Guest guest Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Dear Jagdish, As I gather, you have a lot of doubts about astrology. I have been a student of science, and I myself dont believe in things unless they are really proven to me. I have tested this and experienced that KAS works very well, if the chart is right. It is a straight forward approach. With the help pf KAS, astrologers confirm the events of the past by applying the same principle that they would apply to predcit the future, so there is no trick (as it sounded from your mail). I could give you examples how KAS has worked for my life (Ash had predicted, and how amazed I was).Mind you, the prediction were for the future and they have come true so far. Coming to Pramod Mahajan's death, you must have noticed that none of us attempted the chart on this group, as it's a waste of time and energy to unnecessarily try to solve a chart which we are not sure of the birth time. For study purpose, we must take charts with almost known birth time or at least of people with whom we can confirm some events of life. Lastly, as I always say, its not the fault of astrology but astrologers who err and give wrong predictions. regards Manoshi , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Respected Sir Ash > > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of Pt. Sanjay Rath on Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is critical for him but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's horoscope was discussed on all the astrology group. > > Some asked Pt. Sanjay Rath Ji that how are you sure about his birth details and he said that his family members told him. > > Now all the astrologers predicted that he will survive but after struggle. Noone said that he will die. > > But he passes away. > > I have seen it many many times that when it comes to predicting the future and in that predicting critical situation then many many astrologers fail (including Pt. K. N. Rao). While any astrologer can verify past with the help of astrology. > > Just two days ago, Pt. Sanjay Rath gave lecture that why he survived. He showed many reasons for his survival. What happened to his reasons ? > > Jagdish > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh and Jagdish, > From what I read from www.timesofindia.com > > " Senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan died at Mumbai's Hinduja Hospital > on Wednesday afternoon. He was 56. Mahajan had been shot by his > younger brother on April 22. " > > The age given by Times Of India is 56 years. So technically his > year of birth should be 1950. > > So now we have 3 different years of birth floating around viz-a- viz > 1948, 1949 and 1950. > > Then on the other hand there are birth data of twins where a few > mins might change a lot of things...... > > Interesting eh !! > > May His Soul rest in Peace. > > Ash > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jagdish, > > I have seen u ask about charts of famous people, I think even in > > earlier posts you had asked similar thing. > > There is no harm in that, but when people are famous and those in > > India who know the power of Jyotish shastra, sometimes give > > misleading information. > > Now, please do not get me wrong, maybe this data given by you is > > cent per cent authentic then no harm in going deeper. If it is > not > > then ? How do u decide and confirm that this data is authentic or > > not? > > There are so many needy people that would love to receive some > help > > regarding their charts who might give u authentic information and > > share data which can also facilitate your learning process. > > > > If you want to take such famous charts, then get about 20 solid > > events and then study and match each and every event with the time > > and see if all matches. Then u can venture into future prediction > > if u find that all events are matching or coming close. > > > > For your information, I have seen many astrologers debate if 1949 > is > > the birth year or is it 1948. Is the time 21:00 or 21:21. Is the > > place of birth Hyderabad or Mehabubnagar. Each of the three DoB, > > ToB and PoB are in question. > > > > If you have time and if u have a good number of solid and > verifiable > > events then feel free to go ahead, use KAS, verify events and > > predict future events. Such an effort and exercise will help u in > > the long run. > > > > Also for other famous people too like politicians, actors, > > actresses, industrialists, sports personalities etc. These charts > > can reveal a lot provided one has the right birth details. > > > > Otherwise, our Jyotish Shastra merely becomes a guessing game. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sir Ash and other members > > > > > > Would you like to throw some light on Mr P. Mahajan's chart ? > > > > > > October 30, 1948 > > > Time: 9:21:00 pm > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 " > > > Hyderabad, India > > > > > > > > > I got the details from other group. > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Dear Manoshi Ji If Astrology is really so perfect then why dont people do things according to astrology. Indians have knowledge of astrology for past five thousand years. Correct ? Why so called God Ram did not marry according to astrological suggestion ? Why Arjun did not go to see an astrologer before fixing the arrow in the eye of the fish ? Its well known fact that Draupadi was one of the main reason behind Mahabharata War. Why Indian government spends millions of rupees in Election. Simply put the horoscope of candidates for a post (say Sonia Ghandi, Vajpai, Advani etc.) and see who has powerful planets to win the election and then let them be the PM ? Indian government is really stupid as they are wasting your money and my money (tax) on such useless thing called " Election. " Simply put the horoscope and compare, thats it. Before going to life-saving surgury, why dont Doctors ask the family of the patient that please confirm from an astrologer whether the patient is going to survive or not ? If he is not going to survive then i am not going to perform surgury on him as it useless. Before the fight between two countries (say India and China), why doesnt indian government goes to a Pandit and ask if India will win the war ? Why their are civil services exams, IIT-JEE, CAT ? Simply ask the candidates to send their horoscope and things are done. Why astrology is limited in such a small society ? There must be some deep-rooted reasons. If astrology is really a wonderful science then people are not that stupid that they will turn their back on it ? People are turning their back since thousands of years. Not ordinary people but sages from past and even God can been seen turning their back on astrology. So there must be something which is holding people. Best Wishes Jagdish Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa wrote: Dear Jagdish, As I gather, you have a lot of doubts about astrology. I have been a student of science, and I myself dont believe in things unless they are really proven to me. I have tested this and experienced that KAS works very well, if the chart is right. It is a straight forward approach. With the help pf KAS, astrologers confirm the events of the past by applying