Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Dear Ash, MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and give your Rules for our easy following. 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for any house, the results of that house may happen beneficially. 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that may not happen and if happens the results may be with come problems. 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, the results of that those may still happen beneficially to some extent. 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that house may not happen. 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any house or together, there may be problems in the results of that house. If the 6th lord is more powerful > 12, there may be more problems. 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, there may be problems in the results of that house. If L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the results of that house may happen in the more powerful or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged in those linked houses also. 10) Results of the houses for different combination of MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ circumstances/ country etc of the individual. Please reply at your convenience. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu "Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu"PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & French)International Consultant & Researcher- AstrologyFormer Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of India67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India,Phone: +91-040-24530210Email: pvrrayudu: pvrrayudu; pvrrayudu; rayaduWeb: http://www.rayuduastrology.com Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and AD is not in line with KAS. It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in the archives that 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then Event WILL happen 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then event WILL NOT happen. Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask you a question. Please tell me what is your understanding of Mahadasha. Can you explain your understanding preferably using an example. Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go in deeper. We can have this as a group discussion so all can benefit from the same. Lets focus on the very very basic. Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy represents the Karaktwa for an event. Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we can proceed to next level. Awating you reply. Cheers !!! Ash "Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu" <pvrrayudu wrote: Dear Ash, MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and give your Rules for our easy following. 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for any house, the results of that house may happen beneficially. 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that may not happen and if happens the results may be with come problems. 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, the results of that those may still happen beneficially to some extent. 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that house may not happen. 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any house or together, there may be problems in the results of that house. If the 6th lord is more powerful > 12, there may be more problems. 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, there may be problems in the results of that house. If L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the results of that house may happen in the more powerful or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged in those linked houses also. 10) Results of the houses for different combination of MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ circumstances/ country etc of the individual. Please reply at your convenience. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu "Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu"PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & French)International Consultant & Researcher- AstrologyFormer Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of India67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India,Phone: +91-040-24530210Email: pvrrayudu: pvrrayudu; pvrrayudu; rayaduWeb: http://www.rayuduastrology.com MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. Through discussion we may certainly build up our knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions according to my own concept as much as I understood till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails that , 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then Event WILL happen 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then event WILL NOT happen. According to my understandings MD lord has its own karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD lord and its houses. Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is already before the forum. But I am putting it again for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong also so pls do not confuse. Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth house is being considered as house B as lagna of his father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house of longevity for the father. For the longevity of father we have to focus 4th house as B. 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th house. MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship also . Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and AD is not in line with KAS. It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in the archives that 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then Event WILL happen 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then event WILL NOT happen. Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask you a question. Please tell me what is your understanding of Mahadasha. Can you explain your understanding preferably using an example. Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go in deeper. We can have this as a group discussion so all can benefit from the same. Lets focus on the very very basic. Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy represents the Karaktwa for an event. Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we can proceed to next level. Awating you reply. Cheers !!! Ash " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: Dear Ash, MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and give your Rules for our easy following. 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for any house, the results of that house may happen beneficially. 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that may not happen and if happens the results may be with come problems. 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, the results of that those may still happen beneficially to some extent. 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that house may not happen. 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any house or together, there may be problems in the results of that house. If the 6th lord is more powerful > 12, there may be more problems. 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, there may be problems in the results of that house. If L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the results of that house may happen in the more powerful or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged in those linked houses also. 10) Results of the houses for different combination of MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ circumstances/ country etc of the individual. Please reply at your convenience. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & French) International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of India 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India, Phone: +91-040-24530210 Email: pvrrayudu: pvrrayudu; pvrrayudu; rayadu Web: http://www.rayuduastrology.com Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Dear Ramesh, Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear on KAS. What I am talking about is basics and what I meant by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry if that caused confusion. So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house of a chart. It means 10th house is B. Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of that. What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of karaktwa? Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. Through discussion we may certainly build up our knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions according to my own concept as much as I understood till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails that , 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then Event WILL happen 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then event WILL NOT happen. According to my understandings MD lord has its own karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD lord and its houses. Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is already before the forum. But I am putting it again for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong also so pls do not confuse. Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth house is being considered as house B as lagna of his father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house of longevity for the father. For the longevity of father we have to focus 4th house as B. 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th house. MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship also . Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and AD is not in line with KAS. It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in the archives that 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then Event WILL happen 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then event WILL NOT happen. Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask you a question. Please tell me what is your understanding of Mahadasha. Can you explain your understanding preferably using an example. Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go in deeper. We can have this as a group discussion so all can benefit from the same. Lets focus on the very very basic. Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy represents the Karaktwa for an event. Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we can proceed to next level. Awating you reply. Cheers !!! Ash " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " wrote: Dear Ash, MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and give your Rules for our easy following. 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for any house, the results of that house may happen beneficially. 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that may not happen and if happens the results may be with come problems. 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, the results of that those may still happen beneficially to some extent. 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that house may not happen. 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any house or together, there may be problems in the results of that house. If the 6th lord is more powerful > 12, there may be more problems. 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, there may be problems in the results of that house. If L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the results of that house may happen in the more powerful or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged in those linked houses also. 10) Results of the houses for different combination of MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ circumstances/ country etc of the individual. Please reply at your convenience. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & French) International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of India 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India, Phone: +91-040-24530210 Email: pvrrayudu: pvrrayudu; pvrrayudu; rayadu Web: http://www.rayuduastrology.com Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Dear Ramesh and Ash, First of all, I would like to call Maha Dasa Lord as MPL as per the lessons, in stead of MD, and Sub Dasa Lord SPL instead of AD. As per the Lesson, the MPL rules the events which will be in force and for which the SPLs will give results. The events would generally be limited to the house for which MPL is the Functional Karaka (FK) and then for the houses for which it is the Natural Karaka (NK). The event could also take place for which the MPL is the karaka for house D or E. So I understand that the MPL should be linked to the SPLs and so I have tried to give some rules between MPL and SPL as per my understanding. But it looks that they are not in line with KAS. I understand if MPL (MD) is not in favour means it has got less points in WS for Focus House B and SPL is in favour means it has got more points in WS for B and so even if MPL has got less points, if the SPL has got more points the event may still happen. Similarly I understand if the MPL is in favour means it has got more points in WS for B and SPL is not in favour means it has got less points in WS for B and so even if MPL has got more points, if the SPL has got less points, the event may not happen. I have already mentioned in Rule 6 of my mail below that the MPL would give more as FK/ NK and in Rule 3 that if the MPL < 12 and SPL >12 the result may still happen and if MPL > 12 and SPL <12 the result may not happen. Let me explain with the same example given by Ramesh, for which I had already replied to him. Here the native is Cancer lagna. 9th Pisces is father. The 8th longevity of father from 9th is 4th house Libra of native and the 8th from 4th is Taurus the FK (A) for Libra and the lord of FK is Venus. So Venus is FK for father’s longevity, which should represent MPL. The 4th is FK (A) to father’s 1st (lagna) NOT for 8th longevity of father. Of course in this case, by coincidence, the Libra 4th lord also happens to be Venus. But Venus has got less point 9 in WS for 4th. So Venus is not considered as MPL. Venus has got no Functional SDs. Even taking Saturn as Natural SD to Venus, Saturn has also got less points 11 in WS for 4th and so Saturn MPL also cannot be taken. Saturn is the starting MPL and the subsequent MPLs are Mercury and Ketu before Venus MPL. Ketu is in Mercury sign and Rahu star. Rahu is in Jupiter sign and Venus star. So Ketu represents Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. Ketu is in Gemini where Mercury and Venus have got 5 points and Jupiter has got 2 points. So Ketu can more represent Mercury and Venus. Venus the FK is not connected to Mercury, though Mercury has got more points 16 in WS for 4th. So the MPLs Saturn, Mercury, Ketu and Venus need not be considered. The next MPL Sun having more points 13 for 4th is connected indirectly to Venus the FK through Saturn as functional SD to Saturn, since Sun and Saturn are together. Then the next preference of NK is considered. The natural sign for father is Sagittarius .The longevity house for this is Cancer 8th from Sagittarius. Cancer is taken as focus house B and NK (A) for Cancer is Aquarius whose lord is Saturn. So Saturn is NK for longevity for father. Saturn is SD to Sun being together. Sun having more points 13 can be taken as MPL. Having fixed the MPL, the SPL in MPL Sun is to be considered. For 4h, the WS points are: Moon 31, Jupiter 30, Mercury, 16, Sun 13, Saturn 11,Mars 10,Venus 9. Moon has got 31 points and is LoD for 4th and in D.Jupiter has got 30 points and is LoE & in D. The next highest is Mercury with 16 points. The SPLs Rahu (SD to Venus being in Venus star), Saturn, Mars and Venus are not considered since they have got less than 12 points in WS for 4th. The SPLs Moon and Jupiter are eager to give the result being LoD & LoE in addition to having high points. But Jupiter is 6th lord and Moon is with 6th lord Jupiter and so they will not give the result. The SPL Mercury with 16 points as SD to Moon will not give the result since Mercury is lord of 12th (L12) to 4th. The next SPL Ketu in MPL Sun representing Mercury, Jupiter & Venus will give the result since Jupiter & Mercury have got more points for 4th. The next SPL Venus will not give the result since Venus has got less points of 9. So the MPL Sun and SPL Ketu is fixed. The event did happen in this period. As per the Rules I have given, both the MPL Sun and SPL Ketu (Jupiter & Mercury) have greater than 12 points and so the event happened. The other period lords are eliminated as 6th or 12th lord as per the other Rules given by me. I have understood MPL as FK/NK and SPL as LoD/LoE and tried my best to explain. It may still be wrong. Please correct the same and guide, Blessings Pemmaraju V.R.Rayudu ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. Through discussion we may certainly build up our knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions according to my own concept as much as I understood till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails that , 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then Event WILL happen 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then event WILL NOT happen. According to my understandings MD lord has its own karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD lord and its houses. Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is already before the forum. But I am putting it again for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong also so pls do not confuse. Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth house is being considered as house B as lagna of his father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house of longevity for the father. For the longevity of father we have to focus 4th house as B. 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th house. MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship also . Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and AD is not in line with KAS. It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in the archives that 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then Event WILL happen 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then event WILL NOT happen. Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask you a question. Please tell me what is your understanding of Mahadasha. Can you explain your understanding preferably using an example. Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go in deeper. We can have this as a group discussion so all can benefit from the same. Lets focus on the very very basic. Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy represents the Karaktwa for an event. Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we can proceed to next level. Awating you reply. Cheers !!! Ash " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: Dear Ash, MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and give your Rules for our easy following. 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for any house, the results of that house may happen beneficially. 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that may not happen and if happens the results may be with come problems. 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, the results of that those may still happen beneficially to some extent. 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that house may not happen. 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any house or together, there may be problems in the results of that house. If the 6th lord is more powerful > 12, there may be more problems. 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, there may be problems in the results of that house. If L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the results of that house may happen in the more powerful or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged in those linked houses also. 10) Results of the houses for different combination of MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ circumstances/ country etc of the individual. Please reply at your convenience. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & French) International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of India 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India, Phone: +91-040-24530210 Email: pvrrayudu: pvrrayudu; pvrrayudu; rayadu Web: http://www.rayuduastrology.com Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, Please take the example of 10th house as B for example and not a chart as of now. The idea is to focus only on the meaning of Karak. I get confused with the terms MPL and SPL. I prefer to address them as MD and AD. Sub period lord might be confused with KP sub lords and hence I avoid it. Just try with taking 10th house of a chart as B and lets just try to undrstand Karak as per KAS. Cheers !!! Ash " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: Dear Ramesh and Ash, First of all, I would like to call Maha Dasa Lord as MPL as per the lessons, in stead of MD, and Sub Dasa Lord SPL instead of AD. As per the Lesson, the MPL rules the events which will be in force and for which the SPLs will give results. The events would generally be limited to the house for which MPL is the Functional Karaka (FK) and then for the houses for which it is the Natural Karaka (NK). The event could also take place for which the MPL is the karaka for house D or E. So I understand that the MPL should be linked to the SPLs and so I have tried to give some rules between MPL and SPL as per my understanding. But it looks that they are not in line with KAS. I understand if MPL (MD) is not in favour means it has got less points in WS for Focus House B and SPL is in favour means it has got more points in WS for B and so even if MPL has got less points, if the SPL has got more points the event may still happen. Similarly I understand if the MPL is in favour means it has got more points in WS for B and SPL is not in favour means it has got less points in WS for B and so even if MPL has got more points, if the SPL has got less points, the event may not happen. I have already mentioned in Rule 6 of my mail below that the MPL would give more as FK/ NK and in Rule 3 that if the MPL < 12 and SPL >12 the result may still happen and if MPL > 12 and SPL <12 the result may not happen. Let me explain with the same example given by Ramesh, for which I had already replied to him. Here the native is Cancer lagna. 9th Pisces is father. The 8th longevity of father from 9th is 4th house Libra of native and the 8th from 4th is Taurus the FK (A) for Libra and the lord of FK is Venus. So Venus is FK for father’s longevity, which should represent MPL. The 4th is FK (A) to father’s 1st (lagna) NOT for 8th longevity of father. Of course in this case, by coincidence, the Libra 4th lord also happens to be Venus. But Venus has got less point 9 in WS for 4th. So Venus is not considered as MPL. Venus has got no Functional SDs. Even taking Saturn as Natural SD to Venus, Saturn has also got less points 11 in WS for 4th and so Saturn MPL also cannot be taken. Saturn is the starting MPL and the subsequent MPLs are Mercury and Ketu before Venus MPL. Ketu is in Mercury sign and Rahu star. Rahu is in Jupiter sign and Venus star. So Ketu represents Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. Ketu is in Gemini where Mercury and Venus have got 5 points and Jupiter has got 2 points. So Ketu can more represent Mercury and Venus. Venus the FK is not connected to Mercury, though Mercury has got more points 16 in WS for 4th. So the MPLs Saturn, Mercury, Ketu and Venus need not be considered. The next MPL Sun having more points 13 for 4th is connected indirectly to Venus the FK through Saturn as functional SD to Saturn, since Sun and Saturn are together. Then the next preference of NK is considered. The natural sign for father is Sagittarius .The longevity house for this is Cancer 8th from Sagittarius. Cancer is taken as focus house B and NK (A) for Cancer is Aquarius whose lord is Saturn. So Saturn is NK for longevity for father. Saturn is SD to Sun being together. Sun having more points 13 can be taken as MPL. Having fixed the MPL, the SPL in MPL Sun is to be considered. For 4h, the WS points are: Moon 31, Jupiter 30, Mercury, 16, Sun 13, Saturn 11,Mars 10,Venus 9. Moon has got 31 points and is LoD for 4th and in D.Jupiter has got 30 points and is LoE & in D. The next highest is Mercury with 16 points. The SPLs Rahu (SD to Venus being in Venus star), Saturn, Mars and Venus are not considered since they have got less than 12 points in WS for 4th. The SPLs Moon and Jupiter are eager to give the result being LoD & LoE in addition to having high points. But Jupiter is 6th lord and Moon is with 6th lord Jupiter and so they will not give the result. The SPL Mercury with 16 points as SD to Moon will not give the result since Mercury is lord of 12th (L12) to 4th. The next SPL Ketu in MPL Sun representing Mercury, Jupiter & Venus will give the result since Jupiter & Mercury have got more points for 4th. The next SPL Venus will not give the result since Venus has got less points of 9. So the MPL Sun and SPL Ketu is fixed. The event did happen in this period. As per the Rules I have given, both the MPL Sun and SPL Ketu (Jupiter & Mercury) have greater than 12 points and so the event happened. The other period lords are eliminated as 6th or 12th lord as per the other Rules given by me. I have understood MPL as FK/NK and SPL as LoD/LoE and tried my best to explain. It may still be wrong. Please correct the same and guide, Blessings Pemmaraju V.R.Rayudu ramesh mishra wrote: Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. Through discussion we may certainly build up our knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions according to my own concept as much as I understood till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails that , 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then Event WILL happen 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then event WILL NOT happen. According to my understandings MD lord has its own karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD lord and its houses. Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is already before the forum. But I am putting it again for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong also so pls do not confuse. Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth house is being considered as house B as lagna of his father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house of longevity for the father. For the longevity of father we have to focus 4th house as B. 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th house. MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship also . Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and AD is not in line with KAS. It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in the archives that 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then Event WILL happen 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then event WILL NOT happen. Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask you a question. Please tell me what is your understanding of Mahadasha. Can you explain your understanding preferably using an example. Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go in deeper. We can have this as a group discussion so all can benefit from the same. Lets focus on the very very basic. Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy represents the Karaktwa for an event. Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we can proceed to next level. Awating you reply. Cheers !!! Ash " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " wrote: Dear Ash, MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and give your Rules for our easy following. 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for any house, the results of that house may happen beneficially. 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that may not happen and if happens the results may be with come problems. 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, the results of that those may still happen beneficially to some extent. 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that house may not happen. 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any house or together, there may be problems in the results of that house. If the 6th lord is more powerful > 12, there may be more problems. 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, there may be problems in the results of that house. If L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the results of that house may happen in the more powerful or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged in those linked houses also. 10) Results of the houses for different combination of MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ circumstances/ country etc of the individual. Please reply at your convenience. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " PEMMARAJU V.R. 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Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Dear Ash, Namaskar, Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every planet has its own quality but this quality of planets depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so we take the rulership of the planet which rules the 8th house from any house.As it is said that in Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we have to observe the placements of karka planets and his strength according to the SAV points whether it is strong or weak. Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK dominates over NK. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra --- Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear on KAS. What I am talking about is basics and what I meant by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry if that caused confusion. So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house of a chart. It means 10th house is B. Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of that. What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of karaktwa? Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. Through discussion we may certainly build up our knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions according to my own concept as much as I understood till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails that , 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then Event WILL happen 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then event WILL NOT happen. According to my understandings MD lord has its own karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD lord and its houses. Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is already before the forum. But I am putting it again for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong also so pls do not confuse. Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth house is being considered as house B as lagna of his father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house of longevity for the father. For the longevity of father we have to focus 4th house as B. 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th house. MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship also . Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and AD is not in line with KAS. It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in the archives that 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then Event WILL happen 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then event WILL NOT happen. Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask you a question. Please tell me what is your understanding of Mahadasha. Can you explain your understanding preferably using an example. Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go in deeper. We can have this as a group discussion so all can benefit from the same. Lets focus on the very very basic. Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy represents the Karaktwa for an event. Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we can proceed to next level. Awating you reply. Cheers !!! Ash " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " wrote: Dear Ash, MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and give your Rules for our easy following. 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for any house, the results of that house may happen beneficially. 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that may not happen and if happens the results may be with come problems. 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, the results of that those may still happen beneficially to some extent. 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the results of that house may not happen. 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any house or together, there may be problems in the results of that house. If the 6th lord is more powerful > 12, there may be more problems. 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, there may be problems in the results of that house. If L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the results of that house may happen in the more powerful or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged in those linked houses also. 10) Results of the houses for different combination of MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ circumstances/ country etc of the individual. Please reply at your convenience. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " PEMMARAJU V.R. 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Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th as B and 5th lord is functional karak. Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure that we are all in synch in our understanding. Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event are we using Karak ? Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of event. If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). So that answers the timing of event. Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World operations. Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even Reason. In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got promotion and became a supervisor. So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of event. This is very important concept. Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > strong or weak. > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > dominates over NK. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > --- Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > on KAS. > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > if that caused confusion. > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > that. > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > karaktwa? > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > according to my own concept as much as I understood > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > that , > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > Event WILL happen > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > event WILL NOT happen. > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > lord and its houses. > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > also so pls do not confuse. > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > house. > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > also . > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > wrote: > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > AD is not in line with KAS. > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > the archives that > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > Event WILL happen > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > event WILL NOT happen. > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > you a question. > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > Mahadasha. > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > example. > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > in deeper. > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > benefit from the same. > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > can proceed to next level. > > Awating you reply. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > wrote: > Dear Ash, > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > give your Rules for our easy following. > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > any house, the results of that house may happen > beneficially. > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > results may be with come problems. > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > the results of that those may still happen > beneficially to some extent. > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > results of that house may not happen. > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > house or together, there may be problems in the > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > in those linked houses also. > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > Please reply at your convenience. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & > French) > International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology > Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of > India > 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India, > Phone: +91-040-24530210 > Email: pvrrayudu: pvrrayudu; > pvrrayudu; rayadu > Web: http://www.rayuduastrology.com > > Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > attachments. > > > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Dear Ash, Thank you very much for this mail and the earlier one. You have taken lot of time and trouble to explain. You said that you would give more about MD and AD in your next mail. Thank you. I will be very grateful if you can explain with respect to my horoscope, so that I can understand much better. I know that it is too much to ask intruding into your precious time. Please do not misunderstand that it is a consultation and I know this is not a forum for consultation. Earlier you had already explained my Mercury MD and Venus, Sun, Moon ADs with respect to wife, son, but unfortunately it was deleted by mistake. I give below my details about profession. I do not know whether to take the house where MD is placed also in addition to the lordship houses. I do not know whether AD would give results of the houses for which the MD is not FK/NK etc. I do not venture to analyse my profession since I am still not confident. DoB 7 September 1938, ToB 08:56:16 hrs; PoB Vizianagaram, Andhra Pradesh State, India 18N07, 83E26 After Mechanical Engineering degree in 1959, I joined job as Junior Engineer in a private Sirpur Paper Mills, Sirpur Kaghaznagar, about 600 km from Hyderabad in Jan 1960. I resigned the job in Nov 1960 and joined Defence Research & Development Organisation, Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Delhi on 5 Dec 1960 as Junior Research fellow under training programme. In Delhi, I was there from Dec 1960 to April 1961 attending the orientation and training programme and visiting Defence forward areas in Kashmir etc. I was transferred to Armament R & D Establishment ( ARDE) Pune in April 1961 and then selected as Gazetted officer Scientist “B” on 12 June 1962 ( Rahu MD-Sun AD). I worked in Gun Recoil Systems in ARDE. In June 1963 I was transferred to efence R & D Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad and again sent to training in Guided Missiles to Institute of Armament Studies, Pune in Oct 1963 for about one year. After return I was promoted as Scientist “C” in November 1965 (Jupiter MD- Jupiter AD), as Scientist “D” in June 1972 (Jupiter MD Ketu AD) and as Scientist “E” in April 1982 (Saturn MD- Saturn AD)(. I took voluntary retirement on 1 September 1990 (Saturn MD- Venus AD) to pursue my hobbies of Astrology and Philosophy. Since then I wrote two books on Astrology of my research, along with my wife traveled many countries on invitation to attend astrology conferences and pleasure trips and visited many Ashram & Gurus. Presently also just I am continuing my hobby of astrology but with less vigor and more towards meditation. Presently I am running Mercury MD and Venus AD till August 2006.I do not know how to analyze my profession as per KAS further. Please take your time and reply. Once again I appreciate your efforts to explain the points. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th as B and 5th lord is functional karak. Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure that we are all in synch in our understanding. Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event are we using Karak ? Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of event. If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). So that answers the timing of event. Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World operations. Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even Reason. In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got promotion and became a supervisor. So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of event. This is very important concept. Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > strong or weak. > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > dominates over NK. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > --- Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > on KAS. > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > if that caused confusion. > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > that. > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > karaktwa? > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th as B and 5th lord is functional karak. Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure that we are all in synch in our understanding. Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event are we using Karak ? Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of event. If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). So that answers the timing of event. Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World operations. Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even Reason. In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got promotion and became a supervisor. So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of event. This is very important concept. Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > strong or weak. > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > dominates over NK. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > --- Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > on KAS. > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > if that caused confusion. > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > that. > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > karaktwa? > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > according to my own concept as much as I understood > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > that , > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > Event WILL happen > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > event WILL NOT happen. > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > lord and its houses. > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > also so pls do not confuse. > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > house. > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > also . > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > wrote: > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > AD is not in line with KAS. > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > the archives that > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > Event WILL happen > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > event WILL NOT happen. > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > you a question. > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > Mahadasha. > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > example. > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > in deeper. > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > benefit from the same. > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > can proceed to next level. > > Awating you reply. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > wrote: > Dear Ash, > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > give your Rules for our easy following. > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > any house, the results of that house may happen > beneficially. > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > results may be with come problems. > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > the results of that those may still happen > beneficially to some extent. > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > results of that house may not happen. > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > house or together, there may be problems in the > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > in those linked houses also. > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > Please reply at your convenience. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > PEMMARAJU V.R. 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Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju and Ramesh, Here is my attempt. Please see my answers in CAPS below. Cheers !!! Ash " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: Dear Ash, Thank you very much for this mail and the earlier one. You have taken lot of time and trouble to explain. You said that you would give more about MD and AD in your next mail. Thank you. I will be very grateful if you can explain with respect to my horoscope, so that I can understand much better. I know that it is too much to ask intruding into your precious time. Please do not misunderstand that it is a consultation and I know this is not a forum for consultation. Earlier you had already explained my Mercury MD and Venus, Sun, Moon ADs with respect to wife, son, but unfortunately it was deleted by mistake. I give below my details about profession. I do not know whether to take the house where MD is placed also in addition to the lordship houses. I do not know whether AD would give results of the houses for which the MD is not FK/NK etc. I do not venture to analyse my profession since I am still not confident. ASH : PLEASE SEE BELOW. DoB 7 September 1938, ToB 08:56:16 hrs; PoB Vizianagaram, Andhra Pradesh State, India 18N07, 83E26 After Mechanical Engineering degree in 1959, I joined job as Junior Engineer in a private Sirpur Paper Mills, Sirpur Kaghaznagar, about 600 km from Hyderabad in Jan 1960. ASH: RAHU MD IS ON FROM 1947 THRU 1965. RAHU IS IN KARAK STHAN FOR 6TH HOUSE. RA IS SD TO VE AND JU. JU IS KARAK FOR 5TH. DURING THIS MD THE FLAVOUR WILL BE THAT OF 6TH AND THE HOUSE THAT JU AND VE ARE KARAKS FOR. IT WAS DURING THIS MD, YOU GOT YOUR DEGREE AND THEN U GOT YOUR FIRST JOB IN VE ANTRA. VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 POINTS FOR 10TH HOUSE, 10 POINTS FOR 11TH HOUSE. I resigned the job in Nov 1960 and joined Defence Research & Development Organisation, ASH: START OF JOB IN VENUS ANTRA WITH 12 POINTS AND LESS POWER FOR 11TH AND 10TH HOUSE. YOU ALSO RESIGNED AND JOINED ANOTHER JOB. HERE VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 FOR 10TH HOUSE AND 11 POINTS FOR 11TH AND -2 FOR 7TH. Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Delhi on 5 Dec 1960 as Junior Research fellow under training programme. In Delhi, I was there from Dec 1960 to April 1961 attending the orientation and training programme and visiting Defence forward areas in Kashmir etc. ASH : STILL TILL APRIL 1961 YOU WERE IN VENUS ANTRA. I was transferred to Armament R & D Establishment ( ARDE) Pune in April 1961 and then selected as Gazetted officer Scientist “B” on 12 June 1962 ( Rahu MD-Sun AD). ASH : THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE SUN ANTRA STARTED YOU CAN SEE THE POWER. FROM THE WS. IT HAS GOT 18 POINTS IN 6TH AND ITS LOE. THE POWER OF SUN IS ALSO 14 IN 10TH HOUSE BUT EXPENSES ARE EQUAL TO INCOME HERE. SUN IS ALSO SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH HOUSE. SO HERE YOU GOT GOOD STATUS AND SAY A PROMOTION TOO. SUN IS ALSO SD TO GURU WHO IS LOE FOR 10TH. SO HERE SUN GETS HELP TOO.. AGAIN THE MD IS RAHU SO YOUR MIND WILL BE AROUND JOB AND AUTHORITY. I worked in Gun Recoil Systems in ARDE. In June 1963 I was transferred to efence R & D Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad and again sent to training in Guided Missiles to Institute of Armament Studies, Pune in Oct 1963 for about one year. After return I was promoted as Scientist “C” in November 1965 (Jupiter MD- Jupiter AD), as Scientist “D” ASH: NOW IN 1965/MAY THE MAHADASHA CHANGED AND SO THE KARAKTWA RELATED TO RAHU (VE AND JU AND 6TH) WILL DIMINISH AND KARAKTWA FOR GURU WILL START. HERE GURU IS IN 5TH HOUSE WITH 7 BINDUS SO HERE GURU WILL ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KARAK FOR 10TH HOUSE. GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 8TH HOUSE (RESEARCH, ASTROLOGY) AND 11TH HOUSE. GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 2ND AND 5TH HOUSE. SO ALL THE ANTRAS IN GURU WILL HAVE A TOUCH OF THAT MEANS FLAVOUR OF THAT. NOW AS SOON AS GURU AD STARTED AND GURU BEING LOE FOR 10TH, ITS KARAK FOR 10TH, SD TO LOE TO 6TH HOUSE SUN, LOE TO VENUS WHO IS LORD OF SELF AND LOD FOR 11TH AND KARAK FOR PERSONALITY AND ALSO LOE FOR INITIATIVES. SO U MUST HAVE GOT GOOD STATUS AND PROMOTION. in June 1972 (Jupiter MD Ketu AD) and as Scientist “E” ASH: GURU MD AND KETU ANTRA. KETU IS IN HOUSE D FOR 10TH AS B. AGAIN KETU IN HOUSE DO FOR 10TH AS B WILL BE EAGER TO GIVE U PROMOTION. THE MD IS GURU SO AGAIN GOOD STATUS. SO FOR TIMING OF EVENT I AM NOT USING MD. HERE ITS SHOWING THE INFLUENCE GOING ON. in April 1982 (Saturn MD- Saturn AD)(. I took voluntary retirement on 1 September 1990 (Saturn MD- Venus AD) to pursue my hobbies of Astrology and Philosophy. ASH: SHANI IS LORD OF 4TH AND 5TH SO ITS KARAK FOR 9TH AND 10TH MATTERS. SHANI IS NK FOR 4TH AND 3RD TOO. HERE YOUR MIND IS PARTLY AROUND AUTHORITY BUT ALSO NOW ITS CHANGED TOWARDS 9TH MATTERS SO SPIRITUAL PERSUITS AND U CAME IN CONTACT WITH GURUS'S AND TEACHERS, SPIRITUAL PERSUITS. AGAIN SHANI IS KARAK FOR 4TH HOUSE SO THINGS RELATED TO REAL HAPPINESS AND THAT ALSO COMES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND ALSO THAT OF HARD WORK AND INITIATIVES. SHANI IS ALSO IN 6TH HOUSE WITH 5 BINDUS SO HERE IT WILL ALSO ACT OR GIVE KARKATWA FOR 11TH HOUSE AND FULLFILLMENT OF DESIRES AND ALSO THAT OF INCOME AND FINANCES. Since then I wrote two books on Astrology of my research, along with my wife traveled many countries on invitation to attend astrology conferences and pleasure trips and visited many Ashram & Gurus. Presently also just I am continuing my hobby of astrology but with less vigor and more towards meditation. Presently I am running Mercury MD and Venus AD till August 2006.I do not know how to analyze my profession as per KAS further. ASH: I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE. IN SA MD, SA WILL HAVE KARAKTWA FOR 3RD, 4TH, 10TH, 9TH AND 11TH HOUSE. Please take your time and reply. Once again I appreciate your efforts to explain the points. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th as B and 5th lord is functional karak. Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure that we are all in synch in our understanding. Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event are we using Karak ? Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of event. If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). So that answers the timing of event. Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World operations. Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even Reason. In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got promotion and became a supervisor. So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of event. This is very important concept. Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > strong or weak. > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > dominates over NK. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > --- Ash wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > on KAS. > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > if that caused confusion. > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > that. > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > karaktwa? > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th as B and 5th lord is functional karak. Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure that we are all in synch in our understanding. Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event are we using Karak ? Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of event. If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). So that answers the timing of event. Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World operations. Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even Reason. In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got promotion and became a supervisor. So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of event. This is very important concept. Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > strong or weak. > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > dominates over NK. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > --- Ash wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > on KAS. > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > if that caused confusion. > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > that. > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > karaktwa? > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > ramesh mishra wrote: > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > according to my own concept as much as I understood > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > that , > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > Event WILL happen > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > event WILL NOT happen. > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > lord and its houses. > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > also so pls do not confuse. > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > house. > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > also . > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > wrote: > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > AD is not in line with KAS. > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > the archives that > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > Event WILL happen > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > event WILL NOT happen. > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > you a question. > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > Mahadasha. > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > example. > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > in deeper. > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > benefit from the same. > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > can proceed to next level. > > Awating you reply. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > wrote: > Dear Ash, > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > give your Rules for our easy following. > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > any house, the results of that house may happen > beneficially. > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > results may be with come problems. > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > the results of that those may still happen > beneficially to some extent. > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > results of that house may not happen. > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > house or together, there may be problems in the > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > in those linked houses also. > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > Please reply at your convenience. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > PEMMARAJU V.R. 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dear Ash ( /Ramesh), Thank you very for your quick reply. I did my analysis last night before receiving your reply to compare with yours. I am happy that I got almost same analysis. But I got some doubts as below. Please clarify at your leisure. I got my first job in Rahu MD and Venus AD. Rahu is in Libra Venus sign & Jupiter star. Venus has 6 points and Jupiter has 2 points in Libra. So Rahu is more SD to Venus.Venus is FK to 6th house representing Job. So Rahu is perfectly OK as MD for job. Venus is AD. But Venus as AD is connected to 6 th as FK/ LoA only though got 12 points in 6th. Here for 6th, Venus (representing Rahu)is FK as MD and FK as AD. Can we take FK for a house for AD also similar to MD, even when AD does not represent the house in any other way as LoD/ LoE / in D/ in E? Similarly in Saturn MD and Saturn AD, I got promotion when Saturn as MD is FK to 10th house. But Saturn as AD is again FK only to 10th and not connected to 10th as LoD/ LoE/ in D/in E, having 13 points in 10th. I got promotion in Jupiter MD and Jupiter AD, but in this case Jupiter as MD is FK to 10th being placed in 5th and Jupiter as AD is LoE to 10th in addition to FK to 10th, with 28 points in 10th. Though I took voluntary retirement, it amounts to that I lost my job in Saturn MD and Venus AD and did not join another official job. Earlier in Rahu MD and Venus AD, I got a job, resigned and again joined another job. I do not know how this Venus in Saturn MD has not given another official job, though I took my hobbies as job only. Venus as AD gave job in Rahu MD and the same Venus as AD in Saturn MD removed the job. Is it because Venus has got more points for 9th ( 12th to 10th) than 10th? I do not understand. Please explain. In your analysis, you said that Jupiter is SD to Sun. I do not understand it. In Summary it is given that the Planets in the sign of LD or LE > or = 5 points is SD to LoD or LoE. Here for 6th, Sun is in D Leo and Jupiter is LoE. So Jupiter & Sun are SDs, in 1:7 and Jupiter has more points in 5th than Sun in 11th and so Sun gets help from Jupiter. Understanding the role of SDs is still giving problem to me.. Am I correct? Please explain. In Summary, it is mentioned that the sub period planet entered in the cell would be shown in Green colour and would give the results of the houses mentioned against them. So have we to take the houses in Summary table only for Sub period planets results and /or have we to consider the other houses mentioned in the WS also for that sub period planet? Please clarify. For the MD of Mercury and its ADs, I will try my analysis later on, after learning from you more about MD,AD, SDs and their application. Sorry to give you more trouble. But keen to learn and understand better, so I cannot help but to trouble you. Please take your time and reply. Blessings Pemmaraju V. r. Rayudu Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju and Ramesh, Here is my attempt. Please see my answers in CAPS below. Cheers !!! Ash " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: Dear Ash, Thank you very much for this mail and the earlier one. You have taken lot of time and trouble to explain. You said that you would give more about MD and AD in your next mail. Thank you. I will be very grateful if you can explain with respect to my horoscope, so that I can understand much better. I know that it is too much to ask intruding into your precious time. Please do not misunderstand that it is a consultation and I know this is not a forum for consultation. Earlier you had already explained my Mercury MD and Venus, Sun, Moon ADs with respect to wife, son, but unfortunately it was deleted by mistake. I give below my details about profession. I do not know whether to take the house where MD is placed also in addition to the lordship houses. I do not know whether AD would give results of the houses for which the MD is not FK/NK etc. I do not venture to analyse my profession since I am still not confident. ASH : PLEASE SEE BELOW. DoB 7 September 1938, ToB 08:56:16 hrs; PoB Vizianagaram, Andhra Pradesh State, India 18N07, 83E26 After Mechanical Engineering degree in 1959, I joined job as Junior Engineer in a private Sirpur Paper Mills, Sirpur Kaghaznagar, about 600 km from Hyderabad in Jan 1960. ASH: RAHU MD IS ON FROM 1947 THRU 1965. RAHU IS IN KARAK STHAN FOR 6TH HOUSE. RA IS SD TO VE AND JU. JU IS KARAK FOR 5TH. DURING THIS MD THE FLAVOUR WILL BE THAT OF 6TH AND THE HOUSE THAT JU AND VE ARE KARAKS FOR. IT WAS DURING THIS MD, YOU GOT YOUR DEGREE AND THEN U GOT YOUR FIRST JOB IN VE ANTRA. VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 POINTS FOR 10TH HOUSE, 10 POINTS FOR 11TH HOUSE. I resigned the job in Nov 1960 and joined Defence Research & Development Organisation, ASH: START OF JOB IN VENUS ANTRA WITH 12 POINTS AND LESS POWER FOR 11TH AND 10TH HOUSE. YOU ALSO RESIGNED AND JOINED ANOTHER JOB. HERE VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 FOR 10TH HOUSE AND 11 POINTS FOR 11TH AND -2 FOR 7TH. Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Delhi on 5 Dec 1960 as Junior Research fellow under training programme. In Delhi, I was there from Dec 1960 to April 1961 attending the orientation and training programme and visiting Defence forward areas in Kashmir etc. ASH : STILL TILL APRIL 1961 YOU WERE IN VENUS ANTRA. I was transferred to Armament R & D Establishment ( ARDE) Pune in April 1961 and then selected as Gazetted officer Scientist “B” on 12 June 1962 ( Rahu MD-Sun AD). ASH : THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE SUN ANTRA STARTED YOU CAN SEE THE POWER. FROM THE WS. IT HAS GOT 18 POINTS IN 6TH AND ITS LOE. THE POWER OF SUN IS ALSO 14 IN 10TH HOUSE BUT EXPENSES ARE EQUAL TO INCOME HERE. SUN IS ALSO SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH HOUSE. SO HERE YOU GOT GOOD STATUS AND SAY A PROMOTION TOO. SUN IS ALSO SD TO GURU WHO IS LOE FOR 10TH. SO HERE SUN GETS HELP TOO.. AGAIN THE MD IS RAHU SO YOUR MIND WILL BE AROUND JOB AND AUTHORITY. I worked in Gun Recoil Systems in ARDE. In June 1963 I was transferred to efence R & D Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad and again sent to training in Guided Missiles to Institute of Armament Studies, Pune in Oct 1963 for about one year. After return I was promoted as Scientist “C” in November 1965 (Jupiter MD- Jupiter AD), as Scientist “D” ASH: NOW IN 1965/MAY THE MAHADASHA CHANGED AND SO THE KARAKTWA RELATED TO RAHU (VE AND JU AND 6TH) WILL DIMINISH AND KARAKTWA FOR GURU WILL START. HERE GURU IS IN 5TH HOUSE WITH 7 BINDUS SO HERE GURU WILL ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KARAK FOR 10TH HOUSE. GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 8TH HOUSE (RESEARCH, ASTROLOGY) AND 11TH HOUSE. GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 2ND AND 5TH HOUSE. SO ALL THE ANTRAS IN GURU WILL HAVE A TOUCH OF THAT MEANS FLAVOUR OF THAT. NOW AS SOON AS GURU AD STARTED AND GURU BEING LOE FOR 10TH, ITS KARAK FOR 10TH, SD TO LOE TO 6TH HOUSE SUN, LOE TO VENUS WHO IS LORD OF SELF AND LOD FOR 11TH AND KARAK FOR PERSONALITY AND ALSO LOE FOR INITIATIVES. SO U MUST HAVE GOT GOOD STATUS AND PROMOTION. in June 1972 (Jupiter MD Ketu AD) and as Scientist “E” ASH: GURU MD AND KETU ANTRA. KETU IS IN HOUSE D FOR 10TH AS B. AGAIN KETU IN HOUSE DO FOR 10TH AS B WILL BE EAGER TO GIVE U PROMOTION. THE MD IS GURU SO AGAIN GOOD STATUS. SO FOR TIMING OF EVENT I AM NOT USING MD. HERE ITS SHOWING THE INFLUENCE GOING ON. in April 1982 (Saturn MD- Saturn AD)(. I took voluntary retirement on 1 September 1990 (Saturn MD- Venus AD) to pursue my hobbies of Astrology and Philosophy. ASH: SHANI IS LORD OF 4TH AND 5TH SO ITS KARAK FOR 9TH AND 10TH MATTERS. SHANI IS NK FOR 4TH AND 3RD TOO. HERE YOUR MIND IS PARTLY AROUND AUTHORITY BUT ALSO NOW ITS CHANGED TOWARDS 9TH MATTERS SO SPIRITUAL PERSUITS AND U CAME IN CONTACT WITH GURUS'S AND TEACHERS, SPIRITUAL PERSUITS. AGAIN SHANI IS KARAK FOR 4TH HOUSE SO THINGS RELATED TO REAL HAPPINESS AND THAT ALSO COMES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND ALSO THAT OF HARD WORK AND INITIATIVES. SHANI IS ALSO IN 6TH HOUSE WITH 5 BINDUS SO HERE IT WILL ALSO ACT OR GIVE KARKATWA FOR 11TH HOUSE AND FULLFILLMENT OF DESIRES AND ALSO THAT OF INCOME AND FINANCES. Since then I wrote two books on Astrology of my research, along with my wife traveled many countries on invitation to attend astrology conferences and pleasure trips and visited many Ashram & Gurus. Presently also just I am continuing my hobby of astrology but with less vigor and more towards meditation. Presently I am running Mercury MD and Venus AD till August 2006.I do not know how to analyze my profession as per KAS further. ASH: I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE. IN SA MD, SA WILL HAVE KARAKTWA FOR 3RD, 4TH, 10TH, 9TH AND 11TH HOUSE. Please take your time and reply. Once again I appreciate your efforts to explain the points. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th as B and 5th lord is functional karak. Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure that we are all in synch in our understanding. Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event are we using Karak ? Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of event. If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). So that answers the timing of event. Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World operations. Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even Reason. In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got promotion and became a supervisor. So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of event. This is very important concept. Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > strong or weak. > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > dominates over NK. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > --- Ash wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > on KAS. > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > if that caused confusion. > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > that. > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > karaktwa? > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th as B and 5th lord is functional karak. Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure that we are all in synch in our understanding. Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event are we using Karak ? Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of event. If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). So that answers the timing of event. Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World operations. Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even Reason. In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got promotion and became a supervisor. So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of event. This is very important concept. Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > strong or weak. > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > dominates over NK. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > --- Ash wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > on KAS. > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > if that caused confusion. > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > that. > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > karaktwa? > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > ramesh mishra wrote: > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > according to my own concept as much as I understood > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > that , > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > Event WILL happen > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > event WILL NOT happen. > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > lord and its houses. > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > also so pls do not confuse. > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > house. > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > also . > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > wrote: > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > AD is not in line with KAS. > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > the archives that > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > Event WILL happen > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > event WILL NOT happen. > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > you a question. > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > Mahadasha. > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > example. > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > in deeper. > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > benefit from the same. > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > can proceed to next level. > > Awating you reply. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > wrote: > Dear Ash, > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > give your Rules for our easy following. > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > any house, the results of that house may happen > beneficially. > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > results may be with come problems. > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > the results of that those may still happen > beneficially to some extent. > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > results of that house may not happen. > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > house or together, there may be problems in the > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > in those linked houses also. > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > Please reply at your convenience. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > PEMMARAJU V.R. 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, You are still trying to somehow link MD to AD. Please stop doing that and everything will get clear. Forget MD, just think of it as it shows the reason. In Rahu MD will be linked with Job, authory or better to say 6th house, 10th, 1st and 6th, 2nd and 12th, 5th and 2nd. So All the antras inside the MD of Rahu will have such flavour. In Guru MD, this changes. The element of 6th, 2nd and 12th is gone and instead the antras now will have flavour of 2nd, 5th, 8th, 11th and 10th. In Shani MD this again change means karaktwa of Guru will end and karaktwa denoted by Shani will start. So your focus on life will be more towards 4th, 3rd, 11th, 10th and 9th matters. Now Md has changed to Mercury. So Shanis karktwa will end and that of mercury will start. Here 8th (and hence so many quesiton on death), 11th, 5th and 2nd will be the key focus. So now your mind will be mostly on matters around such things. Now antra and its power remain same. Another analogy i can give is that Guru say is powerful for 10th house means its eager to give u authority. Now that will be in all the MD's and it does not matter. But influence of life or mindset might be different. Say in MD of Mercury MD and Ju Antra might give u authority as a writer or say u may become the head pujari of your local temple. In MD of 5th lord and in Guru antra u might become a CEO of a company or maybe promoted to say the post of a manager. So in both cases the antra (timing of event) is showing authorty but in what sphere or influence and the level of rise that might be denoted by MD. Also say sometimes you might have noticed that in one MD the person might have millions of Dollars and might be spending lavisly but the same person might not have that much in another MD but in the same antra to spend. Again that is showed by Status. Just dont try to link MD to AD. Think think that MD gives an aroma but timing is from AD. Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash ( /Ramesh), > > Thank you very for your quick reply. I did my analysis last night before receiving your reply to compare with yours. I am happy that I got almost same analysis. But I got some doubts as below. Please clarify at your leisure. > > I got my first job in Rahu MD and Venus AD. Rahu is in Libra Venus sign & Jupiter star. Venus has 6 points and Jupiter has 2 points in Libra. So Rahu is more SD to Venus.Venus is FK to 6th house representing Job. So Rahu is perfectly OK as MD for job. Venus is AD. But Venus as AD is connected to 6 th as FK/ LoA only though got 12 points in 6th. > Here for 6th, Venus (representing Rahu)is FK as MD and FK as AD. > Can we take FK for a house for AD also similar to MD, even when AD does not represent the house in any other way as LoD/ LoE / in D/ in E? Similarly in Saturn MD and Saturn AD, I got promotion when Saturn as MD is FK to 10th house. But Saturn as AD is again FK only to 10th and not connected to 10th as LoD/ LoE/ in D/in E, having 13 points in 10th. I got promotion in Jupiter MD and Jupiter AD, but in this case Jupiter as MD is FK to 10th being placed in 5th and Jupiter as AD is LoE to 10th in addition to FK to 10th, with 28 points in 10th. > > > Though I took voluntary retirement, it amounts to that I lost my job in Saturn MD and Venus AD and did not join another official job. Earlier in Rahu MD and Venus AD, I got a job, resigned and again joined another job. I do not know how this Venus in Saturn MD has not given another official job, though I took my hobbies as job only. Venus as AD gave job in Rahu MD and the same Venus as AD in Saturn MD removed the job. > Is it because Venus has got more points for 9th ( 12th to 10th) than 10th? I do not understand. Please explain. > > In your analysis, you said that Jupiter is SD to Sun. I do not understand it. In Summary it is given that the Planets in the sign of LD or LE > or = 5 points is SD to LoD or LoE. Here for 6th, Sun is in D Leo and Jupiter is LoE. So Jupiter & Sun are SDs, in 1:7 and Jupiter has more points in 5th than Sun in 11th and so Sun gets help from Jupiter. Understanding the role of SDs is still giving problem to me.. Am I correct? Please explain. > > In Summary, it is mentioned that the sub period planet entered in the cell would be shown in Green colour and would give the results of the houses mentioned against them. So have we to take the houses in Summary table only for Sub period planets results and /or have we to consider the other houses mentioned in the WS also for that sub period planet? Please clarify. > > > For the MD of Mercury and its ADs, I will try my analysis later on, after learning from you more about MD,AD, SDs and their application. > > Sorry to give you more trouble. But keen to learn and understand better, so I cannot help but to trouble you. > > Please take your time and reply. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V. r. Rayudu > > > Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju and Ramesh, > > Here is my attempt. Please see my answers in CAPS below. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thank you very much for this mail and the earlier one. You have taken lot of time and trouble to explain. You said that you would give more about MD and AD in your next mail. Thank you. > > I will be very grateful if you can explain with respect to my horoscope, so that I can understand much better. I know that it is too much to ask intruding into your precious time. Please do not misunderstand that it is a consultation and I know this is not a forum for consultation. Earlier you had already explained my Mercury MD and Venus, Sun, Moon ADs with respect to wife, son, but unfortunately it was deleted by mistake. I give below my details about profession. I do not know whether to take the house where MD is placed also in addition to the lordship houses. I do not know whether AD would give results of the houses for which the MD is not FK/NK etc. I do not venture to analyse my profession since I am still not confident. > > > ASH : PLEASE SEE BELOW. > > DoB 7 September 1938, ToB 08:56:16 hrs; PoB Vizianagaram, Andhra Pradesh State, India 18N07, 83E26 > > After Mechanical Engineering degree in 1959, I joined job as Junior Engineer in a private Sirpur Paper Mills, Sirpur Kaghaznagar, about 600 km from Hyderabad in Jan 1960. > > ASH: RAHU MD IS ON FROM 1947 THRU 1965. RAHU IS IN KARAK STHAN FOR 6TH HOUSE. RA IS SD TO VE AND JU. JU IS KARAK FOR 5TH. DURING THIS MD THE FLAVOUR WILL BE THAT OF 6TH AND THE HOUSE THAT JU AND VE ARE KARAKS FOR. > IT WAS DURING THIS MD, YOU GOT YOUR DEGREE AND THEN U GOT YOUR FIRST JOB IN VE ANTRA. VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 POINTS FOR 10TH HOUSE, 10 POINTS FOR 11TH HOUSE. > > > I resigned the job in Nov 1960 and joined Defence Research & Development Organisation, > > ASH: START OF JOB IN VENUS ANTRA WITH 12 POINTS AND LESS POWER FOR 11TH AND 10TH HOUSE. YOU ALSO RESIGNED AND JOINED ANOTHER JOB. HERE VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 FOR 10TH HOUSE AND 11 POINTS FOR 11TH AND -2 FOR 7TH. > > Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Delhi on 5 Dec 1960 as Junior Research fellow under training programme. In Delhi, I was there from Dec 1960 to April 1961 attending the orientation and training programme and visiting Defence forward areas in Kashmir etc. > > ASH : STILL TILL APRIL 1961 YOU WERE IN VENUS ANTRA. > > I was transferred to Armament R & D Establishment ( ARDE) Pune in April 1961 and then selected as Gazetted officer Scientist " B " on 12 June 1962 ( Rahu MD-Sun AD). > > ASH : THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE SUN ANTRA STARTED YOU CAN SEE THE POWER. FROM THE WS. IT HAS GOT 18 POINTS IN 6TH AND ITS LOE. THE POWER OF SUN IS ALSO 14 IN 10TH HOUSE BUT EXPENSES ARE EQUAL TO INCOME HERE. SUN IS ALSO SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH HOUSE. SO HERE YOU GOT GOOD STATUS AND SAY A PROMOTION TOO. SUN IS ALSO SD TO GURU WHO IS LOE FOR 10TH. SO HERE SUN GETS HELP TOO.. AGAIN THE MD IS RAHU SO YOUR MIND WILL BE AROUND JOB AND AUTHORITY. > > I worked in Gun Recoil Systems in ARDE. In June 1963 I was transferred to efence R & D Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad and again sent to training in Guided Missiles to Institute of Armament Studies, Pune in Oct 1963 for about one year. After return I was promoted as Scientist " C " in November 1965 (Jupiter MD- > Jupiter AD), as Scientist " D " > > ASH: NOW IN 1965/MAY THE MAHADASHA CHANGED AND SO THE KARAKTWA RELATED TO RAHU (VE AND JU AND 6TH) WILL DIMINISH AND KARAKTWA FOR GURU WILL START. HERE GURU IS IN 5TH HOUSE WITH 7 BINDUS SO HERE GURU WILL ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KARAK FOR 10TH HOUSE. GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 8TH HOUSE (RESEARCH, ASTROLOGY) AND 11TH HOUSE. GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 2ND AND 5TH HOUSE. SO ALL THE ANTRAS IN GURU WILL HAVE A TOUCH OF THAT MEANS FLAVOUR OF THAT. NOW AS SOON AS GURU AD STARTED AND GURU BEING LOE FOR 10TH, ITS KARAK FOR 10TH, SD TO LOE TO 6TH HOUSE SUN, LOE TO VENUS WHO IS LORD OF SELF AND LOD FOR 11TH AND KARAK FOR PERSONALITY AND ALSO LOE FOR INITIATIVES. SO U MUST HAVE GOT GOOD STATUS AND PROMOTION. > > in June 1972 (Jupiter MD Ketu AD) and as Scientist " E " > > ASH: GURU MD AND KETU ANTRA. KETU IS IN HOUSE D FOR 10TH AS B. AGAIN KETU IN HOUSE DO FOR 10TH AS B WILL BE EAGER TO GIVE U PROMOTION. THE MD IS GURU SO AGAIN GOOD STATUS. SO FOR TIMING OF EVENT I AM NOT USING MD. HERE ITS SHOWING THE INFLUENCE GOING ON. > > in April 1982 (Saturn MD- Saturn AD)(. I took voluntary retirement on 1 September 1990 (Saturn MD- Venus AD) to pursue my hobbies of Astrology and Philosophy. > > ASH: SHANI IS LORD OF 4TH AND 5TH SO ITS KARAK FOR 9TH AND 10TH MATTERS. SHANI IS NK FOR 4TH AND 3RD TOO. HERE YOUR MIND IS PARTLY AROUND AUTHORITY BUT ALSO NOW ITS CHANGED TOWARDS 9TH MATTERS SO SPIRITUAL PERSUITS AND U CAME IN CONTACT WITH GURUS'S AND TEACHERS, SPIRITUAL PERSUITS. AGAIN SHANI IS KARAK FOR 4TH HOUSE SO THINGS RELATED TO REAL HAPPINESS AND THAT ALSO COMES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND ALSO THAT OF HARD WORK AND INITIATIVES. SHANI IS ALSO IN 6TH HOUSE WITH 5 BINDUS SO HERE IT WILL ALSO ACT OR GIVE KARKATWA FOR 11TH HOUSE AND FULLFILLMENT OF DESIRES AND ALSO THAT OF INCOME AND FINANCES. > > Since then I wrote two books on Astrology of my research, along with my wife traveled many countries on invitation to attend astrology conferences and pleasure trips and visited many Ashram & Gurus. Presently also just I am continuing my hobby of astrology but with less vigor and more towards meditation. Presently I am running Mercury MD and Venus AD till August 2006.I do not know how to analyze my profession as per KAS further. > > > ASH: I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE. IN SA MD, SA WILL HAVE KARAKTWA FOR 3RD, 4TH, 10TH, 9TH AND 11TH HOUSE. > > Please take your time and reply. > > Once again I appreciate your efforts to explain the points. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > are we using Karak ? > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > event. > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > So that answers the timing of event. > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > operations. > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > Reason. > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > promotion and became a supervisor. > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > event. > > This is very important concept. > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , ramesh mishra > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > strong or weak. > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > dominates over NK. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > on KAS. > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > if that caused confusion. > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > that. > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > karaktwa? > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > are we using Karak ? > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > event. > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > So that answers the timing of event. > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > operations. > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > Reason. > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > promotion and became a supervisor. > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > event. > > This is very important concept. > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , ramesh mishra > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > strong or weak. > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > dominates over NK. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > on KAS. > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > if that caused confusion. > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > that. > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > karaktwa? > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > > according to my own concept as much as I understood > > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > > that , > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > Event WILL happen > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > event WILL NOT happen. > > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > > lord and its houses. > > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > > also so pls do not confuse. > > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > > house. > > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > > also . > > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > > wrote: > > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > > AD is not in line with KAS. > > > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > > the archives that > > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > Event WILL happen > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > > you a question. > > > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > > Mahadasha. > > > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > > example. > > > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > > in deeper. > > > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > > benefit from the same. > > > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > > can proceed to next level. > > > > Awating you reply. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > > wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > > give your Rules for our easy following. > > > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > > any house, the results of that house may happen > > beneficially. > > > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > > results may be with come problems. > > > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > > the results of that those may still happen > > beneficially to some extent. > > > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > > results of that house may not happen. > > > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > > house or together, there may be problems in the > > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > > in those linked houses also. > > > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > > > Please reply at your convenience. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > > PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & > > French) > > International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology > > Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of > > India > > 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India, > > Phone: +91-040-24530210 > > Email: pvrrayudu@: pvrrayudu@; > > pvrrayudu@; rayadu@ > > Web: http://www.rayuduastrology.com > > > > Mail > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > attachments. > > > > > > > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, I am seperating this mail from the KArak mail that i just sent and will address your question on SD. please read my answers below in CAPS. Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash ( /Ramesh), > ............. > > In your analysis, you said that Jupiter is SD to Sun. I do not understand it. In Summary it is given that the Planets in the sign of LD or LE > or = 5 points is SD to LoD or LoE. Here for 6th, Sun is in D Leo and Jupiter is LoE. So Jupiter & Sun are SDs, in 1:7 and Jupiter has more points in 5th than Sun in 11th and so Sun gets help from Jupiter. Understanding the role of SDs is still giving problem to me.. Am I correct? Please explain. ASH : FIRST THING FIRST IS TO READ NOT JUST THE PART OF MESSAGE BUT THE FULL MESSAGE. LET ME EXPLAIN. PLANEST WILL ACT AS PER THEIR OWN STRENGH AS WELL AS THEY WILL GIVE THE RESULT OF THEIR SD. SUPPOSE TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, SUN IS POWERFUL FOR 5TH HOUSE AND PLACED IN 11TH HOUSE SO FOR SAY 5TH HOUSE MATTER IT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE RESULT AS ITS HAVING ITS ASPECT. HERE ASSUME SUN IS NOT LOD OR LOE FOR 5TH. IN THAT CASE ITS SD WILL COME FORWARD. TAKE YOUR CASE, SUN, ME AND MA ARE ALL TOGETHER IN 11TH HOUSE. THEY ARE ALL SD TO 2ND LORD MARS. SO IN ALL THE ANTRAS YOU MIGHT EXPERIENCE SOME TOOTACHE OR SOME GUM PROBLEMS OR SAY EVEN WORRIES. THIS CONCEPT WILL GET CLEAR WITH MORE PRACTICE AND SOLVING MORE AND MORE CHARTS. NOW COMING BACK TO YOUR OBSERVATOION. GURU IS SD TO SUN. I HOPE ITS CLEAR HOW THAT IS. GURU CONJOINS SUN IN NAVAMSA THEREBY MAKING THEM SAMDHARMI. THIS IS GIVEN IN LESSON. GURU IS PLACED IN LIBRA NAVAMSA SO GURU HAS BECOME SD TO VENUS TOO. NOW GURU WILL GIVE ITS RESULT AS PER ITS POINTS AND ALSO THAT OF ITS SD. NOW SUN IS IN HOUSE E WITH MORE BINDUS FOR 6TH AS B FOR YOUR CHART. SO IN THAT CASE ITS ADDING THAT TOUCH TO GURU TOO. GURU ITSELF IS LOD FOR 6TH HOUSE AND AT THE SAME TIME ITS SD TO LOE SUN FOR 6TH. SO GURU ANTRA WOULD BE EAGER TO GIVE U SUCCESS IN YOUR JOB (6TH HOUSE) AT THE SAME TIME ITS EAGER TO GIVE U AUTHORITY OR PROMOTION I.E. LOE FOR 10TH AS B I.E. AT THE SAME TIME, GURU IS SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH ALSO AGIAN ITS GOOD OR SAY GIVING TOUCH OF SOME LOD TO JU OR U CAN ALSO SAY THAT LOE AND LOD FOR 10TH AS B ARE CONJOINING AND ALSO GURU IS SD LOD FOR JOB AND AT THE SAME TIME ITS SD TO LOE FOR JOB TOO. SO IN ALL OF GURU ANTRAS IN ALL MD'S U WILL EXPERIENCE VERY GOOD STATUS, IF IN JOB PROMOTION, BUT U WILL GET GOOD AUTHORITY. NOW GURU IS ALSO IN LIBRA AND ITS SD TO VENUS. SO AGAIN IT WILL GET A TOUCH OF VENUS MEANS VENUS IS 1ST LORD AND 8TH LORDS SO AGAIN VENUS IS LOE FOR INCOME TOO AND ALSO LOD FOR 4TH HOUSE SO AGAIN THIS GURU WILL GET THIS HINT TOO. ALSO VENUS IS GOOD FOR TAKING INITIATIVES SO IT WILL ADD THAT FLAVOUR TO GURU TOO. WITH PRACTICE ALL THIS WILL COME... BUT APPROACH SLOWLY.. AND WITH THIS I THINK U WILL GET AN IDEA AND U CAN STUDY THE SAME IN YOUR CHART. Mars/Guru 1941-Nov-04 1942-Oct-11 Rahu/Guru 1950-Jan-31 1952-Jun-26 Guru/Guru 1965-May-21 1967-Jul-09 Shani/Guru 1997-Nov-07 2000-May-20 You can study the same and comment. I am be quite sure that u must have enjoyed good happiness during these times but again with a hint of worries too (being SD to 2nd lord). > > In Summary, it is mentioned that the sub period planet entered in the cell would be shown in Green colour and would give the results of the houses mentioned against them. So have we to take the houses in Summary table only for Sub period planets results and /or have we to consider the other houses mentioned in the WS also for that sub period planet? Please clarify. ASH: EXPLAINED THE APPROACH ABOVE. > > > For the MD of Mercury and its ADs, I will try my analysis later on, after learning from you more about MD,AD, SDs and their application. > > Sorry to give you more trouble. But keen to learn and understand better, so I cannot help but to trouble you. > > Please take your time and reply. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V. r. Rayudu > > > Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju and Ramesh, > > Here is my attempt. Please see my answers in CAPS below. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thank you very much for this mail and the earlier one. You have taken lot of time and trouble to explain. You said that you would give more about MD and AD in your next mail. Thank you. > > I will be very grateful if you can explain with respect to my horoscope, so that I can understand much better. I know that it is too much to ask intruding into your precious time. Please do not misunderstand that it is a consultation and I know this is not a forum for consultation. Earlier you had already explained my Mercury MD and Venus, Sun, Moon ADs with respect to wife, son, but unfortunately it was deleted by mistake. I give below my details about profession. I do not know whether to take the house where MD is placed also in addition to the lordship houses. I do not know whether AD would give results of the houses for which the MD is not FK/NK etc. I do not venture to analyse my profession since I am still not confident. > > > ASH : PLEASE SEE BELOW. > > DoB 7 September 1938, ToB 08:56:16 hrs; PoB Vizianagaram, Andhra Pradesh State, India 18N07, 83E26 > > After Mechanical Engineering degree in 1959, I joined job as Junior Engineer in a private Sirpur Paper Mills, Sirpur Kaghaznagar, about 600 km from Hyderabad in Jan 1960. > > ASH: RAHU MD IS ON FROM 1947 THRU 1965. RAHU IS IN KARAK STHAN FOR 6TH HOUSE. RA IS SD TO VE AND JU. JU IS KARAK FOR 5TH. DURING THIS MD THE FLAVOUR WILL BE THAT OF 6TH AND THE HOUSE THAT JU AND VE ARE KARAKS FOR. > IT WAS DURING THIS MD, YOU GOT YOUR DEGREE AND THEN U GOT YOUR FIRST JOB IN VE ANTRA. VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 POINTS FOR 10TH HOUSE, 10 POINTS FOR 11TH HOUSE. > > > I resigned the job in Nov 1960 and joined Defence Research & Development Organisation, > > ASH: START OF JOB IN VENUS ANTRA WITH 12 POINTS AND LESS POWER FOR 11TH AND 10TH HOUSE. YOU ALSO RESIGNED AND JOINED ANOTHER JOB. HERE VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 FOR 10TH HOUSE AND 11 POINTS FOR 11TH AND -2 FOR 7TH. > > Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Delhi on 5 Dec 1960 as Junior Research fellow under training programme. In Delhi, I was there from Dec 1960 to April 1961 attending the orientation and training programme and visiting Defence forward areas in Kashmir etc. > > ASH : STILL TILL APRIL 1961 YOU WERE IN VENUS ANTRA. > > I was transferred to Armament R & D Establishment ( ARDE) Pune in April 1961 and then selected as Gazetted officer Scientist " B " on 12 June 1962 ( Rahu MD-Sun AD). > > ASH : THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE SUN ANTRA STARTED YOU CAN SEE THE POWER. FROM THE WS. IT HAS GOT 18 POINTS IN 6TH AND ITS LOE. THE POWER OF SUN IS ALSO 14 IN 10TH HOUSE BUT EXPENSES ARE EQUAL TO INCOME HERE. SUN IS ALSO SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH HOUSE. SO HERE YOU GOT GOOD STATUS AND SAY A PROMOTION TOO. SUN IS ALSO SD TO GURU WHO IS LOE FOR 10TH. SO HERE SUN GETS HELP TOO.. AGAIN THE MD IS RAHU SO YOUR MIND WILL BE AROUND JOB AND AUTHORITY. > > I worked in Gun Recoil Systems in ARDE. In June 1963 I was transferred to efence R & D Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad and again sent to training in Guided Missiles to Institute of Armament Studies, Pune in Oct 1963 for about one year. After return I was promoted as Scientist " C " in November 1965 (Jupiter MD- > Jupiter AD), as Scientist " D " > > ASH: NOW IN 1965/MAY THE MAHADASHA CHANGED AND SO THE KARAKTWA RELATED TO RAHU (VE AND JU AND 6TH) WILL DIMINISH AND KARAKTWA FOR GURU WILL START. HERE GURU IS IN 5TH HOUSE WITH 7 BINDUS SO HERE GURU WILL ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KARAK FOR 10TH HOUSE. GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 8TH HOUSE (RESEARCH, ASTROLOGY) AND 11TH HOUSE. GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 2ND AND 5TH HOUSE. SO ALL THE ANTRAS IN GURU WILL HAVE A TOUCH OF THAT MEANS FLAVOUR OF THAT. NOW AS SOON AS GURU AD STARTED AND GURU BEING LOE FOR 10TH, ITS KARAK FOR 10TH, SD TO LOE TO 6TH HOUSE SUN, LOE TO VENUS WHO IS LORD OF SELF AND LOD FOR 11TH AND KARAK FOR PERSONALITY AND ALSO LOE FOR INITIATIVES. SO U MUST HAVE GOT GOOD STATUS AND PROMOTION. > > in June 1972 (Jupiter MD Ketu AD) and as Scientist " E " > > ASH: GURU MD AND KETU ANTRA. KETU IS IN HOUSE D FOR 10TH AS B. AGAIN KETU IN HOUSE DO FOR 10TH AS B WILL BE EAGER TO GIVE U PROMOTION. THE MD IS GURU SO AGAIN GOOD STATUS. SO FOR TIMING OF EVENT I AM NOT USING MD. HERE ITS SHOWING THE INFLUENCE GOING ON. > > in April 1982 (Saturn MD- Saturn AD)(. I took voluntary retirement on 1 September 1990 (Saturn MD- Venus AD) to pursue my hobbies of Astrology and Philosophy. > > ASH: SHANI IS LORD OF 4TH AND 5TH SO ITS KARAK FOR 9TH AND 10TH MATTERS. SHANI IS NK FOR 4TH AND 3RD TOO. HERE YOUR MIND IS PARTLY AROUND AUTHORITY BUT ALSO NOW ITS CHANGED TOWARDS 9TH MATTERS SO SPIRITUAL PERSUITS AND U CAME IN CONTACT WITH GURUS'S AND TEACHERS, SPIRITUAL PERSUITS. AGAIN SHANI IS KARAK FOR 4TH HOUSE SO THINGS RELATED TO REAL HAPPINESS AND THAT ALSO COMES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND ALSO THAT OF HARD WORK AND INITIATIVES. SHANI IS ALSO IN 6TH HOUSE WITH 5 BINDUS SO HERE IT WILL ALSO ACT OR GIVE KARKATWA FOR 11TH HOUSE AND FULLFILLMENT OF DESIRES AND ALSO THAT OF INCOME AND FINANCES. > > Since then I wrote two books on Astrology of my research, along with my wife traveled many countries on invitation to attend astrology conferences and pleasure trips and visited many Ashram & Gurus. Presently also just I am continuing my hobby of astrology but with less vigor and more towards meditation. Presently I am running Mercury MD and Venus AD till August 2006.I do not know how to analyze my profession as per KAS further. > > > ASH: I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE. IN SA MD, SA WILL HAVE KARAKTWA FOR 3RD, 4TH, 10TH, 9TH AND 11TH HOUSE. > > Please take your time and reply. > > Once again I appreciate your efforts to explain the points. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > are we using Karak ? > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > event. > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > So that answers the timing of event. > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > operations. > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > Reason. > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > promotion and became a supervisor. > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > event. > > This is very important concept. > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , ramesh mishra > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > strong or weak. > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > dominates over NK. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > on KAS. > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > if that caused confusion. > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > that. > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > karaktwa? > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > are we using Karak ? > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > event. > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > So that answers the timing of event. > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > operations. > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > Reason. > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > promotion and became a supervisor. > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > event. > > This is very important concept. > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , ramesh mishra > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > strong or weak. > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > dominates over NK. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > on KAS. > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > if that caused confusion. > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > that. > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > karaktwa? > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > > according to my own concept as much as I understood > > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > > that , > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > Event WILL happen > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > event WILL NOT happen. > > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > > lord and its houses. > > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > > also so pls do not confuse. > > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > > house. > > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > > also . > > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > > wrote: > > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > > AD is not in line with KAS. > > > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > > the archives that > > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > Event WILL happen > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > > you a question. > > > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > > Mahadasha. > > > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > > example. > > > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > > in deeper. > > > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > > benefit from the same. > > > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > > can proceed to next level. > > > > Awating you reply. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > > wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > > give your Rules for our easy following. > > > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > > any house, the results of that house may happen > > beneficially. > > > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > > results may be with come problems. > > > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > > the results of that those may still happen > > beneficially to some extent. > > > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > > results of that house may not happen. > > > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > > house or together, there may be problems in the > > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > > in those linked houses also. > > > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > > > Please reply at your convenience. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > > PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & > > French) > > International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology > > Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of > > India > > 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dear Ash, Thank you for your explanation. I think I am getting it. I have not fully understood the statements “ If MD is not favorable, AD is favorable, event will happen and if MD is favorable, AD not favorable, event will not happen”. Please clarify. I give below my understanding/ misunderstanding. May be again I am mixing up the role of MD and AD and trying to link MD and AD. If so please excuse and ignore the following. MD is concerned with certain houses as Karaka. I understand that MD is favorable means that MD is favorable for those houses for which it is Karaka and MD is not favorable means that MD is not favorable for other houses for which it is not Karaka. MD favorable / not favorable for any house is not as per the points >12 or <12 in WS for that house( I remember Dadhi said in some mail that WS points are not to be taken for MD). AD is for timing of events. AD favorable/ not favorable for any house is as per the points >12 or <12 in WS for that house. The points in WS for different houses for AD would give favorable/ not favorable results. For example, in my chart, the present Mercury MD is in natal chart FK for 2nd, 5th for Mercury lordship of 9th & 12th and FK for 4th for placement of Mercury in 11th house. In Kalapurusha, Mercury is NK for 8th & 11th for Mercury lordship of 3rd and 6th and I do not know whether to take NK for 10th for placement in 5th. So Mercury represents 2nd, 5th, and 4th And 8th & 11th, the former three houses a bit more than the latter two houses since the former are FKs. The flavor/ mindset/ thoughts (can I say the thrust of life) in Mercury MD would be towards these houses and Mercury would be favorable for these houses. Now the AD is Venus in MD Mercury. In WS, Venus has got less points <12 for 2nd, 5th, 7th, 11th and 12th and more points >12 for 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th. Venus AD will give timing of events for those houses >12 points favorably or for those houses <12 unfavorably. I understand that though the Mercury MD mind set is favorable for 2nd, 5th, 4th, 8th, 11th, the Venus AD will not give favorable timing for results for 2nd, 5th. 11th due to less points and will give favorable timing for results for 4th & 8th due to more points. For the other houses though MD is not favorable and mind set is not concerned, since AD is favourable with more points, the timing for results would be favorable and if AD is not favorable with less points the timing for results would be unfavorable. The mind set is not there for 7th due to MD, AD also got less points for 7th, and so the results for 7th would not be favorable, say the relationship with wife would not be favorable. Similarly though there is mind set for 5th for MD, the AD got less points for 5th and so, say, there may not be good connections with son. Since AD got more points for 10th, there may be authority on 2nd, 5th say family, son. Etc Etc I may be again totally wrong in this interpretation. Please take your own time and reply. Please do not usurp your precious time for your regular job and family for answering this mail. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, You are still trying to somehow link MD to AD. Please stop doing that and everything will get clear. Forget MD, just think of it as it shows the reason. In Rahu MD will be linked with Job, authory or better to say 6th house, 10th, 1st and 6th, 2nd and 12th, 5th and 2nd. So All the antras inside the MD of Rahu will have such flavour. In Guru MD, this changes. The element of 6th, 2nd and 12th is gone and instead the antras now will have flavour of 2nd, 5th, 8th, 11th and 10th. In Shani MD this again change means karaktwa of Guru will end and karaktwa denoted by Shani will start. So your focus on life will be more towards 4th, 3rd, 11th, 10th and 9th matters. Now Md has changed to Mercury. So Shanis karktwa will end and that of mercury will start. Here 8th (and hence so many quesiton on death), 11th, 5th and 2nd will be the key focus. So now your mind will be mostly on matters around such things. Now antra and its power remain same. Another analogy i can give is that Guru say is powerful for 10th house means its eager to give u authority. Now that will be in all the MD's and it does not matter. But influence of life or mindset might be different. Say in MD of Mercury MD and Ju Antra might give u authority as a writer or say u may become the head pujari of your local temple. In MD of 5th lord and in Guru antra u might become a CEO of a company or maybe promoted to say the post of a manager. So in both cases the antra (timing of event) is showing authorty but in what sphere or influence and the level of rise that might be denoted by MD. Also say sometimes you might have noticed that in one MD the person might have millions of Dollars and might be spending lavisly but the same person might not have that much in another MD but in the same antra to spend. Again that is showed by Status. Just dont try to link MD to AD. Think think that MD gives an aroma but timing is from AD. Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash ( /Ramesh), > > Thank you very for your quick reply. I did my analysis last night before receiving your reply to compare with yours. I am happy that I got almost same analysis. But I got some doubts as below. Please clarify at your leisure. > > I got my first job in Rahu MD and Venus AD. Rahu is in Libra Venus sign & Jupiter star. Venus has 6 points and Jupiter has 2 points in Libra. So Rahu is more SD to Venus.Venus is FK to 6th house representing Job. So Rahu is perfectly OK as MD for job. Venus is AD. But Venus as AD is connected to 6 th as FK/ LoA only though got 12 points in 6th. > Here for 6th, Venus (representing Rahu)is FK as MD and FK as AD. > Can we take FK for a house for AD also similar to MD, even when AD does not represent the house in any other way as LoD/ LoE / in D/ in E? Similarly in Saturn MD and Saturn AD, I got promotion when Saturn as MD is FK to 10th house. But Saturn as AD is again FK only to 10th and not connected to 10th as LoD/ LoE/ in D/in E, having 13 points in 10th. I got promotion in Jupiter MD and Jupiter AD, but in this case Jupiter as MD is FK to 10th being placed in 5th and Jupiter as AD is LoE to 10th in addition to FK to 10th, with 28 points in 10th. > > > Though I took voluntary retirement, it amounts to that I lost my job in Saturn MD and Venus AD and did not join another official job. Earlier in Rahu MD and Venus AD, I got a job, resigned and again joined another job. I do not know how this Venus in Saturn MD has not given another official job, though I took my hobbies as job only. Venus as AD gave job in Rahu MD and the same Venus as AD in Saturn MD removed the job. > Is it because Venus has got more points for 9th ( 12th to 10th) than 10th? I do not understand. Please explain. > > In your analysis, you said that Jupiter is SD to Sun. I do not understand it. In Summary it is given that the Planets in the sign of LD or LE > or = 5 points is SD to LoD or LoE. Here for 6th, Sun is in D Leo and Jupiter is LoE. So Jupiter & Sun are SDs, in 1:7 and Jupiter has more points in 5th than Sun in 11th and so Sun gets help from Jupiter. Understanding the role of SDs is still giving problem to me.. Am I correct? Please explain. > > In Summary, it is mentioned that the sub period planet entered in the cell would be shown in Green colour and would give the results of the houses mentioned against them. So have we to take the houses in Summary table only for Sub period planets results and /or have we to consider the other houses mentioned in the WS also for that sub period planet? Please clarify. > > > For the MD of Mercury and its ADs, I will try my analysis later on, after learning from you more about MD,AD, SDs and their application. > > Sorry to give you more trouble. But keen to learn and understand better, so I cannot help but to trouble you. > > Please take your time and reply. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V. r. Rayudu > > > Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju and Ramesh, > > Here is my attempt. Please see my answers in CAPS below. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thank you very much for this mail and the earlier one. You have taken lot of time and trouble to explain. You said that you would give more about MD and AD in your next mail. Thank you. > > I will be very grateful if you can explain with respect to my horoscope, so that I can understand much better. I know that it is too much to ask intruding into your precious time. Please do not misunderstand that it is a consultation and I know this is not a forum for consultation. Earlier you had already explained my Mercury MD and Venus, Sun, Moon ADs with respect to wife, son, but unfortunately it was deleted by mistake. I give below my details about profession. I do not know whether to take the house where MD is placed also in addition to the lordship houses. I do not know whether AD would give results of the houses for which the MD is not FK/NK etc. I do not venture to analyse my profession since I am still not confident. > > > ASH : PLEASE SEE BELOW. > > DoB 7 September 1938, ToB 08:56:16 hrs; PoB Vizianagaram, Andhra Pradesh State, India 18N07, 83E26 > > After Mechanical Engineering degree in 1959, I joined job as Junior Engineer in a private Sirpur Paper Mills, Sirpur Kaghaznagar, about 600 km from Hyderabad in Jan 1960. > > ASH: RAHU MD IS ON FROM 1947 THRU 1965. RAHU IS IN KARAK STHAN FOR 6TH HOUSE. RA IS SD TO VE AND JU. JU IS KARAK FOR 5TH. DURING THIS MD THE FLAVOUR WILL BE THAT OF 6TH AND THE HOUSE THAT JU AND VE ARE KARAKS FOR. > IT WAS DURING THIS MD, YOU GOT YOUR DEGREE AND THEN U GOT YOUR FIRST JOB IN VE ANTRA. VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 POINTS FOR 10TH HOUSE, 10 POINTS FOR 11TH HOUSE. > > > I resigned the job in Nov 1960 and joined Defence Research & Development Organisation, > > ASH: START OF JOB IN VENUS ANTRA WITH 12 POINTS AND LESS POWER FOR 11TH AND 10TH HOUSE. YOU ALSO RESIGNED AND JOINED ANOTHER JOB. HERE VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 FOR 10TH HOUSE AND 11 POINTS FOR 11TH AND -2 FOR 7TH. > > Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Delhi on 5 Dec 1960 as Junior Research fellow under training programme. In Delhi, I was there from Dec 1960 to April 1961 attending the orientation and training programme and visiting Defence forward areas in Kashmir etc. > > ASH : STILL TILL APRIL 1961 YOU WERE IN VENUS ANTRA. > > I was transferred to Armament R & D Establishment ( ARDE) Pune in April 1961 and then selected as Gazetted officer Scientist " B " on 12 June 1962 ( Rahu MD-Sun AD). > > ASH : THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE SUN ANTRA STARTED YOU CAN SEE THE POWER. FROM THE WS. IT HAS GOT 18 POINTS IN 6TH AND ITS LOE. THE POWER OF SUN IS ALSO 14 IN 10TH HOUSE BUT EXPENSES ARE EQUAL TO INCOME HERE. SUN IS ALSO SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH HOUSE. SO HERE YOU GOT GOOD STATUS AND SAY A PROMOTION TOO. SUN IS ALSO SD TO GURU WHO IS LOE FOR 10TH. SO HERE SUN GETS HELP TOO.. AGAIN THE MD IS RAHU SO YOUR MIND WILL BE AROUND JOB AND AUTHORITY. > > I worked in Gun Recoil Systems in ARDE. In June 1963 I was transferred to efence R & D Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad and again sent to training in Guided Missiles to Institute of Armament Studies, Pune in Oct 1963 for about one year. After return I was promoted as Scientist " C " in November 1965 (Jupiter MD- > Jupiter AD), as Scientist " D " > > ASH: NOW IN 1965/MAY THE MAHADASHA CHANGED AND SO THE KARAKTWA RELATED TO RAHU (VE AND JU AND 6TH) WILL DIMINISH AND KARAKTWA FOR GURU WILL START. HERE GURU IS IN 5TH HOUSE WITH 7 BINDUS SO HERE GURU WILL ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KARAK FOR 10TH HOUSE. GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 8TH HOUSE (RESEARCH, ASTROLOGY) AND 11TH HOUSE. GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 2ND AND 5TH HOUSE. SO ALL THE ANTRAS IN GURU WILL HAVE A TOUCH OF THAT MEANS FLAVOUR OF THAT. NOW AS SOON AS GURU AD STARTED AND GURU BEING LOE FOR 10TH, ITS KARAK FOR 10TH, SD TO LOE TO 6TH HOUSE SUN, LOE TO VENUS WHO IS LORD OF SELF AND LOD FOR 11TH AND KARAK FOR PERSONALITY AND ALSO LOE FOR INITIATIVES. SO U MUST HAVE GOT GOOD STATUS AND PROMOTION. > > in June 1972 (Jupiter MD Ketu AD) and as Scientist " E " > > ASH: GURU MD AND KETU ANTRA. KETU IS IN HOUSE D FOR 10TH AS B. AGAIN KETU IN HOUSE DO FOR 10TH AS B WILL BE EAGER TO GIVE U PROMOTION. THE MD IS GURU SO AGAIN GOOD STATUS. SO FOR TIMING OF EVENT I AM NOT USING MD. HERE ITS SHOWING THE INFLUENCE GOING ON. > > in April 1982 (Saturn MD- Saturn AD)(. I took voluntary retirement on 1 September 1990 (Saturn MD- Venus AD) to pursue my hobbies of Astrology and Philosophy. > > ASH: SHANI IS LORD OF 4TH AND 5TH SO ITS KARAK FOR 9TH AND 10TH MATTERS. SHANI IS NK FOR 4TH AND 3RD TOO. HERE YOUR MIND IS PARTLY AROUND AUTHORITY BUT ALSO NOW ITS CHANGED TOWARDS 9TH MATTERS SO SPIRITUAL PERSUITS AND U CAME IN CONTACT WITH GURUS'S AND TEACHERS, SPIRITUAL PERSUITS. AGAIN SHANI IS KARAK FOR 4TH HOUSE SO THINGS RELATED TO REAL HAPPINESS AND THAT ALSO COMES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND ALSO THAT OF HARD WORK AND INITIATIVES. SHANI IS ALSO IN 6TH HOUSE WITH 5 BINDUS SO HERE IT WILL ALSO ACT OR GIVE KARKATWA FOR 11TH HOUSE AND FULLFILLMENT OF DESIRES AND ALSO THAT OF INCOME AND FINANCES. > > Since then I wrote two books on Astrology of my research, along with my wife traveled many countries on invitation to attend astrology conferences and pleasure trips and visited many Ashram & Gurus. Presently also just I am continuing my hobby of astrology but with less vigor and more towards meditation. Presently I am running Mercury MD and Venus AD till August 2006.I do not know how to analyze my profession as per KAS further. > > > ASH: I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE. IN SA MD, SA WILL HAVE KARAKTWA FOR 3RD, 4TH, 10TH, 9TH AND 11TH HOUSE. > > Please take your time and reply. > > Once again I appreciate your efforts to explain the points. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > are we using Karak ? > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > event. > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > So that answers the timing of event. > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > operations. > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > Reason. > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > promotion and became a supervisor. > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > event. > > This is very important concept. > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , ramesh mishra > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > strong or weak. > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > dominates over NK. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > on KAS. > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > if that caused confusion. > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > that. > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > karaktwa? > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > are we using Karak ? > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > event. > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > So that answers the timing of event. > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > operations. > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > Reason. > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > promotion and became a supervisor. > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > event. > > This is very important concept. > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , ramesh mishra > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > strong or weak. > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > dominates over NK. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > on KAS. > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > if that caused confusion. > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > that. > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > karaktwa? > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > > according to my own concept as much as I understood > > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > > that , > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > Event WILL happen > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > event WILL NOT happen. > > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > > lord and its houses. > > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > > also so pls do not confuse. > > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > > house. > > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > > also . > > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > > wrote: > > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > > AD is not in line with KAS. > > > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > > the archives that > > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > Event WILL happen > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > > you a question. > > > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > > Mahadasha. > > > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > > example. > > > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > > in deeper. > > > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > > benefit from the same. > > > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > > can proceed to next level. > > > > Awating you reply. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > > wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > > give your Rules for our easy following. > > > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > > any house, the results of that house may happen > > beneficially. > > > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > > results may be with come problems. > > > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > > the results of that those may still happen > > beneficially to some extent. > > > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > > results of that house may not happen. > > > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > > house or together, there may be problems in the > > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > > in those linked houses also. > > > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > > > Please reply at your convenience. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > > PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & > > French) > > International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology > > Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of > > India > > 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Thank you Ash for your detailed reply. My present MD is Mercury who is with Sun and Mars in Rasi and with Mars in Navamsha. During Mercury MD, in addition to taking karakartwas of Mercury, have I to take the karakatwas of Mars & Sun also? Please reply at your convenience. There is no hurry. Blessings Pemmaraju ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, I am seperating this mail from the KArak mail that i just sent and will address your question on SD. please read my answers below in CAPS. Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash ( /Ramesh), > ............. > > In your analysis, you said that Jupiter is SD to Sun. I do not understand it. In Summary it is given that the Planets in the sign of LD or LE > or = 5 points is SD to LoD or LoE. Here for 6th, Sun is in D Leo and Jupiter is LoE. So Jupiter & Sun are SDs, in 1:7 and Jupiter has more points in 5th than Sun in 11th and so Sun gets help from Jupiter. Understanding the role of SDs is still giving problem to me.. Am I correct? Please explain. ASH : FIRST THING FIRST IS TO READ NOT JUST THE PART OF MESSAGE BUT THE FULL MESSAGE. LET ME EXPLAIN. PLANEST WILL ACT AS PER THEIR OWN STRENGH AS WELL AS THEY WILL GIVE THE RESULT OF THEIR SD. SUPPOSE TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, SUN IS POWERFUL FOR 5TH HOUSE AND PLACED IN 11TH HOUSE SO FOR SAY 5TH HOUSE MATTER IT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE RESULT AS ITS HAVING ITS ASPECT. HERE ASSUME SUN IS NOT LOD OR LOE FOR 5TH. IN THAT CASE ITS SD WILL COME FORWARD. TAKE YOUR CASE, SUN, ME AND MA ARE ALL TOGETHER IN 11TH HOUSE. THEY ARE ALL SD TO 2ND LORD MARS. SO IN ALL THE ANTRAS YOU MIGHT EXPERIENCE SOME TOOTACHE OR SOME GUM PROBLEMS OR SAY EVEN WORRIES. THIS CONCEPT WILL GET CLEAR WITH MORE PRACTICE AND SOLVING MORE AND MORE CHARTS. NOW COMING BACK TO YOUR OBSERVATOION. GURU IS SD TO SUN. I HOPE ITS CLEAR HOW THAT IS. GURU CONJOINS SUN IN NAVAMSA THEREBY MAKING THEM SAMDHARMI. THIS IS GIVEN IN LESSON. GURU IS PLACED IN LIBRA NAVAMSA SO GURU HAS BECOME SD TO VENUS TOO. NOW GURU WILL GIVE ITS RESULT AS PER ITS POINTS AND ALSO THAT OF ITS SD. NOW SUN IS IN HOUSE E WITH MORE BINDUS FOR 6TH AS B FOR YOUR CHART. SO IN THAT CASE ITS ADDING THAT TOUCH TO GURU TOO. GURU ITSELF IS LOD FOR 6TH HOUSE AND AT THE SAME TIME ITS SD TO LOE SUN FOR 6TH. SO GURU ANTRA WOULD BE EAGER TO GIVE U SUCCESS IN YOUR JOB (6TH HOUSE) AT THE SAME TIME ITS EAGER TO GIVE U AUTHORITY OR PROMOTION I.E. LOE FOR 10TH AS B I.E. AT THE SAME TIME, GURU IS SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH ALSO AGIAN ITS GOOD OR SAY GIVING TOUCH OF SOME LOD TO JU OR U CAN ALSO SAY THAT LOE AND LOD FOR 10TH AS B ARE CONJOINING AND ALSO GURU IS SD LOD FOR JOB AND AT THE SAME TIME ITS SD TO LOE FOR JOB TOO. SO IN ALL OF GURU ANTRAS IN ALL MD'S U WILL EXPERIENCE VERY GOOD STATUS, IF IN JOB PROMOTION, BUT U WILL GET GOOD AUTHORITY. NOW GURU IS ALSO IN LIBRA AND ITS SD TO VENUS. SO AGAIN IT WILL GET A TOUCH OF VENUS MEANS VENUS IS 1ST LORD AND 8TH LORDS SO AGAIN VENUS IS LOE FOR INCOME TOO AND ALSO LOD FOR 4TH HOUSE SO AGAIN THIS GURU WILL GET THIS HINT TOO. ALSO VENUS IS GOOD FOR TAKING INITIATIVES SO IT WILL ADD THAT FLAVOUR TO GURU TOO. WITH PRACTICE ALL THIS WILL COME... BUT APPROACH SLOWLY.. AND WITH THIS I THINK U WILL GET AN IDEA AND U CAN STUDY THE SAME IN YOUR CHART. Mars/Guru 1941-Nov-04 1942-Oct-11 Rahu/Guru 1950-Jan-31 1952-Jun-26 Guru/Guru 1965-May-21 1967-Jul-09 Shani/Guru 1997-Nov-07 2000-May-20 You can study the same and comment. I am be quite sure that u must have enjoyed good happiness during these times but again with a hint of worries too (being SD to 2nd lord). > > In Summary, it is mentioned that the sub period planet entered in the cell would be shown in Green colour and would give the results of the houses mentioned against them. So have we to take the houses in Summary table only for Sub period planets results and /or have we to consider the other houses mentioned in the WS also for that sub period planet? Please clarify. ASH: EXPLAINED THE APPROACH ABOVE. > > > For the MD of Mercury and its ADs, I will try my analysis later on, after learning from you more about MD,AD, SDs and their application. > > Sorry to give you more trouble. But keen to learn and understand better, so I cannot help but to trouble you. > > Please take your time and reply. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V. r. Rayudu > > > Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju and Ramesh, > > Here is my attempt. Please see my answers in CAPS below. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thank you very much for this mail and the earlier one. You have taken lot of time and trouble to explain. You said that you would give more about MD and AD in your next mail. Thank you. > > I will be very grateful if you can explain with respect to my horoscope, so that I can understand much better. I know that it is too much to ask intruding into your precious time. Please do not misunderstand that it is a consultation and I know this is not a forum for consultation. Earlier you had already explained my Mercury MD and Venus, Sun, Moon ADs with respect to wife, son, but unfortunately it was deleted by mistake. I give below my details about profession. I do not know whether to take the house where MD is placed also in addition to the lordship houses. I do not know whether AD would give results of the houses for which the MD is not FK/NK etc. I do not venture to analyse my profession since I am still not confident. > > > ASH : PLEASE SEE BELOW. > > DoB 7 September 1938, ToB 08:56:16 hrs; PoB Vizianagaram, Andhra Pradesh State, India 18N07, 83E26 > > After Mechanical Engineering degree in 1959, I joined job as Junior Engineer in a private Sirpur Paper Mills, Sirpur Kaghaznagar, about 600 km from Hyderabad in Jan 1960. > > ASH: RAHU MD IS ON FROM 1947 THRU 1965. RAHU IS IN KARAK STHAN FOR 6TH HOUSE. RA IS SD TO VE AND JU. JU IS KARAK FOR 5TH. DURING THIS MD THE FLAVOUR WILL BE THAT OF 6TH AND THE HOUSE THAT JU AND VE ARE KARAKS FOR. > IT WAS DURING THIS MD, YOU GOT YOUR DEGREE AND THEN U GOT YOUR FIRST JOB IN VE ANTRA. VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 POINTS FOR 10TH HOUSE, 10 POINTS FOR 11TH HOUSE. > > > I resigned the job in Nov 1960 and joined Defence Research & Development Organisation, > > ASH: START OF JOB IN VENUS ANTRA WITH 12 POINTS AND LESS POWER FOR 11TH AND 10TH HOUSE. YOU ALSO RESIGNED AND JOINED ANOTHER JOB. HERE VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 FOR 10TH HOUSE AND 11 POINTS FOR 11TH AND -2 FOR 7TH. > > Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Delhi on 5 Dec 1960 as Junior Research fellow under training programme. In Delhi, I was there from Dec 1960 to April 1961 attending the orientation and training programme and visiting Defence forward areas in Kashmir etc. > > ASH : STILL TILL APRIL 1961 YOU WERE IN VENUS ANTRA. > > I was transferred to Armament R & D Establishment ( ARDE) Pune in April 1961 and then selected as Gazetted officer Scientist " B " on 12 June 1962 ( Rahu MD-Sun AD). > > ASH : THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE SUN ANTRA STARTED YOU CAN SEE THE POWER. FROM THE WS. IT HAS GOT 18 POINTS IN 6TH AND ITS LOE. THE POWER OF SUN IS ALSO 14 IN 10TH HOUSE BUT EXPENSES ARE EQUAL TO INCOME HERE. SUN IS ALSO SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH HOUSE. SO HERE YOU GOT GOOD STATUS AND SAY A PROMOTION TOO. SUN IS ALSO SD TO GURU WHO IS LOE FOR 10TH. SO HERE SUN GETS HELP TOO.. AGAIN THE MD IS RAHU SO YOUR MIND WILL BE AROUND JOB AND AUTHORITY. > > I worked in Gun Recoil Systems in ARDE. In June 1963 I was transferred to efence R & D Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad and again sent to training in Guided Missiles to Institute of Armament Studies, Pune in Oct 1963 for about one year. After return I was promoted as Scientist " C " in November 1965 (Jupiter MD- > Jupiter AD), as Scientist " D " > > ASH: NOW IN 1965/MAY THE MAHADASHA CHANGED AND SO THE KARAKTWA RELATED TO RAHU (VE AND JU AND 6TH) WILL DIMINISH AND KARAKTWA FOR GURU WILL START. HERE GURU IS IN 5TH HOUSE WITH 7 BINDUS SO HERE GURU WILL ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KARAK FOR 10TH HOUSE. GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 8TH HOUSE (RESEARCH, ASTROLOGY) AND 11TH HOUSE. GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 2ND AND 5TH HOUSE. SO ALL THE ANTRAS IN GURU WILL HAVE A TOUCH OF THAT MEANS FLAVOUR OF THAT. NOW AS SOON AS GURU AD STARTED AND GURU BEING LOE FOR 10TH, ITS KARAK FOR 10TH, SD TO LOE TO 6TH HOUSE SUN, LOE TO VENUS WHO IS LORD OF SELF AND LOD FOR 11TH AND KARAK FOR PERSONALITY AND ALSO LOE FOR INITIATIVES. SO U MUST HAVE GOT GOOD STATUS AND PROMOTION. > > in June 1972 (Jupiter MD Ketu AD) and as Scientist " E " > > ASH: GURU MD AND KETU ANTRA. KETU IS IN HOUSE D FOR 10TH AS B. AGAIN KETU IN HOUSE DO FOR 10TH AS B WILL BE EAGER TO GIVE U PROMOTION. THE MD IS GURU SO AGAIN GOOD STATUS. SO FOR TIMING OF EVENT I AM NOT USING MD. HERE ITS SHOWING THE INFLUENCE GOING ON. > > in April 1982 (Saturn MD- Saturn AD)(. I took voluntary retirement on 1 September 1990 (Saturn MD- Venus AD) to pursue my hobbies of Astrology and Philosophy. > > ASH: SHANI IS LORD OF 4TH AND 5TH SO ITS KARAK FOR 9TH AND 10TH MATTERS. SHANI IS NK FOR 4TH AND 3RD TOO. HERE YOUR MIND IS PARTLY AROUND AUTHORITY BUT ALSO NOW ITS CHANGED TOWARDS 9TH MATTERS SO SPIRITUAL PERSUITS AND U CAME IN CONTACT WITH GURUS'S AND TEACHERS, SPIRITUAL PERSUITS. AGAIN SHANI IS KARAK FOR 4TH HOUSE SO THINGS RELATED TO REAL HAPPINESS AND THAT ALSO COMES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND ALSO THAT OF HARD WORK AND INITIATIVES. SHANI IS ALSO IN 6TH HOUSE WITH 5 BINDUS SO HERE IT WILL ALSO ACT OR GIVE KARKATWA FOR 11TH HOUSE AND FULLFILLMENT OF DESIRES AND ALSO THAT OF INCOME AND FINANCES. > > Since then I wrote two books on Astrology of my research, along with my wife traveled many countries on invitation to attend astrology conferences and pleasure trips and visited many Ashram & Gurus. Presently also just I am continuing my hobby of astrology but with less vigor and more towards meditation. Presently I am running Mercury MD and Venus AD till August 2006.I do not know how to analyze my profession as per KAS further. > > > ASH: I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE. IN SA MD, SA WILL HAVE KARAKTWA FOR 3RD, 4TH, 10TH, 9TH AND 11TH HOUSE. > > Please take your time and reply. > > Once again I appreciate your efforts to explain the points. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > are we using Karak ? > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > event. > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > So that answers the timing of event. > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > operations. > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > Reason. > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > promotion and became a supervisor. > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > event. > > This is very important concept. > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , ramesh mishra > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > strong or weak. > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > dominates over NK. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > on KAS. > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > if that caused confusion. > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > that. > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > karaktwa? > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then 5th > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for 10th > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > are we using Karak ? > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > event. > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion then > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > So that answers the timing of event. > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > operations. > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > Reason. > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd holder > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > promotion and became a supervisor. > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going by > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > event. > > This is very important concept. > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , ramesh mishra > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > strong or weak. > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > dominates over NK. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > on KAS. > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > if that caused confusion. > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > that. > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > karaktwa? > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > > according to my own concept as much as I understood > > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > > that , > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > Event WILL happen > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > event WILL NOT happen. > > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > > lord and its houses. > > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > > also so pls do not confuse. > > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > > house. > > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > > also . > > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > > wrote: > > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > > AD is not in line with KAS. > > > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > > the archives that > > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > Event WILL happen > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > > you a question. > > > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > > Mahadasha. > > > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > > example. > > > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > > in deeper. > > > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > > benefit from the same. > > > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > > can proceed to next level. > > > > Awating you reply. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > > wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > > give your Rules for our easy following. > > > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > > any house, the results of that house may happen > > beneficially. > > > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > > results may be with come problems. > > > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > > the results of that those may still happen > > beneficially to some extent. > > > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > > results of that house may not happen. > > > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > > house or together, there may be problems in the > > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > > in those linked houses also. > > > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > > > Please reply at your convenience. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > > PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & > > French) > > International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology > > Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of > > India > > 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India, > > Phone: +91-040-24530210 > > Email: pvrrayudu@: pvrrayudu@; > > pvrrayudu@; rayadu@ > > Web: http://www.rayuduastrology.com > > > > Mail > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > attachments. > > > > > > > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, Mercury if with Mars and Sun will become Samdharmi. Sam=similar and dharmi=duty. Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Thank you Ash for your detailed reply. > My present MD is Mercury who is with Sun and Mars in Rasi and with Mars in Navamsha. During Mercury MD, in addition to taking karakartwas of Mercury, have I to take the karakatwas of Mars & Sun also? > Please reply at your convenience. There is no hurry. > Blessings > Pemmaraju > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Pemmaraju, > > I am seperating this mail from the KArak mail that i just sent and > will address your question on SD. > > please read my answers below in CAPS. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash ( /Ramesh), > > > ............ > > > > In your analysis, you said that Jupiter is SD to Sun. I do not > understand it. In Summary it is given that the Planets in the sign > of LD or LE > or = 5 points is SD to LoD or LoE. Here for 6th, Sun > is in D Leo and Jupiter is LoE. So Jupiter & Sun are SDs, in 1:7 and > Jupiter has more points in 5th than Sun in 11th and so Sun gets help > from Jupiter. Understanding the role of SDs is still giving problem > to me.. Am I correct? Please explain. > > > ASH : FIRST THING FIRST IS TO READ NOT JUST THE PART OF MESSAGE BUT > THE FULL MESSAGE. LET ME EXPLAIN. > > PLANEST WILL ACT AS PER THEIR OWN STRENGH AS WELL AS THEY WILL GIVE > THE RESULT OF THEIR SD. SUPPOSE TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, SUN IS POWERFUL > FOR 5TH HOUSE AND PLACED IN 11TH HOUSE SO FOR SAY 5TH HOUSE MATTER > IT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE RESULT AS ITS HAVING ITS ASPECT. HERE > ASSUME SUN IS NOT LOD OR LOE FOR 5TH. IN THAT CASE ITS SD WILL COME > FORWARD. > > TAKE YOUR CASE, SUN, ME AND MA ARE ALL TOGETHER IN 11TH HOUSE. THEY > ARE ALL SD TO 2ND LORD MARS. SO IN ALL THE ANTRAS YOU MIGHT > EXPERIENCE SOME TOOTACHE OR SOME GUM PROBLEMS OR SAY EVEN WORRIES. > > THIS CONCEPT WILL GET CLEAR WITH MORE PRACTICE AND SOLVING MORE AND > MORE CHARTS. > > NOW COMING BACK TO YOUR OBSERVATOION. GURU IS SD TO SUN. I HOPE > ITS CLEAR HOW THAT IS. GURU CONJOINS SUN IN NAVAMSA THEREBY MAKING > THEM SAMDHARMI. THIS IS GIVEN IN LESSON. GURU IS PLACED IN LIBRA > NAVAMSA SO GURU HAS BECOME SD TO VENUS TOO. > > NOW GURU WILL GIVE ITS RESULT AS PER ITS POINTS AND ALSO THAT OF ITS > SD. NOW SUN IS IN HOUSE E WITH MORE BINDUS FOR 6TH AS B FOR YOUR > CHART. SO IN THAT CASE ITS ADDING THAT TOUCH TO GURU TOO. GURU > ITSELF IS LOD FOR 6TH HOUSE AND AT THE SAME TIME ITS SD TO LOE SUN > FOR 6TH. SO GURU ANTRA WOULD BE EAGER TO GIVE U SUCCESS IN YOUR JOB > (6TH HOUSE) AT THE SAME TIME ITS EAGER TO GIVE U AUTHORITY OR > PROMOTION I.E. LOE FOR 10TH AS B I.E. AT THE SAME TIME, GURU IS SD > TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH ALSO AGIAN ITS GOOD OR SAY GIVING TOUCH > OF SOME LOD TO JU OR U CAN ALSO SAY THAT LOE AND LOD FOR 10TH AS B > ARE CONJOINING AND ALSO GURU IS SD LOD FOR JOB AND AT THE SAME TIME > ITS SD TO LOE FOR JOB TOO. SO IN ALL OF GURU ANTRAS IN ALL MD'S U > WILL EXPERIENCE VERY GOOD STATUS, IF IN JOB PROMOTION, BUT U WILL > GET GOOD AUTHORITY. NOW GURU IS ALSO IN LIBRA AND ITS SD TO VENUS. > SO AGAIN IT WILL GET A TOUCH OF VENUS MEANS VENUS IS 1ST LORD AND > 8TH LORDS SO AGAIN VENUS IS LOE FOR INCOME TOO AND ALSO LOD FOR 4TH > HOUSE SO AGAIN THIS GURU WILL GET THIS HINT TOO. ALSO VENUS IS GOOD > FOR TAKING INITIATIVES SO IT WILL ADD THAT FLAVOUR TO GURU TOO. > > WITH PRACTICE ALL THIS WILL COME... BUT APPROACH SLOWLY.. AND WITH > THIS I THINK U WILL GET AN IDEA AND U CAN STUDY THE SAME IN YOUR > CHART. > > Mars/Guru 1941-Nov-04 1942-Oct-11 > Rahu/Guru 1950-Jan-31 1952-Jun-26 > Guru/Guru 1965-May-21 1967-Jul-09 > Shani/Guru 1997-Nov-07 2000-May-20 > > You can study the same and comment. I am be quite sure that u must > have enjoyed good happiness during these times but again with a hint > of worries too (being SD to 2nd lord). > > > > > > In Summary, it is mentioned that the sub period planet entered > in the cell would be shown in Green colour and would give the > results of the houses mentioned against them. So have we to take the > houses in Summary table only for Sub period planets results and /or > have we to consider the other houses mentioned in the WS also for > that sub period planet? Please clarify. > > ASH: EXPLAINED THE APPROACH ABOVE. > > > > > > > > For the MD of Mercury and its ADs, I will try my analysis later > on, after learning from you more about MD,AD, SDs and their > application. > > > > Sorry to give you more trouble. But keen to learn and understand > better, so I cannot help but to trouble you. > > > > Please take your time and reply. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju V. r. Rayudu > > > > > > > > > > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju and Ramesh, > > > > Here is my attempt. Please see my answers in CAPS below. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you very much for this mail and the earlier one. You have > taken lot of time and trouble to explain. You said that you would > give more about MD and AD in your next mail. Thank you. > > > > I will be very grateful if you can explain with respect to my > horoscope, so that I can understand much better. I know that it is > too much to ask intruding into your precious time. Please do not > misunderstand that it is a consultation and I know this is not a > forum for consultation. Earlier you had already explained my Mercury > MD and Venus, Sun, Moon ADs with respect to wife, son, but > unfortunately it was deleted by mistake. I give below my details > about profession. I do not know whether to take the house where MD > is placed also in addition to the lordship houses. I do not know > whether AD would give results of the houses for which the MD is not > FK/NK etc. I do not venture to analyse my profession since I am > still not confident. > > > > > > ASH : PLEASE SEE BELOW. > > > > DoB 7 September 1938, ToB 08:56:16 hrs; PoB Vizianagaram, Andhra > Pradesh State, India 18N07, 83E26 > > > > After Mechanical Engineering degree in 1959, I joined job as > Junior Engineer in a private Sirpur Paper Mills, Sirpur Kaghaznagar, > about 600 km from Hyderabad in Jan 1960. > > > > ASH: RAHU MD IS ON FROM 1947 THRU 1965. RAHU IS IN KARAK STHAN > FOR 6TH HOUSE. RA IS SD TO VE AND JU. JU IS KARAK FOR 5TH. DURING > THIS MD THE FLAVOUR WILL BE THAT OF 6TH AND THE HOUSE THAT JU AND VE > ARE KARAKS FOR. > > IT WAS DURING THIS MD, YOU GOT YOUR DEGREE AND THEN U GOT YOUR > FIRST JOB IN VE ANTRA. VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 POINTS > FOR 10TH HOUSE, 10 POINTS FOR 11TH HOUSE. > > > > > > I resigned the job in Nov 1960 and joined Defence Research & > Development Organisation, > > > > ASH: START OF JOB IN VENUS ANTRA WITH 12 POINTS AND LESS POWER > FOR 11TH AND 10TH HOUSE. YOU ALSO RESIGNED AND JOINED ANOTHER JOB. > HERE VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 FOR 10TH HOUSE AND 11 > POINTS FOR 11TH AND -2 FOR 7TH. > > > > Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Delhi on 5 Dec 1960 as > Junior Research fellow under training programme. In Delhi, I was > there from Dec 1960 to April 1961 attending the orientation and > training programme and visiting Defence forward areas in Kashmir > etc. > > > > ASH : STILL TILL APRIL 1961 YOU WERE IN VENUS ANTRA. > > > > I was transferred to Armament R & D Establishment ( ARDE) Pune in > April 1961 and then selected as Gazetted officer Scientist " B " on 12 > June 1962 ( Rahu MD-Sun AD). > > > > ASH : THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE SUN ANTRA STARTED YOU CAN SEE THE > POWER. FROM THE WS. IT HAS GOT 18 POINTS IN 6TH AND ITS LOE. THE > POWER OF SUN IS ALSO 14 IN 10TH HOUSE BUT EXPENSES ARE EQUAL TO > INCOME HERE. SUN IS ALSO SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH HOUSE. SO > HERE YOU GOT GOOD STATUS AND SAY A PROMOTION TOO. SUN IS ALSO SD TO > GURU WHO IS LOE FOR 10TH. SO HERE SUN GETS HELP TOO.. AGAIN THE MD > IS RAHU SO YOUR MIND WILL BE AROUND JOB AND AUTHORITY. > > > > I worked in Gun Recoil Systems in ARDE. In June 1963 I was > transferred to efence R & D Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad and again > sent to training in Guided Missiles to Institute of Armament > Studies, Pune in Oct 1963 for about one year. After return I was > promoted as Scientist " C " in November 1965 (Jupiter MD- > > Jupiter AD), as Scientist " D " > > > > ASH: NOW IN 1965/MAY THE MAHADASHA CHANGED AND SO THE KARAKTWA > RELATED TO RAHU (VE AND JU AND 6TH) WILL DIMINISH AND KARAKTWA FOR > GURU WILL START. HERE GURU IS IN 5TH HOUSE WITH 7 BINDUS SO HERE > GURU WILL ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KARAK FOR 10TH HOUSE. GURU > IS ALSO KARAK FOR 8TH HOUSE (RESEARCH, ASTROLOGY) AND 11TH HOUSE. > GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 2ND AND 5TH HOUSE. SO ALL THE ANTRAS IN GURU > WILL HAVE A TOUCH OF THAT MEANS FLAVOUR OF THAT. NOW AS SOON AS > GURU AD STARTED AND GURU BEING LOE FOR 10TH, ITS KARAK FOR 10TH, SD > TO LOE TO 6TH HOUSE SUN, LOE TO VENUS WHO IS LORD OF SELF AND LOD > FOR 11TH AND KARAK FOR PERSONALITY AND ALSO LOE FOR INITIATIVES. SO > U MUST HAVE GOT GOOD STATUS AND PROMOTION. > > > > in June 1972 (Jupiter MD Ketu AD) and as Scientist " E " > > > > ASH: GURU MD AND KETU ANTRA. KETU IS IN HOUSE D FOR 10TH AS B. > AGAIN KETU IN HOUSE DO FOR 10TH AS B WILL BE EAGER TO GIVE U > PROMOTION. THE MD IS GURU SO AGAIN GOOD STATUS. SO FOR TIMING OF > EVENT I AM NOT USING MD. HERE ITS SHOWING THE INFLUENCE GOING ON. > > > > in April 1982 (Saturn MD- Saturn AD)(. I took voluntary > retirement on 1 September 1990 (Saturn MD- Venus AD) to pursue my > hobbies of Astrology and Philosophy. > > > > ASH: SHANI IS LORD OF 4TH AND 5TH SO ITS KARAK FOR 9TH AND 10TH > MATTERS. SHANI IS NK FOR 4TH AND 3RD TOO. HERE YOUR MIND IS PARTLY > AROUND AUTHORITY BUT ALSO NOW ITS CHANGED TOWARDS 9TH MATTERS SO > SPIRITUAL PERSUITS AND U CAME IN CONTACT WITH GURUS'S AND TEACHERS, > SPIRITUAL PERSUITS. AGAIN SHANI IS KARAK FOR 4TH HOUSE SO THINGS > RELATED TO REAL HAPPINESS AND THAT ALSO COMES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND > ALSO THAT OF HARD WORK AND INITIATIVES. SHANI IS ALSO IN 6TH HOUSE > WITH 5 BINDUS SO HERE IT WILL ALSO ACT OR GIVE KARKATWA FOR 11TH > HOUSE AND FULLFILLMENT OF DESIRES AND ALSO THAT OF INCOME AND > FINANCES. > > > > Since then I wrote two books on Astrology of my research, along > with my wife traveled many countries on invitation to attend > astrology conferences and pleasure trips and visited many Ashram & > Gurus. Presently also just I am continuing my hobby of astrology but > with less vigor and more towards meditation. Presently I am running > Mercury MD and Venus AD till August 2006.I do not know how to > analyze my profession as per KAS further. > > > > > > ASH: I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE. IN SA MD, SA WILL HAVE KARAKTWA > FOR 3RD, 4TH, 10TH, 9TH AND 11TH HOUSE. > > > > Please take your time and reply. > > > > Once again I appreciate your efforts to explain the points. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then > 5th > > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for > 10th > > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > > are we using Karak ? > > > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > > event. > > > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion > then > > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > > > So that answers the timing of event. > > > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > > operations. > > > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > > Reason. > > > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd > holder > > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > > promotion and became a supervisor. > > > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going > by > > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > > event. > > > > This is very important concept. > > > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > > strong or weak. > > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > > dominates over NK. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > > on KAS. > > > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > > if that caused confusion. > > > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > > that. > > > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > > karaktwa? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then > 5th > > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for > 10th > > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > > are we using Karak ? > > > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > > event. > > > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion > then > > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > > > So that answers the timing of event. > > > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > > operations. > > > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > > Reason. > > > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd > holder > > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > > promotion and became a supervisor. > > > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going > by > > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > > event. > > > > This is very important concept. > > > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > > strong or weak. > > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > > dominates over NK. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > > on KAS. > > > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > > if that caused confusion. > > > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > > that. > > > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > > karaktwa? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > > > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > > > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > > > according to my own concept as much as I understood > > > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > > > that , > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > > Event WILL happen > > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > > > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > > > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > > > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > > > lord and its houses. > > > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > > > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > > > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > > > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > > > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > > > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > > > also so pls do not confuse. > > > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > > > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > > > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > > > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > > > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > > > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > > > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > > > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > > > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > > > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > > > house. > > > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > > > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > > > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > > > also . > > > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > > > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > > > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > > > wrote: > > > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > > > > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > > > AD is not in line with KAS. > > > > > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > > > the archives that > > > > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > > Event WILL happen > > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > > > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > > > you a question. > > > > > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > > > Mahadasha. > > > > > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > > > example. > > > > > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > > > in deeper. > > > > > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > > > benefit from the same. > > > > > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > > > > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > > > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > > > > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > > > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > > > can proceed to next level. > > > > > > Awating you reply. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > > > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > > > > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > > > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > > > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > > > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > > > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > > > give your Rules for our easy following. > > > > > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > > > any house, the results of that house may happen > > > beneficially. > > > > > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > > > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > > > results may be with come problems. > > > > > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > > > the results of that those may still happen > > > beneficially to some extent. > > > > > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > > > results of that house may not happen. > > > > > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > > > house or together, there may be problems in the > > > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > > > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > > > > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > > > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > > > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > > > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > > > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > > > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > > > > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > > > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > > > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > > > > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > > > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > > > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > > > > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > > > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > > > in those linked houses also. > > > > > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > > > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > > > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > > > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > > > > > Please reply at your convenience. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > > > PEMMARAJU V.R. 