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Dear Ash,

Since I am not able to use the KAS today, can you tell me the value for 2000, I have to insert the value for this year in my program. So I will be able to talk with the same dates.

Thank you again for all kind answer

Regards

Xavier

 

 

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Dear Xavier,

There was a discussion about this and you can look up the archives for the same.

The KAS2005 program gives the proper ayanamsa. Please bear with us till we get around to revising the lesson to reflect the proper value. In the mean time for now use the KAS2005 program value it will give the most proper value of KAY.

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

Xavier <murerx wrote:

 

Dear Ash,

 

According to the lesson 6 about ayanamsa, the value for K Aya. is 21°26'44'' in 1900, but according to a member of Denis Laboure's forum, who has the luck to download correctly the KAS, the value for 1900 is different : 21° 33'23''. In order to adjust my program, can you tell me the ayanamsa for 01/01/2000. If it is true, we have the explanation of the difference of one month in the example below.

It is a revision of the ayanamsa? Why?

My difficulty to use the KAS programme is due of the difficulty of languages setting. The computers I used is in french and the other in chinese (I live in China). I think I have the beginning of the solution :-)

 

Regards

Xavier

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Xavier,

Ok. Thank you for giving me the dates. You said the the career of your friend started in March 1973. At that time it was not Ve antra running but Ketu antra.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ketu

1972-Mar-18

1973-Apr-05

 

 

 

 

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Dear Xavier,

The KAY value for 1st Jan 2000 is 22:57:11.

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " Xavier "

<murerx> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

> Since I am not able to use the KAS today, can you tell me the

value for

> 2000, I have to insert the value for this year in my program. So I

will

> be able to talk with the same dates.

> Thank you again for all kind answer

> Regards

> Xavier

>

> -----Message d'origine-----

> De :

> De la part de Ash

> Envoyé : jeudi 1 décembre 2005 04:31

> À :

> Objet : Re: value of Krushna ayanamsa

>

>

> Dear Xavier,

> There was a discussion about this and you can look up the archives

for

> the same.

> The KAS2005 program gives the proper ayanamsa. Please bear with

us till

> we get around to revising the lesson to reflect the proper value.

In

> the mean time for now use the KAS2005 program value it will give

the

> most proper value of KAY.

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> Xavier <murerx> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> According to the lesson 6 about ayanamsa, the value for K Aya. is

> 21°26'44'' in 1900, but according to a member of Denis Laboure's

forum,

> who has the luck to download correctly the KAS, the value for 1900

is

> different : 21° 33'23''. In order to adjust my program, can you

tell me

> the ayanamsa for 01/01/2000. If it is true, we have the

explanation of

> the difference of one month in the example below.

> It is a revision of the ayanamsa? Why?

> My difficulty to use the KAS programme is due of the difficulty of

> languages setting. The computers I used is in french and the

other in

> chinese (I live in China). I think I have the beginning of the

solution

> :-)

>

> Regards

> Xavier

>

>

Dear Xavier,

> Ok. Thank you for giving me the dates. You said the the career

of your

> friend started in March 1973. At that time it was not Ve antra

running

> but Ketu antra.

>

> Ketu 1972-Mar-18 1973-Apr-05

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

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Dear Ash and list members,

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73> wrote:

 

> The KAY value for 1st Jan 2000 is 22:57:11.

 

As a very new member to the list, I would like to say that I am very

proud to be a member of it. English is a second tongue, so it is

harder to understand. Also given the fact that it is also my first

steps in astrology, it gets even harder!

 

I am glad that Marguerite Lettens translated the lessons of Krushna

in French. Thank you Marguerite!

 

The worksheet seems to be a little wonder: everything is there!...

 

We are now talking about the ayanamsha on Denis Labouré's forum, and

the question rose about why and how did Krushna updated the

ayanamsha? Xavier will confirm, I hope, that he finds few events that

work better for him with the updated ayanamsha.

