Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Dear Ash, I have seen it discussed on the list many times that Sun-Ve distance > 43 deg is a cause for delayed marriage (or spoiled?), and that it causes increased qualities of venus. Does this mean that the person has extramarital affairs or that they have increased sexual drive? How do you make the distinction that there will be an extramarital affairs vs. having more requirements for those matters? In one case, which I don't have the full data yet..but for arguments sake take August 15, 1980..with Venus is in Ardra (spoiled?), Sun/Ve > 43 deg, & Ve aspected by saturn..would not all people born around this span of time then have that problem? Thanks, Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Dear Ben and group members, You have asked a very good and interesting question. I do not have much time but I shall have a bit later on. However cast this chart out. This I have just picked up from another list. This is a ladys chart and she was asking is her marriage finished or there is some hope. She says she has an adjusting nature. Here is the data 11th March 1980 06:50 AM 25N25 86E08 India. Check the following. 1) Venus to Sun distance 2) Venus aspected by Sa (in navamsa) 3) Sa aspects luminiary in navamsa. 4) Antra of 2nd lord running. 5) Mars transitting 2nd house with 0 points in aries and will be there for a few months. 6) Ju aspects Venus with malefic dristi. 7) 2 sectors of lagna/sun/moon falling in Guru's sign in nav/drekk/trishansa. She said she was recently married - Exact date not given. See the WS and see the upcoming antras. I will try to answer your query later on. Cheers !!! Ash , " b_vellani " <b_vellani> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > I have seen it discussed on the list many times that Sun-Ve distance > > 43 deg is a cause for delayed marriage (or spoiled?), and that it > causes increased qualities of venus. Does this mean that the person > has extramarital affairs or that they have increased sexual drive? How > do you make the distinction that there will be an extramarital affairs > vs. having more requirements for those matters? > > In one case, which I don't have the full data yet..but for arguments > sake take August 15, 1980..with Venus is in Ardra (spoiled?), Sun/Ve > > 43 deg, & Ve aspected by saturn..would not all people born around this > span of time then have that problem? > > Thanks, > Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Dear Group, The antra of 2nd lord is not running its that of Mercury. What I meant was the Ketu antra would be next and that is SD to Mars and Sa. Mars is 2nd lord. My appologies. Here is the degree of planets and the WS. As 14 Pi 10 Su 27 Aq 57 Mo 10 Sg 48 MaR 7 Le 35 MeR 18 Aq 28 JuR 10 Le 39 Ve 12 Ar 6 SaR 1 Vi 12 Ra 5 Le 30 Ke 5 Aq 30 Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 1 25 22 14 20 22 28 6 18 2 25 9 5 19 20 14 6 27 3 32 8 8 17 5 12 10 32 4 36 19 6 18 23 23 9 28 5 28 15 19 27 18 19 19 29 6 24 11 5 21 17 14 10 20 7 24 11 4 13 17 10 7 24 8 25 20 18 15 18 20 3 24 9 26 16 (3) 34 14 28 6 34 10 36 4 6 16 14 0 18 22 11 29 10 7 14 21 21 10 25 12 27 13 12 27 12 14 2 24 Cheers !!! Ash , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Ben and group members, > > You have asked a very good and interesting question. I do not have > much time but I shall have a bit later on. > > However cast this chart out. This I have just picked up from another > list. This is a ladys chart and she was asking is her marriage > finished or there is some hope. > > She says she has an adjusting nature. > > Here is the data > > 11th March 1980 > 06:50 AM > 25N25 > 86E08 > India. > > Check the following. > > 1) Venus to Sun distance > 2) Venus aspected by Sa (in navamsa) > 3) Sa aspects luminiary in navamsa. > 4) Antra of 2nd lord running. > 5) Mars transitting 2nd house with 0 points in aries and will be > there for a few months. > 6) Ju aspects Venus with malefic dristi. > 7) 2 sectors of lagna/sun/moon falling in Guru's sign in > nav/drekk/trishansa. > > She said she was recently married - Exact date not given. > > See the WS and see the upcoming antras. > > I will try to answer your query later on. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " b_vellani " > <b_vellani> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > I have seen it discussed on the list many times that Sun-Ve > distance > > > 43 deg is a cause for delayed marriage (or spoiled?), and that it > > causes increased qualities of venus. Does this mean that the person > > has extramarital affairs or that they have increased sexual drive? > How > > do you make the distinction that there will be an extramarital > affairs > > vs. having more requirements for those matters? > > > > In one case, which I don't have the full data yet..but for > arguments > > sake take August 15, 1980..with Venus is in Ardra (spoiled?), > Sun/Ve > > > 43 deg, & Ve aspected by saturn..would not all people born around > this > > span of time then have that problem? > > > > Thanks, > > Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Dear Ben, In your hypothecial case, of 15th August 1980, Guru is in libra too in navamsa. I yanked in time from 0:00 AM to 23:59 PM. Position of Ju does not change in Navamsa. Cheers !!! Ash , " b_vellani " <b_vellani> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > I have seen it discussed on the list many times that Sun-Ve distance > > 43 deg is a cause for delayed marriage (or spoiled?), and that it > causes increased qualities of venus. Does this mean that the person > has extramarital affairs or that they have increased sexual drive? How > do you make the distinction that there will be an extramarital affairs > vs. having more requirements for those matters? > > In one case, which I don't have the full data yet..but for arguments > sake take August 15, 1980..with Venus is in Ardra (spoiled?), Sun/Ve > > 43 deg, & Ve aspected by saturn..would not all people born around this > span of time then have that problem? > > Thanks, > Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Dear Ben, Venus as we know is a very sensitive planet. Its status has to be checked very closely. Take Kal purush chart and in that Venus rules 2nd and 7th house. Venus is said to be the Karak for Wife and its the Karak for pleasures. Looking at that from KAS view point, Venus is 2nd lord and 2nd is A for 7th house so its called Karak for spouse and Ve rules libra which is natural 7th lord and 7th is A for 12th and 12th house is that of pleasures and desires. Venus is also the planet or arts, romance, love etc. If you also observe carefully and if u refer to the BAV table of Venus, you will notice that Venus does not like any planet in 7th from it. It likes to have 7th house from it free. All planets have 7th aspect. So no planets makes a good yog with Venus when they are in 7th from it or in other words, if any planet is in 7th from Venus, Venus can never get full 8 bindus. Venus being very sensitive gets spoilt by Sun. Venus gets spoilt when its in nakshtra of Sun and WORST when its in Krittika. Venus also gets spoilt when its too close to Sun i.e. less than 3deg20 to be exact which is the length of 1 navamsa. So when Venus and Sun are very close i.e. less than 3deg20 and if u find them also in the same navamsa then Venus's qualities are spoilt. Similarly Venus when its between 3deg20 to 43deg20 from Sun its under check of Sun and it will not misbehave. After Venus gets out of 43deg20 from Sun then Sun (like a father) cant keep this Venus under check and the qualities of Venus gets enhanced as its out of control. Now Shani is important. Shani if it aspects Venus then it will enhance the BAD qualties of Venus. Now