Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Ramesh, I havent yet started timimg the marriage. just asking you a question. Is there any possiblity of the native's getting married more than once? ( may be marriage kind of relationships or even marriage?) will come back again later. --Manoshi , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002> wrote: > Dear Ash and Manoshi with list members, > This has reference to the native born on 19-Aug-1936.Once you know the time of event it becomes very simple to justify the event. I was also going through the analysis of this chart during my leisure period and I too find the full delay period and marriage could have happened in Rahu-Mer.But Manoshi is telling the event period in Rahu- Jup.So this is the point where we have to learn a lot.Second thing she is telling happy married life on the contrary I found disturbed married life.Still I have to raise the following points .the answers to those points is expected from Ash. > 1) I am getting lagna as 19 Ta 16 whereas Ash is getting lagna as 19 Ta 13, difference of 03 min.We r using the same program. Longitudes of other planets are exactly same. > 2) Why Ve and Sa combination in D9 is considered as 4:10 ? > 3) How Ra is SD to Me, is it due to D9 Lagna lord ? > 4) Ve is in upachaya from 6H in rasi chart. Why sixth house is focussed here ? > Now I am trying to justify the reason for marriage in Jup antra. I do not know I may be wrong also.Ash is here to correct me and teach me. Jup. is occupying 7H a house under consideration. Jup has acquired 4 bindus in house B which is just a neutral point and his aspect on lagna, LoB and house C .These all houses are upachaya houses from lagna.Marriage took place at the age of 25 years which is with a little delay according to Desh/Kaal/Paatra. > Now coming to the point of disturbed married life. When we consider the 100 point scale for marriage we are getting only 25 points which is very low from 50 points. According to Krushna ji's notes 25 points is an indicator of many disputes and differences of opinion for marriage. > Lastly I am giving a birth details of a male native who was born on 31-Jul-1946, > 08-00 AM at 24 N 46, 84 E 23 in India.Time zone is 5:30. Birth time difference may be +03 min.Can you please try the date of marriage ? > Thanks and regards, > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manoshi, > Yes, Correct. So 22 years was delayed marriage back then and add > delay of Ve of say 5-10% so delay period gets over when Ju antra > starts. > Ju antra can give marriage. It is powerful. > So here desh/kaal/paatra principal should be applied. > > This way you can solve charts, and learn from your mistakes and use > then or keep it in mind when solving other charts. > > So in theory we say that there was full delay which there was but > here I missed to apply the desh/kaal/paatra principal that was most > probably discussed in a discussion and Krushnaji had used that in > Late Peterji's chart when solving it too then as per WS we picked up > the proper significator to furnish the event. > > This was good learning for me, > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Manoshi > Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > the time is as recorded on that day (on 19th august 1936 ) and the > > time is 100% right. In West Bengal, in 60's later than 21-22 > would > > be considered as late marriage. So the lady in consideration gor > > married late according to those days. > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > , Ash <ashsam73> > wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi and Ramesh, > > > Thanks for the feedback. I have explained this umpteen times in > > the past about when Delay of Saturn gets over. Its in the > > archives. If you can look it up or someone can look it up for u > it > > will be good. > > > Right now we have just been advised to roughly consider delay > for > > each 0 as 10%. Exact computations have not been given by > Krushnaji > > so far. I beleive the exact delay for 0 might be based on Speed > of > > the planet. > > > For now I am using approximate vaues and for delay that Jupiter > > creates one has to be careful. The exact calculations again > > Krushnaji has not given us maybe in time he will give us but for > now > > again I am using approx values based on my experience for now. > > > > > > Can you answer 3 Question for me please. > > > > > > 1) The 11:45 pm time is it LMT or IST? > > > 2) How confident are you of this birth time? > > > 3) What would be called delayed marriage back in Calcutta in > 1936? > > > > > > Thanks for the chart, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > you said: > > > > > > " Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is there > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. " > > > > > > I want to understand this concept...how do you judge the > > percentage > > > of delay? > > > > > > She got married in January 1961. > > > > > > She was away from her husband for 3 months after marriage. She > has > > > a good married life (the charts of husband and wife have > > saturn/rahu- > > > mars in conjunction, mars-venus do not overlap or are not in > > > conjunction but are in 5:9) > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > Planet Degrees > > > > As 19 Ta 13 > > > > Su 4 Le 28 > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22 > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57 > > > > Me 27 Le 1 > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37 > > > > Ve 18 Le 37 > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45 > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34 > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34 > > > > > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born 19th > August > > > 1936 > > > > at calcutta at 23:45. > > > > > > > > Now here is my attempt. > > > > > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B and Ju > who > > is > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in this chart > due > > > to > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord Mercury so Ju > > is > > > > not delay causing in this case. > > > > > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a rare > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that Venus is > the > > > only > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house. > > > > > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV. > > > > > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon and 7th > are > > in > > > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 in Rasi. > > > > > > > > In Navamsa > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and Sa are in > > > 5:9, > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12. > > > > > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is also lagna > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in upchaya > from > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st. > > > > > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig zag > manner. > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 points in > SAV. > > > > > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more spending trend. > > > > > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period. > > > > > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is there > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. So when > > > delay > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md. > > > > > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's MD will > > give > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > Me antra is on at the end of delay period and at that time Sa > is > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe probems in > the > > > > family around that time and some stress related to that. > > > > > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak and placed > > in > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may give the > > > event > > > > but not full happiness from it. > > > > > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra i.e 1964- > Feb- > > 10 > > > > to 1966-Aug-29. > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > Chatterjee " wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members, > > > > > > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to analyse this > > > chart > > > > to > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the groups so > that > > it > > > > can > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would request Ash > and > > > > other > > > > > members to guide me through. > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at the chart if it has any zeroes: one zero > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, House B, House > > D, > > > > and > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is definitely > > > delay > > > > due > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning that > Saturn > > > > causes > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses A, B and > C. > > > But > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E. > > > > > > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th with 4 > > points. > > > > In > > > > > lessons it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay if jupiter > > is > > > > either > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due to > jupiter > > > with > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will there be delay > > > > > considered in this case? > > > > > > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance after I get > my > > > > doubts > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest significator > etc. > > > > > > > > > > Thanx > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > Chatterjee " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of this > native > > > > (female) > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about the`life events > of > > > > this > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936 > > > > > > place :calcutta > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Ramesh, Marriage should have taken place in the sun antra, moon dasa(KAY) which is 1973 April onwards( in the first sector probably). Now how I reached this conclusion. Please note that I am learning and am VERY NEW to timing the events. Ash and Krushnaji, correct me if I am wrong, and I havent done exact calculations either. My attempt: [ nervous already as I am..:-( ] Delay due to saturn: I find there is a full delay due to saturn which is 27.5 years but as the saturn is in 7 degrees, approximately we can say a few months less, so may be 27 years/26years 10 months delay. (Calculation not done). BECAUSE: saturn is in 12th house, is the lord of B, is aspecting house C and in navamsa is aspectimg house B and is with house A and C lord mercury. So full delay. what can check delay is the jupiter which is with Saturn in navamsa... (but not very sure how much). so the possiblity of getting married is after 27 years or a little less, which will be in sun antra (moon dasa). now why sun antra... sun is in house E( my doubt is as it is with the delay causing planet, will it not give marriage, but to be noted that saturn is also house B lord) , so should be eager to give marriage. another option is venus antra...but again, the delay period doesnt get over by then, so possibility is less. awaiting your feedback (keeping my fingers crossed) --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " ashsam73 " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > Planet Degrees > > > > > > As 19 Ta 13 > > > > > > Su 4 Le 28 > > > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22 > > > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57 > > > > > > Me 27 Le 1 > > > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37 > > > > > > Ve 18 Le 37 > > > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45 > > > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34 > > > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34 > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born 19th > > > August > > > > > 1936 > > > > > > at calcutta at 23:45. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here is my attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B and > Ju > > > who > > > > is > > > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in this > chart > > > due > > > > > to > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord Mercury > so > > Ju > > > > is > > > > > > not delay causing in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a rare > > > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that Venus > is > > > the > > > > > only > > > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon and > 7th > > > are > > > > in > > > > > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 in Rasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa > > > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and Sa > are > > in > > > > > 5:9, > > > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is also > > lagna > > > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in > upchaya > > > from > > > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st. > > > > > > > > > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig zag > > > manner. > > > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 points > in > > > SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more spending > trend. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is > > there > > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. So > when > > > > > delay > > > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's MD > will > > > > give > > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Me antra is on at the end of delay period and at that time > > Sa > > > is > > > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe probems > in > > > the > > > > > > family around that time and some stress related to that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak and > > placed > > > > in > > > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may give > > the > > > > > event > > > > > > but not full happiness from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra i.e > 1964- > > > Feb- > > > > 10 > > > > > > to 1966-Aug-29. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Manoshi > > > > > > Chatterjee " wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to analyse > > this > > > > > chart > > > > > > to > > > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the groups so > > > that > > > > it > > > > > > can > > > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would request > Ash > > > and > > > > > > other > > > > > > > members to guide me through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at the chart if it has any zeroes: one zero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, House B, > > House > > > > D, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is > > definitely > > > > > delay > > > > > > due > > > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning that > > > Saturn > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses A, B > > and > > > C. > > > > > But > > > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th with 4 > > > > points. > > > > > > In > > > > > > > lessons it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay if > > jupiter > > > > is > > > > > > either > > > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due to > > > jupiter > > > > > with > > > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will there be > > delay > > > > > > > considered in this case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance after I > get > > > my > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest > significator > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx > > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of this > > > native > > > > > > (female) > > > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about the`life > events > > > of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936 > > > > > > > > place :calcutta > > > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Hi Manoshi, Namaskar, Thanks for your practice.Actually marriage was performed on 28 Feb 1970 in Moon MD and Mercury AD. Moon is the lord of E aspecting house B from lagna and Mercury is occupying house E .Mercury is SD to Ketu who occupies house D. So I mean to say that after knowing the event one can justify the event by analysing it but prediction is not so easy. Only practice makes an astrologer perfect. Unless we discuss the topic at large we can not learn the subject.First point is how do we approach the delay period of 27.5 years or 22 years 7 month for Saturn.That is the first hurdle we have to cross. Untill we understand the reason we can not cross the hurdle and we may commit the mistake. That is why I asked Dear Ash Ji or Gurudev Shri Krushna Ji to make it clear. Till this time no response is received from anyone.However we must carry on.Thanks and regards. Ramesh MishraManoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa wrote: Dear Ramesh,Marriage should have taken place in the sun antra, moon dasa(KAY)which is 1973 April onwards( in the first sector probably). Now howI reached this conclusion. Please note that I am learning and amVERY NEW to timing the events. Ash and Krushnaji, correct me if Iam wrong, and I havent done exact calculations either. My attempt:[ nervous already as I am..:-( ]Delay due to saturn:I find there is a full delay due to saturn which is 27.5 years butas the saturn is in 7 degrees, approximately we can say a few monthsless, so may be 27 years/26years 10 months delay. (Calculation notdone). BECAUSE: saturn is in 12th house, is the lord of B, isaspecting house C and in navamsa is aspectimg house B and is withhouse A and C lord mercury. So full delay. what can check delay is thejupiter which is with Saturn in navamsa... (but not very sure howmuch). so the possiblity of getting married is after 27 years or alittle less, which will be in sun antra (moon dasa). now why sunantra...sun is in house E( my doubt is as it is with the delay causingplanet, will it not give marriage, but to be noted that saturn isalso house B lord) , so should be eager to give marriage.another option is venus antra...but again, the delay period doesntget over by then, so possibility is less.awaiting your feedback (keeping my fingers crossed)--Manoshi> > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Manoshi,> > > > > > Planet Degrees > > > > > > As 19 Ta 13 > > > > > > Su 4 Le 28 > > > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22 > > > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57 > > > > > > Me 27 Le 1 > > > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37 > > > > > > Ve 18 Le 37 > > > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45 > > > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34 > > > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34 > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born 19th > > > August > > > > > 1936 > > > > > > at calcutta at 23:45.> > > > > > > > > > > > Now here is my attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B and > Ju > > > who > > > > is > > > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in this > chart > > > due > > > > > to > > > > > > Sa.> > > > > > > > > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord Mercury > so > > Ju > > > > is > > > > > > not delay causing in this case.> > > > > > > > > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a rare > > > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that Venus > is > > > the > > > > > only > > > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon and > 7th > > > are > > > > in > > > > > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 in Rasi.> > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa > > > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and Sa > are > > in > > > > > 5:9, > > > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12.> > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is also > > lagna > > > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in > upchaya > > > from > > > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st. > > > > > > > > > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig zag > > > manner. > > > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 points > in > > > SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more spending > trend.> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is > > there > > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. So > when > > > > > delay > > > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md.> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's MD > will > > > > give > > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > Me antra is on at the end of delay period and at that time > > Sa > > > is > > > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe probems > in > > > the > > > > > > family around that time and some stress related to that.> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak and > > placed > > > > in > > > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may give > > the > > > > > event > > > > > > but not full happiness from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra i.e > 1964-> > > Feb-> > > > 10 > > > > > > to 1966-Aug-29.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > Ash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > > > > Chatterjee" wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to analyse > > this > > > > > chart > > > > > > to > > > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the groups so > > > that > > > > it > > > > > > can > > > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would request > Ash > > > and > > > > > > other > > > > > > > members to guide me through.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at the chart if it has any zeroes: one zero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, House B, > > House > > > > D, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is > > definitely > > > > > delay > > > > > > due > > > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning that > > > Saturn > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses A, B > > and > > > C. > > > > > But > > > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th with 4 > > > > points. > > > > > > In > > > > > > > lessons it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay if > > jupiter > > > > is > > > > > > either > > > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due to > > > jupiter > > > > > with > > > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will there be > > delay > > > > > > > considered in this case?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance after I > get > > > my > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest > significator > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx> > > > > > > Manoshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of this > > > native > > > > > > (female) > > > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about the`life > events > > > of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936> > > > > > > > place :calcutta> > > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 yes you are right Ramesh, analysing is easy, like why it could have happened, but to actually predict is not that easy. I think not only enough practice but also some kind of intuitive/god gifted qualities have to be there. Now after knowing the results, its fun to ANALYSE ;-) I would request Krushna ji to please guide the way for us. regards Manoshi , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002> wrote: > Hi Manoshi, Namaskar, > Thanks for your practice.Actually marriage was performed on 28 Feb 1970 in Moon MD and Mercury AD. Moon is the lord of E aspecting house B from lagna and Mercury is occupying house E .Mercury is SD to Ketu who occupies house D. > So I mean to say that after knowing the event one can justify the event by analysing it but prediction is not so easy. Only practice makes an astrologer perfect. Unless we discuss the topic at large we can not learn the subject.First point is how do we approach the delay period of 27.5 years or 22 years 7 month for Saturn.That is the first hurdle we have to cross. Untill we understand the reason we can not cross the hurdle and we may commit the mistake. That is why I asked Dear Ash Ji or Gurudev Shri Krushna Ji to make it clear. Till this time no response is received from anyone.However we must carry on.Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > Marriage should have taken place in the sun antra, moon dasa(KAY) > which is 1973 April onwards( in the first sector probably). Now how > I reached this conclusion. Please note that I am learning and am > VERY NEW to timing the events. Ash and Krushnaji, correct me if I > am wrong, and I havent done exact calculations either. My attempt: > [ nervous already as I am..:-( ] > > Delay due to saturn: > > I find there is a full delay due to saturn which is 27.5 years but > as the saturn is in 7 degrees, approximately we can say a few months > less, so may be 27 years/26years 10 months delay. (Calculation not > done). BECAUSE: saturn is in 12th house, is the lord of B, is > aspecting house C and in navamsa is aspectimg house B and is with > house A and C lord mercury. So full delay. what can check delay is > the > jupiter which is with Saturn in navamsa... (but not very sure how > much). so the possiblity of getting married is after 27 years or a > little less, which will be in sun antra (moon dasa). now why sun > antra... > > sun is in house E( my doubt is as it is with the delay causing > planet, will it not give marriage, but to be noted that saturn is > also house B lord) , so should be eager to give marriage. > > another option is venus antra...but again, the delay period doesnt > get over by then, so possibility is less. > > awaiting your feedback (keeping my fingers crossed) > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > Planet Degrees > > > > > > > As 19 Ta 13 > > > > > > > Su 4 Le 28 > > > > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22 > > > > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57 > > > > > > > Me 27 Le 1 > > > > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37 > > > > > > > Ve 18 Le 37 > > > > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45 > > > > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34 > > > > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born 19th > > > > August > > > > > > 1936 > > > > > > > at calcutta at 23:45. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here is my attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B and > > Ju > > > > who > > > > > is > > > > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in this > > chart > > > > due > > > > > > to > > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord Mercury > > so > > > Ju > > > > > is > > > > > > > not delay causing in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a > rare > > > > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that Venus > > is > > > > the > > > > > > only > > > > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon and > > 7th > > > > are > > > > > in > > > > > > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 in > Rasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa > > > > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and Sa > > are > > > in > > > > > > 5:9, > > > > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is also > > > lagna > > > > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in > > upchaya > > > > from > > > > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig zag > > > > manner. > > > > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 points > > in > > > > SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more spending > > trend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is > > > there > > > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. So > > when > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's MD > > will > > > > > give > > > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me antra is on at the end of delay period and at that > time > > > Sa > > > > is > > > > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe > probems > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > family around that time and some stress related to that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak and > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may > give > > > the > > > > > > event > > > > > > > but not full happiness from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra i.e > > 1964- > > > > Feb- > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > to 1966-Aug-29. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " Manoshi > > > > > > > Chatterjee " wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to analyse > > > this > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the groups > so > > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would request > > Ash > > > > and > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > members to guide me through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at the chart if it has any zeroes: one zero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, House B, > > > House > > > > > D, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is > > > definitely > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning that > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses A, > B > > > and > > > > C. > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th with > 4 > > > > > points. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > lessons it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay if > > > jupiter > > > > > is > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due to > > > > jupiter > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will there be > > > delay > > > > > > > > considered in this case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance after I > > get > > > > my > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest > > significator > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx > > > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of this > > > > native > > > > > > > (female) > > > > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about the`life > > events > > > > of > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936 > > > > > > > > > place :calcutta > > > > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Dear Ramesh, Kindly refer to all mails in the list. Have you checked message /message/9011 I had replied giving detailed calculations for the questions asked by you. I also did exact calculations and came to 3rd July 1970 and gave my reasoning as to why I picked Ketu antra instead of MErcury and also gave my reasoning for the decision point I had reached. Now I took exact dates here and I divided the delay given by Jupiter by half. Please refer to message 9011 again and go through it carefully. W.r.t your other questions I will answer them in CAPS below. I agreed and I have also mentioned in an earlier post .. There can be no substitue for practice and experience. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002> wrote: > Hi Manoshi, Namaskar, > Thanks for your practice.Actually marriage was performed on 28 Feb 1970 in Moon MD and Mercury AD. Moon is the lord of E aspecting house B from lagna and Mercury is occupying house E .Mercury is SD to Ketu who occupies house D. ASH : IN OUR SYSTEM OF KAS PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES DO NOT GIVE RESULTS THEIR SD'S WILL. THE EXCEPTION IS LOD OR LOE. HOW CAN ME OR ANY PLANET BE SD TO KETU ? KETU IS A GRAHA AND KETU BECOMES SD TO SIGN LORD AND NAKSHTRA LORD. SAME FOR RAHU. IN THE CASE GIVEN, I HAVE GIVEN THE REASONING FOR WHY MERCURY ANTRA CAN GIVE MARRIAGE REFER TO MESSAGE NUMBER 9011. HOWEVER I ALSO GAVE THE REASON WHERE I REACHED A DECISION POINT AND PREFERED TO GO WITH KETU INSTEAD OF MERCURY ANTAR AS HALF OF MERCURY ANTRA HAD ELAPSED. HOWEVER WITH YOUR ANSWER I GOT TO LEARN. SO THANK U AND ITS MUCH APPRECIATED. > So I mean to say that after knowing the event one can justify the event by analysing it but prediction is not so easy. Only practice makes an astrologer perfect. Unless we discuss the topic at large we can not learn the subject. ASH : YOU GAVE A BLIND CHART WITH NO EVENTS AND YOUR WORD THAT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE OF +/- 3 MINS. WITH THAT MANOSHI AND MYSELF ATTEMPTED THE CHART. YOU ALSO HAD NOT GIVEN ANY EVENTS TO VERIFY THE CHART. First point is how do we approach the delay period of 27.5 years or 22 years 7 month for Saturn.That is the first hurdle we have to cross. ASH : RAMESH, I THINK ITS BETTER TO READ THE MAILS THAT MANOSHI HAS GIVEN IN HER MAIL. THE EXACT DATE GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI WHEN DELAY WAS OVER WAS 25TH JAN AND MARRIAGE HAPPENED ON 26TH JAN. IN AN EARLIER MAIL I ALSO HAD COMPUTED 25TH JAN. SO BOTH KRUSHNAJI AND MYSELF HAD COME TO THE EXACT SAME DATE. OFCOURSE I HAVE FOLLOWED THE LESSONS GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI SO I AM HAPPY THAT I WAS ON THE RIGHT TRACK. Untill we understand the reason we can not cross the hurdle and we may commit the mistake. That is why I asked Dear Ash Ji or Gurudev Shri Krushna Ji to make it clear. ASH : THE REASON IS GIVEN IN MESSAGE 9011. Till this time no response is received from anyone. ASH : PLEASE VERIFY THE FACTS. MANOSHI AND MYSELF HAVE ATTEMPTED THE CHART. However we must carry on. ASH : YES. THE MORE CHARTS WE SOLVE THE MORE WE ALL WILL LEARN. THE MORE MISTAKES WE MAKE THE MORE WE SHALL LEARN FROM THEM TOO. Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > THANKS FOR GIVING THE CHART AND HELPING ALL LEARN. CHEERS !!! ASH > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > Marriage should have taken place in the sun antra, moon dasa(KAY) > which is 1973 April onwards( in the first sector probably). Now how > I reached this conclusion. Please note that I am learning and am > VERY NEW to timing the events. Ash and Krushnaji, correct me if I > am wrong, and I havent done exact calculations either. My attempt: > [ nervous already as I am..:-( ] > > Delay due to saturn: > > I find there is a full delay due to saturn which is 27.5 years but > as the saturn is in 7 degrees, approximately we can say a few months > less, so may be 27 years/26years 10 months delay. (Calculation not > done). BECAUSE: saturn is in 12th house, is the lord of B, is > aspecting house C and in navamsa is aspectimg house B and is with > house A and C lord mercury. So full delay. what can check delay is > the > jupiter which is with Saturn in navamsa... (but not very sure how > much). so the possiblity of getting married is after 27 years or a > little less, which will be in sun antra (moon dasa). now why sun > antra... > > sun is in house E( my doubt is as it is with the delay causing > planet, will it not give marriage, but to be noted that saturn is > also house B lord) , so should be eager to give marriage. > > another option is venus antra...but again, the delay period doesnt > get over by then, so possibility is less. > > awaiting your feedback (keeping my fingers crossed) > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > Planet Degrees > > > > > > > As 19 Ta 13 > > > > > > > Su 4 Le 28 > > > > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22 > > > > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57 > > > > > > > Me 27 Le 1 > > > > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37 > > > > > > > Ve 18 Le 37 > > > > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45 > > > > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34 > > > > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born 19th > > > > August > > > > > > 1936 > > > > > > > at calcutta at 23:45. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here is my attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B and > > Ju > > > > who > > > > > is > > > > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in this > > chart > > > > due > > > > > > to > > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord Mercury > > so > > > Ju > > > > > is > > > > > > > not delay causing in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a > rare > > > > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that Venus > > is > > > > the > > > > > > only > > > > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon and > > 7th > > > > are > > > > > in > > > > > > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 in > Rasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa > > > > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and Sa > > are > > > in > > > > > > 5:9, > > > > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is also > > > lagna > > > > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in > > upchaya > > > > from > > > > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig zag > > > > manner. > > > > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 points > > in > > > > SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more spending > > trend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is > > > there > > > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. So > > when > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's MD > > will > > > > > give > > > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me antra is on at the end of delay period and at that > time > > > Sa > > > > is > > > > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe > probems > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > family around that time and some stress related to that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak and > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may > give > > > the > > > > > > event > > > > > > > but not full happiness from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra i.e > > 1964- > > > > Feb- > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > to 1966-Aug-29. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " Manoshi > > > > > > > Chatterjee " wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to analyse > > > this > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the groups > so > > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would request > > Ash > > > > and > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > members to guide me through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at the chart if it has any zeroes: one zero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, House B, > > > House > > > > > D, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is > > > definitely > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning that > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses A, > B > > > and > > > > C. > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th with > 4 > > > > > points. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > lessons it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay if > > > jupiter > > > > > is > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due to > > > > jupiter > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will there be > > > delay > > > > > > > > considered in this case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance after I > > get > > > > my > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest > > significator > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx > > > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of this > > > > native > > > > > > > (female) > > > > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about the`life > > events > > > > of > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936 > > > > > > > > > place :calcutta > > > > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Dear Ash, Namaskar, Many many thanks for the reply. Actually I did not receive the msg no.9011 in my mail box. Msg no.8993 was received and I read it. Regret to inform that the concept of delay factor is still not clear to me however I will do some exercise practically then it will be clear. Due to lack of time I am unable to devote on the subject so my train runs like a passenger train. One thing I want to clear from you in case of SD. as I wote in my previous mail that Me is SD to Ketu . Ketu is in scorpio and in the nakshtra of jyestha whose lord is Mercury.So my point is whether Me & Ma is SD to Ketu or Ketu is SD to Ma & Me.. In my opinion Ma & Me should be SD to Ketu . Thanks once again and regards. Ramesh Mishraashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh,Kindly refer to all mails in the list. Have you checked message /message/9011I had replied giving detailed calculations for the questions asked by you.I also did exact calculations and came to 3rd July 1970 and gave my reasoning as to why I picked Ketu antra instead of MErcury and also gave my reasoning for the decision point I had reached.Now I took exact dates here and I divided the delay given by Jupiter by half. Please refer to message 9011 again and go through it carefully.W.r.t your other questions I will answer them in CAPS below.I agreed and I have also mentioned in an earlier post .. There can be no substitue for practice and experience.Cheers !!!Ash , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002> wrote:> Hi Manoshi, Namaskar,> Thanks for your practice.Actually marriage was performed on 28 Feb 1970 in Moon MD and Mercury AD. Moon is the lord of E aspecting house B from lagna and Mercury is occupying house E .Mercury is SD to Ketu who occupies house D.ASH : IN OUR SYSTEM OF KAS PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES DO NOT GIVE RESULTS THEIR SD'S WILL. THE EXCEPTION IS LOD OR LOE.HOW CAN ME OR ANY PLANET BE SD TO KETU ? KETU IS A GRAHA AND KETU BECOMES SD TO SIGN LORD AND NAKSHTRA LORD. SAME FOR RAHU.IN THE CASE GIVEN, I HAVE GIVEN THE REASONING FOR WHY MERCURY ANTRA CAN GIVE MARRIAGE REFER TO MESSAGE NUMBER 9011. HOWEVER I ALSO GAVE THE REASON WHERE I REACHED A DECISION POINT AND PREFERED TO GO WITH KETU INSTEAD OF MERCURY ANTAR AS HALF OF MERCURY ANTRA HAD ELAPSED. HOWEVER WITH YOUR ANSWER I GOT TO LEARN. SO THANK U AND ITS MUCH APPRECIATED.> So I mean to say that after knowing the event one can justify the event by analysing it but prediction is not so easy. Only practice makes an astrologer perfect. Unless we discuss the topic at large we can not learn the subject.ASH : YOU GAVE A BLIND CHART WITH NO EVENTS AND YOUR WORD THAT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE OF +/- 3 MINS. WITH THAT MANOSHI AND MYSELF ATTEMPTED THE CHART. YOU ALSO HAD NOT GIVEN ANY EVENTS TO VERIFY THE CHART. First point is how do we approach the delay period of 27.5 years or 22 years 7 month for Saturn.That is the first hurdle we have to cross. ASH : RAMESH, I THINK ITS BETTER TO READ THE MAILS THAT MANOSHI HAS GIVEN IN HER MAIL. THE EXACT DATE GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI WHEN DELAY WAS OVER WAS 25TH JAN AND MARRIAGE HAPPENED ON 26TH JAN.IN AN EARLIER MAIL I ALSO HAD COMPUTED 25TH JAN. SO BOTH KRUSHNAJI AND MYSELF HAD COME TO THE EXACT SAME DATE. OFCOURSE I HAVE FOLLOWED THE LESSONS GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI SO I AM HAPPY THAT I WAS ON THE RIGHT TRACK.Untill we understand the reason we can not cross the hurdle and we may commit the mistake. That is why I asked Dear Ash Ji or Gurudev Shri Krushna Ji to make it clear.ASH : THE REASON IS GIVEN IN MESSAGE 9011. Till this time no response is received from anyone.ASH : PLEASE VERIFY THE FACTS. MANOSHI AND MYSELF HAVE ATTEMPTED THE CHART. However we must carry on.ASH : YES. THE MORE CHARTS WE SOLVE THE MORE WE ALL WILL LEARN. THE MORE MISTAKES WE MAKE THE MORE WE SHALL LEARN FROM THEM TOO.Thanks and regards.> Ramesh Mishra> THANKS FOR GIVING THE CHART AND HELPING ALL LEARN.CHEERS !!!ASH> Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote:> Dear Ramesh,> > Marriage should have taken place in the sun antra, moon dasa(KAY)> which is 1973 April onwards( in the first sector probably). Now how> I reached this conclusion. Please note that I am learning and am> VERY NEW to timing the events. Ash and Krushnaji, correct me if I> am wrong, and I havent done exact calculations either. My attempt:> [ nervous already as I am..:-( ]> > Delay due to saturn:> > I find there is a full delay due to saturn which is 27.5 years but> as the saturn is in 7 degrees, approximately we can say a few months> less, so may be 27 years/26years 10 months delay. (Calculation not> done). BECAUSE: saturn is in 12th house, is the lord of B, is> aspecting house C and in navamsa is aspectimg house B and is with> house A and C lord mercury. So full delay. what can check delay is > the> jupiter which is with Saturn in navamsa... (but not very sure how> much). so the possiblity of getting married is after 27 years or a> little less, which will be in sun antra (moon dasa). now why sun> antra...> > sun is in house E( my doubt is as it is with the delay causing> planet, will it not give marriage, but to be noted that saturn is> also house B lord) , so should be eager to give marriage.> > another option is venus antra...but again, the delay period doesnt> get over by then, so possibility is less.> > awaiting your feedback (keeping my fingers crossed)> > --Manoshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Manoshi,> > > > > > > Planet Degrees > > > > > > > As 19 Ta 13 > > > > > > > Su 4 Le 28 > > > > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22 > > > > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57 > > > > > > > Me 27 Le 1 > > > > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37 > > > > > > > Ve 18 Le 37 > > > > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45 > > > > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34 > > > > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born 19th > > > > August > > > > > > 1936 > > > > > > > at calcutta at 23:45.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here is my attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B and > > Ju > > > > who > > > > > is > > > > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in this > > chart > > > > due > > > > > > to > > > > > > > Sa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord Mercury > > so > > > Ju > > > > > is > > > > > > > not delay causing in this case.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a > rare > > > > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that Venus > > is > > > > the > > > > > > only > > > > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon and > > 7th > > > > are > > > > > in > > > > > > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 in > Rasi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa > > > > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and Sa > > are > > > in > > > > > > 5:9, > > > > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is also > > > lagna > > > > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in > > upchaya > > > > from > > > > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig zag > > > > manner. > > > > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 points > > in > > > > SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more spending > > trend.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay is > > > there > > > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. So > > when > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's MD > > will > > > > > give > > > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me antra is on at the end of delay period and at that > time > > > Sa > > > > is > > > > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe > probems > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > family around that time and some stress related to that.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak and > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may > give > > > the > > > > > > event > > > > > > > but not full happiness from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra i.e > > 1964-> > > > Feb-> > > > > 10 > > > > > > > to 1966-Aug-29.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > Ash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > > > > > Chatterjee" wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to analyse > > > this > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the groups > so > > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would request > > Ash > > > > and > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > members to guide me through.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at the chart if it has any zeroes: one zero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, House B, > > > House > > > > > D, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is > > > definitely > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning that > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses A, > B > > > and > > > > C. > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th with > 4 > > > > > points. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > lessons it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay if > > > jupiter > > > > > is > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due to > > > > jupiter > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will there be > > > delay > > > > > > > > considered in this case?