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, Just think of it this way. Timing from antra and from Mahadasha you can get karaktwa. Say if delay is over and say 4th house lords antra is running means LoD then marriage will take place, now at that time if MD running of 5th lord then it maybe the case where the person met his wife at work. i.e. 5th lord is karak for 10th. But for timing of event leave aside MD. Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thank you for your explanation. I think I am getting it. > > I have not fully understood the statements " If MD is not favorable, AD is favorable, event will happen and if MD is favorable, AD not favorable, event will not happen " . Please clarify. > > I give below my understanding/ misunderstanding. May be again I am mixing up the role of MD and AD and trying to link MD and AD. If so please excuse and ignore the following. > > MD is concerned with certain houses as Karaka. I understand that MD is favorable means that MD is favorable for those houses for which it is Karaka and MD is not favorable means that MD is not favorable for other houses for which it is not Karaka. MD favorable / not favorable for any house is not as per the points >12 or <12 in WS for that house( I remember Dadhi said in some mail that WS points are not to be taken for MD). > > AD is for timing of events. AD favorable/ not favorable for any house is as per the points >12 or <12 in WS for that house. The points in WS for different houses for AD would give favorable/ not favorable results. > > For example, in my chart, the present Mercury MD is in natal chart FK for 2nd, 5th for Mercury lordship of 9th & 12th and FK for 4th for placement of Mercury in 11th house. In Kalapurusha, Mercury is NK for 8th & 11th for Mercury lordship of 3rd and 6th and I do not know whether to > take NK for 10th for placement in 5th. So Mercury represents 2nd, 5th, and 4th > And 8th & 11th, the former three houses a bit more than the latter two houses since the former are FKs. The flavor/ mindset/ thoughts (can I say the thrust of life) in Mercury MD would be towards these houses and Mercury would be favorable for these houses. > > Now the AD is Venus in MD Mercury. In WS, Venus has got less points <12 for 2nd, 5th, 7th, 11th and 12th and more points >12 for 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th. Venus AD will give timing of events for those houses >12 points favorably or for those houses <12 unfavorably. > > I understand that though the Mercury MD mind set is favorable for 2nd, 5th, 4th, 8th, 11th, the Venus AD will not give favorable timing for results for 2nd, 5th. 11th due to less points and will give favorable timing for results for 4th & 8th due to more points. For the other houses though MD is not favorable and mind set is not concerned, since AD is favourable with more points, the timing for results would be favorable and if AD is not favorable with less points the timing for results would be unfavorable. The mind set is not there for 7th due to MD, AD also got less points for 7th, and so the results for 7th would not be favorable, say the relationship with wife would not be favorable. Similarly though there is mind set for 5th for MD, the AD got less points for 5th and so, say, there may not be good connections with son. > Since AD got more points for 10th, there may be authority on 2nd, 5th say family, son. Etc Etc > > I may be again totally wrong in this interpretation. > > Please take your own time and reply. Please do not usurp your precious time for your regular job and family for answering this mail. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > You are still trying to somehow link MD to AD. Please stop doing > that and everything will get clear. > > Forget MD, just think of it as it shows the reason. > > In Rahu MD will be linked with Job, authory or better to say 6th > house, 10th, 1st and 6th, 2nd and 12th, 5th and 2nd. So All the > antras inside the MD of Rahu will have such flavour. > > In Guru MD, this changes. The element of 6th, 2nd and 12th is gone > and instead the antras now will have flavour of 2nd, 5th, 8th, 11th > and 10th. > > In Shani MD this again change means karaktwa of Guru will end and > karaktwa denoted by Shani will start. So your focus on life will be > more towards 4th, 3rd, 11th, 10th and 9th matters. > > > Now Md has changed to Mercury. So Shanis karktwa will end and that > of mercury will start. Here 8th (and hence so many quesiton on > death), 11th, 5th and 2nd will be the key focus. So now your mind > will be mostly on matters around such things. > > Now antra and its power remain same. > > Another analogy i can give is that Guru say is powerful for 10th > house means its eager to give u authority. Now that will be in all > the MD's and it does not matter. But influence of life or mindset > might be different. > > Say in MD of Mercury MD and Ju Antra might give u authority as a > writer or say u may become the head pujari of your local temple. > > In MD of 5th lord and in Guru antra u might become a CEO of a > company or maybe promoted to say the post of a manager. > > So in both cases the antra (timing of event) is showing authorty but > in what sphere or influence and the level of rise that might be > denoted by MD. > > Also say sometimes you might have noticed that in one MD the person > might have millions of Dollars and might be spending lavisly but the > same person might not have that much in another MD but in the same > antra to spend. Again that is showed by Status. > > Just dont try to link MD to AD. Think think that MD gives an aroma > but timing is from AD. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash ( /Ramesh), > > > > Thank you very for your quick reply. I did my analysis last > night before receiving your reply to compare with yours. I am happy > that I got almost same analysis. But I got some doubts as below. > Please clarify at your leisure. > > > > I got my first job in Rahu MD and Venus AD. Rahu is in Libra > Venus sign & Jupiter star. Venus has 6 points and Jupiter has 2 > points in Libra. So Rahu is more SD to Venus.Venus is FK to 6th > house representing Job. So Rahu is perfectly OK as MD for job. Venus > is AD. But Venus as AD is connected to 6 th as FK/ LoA only though > got 12 points in 6th. > > Here for 6th, Venus (representing Rahu)is FK as MD and FK as AD. > > Can we take FK for a house for AD also similar to MD, even when > AD does not represent the house in any other way as LoD/ LoE / in D/ > in E? Similarly in Saturn MD and Saturn AD, I got promotion when > Saturn as MD is FK to 10th house. But Saturn as AD is again FK only > to 10th and not connected to 10th as LoD/ LoE/ in D/in E, having 13 > points in 10th. I got promotion in Jupiter MD and Jupiter AD, but in > this case Jupiter as MD is FK to 10th being placed in 5th and > Jupiter as AD is LoE to 10th in addition to FK to 10th, with 28 > points in 10th. > > > > > > Though I took voluntary retirement, it amounts to that I lost my > job in Saturn MD and Venus AD and did not join another official job. > Earlier in Rahu MD and Venus AD, I got a job, resigned and again > joined another job. I do not know how this Venus in Saturn MD has > not given another official job, though I took my hobbies as job > only. Venus as AD gave job in Rahu MD and the same Venus as AD in > Saturn MD removed the job. > > Is it because Venus has got more points for 9th ( 12th to 10th) > than 10th? I do not understand. Please explain. > > > > In your analysis, you said that Jupiter is SD to Sun. I do not > understand it. In Summary it is given that the Planets in the sign > of LD or LE > or = 5 points is SD to LoD or LoE. Here for 6th, Sun > is in D Leo and Jupiter is LoE. So Jupiter & Sun are SDs, in 1:7 and > Jupiter has more points in 5th than Sun in 11th and so Sun gets help > from Jupiter. Understanding the role of SDs is still giving problem > to me.. Am I correct? Please explain. > > > > In Summary, it is mentioned that the sub period planet entered > in the cell would be shown in Green colour and would give the > results of the houses mentioned against them. So have we to take the > houses in Summary table only for Sub period planets results and /or > have we to consider the other houses mentioned in the WS also for > that sub period planet? Please clarify. > > > > > > For the MD of Mercury and its ADs, I will try my analysis later > on, after learning from you more about MD,AD, SDs and their > application. > > > > Sorry to give you more trouble. But keen to learn and understand > better, so I cannot help but to trouble you. > > > > Please take your time and reply. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju V. r. Rayudu > > > > > > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju and Ramesh, > > > > Here is my attempt. Please see my answers in CAPS below. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you very much for this mail and the earlier one. You have > taken lot of time and trouble to explain. You said that you would > give more about MD and AD in your next mail. Thank you. > > > > I will be very grateful if you can explain with respect to my > horoscope, so that I can understand much better. I know that it is > too much to ask intruding into your precious time. Please do not > misunderstand that it is a consultation and I know this is not a > forum for consultation. Earlier you had already explained my Mercury > MD and Venus, Sun, Moon ADs with respect to wife, son, but > unfortunately it was deleted by mistake. I give below my details > about profession. I do not know whether to take the house where MD > is placed also in addition to the lordship houses. I do not know > whether AD would give results of the houses for which the MD is not > FK/NK etc. I do not venture to analyse my profession since I am > still not confident. > > > > > > ASH : PLEASE SEE BELOW. > > > > DoB 7 September 1938, ToB 08:56:16 hrs; PoB Vizianagaram, Andhra > Pradesh State, India 18N07, 83E26 > > > > After Mechanical Engineering degree in 1959, I joined job as > Junior Engineer in a private Sirpur Paper Mills, Sirpur Kaghaznagar, > about 600 km from Hyderabad in Jan 1960. > > > > ASH: RAHU MD IS ON FROM 1947 THRU 1965. RAHU IS IN KARAK STHAN > FOR 6TH HOUSE. RA IS SD TO VE AND JU. JU IS KARAK FOR 5TH. DURING > THIS MD THE FLAVOUR WILL BE THAT OF 6TH AND THE HOUSE THAT JU AND VE > ARE KARAKS FOR. > > IT WAS DURING THIS MD, YOU GOT YOUR DEGREE AND THEN U GOT YOUR > FIRST JOB IN VE ANTRA. VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 POINTS > FOR 10TH HOUSE, 10 POINTS FOR 11TH HOUSE. > > > > > > I resigned the job in Nov 1960 and joined Defence Research & > Development Organisation, > > > > ASH: START OF JOB IN VENUS ANTRA WITH 12 POINTS AND LESS POWER > FOR 11TH AND 10TH HOUSE. YOU ALSO RESIGNED AND JOINED ANOTHER JOB. > HERE VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 FOR 10TH HOUSE AND 11 > POINTS FOR 11TH AND -2 FOR 7TH. > > > > Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Delhi on 5 Dec 1960 as > Junior Research fellow under training programme. In Delhi, I was > there from Dec 1960 to April 1961 attending the orientation and > training programme and visiting Defence forward areas in Kashmir > etc. > > > > ASH : STILL TILL APRIL 1961 YOU WERE IN VENUS ANTRA. > > > > I was transferred to Armament R & D Establishment ( ARDE) Pune in > April 1961 and then selected as Gazetted officer Scientist " B " on 12 > June 1962 ( Rahu MD-Sun AD). > > > > ASH : THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE SUN ANTRA STARTED YOU CAN SEE THE > POWER. FROM THE WS. IT HAS GOT 18 POINTS IN 6TH AND ITS LOE. THE > POWER OF SUN IS ALSO 14 IN 10TH HOUSE BUT EXPENSES ARE EQUAL TO > INCOME HERE. SUN IS ALSO SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH HOUSE. SO > HERE YOU GOT GOOD STATUS AND SAY A PROMOTION TOO. SUN IS ALSO SD TO > GURU WHO IS LOE FOR 10TH. SO HERE SUN GETS HELP TOO.. AGAIN THE MD > IS RAHU SO YOUR MIND WILL BE AROUND JOB AND AUTHORITY. > > > > I worked in Gun Recoil Systems in ARDE. In June 1963 I was > transferred to efence R & D Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad and again > sent to training in Guided Missiles to Institute of Armament > Studies, Pune in Oct 1963 for about one year. After return I was > promoted as Scientist " C " in November 1965 (Jupiter MD- > > Jupiter AD), as Scientist " D " > > > > ASH: NOW IN 1965/MAY THE MAHADASHA CHANGED AND SO THE KARAKTWA > RELATED TO RAHU (VE AND JU AND 6TH) WILL DIMINISH AND KARAKTWA FOR > GURU WILL START. HERE GURU IS IN 5TH HOUSE WITH 7 BINDUS SO HERE > GURU WILL ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KARAK FOR 10TH HOUSE. GURU > IS ALSO KARAK FOR 8TH HOUSE (RESEARCH, ASTROLOGY) AND 11TH HOUSE. > GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 2ND AND 5TH HOUSE. SO ALL THE ANTRAS IN GURU > WILL HAVE A TOUCH OF THAT MEANS FLAVOUR OF THAT. NOW AS SOON AS > GURU AD STARTED AND GURU BEING LOE FOR 10TH, ITS KARAK FOR 10TH, SD > TO LOE TO 6TH HOUSE SUN, LOE TO VENUS WHO IS LORD OF SELF AND LOD > FOR 11TH AND KARAK FOR PERSONALITY AND ALSO LOE FOR INITIATIVES. SO > U MUST HAVE GOT GOOD STATUS AND PROMOTION. > > > > in June 1972 (Jupiter MD Ketu AD) and as Scientist " E " > > > > ASH: GURU MD AND KETU ANTRA. KETU IS IN HOUSE D FOR 10TH AS B. > AGAIN KETU IN HOUSE DO FOR 10TH AS B WILL BE EAGER TO GIVE U > PROMOTION. THE MD IS GURU SO AGAIN GOOD STATUS. SO FOR TIMING OF > EVENT I AM NOT USING MD. HERE ITS SHOWING THE INFLUENCE GOING ON. > > > > in April 1982 (Saturn MD- Saturn AD)(. I took voluntary > retirement on 1 September 1990 (Saturn MD- Venus AD) to pursue my > hobbies of Astrology and Philosophy. > > > > ASH: SHANI IS LORD OF 4TH AND 5TH SO ITS KARAK FOR 9TH AND 10TH > MATTERS. SHANI IS NK FOR 4TH AND 3RD TOO. HERE YOUR MIND IS PARTLY > AROUND AUTHORITY BUT ALSO NOW ITS CHANGED TOWARDS 9TH MATTERS SO > SPIRITUAL PERSUITS AND U CAME IN CONTACT WITH GURUS'S AND TEACHERS, > SPIRITUAL PERSUITS. AGAIN SHANI IS KARAK FOR 4TH HOUSE SO THINGS > RELATED TO REAL HAPPINESS AND THAT ALSO COMES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND > ALSO THAT OF HARD WORK AND INITIATIVES. SHANI IS ALSO IN 6TH HOUSE > WITH 5 BINDUS SO HERE IT WILL ALSO ACT OR GIVE KARKATWA FOR 11TH > HOUSE AND FULLFILLMENT OF DESIRES AND ALSO THAT OF INCOME AND > FINANCES. > > > > Since then I wrote two books on Astrology of my research, along > with my wife traveled many countries on invitation to attend > astrology conferences and pleasure trips and visited many Ashram & > Gurus. Presently also just I am continuing my hobby of astrology but > with less vigor and more towards meditation. Presently I am running > Mercury MD and Venus AD till August 2006.I do not know how to > analyze my profession as per KAS further. > > > > > > ASH: I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE. IN SA MD, SA WILL HAVE KARAKTWA > FOR 3RD, 4TH, 10TH, 9TH AND 11TH HOUSE. > > > > Please take your time and reply. > > > > Once again I appreciate your efforts to explain the points. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then > 5th > > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for > 10th > > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > > are we using Karak ? > > > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > > event. > > > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion > then > > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > > > So that answers the timing of event. > > > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > > operations. > > > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > > Reason. > > > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd > holder > > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > > promotion and became a supervisor. > > > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going > by > > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > > event. > > > > This is very important concept. > > > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > > strong or weak. > > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > > dominates over NK. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > > on KAS. > > > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > > if that caused confusion. > > > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > > that. > > > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > > karaktwa? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then > 5th > > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for > 10th > > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > > are we using Karak ? > > > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > > event. > > > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion > then > > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > > > So that answers the timing of event. > > > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > > operations. > > > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > > Reason. > > > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd > holder > > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > > promotion and became a supervisor. > > > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going > by > > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > > event. > > > > This is very important concept. > > > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > > strong or weak. > > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > > dominates over NK. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > > on KAS. > > > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > > if that caused confusion. > > > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > > that. > > > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > > karaktwa? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > > > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > > > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > > > according to my own concept as much as I understood > > > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > > > that , > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > > Event WILL happen > > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > > > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > > > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > > > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > > > lord and its houses. > > > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > > > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > > > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > > > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > > > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > > > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > > > also so pls do not confuse. > > > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > > > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > > > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > > > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > > > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > > > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > > > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > > > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > > > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > > > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > > > house. > > > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > > > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > > > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > > > also . > > > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > > > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > > > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > > > wrote: > > > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > > > > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > > > AD is not in line with KAS. > > > > > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > > > the archives that > > > > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > > Event WILL happen > > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > > > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > > > you a question. > > > > > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > > > Mahadasha. > > > > > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > > > example. > > > > > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > > > in deeper. > > > > > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > > > benefit from the same. > > > > > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > > > > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > > > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > > > > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > > > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > > > can proceed to next level. > > > > > > Awating you reply. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > > > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > > > > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > > > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > > > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > > > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > > > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > > > give your Rules for our easy following. > > > > > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > > > any house, the results of that house may happen > > > beneficially. > > > > > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > > > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > > > results may be with come problems. > > > > > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > > > the results of that those may still happen > > > beneficially to some extent. > > > > > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > > > results of that house may not happen. > > > > > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > > > house or together, there may be problems in the > > > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > > > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > > > > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > > > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > > > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > > > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > > > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > > > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > > > > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > > > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > > > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > > > > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > > > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > > > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > > > > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > > > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > > > in those linked houses also. > > > > > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > > > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > > > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > > > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > > > > > Please reply at your convenience. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > > > PEMMARAJU V.R. 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Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Thank you Blessings Pemmaraju ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Just think of it this way. Timing from antra and from Mahadasha you can get karaktwa. Say if delay is over and say 4th house lords antra is running means LoD then marriage will take place, now at that time if MD running of 5th lord then it maybe the case where the person met his wife at work. i.e. 5th lord is karak for 10th. But for timing of event leave aside MD. Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thank you for your explanation. I think I am getting it. > > I have not fully understood the statements " If MD is not favorable, AD is favorable, event will happen and if MD is favorable, AD not favorable, event will not happen " . Please clarify. > > I give below my understanding/ misunderstanding. May be again I am mixing up the role of MD and AD and trying to link MD and AD. If so please excuse and ignore the following. > > MD is concerned with certain houses as Karaka. I understand that MD is favorable means that MD is favorable for those houses for which it is Karaka and MD is not favorable means that MD is not favorable for other houses for which it is not Karaka. MD favorable / not favorable for any house is not as per the points >12 or <12 in WS for that house( I remember Dadhi said in some mail that WS points are not to be taken for MD). > > AD is for timing of events. AD favorable/ not favorable for any house is as per the points >12 or <12 in WS for that house. The points in WS for different houses for AD would give favorable/ not favorable results. > > For example, in my chart, the present Mercury MD is in natal chart FK for 2nd, 5th for Mercury lordship of 9th & 12th and FK for 4th for placement of Mercury in 11th house. In Kalapurusha, Mercury is NK for 8th & 11th for Mercury lordship of 3rd and 6th and I do not know whether to > take NK for 10th for placement in 5th. So Mercury represents 2nd, 5th, and 4th > And 8th & 11th, the former three houses a bit more than the latter two houses since the former are FKs. The flavor/ mindset/ thoughts (can I say the thrust of life) in Mercury MD would be towards these houses and Mercury would be favorable for these houses. > > Now the AD is Venus in MD Mercury. In WS, Venus has got less points <12 for 2nd, 5th, 7th, 11th and 12th and more points >12 for 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th. Venus AD will give timing of events for those houses >12 points favorably or for those houses <12 unfavorably. > > I understand that though the Mercury MD mind set is favorable for 2nd, 5th, 4th, 8th, 11th, the Venus AD will not give favorable timing for results for 2nd, 5th. 11th due to less points and will give favorable timing for results for 4th & 8th due to more points. For the other houses though MD is not favorable and mind set is not concerned, since AD is favourable with more points, the timing for results would be favorable and if AD is not favorable with less points the timing for results would be unfavorable. The mind set is not there for 7th due to MD, AD also got less points for 7th, and so the results for 7th would not be favorable, say the relationship with wife would not be favorable. Similarly though there is mind set for 5th for MD, the AD got less points for 5th and so, say, there may not be good connections with son. > Since AD got more points for 10th, there may be authority on 2nd, 5th say family, son. Etc Etc > > I may be again totally wrong in this interpretation. > > Please take your own time and reply. Please do not usurp your precious time for your regular job and family for answering this mail. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > You are still trying to somehow link MD to AD. Please stop doing > that and everything will get clear. > > Forget MD, just think of it as it shows the reason. > > In Rahu MD will be linked with Job, authory or better to say 6th > house, 10th, 1st and 6th, 2nd and 12th, 5th and 2nd. So All the > antras inside the MD of Rahu will have such flavour. > > In Guru MD, this changes. The element of 6th, 2nd and 12th is gone > and instead the antras now will have flavour of 2nd, 5th, 8th, 11th > and 10th. > > In Shani MD this again change means karaktwa of Guru will end and > karaktwa denoted by Shani will start. So your focus on life will be > more towards 4th, 3rd, 11th, 10th and 9th matters. > > > Now Md has changed to Mercury. So Shanis karktwa will end and that > of mercury will start. Here 8th (and hence so many quesiton on > death), 11th, 5th and 2nd will be the key focus. So now your mind > will be mostly on matters around such things. > > Now antra and its power remain same. > > Another analogy i can give is that Guru say is powerful for 10th > house means its eager to give u authority. Now that will be in all > the MD's and it does not matter. But influence of life or mindset > might be different. > > Say in MD of Mercury MD and Ju Antra might give u authority as a > writer or say u may become the head pujari of your local temple. > > In MD of 5th lord and in Guru antra u might become a CEO of a > company or maybe promoted to say the post of a manager. > > So in both cases the antra (timing of event) is showing authorty but > in what sphere or influence and the level of rise that might be > denoted by MD. > > Also say sometimes you might have noticed that in one MD the person > might have millions of Dollars and might be spending lavisly but the > same person might not have that much in another MD but in the same > antra to spend. Again that is showed by Status. > > Just dont try to link MD to AD. Think think that MD gives an aroma > but timing is from AD. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash ( /Ramesh), > > > > Thank you very for your quick reply. I did my analysis last > night before receiving your reply to compare with yours. I am happy > that I got almost same analysis. But I got some doubts as below. > Please clarify at your leisure. > > > > I got my first job in Rahu MD and Venus AD. Rahu is in Libra > Venus sign & Jupiter star. Venus has 6 points and Jupiter has 2 > points in Libra. So Rahu is more SD to Venus.Venus is FK to 6th > house representing Job. So Rahu is perfectly OK as MD for job. Venus > is AD. But Venus as AD is connected to 6 th as FK/ LoA only though > got 12 points in 6th. > > Here for 6th, Venus (representing Rahu)is FK as MD and FK as AD. > > Can we take FK for a house for AD also similar to MD, even when > AD does not represent the house in any other way as LoD/ LoE / in D/ > in E? Similarly in Saturn MD and Saturn AD, I got promotion when > Saturn as MD is FK to 10th house. But Saturn as AD is again FK only > to 10th and not connected to 10th as LoD/ LoE/ in D/in E, having 13 > points in 10th. I got promotion in Jupiter MD and Jupiter AD, but in > this case Jupiter as MD is FK to 10th being placed in 5th and > Jupiter as AD is LoE to 10th in addition to FK to 10th, with 28 > points in 10th. > > > > > > Though I took voluntary retirement, it amounts to that I lost my > job in Saturn MD and Venus AD and did not join another official job. > Earlier in Rahu MD and Venus AD, I got a job, resigned and again > joined another job. I do not know how this Venus in Saturn MD has > not given another official job, though I took my hobbies as job > only. Venus as AD gave job in Rahu MD and the same Venus as AD in > Saturn MD removed the job. > > Is it because Venus has got more points for 9th ( 12th to 10th) > than 10th? I do not understand. Please explain. > > > > In your analysis, you said that Jupiter is SD to Sun. I do not > understand it. In Summary it is given that the Planets in the sign > of LD or LE > or = 5 points is SD to LoD or LoE. Here for 6th, Sun > is in D Leo and Jupiter is LoE. So Jupiter & Sun are SDs, in 1:7 and > Jupiter has more points in 5th than Sun in 11th and so Sun gets help > from Jupiter. Understanding the role of SDs is still giving problem > to me.. Am I correct? Please explain. > > > > In Summary, it is mentioned that the sub period planet entered > in the cell would be shown in Green colour and would give the > results of the houses mentioned against them. So have we to take the > houses in Summary table only for Sub period planets results and /or > have we to consider the other houses mentioned in the WS also for > that sub period planet? Please clarify. > > > > > > For the MD of Mercury and its ADs, I will try my analysis later > on, after learning from you more about MD,AD, SDs and their > application. > > > > Sorry to give you more trouble. But keen to learn and understand > better, so I cannot help but to trouble you. > > > > Please take your time and reply. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju V. r. Rayudu > > > > > > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju and Ramesh, > > > > Here is my attempt. Please see my answers in CAPS below. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you very much for this mail and the earlier one. You have > taken lot of time and trouble to explain. You said that you would > give more about MD and AD in your next mail. Thank you. > > > > I will be very grateful if you can explain with respect to my > horoscope, so that I can understand much better. I know that it is > too much to ask intruding into your precious time. Please do not > misunderstand that it is a consultation and I know this is not a > forum for consultation. Earlier you had already explained my Mercury > MD and Venus, Sun, Moon ADs with respect to wife, son, but > unfortunately it was deleted by mistake. I give below my details > about profession. I do not know whether to take the house where MD > is placed also in addition to the lordship houses. I do not know > whether AD would give results of the houses for which the MD is not > FK/NK etc. I do not venture to analyse my profession since I am > still not confident. > > > > > > ASH : PLEASE SEE BELOW. > > > > DoB 7 September 1938, ToB 08:56:16 hrs; PoB Vizianagaram, Andhra > Pradesh State, India 18N07, 83E26 > > > > After Mechanical Engineering degree in 1959, I joined job as > Junior Engineer in a private Sirpur Paper Mills, Sirpur Kaghaznagar, > about 600 km from Hyderabad in Jan 1960. > > > > ASH: RAHU MD IS ON FROM 1947 THRU 1965. RAHU IS IN KARAK STHAN > FOR 6TH HOUSE. RA IS SD TO VE AND JU. JU IS KARAK FOR 5TH. DURING > THIS MD THE FLAVOUR WILL BE THAT OF 6TH AND THE HOUSE THAT JU AND VE > ARE KARAKS FOR. > > IT WAS DURING THIS MD, YOU GOT YOUR DEGREE AND THEN U GOT YOUR > FIRST JOB IN VE ANTRA. VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 POINTS > FOR 10TH HOUSE, 10 POINTS FOR 11TH HOUSE. > > > > > > I resigned the job in Nov 1960 and joined Defence Research & > Development Organisation, > > > > ASH: START OF JOB IN VENUS ANTRA WITH 12 POINTS AND LESS POWER > FOR 11TH AND 10TH HOUSE. YOU ALSO RESIGNED AND JOINED ANOTHER JOB. > HERE VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 FOR 10TH HOUSE AND 11 > POINTS FOR 11TH AND -2 FOR 7TH. > > > > Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Delhi on 5 Dec 1960 as > Junior Research fellow under training programme. In Delhi, I was > there from Dec 1960 to April 1961 attending the orientation and > training programme and visiting Defence forward areas in Kashmir > etc. > > > > ASH : STILL TILL APRIL 1961 YOU WERE IN VENUS ANTRA. > > > > I was transferred to Armament R & D Establishment ( ARDE) Pune in > April 1961 and then selected as Gazetted officer Scientist " B " on 12 > June 1962 ( Rahu MD-Sun AD). > > > > ASH : THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE SUN ANTRA STARTED YOU CAN SEE THE > POWER. FROM THE WS. IT HAS GOT 18 POINTS IN 6TH AND ITS LOE. THE > POWER OF SUN IS ALSO 14 IN 10TH HOUSE BUT EXPENSES ARE EQUAL TO > INCOME HERE. SUN IS ALSO SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH HOUSE. SO > HERE YOU GOT GOOD STATUS AND SAY A PROMOTION TOO. SUN IS ALSO SD TO > GURU WHO IS LOE FOR 10TH. SO HERE SUN GETS HELP TOO.. AGAIN THE MD > IS RAHU SO YOUR MIND WILL BE AROUND JOB AND AUTHORITY. > > > > I worked in Gun Recoil Systems in ARDE. In June 1963 I was > transferred to efence R & D Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad and again > sent to training in Guided Missiles to Institute of Armament > Studies, Pune in Oct 1963 for about one year. After return I was > promoted as Scientist " C " in November 1965 (Jupiter MD- > > Jupiter AD), as Scientist " D " > > > > ASH: NOW IN 1965/MAY THE MAHADASHA CHANGED AND SO THE KARAKTWA > RELATED TO RAHU (VE AND JU AND 6TH) WILL DIMINISH AND KARAKTWA FOR > GURU WILL START. HERE GURU IS IN 5TH HOUSE WITH 7 BINDUS SO HERE > GURU WILL ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KARAK FOR 10TH HOUSE. GURU > IS ALSO KARAK FOR 8TH HOUSE (RESEARCH, ASTROLOGY) AND 11TH HOUSE. > GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 2ND AND 5TH HOUSE. SO ALL THE ANTRAS IN GURU > WILL HAVE A TOUCH OF THAT MEANS FLAVOUR OF THAT. NOW AS SOON AS > GURU AD STARTED AND GURU BEING LOE FOR 10TH, ITS KARAK FOR 10TH, SD > TO LOE TO 6TH HOUSE SUN, LOE TO VENUS WHO IS LORD OF SELF AND LOD > FOR 11TH AND KARAK FOR PERSONALITY AND ALSO LOE FOR INITIATIVES. SO > U MUST HAVE GOT GOOD STATUS AND PROMOTION. > > > > in June 1972 (Jupiter MD Ketu AD) and as Scientist " E " > > > > ASH: GURU MD AND KETU ANTRA. KETU IS IN HOUSE D FOR 10TH AS B. > AGAIN KETU IN HOUSE DO FOR 10TH AS B WILL BE EAGER TO GIVE U > PROMOTION. THE MD IS GURU SO AGAIN GOOD STATUS. SO FOR TIMING OF > EVENT I AM NOT USING MD. HERE ITS SHOWING THE INFLUENCE GOING ON. > > > > in April 1982 (Saturn MD- Saturn AD)(. I took voluntary > retirement on 1 September 1990 (Saturn MD- Venus AD) to pursue my > hobbies of Astrology and Philosophy. > > > > ASH: SHANI IS LORD OF 4TH AND 5TH SO ITS KARAK FOR 9TH AND 10TH > MATTERS. SHANI IS NK FOR 4TH AND 3RD TOO. HERE YOUR MIND IS PARTLY > AROUND AUTHORITY BUT ALSO NOW ITS CHANGED TOWARDS 9TH MATTERS SO > SPIRITUAL PERSUITS AND U CAME IN CONTACT WITH GURUS'S AND TEACHERS, > SPIRITUAL PERSUITS. AGAIN SHANI IS KARAK FOR 4TH HOUSE SO THINGS > RELATED TO REAL HAPPINESS AND THAT ALSO COMES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND > ALSO THAT OF HARD WORK AND INITIATIVES. SHANI IS ALSO IN 6TH HOUSE > WITH 5 BINDUS SO HERE IT WILL ALSO ACT OR GIVE KARKATWA FOR 11TH > HOUSE AND FULLFILLMENT OF DESIRES AND ALSO THAT OF INCOME AND > FINANCES. > > > > Since then I wrote two books on Astrology of my research, along > with my wife traveled many countries on invitation to attend > astrology conferences and pleasure trips and visited many Ashram & > Gurus. Presently also just I am continuing my hobby of astrology but > with less vigor and more towards meditation. Presently I am running > Mercury MD and Venus AD till August 2006.I do not know how to > analyze my profession as per KAS further. > > > > > > ASH: I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE. IN SA MD, SA WILL HAVE KARAKTWA > FOR 3RD, 4TH, 10TH, 9TH AND 11TH HOUSE. > > > > Please take your time and reply. > > > > Once again I appreciate your efforts to explain the points. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then > 5th > > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for > 10th > > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > > are we using Karak ? > > > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > > event. > > > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion > then > > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > > > So that answers the timing of event. > > > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > > operations. > > > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > > Reason. > > > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd > holder > > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > > promotion and became a supervisor. > > > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going > by > > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > > event. > > > > This is very important concept. > > > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > > strong or weak. > > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > > dominates over NK. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > > on KAS. > > > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > > if that caused confusion. > > > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > > that. > > > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > > karaktwa? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then > 5th > > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for > 10th > > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > > are we using Karak ? > > > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > > event. > > > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion > then > > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > > > So that answers the timing of event. > > > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > > operations. > > > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > > Reason. > > > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd > holder > > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > > promotion and became a supervisor. > > > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going > by > > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > > event. > > > > This is very important concept. > > > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > > strong or weak. > > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > > dominates over NK. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > > on KAS. > > > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > > if that caused confusion. > > > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > > that. > > > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > > karaktwa? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > > > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > > > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > > > according to my own concept as much as I understood > > > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > > > that , > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > > Event WILL happen > > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > > > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > > > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > > > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > > > lord and its houses. > > > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > > > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > > > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > > > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > > > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > > > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > > > also so pls do not confuse. > > > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > > > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > > > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > > > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > > > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > > > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > > > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > > > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > > > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > > > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > > > house. > > > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > > > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > > > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > > > also . > > > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > > > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > > > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > > > wrote: > > > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > > > > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > > > AD is not in line with KAS. > > > > > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > > > the archives that > > > > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > > Event WILL happen > > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > > > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > > > you a question. > > > > > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > > > Mahadasha. > > > > > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > > > example. > > > > > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > > > in deeper. > > > > > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > > > benefit from the same. > > > > > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > > > > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > > > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > > > > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > > > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > > > can proceed to next level. > > > > > > Awating you reply. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > > > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > > > > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > > > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > > > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > > > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > > > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > > > give your Rules for our easy following. > > > > > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > > > any house, the results of that house may happen > > > beneficially. > > > > > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > > > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > > > results may be with come problems. > > > > > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > > > the results of that those may still happen > > > beneficially to some extent. > > > > > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > > > results of that house may not happen. > > > > > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > > > house or together, there may be problems in the > > > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > > > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > > > > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > > > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > > > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > > > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > > > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > > > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > > > > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > > > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > > > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > > > > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > > > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > > > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > > > > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > > > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > > > in those linked houses also. > > > > > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > > > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > > > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > > > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > > > > > Please reply at your convenience. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > > > PEMMARAJU V.R. 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Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Thank you. Blessings Pemmaraju ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Mercury if with Mars and Sun will become Samdharmi. Sam=similar and dharmi=duty. Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Thank you Ash for your detailed reply. > My present MD is Mercury who is with Sun and Mars in Rasi and with Mars in Navamsha. During Mercury MD, in addition to taking karakartwas of Mercury, have I to take the karakatwas of Mars & Sun also? > Please reply at your convenience. There is no hurry. > Blessings > Pemmaraju > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Pemmaraju, > > I am seperating this mail from the KArak mail that i just sent and > will address your question on SD. > > please read my answers below in CAPS. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash ( /Ramesh), > > > ............ > > > > In your analysis, you said that Jupiter is SD to Sun. I do not > understand it. In Summary it is given that the Planets in the sign > of LD or LE > or = 5 points is SD to LoD or LoE. Here for 6th, Sun > is in D Leo and Jupiter is LoE. So Jupiter & Sun are SDs, in 1:7 and > Jupiter has more points in 5th than Sun in 11th and so Sun gets help > from Jupiter. Understanding the role of SDs is still giving problem > to me.. Am I correct? Please explain. > > > ASH : FIRST THING FIRST IS TO READ NOT JUST THE PART OF MESSAGE BUT > THE FULL MESSAGE. LET ME EXPLAIN. > > PLANEST WILL ACT AS PER THEIR OWN STRENGH AS WELL AS THEY WILL GIVE > THE RESULT OF THEIR SD. SUPPOSE TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, SUN IS POWERFUL > FOR 5TH HOUSE AND PLACED IN 11TH HOUSE SO FOR SAY 5TH HOUSE MATTER > IT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE RESULT AS ITS HAVING ITS ASPECT. HERE > ASSUME SUN IS NOT LOD OR LOE FOR 5TH. IN THAT CASE ITS SD WILL COME > FORWARD. > > TAKE YOUR CASE, SUN, ME AND MA ARE ALL TOGETHER IN 11TH HOUSE. THEY > ARE ALL SD TO 2ND LORD MARS. SO IN ALL THE ANTRAS YOU MIGHT > EXPERIENCE SOME TOOTACHE OR SOME GUM PROBLEMS OR SAY EVEN WORRIES. > > THIS CONCEPT WILL GET CLEAR WITH MORE PRACTICE AND SOLVING MORE AND > MORE CHARTS. > > NOW COMING BACK TO YOUR OBSERVATOION. GURU IS SD TO SUN. I HOPE > ITS CLEAR HOW THAT IS. GURU CONJOINS SUN IN NAVAMSA THEREBY MAKING > THEM SAMDHARMI. THIS IS GIVEN IN LESSON. GURU IS PLACED IN LIBRA > NAVAMSA SO GURU HAS BECOME SD TO VENUS TOO. > > NOW GURU WILL GIVE ITS RESULT AS PER ITS POINTS AND ALSO THAT OF ITS > SD. NOW SUN IS IN HOUSE E WITH MORE BINDUS FOR 6TH AS B FOR YOUR > CHART. SO IN THAT CASE ITS ADDING THAT TOUCH TO GURU TOO. GURU > ITSELF IS LOD FOR 6TH HOUSE AND AT THE SAME TIME ITS SD TO LOE SUN > FOR 6TH. SO GURU ANTRA WOULD BE EAGER TO GIVE U SUCCESS IN YOUR JOB > (6TH HOUSE) AT THE SAME TIME ITS EAGER TO GIVE U AUTHORITY OR > PROMOTION I.E. LOE FOR 10TH AS B I.E. AT THE SAME TIME, GURU IS SD > TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH ALSO AGIAN ITS GOOD OR SAY GIVING TOUCH > OF SOME LOD TO JU OR U CAN ALSO SAY THAT LOE AND LOD FOR 10TH AS B > ARE CONJOINING AND ALSO GURU IS SD LOD FOR JOB AND AT THE SAME TIME > ITS SD TO LOE FOR JOB TOO. SO IN ALL OF GURU ANTRAS IN ALL MD'S U > WILL EXPERIENCE VERY GOOD STATUS, IF IN JOB PROMOTION, BUT U WILL > GET GOOD AUTHORITY. NOW GURU IS ALSO IN LIBRA AND ITS SD TO VENUS. > SO AGAIN IT WILL GET A TOUCH OF VENUS MEANS VENUS IS 1ST LORD AND > 8TH LORDS SO AGAIN VENUS IS LOE FOR INCOME TOO AND ALSO LOD FOR 4TH > HOUSE SO AGAIN THIS GURU WILL GET THIS HINT TOO. ALSO VENUS IS GOOD > FOR TAKING INITIATIVES SO IT WILL ADD THAT FLAVOUR TO GURU TOO. > > WITH PRACTICE ALL THIS WILL COME... BUT APPROACH SLOWLY.. AND WITH > THIS I THINK U WILL GET AN IDEA AND U CAN STUDY THE SAME IN YOUR > CHART. > > Mars/Guru 1941-Nov-04 1942-Oct-11 > Rahu/Guru 1950-Jan-31 1952-Jun-26 > Guru/Guru 1965-May-21 1967-Jul-09 > Shani/Guru 1997-Nov-07 2000-May-20 > > You can study the same and comment. I am be quite sure that u must > have enjoyed good happiness during these times but again with a hint > of worries too (being SD to 2nd lord). > > > > > > In Summary, it is mentioned that the sub period planet entered > in the cell would be shown in Green colour and would give the > results of the houses mentioned against them. So have we to take the > houses in Summary table only for Sub period planets results and /or > have we to consider the other houses mentioned in the WS also for > that sub period planet? Please clarify. > > ASH: EXPLAINED THE APPROACH ABOVE. > > > > > > > > For the MD of Mercury and its ADs, I will try my analysis later > on, after learning from you more about MD,AD, SDs and their > application. > > > > Sorry to give you more trouble. But keen to learn and understand > better, so I cannot help but to trouble you. > > > > Please take your time and reply. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju V. r. Rayudu > > > > > > > > > > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju and Ramesh, > > > > Here is my attempt. Please see my answers in CAPS below. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you very much for this mail and the earlier one. You have > taken lot of time and trouble to explain. You said that you would > give more about MD and AD in your next mail. Thank you. > > > > I will be very grateful if you can explain with respect to my > horoscope, so that I can understand much better. I know that it is > too much to ask intruding into your precious time. Please do not > misunderstand that it is a consultation and I know this is not a > forum for consultation. Earlier you had already explained my Mercury > MD and Venus, Sun, Moon ADs with respect to wife, son, but > unfortunately it was deleted by mistake. I give below my details > about profession. I do not know whether to take the house where MD > is placed also in addition to the lordship houses. I do not know > whether AD would give results of the houses for which the MD is not > FK/NK etc. I do not venture to analyse my profession since I am > still not confident. > > > > > > ASH : PLEASE SEE BELOW. > > > > DoB 7 September 1938, ToB 08:56:16 hrs; PoB Vizianagaram, Andhra > Pradesh State, India 18N07, 83E26 > > > > After Mechanical Engineering degree in 1959, I joined job as > Junior Engineer in a private Sirpur Paper Mills, Sirpur Kaghaznagar, > about 600 km from Hyderabad in Jan 1960. > > > > ASH: RAHU MD IS ON FROM 1947 THRU 1965. RAHU IS IN KARAK STHAN > FOR 6TH HOUSE. RA IS SD TO VE AND JU. JU IS KARAK FOR 5TH. DURING > THIS MD THE FLAVOUR WILL BE THAT OF 6TH AND THE HOUSE THAT JU AND VE > ARE KARAKS FOR. > > IT WAS DURING THIS MD, YOU GOT YOUR DEGREE AND THEN U GOT YOUR > FIRST JOB IN VE ANTRA. VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 POINTS > FOR 10TH HOUSE, 10 POINTS FOR 11TH HOUSE. > > > > > > I resigned the job in Nov 1960 and joined Defence Research & > Development Organisation, > > > > ASH: START OF JOB IN VENUS ANTRA WITH 12 POINTS AND LESS POWER > FOR 11TH AND 10TH HOUSE. YOU ALSO RESIGNED AND JOINED ANOTHER JOB. > HERE VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 FOR 10TH HOUSE AND 11 > POINTS FOR 11TH AND -2 FOR 7TH. > > > > Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Delhi on 5 Dec 1960 as > Junior Research fellow under training programme. In Delhi, I was > there from Dec 1960 to April 1961 attending the orientation and > training programme and visiting Defence forward areas in Kashmir > etc. > > > > ASH : STILL TILL APRIL 1961 YOU WERE IN VENUS ANTRA. > > > > I was transferred to Armament R & D Establishment ( ARDE) Pune in > April 1961 and then selected as Gazetted officer Scientist " B " on 12 > June 1962 ( Rahu MD-Sun AD). > > > > ASH : THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE SUN ANTRA STARTED YOU CAN SEE THE > POWER. FROM THE WS. IT HAS GOT 18 POINTS IN 6TH AND ITS LOE. THE > POWER OF SUN IS ALSO 14 IN 10TH HOUSE BUT EXPENSES ARE EQUAL TO > INCOME HERE. SUN IS ALSO SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH HOUSE. SO > HERE YOU GOT GOOD STATUS AND SAY A PROMOTION TOO. SUN IS ALSO SD TO > GURU WHO IS LOE FOR 10TH. SO HERE SUN GETS HELP TOO.. AGAIN THE MD > IS RAHU SO YOUR MIND WILL BE AROUND JOB AND AUTHORITY. > > > > I worked in Gun Recoil Systems in ARDE. In June 1963 I was > transferred to efence R & D Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad and again > sent to training in Guided Missiles to Institute of Armament > Studies, Pune in Oct 1963 for about one year. After return I was > promoted as Scientist " C " in November 1965 (Jupiter MD- > > Jupiter AD), as Scientist " D " > > > > ASH: NOW IN 1965/MAY THE MAHADASHA CHANGED AND SO THE KARAKTWA > RELATED TO RAHU (VE AND JU AND 6TH) WILL DIMINISH AND KARAKTWA FOR > GURU WILL START. HERE GURU IS IN 5TH HOUSE WITH 7 BINDUS SO HERE > GURU WILL ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KARAK FOR 10TH HOUSE. GURU > IS ALSO KARAK FOR 8TH HOUSE (RESEARCH, ASTROLOGY) AND 11TH HOUSE. > GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 2ND AND 5TH HOUSE. SO ALL THE ANTRAS IN GURU > WILL HAVE A TOUCH OF THAT MEANS FLAVOUR OF THAT. NOW AS SOON AS > GURU AD STARTED AND GURU BEING LOE FOR 10TH, ITS KARAK FOR 10TH, SD > TO LOE TO 6TH HOUSE SUN, LOE TO VENUS WHO IS LORD OF SELF AND LOD > FOR 11TH AND KARAK FOR PERSONALITY AND ALSO LOE FOR INITIATIVES. SO > U MUST HAVE GOT GOOD STATUS AND PROMOTION. > > > > in June 1972 (Jupiter MD Ketu AD) and as Scientist " E " > > > > ASH: GURU MD AND KETU ANTRA. KETU IS IN HOUSE D FOR 10TH AS B. > AGAIN KETU IN HOUSE DO FOR 10TH AS B WILL BE EAGER TO GIVE U > PROMOTION. THE MD IS GURU SO AGAIN GOOD STATUS. SO FOR TIMING OF > EVENT I AM NOT USING MD. HERE ITS SHOWING THE INFLUENCE GOING ON. > > > > in April 1982 (Saturn MD- Saturn AD)(. I took voluntary > retirement on 1 September 1990 (Saturn MD- Venus AD) to pursue my > hobbies of Astrology and Philosophy. > > > > ASH: SHANI IS LORD OF 4TH AND 5TH SO ITS KARAK FOR 9TH AND 10TH > MATTERS. SHANI IS NK FOR 4TH AND 3RD TOO. HERE YOUR MIND IS PARTLY > AROUND AUTHORITY BUT ALSO NOW ITS CHANGED TOWARDS 9TH MATTERS SO > SPIRITUAL PERSUITS AND U CAME IN CONTACT WITH GURUS'S AND TEACHERS, > SPIRITUAL PERSUITS. AGAIN SHANI IS KARAK FOR 4TH HOUSE SO THINGS > RELATED TO REAL HAPPINESS AND THAT ALSO COMES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND > ALSO THAT OF HARD WORK AND INITIATIVES. SHANI IS ALSO IN 6TH HOUSE > WITH 5 BINDUS SO HERE IT WILL ALSO ACT OR GIVE KARKATWA FOR 11TH > HOUSE AND FULLFILLMENT OF DESIRES AND ALSO THAT OF INCOME AND > FINANCES. > > > > Since then I wrote two books on Astrology of my research, along > with my wife traveled many countries on invitation to attend > astrology conferences and pleasure trips and visited many Ashram & > Gurus. Presently also just I am continuing my hobby of astrology but > with less vigor and more towards meditation. Presently I am running > Mercury MD and Venus AD till August 2006.I do not know how to > analyze my profession as per KAS further. > > > > > > ASH: I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE. IN SA MD, SA WILL HAVE KARAKTWA > FOR 3RD, 4TH, 10TH, 9TH AND 11TH HOUSE. > > > > Please take your time and reply. > > > > Once again I appreciate your efforts to explain the points. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then > 5th > > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for > 10th > > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > > are we using Karak ? > > > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > > event. > > > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion > then > > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > > > So that answers the timing of event. > > > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > > operations. > > > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > > Reason. > > > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd > holder > > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > > promotion and became a supervisor. > > > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going > by > > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > > event. > > > > This is very important concept. > > > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > > strong or weak. > > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > > dominates over NK. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > > on KAS. > > > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > > if that caused confusion. > > > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > > that. > > > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > > karaktwa? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then > 5th > > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for > 10th > > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making sure > > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of event > > are we using Karak ? > > > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > > event. > > > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion > then > > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th house. > > > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. (assume > > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > > > So that answers the timing of event. > > > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > > operations. > > > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department head > > > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or even > > Reason. > > > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a person > > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd > holder > > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree and > > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 has > > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > > promotion and became a supervisor. > > > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are going > by > > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > > event. > > > > This is very important concept. > > > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > > strong or weak. > > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > > dominates over NK. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > > on KAS. > > > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > > if that caused confusion. > > > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > > that. > > > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > > karaktwa? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > > > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > > > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > > > according to my own concept as much as I understood > > > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > > > that , > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > > Event WILL happen > > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > > > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > > > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > > > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > > > lord and its houses. > > > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > > > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > > > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > > > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > > > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > > > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > > > also so pls do not confuse. > > > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > > > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > > > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > > > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > > > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > > > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > > > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > > > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > > > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > > > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > > > house. > > > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > > > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > > > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > > > also . > > > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > > > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > > > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > > > wrote: > > > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > > > > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > > > AD is not in line with KAS. > > > > > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > > > the archives that > > > > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > > Event WILL happen > > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > > > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > > > you a question. > > > > > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > > > Mahadasha. > > > > > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > > > example. > > > > > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > > > in deeper. > > > > > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > > > benefit from the same. > > > > > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > > > > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > > > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > > > > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > > > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > > > can proceed to next level. > > > > > > Awating you reply. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > > > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > > > > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > > > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > > > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > > > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > > > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > > > give your Rules for our easy following. > > > > > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > > > any house, the results of that house may happen > > > beneficially. > > > > > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > > > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > > > results may be with come problems. > > > > > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > > > the results of that those may still happen > > > beneficially to some extent. > > > > > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > > > results of that house may not happen. > > > > > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > > > house or together, there may be problems in the > > > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > > > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > > > > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > > > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > > > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > > > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > > > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > > > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > > > > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > > > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > > > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > > > > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > > > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > > > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > > > > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > > > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > > > in those linked houses also. > > > > > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > > > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > > > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > > > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > > > > > Please reply at your convenience. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > > > PEMMARAJU V.R. 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Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List members, If you do not understand these concepts right off the bat, its also ok and not to dispair. When we solve more and more charts all such things will start to get clear in due course in time. I have noticed the same, and some concepts that I had found difficult to grasp, Krushnaji had told me to have patience and in time such things will get cleared and now after a few years, I can attest to that. Sometimes we come across such charts that automatically clear some concepts. You are an experienced astrologer and I am sure u can relate to what I am saying. So dont worry, in time all things will get clear. Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Thank you. > Blessings > Pemmaraju > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Pemmaraju, > Mercury if with Mars and Sun will become Samdharmi. > Sam=similar and dharmi=duty. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > Thank you Ash for your detailed reply. > > My present MD is Mercury who is with Sun and Mars in Rasi and > with Mars in Navamsha. During Mercury MD, in addition to taking > karakartwas of Mercury, have I to take the karakatwas of Mars & Sun > also? > > Please reply at your convenience. There is no hurry. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > I am seperating this mail from the KArak mail that i just sent and > > will address your question on SD. > > > > please read my answers below in CAPS. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ( /Ramesh), > > > > > ............ > > > > > > In your analysis, you said that Jupiter is SD to Sun. I do not > > understand it. In Summary it is given that the Planets in the sign > > of LD or LE > or = 5 points is SD to LoD or LoE. Here for 6th, Sun > > is in D Leo and Jupiter is LoE. So Jupiter & Sun are SDs, in 1:7 > and > > Jupiter has more points in 5th than Sun in 11th and so Sun gets > help > > from Jupiter. Understanding the role of SDs is still giving > problem > > to me.. Am I correct? Please explain. > > > > > > ASH : FIRST THING FIRST IS TO READ NOT JUST THE PART OF MESSAGE > BUT > > THE FULL MESSAGE. LET ME EXPLAIN. > > > > PLANEST WILL ACT AS PER THEIR OWN STRENGH AS WELL AS THEY WILL > GIVE > > THE RESULT OF THEIR SD. SUPPOSE TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, SUN IS POWERFUL > > FOR 5TH HOUSE AND PLACED IN 11TH HOUSE SO FOR SAY 5TH HOUSE MATTER > > IT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE RESULT AS ITS HAVING ITS ASPECT. > HERE > > ASSUME SUN IS NOT LOD OR LOE FOR 5TH. IN THAT CASE ITS SD WILL > COME > > FORWARD. > > > > TAKE YOUR CASE, SUN, ME AND MA ARE ALL TOGETHER IN 11TH HOUSE. > THEY > > ARE ALL SD TO 2ND LORD MARS. SO IN ALL THE ANTRAS YOU MIGHT > > EXPERIENCE SOME TOOTACHE OR SOME GUM PROBLEMS OR SAY EVEN > WORRIES. > > > > THIS CONCEPT WILL GET CLEAR WITH MORE PRACTICE AND SOLVING MORE > AND > > MORE CHARTS. > > > > NOW COMING BACK TO YOUR OBSERVATOION. GURU IS SD TO SUN. I HOPE > > ITS CLEAR HOW THAT IS. GURU CONJOINS SUN IN NAVAMSA THEREBY > MAKING > > THEM SAMDHARMI. THIS IS GIVEN IN LESSON. GURU IS PLACED IN LIBRA > > NAVAMSA SO GURU HAS BECOME SD TO VENUS TOO. > > > > NOW GURU WILL GIVE ITS RESULT AS PER ITS POINTS AND ALSO THAT OF > ITS > > SD. NOW SUN IS IN HOUSE E WITH MORE BINDUS FOR 6TH AS B FOR YOUR > > CHART. SO IN THAT CASE ITS ADDING THAT TOUCH TO GURU TOO. GURU > > ITSELF IS LOD FOR 6TH HOUSE AND AT THE SAME TIME ITS SD TO LOE SUN > > FOR 6TH. SO GURU ANTRA WOULD BE EAGER TO GIVE U SUCCESS IN YOUR > JOB > > (6TH HOUSE) AT THE SAME TIME ITS EAGER TO GIVE U AUTHORITY OR > > PROMOTION I.E. LOE FOR 10TH AS B I.E. AT THE SAME TIME, GURU IS SD > > TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH ALSO AGIAN ITS GOOD OR SAY GIVING > TOUCH > > OF SOME LOD TO JU OR U CAN ALSO SAY THAT LOE AND LOD FOR 10TH AS B > > ARE CONJOINING AND ALSO GURU IS SD LOD FOR JOB AND AT THE SAME > TIME > > ITS SD TO LOE FOR JOB TOO. SO IN ALL OF GURU ANTRAS IN ALL MD'S U > > WILL EXPERIENCE VERY GOOD STATUS, IF IN JOB PROMOTION, BUT U WILL > > GET GOOD AUTHORITY. NOW GURU IS ALSO IN LIBRA AND ITS SD TO > VENUS. > > SO AGAIN IT WILL GET A TOUCH OF VENUS MEANS VENUS IS 1ST LORD AND > > 8TH LORDS SO AGAIN VENUS IS LOE FOR INCOME TOO AND ALSO LOD FOR > 4TH > > HOUSE SO AGAIN THIS GURU WILL GET THIS HINT TOO. ALSO VENUS IS > GOOD > > FOR TAKING INITIATIVES SO IT WILL ADD THAT FLAVOUR TO GURU TOO. > > > > WITH PRACTICE ALL THIS WILL COME... BUT APPROACH SLOWLY.. AND WITH > > THIS I THINK U WILL GET AN IDEA AND U CAN STUDY THE SAME IN YOUR > > CHART. > > > > Mars/Guru 1941-Nov-04 1942-Oct-11 > > Rahu/Guru 1950-Jan-31 1952-Jun-26 > > Guru/Guru 1965-May-21 1967-Jul-09 > > Shani/Guru 1997-Nov-07 2000-May-20 > > > > You can study the same and comment. I am be quite sure that u > must > > have enjoyed good happiness during these times but again with a > hint > > of worries too (being SD to 2nd lord). > > > > > > > > > > In Summary, it is mentioned that the sub period planet entered > > in the cell would be shown in Green colour and would give the > > results of the houses mentioned against them. So have we to take > the > > houses in Summary table only for Sub period planets results > and /or > > have we to consider the other houses mentioned in the WS also for > > that sub period planet? Please clarify. > > > > ASH: EXPLAINED THE APPROACH ABOVE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the MD of Mercury and its ADs, I will try my analysis > later > > on, after learning from you more about MD,AD, SDs and their > > application. > > > > > > Sorry to give you more trouble. But keen to learn and > understand > > better, so I cannot help but to trouble you. > > > > > > Please take your time and reply. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju V. r. Rayudu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju and Ramesh, > > > > > > Here is my attempt. Please see my answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thank you very much for this mail and the earlier one. You have > > taken lot of time and trouble to explain. You said that you would > > give more about MD and AD in your next mail. Thank you. > > > > > > I will be very grateful if you can explain with respect to my > > horoscope, so that I can understand much better. I know that it is > > too much to ask intruding into your precious time. Please do not > > misunderstand that it is a consultation and I know this is not a > > forum for consultation. Earlier you had already explained my > Mercury > > MD and Venus, Sun, Moon ADs with respect to wife, son, but > > unfortunately it was deleted by mistake. I give below my details > > about profession. I do not know whether to take the house where MD > > is placed also in addition to the lordship houses. I do not know > > whether AD would give results of the houses for which the MD is > not > > FK/NK etc. I do not venture to analyse my profession since I am > > still not confident. > > > > > > > > > ASH : PLEASE SEE BELOW. > > > > > > DoB 7 September 1938, ToB 08:56:16 hrs; PoB Vizianagaram, Andhra > > Pradesh State, India 18N07, 83E26 > > > > > > After Mechanical Engineering degree in 1959, I joined job as > > Junior Engineer in a private Sirpur Paper Mills, Sirpur > Kaghaznagar, > > about 600 km from Hyderabad in Jan 1960. > > > > > > ASH: RAHU MD IS ON FROM 1947 THRU 1965. RAHU IS IN KARAK > STHAN > > FOR 6TH HOUSE. RA IS SD TO VE AND JU. JU IS KARAK FOR 5TH. > DURING > > THIS MD THE FLAVOUR WILL BE THAT OF 6TH AND THE HOUSE THAT JU AND > VE > > ARE KARAKS FOR. > > > IT WAS DURING THIS MD, YOU GOT YOUR DEGREE AND THEN U GOT YOUR > > FIRST JOB IN VE ANTRA. VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 > POINTS > > FOR 10TH HOUSE, 10 POINTS FOR 11TH HOUSE. > > > > > > > > > I resigned the job in Nov 1960 and joined Defence Research & > > Development Organisation, > > > > > > ASH: START OF JOB IN VENUS ANTRA WITH 12 POINTS AND LESS POWER > > FOR 11TH AND 10TH HOUSE. YOU ALSO RESIGNED AND JOINED ANOTHER > JOB. > > HERE VE HAS 12 POINTS FOR 6TH HOUSE AND 12 FOR 10TH HOUSE AND 11 > > POINTS FOR 11TH AND -2 FOR 7TH. > > > > > > Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Delhi on 5 Dec 1960 > as > > Junior Research fellow under training programme. In Delhi, I was > > there from Dec 1960 to April 1961 attending the orientation and > > training programme and visiting Defence forward areas in Kashmir > > etc. > > > > > > ASH : STILL TILL APRIL 1961 YOU WERE IN VENUS ANTRA. > > > > > > I was transferred to Armament R & D Establishment ( ARDE) Pune > in > > April 1961 and then selected as Gazetted officer Scientist " B " on > 12 > > June 1962 ( Rahu MD-Sun AD). > > > > > > ASH : THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE SUN ANTRA STARTED YOU CAN SEE THE > > POWER. FROM THE WS. IT HAS GOT 18 POINTS IN 6TH AND ITS LOE. > THE > > POWER OF SUN IS ALSO 14 IN 10TH HOUSE BUT EXPENSES ARE EQUAL TO > > INCOME HERE. SUN IS ALSO SD TO MARS WHO IS LOD FOR 10TH HOUSE. > SO > > HERE YOU GOT GOOD STATUS AND SAY A PROMOTION TOO. SUN IS ALSO SD > TO > > GURU WHO IS LOE FOR 10TH. SO HERE SUN GETS HELP TOO.. AGAIN THE > MD > > IS RAHU SO YOUR MIND WILL BE AROUND JOB AND AUTHORITY. > > > > > > I worked in Gun Recoil Systems in ARDE. In June 1963 I was > > transferred to efence R & D Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad and > again > > sent to training in Guided Missiles to Institute of Armament > > Studies, Pune in Oct 1963 for about one year. After return I was > > promoted as Scientist " C " in November 1965 (Jupiter MD- > > > Jupiter AD), as Scientist " D " > > > > > > ASH: NOW IN 1965/MAY THE MAHADASHA CHANGED AND SO THE KARAKTWA > > RELATED TO RAHU (VE AND JU AND 6TH) WILL DIMINISH AND KARAKTWA FOR > > GURU WILL START. HERE GURU IS IN 5TH HOUSE WITH 7 BINDUS SO HERE > > GURU WILL ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KARAK FOR 10TH HOUSE. GURU > > IS ALSO KARAK FOR 8TH HOUSE (RESEARCH, ASTROLOGY) AND 11TH HOUSE. > > GURU IS ALSO KARAK FOR 2ND AND 5TH HOUSE. SO ALL THE ANTRAS IN > GURU > > WILL HAVE A TOUCH OF THAT MEANS FLAVOUR OF THAT. NOW AS SOON AS > > GURU AD STARTED AND GURU BEING LOE FOR 10TH, ITS KARAK FOR 10TH, > SD > > TO LOE TO 6TH HOUSE SUN, LOE TO VENUS WHO IS LORD OF SELF AND LOD > > FOR 11TH AND KARAK FOR PERSONALITY AND ALSO LOE FOR INITIATIVES. > SO > > U MUST HAVE GOT GOOD STATUS AND PROMOTION. > > > > > > in June 1972 (Jupiter MD Ketu AD) and as Scientist " E " > > > > > > ASH: GURU MD AND KETU ANTRA. KETU IS IN HOUSE D FOR 10TH AS > B. > > AGAIN KETU IN HOUSE DO FOR 10TH AS B WILL BE EAGER TO GIVE U > > PROMOTION. THE MD IS GURU SO AGAIN GOOD STATUS. SO FOR TIMING OF > > EVENT I AM NOT USING MD. HERE ITS SHOWING THE INFLUENCE GOING ON. > > > > > > in April 1982 (Saturn MD- Saturn AD)(. I took voluntary > > retirement on 1 September 1990 (Saturn MD- Venus AD) to pursue my > > hobbies of Astrology and Philosophy. > > > > > > ASH: SHANI IS LORD OF 4TH AND 5TH SO ITS KARAK FOR 9TH AND > 10TH > > MATTERS. SHANI IS NK FOR 4TH AND 3RD TOO. HERE YOUR MIND IS > PARTLY > > AROUND AUTHORITY BUT ALSO NOW ITS CHANGED TOWARDS 9TH MATTERS SO > > SPIRITUAL PERSUITS AND U CAME IN CONTACT WITH GURUS'S AND > TEACHERS, > > SPIRITUAL PERSUITS. AGAIN SHANI IS KARAK FOR 4TH HOUSE SO THINGS > > RELATED TO REAL HAPPINESS AND THAT ALSO COMES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE > AND > > ALSO THAT OF HARD WORK AND INITIATIVES. SHANI IS ALSO IN 6TH > HOUSE > > WITH 5 BINDUS SO HERE IT WILL ALSO ACT OR GIVE KARKATWA FOR 11TH > > HOUSE AND FULLFILLMENT OF DESIRES AND ALSO THAT OF INCOME AND > > FINANCES. > > > > > > Since then I wrote two books on Astrology of my research, > along > > with my wife traveled many countries on invitation to attend > > astrology conferences and pleasure trips and visited many Ashram & > > Gurus. Presently also just I am continuing my hobby of astrology > but > > with less vigor and more towards meditation. Presently I am > running > > Mercury MD and Venus AD till August 2006.I do not know how to > > analyze my profession as per KAS further. > > > > > > > > > ASH: I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE. IN SA MD, SA WILL HAVE KARAKTWA > > FOR 3RD, 4TH, 10TH, 9TH AND 11TH HOUSE. > > > > > > Please take your time and reply. > > > > > > Once again I appreciate your efforts to explain the points. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > > > > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then > > 5th > > > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > > > > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for > > 10th > > > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > > > > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > > > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > > > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making > sure > > > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > > > > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of > event > > > are we using Karak ? > > > > > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > > > event. > > > > > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion > > then > > > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > > > > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th > house. > > > > > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > > > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > > > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > > > > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. > (assume > > > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > > > > > So that answers the timing of event. > > > > > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > > > operations. > > > > > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department > head > > > > > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > > > > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > > > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or > even > > > Reason. > > > > > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a > person > > > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd > > holder > > > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree > and > > > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > > > > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > > > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 > has > > > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > > > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > > > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > > > promotion and became a supervisor. > > > > > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are > going > > by > > > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > > > event. > > > > > > This is very important concept. > > > > > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > > > strong or weak. > > > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > > > dominates over NK. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > > > on KAS. > > > > > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > > > if that caused confusion. > > > > > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > > > that. > > > > > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > > > karaktwa? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Pemmaraju, > > > > > > Good. So we are clear that when we are studying 10th house then > > 5th > > > house becomes Karak stahan and 5th lord and Sun hold karaktwa. > > > > > > You are also correct to indicate that Sun is natural karak for > > 10th > > > as B and 5th lord is functional karak. > > > > > > Yes, one thing is not in line. What Krushnaji has meant is that > > > Functional Karak is one step ahead of Natural Karak and not > > > dominates but I think you meant the same thing so just making > sure > > > that we are all in synch in our understanding. > > > > > > Now Ramesh and Pemmaraju, when we are dealing with timing of > event > > > are we using Karak ? > > > > > > Now we take the next step and we deal with question on timing of > > > event. > > > > > > If someone is asking a question like when will I get promotion > > then > > > you will study 10th house i.e. B for timing of event and not A. > > > > > > If you receive 3 charts, with the following powers for 10th > house. > > > > > > Chart 1 -> Planet 1 = 13 > > > Chart 2 -> Planet 2 = 20 > > > Chart 3 -> Planet 3 = 30 > > > > > > Then in all 3 cases it will show that there is promotion. > (assume > > > that its utopia planatia and all other things being constant). > > > > > > So that answers the timing of event. > > > > > > Next is that in Chart 1 the promotion was to say Manager - World > > > operations. > > > > > > Chart 2 the promotion was to say level of Manager - Department > head > > > > > > Chart 3 the promotion was to Supervisor of a small garage. > > > > > > This difference in Level is what Karaktwa controls. We are not > > > using it to time events per say but it is showing Quality or > even > > > Reason. > > > > > > In some agencies there are some job criteria i.e. say for a > person > > > to become manager of say world wide operation he must be a Phd > > holder > > > To become Department Manager he must have a Bachelorate degree > and > > > for being a supervisor he must have a diploma. > > > > > > So here 5th house and its quality means it shows the Level of > > > Authority (10th house). so in our hypothetical example Chart 1 > has > > > only 13 points in 10th house but he during that time Rose to the > > > level of Manager of world wide operations as compared to Chart 3 > > > that has in comparision 30 points in 10th house and he also got > > > promotion and became a supervisor. > > > > > > So its clear that for timing of event i.e. Promotion we are > going > > by > > > power in House B. House A directly has no saying on timing of > > > event. > > > > > > This is very important concept. > > > > > > Next mail I will write on Mahadasha and Antra. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > > > Karkattwa is hindi version of significations.Every > > > > planet has its own quality but this quality of planets > > > > depend upon the house rulership, its occupation in a > > > > rasi and aspects to rasi. It is clear from KAS > > > > principle that 8th house is karaka from any house so > > > > we take the rulership of the planet which rules the > > > > 8th house from any house.As it is said that in > > > > Kaalpurush starting from Aries asc.4th house is karaka > > > > for 9th house.As a natural rulership Moon rules the > > > > 4th house so Moon is the karaka for 9th house of > > > > father, similarly Mars is the karaka for individuality > > > > i.e.1st house. Natural karak for 10th house is Sun.Now > > > > the quality or nature of the Sun is to give the > > > > position,status,kingdom etc etc as per his nature.This > > > > nature is called karkattwa of Sun .Since (as per > > > > KAS)10TH house is in consideration we have to see the > > > > karaka of 10th house related matter.But FK come to the > > > > picture so we have to consider the karaka planets of > > > > 10th house or any other houses in consideration.Now we > > > > have to observe the placements of karka planets and > > > > his strength according to the SAV points whether it is > > > > strong or weak. > > > > Am I correct or needs correction. My concept may be > > > > wrong also.I have tried my best not to mix up with VA. > > > > One more thing as Krushna ji has told that FK > > > > dominates over NK. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > --- Ash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > Leave this example, I shall not comment on the same. > > > > We can take up charts once the fundamentals are clear > > > > on KAS. > > > > > > > > What I am talking about is basics and what I meant > > > > by taking an example was not based on a chart for now. > > > > My question was on the very basics i.e House. Sorry > > > > if that caused confusion. > > > > > > > > So let me give the example. Let us study 10th house > > > > of a chart. It means 10th house is B. > > > > > > > > Ramesh, you are correct in saying that Mahadasha > > > > swamy shows the karaktwa but what is the meaning of > > > > that. > > > > > > > > What does karaktwa show? What is the essence of > > > > karaktwa? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > Dear Ash,Thanks for asking questions related to KAS. > > > > Through discussion we may certainly build up our > > > > knowledge of KAS. I shall try to answer your questions > > > > according to my own concept as much as I understood > > > > till now. You have already mentioned in earlier mails > > > > that , > > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > > > Event WILL happen > > > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > > According to my understandings MD lord has its own > > > > karkattwa and relationship with AD lord. The period of > > > > MD lord is for longer duration so he has to show its > > > > own karkattwa with respect to its relationship with AD > > > > lord and its houses. > > > > Let us take a chart for discussion. The chart is > > > > already before the forum. But I am putting it again > > > > for the reference of members.DOB-20 Oct 1954, TOB-00 > > > > :16 hrs and POB 28 N 47, 77 E 29. His father expired > > > > on 08 Feb 2006 during Sun MD and antara of Ketu. > > > > I try to explain my concept of MD lord. I may be wrong > > > > also so pls do not confuse. > > > > Here in this chart Asc 12 Cn 53 is rising . His ninth > > > > house is being considered as house B as lagna of his > > > > father. 8th house from any house is the karaka of the > > > > focussed house. Therefore 4th is 8th from 9th., house > > > > of longevity for the father. For the longevity of > > > > father we have to focus 4th house as B. > > > > 4th house is karaka for 9th house. 4th lord is Venus , > > > > karaka for 9th house. 4th house occupant is Sun, Me > > > > and Sa. Out of these four karakas viz. Sun, Me, Ve and > > > > Sa, the strongest planets is Me with 16 points for 4th > > > > house. > > > > MD lord is Sun, occupies house A for father's > > > > longevity.NK for father is Moon and it is in 10th > > > > place from Su, Me and Sa. There is 4/10 relationship > > > > also . > > > > Therefore MD lord Sun is involved with the event. > > > > So mahadasaswamy Sun represents its karkattwa of this > > > > event. Am I clear or missing some useful points ? > > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Pemmaraju, Ramesh and List Members > > > > > > > > From this mail its clear that your concept of MD and > > > > AD is not in line with KAS. > > > > > > > > It is given in some lesson or in some discussion in > > > > the archives that > > > > > > > > 1) If MD is not in Favour and AD is in favour then > > > > Event WILL happen > > > > 2) If MD is in favour and AD is not in favour then > > > > event WILL NOT happen. > > > > > > > > Instead of going into too much detail here let me ask > > > > you a question. > > > > > > > > Please tell me what is your understanding of > > > > Mahadasha. > > > > > > > > Can you explain your understanding preferably using an > > > > example. > > > > > > > > Once we are clear with this concept as per KAS then go > > > > in deeper. > > > > > > > > We can have this as a group discussion so all can > > > > benefit from the same. > > > > > > > > Lets focus on the very very basic. > > > > > > > > Let me start here by saying that Mahadasha swamy > > > > represents the Karaktwa for an event. > > > > > > > > Now please can u explain to me your undertanding and > > > > concept in relation to KAS. Once that is clear only we > > > > can proceed to next level. > > > > > > > > Awating you reply. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " > > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > MPL & SPL Results of Houses from WS points > > > > > > > > I understand that the combination of Main Period Lord > > > > (MPL) and Sub Period Lord (SPL) results can be judged > > > > from the Work Sheet (WS) points for different houses > > > > as follows, since all the 9 planets as SPL repeat in > > > > each MPL. I may be totally wrong. Please correct and > > > > give your Rules for our easy following. > > > > > > > > 1) If the MPL and SPL have got > or = 12 points for > > > > any house, the results of that house may happen > > > > beneficially. > > > > > > > > 2) If the MPL > or = to 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, > > > > the results of that may not happen and if happens the > > > > results may be with come problems. > > > > > > > > 3) If the MPL < 12 and SPL > or = 12 for any house, > > > > the results of that those may still happen > > > > beneficially to some extent. > > > > > > > > 4) If the MPL, 12 and SPL < 12 for any house, the > > > > results of that house may not happen. > > > > > > > > 5) If the 6th lord aspects MPL and /or SPL of any > > > > house or together, there may be problems in the > > > > results of that house. If the 6th lord is more > > > > powerful > 12, there may be more problems. > > > > > > > > 6) The MPL/ SPL may generally give the benefic/ > > > > malefic results of houses for which they are FK/ NK/ > > > > LoD/LoE/ in D/ in E or their SDs depending on points > > > > in WS >12 or < 12, more for MPL as FK/ NK and for SPL > > > > as LoD/ LoE. They would be more eager to give results > > > > of houses if LoD/ LoE/ in D/ in E. > > > > > > > > 7) If MPL/ SPL is lord of 12th (L12) of any house, > > > > there may be problems in the results of that house. If > > > > L12 is powerful >12, there may be more problems. > > > > > > > > 8) For different MPLs and SPLs for any house, the > > > > results of that house may happen in the more powerful > > > > or next two powerful combinations of MPL and SPL. > > > > > > > > 9) If any event of a particular house is linked with > > > > any other house, the MPL and the SPL are to be judged > > > > in those linked houses also. > > > > > > > > 10) Results of the houses for different combination of > > > > MPL and SPL are to be taken judiciously, cautiously > > > > and intelligently depending on the age/ background/ > > > > circumstances/ country etc of the individual. > > > > > > > > Please reply at your convenience. > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > > > > > > > > > > > " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > > > > PEMMARAJU V.R. 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