a chart for study---another thought--Ash

August 31, 2005

Dear Ash,

I understand that the delay period is over on the 25th of

January...but shouldnt the marriage take place in the period of

strongest significator? Just an after thought:

why is jupiter the strongest significator? well as I feel, may be

its not the strongest significator but is capable enough to give

marriage. but why? It is not FK, it is having high points but not

the highest, its not the lord of D or E to be eager to give

marriage, then what makes it to give marriage? Is there some

relation that it is placed in house B? could you please explain a

little more?

--Manoshi

thanx in advance , " Manoshi

Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote:

> Dear Ash and Krushna ji,

>

> Native got married on the 26th of January 1961. Amazing....

>

> --Manoshi

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73> wrote:

> > Dear Krushnaji,

> >

> > Thank you very much for the answer.

> >

> > Manoshi did say however that after marriage the native stayed 3

> > months away from her husband which can be in the delay period or

> > delay caused due to Venus as you say for a few months so after

> that

> > the native and her husband can start married life.

> >

> > Its all clear now.

> >

> > Thanks Manoshi for the chart :=)

> >

> > It was good learning.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , krushna

> jugalkalani

> > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > Delay due to Zero any planet can not be computed

> > exactly in time. period. But it gives delay for no reason. one

> Zero

> > may give delay in few months, some times the marriage sattles

and

> it

> > is postponed for any reason. Two More Zero can give considerable

> > delay.

> > > krushna

> > >

> > > Ash <ashsam73> wrote:

> > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > Thank you for your answer.

> > >

> > > Here one more question that I was not very clear on was that

in

> > this chart Venus has 0 power in 10th house.

> > >

> > > Here do we add the delay of Venus? With this calculations the

> > marriage happened after delay of Shani got over. Manoshi has

> given

> > that marriage of this native happened in January 1961.

> > >

> > > Now If I add delay of Venus then delay will increase taking it

> > beyond the delay period.

> > >

> > > Can you say a little bit more on the delay due to 0 points due

> to

> > Ve and should it be considered? If not what is the reason?

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > Jugal Kalani <str_jkmw@s...> wrote:

> > > Dear ASh,

> > > I have calculated oraly, assuming that you

not

> > considered Cap 00 degree entering Sa in Cap, so deducted 2.5 yrs

> > from your delay period.

> > > so you can find the date when Sa enters Cap. tHERE MASY BE

> > DIFFERENCE OF 13 DAYS.

> > > thanks

> > > krushna

> > >

> > > -

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:50 PM

> > > Re: Re: a chart for study--

-

> > Ash and others

> > >

> > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > I re-read your email.

> > >

> > > You have mentioned that time start should be at begining of

> > Capricorn. I agree.

> > >

> > > At 22 years and 7 months Saturn is at 14 Sag 30 so still not

at

> 0

> > deg capricorn.

> > >

> > > Still Sa has to transit 15 deg 30 degrees more so atleast over

1

> > more year it has to transit to reach Capricorn.

> > >

> > > On 25th Jan 1961 Sa reaches 0Cp5. So the exact age of the

> Native

> > at that time is 24 years and 8 month and 24 days.

> > >

> > > So I am still not getting how did you compute the date to 22

> years

> > and 7 months when Sagittarius is at 14 Sag 30.

> > >

> > > Please Guide me.

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote:

> > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > Pranam.

> > >

> > > What am I missing.

> > >

> > > This is the calculation I did.

> > >

> > > 27.5 years is full delay. Saturn has transitted 28 deg 45 in

> Sign.

> > >

> > > So total delay will be 27.5 - 2 years 3 months or so = 25 year

3

> > > months Approximately

> > >

> > > How are you getting 22 years and 7 months ?

> > >

> > > Can you please guide me.

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , Jugal Kalani

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > Delay period calculated by you is having some

> > > mistake. It should be 22 yrs 7 months. So marriage can be

after

> > that

> > > period in strong significator. (Sa Aq 28:45) Time should be

> > > Capricorn start.

> > > > krushna

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:07 AM

> > > > Re: Re: a chart for

study--

> -

> > > Ash and others

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoshi and Ramesh,

> > > > Thanks for the feedback. I have explained this umpteen times

> in

> > > the past about when Delay of Saturn gets over. Its in the

> > > archives. If you can look it up or someone can look it up for

u

> it

> > > will be good.

