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Dear Pemmaraju,

 

I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

 

However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand.

 

Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

This is what you do.

Select Menu item

Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

The option 3 is written there.

" Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will

fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna

lagna "

In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

lagna with Prasna lagna.

I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly

considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that

Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it.

 

I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

 

I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

 

For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as

per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power

of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get

all the info there after for example.

 

If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart

and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 7

D12 12

D16 4

D20 4

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 2

D45 9

D60 9

 

Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide

a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant

be linear.

 

So here Sun is neutral.

 

So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change.

 

Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

Nadi. So here we get

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 8

D12 12

D16 4

D20 5

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 3

D45 10

D60 10

 

 

Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn

from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and

D60 change.

 

Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati

Nadi.

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 7

D12 12

D16 3

D20 4

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 2

D45 9

D60 9

 

Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi

just before.

 

 

As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

 

5 * 60 + 45 = 345

 

345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

 

So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS

(or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system

Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

 

so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will

fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based

on fixed, movable and dual sign.

 

 

Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN

 

For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its

also 31st for KASN.

 

 

Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

 

As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as

per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

 

 

So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

 

It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct

1800 nadis.

 

I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

(irrsepective of where u start it).

 

Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start

varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

 

Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable

and fixed.

 

In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal

so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes

in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

seperate and unique combinations.

So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

 

 

I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12

minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed,

movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the

theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart

positions.

 

Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and

some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

, " Pemmaraju V.R.

Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

explain more.

>

> My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa

Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D-

150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart

and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and

planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example

lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If

I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail,

that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in

the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your

D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

>

> I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart

and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the

house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and

its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees

and position in rasi.

>

> I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number

from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart

and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees

are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location

and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this

sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be

known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different

vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number

926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India

17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for

Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for

my better understanding.

>

> Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals

with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

>

> I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

>

> As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine "

of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given

in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not

think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such

results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

>

> Let me know details.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you

> have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of

> nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is

> not linear.

> I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions

> which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

divide

> it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> divisional charts.

>

> For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has

> changed a position in D chart.

>

> Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

Horary

> we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

once

> that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

>

> So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

equal

> parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e.

> based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

>

> Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

charts

> i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins)

=

> 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal

> might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

again

> that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

>

> So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts

> and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are

> ignoring the 16 D charts?

>

> Hence my questions.

>

> Please feel free to help me undestand this.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

from

> the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

Late

> Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have

> given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

read

> it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

Even

> my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend

> Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

field,

> also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his

> book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter,

than

> taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

mentioned

> unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage

> of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> division itself for interpretation of results.

> >

> > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts.

> >

> > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> >

> > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

discussing

> > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> >

> > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> experience

> > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

was

> > hoping that you will share your experience.

> >

> > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I

> > wanted to understand.

> >

> > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> understand

> > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

manner,

> > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that

of

> > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and

> then

> > starts from 1.

> >

> > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> >

> > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins

> each

> > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> >

> > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > fundamental.

> >

> > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

Nadi

> > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> >

> > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share

> > your vast experience.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > >

> > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> from

> > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

(82minutes)

> in

> > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

after

> 6

> > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet

is

> in

> > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will

be

> in

> > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > >

> > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

150.

> > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed

> rasis

> > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts

> > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in

> > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle

one

> > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to

be

> > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see

my

> > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to

make

> > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

make

> > the nadi chart.

> > >

> > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful

> to

> > you..

> > >

> > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this

> nadi

> > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program

> for

> > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the

> > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it

so

> > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > >

> > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> clockwise

> > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60)

in

> > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet

> > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

Aries

> > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise

> > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and

> > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

divisional

> > charts.

> > >

> > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

my

> > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a

> thumb

> > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not

> claim

> > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that

they

> > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research

> can

> > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any

> > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put

it

> in

> > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would

do

> > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum

> is

> > for KAS.

> > >

> > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > confused

> > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I

> am

> > > wrong.

> > >

> > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > >

> > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal

> > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > >

> > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > >

> > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I

> have

> > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes

> then

> > a

> > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

charts.

> > That

> > > can't be equal parts?

> > >

> > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with

KAS

> > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> number

> > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not

> > linear.

> > >

> > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing

the

> > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s

> > > considering 16 D charts and a planet changing signs?

> > >

> > > This will be useful for strengthening my basics on dwelving

> deeper

> > > into Astrology.

> > >

> > > Please reply at your convenience as I have embarked on my

> journey

> > to

> > > go much deeper in to KAS and its application and sharing your

> vast

> > > knowledge will help me.

> > >

> > > I went through your site and timed most of the charts on

> marriage

> > on

> > > your website and most of them are in line with KAS. I want to

> > thank

> > > u for sharing such data to the world for their studies.

> > >

> > > For those who would like to visit Pemmaraju's very nice

website

> > can

> > > visit

> > >

> > > http://www.rayuduastrology.com/

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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My God! Ash, you should not have taken trouble in replying when you are tired

and not well. I know that the enthusiam at your age would be like that only, but

you should be careful about your health also.

I will study it later on slowly the relation between equal /non-equal

divisions of nadis vis-a-vis tatwas/antar tatwas durations. Meanwhile if

possible please send the non-equal list of nadis as per KAS to relate them to

tatwas..

Blessings

Pemmaraju

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Pemmaraju,

 

I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

 

However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand.

 

Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

This is what you do.

Select Menu item

Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

The option 3 is written there.

" Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will

fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna

lagna "

In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

lagna with Prasna lagna.

I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly

considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that

Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it.

 

I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

 

I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

 

For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as

per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power

of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get

all the info there after for example.

 

If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart

and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 7

D12 12

D16 4

D20 4

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 2

D45 9

D60 9

 

Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide

a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant

be linear.

 

So here Sun is neutral.

 

So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change.

 

Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

Nadi. So here we get

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 8

D12 12

D16 4

D20 5

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 3

D45 10

D60 10

 

 

Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn

from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and

D60 change.

 

Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati

Nadi.

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 7

D12 12

D16 3

D20 4

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 2

D45 9

D60 9

 

Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi

just before.

 

 

As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

 

5 * 60 + 45 = 345

 

345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

 

So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS

(or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system

Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

 

so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will

fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based

on fixed, movable and dual sign.

 

 

Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN

 

For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its

also 31st for KASN.

 

 

Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

 

As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as

per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

 

 

So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

 

It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct

1800 nadis.

 

I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

(irrsepective of where u start it).

 

Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start

varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

 

Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable

and fixed.

 

In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal

so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes

in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

seperate and unique combinations.

So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

 

 

I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12

minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed,

movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the

theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart

positions.

 

Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and

some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

, " Pemmaraju V.R.

Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

explain more.

>

> My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa

Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D-

150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart

and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and

planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example

lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If

I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail,

that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in

the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your

D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

>

> I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart

and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the

house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and

its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees

and position in rasi.

>

> I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number

from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart

and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees

are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location

and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this

sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be

known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different

vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number

926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India

17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for

Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for

my better understanding.

>

> Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals

with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

>

> I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

>

> As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine "

of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given

in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not

think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such

results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

>

> Let me know details.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you

> have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of

> nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is

> not linear.

> I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions

> which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

divide

> it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> divisional charts.

>

> For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has

> changed a position in D chart.

>

> Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

Horary

> we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

once

> that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

>

> So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

equal

> parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e.

> based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

>

> Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

charts

> i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins)

=

> 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal

> might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

again

> that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

>

> So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts

> and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are

> ignoring the 16 D charts?

>

> Hence my questions.

>

> Please feel free to help me undestand this.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

from

> the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

Late

> Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have

> given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

read

> it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

Even

> my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend

> Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

field,

> also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his

> book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter,

than

> taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

mentioned

> unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage

> of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> division itself for interpretation of results.

> >

> > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts.

> >

> > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> >

> > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

discussing

> > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> >

> > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> experience

> > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

was

> > hoping that you will share your experience.

> >

> > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I

> > wanted to understand.

> >

> > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> understand

> > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

manner,

> > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that

of

> > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and

> then

> > starts from 1.

> >

> > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> >

> > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins

> each

> > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> >

> > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > fundamental.

> >

> > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

Nadi

> > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> >

> > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share

> > your vast experience.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > >

> > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> from

> > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

(82minutes)

> in

> > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

after

> 6

> > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet

is

> in

> > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will

be

> in

> > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > >

> > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

150.

> > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed

> rasis

> > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts

> > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in

> > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle

one

> > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to

be

> > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see

my

> > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to

make

> > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

make

> > the nadi chart.

> > >

> > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful

> to

> > you..

> > >

> > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this

> nadi

> > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program

> for

> > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the

> > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it

so

> > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > >

> > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> clockwise

> > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60)

in

> > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet

> > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

Aries

> > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise

> > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and

> > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

divisional

> > charts.

> > >

> > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

my

> > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a

> thumb

> > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not

> claim

> > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that

they

> > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research

> can

> > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any

> > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put

it

> in

> > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would

do

> > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum

> is

> > for KAS.

> > >

> > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > confused

> > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I

> am

> > > wrong.

> > >

> > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > >

> > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal

> > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > >

> > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > >

> > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I

> have

> > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes

> then

> > a

> > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

charts.

> > That

> > > can't be equal parts?

> > >

> > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with

KAS

> > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> number

> > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not

> > linear.

> > >

> > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing

the

> > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s

> > > considering 16 D charts and a planet changing signs?

> > >

> > > This will be useful for strengthening my basics on dwelving

> deeper

> > > into Astrology.

> > >

> > > Please reply at your convenience as I have embarked on my

> journey

> > to

> > > go much deeper in to KAS and its application and sharing your

> vast

> > > knowledge will help me.

> > >

> > > I went through your site and timed most of the charts on

> marriage

> > on

> > > your website and most of them are in line with KAS. I want to

> > thank

> > > u for sharing such data to the world for their studies.

> > >

> > > For those who would like to visit Pemmaraju's very nice

website

> > can

> > > visit

> > >

> > > http://www.rayuduastrology.com/

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Ash,

 

Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health.

 

Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-uniform nadi

amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are arrived at from

Trimshamsa. I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get it?).

I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D chart should change

and I do not know why it is required. May be to find the difference in D charts

between two natal charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better

results. If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse

Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only.

 

You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and said that Sun

is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts from KAS? Can u please

explain further. Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using?

I want to learn it also.

 

Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is correct. This is

for discussion sake only.

 

Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12’ and other born after one

minute with Lagna 27’. As per KAS nadi, both will be in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries

and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and other D-charts. So both should be same

in all respects. But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person

will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be in 3rd nadi

with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and other D-charts and here nadi

changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas changes and so both cannot be same in

all respects, since different results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of

them given in the Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi

astonishingly, how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my

guru’s Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to

refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly matching the

life events for rectification of birth time. I also used

the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly match my

general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I think I gave it in an

article in my web site). I read somewhere that this nadi pattern of equal

division from tatwa siddhanta is taken from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in

Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change

with change in characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is

mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different combinations of

Tatwas/Gunas as per one’s last birth Karma. This may be the reason that the nadi

pattern of equal division is taken.

 

Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this Divine Science is

lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you can revive this ancient subject

into limelight again with the help from stalwart research astrologers like

Krushnaji.

 

Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts.

 

Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete.

 

Sorry to take your precious time.

 

Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no hurry.

 

Blessings

 

Pemmaraju

 

 

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

 

I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

 

However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand.

 

Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

This is what you do.

Select Menu item

Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

The option 3 is written there.

" Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will

fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna

lagna "

In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

lagna with Prasna lagna.

I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly

considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that

Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it.

 

I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

 

I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

 

For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as

per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power

of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get

all the info there after for example.

 

If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart

and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 7

D12 12

D16 4

D20 4

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 2

D45 9

D60 9

 

Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide

a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant

be linear.

 

So here Sun is neutral.

 

So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change.

 

Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

Nadi. So here we get

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 8

D12 12

D16 4

D20 5

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 3

D45 10

D60 10

 

 

Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn

from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and

D60 change.

 

Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati

Nadi.

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 7

D12 12

D16 3

D20 4

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 2

D45 9

D60 9

 

Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi

just before.

 

 

As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

 

5 * 60 + 45 = 345

 

345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

 

So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS

(or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system

Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

 

so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will

fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based

on fixed, movable and dual sign.

 

 

Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN

 

For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its

also 31st for KASN.

 

 

Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

 

As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as

per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

 

 

So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

 

It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct

1800 nadis.

 

I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

(irrsepective of where u start it).

 

Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start

varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

 

Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable

and fixed.

 

In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal

so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes

in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

seperate and unique combinations.

So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

 

 

I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12

minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed,

movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the

theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart

positions.

 

Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and

some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

, " Pemmaraju V.R.

Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

explain more.

>

> My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa

Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D-

150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart

and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and

planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example

lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If

I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail,

that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in

the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your

D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

>

> I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart

and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the

house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and

its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees

and position in rasi.

>

> I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number

from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart

and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees

are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location

and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this

sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be

known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different

vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number

926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India

17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for

Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for

my better understanding.

>

> Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals

with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

>

> I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

>

> As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine "

of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given

in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not

think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such

results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

>

> Let me know details.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you

> have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of

> nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is

> not linear.

> I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions

> which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

divide

> it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> divisional charts.

>

> For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has

> changed a position in D chart.

>

> Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

Horary

> we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

once

> that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

>

> So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

equal

> parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e.

> based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

>

> Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

charts

> i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins)

=

> 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal

> might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

again

> that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

>

> So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts

> and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are

> ignoring the 16 D charts?

>

> Hence my questions.

>

> Please feel free to help me undestand this.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

from

> the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

Late

> Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have

> given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

read

> it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

Even

> my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend

> Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

field,

> also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his

> book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter,

than

> taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

mentioned

> unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage

> of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> division itself for interpretation of results.

> >

> > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts.

> >

> > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> >

> > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

discussing

> > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> >

> > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> experience

> > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

was

> > hoping that you will share your experience.

> >

> > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I

> > wanted to understand.

> >

> > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> understand

> > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

manner,

> > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that

of

> > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and

> then

> > starts from 1.

> >

> > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> >

> > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins

> each

> > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> >

> > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > fundamental.

> >

> > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

Nadi

> > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> >

> > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share

> > your vast experience.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > >

> > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> from

> > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

(82minutes)

> in

> > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

after

> 6

> > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet

is

> in

> > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will

be

> in

> > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > >

> > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

150.

> > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed

> rasis

> > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts

> > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in

> > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle

one

> > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to

be

> > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see

my

> > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to

make

> > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

make

> > the nadi chart.

> > >

> > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful

> to

> > you..

> > >

> > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this

> nadi

> > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program

> for

> > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the

> > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it

so

> > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > >

> > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> clockwise

> > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60)

in

> > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet

> > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

Aries

> > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise

> > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and

> > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

divisional

> > charts.

> > >

> > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

my

> > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a

> thumb

> > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not

> claim

> > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that

they

> > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research

> can

> > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any

> > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put

it

> in

> > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would

do

> > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum

> is

> > for KAS.

> > >

> > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > confused

> > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I

> am

> > > wrong.

> > >

> > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > >

> > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal

> > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > >

> > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > >

> > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I

> have

> > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes

> then

> > a

> > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

charts.

> > That

> > > can't be equal parts?

> > >

> > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with

KAS

> > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> number

> > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not

> > linear.

> > >

> > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing

the

> > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s

> > > considering 16 D charts and a planet changing signs?

> > >

> > > This will be useful for strengthening my basics on dwelving

> deeper

> > > into Astrology.

> > >

> > > Please reply at your convenience as I have embarked on my

> journey

> > to

> > > go much deeper in to KAS and its application and sharing your

> vast

> > > knowledge will help me.

> > >

> > > I went through your site and timed most of the charts on

> marriage

> > on

> > > your website and most of them are in line with KAS. I want to

> > thank

> > > u for sharing such data to the world for their studies.

> > >

> > > For those who would like to visit Pemmaraju's very nice

website

> > can

> > > visit

> > >

> > > http://www.rayuduastrology.com/

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Pemmaraju,

I shall answer in CAPS.

 

" Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

Dear Ash,

 

Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health.

 

Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-uniform nadi

amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are arrived at from

Trimshamsa.

 

ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM TRISHANSA. I

SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR. MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A

RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20.

DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF

1 RASI.

 

BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI CANT BE

LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS GIVEN IN JHORA. I

HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW.

 

 

 

I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get it?).

 

HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH AFTER THE

INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING.

 

I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D chart should

change and I do not know why it is required.

May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal charts with close

difference of nadi minutes to get better results. If so then the non uniform

division should only be taken. Ofcourse Krushnaji and you must have definitely

found the correct system only.

 

NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A PART OF THE

SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS.

 

You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and said that Sun

is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts from KAS? Can u please

explain further.

 

YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE DIVISIONAL CHARTS

PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR

AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED.

 

SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE 1 GREEN AND 1

RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL.

 

NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT HAS ETC ONLY

KRUSHNAJI KNOWS.

 

Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I want to learn

it also.

 

I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND HORARY, VASTU

SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG

FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS

OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE ARE USING KAS.

 

 

Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is correct. This is

for discussion sake only.

 

DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT :). THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION AS

I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE

HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND

ANY OTHER NICER SITE ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT

WILL BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING.

SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE ALL CAN LEARN

OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE

CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT

DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF

TAKING EQUAL 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU

AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

 

 

Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12’ and other born after one

minute with Lagna 27’. As per KAS nadi, both will be in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries

and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and other D-charts. So both should be same

in all respects.

 

ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH LAGNA. SO

HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA.

 

TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE SAME, THEY

MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE

TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE

NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER

MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D

CHARTS AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE

KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME.

BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT BE SAME.

 

But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person will be in

1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be in 3rd nadi with

Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and other D-charts and here nadi

changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas changes and so both cannot be same in

all respects, since different results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of

them given in the Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi

astonishingly, how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my

guru’s Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to

refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly matching the

life events for rectification of birth time. I also used

the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly match my

general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I think I gave it in an

article in my web site). I read somewhere that this nadi pattern of equal

division from tatwa siddhanta is taken from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in

Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change

with change in characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is

mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different combinations of

Tatwas/Gunas as per one’s last birth Karma. This may be the reason that the nadi

pattern of equal division is taken.

 

HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN TRISHANSA WHERE

WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY

THEM?

 

 

AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE HAVE DISTINCT

1800 NADIS.

 

TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS.

 

SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN THE

POPULATION OF EARTH.

 

Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

 

OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS EATING.

 

Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this Divine Science is

lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you can revive this ancient subject

into limelight again with the help from stalwart research astrologers like

Krushnaji.

 

YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF NADIS AND ITS

ALSO PART OF KAS.

 

I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH THAT ONLY U CAN

NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO

GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS

SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE.

 

Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts.

 

YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME INTO THE WORLD

OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE

THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES.

 

 

Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete.

 

NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. PLEASE POST YOUR

THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS

HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS

ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED

TO CAST A NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND

LAGNA.

 

Sorry to take your precious time.

 

MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING.

 

Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no hurry.

 

Blessings

 

Pemmaraju

 

CHEERS !!!

ASH

 

ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

 

I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

 

However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand.

 

Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

This is what you do.

Select Menu item

Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

The option 3 is written there.

" Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will

fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna

lagna "

In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

lagna with Prasna lagna.

I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly

considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that

Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it.

 

I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

 

I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

 

For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as

per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power

of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get

all the info there after for example.

 

If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart

and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 7

D12 12

D16 4

D20 4

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 2

D45 9

D60 9

 

Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide

a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant

be linear.

 

So here Sun is neutral.

 

So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change.

 

Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

Nadi. So here we get

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 8

D12 12

D16 4

D20 5

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 3

D45 10

D60 10

 

 

Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn

from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and

D60 change.

 

Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati

Nadi.

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 7

D12 12

D16 3

D20 4

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 2

D45 9

D60 9

 

Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi

just before.

 

 

As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

 

5 * 60 + 45 = 345

 

345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

 

So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS

(or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system

Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

 

so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will

fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based

on fixed, movable and dual sign.

 

 

Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN

 

For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its

also 31st for KASN.

 

 

Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

 

As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as

per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

 

 

So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

 

It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct

1800 nadis.

 

I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

(irrsepective of where u start it).

 

Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start

varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

 

Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable

and fixed.

 

In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal

so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes

in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

seperate and unique combinations.

So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

 

 

I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12

minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed,

movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the

theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart

positions.

 

Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and

some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

, " Pemmaraju V.R.

Rayudu "

wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

explain more.

>

> My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa

Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D-

150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart

and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and

planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example

lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If

I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail,

that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in

the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your

D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

>

> I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart

and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the

house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and

its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees

and position in rasi.

>

> I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number

from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart

and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees

are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location

and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this

sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be

known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different

vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number

926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India

17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for

Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for

my better understanding.