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance after I > > get > > > > my > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest > > significator > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx> > > > > > > > Manoshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of this > > > > native > > > > > > > (female) > > > > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about the`life > > events > > > > of > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936> > > > > > > > > place :calcutta> > > > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Dear Ramesh, Ketu and Rahu are grahas. They do not have any form. Rahu and Ketu become SD to sign lord and nakshtra lord. Now in the case u gave that Ke is in sign of mars and nakshtra of Mercury. So Ketu will become SD to Mars and Mercury. Who it will more act like you can find from the SAV. So say If Ketu is situated in 1st house which is Sco and in nak of Jayeshta then Ketu will be SD to Ma and Me. Now next step is to check the SAV and see how many points are contributed my Mars and Mercury for 1st house. Based on that you can judge who Ketu will act more like. Same for Rahu. Rahu and Ketu in House D or E are eager to give results (This is given in lessons). I hope that is clear. w.r.t delay its straight forward. Shani aspecting House A,B or C or their lords then this Shani will cause full delay. This delay is based on the degree. So say if Shani is in 12 deg in gemini then delay will be over when shani comes to 0 deg in taurus. So as a thumb rule we say that delay will be over when Sa comes to (27.5 - 12 months) = 26.5 years And if u really want to be exact then find out when Shani EXACTLY comes to 0 degrees Taurus. There maybe some difference from 26.5 years. Once we find the proper antra that can give marriage then we use the sectors and then finally the transit of sun to hone into the proper time of marriage or probable days. If shani is at 24 degrees in Gemini then also FULL delay will be over when Shani comes to 0 deg Taurus. Now as a thumb rule we say delay is (27.5 years - 2 years) = 25.5 years. If you want to find exactly then you will find when Shani will come EXACTLY to 0 deg Taurus. Think over it and read the lessons carefully. It will come to you. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002> wrote: > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Many many thanks for the reply. Actually I did not receive the msg no.9011 in my mail box. Msg no.8993 was received and I read it. Regret to inform that the concept of delay factor is still not clear to me however I will do some exercise practically then it will be clear. Due to lack of time I am unable to devote on the subject so my train runs like a passenger train. > One thing I want to clear from you in case of SD. as I wote in my previous mail that Me is SD to Ketu . Ketu is in scorpio and in the nakshtra of jyestha whose lord is Mercury.So my point is whether Me & Ma is SD to Ketu or Ketu is SD to Ma & Me.. In my opinion Ma & Me should be SD to Ketu . > Thanks once again and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > Kindly refer to all mails in the list. Have you checked message > > /message/9011 > > I had replied giving detailed calculations for the questions asked > by you. > > I also did exact calculations and came to 3rd July 1970 and gave my > reasoning as to why I picked Ketu antra instead of MErcury and also > gave my reasoning for the decision point I had reached. > > Now I took exact dates here and I divided the delay given by Jupiter > by half. Please refer to message 9011 again and go through it > carefully. > > W.r.t your other questions I will answer them in CAPS below. > > I agreed and I have also mentioned in an earlier post .. There can > be no substitue for practice and experience. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002> wrote: > > Hi Manoshi, Namaskar, > > Thanks for your practice.Actually marriage was performed on 28 Feb > 1970 in Moon MD and Mercury AD. Moon is the lord of E aspecting > house B from lagna and Mercury is occupying house E .Mercury is SD > to Ketu who occupies house D. > > ASH : IN OUR SYSTEM OF KAS PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR > HOUSES DO NOT GIVE RESULTS THEIR SD'S WILL. THE EXCEPTION IS LOD OR > LOE. > > HOW CAN ME OR ANY PLANET BE SD TO KETU ? KETU IS A GRAHA AND KETU > BECOMES SD TO SIGN LORD AND NAKSHTRA LORD. SAME FOR RAHU. > > IN THE CASE GIVEN, I HAVE GIVEN THE REASONING FOR WHY MERCURY ANTRA > CAN GIVE MARRIAGE REFER TO MESSAGE NUMBER 9011. HOWEVER I ALSO GAVE > THE REASON WHERE I REACHED A DECISION POINT AND PREFERED TO GO WITH > KETU INSTEAD OF MERCURY ANTAR AS HALF OF MERCURY ANTRA HAD ELAPSED. > > HOWEVER WITH YOUR ANSWER I GOT TO LEARN. SO THANK U AND ITS MUCH > APPRECIATED. > > > > So I mean to say that after knowing the event one can justify the > event by analysing it but prediction is not so easy. Only practice > makes an astrologer perfect. Unless we discuss the topic at large we > can not learn the subject. > > ASH : YOU GAVE A BLIND CHART WITH NO EVENTS AND YOUR WORD THAT THERE > WAS A DIFFERENCE OF +/- 3 MINS. WITH THAT MANOSHI AND MYSELF > ATTEMPTED THE CHART. YOU ALSO HAD NOT GIVEN ANY EVENTS TO VERIFY > THE CHART. > > First point is how do we approach the delay period of 27.5 years or > 22 years 7 month for Saturn.That is the first hurdle we have to > cross. > > ASH : RAMESH, I THINK ITS BETTER TO READ THE MAILS THAT MANOSHI HAS > GIVEN IN HER MAIL. THE EXACT DATE GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI WHEN DELAY WAS > OVER WAS 25TH JAN AND MARRIAGE HAPPENED ON 26TH JAN. > IN AN EARLIER MAIL I ALSO HAD COMPUTED 25TH JAN. SO BOTH KRUSHNAJI > AND MYSELF HAD COME TO THE EXACT SAME DATE. OFCOURSE I HAVE > FOLLOWED THE LESSONS GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI SO I AM HAPPY THAT I WAS ON > THE RIGHT TRACK. > > Untill we understand the reason we can not cross the hurdle and we > may commit the mistake. That is why I asked Dear Ash Ji or Gurudev > Shri Krushna Ji to make it clear. > > ASH : THE REASON IS GIVEN IN MESSAGE 9011. > > Till this time no response is received from anyone. > > ASH : PLEASE VERIFY THE FACTS. MANOSHI AND MYSELF HAVE ATTEMPTED > THE CHART. > > However we must carry on. > > ASH : YES. THE MORE CHARTS WE SOLVE THE MORE WE ALL WILL LEARN. > THE MORE MISTAKES WE MAKE THE MORE WE SHALL LEARN FROM THEM TOO. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > THANKS FOR GIVING THE CHART AND HELPING ALL LEARN. > > CHEERS !!! > ASH > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Marriage should have taken place in the sun antra, moon dasa(KAY) > > which is 1973 April onwards( in the first sector probably). Now how > > I reached this conclusion. Please note that I am learning and am > > VERY NEW to timing the events. Ash and Krushnaji, correct me if I > > am wrong, and I havent done exact calculations either. My attempt: > > [ nervous already as I am..:-( ] > > > > Delay due to saturn: > > > > I find there is a full delay due to saturn which is 27.5 years but > > as the saturn is in 7 degrees, approximately we can say a few > months > > less, so may be 27 years/26years 10 months delay. (Calculation not > > done). BECAUSE: saturn is in 12th house, is the lord of B, is > > aspecting house C and in navamsa is aspectimg house B and is with > > house A and C lord mercury. So full delay. what can check delay is > > the > > jupiter which is with Saturn in navamsa... (but not very sure how > > much). so the possiblity of getting married is after 27 years or a > > little less, which will be in sun antra (moon dasa). now why sun > > antra... > > > > sun is in house E( my doubt is as it is with the delay causing > > planet, will it not give marriage, but to be noted that saturn is > > also house B lord) , so should be eager to give marriage. > > > > another option is venus antra...but again, the delay period doesnt > > get over by then, so possibility is less. > > > > awaiting your feedback (keeping my fingers crossed) > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > Planet Degrees > > > > > > > > As 19 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > Su 4 Le 28 > > > > > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22 > > > > > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57 > > > > > > > > Me 27 Le 1 > > > > > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37 > > > > > > > > Ve 18 Le 37 > > > > > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45 > > > > > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34 > > > > > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born > 19th > > > > > August > > > > > > > 1936 > > > > > > > > at calcutta at 23:45. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here is my attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B > and > > > Ju > > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in this > > > chart > > > > > due > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord > Mercury > > > so > > > > Ju > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not delay causing in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a > > rare > > > > > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that > Venus > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon > and > > > 7th > > > > > are > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 in > > Rasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa > > > > > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and > Sa > > > are > > > > in > > > > > > > 5:9, > > > > > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is > also > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in > > > upchaya > > > > > from > > > > > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig > zag > > > > > manner. > > > > > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 > points > > > in > > > > > SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more spending > > > trend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay > is > > > > there > > > > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. > So > > > when > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's > MD > > > will > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me antra is on at the end of delay period and at that > > time > > > > Sa > > > > > is > > > > > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe > > probems > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > family around that time and some stress related to > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak > and > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may > > give > > > > the > > > > > > > event > > > > > > > > but not full happiness from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra i.e > > > 1964- > > > > > Feb- > > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > to 1966-Aug-29. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " Manoshi > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to > analyse > > > > this > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the > groups > > so > > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would > request > > > Ash > > > > > and > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > members to guide me through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at the chart if it has any zeroes: one > zero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, House > B, > > > > House > > > > > > D, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is > > > > definitely > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning > that > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses > A, > > B > > > > and > > > > > C. > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th > with > > 4 > > > > > > points. > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > lessons it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay if > > > > jupiter > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due > to > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will there > be > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > considered in this case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance after > I > > > get > > > > > my > > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest > > > significator > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx > > > > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of > this > > > > > native > > > > > > > > (female) > > > > > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about the`life > > > events > > > > > of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936 > > > > > > > > > > place :calcutta > > > > > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Thanks Ash. See you again. Ramesh Mishraashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh,Ketu and Rahu are grahas. They do not have any form. Rahu and Ketu become SD to sign lord and nakshtra lord.Now in the case u gave that Ke is in sign of mars and nakshtra of Mercury.So Ketu will become SD to Mars and Mercury.Who it will more act like you can find from the SAV. So say If Ketu is situated in 1st house which is Sco and in nak of Jayeshta then Ketu will be SD to Ma and Me. Now next step is to check the SAV and see how many points are contributed my Mars and Mercury for 1st house. Based on that you can judge who Ketu will act more like. Same for Rahu.Rahu and Ketu in House D or E are eager to give results (This is given in lessons).I hope that is clear.w.r.t delay its straight forward. Shani aspecting House A,B or C or their lords then this Shani will cause full delay.This delay is based on the degree.So say if Shani is in 12 deg in gemini then delay will be over when shani comes to 0 deg in taurus.So as a thumb rule we say that delay will be over when Sa comes to (27.5 - 12 months) = 26.5 years And if u really want to be exact then find out when Shani EXACTLY comes to 0 degrees Taurus. There maybe some difference from 26.5 years. Once we find the proper antra that can give marriage then we use the sectors and then finally the transit of sun to hone into the proper time of marriage or probable days.If shani is at 24 degrees in Gemini then also FULL delay will be over when Shani comes to 0 deg Taurus.Now as a thumb rule we say delay is (27.5 years - 2 years) = 25.5 years.If you want to find exactly then you will find when Shani will come EXACTLY to 0 deg Taurus. Think over it and read the lessons carefully. It will come to you. Cheers !!!Ash , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002> wrote:> Dear Ash, Namaskar,> Many many thanks for the reply. Actually I did not receive the msg no.9011 in my mail box. Msg no.8993 was received and I read it. Regret to inform that the concept of delay factor is still not clear to me however I will do some exercise practically then it will be clear. Due to lack of time I am unable to devote on the subject so my train runs like a passenger train.> One thing I want to clear from you in case of SD. as I wote in my previous mail that Me is SD to Ketu . Ketu is in scorpio and in the nakshtra of jyestha whose lord is Mercury.So my point is whether Me & Ma is SD to Ketu or Ketu is SD to Ma & Me.. In my opinion Ma & Me should be SD to Ketu .> Thanks once again and regards.> Ramesh Mishra> > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote:> Dear Ramesh,> Kindly refer to all mails in the list. Have you checked message > > /message/9011> > I had replied giving detailed calculations for the questions asked > by you.> > I also did exact calculations and came to 3rd July 1970 and gave my > reasoning as to why I picked Ketu antra instead of MErcury and also > gave my reasoning for the decision point I had reached.> > Now I took exact dates here and I divided the delay given by Jupiter > by half. Please refer to message 9011 again and go through it > carefully.> > W.r.t your other questions I will answer them in CAPS below.> > I agreed and I have also mentioned in an earlier post .. There can > be no substitue for practice and experience.> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002> wrote:> > Hi Manoshi, Namaskar,> > Thanks for your practice.Actually marriage was performed on 28 Feb > 1970 in Moon MD and Mercury AD. Moon is the lord of E aspecting > house B from lagna and Mercury is occupying house E .Mercury is SD > to Ketu who occupies house D.> > ASH : IN OUR SYSTEM OF KAS PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR > HOUSES DO NOT GIVE RESULTS THEIR SD'S WILL. THE EXCEPTION IS LOD OR > LOE.> > HOW CAN ME OR ANY PLANET BE SD TO KETU ? KETU IS A GRAHA AND KETU > BECOMES SD TO SIGN LORD AND NAKSHTRA LORD. SAME FOR RAHU.> > IN THE CASE GIVEN, I HAVE GIVEN THE REASONING FOR WHY MERCURY ANTRA > CAN GIVE MARRIAGE REFER TO MESSAGE NUMBER 9011. HOWEVER I ALSO GAVE > THE REASON WHERE I REACHED A DECISION POINT AND PREFERED TO GO WITH > KETU INSTEAD OF MERCURY ANTAR AS HALF OF MERCURY ANTRA HAD ELAPSED. > > HOWEVER WITH YOUR ANSWER I GOT TO LEARN. SO THANK U AND ITS MUCH > APPRECIATED.> > > > So I mean to say that after knowing the event one can justify the > event by analysing it but prediction is not so easy. Only practice > makes an astrologer perfect. Unless we discuss the topic at large we > can not learn the subject.> > ASH : YOU GAVE A BLIND CHART WITH NO EVENTS AND YOUR WORD THAT THERE > WAS A DIFFERENCE OF +/- 3 MINS. WITH THAT MANOSHI AND MYSELF > ATTEMPTED THE CHART. YOU ALSO HAD NOT GIVEN ANY EVENTS TO VERIFY > THE CHART. > > First point is how do we approach the delay period of 27.5 years or > 22 years 7 month for Saturn.That is the first hurdle we have to > cross. > > ASH : RAMESH, I THINK ITS BETTER TO READ THE MAILS THAT MANOSHI HAS > GIVEN IN HER MAIL. THE EXACT DATE GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI WHEN DELAY WAS > OVER WAS 25TH JAN AND MARRIAGE HAPPENED ON 26TH JAN.> IN AN EARLIER MAIL I ALSO HAD COMPUTED 25TH JAN. SO BOTH KRUSHNAJI > AND MYSELF HAD COME TO THE EXACT SAME DATE. OFCOURSE I HAVE > FOLLOWED THE LESSONS GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI SO I AM HAPPY THAT I WAS ON > THE RIGHT TRACK.> > Untill we understand the reason we can not cross the hurdle and we > may commit the mistake. That is why I asked Dear Ash Ji or Gurudev > Shri Krushna Ji to make it clear.> > ASH : THE REASON IS GIVEN IN MESSAGE 9011. > > Till this time no response is received from anyone.> > ASH : PLEASE VERIFY THE FACTS. MANOSHI AND MYSELF HAVE ATTEMPTED > THE CHART. > > However we must carry on.> > ASH : YES. THE MORE CHARTS WE SOLVE THE MORE WE ALL WILL LEARN. > THE MORE MISTAKES WE MAKE THE MORE WE SHALL LEARN FROM THEM TOO.> > Thanks and regards.> > Ramesh Mishra> > > > THANKS FOR GIVING THE CHART AND HELPING ALL LEARN.> > CHEERS !!!> ASH> > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote:> > Dear Ramesh,> > > > Marriage should have taken place in the sun antra, moon dasa(KAY)> > which is 1973 April onwards( in the first sector probably). Now how> > I reached this conclusion. Please note that I am learning and am> > VERY NEW to timing the events. Ash and Krushnaji, correct me if I> > am wrong, and I havent done exact calculations either. My attempt:> > [ nervous already as I am..:-( ]> > > > Delay due to saturn:> > > > I find there is a full delay due to saturn which is 27.5 years but> > as the saturn is in 7 degrees, approximately we can say a few > months> > less, so may be 27 years/26years 10 months delay. (Calculation not> > done). BECAUSE: saturn is in 12th house, is the lord of B, is> > aspecting house C and in navamsa is aspectimg house B and is with> > house A and C lord mercury. So full delay. what can check delay is > > the> > jupiter which is with Saturn in navamsa... (but not very sure how> > much). so the possiblity of getting married is after 27 years or a> > little less, which will be in sun antra (moon dasa). now why sun> > antra...> > > > sun is in house E( my doubt is as it is with the delay causing> > planet, will it not give marriage, but to be noted that saturn is> > also house B lord) , so should be eager to give marriage.> > > > another option is venus antra...but again, the delay period doesnt> > get over by then, so possibility is less.> > > > awaiting your feedback (keeping my fingers crossed)> > > > --Manoshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi,> > > > > > > > Planet Degrees > > > > > > > > As 19 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > Su 4 Le 28 > > > > > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22 > > > > > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57 > > > > > > > > Me 27 Le 1 > > > > > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37 > > > > > > > > Ve 18 Le 37 > > > > > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45 > > > > > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34 > > > > > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born > 19th > > > > > August > > > > > > > 1936 > > > > > > > > at calcutta at 23:45.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here is my attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B > and > > > Ju > > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in this > > > chart > > > > > due > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Sa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord > Mercury > > > so > > > > Ju > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not delay causing in this case.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a > > rare > > > > > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that > Venus > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon > and > > > 7th > > > > > are > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 in > > Rasi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa > > > > > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and > Sa > > > are > > > > in > > > > > > > 5:9, > > > > > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is > also > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in > > > upchaya > > > > > from > > > > > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig > zag > > > > > manner. > > > > > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 > points > > > in > > > > > SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more spending > > > trend.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay > is > > > > there > > > > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. > So > > > when > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's > MD > > > will > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me antra is on at the end of delay period and at that > > time > > > > Sa > > > > > is > > > > > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe > > probems > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > family around that time and some stress related to > that.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak > and > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may > > give > > > > the > > > > > > > event > > > > > > > > but not full happiness from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra i.e > > > 1964-> > > > > Feb-> > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > to 1966-Aug-29.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > Ash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > > > > > > Chatterjee" wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to > analyse > > > > this > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the > groups > > so > > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would > request > > > Ash > > > > > and > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > members to guide me through.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at the chart if it has any zeroes: one > zero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, House > B, > > > > House > > > > > > D, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is > > > > definitely > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning > that > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses > A, > > B > > > > and > > > > > C. > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th > with > > 4 > > > > > > points. > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > lessons it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay if > > > > jupiter > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due > to > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will there > be > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > considered in this case?