> > > > Right now we have just been advised to roughly consider

delay

> > > for each 0 as 10%. Exact computations have not been given by

> > > Krushnaji so far. I beleive the exact delay for 0 might be

based

> > on

> > > Speed of the planet.

> > > > For now I am using approximate vaues and for delay that

> Jupiter

> > > creates one has to be careful. The exact calculations again

> > > Krushnaji has not given us maybe in time he will give us but

for

> > now

> > > again I am using approx values based on my experience for now.

> > > >

> > > > Can you answer 3 Question for me please.

> > > >

> > > > 1) The 11:45 pm time is it LMT or IST?

> > > > 2) How confident are you of this birth time?

> > > > 3) What would be called delayed marriage back in Calcutta in

> > > 1936?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the chart,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi Chatterjee wrote:

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > you said:

> > > >

> > > > " Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is

> > > there

> > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. "

> > > >

> > > > I want to understand this concept...how do you judge the

> > > percentage

> > > > of delay?

> > > >

> > > > She got married in January 1961.

> > > >

> > > > She was away from her husband for 3 months after marriage.

She

> > > has

> > > > a good married life (the charts of husband and wife have

> > > saturn/rahu-

> > > > mars in conjunction, mars-venus do not overlap or are not in

> > > > conjunction but are in 5:9)

> > > >

> > > > --Manoshi

> > > >

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Manoshi,

> > > > > Planet Degrees

> > > > > As 19 Ta 13

> > > > > Su 4 Le 28

> > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22

> > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57

> > > > > Me 27 Le 1

> > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37

> > > > > Ve 18 Le 37

> > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45

> > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34

> > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born 19th

> > > August

> > > > 1936

> > > > > at calcutta at 23:45.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now here is my attempt.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B and

Ju

> > > who is

> > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in this

chart

> > > due

> > > > to

> > > > > Sa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord Mercury

so

> > > Ju is

> > > > > not delay causing in this case.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a rare

> > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that Venus

is

> > > the

> > > > only

> > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon and

7th

> > > are in

> > > > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 in Rasi.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Navamsa

> > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and Sa

are

> > > in

> > > > 5:9,

> > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12.

> > > > >

> > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is also

> > > lagna

> > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in

upchaya

> > > from

> > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st.

> > > > >

> > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig zag

> > > manner.

> > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 points

in

> > > SAV.

> > > > >

> > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more spending

trend.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in

navamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is

> > > there

> > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. So

when

> > > > delay

> > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's MD

will

> > > give

> > > > > marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Me antra is on at the end of delay period and at that time

> > > Sa is

> > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe probems

in

> > > the

> > > > > family around that time and some stress related to that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak and

> > > placed in

> > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may give

> > > the

> > > > event

> > > > > but not full happiness from it.

> > > > >

> > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra i.e

1964-

> > > Feb-10

> > > > > to 1966-Aug-29.

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > Chatterjee " wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to analyse

> > > this

> > > > chart

> > > > > to

> > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the groups so

> > > that it

> > > > > can

> > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would request

Ash

> > > and

> > > > > other

> > > > > > members to guide me through.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lets look at the chart if it has any zeroes: one zero

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, House B,

> > > House D,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is

> > > definitely

> > > > delay

> > > > > due

> > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning that

> > > Saturn

> > > > > causes

> > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses A, B

> > > and C.

> > > > But

> > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th with 4

> > > points.

> > > > > In

> > > > > > lessons it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay if

> > > jupiter is

> > > > > either

> > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due to

> > > jupiter

> > > > with

> > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will there be

> > > delay

> > > > > > considered in this case?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance after I

get

> > > my

> > > > > doubts

> > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest

significator

> > > etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanx

> > > > > > Manoshi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of this

> > > native

> > > > > (female)

> > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about the`life

events

> > > of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936

> > > > > > > place :calcutta

> > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > >

August 31, 2005

Dear Manoshi,

As a general rule, when delay period is over, any

planet having more then 12 points in WS can give the result. again also see

the LOD and LOE from Su and Mo. means considering Su as Lagna and Mo as

lagna. If any planet after delay period overs, is LOD from Su or Mo, can

give the result.

krushna

-

" Manoshi Chatterjee " <khallopapa

Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:30 AM

Re: a chart for study---another

thought--Ash

> Dear Ash,

>

> I understand that the delay period is over on the 25th of

> January...but shouldnt the marriage take place in the period of

> strongest significator? Just an after thought:

> why is jupiter the strongest significator? well as I feel, may be

> its not the strongest significator but is capable enough to give

> marriage. but why? It is not FK, it is having high points but not

> the highest, its not the lord of D or E to be eager to give

> marriage, then what makes it to give marriage? Is there some

> relation that it is placed in house B? could you please explain a

> little more?