>

> Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals

with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

>

> I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

>

> As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine "

of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given

in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not

think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such

results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

>

> Let me know details.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

>

> ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you

> have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of

> nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is

> not linear.

> I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions

> which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

divide

> it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> divisional charts.

>

> For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has

> changed a position in D chart.

>

> Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

Horary

> we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

once

> that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

>

> So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

equal

> parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e.

> based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

>

> Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

charts

> i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins)

=

> 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal

> might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

again

> that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

>

> So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts

> and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are

> ignoring the 16 D charts?

>

> Hence my questions.

>

> Please feel free to help me undestand this.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu "

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

from

> the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

Late

> Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have

> given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

read

> it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

Even

> my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend

> Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

field,

> also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his

> book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter,

than

> taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

mentioned

> unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage

> of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> division itself for interpretation of results.

> >

> > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts.

> >

> > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> >

> > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

discussing

> > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> >

> > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> experience

> > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

was

> > hoping that you will share your experience.

> >

> > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I

> > wanted to understand.

> >

> > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> understand

> > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

manner,

> > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that

of

> > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and

> then

> > starts from 1.

> >

> > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> >

> > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins

> each

> > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> >

> > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > fundamental.

> >

> > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

Nadi

> > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> >

> > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share

> > your vast experience.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu "

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > >

> > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> from

> > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

(82minutes)

> in

> > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

after

> 6

> > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet

is

> in

> > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will

be

> in

> > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > >

> > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

150.

> > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed

> rasis

> > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts

> > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in

> > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle

one

> > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to

be

> > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see

my

> > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to

make

> > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

make

> > the nadi chart.

> > >

> > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful

> to

> > you..

> > >

> > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this

> nadi

> > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program

> for

> > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the

> > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it

so

> > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > >

> > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> clockwise

> > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60)

in

> > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet

> > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

Aries

> > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise

> > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and

> > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

divisional

> > charts.

> > >

> > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

my

> > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a

> thumb

> > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not

> claim

> > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that

they

> > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research

> can

> > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any

> > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put

it

> in

> > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would

do

> > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum

> is

> > for KAS.

> > >

> > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > confused

> > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I

> am

> > > wrong.

> > >

> > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > >

> > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal

> > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > >

> > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > >

> > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I

> have

> > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes

> then

> > a

> > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

charts.

> > That

> > > can't be equal parts?

> > >

> > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with

KAS

> > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> number

> > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not

> > linear.

> > >

> > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing

the

> > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s

 

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Dear Ash,

 

Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla.

 

Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful for your

further research. Please correct it for any mistakes.

 

Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at Hyderabad 17N23,

78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-60 lagna is Aries and Nadi is

first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi

Vasudha as per KAS since Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person

is born at 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60

lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its name as per

non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the D-60 lagna changed or

vice versa. I think I am OK upto here.

But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all planets are in the

same positions having same number of Blues, Greens,Reds, which I suppose they

have similar strengths for both time of births. You had already said that the

meaning of this is to be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help

of Shri Krushnaji.

 

Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls (named Sahasra &

Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife’s sister, nearly 8 years after

their marriage. Father is a computer boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife

house wife USA citizen from same Indian community.

 

DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23; ToB for Sahasra

(First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)08:44 AM as given by the hospital

after caesarian operation. Time Zone +5:00, DST:0

 

As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for Saranya Pisces

20deg29.

 

I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets positions in all D

charts, from which I understand that the nadi has not changed. Also all planets

have same number of Blue, Green and Red colours. Please check this, I may be

wrong. If so, both should be same in all respects.

 

As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I got the

photos and phone call information that one is of round face and fair as father

and the other is slightly oval face and not fair as mother.

 

(May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for Lahari Aynamsa

(23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with JHora), for Sahasra I get

Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60 lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per

equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya

I get Rasi lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as

per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per C.G.Rajan). You

can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also changed.)

 

 

So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your views.

 

Blessings

 

Pemmaraju

 

 

 

Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

I shall answer in CAPS.

 

" Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

Dear Ash,

 

Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health.

 

Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-uniform nadi

amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are arrived at from

Trimshamsa.

 

ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM TRISHANSA. I

SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR. MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A

RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20.

DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF

1 RASI.

 

BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI CANT BE

LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS GIVEN IN JHORA. I

HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW.

 

 

 

I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get it?).

 

HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH AFTER THE

INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING.

 

I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D chart should

change and I do not know why it is required.

May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal charts with close

difference of nadi minutes to get better results. If so then the non uniform

division should only be taken. Ofcourse Krushnaji and you must have definitely

found the correct system only.

 

NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A PART OF THE

SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS.

 

You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and said that Sun

is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts from KAS? Can u please

explain further.

 

YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE DIVISIONAL CHARTS

PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR

AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED.

 

SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE 1 GREEN AND 1

RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL.

 

NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT HAS ETC ONLY

KRUSHNAJI KNOWS.

 

Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I want to learn

it also.

 

I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND HORARY, VASTU

SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG

FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS

OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE ARE USING KAS.

 

 

Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is correct. This is

for discussion sake only.

 

DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT :). THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION AS

I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE

HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND

ANY OTHER NICER SITE ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT

WILL BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING.

SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE ALL CAN LEARN

OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE

CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT

DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF

TAKING EQUAL 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU

AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

 

 

Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12’ and other born after one

minute with Lagna 27’. As per KAS nadi, both will be in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries

and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and other D-charts. So both should be same

in all respects.

 

ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH LAGNA. SO

HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA.

 

TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE SAME, THEY

MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE

TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE

NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER

MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D

CHARTS AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE

KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME.

BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT BE SAME.

 

But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person will be in

1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be in 3rd nadi with

Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and other D-charts and here nadi

changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas changes and so both cannot be same in

all respects, since different results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of

them given in the Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi

astonishingly, how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my

guru’s Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to

refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly matching the

life events for rectification of birth time. I also used

the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly match my

general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I think I gave it in an

article in my web site). I read somewhere that this nadi pattern of equal

division from tatwa siddhanta is taken from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in

Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change

with change in characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is

mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different combinations of

Tatwas/Gunas as per one’s last birth Karma. This may be the reason that the nadi

pattern of equal division is taken.

 

HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN TRISHANSA WHERE

WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY

THEM?

 

 

AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE HAVE DISTINCT

1800 NADIS.

 

TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS.

 

SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN THE

POPULATION OF EARTH.

 

Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

 

OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS EATING.

 

Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this Divine Science is

lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you can revive this ancient subject

into limelight again with the help from stalwart research astrologers like

Krushnaji.

 

YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF NADIS AND ITS

ALSO PART OF KAS.

 

I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH THAT ONLY U CAN

NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO

GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS

SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE.

 

Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts.

 

YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME INTO THE WORLD

OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE

THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES.

 

 

Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete.

 

NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. PLEASE POST YOUR

THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS

HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS

ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED

TO CAST A NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND

LAGNA.

 

Sorry to take your precious time.

 

MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING.

 

Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no hurry.

 

Blessings

 

Pemmaraju

 

CHEERS !!!

ASH

 

ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

 

I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

 

However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand.

 

Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

This is what you do.

Select Menu item

Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

The option 3 is written there.

" Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will

fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna

lagna "

In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

lagna with Prasna lagna.

I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly

considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that

Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it.

 

I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

 

I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

 

For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as

per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power

of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get

all the info there after for example.

 

If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart

and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 7

D12 12

D16 4

D20 4

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 2

D45 9

D60 9

 

Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide

a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant

be linear.

 

So here Sun is neutral.

 

So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change.

 

Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

Nadi. So here we get

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 8

D12 12

D16 4

D20 5

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 3

D45 10

D60 10

 

 

Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn

from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and

D60 change.

 

Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati

Nadi.

 

D1 10

D2 4

D3 10

D4 10

D7 5

D9 11

D10 7

D12 12

D16 3

D20 4

D24 8

D27 9

D30 6

D40 2

D45 9

D60 9

 

Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi

just before.

 

 

As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

 

5 * 60 + 45 = 345

 

345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

 

So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS

(or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system

Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

 

so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will

fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based

on fixed, movable and dual sign.

 

 

Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN

 

For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its

also 31st for KASN.

 

 

Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

 

As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as

per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

 

 

So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

 

It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct

1800 nadis.

 

I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

(irrsepective of where u start it).

 

Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start

varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

 

Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable

and fixed.

 

In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal

so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes

in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

seperate and unique combinations.

So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

 

 

I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12

minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed,

movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the

theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart

positions.

 

Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and

some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

, " Pemmaraju V.R.

Rayudu "

wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

explain more.

>

> My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa

Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D-

150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart

and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and

planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example

lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If

I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail,

that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in

the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your

D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

>

> I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart

and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the

house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and

its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees

and position in rasi.

>

> I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number

from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart

and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees

are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location

and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this

sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be

known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different

vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number

926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India

17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for

Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for

my better understanding.

>

> Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals

with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

>

> I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

>

> As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine "

of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given

in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not

think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such

results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

>

> Let me know details.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

>

> ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you

> have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of

> nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is

> not linear.

> I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions

> which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

divide

> it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> divisional charts.

>

> For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has

> changed a position in D chart.

>

> Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

Horary

> we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

once

> that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

>

> So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

equal

> parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e.

> based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

>

> Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

charts

> i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins)

=

> 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal

> might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

again

> that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

>

> So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts

> and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are

> ignoring the 16 D charts?

>

> Hence my questions.

>

> Please feel free to help me undestand this.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu "

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

from

> the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

Late

> Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have

> given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

read

> it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

Even

> my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend

> Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

field,

> also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his

> book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter,

than

> taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

mentioned

> unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage

> of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> division itself for interpretation of results.

> >

> > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts.

> >

> > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> >

> > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

discussing

> > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> >

> > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> experience

> > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

was

> > hoping that you will share your experience.

> >

> > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I

> > wanted to understand.

> >

> > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> understand

> > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

manner,

> > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that

of

> > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and

> then

> > starts from 1.

> >

> > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> >

> > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins

> each

> > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> >

> > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > fundamental.

> >

> > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

Nadi

> > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> >

> > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share

> > your vast experience.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu "

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > >

> > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> from

> > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

(82minutes)

> in

> > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

after

> 6

> > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet

is

> in

> > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will

be

> in

> > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > >

> > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

150.

> > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed

> rasis

> > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts

> > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in

> > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle

one

> > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to

be

> > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see

my

> > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to

make

> > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

make

> > the nadi chart.

> > >

> > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful

> to

> > you..

> > >

> > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this

> nadi

> > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program

> for

> > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the

> > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it

so

> > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > >

> > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> clockwise

> > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60)

in

> > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet

> > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

Aries

> > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise

> > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and

> > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

divisional

> > charts.

> > >

> > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

my

> > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a

> thumb

> > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not

> claim

> > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that

they

> > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research

> can

> > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any

> > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put

it

> in

> > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would

do

> > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum

> is

> > for KAS.

> > >

> > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > confused

> > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I

> am

> > > wrong.

> > >

> > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > >

> > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal

> > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > >

> > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > >

> > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I

> have

> > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes

> then

> > a

> > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

charts.

> > That

> > > can't be equal parts?

> > >

> > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with

KAS

> > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> number

> > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not

> > linear.

> > >

> > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing

the

> > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s

 

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Dear Pemmaraju,

We are using time of birth when the child first cries. These times

u have given is it recorded when the child cried or when the

umbinical chord was cut?

Can you first please confirm this?

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " Pemmaraju V.R.

Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla.

>

> Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful

for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes.

>

> Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at

Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-60

lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform

nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since

Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at

6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60

lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its

name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the

D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here.

> But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all

planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues,

Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both

time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to

be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri

Krushnaji.

>

> Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls

(named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's

sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer

boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen

from same Indian community.

>

> DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23;

ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)08:44

AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone

+5:00, DST:0

>

> As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for

Saranya Pisces 20deg29.

>

> I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets

positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has

not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and

Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should

be same in all respects.

>

> As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I

got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face

and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair

as mother.

>

> (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for

Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with

JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60

lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva

Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi

lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as

per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per

C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also

changed.)

>

>

> So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your

views.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

>

>

> Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> I shall answer in CAPS.

>

> " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health.

>

> Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-

uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are

arrived at from Trimshamsa.

>

> ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM

TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR.

MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL

PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1

RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI.

>

> BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI

CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS

GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW.

>

>

>

> I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get

it?).

>

> HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH

AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING.

>

> I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D

chart should change and I do not know why it is required.

> May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal

charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results.

If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse

Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only.

>

> NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A

PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS.

>

> You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and

said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts

from KAS? Can u please explain further.

>

> YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE

DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND

OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED.

>

> SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE

1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL.

>

> NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT

HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS.

>

> Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I

want to learn it also.

>

> I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND

HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY

STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT

IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE

ARE USING KAS.

>

>

> Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is

correct. This is for discussion sake only.

>

> DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT :). THIS IS A GOOD

DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A

VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST

UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE

ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL

BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING.

> SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE

ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO

NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS

THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME

DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL

12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU

AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

>

>

> Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other

born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will be

in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and

other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects.

>

> ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH

LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA.

>

> TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE

SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR

THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA

CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A

CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE

USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS

AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE

KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME.

> BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT

BE SAME.

>

> But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person

will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be

in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and

other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas

changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different

results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the

Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly,

how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's

Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to

refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly

matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used

> the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly

match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I

think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that

this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken

from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva

nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in

characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is

mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different

combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This may

be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken.

>

> HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN

TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS

PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM?

>

>

> AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE

HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS.

>

> TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS.

>

> SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN

THE POPULATION OF EARTH.

>

> Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

>

> OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS

EATING.

>

> Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this

Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you

can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help

from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji.

>

> YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF

NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS.

>

> I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH

THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY

EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS

IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN

EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE.

>

> Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts.

>

> YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME

INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO

GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES.

>

>

> Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete.

>

> NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT.

PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR

WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND

BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS

THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A

NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND

LAGNA.

>

> Sorry to take your precious time.

>

> MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING.

>

> Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no

hurry.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

> CHEERS !!!

> ASH

>

> ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

>

> I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

>

> However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to

understand.

>

> Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

> This is what you do.

> Select Menu item

> Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

> The option 3 is written there.

> " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will

> fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

> is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of

prasna

> lagna "

> In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

> lagna with Prasna lagna.

> I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

> fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly

> considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that

> Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it.

>

> I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

>

> I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

> chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

> know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

>

> For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as

> per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power

> of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the

get

> all the info there after for example.

>

> If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart

> and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

>

> D1 10

> D2 4

> D3 10

> D4 10

> D7 5

> D9 11

> D10 7

> D12 12

> D16 4

> D20 4

> D24 8

> D27 9

> D30 6

> D40 2

> D45 9

> D60 9

>

> Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might

divide

> a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi

cant

> be linear.

>

> So here Sun is neutral.

>

> So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change.

>

> Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

> Nadi. So here we get

>

> D1 10

> D2 4

> D3 10

> D4 10

> D7 5

> D9 11

> D10 8

> D12 12

> D16 4

> D20 5

> D24 8

> D27 9

> D30 6

> D40 3

> D45 10

> D60 10

>

>

> Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn

> from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and

> D60 change.

>

> Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati

> Nadi.

>

> D1 10

> D2 4

> D3 10

> D4 10

> D7 5

> D9 11

> D10 7

> D12 12

> D16 3

> D20 4

> D24 8

> D27 9

> D30 6

> D40 2

> D45 9

> D60 9

>

> Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

> capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi

> just before.

>

>

> As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

>

> 5 * 60 + 45 = 345

>

> 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

>

> So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per

KAS

> (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system

> Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

>

> so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will

> fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based

> on fixed, movable and dual sign.

>

>

> Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN

>

> For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and

its

> also 31st for KASN.

>

>

> Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

>

> As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as

> per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

>

>

> So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

>

> It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct

> 1800 nadis.

>

> I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

> (irrsepective of where u start it).

>

> Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It

start

> varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

>

> Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual,

movable

> and fixed.

>

> In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but

unequal

> so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna

changes

> in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

> seperate and unique combinations.

> So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

>

>

> I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of

12

> minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on

fixed,

> movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is

the

> theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart

> positions.

>

> Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book

and

> some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu "

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

> explain more.

> >

> > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

> divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the

Tatwa/Antartatwa

> Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

> understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by

D-

> 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150

chart

> and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas

and

> planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example

> lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces.

If

> I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous

mail,

> that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

> would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce

in

> the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give

your

> D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

> >

> > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

> changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

> chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

> would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart

> and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the

> house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and

> its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees

> and position in rasi.

> >

> > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number

> from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart

> and position is known. By the number the lagna position and

degrees

> are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location

> and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this

> sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could

be

> known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different

> vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number

> 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India

> 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for

> Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts

for

> my better understanding.

> >

> > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals

> with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

> >

> > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

> chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

> their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

> interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

> >

> > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

> nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

> positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological

Magazine "

> of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

> nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given

> in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not

> think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at

such

> results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

> >

> > Let me know details.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However

you

> > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size

of

> > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa

is

> > not linear.

> > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions

> > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

> divide

> > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> > divisional charts.

> >

> > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has

> > changed a position in D chart.

> >

> > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

> Horary

> > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

> once

> > that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

> >

> > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

> equal

> > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e.

> > based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

> >

> > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

> charts

> > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12

mins)

> =

> > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal

> > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

> again

> > that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

> >

> > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal

parts

> > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we

are

> > ignoring the 16 D charts?

> >

> > Hence my questions.

> >

> > Please feel free to help me undestand this.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu "

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

> from

> > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

> Late

> > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I

have

> > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

> read

> > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

> Even

> > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My

friend

> > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

> field,

> > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in

his

> > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter,

> than

> > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

> mentioned

> > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this

stage

> > of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> > division itself for interpretation of results.

> > >

> > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts.

> > >

> > > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > >

> > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

> discussing

> > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> > >

> > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> > experience

> > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

> was

> > > hoping that you will share your experience.

> > >

> > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what

I

> > > wanted to understand.

> > >

> > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> > understand

> > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

> manner,

> > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and

that

> of

> > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and

> > then

> > > starts from 1.

> > >

> > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> > >

> > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12

mins

> > each

> > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> > >

> > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > > fundamental.

> > >

> > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

> Nadi

> > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> > >

> > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can

share

> > > your vast experience.

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " Pemmaraju

V.R.

> > > Rayudu "

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > > >

> > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> > from

> > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

> (82minutes)

> > in

> > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

> after

> > 6

> > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet

> is

> > in

> > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will

> be

> > in

> > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > > >

> > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

> 150.

> > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed

> > rasis

> > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it

starts

> > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in

> > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle

> one

> > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are

to

> be

> > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please

see

> my

> > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to

> make

> > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

> make

> > > the nadi chart.

> > > >

> > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful

> > to

> > > you..

> > > >

> > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this

> > nadi

> > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer

program

> > for

> > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the

> > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it

> so

> > > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > > >

> > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> > clockwise

> > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60)

> in

> > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet

> > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

> Aries

> > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise

> > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart

and

> > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

> divisional

> > > charts.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

> my

> > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a

> > thumb

> > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not

> > claim

> > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that

> they

> > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further

research

> > can

> > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this

method.

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any

> > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put

> it

> > in

> > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would

> do

> > > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum

> > is

> > > for KAS.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings

> > > >

> > > > Pemmaraju

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > > confused

> > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if

I

> > am

> > > > wrong.

> > > >

> > > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > > >

> > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150

equal

> > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > > >

> > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > > >

> > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding

I

> > have

> > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart

changes

> > then

> > > a

> > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

> charts.

> > > That

> > > > can't be equal parts?

> > > >

> > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with

> KAS

> > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> > number

> > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not

> > > linear.

> > > >

> > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing

> the

> > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s

>

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Dear Pemmaraju,

I just quickly casted both the charts of the twins, however just to

highlight something here.

 

Check the lagna nadi. Both the lagna nadi has changed.

 

Lagna Nadi for the elder twin is (8:43 AM)

 

D1 Ar

D2 Cn

D3 Le

D4 Cn

D7 Ge

D9 Cn

D10 Cn

D12 Le

D16 Li

D20 Sc

D24 Ta

D27 Aq

D30 Sg

D40 Cn

D45 Vi

D60 Pi

 

 

Lagna nadi for younger twin (8:44 AM)

 

D1 Ar

D2 Cn

D3 Le

D4 Cn

D7 Ge

D9 Cn

D10 Le <<

D12 Le

D16 Li

D20 Sg <<

D24 Ta

D27 Pi <<

D30 Sg

D40 Le <<

D45 Li <<

D60 Ar <<

 

I have highlighted the same.

 

In any case we say that the child's first cry is the time that we

note.