 

Also, a member of another French list in astrology, François

Carrière, spoke of the " polar longitude " of Spica (Chitra) and

created his own ayanamsha, one that has a 0° value for 19 january

347, 11h16m30s GMT, Spica having then a value of 180° in right

ascension (equatorial coordinates), and correspondingly a value of

180°51' on the ecliptic (according to Swiss Ephemeris and Astrolog

freewares), a value near the one found in the Sura Siddhanta,

translated by Burgess. This new ayanamsha, according to him, is 3'

away from Krushna... I wonder if Carrière is not overly self-

conceited!!!

 

Philippe Bonin is also suspicious about this " polar longitude "

thing... May be he will explain us why, since I do not fully

understand what he said on the french list.

 

So, can anybody explain the reasons (and sources) for this update?

 

--

Many thanks and regards,

David Rhéaume

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Dear David Rheaume,

 

The start date of the Krushnas Ayanamsa is not changed not has been

updated its still the same as 24th Feb 366 AD.

 

You might want to refer to the archives where such discussion have

taken place and the reason for the difference.

 

For those who know how to compute the value of ayanamsa the start

date of Krushnas Ayanamsa = 24th FEBRUARY 366 AD. That hasent

changed.

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

--- In

, " david_rheaume_1963 "

<david_rheaume_1963> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash and list members,

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73> wrote:

>

> > The KAY value for 1st Jan 2000 is 22:57:11.

>

> As a very new member to the list, I would like to say that I am

very

> proud to be a member of it. English is a second tongue, so it is

> harder to understand. Also given the fact that it is also my first

> steps in astrology, it gets even harder!

>

> I am glad that Marguerite Lettens translated the lessons of

Krushna

> in French. Thank you Marguerite!

>

> The worksheet seems to be a little wonder: everything is there!...

>

> We are now talking about the ayanamsha on Denis Labouré's forum,

and

> the question rose about why and how did Krushna updated the

> ayanamsha? Xavier will confirm, I hope, that he finds few events

that

> work better for him with the updated ayanamsha.

>

> Also, a member of another French list in astrology, François

> Carrière, spoke of the " polar longitude " of Spica (Chitra) and

> created his own ayanamsha, one that has a 0° value for 19 january

> 347, 11h16m30s GMT, Spica having then a value of 180° in right

> ascension (equatorial coordinates), and correspondingly a value of

> 180°51' on the ecliptic (according to Swiss Ephemeris and Astrolog

> freewares), a value near the one found in the Sura Siddhanta,

> translated by Burgess. This new ayanamsha, according to him, is 3'

> away from Krushna... I wonder if Carrière is not overly self-

> conceited!!!

>

> Philippe Bonin is also suspicious about this " polar longitude "

> thing... May be he will explain us why, since I do not fully

> understand what he said on the french list.

>

> So, can anybody explain the reasons (and sources) for this update?

>

> --

> Many thanks and regards,

> David Rhéaume

>

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ashsam73 <ashsam73 écrivit:

 

> Dear David Rheaume,

>

> The start date of the Krushnas Ayanamsa is not changed not has been

> updated its still the same as 24th Feb 366 AD.

>

> You might want to refer to the archives where such discussion have

> taken place and the reason for the difference.

>

> For those who know how to compute the value of ayanamsa the start

> date of Krushnas Ayanamsa = 24th FEBRUARY 366 AD. That hasent

> changed.

 

Dear Ash,

 

Thank you for your kind answer. I will answer David on the French list, it

will be easier. However, given the data I use (with precession rate used by

Swiss Ephemeris and Astrolog freeware), a date of november 6, 350, seems to

work better with the other software I use. David told in me a private email

that Philippe Bonin defined a polar longitude as the degree of ecliptic that

is culminating at the same time of the star (Spica in our case). Using this

definition, november 6, 350, match with a tropical midheaven of

0°0°44 " Libra. Then with the modern rate of precession, from this date, we

get 22°57'11 " for year 2000.

 

However, using the updated spreadsheet, I do not understand how we can take

24th feb 366, since it uses Swiss Ephemeris dll... how then is calculated

the precession?

