Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Hello Ash and others My query is pertaining to transit of mars or saturn through a house with zero points. What could be the implications and could you suggest any remedies for this kind of situations? Thanks. regards, Amitabh. On 7/13/05, ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Krushnaji, > Pranam, > Lol.. Sorry I got one more question. > > Lets assume same example as the last mail. > > Mercury is in 6th hosue with 3 bindus and Guru is in 6th house with 7 > bindus. > > Again points in WS for Mercury is 9 and that of Guru is 20 > > Now here Mercury is NK for 11th house (being 6th lord in Kalpurush > chart) and Guru by virtue of having 7 bindus will assume the role of > Karak for 11th house. > > Now Mercury and Guru become Samdharmi so they work together however > here Mercury has only 9 points in the WS and Guru has 20. > > Also Mercury has only 3 bindus compared to Guru who has 7 bindus. > > So here how will this Mercury act ? > > If you can shed some light it will be good learning. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Dear Amitabh, With no birth chart given, No WS given, I can't be specific. However I can say this that when Sa and Ma which are natural malefics transit a house which has 0 points and this 0 point can be due to any planet in SAV. What does that mean logically ? It means that there is a planet that has 0 power in the house. Lets take a hypothetical example. Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury. i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute points using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in other words making a favourable yog. So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then there will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th house. This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. 6th is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. Now that being said the antra and WS must be read first. Say for the same case the native has very high points in the WS for 11th and 3rd house at the time Sa / Mars transits 9th house with Me having 0 power there then the reading modifies i.e. Based on what u see in WS is that the native will make good income however with Sa/Ma tr over 9th house where Me has 0 power means that it will not be smooth. The environment will not be condusive. IT could mean that the payment might get delayed or say there could be some hold up or delays etc. Now say at the same time Shani and Guru have total power of more than 8 then the person could keep his cool and manage in the mean time. If Shani and Guru points are less than 8 then reading again changed i.e. the person during this transit can easily loose his cool, might get more pessimistic etc. So all things must be read in conjunction. Now your question regarding remedies. I think knowing about this fact itself is a big thing and you can mentally prepare themselves. I hope that answers your question. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , Amitabh Choudhury <amitabh.choudhury@g...> wrote: > Hello Ash and others > > My query is pertaining to transit of mars or saturn through a house > with zero points. > > What could be the implications and could you suggest any remedies for > this kind of situations? > > Thanks. > > regards, > Amitabh. > > > > On 7/13/05, ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, > > Pranam, > > Lol.. Sorry I got one more question. > > > > Lets assume same example as the last mail. > > > > Mercury is in 6th hosue with 3 bindus and Guru is in 6th house with 7 > > bindus. > > > > Again points in WS for Mercury is 9 and that of Guru is 20 > > > > Now here Mercury is NK for 11th house (being 6th lord in Kalpurush > > chart) and Guru by virtue of having 7 bindus will assume the role of > > Karak for 11th house. > > > > Now Mercury and Guru become Samdharmi so they work together however > > here Mercury has only 9 points in the WS and Guru has 20. > > > > Also Mercury has only 3 bindus compared to Guru who has 7 bindus. > > > > So here how will this Mercury act ? > > > > If you can shed some light it will be good learning. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Dear Ash, You are amazing!. Thanks for the effective explanation on Ma/Sa transit on planet with zero house. I have learnt a lot from your emails. Regards Bala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Dear Ash I appreciate the information provided by the hypothetical example. The example certainly did answer the query. Thanks. regards, Amitabh. On 7/15/05, ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Amitabh, > With no birth chart given, No WS given, I can't be specific. > > However I can say this that when Sa and Ma which are natural malefics > transit a house which has 0 points and this 0 point can be due to any > planet in SAV. > > What does that mean logically ? > > It means that there is a planet that has 0 power in the house. > > Lets take a hypothetical example. > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury. > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute points > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in > other words making a favourable yog. > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then there > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th house. > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. 6th > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. > > Now that being said the antra and WS must be read first. Say for the > same case the native has very high points in the WS for 11th and 3rd > house at the time Sa / Mars transits 9th house with Me having 0 power > there then the reading modifies i.e. Based on what u see in WS is > that the native will make good income however with Sa/Ma tr over 9th > house where Me has 0 power means that it will not be smooth. The > environment will not be condusive. IT could mean that the payment > might get delayed or say there could be some hold up or delays etc. > > Now say at the same time Shani and Guru have total power of more than > 8 then the person could keep his cool and manage in the mean time. > > If Shani and Guru points are less than 8 then reading again changed > i.e. the person during this transit can easily loose his cool, might > get more pessimistic etc. > > So all things must be read in conjunction. > > Now your question regarding remedies. I think knowing about this > fact itself is a big thing and you can mentally prepare themselves. > > I hope that answers your question. > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , Amitabh Choudhury > <amitabh.choudhury@g...