 

This mail is to show that Lagna nadi is different and all the other

nadi of other planets is same.

 

This will change everything.

 

In the same chart that u saw the blue, green, red in Cell K47 change

the view to House from sign.

 

You can see the glaring difference. For your convenience i will

focus on the d charts that are different due to change in lagna nadi.

 

For Twin born at 8:43 AM

 

Divisionals As Su Mo Ma

Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke

Dasamsa D10 Cn 1 11 10 6

12 3 1 9 3

Vimsamsa D20 Sc 12 8 9

12 11 7 2 6 6

Bhamsa D27 Aq 11 6 4 2

8 8 11 11 5

Khavedamsa D40 Cn 7 11 7

8 8 7 8 9 9

Akshavedamsa D45 Vi 11 3 5

8 10 11 2 11 11

Shastiamsa D60 Pi 7 8 2

7 11 4 6 2 8

 

For Twin born at 8:44

 

Divisionals As Su Mo Ma

Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke

Dasamsa D10 Le 12 10 9 5

11 2 12 8 2

Vimsamsa D20 Sg 11 7 8

11 10 6 1 5 5

Bhamsa D27 Pi 10 5 3 1

7 7 10 10 4

Khavedamsa D40 Le 6 10 6

7 7 6 7 8 8

Akshavedamsa D45 Li 10 2 4

7 9 10 1 10 10

Shastiamsa D60 Ar 6 7 1

6 10 3 5 1 7

 

 

You can see that the house placement has changed.

 

I hope you understand the depth of unequal nadi that is used which

has its grounding in D-Charts.

 

I have some questions on a few things which I Shall address in

seperate mail due to lack of time.

 

Here my intention was just to highlight that you have not considered

lagna nadi.

 

In any case, the time to be noted is the childs first cry. That is

very important point especially if u are going into twins which are

born very close to each other.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " Pemmaraju V.R.

Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla.

>

> Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful

for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes.

>

> Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at

Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-60

lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform

nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since

Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at

6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60

lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its

name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the

D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here.

> But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all

planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues,

Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both

time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to

be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri

Krushnaji.

>

> Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls

(named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's

sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer

boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen

from same Indian community.

>

> DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23;

ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)08:44

AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone

+5:00, DST:0

>

> As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for

Saranya Pisces 20deg29.

>

> I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets

positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has

not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and

Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should

be same in all respects.

>

> As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I

got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face

and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair

as mother.

>

> (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for

Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with

JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60

lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva

Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi

lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as

per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per

C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also

changed.)

>

>

> So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your

views.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

>

>

> Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> I shall answer in CAPS.

>

> " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health.

>

> Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-

uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are

arrived at from Trimshamsa.

>

> ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM

TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR.

MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL

PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1

RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI.

>

> BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI

CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS

GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW.

>

>

>

> I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get

it?).

>

> HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH

AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING.

>

> I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D

chart should change and I do not know why it is required.

> May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal

charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results.

If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse

Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only.

>

> NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A

PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS.

>

> You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and

said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts

from KAS? Can u please explain further.

>

> YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE

DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND

OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED.

>

> SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE

1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL.

>

> NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT

HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS.

>

> Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I

want to learn it also.

>

> I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND

HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY

STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT

IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE

ARE USING KAS.

>

>

> Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is

correct. This is for discussion sake only.

>

> DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT :). THIS IS A GOOD

DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A

VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST

UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE

ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL

BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING.

> SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE

ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO

NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS

THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME

DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL

12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU

AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

>

>

> Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other

born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will be

in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and

other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects.

>

> ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH

LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA.

>

> TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE

SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR

THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA

CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A

CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE

USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS

AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE

KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME.

> BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT

BE SAME.

>

> But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person

will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be

in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and

other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas

changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different

results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the

Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly,

how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's

Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to

refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly

matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used

> the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly

match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I

think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that

this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken

from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva

nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in

characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is

mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different

combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This may

be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken.

>

> HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN

TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS

PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM?

>

>

> AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE

HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS.

>

> TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS.

>

> SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN

THE POPULATION OF EARTH.

>

> Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

>

> OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS

EATING.

>

> Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this

Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you

can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help

from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji.

>

> YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF

NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS.

>

> I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH

THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY

EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS

IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN

EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE.

>

> Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts.

>

> YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME

INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO

GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES.

>

>

> Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete.

>

> NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT.

PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR

WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND

BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS

THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A

NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND

LAGNA.

>

> Sorry to take your precious time.

>

> MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING.

>

> Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no

hurry.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

> CHEERS !!!

> ASH

>

> ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

>

> I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

>

> However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to

understand.

>

> Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

> This is what you do.

> Select Menu item

> Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

> The option 3 is written there.

> " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will

> fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

> is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of

prasna

> lagna "

> In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

> lagna with Prasna lagna.

> I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

> fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly

> considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that

> Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it.

>

> I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

>

> I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

> chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

> know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

>

> For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as

> per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power

> of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the

get

> all the info there after for example.

>

> If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart

> and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

>

> D1 10

> D2 4

> D3 10

> D4 10

> D7 5

> D9 11

> D10 7

> D12 12

> D16 4

> D20 4

> D24 8

> D27 9

> D30 6

> D40 2

> D45 9

> D60 9

>

> Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might

divide

> a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi

cant

> be linear.

>

> So here Sun is neutral.

>

> So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change.

>

> Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

> Nadi. So here we get

>

> D1 10

> D2 4

> D3 10

> D4 10

> D7 5

> D9 11

> D10 8

> D12 12

> D16 4

> D20 5

> D24 8

> D27 9

> D30 6

> D40 3

> D45 10

> D60 10

>

>

> Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn

> from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and

> D60 change.

>

> Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati

> Nadi.

>

> D1 10

> D2 4

> D3 10

> D4 10

> D7 5

> D9 11

> D10 7

> D12 12

> D16 3

> D20 4

> D24 8

> D27 9

> D30 6

> D40 2

> D45 9

> D60 9

>

> Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

> capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi

> just before.

>

>

> As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

>

> 5 * 60 + 45 = 345

>

> 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

>

> So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per

KAS

> (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system

> Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

>

> so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will

> fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based

> on fixed, movable and dual sign.

>

>

> Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN

>

> For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and

its

> also 31st for KASN.

>

>

> Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

>

> As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as

> per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

>

>

> So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

>

> It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct

> 1800 nadis.

>

> I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

> (irrsepective of where u start it).

>

> Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It

start

> varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

>

> Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual,

movable

> and fixed.

>

> In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but

unequal

> so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna

changes

> in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

> seperate and unique combinations.

> So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

>

>

> I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of

12

> minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on

fixed,

> movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is

the

> theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart

> positions.

>

> Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book

and

> some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu "

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

> explain more.

> >

> > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

> divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the

Tatwa/Antartatwa

> Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

> understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by

D-

> 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150

chart

> and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas

and

> planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example

> lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces.

If

> I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous

mail,

> that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

> would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce

in

> the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give

your

> D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

> >

> > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

> changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

> chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

> would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart

> and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the

> house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and

> its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees

> and position in rasi.

> >

> > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number

> from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart

> and position is known. By the number the lagna position and

degrees

> are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location

> and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this

> sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could

be

> known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different

> vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number

> 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India

> 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for

> Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts

for

> my better understanding.

> >

> > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals

> with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

> >

> > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

> chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

> their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

> interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

> >

> > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

> nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

> positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological

Magazine "

> of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

> nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given

> in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not

> think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at

such

> results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

> >

> > Let me know details.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However

you

> > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size

of

> > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa

is

> > not linear.

> > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions

> > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

> divide

> > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> > divisional charts.

> >

> > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has

> > changed a position in D chart.

> >

> > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

> Horary

> > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

> once

> > that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

> >

> > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

> equal

> > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e.

> > based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

> >

> > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

> charts

> > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12

mins)

> =

> > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal

> > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

> again

> > that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

> >

> > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal

parts

> > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we

are

> > ignoring the 16 D charts?

> >

> > Hence my questions.

> >

> > Please feel free to help me undestand this.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu "

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

> from

> > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

> Late

> > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I

have

> > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

> read

> > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

> Even

> > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My

friend

> > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

> field,

> > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in

his

> > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter,

> than

> > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

> mentioned

> > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this

stage

> > of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> > division itself for interpretation of results.

> > >

> > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts.

> > >

> > > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > >

> > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

> discussing

> > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> > >

> > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> > experience

> > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

> was

> > > hoping that you will share your experience.

> > >

> > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what

I

> > > wanted to understand.

> > >

> > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> > understand

> > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

> manner,

> > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and

that

> of

> > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and

> > then

> > > starts from 1.

> > >

> > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> > >

> > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12

mins

> > each

> > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> > >

> > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > > fundamental.

> > >

> > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

> Nadi

> > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> > >

> > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can

share

> > > your vast experience.

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " Pemmaraju

V.R.

> > > Rayudu "

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > > >

> > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> > from

> > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

> (82minutes)

> > in

> > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

> after

> > 6

> > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet

> is

> > in

> > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will

> be

> > in

> > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > > >

> > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

> 150.

> > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed

> > rasis

> > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it

starts

> > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in

> > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle

> one

> > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are

to

> be

> > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please

see

> my

> > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to

> make

> > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

> make

> > > the nadi chart.

> > > >

> > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful

> > to

> > > you..

> > > >

> > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this

> > nadi

> > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer

program

> > for

> > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the

> > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it

> so

> > > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > > >

> > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> > clockwise

> > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60)

> in

> > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet

> > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

> Aries

> > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise

> > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart

and

> > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

> divisional

> > > charts.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

> my

> > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a

> > thumb

> > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not

> > claim

> > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that

> they

> > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further

research

> > can

> > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this

method.

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any

> > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put

> it

> > in

> > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would

> do

> > > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum

> > is

> > > for KAS.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings

> > > >

> > > > Pemmaraju

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > > confused

> > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if

I

> > am

> > > > wrong.

> > > >

> > > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > > >

> > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150

equal

> > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > > >

> > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > > >

> > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding

I

> > have

> > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart

changes

> > then

> > > a

> > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

> charts.

> > > That

> > > > can't be equal parts?

> > > >

> > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with

> KAS

> > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> > number

> > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not

> > > linear.

> > > >

> > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing

> the

> > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s

>

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Dear Pemmaraju,

Please ignore this mail. Yes the essense is same. I mis-calculated

the time zone. I got the chart with CDT instead of EST.

 

Ok. Yes, the essense is the same. Here again lagna nadi is

different.

 

 

Twin born at 8:43 AM

 

D1 Pi

D2 Cn

D3 Sc

D4 Vi

D7 Cp

D9 Cp

D10 Ta

D12 Sc

D16 Li

D20 Vi

D24 Sc

D27 Cn

D30 Cp

D40 Sg

D45 Ge

D60 Cn

 

 

Twin Born at 8:44 AM

 

D1 Pi

D2 Cn

D3 Sc

D4 Vi

D7 Cp

D9 Cp

D10 Ta

D12 Sc

D16 Li

D20 Vi

D24 Sc

D27 Cn

D30 Cp

D40 Cp <<

D45 Ge

D60 Cn

 

 

D40 changes here as the lagna nadi changes.

 

So here the planets change houses in D40.

 

Here they are from Sun to Ketu.

 

Sg 2 5 2 3 3 2 3 4 4

Cp 1 4 1 2 2 1 2 3 3

 

Sorry about the confusion.

 

The charts of twins can't be same.

 

Just an observation. The first 2 letters of the name are

also " Sa " .

 

Congratulations to your Wifes Sistes Son on the twins both of which

have 5 sectors of Shani in the D charts.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Pemmaraju,

> I just quickly casted both the charts of the twins, however just

to

> highlight something here.

>

> Check the lagna nadi. Both the lagna nadi has changed.

>

> Lagna Nadi for the elder twin is (8:43 AM)

>

> D1 Ar

> D2 Cn

> D3 Le

> D4 Cn

> D7 Ge

> D9 Cn

> D10 Cn

> D12 Le

> D16 Li

> D20 Sc

> D24 Ta

> D27 Aq

> D30 Sg

> D40 Cn

> D45 Vi

> D60 Pi

>

>

> Lagna nadi for younger twin (8:44 AM)

>

> D1 Ar

> D2 Cn

> D3 Le

> D4 Cn

> D7 Ge

> D9 Cn

> D10 Le <<

> D12 Le

> D16 Li

> D20 Sg <<

> D24 Ta

> D27 Pi <<

> D30 Sg

> D40 Le <<

> D45 Li <<

> D60 Ar <<

>

> I have highlighted the same.

>

> In any case we say that the child's first cry is the time that we

> note.

>

> This mail is to show that Lagna nadi is different and all the

other

> nadi of other planets is same.

>

> This will change everything.

>

> In the same chart that u saw the blue, green, red in Cell K47

change

> the view to House from sign.

>

> You can see the glaring difference. For your convenience i will

> focus on the d charts that are different due to change in lagna

nadi.

>

> For Twin born at 8:43 AM

>

> Divisionals As Su Mo Ma

> Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke

> Dasamsa D10 Cn 1 11 10

6

> 12 3 1 9 3

> Vimsamsa D20 Sc 12 8 9

> 12 11 7 2 6 6

> Bhamsa D27 Aq 11 6 4

2

> 8 8 11 11 5

> Khavedamsa D40 Cn 7 11 7

> 8 8 7 8 9 9

> Akshavedamsa D45 Vi 11 3 5

> 8 10 11 2 11 11

> Shastiamsa D60 Pi 7 8 2

> 7 11 4 6 2 8

>

> For Twin born at 8:44

>

> Divisionals As Su Mo Ma

> Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke

> Dasamsa D10 Le 12 10 9

5

> 11 2 12 8 2

> Vimsamsa D20 Sg 11 7 8

> 11 10 6 1 5 5

> Bhamsa D27 Pi 10 5 3

1

> 7 7 10 10 4

> Khavedamsa D40 Le 6 10 6

> 7 7 6 7 8 8

> Akshavedamsa D45 Li 10 2 4

> 7 9 10 1 10 10

> Shastiamsa D60 Ar 6 7 1

> 6 10 3 5 1 7

>

>

> You can see that the house placement has changed.

>

> I hope you understand the depth of unequal nadi that is used which

> has its grounding in D-Charts.

>

> I have some questions on a few things which I Shall address in

> seperate mail due to lack of time.

>

> Here my intention was just to highlight that you have not

considered

> lagna nadi.

>

> In any case, the time to be noted is the childs first cry. That

is

> very important point especially if u are going into twins which

are

> born very close to each other.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla.

> >

> > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful

> for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes.

> >

> > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at

> Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-

60

> lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform

> nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since

> Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at

> 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60

> lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever

its

> name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed,

the

> D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here.

> > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all

> planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues,

> Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both

> time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is

to

> be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri

> Krushnaji.

> >

> > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls

> (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's

> sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer

> boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen

> from same Indian community.

> >

> > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23;

> ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)

08:44

> AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone

> +5:00, DST:0

> >

> > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for

> Saranya Pisces 20deg29.

> >

> > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets

> positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi

has

> not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and

> Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should

> be same in all respects.

> >

> > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now,

I

> got the photos and phone call information that one is of round

face

> and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not

fair

> as mother.

> >

> > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for

> Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with

> JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60

> lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva

> Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi

> lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi

as

> per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per

> C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also

> changed.)

> >

> >

> > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your

> views.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> >

> > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > I shall answer in CAPS.

> >

> > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health.

> >

> > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-

> uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are

> arrived at from Trimshamsa.

> >

> > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM

> TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE

LINEAR.

> MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL

> PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF

1

> RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI.

> >

> > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE

NADI

> CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS

> GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW.

> >

> >

> >

> > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get

> it?).

> >

> > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH

> AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING.

> >

> > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D

> chart should change and I do not know why it is required.

> > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal

> charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better

results.

> If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse

> Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system

only.

> >

> > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS

A

> PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS.

> >

> > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and

> said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these

charts

> from KAS? Can u please explain further.

> >

> > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE

> DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT

AND

> OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED.

> >

> > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN

SEE

> 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL.

> >

> > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH

THAT

> HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS.

> >

> > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using?

I

> want to learn it also.

> >

> > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND

> HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME

VERY

> STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT

> IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING

WE

> ARE USING KAS.

> >

> >

> > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is

> correct. This is for discussion sake only.

> >

> > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT :). THIS IS A

GOOD

> DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS

A

> VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST

> UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE

> ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL

> BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING.

> > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT

WE

> ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO

> NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS

> THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME

> DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL

> 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU

> AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

> >

> >

> > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other

> born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will

be

> in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60

and

> other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects.

> >

> > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG

WITH

> LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA.

> >

> > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT

BE

> SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR

> THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA

> CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE

A

> CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE

> USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS

> AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH

MORE

> KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME.

> > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT

> BE SAME.

> >

> > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first

person

> will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will

be

> in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and

> other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the

Antartatwas

> changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since

different

> results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the

> Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi

astonishingly,

> how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's

> Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used

to

> refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly

> matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also

used

> > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly

> match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time

(I

> think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere

that

> this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken

> from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi &

Dhruva

> nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change

in

> characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is

> mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different

> combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This

may

> be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken.

> >

> > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN

> TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS

> PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM?

> >

> >

> > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE

> HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS.

> >

> > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS.

> >

> > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE

THAN

> THE POPULATION OF EARTH.

> >

> > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the

eating.

> >

> > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS

> EATING.

> >

> > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this

> Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you

> can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help

> from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji.

> >

> > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE

OF

> NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS.

> >

> > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH

> THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND

EVERY

> EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS

> IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U

CAN

> EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE.

> >

> > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts.

> >

> > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME

> INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE

TO

> GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES.

> >

> >

> > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise

delete.

> >

> > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT.

> PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR

> WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND

> BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS

> THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A

> NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET

AND

> LAGNA.

> >

> > Sorry to take your precious time.

> >

> > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING.

> >

> > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no

> hurry.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> > CHEERS !!!

> > ASH

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> >

> > I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

> >

> > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to

> understand.

> >

> > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

> > This is what you do.

> > Select Menu item

> > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

> > The option 3 is written there.

> > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this

will

> > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

> > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of

> prasna

> > lagna "

> > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

> > lagna with Prasna lagna.

> > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

> > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are

definitly

> > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means

that

> > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted

it.

> >

> > I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

> >

> > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

> > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

> > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

> >

> > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and

as

> > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the

power

> > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the

> get

> > all the info there after for example.

> >

> > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D

chart

> > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

> >

> > D1 10

> > D2 4

> > D3 10

> > D4 10

> > D7 5

> > D9 11

> > D10 7

> > D12 12

> > D16 4

> > D20 4

> > D24 8

> > D27 9

> > D30 6

> > D40 2

> > D45 9

> > D60 9

> >

> > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might

> divide

> > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi

> cant

> > be linear.

> >

> > So here Sun is neutral.

> >

> > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will

change.

> >

> > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

> > Nadi. So here we get

> >

> > D1 10

> > D2 4

> > D3 10

> > D4 10

> > D7 5

> > D9 11

> > D10 8

> > D12 12

> > D16 4

> > D20 5

> > D24 8

> > D27 9

> > D30 6

> > D40 3

> > D45 10

> > D60 10

> >

> >

> > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in

Capricorn

> > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45

and

> > D60 change.

> >

> > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in

Mati

> > Nadi.

> >

> > D1 10

> > D2 4

> > D3 10

> > D4 10

> > D7 5

> > D9 11

> > D10 7

> > D12 12

> > D16 3

> > D20 4

> > D24 8

> > D27 9

> > D30 6

> > D40 2

> > D45 9

> > D60 9

> >

> > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

> > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati

nadi

> > just before.

> >

> >

> > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

> >

> > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345

> >

> > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

> >

> > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per

> KAS

> > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg

system

> > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

> >

> > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it

will

> > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different

based

> > on fixed, movable and dual sign.

> >

> >

> > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and

KASN

> >

> > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and

> its

> > also 31st for KASN.

> >

> >

> > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

> >

> > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but

as

> > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

> >

> >

> > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

> >

> > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and

distinct

> > 1800 nadis.

> >

> > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

> > (irrsepective of where u start it).

> >

> > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It

> start

> > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

> >

> > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual,

> movable

> > and fixed.

> >

> > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but

> unequal

> > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna

> changes

> > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

> > seperate and unique combinations.

> > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

> >

> >

> > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of

> 12

> > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on

> fixed,

> > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is

> the

> > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional

chart

> > positions.

> >

> > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book

> and

> > some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

> > explain more.

> > >

> > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

> > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the

> Tatwa/Antartatwa

> > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

> > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean

by

> D-

> > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150

> chart

> > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas

> and

> > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the

example

> > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces.