 

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With my best regards,

François

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Hello Ash,

First thanks to all those who have produced the new Excel worksheet,

which is great. The results also seem to me to give slightly more

accurate timings than the previous one (thanks to the small change

in the ayanamsha).

But if the start date of the old list was 24 Feb 366, I don't see

how it can be the same once the ayanamsha has been changed - unless

the rate of precession used has also been changed, which it doesn't

seem to be (it still seems to be an average of 50.33 " per year).

The worksheet doesn't accept a date of 366, so we can't see if it

would calculate 0° for that date. But if we set other reputable

astrology programs to use the new Krushna ayanamasha (ie. to give

the same ayanamsha on the same dates as the worksheet, such as

21.33.23 on 1st Jan 1900), and then work back with those other

programs until we get to a " start " date when ayanamsha is zero, then

we get a " year zero " between November 350 and February 351,

depending on the program (probably they each have slightly different

ways of calculating the rate of precession). But no program gives a

year zero, with the new Krushna ayanamsha, any later than February

351. The programs used are Parashara's Light, Jaganattha Hora, Solar

Fire and Astrolog. So what I would like to know is, does the new KAS

ayanamsha (which seems to me to work well) use a new or different

way of calculating the rate of precession, so as to keep the same

start date of 366 as the old Krushna ayanamsha?

Thanks for any clarification!

Graham

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73> wrote:

>

> Dear David Rheaume,

>

> The start date of the Krushnas Ayanamsa is not changed not has

been

> updated its still the same as 24th Feb 366 AD.

>

> You might want to refer to the archives where such discussion have

> taken place and the reason for the difference.

>

> For those who know how to compute the value of ayanamsa the start

> date of Krushnas Ayanamsa = 24th FEBRUARY 366 AD. That hasent

> changed.

>

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

>

> --- In

> , " david_rheaume_1963 "

> <david_rheaume_1963> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash and list members,

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73> wrote:

> >

> > > The KAY value for 1st Jan 2000 is 22:57:11.

> >

> > As a very new member to the list, I would like to say that I am

> very

> > proud to be a member of it. English is a second tongue, so it is

> > harder to understand. Also given the fact that it is also my

first

> > steps in astrology, it gets even harder!

> >

> > I am glad that Marguerite Lettens translated the lessons of

> Krushna

> > in French. Thank you Marguerite!

> >

> > The worksheet seems to be a little wonder: everything is

there!...

> >

> > We are now talking about the ayanamsha on Denis Labouré's forum,

> and

> > the question rose about why and how did Krushna updated the

> > ayanamsha? Xavier will confirm, I hope, that he finds few events

> that

> > work better for him with the updated ayanamsha.

> >

> > Also, a member of another French list in astrology, François

> > Carrière, spoke of the " polar longitude " of Spica (Chitra) and

> > created his own ayanamsha, one that has a 0° value for 19

january

> > 347, 11h16m30s GMT, Spica having then a value of 180° in right

> > ascension (equatorial coordinates), and correspondingly a value

of

> > 180°51' on the ecliptic (according to Swiss Ephemeris and

Astrolog

> > freewares), a value near the one found in the Sura Siddhanta,

> > translated by Burgess. This new ayanamsha, according to him, is

3'

> > away from Krushna... I wonder if Carrière is not overly self-

> > conceited!!!

> >

> > Philippe Bonin is also suspicious about this " polar longitude "

> > thing... May be he will explain us why, since I do not fully

> > understand what he said on the french list.

> >

> > So, can anybody explain the reasons (and sources) for this

update?

> >

> > --

> > Many thanks and regards,

> > David Rhéaume

> >

>

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Dear Graham and François,

I am not aware of the engines that software programs use for

calculations but ayanamsa.

 

Now the value for 1/1/1900 is 21:33:23 and the starting date when

the split took place is 24th Feb 366 AD. These 2 things are

constant.

 

Now you can keep these 2 as the parameters as constant and as known

parameters and then can find out all the other unknowns such based

on these values.