>

> --Manoshi

>

> thanx in advance , " Manoshi

> Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote:

> > Dear Ash and Krushna ji,

> >

> > Native got married on the 26th of January 1961. Amazing....

> >

> > --Manoshi

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73> wrote:

> > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for the answer.

> > >

> > > Manoshi did say however that after marriage the native stayed 3

> > > months away from her husband which can be in the delay period or

> > > delay caused due to Venus as you say for a few months so after

> > that

> > > the native and her husband can start married life.

> > >

> > > Its all clear now.

> > >

> > > Thanks Manoshi for the chart :=)

> > >

> > > It was good learning.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , krushna

> > jugalkalani

> > > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > Delay due to Zero any planet can not be computed

> > > exactly in time. period. But it gives delay for no reason. one

> > Zero

> > > may give delay in few months, some times the marriage sattles

> and

> > it

> > > is postponed for any reason. Two More Zero can give considerable

> > > delay.

> > > > krushna

> > > >

> > > > Ash <ashsam73> wrote:

> > > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > > Thank you for your answer.

> > > >

> > > > Here one more question that I was not very clear on was that

> in

> > > this chart Venus has 0 power in 10th house.

> > > >

> > > > Here do we add the delay of Venus? With this calculations the

> > > marriage happened after delay of Shani got over. Manoshi has

> > given

> > > that marriage of this native happened in January 1961.

> > > >

> > > > Now If I add delay of Venus then delay will increase taking it

> > > beyond the delay period.

> > > >

> > > > Can you say a little bit more on the delay due to 0 points due

> > to

> > > Ve and should it be considered? If not what is the reason?

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > Jugal Kalani <str_jkmw@s...> wrote:

> > > > Dear ASh,

> > > > I have calculated oraly, assuming that you

> not

> > > considered Cap 00 degree entering Sa in Cap, so deducted 2.5 yrs

> > > from your delay period.

> > > > so you can find the date when Sa enters Cap. tHERE MASY BE

> > > DIFFERENCE OF 13 DAYS.

> > > > thanks

> > > > krushna

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:50 PM

> > > > Re: Re: a chart for study--

> -

> > > Ash and others

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > > I re-read your email.

> > > >

> > > > You have mentioned that time start should be at begining of

> > > Capricorn. I agree.

> > > >

> > > > At 22 years and 7 months Saturn is at 14 Sag 30 so still not

> at

> > 0

> > > deg capricorn.

> > > >

> > > > Still Sa has to transit 15 deg 30 degrees more so atleast over

> 1

> > > more year it has to transit to reach Capricorn.

> > > >

> > > > On 25th Jan 1961 Sa reaches 0Cp5. So the exact age of the

> > Native

> > > at that time is 24 years and 8 month and 24 days.

> > > >

> > > > So I am still not getting how did you compute the date to 22

> > years

> > > and 7 months when Sagittarius is at 14 Sag 30.

> > > >

> > > > Please Guide me.

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote:

> > > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > > Pranam.

> > > >

> > > > What am I missing.

> > > >

> > > > This is the calculation I did.

> > > >

> > > > 27.5 years is full delay. Saturn has transitted 28 deg 45 in

> > Sign.

> > > >

> > > > So total delay will be 27.5 - 2 years 3 months or so = 25 year

> 3

> > > > months Approximately

> > > >

> > > > How are you getting 22 years and 7 months ?

> > > >

> > > > Can you please guide me.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , Jugal Kalani

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > Delay period calculated by you is having some

> > > > mistake. It should be 22 yrs 7 months. So marriage can be

> after

> > > that

> > > > period in strong significator. (Sa Aq 28:45) Time should be

> > > > Capricorn start.

> > > > > krushna

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:07 AM

> > > > > Re: Re: a chart for

> study--

> > -

> > > > Ash and others

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Manoshi and Ramesh,

> > > > > Thanks for the feedback. I have explained this umpteen times

> > in

> > > > the past about when Delay of Saturn gets over. Its in the

> > > > archives. If you can look it up or someone can look it up for

> u

> > it

> > > > will be good.

> > > > > Right now we have just been advised to roughly consider

> delay

> > > > for each 0 as 10%. Exact computations have not been given by

> > > > Krushnaji so far. I beleive the exact delay for 0 might be

> based

> > > on

> > > > Speed of the planet.