> wrote: > > Hello Ash and others > > > > My query is pertaining to transit of mars or saturn through a house > > with zero points. > > > > What could be the implications and could you suggest any remedies > for > > this kind of situations? > > > > Thanks. > > > > regards, > > Amitabh. > > > > > > > > On 7/13/05, ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > > Pranam, > > > Lol.. Sorry I got one more question. > > > > > > Lets assume same example as the last mail. > > > > > > Mercury is in 6th hosue with 3 bindus and Guru is in 6th house > with 7 > > > bindus. > > > > > > Again points in WS for Mercury is 9 and that of Guru is 20 > > > > > > Now here Mercury is NK for 11th house (being 6th lord in > Kalpurush > > > chart) and Guru by virtue of having 7 bindus will assume the role > of > > > Karak for 11th house. > > > > > > Now Mercury and Guru become Samdharmi so they work together > however > > > here Mercury has only 9 points in the WS and Guru has 20. > > > > > > Also Mercury has only 3 bindus compared to Guru who has 7 bindus. > > > > > > So here how will this Mercury act ? > > > > > > If you can shed some light it will be good learning. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Dear Ash, That was a very clear explanation regarding the effects of transit. But here can we safely ignore the current antar-dasha? Aren't somehow the Vinshottari-dasha and transits go hand in hand? thanks again shashank , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Amitabh, > With no birth chart given, No WS given, I can't be specific. > > However I can say this that when Sa and Ma which are natural malefics > transit a house which has 0 points and this 0 point can be due to any > planet in SAV. > > What does that mean logically ? > > It means that there is a planet that has 0 power in the house. > > Lets take a hypothetical example. > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury. > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute points > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in > other words making a favourable yog. > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then there > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th house. > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. 6th > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. > > Now that being said the antra and WS must be read first. Say for the > same case the native has very high points in the WS for 11th and 3rd > house at the time Sa / Mars transits 9th house with Me having 0 power > there then the reading modifies i.e. Based on what u see in WS is > that the native will make good income however with Sa/Ma tr over 9th > house where Me has 0 power means that it will not be smooth. The > environment will not be condusive. IT could mean that the payment > might get delayed or say there could be some hold up or delays etc. > > Now say at the same time Shani and Guru have total power of more than > 8 then the person could keep his cool and manage in the mean time. > > If Shani and Guru points are less than 8 then reading again changed > i.e. the person during this transit can easily loose his cool, might > get more pessimistic etc. > > So all things must be read in conjunction. > > Now your question regarding remedies. I think knowing about this > fact itself is a big thing and you can mentally prepare themselves. > > I hope that answers your question. > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , Amitabh Choudhury > <amitabh.choudhury@g...> wrote: > > Hello Ash and others > > > > My query is pertaining to transit of mars or saturn through a house > > with zero points. > > > > What could be the implications and could you suggest any remedies > for > > this kind of situations? > > > > Thanks. > > > > regards, > > Amitabh. > > > > > > > > On 7/13/05, ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > > Pranam, > > > Lol.. Sorry I got one more question. > > > > > > Lets assume same example as the last mail. > > > > > > Mercury is in 6th hosue with 3 bindus and Guru is in 6th house > with 7 > > > bindus. > > > > > > Again points in WS for Mercury is 9 and that of Guru is 20 > > > > > > Now here Mercury is NK for 11th house (being 6th lord in > Kalpurush > > > chart) and Guru by virtue of having 7 bindus will assume the role > of > > > Karak for 11th house. > > > > > > Now Mercury and Guru become Samdharmi so they work together > however > > > here Mercury has only 9 points in the WS and Guru has 20. > > > > > > Also Mercury has only 3 bindus compared to Guru who has 7 bindus. > > > > > > So here how will this Mercury act ? > > > > > > If you can shed some light it will be good learning. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Dear Shashank, Please re-read my mail. I am going to highlight that part in blue. Antra is most important. Timing of events is from antra. Transits show environment. Cheers !!! AshAnon <shashank.deshmukh wrote: Dear Ash,That was a very clear explanation regarding the effects of transit. But here can we safely ignore the current antar-dasha? Aren't somehow the Vinshottari-dasha and transits go hand in hand?thanks againshashank , "ashsam73" wrote:> Dear Amitabh,> With no birth chart given, No WS given, I can't be specific. > > However I can say this that when Sa and Ma which are natural malefics > transit a house which has 0 points and this 0 point can be due to any > planet in SAV.> > What does that mean logically ?> > It means that there is a planet that has 0 power in the house.> > Lets take a hypothetical example.> > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury.> > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute points > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in > other words making a favourable yog.> > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house.> > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then there > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th house. > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. 6th > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house.> > Now that being said the antra and WS must be read first. Say for the > same case the native has very high points in the WS for 11th and 3rd > house at the time Sa / Mars transits 9th house with Me having 0 power > there then the reading modifies i.e. Based on what u see in WS is > that the native will make good income however with Sa/Ma tr over 9th > house where Me has 0 power means that it will not be smooth. The > environment will not be condusive. IT could mean that the payment > might get delayed or say there could be some hold up or delays etc.> > Now say at the same time Shani and Guru have total power of more than > 8 then the person could keep his cool and manage in the mean time. > > If Shani and Guru points are less than 8 then reading again changed > i.e. the person during this transit can easily loose his cool, might > get more pessimistic etc.> > So all things must be read in conjunction.> > Now your question regarding remedies. I think knowing about this > fact itself is a big thing and you can mentally prepare themselves.> > I hope that answers your question.> Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > > > --- In , Amitabh Choudhury > wrote:> > Hello Ash and others> > > > My query is pertaining to transit of mars or saturn through a house> > with zero points.> > > > What could be the implications and could you suggest any remedies > for> > this kind of situations?> > > > Thanks.> > > > regards,> > Amitabh.> > > > > > > > On 7/13/05, ashsam73 wrote:> > > Dear Krushnaji,> > > Pranam,> > > Lol.. Sorry I got one more question.> > > > > > Lets assume same example as the last mail.> > > > > > Mercury is in 6th hosue with 3 bindus and Guru is in 6th house > with 7 > > > bindus.> > > > > > Again points in WS for Mercury is 9 and that of Guru is 20> > > > > > Now here Mercury is NK for 11th house (being 6th lord in > Kalpurush > > > chart) and Guru by virtue of having 7 bindus will assume the role > of > > > Karak for 11th house.> > > > > > Now Mercury and Guru become Samdharmi so they work together > however > > > here Mercury has only 9 points in the WS and Guru has 20.> > > > > > Also Mercury has only 3 bindus compared to Guru who has 7 bindus.> > > > > > So here how will this Mercury act ?> > > > > > If you can shed some light it will be good learning.> > > > > > Thanking you,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groups Links> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Dear Ash, Probably I have some mental blockage, but I didn't see any antra in part of analysis other than the statement " Now that being said the antra and WS must be read first. " Wouldn't the analysis be different for different antra? In fact the WS and samadharmi concepts were very logical but I always had blockage on the antra. Can you please please elaborate on how the antra may affect the analysis? (the events may not take place unless the me antra is running?) thanks shashank , Ash <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Shashank, > Please re-read my mail. I am going to highlight that part in blue. > Antra is most important. Timing of events is from antra. Transits show environment. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > Anon <shashank.deshmukh@m...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > That was a very clear explanation regarding the effects of transit. > But here can we safely ignore the current antar-dasha? Aren't somehow > the Vinshottari-dasha and transits go hand in hand? > > thanks again > shashank > > , " ashsam73 " > wrote: > > Dear Amitabh, > > With no birth chart given, No WS given, I can't be specific. > > > > However I can say this that when Sa and Ma which are natural > malefics > > transit a house which has 0 points and this 0 point can be due to > any > > planet in SAV. > > > > What does that mean logically ? > > > > It means that there is a planet that has 0 power in the house. > > > > Lets take a hypothetical example. > > > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury. > > > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute > points > > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in > > other words making a favourable yog. > > > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. > > > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then there > > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th > house. > > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. > 6th > > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. > > > > Now that being said the antra and WS must be read first. Say for > the > > same case the native has very high points in the WS for 11th and > 3rd > > house at the time Sa / Mars transits 9th house with Me having 0 > power > > there then the reading modifies i.e. Based on what u see in WS is > > that the native will make good income however with Sa/Ma tr over > 9th > > house where Me has 0 power means that it will not be smooth. The > > environment will not be condusive. IT could mean that the payment > > might get delayed or say there could be some hold up or delays etc. > > > > Now say at the same time Shani and Guru have total power of more > than > > 8 then the person could keep his cool and manage in the mean time. > > > > If Shani and Guru points are less than 8 then reading again changed > > i.e. the person during this transit can easily loose his cool, > might > > get more pessimistic etc. > > > > So all things must be read in conjunction. > > > > Now your question regarding remedies. I think knowing about this > > fact itself is a big thing and you can mentally prepare themselves. > > > > I hope that answers your question. > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , Amitabh Choudhury > > wrote: > > > Hello Ash and others > > > > > > My query is pertaining to transit of mars or saturn through a > house > > > with zero points. > > > > > > What could be the implications and could you suggest any remedies > > for > > > this kind of situations? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > regards, > > > Amitabh. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/13/05, ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > > > Pranam, > > > > Lol.. Sorry I got one more question. > > > > > > > > Lets assume same example as the last mail. > > > > > > > > Mercury is in 6th hosue with 3 bindus and Guru is in 6th house > > with 7 > > > > bindus. > > > > > > > > Again points in WS for Mercury is 9 and that of Guru is 20 > > > > > > > > Now here Mercury is NK for 11th house (being 6th lord in > > Kalpurush > > > > chart) and Guru by virtue of having 7 bindus will assume the > role > > of > > > > Karak for 11th house. > > > > > > > > Now Mercury and Guru become Samdharmi so they work together > > however > > > > here Mercury has only 9 points in the WS and Guru has 20. > > > > > > > > Also Mercury has only 3 bindus compared to Guru who has 7 > bindus. > > > > > > > > So here how will this Mercury act ? > > > > > > > > If you can shed some light it will be good learning. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Dear Ash, Please ignore the previous message. As I'm going through the earlier messages, things are becoming clearer. thanks again shashank , " Anon " <shashank.deshmukh@m...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Probably I have some mental blockage, but I didn't see any antra in > part of analysis other than the statement " Now that being said the > antra and WS must be read first. " > > Wouldn't the analysis be different for different antra? > > In fact the WS and samadharmi concepts were very logical but I always > had blockage on the antra. Can you please please elaborate on how the > antra may affect the analysis? (the events may not take place unless > the me antra is running?) > > thanks > shashank > > > , Ash <ashsam73> > wrote: > > Dear Shashank, > > Please re-read my mail. I am going to highlight that part in blue. > > Antra is most important. Timing of events is from antra. Transits > show environment. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > Anon <shashank.deshmukh@m...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > That was a very clear explanation regarding the effects of transit. > > But here can we safely ignore the current antar-dasha? Aren't somehow > > the Vinshottari-dasha and transits go hand in hand? > > > > thanks again > > shashank > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > wrote: > > > Dear Amitabh, > > > With no birth chart given, No WS given, I can't be specific. > > > > > > However I can say this that when Sa and Ma which are natural > > malefics > > > transit a house which has 0 points and this 0 point can be due to > > any > > > planet in SAV. > > > > > > What does that mean logically ? > > > > > > It means that there is a planet that has 0 power in the house. > > > > > > Lets take a hypothetical example. > > > > > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury. > > > > > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute > > points > > > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in > > > other words making a favourable yog. > > > > > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. > > > > > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then there > > > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th > > house. > > > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. > > 6th > > > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. > > > > > > Now that being said the antra and WS must be read first. Say for > > the > > > same case the native has very high points in the WS for 11th and > > 3rd > > > house at the time Sa / Mars transits 9th house with Me having 0 > > power > > > there then the reading modifies i.e. Based on what u see in WS is > > > that the native will make good income however with Sa/Ma tr over > > 9th > > > house where Me has 0 power means that it will not be smooth. The > > > environment will not be condusive. IT could mean that the payment > > > might get delayed or say there could be some hold up or delays etc. > > > > > > Now say at the same time Shani and Guru have total power of more > > than > > > 8 then the person could keep his cool and manage in the mean time. > > > > > > If Shani and Guru points are less than 8 then reading again changed > > > i.e. the person during this transit can easily loose his cool, > > might > > > get more pessimistic etc. > > > > > > So all things must be read in conjunction. > > > > > > Now your question regarding remedies. I think knowing about this > > > fact itself is a big thing and you can mentally prepare themselves. > > > > > > I hope that answers your question. > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Amitabh Choudhury > > > wrote: > > > > Hello Ash and others > > > > > > > > My query is pertaining to transit of mars or saturn through a > > house > > > > with zero points. > > > > > > > > What could be the implications and could you suggest any remedies > > > for > > > > this kind of situations? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Amitabh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/13/05, ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > Lol.. Sorry I got one more question. > > > > > > > > > > Lets assume same example as the last mail. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is in 6th hosue with 3 bindus and Guru is in 6th house > > > with 7 > > > > > bindus. > > > > > > > > > > Again points in WS for Mercury is 9 and that of Guru is 20 > > > > > > > > > > Now here Mercury is NK for 11th house (being 6th lord in > > > Kalpurush > > > > > chart) and Guru by virtue of having 7 bindus will assume the > > role > > > of > > > > > Karak for 11th house. > > > > > > > > > > Now Mercury and Guru become Samdharmi so they work together > > > however > > > > > here Mercury has only 9 points in the WS and Guru has 20. > > > > > > > > > > Also Mercury has only 3 bindus compared to Guru who has 7 > > bindus. > > > > > > > > > > So here how will this Mercury act ? > > > > > > > > > > If you can shed some light it will be good learning. > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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