 

I think that will clear these things. But I want to again repeate

that the date of the split was never changed it was and is 24th Feb

366 AD.

 

The reason for the differnce that crept in I have written about it

in detail and its in the archives. You can read up on " why " there

was a difference crept in erronously.

 

Krushnas ayanamsa gives us the accurate position of planets which I

see so many people giving feedback that the vimshottari dasha

explain their charts in much better fashion and you yourselves might

have observed. The whole system of KAS is based on KAY.

 

Now if you all are using a software and then working backwords on

the strength of the program and reachign 350 or 351 I cant say

anything.

 

Only thing then left is to do manual calculations and work backwards

keeping 2 things constant i.e. the ayanamsa value on 1/1/1900 =

21:33:23 and the staring date of the split or 0 ayanamsa is 24th Feb

366 AD.

 

I hope this helps,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " Graham Fox "

<fox.graham@w...> wrote:

>

> Hello Ash,

> First thanks to all those who have produced the new Excel

worksheet,

> which is great. The results also seem to me to give slightly more

> accurate timings than the previous one (thanks to the small change

> in the ayanamsha).

> But if the start date of the old list was 24 Feb 366, I don't see

> how it can be the same once the ayanamsha has been changed -

unless

> the rate of precession used has also been changed, which it

doesn't

> seem to be (it still seems to be an average of 50.33 " per year).

> The worksheet doesn't accept a date of 366, so we can't see if it

> would calculate 0° for that date. But if we set other reputable

> astrology programs to use the new Krushna ayanamasha (ie. to give

> the same ayanamsha on the same dates as the worksheet, such as

> 21.33.23 on 1st Jan 1900), and then work back with those other

> programs until we get to a " start " date when ayanamsha is zero,

then

> we get a " year zero " between November 350 and February 351,

> depending on the program (probably they each have slightly

different

> ways of calculating the rate of precession). But no program gives

a

> year zero, with the new Krushna ayanamsha, any later than February

> 351. The programs used are Parashara's Light, Jaganattha Hora,

Solar

> Fire and Astrolog. So what I would like to know is, does the new

KAS

> ayanamsha (which seems to me to work well) use a new or different

> way of calculating the rate of precession, so as to keep the same

> start date of 366 as the old Krushna ayanamsha?

> Thanks for any clarification!

> Graham

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73> wrote:

> >

> > Dear David Rheaume,

> >

> > The start date of the Krushnas Ayanamsa is not changed not has

> been

> > updated its still the same as 24th Feb 366 AD.

> >

> > You might want to refer to the archives where such discussion

have

> > taken place and the reason for the difference.

> >

> > For those who know how to compute the value of ayanamsa the

start

> > date of Krushnas Ayanamsa = 24th FEBRUARY 366 AD. That hasent

> > changed.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In

> > , " david_rheaume_1963 "

> > <david_rheaume_1963> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash and list members,

> > >

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > <ashsam73> wrote:

> > >

> > > > The KAY value for 1st Jan 2000 is 22:57:11.

> > >

> > > As a very new member to the list, I would like to say that I

am

> > very

> > > proud to be a member of it. English is a second tongue, so it

is

> > > harder to understand. Also given the fact that it is also my

> first

> > > steps in astrology, it gets even harder!

> > >

> > > I am glad that Marguerite Lettens translated the lessons of

> > Krushna

> > > in French. Thank you Marguerite!

> > >

> > > The worksheet seems to be a little wonder: everything is

> there!...

> > >

> > > We are now talking about the ayanamsha on Denis Labouré's

forum,

> > and

> > > the question rose about why and how did Krushna updated the

> > > ayanamsha? Xavier will confirm, I hope, that he finds few

events

> > that

> > > work better for him with the updated ayanamsha.

> > >

> > > Also, a member of another French list in astrology, François

> > > Carrière, spoke of the " polar longitude " of Spica (Chitra) and

> > > created his own ayanamsha, one that has a 0° value for 19

> january

> > > 347, 11h16m30s GMT, Spica having then a value of 180° in right

> > > ascension (equatorial coordinates), and correspondingly a

value

> of

> > > 180°51' on the ecliptic (according to Swiss Ephemeris and

> Astrolog

> > > freewares), a value near the one found in the Sura Siddhanta,

> > > translated by Burgess. This new ayanamsha, according to him,

is

> 3'

> > > away from Krushna... I wonder if Carrière is not overly self-

> > > conceited!!!