> If

> > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous

> mail,

> > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

> > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce

> in

> > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give

> your

> > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

> > >

> > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

> > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

> > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

> > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi

chart

> > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes

the

> > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet

and

> > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its

degrees

> > and position in rasi.

> > >

> > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the

number

> > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional

chart

> > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and

> degrees

> > are known and the planetary position is as on that date,

location

> > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With

this

> > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts

could

> be

> > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in

different

> > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a

number

> > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh,

India

> > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast

for

> > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts

> for

> > my better understanding.

> > >

> > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa

deals

> > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

> > >

> > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

> > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

> > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

> > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

> > >

> > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

> > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

> > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological

> Magazine "

> > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

> > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are

given

> > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do

not

> > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at

> such

> > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

> > >

> > > Let me know details.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However

> you

> > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size

> of

> > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that

Trishansa

> is

> > > not linear.

> > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal

divisions

> > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

> > divide

> > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> > > divisional charts.

> > >

> > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet

has

> > > changed a position in D chart.

> > >

> > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

> > Horary

> > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

> > once

> > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

> > >

> > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

> > equal

> > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you

i.e.

> > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

> > >

> > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

> > charts

> > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12

> mins)

> > =

> > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is

unequal

> > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

> > again

> > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

> > >

> > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal

> parts

> > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we

> are

> > > ignoring the 16 D charts?

> > >

> > > Hence my questions.

> > >

> > > Please feel free to help me undestand this.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " Pemmaraju

V.R.

> > > Rayudu "

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

> > from

> > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

> > Late

> > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I

> have

> > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

> > read

> > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

> > Even

> > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My

> friend

> > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

> > field,

> > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in

> his

> > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this

matter,

> > than

> > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

> > mentioned

> > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this

> stage

> > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> > > division itself for interpretation of results.

> > > >

> > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga

charts.

> > > >

> > > > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings

> > > >

> > > > Pemmaraju

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > >

> > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

> > discussing

> > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> > > >

> > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> > > experience

> > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

> > was

> > > > hoping that you will share your experience.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is

what

> I

> > > > wanted to understand.

> > > >

> > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> > > understand

> > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

> > manner,

> > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and

> that

> > of

> > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi

and

> > > then

> > > > starts from 1.

> > > >

> > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> > > >

> > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12

> mins

> > > each

> > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> > > >

> > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > > > fundamental.

> > > >

> > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

> > Nadi

> > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> > > >

> > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can

> share

> > > > your vast experience.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , " Pemmaraju

> V.R.

> > > > Rayudu "

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > > > >

> > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> > > from

> > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

> > (82minutes)

> > > in

> > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

> > after

> > > 6

> > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a

planet

> > is

> > > in

> > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet

will

> > be

> > > in

> > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

> > 150.

> > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in

fixed

> > > rasis

> > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it

> starts

> > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa

in

> > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and

middle

> > one

> > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are

> to

> > be

> > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please

> see

> > my

> > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure

to

> > make

> > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

> > make

> > > > the nadi chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification

useful

> > > to

> > > > you..

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test

this

> > > nadi

> > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer

> program

> > > for

> > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in

the

> > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on

it

> > so

> > > > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > > > >

> > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> > > clockwise

> > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha

(1/60)

> > in

> > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me

yet

> > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

> > Aries

> > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count

anticlockwise

> > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart

> and

> > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

> > divisional

> > > > charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

> > my

> > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as

a

> > > thumb

> > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do

not

> > > claim

> > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me

that

> > they

> > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further

> research

> > > can

> > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this

> method.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for

any

> > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have

put

> > it

> > > in

> > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you

would

> > do

> > > > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this

forum

> > > is

> > > > for KAS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Pemmaraju

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > > > confused

> > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me

if

> I

> > > am

> > > > > wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150

> equal

> > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little

understanding

> I

> > > have

> > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart

> changes

> > > then

> > > > a

> > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

> > charts.

> > > > That

> > > > > can't be equal parts?

> > > > >

> > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra

with

> > KAS

> > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> > > number

> > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all

not

> > > > linear.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on

dividing

> > the

> > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart

v/s

> >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Pemmaraju,

 

I gave some thought to your mail. I have a basic question that came

to my mind.

 

1) What is the use of Nadi the way its used i.e. the way u use it by

dividing it into 150 parts? Is it used for rectification only? or

is there some other use for it? If there are other use what

 

2) What if the birth time is more than 30 mins different than the

original birth date? Can the system be used?

 

3) What is the purpose of Tatwa and Antar tatwa ? What or how does

it help?

 

4) As per this mail you keep mentioning Deva Keralam and Chandra

kala nadi. I havent read those books however in the options given

in JHora the option given as set as per Chandra Kaala Nadi seems to

use unequal divisions and not equal divisions as given by you. So

pardon my ignorance here but there seems to be some difference here

in either the text available or if Deva Keralam or there maybe some

difference in understanding of Chandra Kaala Nadi.

 

5) Why is there a need to create a nadi chart ? What does this nadi

chart do?

 

 

As per the text in JHora it is said that

 

" If your nadi calculation option is set is Chandra Kaala Nadi, then

this will fix the shodasa varga of prasna lagna "

 

So it means that this is similar to what I am saying or similar to

what we are using in KASN.

 

Now if Deva Keralam is using Chandra kaala nadi and u are saying

that Chandra kaala nadi as per Deva Keralam uses equal divisions

then there seems to be some difference in understanding.

 

I do not know if Chandra Kaala Nadi uses equal or unequal

divisions? As per JHora it seems that if option is set to Chandra

Kaala Nadi then its using unequal divisions as we use it.

 

When you get a chance can you please give your opinion and it will

be good learning.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " Pemmaraju V.R.

Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla.

>

> Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful

for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes.

>

> Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at

Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-60

lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform

nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since

Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at

6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60

lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its

name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the

D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here.

> But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all

planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues,

Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both

time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to

be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri

Krushnaji.

>

> Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls

(named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's

sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer

boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen

from same Indian community.

>

> DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23;

ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)08:44

AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone

+5:00, DST:0

>

> As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for

Saranya Pisces 20deg29.

>

> I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets

positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has

not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and

Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should

be same in all respects.

>

> As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I

got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face

and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair

as mother.

>

> (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for

Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with

JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60

lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva

Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi

lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as

per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per

C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also

changed.)

>

>

> So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your

views.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

>

>

> Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> I shall answer in CAPS.

>

> " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health.

>

> Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-

uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are

arrived at from Trimshamsa.

>

> ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM

TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR.

MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL

PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1

RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI.

>

> BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI

CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS

GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW.

>

>

>

> I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get

it?).

>

> HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH

AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING.

>

> I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D

chart should change and I do not know why it is required.

> May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal

charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results.

If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse

Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only.

>

> NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A

PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS.

>

> You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and

said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts

from KAS? Can u please explain further.

>

> YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE

DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND

OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED.

>

> SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE

1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL.

>

> NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT

HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS.

>

> Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I

want to learn it also.

>

> I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND

HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY

STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT

IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE

ARE USING KAS.

>

>

> Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is

correct. This is for discussion sake only.

>

> DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT :). THIS IS A GOOD

DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A

VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST

UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE

ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL

BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING.

> SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE

ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO

NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS

THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME

DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL

12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU

AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

>

>

> Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other

born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will be

in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and

other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects.

>

> ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH

LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA.

>

> TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE

SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR

THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA

CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A

CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE

USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS

AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE

KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME.

> BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT

BE SAME.

>

> But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person

will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be

in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and

other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas

changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different

results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the

Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly,

how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's

Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to

refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly

matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used

> the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly

match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I

think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that

this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken

from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva

nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in

characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is

mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different

combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This may

be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken.

>

> HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN

TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS

PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM?

>

>

> AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE

HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS.

>

> TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS.

>

> SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN

THE POPULATION OF EARTH.

>

> Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

>

> OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS

EATING.

>

> Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this

Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you

can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help

from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji.

>

> YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF

NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS.

>

> I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH

THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY

EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS

IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN

EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE.

>

> Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts.

>

> YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME

INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO

GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES.

>

>

> Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete.

>

> NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT.

PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR

WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND

BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS

THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A

NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND

LAGNA.

>

> Sorry to take your precious time.

>

> MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING.

>

> Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no

hurry.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

> CHEERS !!!

> ASH

>

> ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

>

> I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

>

> However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to

understand.

>

> Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

> This is what you do.

> Select Menu item

> Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

> The option 3 is written there.

> " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will

> fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

> is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of

prasna

> lagna "

> In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

> lagna with Prasna lagna.

> I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

> fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly

> considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that

> Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it.

>

> I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

>

> I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

> chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

> know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

>

> For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as

> per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power

> of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the

get

> all the info there after for example.

>

> If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart

> and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

>

> D1 10

> D2 4

> D3 10

> D4 10

> D7 5

> D9 11

> D10 7

> D12 12

> D16 4

> D20 4

> D24 8

> D27 9

> D30 6

> D40 2

> D45 9

> D60 9

>

> Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might

divide

> a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi

cant

> be linear.

>

> So here Sun is neutral.

>

> So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change.

>

> Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

> Nadi. So here we get

>

> D1 10

> D2 4

> D3 10

> D4 10

> D7 5

> D9 11

> D10 8

> D12 12

> D16 4

> D20 5

> D24 8

> D27 9

> D30 6

> D40 3

> D45 10

> D60 10

>

>

> Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn

> from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and

> D60 change.

>

> Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati

> Nadi.

>

> D1 10

> D2 4

> D3 10

> D4 10

> D7 5

> D9 11

> D10 7

> D12 12

> D16 3

> D20 4

> D24 8

> D27 9

> D30 6

> D40 2

> D45 9

> D60 9

>

> Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

> capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi

> just before.

>

>

> As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

>

> 5 * 60 + 45 = 345

>

> 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

>

> So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per

KAS

> (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system

> Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

>

> so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will

> fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based

> on fixed, movable and dual sign.

>

>

> Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN

>

> For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and

its

> also 31st for KASN.

>

>

> Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

>

> As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as

> per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

>

>

> So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

>

> It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct

> 1800 nadis.

>

> I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

> (irrsepective of where u start it).

>

> Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It

start

> varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

>

> Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual,

movable

> and fixed.

>

> In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but

unequal

> so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna

changes

> in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

> seperate and unique combinations.

> So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

>

>

> I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of

12

> minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on

fixed,

> movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is

the

> theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart

> positions.

>

> Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book

and

> some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu "

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

> explain more.

> >

> > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

> divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the

Tatwa/Antartatwa

> Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

> understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by

D-

> 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150

chart

> and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas

and

> planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example

> lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces.

If

> I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous

mail,

> that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

> would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce

in

> the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give

your

> D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

> >

> > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

> changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

> chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

> would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart

> and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the

> house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and

> its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees

> and position in rasi.

> >

> > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number

> from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart

> and position is known. By the number the lagna position and

degrees

> are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location

> and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this

> sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could

be

> known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different

> vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number

> 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India

> 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for

> Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts

for

> my better understanding.

> >

> > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals

> with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

> >

> > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

> chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

> their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

> interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

> >

> > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

> nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

> positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological

Magazine "

> of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

> nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given

> in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not

> think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at

such

> results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

> >

> > Let me know details.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However

you

> > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size

of

> > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa

is

> > not linear.

> > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions

> > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

> divide

> > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> > divisional charts.

> >

> > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has

> > changed a position in D chart.

> >

> > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

> Horary

> > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

> once

> > that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

> >

> > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

> equal

> > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e.

> > based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

> >

> > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

> charts

> > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12

mins)

> =

> > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal

> > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

> again

> > that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

> >

> > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal

parts

> > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we

are

> > ignoring the 16 D charts?

> >

> > Hence my questions.

> >

> > Please feel free to help me undestand this.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu "

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

> from

> > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

> Late

> > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I

have

> > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

> read

> > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

> Even

> > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My

friend

> > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

> field,

> > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in

his

> > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter,

> than

> > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

> mentioned

> > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this

stage

> > of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> > division itself for interpretation of results.

> > >

> > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts.

> > >

> > > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > >

> > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

> discussing

> > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> > >

> > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> > experience

> > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

> was

> > > hoping that you will share your experience.

> > >

> > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what

I

> > > wanted to understand.

> > >

> > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> > understand

> > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

> manner,

> > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and

that

> of

> > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and

> > then

> > > starts from 1.

> > >

> > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> > >

> > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12

mins

> > each

> > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> > >

> > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > > fundamental.

> > >

> > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

> Nadi

> > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> > >

> > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can

share

> > > your vast experience.

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " Pemmaraju

V.R.

> > > Rayudu "

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > > >

> > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> > from

> > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

> (82minutes)

> > in

> > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

> after

> > 6

> > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet

> is

> > in

> > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will

> be

> > in

> > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > > >

> > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

> 150.

> > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed

> > rasis

> > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it

starts

> > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in

> > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle

> one

> > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are

to

> be

> > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please

see

> my

> > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to

> make

> > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

> make

> > > the nadi chart.

> > > >

> > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful

> > to

> > > you..

> > > >

> > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this

> > nadi

> > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer

program

> > for

> > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the

> > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it

> so

> > > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > > >

> > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> > clockwise

> > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60)

> in

> > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet

> > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

> Aries

> > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise

> > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart

and

> > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

> divisional

> > > charts.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

> my

> > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a

> > thumb

> > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not

> > claim

> > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that

> they

> > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further

research

> > can

> > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this

method.

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any

> > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put

> it

> > in

> > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would

> do

> > > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum

> > is

> > > for KAS.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings

> > > >

> > > > Pemmaraju

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > > confused

> > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if

I

> > am

> > > > wrong.

> > > >

> > > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > > >

> > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150

equal

> > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > > >

> > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > > >

> > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding

I

> > have

> > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart

changes

> > then

> > > a

> > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

> charts.

> > > That

> > > > can't be equal parts?

> > > >

> > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with

> KAS

> > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> > number

> > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not

> > > linear.

> > > >

> > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing

> the

> > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s

>

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Dear Ash,

 

I give below, in same order, whatever I think I know.

 

 

1. Nadi can be used for rectification and to know the general life pattern

also since for each nadi of 12” a life pattern is given.

2. One has to search more nadi patterns and select the nearest suitable

one and rectify

3. The general characteristics of persons born in different tatwas are

given, which can be known by arriving at the suitable tatwas for the birth time.

4. Late Shri Santhanam gave the title of his book ( with 8200 slokas in

three volumes) as “Deva Keralam ( Chandrakala Nadi) giving list of equal nadi

divisions including that of C.G.Rajan, another great nadi reseacher.You have to

ask JHora if they are different.

5. Nadi chart being the subtlest is to know the seed pattern just like

other varga charts show other aspects.

 

It looks that the life, breath, tatwas, nadis, rasis, planets etc are all

interlinked. It is said that a person is supposed to take 21600 breaths per day.

In rasis, 360degrees is equal to 21600”. Each equal nadi of 12’ is further

divided into 4 parts of each 3’ representing brahmins, kshatriyas, vysyas,

sudras (not to mean caste, but the role & characteristics), which is equal to 12

seconds in time, which is equal to Prithvi-Prithvi tatwa. The breath of Ida,

Pingala and Sushumna also seem to come into play.

 

I feel that it is not easy to understand the secrets of Cosmos, Cosmic

Hierachy etc and these can be understood only through Divine Grace, Meditation

and Poorva Punya.

 

Sorry I cannot give better explanation since not much published literature is

available, though it may be in some hands who do not want to share.

 

Blessings

Pemmaraju

 

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

 

I gave some thought to your mail. I have a basic question that came

to my mind.

 

1) What is the use of Nadi the way its used i.e. the way u use it by

dividing it into 150 parts? Is it used for rectification only? or

is there some other use for it? If there are other use what

 

2) What if the birth time is more than 30 mins different than the

original birth date? Can the system be used?

 

3) What is the purpose of Tatwa and Antar tatwa ? What or how does

it help?

 

4) As per this mail you keep mentioning Deva Keralam and Chandra

kala nadi. I havent read those books however in the options given

in JHora the option given as set as per Chandra Kaala Nadi seems to

use unequal divisions and not equal divisions as given by you. So

pardon my ignorance here but there seems to be some difference here

in either the text available or if Deva Keralam or there maybe some

difference in understanding of Chandra Kaala Nadi.

 

5) Why is there a need to create a nadi chart ? What does this nadi

chart do?

 

 

As per the text in JHora it is said that

 

" If your nadi calculation option is set is Chandra Kaala Nadi, then

this will fix the shodasa varga of prasna lagna "

 

So it means that this is similar to what I am saying or similar to

what we are using in KASN.

 

Now if Deva Keralam is using Chandra kaala nadi and u are saying

that Chandra kaala nadi as per Deva Keralam uses equal divisions

then there seems to be some difference in understanding.

 

I do not know if Chandra Kaala Nadi uses equal or unequal

divisions? As per JHora it seems that if option is set to Chandra

Kaala Nadi then its using unequal divisions as we use it.

 

When you get a chance can you please give your opinion and it will

be good learning.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " Pemmaraju V.R.

Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla.

>

> Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful

for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes.

>

> Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at

Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-60

lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform

nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since

Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at

6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60

lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its

name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the

D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here.

> But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all

planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues,

Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both

time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to

be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri

Krushnaji.

>

> Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls

(named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's

sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer

boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen

from same Indian community.

>

> DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23;

ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)08:44

AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone

+5:00, DST:0

>

> As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for

Saranya Pisces 20deg29.

>

> I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets

positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has

not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and

Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should

be same in all respects.

>

> As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I

got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face

and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair

as mother.

>

> (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for

Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with

JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60

lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva

Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi

lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as

per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per

C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also

changed.)

>

>

> So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your

views.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

>

>

> Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> I shall answer in CAPS.

>

> " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health.

>

> Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-

uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are

arrived at from Trimshamsa.

>

> ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM

TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR.

MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL

PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1

RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI.

>

> BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI

CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS

GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW.

>

>

>

> I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get

it?).

>

> HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH

AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING.

>

> I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D

chart should change and I do not know why it is required.

> May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal

charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results.

If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse

Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only.

>

> NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A

PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS.

>

> You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and

said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts

from KAS? Can u please explain further.

>

> YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE

DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND

OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED.

>

> SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE

1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL.

>

> NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT

HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS.

>

> Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I

want to learn it also.

>

> I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND

HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY

STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT

IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE

ARE USING KAS.

>

>

> Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is

correct. This is for discussion sake only.

>

> DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT :). THIS IS A GOOD

DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A

VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST

UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE

ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL

BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING.

> SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE

ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO

NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS

THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME

DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL

12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU

AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

>

>

> Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other

born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will be

in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and

other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects.

>

> ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH

LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA.

>

> TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE

SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR

THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA

CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A

CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE

USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS

AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE

KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME.

> BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT

BE SAME.

>

> But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person

will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be

in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and

other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas

changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different

results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the

Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly,

how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's

Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to

refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly

matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used

> the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly

match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I

think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that

this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken

from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva

nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in

characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is

mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different

combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This may

be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken.

>

> HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN

TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS

PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM?

>

>

> AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE

HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS.

>

> TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS.

>

> SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN

THE POPULATION OF EARTH.

>

> Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

>

> OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS

EATING.

>

> Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this

Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you

can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help

from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji.

>

> YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF

NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS.

>

> I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH

THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY

EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS

IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN

EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE.

>

> Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts.

>

> YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME

INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO

GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES.

>

>

> Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete.

>

> NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT.

PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR

WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND

BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS

THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A

NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND

LAGNA.

>

> Sorry to take your precious time.

>

> MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING.

>

> Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no

hurry.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

> CHEERS !!!

> ASH

>

> ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

>

> I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

>

> However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to

understand.

>

> Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

> This is what you do.

> Select Menu item

> Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

> The option 3 is written there.

> " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will

> fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

> is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of

prasna

> lagna "

> In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

> lagna with Prasna lagna.

> I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

> fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly

> considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that

> Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it.

>

> I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

>

> I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

> chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

> know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

>

> For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as

> per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power

> of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the

get

> all the info there after for example.

>

> If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart

> and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

>

> D1 10

> D2 4

> D3 10

> D4 10

> D7 5

> D9 11

> D10 7

> D12 12

> D16 4

> D20 4

> D24 8

> D27 9

> D30 6

> D40 2

> D45 9

> D60 9

>

> Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might

divide

> a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi

cant

> be linear.

>

> So here Sun is neutral.

>

> So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change.

>

> Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

> Nadi. So here we get

>

> D1 10

> D2 4

> D3 10

> D4 10

> D7 5

> D9 11

> D10 8

> D12 12

> D16 4

> D20 5

> D24 8

> D27 9

> D30 6

> D40 3

> D45 10

> D60 10

>

>

> Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn

> from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and

> D60 change.

>

> Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati

> Nadi.

>

> D1 10

> D2 4

> D3 10

> D4 10

> D7 5

> D9 11

> D10 7

> D12 12

> D16 3

> D20 4

> D24 8

> D27 9

> D30 6

> D40 2

> D45 9

> D60 9

>

> Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

> capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi

> just before.

>

>

> As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

>

> 5 * 60 + 45 = 345

>

> 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

>

> So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per

KAS

> (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system

> Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

>

> so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will

> fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based

> on fixed, movable and dual sign.

>

>

> Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN

>

> For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and

its

> also 31st for KASN.

>

>

> Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

>

> As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as

> per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

>

>

> So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

>

> It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct

> 1800 nadis.

>

> I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

> (irrsepective of where u start it).

>

> Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It

start

> varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

>

> Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual,

movable

> and fixed.

>

> In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but

unequal

> so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna

changes

> in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

> seperate and unique combinations.

> So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

>

>

> I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of

12

> minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on

fixed,

> movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is

the

> theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart

> positions.

>

> Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book

and

> some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu "

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

> explain more.

> >

> > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

> divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the

Tatwa/Antartatwa

> Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

> understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by

D-

> 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150

chart

> and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas

and

> planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example

> lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces.

If

> I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous

mail,

> that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

> would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce

in

> the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give

your

> D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

> >

> > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

> changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

> chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

> would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart

> and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the

> house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and

> its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees

> and position in rasi.

> >

> > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number

> from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart

> and position is known. By the number the lagna position and

degrees

> are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location

> and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this

> sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could

be

> known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different

> vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number

> 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India

> 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for

> Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts

for

> my better understanding.

> >

> > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals

> with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

> >

> > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

> chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

> their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

> interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

> >

> > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

> nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

> positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological

Magazine "

> of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

> nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given

> in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not

> think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at

such

> results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

> >

> > Let me know details.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However

you

> > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size

of

> > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa

is

> > not linear.

> > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions

> > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

> divide

> > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> > divisional charts.

> >

> > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has

> > changed a position in D chart.

> >

> > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

> Horary

> > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

> once

> > that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

> >

> > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

> equal

> > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e.

> > based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

> >

> > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

> charts

> > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12

mins)

> =

> > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal

> > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

> again

> > that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

> >

> > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal

parts

> > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we

are

> > ignoring the 16 D charts?

> >

> > Hence my questions.

> >

> > Please feel free to help me undestand this.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu "

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

> from

> > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

> Late

> > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I

have

> > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

> read

> > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

> Even

> > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My

friend

> > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

> field,

> > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in

his

> > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter,

> than

> > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

> mentioned

> > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this

stage

> > of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> > division itself for interpretation of results.

> > >

> > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts.

> > >

> > > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > >

> > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

> discussing

> > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> > >

> > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> > experience

> > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

> was

> > > hoping that you will share your experience.

> > >

> > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what

I

> > > wanted to understand.

> > >

> > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> > understand

> > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

> manner,

> > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and

that

> of

> > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and

> > then

> > > starts from 1.

> > >

> > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> > >

> > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12

mins

> > each

> > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> > >

> > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > > fundamental.

> > >

> > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

> Nadi

> > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> > >

> > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can

share

> > > your vast experience.

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " Pemmaraju

V.R.

> > > Rayudu "

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > > >

> > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> > from

> > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

> (82minutes)

> > in

> > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

> after

> > 6

> > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet

> is

> > in

> > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will

> be

> > in

> > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > > >

> > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

> 150.

> > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed

> > rasis

> > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it

starts

> > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in

> > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle

> one

> > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are

to

> be

> > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please

see

> my

> > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to

> make

> > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

> make

> > > the nadi chart.

> > > >

> > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful

> > to

> > > you..

> > > >

> > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this

> > nadi

> > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer

program

> > for

> > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the

> > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it

> so

> > > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > > >

> > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> > clockwise

> > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60)

> in

> > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet

> > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

> Aries

> > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise

> > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart

and

> > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

> divisional

> > > charts.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

> my

> > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a

> > thumb

> > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not

> > claim

> > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that

> they

> > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further

research

> > can

> > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this

method.

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any

> > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put

> it

> > in

> > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would

> do

> > > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum

> > is

> > > for KAS.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings

> > > >

> > > > Pemmaraju

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > > confused

> > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if

I

> > am

> > > > wrong.

> > > >

> > > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > > >

> > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150

equal

> > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > > >

> > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > > >

> > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding

I

> > have

> > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart

changes

> > then

> > > a

> > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

> charts.

> > > That

> > > > can't be equal parts?

> > > >

> > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with

> KAS

> > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> > number

> > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not

> > > linear.

> > > >

> > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing

> the

> > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s

>

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Thanks Ash.

I did again and got different D-40s for their diffrerent lagna degrees. So the

nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you send these

unequal division list of nadis and names for my further research vis-a-vis equal

division list?

Blessings

Pemmaraju

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Pemmaraju,

Please ignore this mail. Yes the essense is same. I mis-calculated

the time zone. I got the chart with CDT instead of EST.

 

Ok. Yes, the essense is the same. Here again lagna nadi is

different.

 

 

Twin born at 8:43 AM

 

D1 Pi

D2 Cn

D3 Sc

D4 Vi

D7 Cp

D9 Cp

D10 Ta

D12 Sc

D16 Li

D20 Vi

D24 Sc

D27 Cn

D30 Cp

D40 Sg

D45 Ge

D60 Cn

 

 

Twin Born at 8:44 AM

 

D1 Pi

D2 Cn

D3 Sc

D4 Vi

D7 Cp

D9 Cp

D10 Ta

D12 Sc

D16 Li

D20 Vi

D24 Sc

D27 Cn

D30 Cp

D40 Cp <<

D45 Ge

D60 Cn

 

 

D40 changes here as the lagna nadi changes.

 

So here the planets change houses in D40.

 

Here they are from Sun to Ketu.

 

Sg 2 5 2 3 3 2 3 4 4

Cp 1 4 1 2 2 1 2 3 3

 

Sorry about the confusion.

 

The charts of twins can't be same.

 

Just an observation. The first 2 letters of the name are

also " Sa " .

 

Congratulations to your Wifes Sistes Son on the twins both of which

have 5 sectors of Shani in the D charts.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Pemmaraju,

> I just quickly casted both the charts of the twins, however just

to

> highlight something here.

>

> Check the lagna nadi. Both the lagna nadi has changed.

>

> Lagna Nadi for the elder twin is (8:43 AM)

>

> D1 Ar

> D2 Cn

> D3 Le

> D4 Cn

> D7 Ge

> D9 Cn

> D10 Cn

> D12 Le

> D16 Li

> D20 Sc

> D24 Ta

> D27 Aq

> D30 Sg

> D40 Cn

> D45 Vi

> D60 Pi

>

>

> Lagna nadi for younger twin (8:44 AM)

>

> D1 Ar

> D2 Cn

> D3 Le

> D4 Cn

> D7 Ge

> D9 Cn

> D10 Le <<

> D12 Le

> D16 Li

> D20 Sg <<

> D24 Ta

> D27 Pi <<

> D30 Sg

> D40 Le <<

> D45 Li <<

> D60 Ar <<

>

> I have highlighted the same.

>

> In any case we say that the child's first cry is the time that we

> note.

>

> This mail is to show that Lagna nadi is different and all the

other

> nadi of other planets is same.

>

> This will change everything.

>

> In the same chart that u saw the blue, green, red in Cell K47

change

> the view to House from sign.

>

> You can see the glaring difference. For your convenience i will

> focus on the d charts that are different due to change in lagna

nadi.

>

> For Twin born at 8:43 AM

>

> Divisionals As Su Mo Ma

> Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke

> Dasamsa D10 Cn 1 11 10

6

> 12 3 1 9 3

> Vimsamsa D20 Sc 12 8 9

> 12 11 7 2 6 6

> Bhamsa D27 Aq 11 6 4

2

> 8 8 11 11 5

> Khavedamsa D40 Cn 7 11 7

> 8 8 7 8 9 9

> Akshavedamsa D45 Vi 11 3 5

> 8 10 11 2 11 11

> Shastiamsa D60 Pi 7 8 2

> 7 11 4 6 2 8

>

> For Twin born at 8:44

>

> Divisionals As Su Mo Ma

> Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke

> Dasamsa D10 Le 12 10 9

5

> 11 2 12 8 2

> Vimsamsa D20 Sg 11 7 8

> 11 10 6 1 5 5

> Bhamsa D27 Pi 10 5 3

1

> 7 7 10 10 4

> Khavedamsa D40 Le 6 10 6

> 7 7 6 7 8 8

> Akshavedamsa D45 Li 10 2 4

> 7 9 10 1 10 10

> Shastiamsa D60 Ar 6 7 1

> 6 10 3 5 1 7

>

>

> You can see that the house placement has changed.

>

> I hope you understand the depth of unequal nadi that is used which

> has its grounding in D-Charts.

>

> I have some questions on a few things which I Shall address in

> seperate mail due to lack of time.

>

> Here my intention was just to highlight that you have not

considered

> lagna nadi.

>

> In any case, the time to be noted is the childs first cry. That

is

> very important point especially if u are going into twins which

are

> born very close to each other.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla.

> >

> > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful

> for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes.

> >

> > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at

> Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-

60

> lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform

> nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since

> Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at

> 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60

> lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever

its

> name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed,

the

> D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here.

> > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all

> planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues,

> Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both

> time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is

to

> be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri

> Krushnaji.

> >

> > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls

> (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's

> sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer

> boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen

> from same Indian community.

> >

> > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23;

> ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)

08:44

> AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone

> +5:00, DST:0

> >

> > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for

> Saranya Pisces 20deg29.

> >

> > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets

> positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi

has

> not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and

> Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should

> be same in all respects.

> >

> > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now,

I

> got the photos and phone call information that one is of round

face

> and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not

fair

> as mother.

> >

> > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for

> Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with

> JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60

> lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva

> Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi

> lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi

as

> per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per

> C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also

> changed.)

> >

> >

> > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your

> views.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> >

> > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > I shall answer in CAPS.

> >

> > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health.

> >

> > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-

> uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are

> arrived at from Trimshamsa.

> >

> > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM

> TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE

LINEAR.

> MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL

> PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF

1

> RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI.

> >

> > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE

NADI

> CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS

> GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW.

> >

> >

> >

> > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get

> it?).

> >

> > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH

> AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING.

> >

> > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D

> chart should change and I do not know why it is required.

> > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal

> charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better

results.

> If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse

> Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system

only.

> >

> > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS

A

> PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS.

> >

> > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and

> said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these

charts

> from KAS? Can u please explain further.

> >

> > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE

> DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT

AND

> OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED.

> >

> > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN

SEE

> 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL.

> >

> > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH

THAT

> HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS.

> >

> > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using?

I

> want to learn it also.

> >

> > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND

> HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME

VERY

> STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT

> IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING

WE

> ARE USING KAS.

> >

> >

> > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is

> correct. This is for discussion sake only.

> >

> > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT :). THIS IS A

GOOD

> DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS

A

> VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST

> UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE

> ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL

> BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING.

> > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT

WE

> ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO

> NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS

> THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME

> DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL

> 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU

> AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

> >

> >

> > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other

> born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will

be

> in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60

and

> other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects.

> >

> > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG

WITH

> LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA.

> >

> > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT

BE

> SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR

> THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA

> CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE

A

> CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE

> USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS

> AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH

MORE

> KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME.

> > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT

> BE SAME.

> >

> > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first

person

> will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will

be

> in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and

> other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the

Antartatwas

> changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since

different

> results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the

> Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi

astonishingly,

> how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's

> Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used

to

> refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly

> matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also

used

> > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly

> match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time

(I

> think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere

that

> this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken

> from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi &

Dhruva

> nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change

in

> characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is

> mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different

> combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This

may

> be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken.

> >

> > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN

> TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS

> PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM?

> >

> >

> > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE

> HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS.

> >

> > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS.

> >

> > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE

THAN

> THE POPULATION OF EARTH.

> >

> > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the

eating.

> >

> > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS

> EATING.

> >

> > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this

> Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you

> can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help

> from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji.

> >

> > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE

OF

> NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS.

> >

> > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH

> THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND

EVERY

> EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS

> IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U

CAN

> EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE.

> >

> > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts.

> >

> > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME

> INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE

TO

> GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES.

> >

> >

> > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise

delete.

> >

> > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT.

> PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR

> WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND

> BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS

> THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A

> NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET

AND

> LAGNA.

> >

> > Sorry to take your precious time.

> >

> > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING.

> >

> > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no

> hurry.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> > CHEERS !!!

> > ASH

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> >

> > I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

> >

> > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to

> understand.

> >

> > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

> > This is what you do.

> > Select Menu item

> > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

> > The option 3 is written there.

> > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this

will

> > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

> > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of

> prasna

> > lagna "

> > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

> > lagna with Prasna lagna.

> > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

> > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are

definitly

> > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means

that

> > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted

it.

> >

> > I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

> >

> > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

> > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

> > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

> >

> > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and

as

> > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the

power

> > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the

> get

> > all the info there after for example.

> >

> > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D

chart

> > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

> >

> > D1 10

> > D2 4

> > D3 10

> > D4 10

> > D7 5

> > D9 11

> > D10 7

> > D12 12

> > D16 4

> > D20 4

> > D24 8

> > D27 9

> > D30 6

> > D40 2

> > D45 9

> > D60 9

> >

> > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might

> divide

> > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi

> cant

> > be linear.

> >

> > So here Sun is neutral.

> >

> > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will

change.

> >

> > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

> > Nadi. So here we get

> >

> > D1 10

> > D2 4

> > D3 10

> > D4 10

> > D7 5

> > D9 11

> > D10 8

> > D12 12

> > D16 4

> > D20 5

> > D24 8

> > D27 9

> > D30 6

> > D40 3

> > D45 10

> > D60 10

> >

> >

> > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in

Capricorn

> > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45

and

> > D60 change.

> >

> > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in

Mati

> > Nadi.

> >

> > D1 10

> > D2 4

> > D3 10

> > D4 10

> > D7 5

> > D9 11

> > D10 7

> > D12 12

> > D16 3

> > D20 4

> > D24 8

> > D27 9

> > D30 6

> > D40 2

> > D45 9

> > D60 9

> >

> > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

> > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati

nadi

> > just before.

> >

> >

> > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

> >

> > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345

> >

> > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

> >

> > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per

> KAS

> > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg

system

> > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

> >

> > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it

will

> > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different

based

> > on fixed, movable and dual sign.

> >

> >

> > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and

KASN

> >

> > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and

> its

> > also 31st for KASN.

> >

> >

> > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

> >

> > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but

as

> > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

> >

> >

> > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

> >

> > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and

distinct

> > 1800 nadis.

> >

> > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

> > (irrsepective of where u start it).

> >

> > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It

> start

> > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

> >

> > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual,

> movable

> > and fixed.

> >

> > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but

> unequal

> > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna

> changes

> > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

> > seperate and unique combinations.

> > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

> >

> >

> > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of

> 12

> > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on

> fixed,

> > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is

> the

> > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional

chart

> > positions.

> >

> > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book

> and

> > some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

> > explain more.

> > >

> > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

> > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the

> Tatwa/Antartatwa

> > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

> > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean

by

> D-

> > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150

> chart

> > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas

> and

> > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the

example

> > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces.

> If

> > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous

> mail,

> > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

> > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce

> in

> > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give

> your

> > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

> > >

> > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

> > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

> > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

> > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi

chart

> > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes

the

> > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet

and

> > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its

degrees

> > and position in rasi.

> > >

> > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the

number

> > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional

chart

> > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and

> degrees

> > are known and the planetary position is as on that date,

location

> > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With

this

> > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts

could

> be

> > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in

different

> > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a

number

> > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh,

India

> > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast

for

> > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts

> for

> > my better understanding.

> > >

> > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa

deals

> > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

> > >

> > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

> > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

> > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

> > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

> > >

> > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

> > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

> > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological

> Magazine "

> > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

> > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are

given

> > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do

not

> > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at

> such

> > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

> > >

> > > Let me know details.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However

> you

> > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size

> of

> > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that

Trishansa

> is

> > > not linear.

> > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal

divisions

> > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

> > divide

> > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> > > divisional charts.

> > >

> > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet

has

> > > changed a position in D chart.

> > >

> > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

> > Horary

> > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

> > once

> > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

> > >

> > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

> > equal

> > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you

i.e.

> > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

> > >

> > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

> > charts

> > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12

> mins)

> > =

> > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is

unequal

> > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

> > again

> > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

> > >

> > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal

> parts

> > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we

> are

> > > ignoring the 16 D charts?

> > >

> > > Hence my questions.

> > >

> > > Please feel free to help me undestand this.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " Pemmaraju

V.R.

> > > Rayudu "

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

> > from

> > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

> > Late

> > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I

> have

> > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

> > read

> > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

> > Even

> > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My

> friend

> > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

> > field,

> > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in

> his

> > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this

matter,

> > than

> > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

> > mentioned

> > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this

> stage

> > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> > > division itself for interpretation of results.

> > > >

> > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga

charts.

> > > >

> > > > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings

> > > >

> > > > Pemmaraju

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > >

> > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

> > discussing

> > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> > > >

> > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> > > experience

> > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

> > was

> > > > hoping that you will share your experience.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is

what

> I

> > > > wanted to understand.

> > > >

> > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> > > understand

> > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

> > manner,

> > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and

> that

> > of

> > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi

and

> > > then

> > > > starts from 1.

> > > >

> > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> > > >

> > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12

> mins

> > > each

> > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> > > >

> > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > > > fundamental.

> > > >

> > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

> > Nadi

> > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> > > >

> > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can

> share

> > > > your vast experience.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , " Pemmaraju

> V.R.

> > > > Rayudu "

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > > > >

> > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> > > from

> > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

> > (82minutes)

> > > in

> > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

> > after

> > > 6

> > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a

planet

> > is

> > > in

> > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet

will

> > be

> > > in

> > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

> > 150.

> > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in

fixed

> > > rasis

> > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it

> starts

> > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa

in

> > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and

middle

> > one

> > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are

> to

> > be

> > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please

> see

> > my

> > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure

to

> > make

> > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

> > make

> > > > the nadi chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification

useful

> > > to

> > > > you..

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test

this

> > > nadi

> > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer

> program

> > > for

> > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in

the

> > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on

it

> > so

> > > > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > > > >

> > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> > > clockwise

> > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha

(1/60)

> > in

> > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me

yet

> > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

> > Aries

> > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count

anticlockwise

> > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart

> and

> > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

> > divisional

> > > > charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

> > my

> > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as

a

> > > thumb

> > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do

not

> > > claim

> > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me

that

> > they

> > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further

> research

> > > can

> > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this

> method.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for

any

> > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have

put

> > it

> > > in

> > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you

would

> > do

> > > > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this

forum

> > > is

> > > > for KAS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Pemmaraju

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > > > confused

> > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me

if

> I

> > > am

> > > > > wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150

> equal

> > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little

understanding

> I

> > > have

> > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart

> changes

> > > then

> > > > a

> > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

> > charts.

> > > > That

> > > > > can't be equal parts?

> > > > >

> > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra

with

> > KAS

> > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> > > number

> > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all

not

> > > > linear.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on

dividing

> > the

> > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart

v/s

> >

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> >

> >

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Dear Pemmaraju,

The names of the nadis from what I have learnt so far is the same as

per your website. Only degrees are different. I am in the process

of trying to compute them, however I am not getting enough time.

So once I get them down I shall calculate the same and post it.

Its just some more mechnaical work and that I can ask Krushnaji,

howerver I do not want to do as finding the same manually would be

better for my learning.

After that I can put the same in a program which would make life

easy for all.

I need more time to do the same,

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " Pemmaraju V.R.

Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

>

> Thanks Ash.

> I did again and got different D-40s for their diffrerent lagna

degrees. So the nadis change..How to know the number and name of

these nadis? Can you send these unequal division list of nadis and

names for my further research vis-a-vis equal division list?

> Blessings

> Pemmaraju

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Pemmaraju,

> Please ignore this mail. Yes the essense is same. I mis-

calculated

> the time zone. I got the chart with CDT instead of EST.

>

> Ok. Yes, the essense is the same. Here again lagna nadi is

> different.