just think, if Venus is beyond 43deg20 so its out of control from Sun and then its having aspect of Shani then it will start to act in ways that maybe not acceptable in society. Now if Shani also aspects a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa then this will totally spoil Venus. Venus also gets spoilt in Aadra and Moola. In Jayeshta if not aspected by Guru it can give multiple relations. Now this is the status of Venus. So a spoilt Venus affects the karaktwa. As per KAS and our laws we FIRST study the Karak, which is Both natural and functional. If Karak if totally destroyed then results of B cannot take place. For example for natural child birth if 12th house (A for 5th house) is non existant as an example say if husband and wife are in different cities then how can child birth be there i.e 5th house as B? Now apply the same, Ve is karak for 7th and 12th. If a person just wants to enjoy too much (12th) and does not want to get tied down then it may delay or deny marriage as an the extreme case. Similarly when Venus is too close to Sun then the person himself might not be interested in pleasures or might not want to marry as his desires or say feelings for love and arts etc might not be there or non existant. You can imagine say if Venus is in krittika and say distance of Venus from Sun is greater than 43deg20 and say Mars is in 10th place from such a spoilt Venus with less than 4 bindus and this Venus has more than 4 bindus and at the same time Sa aspects this Venus and to add to this combo assume Ju is in libra and in first 3deg20. Take a guess will this married life be happy ? Even Ju is in libra for 1 year and even there is a nakshtra of Guru in libra too still Guru is spoilt. So many charts we have done with Guru in libra that have some problem or the other in marriage. Makes u think that how is this possible but I leave this to your research that when u come across charts and if u find Guru in libra then study that chart and come to a conclusion for yourself. If you see the website of Donna, Sandy Crawther has done a very nice analysis of so many charts with these combos. Its in the FAQ setion. This was a very painstaking effort that Sandy put in. Ok, me out of time now... Cheers !!! Ash , " b_vellani " <b_vellani> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > I have seen it discussed on the list many times that Sun-Ve distance > > 43 deg is a cause for delayed marriage (or spoiled?), and that it > causes increased qualities of venus. Does this mean that the person > has extramarital affairs or that they have increased sexual drive? How > do you make the distinction that there will be an extramarital affairs > vs. having more requirements for those matters? > > In one case, which I don't have the full data yet..but for arguments > sake take August 15, 1980..with Venus is in Ardra (spoiled?), Sun/Ve > > 43 deg, & Ve aspected by saturn..would not all people born around this > span of time then have that problem? > > Thanks, > Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Dear Ash, Thanks for the detailed explanation. I wish I had the details of that person but the only fact known was that they were born in 1980 and had Virgo Sun sign (by western astrology). Usually as a thumb rule, I minus one Sun sign and look at basic planetary positions in that case, but can't go in any detail since moon sign or lagna etc is not known. still, it is evident that we can estimate some things universally as was the hypotheical case. (actually I didn't notice Ju in Libra! yes I see now that does further " worsen " the persons marriage prospects) But one part which I was hoping to get clarified on was muliple relations/marriages vs. extramarital affairs. Usually in both cases some duality is present but how do you clearly make that distinction? Is there a time per the worksheet that this gets enhanced? And would you say that a planet aspecting 12th house (and not LOE or LOD) in its sub would not allow such things? Thanks, Ben , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Ben, > > Venus as we know is a very sensitive planet. Its status has to be > checked very closely. > > Take Kal purush chart and in that Venus rules 2nd and 7th house. > Venus is said to be the Karak for Wife and its the Karak for > pleasures. > > Looking at that from KAS view point, Venus is 2nd lord and 2nd is A > for 7th house so its called Karak for spouse and Ve rules libra which > is natural 7th lord and 7th is A for 12th and 12th house is that of > pleasures and desires. > > Venus is also the planet or arts, romance, love etc. > > If you also observe carefully and if u refer to the BAV table of > Venus, you will notice that Venus does not like any planet in 7th > from it. It likes to have 7th house from it free. All planets have > 7th aspect. So no planets makes a good yog with Venus when they are > in 7th from it or in other words, if any planet is in 7th from Venus, > Venus can never get full 8 bindus. > > Venus being very sensitive gets spoilt by Sun. Venus gets spoilt > when its in nakshtra of Sun and WORST when its in Krittika. Venus > also gets spoilt when its too close to Sun i.e. less than 3deg20 to > be exact which is the length of 1 navamsa. So when Venus and Sun are > very close i.e. less than 3deg20 and if u find them also in the same > navamsa then Venus's qualities are spoilt. > > Similarly Venus when its between 3deg20 to 43deg20 from Sun its under > check of Sun and it will not misbehave. > > After Venus gets out of 43deg20 from Sun then Sun (like a father) > cant keep this Venus under check and the qualities of Venus gets > enhanced as its out of control. > > Now Shani is important. Shani if it aspects Venus then it will > enhance the BAD qualties of Venus. > > Now just think, if Venus is beyond 43deg20 so its out of control from > Sun and then its having aspect of Shani then it will start to act in > ways that maybe not acceptable in society. > > Now if Shani also aspects a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa then this > will totally spoil Venus. > > Venus also gets spoilt in Aadra and Moola. In Jayeshta if not > aspected by Guru it can give multiple relations. > > Now this is the status of Venus. So a spoilt Venus affects the > karaktwa. As per KAS and our laws we FIRST study the Karak, which is > Both natural and functional. If Karak if totally destroyed then > results of B cannot take place. > > For example for natural child birth if 12th house (A for 5th house) > is non existant as an example say if husband and wife are in > different cities then how can child birth be there i.e 5th house as B? > > Now apply the same, Ve is karak for 7th and 12th. If a person just > wants to enjoy too much (12th) and does not want to get tied down > then it may delay or deny marriage as an the extreme case. > > Similarly when Venus is too close to Sun then the person himself > might not be interested in pleasures or might not want to marry as > his desires or say feelings for love and arts etc might not be there > or non existant. > > > You can imagine say if Venus is in krittika and say distance of Venus > from Sun is greater than 43deg20 and say Mars is in 10th place from > such a spoilt Venus with less than 4 bindus and this Venus has more > than 4 bindus and at the same time Sa aspects this Venus and to add > to this combo assume Ju is in libra and in first 3deg20. Take a > guess will this married life be happy ? > > Even Ju is in libra for 1 year and even there is a nakshtra of Guru > in libra too still Guru is spoilt. So many charts we have done with > Guru in libra that have some problem or the other in marriage. Makes > u think that how is this possible but I leave this to your research > that