> > >

> > > Philippe Bonin is also suspicious about this " polar longitude "

> > > thing... May be he will explain us why, since I do not fully

> > > understand what he said on the french list.

> > >

> > > So, can anybody explain the reasons (and sources) for this

> update?

> > >

> > > --

> > > Many thanks and regards,

> > > David Rhéaume

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Ash,

Thanks for your quick reply. I guess we just have to take it on

trust, as I have hunted through the archives but can't find anything

that really explains how this starting date can give the new KAY. As

you say, people do definitely find that the KAS works better than

other systems, and the KAS is based on the KAY. But this was true

before the change as well, everybody seemed happy with the system

and the ayanamsa! It's a pity the worksheet doesn't go back to 366

AD, then we would clearly be able to see the starting date and not

just take it as " gospel " ! But personally I find the new Krushna

ayanamsa slightly more accurate than the old, so I'm very happy to

use it and no more questions about the starting date!

Thanks

Graham

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73> wrote:

>

> Dear Graham and François,

> I am not aware of the engines that software programs use for

> calculations but ayanamsa.

>

> Now the value for 1/1/1900 is 21:33:23 and the starting date when

> the split took place is 24th Feb 366 AD. These 2 things are

> constant.

>

> Now you can keep these 2 as the parameters as constant and as

known

> parameters and then can find out all the other unknowns such based

> on these values.

>

> I think that will clear these things. But I want to again repeate

> that the date of the split was never changed it was and is 24th

Feb

> 366 AD.

>

> The reason for the differnce that crept in I have written about it

> in detail and its in the archives. You can read up on " why " there

> was a difference crept in erronously.

>

> Krushnas ayanamsa gives us the accurate position of planets which

I

> see so many people giving feedback that the vimshottari dasha

> explain their charts in much better fashion and you yourselves

might

> have observed. The whole system of KAS is based on KAY.

>

> Now if you all are using a software and then working backwords on

> the strength of the program and reachign 350 or 351 I cant say

> anything.

>

> Only thing then left is to do manual calculations and work

backwards

> keeping 2 things constant i.e. the ayanamsa value on 1/1/1900 =

> 21:33:23 and the staring date of the split or 0 ayanamsa is 24th

Feb

> 366 AD.

>

> I hope this helps,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , " Graham Fox "

> <fox.graham@w...> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Ash,

> > First thanks to all those who have produced the new Excel

> worksheet,

> > which is great. The results also seem to me to give slightly

more

> > accurate timings than the previous one (thanks to the small

change

> > in the ayanamsha).

> > But if the start date of the old list was 24 Feb 366, I don't

see

> > how it can be the same once the ayanamsha has been changed -

> unless

> > the rate of precession used has also been changed, which it

> doesn't

> > seem to be (it still seems to be an average of 50.33 " per year).

> > The worksheet doesn't accept a date of 366, so we can't see if

it

> > would calculate 0° for that date. But if we set other reputable

> > astrology programs to use the new Krushna ayanamasha (ie. to

give

> > the same ayanamsha on the same dates as the worksheet, such as

> > 21.33.23 on 1st Jan 1900), and then work back with those other

> > programs until we get to a " start " date when ayanamsha is zero,

> then

> > we get a " year zero " between November 350 and February 351,

> > depending on the program (probably they each have slightly

> different

> > ways of calculating the rate of precession). But no program

gives

> a

> > year zero, with the new Krushna ayanamsha, any later than

February

> > 351. The programs used are Parashara's Light, Jaganattha Hora,

> Solar

> > Fire and Astrolog. So what I would like to know is, does the new

> KAS

> > ayanamsha (which seems to me to work well) use a new or

different

> > way of calculating the rate of precession, so as to keep the

same

> > start date of 366 as the old Krushna ayanamsha?