>

>

> Twin born at 8:43 AM

>

> D1 Pi

> D2 Cn

> D3 Sc

> D4 Vi

> D7 Cp

> D9 Cp

> D10 Ta

> D12 Sc

> D16 Li

> D20 Vi

> D24 Sc

> D27 Cn

> D30 Cp

> D40 Sg

> D45 Ge

> D60 Cn

>

>

> Twin Born at 8:44 AM

>

> D1 Pi

> D2 Cn

> D3 Sc

> D4 Vi

> D7 Cp

> D9 Cp

> D10 Ta

> D12 Sc

> D16 Li

> D20 Vi

> D24 Sc

> D27 Cn

> D30 Cp

> D40 Cp <<

> D45 Ge

> D60 Cn

>

>

> D40 changes here as the lagna nadi changes.

>

> So here the planets change houses in D40.

>

> Here they are from Sun to Ketu.

>

> Sg 2 5 2 3 3 2 3 4 4

> Cp 1 4 1 2 2 1 2 3 3

>

> Sorry about the confusion.

>

> The charts of twins can't be same.

>

> Just an observation. The first 2 letters of the name are

> also " Sa " .

>

> Congratulations to your Wifes Sistes Son on the twins both of

which

> have 5 sectors of Shani in the D charts.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pemmaraju,

> > I just quickly casted both the charts of the twins, however

just

> to

> > highlight something here.

> >

> > Check the lagna nadi. Both the lagna nadi has changed.

> >

> > Lagna Nadi for the elder twin is (8:43 AM)

> >

> > D1 Ar

> > D2 Cn

> > D3 Le

> > D4 Cn

> > D7 Ge

> > D9 Cn

> > D10 Cn

> > D12 Le

> > D16 Li

> > D20 Sc

> > D24 Ta

> > D27 Aq

> > D30 Sg

> > D40 Cn

> > D45 Vi

> > D60 Pi

> >

> >

> > Lagna nadi for younger twin (8:44 AM)

> >

> > D1 Ar

> > D2 Cn

> > D3 Le

> > D4 Cn

> > D7 Ge

> > D9 Cn

> > D10 Le <<

> > D12 Le

> > D16 Li

> > D20 Sg <<

> > D24 Ta

> > D27 Pi <<

> > D30 Sg

> > D40 Le <<

> > D45 Li <<

> > D60 Ar <<

> >

> > I have highlighted the same.

> >

> > In any case we say that the child's first cry is the time that

we

> > note.

> >

> > This mail is to show that Lagna nadi is different and all the

> other

> > nadi of other planets is same.

> >

> > This will change everything.

> >

> > In the same chart that u saw the blue, green, red in Cell K47

> change

> > the view to House from sign.

> >

> > You can see the glaring difference. For your convenience i will

> > focus on the d charts that are different due to change in lagna

> nadi.

> >

> > For Twin born at 8:43 AM

> >

> > Divisionals As Su Mo Ma

> > Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke

> > Dasamsa D10 Cn 1 11 10

> 6

> > 12 3 1 9 3

> > Vimsamsa D20 Sc 12 8 9

> > 12 11 7 2 6 6

> > Bhamsa D27 Aq 11 6 4

> 2

> > 8 8 11 11 5

> > Khavedamsa D40 Cn 7 11 7

> > 8 8 7 8 9 9

> > Akshavedamsa D45 Vi 11 3 5

> > 8 10 11 2 11 11

> > Shastiamsa D60 Pi 7 8 2

> > 7 11 4 6 2 8

> >

> > For Twin born at 8:44

> >

> > Divisionals As Su Mo Ma

> > Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke

> > Dasamsa D10 Le 12 10 9

> 5

> > 11 2 12 8 2

> > Vimsamsa D20 Sg 11 7 8

> > 11 10 6 1 5 5

> > Bhamsa D27 Pi 10 5 3

> 1

> > 7 7 10 10 4

> > Khavedamsa D40 Le 6 10 6

> > 7 7 6 7 8 8

> > Akshavedamsa D45 Li 10 2 4

> > 7 9 10 1 10 10

> > Shastiamsa D60 Ar 6 7 1

> > 6 10 3 5 1 7

> >

> >

> > You can see that the house placement has changed.

> >

> > I hope you understand the depth of unequal nadi that is used

which

> > has its grounding in D-Charts.

> >

> > I have some questions on a few things which I Shall address in

> > seperate mail due to lack of time.

> >

> > Here my intention was just to highlight that you have not

> considered

> > lagna nadi.

> >

> > In any case, the time to be noted is the childs first cry. That

> is

> > very important point especially if u are going into twins which

> are

> > born very close to each other.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla.

> > >

> > > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more

useful

> > for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes.

> > >

> > > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM

at

> > Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20,

D-

> 60

> > lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-

uniform

> > nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since

> > Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at

> > 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-

60

> > lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever

> its

> > name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed,

> the

> > D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here.

> > > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all

> > planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues,

> > Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for

both

> > time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is

> to

> > be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of

Shri

> > Krushnaji.

> > >

> > > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin

girls

> > (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's

> > sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a

computer

> > boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen

> > from same Indian community.

> > >

> > > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44,

84W23;

> > ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)

> 08:44

> > AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone

> > +5:00, DST:0

> > >

> > > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for

> > Saranya Pisces 20deg29.

> > >

> > > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets

> > positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi

> has

> > not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green

and

> > Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both

should

> > be same in all respects.

> > >

> > > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is

now,

> I

> > got the photos and phone call information that one is of round

> face

> > and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not

> fair

> > as mother.

> > >

> > > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for

> > Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even

with

> > JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-

60

> > lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per

Deva

> > Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi

> > lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi

> as

> > per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per

> > C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also

> > changed.)

> > >

> > >

> > > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know

your

> > views.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > I shall answer in CAPS.

> > >

> > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health.

> > >

> > > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-

> > uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these)

are

> > arrived at from Trimshamsa.

> > >

> > > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED

FROM

> > TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE

> LINEAR.

> > MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL

> > PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS

OF

> 1

> > RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI.

> > >

> > > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE

> NADI

> > CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS

ITS

> > GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to

get

> > it?).

> > >

> > > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF

JYOTISH

> > AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING.

> > >

> > > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D

> > chart should change and I do not know why it is required.

> > > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal

> > charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better

> results.

> > If so then the non uniform division should only be taken.

Ofcourse

> > Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system

> only.

> > >

> > > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS

IS

> A

> > PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS.

> > >

> > > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45

and

> > said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these

> charts

> > from KAS? Can u please explain further.

> > >

> > > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE

> > DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT

> AND

> > OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED.

> > >

> > > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN

> SEE

> > 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL.

> > >

> > > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH

> THAT

> > HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS.

> > >

> > > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are

using?

> I

> > want to learn it also.

> > >

> > > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA,

AND

> > HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME

> VERY

> > STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE

THAT

> > IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING

> WE

> > ARE USING KAS.

> > >

> > >

> > > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is

> > correct. This is for discussion sake only.

> > >

> > > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT :). THIS IS A

> GOOD

> > DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI

IS

> A

> > VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST

> > UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER

SITE

> > ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL

> > BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING.

> > > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT

> WE

> > ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE

DO

> > NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS

IS

> > THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS

SOME

> > DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING

EQUAL

> > 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS

GURU

> > AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

> > >

> > >

> > > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and

other

> > born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will

> be

> > in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60

> and

> > other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects.

> > >

> > > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG

> WITH

> > LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA.

> > >

> > > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS

MIGHT

> BE

> > SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER

OR

> > THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA

> > CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY

BE

> A

> > CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE

ARE

> > USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D

CHARTS

> > AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH

> MORE

> > KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME.

> > > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES

CANT

> > BE SAME.

> > >

> > > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first

> person

> > will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one

will

> be

> > in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and

> > other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the

> Antartatwas

> > changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since

> different

> > results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in

the

> > Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi

> astonishingly,

> > how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my

guru's

> > Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he

used

> to

> > refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly

> > matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also

> used

> > > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to

roughly

> > match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time

> (I

> > think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere

> that

> > this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is

taken

> > from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi &

> Dhruva

> > nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change

> in

> > characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is

> > mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different

> > combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This

> may

> > be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken.

> > >

> > > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN

> > TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS

> > PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM?

> > >

> > >

> > > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS

WE

> > HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS.

> > >

> > > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS.

> > >

> > > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE

> THAN

> > THE POPULATION OF EARTH.

> > >

> > > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the

> eating.

> > >

> > > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN

ITS

> > EATING.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this

> > Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like

you

> > can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the

help

> > from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji.

> > >

> > > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE

> OF

> > NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS.

> > >

> > > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS

WITH

> > THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND

> EVERY

> > EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13

DAYS

> > IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U

> CAN

> > EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE.

> > >

> > > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great

efforts.

> > >

> > > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR

ME

> > INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE

> TO

> > GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES.

> > >

> > >

> > > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise

> delete.

> > >

> > > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT.

> > PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY

OR

> > WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL

AND

> > BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE

IS

> > THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST

A

> > NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET

> AND

> > LAGNA.

> > >

> > > Sorry to take your precious time.

> > >

> > > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING.

> > >

> > > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is

no

> > hurry.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > > CHEERS !!!

> > > ASH

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > >

> > > I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

> > >

> > > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to

> > understand.

> > >

> > > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

> > > This is what you do.

> > > Select Menu item

> > > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

> > > The option 3 is written there.

> > > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this

> will

> > > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

> > > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of

> > prasna

> > > lagna "

> > > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just

replace

> > > lagna with Prasna lagna.

> > > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we

are

> > > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are

> definitly

> > > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means

> that

> > > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have

plotted

> it.

> > >

> > > I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

> > >

> > > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

> > > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet

we

> > > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

> > >

> > > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi

and

> as

> > > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the

> power

> > > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we

the

> > get

> > > all the info there after for example.

> > >

> > > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D

> chart

> > > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

> > >

> > > D1 10

> > > D2 4

> > > D3 10

> > > D4 10

> > > D7 5

> > > D9 11

> > > D10 7

> > > D12 12

> > > D16 4

> > > D20 4

> > > D24 8

> > > D27 9

> > > D30 6

> > > D40 2

> > > D45 9

> > > D60 9

> > >

> > > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might

> > divide

> > > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi

> > cant

> > > be linear.

> > >

> > > So here Sun is neutral.

> > >

> > > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will

> change.

> > >

> > > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

> > > Nadi. So here we get

> > >

> > > D1 10

> > > D2 4

> > > D3 10

> > > D4 10

> > > D7 5

> > > D9 11

> > > D10 8

> > > D12 12

> > > D16 4

> > > D20 5

> > > D24 8

> > > D27 9

> > > D30 6

> > > D40 3

> > > D45 10

> > > D60 10

> > >

> > >

> > > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in

> Capricorn

> > > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45

> and

> > > D60 change.

> > >

> > > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in

> Mati

> > > Nadi.

> > >

> > > D1 10

> > > D2 4

> > > D3 10

> > > D4 10

> > > D7 5

> > > D9 11

> > > D10 7

> > > D12 12

> > > D16 3

> > > D20 4

> > > D24 8

> > > D27 9

> > > D30 6

> > > D40 2

> > > D45 9

> > > D60 9

> > >

> > > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi

in

> > > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati

> nadi

> > > just before.

> > >

> > >

> > > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

> > >

> > > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345

> > >

> > > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

> > >

> > > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as

per

> > KAS

> > > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg

> system

> > > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

> > >

> > > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it

> will

> > > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different

> based

> > > on fixed, movable and dual sign.

> > >

> > >

> > > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and

> KASN

> > >

> > > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi

and

> > its

> > > also 31st for KASN.

> > >

> > >

> > > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

> > >

> > > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but

> as

> > > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

> > >

> > >

> > > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

> > >

> > > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and

> distinct

> > > 1800 nadis.

> > >

> > > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal

parts

> > > (irrsepective of where u start it).

> > >

> > > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It

> > start

> > > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

> > >

> > > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual,

> > movable

> > > and fixed.

> > >

> > > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but

> > unequal

> > > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna

> > changes

> > > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are

1800

> > > seperate and unique combinations.

> > > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

> > >

> > >

> > > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made

of

> > 12

> > > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on

> > fixed,

> > > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that

is

> > the

> > > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional

> chart

> > > positions.

> > >

> > > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a

book

> > and

> > > some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Pemmaraju

V.R.

> > > Rayudu "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

> > > explain more.

> > > >

> > > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

> > > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the

> > Tatwa/Antartatwa

> > > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

> > > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean

> by

> > D-

> > > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150

> > chart

> > > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for

lagnas

> > and

> > > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the

> example

> > > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be

Pisces.

> > If

> > > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous

> > mail,

> > > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the

lagna

> > > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be

differnce

> > in

> > > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give

> > your

> > > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

> > > >

> > > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the

planet

> > > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

> > > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and

planets

> > > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi

> chart

> > > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes

> the

> > > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet

> and

> > > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its

> degrees

> > > and position in rasi.

> > > >

> > > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the

> number

> > > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional

> chart

> > > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and

> > degrees

> > > are known and the planetary position is as on that date,

> location

> > > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With

> this

> > > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts

> could

> > be

> > > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in

> different

> > > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a

> number

> > > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh,

> India

> > > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast

> for

> > > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi

charts

> > for

> > > my better understanding.

> > > >

> > > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa

> deals

> > > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

> > > >

> > > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for

nadi

> > > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as

per

> > > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how

to

> > > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life

pattern.

> > > >

> > > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for

each

> > > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

> > > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological

> > Magazine "

> > > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of

the

> > > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are

> given

> > > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do

> not

> > > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive

at

> > such

> > > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

> > > >

> > > > Let me know details.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings

> > > >

> > > > Pemmaraju

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800.

However

> > you

> > > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal

size

> > of

> > > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that

> Trishansa

> > is

> > > > not linear.

> > > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal

> divisions

> > > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

> > > divide

> > > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> > > > divisional charts.

> > > >

> > > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet

> has

> > > > changed a position in D chart.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application

in

> > > Horary

> > > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi

and

> > > once

> > > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

> > > >

> > > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> > > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into

150

> > > equal

> > > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you

> i.e.

> > > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

> > > >

> > > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

> > > charts

> > > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12

> > mins)

> > > =

> > > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is

> unequal

> > > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

> > > again

> > > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

> > > >

> > > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal

> > parts

> > > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so

we

> > are

> > > > ignoring the 16 D charts?

> > > >

> > > > Hence my questions.

> > > >

> > > > Please feel free to help me undestand this.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , " Pemmaraju

> V.R.

> > > > Rayudu "

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is

derived

> > > from

> > > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of

the

> > > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my

Guru,

> > > Late

> > > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I

> > have

> > > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " .

Please

> > > read

> > > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than

this.

> > > Even

> > > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My

> > friend

> > > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in

this

> > > field,

> > > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only

in

> > his

> > > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this

> matter,

> > > than

> > > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes

arc

> > > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

> > > mentioned

> > > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this

> > stage

> > > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> > > > division itself for interpretation of results.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> > > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga

> charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Pemmaraju

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > > >

> > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

> > > discussing

> > > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> > > > >

> > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> > > > experience

> > > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So

I

> > > was

> > > > > hoping that you will share your experience.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is

> what

> > I

> > > > > wanted to understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> > > > understand

> > > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

> > > manner,

> > > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and

> > that

> > > of

> > > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi

> and

> > > > then

> > > > > starts from 1.

> > > > >

> > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> > > > >

> > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12

> > mins

> > > > each

> > > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > > > > fundamental.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared

about

> > > Nadi

> > > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> > > > >

> > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can

> > share

> > > > > your vast experience.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

, " Pemmaraju

> > V.R.

> > > > > Rayudu "

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each

rasi.

> > > > from

> > > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

> > > (82minutes)

> > > > in

> > > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna

falls

> > > after

> > > > 6

> > > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a

> planet

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet

> will

> > > be

> > > > in

> > > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions

are

> > > 150.

> > > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in

> fixed

> > > > rasis

> > > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it

> > starts

> > > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa

> in

> > > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and

> middle

> > > one

> > > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis

are

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details.

Please

> > see

> > > my

> > > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure

> to

> > > make

> > > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way

to

> > > make

> > > > > the nadi chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification

> useful

> > > > to

> > > > > you..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart

manually.

> > > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test

> this

> > > > nadi

> > > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer

> > program

> > > > for

> > > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in

> the

> > > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented

on

> it

> > > so

> > > > > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> > > > clockwise

> > > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha

> (1/60)

> > > in

> > > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me

> yet

> > > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting

from

> > > Aries

> > > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count

> anticlockwise

> > > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi

chart

> > and

> > > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

> > > divisional

> > > > > charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I

gave

> > > my

> > > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age

as

> a

> > > > thumb

> > > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do

> not

> > > > claim

> > > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me

> that

> > > they

> > > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further

> > research

> > > > can

> > > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this

> > method.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for

> any

> > > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have

> put

> > > it

> > > > in

> > > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you

> would

> > > do

> > > > > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this

> forum

> > > > is

> > > > > for KAS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to

visit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessings

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pemmaraju

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a

bit

> > > > > confused

> > > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct

me

> if

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150

> > equal

> > > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little

> understanding

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart

> > changes

> > > > then

> > > > > a

> > > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

> > > charts.

> > > > > That

> > > > > > can't be equal parts?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra

> with

> > > KAS

> > > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask

a

> > > > number

> > > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all

> not

> > > > > linear.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on

> dividing

> > > the

> > > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart

> v/s

> > >

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Pemmaraju,

Thank you for your mail and replies to my questions. Its

appreciated.

 

Pemmaraju, here I am asking a rherotical questions and it maybe

something that we do not or might not have an answer but I still

need to put the thought on the table.

 

If we are to take a Rasi and divided it into 150 equal parts of 12'

mins arc then it becomes a 150th Divisional chart.

 

We have only been given shodasa or 16 D chart by our Rishis.

 

I do not know if a D150 chart has been written or given anywhere in

any texts?

 

Our Nadi is also based on D-charts that are given by Maharishis and

not a new D chart that is like a new creation, if u know what I

mean.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " Pemmaraju V.R.

Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> I give below, in same order, whatever I think I know.

>

>

> 1. Nadi can be used for rectification and to know the

general life pattern also since for each nadi of 12 " a life pattern

is given.

> 2. One has to search more nadi patterns and select the

nearest suitable one and rectify

> 3. The general characteristics of persons born in different

tatwas are given, which can be known by arriving at the suitable

tatwas for the birth time.

> 4. Late Shri Santhanam gave the title of his book ( with

8200 slokas in three volumes) as " Deva Keralam ( Chandrakala Nadi)

giving list of equal nadi divisions including that of C.G.Rajan,

another great nadi reseacher.You have to ask JHora if they are

different.

> 5. Nadi chart being the subtlest is to know the seed pattern

just like other varga charts show other aspects.

>

> It looks that the life, breath, tatwas, nadis, rasis, planets

etc are all interlinked. It is said that a person is supposed to

take 21600 breaths per day. In rasis, 360degrees is equal to 21600 " .

Each equal nadi of 12' is further divided into 4 parts of each 3'

representing brahmins, kshatriyas, vysyas, sudras (not to mean

caste, but the role & characteristics), which is equal to 12 seconds

in time, which is equal to Prithvi-Prithvi tatwa. The breath of Ida,

Pingala and Sushumna also seem to come into play.

>

> I feel that it is not easy to understand the secrets of Cosmos,

Cosmic Hierachy etc and these can be understood only through Divine

Grace, Meditation and Poorva Punya.

>

> Sorry I cannot give better explanation since not much published

literature is available, though it may be in some hands who do not

want to share.

>

> Blessings

> Pemmaraju

>

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

>

> I gave some thought to your mail. I have a basic question that

came

> to my mind.

>

> 1) What is the use of Nadi the way its used i.e. the way u use it

by

> dividing it into 150 parts? Is it used for rectification only? or

> is there some other use for it? If there are other use what

>

> 2) What if the birth time is more than 30 mins different than the

> original birth date? Can the system be used?

>

> 3) What is the purpose of Tatwa and Antar tatwa ? What or how does

> it help?

>

> 4) As per this mail you keep mentioning Deva Keralam and Chandra

> kala nadi. I havent read those books however in the options given

> in JHora the option given as set as per Chandra Kaala Nadi seems

to

> use unequal divisions and not equal divisions as given by you. So

> pardon my ignorance here but there seems to be some difference

here

> in either the text available or if Deva Keralam or there maybe

some

> difference in understanding of Chandra Kaala Nadi.

>

> 5) Why is there a need to create a nadi chart ? What does this

nadi

> chart do?

>

>

> As per the text in JHora it is said that

>

> " If your nadi calculation option is set is Chandra Kaala Nadi,

then

> this will fix the shodasa varga of prasna lagna "

>

> So it means that this is similar to what I am saying or similar to

> what we are using in KASN.

>

> Now if Deva Keralam is using Chandra kaala nadi and u are saying

> that Chandra kaala nadi as per Deva Keralam uses equal divisions

> then there seems to be some difference in understanding.

>

> I do not know if Chandra Kaala Nadi uses equal or unequal

> divisions? As per JHora it seems that if option is set to Chandra

> Kaala Nadi then its using unequal divisions as we use it.

>

> When you get a chance can you please give your opinion and it will

> be good learning.

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla.

> >

> > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful

> for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes.

> >

> > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at

> Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-

60

> lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform

> nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since

> Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at

> 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60

> lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever

its

> name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed,

the

> D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here.

> > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all

> planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues,

> Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both

> time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is

to

> be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri

> Krushnaji.

> >

> > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls

> (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's

> sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer

> boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen

> from same Indian community.

> >

> > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23;

> ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)

08:44

> AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone

> +5:00, DST:0

> >

> > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for

> Saranya Pisces 20deg29.

> >

> > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets

> positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi

has

> not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and

> Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should

> be same in all respects.

> >

> > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now,

I

> got the photos and phone call information that one is of round

face

> and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not

fair

> as mother.

> >

> > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for

> Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with

> JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60

> lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva

> Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi

> lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi

as

> per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per

> C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also

> changed.)

> >

> >

> > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your

> views.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> >

> > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > I shall answer in CAPS.

> >

> > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health.

> >

> > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-

> uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are

> arrived at from Trimshamsa.

> >

> > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM

> TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE

LINEAR.

> MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL

> PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF

1

> RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI.

> >

> > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE

NADI

> CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS

> GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW.

> >

> >

> >

> > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get

> it?).

> >

> > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH

> AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING.

> >

> > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D

> chart should change and I do not know why it is required.

> > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal

> charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better

results.

> If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse

> Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system

only.

> >

> > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS

A

> PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS.

> >

> > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and

> said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these

charts

> from KAS? Can u please explain further.

> >

> > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE

> DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT

AND

> OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED.

> >

> > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN

SEE

> 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL.

> >

> > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH

THAT

> HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS.

> >

> > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using?

I

> want to learn it also.

> >

> > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND

> HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME

VERY

> STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT

> IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING

WE

> ARE USING KAS.

> >

> >

> > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is

> correct. This is for discussion sake only.

> >

> > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT :). THIS IS A

GOOD

> DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS

A

> VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST

> UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE

> ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL

> BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING.

> > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT

WE

> ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO

> NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS

> THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME

> DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL

> 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU

> AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

> >

> >

> > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other

> born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will

be

> in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60

and

> other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects.

> >

> > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG

WITH

> LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA.

> >

> > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT

BE

> SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR

> THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA

> CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE

A

> CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE

> USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS

> AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH

MORE

> KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME.

> > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT

> BE SAME.

> >

> > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first

person

> will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will

be

> in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and

> other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the

Antartatwas

> changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since

different

> results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the

> Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi

astonishingly,

> how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's

> Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used

to

> refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly

> matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also

used

> > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly

> match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time

(I

> think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere

that

> this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken

> from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi &

Dhruva

> nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change

in

> characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is

> mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different

> combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This

may

> be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken.

> >

> > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN

> TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS

> PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM?

> >

> >

> > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE

> HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS.

> >

> > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS.

> >

> > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE

THAN

> THE POPULATION OF EARTH.

> >

> > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the

eating.

> >

> > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS

> EATING.

> >

> > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this

> Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you

> can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help

> from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji.

> >

> > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE

OF

> NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS.

> >

> > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH

> THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND

EVERY

> EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS

> IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U

CAN

> EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE.

> >

> > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts.

> >

> > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME

> INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE

TO

> GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES.

> >

> >

> > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise

delete.

> >

> > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT.

> PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR

> WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND

> BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS

> THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A

> NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET

AND

> LAGNA.

> >

> > Sorry to take your precious time.

> >

> > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING.

> >

> > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no

> hurry.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> > CHEERS !!!

> > ASH

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> >

> > I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

> >

> > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to

> understand.

> >

> > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

> > This is what you do.

> > Select Menu item

> > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

> > The option 3 is written there.

> > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this

will

> > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

> > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of

> prasna

> > lagna "

> > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

> > lagna with Prasna lagna.

> > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

> > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are

definitly

> > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means

that

> > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted

it.

> >

> > I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

> >

> > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

> > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

> > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

> >

> > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and

as

> > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the

power

> > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the

> get

> > all the info there after for example.

> >

> > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D

chart

> > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

> >

> > D1 10

> > D2 4

> > D3 10

> > D4 10

> > D7 5

> > D9 11

> > D10 7

> > D12 12

> > D16 4

> > D20 4

> > D24 8

> > D27 9

> > D30 6

> > D40 2

> > D45 9

> > D60 9

> >

> > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might

> divide

> > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi

> cant

> > be linear.

> >

> > So here Sun is neutral.

> >

> > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will

change.

> >

> > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

> > Nadi. So here we get

> >

> > D1 10

> > D2 4

> > D3 10

> > D4 10

> > D7 5

> > D9 11

> > D10 8

> > D12 12

> > D16 4

> > D20 5

> > D24 8

> > D27 9

> > D30 6

> > D40 3

> > D45 10

> > D60 10

> >

> >

> > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in

Capricorn

> > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45

and

> > D60 change.

> >

> > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in

Mati

> > Nadi.

> >

> > D1 10

> > D2 4

> > D3 10

> > D4 10

> > D7 5

> > D9 11

> > D10 7

> > D12 12

> > D16 3

> > D20 4

> > D24 8

> > D27 9

> > D30 6

> > D40 2

> > D45 9

> > D60 9

> >

> > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

> > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati

nadi

> > just before.

> >

> >

> > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

> >

> > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345

> >

> > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

> >

> > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per

> KAS

> > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg

system

> > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

> >

> > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it

will

> > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different

based

> > on fixed, movable and dual sign.

> >

> >

> > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and

KASN

> >

> > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and

> its

> > also 31st for KASN.

> >

> >

> > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

> >

> > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but

as

> > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

> >

> >

> > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

> >

> > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and

distinct

> > 1800 nadis.

> >

> > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

> > (irrsepective of where u start it).

> >

> > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It

> start

> > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

> >

> > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual,

> movable

> > and fixed.

> >

> > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but

> unequal

> > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna

> changes

> > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

> > seperate and unique combinations.

> > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

> >

> >

> > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of

> 12

> > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on

> fixed,

> > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is

> the

> > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional

chart

> > positions.

> >

> > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book

> and

> > some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

> > explain more.

> > >

> > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

> > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the

> Tatwa/Antartatwa

> > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

> > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean

by

> D-

> > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150

> chart

> > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas

> and

> > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the

example

> > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces.

> If

> > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous

> mail,

> > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

> > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce

> in

> > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give

> your

> > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

> > >

> > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

> > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

> > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

> > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi

chart

> > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes

the

> > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet

and

> > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its

degrees

> > and position in rasi.

> > >

> > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the

number

> > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional

chart

> > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and

> degrees

> > are known and the planetary position is as on that date,

location

> > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With

this

> > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts

could

> be

> > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in

different

> > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a

number

> > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh,

India

> > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast

for

> > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts

> for

> > my better understanding.

> > >

> > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa

deals

> > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

> > >

> > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

> > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

> > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

> > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

> > >

> > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

> > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

> > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological

> Magazine "

> > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

> > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are

given

> > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do

not

> > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at

> such

> > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

> > >

> > > Let me know details.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However

> you

> > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size

> of

> > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that

Trishansa

> is

> > > not linear.

> > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal

divisions

> > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

> > divide

> > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> > > divisional charts.

> > >

> > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet

has

> > > changed a position in D chart.

> > >

> > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

> > Horary

> > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

> > once

> > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

> > >

> > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

> > equal

> > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you

i.e.

> > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

> > >

> > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

> > charts

> > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12

> mins)

> > =

> > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is

unequal

> > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

> > again

> > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

> > >

> > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal

> parts

> > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we

> are

> > > ignoring the 16 D charts?

> > >

> > > Hence my questions.

> > >

> > > Please feel free to help me undestand this.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " Pemmaraju

V.R.

> > > Rayudu "

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

> > from

> > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

> > Late

> > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I

> have

> > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

> > read

> > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

> > Even

> > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My

> friend

> > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

> > field,

> > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in

> his

> > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this

matter,

> > than

> > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

> > mentioned

> > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this

> stage

> > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> > > division itself for interpretation of results.

> > > >

> > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga

charts.

> > > >

> > > > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings

> > > >

> > > > Pemmaraju

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > >

> > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

> > discussing

> > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> > > >

> > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> > > experience

> > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

> > was

> > > > hoping that you will share your experience.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is

what

> I

> > > > wanted to understand.

> > > >

> > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> > > understand

> > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

> > manner,

> > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and

> that

> > of

> > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi

and

> > > then

> > > > starts from 1.

> > > >

> > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> > > >

> > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12

> mins

> > > each

> > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> > > >

> > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > > > fundamental.

> > > >

> > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

> > Nadi

> > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> > > >

> > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can

> share

> > > > your vast experience.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , " Pemmaraju

> V.R.

> > > > Rayudu "

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > > > >

> > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> > > from

> > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

> > (82minutes)

> > > in

> > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

> > after

> > > 6

> > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a

planet

> > is

> > > in

> > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet

will

> > be

> > > in

> > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

> > 150.

> > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in

fixed

> > > rasis

> > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it

> starts

> > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa

in

> > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and

middle

> > one

> > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are

> to

> > be

> > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please

> see

> > my

> > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure

to

> > make

> > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

> > make

> > > > the nadi chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification

useful

> > > to

> > > > you..

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test

this

> > > nadi

> > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer

> program

> > > for

> > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in

the

> > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on

it

> > so

> > > > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > > > >

> > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> > > clockwise

> > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha

(1/60)

> > in

> > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me

yet

> > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

> > Aries

> > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count

anticlockwise

> > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart

> and

> > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

> > divisional

> > > > charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

> > my

> > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as

a

> > > thumb

> > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do

not

> > > claim

> > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me

that

> > they

> > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further

> research

> > > can

> > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this

> method.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for

any

> > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have

put

> > it

> > > in

> > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you

would

> > do

> > > > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this

forum

> > > is

> > > > for KAS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Pemmaraju

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > > > confused

> > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me

if

> I

> > > am

> > > > > wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150

> equal

> > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little

understanding

> I

> > > have

> > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart

> changes

> > > then

> > > > a

> > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

> > charts.

> > > > That

> > > > > can't be equal parts?

> > > > >

> > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra

with

> > KAS

> > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> > > number

> > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all

not

> > > > linear.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on

dividing

> > the

> > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart

v/s

> >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

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> So

> the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you

> send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further

> research vis-a-vis equal division list?

 

 

 

Dear Pemmaraju,

 

Fyi, only program which shows Nadis, ruler of Nadis and index (as far as I know)

is JHL version 7.03. There is no practical difference between this version and

7.02, except this Nadi adition.

 

As far as I know, Nadi division was taken from Chandra Kala Nadi.

 

Also, this version is not released officially, but was there 7-8 months ago

available for some time (I do not not if it is still available). I can send 7.03

upgrade to those who are interested.

 

all the best,

Dadhi

 

 

 

 

 

-

Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu

Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:07 PM

Re: Re: Nadi and KAS - Details (KASN)

 

 

Thanks Ash.

I did again and got different D-40s for their diffrerent lagna degrees. So

the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you send

these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further research vis-a-vis

equal division list?

Blessings

Pemmaraju

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Pemmaraju,

Please ignore this mail. Yes the essense is same. I mis-calculated

the time zone. I got the chart with CDT instead of EST.

 

Ok. Yes, the essense is the same. Here again lagna nadi is

different.

 

 

Twin born at 8:43 AM

 

D1 Pi

D2 Cn

D3 Sc

D4 Vi

D7 Cp

D9 Cp

D10 Ta

D12 Sc

D16 Li

D20 Vi

D24 Sc

D27 Cn

D30 Cp

D40 Sg

D45 Ge

D60 Cn

 

 

Twin Born at 8:44 AM

 

D1 Pi

D2 Cn

D3 Sc

D4 Vi

D7 Cp

D9 Cp

D10 Ta

D12 Sc

D16 Li

D20 Vi

D24 Sc

D27 Cn

D30 Cp

D40 Cp <<

D45 Ge

D60 Cn

 

 

D40 changes here as the lagna nadi changes.

 

So here the planets change houses in D40.

 

Here they are from Sun to Ketu.

 

Sg 2 5 2 3 3 2 3 4 4

Cp 1 4 1 2 2 1 2 3 3

 

Sorry about the confusion.

 

The charts of twins can't be same.

 

Just an observation. The first 2 letters of the name are

also " Sa " .

 

Congratulations to your Wifes Sistes Son on the twins both of which

have 5 sectors of Shani in the D charts.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Dadhi,

Thank you very much for your reply.

 

I have JHora 7.02. It does not give the list of nadis with different non

uniform durations of nadis and names. It refers to Chandrakala nadi for unequal

non unifroim nadis. I do not know whether Chandrakala nadi refers to non unifrom

nadis. or unifrom nadis of each 12' arc..

Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can check whether this

information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis and names are given in this

program.

 

Ash replied that he will be doing this list of non unifrom nadis and names in

due course as time permits.

 

Blessings

 

Pemmaraju

 

 

Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote:

 

> So

> the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you

> send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further

> research vis-a-vis equal division list?

 

 

 

Dear Pemmaraju,

 

Fyi, only program which shows Nadis, ruler of Nadis and index (as far as I know)

is JHL version 7.03. There is no practical difference between this version and

7.02, except this Nadi adition.

 

As far as I know, Nadi division was taken from Chandra Kala Nadi.

 

Also, this version is not released officially, but was there 7-8 months ago

available for some time (I do not not if it is still available). I can send 7.03

upgrade to those who are interested.

 

all the best,

Dadhi

 

 

 

 

 

-

Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu

Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:07 PM

Re: Re: Nadi and KAS - Details (KASN)

 

 

Thanks Ash.

I did again and got different D-40s for their diffrerent lagna degrees. So

the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you send

these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further research vis-a-vis

equal division list?

Blessings

Pemmaraju

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Pemmaraju,

Please ignore this mail. Yes the essense is same. I mis-calculated

the time zone. I got the chart with CDT instead of EST.

 

Ok. Yes, the essense is the same. Here again lagna nadi is

different.

 

 

Twin born at 8:43 AM

 

D1 Pi

D2 Cn

D3 Sc

D4 Vi

D7 Cp

D9 Cp

D10 Ta

D12 Sc

D16 Li

D20 Vi

D24 Sc

D27 Cn

D30 Cp

D40 Sg

D45 Ge

D60 Cn

 

 

Twin Born at 8:44 AM

 

D1 Pi

D2 Cn

D3 Sc

D4 Vi

D7 Cp

D9 Cp

D10 Ta

D12 Sc

D16 Li

D20 Vi

D24 Sc

D27 Cn

D30 Cp

D40 Cp <<

D45 Ge

D60 Cn

 

 

D40 changes here as the lagna nadi changes.

 

So here the planets change houses in D40.

 

Here they are from Sun to Ketu.

 

Sg 2 5 2 3 3 2 3 4 4

Cp 1 4 1 2 2 1 2 3 3

 

Sorry about the confusion.

 

The charts of twins can't be same.

 

Just an observation. The first 2 letters of the name are

also " Sa " .

 

Congratulations to your Wifes Sistes Son on the twins both of which

have 5 sectors of Shani in the D charts.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

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You are right Ash, that usual D-150 chart with equal divisions or Nadi chart

with equal divisions as proposed by me in my web site or another of making

Nadi chart with non-unifrom divisions are not given in any standard texts ( and

so in Jhora also!). It is a new creation. Even Sage Jaimini did more research (

Meditation !) and proposed more rules in continuation of Parasara theories..

Many others later on formulated many rules based on their research, observation,

experience etc. But, as you know ,research goes on and engineers like us with

much analytical background and understanding the basic principle of divisions

should do something to go into the subtlest , most Shooshma level , trends than

roaming in Sthoola and Shushma spheres, pertaining to the present modern life

trends and the forthcoming future trends of life style.

 

Do not worry, go on working with Meditation ,with Satwik pattern of life

style, and Prayers ,you will know the secrets. As I told you earlier that

yougsters like you only can bring the glory again of this ancient subject. As

far I live, as far as my health permits and as far as I know , I will try to

help you in your research endeavurs. Ofcourse, Shri Krushnaji is there to help

u.

 

All the best.

 

Blessings

 

Pemmaraju

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Pemmaraju,

Thank you for your mail and replies to my questions. Its

appreciated.

 

Pemmaraju, here I am asking a rherotical questions and it maybe

something that we do not or might not have an answer but I still

need to put the thought on the table.

 

If we are to take a Rasi and divided it into 150 equal parts of 12'

mins arc then it becomes a 150th Divisional chart.

 

We have only been given shodasa or 16 D chart by our Rishis.

 

I do not know if a D150 chart has been written or given anywhere in

any texts?

 

Our Nadi is also based on D-charts that are given by Maharishis and

not a new D chart that is like a new creation, if u know what I

mean.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " Pemmaraju V.R.

Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> I give below, in same order, whatever I think I know.

>

>

> 1. Nadi can be used for rectification and to know the

general life pattern also since for each nadi of 12 " a life pattern

is given.

> 2. One has to search more nadi patterns and select the

nearest suitable one and rectify

> 3. The general characteristics of persons born in different

tatwas are given, which can be known by arriving at the suitable

tatwas for the birth time.

> 4. Late Shri Santhanam gave the title of his book ( with

8200 slokas in three volumes) as " Deva Keralam ( Chandrakala Nadi)

giving list of equal nadi divisions including that of C.G.Rajan,

another great nadi reseacher.You have to ask JHora if they are

different.

> 5. Nadi chart being the subtlest is to know the seed pattern

just like other varga charts show other aspects.

>

> It looks that the life, breath, tatwas, nadis, rasis, planets

etc are all interlinked. It is said that a person is supposed to

take 21600 breaths per day. In rasis, 360degrees is equal to 21600 " .

Each equal nadi of 12' is further divided into 4 parts of each 3'

representing brahmins, kshatriyas, vysyas, sudras (not to mean

caste, but the role & characteristics), which is equal to 12 seconds

in time, which is equal to Prithvi-Prithvi tatwa. The breath of Ida,

Pingala and Sushumna also seem to come into play.

>

> I feel that it is not easy to understand the secrets of Cosmos,

Cosmic Hierachy etc and these can be understood only through Divine

Grace, Meditation and Poorva Punya.

>

> Sorry I cannot give better explanation since not much published

literature is available, though it may be in some hands who do not

want to share.

>

> Blessings

> Pemmaraju

>

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

>

> I gave some thought to your mail. I have a basic question that

came

> to my mind.

>

> 1) What is the use of Nadi the way its used i.e. the way u use it

by

> dividing it into 150 parts? Is it used for rectification only? or

> is there some other use for it? If there are other use what

>

> 2) What if the birth time is more than 30 mins different than the

> original birth date? Can the system be used?

>

> 3) What is the purpose of Tatwa and Antar tatwa ? What or how does

> it help?

>

> 4) As per this mail you keep mentioning Deva Keralam and Chandra

> kala nadi. I havent read those books however in the options given

> in JHora the option given as set as per Chandra Kaala Nadi seems

to

> use unequal divisions and not equal divisions as given by you. So

> pardon my ignorance here but there seems to be some difference

here

> in either the text available or if Deva Keralam or there maybe

some

> difference in understanding of Chandra Kaala Nadi.

>

> 5) Why is there a need to create a nadi chart ? What does this

nadi

> chart do?

>

>

> As per the text in JHora it is said that

>

> " If your nadi calculation option is set is Chandra Kaala Nadi,

then

> this will fix the shodasa varga of prasna lagna "

>

> So it means that this is similar to what I am saying or similar to

> what we are using in KASN.

>

> Now if Deva Keralam is using Chandra kaala nadi and u are saying

> that Chandra kaala nadi as per Deva Keralam uses equal divisions

> then there seems to be some difference in understanding.

>

> I do not know if Chandra Kaala Nadi uses equal or unequal

> divisions? As per JHora it seems that if option is set to Chandra

> Kaala Nadi then its using unequal divisions as we use it.

>

> When you get a chance can you please give your opinion and it will

> be good learning.

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla.

> >

> > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful

> for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes.

> >

> > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at

> Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-

60

> lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform

> nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since

> Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at

> 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60

> lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever

its

> name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed,

the

> D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here.

> > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all

> planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues,

> Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both

> time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is

to

> be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri

> Krushnaji.

> >

> > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls

> (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's

> sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer

> boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen

> from same Indian community.

> >

> > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23;

> ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)

08:44

> AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone

> +5:00, DST:0

> >

> > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for

> Saranya Pisces 20deg29.

> >

> > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets

> positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi

has

> not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and

> Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should

> be same in all respects.

> >

> > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now,

I

> got the photos and phone call information that one is of round

face

> and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not

fair

> as mother.

> >

> > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for

> Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with

> JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60

> lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva

> Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi

> lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi

as

> per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per

> C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also

> changed.)

> >

> >

> > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your

> views.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> >

> >

> > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > I shall answer in CAPS.

> >

> > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health.

> >

> > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-

> uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are

> arrived at from Trimshamsa.

> >

> > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM

> TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE

LINEAR.

> MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL

> PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF

1

> RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI.

> >

> > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE

NADI

> CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS

> GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW.

> >

> >

> >

> > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get

> it?).

> >

> > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH

> AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING.

> >

> > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D

> chart should change and I do not know why it is required.

> > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal

> charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better

results.

> If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse

> Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system

only.

> >

> > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS

A

> PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS.

> >

> > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and

> said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these

charts

> from KAS? Can u please explain further.

> >

> > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE

> DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT

AND

> OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED.

> >

> > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN

SEE

> 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL.

> >

> > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH

THAT

> HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS.

> >

> > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using?

I

> want to learn it also.

> >

> > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND

> HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME

VERY

> STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT

> IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING

WE

> ARE USING KAS.

> >

> >

> > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is

> correct. This is for discussion sake only.

> >

> > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT :). THIS IS A

GOOD

> DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS

A

> VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST

> UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE

> ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL

> BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING.

> > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT

WE

> ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO

> NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS

> THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME

> DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL

> 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU

> AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE.

> >

> >

> > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other

> born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will

be

> in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60

and

> other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects.

> >

> > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG

WITH

> LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA.

> >

> > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT

BE

> SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR

> THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA

> CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE

A

> CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE

> USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS

> AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH

MORE

> KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME.

> > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT

> BE SAME.

> >

> > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first

person

> will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will

be

> in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and

> other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the

Antartatwas

> changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since

different

> results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the

> Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi

astonishingly,

> how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's

> Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used

to

> refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly

> matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also

used

> > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly

> match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time

(I

> think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere

that

> this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken

> from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi &

Dhruva

> nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change

in

> characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is

> mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different

> combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This

may

> be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken.

> >

> > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN

> TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS

> PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM?

> >

> >

> > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE

> HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS.

> >

> > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS.

> >

> > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE

THAN

> THE POPULATION OF EARTH.

> >

> > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the

eating.

> >

> > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS

> EATING.

> >

> > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this

> Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you

> can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help

> from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji.

> >

> > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE

OF

> NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS.

> >

> > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH

> THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND

EVERY

> EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS

> IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U

CAN

> EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE.

> >

> > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts.

> >

> > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME

> INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE

TO

> GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES.

> >

> >

> > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise

delete.

> >

> > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT.

> PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR

> WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND

> BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS

> THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A

> NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET

AND

> LAGNA.

> >

> > Sorry to take your precious time.

> >

> > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING.

> >

> > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no

> hurry.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pemmaraju

> >

> > CHEERS !!!

> > ASH

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> >

> > I am very tired today and not feeling too well.

> >

> > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to

> understand.

> >

> > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation.

> > This is what you do.

> > Select Menu item

> > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen.

> > The option 3 is written there.

> > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this

will

> > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option

> > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of

> prasna

> > lagna "

> > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace

> > lagna with Prasna lagna.

> > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are

> > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are

definitly

> > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means

that

> > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted

it.

> >

> > I think u will understand what I am trying to say.

> >

> > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi

> > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we

> > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa.

> >

> > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and

as

> > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the

power

> > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the

> get

> > all the info there after for example.

> >

> > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D

chart

> > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart.

> >

> > D1 10

> > D2 4

> > D3 10

> > D4 10

> > D7 5

> > D9 11

> > D10 7

> > D12 12

> > D16 4

> > D20 4

> > D24 8

> > D27 9

> > D30 6

> > D40 2

> > D45 9

> > D60 9

> >

> > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might

> divide

> > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi

> cant

> > be linear.

> >

> > So here Sun is neutral.

> >

> > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will

change.

> >

> > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala

> > Nadi. So here we get

> >

> > D1 10

> > D2 4

> > D3 10

> > D4 10

> > D7 5

> > D9 11

> > D10 8

> > D12 12

> > D16 4

> > D20 5

> > D24 8

> > D27 9

> > D30 6

> > D40 3

> > D45 10

> > D60 10

> >

> >

> > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in

Capricorn

> > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45

and

> > D60 change.

> >

> > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in

Mati

> > Nadi.

> >

> > D1 10

> > D2 4

> > D3 10

> > D4 10

> > D7 5

> > D9 11

> > D10 7

> > D12 12

> > D16 3

> > D20 4

> > D24 8

> > D27 9

> > D30 6

> > D40 2

> > D45 9

> > D60 9

> >

> > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in

> > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati

nadi

> > just before.

> >

> >

> > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in

> >

> > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345

> >

> > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi

> >

> > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per

> KAS

> > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg

system

> > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi.

> >

> > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it

will

> > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different

based

> > on fixed, movable and dual sign.

> >

> >

> > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and

KASN

> >

> > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and

> its

> > also 31st for KASN.

> >

> >

> > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries.

> >

> > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but

as

> > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi.

> >

> >

> > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga.

> >

> > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and

distinct

> > 1800 nadis.

> >

> > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts

> > (irrsepective of where u start it).

> >

> > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It

> start

> > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts.

> >

> > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual,

> movable

> > and fixed.

> >

> > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but

> unequal

> > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna

> changes

> > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800

> > seperate and unique combinations.

> > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa.

> >

> >

> > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of

> 12

> > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on

> fixed,

> > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is

> the

> > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional

chart

> > positions.

> >

> > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book

> and

> > some people plagrised his works after learning from him.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Pemmaraju V.R.

> > Rayudu "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please

> > explain more.

> > >

> > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal

> > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the

> Tatwa/Antartatwa

> > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I

> > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean

by

> D-

> > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150

> chart

> > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas

> and

> > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the

example

> > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces.

> If

> > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous

> mail,

> > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna

> > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce

> in

> > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give

> your

> > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article.

> > >

> > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet

> > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi

> > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets

> > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi

chart

> > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes

the

> > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet

and

> > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its

degrees

> > and position in rasi.

> > >

> > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the

number

> > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional

chart

> > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and

> degrees

> > are known and the planetary position is as on that date,

location

> > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With

this

> > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts

could

> be

> > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in

different

> > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a

number

> > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh,

India

> > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast

for

> > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts

> for

> > my better understanding.

> > >

> > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa

deals

> > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs.

> > >

> > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi

> > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per

> > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to

> > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern.

> > >

> > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each

> > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary

> > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological

> Magazine "

> > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the

> > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are

given

> > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do

not

> > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at

> such

> > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart.

> > >

> > > Let me know details.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > Pemmaraju

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However

> you

> > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size

> of

> > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that

Trishansa

> is

> > > not linear.

> > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal

divisions

> > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and

> > divide

> > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the

> > > divisional charts.

> > >

> > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet

has

> > > changed a position in D chart.

> > >

> > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in

> > Horary

> > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and

> > once

> > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position.

> > >

> > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to

> > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150

> > equal

> > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you

i.e.

> > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign.

> > >

> > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional

> > charts

> > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12

> mins)

> > =

> > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is

unequal

> > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And

> > again

> > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts.

> > >

> > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal

> parts

> > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we

> are

> > > ignoring the 16 D charts?

> > >

> > > Hence my questions.

> > >

> > > Please feel free to help me undestand this.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " Pemmaraju

V.R.

> > > Rayudu "

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived

> > from

> > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the

> > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru,

> > Late

> > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I

> have

> > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please

> > read

> > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this.

> > Even

> > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My

> friend

> > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this

> > field,

> > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in

> his

> > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this

matter,

> > than

> > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc

> > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have

> > mentioned

> > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this

> stage

> > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal

> > > division itself for interpretation of results.

> > > >

> > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results

> > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga

charts.

> > > >

> > > > I will help you whatever I know so far.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings

> > > >

> > > > Pemmaraju

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > >

> > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by

> > discussing

> > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only.

> > > >

> > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have

> > > experience

> > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I

> > was

> > > > hoping that you will share your experience.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is

what

> I

> > > > wanted to understand.

> > > >

> > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also

> > > understand

> > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise

> > manner,

> > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and

> that

> > of

> > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi

and

> > > then

> > > > starts from 1.

> > > >

> > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150

> > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1

> > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75.

> > > >

> > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12

> mins

> > > each

> > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800.

> > > >

> > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the

> > > > fundamental.

> > > >

> > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about

> > Nadi

> > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis?

> > > >

> > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can

> share

> > > > your vast experience.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , " Pemmaraju

> V.R.

> > > > Rayudu "

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website.

> > > > >

> > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi.

> > > from

> > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes

> > (82minutes)

> > > in

> > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls

> > after

> > > 6

> > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a

planet

> > is

> > > in

> > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet

will

> > be

> > > in

> > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are

> > 150.

> > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in

fixed

> > > rasis

> > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it

> starts

> > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the

> > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa

in

> > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and

middle

> > one

> > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are

> to

> > be

> > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please

> see

> > my

> > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure

to

> > make

> > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to

> > make

> > > > the nadi chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification

useful

> > > to

> > > > you..

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually.

> > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test

this

> > > nadi

> > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer

> program

> > > for

> > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in

the

> > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on

it

> > so

> > > > far since nobody is interested in research.

> > > > >

> > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count

> > > clockwise

> > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha

(1/60)

> > in

> > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me

yet

> > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from

> > Aries

> > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count

anticlockwise

> > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart

> and

> > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in

> > divisional

> > > > charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave

> > my

> > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as

a

> > > thumb

> > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do

not

> > > claim

> > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me

that

> > they

> > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further

> research

> > > can

> > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this

> method.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for

any

> > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have

put

> > it

> > > in

> > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you

would

> > do

> > > > further research and revive this great ancient science.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this

forum

> > > is

> > > > for KAS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Pemmaraju

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju,

> > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit

> > > > confused

> > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me

if

> I

> > > am

> > > > > wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150

> equal

> > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi?

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little

understanding

> I

> > > have

> > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart

> changes

> > > then

> > > > a

> > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional

> > charts.

> > > > That

> > > > > can't be equal parts?

> > > > >

> > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra

with

> > KAS

> > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a

> > > number

> > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all

not

> > > > linear.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on

dividing

> > the

> > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart

v/s

> >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Pemmaraju,

 

 

> Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can check

> whether this information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis and

> names are given in this program.

 

 

Sorry, I have realized (too late) that the file is really huge. It is 99 Mb. It

is not update as I thought, but complete JHL version.

 

I'll try to place this file on some WEB site and let you know asap.

 

all the best,

Dadhi

 

 

-

Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu

Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:46 PM

Re: Re: Nadi and KAS - Details (KASN)

 

 

Dear Dadhi,

Thank you very much for your reply.

 

I have JHora 7.02. It does not give the list of nadis with different non

uniform durations of nadis and names. It refers to Chandrakala nadi for unequal

non unifroim nadis. I do not know whether Chandrakala nadi refers to non unifrom

nadis. or unifrom nadis of each 12' arc..

Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can check whether

this information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis and names are given in

this program.

 

Ash replied that he will be doing this list of non unifrom nadis and names

in due course as time permits.

 

Blessings

 

Pemmaraju

 

 

Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote:

 

> So

> the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you

> send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further

> research vis-a-vis equal division list?

 

 

 

Dear Pemmaraju,

 

Fyi, only program which shows Nadis, ruler of Nadis and index (as far as I

know) is JHL version 7.03. There is no practical difference between this version

and 7.02, except this Nadi adition.

 

As far as I know, Nadi division was taken from Chandra Kala Nadi.

 

Also, this version is not released officially, but was there 7-8 months ago

available for some time (I do not not if it is still available). I can send 7.03

upgrade to those who are interested.

 

all the best,

Dadhi

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Greetings Pemmaraju and Dadhi,

 

I am not familiar with the use of uniform or non-uniform nadis, but

there is a JHora 7.03 that offers the options of calculating both

[according to Chandra Kala Nadi, and Sanjay Rath's method as well].

You can download it here-

 

http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tmp/jh703.zip

 

Download it and extract it in your JHora bin folder, it will

automatically replace your JHora.exe file, so if you want to keep this

file you need to back it up in another folder. Now when you start

JHora you should see 7.03 at the startup screen instead of 7.02.

The nadi options will be under " preferences " , " calculations " ,

" divisional chart calculations " .

 

Peace and Blessings,

olusanya

 

 

, " Dadhi " <denis.

dumancic wrote:

>

> Dear Pemmaraju,

>

>

> > Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can

check

> > whether this information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis

and

> > names are given in this program.

>

>

> Sorry, I have realized (too late) that the file is really huge. It

is 99 Mb. It is not update as I thought, but complete JHL version.

>

> I'll try to place this file on some WEB site and let you know asap.

>

> all the best,

> Dadhi

>

>

> -

> Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu

>

> Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:46 PM

> Re: Re: Nadi and KAS - Details

(KASN)

>

>

> Dear Dadhi,

> Thank you very much for your reply.

>

> I have JHora 7.02. It does not give the list of nadis with

different non uniform durations of nadis and names. It refers to

Chandrakala nadi for unequal non unifroim nadis. I do not know whether

Chandrakala nadi refers to non unifrom nadis. or unifrom nadis of each

12' arc..

> Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can

check whether this information of list of duratron of non uniform

nadis and names are given in this program.

>

> Ash replied that he will be doing this list of non unifrom

nadis and names in due course as time permits.

>

> Blessings

>

> Pemmaraju

>

>

> Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote:

>

> > So

> > the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these

nadis? Can you

> > send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my

further

> > research vis-a-vis equal division list?

>

>

>

> Dear Pemmaraju,

>

> Fyi, only program which shows Nadis, ruler of Nadis and index (as

far as I know) is JHL version 7.03. There is no practical difference

between this version and 7.02, except this Nadi adition.

>

> As far as I know, Nadi division was taken from Chandra Kala Nadi.

>

> Also, this version is not released officially, but was there 7-8

months ago available for some time (I do not not if it is still

available). I can send 7.03 upgrade to those who are interested.

>

> all the best,

> Dadhi

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Dadhi,

 

Thank you.

I saw mail from somebody ( may be olu...) to me refering your reply to me and

giving some link for jhora7,03. Unfortunately it got deleted.

 

Hope it will be in your inbox. Please check it.Please forward it to me..

 

Blessings

Pemmaraju

 

Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote:

Dear Pemmaraju,

 

 

> Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can check

> whether this information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis and

> names are given in this program.

 

 

Sorry, I have realized (too late) that the file is really huge. It is 99 Mb. It

is not update as I thought, but complete JHL version.

 

I'll try to place this file on some WEB site and let you know asap.

 

all the best,

Dadhi

 

 

-

Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu

Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:46 PM

Re: Re: Nadi and KAS - Details (KASN)

 

 

Dear Dadhi,

Thank you very much for your reply.

 

I have JHora 7.02. It does not give the list of nadis with different non

uniform durations of nadis and names. It refers to Chandrakala nadi for unequal

non unifroim nadis. I do not know whether Chandrakala nadi refers to non unifrom

nadis. or unifrom nadis of each 12' arc..

Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can check whether

this information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis and names are given in

this program.

 

Ash replied that he will be doing this list of non unifrom nadis and names

in due course as time permits.

 

Blessings

 

Pemmaraju

 

 

Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote:

 

> So

> the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you

> send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further

> research vis-a-vis equal division list?

 

 

 

Dear Pemmaraju,

 

Fyi, only program which shows Nadis, ruler of Nadis and index (as far as I

know) is JHL version 7.03. There is no practical difference between this version

and 7.02, except this Nadi adition.

 

As far as I know, Nadi division was taken from Chandra Kala Nadi.

 

Also, this version is not released officially, but was there 7-8 months ago

available for some time (I do not not if it is still available). I can send 7.03

upgrade to those who are interested.

 

all the best,

Dadhi

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Pemmaraju,

 

Fortunately, I have found un upgrade file from 7.02 to 7.03 of JHL. I can send

you this upgrade. Since it is about 1Mb, I could not send it on this conference

( does not accept attached files bigger than 1Mb).

 

I can send it to your e-mail address, if you have one ansd is not address.

 

all the best,

Dadhi

 

 

 

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Thank you Dadhi.

 

I have other email addresses pvrrayudu and

pvrrayudu

I do not know whether they can take >1MB attachment.I am not a computer

boy,Please check and send.

 

As I told you, somebody sent me recently some link of jhora to get to 7.3

version under the same subject as reply to my mail in this forum itself giving

instructions to what to do further, unfortunately I deleted it by mistake .

Have you got that mail in your inbox in this forum? If so please forward it.

 

Sorry for giving trouble.

Blessings

Pemmaraju

 

Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote:

Dear Pemmaraju,

 

Fortunately, I have found un upgrade file from 7.02 to 7.03 of JHL. I can send

you this upgrade. Since it is about 1Mb, I could not send it on this conference

( does not accept attached files bigger than 1Mb).

 

I can send it to your e-mail address, if you have one ansd is not address.

 

all the best,

Dadhi

 

 

 

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Hi

 

I checked two softwares JHora 7.03 and Parashara's Light 6.1. Both give Nadi's

.. Parashara's Light Software seems to be in-line with Chandra Kala Nadi (Dever

Kalam). JHora 7.03 is giving me different Nadiamsa for some in a given birth

chart.

 

One Catch, Parashara's Light doesn't give Asc's Nadiamsa, But have to be

manually caluculated.

 

Thanks

-Venkat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

Thank you Dadhi.

 

I have other email addresses pvrrayudu and

pvrrayudu

I do not know whether they can take >1MB attachment.I am not a computer

boy,Please check and send.

 

As I told you, somebody sent me recently some link of jhora to get to 7.3

version under the same subject as reply to my mail in this forum itself giving

instructions to what to do further, unfortunately I deleted it by mistake .

Have you got that mail in your inbox in this forum? If so please forward it.

 

Sorry for giving trouble.

Blessings

Pemmaraju

 

Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote:

Dear Pemmaraju,

 

Fortunately, I have found un upgrade file from 7.02 to 7.03 of JHL. I can send

you this upgrade. Since it is about 1Mb, I could not send it on this conference

( does not accept attached files bigger than 1Mb).

 

I can send it to your e-mail address, if you have one ansd is not address.

 

all the best,

Dadhi

 

 

 

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Dear Venkat,

I have not understood your statement that Jhora7.03 is giving you different

nadiamsas for some in a given chart. I have Jhora 7.03. It gives different

D-charts for different numbers from 1 to 1800 in Prasna for Uniform or

NonUniform nadiamsas.It does not give in which nadi amsa the lagna or the

planets fall. It does not give the list of the NonUniform nadi amsas, of course

the Uniform nadi amsas are each of 12' duration for all the 150 nadi amsas in a

sign of30 degrees.

Please clarify.

Blessings

Pemmaraju Rayudu

 

True Sunny <truesunny2002 wrote:

Hi

 

I checked two softwares JHora 7.03 and Parashara's Light 6.1. Both give Nadi's

.. Parashara's Light Software seems to be in-line with Chandra Kala Nadi (Dever

Kalam). JHora 7.03 is giving me different Nadiamsa for some in a given birth

chart.

 

One Catch, Parashara's Light doesn't give Asc's Nadiamsa, But have to be

manually caluculated.

 

Thanks

-Venkat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote:

Thank you Dadhi.

 

I have other email addresses pvrrayudu and

pvrrayudu

I do not know whether they can take >1MB attachment.I am not a computer

boy,Please check and send.

 

As I told you, somebody sent me recently some link of jhora to get to 7.3

version under the same subject as reply to my mail in this forum itself giving

instructions to what to do further, unfortunately I deleted it by mistake .

Have you got that mail in your inbox in this forum? If so please forward it.

 

Sorry for giving trouble.

Blessings

Pemmaraju

 

Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote:

Dear Pemmaraju,

 

Fortunately, I have found un upgrade file from 7.02 to 7.03 of JHL. I can send

you this upgrade. Since it is about 1Mb, I could not send it on this conference

( does not accept attached files bigger than 1Mb).

 

I can send it to your e-mail address, if you have one ansd is not address.

 

all the best,

Dadhi

 

 

 

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