> > > > > For now I am using approximate vaues and for delay that

> > Jupiter

> > > > creates one has to be careful. The exact calculations again

> > > > Krushnaji has not given us maybe in time he will give us but

> for

> > > now

> > > > again I am using approx values based on my experience for now.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you answer 3 Question for me please.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) The 11:45 pm time is it LMT or IST?

> > > > > 2) How confident are you of this birth time?

> > > > > 3) What would be called delayed marriage back in Calcutta in

> > > > 1936?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the chart,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee wrote:

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > you said:

> > > > >

> > > > > " Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is

> > > > there

> > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. "

> > > > >

> > > > > I want to understand this concept...how do you judge the

> > > > percentage

> > > > > of delay?

> > > > >

> > > > > She got married in January 1961.

> > > > >

> > > > > She was away from her husband for 3 months after marriage.

> She

> > > > has

> > > > > a good married life (the charts of husband and wife have

> > > > saturn/rahu-

> > > > > mars in conjunction, mars-venus do not overlap or are not in

> > > > > conjunction but are in 5:9)

> > > > >

> > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Manoshi,

> > > > > > Planet Degrees

> > > > > > As 19 Ta 13

> > > > > > Su 4 Le 28

> > > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22

> > > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57

> > > > > > Me 27 Le 1

> > > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37

> > > > > > Ve 18 Le 37

> > > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45

> > > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34

> > > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born 19th

> > > > August

> > > > > 1936

> > > > > > at calcutta at 23:45.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now here is my attempt.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B and

> Ju

> > > > who is

> > > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in this

> chart

> > > > due

> > > > > to

> > > > > > Sa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord Mercury

> so

> > > > Ju is

> > > > > > not delay causing in this case.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a rare

> > > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that Venus

> is

> > > > the

> > > > > only

> > > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon and

> 7th

> > > > are in

> > > > > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 in Rasi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Navamsa

> > > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and Sa

> are

> > > > in

> > > > > 5:9,

> > > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is also

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in

> upchaya

> > > > from

> > > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig zag

> > > > manner.

> > > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 points

> in

> > > > SAV.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more spending

> trend.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in

> navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is

> > > > there

> > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. So

> when

> > > > > delay

> > > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's MD

> will

> > > > give

> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Me antra is on at the end of delay period and at that time

> > > > Sa is

> > > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe probems

> in

> > > > the

> > > > > > family around that time and some stress related to that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak and

> > > > placed in

> > > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may give

> > > > the

> > > > > event

> > > > > > but not full happiness from it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra i.e

> 1964-

> > > > Feb-10

> > > > > > to 1966-Aug-29.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > Chatterjee " wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to analyse

> > > > this

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the groups so

> > > > that it

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would request

> Ash

> > > > and

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > members to guide me through.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lets look at the chart if it has any zeroes: one zero

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, House B,

> > > > House D,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is

> > > > definitely

> > > > > delay

> > > > > > due

> > > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning that

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > causes

> > > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses A, B

> > > > and C.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th with 4

> > > > points.

> > > > > > In

> > > > > > > lessons it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay if

> > > > jupiter is

> > > > > > either

> > > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due to

> > > > jupiter

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will there be

> > > > delay

> > > > > > > considered in this case?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance after I

> get

> > > > my

> > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest

> significator

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanx

> > > > > > > Manoshi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of this

> > > > native

> > > > > > (female)

> > > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about the`life

> events

> > > > of

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936

> > > > > > > > place :calcutta

> > > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > >

September 1, 2005

Hi Manoshi, Subhechcha, Aapni Kemon,

I also checked up the reason marriage took place in the antara of Jup who has nothing to do either with house D or LoD.But during transit on the date of marriage he was aspecting house E and D + LoD. Another point I noticed that during transit it was transiting over the nak. of Sun and was aspecting natal Me who is a FK and NK Ven.

On the day of marriage Sun who is LoD was transiting over Cp and aspecting natal LoB Mars

One more point may be raised. If we consider the role of SD ,then also conditions do not satisfy. In this case we may say that Jup. is SD to Sun & Me .To satisfy the condition Jup. must have more bindus than that of Sun and Me. but it is not so. If we check up the D9, there Jup is SD to Me.So jup might have given the result of Me Sat. can not be SD to Jup. because Sat has only 3 bindus which has less bindus than that of Jup.This may be the reason for Jup to give the marriage. However total of Jup and Sat has only 5 points and a natural malefic Mars is transiting over house A which was not good for marriage and brings worries.Total SAV points also is only 192 a weak point and below average.

