Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, I am very tired today and not feeling too well. However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand. Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. This is what you do. Select Menu item Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. The option 3 is written there. " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna lagna " In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace lagna with Prasna lagna. I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. I think u will understand what I am trying to say. I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get all the info there after for example. If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 7 D12 12 D16 4 D20 4 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 2 D45 9 D60 9 Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant be linear. So here Sun is neutral. So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala Nadi. So here we get D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 8 D12 12 D16 4 D20 5 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 3 D45 10 D60 10 Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and D60 change. Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati Nadi. D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 7 D12 12 D16 3 D20 4 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 2 D45 9 D60 9 Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi just before. As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based on fixed, movable and dual sign. Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its also 31st for KASN. Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct 1800 nadis. I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts (irrsepective of where u start it). Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable and fixed. In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 seperate and unique combinations. So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12 minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed, movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart positions. Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and some people plagrised his works after learning from him. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please explain more. > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D- 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail, that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees and position in rasi. > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for my better understanding. > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine " of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > Let me know details. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is > not linear. > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and divide > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > divisional charts. > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > changed a position in D chart. > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in Horary > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and once > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 equal > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional charts > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins) = > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And again > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > Hence my questions. > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived from > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, Late > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please read > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. Even > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this field, > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, than > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have mentioned > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by discussing > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > experience > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I was > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I > > wanted to understand. > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > understand > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise manner, > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that of > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > then > > starts from 1. > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins > each > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > fundamental. > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about Nadi > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share > > your vast experience. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > from > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes (82minutes) > in > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls after > 6 > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet is > in > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will be > in > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are 150. > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > rasis > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle one > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to be > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see my > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to make > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to make > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > to > > you.. > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > nadi > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program > for > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it so > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > clockwise > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) in > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from Aries > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in divisional > > charts. > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave my > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > thumb > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > claim > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that they > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research > can > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put it > in > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would do > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > is > > for KAS. > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > confused > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I > am > > > wrong. > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I > have > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes > then > > a > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional charts. > > That > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with KAS > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > number > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > linear. > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing the > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s > > > considering 16 D charts and a planet changing signs? > > > > > > This will be useful for strengthening my basics on dwelving > deeper > > > into Astrology. > > > > > > Please reply at your convenience as I have embarked on my > journey > > to > > > go much deeper in to KAS and its application and sharing your > vast > > > knowledge will help me. > > > > > > I went through your site and timed most of the charts on > marriage > > on > > > your website and most of them are in line with KAS. I want to > > thank > > > u for sharing such data to the world for their studies. > > > > > > For those who would like to visit Pemmaraju's very nice website > > can > > > visit > > > > > > http://www.rayuduastrology.com/ > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 My God! Ash, you should not have taken trouble in replying when you are tired and not well. I know that the enthusiam at your age would be like that only, but you should be careful about your health also. I will study it later on slowly the relation between equal /non-equal divisions of nadis vis-a-vis tatwas/antar tatwas durations. Meanwhile if possible please send the non-equal list of nadis as per KAS to relate them to tatwas.. Blessings Pemmaraju ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, I am very tired today and not feeling too well. However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand. Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. This is what you do. Select Menu item Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. The option 3 is written there. " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna lagna " In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace lagna with Prasna lagna. I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. I think u will understand what I am trying to say. I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get all the info there after for example. If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 7 D12 12 D16 4 D20 4 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 2 D45 9 D60 9 Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant be linear. So here Sun is neutral. So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala Nadi. So here we get D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 8 D12 12 D16 4 D20 5 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 3 D45 10 D60 10 Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and D60 change. Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati Nadi. D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 7 D12 12 D16 3 D20 4 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 2 D45 9 D60 9 Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi just before. As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based on fixed, movable and dual sign. Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its also 31st for KASN. Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct 1800 nadis. I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts (irrsepective of where u start it). Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable and fixed. In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 seperate and unique combinations. So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12 minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed, movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart positions. Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and some people plagrised his works after learning from him. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please explain more. > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D- 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail, that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees and position in rasi. > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for my better understanding. > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine " of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > Let me know details. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is > not linear. > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and divide > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > divisional charts. > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > changed a position in D chart. > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in Horary > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and once > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 equal > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional charts > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins) = > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And again > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > Hence my questions. > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived from > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, Late > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please read > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. Even > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this field, > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, than > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have mentioned > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by discussing > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > experience > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I was > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I > > wanted to understand. > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > understand > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise manner, > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that of > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > then > > starts from 1. > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins > each > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > fundamental. > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about Nadi > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share > > your vast experience. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > from > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes (82minutes) > in > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls after > 6 > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet is > in > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will be > in > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are 150. > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > rasis > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle one > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to be > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see my > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to make > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to make > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > to > > you.. > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > nadi > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program > for > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it so > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > clockwise > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) in > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from Aries > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in divisional > > charts. > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave my > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > thumb > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > claim > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that they > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research > can > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put it > in > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would do > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > is > > for KAS. > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > confused > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I > am > > > wrong. > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I > have > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes > then > > a > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional charts. > > That > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with KAS > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > number > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > linear. > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing the > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s > > > considering 16 D charts and a planet changing signs? > > > > > > This will be useful for strengthening my basics on dwelving > deeper > > > into Astrology. > > > > > > Please reply at your convenience as I have embarked on my > journey > > to > > > go much deeper in to KAS and its application and sharing your > vast > > > knowledge will help me. > > > > > > I went through your site and timed most of the charts on > marriage > > on > > > your website and most of them are in line with KAS. I want to > > thank > > > u for sharing such data to the world for their studies. > > > > > > For those who would like to visit Pemmaraju's very nice website > > can > > > visit > > > > > > http://www.rayuduastrology.com/ > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Dear Ash, Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health. Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are arrived at from Trimshamsa. I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get it?). I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D chart should change and I do not know why it is required. May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results. If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only. You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts from KAS? Can u please explain further. Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I want to learn it also. Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is correct. This is for discussion sake only. Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12’ and other born after one minute with Lagna 27’. As per KAS nadi, both will be in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects. But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly, how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru’s Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one’s last birth Karma. This may be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken. Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji. Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts. Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete. Sorry to take your precious time. Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no hurry. Blessings Pemmaraju ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, I am very tired today and not feeling too well. However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand. Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. This is what you do. Select Menu item Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. The option 3 is written there. " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna lagna " In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace lagna with Prasna lagna. I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. I think u will understand what I am trying to say. I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get all the info there after for example. If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 7 D12 12 D16 4 D20 4 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 2 D45 9 D60 9 Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant be linear. So here Sun is neutral. So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala Nadi. So here we get D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 8 D12 12 D16 4 D20 5 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 3 D45 10 D60 10 Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and D60 change. Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati Nadi. D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 7 D12 12 D16 3 D20 4 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 2 D45 9 D60 9 Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi just before. As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based on fixed, movable and dual sign. Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its also 31st for KASN. Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct 1800 nadis. I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts (irrsepective of where u start it). Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable and fixed. In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 seperate and unique combinations. So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12 minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed, movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart positions. Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and some people plagrised his works after learning from him. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please explain more. > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D- 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail, that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees and position in rasi. > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for my better understanding. > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine " of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > Let me know details. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is > not linear. > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and divide > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > divisional charts. > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > changed a position in D chart. > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in Horary > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and once > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 equal > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional charts > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins) = > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And again > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > Hence my questions. > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived from > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, Late > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please read > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. Even > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this field, > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, than > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have mentioned > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by discussing > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > experience > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I was > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I > > wanted to understand. > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > understand > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise manner, > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that of > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > then > > starts from 1. > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins > each > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > fundamental. > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about Nadi > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share > > your vast experience. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > from > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes (82minutes) > in > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls after > 6 > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet is > in > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will be > in > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are 150. > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > rasis > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle one > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to be > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see my > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to make > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to make > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > to > > you.. > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > nadi > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program > for > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it so > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > clockwise > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) in > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from Aries > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in divisional > > charts. > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave my > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > thumb > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > claim > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that they > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research > can > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put it > in > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would do > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > is > > for KAS. > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > confused > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I > am > > > wrong. > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I > have > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes > then > > a > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional charts. > > That > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with KAS > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > number > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > linear. > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing the > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s > > > considering 16 D charts and a planet changing signs? > > > > > > This will be useful for strengthening my basics on dwelving > deeper > > > into Astrology. > > > > > > Please reply at your convenience as I have embarked on my > journey > > to > > > go much deeper in to KAS and its application and sharing your > vast > > > knowledge will help me. > > > > > > I went through your site and timed most of the charts on > marriage > > on > > > your website and most of them are in line with KAS. I want to > > thank > > > u for sharing such data to the world for their studies. > > > > > > For those who would like to visit Pemmaraju's very nice website > > can > > > visit > > > > > > http://www.rayuduastrology.com/ > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, I shall answer in CAPS. " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: Dear Ash, Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health. Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are arrived at from Trimshamsa. ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR. MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI. BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW. I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get it?). HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING. I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D chart should change and I do not know why it is required. May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results. If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only. NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS. You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts from KAS? Can u please explain further. YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED. SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL. NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS. Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I want to learn it also. I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE ARE USING KAS. Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is correct. This is for discussion sake only. DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT . THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING. SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE. Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12’ and other born after one minute with Lagna 27’. As per KAS nadi, both will be in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects. ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA. TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME. BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT BE SAME. But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly, how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru’s Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one’s last birth Karma. This may be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken. HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM? AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS. TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS. SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN THE POPULATION OF EARTH. Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS EATING. Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji. YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS. I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE. Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts. YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES. Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete. NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND LAGNA. Sorry to take your precious time. MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING. Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no hurry. Blessings Pemmaraju CHEERS !!! ASH ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, I am very tired today and not feeling too well. However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand. Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. This is what you do. Select Menu item Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. The option 3 is written there. " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna lagna " In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace lagna with Prasna lagna. I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. I think u will understand what I am trying to say. I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get all the info there after for example. If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 7 D12 12 D16 4 D20 4 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 2 D45 9 D60 9 Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant be linear. So here Sun is neutral. So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala Nadi. So here we get D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 8 D12 12 D16 4 D20 5 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 3 D45 10 D60 10 Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and D60 change. Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati Nadi. D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 7 D12 12 D16 3 D20 4 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 2 D45 9 D60 9 Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi just before. As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based on fixed, movable and dual sign. Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its also 31st for KASN. Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct 1800 nadis. I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts (irrsepective of where u start it). Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable and fixed. In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 seperate and unique combinations. So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12 minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed, movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart positions. Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and some people plagrised his works after learning from him. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please explain more. > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D- 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail, that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees and position in rasi. > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for my better understanding. > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine " of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > Let me know details. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is > not linear. > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and divide > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > divisional charts. > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > changed a position in D chart. > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in Horary > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and once > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 equal > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional charts > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins) = > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And again > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > Hence my questions. > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived from > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, Late > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please read > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. Even > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this field, > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, than > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have mentioned > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by discussing > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > experience > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I was > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I > > wanted to understand. > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > understand > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise manner, > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that of > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > then > > starts from 1. > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins > each > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > fundamental. > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about Nadi > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share > > your vast experience. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > from > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes (82minutes) > in > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls after > 6 > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet is > in > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will be > in > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are 150. > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > rasis > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle one > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to be > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see my > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to make > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to make > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > to > > you.. > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > nadi > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program > for > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it so > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > clockwise > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) in > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from Aries > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in divisional > > charts. > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave my > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > thumb > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > claim > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that they > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research > can > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put it > in > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would do > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > is > > for KAS. > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > confused > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I > am > > > wrong. > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I > have > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes > then > > a > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional charts. > > That > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with KAS > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > number > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > linear. > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing the > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s === message truncated === Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Dear Ash, Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla. Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes. Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-60 lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60 lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here. But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues, Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri Krushnaji. Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife’s sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen from same Indian community. DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23; ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)08:44 AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone +5:00, DST:0 As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for Saranya Pisces 20deg29. I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should be same in all respects. As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair as mother. (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60 lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also changed.) So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your views. Blessings Pemmaraju Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, I shall answer in CAPS. " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: Dear Ash, Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health. Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non-uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are arrived at from Trimshamsa. ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR. MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI. BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW. I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get it?). HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING. I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D chart should change and I do not know why it is required. May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results. If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only. NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS. You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts from KAS? Can u please explain further. YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED. SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL. NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS. Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I want to learn it also. I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE ARE USING KAS. Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is correct. This is for discussion sake only. DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT . THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING. SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE. Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12’ and other born after one minute with Lagna 27’. As per KAS nadi, both will be in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects. ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA. TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME. BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT BE SAME. But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly, how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru’s Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one’s last birth Karma. This may be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken. HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM? AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS. TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS. SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN THE POPULATION OF EARTH. Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS EATING. Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji. YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS. I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE. Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts. YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES. Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete. NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND LAGNA. Sorry to take your precious time. MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING. Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no hurry. Blessings Pemmaraju CHEERS !!! ASH ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, I am very tired today and not feeling too well. However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand. Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. This is what you do. Select Menu item Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. The option 3 is written there. " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna lagna " In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace lagna with Prasna lagna. I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. I think u will understand what I am trying to say. I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get all the info there after for example. If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 7 D12 12 D16 4 D20 4 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 2 D45 9 D60 9 Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant be linear. So here Sun is neutral. So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala Nadi. So here we get D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 8 D12 12 D16 4 D20 5 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 3 D45 10 D60 10 Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and D60 change. Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati Nadi. D1 10 D2 4 D3 10 D4 10 D7 5 D9 11 D10 7 D12 12 D16 3 D20 4 D24 8 D27 9 D30 6 D40 2 D45 9 D60 9 Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi just before. As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based on fixed, movable and dual sign. Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its also 31st for KASN. Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct 1800 nadis. I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts (irrsepective of where u start it). Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable and fixed. In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 seperate and unique combinations. So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12 minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed, movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart positions. Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and some people plagrised his works after learning from him. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please explain more. > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D- 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail, that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees and position in rasi. > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for my better understanding. > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine " of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > Let me know details. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is > not linear. > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and divide > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > divisional charts. > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > changed a position in D chart. > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in Horary > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and once > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 equal > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional charts > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins) = > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And again > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > Hence my questions. > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived from > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, Late > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please read > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. Even > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this field, > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, than > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have mentioned > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by discussing > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > experience > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I was > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I > > wanted to understand. > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > understand > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise manner, > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that of > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > then > > starts from 1. > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins > each > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > fundamental. > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about Nadi > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share > > your vast experience. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > from > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes (82minutes) > in > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls after > 6 > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet is > in > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will be > in > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are 150. > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > rasis > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle one > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to be > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see my > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to make > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to make > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > to > > you.. > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > nadi > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program > for > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it so > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > clockwise > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) in > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from Aries > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in divisional > > charts. > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave my > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > thumb > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > claim > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that they > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research > can > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put it > in > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would do > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > is > > for KAS. > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > confused > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I > am > > > wrong. > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I > have > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes > then > > a > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional charts. > > That > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with KAS > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > number > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > linear. > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing the > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s === message truncated === Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, We are using time of birth when the child first cries. These times u have given is it recorded when the child cried or when the umbinical chord was cut? Can you first please confirm this? Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla. > > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes. > > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-60 lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60 lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here. > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues, Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri Krushnaji. > > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen from same Indian community. > > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23; ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)08:44 AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone +5:00, DST:0 > > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for Saranya Pisces 20deg29. > > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should be same in all respects. > > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair as mother. > > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60 lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also changed.) > > > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your views. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > > > Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > I shall answer in CAPS. > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health. > > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non- uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are arrived at from Trimshamsa. > > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR. MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI. > > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW. > > > > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get it?). > > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING. > > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D chart should change and I do not know why it is required. > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results. If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only. > > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS. > > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts from KAS? Can u please explain further. > > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED. > > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL. > > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS. > > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I want to learn it also. > > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE ARE USING KAS. > > > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is correct. This is for discussion sake only. > > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT . THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING. > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will be in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects. > > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA. > > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME. > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT BE SAME. > > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly, how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This may be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken. > > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM? > > > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS. > > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS. > > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN THE POPULATION OF EARTH. > > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. > > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS EATING. > > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji. > > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS. > > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE. > > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts. > > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES. > > > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete. > > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND LAGNA. > > Sorry to take your precious time. > > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING. > > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no hurry. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > CHEERS !!! > ASH > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > I am very tired today and not feeling too well. > > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand. > > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. > This is what you do. > Select Menu item > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. > The option 3 is written there. > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna > lagna " > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace > lagna with Prasna lagna. > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. > > I think u will understand what I am trying to say. > > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. > > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get > all the info there after for example. > > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. > > D1 10 > D2 4 > D3 10 > D4 10 > D7 5 > D9 11 > D10 7 > D12 12 > D16 4 > D20 4 > D24 8 > D27 9 > D30 6 > D40 2 > D45 9 > D60 9 > > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant > be linear. > > So here Sun is neutral. > > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. > > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala > Nadi. So here we get > > D1 10 > D2 4 > D3 10 > D4 10 > D7 5 > D9 11 > D10 8 > D12 12 > D16 4 > D20 5 > D24 8 > D27 9 > D30 6 > D40 3 > D45 10 > D60 10 > > > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and > D60 change. > > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati > Nadi. > > D1 10 > D2 4 > D3 10 > D4 10 > D7 5 > D9 11 > D10 7 > D12 12 > D16 3 > D20 4 > D24 8 > D27 9 > D30 6 > D40 2 > D45 9 > D60 9 > > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi > just before. > > > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in > > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 > > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi > > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. > > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based > on fixed, movable and dual sign. > > > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN > > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its > also 31st for KASN. > > > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. > > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. > > > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. > > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct > 1800 nadis. > > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts > (irrsepective of where u start it). > > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. > > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable > and fixed. > > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 > seperate and unique combinations. > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. > > > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12 > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed, > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart > positions. > > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and > some people plagrised his works after learning from him. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please > explain more. > > > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D- > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail, > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees > and position in rasi. > > > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees > are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for > my better understanding. > > > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine " > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > > > Let me know details. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is > > not linear. > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and > divide > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > > divisional charts. > > > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > > changed a position in D chart. > > > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in > Horary > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and > once > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 > equal > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional > charts > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins) > = > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And > again > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are > > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > > > Hence my questions. > > > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived > from > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, > Late > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please > read > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. > Even > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this > field, > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, > than > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have > mentioned > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by > discussing > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > > experience > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I > was > > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I > > > wanted to understand. > > > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > > understand > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise > manner, > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that > of > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > > then > > > starts from 1. > > > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins > > each > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > > fundamental. > > > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about > Nadi > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share > > > your vast experience. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > > Rayudu " > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > > from > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes > (82minutes) > > in > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls > after > > 6 > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet > is > > in > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will > be > > in > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are > 150. > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > > rasis > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle > one > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to > be > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see > my > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to > make > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to > make > > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > > to > > > you.. > > > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > > nadi > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program > > for > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it > so > > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > > clockwise > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) > in > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from > Aries > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in > divisional > > > charts. > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave > my > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > > thumb > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > > claim > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that > they > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research > > can > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put > it > > in > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would > do > > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > > is > > > for KAS. > > > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > > confused > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I > > am > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I > > have > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes > > then > > > a > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional > charts. > > > That > > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with > KAS > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > > number > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > > linear. > > > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing > the > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s > > === message truncated === > > > > > Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, I just quickly casted both the charts of the twins, however just to highlight something here. Check the lagna nadi. Both the lagna nadi has changed. Lagna Nadi for the elder twin is (8:43 AM) D1 Ar D2 Cn D3 Le D4 Cn D7 Ge D9 Cn D10 Cn D12 Le D16 Li D20 Sc D24 Ta D27 Aq D30 Sg D40 Cn D45 Vi D60 Pi Lagna nadi for younger twin (8:44 AM) D1 Ar D2 Cn D3 Le D4 Cn D7 Ge D9 Cn D10 Le << D12 Le D16 Li D20 Sg << D24 Ta D27 Pi << D30 Sg D40 Le << D45 Li << D60 Ar << I have highlighted the same. In any case we say that the child's first cry is the time that we note. This mail is to show that Lagna nadi is different and all the other nadi of other planets is same. This will change everything. In the same chart that u saw the blue, green, red in Cell K47 change the view to House from sign. You can see the glaring difference. For your convenience i will focus on the d charts that are different due to change in lagna nadi. For Twin born at 8:43 AM Divisionals As Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke Dasamsa D10 Cn 1 11 10 6 12 3 1 9 3 Vimsamsa D20 Sc 12 8 9 12 11 7 2 6 6 Bhamsa D27 Aq 11 6 4 2 8 8 11 11 5 Khavedamsa D40 Cn 7 11 7 8 8 7 8 9 9 Akshavedamsa D45 Vi 11 3 5 8 10 11 2 11 11 Shastiamsa D60 Pi 7 8 2 7 11 4 6 2 8 For Twin born at 8:44 Divisionals As Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke Dasamsa D10 Le 12 10 9 5 11 2 12 8 2 Vimsamsa D20 Sg 11 7 8 11 10 6 1 5 5 Bhamsa D27 Pi 10 5 3 1 7 7 10 10 4 Khavedamsa D40 Le 6 10 6 7 7 6 7 8 8 Akshavedamsa D45 Li 10 2 4 7 9 10 1 10 10 Shastiamsa D60 Ar 6 7 1 6 10 3 5 1 7 You can see that the house placement has changed. I hope you understand the depth of unequal nadi that is used which has its grounding in D-Charts. I have some questions on a few things which I Shall address in seperate mail due to lack of time. Here my intention was just to highlight that you have not considered lagna nadi. In any case, the time to be noted is the childs first cry. That is very important point especially if u are going into twins which are born very close to each other. Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla. > > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes. > > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-60 lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60 lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here. > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues, Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri Krushnaji. > > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen from same Indian community. > > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23; ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)08:44 AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone +5:00, DST:0 > > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for Saranya Pisces 20deg29. > > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should be same in all respects. > > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair as mother. > > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60 lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also changed.) > > > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your views. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > > > Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > I shall answer in CAPS. > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health. > > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non- uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are arrived at from Trimshamsa. > > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR. MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI. > > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW. > > > > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get it?). > > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING. > > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D chart should change and I do not know why it is required. > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results. If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only. > > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS. > > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts from KAS? Can u please explain further. > > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED. > > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL. > > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS. > > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I want to learn it also. > > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE ARE USING KAS. > > > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is correct. This is for discussion sake only. > > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT . THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING. > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will be in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects. > > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA. > > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME. > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT BE SAME. > > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly, how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This may be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken. > > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM? > > > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS. > > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS. > > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN THE POPULATION OF EARTH. > > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. > > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS EATING. > > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji. > > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS. > > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE. > > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts. > > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES. > > > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete. > > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND LAGNA. > > Sorry to take your precious time. > > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING. > > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no hurry. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > CHEERS !!! > ASH > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > I am very tired today and not feeling too well. > > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand. > > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. > This is what you do. > Select Menu item > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. > The option 3 is written there. > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna > lagna " > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace > lagna with Prasna lagna. > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. > > I think u will understand what I am trying to say. > > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. > > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get > all the info there after for example. > > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. > > D1 10 > D2 4 > D3 10 > D4 10 > D7 5 > D9 11 > D10 7 > D12 12 > D16 4 > D20 4 > D24 8 > D27 9 > D30 6 > D40 2 > D45 9 > D60 9 > > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant > be linear. > > So here Sun is neutral. > > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. > > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala > Nadi. So here we get > > D1 10 > D2 4 > D3 10 > D4 10 > D7 5 > D9 11 > D10 8 > D12 12 > D16 4 > D20 5 > D24 8 > D27 9 > D30 6 > D40 3 > D45 10 > D60 10 > > > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and > D60 change. > > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati > Nadi. > > D1 10 > D2 4 > D3 10 > D4 10 > D7 5 > D9 11 > D10 7 > D12 12 > D16 3 > D20 4 > D24 8 > D27 9 > D30 6 > D40 2 > D45 9 > D60 9 > > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi > just before. > > > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in > > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 > > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi > > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. > > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based > on fixed, movable and dual sign. > > > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN > > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its > also 31st for KASN. > > > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. > > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. > > > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. > > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct > 1800 nadis. > > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts > (irrsepective of where u start it). > > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. > > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable > and fixed. > > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 > seperate and unique combinations. > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. > > > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12 > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed, > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart > positions. > > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and > some people plagrised his works after learning from him. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please > explain more. > > > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D- > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail, > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees > and position in rasi. > > > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees > are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for > my better understanding. > > > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine " > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > > > Let me know details. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is > > not linear. > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and > divide > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > > divisional charts. > > > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > > changed a position in D chart. > > > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in > Horary > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and > once > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 > equal > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional > charts > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins) > = > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And > again > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are > > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > > > Hence my questions. > > > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived > from > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, > Late > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please > read > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. > Even > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this > field, > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, > than > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have > mentioned > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by > discussing > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > > experience > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I > was > > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I > > > wanted to understand. > > > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > > understand > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise > manner, > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that > of > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > > then > > > starts from 1. > > > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins > > each > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > > fundamental. > > > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about > Nadi > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share > > > your vast experience. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > > Rayudu " > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > > from > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes > (82minutes) > > in > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls > after > > 6 > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet > is > > in > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will > be > > in > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are > 150. > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > > rasis > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle > one > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to > be > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see > my > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to > make > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to > make > > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > > to > > > you.. > > > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > > nadi > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program > > for > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it > so > > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > > clockwise > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) > in > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from > Aries > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in > divisional > > > charts. > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave > my > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > > thumb > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > > claim > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that > they > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research > > can > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put > it > > in > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would > do > > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > > is > > > for KAS. > > > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > > confused > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I > > am > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I > > have > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes > > then > > > a > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional > charts. > > > That > > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with > KAS > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > > number > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > > linear. > > > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing > the > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s > > === message truncated === > > > > > Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, Please ignore this mail. Yes the essense is same. I mis-calculated the time zone. I got the chart with CDT instead of EST. Ok. Yes, the essense is the same. Here again lagna nadi is different. Twin born at 8:43 AM D1 Pi D2 Cn D3 Sc D4 Vi D7 Cp D9 Cp D10 Ta D12 Sc D16 Li D20 Vi D24 Sc D27 Cn D30 Cp D40 Sg D45 Ge D60 Cn Twin Born at 8:44 AM D1 Pi D2 Cn D3 Sc D4 Vi D7 Cp D9 Cp D10 Ta D12 Sc D16 Li D20 Vi D24 Sc D27 Cn D30 Cp D40 Cp << D45 Ge D60 Cn D40 changes here as the lagna nadi changes. So here the planets change houses in D40. Here they are from Sun to Ketu. Sg 2 5 2 3 3 2 3 4 4 Cp 1 4 1 2 2 1 2 3 3 Sorry about the confusion. The charts of twins can't be same. Just an observation. The first 2 letters of the name are also " Sa " . Congratulations to your Wifes Sistes Son on the twins both of which have 5 sectors of Shani in the D charts. Cheers !!! Ash , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Pemmaraju, > I just quickly casted both the charts of the twins, however just to > highlight something here. > > Check the lagna nadi. Both the lagna nadi has changed. > > Lagna Nadi for the elder twin is (8:43 AM) > > D1 Ar > D2 Cn > D3 Le > D4 Cn > D7 Ge > D9 Cn > D10 Cn > D12 Le > D16 Li > D20 Sc > D24 Ta > D27 Aq > D30 Sg > D40 Cn > D45 Vi > D60 Pi > > > Lagna nadi for younger twin (8:44 AM) > > D1 Ar > D2 Cn > D3 Le > D4 Cn > D7 Ge > D9 Cn > D10 Le << > D12 Le > D16 Li > D20 Sg << > D24 Ta > D27 Pi << > D30 Sg > D40 Le << > D45 Li << > D60 Ar << > > I have highlighted the same. > > In any case we say that the child's first cry is the time that we > note. > > This mail is to show that Lagna nadi is different and all the other > nadi of other planets is same. > > This will change everything. > > In the same chart that u saw the blue, green, red in Cell K47 change > the view to House from sign. > > You can see the glaring difference. For your convenience i will > focus on the d charts that are different due to change in lagna nadi. > > For Twin born at 8:43 AM > > Divisionals As Su Mo Ma > Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke > Dasamsa D10 Cn 1 11 10 6 > 12 3 1 9 3 > Vimsamsa D20 Sc 12 8 9 > 12 11 7 2 6 6 > Bhamsa D27 Aq 11 6 4 2 > 8 8 11 11 5 > Khavedamsa D40 Cn 7 11 7 > 8 8 7 8 9 9 > Akshavedamsa D45 Vi 11 3 5 > 8 10 11 2 11 11 > Shastiamsa D60 Pi 7 8 2 > 7 11 4 6 2 8 > > For Twin born at 8:44 > > Divisionals As Su Mo Ma > Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke > Dasamsa D10 Le 12 10 9 5 > 11 2 12 8 2 > Vimsamsa D20 Sg 11 7 8 > 11 10 6 1 5 5 > Bhamsa D27 Pi 10 5 3 1 > 7 7 10 10 4 > Khavedamsa D40 Le 6 10 6 > 7 7 6 7 8 8 > Akshavedamsa D45 Li 10 2 4 > 7 9 10 1 10 10 > Shastiamsa D60 Ar 6 7 1 > 6 10 3 5 1 7 > > > You can see that the house placement has changed. > > I hope you understand the depth of unequal nadi that is used which > has its grounding in D-Charts. > > I have some questions on a few things which I Shall address in > seperate mail due to lack of time. > > Here my intention was just to highlight that you have not considered > lagna nadi. > > In any case, the time to be noted is the childs first cry. That is > very important point especially if u are going into twins which are > born very close to each other. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla. > > > > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful > for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes. > > > > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at > Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D- 60 > lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform > nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since > Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at > 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60 > lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its > name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the > D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here. > > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all > planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues, > Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both > time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to > be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri > Krushnaji. > > > > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls > (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's > sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer > boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen > from same Indian community. > > > > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23; > ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin) 08:44 > AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone > +5:00, DST:0 > > > > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for > Saranya Pisces 20deg29. > > > > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets > positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has > not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and > Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should > be same in all respects. > > > > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I > got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face > and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair > as mother. > > > > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for > Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with > JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60 > lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva > Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi > lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as > per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per > C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also > changed.) > > > > > > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your > views. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > I shall answer in CAPS. > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health. > > > > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non- > uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are > arrived at from Trimshamsa. > > > > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM > TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR. > MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL > PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 > RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI. > > > > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI > CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS > GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW. > > > > > > > > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get > it?). > > > > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH > AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING. > > > > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D > chart should change and I do not know why it is required. > > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal > charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results. > If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse > Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only. > > > > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A > PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS. > > > > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and > said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts > from KAS? Can u please explain further. > > > > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE > DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND > OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED. > > > > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE > 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL. > > > > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT > HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS. > > > > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I > want to learn it also. > > > > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND > HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY > STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT > IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE > ARE USING KAS. > > > > > > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is > correct. This is for discussion sake only. > > > > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT . THIS IS A GOOD > DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A > VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST > UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE > ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL > BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING. > > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE > ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO > NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS > THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME > DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL > 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU > AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > > > > > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other > born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will be > in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and > other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects. > > > > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH > LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA. > > > > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE > SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR > THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA > CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A > CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE > USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS > AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE > KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME. > > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT > BE SAME. > > > > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person > will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be > in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and > other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas > changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different > results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the > Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly, > how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's > Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to > refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly > matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used > > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly > match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I > think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that > this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken > from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva > nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in > characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is > mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different > combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This may > be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken. > > > > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN > TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS > PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM? > > > > > > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE > HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS. > > > > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS. > > > > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN > THE POPULATION OF EARTH. > > > > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. > > > > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS > EATING. > > > > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this > Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you > can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help > from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji. > > > > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF > NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS. > > > > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH > THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY > EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS > IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN > EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE. > > > > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts. > > > > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME > INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO > GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES. > > > > > > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete. > > > > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. > PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR > WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND > BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS > THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A > NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND > LAGNA. > > > > Sorry to take your precious time. > > > > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING. > > > > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no > hurry. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > CHEERS !!! > > ASH > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > I am very tired today and not feeling too well. > > > > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to > understand. > > > > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. > > This is what you do. > > Select Menu item > > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. > > The option 3 is written there. > > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will > > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option > > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of > prasna > > lagna " > > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace > > lagna with Prasna lagna. > > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are > > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly > > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that > > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. > > > > I think u will understand what I am trying to say. > > > > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi > > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we > > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. > > > > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as > > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power > > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the > get > > all the info there after for example. > > > > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart > > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. > > > > D1 10 > > D2 4 > > D3 10 > > D4 10 > > D7 5 > > D9 11 > > D10 7 > > D12 12 > > D16 4 > > D20 4 > > D24 8 > > D27 9 > > D30 6 > > D40 2 > > D45 9 > > D60 9 > > > > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might > divide > > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi > cant > > be linear. > > > > So here Sun is neutral. > > > > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. > > > > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala > > Nadi. So here we get > > > > D1 10 > > D2 4 > > D3 10 > > D4 10 > > D7 5 > > D9 11 > > D10 8 > > D12 12 > > D16 4 > > D20 5 > > D24 8 > > D27 9 > > D30 6 > > D40 3 > > D45 10 > > D60 10 > > > > > > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn > > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and > > D60 change. > > > > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati > > Nadi. > > > > D1 10 > > D2 4 > > D3 10 > > D4 10 > > D7 5 > > D9 11 > > D10 7 > > D12 12 > > D16 3 > > D20 4 > > D24 8 > > D27 9 > > D30 6 > > D40 2 > > D45 9 > > D60 9 > > > > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in > > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi > > just before. > > > > > > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in > > > > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 > > > > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi > > > > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per > KAS > > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system > > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. > > > > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will > > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based > > on fixed, movable and dual sign. > > > > > > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN > > > > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and > its > > also 31st for KASN. > > > > > > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. > > > > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as > > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. > > > > > > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. > > > > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct > > 1800 nadis. > > > > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts > > (irrsepective of where u start it). > > > > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It > start > > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. > > > > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, > movable > > and fixed. > > > > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but > unequal > > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna > changes > > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 > > seperate and unique combinations. > > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. > > > > > > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of > 12 > > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on > fixed, > > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is > the > > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart > > positions. > > > > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book > and > > some people plagrised his works after learning from him. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please > > explain more. > > > > > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal > > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the > Tatwa/Antartatwa > > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I > > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by > D- > > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 > chart > > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas > and > > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example > > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. > If > > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous > mail, > > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna > > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce > in > > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give > your > > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > > > > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet > > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi > > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets > > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart > > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the > > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and > > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees > > and position in rasi. > > > > > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number > > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart > > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and > degrees > > are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location > > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this > > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could > be > > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different > > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number > > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India > > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for > > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts > for > > my better understanding. > > > > > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals > > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > > > > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi > > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per > > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to > > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > > > > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each > > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary > > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological > Magazine " > > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the > > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given > > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not > > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at > such > > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > > > > > Let me know details. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However > you > > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size > of > > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa > is > > > not linear. > > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and > > divide > > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > > > divisional charts. > > > > > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > > > changed a position in D chart. > > > > > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in > > Horary > > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and > > once > > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > > > > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 > > equal > > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > > > > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional > > charts > > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 > mins) > > = > > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And > > again > > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > > > > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal > parts > > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we > are > > > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > > > > > Hence my questions. > > > > > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > > Rayudu " > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived > > from > > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, > > Late > > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I > have > > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please > > read > > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. > > Even > > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My > friend > > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this > > field, > > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in > his > > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, > > than > > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have > > mentioned > > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this > stage > > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > > > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by > > discussing > > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > > > experience > > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I > > was > > > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what > I > > > > wanted to understand. > > > > > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > > > understand > > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise > > manner, > > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and > that > > of > > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > > > then > > > > starts from 1. > > > > > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 > mins > > > each > > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > > > fundamental. > > > > > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about > > Nadi > > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can > share > > > > your vast experience. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju > V.R. > > > > Rayudu " > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > > > from > > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes > > (82minutes) > > > in > > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls > > after > > > 6 > > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet > > is > > > in > > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will > > be > > > in > > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are > > 150. > > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > > > rasis > > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it > starts > > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle > > one > > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are > to > > be > > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please > see > > my > > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to > > make > > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to > > make > > > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > > > to > > > > you.. > > > > > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > > > nadi > > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer > program > > > for > > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it > > so > > > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > > > clockwise > > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) > > in > > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from > > Aries > > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart > and > > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in > > divisional > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave > > my > > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > > > thumb > > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > > > claim > > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that > > they > > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further > research > > > can > > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this > method. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put > > it > > > in > > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would > > do > > > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > > > is > > > > for KAS. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > > > confused > > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if > I > > > am > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 > equal > > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding > I > > > have > > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart > changes > > > then > > > > a > > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional > > charts. > > > > That > > > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with > > KAS > > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > > > number > > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > > > linear. > > > > > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing > > the > > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, I gave some thought to your mail. I have a basic question that came to my mind. 1) What is the use of Nadi the way its used i.e. the way u use it by dividing it into 150 parts? Is it used for rectification only? or is there some other use for it? If there are other use what 2) What if the birth time is more than 30 mins different than the original birth date? Can the system be used? 3) What is the purpose of Tatwa and Antar tatwa ? What or how does it help? 4) As per this mail you keep mentioning Deva Keralam and Chandra kala nadi. I havent read those books however in the options given in JHora the option given as set as per Chandra Kaala Nadi seems to use unequal divisions and not equal divisions as given by you. So pardon my ignorance here but there seems to be some difference here in either the text available or if Deva Keralam or there maybe some difference in understanding of Chandra Kaala Nadi. 5) Why is there a need to create a nadi chart ? What does this nadi chart do? As per the text in JHora it is said that " If your nadi calculation option is set is Chandra Kaala Nadi, then this will fix the shodasa varga of prasna lagna " So it means that this is similar to what I am saying or similar to what we are using in KASN. Now if Deva Keralam is using Chandra kaala nadi and u are saying that Chandra kaala nadi as per Deva Keralam uses equal divisions then there seems to be some difference in understanding. I do not know if Chandra Kaala Nadi uses equal or unequal divisions? As per JHora it seems that if option is set to Chandra Kaala Nadi then its using unequal divisions as we use it. When you get a chance can you please give your opinion and it will be good learning. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla. > > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes. > > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-60 lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60 lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here. > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues, Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri Krushnaji. > > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen from same Indian community. > > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23; ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)08:44 AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone +5:00, DST:0 > > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for Saranya Pisces 20deg29. > > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should be same in all respects. > > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair as mother. > > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60 lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also changed.) > > > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your views. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > > > Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > I shall answer in CAPS. > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health. > > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non- uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are arrived at from Trimshamsa. > > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR. MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI. > > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW. > > > > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get it?). > > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING. > > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D chart should change and I do not know why it is required. > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results. If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only. > > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS. > > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts from KAS? Can u please explain further. > > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED. > > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL. > > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS. > > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I want to learn it also. > > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE ARE USING KAS. > > > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is correct. This is for discussion sake only. > > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT . THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING. > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will be in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects. > > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA. > > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME. > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT BE SAME. > > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly, how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This may be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken. > > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM? > > > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS. > > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS. > > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN THE POPULATION OF EARTH. > > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. > > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS EATING. > > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji. > > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS. > > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE. > > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts. > > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES. > > > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete. > > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND LAGNA. > > Sorry to take your precious time. > > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING. > > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no hurry. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > CHEERS !!! > ASH > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > I am very tired today and not feeling too well. > > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand. > > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. > This is what you do. > Select Menu item > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. > The option 3 is written there. > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna > lagna " > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace > lagna with Prasna lagna. > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. > > I think u will understand what I am trying to say. > > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. > > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get > all the info there after for example. > > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. > > D1 10 > D2 4 > D3 10 > D4 10 > D7 5 > D9 11 > D10 7 > D12 12 > D16 4 > D20 4 > D24 8 > D27 9 > D30 6 > D40 2 > D45 9 > D60 9 > > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant > be linear. > > So here Sun is neutral. > > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. > > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala > Nadi. So here we get > > D1 10 > D2 4 > D3 10 > D4 10 > D7 5 > D9 11 > D10 8 > D12 12 > D16 4 > D20 5 > D24 8 > D27 9 > D30 6 > D40 3 > D45 10 > D60 10 > > > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and > D60 change. > > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati > Nadi. > > D1 10 > D2 4 > D3 10 > D4 10 > D7 5 > D9 11 > D10 7 > D12 12 > D16 3 > D20 4 > D24 8 > D27 9 > D30 6 > D40 2 > D45 9 > D60 9 > > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi > just before. > > > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in > > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 > > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi > > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. > > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based > on fixed, movable and dual sign. > > > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN > > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its > also 31st for KASN. > > > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. > > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. > > > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. > > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct > 1800 nadis. > > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts > (irrsepective of where u start it). > > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. > > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable > and fixed. > > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 > seperate and unique combinations. > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. > > > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12 > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed, > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart > positions. > > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and > some people plagrised his works after learning from him. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please > explain more. > > > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D- > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail, > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees > and position in rasi. > > > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees > are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for > my better understanding. > > > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine " > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > > > Let me know details. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is > > not linear. > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and > divide > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > > divisional charts. > > > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > > changed a position in D chart. > > > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in > Horary > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and > once > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 > equal > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional > charts > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins) > = > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And > again > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are > > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > > > Hence my questions. > > > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived > from > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, > Late > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please > read > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. > Even > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this > field, > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, > than > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have > mentioned > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by > discussing > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > > experience > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I > was > > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I > > > wanted to understand. > > > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > > understand > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise > manner, > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that > of > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > > then > > > starts from 1. > > > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins > > each > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > > fundamental. > > > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about > Nadi > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share > > > your vast experience. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > > Rayudu " > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > > from > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes > (82minutes) > > in > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls > after > > 6 > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet > is > > in > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will > be > > in > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are > 150. > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > > rasis > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle > one > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to > be > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see > my > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to > make > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to > make > > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > > to > > > you.. > > > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > > nadi > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program > > for > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it > so > > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > > clockwise > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) > in > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from > Aries > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in > divisional > > > charts. > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave > my > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > > thumb > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > > claim > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that > they > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research > > can > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put > it > > in > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would > do > > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > > is > > > for KAS. > > > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > > confused > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I > > am > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I > > have > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes > > then > > > a > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional > charts. > > > That > > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with > KAS > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > > number > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > > linear. > > > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing > the > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s > > === message truncated === > > > > > Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Dear Ash, I give below, in same order, whatever I think I know. 1. Nadi can be used for rectification and to know the general life pattern also since for each nadi of 12” a life pattern is given. 2. One has to search more nadi patterns and select the nearest suitable one and rectify 3. The general characteristics of persons born in different tatwas are given, which can be known by arriving at the suitable tatwas for the birth time. 4. Late Shri Santhanam gave the title of his book ( with 8200 slokas in three volumes) as “Deva Keralam ( Chandrakala Nadi) giving list of equal nadi divisions including that of C.G.Rajan, another great nadi reseacher.You have to ask JHora if they are different. 5. Nadi chart being the subtlest is to know the seed pattern just like other varga charts show other aspects. It looks that the life, breath, tatwas, nadis, rasis, planets etc are all interlinked. It is said that a person is supposed to take 21600 breaths per day. In rasis, 360degrees is equal to 21600”. Each equal nadi of 12’ is further divided into 4 parts of each 3’ representing brahmins, kshatriyas, vysyas, sudras (not to mean caste, but the role & characteristics), which is equal to 12 seconds in time, which is equal to Prithvi-Prithvi tatwa. The breath of Ida, Pingala and Sushumna also seem to come into play. I feel that it is not easy to understand the secrets of Cosmos, Cosmic Hierachy etc and these can be understood only through Divine Grace, Meditation and Poorva Punya. Sorry I cannot give better explanation since not much published literature is available, though it may be in some hands who do not want to share. Blessings Pemmaraju ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, I gave some thought to your mail. I have a basic question that came to my mind. 1) What is the use of Nadi the way its used i.e. the way u use it by dividing it into 150 parts? Is it used for rectification only? or is there some other use for it? If there are other use what 2) What if the birth time is more than 30 mins different than the original birth date? Can the system be used? 3) What is the purpose of Tatwa and Antar tatwa ? What or how does it help? 4) As per this mail you keep mentioning Deva Keralam and Chandra kala nadi. I havent read those books however in the options given in JHora the option given as set as per Chandra Kaala Nadi seems to use unequal divisions and not equal divisions as given by you. So pardon my ignorance here but there seems to be some difference here in either the text available or if Deva Keralam or there maybe some difference in understanding of Chandra Kaala Nadi. 5) Why is there a need to create a nadi chart ? What does this nadi chart do? As per the text in JHora it is said that " If your nadi calculation option is set is Chandra Kaala Nadi, then this will fix the shodasa varga of prasna lagna " So it means that this is similar to what I am saying or similar to what we are using in KASN. Now if Deva Keralam is using Chandra kaala nadi and u are saying that Chandra kaala nadi as per Deva Keralam uses equal divisions then there seems to be some difference in understanding. I do not know if Chandra Kaala Nadi uses equal or unequal divisions? As per JHora it seems that if option is set to Chandra Kaala Nadi then its using unequal divisions as we use it. When you get a chance can you please give your opinion and it will be good learning. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla. > > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes. > > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D-60 lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60 lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here. > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues, Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri Krushnaji. > > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen from same Indian community. > > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23; ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin)08:44 AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone +5:00, DST:0 > > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for Saranya Pisces 20deg29. > > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should be same in all respects. > > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair as mother. > > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60 lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also changed.) > > > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your views. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > > > Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > I shall answer in CAPS. > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health. > > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non- uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are arrived at from Trimshamsa. > > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR. MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI. > > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW. > > > > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get it?). > > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING. > > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D chart should change and I do not know why it is required. > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results. If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only. > > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS. > > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts from KAS? Can u please explain further. > > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED. > > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL. > > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS. > > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I want to learn it also. > > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE ARE USING KAS. > > > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is correct. This is for discussion sake only. > > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT . THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING. > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will be in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects. > > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA. > > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME. > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT BE SAME. > > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly, how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This may be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken. > > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM? > > > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS. > > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS. > > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN THE POPULATION OF EARTH. > > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. > > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS EATING. > > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji. > > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS. > > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE. > > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts. > > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES. > > > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete. > > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND LAGNA. > > Sorry to take your precious time. > > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING. > > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no hurry. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > CHEERS !!! > ASH > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > I am very tired today and not feeling too well. > > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to understand. > > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. > This is what you do. > Select Menu item > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. > The option 3 is written there. > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of prasna > lagna " > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace > lagna with Prasna lagna. > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. > > I think u will understand what I am trying to say. > > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. > > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the get > all the info there after for example. > > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. > > D1 10 > D2 4 > D3 10 > D4 10 > D7 5 > D9 11 > D10 7 > D12 12 > D16 4 > D20 4 > D24 8 > D27 9 > D30 6 > D40 2 > D45 9 > D60 9 > > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might divide > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi cant > be linear. > > So here Sun is neutral. > > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. > > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala > Nadi. So here we get > > D1 10 > D2 4 > D3 10 > D4 10 > D7 5 > D9 11 > D10 8 > D12 12 > D16 4 > D20 5 > D24 8 > D27 9 > D30 6 > D40 3 > D45 10 > D60 10 > > > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and > D60 change. > > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati > Nadi. > > D1 10 > D2 4 > D3 10 > D4 10 > D7 5 > D9 11 > D10 7 > D12 12 > D16 3 > D20 4 > D24 8 > D27 9 > D30 6 > D40 2 > D45 9 > D60 9 > > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi > just before. > > > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in > > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 > > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi > > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per KAS > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. > > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based > on fixed, movable and dual sign. > > > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN > > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and its > also 31st for KASN. > > > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. > > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. > > > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. > > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct > 1800 nadis. > > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts > (irrsepective of where u start it). > > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It start > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. > > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, movable > and fixed. > > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but unequal > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna changes > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 > seperate and unique combinations. > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. > > > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of 12 > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on fixed, > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is the > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart > positions. > > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book and > some people plagrised his works after learning from him. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please > explain more. > > > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the Tatwa/Antartatwa > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by D- > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 chart > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas and > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. If > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous mail, > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce in > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give your > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees > and position in rasi. > > > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and degrees > are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could be > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts for > my better understanding. > > > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological Magazine " > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at such > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > > > Let me know details. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However you > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size of > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa is > > not linear. > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and > divide > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > > divisional charts. > > > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > > changed a position in D chart. > > > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in > Horary > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and > once > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 > equal > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional > charts > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 mins) > = > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And > again > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal parts > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we are > > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > > > Hence my questions. > > > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived > from > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, > Late > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I have > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please > read > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. > Even > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My friend > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this > field, > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in his > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, > than > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have > mentioned > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this stage > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by > discussing > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > > experience > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I > was > > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what I > > > wanted to understand. > > > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > > understand > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise > manner, > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and that > of > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > > then > > > starts from 1. > > > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 mins > > each > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > > fundamental. > > > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about > Nadi > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can share > > > your vast experience. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > > Rayudu " > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > > from > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes > (82minutes) > > in > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls > after > > 6 > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet > is > > in > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will > be > > in > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are > 150. > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > > rasis > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it starts > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle > one > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are to > be > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please see > my > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to > make > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to > make > > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > > to > > > you.. > > > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > > nadi > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer program > > for > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it > so > > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > > clockwise > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) > in > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from > Aries > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart and > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in > divisional > > > charts. > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave > my > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > > thumb > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > > claim > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that > they > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further research > > can > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this method. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put > it > > in > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would > do > > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > > is > > > for KAS. > > > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > > confused > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if I > > am > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 equal > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding I > > have > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart changes > > then > > > a > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional > charts. > > > That > > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with > KAS > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > > number > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > > linear. > > > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing > the > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s > > === message truncated === > > > > > Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Thanks Ash. I did again and got different D-40s for their diffrerent lagna degrees. So the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further research vis-a-vis equal division list? Blessings Pemmaraju ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Please ignore this mail. Yes the essense is same. I mis-calculated the time zone. I got the chart with CDT instead of EST. Ok. Yes, the essense is the same. Here again lagna nadi is different. Twin born at 8:43 AM D1 Pi D2 Cn D3 Sc D4 Vi D7 Cp D9 Cp D10 Ta D12 Sc D16 Li D20 Vi D24 Sc D27 Cn D30 Cp D40 Sg D45 Ge D60 Cn Twin Born at 8:44 AM D1 Pi D2 Cn D3 Sc D4 Vi D7 Cp D9 Cp D10 Ta D12 Sc D16 Li D20 Vi D24 Sc D27 Cn D30 Cp D40 Cp << D45 Ge D60 Cn D40 changes here as the lagna nadi changes. So here the planets change houses in D40. Here they are from Sun to Ketu. Sg 2 5 2 3 3 2 3 4 4 Cp 1 4 1 2 2 1 2 3 3 Sorry about the confusion. The charts of twins can't be same. Just an observation. The first 2 letters of the name are also " Sa " . Congratulations to your Wifes Sistes Son on the twins both of which have 5 sectors of Shani in the D charts. Cheers !!! Ash , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Pemmaraju, > I just quickly casted both the charts of the twins, however just to > highlight something here. > > Check the lagna nadi. Both the lagna nadi has changed. > > Lagna Nadi for the elder twin is (8:43 AM) > > D1 Ar > D2 Cn > D3 Le > D4 Cn > D7 Ge > D9 Cn > D10 Cn > D12 Le > D16 Li > D20 Sc > D24 Ta > D27 Aq > D30 Sg > D40 Cn > D45 Vi > D60 Pi > > > Lagna nadi for younger twin (8:44 AM) > > D1 Ar > D2 Cn > D3 Le > D4 Cn > D7 Ge > D9 Cn > D10 Le << > D12 Le > D16 Li > D20 Sg << > D24 Ta > D27 Pi << > D30 Sg > D40 Le << > D45 Li << > D60 Ar << > > I have highlighted the same. > > In any case we say that the child's first cry is the time that we > note. > > This mail is to show that Lagna nadi is different and all the other > nadi of other planets is same. > > This will change everything. > > In the same chart that u saw the blue, green, red in Cell K47 change > the view to House from sign. > > You can see the glaring difference. For your convenience i will > focus on the d charts that are different due to change in lagna nadi. > > For Twin born at 8:43 AM > > Divisionals As Su Mo Ma > Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke > Dasamsa D10 Cn 1 11 10 6 > 12 3 1 9 3 > Vimsamsa D20 Sc 12 8 9 > 12 11 7 2 6 6 > Bhamsa D27 Aq 11 6 4 2 > 8 8 11 11 5 > Khavedamsa D40 Cn 7 11 7 > 8 8 7 8 9 9 > Akshavedamsa D45 Vi 11 3 5 > 8 10 11 2 11 11 > Shastiamsa D60 Pi 7 8 2 > 7 11 4 6 2 8 > > For Twin born at 8:44 > > Divisionals As Su Mo Ma > Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke > Dasamsa D10 Le 12 10 9 5 > 11 2 12 8 2 > Vimsamsa D20 Sg 11 7 8 > 11 10 6 1 5 5 > Bhamsa D27 Pi 10 5 3 1 > 7 7 10 10 4 > Khavedamsa D40 Le 6 10 6 > 7 7 6 7 8 8 > Akshavedamsa D45 Li 10 2 4 > 7 9 10 1 10 10 > Shastiamsa D60 Ar 6 7 1 > 6 10 3 5 1 7 > > > You can see that the house placement has changed. > > I hope you understand the depth of unequal nadi that is used which > has its grounding in D-Charts. > > I have some questions on a few things which I Shall address in > seperate mail due to lack of time. > > Here my intention was just to highlight that you have not considered > lagna nadi. > > In any case, the time to be noted is the childs first cry. That is > very important point especially if u are going into twins which are > born very close to each other. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla. > > > > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful > for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes. > > > > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at > Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D- 60 > lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform > nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since > Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at > 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60 > lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its > name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the > D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here. > > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all > planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues, > Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both > time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to > be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri > Krushnaji. > > > > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls > (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's > sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer > boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen > from same Indian community. > > > > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23; > ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin) 08:44 > AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone > +5:00, DST:0 > > > > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for > Saranya Pisces 20deg29. > > > > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets > positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has > not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and > Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should > be same in all respects. > > > > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I > got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face > and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair > as mother. > > > > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for > Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with > JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60 > lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva > Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi > lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as > per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per > C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also > changed.) > > > > > > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your > views. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > I shall answer in CAPS. > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health. > > > > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non- > uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are > arrived at from Trimshamsa. > > > > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM > TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR. > MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL > PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 > RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI. > > > > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI > CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS > GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW. > > > > > > > > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get > it?). > > > > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH > AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING. > > > > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D > chart should change and I do not know why it is required. > > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal > charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results. > If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse > Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only. > > > > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A > PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS. > > > > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and > said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts > from KAS? Can u please explain further. > > > > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE > DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND > OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED. > > > > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE > 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL. > > > > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT > HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS. > > > > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I > want to learn it also. > > > > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND > HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY > STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT > IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE > ARE USING KAS. > > > > > > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is > correct. This is for discussion sake only. > > > > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT . THIS IS A GOOD > DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A > VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST > UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE > ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL > BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING. > > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE > ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO > NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS > THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME > DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL > 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU > AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > > > > > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other > born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will be > in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and > other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects. > > > > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH > LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA. > > > > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE > SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR > THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA > CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A > CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE > USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS > AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE > KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME. > > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT > BE SAME. > > > > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person > will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be > in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and > other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas > changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different > results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the > Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly, > how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's > Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to > refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly > matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used > > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly > match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I > think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that > this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken > from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva > nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in > characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is > mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different > combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This may > be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken. > > > > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN > TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS > PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM? > > > > > > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE > HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS. > > > > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS. > > > > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN > THE POPULATION OF EARTH. > > > > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. > > > > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS > EATING. > > > > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this > Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you > can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help > from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji. > > > > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF > NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS. > > > > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH > THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY > EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS > IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN > EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE. > > > > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts. > > > > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME > INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO > GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES. > > > > > > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete. > > > > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. > PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR > WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND > BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS > THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A > NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND > LAGNA. > > > > Sorry to take your precious time. > > > > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING. > > > > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no > hurry. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > CHEERS !!! > > ASH > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > I am very tired today and not feeling too well. > > > > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to > understand. > > > > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. > > This is what you do. > > Select Menu item > > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. > > The option 3 is written there. > > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will > > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option > > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of > prasna > > lagna " > > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace > > lagna with Prasna lagna. > > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are > > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly > > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that > > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. > > > > I think u will understand what I am trying to say. > > > > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi > > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we > > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. > > > > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as > > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power > > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the > get > > all the info there after for example. > > > > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart > > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. > > > > D1 10 > > D2 4 > > D3 10 > > D4 10 > > D7 5 > > D9 11 > > D10 7 > > D12 12 > > D16 4 > > D20 4 > > D24 8 > > D27 9 > > D30 6 > > D40 2 > > D45 9 > > D60 9 > > > > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might > divide > > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi > cant > > be linear. > > > > So here Sun is neutral. > > > > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. > > > > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala > > Nadi. So here we get > > > > D1 10 > > D2 4 > > D3 10 > > D4 10 > > D7 5 > > D9 11 > > D10 8 > > D12 12 > > D16 4 > > D20 5 > > D24 8 > > D27 9 > > D30 6 > > D40 3 > > D45 10 > > D60 10 > > > > > > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn > > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and > > D60 change. > > > > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati > > Nadi. > > > > D1 10 > > D2 4 > > D3 10 > > D4 10 > > D7 5 > > D9 11 > > D10 7 > > D12 12 > > D16 3 > > D20 4 > > D24 8 > > D27 9 > > D30 6 > > D40 2 > > D45 9 > > D60 9 > > > > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in > > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi > > just before. > > > > > > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in > > > > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 > > > > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi > > > > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per > KAS > > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system > > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. > > > > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will > > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based > > on fixed, movable and dual sign. > > > > > > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN > > > > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and > its > > also 31st for KASN. > > > > > > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. > > > > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as > > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. > > > > > > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. > > > > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct > > 1800 nadis. > > > > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts > > (irrsepective of where u start it). > > > > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It > start > > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. > > > > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, > movable > > and fixed. > > > > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but > unequal > > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna > changes > > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 > > seperate and unique combinations. > > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. > > > > > > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of > 12 > > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on > fixed, > > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is > the > > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart > > positions. > > > > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book > and > > some people plagrised his works after learning from him. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please > > explain more. > > > > > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal > > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the > Tatwa/Antartatwa > > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I > > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by > D- > > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 > chart > > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas > and > > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example > > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. > If > > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous > mail, > > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna > > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce > in > > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give > your > > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > > > > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet > > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi > > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets > > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart > > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the > > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and > > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees > > and position in rasi. > > > > > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number > > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart > > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and > degrees > > are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location > > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this > > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could > be > > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different > > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number > > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India > > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for > > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts > for > > my better understanding. > > > > > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals > > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > > > > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi > > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per > > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to > > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > > > > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each > > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary > > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological > Magazine " > > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the > > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given > > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not > > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at > such > > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > > > > > Let me know details. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However > you > > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size > of > > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa > is > > > not linear. > > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and > > divide > > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > > > divisional charts. > > > > > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > > > changed a position in D chart. > > > > > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in > > Horary > > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and > > once > > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > > > > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 > > equal > > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > > > > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional > > charts > > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 > mins) > > = > > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And > > again > > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > > > > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal > parts > > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we > are > > > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > > > > > Hence my questions. > > > > > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > > Rayudu " > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived > > from > > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, > > Late > > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I > have > > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please > > read > > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. > > Even > > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My > friend > > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this > > field, > > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in > his > > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, > > than > > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have > > mentioned > > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this > stage > > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > > > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by > > discussing > > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > > > experience > > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I > > was > > > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what > I > > > > wanted to understand. > > > > > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > > > understand > > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise > > manner, > > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and > that > > of > > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > > > then > > > > starts from 1. > > > > > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 > mins > > > each > > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > > > fundamental. > > > > > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about > > Nadi > > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can > share > > > > your vast experience. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju > V.R. > > > > Rayudu " > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > > > from > > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes > > (82minutes) > > > in > > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls > > after > > > 6 > > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet > > is > > > in > > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will > > be > > > in > > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are > > 150. > > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > > > rasis > > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it > starts > > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle > > one > > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are > to > > be > > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please > see > > my > > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to > > make > > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to > > make > > > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > > > to > > > > you.. > > > > > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > > > nadi > > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer > program > > > for > > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it > > so > > > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > > > clockwise > > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) > > in > > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from > > Aries > > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart > and > > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in > > divisional > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave > > my > > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > > > thumb > > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > > > claim > > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that > > they > > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further > research > > > can > > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this > method. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put > > it > > > in > > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would > > do > > > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > > > is > > > > for KAS. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > > > confused > > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if > I > > > am > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 > equal > > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding > I > > > have > > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart > changes > > > then > > > > a > > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional > > charts. > > > > That > > > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with > > KAS > > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > > > number > > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > > > linear. > > > > > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing > > the > > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, The names of the nadis from what I have learnt so far is the same as per your website. Only degrees are different. I am in the process of trying to compute them, however I am not getting enough time. So once I get them down I shall calculate the same and post it. Its just some more mechnaical work and that I can ask Krushnaji, howerver I do not want to do as finding the same manually would be better for my learning. After that I can put the same in a program which would make life easy for all. I need more time to do the same, Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Thanks Ash. > I did again and got different D-40s for their diffrerent lagna degrees. So the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further research vis-a-vis equal division list? > Blessings > Pemmaraju > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Pemmaraju, > Please ignore this mail. Yes the essense is same. I mis- calculated > the time zone. I got the chart with CDT instead of EST. > > Ok. Yes, the essense is the same. Here again lagna nadi is > different. > > > Twin born at 8:43 AM > > D1 Pi > D2 Cn > D3 Sc > D4 Vi > D7 Cp > D9 Cp > D10 Ta > D12 Sc > D16 Li > D20 Vi > D24 Sc > D27 Cn > D30 Cp > D40 Sg > D45 Ge > D60 Cn > > > Twin Born at 8:44 AM > > D1 Pi > D2 Cn > D3 Sc > D4 Vi > D7 Cp > D9 Cp > D10 Ta > D12 Sc > D16 Li > D20 Vi > D24 Sc > D27 Cn > D30 Cp > D40 Cp << > D45 Ge > D60 Cn > > > D40 changes here as the lagna nadi changes. > > So here the planets change houses in D40. > > Here they are from Sun to Ketu. > > Sg 2 5 2 3 3 2 3 4 4 > Cp 1 4 1 2 2 1 2 3 3 > > Sorry about the confusion. > > The charts of twins can't be same. > > Just an observation. The first 2 letters of the name are > also " Sa " . > > Congratulations to your Wifes Sistes Son on the twins both of which > have 5 sectors of Shani in the D charts. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pemmaraju, > > I just quickly casted both the charts of the twins, however just > to > > highlight something here. > > > > Check the lagna nadi. Both the lagna nadi has changed. > > > > Lagna Nadi for the elder twin is (8:43 AM) > > > > D1 Ar > > D2 Cn > > D3 Le > > D4 Cn > > D7 Ge > > D9 Cn > > D10 Cn > > D12 Le > > D16 Li > > D20 Sc > > D24 Ta > > D27 Aq > > D30 Sg > > D40 Cn > > D45 Vi > > D60 Pi > > > > > > Lagna nadi for younger twin (8:44 AM) > > > > D1 Ar > > D2 Cn > > D3 Le > > D4 Cn > > D7 Ge > > D9 Cn > > D10 Le << > > D12 Le > > D16 Li > > D20 Sg << > > D24 Ta > > D27 Pi << > > D30 Sg > > D40 Le << > > D45 Li << > > D60 Ar << > > > > I have highlighted the same. > > > > In any case we say that the child's first cry is the time that we > > note. > > > > This mail is to show that Lagna nadi is different and all the > other > > nadi of other planets is same. > > > > This will change everything. > > > > In the same chart that u saw the blue, green, red in Cell K47 > change > > the view to House from sign. > > > > You can see the glaring difference. For your convenience i will > > focus on the d charts that are different due to change in lagna > nadi. > > > > For Twin born at 8:43 AM > > > > Divisionals As Su Mo Ma > > Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke > > Dasamsa D10 Cn 1 11 10 > 6 > > 12 3 1 9 3 > > Vimsamsa D20 Sc 12 8 9 > > 12 11 7 2 6 6 > > Bhamsa D27 Aq 11 6 4 > 2 > > 8 8 11 11 5 > > Khavedamsa D40 Cn 7 11 7 > > 8 8 7 8 9 9 > > Akshavedamsa D45 Vi 11 3 5 > > 8 10 11 2 11 11 > > Shastiamsa D60 Pi 7 8 2 > > 7 11 4 6 2 8 > > > > For Twin born at 8:44 > > > > Divisionals As Su Mo Ma > > Me Ju Ve Sa Ra Ke > > Dasamsa D10 Le 12 10 9 > 5 > > 11 2 12 8 2 > > Vimsamsa D20 Sg 11 7 8 > > 11 10 6 1 5 5 > > Bhamsa D27 Pi 10 5 3 > 1 > > 7 7 10 10 4 > > Khavedamsa D40 Le 6 10 6 > > 7 7 6 7 8 8 > > Akshavedamsa D45 Li 10 2 4 > > 7 9 10 1 10 10 > > Shastiamsa D60 Ar 6 7 1 > > 6 10 3 5 1 7 > > > > > > You can see that the house placement has changed. > > > > I hope you understand the depth of unequal nadi that is used which > > has its grounding in D-Charts. > > > > I have some questions on a few things which I Shall address in > > seperate mail due to lack of time. > > > > Here my intention was just to highlight that you have not > considered > > lagna nadi. > > > > In any case, the time to be noted is the childs first cry. That > is > > very important point especially if u are going into twins which > are > > born very close to each other. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla. > > > > > > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful > > for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes. > > > > > > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at > > Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D- > 60 > > lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non- uniform > > nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since > > Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at > > 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D- 60 > > lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever > its > > name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, > the > > D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here. > > > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all > > planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues, > > Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both > > time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is > to > > be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri > > Krushnaji. > > > > > > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls > > (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's > > sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer > > boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen > > from same Indian community. > > > > > > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23; > > ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin) > 08:44 > > AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone > > +5:00, DST:0 > > > > > > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for > > Saranya Pisces 20deg29. > > > > > > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets > > positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi > has > > not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and > > Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should > > be same in all respects. > > > > > > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, > I > > got the photos and phone call information that one is of round > face > > and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not > fair > > as mother. > > > > > > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for > > Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with > > JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D- 60 > > lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva > > Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi > > lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi > as > > per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per > > C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also > > changed.) > > > > > > > > > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your > > views. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > I shall answer in CAPS. > > > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health. > > > > > > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non- > > uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are > > arrived at from Trimshamsa. > > > > > > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM > > TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE > LINEAR. > > MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL > > PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF > 1 > > RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI. > > > > > > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE > NADI > > CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS > > GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get > > it?). > > > > > > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH > > AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING. > > > > > > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D > > chart should change and I do not know why it is required. > > > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal > > charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better > results. > > If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse > > Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system > only. > > > > > > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS > A > > PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS. > > > > > > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and > > said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these > charts > > from KAS? Can u please explain further. > > > > > > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE > > DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT > AND > > OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED. > > > > > > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN > SEE > > 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL. > > > > > > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH > THAT > > HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS. > > > > > > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? > I > > want to learn it also. > > > > > > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND > > HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME > VERY > > STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT > > IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING > WE > > ARE USING KAS. > > > > > > > > > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is > > correct. This is for discussion sake only. > > > > > > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT . THIS IS A > GOOD > > DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS > A > > VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST > > UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE > > ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL > > BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING. > > > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT > WE > > ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO > > NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS > > THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME > > DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL > > 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU > > AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > > > > > > > > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other > > born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will > be > > in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 > and > > other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects. > > > > > > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG > WITH > > LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA. > > > > > > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT > BE > > SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR > > THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA > > CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE > A > > CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE > > USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS > > AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH > MORE > > KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME. > > > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT > > BE SAME. > > > > > > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first > person > > will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will > be > > in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and > > other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the > Antartatwas > > changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since > different > > results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the > > Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi > astonishingly, > > how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's > > Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used > to > > refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly > > matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also > used > > > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly > > match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time > (I > > think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere > that > > this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken > > from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & > Dhruva > > nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change > in > > characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is > > mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different > > combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This > may > > be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken. > > > > > > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN > > TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS > > PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM? > > > > > > > > > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE > > HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS. > > > > > > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS. > > > > > > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE > THAN > > THE POPULATION OF EARTH. > > > > > > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the > eating. > > > > > > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS > > EATING. > > > > > > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this > > Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you > > can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help > > from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji. > > > > > > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE > OF > > NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS. > > > > > > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH > > THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND > EVERY > > EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS > > IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U > CAN > > EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE. > > > > > > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts. > > > > > > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME > > INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE > TO > > GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES. > > > > > > > > > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise > delete. > > > > > > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. > > PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR > > WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND > > BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS > > THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A > > NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET > AND > > LAGNA. > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time. > > > > > > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING. > > > > > > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no > > hurry. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > CHEERS !!! > > > ASH > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > > I am very tired today and not feeling too well. > > > > > > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to > > understand. > > > > > > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. > > > This is what you do. > > > Select Menu item > > > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. > > > The option 3 is written there. > > > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this > will > > > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option > > > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of > > prasna > > > lagna " > > > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace > > > lagna with Prasna lagna. > > > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are > > > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are > definitly > > > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means > that > > > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted > it. > > > > > > I think u will understand what I am trying to say. > > > > > > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi > > > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we > > > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. > > > > > > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and > as > > > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the > power > > > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the > > get > > > all the info there after for example. > > > > > > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D > chart > > > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. > > > > > > D1 10 > > > D2 4 > > > D3 10 > > > D4 10 > > > D7 5 > > > D9 11 > > > D10 7 > > > D12 12 > > > D16 4 > > > D20 4 > > > D24 8 > > > D27 9 > > > D30 6 > > > D40 2 > > > D45 9 > > > D60 9 > > > > > > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might > > divide > > > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi > > cant > > > be linear. > > > > > > So here Sun is neutral. > > > > > > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will > change. > > > > > > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala > > > Nadi. So here we get > > > > > > D1 10 > > > D2 4 > > > D3 10 > > > D4 10 > > > D7 5 > > > D9 11 > > > D10 8 > > > D12 12 > > > D16 4 > > > D20 5 > > > D24 8 > > > D27 9 > > > D30 6 > > > D40 3 > > > D45 10 > > > D60 10 > > > > > > > > > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in > Capricorn > > > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 > and > > > D60 change. > > > > > > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in > Mati > > > Nadi. > > > > > > D1 10 > > > D2 4 > > > D3 10 > > > D4 10 > > > D7 5 > > > D9 11 > > > D10 7 > > > D12 12 > > > D16 3 > > > D20 4 > > > D24 8 > > > D27 9 > > > D30 6 > > > D40 2 > > > D45 9 > > > D60 9 > > > > > > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in > > > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati > nadi > > > just before. > > > > > > > > > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in > > > > > > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 > > > > > > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi > > > > > > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per > > KAS > > > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg > system > > > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. > > > > > > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it > will > > > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different > based > > > on fixed, movable and dual sign. > > > > > > > > > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and > KASN > > > > > > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and > > its > > > also 31st for KASN. > > > > > > > > > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. > > > > > > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but > as > > > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. > > > > > > > > > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. > > > > > > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and > distinct > > > 1800 nadis. > > > > > > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts > > > (irrsepective of where u start it). > > > > > > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It > > start > > > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. > > > > > > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, > > movable > > > and fixed. > > > > > > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but > > unequal > > > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna > > changes > > > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 > > > seperate and unique combinations. > > > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. > > > > > > > > > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of > > 12 > > > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on > > fixed, > > > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is > > the > > > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional > chart > > > positions. > > > > > > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book > > and > > > some people plagrised his works after learning from him. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > > Rayudu " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please > > > explain more. > > > > > > > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal > > > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the > > Tatwa/Antartatwa > > > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I > > > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean > by > > D- > > > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 > > chart > > > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas > > and > > > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the > example > > > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. > > If > > > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous > > mail, > > > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna > > > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce > > in > > > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give > > your > > > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > > > > > > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet > > > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi > > > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets > > > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi > chart > > > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes > the > > > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet > and > > > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its > degrees > > > and position in rasi. > > > > > > > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the > number > > > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional > chart > > > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and > > degrees > > > are known and the planetary position is as on that date, > location > > > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With > this > > > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts > could > > be > > > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in > different > > > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a > number > > > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, > India > > > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast > for > > > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts > > for > > > my better understanding. > > > > > > > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa > deals > > > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > > > > > > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi > > > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per > > > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to > > > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > > > > > > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each > > > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary > > > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological > > Magazine " > > > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the > > > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are > given > > > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do > not > > > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at > > such > > > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > > > > > > > Let me know details. > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However > > you > > > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size > > of > > > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that > Trishansa > > is > > > > not linear. > > > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal > divisions > > > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and > > > divide > > > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > > > > divisional charts. > > > > > > > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet > has > > > > changed a position in D chart. > > > > > > > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in > > > Horary > > > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and > > > once > > > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > > > > > > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > > > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 > > > equal > > > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you > i.e. > > > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > > > > > > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional > > > charts > > > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 > > mins) > > > = > > > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is > unequal > > > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And > > > again > > > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > > > > > > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal > > parts > > > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we > > are > > > > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > > > > > > > Hence my questions. > > > > > > > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju > V.R. > > > > Rayudu " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived > > > from > > > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > > > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, > > > Late > > > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I > > have > > > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please > > > read > > > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. > > > Even > > > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My > > friend > > > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this > > > field, > > > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in > > his > > > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this > matter, > > > than > > > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > > > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have > > > mentioned > > > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this > > stage > > > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > > > > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > > > > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > > > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga > charts. > > > > > > > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > > > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by > > > discussing > > > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > > > > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > > > > experience > > > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I > > > was > > > > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is > what > > I > > > > > wanted to understand. > > > > > > > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > > > > understand > > > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise > > > manner, > > > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and > > that > > > of > > > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi > and > > > > then > > > > > starts from 1. > > > > > > > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > > > > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 > > mins > > > > each > > > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > > > > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > > > > fundamental. > > > > > > > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about > > > Nadi > > > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > > > > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can > > share > > > > > your vast experience. > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Pemmaraju > > V.R. > > > > > Rayudu " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > > > > from > > > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes > > > (82minutes) > > > > in > > > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls > > > after > > > > 6 > > > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a > planet > > > is > > > > in > > > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet > will > > > be > > > > in > > > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are > > > 150. > > > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in > fixed > > > > rasis > > > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it > > starts > > > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa > in > > > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and > middle > > > one > > > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are > > to > > > be > > > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please > > see > > > my > > > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure > to > > > make > > > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to > > > make > > > > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification > useful > > > > to > > > > > you.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test > this > > > > nadi > > > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer > > program > > > > for > > > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in > the > > > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on > it > > > so > > > > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > > > > clockwise > > > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha > (1/60) > > > in > > > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me > yet > > > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from > > > Aries > > > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count > anticlockwise > > > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart > > and > > > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in > > > divisional > > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave > > > my > > > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as > a > > > > thumb > > > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do > not > > > > claim > > > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me > that > > > they > > > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further > > research > > > > can > > > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this > > method. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for > any > > > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have > put > > > it > > > > in > > > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you > would > > > do > > > > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this > forum > > > > is > > > > > for KAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > > > > confused > > > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me > if > > I > > > > am > > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 > > equal > > > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little > understanding > > I > > > > have > > > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart > > changes > > > > then > > > > > a > > > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional > > > charts. > > > > > That > > > > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra > with > > > KAS > > > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > > > > number > > > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all > not > > > > > linear. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on > dividing > > > the > > > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart > v/s > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, Thank you for your mail and replies to my questions. Its appreciated. Pemmaraju, here I am asking a rherotical questions and it maybe something that we do not or might not have an answer but I still need to put the thought on the table. If we are to take a Rasi and divided it into 150 equal parts of 12' mins arc then it becomes a 150th Divisional chart. We have only been given shodasa or 16 D chart by our Rishis. I do not know if a D150 chart has been written or given anywhere in any texts? Our Nadi is also based on D-charts that are given by Maharishis and not a new D chart that is like a new creation, if u know what I mean. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I give below, in same order, whatever I think I know. > > > 1. Nadi can be used for rectification and to know the general life pattern also since for each nadi of 12 " a life pattern is given. > 2. One has to search more nadi patterns and select the nearest suitable one and rectify > 3. The general characteristics of persons born in different tatwas are given, which can be known by arriving at the suitable tatwas for the birth time. > 4. Late Shri Santhanam gave the title of his book ( with 8200 slokas in three volumes) as " Deva Keralam ( Chandrakala Nadi) giving list of equal nadi divisions including that of C.G.Rajan, another great nadi reseacher.You have to ask JHora if they are different. > 5. Nadi chart being the subtlest is to know the seed pattern just like other varga charts show other aspects. > > It looks that the life, breath, tatwas, nadis, rasis, planets etc are all interlinked. It is said that a person is supposed to take 21600 breaths per day. In rasis, 360degrees is equal to 21600 " . Each equal nadi of 12' is further divided into 4 parts of each 3' representing brahmins, kshatriyas, vysyas, sudras (not to mean caste, but the role & characteristics), which is equal to 12 seconds in time, which is equal to Prithvi-Prithvi tatwa. The breath of Ida, Pingala and Sushumna also seem to come into play. > > I feel that it is not easy to understand the secrets of Cosmos, Cosmic Hierachy etc and these can be understood only through Divine Grace, Meditation and Poorva Punya. > > Sorry I cannot give better explanation since not much published literature is available, though it may be in some hands who do not want to share. > > Blessings > Pemmaraju > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > I gave some thought to your mail. I have a basic question that came > to my mind. > > 1) What is the use of Nadi the way its used i.e. the way u use it by > dividing it into 150 parts? Is it used for rectification only? or > is there some other use for it? If there are other use what > > 2) What if the birth time is more than 30 mins different than the > original birth date? Can the system be used? > > 3) What is the purpose of Tatwa and Antar tatwa ? What or how does > it help? > > 4) As per this mail you keep mentioning Deva Keralam and Chandra > kala nadi. I havent read those books however in the options given > in JHora the option given as set as per Chandra Kaala Nadi seems to > use unequal divisions and not equal divisions as given by you. So > pardon my ignorance here but there seems to be some difference here > in either the text available or if Deva Keralam or there maybe some > difference in understanding of Chandra Kaala Nadi. > > 5) Why is there a need to create a nadi chart ? What does this nadi > chart do? > > > As per the text in JHora it is said that > > " If your nadi calculation option is set is Chandra Kaala Nadi, then > this will fix the shodasa varga of prasna lagna " > > So it means that this is similar to what I am saying or similar to > what we are using in KASN. > > Now if Deva Keralam is using Chandra kaala nadi and u are saying > that Chandra kaala nadi as per Deva Keralam uses equal divisions > then there seems to be some difference in understanding. > > I do not know if Chandra Kaala Nadi uses equal or unequal > divisions? As per JHora it seems that if option is set to Chandra > Kaala Nadi then its using unequal divisions as we use it. > > When you get a chance can you please give your opinion and it will > be good learning. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla. > > > > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful > for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes. > > > > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at > Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D- 60 > lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform > nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since > Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at > 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60 > lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its > name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the > D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here. > > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all > planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues, > Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both > time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to > be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri > Krushnaji. > > > > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls > (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's > sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer > boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen > from same Indian community. > > > > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23; > ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin) 08:44 > AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone > +5:00, DST:0 > > > > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for > Saranya Pisces 20deg29. > > > > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets > positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has > not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and > Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should > be same in all respects. > > > > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I > got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face > and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair > as mother. > > > > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for > Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with > JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60 > lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva > Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi > lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as > per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per > C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also > changed.) > > > > > > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your > views. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > I shall answer in CAPS. > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health. > > > > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non- > uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are > arrived at from Trimshamsa. > > > > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM > TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR. > MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL > PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 > RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI. > > > > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI > CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS > GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW. > > > > > > > > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get > it?). > > > > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH > AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING. > > > > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D > chart should change and I do not know why it is required. > > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal > charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results. > If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse > Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only. > > > > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A > PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS. > > > > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and > said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts > from KAS? Can u please explain further. > > > > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE > DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND > OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED. > > > > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE > 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL. > > > > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT > HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS. > > > > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I > want to learn it also. > > > > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND > HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY > STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT > IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE > ARE USING KAS. > > > > > > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is > correct. This is for discussion sake only. > > > > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT . THIS IS A GOOD > DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A > VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST > UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE > ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL > BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING. > > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE > ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO > NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS > THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME > DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL > 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU > AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > > > > > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other > born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will be > in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and > other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects. > > > > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH > LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA. > > > > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE > SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR > THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA > CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A > CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE > USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS > AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE > KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME. > > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT > BE SAME. > > > > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person > will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be > in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and > other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas > changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different > results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the > Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly, > how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's > Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to > refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly > matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used > > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly > match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I > think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that > this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken > from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva > nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in > characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is > mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different > combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This may > be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken. > > > > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN > TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS > PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM? > > > > > > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE > HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS. > > > > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS. > > > > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN > THE POPULATION OF EARTH. > > > > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. > > > > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS > EATING. > > > > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this > Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you > can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help > from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji. > > > > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF > NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS. > > > > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH > THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY > EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS > IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN > EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE. > > > > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts. > > > > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME > INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO > GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES. > > > > > > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete. > > > > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. > PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR > WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND > BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS > THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A > NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND > LAGNA. > > > > Sorry to take your precious time. > > > > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING. > > > > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no > hurry. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > CHEERS !!! > > ASH > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > I am very tired today and not feeling too well. > > > > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to > understand. > > > > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. > > This is what you do. > > Select Menu item > > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. > > The option 3 is written there. > > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will > > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option > > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of > prasna > > lagna " > > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace > > lagna with Prasna lagna. > > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are > > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly > > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that > > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. > > > > I think u will understand what I am trying to say. > > > > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi > > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we > > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. > > > > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as > > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power > > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the > get > > all the info there after for example. > > > > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart > > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. > > > > D1 10 > > D2 4 > > D3 10 > > D4 10 > > D7 5 > > D9 11 > > D10 7 > > D12 12 > > D16 4 > > D20 4 > > D24 8 > > D27 9 > > D30 6 > > D40 2 > > D45 9 > > D60 9 > > > > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might > divide > > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi > cant > > be linear. > > > > So here Sun is neutral. > > > > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. > > > > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala > > Nadi. So here we get > > > > D1 10 > > D2 4 > > D3 10 > > D4 10 > > D7 5 > > D9 11 > > D10 8 > > D12 12 > > D16 4 > > D20 5 > > D24 8 > > D27 9 > > D30 6 > > D40 3 > > D45 10 > > D60 10 > > > > > > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn > > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and > > D60 change. > > > > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati > > Nadi. > > > > D1 10 > > D2 4 > > D3 10 > > D4 10 > > D7 5 > > D9 11 > > D10 7 > > D12 12 > > D16 3 > > D20 4 > > D24 8 > > D27 9 > > D30 6 > > D40 2 > > D45 9 > > D60 9 > > > > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in > > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi > > just before. > > > > > > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in > > > > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 > > > > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi > > > > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per > KAS > > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system > > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. > > > > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will > > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based > > on fixed, movable and dual sign. > > > > > > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN > > > > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and > its > > also 31st for KASN. > > > > > > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. > > > > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as > > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. > > > > > > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. > > > > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct > > 1800 nadis. > > > > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts > > (irrsepective of where u start it). > > > > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It > start > > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. > > > > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, > movable > > and fixed. > > > > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but > unequal > > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna > changes > > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 > > seperate and unique combinations. > > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. > > > > > > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of > 12 > > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on > fixed, > > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is > the > > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart > > positions. > > > > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book > and > > some people plagrised his works after learning from him. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please > > explain more. > > > > > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal > > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the > Tatwa/Antartatwa > > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I > > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by > D- > > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 > chart > > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas > and > > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example > > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. > If > > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous > mail, > > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna > > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce > in > > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give > your > > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > > > > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet > > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi > > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets > > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart > > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the > > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and > > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees > > and position in rasi. > > > > > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number > > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart > > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and > degrees > > are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location > > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this > > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could > be > > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different > > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number > > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India > > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for > > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts > for > > my better understanding. > > > > > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals > > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > > > > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi > > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per > > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to > > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > > > > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each > > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary > > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological > Magazine " > > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the > > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given > > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not > > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at > such > > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > > > > > Let me know details. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However > you > > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size > of > > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa > is > > > not linear. > > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and > > divide > > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > > > divisional charts. > > > > > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > > > changed a position in D chart. > > > > > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in > > Horary > > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and > > once > > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > > > > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 > > equal > > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > > > > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional > > charts > > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 > mins) > > = > > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And > > again > > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > > > > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal > parts > > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we > are > > > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > > > > > Hence my questions. > > > > > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > > Rayudu " > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived > > from > > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, > > Late > > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I > have > > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please > > read > > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. > > Even > > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My > friend > > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this > > field, > > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in > his > > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, > > than > > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have > > mentioned > > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this > stage > > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > > > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by > > discussing > > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > > > experience > > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I > > was > > > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what > I > > > > wanted to understand. > > > > > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > > > understand > > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise > > manner, > > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and > that > > of > > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > > > then > > > > starts from 1. > > > > > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 > mins > > > each > > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > > > fundamental. > > > > > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about > > Nadi > > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can > share > > > > your vast experience. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju > V.R. > > > > Rayudu " > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > > > from > > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes > > (82minutes) > > > in > > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls > > after > > > 6 > > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet > > is > > > in > > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will > > be > > > in > > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are > > 150. > > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > > > rasis > > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it > starts > > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle > > one > > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are > to > > be > > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please > see > > my > > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to > > make > > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to > > make > > > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > > > to > > > > you.. > > > > > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > > > nadi > > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer > program > > > for > > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it > > so > > > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > > > clockwise > > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) > > in > > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from > > Aries > > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart > and > > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in > > divisional > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave > > my > > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > > > thumb > > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > > > claim > > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that > > they > > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further > research > > > can > > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this > method. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put > > it > > > in > > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would > > do > > > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > > > is > > > > for KAS. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > > > confused > > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if > I > > > am > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 > equal > > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding > I > > > have > > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart > changes > > > then > > > > a > > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional > > charts. > > > > That > > > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with > > KAS > > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > > > number > > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > > > linear. > > > > > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing > > the > > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 > So > the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you > send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further > research vis-a-vis equal division list? Dear Pemmaraju, Fyi, only program which shows Nadis, ruler of Nadis and index (as far as I know) is JHL version 7.03. There is no practical difference between this version and 7.02, except this Nadi adition. As far as I know, Nadi division was taken from Chandra Kala Nadi. Also, this version is not released officially, but was there 7-8 months ago available for some time (I do not not if it is still available). I can send 7.03 upgrade to those who are interested. all the best, Dadhi - Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:07 PM Re: Re: Nadi and KAS - Details (KASN) Thanks Ash. I did again and got different D-40s for their diffrerent lagna degrees. So the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further research vis-a-vis equal division list? Blessings Pemmaraju ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Please ignore this mail. Yes the essense is same. I mis-calculated the time zone. I got the chart with CDT instead of EST. Ok. Yes, the essense is the same. Here again lagna nadi is different. Twin born at 8:43 AM D1 Pi D2 Cn D3 Sc D4 Vi D7 Cp D9 Cp D10 Ta D12 Sc D16 Li D20 Vi D24 Sc D27 Cn D30 Cp D40 Sg D45 Ge D60 Cn Twin Born at 8:44 AM D1 Pi D2 Cn D3 Sc D4 Vi D7 Cp D9 Cp D10 Ta D12 Sc D16 Li D20 Vi D24 Sc D27 Cn D30 Cp D40 Cp << D45 Ge D60 Cn D40 changes here as the lagna nadi changes. So here the planets change houses in D40. Here they are from Sun to Ketu. Sg 2 5 2 3 3 2 3 4 4 Cp 1 4 1 2 2 1 2 3 3 Sorry about the confusion. The charts of twins can't be same. Just an observation. The first 2 letters of the name are also " Sa " . Congratulations to your Wifes Sistes Son on the twins both of which have 5 sectors of Shani in the D charts. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Dear Dadhi, Thank you very much for your reply. I have JHora 7.02. It does not give the list of nadis with different non uniform durations of nadis and names. It refers to Chandrakala nadi for unequal non unifroim nadis. I do not know whether Chandrakala nadi refers to non unifrom nadis. or unifrom nadis of each 12' arc.. Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can check whether this information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis and names are given in this program. Ash replied that he will be doing this list of non unifrom nadis and names in due course as time permits. Blessings Pemmaraju Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote: > So > the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you > send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further > research vis-a-vis equal division list? Dear Pemmaraju, Fyi, only program which shows Nadis, ruler of Nadis and index (as far as I know) is JHL version 7.03. There is no practical difference between this version and 7.02, except this Nadi adition. As far as I know, Nadi division was taken from Chandra Kala Nadi. Also, this version is not released officially, but was there 7-8 months ago available for some time (I do not not if it is still available). I can send 7.03 upgrade to those who are interested. all the best, Dadhi - Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:07 PM Re: Re: Nadi and KAS - Details (KASN) Thanks Ash. I did again and got different D-40s for their diffrerent lagna degrees. So the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further research vis-a-vis equal division list? Blessings Pemmaraju ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Please ignore this mail. Yes the essense is same. I mis-calculated the time zone. I got the chart with CDT instead of EST. Ok. Yes, the essense is the same. Here again lagna nadi is different. Twin born at 8:43 AM D1 Pi D2 Cn D3 Sc D4 Vi D7 Cp D9 Cp D10 Ta D12 Sc D16 Li D20 Vi D24 Sc D27 Cn D30 Cp D40 Sg D45 Ge D60 Cn Twin Born at 8:44 AM D1 Pi D2 Cn D3 Sc D4 Vi D7 Cp D9 Cp D10 Ta D12 Sc D16 Li D20 Vi D24 Sc D27 Cn D30 Cp D40 Cp << D45 Ge D60 Cn D40 changes here as the lagna nadi changes. So here the planets change houses in D40. Here they are from Sun to Ketu. Sg 2 5 2 3 3 2 3 4 4 Cp 1 4 1 2 2 1 2 3 3 Sorry about the confusion. The charts of twins can't be same. Just an observation. The first 2 letters of the name are also " Sa " . Congratulations to your Wifes Sistes Son on the twins both of which have 5 sectors of Shani in the D charts. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 You are right Ash, that usual D-150 chart with equal divisions or Nadi chart with equal divisions as proposed by me in my web site or another of making Nadi chart with non-unifrom divisions are not given in any standard texts ( and so in Jhora also!). It is a new creation. Even Sage Jaimini did more research ( Meditation !) and proposed more rules in continuation of Parasara theories.. Many others later on formulated many rules based on their research, observation, experience etc. But, as you know ,research goes on and engineers like us with much analytical background and understanding the basic principle of divisions should do something to go into the subtlest , most Shooshma level , trends than roaming in Sthoola and Shushma spheres, pertaining to the present modern life trends and the forthcoming future trends of life style. Do not worry, go on working with Meditation ,with Satwik pattern of life style, and Prayers ,you will know the secrets. As I told you earlier that yougsters like you only can bring the glory again of this ancient subject. As far I live, as far as my health permits and as far as I know , I will try to help you in your research endeavurs. Ofcourse, Shri Krushnaji is there to help u. All the best. Blessings Pemmaraju ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Thank you for your mail and replies to my questions. Its appreciated. Pemmaraju, here I am asking a rherotical questions and it maybe something that we do not or might not have an answer but I still need to put the thought on the table. If we are to take a Rasi and divided it into 150 equal parts of 12' mins arc then it becomes a 150th Divisional chart. We have only been given shodasa or 16 D chart by our Rishis. I do not know if a D150 chart has been written or given anywhere in any texts? Our Nadi is also based on D-charts that are given by Maharishis and not a new D chart that is like a new creation, if u know what I mean. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I give below, in same order, whatever I think I know. > > > 1. Nadi can be used for rectification and to know the general life pattern also since for each nadi of 12 " a life pattern is given. > 2. One has to search more nadi patterns and select the nearest suitable one and rectify > 3. The general characteristics of persons born in different tatwas are given, which can be known by arriving at the suitable tatwas for the birth time. > 4. Late Shri Santhanam gave the title of his book ( with 8200 slokas in three volumes) as " Deva Keralam ( Chandrakala Nadi) giving list of equal nadi divisions including that of C.G.Rajan, another great nadi reseacher.You have to ask JHora if they are different. > 5. Nadi chart being the subtlest is to know the seed pattern just like other varga charts show other aspects. > > It looks that the life, breath, tatwas, nadis, rasis, planets etc are all interlinked. It is said that a person is supposed to take 21600 breaths per day. In rasis, 360degrees is equal to 21600 " . Each equal nadi of 12' is further divided into 4 parts of each 3' representing brahmins, kshatriyas, vysyas, sudras (not to mean caste, but the role & characteristics), which is equal to 12 seconds in time, which is equal to Prithvi-Prithvi tatwa. The breath of Ida, Pingala and Sushumna also seem to come into play. > > I feel that it is not easy to understand the secrets of Cosmos, Cosmic Hierachy etc and these can be understood only through Divine Grace, Meditation and Poorva Punya. > > Sorry I cannot give better explanation since not much published literature is available, though it may be in some hands who do not want to share. > > Blessings > Pemmaraju > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > I gave some thought to your mail. I have a basic question that came > to my mind. > > 1) What is the use of Nadi the way its used i.e. the way u use it by > dividing it into 150 parts? Is it used for rectification only? or > is there some other use for it? If there are other use what > > 2) What if the birth time is more than 30 mins different than the > original birth date? Can the system be used? > > 3) What is the purpose of Tatwa and Antar tatwa ? What or how does > it help? > > 4) As per this mail you keep mentioning Deva Keralam and Chandra > kala nadi. I havent read those books however in the options given > in JHora the option given as set as per Chandra Kaala Nadi seems to > use unequal divisions and not equal divisions as given by you. So > pardon my ignorance here but there seems to be some difference here > in either the text available or if Deva Keralam or there maybe some > difference in understanding of Chandra Kaala Nadi. > > 5) Why is there a need to create a nadi chart ? What does this nadi > chart do? > > > As per the text in JHora it is said that > > " If your nadi calculation option is set is Chandra Kaala Nadi, then > this will fix the shodasa varga of prasna lagna " > > So it means that this is similar to what I am saying or similar to > what we are using in KASN. > > Now if Deva Keralam is using Chandra kaala nadi and u are saying > that Chandra kaala nadi as per Deva Keralam uses equal divisions > then there seems to be some difference in understanding. > > I do not know if Chandra Kaala Nadi uses equal or unequal > divisions? As per JHora it seems that if option is set to Chandra > Kaala Nadi then its using unequal divisions as we use it. > > When you get a chance can you please give your opinion and it will > be good learning. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you for your reply and for enjoying my bla bla. > > > > Here is some more bla bla, which, I hope, would be more useful > for your further research. Please correct it for any mistakes. > > > > Take theoritically a person born on 14 March 2005, 6:02 AM at > Hyderabad 17N23, 78E29. As per KAS, Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg20, D- 60 > lagna is Aries and Nadi is first nadi in Aries as per non-uniform > nadis/ KAS nadis (since the first nadi Vasudha as per KAS since > Vasudha is from 0deg to 0deg30.) Say, a second person is born at > 6:03AM on same day at same place. Rasi lagna is Aries 0deg38,D-60 > lagna is Taurus and Nadi has changed to the second nadi whatever its > name as per non-uniform nadis/KAS nadis. Since the nadi changed, the > D-60 lagna changed or vice versa. I think I am OK upto here. > > But I found in Divisionals charts for both births that all > planets are in the same positions having same number of Blues, > Greens,Reds, which I suppose they have similar strengths for both > time of births. You had already said that the meaning of this is to > be sorted out and understood at a later date with the help of Shri > Krushnaji. > > > > Now let me discuss the following practical case of Twin girls > (named Sahasra & Saranya )recently born to the son of my wife's > sister, nearly 8 years after their marriage. Father is a computer > boy in USA as usual (green card) and wife house wife USA citizen > from same Indian community. > > > > DoB 27 Feb 2006; PoB Atlanta, Georgia state, USA 33N44, 84W23; > ToB for Sahasra (First twin) 08:43 AM and Saranya (second twin) 08:44 > AM as given by the hospital after caesarian operation. Time Zone > +5:00, DST:0 > > > > As per KAS, for Sahasra, Rasi Lagna is Pisces 20deg6 and for > Saranya Pisces 20deg29. > > > > I find in Divisionals, both have same lagnas and planets > positions in all D charts, from which I understand that the nadi has > not changed. Also all planets have same number of Blue, Green and > Red colours. Please check this, I may be wrong. If so, both should > be same in all respects. > > > > As usual, we are all curious how they look like. As it is now, I > got the photos and phone call information that one is of round face > and fair as father and the other is slightly oval face and not fair > as mother. > > > > (May be irrelevant here, but still for your information, for > Lahari Aynamsa (23:56:36) with Goravani Jyotish Package (even with > JHora), for Sahasra I get Rasi Lagna Pisces 19deg12min19sec,D-60 > lagna Taurus, 97th Dhruva Nadi as per equal division (as per Deva > Keralam) or Jarjhara (as per C.G.Rajan). For Saranya I get Rasi > lagna Pisces 19deg34min50sec,D-60 lagna Gemini, 98th Musala nadi as > per equal division (as per Deva Keralam) or Dhruva nadi (as per > C.G.Rajan). You can see the nadi changed and D-60 lagna also > changed.) > > > > > > So please study the above at your leisure and let me know your > views. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > I shall answer in CAPS. > > > > " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you for your explanation in spite of your ill health. > > > > Yes, Jhora program gives the same. I do not know how the non- > uniform nadi amshas( can you please send me the list of these) are > arrived at from Trimshamsa. > > > > ASH: I THINK U HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. THESE ARE NOT DERIVED FROM > TRISHANSA. I SAID THAT ALL CHARTS OTHER THAN TRISHANSA ARE LINEAR. > MEANS WE ARE DIVIDING A RASI INTO EQUAL PARTS. SO D9 = 9 EQUAL > PARTS OF RASI EACH SPANNING 3DEG20. DASHANSA = 10 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 > RASI SPANNING 3 DEG EACH. D60 = 60 EQUAL PARTS OF 1 RASI. > > > > BUT TRISHANSA IS NOT THAT WAY. ITS NOT LINEAR. AND HENCE NADI > CANT BE LINEAR. KASN NADI MEANS ITS BASED ON D CHARTS JUST AS ITS > GIVEN IN JHORA. I HOPE ITS CLEAR NOW. > > > > > > > > I do not have the book of Shri Krushnaji on Nadi( where to get > it?). > > > > HE DID NOT PUBLISH IT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE WORLD OF JYOTISH > AFTER THE INCIDENT OF PLAGRASING. > > > > I do not know the theory that when the nadi changes, the D > chart should change and I do not know why it is required. > > May be to find the difference in D charts between two natal > charts with close difference of nadi minutes to get better results. > If so then the non uniform division should only be taken. Ofcourse > Krushnaji and you must have definitely found the correct system only. > > > > NADI AS USED IN KAS IT IS NOT CREATED OR FOUNDED. ALL THIS IS A > PART OF THE SYSTEM WHAT WE HAVE CALLED IT KAS. > > > > You mentioned different D-chart positions for Sun 5 Capri 45 and > said that Sun is neutral. How to find the strength from these charts > from KAS? Can u please explain further. > > > > YES, YOU CAN CHECK THAT IN OUR KAS2005 PROGRAM. IN THE > DIVISIONAL CHARTS PAGE. DONNA AND I HAVE MARKED THE UNCCHA, MT AND > OWN SIGNS IN DIFFERENT COLOUR AND NEECHA SIGN IN RED. > > > > SO GIVE 1 POINT TO EACH. SO AS PER 5 CAP 45 FOR SUN, U CAN SEE > 1 GREEN AND 1 RED. SO +1 AND -1 = 0. THEREBY MAKING IT NEUTRAL. > > > > NOW, THAT BEING SAID, HOW IT IS USED IN KAS AND WHAT DEPTH THAT > HAS ETC ONLY KRUSHNAJI KNOWS. > > > > Where is the Krushna Horary Number system which you are using? I > want to learn it also. > > > > I AM ALSO WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION OF KAS FOR PRASHNA, AND > HORARY, VASTU SHASTRA, MAHURUTA ETC. BUT STEP ONE IS TO BECOME VERY > STRONG OR HAVE A STRONG FUNDAMENTALS IN KAS AND THE TECHNIQUE THAT > IS TAUGHT. THE REST ARE APPLICATIONS OF IT CAUSE FOR ANY TIMING WE > ARE USING KAS. > > > > > > Let me exchange my ignorance. I do not claim the following is > correct. This is for discussion sake only. > > > > DEAR PEMMARAJU, YOU BY NO MEANS ARE IGNORANT . THIS IS A GOOD > DISCUSSION AS I AM JUST STARTING MY STUDIES IN KAS. KRUSHNAJI IS A > VERY GOOD TEACHER BUT HE HAS TOLD ME TO WORK HARD AND FIRST > UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. I COULD NOT ALSO FIND ANY OTHER NICER SITE > ON GOOLE ON NADIS. SO IF I AM INDULGING IN DISUCSION IT WILL > BENEFIT ME IMMENSELY TO UNDERSTAND AND GET THE JUICES FLOWING. > > SO IT IS AN HONOUR TO INDULGE IN A NICE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE > ALL CAN LEARN OR ATLEAST HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WE DO > NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT WE CAN SOLVE IN TIME. BUT SINCE THIS IS > THE VERY BASIC OF CASING THE NADI AND IT DEFINITELY WARRENTS SOME > DISUCSSION TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF TAKING EQUAL > 12' ARCS V/S UNEQUAL AS TAUGHT IN KAS OR AS PER KRUSHAJI, HIS GURU > AND HIS GURUS LINEAGE. > > > > > > Let us say one person is born in Aries with Lagna 12' and other > born after one minute with Lagna 27'. As per KAS nadi, both will be > in 1st nadi and D-60 Aries and there is no change of nadi, D-60 and > other D-charts. So both should be same in all respects. > > > > ONE SEC, HERE WE ARE FINDING THE NADI OF ALL 9 GRAHAS ALONG WITH > LAGNA. SO HERE U HAVE ONLY MENTIONED LAGNA. > > > > TAKE TWINS, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR, SO MAYBE MORE D CHARTS MIGHT BE > SAME, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR WIFES NAMES BEGINING WITH SAME LETTER OR > THEY MAY DIE ALSO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER'S DATES. IF SAY NAVAMSA > CHANGES OR SAY A NADI CHANGED WHERE NAVAMSA CHANGED THEN IT MAY BE A > CASE WHERE ONE TWIN MAY MARRY EARLY AND OTHER MIGHT LATE AS WE ARE > USING KAS AND STUDY NAVAMSA ALSO TO FIND DELAY. ETC. SO D CHARTS > AND PLANETS IN D CHARTS BECOME IMPORTANT. OFCOUSE IN TIME WITH MORE > KNOWLEDGE AND WITH GOOD DATA OF TWINS WE WILL STUDY THE SAME. > > BUT NO 2 TWINS CAN HAVE SAME NADI AND HENCE THEIR FUTURES CANT > BE SAME. > > > > But as per Tatwa/ Antartatwa Siddhanta system, the first person > will be in 1st nadi in Prithvi-Tejo tatwa and the second one will be > in 3rd nadi with Prithvi-Akash tatwa, both having same D-60 and > other D-charts and here nadi changes, D-60 same, but the Antartatwas > changes and so both cannot be same in all respects, since different > results/ characteristics for each nadi (some of them given in the > Astrological magazine, Chandrakala nadi, Dhruva Nadi astonishingly, > how not known) and for each tatwa (some broadly given in my guru's > Telugu book)are mentioned. Dr.B.V.Raman once told me that he used to > refer to the nadi pattern in his Dhruva Nadi Grantha for roughly > matching the life events for rectification of birth time. I also used > > the broad nadi amsa results from available literature to roughly > match my general life pattern for rectification of my birth time (I > think I gave it in an article in my web site). I read somewhere that > this nadi pattern of equal division from tatwa siddhanta is taken > from Bhrugu Nadi.The same is mentioned in Chandrakala nadi & Dhruva > nadi also. So when nadi changes, tatwa should change with change in > characteristics, though all D-charts remain same. I think it is > mentioned in Bhagavadgita that the birth is taken with different > combinations of Tatwas/Gunas as per one's last birth Karma. This may > be the reason that the nadi pattern of equal division is taken. > > > > HERE, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT ISNT TATWAS ALSO CONSIDERD IN > TRISHANSA WHERE WE LEAVE OUT SUN AND MOON AND DEAL WITH OTHERS > PLANETS AND THE HOUSE RULED BY THEM? > > > > > > AS PER OUR CASE, NO 2 PEOPLE CAN HAVE SAME NADI. IT MEANS WE > HAVE DISTINCT 1800 NADIS. > > > > TO EXTEND THAT WE GOT 9 GRAHAS. > > > > SO IN TOTAL WE GET 1800 fACTORIAL OR 1800! WHICH MAYBE MORE THAN > THE POPULATION OF EARTH. > > > > Whatever the system is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. > > > > OH, I CONCURR WITH YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROOF IS INDEED IN ITS > EATING. > > > > Unfortunately most of the literature of the secrets of this > Divine Science is lost and I am sure that only youngsters like you > can revive this ancient subject into limelight again with the help > from stalwart research astrologers like Krushnaji. > > > > YES, KRUSHNAJI HAS VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF > NADIS AND ITS ALSO PART OF KAS. > > > > I MEAN, PEMMARAJU, WHAT IS TAUGHT TILL NOW IN THE LESSONS WITH > THAT ONLY U CAN NARROW THE EVENT DOWN TO 13 DAYS FOR EACH AND EVERY > EVENT IF ONE IS ABLE TO GRASP THIS MUCH PORTION. I THINK 13 DAYS > IS QUITE TOLLERABLE AND KRUSHNAJI HAS SAID THAT WITH PRACTICE U CAN > EVEN GO TO EXACT DATE. > > > > Please convey my best wishes to Krushnaji for his great efforts. > > > > YES, THIS IS JUST THE START INTO THIS WONDERFUL JOURNEY FOR ME > INTO THE WORLD OF NADIS. I JUST HOPE I HAVE ENOUGH INTELLEGENCE TO > GRASP ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUSHAJI TEACHES. > > > > > > Sorry for this bla bla, if useful ponder over it, otherwise delete. > > > > NO WAY, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING POST AND I ENJOYED IT. > PLEASE POST YOUR THOUGHTS ON NADIS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR > WHY SOME SCHOOLS OF THOUGHTS HAVE EQUAL 12 " INSTEAD OF UNEQUAL AND > BASED ON DIVISIONS. YES I THINK THERE IS ONE OTHER DIFFERNECE IS > THAT U CAST A NADI CHART AND AS PER KASN WE DO NOT NEED TO CAST A > NADI CHART. ONCE WE KNOW THE NADI WE KNOW DETAILS OF THE PLANET AND > LAGNA. > > > > Sorry to take your precious time. > > > > MY PLEASURE IN REPLYING. > > > > Take care of your health first and then only reply. There is no > hurry. > > > > Blessings > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > CHEERS !!! > > ASH > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > I am very tired today and not feeling too well. > > > > However, I will try to write more on what I am trying to > understand. > > > > Yes, I found in JHora program by Narasimha some calculation. > > This is what you do. > > Select Menu item > > Mode, Go To Prsna/Horary Mode Screen. > > The option 3 is written there. > > " Nadi Prasna Mode. Enter a number between 1 and 1800 and this will > > fix the rasi and nadi of prasna lagna if your nadi option > > is " Chandra Kaala Nadi " , this will fix the shodasa vargas of > prasna > > lagna " > > In the " Which Lagna option " select the radio button Just replace > > lagna with Prasna lagna. > > I have not done full detailed analysis of the same but if we are > > fixing the Nadi which reflects Shodasa means that we are definitly > > considering Trishansa and that is not linear. This also means that > > Nadi can't be linear i.e. 12 mins each the way you have plotted it. > > > > I think u will understand what I am trying to say. > > > > I also know one thing that as per KAS we do not cast any Nadi > > chart. When we say that we have fixed the nadi of the planet we > > know in which sign the planet is in, in shodasa. > > > > For example say if Sun is at 5Cp45 then it is Kulashaa nadi and as > > per KAS we only need the name. We will know immediately the power > > of sun. As per KAS all we need to just know the Nadi name we the > get > > all the info there after for example. > > > > If Sun's nadi is Kulashaa then we get the first column is D chart > > and the next is the sign where its placed in D chart. > > > > D1 10 > > D2 4 > > D3 10 > > D4 10 > > D7 5 > > D9 11 > > D10 7 > > D12 12 > > D16 4 > > D20 4 > > D24 8 > > D27 9 > > D30 6 > > D40 2 > > D45 9 > > D60 9 > > > > Now in Trishansa (D30 might be misleading to those who might > divide > > a rasi into 30 equal parts) its not linear, there for the nadi > cant > > be linear. > > > > So here Sun is neutral. > > > > So if here sun changes a sign in any d chart the nadi will change. > > > > Lets take next nadi. If Sun is at 6Cp01 then it goes to Kamala > > Nadi. So here we get > > > > D1 10 > > D2 4 > > D3 10 > > D4 10 > > D7 5 > > D9 11 > > D10 8 > > D12 12 > > D16 4 > > D20 5 > > D24 8 > > D27 9 > > D30 6 > > D40 3 > > D45 10 > > D60 10 > > > > > > Here you can see clearly that When sun's nadi changes in Capricorn > > from Kulashaa nadi to Kamala nadi then D7, D10, D20, D40, D45 and > > D60 change. > > > > Let us take Sun from 5:33:20 to 5:37:30 in Capricorn falls in Mati > > Nadi. > > > > D1 10 > > D2 4 > > D3 10 > > D4 10 > > D7 5 > > D9 11 > > D10 7 > > D12 12 > > D16 3 > > D20 4 > > D24 8 > > D27 9 > > D30 6 > > D40 2 > > D45 9 > > D60 9 > > > > Here you can See that Sun has changed in D16. In Kulasha nadi in > > capricorn Sun is in Cancer wheareas Sun is in Gemini in Mati nadi > > just before. > > > > > > As per your calculation 5Cp45 will fall in > > > > 5 * 60 + 45 = 345 > > > > 345 / 12 = 28.75 => 29th Nadi > > > > So as per your calculations Sun will be in 29th Nadi but as per > KAS > > (or for simplicity we can call it KASN (krushna ashtakvarg system > > Nadi or nadi as used in KAS) it will fall in 30th nadi. > > > > so 29th nadi will mean from Capricorn to Taurus and for us it will > > fall in Gemini. So it means the nadi name might be different based > > on fixed, movable and dual sign. > > > > > > Then for 5:37:00 is 29th nadi for both calculations yours and KASN > > > > For 6:00:01 is 31st nadi as per your calcs and its 31st nadi and > its > > also 31st for KASN. > > > > > > Another example will be Vadudha nadi in Aries. > > > > As per KASN 0:00 to 0:30 is Vasudha nadi which is 1st nadi but as > > per your calcs it will be 3rd Nadi. > > > > > > So as per KASN once we fix the nadi we know Shodas varga. > > > > It also means that as per KASN we will have seperate and distinct > > 1800 nadis. > > > > I hope u understand why I asked about D150 means 12 Equal parts > > (irrsepective of where u start it). > > > > Like Navamsa, we get 9 equal parts of Rasi each of 3deg20. It > start > > varies from movable sign. But its 9 equal parts. > > > > Similaly D150 = 150 equal parts and its start based on dual, > movable > > and fixed. > > > > In KAS we do not use equal divisions of 12 minutes each but > unequal > > so that d chart is reflected and when a the planet or lagna > changes > > in d chart it means that the nadi has changed. So there are 1800 > > seperate and unique combinations. > > So once we fix a nadi it means we get shodasa. > > > > > > I would therefore like to understand why equal parts are made of > 12 > > minutes and that is nothing but a D150 (yes u start based on > fixed, > > movable, dual sign but still its 150 equal parts) and if that is > the > > theory then it must mean that its not consdering divisional chart > > positions. > > > > Yes, Krushnaji knows indepth Nadi's infact he had written a book > and > > some people plagrised his works after learning from him. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > Rayudu " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I really have not understood what you are driving at. Please > > explain more. > > > > > > My Gurus are not there to explain why they have taken equal > > divisions. As I have written, it must be as per the > Tatwa/Antartatwa > > Siddhanta. It does not become D-150 chart, if that is what I > > understood as in my previous mail. I do not know what you mean by > D- > > 150 chart and how you would prepare. As I have explained D-150 > chart > > and Nadi chart are different and different positions for lagnas > and > > planets would come. In my article Nadi Amsha Chart, in the example > > lagna is 5 Libra 54 and in Nadi chart the lagna would be Pisces. > If > > I take D-150 chart preparation as I understood in my previous > mail, > > that is counting clockwise from libra 27th from libra the lagna > > would be in D-150 Sagittarius. Similarly there will be differnce > in > > the positions of planets in D-150 and Nadi charts. Please give > your > > D–150 chart / nadi chart for the data given in my article. > > > > > > I do not understand that when a nadi changes means the planet > > changed a position in D chart. Please explain further. In nadi > > chart, if a nadi changes, the lagna position changes and planets > > would mostly remain in the same position of sign in the nadi chart > > and of course its position with respect to nadi lagna changes the > > house position from nadi lagna. The nadi division of a planet and > > its position in a sign in nadi chart is decided as per its degrees > > and position in rasi. > > > > > > I also do not understand how in KAS and Horary after the number > > from 1 to 1800 is given and fixing the nadi, each divisional chart > > and position is known. By the number the lagna position and > degrees > > are known and the planetary position is as on that date, location > > and time of cosultation/ when seen & analysed the chart. With this > > sign and degrees of lagna, the lagans of other varga charts could > be > > known and ofcourse the position of planets are known in different > > vargas from natal chart positionsin degrees. Please take a number > > 926 on 6 March 2006 at 8:01 PM at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India > > 17N23,78E29 and give the position of lagna and planets atleast for > > Moon in various varga charts including your D-150 / Nadi charts > for > > my better understanding. > > > > > > Trimsamsa deals with odd and even signs where as nadi amsa deals > > with movceble,fixed abd dual signs. > > > > > > I do not understand how by dividing into equal parts for nadi > > chart, we are ignoring the 16 D charts. They are prepared as per > > their rules. All the charts are studied, if anybody knows how to > > interpret them, to arrive at correct deleanation of life pattern. > > > > > > As you know probably, broad pattern of life is given for each > > nadi amsa irrespective of particular lagna and other planetary > > positions for some of the nadi amass in " The Astrological > Magazine " > > of Late Dr.B.V.Raman. Some more detailed results for some of the > > nadi amsas for different lagnas and planetary positions are given > > in " Deva Keralam – Chandrakala Nadi) by Late R.Santhanam. I do not > > think there is any literature available at any way to arrive at > such > > results from any varga charts including any type of nadi chart. > > > > > > Let me know details. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > Yes, I understand about 150 nadis in 12 signs = 1800. However > you > > > have touched that point which is in my mind about unequal size > of > > > nadi and my understanding of this is due to fact that Trishansa > is > > > not linear. > > > I wanted to understand why are Your Gurus taking equal divisions > > > which becomes nothing but a D150 chart means take a Rasi and > > divide > > > it into 150 equal parts but then that does not reflect the > > > divisional charts. > > > > > > For example we say that when a Nadi changes means the planet has > > > changed a position in D chart. > > > > > > Yes, one more thing is that as per KAS and its application in > > Horary > > > we ask a number between 1 and 1800 thereby fixing the nadi and > > once > > > that is done we know each divisional chart and position. > > > > > > So if you understand where I am coming from, I would like to > > > understand the essence of taking and dividing a Rasi into 150 > > equal > > > parts and the start of that is as per the text given by you i.e. > > > based on dual, movable and fixed sign. > > > > > > Even if unequal divisions are taken i.e. based on Divisional > > charts > > > i.e. 12 signs and 150 nadis (each nadi not necessarily be 12 > mins) > > = > > > 1800. However this difference or the reason why this is unequal > > > might be due to the fact that Trishansa can't be linear. And > > again > > > that is based on 16 Divisional charts. > > > > > > So the moot point is that is if u divide rasi into 150 equal > parts > > > and that becomes a D150 chart does it mean that in doing so we > are > > > ignoring the 16 D charts? > > > > > > Hence my questions. > > > > > > Please feel free to help me undestand this. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju V.R. > > > Rayudu " > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Yes, Each nadi is taken as 12 minutes in arc. It is derived > > from > > > the Tatwa and Antar Tatwa Siddhanta as per the rotation of the > > > Tatwas- Prithvi, Jala, Tejo, Vayu and Akash. Whatever my Guru, > > Late > > > Shri D.V.Subbarao, mentioned in his book about this point, I > have > > > given it in my article " Tatwa/ Antar Tatwa Siddhanta " . Please > > read > > > it. I have not read anything anywhere so far better than this. > > Even > > > my other Guru, Late Dr B.V.Raman, also told me the same. My > friend > > > Late Shri R.Santhanam, who did enormous research work in this > > field, > > > also mentioned each nadi amsa equal to 12 minutes arc only in > his > > > book " Deva Keralam " . So I may not help you more in this matter, > > than > > > taking the nadis as equal 150 divisions of each 12 minutes arc > > > amounting to a total of 1800 in each rasi. Some might have > > mentioned > > > unequal divisions for each nadi, which we may ignore at this > stage > > > of research when we do not even understand the present equal > > > division itself for interpretation of results. > > > > > > > > I wish you all success in preparing nadi chart and results > > > therein, in addition to the interpretation of other varga charts. > > > > > > > > I will help you whatever I know so far. > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > > > > KAS is a very detailed system which includes Nadi so by > > discussing > > > > Nadi's we are in the realm of KAS only. > > > > > > > > However I have just begun my studies in Nadi and you have > > > experience > > > > and have won awards for your papers which is very nice. So I > > was > > > > hoping that you will share your experience. > > > > > > > > Yes, I did read your post on Amsha's in Nadi and that is what > I > > > > wanted to understand. > > > > > > > > I do understand that there are 150 Nadi as given. I also > > > understand > > > > that the start of Nadi for Movable Rasi goes in clock wise > > manner, > > > > of that in Fixed Rasi goes from anti clock wise manner and > that > > of > > > > Dual sign starts in the middle and then reaches 150th nadi and > > > then > > > > starts from 1. > > > > > > > > So Movable sign nadi starts from 1 to 150 > > > > Fixed Sign nadi starts from 150 to 1 > > > > Dual sign nadi starts from 76 to 150 and then 1 to 75. > > > > > > > > My question is that do u consider each nadi to be exact 12 > mins > > > each > > > > i.e 150 nadis each of 12 mins = 1800. > > > > > > > > What I am trying to find or explore is the basics and the > > > > fundamental. > > > > > > > > Please feel free to share what your Guru's have shared about > > Nadi > > > > and the reasoning why its exact 12 mins for all nadis? > > > > > > > > It will help me get to the understanding of Nadis if u can > share > > > > your vast experience. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " Pemmaraju > V.R. > > > > Rayudu " > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for very much for appreciating my website. > > > > > > > > > > In D150 chart, I suppose you count clockwise in each rasi. > > > from > > > > that rasi. I mean if lagna is in Libra 1deg 22minutes > > (82minutes) > > > in > > > > Rasi, each 150 th division being 12 minutes, the lagna falls > > after > > > 6 > > > > signs from Libra in Aries counting 7th from Libra. If a planet > > is > > > in > > > > 2 deg 6 min (126 minutes) in Aquarius in Rasi, the planet will > > be > > > in > > > > Sagittarius counting 11 th from Aquarius and so on. > > > > > > > > > > In Nadi chart, it is not so even though the divisions are > > 150. > > > > In Moveable rasis, it goes clockwise from that rasi, in fixed > > > rasis > > > > it goes anticlockwise from that rasi and in dual rasis it > starts > > > > from middle of that rasi, goes to end and then goes to the > > > > beginning. This is because the first name of the nadi amsa in > > > > moveable rasi is same as the last one in fixed rasi and middle > > one > > > > in dual rasi. Each set of moveable, fixed and dual rasis are > to > > be > > > > taken separately. I cannot explain here the details. Please > see > > my > > > > article " Nadi Amsa Chart " where I have given the procedure to > > make > > > > the Nadi chart. I do not claim that it is the correct way to > > make > > > > the nadi chart. > > > > > > > > > > I do not know whether I have given some clarification useful > > > to > > > > you.. > > > > > > > > > > Of course it is difficult to make the nadi chart manually. > > > > Somebody has to make a computer program. I could not test this > > > nadi > > > > chart in many horoscopes since I do not have a computer > program > > > for > > > > the same. I published my method of making a nadi chart in the > > > > magazine " The Times of Astrology " , but nobody commented on it > > so > > > > far since nobody is interested in research. > > > > > > > > > > For your information, in D-60 chart, you cannot count > > > clockwise > > > > in each rasi, because the name of the first shashiamsha (1/60) > > in > > > > odd rasi is same as the last in even rasi. My Guru told me yet > > > > differently that you should count it clockwise starting from > > Aries > > > > for planets in odd rasis in rasi chart and count anticlockwise > > > > starting from Pisces for planets in even rasis in rasi chart > and > > > > also told me that you should consider the lordships in > > divisional > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking my data of marriage as per KAS. I gave > > my > > > > method for quickly getting onto the probable marriage age as a > > > thumb > > > > rule so that later on the details can be worked out. I do not > > > claim > > > > that it is a fool-proof method. Fortunately many told me that > > they > > > > are getting good results from this thumb rule. Further > research > > > can > > > > be done in this if anybody is interested to improve this > method. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am not able to concentrate anymore for any > > > > further research, spending more time in Meditation. I have put > > it > > > in > > > > my website whatever I know, hoping that persons like you would > > do > > > > further research and revive this great ancient science. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I do not want to go into discussion since this forum > > > is > > > > for KAS. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for recommending my website for people to visit. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > > > Pemmaraju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > > I was just going through your article on Nadi. I am a bit > > > > confused > > > > > due to maybe lack of understanding and you can correct me if > I > > > am > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Can you please clarify some points for me. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Have you considered Nadi's as equal portions i.e. 150 > equal > > > > > divisiosn within a Rasi ? > > > > > > > > > > 2) Is there any difference between D150 and a Nadi? > > > > > > > > > > The reason I ask is that from whatever little understanding > I > > > have > > > > > is that when a divisional chart or a planet in DChart > changes > > > then > > > > a > > > > > Nadi Changes. This is as per shodasa or 16 divisional > > charts. > > > > That > > > > > can't be equal parts? > > > > > > > > > > In my studies of Nadi with KAS and also Prashna Shastra with > > KAS > > > > > which we do it in a couple of ways and in one way we ask a > > > number > > > > > between 1 and 1800 i.e. we fix the nadi. But this is all not > > > > linear. > > > > > > > > > > Can you please talk a little bit on your opinion on dividing > > the > > > > > sign into 150 equal parts i.e. nothing but a D150 chart v/s > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, > Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can check > whether this information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis and > names are given in this program. Sorry, I have realized (too late) that the file is really huge. It is 99 Mb. It is not update as I thought, but complete JHL version. I'll try to place this file on some WEB site and let you know asap. all the best, Dadhi - Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:46 PM Re: Re: Nadi and KAS - Details (KASN) Dear Dadhi, Thank you very much for your reply. I have JHora 7.02. It does not give the list of nadis with different non uniform durations of nadis and names. It refers to Chandrakala nadi for unequal non unifroim nadis. I do not know whether Chandrakala nadi refers to non unifrom nadis. or unifrom nadis of each 12' arc.. Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can check whether this information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis and names are given in this program. Ash replied that he will be doing this list of non unifrom nadis and names in due course as time permits. Blessings Pemmaraju Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote: > So > the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you > send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further > research vis-a-vis equal division list? Dear Pemmaraju, Fyi, only program which shows Nadis, ruler of Nadis and index (as far as I know) is JHL version 7.03. There is no practical difference between this version and 7.02, except this Nadi adition. As far as I know, Nadi division was taken from Chandra Kala Nadi. Also, this version is not released officially, but was there 7-8 months ago available for some time (I do not not if it is still available). I can send 7.03 upgrade to those who are interested. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Greetings Pemmaraju and Dadhi, I am not familiar with the use of uniform or non-uniform nadis, but there is a JHora 7.03 that offers the options of calculating both [according to Chandra Kala Nadi, and Sanjay Rath's method as well]. You can download it here- http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tmp/jh703.zip Download it and extract it in your JHora bin folder, it will automatically replace your JHora.exe file, so if you want to keep this file you need to back it up in another folder. Now when you start JHora you should see 7.03 at the startup screen instead of 7.02. The nadi options will be under " preferences " , " calculations " , " divisional chart calculations " . Peace and Blessings, olusanya , " Dadhi " <denis. dumancic wrote: > > Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can check > > whether this information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis and > > names are given in this program. > > > Sorry, I have realized (too late) that the file is really huge. It is 99 Mb. It is not update as I thought, but complete JHL version. > > I'll try to place this file on some WEB site and let you know asap. > > all the best, > Dadhi > > > - > Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu > > Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:46 PM > Re: Re: Nadi and KAS - Details (KASN) > > > Dear Dadhi, > Thank you very much for your reply. > > I have JHora 7.02. It does not give the list of nadis with different non uniform durations of nadis and names. It refers to Chandrakala nadi for unequal non unifroim nadis. I do not know whether Chandrakala nadi refers to non unifrom nadis. or unifrom nadis of each 12' arc.. > Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can check whether this information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis and names are given in this program. > > Ash replied that he will be doing this list of non unifrom nadis and names in due course as time permits. > > Blessings > > Pemmaraju > > > Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote: > > > So > > the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you > > send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further > > research vis-a-vis equal division list? > > > > Dear Pemmaraju, > > Fyi, only program which shows Nadis, ruler of Nadis and index (as far as I know) is JHL version 7.03. There is no practical difference between this version and 7.02, except this Nadi adition. > > As far as I know, Nadi division was taken from Chandra Kala Nadi. > > Also, this version is not released officially, but was there 7-8 months ago available for some time (I do not not if it is still available). I can send 7.03 upgrade to those who are interested. > > all the best, > Dadhi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Dadhi, Thank you. I saw mail from somebody ( may be olu...) to me refering your reply to me and giving some link for jhora7,03. Unfortunately it got deleted. Hope it will be in your inbox. Please check it.Please forward it to me.. Blessings Pemmaraju Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can check > whether this information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis and > names are given in this program. Sorry, I have realized (too late) that the file is really huge. It is 99 Mb. It is not update as I thought, but complete JHL version. I'll try to place this file on some WEB site and let you know asap. all the best, Dadhi - Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:46 PM Re: Re: Nadi and KAS - Details (KASN) Dear Dadhi, Thank you very much for your reply. I have JHora 7.02. It does not give the list of nadis with different non uniform durations of nadis and names. It refers to Chandrakala nadi for unequal non unifroim nadis. I do not know whether Chandrakala nadi refers to non unifrom nadis. or unifrom nadis of each 12' arc.. Anyway, if posible please send the Jhora 7.03 so that I can check whether this information of list of duratron of non uniform nadis and names are given in this program. Ash replied that he will be doing this list of non unifrom nadis and names in due course as time permits. Blessings Pemmaraju Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote: > So > the nadis change..How to know the number and name of these nadis? Can you > send these unequal division list of nadis and names for my further > research vis-a-vis equal division list? Dear Pemmaraju, Fyi, only program which shows Nadis, ruler of Nadis and index (as far as I know) is JHL version 7.03. There is no practical difference between this version and 7.02, except this Nadi adition. As far as I know, Nadi division was taken from Chandra Kala Nadi. Also, this version is not released officially, but was there 7-8 months ago available for some time (I do not not if it is still available). I can send 7.03 upgrade to those who are interested. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, Fortunately, I have found un upgrade file from 7.02 to 7.03 of JHL. I can send you this upgrade. Since it is about 1Mb, I could not send it on this conference ( does not accept attached files bigger than 1Mb). I can send it to your e-mail address, if you have one ansd is not address. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Thank you Dadhi. I have other email addresses pvrrayudu and pvrrayudu I do not know whether they can take >1MB attachment.I am not a computer boy,Please check and send. As I told you, somebody sent me recently some link of jhora to get to 7.3 version under the same subject as reply to my mail in this forum itself giving instructions to what to do further, unfortunately I deleted it by mistake . Have you got that mail in your inbox in this forum? If so please forward it. Sorry for giving trouble. Blessings Pemmaraju Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Fortunately, I have found un upgrade file from 7.02 to 7.03 of JHL. I can send you this upgrade. Since it is about 1Mb, I could not send it on this conference ( does not accept attached files bigger than 1Mb). I can send it to your e-mail address, if you have one ansd is not address. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Hi I checked two softwares JHora 7.03 and Parashara's Light 6.1. Both give Nadi's .. Parashara's Light Software seems to be in-line with Chandra Kala Nadi (Dever Kalam). JHora 7.03 is giving me different Nadiamsa for some in a given birth chart. One Catch, Parashara's Light doesn't give Asc's Nadiamsa, But have to be manually caluculated. Thanks -Venkat " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: Thank you Dadhi. I have other email addresses pvrrayudu and pvrrayudu I do not know whether they can take >1MB attachment.I am not a computer boy,Please check and send. As I told you, somebody sent me recently some link of jhora to get to 7.3 version under the same subject as reply to my mail in this forum itself giving instructions to what to do further, unfortunately I deleted it by mistake . Have you got that mail in your inbox in this forum? If so please forward it. Sorry for giving trouble. Blessings Pemmaraju Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Fortunately, I have found un upgrade file from 7.02 to 7.03 of JHL. I can send you this upgrade. Since it is about 1Mb, I could not send it on this conference ( does not accept attached files bigger than 1Mb). I can send it to your e-mail address, if you have one ansd is not address. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Dear Venkat, I have not understood your statement that Jhora7.03 is giving you different nadiamsas for some in a given chart. I have Jhora 7.03. It gives different D-charts for different numbers from 1 to 1800 in Prasna for Uniform or NonUniform nadiamsas.It does not give in which nadi amsa the lagna or the planets fall. It does not give the list of the NonUniform nadi amsas, of course the Uniform nadi amsas are each of 12' duration for all the 150 nadi amsas in a sign of30 degrees. Please clarify. Blessings Pemmaraju Rayudu True Sunny <truesunny2002 wrote: Hi I checked two softwares JHora 7.03 and Parashara's Light 6.1. Both give Nadi's .. Parashara's Light Software seems to be in-line with Chandra Kala Nadi (Dever Kalam). JHora 7.03 is giving me different Nadiamsa for some in a given birth chart. One Catch, Parashara's Light doesn't give Asc's Nadiamsa, But have to be manually caluculated. Thanks -Venkat " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: Thank you Dadhi. I have other email addresses pvrrayudu and pvrrayudu I do not know whether they can take >1MB attachment.I am not a computer boy,Please check and send. As I told you, somebody sent me recently some link of jhora to get to 7.3 version under the same subject as reply to my mail in this forum itself giving instructions to what to do further, unfortunately I deleted it by mistake . Have you got that mail in your inbox in this forum? If so please forward it. Sorry for giving trouble. Blessings Pemmaraju Dadhi <denis.dumancic wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, Fortunately, I have found un upgrade file from 7.02 to 7.03 of JHL. I can send you this upgrade. Since it is about 1Mb, I could not send it on this conference ( does not accept attached files bigger than 1Mb). I can send it to your e-mail address, if you have one ansd is not address. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.