> > Thanks for any clarification!

> > Graham

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear David Rheaume,

> > >

> > > The start date of the Krushnas Ayanamsa is not changed not has

> > been

> > > updated its still the same as 24th Feb 366 AD.

> > >

> > > You might want to refer to the archives where such discussion

> have

> > > taken place and the reason for the difference.

> > >

> > > For those who know how to compute the value of ayanamsa the

> start

> > > date of Krushnas Ayanamsa = 24th FEBRUARY 366 AD. That hasent

> > > changed.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> > > , " david_rheaume_1963 "

> > > <david_rheaume_1963> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash and list members,

> > > >

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > <ashsam73> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > The KAY value for 1st Jan 2000 is 22:57:11.

> > > >

> > > > As a very new member to the list, I would like to say that I

> am

> > > very

> > > > proud to be a member of it. English is a second tongue, so

it

> is

> > > > harder to understand. Also given the fact that it is also my

> > first

> > > > steps in astrology, it gets even harder!

> > > >

> > > > I am glad that Marguerite Lettens translated the lessons of

> > > Krushna

> > > > in French. Thank you Marguerite!

> > > >

> > > > The worksheet seems to be a little wonder: everything is

> > there!...

> > > >

> > > > We are now talking about the ayanamsha on Denis Labouré's

> forum,

> > > and

> > > > the question rose about why and how did Krushna updated the

> > > > ayanamsha? Xavier will confirm, I hope, that he finds few

> events

> > > that

> > > > work better for him with the updated ayanamsha.

> > > >

> > > > Also, a member of another French list in astrology, François

> > > > Carrière, spoke of the " polar longitude " of Spica (Chitra)

and

> > > > created his own ayanamsha, one that has a 0° value for 19

> > january

> > > > 347, 11h16m30s GMT, Spica having then a value of 180° in

right

> > > > ascension (equatorial coordinates), and correspondingly a

> value

> > of

> > > > 180°51' on the ecliptic (according to Swiss Ephemeris and

> > Astrolog

> > > > freewares), a value near the one found in the Sura

Siddhanta,

> > > > translated by Burgess. This new ayanamsha, according to him,

> is

> > 3'

> > > > away from Krushna... I wonder if Carrière is not overly self-

> > > > conceited!!!

> > > >

> > > > Philippe Bonin is also suspicious about this " polar

longitude "

> > > > thing... May be he will explain us why, since I do not fully

> > > > understand what he said on the french list.

> > > >

> > > > So, can anybody explain the reasons (and sources) for this

> > update?

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Many thanks and regards,

> > > > David Rhéaume

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear François and Ash,

I've checked the rate of precession used by the new KAS spreadsheet

for the period that it will calculate. It seems to be using a

variable, and in fact slightly accelerating precession rate. For

example, between 1900 and 1930, the rate averages at 50.26 " . But

between 1900 and 2099, the rate averages at 50.29 " per year

However, in order to have a starting date of 2nd February 366

(Gregorian calendar), and to arrive at 21°33'23 " in 1900, it would

need a much faster overall average precession rate of 50.58 " per

year. This seems unlikely: not only is it much greater than the rate

proposed by modern astronomers, but also greater than the maximum

rate proposed by traditional Vedic astrologers (54 " per year).

It would be nice to have confirmation from Krushna of the correct

start date, and/or from the creators of the spreadsheet as to how

they calculate precession rate. In the meantime, I'm quite happy to

use the new spreadsheet and to set aside the question of the

starting date.

Best wishes

Graham

 

 

, " FRANCOIS CARRIERE "

<shaula001@g...> wrote:

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73> écrivit:

>

> > Dear David Rheaume,

> >

> > The start date of the Krushnas Ayanamsa is not changed not has

been

> > updated its still the same as 24th Feb 366 AD.

> >

> > You might want to refer to the archives where such discussion

have

> > taken place and the reason for the difference.