when u come across charts and if u find Guru in libra then study > that chart and come to a conclusion for yourself. > > If you see the website of Donna, Sandy Crawther has done a very nice > analysis of so many charts with these combos. Its in the FAQ > setion. This was a very painstaking effort that Sandy put in. > > Ok, me out of time now... > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " b_vellani " > <b_vellani> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > I have seen it discussed on the list many times that Sun-Ve > distance > > > 43 deg is a cause for delayed marriage (or spoiled?), and that it > > causes increased qualities of venus. Does this mean that the person > > has extramarital affairs or that they have increased sexual drive? > How > > do you make the distinction that there will be an extramarital > affairs > > vs. having more requirements for those matters? > > > > In one case, which I don't have the full data yet..but for > arguments > > sake take August 15, 1980..with Venus is in Ardra (spoiled?), > Sun/Ve > > > 43 deg, & Ve aspected by saturn..would not all people born around > this > > span of time then have that problem? > > > > Thanks, > > Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Dear Ben, Without full chart nothing can be said. If you study lesson 1 keenly you will see that without lagna we cant know the planets positions w.r.t lagna and thereby we cant cast the SAV. In any case I have give a chart which is a concrete chart posted on another list asking about her marriage and problems in marriage. That should give u some leads. Cheers !!! Ash , " b_vellani " <b_vellani> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for the detailed explanation. > I wish I had the details of that person but the only fact known was > that they were born in 1980 and had Virgo Sun sign (by western > astrology). Usually as a thumb rule, I minus one Sun sign and look > at basic planetary positions in that case, but can't go in any > detail since moon sign or lagna etc is not known. still, it is > evident that we can estimate some things universally as was the > hypotheical case. (actually I didn't notice Ju in Libra! yes I see > now that does further " worsen " the persons marriage prospects) > > But one part which I was hoping to get clarified on was muliple > relations/marriages vs. extramarital affairs. Usually in both cases > some duality is present but how do you clearly make that distinction? > > Is there a time per the worksheet that this gets enhanced? And > would you say that a planet aspecting 12th house (and not LOE or > LOD) in its sub would not allow such things? > > > Thanks, > Ben > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Ben, > > > > Venus as we know is a very sensitive planet. Its status has to be > > checked very closely. > > > > Take Kal purush chart and in that Venus rules 2nd and 7th house. > > Venus is said to be the Karak for Wife and its the Karak for > > pleasures. > > > > Looking at that from KAS view point, Venus is 2nd lord and 2nd is > A > > for 7th house so its called Karak for spouse and Ve rules libra > which > > is natural 7th lord and 7th is A for 12th and 12th house is that > of > > pleasures and desires. > > > > Venus is also the planet or arts, romance, love etc. > > > > If you also observe carefully and if u refer to the BAV table of > > Venus, you will notice that Venus does not like any planet in 7th > > from it. It likes to have 7th house from it free. All planets > have > > 7th aspect. So no planets makes a good yog with Venus when they > are > > in 7th from it or in other words, if any planet is in 7th from > Venus, > > Venus can never get full 8 bindus. > > > > Venus being very sensitive gets spoilt by Sun. Venus gets spoilt > > when its in nakshtra of Sun and WORST when its in Krittika. Venus > > also gets spoilt when its too close to Sun i.e. less than 3deg20 > to > > be exact which is the length of 1 navamsa. So when Venus and Sun > are > > very close i.e. less than 3deg20 and if u find them also in the > same > > navamsa then Venus's qualities are spoilt. > > > > Similarly Venus when its between 3deg20 to 43deg20 from Sun its > under > > check of Sun and it will not misbehave. > > > > After Venus gets out of 43deg20 from Sun then Sun (like a father) > > cant keep this Venus under check and the qualities of Venus gets > > enhanced as its out of control. > > > > Now Shani is important. Shani if it aspects Venus then it will > > enhance the BAD qualties of Venus. > > > > Now just think, if Venus is beyond 43deg20 so its out of control > from > > Sun and then its having aspect of Shani then it will start to act > in > > ways that maybe not acceptable in society. > > > > Now if Shani also aspects a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa then this > > will totally spoil Venus. > > > > Venus also gets spoilt in Aadra and Moola. In Jayeshta if not > > aspected by Guru it can give multiple relations. > > > > Now this is the status of Venus. So a spoilt Venus affects the > > karaktwa. As per KAS and our laws we FIRST study the Karak, which > is > > Both natural and functional. If Karak if totally destroyed then > > results of B cannot take place. > > > > For example for natural child birth if 12th house (A for 5th > house) > > is non existant as an example say if husband and wife are in > > different cities then how can child birth be there i.e 5th house > as B? > > > > Now apply the same, Ve is karak for 7th and 12th. If a person > just > > wants to enjoy too much (12th) and does not want to get tied down > > then it may delay or deny marriage as an the extreme case. > > > > Similarly when Venus is too close to Sun then the person himself > > might not be interested in pleasures or might not want to marry as > > his desires or say feelings for love and arts etc might not be > there > > or non existant. > > > > > > You can imagine say if Venus is in krittika and say distance of > Venus > > from Sun is greater than 43deg20 and say Mars is in 10th place > from > > such a spoilt Venus with less than 4 bindus and this Venus has > more > > than 4 bindus and at the same time Sa aspects this Venus and to > add > > to this combo assume Ju is in libra and in first 3deg20. Take a > > guess will this married life be happy ? > > > > Even Ju is in libra for 1 year and even there is a nakshtra of > Guru > > in libra too still Guru is spoilt. So many charts we have done > with > > Guru in libra that have some problem or the other in marriage. > Makes > > u think that how is this possible but I leave this to your > research > > that when u come across charts and if u find Guru in libra then > study > > that chart and come to a conclusion for yourself. > > > > If you see the website of Donna, Sandy Crawther has done a very > nice > > analysis of so many charts with these combos. Its in the FAQ > > setion. This was a very painstaking effort that Sandy put in. > > > > Ok, me out of time now... > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , " b_vellani " > > <b_vellani> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I have seen it discussed on the list many times that Sun-Ve > > distance > > > > 43 deg is a cause for delayed marriage (or spoiled?), and that > it > > > causes increased qualities of venus. Does this mean that the > person > > > has extramarital affairs or that they have increased sexual > drive? > > How > > > do you make the distinction that there will be an extramarital > > affairs > > > vs. having more requirements for those matters? > > > > > > In one case, which I don't have the full data yet..but for > > arguments > > > sake take August 15, 1980..with Venus is in Ardra (spoiled?), > > Sun/Ve > > > > 43 deg, & Ve aspected by saturn..would not all people born > around > > this > > > span of time then have that problem? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Dear Ben and Group, I had give a post on Venus yesterday. I just came across this other chart on a list about a man asking about his sister. He is saying that his sister did not married and is not finding any growth in her career that suites her ability. No past events are given. The data given is 26th Sept 1958, 6:00 AM, 8N44, 77E43, India. Please note a) Guru in libra and Guru is 2nd and 4th lord and placed in karak sthan. b) Ma, Mo, Ju, Me are all SD to Sa. c) Zero in karak sthan due to Mars d) Ma and Ra have influence on 11th lord Moon. e) Sa in 10th place from moon in 6th house controlling it. f) Ma in 10th place from Venus controllig it. g) DBCE points rising from lagna and Sun. Cheers !!! Ash , " b_vellani " <b_vellani> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for the detailed explanation. > I wish I had the details of that person but the only fact known was > that they were born in 1980 and had Virgo Sun sign (by western > astrology). Usually as a thumb rule, I minus one Sun sign and look > at basic planetary positions in that case, but can't go in any > detail since moon sign or lagna etc is not known. still, it is > evident that we can estimate some things universally as was the > hypotheical case. (actually I didn't notice Ju in Libra! yes I see > now that does further " worsen " the persons marriage prospects) > > But one part which I was hoping to get clarified on was muliple > relations/marriages vs. extramarital affairs. Usually in both cases > some duality is present but how do you clearly make that distinction? > > Is there a time per the worksheet that this gets enhanced? And > would you say that a planet aspecting 12th house (and not LOE or > LOD) in its sub would not allow such things? > > > Thanks, > Ben > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Ben, > > > > Venus as we know is a very sensitive planet. Its status has to be > > checked very closely. > > > > Take Kal purush chart and in that Venus rules 2nd and 7th house. > > Venus is said to be the Karak for Wife and its the Karak for > > pleasures. > > > > Looking at that from KAS view point, Venus is 2nd lord and 2nd is > A > > for 7th house so its called Karak for spouse and Ve rules libra > which > > is natural 7th lord and 7th is A for 12th and 12th house is that > of > > pleasures and desires. > > > > Venus is also the planet or arts, romance, love etc. > > > > If you also observe carefully and if u refer to the BAV table of > > Venus, you will notice that Venus does not like any planet in 7th > > from it. It likes to have 7th house from it free. All planets > have > > 7th aspect. So no planets makes a good yog with Venus when they > are > > in 7th from it or in other words, if any planet is in 7th from > Venus, > > Venus can never get full 8 bindus. > > > > Venus being very sensitive gets spoilt by Sun. Venus gets spoilt > > when its in nakshtra of Sun and WORST when its in Krittika. Venus > > also gets spoilt when its too close to Sun i.e. less than 3deg20 > to > > be exact which is the length of 1 navamsa. So when Venus and Sun > are > > very close i.e. less than 3deg20 and if u find them also in the > same > > navamsa then Venus's qualities are spoilt. > > > > Similarly Venus when its between 3deg20 to 43deg20 from Sun its > under > > check of Sun and it will not misbehave. > > > > After Venus gets out of 43deg20 from Sun then Sun (like a father) > > cant keep this Venus under check and the qualities of Venus gets > > enhanced as its out of control. > > > > Now Shani is important. Shani if it aspects Venus then it will > > enhance the BAD qualties of Venus. > > > > Now just think, if Venus is beyond 43deg20 so its out of control > from > > Sun and then its having aspect of Shani then it will start to act > in > > ways that maybe not acceptable in society. > > > > Now if Shani also aspects a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa then this > > will totally spoil Venus. > > > > Venus also gets spoilt in Aadra and Moola. In Jayeshta if not > > aspected by Guru it can give multiple relations. > > > > Now this is the status of Venus. So a spoilt Venus affects the > > karaktwa. As per KAS and our laws we FIRST study the Karak, which > is > > Both natural and functional. If Karak if totally destroyed then > > results of B cannot take place. > > > > For example for natural child birth if 12th house (A for 5th > house) > > is non existant as an example say if husband and wife are in > > different cities then how can child birth be there i.e 5th house > as B? > > > > Now apply the same, Ve is karak for 7th and 12th. If a person > just > > wants to enjoy too much (12th) and does not want to get tied down > > then it may delay or deny marriage as an the extreme case. > > > > Similarly when Venus is too close to Sun then the person himself > > might not be interested in pleasures or might not want to marry as > > his desires or say feelings for love and arts etc might not be > there > > or non existant. > > > > > > You can imagine say if Venus is in krittika and say distance of > Venus > > from Sun is greater than 43deg20 and say Mars is in 10th place > from > > such a spoilt Venus with less than 4 bindus and this Venus has > more > > than 4 bindus and at the same time Sa aspects this Venus and to > add > > to this combo assume Ju is in libra and in first 3deg20. Take a > > guess will this married life be happy ? > > > > Even Ju is in libra for 1 year and even there is a nakshtra of > Guru > > in libra too still Guru is spoilt. So many charts we have done > with > > Guru in libra that have some problem or the other in marriage. > Makes > > u think that how is this possible but I leave this to your > research > > that when u come across charts and if u find Guru in libra then > study > > that chart and come to a conclusion for yourself. > > > > If you see the website of Donna, Sandy Crawther has done a very > nice > > analysis of so many charts with these combos. Its in the FAQ > > setion. This was a very painstaking effort that Sandy put in. > > > > Ok, me out of time now... > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , " b_vellani " > > <b_vellani> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I have seen it discussed on the list many times that Sun-Ve > > distance > > > > 43 deg is a cause for delayed marriage (or spoiled?), and that > it > > > causes increased qualities of venus. Does this mean that the > person > > > has extramarital affairs or that they have increased sexual > drive? > > How > > > do you make the distinction that there will be an extramarital > > affairs > > > vs. having more requirements for those matters? > > > > > > In one case, which I don't have the full data yet..but for > > arguments > > > sake take August 15, 1980..with Venus is in Ardra (spoiled?), > > Sun/Ve > > > > 43 deg, & Ve aspected by saturn..would not all people born > around > > this > > > span of time then have that problem? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Dear Group, Please read .. Guru is 4th and 7th lord palce in Karak sthan. And I forgot to add h) Venus is in nakshatra of sun. Here are the degree of planets and the WS poitns. As 7 Vi 7 Su 10 Vi 2 Mo 19 Aq 16 Ma 8 Ta 41 Me 2 Vi 15 Ju 11 Li 11 Ve 28 Le 3 Sa 27 Sc 35 Ra 0 Li 48 Ke 0 Ar 48 Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 1 29 7 13 29 16 7 23 44 2 18 11 15 27 13 20 26 30 3 27 25 8 31 8 8 19 29 4 28 13 9 31 23 9 21 29 5 25 12 (3) 35 20 14 27 40 6 32 14 13 31 16 1 19 33 7 27 21 13 24 5 20 15 31 8 25 12 2 40 24 4 20 39 9 26 11 8 27 17 23 20 30 10 35 10 12 20 10 22 21 33 11 40 17 16 48 15 15 21 33 12 25 19 (2) 38 9 15 24 27 Cheers !!! Ash , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Ben and Group, > I had give a post on Venus yesterday. > I just came across this other chart on a list about a man asking > about his sister. > > He is saying that his sister did not married and is not finding any > growth in her career that suites her ability. > > No past events are given. > > The data given is > > 26th Sept 1958, 6:00 AM, 8N44, 77E43, India. > > Please note > > a) Guru in libra and Guru is 2nd and 4th lord and placed in karak > sthan. > b) Ma, Mo, Ju, Me are all SD to Sa. > c) Zero in karak sthan due to Mars > d) Ma and Ra have influence on 11th lord Moon. > e) Sa in 10th place from moon in 6th house controlling it. > f) Ma in 10th place from Venus controllig it. > g) DBCE points rising from lagna and Sun. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > , " b_vellani " > <b_vellani> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thanks for the detailed explanation. > > I wish I had the details of that person but the only fact known was > > that they were born in 1980 and had Virgo Sun sign (by western > > astrology). Usually as a thumb rule, I minus one Sun sign and look > > at basic planetary positions in that case, but can't go in any > > detail since moon sign or lagna etc is not known. still, it is > > evident that we can estimate some things universally as was the > > hypotheical case. (actually I didn't notice Ju in Libra! yes I see > > now that does further " worsen " the persons marriage prospects) > > > > But one part which I was hoping to get clarified on was muliple > > relations/marriages vs. extramarital affairs. Usually in both cases > > some duality is present but how do you clearly make that > distinction? > > > > Is there a time per the worksheet that this gets enhanced? And > > would you say that a planet aspecting 12th house (and not LOE or > > LOD) in its sub would not allow such things? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Ben, > > > > > > Venus as we know is a very sensitive planet. Its status has to > be > > > checked very closely. > > > > > > Take Kal purush chart and in that Venus rules 2nd and 7th house. > > > Venus is said to be the Karak for Wife and its the Karak for > > > pleasures. > > > > > > Looking at that from KAS view point, Venus is 2nd lord and 2nd is > > A > > > for 7th house so its called Karak for spouse and Ve rules libra > > which > > > is natural 7th lord and 7th is A for 12th and 12th house is that > > of > > > pleasures and desires. > > > > > > Venus is also the planet or arts, romance, love etc. > > > > > > If you also observe carefully and if u refer to the BAV table of > > > Venus, you will notice that Venus does not like any planet in 7th > > > from it. It likes to have 7th house from it free. All planets > > have > > > 7th aspect. So no planets makes a good yog with Venus when they > > are > > > in 7th from it or in other words, if any planet is in 7th from > > Venus, > > > Venus can never get full 8 bindus. > > > > > > Venus being very sensitive gets spoilt by Sun. Venus gets spoilt > > > when its in nakshtra of Sun and WORST when its in Krittika. > Venus > > > also gets spoilt when its too close to Sun i.e. less than 3deg20 > > to > > > be exact which is the length of 1 navamsa. So when Venus and Sun > > are > > > very close i.e. less than 3deg20 and if u find them also in the > > same > > > navamsa then Venus's qualities are spoilt. > > > > > > Similarly Venus when its between 3deg20 to 43deg20 from Sun its > > under > > > check of Sun and it will not misbehave. > > > > > > After Venus gets out of 43deg20 from Sun then Sun (like a father) > > > cant keep this Venus under check and the qualities of Venus gets > > > enhanced as its out of control. > > > > > > Now Shani is important. Shani if it aspects Venus then it will > > > enhance the BAD qualties of Venus. > > > > > > Now just think, if Venus is beyond 43deg20 so its out of control > > from > > > Sun and then its having aspect of Shani then it will start to act > > in > > > ways that maybe not acceptable in society. > > > > > > Now if Shani also aspects a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa then > this > > > will totally spoil Venus. > > > > > > Venus also gets spoilt in Aadra and Moola. In Jayeshta if not > > > aspected by Guru it can give multiple relations. > > > > > > Now this is the status of Venus. So a spoilt Venus affects the > > > karaktwa. As per KAS and our laws we FIRST study the Karak, > which > > is > > > Both natural and functional. If Karak if totally destroyed then > > > results of B cannot take place. > > > > > > For example for natural child birth if 12th house (A for 5th > > house) > > > is non existant as an example say if husband and wife are in > > > different cities then how can child birth be there i.e 5th house > > as B? > > > > > > Now apply the same, Ve is karak for 7th and 12th. If a person > > just > > > wants to enjoy too much (12th) and does not want to get tied down > > > then it may delay or deny marriage as an the extreme case. > > > > > > Similarly when Venus is too close to Sun then the person himself > > > might not be interested in pleasures or might not want to marry > as > > > his desires or say feelings for love and arts etc might not be > > there > > > or non existant. > > > > > > > > > You can imagine say if Venus is in krittika and say distance of > > Venus > > > from Sun is greater than 43deg20 and say Mars is in 10th place > > from > > > such a spoilt Venus with less than 4 bindus and this Venus has > > more > > > than 4 bindus and at the same time Sa aspects this Venus and to > > add > > > to this combo assume Ju is in libra and in first 3deg20. Take a > > > guess will this married life be happy ? > > > > > > Even Ju is in libra for 1 year and even there is a nakshtra of > > Guru > > > in libra too still Guru is spoilt. So many charts we have done > > with > > > Guru in libra that have some problem or the other in marriage. > > Makes > > > u think that how is this possible but I leave this to your > > research > > > that when u come across charts and if u find Guru in libra then > > study > > > that chart and come to a conclusion for yourself. > > > > > > If you see the website of Donna, Sandy Crawther has done a very > > nice > > > analysis of so many charts with these combos. Its in the FAQ > > > setion. This was a very painstaking effort that Sandy put in. > > > > > > Ok, me out of time now... > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , " b_vellani " > > > <b_vellani> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I have seen it discussed on the list many times that Sun-Ve > > > distance > > > > > 43 deg is a cause for delayed marriage (or spoiled?), and that > > it > > > > causes increased qualities of venus. Does this mean that the > > person > > > > has extramarital affairs or that they have increased sexual > > drive? > > > How > > > > do you make the distinction that there will be an extramarital > > > affairs > > > > vs. having more requirements for those matters? > > > > > > > > In one case, which I don't have the full data yet..but for > > > arguments > > > > sake take August 15, 1980..with Venus is in Ardra (spoiled?), > > > Sun/Ve > > > > > 43 deg, & Ve aspected by saturn..would not all people born > > around > > > this > > > > span of time then have that problem? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Dear Ash What is the significance of " DBCE points rising from lagna and Sun " , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Ben and Group, > I had give a post on Venus yesterday. > I just came across this other chart on a list about a man asking > about his sister. > > He is saying that his sister did not married and is not finding any > growth in her career that suites her ability. > > No past events are given. > > The data given is > > 26th Sept 1958, 6:00 AM, 8N44, 77E43, India. > > Please note > > a) Guru in libra and Guru is 2nd and 4th lord and placed in karak > sthan. > b) Ma, Mo, Ju, Me are all SD to Sa. > c) Zero in karak sthan due to Mars > d) Ma and Ra have influence on 11th lord Moon. > e) Sa in 10th place from moon in 6th house controlling it. > f) Ma in 10th place from Venus controllig it. > g) DBCE points rising from lagna and Sun. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > , " b_vellani " > <b_vellani> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thanks for the detailed explanation. > > I wish I had the details of that person but the only fact known was > > that they were born in 1980 and had Virgo Sun sign (by western > > astrology). Usually as a thumb rule, I minus one Sun sign and look > > at basic planetary positions in that case, but can't go in any > > detail since moon sign or lagna etc is not known. still, it is > > evident that we can estimate some things universally as was the > > hypotheical case. (actually I didn't notice Ju in Libra! yes I see > > now that does further " worsen " the persons marriage prospects) > > > > But one part which I was hoping to get clarified on was muliple > > relations/marriages vs. extramarital affairs. Usually in both cases > > some duality is present but how do you clearly make that > distinction? > > > > Is there a time per the worksheet that this gets enhanced? And > > would you say that a planet aspecting 12th house (and not LOE or > > LOD) in its sub would not allow such things? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Ben, > > > > > > Venus as we know is a very sensitive planet. Its status has to > be > > > checked very closely. > > > > > > Take Kal purush chart and in that Venus rules 2nd and 7th house. > > > Venus is said to be the Karak for Wife and its the Karak for > > > pleasures. > > > > > > Looking at that from KAS view point, Venus is 2nd lord and 2nd is > > A > > > for 7th house so its called Karak for spouse and Ve rules libra > > which > > > is natural 7th lord and 7th is A for 12th and 12th house is that > > of > > > pleasures and desires. > > > > > > Venus is also the planet or arts, romance, love etc. > > > > > > If you also observe carefully and if u refer to the BAV table of > > > Venus, you will notice that Venus does not like any planet in 7th > > > from it. It likes to have 7th house from it free. All planets > > have > > > 7th aspect. So no planets makes a good yog with Venus when they > > are > > > in 7th from it or in other words, if any planet is in 7th from > > Venus, > > > Venus can never get full 8 bindus. > > > > > > Venus being very sensitive gets spoilt by Sun. Venus gets spoilt > > > when its in nakshtra of Sun and WORST when its in Krittika. > Venus > > > also gets spoilt when its too close to Sun i.e. less than 3deg20 > > to > > > be exact which is the length of 1 navamsa. So when Venus and Sun > > are > > > very close i.e. less than 3deg20 and if u find them also in the > > same > > > navamsa then Venus's qualities are spoilt. > > > > > > Similarly Venus when its between 3deg20 to 43deg20 from Sun its > > under > > > check of Sun and it will not misbehave. > > > > > > After Venus gets out of 43deg20 from Sun then Sun (like a father) > > > cant keep this Venus under check and the qualities of Venus gets > > > enhanced as its out of control. > > > > > > Now Shani is important. Shani if it aspects Venus then it will > > > enhance the BAD qualties of Venus. > > > > > > Now just think, if Venus is beyond 43deg20 so its out of control > > from > > > Sun and then its having aspect of Shani then it will start to act > > in > > > ways that maybe not acceptable in society. > > > > > > Now if Shani also aspects a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa then > this > > > will totally spoil Venus. > > > > > > Venus also gets spoilt in Aadra and Moola. In Jayeshta if not > > > aspected by Guru it can give multiple relations. > > > > > > Now this is the status of Venus. So a spoilt Venus affects the > > > karaktwa. As per KAS and our laws we FIRST study the Karak, > which > > is > > > Both natural and functional. If Karak if totally destroyed then > > > results of B cannot take place. > > > > > > For example for natural child birth if 12th house (A for 5th > > house) > > > is non existant as an example say if husband and wife are in > > > different cities then how can child birth be there i.e 5th house > > as B? > > > > > > Now apply the same, Ve is karak for 7th and 12th. If a person > > just > > > wants to enjoy too much (12th) and does not want to get tied down > > > then it may delay or deny marriage as an the extreme case. > > > > > > Similarly when Venus is too close to Sun then the person himself > > > might not be interested in pleasures or might not want to marry > as > > > his desires or say feelings for love and arts etc might not be > > there > > > or non existant. > > > > > > > > > You can imagine say if Venus is in krittika and say distance of > > Venus > > > from Sun is greater than 43deg20 and say Mars is in 10th place > > from > > > such a spoilt Venus with less than 4 bindus and this Venus has > > more > > > than 4 bindus and at the same time Sa aspects this Venus and to > > add > > > to this combo assume Ju is in libra and in first 3deg20. Take a > > > guess will this married life be happy ? > > > > > > Even Ju is in libra for 1 year and even there is a nakshtra of > > Guru > > > in libra too still Guru is spoilt. So many charts we have done > > with > > > Guru in libra that have some problem or the other in marriage. > > Makes > > > u think that how is this possible but I leave this to your > > research > > > that when u come across charts and if u find Guru in libra then > > study > > > that chart and come to a conclusion for yourself. > > > > > > If you see the website of Donna, Sandy Crawther has done a very > > nice > > > analysis of so many charts with these combos. Its in the FAQ > > > setion. This was a very painstaking effort that Sandy put in. > > > > > > Ok, me out of time now... > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , " b_vellani " > > > <b_vellani> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I have seen it discussed on the list many times that Sun-Ve > > > distance > > > > > 43 deg is a cause for delayed marriage (or spoiled?), and that > > it > > > > causes increased qualities of venus. Does this mean that the > > person > > > > has extramarital affairs or that they have increased sexual > > drive? > > > How > > > > do you make the distinction that there will be an extramarital > > > affairs > > > > vs. having more requirements for those matters? > > > > > > > > In one case, which I don't have the full data yet..but for > > > arguments > > > > sake take August 15, 1980..with Venus is in Ardra (spoiled?), > > > Sun/Ve > > > > > 43 deg, & Ve aspected by saturn..would not all people born > > around > > > this > > > > span of time then have that problem? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Dear Ash What is the significance of " DBCE points rising from lagna and Sun " Thanks Sanjiva , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Ben and Group, > I had give a post on Venus yesterday. > I just came across this other chart on a list about a man asking > about his sister. > > He is saying that his sister did not married and is not finding any > growth in her career that suites her ability. > > No past events are given. > > The data given is > > 26th Sept 1958, 6:00 AM, 8N44, 77E43, India. > > Please note > > a) Guru in libra and Guru is 2nd and 4th lord and placed in karak > sthan. > b) Ma, Mo, Ju, Me are all SD to Sa. > c) Zero in karak sthan due to Mars > d) Ma and Ra have influence on 11th lord Moon. > e) Sa in 10th place from moon in 6th house controlling it. > f) Ma in 10th place from Venus controllig it. > g) DBCE points rising from lagna and Sun. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > , " b_vellani " > <b_vellani> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thanks for the detailed explanation. > > I wish I had the details of that person but the only fact known was > > that they were born in 1980 and had Virgo Sun sign (by western > > astrology). Usually as a thumb rule, I minus one Sun sign and look > > at basic planetary positions in that case, but can't go in any > > detail since moon sign or lagna etc is not known. still, it is > > evident that we can estimate some things universally as was the > > hypotheical case. (actually I didn't notice Ju in Libra! yes I see > > now that does further " worsen " the persons marriage prospects) > > > > But one part which I was hoping to get clarified on was muliple > > relations/marriages vs. extramarital affairs. Usually in both cases > > some duality is present but how do you clearly make that > distinction? > > > > Is there a time per the worksheet that this gets enhanced? And > > would you say that a planet aspecting 12th house (and not LOE or > > LOD) in its sub would not allow such things? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Ben, > > > > > > Venus as we know is a very sensitive planet. Its status has to > be > > > checked very closely. > > > > > > Take Kal purush chart and in that Venus rules 2nd and 7th house. > > > Venus is said to be the Karak for Wife and its the Karak for > > > pleasures. > > > > > > Looking at that from KAS view point, Venus is 2nd lord and 2nd is > > A > > > for 7th house so its called Karak for spouse and Ve rules libra > > which > > > is natural 7th lord and 7th is A for 12th and 12th house is that > > of > > > pleasures and desires. > > > > > > Venus is also the planet or arts, romance, love etc. > > > > > > If you also observe carefully and if u refer to the BAV table of > > > Venus, you will notice that Venus does not like any planet in 7th > > > from it. It likes to have 7th house from it free. All planets > > have > > > 7th aspect. So no planets makes a good yog with Venus when they > > are > > > in 7th from it or in other words, if any planet is in 7th from > > Venus, > > > Venus can never get full 8 bindus. > > > > > > Venus being very sensitive gets spoilt by Sun. Venus gets spoilt > > > when its in nakshtra of Sun and WORST when its in Krittika. > Venus > > > also gets spoilt when its too close to Sun i.e. less than 3deg20 > > to > > > be exact which is the length of 1 navamsa. So when Venus and Sun > > are > > > very close i.e. less than 3deg20 and if u find them also in the > > same > > > navamsa then Venus's qualities are spoilt. > > > > > > Similarly Venus when its between 3deg20 to 43deg20 from Sun its > > under > > > check of Sun and it will not misbehave. > > > > > > After Venus gets out of 43deg20 from Sun then Sun (like a father) > > > cant keep this Venus under check and the qualities of Venus gets > > > enhanced as its out of control. > > > > > > Now Shani is important. Shani if it aspects Venus then it will > > > enhance the BAD qualties of Venus. > > > > > > Now just think, if Venus is beyond 43deg20 so its out of control > > from > > > Sun and then its having aspect of Shani then it will start to act > > in > > > ways that maybe not acceptable in society. > > > > > > Now if Shani also aspects a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa then > this > > > will totally spoil Venus. > > > > > > Venus also gets spoilt in Aadra and Moola. In Jayeshta if not > > > aspected by Guru it can give multiple relations. > > > > > > Now this is the status of Venus. So a spoilt Venus affects the > > > karaktwa. As per KAS and our laws we FIRST study the Karak, > which > > is > > > Both natural and functional. If Karak if totally destroyed then > > > results of B cannot take place. > > > > > > For example for natural child birth if 12th house (A for 5th > > house) > > > is non existant as an example say if husband and wife are in > > > different cities then how can child birth be there i.e 5th house > > as B? > > > > > > Now apply the same, Ve is karak for 7th and 12th. If a person > > just > > > wants to enjoy too much (12th) and does not want to get tied down > > > then it may delay or deny marriage as an the extreme case. > > > > > > Similarly when Venus is too close to Sun then the person himself > > > might not be interested in pleasures or might not want to marry > as > > > his desires or say feelings for love and arts etc might not be > > there > > > or non existant. > > > > > > > > > You can imagine say if Venus is in krittika and say distance of > > Venus > > > from Sun is greater than 43deg20 and say Mars is in 10th place > > from > > > such a spoilt Venus with less than 4 bindus and this Venus has > > more > > > than 4 bindus and at the same time Sa aspects this Venus and to > > add > > > to this combo assume Ju is in libra and in first 3deg20. Take a > > > guess will this married life be happy ? > > > > > > Even Ju is in libra for 1 year and even there is a nakshtra of > > Guru > > > in libra too still Guru is spoilt. So many charts we have done > > with > > > Guru in libra that have some problem or the other in marriage. > > Makes > > > u think that how is this possible but I leave this to your > > research > > > that when u come across charts and if u find Guru in libra then > > study > > > that chart and come to a conclusion for yourself. > > > > > > If you see the website of Donna, Sandy Crawther has done a very > > nice > > > analysis of so many charts with these combos. Its in the FAQ > > > setion. This was a very painstaking effort that Sandy put in. > > > > > > Ok, me out of time now... > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , " b_vellani " > > > <b_vellani> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I have seen it discussed on the list many times that Sun-Ve > > > distance > > > > > 43 deg is a cause for delayed marriage (or spoiled?), and that > > it > > > > causes increased qualities of venus. Does this mean that the > > person > > > > has extramarital affairs or that they have increased sexual > > drive? > > > How > > > > do you make the distinction that there will be an extramarital > > > affairs > > > > vs. having more requirements for those matters? > > > > > > > > In one case, which I don't have the full data yet..but for > > > arguments > > > > sake take August 15, 1980..with Venus is in Ardra (spoiled?), > > > Sun/Ve > > > > > 43 deg, & Ve aspected by saturn..would not all people born > > around > > > this > > > > span of time then have that problem? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Dear Sanjiva, DBCE is 3:6:10:11 house SAV points. Refer to Lesson 21. Its given in there. This is saying a lot about ladys personality. We need to check this from lagna, sun and moon. So from Lagna and Sun these point are ascending. Cheers !!! Ash , " sanjiva_sharma " <sksharma@g...