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance after > I > > > get > > > > > my > > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest > > > significator > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx> > > > > > > > > Manoshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of > this > > > > > native > > > > > > > > (female) > > > > > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about the`life > > > events > > > > > of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936> > > > > > > > > > place :calcutta> > > > > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Thanx Ash, for the wonderful post. Now, I dont know if it is in any lesson or not, how much delay check you take for Jupiter and why 21+26.5 and you take out the mean....why? --Manoshi , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002> wrote: > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Many many thanks for the reply. Actually I did not receive the msg no.9011 in my mail box. Msg no.8993 was received and I read it. Regret to inform that the concept of delay factor is still not clear to me however I will do some exercise practically then it will be clear. Due to lack of time I am unable to devote on the subject so my train runs like a passenger train. > One thing I want to clear from you in case of SD. as I wote in my previous mail that Me is SD to Ketu . Ketu is in scorpio and in the nakshtra of jyestha whose lord is Mercury.So my point is whether Me & Ma is SD to Ketu or Ketu is SD to Ma & Me.. In my opinion Ma & Me should be SD to Ketu . > Thanks once again and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > Kindly refer to all mails in the list. Have you checked message > > /message/9011 > > I had replied giving detailed calculations for the questions asked > by you. > > I also did exact calculations and came to 3rd July 1970 and gave my > reasoning as to why I picked Ketu antra instead of MErcury and also > gave my reasoning for the decision point I had reached. > > Now I took exact dates here and I divided the delay given by Jupiter > by half. Please refer to message 9011 again and go through it > carefully. > > W.r.t your other questions I will answer them in CAPS below. > > I agreed and I have also mentioned in an earlier post .. There can > be no substitue for practice and experience. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002> wrote: > > Hi Manoshi, Namaskar, > > Thanks for your practice.Actually marriage was performed on 28 Feb > 1970 in Moon MD and Mercury AD. Moon is the lord of E aspecting > house B from lagna and Mercury is occupying house E .Mercury is SD > to Ketu who occupies house D. > > ASH : IN OUR SYSTEM OF KAS PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR > HOUSES DO NOT GIVE RESULTS THEIR SD'S WILL. THE EXCEPTION IS LOD OR > LOE. > > HOW CAN ME OR ANY PLANET BE SD TO KETU ? KETU IS A GRAHA AND KETU > BECOMES SD TO SIGN LORD AND NAKSHTRA LORD. SAME FOR RAHU. > > IN THE CASE GIVEN, I HAVE GIVEN THE REASONING FOR WHY MERCURY ANTRA > CAN GIVE MARRIAGE REFER TO MESSAGE NUMBER 9011. HOWEVER I ALSO GAVE > THE REASON WHERE I REACHED A DECISION POINT AND PREFERED TO GO WITH > KETU INSTEAD OF MERCURY ANTAR AS HALF OF MERCURY ANTRA HAD ELAPSED. > > HOWEVER WITH YOUR ANSWER I GOT TO LEARN. SO THANK U AND ITS MUCH > APPRECIATED. > > > > So I mean to say that after knowing the event one can justify the > event by analysing it but prediction is not so easy. Only practice > makes an astrologer perfect. Unless we discuss the topic at large we > can not learn the subject. > > ASH : YOU GAVE A BLIND CHART WITH NO EVENTS AND YOUR WORD THAT THERE > WAS A DIFFERENCE OF +/- 3 MINS. WITH THAT MANOSHI AND MYSELF > ATTEMPTED THE CHART. YOU ALSO HAD NOT GIVEN ANY EVENTS TO VERIFY > THE CHART. > > First point is how do we approach the delay period of 27.5 years or > 22 years 7 month for Saturn.That is the first hurdle we have to > cross. > > ASH : RAMESH, I THINK ITS BETTER TO READ THE MAILS THAT MANOSHI HAS > GIVEN IN HER MAIL. THE EXACT DATE GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI WHEN DELAY WAS > OVER WAS 25TH JAN AND MARRIAGE HAPPENED ON 26TH JAN. > IN AN EARLIER MAIL I ALSO HAD COMPUTED 25TH JAN. SO BOTH KRUSHNAJI > AND MYSELF HAD COME TO THE EXACT SAME DATE. OFCOURSE I HAVE > FOLLOWED THE LESSONS GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI SO I AM HAPPY THAT I WAS ON > THE RIGHT TRACK. > > Untill we understand the reason we can not cross the hurdle and we > may commit the mistake. That is why I asked Dear Ash Ji or Gurudev > Shri Krushna Ji to make it clear. > > ASH : THE REASON IS GIVEN IN MESSAGE 9011. > > Till this time no response is received from anyone. > > ASH : PLEASE VERIFY THE FACTS. MANOSHI AND MYSELF HAVE ATTEMPTED > THE CHART. > > However we must carry on. > > ASH : YES. THE MORE CHARTS WE SOLVE THE MORE WE ALL WILL LEARN. > THE MORE MISTAKES WE MAKE THE MORE WE SHALL LEARN FROM THEM TOO. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > THANKS FOR GIVING THE CHART AND HELPING ALL LEARN. > > CHEERS !!! > ASH > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Marriage should have taken place in the sun antra, moon dasa(KAY) > > which is 1973 April onwards( in the first sector probably). Now how > > I reached this conclusion. Please note that I am learning and am > > VERY NEW to timing the events. Ash and Krushnaji, correct me if I > > am wrong, and I havent done exact calculations either. My attempt: > > [ nervous already as I am..:-( ] > > > > Delay due to saturn: > > > > I find there is a full delay due to saturn which is 27.5 years but > > as the saturn is in 7 degrees, approximately we can say a few > months > > less, so may be 27 years/26years 10 months delay. (Calculation not > > done). BECAUSE: saturn is in 12th house, is the lord of B, is > > aspecting house C and in navamsa is aspectimg house B and is with > > house A and C lord mercury. So full delay. what can check delay is > > the > > jupiter which is with Saturn in navamsa... (but not very sure how > > much). so the possiblity of getting married is after 27 years or a > > little less, which will be in sun antra (moon dasa). now why sun > > antra... > > > > sun is in house E( my doubt is as it is with the delay causing > > planet, will it not give marriage, but to be noted that saturn is > > also house B lord) , so should be eager to give marriage. > > > > another option is venus antra...but again, the delay period doesnt > > get over by then, so possibility is less. > > > > awaiting your feedback (keeping my fingers crossed) > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > Planet Degrees > > > > > > > > As 19 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > Su 4 Le 28 > > > > > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22 > > > > > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57 > > > > > > > > Me 27 Le 1 > > > > > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37 > > > > > > > > Ve 18 Le 37 > > > > > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45 > > > > > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34 > > > > > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born > 19th > > > > > August > > > > > > > 1936 > > > > > > > > at calcutta at 23:45. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here is my attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B > and > > > Ju > > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in this > > > chart > > > > > due > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord > Mercury > > > so > > > > Ju > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not delay causing in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a > > rare > > > > > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that > Venus > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon > and > > > 7th > > > > > are > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 in > > Rasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa > > > > > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and > Sa > > > are > > > > in > > > > > > > 5:9, > > > > > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is > also > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in > > > upchaya > > > > > from > > > > > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig > zag > > > > > manner. > > > > > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 > points > > > in > > > > > SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more spending > > > trend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months delay > is > > > > there > > > > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. > So > > > when > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's > MD > > > will > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me antra is on at the end of delay period and at that > > time > > > > Sa > > > > > is > > > > > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe > > probems > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > family around that time and some stress related to > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak > and > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may > > give > > > > the > > > > > > > event > > > > > > > > but not full happiness from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra i.e > > > 1964- > > > > > Feb- > > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > to 1966-Aug-29. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " Manoshi > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to > analyse > > > > this > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the > groups > > so > > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would > request > > > Ash > > > > > and > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > members to guide me through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at the chart if it has any zeroes: one > zero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, House > B, > > > > House > > > > > > D, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is > > > > definitely > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning > that > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses > A, > > B > > > > and > > > > > C. > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th > with > > 4 > > > > > > points. > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > lessons it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay if > > > > jupiter > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due > to > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will there > be > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > considered in this case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance after > I > > > get > > > > > my > > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest > > > significator > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx > > > > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of > this > > > > > native > > > > > > > > (female) > > > > > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about the`life > > > events > > > > > of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936 > > > > > > > > > > place :calcutta > > > > > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Dear Krushnaji and Manoshi, If delay is moderated by Jupiter then I just took a thumb rule that its half of the full delay. So here refer to the calculations. Marrigable age in Inida = 21 years The delay was say 26.5 years Now jupiter is moderating this delay so after what age a person can marry? So here by moderating I mean I took half as a thumb rule. So 26.5 + 21 years total divided by 2 = 23.75 So after 23.75 years is the moderated delay. Now Exactly how much delay will be reduced by Jupiter I do not know and I leave that part to Krushnaji to guide us. As per ramesh mail I got the EXACTLY HALF delay of Jupiter ending in July 1970 and marriage happened as of Feb 1970. I do not know and Krushnaji can guide us here as to why this difference and it logically means to me that Ju has reduced more delay that half i.e. the dividing factor is slightly more than 2. How to EXactly compute this I do not know. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , " Manoshi Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > Thanx Ash, for the wonderful post. Now, I dont know if it is in any > lesson or not, how much delay check you take for Jupiter and why > 21+26.5 and you take out the mean....why? > > --Manoshi > > > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002> wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > Many many thanks for the reply. Actually I did not receive the msg > no.9011 in my mail box. Msg no.8993 was received and I read it. > Regret to inform that the concept of delay factor is still not clear > to me however I will do some exercise practically then it will be > clear. Due to lack of time I am unable to devote on the subject so > my train runs like a passenger train. > > One thing I want to clear from you in case of SD. as I wote in my > previous mail that Me is SD to Ketu . Ketu is in scorpio and in the > nakshtra of jyestha whose lord is Mercury.So my point is whether Me > & Ma is SD to Ketu or Ketu is SD to Ma & Me.. In my opinion Ma & Me > should be SD to Ketu . > > Thanks once again and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > Kindly refer to all mails in the list. Have you checked message > > > > /message/9011 > > > > I had replied giving detailed calculations for the questions asked > > by you. > > > > I also did exact calculations and came to 3rd July 1970 and gave > my > > reasoning as to why I picked Ketu antra instead of MErcury and > also > > gave my reasoning for the decision point I had reached. > > > > Now I took exact dates here and I divided the delay given by > Jupiter > > by half. Please refer to message 9011 again and go through it > > carefully. > > > > W.r.t your other questions I will answer them in CAPS below. > > > > I agreed and I have also mentioned in an earlier post .. There can > > be no substitue for practice and experience. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002> wrote: > > > Hi Manoshi, Namaskar, > > > Thanks for your practice.Actually marriage was performed on 28 > Feb > > 1970 in Moon MD and Mercury AD. Moon is the lord of E aspecting > > house B from lagna and Mercury is occupying house E .Mercury is SD > > to Ketu who occupies house D. > > > > ASH : IN OUR SYSTEM OF KAS PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR > > HOUSES DO NOT GIVE RESULTS THEIR SD'S WILL. THE EXCEPTION IS LOD > OR > > LOE. > > > > HOW CAN ME OR ANY PLANET BE SD TO KETU ? KETU IS A GRAHA AND KETU > > BECOMES SD TO SIGN LORD AND NAKSHTRA LORD. SAME FOR RAHU. > > > > IN THE CASE GIVEN, I HAVE GIVEN THE REASONING FOR WHY MERCURY > ANTRA > > CAN GIVE MARRIAGE REFER TO MESSAGE NUMBER 9011. HOWEVER I ALSO > GAVE > > THE REASON WHERE I REACHED A DECISION POINT AND PREFERED TO GO > WITH > > KETU INSTEAD OF MERCURY ANTAR AS HALF OF MERCURY ANTRA HAD > ELAPSED. > > > > HOWEVER WITH YOUR ANSWER I GOT TO LEARN. SO THANK U AND ITS MUCH > > APPRECIATED. > > > > > > > So I mean to say that after knowing the event one can justify > the > > event by analysing it but prediction is not so easy. Only practice > > makes an astrologer perfect. Unless we discuss the topic at large > we > > can not learn the subject. > > > > ASH : YOU GAVE A BLIND CHART WITH NO EVENTS AND YOUR WORD THAT > THERE > > WAS A DIFFERENCE OF +/- 3 MINS. WITH THAT MANOSHI AND MYSELF > > ATTEMPTED THE CHART. YOU ALSO HAD NOT GIVEN ANY EVENTS TO VERIFY > > THE CHART. > > > > First point is how do we approach the delay period of 27.5 years > or > > 22 years 7 month for Saturn.That is the first hurdle we have to > > cross. > > > > ASH : RAMESH, I THINK ITS BETTER TO READ THE MAILS THAT MANOSHI > HAS > > GIVEN IN HER MAIL. THE EXACT DATE GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI WHEN DELAY > WAS > > OVER WAS 25TH JAN AND MARRIAGE HAPPENED ON 26TH JAN. > > IN AN EARLIER MAIL I ALSO HAD COMPUTED 25TH JAN. SO BOTH > KRUSHNAJI > > AND MYSELF HAD COME TO THE EXACT SAME DATE. OFCOURSE I HAVE > > FOLLOWED THE LESSONS GIVEN BY KRUSHNAJI SO I AM HAPPY THAT I WAS > ON > > THE RIGHT TRACK. > > > > Untill we understand the reason we can not cross the hurdle and we > > may commit the mistake. That is why I asked Dear Ash Ji or Gurudev > > Shri Krushna Ji to make it clear. > > > > ASH : THE REASON IS GIVEN IN MESSAGE 9011. > > > > Till this time no response is received from anyone. > > > > ASH : PLEASE VERIFY THE FACTS. MANOSHI AND MYSELF HAVE ATTEMPTED > > THE CHART. > > > > However we must carry on. > > > > ASH : YES. THE MORE CHARTS WE SOLVE THE MORE WE ALL WILL LEARN. > > THE MORE MISTAKES WE MAKE THE MORE WE SHALL LEARN FROM THEM TOO. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > THANKS FOR GIVING THE CHART AND HELPING ALL LEARN. > > > > CHEERS !!! > > ASH > > > > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > Marriage should have taken place in the sun antra, moon dasa (KAY) > > > which is 1973 April onwards( in the first sector probably). Now > how > > > I reached this conclusion. Please note that I am learning and am > > > VERY NEW to timing the events. Ash and Krushnaji, correct me if I > > > am wrong, and I havent done exact calculations either. My > attempt: > > > [ nervous already as I am..:-( ] > > > > > > Delay due to saturn: > > > > > > I find there is a full delay due to saturn which is 27.5 years > but > > > as the saturn is in 7 degrees, approximately we can say a few > > months > > > less, so may be 27 years/26years 10 months delay. (Calculation > not > > > done). BECAUSE: saturn is in 12th house, is the lord of B, is > > > aspecting house C and in navamsa is aspectimg house B and is with > > > house A and C lord mercury. So full delay. what can check delay > is > > > the > > > jupiter which is with Saturn in navamsa... (but not very sure how > > > much). so the possiblity of getting married is after 27 years or > a > > > little less, which will be in sun antra (moon dasa). now why sun > > > antra... > > > > > > sun is in house E( my doubt is as it is with the delay causing > > > planet, will it not give marriage, but to be noted that saturn is > > > also house B lord) , so should be eager to give marriage. > > > > > > another option is venus antra...but again, the delay period > doesnt > > > get over by then, so possibility is less. > > > > > > awaiting your feedback (keeping my fingers crossed) > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > Planet Degrees > > > > > > > > > As 19 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > > Su 4 Le 28 > > > > > > > > > Mo 4 Vi 22 > > > > > > > > > Ma 13 Cn 57 > > > > > > > > > Me 27 Le 1 > > > > > > > > > Ju 22 Sc 37 > > > > > > > > > Ve 18 Le 37 > > > > > > > > > SaR 28 Aq 45 > > > > > > > > > Ra 8 Sg 34 > > > > > > > > > Ke 8 Ge 34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the data I am getting now for the lady born > > 19th > > > > > > August > > > > > > > > 1936 > > > > > > > > > at calcutta at 23:45. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here is my attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is in 10th house from there its aspecting House B > > and > > > > Ju > > > > > > who > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > LoC and Me in 4th house so there is full delay in > this > > > > chart > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju is in 7th house but its not touching 2nd lord > > Mercury > > > > so > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not delay causing in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there is 1 zero in venus due to Venus. This is a > > > rare > > > > > > > > > combination and its given somewhere in lesson that > > Venus > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > planet that can give a 0 in 10th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 7th have 33/23 points in SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna/7th are in 2:12, sun and 7th are in 1:7, Moon > > and > > > > 7th > > > > > > are > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 4:10, Ma and 7th are 6:8 and Ve and 7th are in 1:7 > in > > > Rasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa > > > > > > > > > Ve and Sa are in 4:10, Sa and Su are in 2:12, Mo and > > Sa > > > > are > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 5:9, > > > > > > > > > Ju and Me are in 2:12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th lord is in 4th house with 4 bindus. Here Ve is > > also > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > lord. Ve again is in neecha sign in navamsa. Its in > > > > upchaya > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > 6th and in 4th from 1st. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LoA, LoD are SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:6:10:11 points from lagna, sun and moon are in zig > > zag > > > > > > manner. > > > > > > > > > Venus has 0 in 10th house. 10th house also has 27 > > points > > > > in > > > > > > SAV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th power in SAV is more than 11th. So more > spending > > > > trend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and 9th lords are in 1:7 in rasi and 4:10 in > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now calculating the delay and marriage period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 28Aq45 so about 25 years 2 or 3 months > delay > > is > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > approximately and say about 5-8% delay due to Venus. > > So > > > > when > > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > period is over Mercury antra is running in Rahu Md. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is SD to Me who is 2nd lord so karak. So Rahu's > > MD > > > > will > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me antra is on at the end of delay period and at > that > > > time > > > > > Sa > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > transitting the natives 10th house so there maybe > > > probems > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > family around that time and some stress related to > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is most powreful significator and its Karak > > and > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > House D with 5 bindus. Yes its SD to Venus so it may > > > give > > > > > the > > > > > > > > event > > > > > > > > > but not full happiness from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So marriage may take place in Rahu/Me MD and Antra > i.e > > > > 1964- > > > > > > Feb- > > > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > to 1966-Aug-29. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, can you give feedback upto here please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " Manoshi > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and senior members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me first make it clear that I am trying to > > analyse > > > > > this > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > learn and as Ash told me to post charts in the > > groups > > > so > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > be a learning experience for everyone. I would > > request > > > > Ash > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > members to guide me through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at the chart if it has any zeroes: one > > zero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in the tenth house aspecting venus, > House > > B, > > > > > House > > > > > > > D, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > House E for seventh. So I would consider there is > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > to Saturn but how much? I remember you mentioning > > that > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > > full delay when is in 5th house and aspects houses > > A, > > > B > > > > > and > > > > > > C. > > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > here its not aspecting ABC, but B, D and, E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, now lets check for jupiter: Jupiter is in 7th > > with > > > 4 > > > > > > > points. > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > lessons it is mentioned that Jupiter causes delay > if > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > in 7th or aspecting 7th, but will the delay be due > > to > > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > less points or with even high points? SO will > there > > be > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > > considered in this case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will try to analyse it further with guidance > after > > I > > > > get > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > > cleared and will try to look for the stongest > > > > significator > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I want to time the marriage and other events of > > this > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > (female) > > > > > > > > > > > as an exercise. I know pretty much about > the`life > > > > events > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > person so it will be a good learning experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date: 19 august 1936 > > > > > > > > > > > place :calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > time 11:45 a.m. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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