> >

> > For those who know how to compute the value of ayanamsa the start

> > date of Krushnas Ayanamsa = 24th FEBRUARY 366 AD. That hasent

> > changed.

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thank you for your kind answer. I will answer David on the French

list, it

> will be easier. However, given the data I use (with precession

rate used by

> Swiss Ephemeris and Astrolog freeware), a date of november 6, 350,

seems to

> work better with the other software I use. David told in me a

private email

> that Philippe Bonin defined a polar longitude as the degree of

ecliptic that

> is culminating at the same time of the star (Spica in our case).

Using this

> definition, november 6, 350, match with a tropical midheaven of

> 0°0°44 " Libra. Then with the modern rate of precession, from this

date, we

> get 22°57'11 " for year 2000.

>

> However, using the updated spreadsheet, I do not understand how we

can take

> 24th feb 366, since it uses Swiss Ephemeris dll... how then is

calculated

> the precession?

>

> --

> With my best regards,

> François

>

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Dear François and Ash,

Sorry! With my usual dexterity with figures, I got in a muddle. The

overall average precession rate of 50.58 " per

year implied by the new spreadsheet (the average rate from 366 to

1966, to be precise)is only somewhat greater than the rate

proposed by modern astronomers (about 50.33 " per year), but is of

course LESS (not more, as I said) than the maximum

rate proposed by traditional Vedic astrologers (54 " per year). So

the start date of 366 does not seem in any way preposterous. Please

excuse me. It does seem, though, that the rate varies over time, and

it would be interesting and helpful to have any information on this.

Best wishes

Graham

 

 

, " Graham Fox "

<fox.graham@w...> wrote:

>

> Dear François and Ash,

> I've checked the rate of precession used by the new KAS

spreadsheet

> for the period that it will calculate. It seems to be using a

> variable, and in fact slightly accelerating precession rate. For

> example, between 1900 and 1930, the rate averages at 50.26 " . But

> between 1900 and 2099, the rate averages at 50.29 " per year

> However, in order to have a starting date of 2nd February 366

> (Gregorian calendar), and to arrive at 21°33'23 " in 1900, it would

> need a much faster overall average precession rate of 50.58 " per

> year. This seems unlikely: not only is it much greater than the

rate

> proposed by modern astronomers, but also greater than the maximum

> rate proposed by traditional Vedic astrologers (54 " per year).

> It would be nice to have confirmation from Krushna of the correct

> start date, and/or from the creators of the spreadsheet as to how

> they calculate precession rate. In the meantime, I'm quite happy

to

> use the new spreadsheet and to set aside the question of the

> starting date.

> Best wishes

> Graham

>

>

> , " FRANCOIS

CARRIERE "

> <shaula001@g...> wrote:

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73> écrivit:

> >

> > > Dear David Rheaume,

> > >

> > > The start date of the Krushnas Ayanamsa is not changed not has

> been

> > > updated its still the same as 24th Feb 366 AD.

> > >

> > > You might want to refer to the archives where such discussion

> have

> > > taken place and the reason for the difference.

> > >

> > > For those who know how to compute the value of ayanamsa the

start

> > > date of Krushnas Ayanamsa = 24th FEBRUARY 366 AD. That hasent

> > > changed.

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Thank you for your kind answer. I will answer David on the

French

> list, it

> > will be easier. However, given the data I use (with precession

> rate used by

> > Swiss Ephemeris and Astrolog freeware), a date of november 6,

350,

> seems to

> > work better with the other software I use. David told in me a

> private email

> > that Philippe Bonin defined a polar longitude as the degree of

> ecliptic that

> > is culminating at the same time of the star (Spica in our case).

> Using this

> > definition, november 6, 350, match with a tropical midheaven of

> > 0°0°44 " Libra. Then with the modern rate of precession, from this

> date, we

> > get 22°57'11 " for year 2000.

> >

> > However, using the updated spreadsheet, I do not understand how

we

> can take

> > 24th feb 366, since it uses Swiss Ephemeris dll... how then is

> calculated

> > the precession?

> >

> > --

> > With my best regards,

> > François

> >

>

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