> wrote: > Dear Ash > What is the significance of " DBCE points rising from lagna and Sun " > Thanks > Sanjiva > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Ben and Group, > > I had give a post on Venus yesterday. > > I just came across this other chart on a list about a man asking > > about his sister. > > > > He is saying that his sister did not married and is not finding > any > > growth in her career that suites her ability. > > > > No past events are given. > > > > The data given is > > > > 26th Sept 1958, 6:00 AM, 8N44, 77E43, India. > > > > Please note > > > > a) Guru in libra and Guru is 2nd and 4th lord and placed in karak > > sthan. > > b) Ma, Mo, Ju, Me are all SD to Sa. > > c) Zero in karak sthan due to Mars > > d) Ma and Ra have influence on 11th lord Moon. > > e) Sa in 10th place from moon in 6th house controlling it. > > f) Ma in 10th place from Venus controllig it. > > g) DBCE points rising from lagna and Sun. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , " b_vellani " > > <b_vellani> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thanks for the detailed explanation. > > > I wish I had the details of that person but the only fact known > was > > > that they were born in 1980 and had Virgo Sun sign (by western > > > astrology). Usually as a thumb rule, I minus one Sun sign and > look > > > at basic planetary positions in that case, but can't go in any > > > detail since moon sign or lagna etc is not known. still, it is > > > evident that we can estimate some things universally as was the > > > hypotheical case. (actually I didn't notice Ju in Libra! yes I > see > > > now that does further " worsen " the persons marriage prospects) > > > > > > But one part which I was hoping to get clarified on was muliple > > > relations/marriages vs. extramarital affairs. Usually in both > cases > > > some duality is present but how do you clearly make that > > distinction? > > > > > > Is there a time per the worksheet that this gets enhanced? And > > > would you say that a planet aspecting 12th house (and not LOE or > > > LOD) in its sub would not allow such things? > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ben > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Ben, > > > > > > > > Venus as we know is a very sensitive planet. Its status has > to > > be > > > > checked very closely. > > > > > > > > Take Kal purush chart and in that Venus rules 2nd and 7th > house. > > > > Venus is said to be the Karak for Wife and its the Karak for > > > > pleasures. > > > > > > > > Looking at that from KAS view point, Venus is 2nd lord and 2nd > is > > > A > > > > for 7th house so its called Karak for spouse and Ve rules > libra > > > which > > > > is natural 7th lord and 7th is A for 12th and 12th house is > that > > > of > > > > pleasures and desires. > > > > > > > > Venus is also the planet or arts, romance, love etc. > > > > > > > > If you also observe carefully and if u refer to the BAV table > of > > > > Venus, you will notice that Venus does not like any planet in > 7th > > > > from it. It likes to have 7th house from it free. All > planets > > > have > > > > 7th aspect. So no planets makes a good yog with Venus when > they > > > are > > > > in 7th from it or in other words, if any planet is in 7th from > > > Venus, > > > > Venus can never get full 8 bindus. > > > > > > > > Venus being very sensitive gets spoilt by Sun. Venus gets > spoilt > > > > when its in nakshtra of Sun and WORST when its in Krittika. > > Venus > > > > also gets spoilt when its too close to Sun i.e. less than > 3deg20 > > > to > > > > be exact which is the length of 1 navamsa. So when Venus and > Sun > > > are > > > > very close i.e. less than 3deg20 and if u find them also in > the > > > same > > > > navamsa then Venus's qualities are spoilt. > > > > > > > > Similarly Venus when its between 3deg20 to 43deg20 from Sun > its > > > under > > > > check of Sun and it will not misbehave. > > > > > > > > After Venus gets out of 43deg20 from Sun then Sun (like a > father) > > > > cant keep this Venus under check and the qualities of Venus > gets > > > > enhanced as its out of control. > > > > > > > > Now Shani is important. Shani if it aspects Venus then it will > > > > enhance the BAD qualties of Venus. > > > > > > > > Now just think, if Venus is beyond 43deg20 so its out of > control > > > from > > > > Sun and then its having aspect of Shani then it will start to > act > > > in > > > > ways that maybe not acceptable in society. > > > > > > > > Now if Shani also aspects a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa then > > this > > > > will totally spoil Venus. > > > > > > > > Venus also gets spoilt in Aadra and Moola. In Jayeshta if not > > > > aspected by Guru it can give multiple relations. > > > > > > > > Now this is the status of Venus. So a spoilt Venus affects > the > > > > karaktwa. As per KAS and our laws we FIRST study the Karak, > > which > > > is > > > > Both natural and functional. If Karak if totally destroyed > then > > > > results of B cannot take place. > > > > > > > > For example for natural child birth if 12th house (A for 5th > > > house) > > > > is non existant as an example say if husband and wife are in > > > > different cities then how can child birth be there i.e 5th > house > > > as B? > > > > > > > > Now apply the same, Ve is karak for 7th and 12th. If a person > > > just > > > > wants to enjoy too much (12th) and does not want to get tied > down > > > > then it may delay or deny marriage as an the extreme case. > > > > > > > > Similarly when Venus is too close to Sun then the person > himself > > > > might not be interested in pleasures or might not want to > marry > > as > > > > his desires or say feelings for love and arts etc might not be > > > there > > > > or non existant. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can imagine say if Venus is in krittika and say distance > of > > > Venus > > > > from Sun is greater than 43deg20 and say Mars is in 10th place > > > from > > > > such a spoilt Venus with less than 4 bindus and this Venus has > > > more > > > > than 4 bindus and at the same time Sa aspects this Venus and > to > > > add > > > > to this combo assume Ju is in libra and in first 3deg20. Take > a > > > > guess will this married life be happy ? > > > > > > > > Even Ju is in libra for 1 year and even there is a nakshtra of > > > Guru > > > > in libra too still Guru is spoilt. So many charts we have > done > > > with > > > > Guru in libra that have some problem or the other in > marriage. > > > Makes > > > > u think that how is this possible but I leave this to your > > > research > > > > that when u come across charts and if u find Guru in libra > then > > > study > > > > that chart and come to a conclusion for yourself. > > > > > > > > If you see the website of Donna, Sandy Crawther has done a > very > > > nice > > > > analysis of so many charts with these combos. Its in the FAQ > > > > setion. This was a very painstaking effort that Sandy put > in. > > > > > > > > Ok, me out of time now... > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " b_vellani " > > > > <b_vellani> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I have seen it discussed on the list many times that Sun-Ve > > > > distance > > > > > > 43 deg is a cause for delayed marriage (or spoiled?), and > that > > > it > > > > > causes increased qualities of venus. Does this mean that the > > > person > > > > > has extramarital affairs or that they have increased sexual > > > drive? > > > > How > > > > > do you make the distinction that there will be an > extramarital > > > > affairs > > > > > vs. having more requirements for those matters? > > > > > > > > > > In one case, which I don't have the full data yet..but for > > > > arguments > > > > > sake take August 15, 1980..with Venus is in Ardra > (spoiled?), > > > > Sun/Ve > > > > > > 43 deg, & Ve aspected by saturn..would not all people born > > > around > > > > this > > > > > span of time then have that problem? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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