Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th house but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. But in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be around during that phase in life. Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It is Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in life. Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or health related. So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now when mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of such things or say touch. So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he may make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra again he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for 11th house. For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal more with matters of career. I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, 2nd or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD too. Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing of event. Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might face some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might face more worries w.r.t. accident. If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be studied.. But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour of problems u can identify from MD. You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death in antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of 11th lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD to Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD or loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. I hope its clear now. One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed to make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of Queen given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or 2 minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to find out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is very time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will see a trend. Yes for that u should have faith in the system. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Dear Ash, Namaskar, I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of result. As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of Mars. Mars himself is a planet of fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related or health related. " Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or designation). I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th house but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. But in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be around during that phase in life. Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It is Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in life. Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or health related. So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now when mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of such things or say touch. So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he may make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra again he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for 11th house. For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal more with matters of career. I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, 2nd or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD too. Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing of event. Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might face some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might face more worries w.r.t. accident. If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be studied.. But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour of problems u can identify from MD. You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death in antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of 11th lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD to Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD or loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. I hope its clear now. One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed to make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of Queen given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or 2 minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to find out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is very time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will see a trend. Yes for that u should have faith in the system. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Dear Ramesh Mishra, Sorry to interupt conversation bettween you and Ash > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not > used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the > word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a > planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house > rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points > receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong > otherwise weak. This points in Worksheet are important, but not for MD. > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house > he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS > UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE > COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT > THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . Mars will give karakatwa of the 3rd house. In Ash's example, Mars is lord of 10th and 5th (for Cancer lagna). So, think of 10th and 5th houses as houses A. As per KAS, A controls B....so, you easily come to conclusion that B houses are Aries and Virgo. Aries is 10th house (B for Sc) and Virgo is 3rd house (B for Ar). Similar example is when you asked below how Mars could be karaka for the 6th house in natural zodiac. Simple. Think of Aries and Scorpio as houses A, and you may see that Virgo and Aries are in control (B houses), so naturaly, 6th and 1st house of zodiac. For an easier understanding, see chart below (if you see this with Outlook or similar program): +--------------+ | | | | | | Ve | Ma | Ju | Sa | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | | | | | Sa | | Me | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------| | | | | | | | | | Su | | Ju | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | | | | | | | | | Mo | Me | Ve | Ma | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ From this, you can take any house and see karakatwa. One may also remember this, as it is easy.. For example, if one takes Aquarius lagna, and one's MD is Venus, it is obvious that Ve is yogakaraka, but also, it is karakatwa for the 2nd and 9th house (because 2nd and 9th control 5th and 10th). Regarding other points made by you, I would add that MD could be long period and many things might happen. Actually, any MD is long. One may get a job, marry, travel, have an accident, discover something etc etc. It could be a thick book of life experience. So, let stay with Mars and Cancer lagna, as per example of Ash. Not any person with Cancer lagna and MD of Mars will have success and fulfilment of desires, just because Mars is yogakaraka. However, generaly Mars MD will be connected with 1,3,6,10 houses as natural and functional karakatwa. So, please read in lessons all things related to these houses. Then, from Worksheet see if certain house has some potential or not. I think that words of Ash... > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > studied.. > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour > of problems u can identify from MD. ....are very important here. all the best, Dadhi - ramesh mishra Monday, February 20, 2006 9:13 AM Re: Mahadashsa Dear Ash, Namaskar, I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of result. As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of Mars. Mars himself is a planet of fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related or health related. " Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or designation). I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th house but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. But in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be around during that phase in life. Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It is Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in life. Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or health related. So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now when mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of such things or say touch. So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he may make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra again he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for 11th house. For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal more with matters of career. I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, 2nd or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD too. Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing of event. Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might face some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might face more worries w.r.t. accident. If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be studied.. But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour of problems u can identify from MD. You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death in antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of 11th lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD to Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD or loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. I hope its clear now. One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed to make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of Queen given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or 2 minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to find out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is very time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will see a trend. Yes for that u should have faith in the system. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Thanks Dadhi, the concept of MD is clear to me now. Same concept will be applied on the chart and practice its utility.Thanks once again. Ramesh Mishra Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote: Dear Ramesh Mishra, Sorry to interupt conversation bettween you and Ash > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not > used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the > word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a > planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house > rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points > receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong > otherwise weak. This points in Worksheet are important, but not for MD. > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house > he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS > UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE > COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT > THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . Mars will give karakatwa of the 3rd house. In Ash's example, Mars is lord of 10th and 5th (for Cancer lagna). So, think of 10th and 5th houses as houses A. As per KAS, A controls B....so, you easily come to conclusion that B houses are Aries and Virgo. Aries is 10th house (B for Sc) and Virgo is 3rd house (B for Ar). Similar example is when you asked below how Mars could be karaka for the 6th house in natural zodiac. Simple. Think of Aries and Scorpio as houses A, and you may see that Virgo and Aries are in control (B houses), so naturaly, 6th and 1st house of zodiac. For an easier understanding, see chart below (if you see this with Outlook or similar program): +--------------+ | | | | | | Ve | Ma | Ju | Sa | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | | | | | Sa | | Me | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------| | | | | | | | | | Su | | Ju | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | | | | | | | | | Mo | Me | Ve | Ma | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ From this, you can take any house and see karakatwa. One may also remember this, as it is easy.. For example, if one takes Aquarius lagna, and one's MD is Venus, it is obvious that Ve is yogakaraka, but also, it is karakatwa for the 2nd and 9th house (because 2nd and 9th control 5th and 10th). Regarding other points made by you, I would add that MD could be long period and many things might happen. Actually, any MD is long. One may get a job, marry, travel, have an accident, discover something etc etc. It could be a thick book of life experience. So, let stay with Mars and Cancer lagna, as per example of Ash. Not any person with Cancer lagna and MD of Mars will have success and fulfilment of desires, just because Mars is yogakaraka. However, generaly Mars MD will be connected with 1,3,6,10 houses as natural and functional karakatwa. So, please read in lessons all things related to these houses. Then, from Worksheet see if certain house has some potential or not. I think that words of Ash... > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > studied.. > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour > of problems u can identify from MD. ....are very important here. all the best, Dadhi - ramesh mishra Monday, February 20, 2006 9:13 AM Re: Mahadashsa Dear Ash, Namaskar, I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of result. As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of Mars. Mars himself is a planet of fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related or health related. " Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or designation). I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th house but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. But in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be around during that phase in life. Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It is Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in life. Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or health related. So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now when mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of such things or say touch. So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he may make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra again he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for 11th house. For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal more with matters of career. I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, 2nd or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD too. Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing of event. Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might face some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might face more worries w.r.t. accident. If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be studied.. But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour of problems u can identify from MD. You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death in antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of 11th lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD to Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD or loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. I hope its clear now. One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed to make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of Queen given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or 2 minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to find out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is very time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will see a trend. Yes for that u should have faith in the system. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Adding to your topic , let me see what flavor i am going thru my Mahadasha. Experts can u guess. J.L ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Thanks Dadhi, the concept of MD is clear to me now. Same concept will be applied on the chart and practice its utility.Thanks once again. Ramesh Mishra Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote: Dear Ramesh Mishra, Sorry to interupt conversation bettween you and Ash > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not > used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the > word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a > planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house > rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points > receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong > otherwise weak. This points in Worksheet are important, but not for MD. > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house > he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS > UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE > COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT > THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . Mars will give karakatwa of the 3rd house. In Ash's example, Mars is lord of 10th and 5th (for Cancer lagna). So, think of 10th and 5th houses as houses A. As per KAS, A controls B....so, you easily come to conclusion that B houses are Aries and Virgo. Aries is 10th house (B for Sc) and Virgo is 3rd house (B for Ar). Similar example is when you asked below how Mars could be karaka for the 6th house in natural zodiac. Simple. Think of Aries and Scorpio as houses A, and you may see that Virgo and Aries are in control (B houses), so naturaly, 6th and 1st house of zodiac. For an easier understanding, see chart below (if you see this with Outlook or similar program): +--------------+ | | | | | | Ve | Ma | Ju | Sa | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | | | | | Sa | | Me | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------| | | | | | | | | | Su | | Ju | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | | | | | | | | | Mo | Me | Ve | Ma | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ From this, you can take any house and see karakatwa. One may also remember this, as it is easy.. For example, if one takes Aquarius lagna, and one's MD is Venus, it is obvious that Ve is yogakaraka, but also, it is karakatwa for the 2nd and 9th house (because 2nd and 9th control 5th and 10th). Regarding other points made by you, I would add that MD could be long period and many things might happen. Actually, any MD is long. One may get a job, marry, travel, have an accident, discover something etc etc. It could be a thick book of life experience. So, let stay with Mars and Cancer lagna, as per example of Ash. Not any person with Cancer lagna and MD of Mars will have success and fulfilment of desires, just because Mars is yogakaraka. However, generaly Mars MD will be connected with 1,3,6,10 houses as natural and functional karakatwa. So, please read in lessons all things related to these houses. Then, from Worksheet see if certain house has some potential or not. I think that words of Ash... > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > studied.. > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour > of problems u can identify from MD. ....are very important here. all the best, Dadhi - ramesh mishra Monday, February 20, 2006 9:13 AM Re: Mahadashsa Dear Ash, Namaskar, I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of result. As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of Mars. Mars himself is a planet of fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related or health related. " Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or designation). I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th house but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. But in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be around during that phase in life. Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It is Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in life. Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or health related. So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now when mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of such things or say touch. So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he may make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra again he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for 11th house. For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal more with matters of career. I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, 2nd or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD too. Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing of event. Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might face some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might face more worries w.r.t. accident. If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be studied.. But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour of problems u can identify from MD. You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death in antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of 11th lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD to Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD or loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. I hope its clear now. One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed to make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of Queen given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or 2 minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to find out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is very time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will see a trend. Yes for that u should have faith in the system. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 What is your data JL? all the best, Dadhi - Jyotish Learner Monday, February 20, 2006 12:12 PM Re: Mahadashsa Adding to your topic , let me see what flavor i am going thru my Mahadasha. Experts can u guess. J.L ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Thanks Dadhi, the concept of MD is clear to me now. Same concept will be applied on the chart and practice its utility.Thanks once again. Ramesh Mishra Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote: Dear Ramesh Mishra, Sorry to interupt conversation bettween you and Ash > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not > used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the > word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a > planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house > rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points > receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong > otherwise weak. This points in Worksheet are important, but not for MD. > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house > he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS > UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE > COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT > THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . Mars will give karakatwa of the 3rd house. In Ash's example, Mars is lord of 10th and 5th (for Cancer lagna). So, think of 10th and 5th houses as houses A. As per KAS, A controls B....so, you easily come to conclusion that B houses are Aries and Virgo. Aries is 10th house (B for Sc) and Virgo is 3rd house (B for Ar). Similar example is when you asked below how Mars could be karaka for the 6th house in natural zodiac. Simple. Think of Aries and Scorpio as houses A, and you may see that Virgo and Aries are in control (B houses), so naturaly, 6th and 1st house of zodiac. For an easier understanding, see chart below (if you see this with Outlook or similar program): +--------------+ | | | | | | Ve | Ma | Ju | Sa | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | | | | | Sa | | Me | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------| | | | | | | | | | Su | | Ju | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | | | | | | | | | Mo | Me | Ve | Ma | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ From this, you can take any house and see karakatwa. One may also remember this, as it is easy.. For example, if one takes Aquarius lagna, and one's MD is Venus, it is obvious that Ve is yogakaraka, but also, it is karakatwa for the 2nd and 9th house (because 2nd and 9th control 5th and 10th). Regarding other points made by you, I would add that MD could be long period and many things might happen. Actually, any MD is long. One may get a job, marry, travel, have an accident, discover something etc etc. It could be a thick book of life experience. So, let stay with Mars and Cancer lagna, as per example of Ash. Not any person with Cancer lagna and MD of Mars will have success and fulfilment of desires, just because Mars is yogakaraka. However, generaly Mars MD will be connected with 1,3,6,10 houses as natural and functional karakatwa. So, please read in lessons all things related to these houses. Then, from Worksheet see if certain house has some potential or not. I think that words of Ash... > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > studied.. > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour > of problems u can identify from MD. ...are very important here. all the best, Dadhi - ramesh mishra Monday, February 20, 2006 9:13 AM Re: Mahadashsa Dear Ash, Namaskar, I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of result. As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of Mars. Mars himself is a planet of fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related or health related. " Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or designation). I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th house but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. But in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be around during that phase in life. Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It is Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in life. Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or health related. So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now when mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of such things or say touch. So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he may make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra again he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for 11th house. For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal more with matters of career. I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, 2nd or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD too. Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing of event. Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might face some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might face more worries w.r.t. accident. If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be studied.. But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour of problems u can identify from MD. You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death in antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of 11th lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD to Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD or loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. I hope its clear now. One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed to make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of Queen given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or 2 minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to find out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is very time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will see a trend. Yes for that u should have faith in the system. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Dear Dadhi, Thank you very much. You have given a brilliant explanation and clarifications. And please you are not interrupting infact I appreciate it ... always feel free to step in .. you have a very good undrestanding of KAS. Cheers !!! Ash , " Dadhi " <denis.dumancic wrote: > > > Dear Ramesh Mishra, > > > Sorry to interupt conversation bettween you and Ash > > > > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not > > used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the > > word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a > > planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house > > rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points > > receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong > > otherwise weak. > > > This points in Worksheet are important, but not for MD. > > > > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house > > he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, > > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS > > UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE > > COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT > > THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . > > > Mars will give karakatwa of the 3rd house. In Ash's example, Mars is lord of 10th and 5th (for Cancer lagna). So, think of 10th and 5th houses as houses A. > > As per KAS, A controls B....so, you easily come to conclusion that B houses are Aries and Virgo. Aries is 10th house (B for Sc) and Virgo is 3rd house (B for Ar). > > Similar example is when you asked below how Mars could be karaka for the 6th house in natural zodiac. Simple. Think of Aries and Scorpio as houses A, and you may see that Virgo and Aries are in control (B houses), so naturaly, 6th and 1st house of zodiac. For an easier understanding, see chart below (if you see this with Outlook or similar program): > > > > +--------------+ > > | | | | | > > | Ve | Ma | Ju | Sa | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > | | | | > > | | | Sa | > > | Me | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | Su | | Ju | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | Mo | Me | Ve | Ma | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > +--------------+ > > > > From this, you can take any house and see karakatwa. One may also remember this, as it is easy.. For example, if one takes Aquarius lagna, and one's MD is Venus, it is obvious that Ve is yogakaraka, but also, it is karakatwa for the 2nd and 9th house (because 2nd and 9th control 5th and 10th). > > Regarding other points made by you, I would add that MD could be long period and many things might happen. Actually, any MD is long. One may get a job, marry, travel, have an accident, discover something etc etc. It could be a thick book of life experience. > > So, let stay with Mars and Cancer lagna, as per example of Ash. Not any person with Cancer lagna and MD of Mars will have success and fulfilment of desires, just because Mars is yogakaraka. However, generaly Mars MD will be connected with 1,3,6,10 houses as natural and functional karakatwa. So, please read in lessons all things related to these houses. Then, from Worksheet see if certain house has some potential or not. I think that words of Ash... > > > > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power > > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense > > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > > studied.. > > > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour > > of problems u can identify from MD. > > > ...are very important here. > > all the best, > Dadhi > > > - > ramesh mishra > > Monday, February 20, 2006 9:13 AM > Re: Mahadashsa > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of result. > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . > Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of Mars. > Mars himself is a planet of fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related or health related. " > Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or designation). > I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, > > Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the > points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th house > but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in > some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. But > in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. > > So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. > > Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be around > during that phase in life. > > Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It is > Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. > > Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have > karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have > thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in life. > Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding > karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or > health related. > > So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now when > mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of such > things or say touch. > > So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person > might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might > take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its > LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he may > make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra again > he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will > encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for > 11th house. > > For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of > MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal more > with matters of career. > > I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, 2nd > or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD > too. > > Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing of > event. > > Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might face > some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for > accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE > who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might face > more worries w.r.t. accident. > > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > studied.. > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour > of problems u can identify from MD. > > You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many > reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal > injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for > whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be > linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for > timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and > LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death in > antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of 11th > lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is > linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD to > Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means > here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. > But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD or > loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. > > I hope its clear now. > > One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say > take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed to > make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not > always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. > > Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of Queen > given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or 2 > minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to find > out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is very > time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will > see a trend. > > Yes for that u should have faith in the system. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Dear Ramesh, One thing I wanted to add to what Dhadi has already said. Mars rules natural 1st and 8th houses means Aries and Scorpio in Kalpurush chart. Don't you say as per VA that if one has a strong mars then if he falls sick he can recover quickly and that a person with a strong mars has good personality. How are these things judged? Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others karaktwas too . Guru is putrakarak why is it said or Why is it Griha karak or karak for family? Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? Why is Mercury karak for income and death? Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? Why is Sun karak for authority? Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and knowledge? Say if Guru is spoilt totally then even if points are high for 5th house there might not be a child birth? hmm.. yes I have another analogy for this. If you are using Windows XP OS then just double click on Volome control. You can see 2 dials there one called MASTER VOLUME and the other called WAVE. So based on your master Volume (Karak), the wave settings (House B) can show volume. Higher is the status of the Master Volume (karak) so will be the force of the output via Wave. So even say if your WAVE setting is set to MAX but if MASTER VOLUME dial is set to 0 then there will be either no / very faint volume. If the dial of MASTER VOLUME IS SET TO MAX and at the same time the WAVE setting is set to VERY LOW say at level 1 or 2, still it might sound more than if the Master Volume were to be set at minimum and Wave setting (House B) at Max. Now if someone queries and askes u, can you her the song. Then it does not matter what level the MASTER VOLUME DIAL (KARAK) is set, if the WAVE Dial (House B) is high then you can say that one can hear the song. How loud it is is different (status of Karak of say the better or higher is the setting of MASTER VOLUME (Karak), more will be the output or say level of rise in sound (House B). But if u are asked, can u hear the song , you can time it using WAVE DIAL output and it does not matter what is the setting of Karak or MASTER VOLUME. I hope its clear. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of result. > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . > Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of Mars. > Mars himself is a planet of fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related or health related. " > Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or designation). > I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, > > Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the > points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th house > but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in > some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. But > in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. > > So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. > > Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be around > during that phase in life. > > Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It is > Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. > > Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have > karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have > thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in life. > Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding > karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or > health related. > > So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now when > mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of such > things or say touch. > > So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person > might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might > take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its > LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he may > make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra again > he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will > encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for > 11th house. > > For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of > MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal more > with matters of career. > > I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, 2nd > or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD > too. > > Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing of > event. > > Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might face > some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for > accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE > who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might face > more worries w.r.t. accident. > > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > studied.. > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour > of problems u can identify from MD. > > You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many > reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal > injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for > whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be > linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for > timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and > LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death in > antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of 11th > lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is > linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD to > Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means > here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. > But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD or > loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. > > I hope its clear now. > > One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say > take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed to > make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not > always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. > > Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of Queen > given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or 2 > minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to find > out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is very > time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will > see a trend. > > Yes for that u should have faith in the system. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Dear Ash, Namaskar, Here is the answers of your questions.Though these are in the lessons and I have read it. I am illustrating you in my own language for me and for others too. If a chart of natural zodiac is taken, we find the following reasons- Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others karaktwas too . Because Ve is karaka for 12 house of Guru and Guru is karaka for second house of Venus. Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? Because Venus is karaka for 7th house of wife.When we consider 2nd house as House A then seventh house is B for second house and lordship of second house goes to Venus.House 12th is for bed pleasure and its karaka is also Ve therefore Venus is karaka for wife and pleasures Why is Mercury karak for income and death? Me rules house 3 and 6 in the kallpurush chart.For house 8 of death it is karaka and for house of income (11th house) also it is karaka. Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? Ninth house is for father, guru and luck.8th from 9th house is 4th house and lord of 4th is Moon.Therefore we can say that Moon is the karaka for father,guru and luck. Why is Sun karak for authority? House A for Sun is 5th house which is 8th from 10th and 10th house is for authority.Therefore Sun gives the karakatwa for 10th house of authority. Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and knowledge? In a natural zodiac Shani rules 10th and 11th house.House 3rd and 5th is the house of effort and brilliance and knowledge respectively.10th house is 8th from 3rd house of effort and 5th house of knowledge and brilliancy is 8th from 10th.That is why Shani gives the karakatwa of hard work and brilliance and knoledge. In a nutshell we can summarise that each planet gives the following karakattwas- Sun - Authority Moon- Father,Guru and Luck Mars- Fighting Spirit Mercury-Income and death Jupiter-Chidren, Knowledge and Prosperity Venus - Wife, Marriage and Pleasure Saturn- Efforts, Job ,Brilliancy and Knowledge , Hard work With the above we may understand that these are the karakttwa of planets ..These karakattwas are according to natural zodiacal sign and of permanent nature.This is the reason they are called natural karakas. Let us not deviate from the topics of basics of karakattwas and mahadasa.Apart from NK the karakattwas of planet may differ from Asc. to Asc Take for example Taurus lagna second house is ruled by Mercury, therefore Me becomes the karaka for wife as functional karaka and also it shall be karaka for authority. Similarly other planets also. It means ruling planet of house A is karak of house B and the planet ruling the house A will attain the karakattwas of house B .. Next comes to the planet occupying the house A. What happens to the planets/planet occupies house A ? In this case those planet/planets also become the karka of house B. Is my concept clear so far or I am deviating myself from the right path ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra. ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, One thing I wanted to add to what Dhadi has already said. Mars rules natural 1st and 8th houses means Aries and Scorpio in Kalpurush chart. Don't you say as per VA that if one has a strong mars then if he falls sick he can recover quickly and that a person with a strong mars has good personality. How are these things judged? Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others karaktwas too . Guru is putrakarak why is it said or Why is it Griha karak or karak for family? Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? Why is Mercury karak for income and death? Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? Why is Sun karak for authority? Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and knowledge? Say if Guru is spoilt totally then even if points are high for 5th house there might not be a child birth? hmm.. yes I have another analogy for this. If you are using Windows XP OS then just double click on Volome control. You can see 2 dials there one called MASTER VOLUME and the other called WAVE. So based on your master Volume (Karak), the wave settings (House B) can show volume. Higher is the status of the Master Volume (karak) so will be the force of the output via Wave. So even say if your WAVE setting is set to MAX but if MASTER VOLUME dial is set to 0 then there will be either no / very faint volume. If the dial of MASTER VOLUME IS SET TO MAX and at the same time the WAVE setting is set to VERY LOW say at level 1 or 2, still it might sound more than if the Master Volume were to be set at minimum and Wave setting (House B) at Max. Now if someone queries and askes u, can you her the song. Then it does not matter what level the MASTER VOLUME DIAL (KARAK) is set, if the WAVE Dial (House B) is high then you can say that one can hear the song. How loud it is is different (status of Karak of say the better or higher is the setting of MASTER VOLUME (Karak), more will be the output or say level of rise in sound (House B). But if u are asked, can u hear the song , you can time it using WAVE DIAL output and it does not matter what is the setting of Karak or MASTER VOLUME. I hope its clear. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of result. > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You said, > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . > Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of Mars. > Mars himself is a planet of fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related or health related. " > Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or designation). > I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, > > Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the > points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th house > but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in > some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. But > in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. > > So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. > > Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be around > during that phase in life. > > Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It is > Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. > > Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have > karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have > thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in life. > Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its holding > karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or > health related. > > So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now when > mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of such > things or say touch. > > So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person > might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might > take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its > LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he may > make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra again > he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will > encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for > 11th house. > > For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of > MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal more > with matters of career. > > I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, 2nd > or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD > too. > > Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing of > event. > > Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might face > some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for > accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE > who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might face > more worries w.r.t. accident. > > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low power > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to intense > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > studied.. > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So flavour > of problems u can identify from MD. > > You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many > reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal > injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for > whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be > linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for > timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and > LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death in > antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of 11th > lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is > linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD to > Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means > here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. > But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD or > loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. > > I hope its clear now. > > One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say > take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed to > make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not > always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. > > Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of Queen > given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or 2 > minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to find > out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is very > time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will > see a trend. > > Yes for that u should have faith in the system. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dear Ramesh, Mostly you are correct. 4th house is that of knowledge and not 5th house. 5th house is the dhan sthan of knowledge. From 5th we check degree or u can say utilization of knowledge. So for brilliance Shani i.e. Karak for 4th house is Aquarius and its lord is Shani. If you also notice we check the status of Lagna, Sun and Moon in navamsa, dreshkon and trishansa for finding the brilliancy. For degree or say utilization of knowledge, Guru is important as Guru is karak for 5th house. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Here is the answers of your questions.Though these are in the lessons and I have read it. I am illustrating you in my own language for me and for others too. > If a chart of natural zodiac is taken, we find the following reasons- > Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others karaktwas too . > Because Ve is karaka for 12 house of Guru and Guru is karaka for second house of Venus. > > Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? > > Because Venus is karaka for 7th house of wife.When we consider 2nd house as House A then seventh house is B for second house and lordship of second house goes to Venus.House 12th is for bed pleasure and its karaka is also Ve therefore Venus is karaka for wife and pleasures > Why is Mercury karak for income and death? > > Me rules house 3 and 6 in the kallpurush chart.For house 8 of death it is karaka and for house of income (11th house) also it is karaka. > Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? > Ninth house is for father, guru and luck.8th from 9th house is 4th house and lord of 4th is Moon.Therefore we can say that Moon is the karaka for father,guru and luck. > Why is Sun karak for authority? > House A for Sun is 5th house which is 8th from 10th and 10th house is for authority.Therefore Sun gives the karakatwa for 10th house of authority. > Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and knowledge? > In a natural zodiac Shani rules 10th and 11th house.House 3rd and 5th is the house of effort and brilliance and knowledge respectively.10th house is 8th from 3rd house of effort and 5th house of knowledge and brilliancy is 8th from 10th.That is why Shani gives the karakatwa of hard work and brilliance and knoledge. > In a nutshell we can summarise that each planet gives the following karakattwas- > Sun - Authority > Moon- Father,Guru and Luck > Mars- Fighting Spirit > Mercury-Income and death > Jupiter-Chidren, Knowledge and Prosperity > Venus - Wife, Marriage and Pleasure > Saturn- Efforts, Job ,Brilliancy and Knowledge , Hard work > With the above we may understand that these are the karakttwa of planets .These karakattwas are according to natural zodiacal sign and of permanent nature.This is the reason they are called natural karakas. > Let us not deviate from the topics of basics of karakattwas and mahadasa.Apart from NK the karakattwas of planet may differ from Asc. to Asc Take for example Taurus lagna second house is ruled by Mercury, therefore Me becomes the karaka for wife as functional karaka and also it shall be karaka for authority. Similarly other planets also. It means ruling planet of house A is karak of house B and the planet ruling the house A will attain the karakattwas of house B . > Next comes to the planet occupying the house A. What happens to the planets/planet occupies house A ? In this case those planet/planets also become the karka of house B. > Is my concept clear so far or I am deviating myself from the right path ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra. > > > ashsam73 ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > One thing I wanted to add to what Dhadi has already said. > > Mars rules natural 1st and 8th houses means Aries and Scorpio in > Kalpurush chart. > > Don't you say as per VA that if one has a strong mars then if he > falls sick he can recover quickly and that a person with a strong > mars has good personality. > > How are these things judged? > > Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others > karaktwas too . > > Guru is putrakarak why is it said or Why is it Griha karak or karak > for family? > > Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? > > Why is Mercury karak for income and death? > > Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? > > Why is Sun karak for authority? > > Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and > knowledge? > > Say if Guru is spoilt totally then even if points are high for 5th > house there might not be a child birth? > > hmm.. yes I have another analogy for this. > > If you are using Windows XP OS then just double click on Volome > control. > > You can see 2 dials there one called MASTER VOLUME and the other > called WAVE. > > So based on your master Volume (Karak), the wave settings (House B) > can show volume. > > Higher is the status of the Master Volume (karak) so will be the > force of the output via Wave. > > So even say if your WAVE setting is set to MAX but if MASTER VOLUME > dial is set to 0 then there will be either no / very faint volume. > > If the dial of MASTER VOLUME IS SET TO MAX and at the same time the > WAVE setting is set to VERY LOW say at level 1 or 2, still it might > sound more than if the Master Volume were to be set at minimum and > Wave setting (House B) at Max. > > > Now if someone queries and askes u, can you her the song. Then it > does not matter what level the MASTER VOLUME DIAL (KARAK) is set, if > the WAVE Dial (House B) is high then you can say that one can hear > the song. How loud it is is different (status of Karak of say the > better or higher is the setting of MASTER VOLUME (Karak), more will > be the output or say level of rise in sound (House B). > > But if u are asked, can u hear the song , you can time it using WAVE > DIAL output and it does not matter what is the setting of Karak or > MASTER VOLUME. > > > I hope its clear. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , ramesh mishra > aarceemastro2002@ wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD > is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We > are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means > the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary > depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may > say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it > gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated > body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa > of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the > house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of > result. > > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 > th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You > said, > > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH > HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA > OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA > FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . > > Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house > is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet > who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve > his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of > Mars. > > Mars himself is a planet of > fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider > this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are > the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the > quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the > power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house > B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its > holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related > or health related. " > > Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. > Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is > karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the > lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th > house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or > designation). > > I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example > chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of > Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other > karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 ashsam73@ wrote: > > Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, > > > > Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the > > points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th > house > > but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in > > some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. > But > > in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. > > > > So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. > > > > Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be > around > > during that phase in life. > > > > Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It > is > > Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. > > > > Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have > > karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have > > thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in > life. > > Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its > holding > > karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or > > health related. > > > > So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now > when > > mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of > such > > things or say touch. > > > > So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person > > might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might > > take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its > > LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he > may > > make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra > again > > he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will > > encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for > > 11th house. > > > > For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of > > MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal > more > > with matters of career. > > > > I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, > 2nd > > or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD > > too. > > > > Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing > of > > event. > > > > Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might > face > > some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for > > accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE > > who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might > face > > more worries w.r.t. accident. > > > > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low > power > > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to > intense > > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > > studied.. > > > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So > flavour > > of problems u can identify from MD. > > > > You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many > > reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal > > injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for > > whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be > > linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for > > timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and > > LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death > in > > antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of > 11th > > lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is > > linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD > to > > Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means > > here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. > > But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD > or > > loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. > > > > I hope its clear now. > > > > One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say > > take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed > to > > make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not > > always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. > > > > Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of > Queen > > given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or > 2 > > minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to > find > > out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is > very > > time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will > > see a trend. > > > > Yes for that u should have faith in the system. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dear Ash, Thanks for correcting me. This is the reason I narrated this according to my own understandings. I was considering fifth house for brilliancy.Hope you will continue same step by step whenever you find yourself convenient. Some of the points remained without your comment.This was written in last para in connection with the planet/planets occupying the houses.and so on. Hope you will cover during your forthcoming postings. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Mostly you are correct. 4th house is that of knowledge and not 5th house. 5th house is the dhan sthan of knowledge. From 5th we check degree or u can say utilization of knowledge. So for brilliance Shani i.e. Karak for 4th house is Aquarius and its lord is Shani. If you also notice we check the status of Lagna, Sun and Moon in navamsa, dreshkon and trishansa for finding the brilliancy. For degree or say utilization of knowledge, Guru is important as Guru is karak for 5th house. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Here is the answers of your questions.Though these are in the lessons and I have read it. I am illustrating you in my own language for me and for others too. > If a chart of natural zodiac is taken, we find the following reasons- > Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others karaktwas too . > Because Ve is karaka for 12 house of Guru and Guru is karaka for second house of Venus. > > Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? > > Because Venus is karaka for 7th house of wife.When we consider 2nd house as House A then seventh house is B for second house and lordship of second house goes to Venus.House 12th is for bed pleasure and its karaka is also Ve therefore Venus is karaka for wife and pleasures > Why is Mercury karak for income and death? > > Me rules house 3 and 6 in the kallpurush chart.For house 8 of death it is karaka and for house of income (11th house) also it is karaka. > Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? > Ninth house is for father, guru and luck.8th from 9th house is 4th house and lord of 4th is Moon.Therefore we can say that Moon is the karaka for father,guru and luck. > Why is Sun karak for authority? > House A for Sun is 5th house which is 8th from 10th and 10th house is for authority.Therefore Sun gives the karakatwa for 10th house of authority. > Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and knowledge? > In a natural zodiac Shani rules 10th and 11th house.House 3rd and 5th is the house of effort and brilliance and knowledge respectively.10th house is 8th from 3rd house of effort and 5th house of knowledge and brilliancy is 8th from 10th.That is why Shani gives the karakatwa of hard work and brilliance and knoledge. > In a nutshell we can summarise that each planet gives the following karakattwas- > Sun - Authority > Moon- Father,Guru and Luck > Mars- Fighting Spirit > Mercury-Income and death > Jupiter-Chidren, Knowledge and Prosperity > Venus - Wife, Marriage and Pleasure > Saturn- Efforts, Job ,Brilliancy and Knowledge , Hard work > With the above we may understand that these are the karakttwa of planets .These karakattwas are according to natural zodiacal sign and of permanent nature.This is the reason they are called natural karakas. > Let us not deviate from the topics of basics of karakattwas and mahadasa.Apart from NK the karakattwas of planet may differ from Asc. to Asc Take for example Taurus lagna second house is ruled by Mercury, therefore Me becomes the karaka for wife as functional karaka and also it shall be karaka for authority. Similarly other planets also. It means ruling planet of house A is karak of house B and the planet ruling the house A will attain the karakattwas of house B . > Next comes to the planet occupying the house A. What happens to the planets/planet occupies house A ? In this case those planet/planets also become the karka of house B. > Is my concept clear so far or I am deviating myself from the right path ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra. > > > ashsam73 ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > One thing I wanted to add to what Dhadi has already said. > > Mars rules natural 1st and 8th houses means Aries and Scorpio in > Kalpurush chart. > > Don't you say as per VA that if one has a strong mars then if he > falls sick he can recover quickly and that a person with a strong > mars has good personality. > > How are these things judged? > > Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others > karaktwas too . > > Guru is putrakarak why is it said or Why is it Griha karak or karak > for family? > > Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? > > Why is Mercury karak for income and death? > > Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? > > Why is Sun karak for authority? > > Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and > knowledge? > > Say if Guru is spoilt totally then even if points are high for 5th > house there might not be a child birth? > > hmm.. yes I have another analogy for this. > > If you are using Windows XP OS then just double click on Volome > control. > > You can see 2 dials there one called MASTER VOLUME and the other > called WAVE. > > So based on your master Volume (Karak), the wave settings (House B) > can show volume. > > Higher is the status of the Master Volume (karak) so will be the > force of the output via Wave. > > So even say if your WAVE setting is set to MAX but if MASTER VOLUME > dial is set to 0 then there will be either no / very faint volume. > > If the dial of MASTER VOLUME IS SET TO MAX and at the same time the > WAVE setting is set to VERY LOW say at level 1 or 2, still it might > sound more than if the Master Volume were to be set at minimum and > Wave setting (House B) at Max. > > > Now if someone queries and askes u, can you her the song. Then it > does not matter what level the MASTER VOLUME DIAL (KARAK) is set, if > the WAVE Dial (House B) is high then you can say that one can hear > the song. How loud it is is different (status of Karak of say the > better or higher is the setting of MASTER VOLUME (Karak), more will > be the output or say level of rise in sound (House B). > > But if u are asked, can u hear the song , you can time it using WAVE > DIAL output and it does not matter what is the setting of Karak or > MASTER VOLUME. > > > I hope its clear. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , ramesh mishra > aarceemastro2002@ wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD > is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We > are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means > the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary > depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may > say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it > gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated > body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa > of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the > house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of > result. > > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 > th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You > said, > > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH > HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA > OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA > FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . > > Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house > is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet > who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve > his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of > Mars. > > Mars himself is a planet of > fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider > this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are > the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the > quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the > power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house > B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its > holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related > or health related. " > > Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. > Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is > karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the > lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th > house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or > designation). > > I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example > chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of > Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other > karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 ashsam73@ wrote: > > Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, > > > > Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the > > points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th > house > > but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in > > some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. > But > > in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. > > > > So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. > > > > Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be > around > > during that phase in life. > > > > Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It > is > > Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. > > > > Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have > > karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have > > thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in > life. > > Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its > holding > > karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or > > health related. > > > > So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now > when > > mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of > such > > things or say touch. > > > > So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person > > might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might > > take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its > > LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he > may > > make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra > again > > he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will > > encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for > > 11th house. > > > > For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of > > MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal > more > > with matters of career. > > > > I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, > 2nd > > or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD > > too. > > > > Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing > of > > event. > > > > Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might > face > > some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for > > accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE > > who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might > face > > more worries w.r.t. accident. > > > > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low > power > > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to > intense > > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > > studied.. > > > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So > flavour > > of problems u can identify from MD. > > > > You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many > > reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal > > injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for > > whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be > > linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for > > timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and > > LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death > in > > antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of > 11th > > lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is > > linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD > to > > Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means > > here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. > > But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD > or > > loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. > > > > I hope its clear now. > > > > One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say > > take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed > to > > make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not > > always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. > > > > Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of > Queen > > given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or > 2 > > minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to > find > > out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is > very > > time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will > > see a trend. > > > > Yes for that u should have faith in the system. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dear Ramesh, Please also be congascant of the fact that I have a full time job and a family too apart from helping many people using KAS and teaching it too ... and unfortuately there are only 24 hours in the day so I can only do so much. So the expectation of me reading posts one by one and correcting each thing might not be possible. Or you can say that I am not superman lol.... All these things if u take some pains are covered in the archives and also in the lessons so please make an effort to read such things. Our Raghunath Nemani has done wonderful work for the list by compiling the messages that are uploaded into file section that you can download and put it on your computer and can read them at your leasure. If you do your homework properly, it will help me, as only quesiton that are not covered will be asked. Otherwise you may have to leave things for proper time. I am trying my best to answer each query for all to understand this system and its application. Cheers !!! Ash ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash, Thanks for correcting me. This is the reason I narrated this according to my own understandings. I was considering fifth house for brilliancy.Hope you will continue same step by step whenever you find yourself convenient. Some of the points remained without your comment.This was written in last para in connection with the planet/planets occupying the houses.and so on. Hope you will cover during your forthcoming postings. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Mostly you are correct. 4th house is that of knowledge and not 5th house. 5th house is the dhan sthan of knowledge. From 5th we check degree or u can say utilization of knowledge. So for brilliance Shani i.e. Karak for 4th house is Aquarius and its lord is Shani. If you also notice we check the status of Lagna, Sun and Moon in navamsa, dreshkon and trishansa for finding the brilliancy. For degree or say utilization of knowledge, Guru is important as Guru is karak for 5th house. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Here is the answers of your questions.Though these are in the lessons and I have read it. I am illustrating you in my own language for me and for others too. > If a chart of natural zodiac is taken, we find the following reasons- > Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others karaktwas too . > Because Ve is karaka for 12 house of Guru and Guru is karaka for second house of Venus. > > Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? > > Because Venus is karaka for 7th house of wife.When we consider 2nd house as House A then seventh house is B for second house and lordship of second house goes to Venus.House 12th is for bed pleasure and its karaka is also Ve therefore Venus is karaka for wife and pleasures > Why is Mercury karak for income and death? > > Me rules house 3 and 6 in the kallpurush chart.For house 8 of death it is karaka and for house of income (11th house) also it is karaka. > Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? > Ninth house is for father, guru and luck.8th from 9th house is 4th house and lord of 4th is Moon.Therefore we can say that Moon is the karaka for father,guru and luck. > Why is Sun karak for authority? > House A for Sun is 5th house which is 8th from 10th and 10th house is for authority.Therefore Sun gives the karakatwa for 10th house of authority. > Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and knowledge? > In a natural zodiac Shani rules 10th and 11th house.House 3rd and 5th is the house of effort and brilliance and knowledge respectively.10th house is 8th from 3rd house of effort and 5th house of knowledge and brilliancy is 8th from 10th.That is why Shani gives the karakatwa of hard work and brilliance and knoledge. > In a nutshell we can summarise that each planet gives the following karakattwas- > Sun - Authority > Moon- Father,Guru and Luck > Mars- Fighting Spirit > Mercury-Income and death > Jupiter-Chidren, Knowledge and Prosperity > Venus - Wife, Marriage and Pleasure > Saturn- Efforts, Job ,Brilliancy and Knowledge , Hard work > With the above we may understand that these are the karakttwa of planets .These karakattwas are according to natural zodiacal sign and of permanent nature.This is the reason they are called natural karakas. > Let us not deviate from the topics of basics of karakattwas and mahadasa.Apart from NK the karakattwas of planet may differ from Asc. to Asc Take for example Taurus lagna second house is ruled by Mercury, therefore Me becomes the karaka for wife as functional karaka and also it shall be karaka for authority. Similarly other planets also. It means ruling planet of house A is karak of house B and the planet ruling the house A will attain the karakattwas of house B . > Next comes to the planet occupying the house A. What happens to the planets/planet occupies house A ? In this case those planet/planets also become the karka of house B. > Is my concept clear so far or I am deviating myself from the right path ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra. > > > ashsam73 ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > One thing I wanted to add to what Dhadi has already said. > > Mars rules natural 1st and 8th houses means Aries and Scorpio in > Kalpurush chart. > > Don't you say as per VA that if one has a strong mars then if he > falls sick he can recover quickly and that a person with a strong > mars has good personality. > > How are these things judged? > > Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others > karaktwas too . > > Guru is putrakarak why is it said or Why is it Griha karak or karak > for family? > > Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? > > Why is Mercury karak for income and death? > > Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? > > Why is Sun karak for authority? > > Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and > knowledge? > > Say if Guru is spoilt totally then even if points are high for 5th > house there might not be a child birth? > > hmm.. yes I have another analogy for this. > > If you are using Windows XP OS then just double click on Volome > control. > > You can see 2 dials there one called MASTER VOLUME and the other > called WAVE. > > So based on your master Volume (Karak), the wave settings (House B) > can show volume. > > Higher is the status of the Master Volume (karak) so will be the > force of the output via Wave. > > So even say if your WAVE setting is set to MAX but if MASTER VOLUME > dial is set to 0 then there will be either no / very faint volume. > > If the dial of MASTER VOLUME IS SET TO MAX and at the same time the > WAVE setting is set to VERY LOW say at level 1 or 2, still it might > sound more than if the Master Volume were to be set at minimum and > Wave setting (House B) at Max. > > > Now if someone queries and askes u, can you her the song. Then it > does not matter what level the MASTER VOLUME DIAL (KARAK) is set, if > the WAVE Dial (House B) is high then you can say that one can hear > the song. How loud it is is different (status of Karak of say the > better or higher is the setting of MASTER VOLUME (Karak), more will > be the output or say level of rise in sound (House B). > > But if u are asked, can u hear the song , you can time it using WAVE > DIAL output and it does not matter what is the setting of Karak or > MASTER VOLUME. > > > I hope its clear. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , ramesh mishra > aarceemastro2002@ wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD > is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We > are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means > the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary > depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may > say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it > gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated > body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa > of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the > house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of > result. > > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 > th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You > said, > > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH > HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA > OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA > FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . > > Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house > is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet > who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve > his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of > Mars. > > Mars himself is a planet of > fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider > this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are > the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the > quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the > power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house > B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its > holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related > or health related. " > > Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. > Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is > karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the > lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th > house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or > designation). > > I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example > chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of > Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other > karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 ashsam73@ wrote: > > Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, > > > > Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the > > points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th > house > > but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in > > some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. > But > > in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. > > > > So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. > > > > Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be > around > > during that phase in life. > > > > Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It > is > > Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. > > > > Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have > > karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have > > thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in > life. > > Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its > holding > > karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or > > health related. > > > > So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now > when > > mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of > such > > things or say touch. > > > > So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person > > might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might > > take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its > > LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he > may > > make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra > again > > he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will > > encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for > > 11th house. > > > > For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of > > MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal > more > > with matters of career. > > > > I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, > 2nd > > or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD > > too. > > > > Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing > of > > event. > > > > Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might > face > > some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for > > accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE > > who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might > face > > more worries w.r.t. accident. > > > > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low > power > > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to > intense > > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > > studied.. > > > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So > flavour > > of problems u can identify from MD. > > > > You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many > > reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal > > injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for > > whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be > > linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for > > timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and > > LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death > in > > antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of > 11th > > lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is > > linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD > to > > Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means > > here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. > > But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD > or > > loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. > > > > I hope its clear now. > > > > One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say > > take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed > to > > make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not > > always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. > > > > Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of > Queen > > given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or > 2 > > minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to > find > > out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is > very > > time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will > > see a trend. > > > > Yes for that u should have faith in the system. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Dear Ash, Namaskar, I understand your problem. I do not want to put the pressure. Just do not hurry. You may take your own time. I am also a full time employee and I have to attend my family problem also so I too do not get much time to attend the internet. You might have observed here that after how many hours I replied your mail. Of course I have read the lessons and going through the archives also . I started reading archives from # 1 when it was put sometime in 2000 year. I am enjoying the conversation among Krushna ji, Sach, Margarita, Peter, Donna,Sanjay and others.I have found the readings of Krushna ji very knowlegaeable and interesting.Problem in the archives is that I do not find the attachments there .. It has been removed from there. I find it easy way learning while discussion. My doubts can be clarified very soon. You are not only a superman but super super man . I have already accepted you as my Guru, whether you accept me a disciple ? Since the discussion on karakattwa has begun, do not leave us astray.We are not in hurry.whenever you are free and decide to sit on your PC,you may posts your experiences on the topic. Thanks and best wishes. In your words,Cheers. Ramesh Mishra Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Please also be congascant of the fact that I have a full time job and a family too apart from helping many people using KAS and teaching it too ... and unfortuately there are only 24 hours in the day so I can only do so much. So the expectation of me reading posts one by one and correcting each thing might not be possible. Or you can say that I am not superman lol.... All these things if u take some pains are covered in the archives and also in the lessons so please make an effort to read such things. Our Raghunath Nemani has done wonderful work for the list by compiling the messages that are uploaded into file section that you can download and put it on your computer and can read them at your leasure. If you do your homework properly, it will help me, as only quesiton that are not covered will be asked. Otherwise you may have to leave things for proper time. I am trying my best to answer each query for all to understand this system and its application. Cheers !!! Ash ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash, Thanks for correcting me. This is the reason I narrated this according to my own understandings. I was considering fifth house for brilliancy.Hope you will continue same step by step whenever you find yourself convenient. Some of the points remained without your comment.This was written in last para in connection with the planet/planets occupying the houses.and so on. Hope you will cover during your forthcoming postings. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Mostly you are correct. 4th house is that of knowledge and not 5th house. 5th house is the dhan sthan of knowledge. From 5th we check degree or u can say utilization of knowledge. So for brilliance Shani i.e. Karak for 4th house is Aquarius and its lord is Shani. If you also notice we check the status of Lagna, Sun and Moon in navamsa, dreshkon and trishansa for finding the brilliancy. For degree or say utilization of knowledge, Guru is important as Guru is karak for 5th house. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > Here is the answers of your questions.Though these are in the lessons and I have read it. I am illustrating you in my own language for me and for others too. > If a chart of natural zodiac is taken, we find the following reasons- > Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others karaktwas too . > Because Ve is karaka for 12 house of Guru and Guru is karaka for second house of Venus. > > Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? > > Because Venus is karaka for 7th house of wife.When we consider 2nd house as House A then seventh house is B for second house and lordship of second house goes to Venus.House 12th is for bed pleasure and its karaka is also Ve therefore Venus is karaka for wife and pleasures > Why is Mercury karak for income and death? > > Me rules house 3 and 6 in the kallpurush chart.For house 8 of death it is karaka and for house of income (11th house) also it is karaka. > Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? > Ninth house is for father, guru and luck.8th from 9th house is 4th house and lord of 4th is Moon.Therefore we can say that Moon is the karaka for father,guru and luck. > Why is Sun karak for authority? > House A for Sun is 5th house which is 8th from 10th and 10th house is for authority.Therefore Sun gives the karakatwa for 10th house of authority. > Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and knowledge? > In a natural zodiac Shani rules 10th and 11th house.House 3rd and 5th is the house of effort and brilliance and knowledge respectively.10th house is 8th from 3rd house of effort and 5th house of knowledge and brilliancy is 8th from 10th.That is why Shani gives the karakatwa of hard work and brilliance and knoledge. > In a nutshell we can summarise that each planet gives the following karakattwas- > Sun - Authority > Moon- Father,Guru and Luck > Mars- Fighting Spirit > Mercury-Income and death > Jupiter-Chidren, Knowledge and Prosperity > Venus - Wife, Marriage and Pleasure > Saturn- Efforts, Job ,Brilliancy and Knowledge , Hard work > With the above we may understand that these are the karakttwa of planets .These karakattwas are according to natural zodiacal sign and of permanent nature.This is the reason they are called natural karakas. > Let us not deviate from the topics of basics of karakattwas and mahadasa.Apart from NK the karakattwas of planet may differ from Asc. to Asc Take for example Taurus lagna second house is ruled by Mercury, therefore Me becomes the karaka for wife as functional karaka and also it shall be karaka for authority. Similarly other planets also. It means ruling planet of house A is karak of house B and the planet ruling the house A will attain the karakattwas of house B . > Next comes to the planet occupying the house A. What happens to the planets/planet occupies house A ? In this case those planet/planets also become the karka of house B. > Is my concept clear so far or I am deviating myself from the right path ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra. > > > ashsam73 ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > One thing I wanted to add to what Dhadi has already said. > > Mars rules natural 1st and 8th houses means Aries and Scorpio in > Kalpurush chart. > > Don't you say as per VA that if one has a strong mars then if he > falls sick he can recover quickly and that a person with a strong > mars has good personality. > > How are these things judged? > > Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others > karaktwas too . > > Guru is putrakarak why is it said or Why is it Griha karak or karak > for family? > > Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? > > Why is Mercury karak for income and death? > > Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? > > Why is Sun karak for authority? > > Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and > knowledge? > > Say if Guru is spoilt totally then even if points are high for 5th > house there might not be a child birth? > > hmm.. yes I have another analogy for this. > > If you are using Windows XP OS then just double click on Volome > control. > > You can see 2 dials there one called MASTER VOLUME and the other > called WAVE. > > So based on your master Volume (Karak), the wave settings (House B) > can show volume. > > Higher is the status of the Master Volume (karak) so will be the > force of the output via Wave. > > So even say if your WAVE setting is set to MAX but if MASTER VOLUME > dial is set to 0 then there will be either no / very faint volume. > > If the dial of MASTER VOLUME IS SET TO MAX and at the same time the > WAVE setting is set to VERY LOW say at level 1 or 2, still it might > sound more than if the Master Volume were to be set at minimum and > Wave setting (House B) at Max. > > > Now if someone queries and askes u, can you her the song. Then it > does not matter what level the MASTER VOLUME DIAL (KARAK) is set, if > the WAVE Dial (House B) is high then you can say that one can hear > the song. How loud it is is different (status of Karak of say the > better or higher is the setting of MASTER VOLUME (Karak), more will > be the output or say level of rise in sound (House B). > > But if u are asked, can u hear the song , you can time it using WAVE > DIAL output and it does not matter what is the setting of Karak or > MASTER VOLUME. > > > I hope its clear. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , ramesh mishra > aarceemastro2002@ wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD > is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We > are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means > the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary > depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may > say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it > gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated > body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa > of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the > house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of > result. > > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 > th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You > said, > > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH > HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA > OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA > FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . > > Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house > is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet > who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve > his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of > Mars. > > Mars himself is a planet of > fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider > this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are > the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the > quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the > power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house > B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its > holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related > or health related. " > > Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. > Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is > karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the > lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th > house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or > designation). > > I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example > chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of > Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other > karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 ashsam73@ wrote: > > Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, > > > > Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the > > points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th > house > > but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in > > some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. > But > > in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. > > > > So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. > > > > Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be > around > > during that phase in life. > > > > Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It > is > > Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. > > > > Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have > > karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have > > thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in > life. > > Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its > holding > > karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or > > health related. > > > > So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now > when > > mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of > such > > things or say touch. > > > > So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person > > might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might > > take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its > > LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he > may > > make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra > again > > he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will > > encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for > > 11th house. > > > > For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of > > MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal > more > > with matters of career. > > > > I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, > 2nd > > or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD > > too. > > > > Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing > of > > event. > > > > Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might > face > > some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for > > accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE > > who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might > face > > more worries w.r.t. accident. > > > > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low > power > > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to > intense > > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > > studied.. > > > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So > flavour > > of problems u can identify from MD. > > > > You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many > > reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal > > injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for > > whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be > > linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for > > timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and > > LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death > in > > antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of > 11th > > lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is > > linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD > to > > Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means > > here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. > > But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD > or > > loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. > > > > I hope its clear now. > > > > One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say > > take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed > to > > make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not > > always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. > > > > Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of > Queen > > given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or > 2 > > minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to > find > > out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is > very > > time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will > > see a trend. > > > > Yes for that u should have faith in the system. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Dear Ramesh, There were very few attachments. Some of the attachments were converted into lessons. Yes, in respect to Later Peterji, he had asked Krushnaji to time his marriage blindly and Krushnaji, not only timed his marriage but say 8 to 10 major events from passing his degrees, getting certifications, job promotion, careers, about not having children but fostering children and retirement. That post yes is gone. I hope some list member has that attachment stored somewhere and if so can email the same to Donna or Myself and we can upload the same into the file section. So, please don't be under the assumption that a lot of work was in word documents which were attachments. If you continue to read the posts later such things will definitely have been covered. had changed their policy and rightly so, to delete all the attachmets as otherwise all the lists would become storage places for Virus. With the recent outbreak of worms and viruses as you all would have noticed across many lists, I had to take the measure to even stop distributing attachments so that no viruses if planted knowingly or unknowingly by innocent victims of these malecious worms and virus will be sent to others. Cheers !!! Ash , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > I understand your problem. I do not want to put the pressure. Just do not hurry. You may take your own time. I am also a full time employee and I have to attend my family problem also so I too do not get much time to attend the internet. You might have observed here that after how many hours I replied your mail. > Of course I have read the lessons and going through the archives also . I started reading archives from # 1 when it was put sometime in 2000 year. I am enjoying the conversation among Krushna ji, Sach, Margarita, Peter, Donna,Sanjay and others.I have found the readings of Krushna ji very knowlegaeable and interesting.Problem in the archives is that I do not find the attachments there . It has been removed from there. > I find it easy way learning while discussion. My doubts can be clarified very soon. > You are not only a superman but super super man . I have already accepted you as my Guru, whether you accept me a disciple ? > Since the discussion on karakattwa has begun, do not leave us astray.We are not in hurry.whenever you are free and decide to sit on your PC,you may posts your experiences on the topic. > Thanks and best wishes. In your words,Cheers. > Ramesh Mishra > > Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > Please also be congascant of the fact that I have a full time job and a family too apart from helping many people using KAS and teaching it too ... and unfortuately there are only 24 hours in the day so I can only do so much. So the expectation of me reading posts one by one and correcting each thing might not be possible. Or you can say that I am not superman lol.... All these things if u take some pains are covered in the archives and also in the lessons so please make an effort to read such things. Our Raghunath Nemani has done wonderful work for the list by compiling the messages that are uploaded into file section that you can download and put it on your computer and can read them at your leasure. > > If you do your homework properly, it will help me, as only quesiton that are not covered will be asked. > > Otherwise you may have to leave things for proper time. > I am trying my best to answer each query for all to understand this system and its application. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Ash, Thanks for correcting me. This is the reason I narrated this according to my own understandings. I was considering fifth house for brilliancy.Hope you will continue same step by step whenever you find yourself convenient. > Some of the points remained without your comment.This was written in last para in connection with the planet/planets occupying the houses.and so on. > Hope you will cover during your forthcoming postings. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > Mostly you are correct. 4th house is that of knowledge and not 5th > house. 5th house is the dhan sthan of knowledge. From 5th we check > degree or u can say utilization of knowledge. > > So for brilliance Shani i.e. Karak for 4th house is Aquarius and its > lord is Shani. > > If you also notice we check the status of Lagna, Sun and Moon in > navamsa, dreshkon and trishansa for finding the brilliancy. > > For degree or say utilization of knowledge, Guru is important as Guru is > karak for 5th house. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , ramesh mishra > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > Here is the answers of your questions.Though these are in the lessons > and I have read it. I am illustrating you in my own language for me and > for others too. > > If a chart of natural zodiac is taken, we find the following reasons- > > Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others karaktwas > too . > > Because Ve is karaka for 12 house of Guru and Guru is karaka for > second house of Venus. > > > > Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? > > > > Because Venus is karaka for 7th house of wife.When we consider 2nd > house as House A then seventh house is B for second house and lordship > of second house goes to Venus.House 12th is for bed pleasure and its > karaka is also Ve therefore Venus is karaka for wife and pleasures > > Why is Mercury karak for income and death? > > > > Me rules house 3 and 6 in the kallpurush chart.For house 8 of death it > is karaka and for house of income (11th house) also it is karaka. > > Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? > > Ninth house is for father, guru and luck.8th from 9th house is 4th > house and lord of 4th is Moon.Therefore we can say that Moon is the > karaka for father,guru and luck. > > Why is Sun karak for authority? > > House A for Sun is 5th house which is 8th from 10th and 10th house is > for authority.Therefore Sun gives the karakatwa for 10th house of > authority. > > Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and > knowledge? > > In a natural zodiac Shani rules 10th and 11th house.House 3rd and 5th > is the house of effort and brilliance and knowledge respectively.10th > house is 8th from 3rd house of effort and 5th house of knowledge and > brilliancy is 8th from 10th.That is why Shani gives the karakatwa of > hard work and brilliance and knoledge. > > In a nutshell we can summarise that each planet gives the following > karakattwas- > > Sun - Authority > > Moon- Father,Guru and Luck > > Mars- Fighting Spirit > > Mercury-Income and death > > Jupiter-Chidren, Knowledge and Prosperity > > Venus - Wife, Marriage and Pleasure > > Saturn- Efforts, Job ,Brilliancy and Knowledge , Hard work > > With the above we may understand that these are the karakttwa of > planets .These karakattwas are according to natural zodiacal sign and of > permanent nature.This is the reason they are called natural karakas. > > Let us not deviate from the topics of basics of karakattwas and > mahadasa.Apart from NK the karakattwas of planet may differ from Asc. to > Asc Take for example Taurus lagna second house is ruled by Mercury, > therefore Me becomes the karaka for wife as functional karaka and also > it shall be karaka for authority. Similarly other planets also. It means > ruling planet of house A is karak of house B and the planet ruling the > house A will attain the karakattwas of house B . > > Next comes to the planet occupying the house A. What happens to the > planets/planet occupies house A ? In this case those planet/planets also > become the karka of house B. > > Is my concept clear so far or I am deviating myself from the right > path ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra. > > > > > > ashsam73 ashsam73@ wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > One thing I wanted to add to what Dhadi has already said. > > > > Mars rules natural 1st and 8th houses means Aries and Scorpio in > > Kalpurush chart. > > > > Don't you say as per VA that if one has a strong mars then if he > > falls sick he can recover quickly and that a person with a strong > > mars has good personality. > > > > How are these things judged? > > > > Also if u study keenly that Guru and Venus hold each others > > karaktwas too . > > > > Guru is putrakarak why is it said or Why is it Griha karak or karak > > for family? > > > > Why is Venus karak for pleasures and wife? > > > > Why is Mercury karak for income and death? > > > > Why is Moon karak for father, guru and luck? > > > > Why is Sun karak for authority? > > > > Why is Shani karak for hard work (effort) and brilliance and > > knowledge? > > > > Say if Guru is spoilt totally then even if points are high for 5th > > house there might not be a child birth? > > > > hmm.. yes I have another analogy for this. > > > > If you are using Windows XP OS then just double click on Volome > > control. > > > > You can see 2 dials there one called MASTER VOLUME and the other > > called WAVE. > > > > So based on your master Volume (Karak), the wave settings (House B) > > can show volume. > > > > Higher is the status of the Master Volume (karak) so will be the > > force of the output via Wave. > > > > So even say if your WAVE setting is set to MAX but if MASTER VOLUME > > dial is set to 0 then there will be either no / very faint volume. > > > > If the dial of MASTER VOLUME IS SET TO MAX and at the same time the > > WAVE setting is set to VERY LOW say at level 1 or 2, still it might > > sound more than if the Master Volume were to be set at minimum and > > Wave setting (House B) at Max. > > > > > > Now if someone queries and askes u, can you her the song. Then it > > does not matter what level the MASTER VOLUME DIAL (KARAK) is set, if > > the WAVE Dial (House B) is high then you can say that one can hear > > the song. How loud it is is different (status of Karak of say the > > better or higher is the setting of MASTER VOLUME (Karak), more will > > be the output or say level of rise in sound (House B). > > > > But if u are asked, can u hear the song , you can time it using WAVE > > DIAL output and it does not matter what is the setting of Karak or > > MASTER VOLUME. > > > > > > I hope its clear. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > aarceemastro2002@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar, > > > I could not absorb your expressions in case of MD.I do agree MD > > is not used for timing of event but it has to show its karaktwa. We > > are using the word karaktwa. What is karaktwa first ? Karaktwa means > > the nature of a planet. Am I right? The nature of planet may vary > > depending upon the house rulership and its placement.In KAS we may > > say it depend upon the points receiving in SAV for each house. If it > > gets >12 points it is strong otherwise weak. Planet is an animated > > body whereas houses or rasis are unanimated.So when we say karaktwa > > of a planet means the quality/nature of that planet w.r.t to the > > house relationship and house placement, it gives the quantum of > > result. > > > As you gave the example of Mars quoting the Cancer asc. For 10 > > th house he is karak as well as LoB because he is yogkaraka. You > > said, > > > " In MD of Mars the person might have karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. " > > > HOW MARS WILL GIVE KARKATWA OF THIRD HOUSE.KARKATWA OF 10TH > > HOUSE IS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF B(10TH).BUT THE KARAKTWA > > OF THIRD HOUSE COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.IS IT BECAUSE MARS IS KARAKA > > FOR THIRD HOUSE ? BUT THIRD HOUSE IS KARAKA FOR 8TH HOUSE . > > > Of course if we relate the matter of 10th house then 3rd house > > is a house of effort, communication.In this case Mars is the planet > > who should be considered.Without effort and work one can not achieve > > his goal. Kindly clear my doubt for third house as karakatwa of > > Mars. > > > Mars himself is a planet of > > fight,viguor,energy,soldier,initiative and effort.If you consider > > this way then you are correct.When you are correct then these are > > the karkatwa of Mars, means the quality/nature of Mars.Now the > > quantum of result may depend upon the Sublord and according to the > > power of sublords or LoD and LoE for timing the event for house > > B. " Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its > > holding karaktwa for 6th and 1st house.So again SELF and Job related > > or health related. " > > > Here again you referred 6th house holding karkatwa for Mars. > > Why? What I could find it out because sixth is B and 1st house is > > karaka for 6th house.Therefore karaktwa of Mars revolve round the > > lagna (individual),3rd house(his effort),5th house(his dignity),6th > > house(job),8th house(his promotion)and 10th house(his status or > > designation). > > > I could not understand it thoroughly.Unless we take an example > > chart and start analysing an event. Because you quote the example of > > Mars which is job related planet.The same planet may show some other > > karakatwa w.r.t. other Asc.Thus the role of Mars MD. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > ashsam73 ashsam73@ wrote: > > > Dear Ramesh and Rayadu, > > > > > > Mahadasha as per KAS shows the karaktwa. Say if once u cast the > > > points and u see say a planet has very high power in say 10th > > house > > > but in one Madasha he might rise to the level of supervisor but in > > > some other MD he might rise to the level of manager of country. > > But > > > in both case there will be promotion i.e .timing of event. > > > > > > So Mahadasha is not used directly in timing of event. > > > > > > Mahadasha shows the karaktwa means that the persons might be > > around > > > during that phase in life. > > > > > > Say Cancer lagna is rising then Mars is lord of 5th and 10th. It > > is > > > Yoga Karak means lord of trikona and kendra. > > > > > > Its is Lord of A and B. In MD of Mars the person might have > > > karaktwa of 3rd and 10th. Means during that madasha he might have > > > thoughts around taking initiative and about power and rise in > > life. > > > Mars also rules 1st and 8th house in kalpurush chart so its > > holding > > > karaktwa for 6th and 1st house. So again SELF and Job related or > > > health related. > > > > > > So all of Mars MD his thoughts will be around such things. Now > > when > > > mind is around such things then all antras will have flavour of > > such > > > things or say touch. > > > > > > So say in Mars MD and say in antra of Shani or Mercury the person > > > might get some more authority. In Shani antra in Mars MD he might > > > take more initiatives for authority. Shani is LoE for 3rd AND its > > > LoD for 10th and LoE for 2nd (so wealth w.r.t. 10th house) so he > > may > > > make more investment in his business or job and in Shani antra > > again > > > he will get very good returns also for his initiavite and he will > > > encash on his authority i.e. LoD for 11th house i.e Sa is LoD for > > > 11th house. > > > > > > For timing we are not studying Mars MD. We will go into detail of > > > MD to study the flavour of all antras. In Mars antra will deal > > more > > > with matters of career. > > > > > > I will say Mars MD and its SD's too. If Mars is aspecting 10th, > > 2nd > > > or 5th then similar mind set will be experienced in Mars or its SD > > > too. > > > > > > Again if u study this keenly we are not using Mars MD for timing > > of > > > event. > > > > > > Say MD of 2nd lord is running then its full MD one person might > > face > > > some worries. At the same time say if there are other factors for > > > accident etc, i.e. low power in 7th house in WS or say LoD or LoE > > > who's status is spoilt etc then during such time a person might > > face > > > more worries w.r.t. accident. > > > > > > If MD of Mars is running for Cancer lagna and say there is low > > power > > > for 7th house then husband and wife may live seperate due to > > intense > > > travel and new initiative taken in business by the husband or wife > > > or there might be some disputes with business partner or say life > > > partner ofcouse these are just examples and full chart must be > > > studied.. > > > > > > But for timing of event 7th house will show some issues. So > > flavour > > > of problems u can identify from MD. > > > > > > You all talk of death but then death again can be due to many > > > reasons, it can be due to illness, or it can be due to say lethal > > > injection or hanging, or say a person dies of heart attack or for > > > whatever reason. Yes, natural death 8th house matters will be > > > linked to 3rd house. In any case for whatever the reason, for > > > timing of event we will focus on House B i.e 8th house and LoD and > > > LoE and power of planets in the 8th hosue to give timing of death > > in > > > antra. The MD will give the reason. If a person dies in MD of > > 11th > > > lord then it can be after long illness or say if MD is running is > > > linked to 2nd and 3rd say if Sa is 2nd and 3rd lord and Ra is SD > > to > > > Sa then in Rahu's md a person might die of some accident. Means > > > here Rahu annd itbeing SD to Sa is showing the reason. > > > But in all cases death will be in antra of highest points or LoD > > or > > > loE or planets in house D or e with more than 4 bindus. > > > > > > I hope its clear now. > > > > > > One more thing, please first verify birth time carefully, i.e. say > > > take 10 events and make sure it matches first. And then proceed > > to > > > make any prediction. Assuming a birth time is correct might not > > > always be right and if the birth time is wrong, no laws will match. > > > > > > Just you see the chart solved for DP Singh. Also the chart of > > Queen > > > given by you. Make sure all other events are matching first. 1 or > > 2 > > > minutes will change the lagna. In such cases make an effort to > > find > > > out all evnets are matching or not. All is not not easy and is > > very > > > time consuming however once u have confidence with a system u will > > > see a trend. > > > > > > Yes for that u should have faith in the system. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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