So Manoshi ji , I have pointed out the reason according to my analysis and understanding. Sri Krushna ji and Dr,Ash is there to correct it and rectify my understandings. Unless they correct us , we can not understand this system by and large. The more we discuss the topic we can cope up the knowledge and start relying upon its credibility.

Thanks and warm regards,

Rmesh MishraManoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa wrote:

Dear Ash,I understand that the delay period is over on the 25th of January...but shouldnt the marriage take place in the period of strongest significator? Just an after thought:why is jupiter the strongest significator? well as I feel, may be its not the strongest significator but is capable enough to give marriage. but why? It is not FK, it is having high points but not the highest, its not the lord of D or E to be eager to give marriage, then what makes it to give marriage? Is there some relation that it is placed in house B? could you please explain a little more? --Manoshithanx in advance , "Manoshi Chatterjee" <khallopapa> wrote:> Dear Ash and Krushna ji,> > > Native got married on the 26th of January 1961.

Amazing....> > --Manoshi> > > , "ashsam73" > <ashsam73> wrote:> > Dear Krushnaji,> > > > Thank you very much for the answer. > > > > Manoshi did say however that after marriage the native stayed 3 > > months away from her husband which can be in the delay period or > > delay caused due to Venus as you say for a few months so after > that > > the native and her husband can start married life.> > > > Its all clear now.> > > > Thanks Manoshi for the chart :=) > > > > It was good learning.> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > , krushna > jugalkalani > > <krushanain> wrote:> > > Dear Ash,> >

> Delay due to Zero any planet can not be computed > > exactly in time. period. But it gives delay for no reason. one > Zero > > may give delay in few months, some times the marriage sattles and > it > > is postponed for any reason. Two More Zero can give considerable > > delay. > > > krushna> > > > > > > > > Ash <ashsam73> wrote:> > > Dear Krushnaji,> > > Thank you for your answer.> > > > > > Here one more question that I was not very clear on was that in > > this chart Venus has 0 power in 10th house. > > > > > > Here do we add the delay of Venus? With this calculations the > > marriage happened after delay of Shani got over. Manoshi has >

given > > that marriage of this native happened in January 1961. > > > > > > Now If I add delay of Venus then delay will increase taking it > > beyond the delay period.> > > > > > Can you say a little bit more on the delay due to 0 points due > to > > Ve and should it be considered? If not what is the reason?> > > > > > Thanking you,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > > > > > Thanking you,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > > > > > Jugal Kalani <str_jkmw@s...> wrote:> > > Dear ASh,> > > I have calculated oraly, assuming that you not > > considered Cap 00 degree entering Sa in Cap, so deducted

2.5 yrs > > from your delay period.> > > so you can find the date when Sa enters Cap. tHERE MASY BE > > DIFFERENCE OF 13 DAYS.> > > thanks> > > krushna> > > > > > - > > > Ash > > > > > > Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:50 PM> > > Re: Re: a chart for study---> > Ash and others> > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji,> > > I re-read your email.> > > > > > You have mentioned that time start should be at begining of > > Capricorn. I agree. > > > > > > At 22 years and 7 months Saturn is at 14 Sag 30 so still not at > 0 > > deg capricorn.> > > >

> > Still Sa has to transit 15 deg 30 degrees more so atleast over 1 > > more year it has to transit to reach Capricorn.> > > > > > On 25th Jan 1961 Sa reaches 0Cp5. So the exact age of the > Native > > at that time is 24 years and 8 month and 24 days.> > > > > > So I am still not getting how did you compute the date to 22 > years > > and 7 months when Sagittarius is at 14 Sag 30.> > > > > > Please Guide me.> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote:> > > Dear Krushnaji,> > > Pranam.> > > > > > What am I missing.> > > > > > This is the calculation I did.> > > > > > 27.5 years is full delay. Saturn has transitted 28 deg 45 in >

Sign.> > > > > > So total delay will be 27.5 - 2 years 3 months or so = 25 year 3 > > > months Approximately> > > > > > How are you getting 22 years and 7 months ?> > > > > > Can you please guide me.> > > > > > Thanking you,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > > > > > , Jugal Kalani > > > wrote:> > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Delay period calculated by you is having some > > > mistake. It should be 22 yrs 7 months. So marriage can be after > > that > > > period in strong significator. (Sa Aq 28:45) Time should be > > > Capricorn start.> > > > krushna> > > > > > > > - > > > > Ash >

> > > > > > > Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:07 AM> > > > Re: Re: a chart for study--> -> > > Ash and others> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi and Ramesh,> > > > Thanks for the feedback. I have explained this umpteen times > in > > > the past about when Delay of Saturn gets over. Its in the > > > archives. If you can look it up or someone can look it up for u > it > > > will be good. > > > > Right now we have just been advised to roughly consider delay > > > for each 0 as 10%. Exact computations have not been given by > > > Krushnaji so far. I beleive the exact delay for 0 might be based > > on > > > Speed of the planet. > > >

> For now I am using approximate vaues and for delay that > Jupiter > > > creates one has to be careful. The exact calculations again > > > Krushnaji has not given us maybe in time he will give us but for > > now > > > again I am using approx values based on my experience for now.> > > > > > > > Can you answer 3 Question for me please.> > > > > > > > 1) The 11:45 pm time is it LMT or IST?> > > > 2) How confident are you of this birth time?> > > > 3) What would be called delayed marriage back in Calcutta in > > > 1936?> > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart,> > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash> > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee wrote:> > > > Dear Ash,> > > > > > >

> you said:> > > > > > > > "Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is > > > there > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. "> > > > > > > > I want to understand this concept...how do you judge the > > > percentage > > > > of delay? > > > > > > > > She got married in January 1961. > > > > > > > > She was away from her husband for 3 months after marriage. She > > > has > > > > a good married life (the charts of husband and wife have > > > saturn/rahu-> > > > mars in conjunction, mars-venus do not overlap or are not in > > > > conjunction but are in 5:9) > > > > > > > > --Manoshi> > > > > > > > --- In

, "ashsam73" > > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Manoshi,> > > > > Planet Degrees > > > > > As 19 Ta 13 > > > > > Su 4 Le 28 > > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22 > > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57 > > > > > Me 27 Le 1 > > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37 > > > > > Ve 18 Le 37 > > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45 > > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34 > > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34 > > > > > > > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born 19th > > > August > > > > 1936 > > > > > at calcutta at 23:45.> > > > > > > > > > Now here is my attempt.> > > > > > > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B and Ju

> > > who is > > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in this chart > > > due > > > > to > > > > > Sa.> > > > > > > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord Mercury so > > > Ju is > > > > > not delay causing in this case.> > > > > > > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a rare > > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that Venus is > > > the > > > > only > > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house.> > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV. > > > > > > > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon and 7th > > > are in > >

> > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 in Rasi.> > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa > > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and Sa are > > > in > > > > 5:9, > > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12.> > > > > > > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is also > > > lagna > > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in upchaya > > > from > > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st. > > > > > > > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig zag > > > manner. > > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 points in > > > SAV.

> > > > > > > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more spending trend.> > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period.> > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is > > > there > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. So when > > > > delay > > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md.> > > > > > > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's MD will > > > give > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > > > > Me antra is on at the end of

delay period and at that time > > > Sa is > > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe probems in > > > the > > > > > family around that time and some stress related to that.> > > > > > > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak and > > > placed in > > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may give > > > the > > > > event > > > > > but not full happiness from it. > > > > > > > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra i.e 1964-> > > Feb-10 > > > > > to 1966-Aug-29.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please.> > > > > > > > > >

Thanks,> > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > > > Chatterjee" wrote:> > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members,> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to analyse > > > this > > > > chart > > > > > to > > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the groups so > > > that it > > > > > can > > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would request Ash > > > and > > > > > other > > > > > > members to guide me through.> > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at the

chart if it has any zeroes: one zero > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, House B, > > > House D, > > > > > and > > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is > > > definitely > > > > delay > > > > > due > > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning that > > > Saturn > > > > > causes > > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses A, B > > > and C. > > > > But > > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E.> > > > > > > > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th with 4 > > > points. > > > > > In > > > > > > lessons

it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay if > > > jupiter is > > > > > either > > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due to > > > jupiter > > > > with > > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will there be > > > delay > > > > > > considered in this case?> > > > > > > > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance after I get > > > my > > > > > doubts > > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest significator > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx> > > > > > Manoshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

"Manoshi > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of this > > > native > > > > > (female) > > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about the`life events > > > of > > > > > this > > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936> > > > > > > place :calcutta> > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >