Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Dear Gita, You have rightly said that 9th is C for 5th. It means its next generation. Its the phalit sthan. 9th house is also Kul and Gotra sthan. A Zero there can indicate break in continuity of lineage. 9th hosue is also Karak of 2nd or family. Again a 0 there can show some issues w.r.t. family or growth in family. In this chart Guru is in libra. Guru is natural putra karak. Again Guru is in 6th house so in a black hole. Study the wifes chart in this case. Also study the marriage time. Did this gentleman marry in Me antra in Guru MD. i.e. Mercury 1996-Oct-16 1999-Jan-22 Again if he married in Me antra of Mo antra, there are less chances for him to have a child. Confirm the same from the wifes chart. Cheers !!! Ash kaslearner <kaslearner wrote: Dear Ash and others, I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for conception " . One of the rules state that neither the male or the female chart should have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out why. When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But what effect can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero due to saturn in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I assume when timing childbirth for this chart? Details: 5 Dec 1969 16:15 , Calcutta India. Thanks Gita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Dear Gita, I thought more about this. 9th house is also a very important house. Its also the house of Guru/father. We take lagna and 9th house and if they are in 5:9 then we say it sometimes overrides delay i marriage due to blessing of father or guru. 9th house is also the root karak sthan for 7th. So here if 9th house has a zero means some lacking of blessing too. Also 1st is SELF, 5th is next generation i.e. phalit sthan of 1st and that is Children. 5th from 5th is also grand children. A Zero there might indicate some problem with continueity of lineage. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash , Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Gita, > > You have rightly said that 9th is C for 5th. It means its next generation. Its the phalit sthan. > > 9th house is also Kul and Gotra sthan. A Zero there can indicate break in continuity of lineage. > > 9th hosue is also Karak of 2nd or family. Again a 0 there can show some issues w.r.t. family or growth in family. > > In this chart Guru is in libra. Guru is natural putra karak. Again Guru is in 6th house so in a black hole. > > Study the wifes chart in this case. Also study the marriage time. > > Did this gentleman marry in Me antra in Guru MD. i.e. > > Mercury 1996-Oct-16 1999-Jan-22 > > Again if he married in Me antra of Mo antra, there are less chances for him to have a child. > > Confirm the same from the wifes chart. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > kaslearner <kaslearner wrote: > Dear Ash and others, > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for conception " . > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female chart should > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out why. > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But what effect > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero due to saturn > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I assume when > timing childbirth for this chart? > > Details: > 5 Dec 1969 > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > Thanks > Gita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Dear KasLearner, According to my Atlas, Calcutta may lead to West Bengal (88e22.11 22n34.11), Bagh bazar and many other places... Would you give the proper coordinates you use? This should be done systematically for any given birth data... Exemple, mine (day month year, time zone, coordinates...): François, 10 february 1963, 3h52, Montreal (Quebec), 5h GMT (i.e. 8h52 GMT), 73W34, 45N31 It is a standard in western astrology data (for instance with Rodden or Bordoni datas, which are " the state of the art " )... We need standards in data coordinates. Western ones may be one of them... -- Best regards, François - " kaslearner " <kaslearner Friday, April 07, 2006 5:40 PM Question from lessons? > Dear Ash and others, > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for conception " . > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female chart should > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out why. > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But what effect > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero due to saturn > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I assume when > timing childbirth for this chart? > > Details: > 5 Dec 1969 > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > Thanks > Gita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Thanks for the reply, Ash. Some details about the native: 1) Native married in the last sector of Venus antra - Jupiter MD. I notice Venus is sixth lord. So problems in married life indicated. 2) Native does not have good relations with father right from childhood. As you rightly pointed out lack of blessings from father. 3) Native has filed for divorce against wife and waiting for a court hearing. This indicates troubled married life. Marriage analysis Date of Birth : 5-Dec-1969 Time : 16:15 Place: 22 N32 88 E 22 Both Rasi and Navamsa charts show a complete delay due to Saturn. However Jupiter aspects Sa both in Rasi and Navamsa and hence the basic delay is reduced to 24-25 yrs. The native was in Jupiter antra during this period. Jupiter aspects house A and hence cannot come forward to give marriage. The next antra is that of Saturn. Saturn is positioned in house A in Rasi and hence cannot come forward to give marriage again. The next is mercury antra. Again mercury is aspecting House A and is unable to give marriage. Ketu is the following antra. Ketu is SD to venus(Lo12), mars(LoE) and sun(LoD). I think ketu should have been able to give marriage. But marriage happened in the last sector of Venus antra. Married life is not happy. Venus is in the nakashtra of Saturn in Rasi. Saturn aspects Venus, Sun, Moon and Mars in Navamsa. In Navamsa, Venus is along with Mars increasing sexual feelings and indicates extramarital relations. Jupiter is aspecting Sa so the intensity may some what be reduced. Lo6 is in house 7 in rasi. Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 marriage like relations. In Rasi,Ve/Ma in 3:11, Me/Ju in 3:11 and Ma/Ma in 4:10 - total 50 points. In Navamsa, Ma/Ve in 2:12 , Me/Ju in 6:8 and Sa/Ve in 3:11 - total 25 points. If this marriage ends in a divorce I dont see the native will get married for atleast another 7 years. Am I right? May be this could be a reason for break in lineage. But Ash, what confuses me the most is a zero in 9th house indicates so many things. It could be delay or total denial or lack of blessings from father. How do we figure out what is best applicable to a chart? Thanks, Gita , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Gita, > I thought more about this. 9th house is also a very important > house. Its also the house of Guru/father. We take lagna and 9th > house and if they are in 5:9 then we say it sometimes overrides > delay i marriage due to blessing of father or guru. 9th house is > also the root karak sthan for 7th. So here if 9th house has a zero > means some lacking of blessing too. > > Also 1st is SELF, 5th is next generation i.e. phalit sthan of 1st > and that is Children. 5th from 5th is also grand children. A Zero > there might indicate some problem with continueity of lineage. > > Hope that helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > You have rightly said that 9th is C for 5th. It means its next > generation. Its the phalit sthan. > > > > 9th house is also Kul and Gotra sthan. A Zero there can > indicate break in continuity of lineage. > > > > 9th hosue is also Karak of 2nd or family. Again a 0 there can > show some issues w.r.t. family or growth in family. > > > > In this chart Guru is in libra. Guru is natural putra karak. > Again Guru is in 6th house so in a black hole. > > > > Study the wifes chart in this case. Also study the marriage > time. > > > > Did this gentleman marry in Me antra in Guru MD. i.e. > > > > Mercury 1996-Oct-16 1999-Jan-22 > > > > Again if he married in Me antra of Mo antra, there are less > chances for him to have a child. > > > > Confirm the same from the wifes chart. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > Dear Ash and others, > > > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for > conception " . > > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female chart > should > > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out why. > > > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But what > effect > > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero due to > saturn > > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I assume when > > timing childbirth for this chart? > > > > Details: > > 5 Dec 1969 > > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > > > > Thanks > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Dear Francois, Here is the data for calcutta. Coordinates : 22 N 32 88 E 22 Time Zone: IST -5:30 No DST. Hope this helps. Thanks Gita , " FRANCOIS CARRIERE " <shaula001 wrote: > > Dear KasLearner, > > According to my Atlas, Calcutta may lead to West Bengal (88e22.11 22n34.11), > Bagh bazar and many other places... Would you give the proper coordinates > you use? > > This should be done systematically for any given birth data... > Exemple, mine (day month year, time zone, coordinates...): > François, 10 february 1963, 3h52, Montreal (Quebec), 5h GMT (i.e. 8h52 GMT), > 73W34, 45N31 > > It is a standard in western astrology data (for instance with Rodden or > Bordoni datas, which are " the state of the art " )... > > We need standards in data coordinates. Western ones may be one of them... > > -- > Best regards, > François > > - > " kaslearner " <kaslearner > > Friday, April 07, 2006 5:40 PM > Question from lessons? > > > > Dear Ash and others, > > > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for conception " . > > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female chart should > > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out why. > > > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But what effect > > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero due to saturn > > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I assume when > > timing childbirth for this chart? > > > > Details: > > 5 Dec 1969 > > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > > > > Thanks > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Dear kaslearner, Sorry for interrupting but i had some doubts if u can clear. You said that > Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 marriage > like relations. Here you mean the second house from the lagna ? Is it just aspect that are to be considered or number of planets in the second house can also be taken into consideration if there are no aspects? Thanks/Regards Harjeet , " kaslearner " <kaslearner wrote: > > Thanks for the reply, Ash. > > Some details about the native: > > 1) Native married in the last sector of Venus antra - Jupiter MD. I > notice Venus is sixth lord. So problems in married life indicated. > > 2) Native does not have good relations with father right from > childhood. As you rightly pointed out lack of blessings from father. > > 3) Native has filed for divorce against wife and waiting for a court > hearing. This indicates troubled married life. > > > Marriage analysis > Date of Birth : 5-Dec-1969 > Time : 16:15 > Place: 22 N32 > 88 E 22 > > Both Rasi and Navamsa charts show a complete delay due to Saturn. > However Jupiter aspects Sa both in Rasi and Navamsa and hence the > basic delay is reduced to 24-25 yrs. The native was in Jupiter antra > during this period. > > Jupiter aspects house A and hence cannot come forward to give > marriage. The next antra is that of Saturn. Saturn is positioned in > house A in Rasi and hence cannot come forward to give marriage > again. The next is mercury antra. Again mercury is aspecting House > A and is unable to give marriage. Ketu is the following antra. Ketu > is SD to venus(Lo12), mars(LoE) and sun(LoD). I think ketu should > have been able to give marriage. But marriage happened in the last > sector of Venus antra. > > Married life is not happy. Venus is in the nakashtra of Saturn in > Rasi. Saturn aspects Venus, Sun, Moon and Mars in Navamsa. In > Navamsa, Venus is along with Mars increasing sexual feelings and > indicates extramarital relations. Jupiter is aspecting Sa so the > intensity may some what be reduced. Lo6 is in house 7 in rasi. > > Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 marriage > like relations. > > In Rasi,Ve/Ma in 3:11, Me/Ju in 3:11 and Ma/Ma in 4:10 - total 50 > points. In Navamsa, Ma/Ve in 2:12 , Me/Ju in 6:8 and Sa/Ve in 3:11 - > total 25 points. > > If this marriage ends in a divorce I dont see the native will get > married for atleast another 7 years. Am I right? May be this could > be a reason for break in lineage. > > But Ash, what confuses me the most is a zero in 9th house indicates > so many things. It could be delay or total denial or lack of > blessings from father. How do we figure out what is best applicable > to a chart? > > Thanks, > Gita > > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gita, > > I thought more about this. 9th house is also a very important > > house. Its also the house of Guru/father. We take lagna and 9th > > house and if they are in 5:9 then we say it sometimes overrides > > delay i marriage due to blessing of father or guru. 9th house is > > also the root karak sthan for 7th. So here if 9th house has a > zero > > means some lacking of blessing too. > > > > Also 1st is SELF, 5th is next generation i.e. phalit sthan of 1st > > and that is Children. 5th from 5th is also grand children. A > Zero > > there might indicate some problem with continueity of lineage. > > > > Hope that helps, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > You have rightly said that 9th is C for 5th. It means its > next > > generation. Its the phalit sthan. > > > > > > 9th house is also Kul and Gotra sthan. A Zero there can > > indicate break in continuity of lineage. > > > > > > 9th hosue is also Karak of 2nd or family. Again a 0 there can > > show some issues w.r.t. family or growth in family. > > > > > > In this chart Guru is in libra. Guru is natural putra karak. > > Again Guru is in 6th house so in a black hole. > > > > > > Study the wifes chart in this case. Also study the marriage > > time. > > > > > > Did this gentleman marry in Me antra in Guru MD. i.e. > > > > > > Mercury 1996-Oct-16 1999-Jan-22 > > > > > > Again if he married in Me antra of Mo antra, there are less > > chances for him to have a child. > > > > > > Confirm the same from the wifes chart. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > Dear Ash and others, > > > > > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for > > conception " . > > > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female chart > > should > > > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out why. > > > > > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But what > > effect > > > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > > > > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero due to > > saturn > > > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I assume > when > > > timing childbirth for this chart? > > > > > > Details: > > > 5 Dec 1969 > > > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Dear Gita, Here Guru is in libra and its spoilt. It will loose its ability to check the delay of Shani. If Guru is in sign or nak or navsma of Sa then also it looses its power to check delay of Sa and also in libra its get affected. Here I had not considered the delay being moderated. There is 1 zero so delay is enhanced. Here for no good relation with father check lagna and 9th. U will see that they are in 6:8 along with 0 in 9th. A zero in a house shows some problems linked to that house or some delays. 9th house is A for 2nd, B for 9th, C for 5th, D for 12th and E for 4th. When in WS u take A+B+C these also get covered and power for 2nd, 9th and 5th will get reduced. Things will get clear with time patience and more and more practice. Here I dont want to go into detail, but for child birth we also check Saptamsa. The power is weak for 5th and 8th house in saptamsa too. Here again u have seen Guru in libra chart causing divorse. Cheers !!! Ash , " kaslearner " <kaslearner wrote: > > Thanks for the reply, Ash. > > Some details about the native: > > 1) Native married in the last sector of Venus antra - Jupiter MD. I > notice Venus is sixth lord. So problems in married life indicated. > > 2) Native does not have good relations with father right from > childhood. As you rightly pointed out lack of blessings from father. > > 3) Native has filed for divorce against wife and waiting for a court > hearing. This indicates troubled married life. > > > Marriage analysis > Date of Birth : 5-Dec-1969 > Time : 16:15 > Place: 22 N32 > 88 E 22 > > Both Rasi and Navamsa charts show a complete delay due to Saturn. > However Jupiter aspects Sa both in Rasi and Navamsa and hence the > basic delay is reduced to 24-25 yrs. The native was in Jupiter antra > during this period. > > Jupiter aspects house A and hence cannot come forward to give > marriage. The next antra is that of Saturn. Saturn is positioned in > house A in Rasi and hence cannot come forward to give marriage > again. The next is mercury antra. Again mercury is aspecting House > A and is unable to give marriage. Ketu is the following antra. Ketu > is SD to venus(Lo12), mars(LoE) and sun(LoD). I think ketu should > have been able to give marriage. But marriage happened in the last > sector of Venus antra. > > Married life is not happy. Venus is in the nakashtra of Saturn in > Rasi. Saturn aspects Venus, Sun, Moon and Mars in Navamsa. In > Navamsa, Venus is along with Mars increasing sexual feelings and > indicates extramarital relations. Jupiter is aspecting Sa so the > intensity may some what be reduced. Lo6 is in house 7 in rasi. > > Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 marriage > like relations. > > In Rasi,Ve/Ma in 3:11, Me/Ju in 3:11 and Ma/Ma in 4:10 - total 50 > points. In Navamsa, Ma/Ve in 2:12 , Me/Ju in 6:8 and Sa/Ve in 3:11 - > total 25 points. > > If this marriage ends in a divorce I dont see the native will get > married for atleast another 7 years. Am I right? May be this could > be a reason for break in lineage. > > But Ash, what confuses me the most is a zero in 9th house indicates > so many things. It could be delay or total denial or lack of > blessings from father. How do we figure out what is best applicable > to a chart? > > Thanks, > Gita > > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gita, > > I thought more about this. 9th house is also a very important > > house. Its also the house of Guru/father. We take lagna and 9th > > house and if they are in 5:9 then we say it sometimes overrides > > delay i marriage due to blessing of father or guru. 9th house is > > also the root karak sthan for 7th. So here if 9th house has a > zero > > means some lacking of blessing too. > > > > Also 1st is SELF, 5th is next generation i.e. phalit sthan of 1st > > and that is Children. 5th from 5th is also grand children. A > Zero > > there might indicate some problem with continueity of lineage. > > > > Hope that helps, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > You have rightly said that 9th is C for 5th. It means its > next > > generation. Its the phalit sthan. > > > > > > 9th house is also Kul and Gotra sthan. A Zero there can > > indicate break in continuity of lineage. > > > > > > 9th hosue is also Karak of 2nd or family. Again a 0 there can > > show some issues w.r.t. family or growth in family. > > > > > > In this chart Guru is in libra. Guru is natural putra karak. > > Again Guru is in 6th house so in a black hole. > > > > > > Study the wifes chart in this case. Also study the marriage > > time. > > > > > > Did this gentleman marry in Me antra in Guru MD. i.e. > > > > > > Mercury 1996-Oct-16 1999-Jan-22 > > > > > > Again if he married in Me antra of Mo antra, there are less > > chances for him to have a child. > > > > > > Confirm the same from the wifes chart. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > Dear Ash and others, > > > > > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for > > conception " . > > > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female chart > > should > > > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out why. > > > > > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But what > > effect > > > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > > > > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero due to > > saturn > > > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I assume > when > > > timing childbirth for this chart? > > > > > > Details: > > > 5 Dec 1969 > > > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Dear Gita, I overlooked your analysis of Ketu. How are u getting Ketu being SD to Ma? You said KEtu is SD to Ve, Ma and Su. I am getting only Ve and Su. And its more like Ve. Do you know any details if he was involved with someone in Ketu period? You are right about Ve being 6th lord antra and 12th from B=7 and unhappy marriages are done in 6th lord. Here marraige in 6th lord and it will break. Lagna and 9th are also in 6:8 with 0 in 9th. Cheers !!! Ash , " kaslearner " <kaslearner wrote: > > Thanks for the reply, Ash. > > Some details about the native: > > 1) Native married in the last sector of Venus antra - Jupiter MD. I > notice Venus is sixth lord. So problems in married life indicated. > > 2) Native does not have good relations with father right from > childhood. As you rightly pointed out lack of blessings from father. > > 3) Native has filed for divorce against wife and waiting for a court > hearing. This indicates troubled married life. > > > Marriage analysis > Date of Birth : 5-Dec-1969 > Time : 16:15 > Place: 22 N32 > 88 E 22 > > Both Rasi and Navamsa charts show a complete delay due to Saturn. > However Jupiter aspects Sa both in Rasi and Navamsa and hence the > basic delay is reduced to 24-25 yrs. The native was in Jupiter antra > during this period. > > Jupiter aspects house A and hence cannot come forward to give > marriage. The next antra is that of Saturn. Saturn is positioned in > house A in Rasi and hence cannot come forward to give marriage > again. The next is mercury antra. Again mercury is aspecting House > A and is unable to give marriage. Ketu is the following antra. Ketu > is SD to venus(Lo12), mars(LoE) and sun(LoD). I think ketu should > have been able to give marriage. But marriage happened in the last > sector of Venus antra. > > Married life is not happy. Venus is in the nakashtra of Saturn in > Rasi. Saturn aspects Venus, Sun, Moon and Mars in Navamsa. In > Navamsa, Venus is along with Mars increasing sexual feelings and > indicates extramarital relations. Jupiter is aspecting Sa so the > intensity may some what be reduced. Lo6 is in house 7 in rasi. > > Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 marriage > like relations. > > In Rasi,Ve/Ma in 3:11, Me/Ju in 3:11 and Ma/Ma in 4:10 - total 50 > points. In Navamsa, Ma/Ve in 2:12 , Me/Ju in 6:8 and Sa/Ve in 3:11 - > total 25 points. > > If this marriage ends in a divorce I dont see the native will get > married for atleast another 7 years. Am I right? May be this could > be a reason for break in lineage. > > But Ash, what confuses me the most is a zero in 9th house indicates > so many things. It could be delay or total denial or lack of > blessings from father. How do we figure out what is best applicable > to a chart? > > Thanks, > Gita > > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gita, > > I thought more about this. 9th house is also a very important > > house. Its also the house of Guru/father. We take lagna and 9th > > house and if they are in 5:9 then we say it sometimes overrides > > delay i marriage due to blessing of father or guru. 9th house is > > also the root karak sthan for 7th. So here if 9th house has a > zero > > means some lacking of blessing too. > > > > Also 1st is SELF, 5th is next generation i.e. phalit sthan of 1st > > and that is Children. 5th from 5th is also grand children. A > Zero > > there might indicate some problem with continueity of lineage. > > > > Hope that helps, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > You have rightly said that 9th is C for 5th. It means its > next > > generation. Its the phalit sthan. > > > > > > 9th house is also Kul and Gotra sthan. A Zero there can > > indicate break in continuity of lineage. > > > > > > 9th hosue is also Karak of 2nd or family. Again a 0 there can > > show some issues w.r.t. family or growth in family. > > > > > > In this chart Guru is in libra. Guru is natural putra karak. > > Again Guru is in 6th house so in a black hole. > > > > > > Study the wifes chart in this case. Also study the marriage > > time. > > > > > > Did this gentleman marry in Me antra in Guru MD. i.e. > > > > > > Mercury 1996-Oct-16 1999-Jan-22 > > > > > > Again if he married in Me antra of Mo antra, there are less > > chances for him to have a child. > > > > > > Confirm the same from the wifes chart. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > Dear Ash and others, > > > > > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for > > conception " . > > > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female chart > > should > > > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out why. > > > > > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But what > > effect > > > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > > > > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero due to > > saturn > > > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I assume > when > > > timing childbirth for this chart? > > > > > > Details: > > > 5 Dec 1969 > > > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Dear Ash, Ketu is in Navasama of Scorpio. So I guess Ketu is SD to lord of scorpio - Mars. Am I correct? This native has had many premartial affairs none with intention of marriage. The only person with whom the native had intentions of marriage was his wife. It was a love cum arranged but same caste marriage. There have been no extra martial relations after marriage according to native. Marriage initially troubled by separation (due to work related reasons), some verbal and physical abuse, later inlaws, no children, etc.. Now it seems too complicated for both native and wife to resolve and they separated in early 2005. I have another question for you Ash. We always consider father's blessings (ie 1:9 relation) to help in troubled situtaions. Why not mother's blessings? (1:3). Will that not help? Just curious. Thanks for your time and patience, Gita , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Gita, > I overlooked your analysis of Ketu. How are u getting Ketu being SD > to Ma? You said KEtu is SD to Ve, Ma and Su. > > I am getting only Ve and Su. And its more like Ve. > > Do you know any details if he was involved with someone in Ketu > period? > > You are right about Ve being 6th lord antra and 12th from B=7 and > unhappy marriages are done in 6th lord. Here marraige in 6th lord > and it will break. > > Lagna and 9th are also in 6:8 with 0 in 9th. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " kaslearner " > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the reply, Ash. > > > > Some details about the native: > > > > 1) Native married in the last sector of Venus antra - Jupiter MD. > I > > notice Venus is sixth lord. So problems in married life indicated. > > > > 2) Native does not have good relations with father right from > > childhood. As you rightly pointed out lack of blessings from > father. > > > > 3) Native has filed for divorce against wife and waiting for a > court > > hearing. This indicates troubled married life. > > > > > > Marriage analysis > > Date of Birth : 5-Dec-1969 > > Time : 16:15 > > Place: 22 N32 > > 88 E 22 > > > > Both Rasi and Navamsa charts show a complete delay due to Saturn. > > However Jupiter aspects Sa both in Rasi and Navamsa and hence the > > basic delay is reduced to 24-25 yrs. The native was in Jupiter > antra > > during this period. > > > > Jupiter aspects house A and hence cannot come forward to give > > marriage. The next antra is that of Saturn. Saturn is positioned > in > > house A in Rasi and hence cannot come forward to give marriage > > again. The next is mercury antra. Again mercury is aspecting > House > > A and is unable to give marriage. Ketu is the following antra. > Ketu > > is SD to venus(Lo12), mars(LoE) and sun(LoD). I think ketu should > > have been able to give marriage. But marriage happened in the last > > sector of Venus antra. > > > > Married life is not happy. Venus is in the nakashtra of Saturn in > > Rasi. Saturn aspects Venus, Sun, Moon and Mars in Navamsa. In > > Navamsa, Venus is along with Mars increasing sexual feelings and > > indicates extramarital relations. Jupiter is aspecting Sa so the > > intensity may some what be reduced. Lo6 is in house 7 in rasi. > > > > Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 > marriage > > like relations. > > > > In Rasi,Ve/Ma in 3:11, Me/Ju in 3:11 and Ma/Ma in 4:10 - total 50 > > points. In Navamsa, Ma/Ve in 2:12 , Me/Ju in 6:8 and Sa/Ve in > 3:11 - > > total 25 points. > > > > If this marriage ends in a divorce I dont see the native will get > > married for atleast another 7 years. Am I right? May be this could > > be a reason for break in lineage. > > > > But Ash, what confuses me the most is a zero in 9th house > indicates > > so many things. It could be delay or total denial or lack of > > blessings from father. How do we figure out what is best > applicable > > to a chart? > > > > Thanks, > > Gita > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > I thought more about this. 9th house is also a very important > > > house. Its also the house of Guru/father. We take lagna and > 9th > > > house and if they are in 5:9 then we say it sometimes overrides > > > delay i marriage due to blessing of father or guru. 9th house > is > > > also the root karak sthan for 7th. So here if 9th house has a > > zero > > > means some lacking of blessing too. > > > > > > Also 1st is SELF, 5th is next generation i.e. phalit sthan of > 1st > > > and that is Children. 5th from 5th is also grand children. A > > Zero > > > there might indicate some problem with continueity of lineage. > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > > > You have rightly said that 9th is C for 5th. It means its > > next > > > generation. Its the phalit sthan. > > > > > > > > 9th house is also Kul and Gotra sthan. A Zero there can > > > indicate break in continuity of lineage. > > > > > > > > 9th hosue is also Karak of 2nd or family. Again a 0 there > can > > > show some issues w.r.t. family or growth in family. > > > > > > > > In this chart Guru is in libra. Guru is natural putra > karak. > > > Again Guru is in 6th house so in a black hole. > > > > > > > > Study the wifes chart in this case. Also study the marriage > > > time. > > > > > > > > Did this gentleman marry in Me antra in Guru MD. i.e. > > > > > > > > Mercury 1996-Oct-16 1999-Jan-22 > > > > > > > > Again if he married in Me antra of Mo antra, there are less > > > chances for him to have a child. > > > > > > > > Confirm the same from the wifes chart. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash and others, > > > > > > > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for > > > conception " . > > > > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female > chart > > > should > > > > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out why. > > > > > > > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But > what > > > effect > > > > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > > > > > > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero due > to > > > saturn > > > > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I assume > > when > > > > timing childbirth for this chart? > > > > > > > > Details: > > > > 5 Dec 1969 > > > > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Dear Gita, No. Ketu and Rahu does not become SD navamsa lord. We take Ra and Ke to be SD to sign lord and nakshtra lord. When 1st and 3rd lords are in 5:9 then it means that the person and the relation between mother will be good. So when in difficult times the mother might help the child out. Now back in the old old times, women did not have a voice. You are right, times have changed now, so this can be tested on the amount of influence it can have on the native. I had asked this question to Krushnaji long back, and he had told me that the influence of mother is different on a child as compared to father and dependent on desh/kaal/paatra. If you have such charts where due to mother had enough voice to prevent say a divrose or a break up of her childs marraige and in that if lagna and 3rd lords are in 5:9 then we can take up such charts to study. Good question. Cheers !!! Ash kaslearner <kaslearner wrote: Dear Ash, Ketu is in Navasama of Scorpio. So I guess Ketu is SD to lord of scorpio - Mars. Am I correct? This native has had many premartial affairs none with intention of marriage. The only person with whom the native had intentions of marriage was his wife. It was a love cum arranged but same caste marriage. There have been no extra martial relations after marriage according to native. Marriage initially troubled by separation (due to work related reasons), some verbal and physical abuse, later inlaws, no children, etc.. Now it seems too complicated for both native and wife to resolve and they separated in early 2005. I have another question for you Ash. We always consider father's blessings (ie 1:9 relation) to help in troubled situtaions. Why not mother's blessings? (1:3). Will that not help? Just curious. Thanks for your time and patience, Gita , " ashsam73 " wrote: > > Dear Gita, > I overlooked your analysis of Ketu. How are u getting Ketu being SD > to Ma? You said KEtu is SD to Ve, Ma and Su. > > I am getting only Ve and Su. And its more like Ve. > > Do you know any details if he was involved with someone in Ketu > period? > > You are right about Ve being 6th lord antra and 12th from B=7 and > unhappy marriages are done in 6th lord. Here marraige in 6th lord > and it will break. > > Lagna and 9th are also in 6:8 with 0 in 9th. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " kaslearner " > wrote: > > > > Thanks for the reply, Ash. > > > > Some details about the native: > > > > 1) Native married in the last sector of Venus antra - Jupiter MD. > I > > notice Venus is sixth lord. So problems in married life indicated. > > > > 2) Native does not have good relations with father right from > > childhood. As you rightly pointed out lack of blessings from > father. > > > > 3) Native has filed for divorce against wife and waiting for a > court > > hearing. This indicates troubled married life. > > > > > > Marriage analysis > > Date of Birth : 5-Dec-1969 > > Time : 16:15 > > Place: 22 N32 > > 88 E 22 > > > > Both Rasi and Navamsa charts show a complete delay due to Saturn. > > However Jupiter aspects Sa both in Rasi and Navamsa and hence the > > basic delay is reduced to 24-25 yrs. The native was in Jupiter > antra > > during this period. > > > > Jupiter aspects house A and hence cannot come forward to give > > marriage. The next antra is that of Saturn. Saturn is positioned > in > > house A in Rasi and hence cannot come forward to give marriage > > again. The next is mercury antra. Again mercury is aspecting > House > > A and is unable to give marriage. Ketu is the following antra. > Ketu > > is SD to venus(Lo12), mars(LoE) and sun(LoD). I think ketu should > > have been able to give marriage. But marriage happened in the last > > sector of Venus antra. > > > > Married life is not happy. Venus is in the nakashtra of Saturn in > > Rasi. Saturn aspects Venus, Sun, Moon and Mars in Navamsa. In > > Navamsa, Venus is along with Mars increasing sexual feelings and > > indicates extramarital relations. Jupiter is aspecting Sa so the > > intensity may some what be reduced. Lo6 is in house 7 in rasi. > > > > Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 > marriage > > like relations. > > > > In Rasi,Ve/Ma in 3:11, Me/Ju in 3:11 and Ma/Ma in 4:10 - total 50 > > points. In Navamsa, Ma/Ve in 2:12 , Me/Ju in 6:8 and Sa/Ve in > 3:11 - > > total 25 points. > > > > If this marriage ends in a divorce I dont see the native will get > > married for atleast another 7 years. Am I right? May be this could > > be a reason for break in lineage. > > > > But Ash, what confuses me the most is a zero in 9th house > indicates > > so many things. It could be delay or total denial or lack of > > blessings from father. How do we figure out what is best > applicable > > to a chart? > > > > Thanks, > > Gita > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > I thought more about this. 9th house is also a very important > > > house. Its also the house of Guru/father. We take lagna and > 9th > > > house and if they are in 5:9 then we say it sometimes overrides > > > delay i marriage due to blessing of father or guru. 9th house > is > > > also the root karak sthan for 7th. So here if 9th house has a > > zero > > > means some lacking of blessing too. > > > > > > Also 1st is SELF, 5th is next generation i.e. phalit sthan of > 1st > > > and that is Children. 5th from 5th is also grand children. A > > Zero > > > there might indicate some problem with continueity of lineage. > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , Ash > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > > > You have rightly said that 9th is C for 5th. It means its > > next > > > generation. Its the phalit sthan. > > > > > > > > 9th house is also Kul and Gotra sthan. A Zero there can > > > indicate break in continuity of lineage. > > > > > > > > 9th hosue is also Karak of 2nd or family. Again a 0 there > can > > > show some issues w.r.t. family or growth in family. > > > > > > > > In this chart Guru is in libra. Guru is natural putra > karak. > > > Again Guru is in 6th house so in a black hole. > > > > > > > > Study the wifes chart in this case. Also study the marriage > > > time. > > > > > > > > Did this gentleman marry in Me antra in Guru MD. i.e. > > > > > > > > Mercury 1996-Oct-16 1999-Jan-22 > > > > > > > > Again if he married in Me antra of Mo antra, there are less > > > chances for him to have a child. > > > > > > > > Confirm the same from the wifes chart. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner wrote: > > > > Dear Ash and others, > > > > > > > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for > > > conception " . > > > > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female > chart > > > should > > > > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out why. > > > > > > > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But > what > > > effect > > > > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > > > > > > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero due > to > > > saturn > > > > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I assume > > when > > > > timing childbirth for this chart? > > > > > > > > Details: > > > > 5 Dec 1969 > > > > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Thanks for the clarification Ash. As I start analysing different charts things are becoming more clear. I found this explaination for parents blessings in chapter 34 - page 161 of the lessons (for a delayed marriage being moderated). " Looking at the relationship between the first and third houses and the first and ninth houses, we see that the Lord of the first and the ninth are conjunct and close together. The Lords of the first and the third have a 3:11 relationship. This indicates a close relationship between the parents and the daughter and blessings, especially from the father. " Here even if 1:9 lords are in the same sign closely conjunct we consider it as 4:10. Right? How can 4:10 and 3:11 be considered for delay moderation? May be I am getting confused with different things. You guidance would be very helpful. Thanks Gita , Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Gita, > No. Ketu and Rahu does not become SD navamsa lord. We take Ra and Ke to be SD to sign lord and nakshtra lord. > > When 1st and 3rd lords are in 5:9 then it means that the person and the relation between mother will be good. > > So when in difficult times the mother might help the child out. Now back in the old old times, women did not have a voice. > > You are right, times have changed now, so this can be tested on the amount of influence it can have on the native. > > I had asked this question to Krushnaji long back, and he had told me that the influence of mother is different on a child as compared to father and dependent on desh/kaal/paatra. > > If you have such charts where due to mother had enough voice to prevent say a divrose or a break up of her childs marraige and in that if lagna and 3rd lords are in 5:9 then we can take up such charts to study. > > Good question. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > kaslearner <kaslearner wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Ketu is in Navasama of Scorpio. So I guess Ketu is SD to lord of > scorpio - Mars. Am I correct? > > This native has had many premartial affairs none with intention of > marriage. The only person with whom the native had intentions of > marriage was his wife. It was a love cum arranged but same caste > marriage. There have been no extra martial relations after marriage > according to native. > > Marriage initially troubled by separation (due to work related > reasons), some verbal and physical abuse, later inlaws, no children, > etc.. Now it seems too complicated for both native and wife to > resolve and they separated in early 2005. > > > I have another question for you Ash. We always consider father's > blessings (ie 1:9 relation) to help in troubled situtaions. Why not > mother's blessings? (1:3). Will that not help? Just curious. > > Thanks for your time and patience, > Gita > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > wrote: > > > > Dear Gita, > > I overlooked your analysis of Ketu. How are u getting Ketu being > SD > > to Ma? You said KEtu is SD to Ve, Ma and Su. > > > > I am getting only Ve and Su. And its more like Ve. > > > > Do you know any details if he was involved with someone in Ketu > > period? > > > > You are right about Ve being 6th lord antra and 12th from B=7 and > > unhappy marriages are done in 6th lord. Here marraige in 6th lord > > and it will break. > > > > Lagna and 9th are also in 6:8 with 0 in 9th. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the reply, Ash. > > > > > > Some details about the native: > > > > > > 1) Native married in the last sector of Venus antra - Jupiter > MD. > > I > > > notice Venus is sixth lord. So problems in married life > indicated. > > > > > > 2) Native does not have good relations with father right from > > > childhood. As you rightly pointed out lack of blessings from > > father. > > > > > > 3) Native has filed for divorce against wife and waiting for a > > court > > > hearing. This indicates troubled married life. > > > > > > > > > Marriage analysis > > > Date of Birth : 5-Dec-1969 > > > Time : 16:15 > > > Place: 22 N32 > > > 88 E 22 > > > > > > Both Rasi and Navamsa charts show a complete delay due to > Saturn. > > > However Jupiter aspects Sa both in Rasi and Navamsa and hence > the > > > basic delay is reduced to 24-25 yrs. The native was in Jupiter > > antra > > > during this period. > > > > > > Jupiter aspects house A and hence cannot come forward to give > > > marriage. The next antra is that of Saturn. Saturn is positioned > > in > > > house A in Rasi and hence cannot come forward to give marriage > > > again. The next is mercury antra. Again mercury is aspecting > > House > > > A and is unable to give marriage. Ketu is the following antra. > > Ketu > > > is SD to venus(Lo12), mars(LoE) and sun(LoD). I think ketu > should > > > have been able to give marriage. But marriage happened in the > last > > > sector of Venus antra. > > > > > > Married life is not happy. Venus is in the nakashtra of Saturn > in > > > Rasi. Saturn aspects Venus, Sun, Moon and Mars in Navamsa. In > > > Navamsa, Venus is along with Mars increasing sexual feelings and > > > indicates extramarital relations. Jupiter is aspecting Sa so the > > > intensity may some what be reduced. Lo6 is in house 7 in rasi. > > > > > > Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 > > marriage > > > like relations. > > > > > > In Rasi,Ve/Ma in 3:11, Me/Ju in 3:11 and Ma/Ma in 4:10 - total > 50 > > > points. In Navamsa, Ma/Ve in 2:12 , Me/Ju in 6:8 and Sa/Ve in > > 3:11 - > > > total 25 points. > > > > > > If this marriage ends in a divorce I dont see the native will > get > > > married for atleast another 7 years. Am I right? May be this > could > > > be a reason for break in lineage. > > > > > > But Ash, what confuses me the most is a zero in 9th house > > indicates > > > so many things. It could be delay or total denial or lack of > > > blessings from father. How do we figure out what is best > > applicable > > > to a chart? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > I thought more about this. 9th house is also a very important > > > > house. Its also the house of Guru/father. We take lagna and > > 9th > > > > house and if they are in 5:9 then we say it sometimes > overrides > > > > delay i marriage due to blessing of father or guru. 9th house > > is > > > > also the root karak sthan for 7th. So here if 9th house has a > > > zero > > > > means some lacking of blessing too. > > > > > > > > Also 1st is SELF, 5th is next generation i.e. phalit sthan of > > 1st > > > > and that is Children. 5th from 5th is also grand children. A > > > Zero > > > > there might indicate some problem with continueity of lineage. > > > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ash > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > > > > > You have rightly said that 9th is C for 5th. It means its > > > next > > > > generation. Its the phalit sthan. > > > > > > > > > > 9th house is also Kul and Gotra sthan. A Zero there can > > > > indicate break in continuity of lineage. > > > > > > > > > > 9th hosue is also Karak of 2nd or family. Again a 0 there > > can > > > > show some issues w.r.t. family or growth in family. > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Guru is in libra. Guru is natural putra > > karak. > > > > Again Guru is in 6th house so in a black hole. > > > > > > > > > > Study the wifes chart in this case. Also study the > marriage > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > Did this gentleman marry in Me antra in Guru MD. i.e. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury 1996-Oct-16 1999-Jan-22 > > > > > > > > > > Again if he married in Me antra of Mo antra, there are > less > > > > chances for him to have a child. > > > > > > > > > > Confirm the same from the wifes chart. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash and others, > > > > > > > > > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for > > > > conception " . > > > > > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female > > chart > > > > should > > > > > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out > why. > > > > > > > > > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But > > what > > > > effect > > > > > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > > > > > > > > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero > due > > to > > > > saturn > > > > > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I > assume > > > when > > > > > timing childbirth for this chart? > > > > > > > > > > Details: > > > > > 5 Dec 1969 > > > > > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Dear Harjeet, I am a beginner too and I may be wrong. But according to the lessons , the number of planets aspecting 2nd house and its lord may give that many number of extra marital relations. Hope this helps. Thanks Gita , " harjeet_bakshi " <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > Dear kaslearner, > Sorry for interrupting but i had some doubts if u can clear. > You said that > > Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 marriage > > like relations. > Here you mean the second house from the lagna ? > Is it just aspect that are to be considered or number of planets in > the second house can also be taken into consideration if there are no > aspects? > Thanks/Regards > Harjeet > , " kaslearner " > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the reply, Ash. > > > > Some details about the native: > > > > 1) Native married in the last sector of Venus antra - Jupiter MD. I > > notice Venus is sixth lord. So problems in married life indicated. > > > > 2) Native does not have good relations with father right from > > childhood. As you rightly pointed out lack of blessings from father. > > > > 3) Native has filed for divorce against wife and waiting for a court > > hearing. This indicates troubled married life. > > > > > > Marriage analysis > > Date of Birth : 5-Dec-1969 > > Time : 16:15 > > Place: 22 N32 > > 88 E 22 > > > > Both Rasi and Navamsa charts show a complete delay due to Saturn. > > However Jupiter aspects Sa both in Rasi and Navamsa and hence the > > basic delay is reduced to 24-25 yrs. The native was in Jupiter antra > > during this period. > > > > Jupiter aspects house A and hence cannot come forward to give > > marriage. The next antra is that of Saturn. Saturn is positioned in > > house A in Rasi and hence cannot come forward to give marriage > > again. The next is mercury antra. Again mercury is aspecting House > > A and is unable to give marriage. Ketu is the following antra. Ketu > > is SD to venus(Lo12), mars(LoE) and sun(LoD). I think ketu should > > have been able to give marriage. But marriage happened in the last > > sector of Venus antra. > > > > Married life is not happy. Venus is in the nakashtra of Saturn in > > Rasi. Saturn aspects Venus, Sun, Moon and Mars in Navamsa. In > > Navamsa, Venus is along with Mars increasing sexual feelings and > > indicates extramarital relations. Jupiter is aspecting Sa so the > > intensity may some what be reduced. Lo6 is in house 7 in rasi. > > > > Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 marriage > > like relations. > > > > In Rasi,Ve/Ma in 3:11, Me/Ju in 3:11 and Ma/Ma in 4:10 - total 50 > > points. In Navamsa, Ma/Ve in 2:12 , Me/Ju in 6:8 and Sa/Ve in 3:11 - > > total 25 points. > > > > If this marriage ends in a divorce I dont see the native will get > > married for atleast another 7 years. Am I right? May be this could > > be a reason for break in lineage. > > > > But Ash, what confuses me the most is a zero in 9th house indicates > > so many things. It could be delay or total denial or lack of > > blessings from father. How do we figure out what is best applicable > > to a chart? > > > > Thanks, > > Gita > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > I thought more about this. 9th house is also a very important > > > house. Its also the house of Guru/father. We take lagna and 9th > > > house and if they are in 5:9 then we say it sometimes overrides > > > delay i marriage due to blessing of father or guru. 9th house is > > > also the root karak sthan for 7th. So here if 9th house has a > > zero > > > means some lacking of blessing too. > > > > > > Also 1st is SELF, 5th is next generation i.e. phalit sthan of 1st > > > and that is Children. 5th from 5th is also grand children. A > > Zero > > > there might indicate some problem with continueity of lineage. > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > > > You have rightly said that 9th is C for 5th. It means its > > next > > > generation. Its the phalit sthan. > > > > > > > > 9th house is also Kul and Gotra sthan. A Zero there can > > > indicate break in continuity of lineage. > > > > > > > > 9th hosue is also Karak of 2nd or family. Again a 0 there can > > > show some issues w.r.t. family or growth in family. > > > > > > > > In this chart Guru is in libra. Guru is natural putra karak. > > > Again Guru is in 6th house so in a black hole. > > > > > > > > Study the wifes chart in this case. Also study the marriage > > > time. > > > > > > > > Did this gentleman marry in Me antra in Guru MD. i.e. > > > > > > > > Mercury 1996-Oct-16 1999-Jan-22 > > > > > > > > Again if he married in Me antra of Mo antra, there are less > > > chances for him to have a child. > > > > > > > > Confirm the same from the wifes chart. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash and others, > > > > > > > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for > > > conception " . > > > > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female chart > > > should > > > > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out why. > > > > > > > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But what > > > effect > > > > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > > > > > > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero due to > > > saturn > > > > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I assume > > when > > > > timing childbirth for this chart? > > > > > > > > Details: > > > > 5 Dec 1969 > > > > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Dear Gita, When planets are conjunct means they become SD. They help each other. When they are in same sign means they are in kendra or a 4:10 relation. When they are very closely conjunct i.e say if less than 3deg20 then they go into same navamsa thereby become even strong SD. 5:9 means blessing and 3:11 can be like a compulsion. The approach u are adopting is the best way to learn, and its on real charts with authentic birtht time and events known. Cheers !!! Ash , " kaslearner " <kaslearner wrote: > > Thanks for the clarification Ash. As I start analysing different > charts things are becoming more clear. > > I found this explaination for parents blessings in chapter 34 - page > 161 of the lessons (for a delayed marriage being moderated). > > " Looking at the relationship between the first and third houses and > the first and ninth houses, we see that the Lord of the first and > the ninth are conjunct and close together. The Lords of the first > and the third have a 3:11 relationship. This indicates a close > relationship between the parents and the daughter and blessings, > especially from the father. " > > Here even if 1:9 lords are in the same sign closely conjunct we > consider it as 4:10. Right? How can 4:10 and 3:11 be considered for > delay moderation? > > May be I am getting confused with different things. You guidance > would be very helpful. > > Thanks > Gita > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Gita, > > No. Ketu and Rahu does not become SD navamsa lord. We take Ra > and Ke to be SD to sign lord and nakshtra lord. > > > > When 1st and 3rd lords are in 5:9 then it means that the person > and the relation between mother will be good. > > > > So when in difficult times the mother might help the child out. > Now back in the old old times, women did not have a voice. > > > > You are right, times have changed now, so this can be tested on > the amount of influence it can have on the native. > > > > I had asked this question to Krushnaji long back, and he had > told me that the influence of mother is different on a child as > compared to father and dependent on desh/kaal/paatra. > > > > If you have such charts where due to mother had enough voice to > prevent say a divrose or a break up of her childs marraige and in > that if lagna and 3rd lords are in 5:9 then we can take up such > charts to study. > > > > Good question. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Ketu is in Navasama of Scorpio. So I guess Ketu is SD to lord of > > scorpio - Mars. Am I correct? > > > > This native has had many premartial affairs none with intention of > > marriage. The only person with whom the native had intentions of > > marriage was his wife. It was a love cum arranged but same caste > > marriage. There have been no extra martial relations after > marriage > > according to native. > > > > Marriage initially troubled by separation (due to work related > > reasons), some verbal and physical abuse, later inlaws, no > children, > > etc.. Now it seems too complicated for both native and wife to > > resolve and they separated in early 2005. > > > > > > I have another question for you Ash. We always consider father's > > blessings (ie 1:9 relation) to help in troubled situtaions. Why > not > > mother's blessings? (1:3). Will that not help? Just curious. > > > > Thanks for your time and patience, > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > I overlooked your analysis of Ketu. How are u getting Ketu being > > SD > > > to Ma? You said KEtu is SD to Ve, Ma and Su. > > > > > > I am getting only Ve and Su. And its more like Ve. > > > > > > Do you know any details if he was involved with someone in Ketu > > > period? > > > > > > You are right about Ve being 6th lord antra and 12th from B=7 > and > > > unhappy marriages are done in 6th lord. Here marraige in 6th > lord > > > and it will break. > > > > > > Lagna and 9th are also in 6:8 with 0 in 9th. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply, Ash. > > > > > > > > Some details about the native: > > > > > > > > 1) Native married in the last sector of Venus antra - Jupiter > > MD. > > > I > > > > notice Venus is sixth lord. So problems in married life > > indicated. > > > > > > > > 2) Native does not have good relations with father right from > > > > childhood. As you rightly pointed out lack of blessings from > > > father. > > > > > > > > 3) Native has filed for divorce against wife and waiting for a > > > court > > > > hearing. This indicates troubled married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage analysis > > > > Date of Birth : 5-Dec-1969 > > > > Time : 16:15 > > > > Place: 22 N32 > > > > 88 E 22 > > > > > > > > Both Rasi and Navamsa charts show a complete delay due to > > Saturn. > > > > However Jupiter aspects Sa both in Rasi and Navamsa and hence > > the > > > > basic delay is reduced to 24-25 yrs. The native was in Jupiter > > > antra > > > > during this period. > > > > > > > > Jupiter aspects house A and hence cannot come forward to give > > > > marriage. The next antra is that of Saturn. Saturn is > positioned > > > in > > > > house A in Rasi and hence cannot come forward to give marriage > > > > again. The next is mercury antra. Again mercury is aspecting > > > House > > > > A and is unable to give marriage. Ketu is the following antra. > > > Ketu > > > > is SD to venus(Lo12), mars(LoE) and sun(LoD). I think ketu > > should > > > > have been able to give marriage. But marriage happened in the > > last > > > > sector of Venus antra. > > > > > > > > Married life is not happy. Venus is in the nakashtra of Saturn > > in > > > > Rasi. Saturn aspects Venus, Sun, Moon and Mars in Navamsa. In > > > > Navamsa, Venus is along with Mars increasing sexual feelings > and > > > > indicates extramarital relations. Jupiter is aspecting Sa so > the > > > > intensity may some what be reduced. Lo6 is in house 7 in rasi. > > > > > > > > Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 > > > marriage > > > > like relations. > > > > > > > > In Rasi,Ve/Ma in 3:11, Me/Ju in 3:11 and Ma/Ma in 4:10 - total > > 50 > > > > points. In Navamsa, Ma/Ve in 2:12 , Me/Ju in 6:8 and Sa/Ve in > > > 3:11 - > > > > total 25 points. > > > > > > > > If this marriage ends in a divorce I dont see the native will > > get > > > > married for atleast another 7 years. Am I right? May be this > > could > > > > be a reason for break in lineage. > > > > > > > > But Ash, what confuses me the most is a zero in 9th house > > > indicates > > > > so many things. It could be delay or total denial or lack of > > > > blessings from father. How do we figure out what is best > > > applicable > > > > to a chart? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > I thought more about this. 9th house is also a very > important > > > > > house. Its also the house of Guru/father. We take lagna and > > > 9th > > > > > house and if they are in 5:9 then we say it sometimes > > overrides > > > > > delay i marriage due to blessing of father or guru. 9th > house > > > is > > > > > also the root karak sthan for 7th. So here if 9th house has > a > > > > zero > > > > > means some lacking of blessing too. > > > > > > > > > > Also 1st is SELF, 5th is next generation i.e. phalit sthan > of > > > 1st > > > > > and that is Children. 5th from 5th is also grand children. A > > > > Zero > > > > > there might indicate some problem with continueity of > lineage. > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ash > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > > > > > > > You have rightly said that 9th is C for 5th. It means its > > > > next > > > > > generation. Its the phalit sthan. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house is also Kul and Gotra sthan. A Zero there can > > > > > indicate break in continuity of lineage. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th hosue is also Karak of 2nd or family. Again a 0 there > > > can > > > > > show some issues w.r.t. family or growth in family. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Guru is in libra. Guru is natural putra > > > karak. > > > > > Again Guru is in 6th house so in a black hole. > > > > > > > > > > > > Study the wifes chart in this case. Also study the > > marriage > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Did this gentleman marry in Me antra in Guru MD. i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury 1996-Oct-16 1999-Jan-22 > > > > > > > > > > > > Again if he married in Me antra of Mo antra, there are > > less > > > > > chances for him to have a child. > > > > > > > > > > > > Confirm the same from the wifes chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for > > > > > conception " . > > > > > > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female > > > chart > > > > > should > > > > > > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out > > why. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. > But > > > what > > > > > effect > > > > > > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > > > > > > > > > > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero > > due > > > to > > > > > saturn > > > > > > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I > > assume > > > > when > > > > > > timing childbirth for this chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > Details: > > > > > > 5 Dec 1969 > > > > > > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Dear Gita, Thanks for the reply. So conjunction of planets with the 2nd lord can also be taken as aspect. Thanks/Regards Harjeet , " kaslearner " <kaslearner wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > I am a beginner too and I may be wrong. But according to the > lessons , the number of planets aspecting 2nd house and its lord may > give that many number of extra marital relations. > > Hope this helps. > > Thanks > Gita > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > Dear kaslearner, > > Sorry for interrupting but i had some doubts if u can clear. > > You said that > > > Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 > marriage > > > like relations. > > Here you mean the second house from the lagna ? > > Is it just aspect that are to be considered or number of planets in > > the second house can also be taken into consideration if there are > no > > aspects? > > Thanks/Regards > > Harjeet > > , " kaslearner " > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the reply, Ash. > > > > > > Some details about the native: > > > > > > 1) Native married in the last sector of Venus antra - Jupiter > MD. I > > > notice Venus is sixth lord. So problems in married life > indicated. > > > > > > 2) Native does not have good relations with father right from > > > childhood. As you rightly pointed out lack of blessings from > father. > > > > > > 3) Native has filed for divorce against wife and waiting for a > court > > > hearing. This indicates troubled married life. > > > > > > > > > Marriage analysis > > > Date of Birth : 5-Dec-1969 > > > Time : 16:15 > > > Place: 22 N32 > > > 88 E 22 > > > > > > Both Rasi and Navamsa charts show a complete delay due to > Saturn. > > > However Jupiter aspects Sa both in Rasi and Navamsa and hence > the > > > basic delay is reduced to 24-25 yrs. The native was in Jupiter > antra > > > during this period. > > > > > > Jupiter aspects house A and hence cannot come forward to give > > > marriage. The next antra is that of Saturn. Saturn is positioned > in > > > house A in Rasi and hence cannot come forward to give marriage > > > again. The next is mercury antra. Again mercury is aspecting > House > > > A and is unable to give marriage. Ketu is the following antra. > Ketu > > > is SD to venus(Lo12), mars(LoE) and sun(LoD). I think ketu > should > > > have been able to give marriage. But marriage happened in the > last > > > sector of Venus antra. > > > > > > Married life is not happy. Venus is in the nakashtra of Saturn > in > > > Rasi. Saturn aspects Venus, Sun, Moon and Mars in Navamsa. In > > > Navamsa, Venus is along with Mars increasing sexual feelings and > > > indicates extramarital relations. Jupiter is aspecting Sa so the > > > intensity may some what be reduced. Lo6 is in house 7 in rasi. > > > > > > Three planets are aspecting house 2 indicating as many as 3 > marriage > > > like relations. > > > > > > In Rasi,Ve/Ma in 3:11, Me/Ju in 3:11 and Ma/Ma in 4:10 - total > 50 > > > points. In Navamsa, Ma/Ve in 2:12 , Me/Ju in 6:8 and Sa/Ve in > 3:11 - > > > total 25 points. > > > > > > If this marriage ends in a divorce I dont see the native will > get > > > married for atleast another 7 years. Am I right? May be this > could > > > be a reason for break in lineage. > > > > > > But Ash, what confuses me the most is a zero in 9th house > indicates > > > so many things. It could be delay or total denial or lack of > > > blessings from father. How do we figure out what is best > applicable > > > to a chart? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > I thought more about this. 9th house is also a very important > > > > house. Its also the house of Guru/father. We take lagna and > 9th > > > > house and if they are in 5:9 then we say it sometimes > overrides > > > > delay i marriage due to blessing of father or guru. 9th house > is > > > > also the root karak sthan for 7th. So here if 9th house has a > > > zero > > > > means some lacking of blessing too. > > > > > > > > Also 1st is SELF, 5th is next generation i.e. phalit sthan of > 1st > > > > and that is Children. 5th from 5th is also grand children. A > > > Zero > > > > there might indicate some problem with continueity of lineage. > > > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ash > <ashsam73@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > > > > > You have rightly said that 9th is C for 5th. It means its > > > next > > > > generation. Its the phalit sthan. > > > > > > > > > > 9th house is also Kul and Gotra sthan. A Zero there can > > > > indicate break in continuity of lineage. > > > > > > > > > > 9th hosue is also Karak of 2nd or family. Again a 0 there > can > > > > show some issues w.r.t. family or growth in family. > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Guru is in libra. Guru is natural putra > karak. > > > > Again Guru is in 6th house so in a black hole. > > > > > > > > > > Study the wifes chart in this case. Also study the > marriage > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > Did this gentleman marry in Me antra in Guru MD. i.e. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury 1996-Oct-16 1999-Jan-22 > > > > > > > > > > Again if he married in Me antra of Mo antra, there are > less > > > > chances for him to have a child. > > > > > > > > > > Confirm the same from the wifes chart. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash and others, > > > > > > > > > > I was reading the lesson on " Finding the ideal time for > > > > conception " . > > > > > One of the rules state that neither the male or the female > chart > > > > should > > > > > have a zero in the ninth house. I was trying to reason out > why. > > > > > > > > > > When we consider house 5 as B , house 9 beomes house C. But > what > > > > effect > > > > > can a zero in ninth house SAV have on childbirth? > > > > > > > > > > As an example I have a chart of a male native with a zero > due to > > > > saturn > > > > > in the ninth house. What extra considerations should I > assume > > > when > > > > > timing childbirth for this chart? > > > > > > > > > > Details: > > > > > 5 Dec 1969 > > > > > 16:15 , Calcutta India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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