the same principle that they would apply to predcit the future, so there is no trick (as it sounded from your mail). I could give you examples how KAS has worked for my life (Ash had predicted, and how amazed I was).Mind you, the prediction were for the future and they have come true so far. Coming to Pramod Mahajan's death, you must have noticed that none of us attempted the chart on this group, as it's a waste of time and energy to unnecessarily try to solve a chart which we are not sure of the birth time. For study purpose, we must take charts with almost known birth time or at least of people with whom we can confirm some events of life. Lastly, as I always say, its not the fault of astrology but astrologers who err and give wrong predictions. regards Manoshi , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Respected Sir Ash > > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of Pt. Sanjay Rath on Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is critical for him but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's horoscope was discussed on all the astrology group. > > Some asked Pt. Sanjay Rath Ji that how are you sure about his birth details and he said that his family members told him. > > Now all the astrologers predicted that he will survive but after struggle. Noone said that he will die. > > But he passes away. > > I have seen it many many times that when it comes to predicting the future and in that predicting critical situation then many many astrologers fail (including Pt. K. N. Rao). While any astrologer can verify past with the help of astrology. > > Just two days ago, Pt. Sanjay Rath gave lecture that why he survived. He showed many reasons for his survival. What happened to his reasons ? > > Jagdish > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh and Jagdish, > From what I read from www.timesofindia.com > > " Senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan died at Mumbai's Hinduja Hospital > on Wednesday afternoon. He was 56. Mahajan had been shot by his > younger brother on April 22. " > > The age given by Times Of India is 56 years. So technically his > year of birth should be 1950. > > So now we have 3 different years of birth floating around viz-a- viz > 1948, 1949 and 1950. > > Then on the other hand there are birth data of twins where a few > mins might change a lot of things...... > > Interesting eh !! > > May His Soul rest in Peace. > > Ash > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jagdish, > > I have seen u ask about charts of famous people, I think even in > > earlier posts you had asked similar thing. > > There is no harm in that, but when people are famous and those in > > India who know the power of Jyotish shastra, sometimes give > > misleading information. > > Now, please do not get me wrong, maybe this data given by you is > > cent per cent authentic then no harm in going deeper. If it is > not > > then ? How do u decide and confirm that this data is authentic or > > not? > > There are so many needy people that would love to receive some > help > > regarding their charts who might give u authentic information and > > share data which can also facilitate your learning process. > > > > If you want to take such famous charts, then get about 20 solid > > events and then study and match each and every event with the time > > and see if all matches. Then u can venture into future prediction > > if u find that all events are matching or coming close. > > > > For your information, I have seen many astrologers debate if 1949 > is > > the birth year or is it 1948. Is the time 21:00 or 21:21. Is the > > place of birth Hyderabad or Mehabubnagar. Each of the three DoB, > > ToB and PoB are in question. > > > > If you have time and if u have a good number of solid and > verifiable > > events then feel free to go ahead, use KAS, verify events and > > predict future events. Such an effort and exercise will help u in > > the long run. > > > > Also for other famous people too like politicians, actors, > > actresses, industrialists, sports personalities etc. These charts > > can reveal a lot provided one has the right birth details. > > > > Otherwise, our Jyotish Shastra merely becomes a guessing game. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sir Ash and other members > > > > > > Would you like to throw some light on Mr P. Mahajan's chart ? > > > > > > October 30, 1948 > > > Time: 9:21:00 pm > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 " > > > Hyderabad, India > > > > > > > > > I got the details from other group. > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Mam Manoshi and dear Jagdish, Namaskar, Just do not blame the group without knowing the fact. Manoshi, I think you overlooked the message no.10931. I would like to advise you to read this message. At first instance tw took initiative to raise the issue of Pramod Mahajan, then I replied tw and after that Jagdish also raised the issue. Since it was a serious issue and there was no authentic birth chart. What ever chart I could pick up from other group I analysed it and put before the forum. When you read my analysis you may find out something from the message and you may correct me wherever i am wrong. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa wrote: Dear Jagdish, As I gather, you have a lot of doubts about astrology. I have been a student of science, and I myself dont believe in things unless they are really proven to me. I have tested this and experienced that KAS works very well, if the chart is right. It is a straight forward approach. With the help pf KAS, astrologers confirm the events of the past by applying the same principle that they would apply to predcit the future, so there is no trick (as it sounded from your mail). I could give you examples how KAS has worked for my life (Ash had predicted, and how amazed I was).Mind you, the prediction were for the future and they have come true so far. Coming to Pramod Mahajan's death, you must have noticed that none of us attempted the chart on this group, as it's a waste of time and energy to unnecessarily try to solve a chart which we are not sure of the birth time. For study purpose, we must take charts with almost known birth time or at least of people with whom we can confirm some events of life. Lastly, as I always say, its not the fault of astrology but astrologers who err and give wrong predictions. regards Manoshi , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Respected Sir Ash > > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of Pt. Sanjay Rath on Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is critical for him but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's horoscope was discussed on all the astrology group. > > Some asked Pt. Sanjay Rath Ji that how are you sure about his birth details and he said that his family members told him. > > Now all the astrologers predicted that he will survive but after struggle. Noone said that he will die. > > But he passes away. > > I have seen it many many times that when it comes to predicting the future and in that predicting critical situation then many many astrologers fail (including Pt. K. N. Rao). While any astrologer can verify past with the help of astrology. > > Just two days ago, Pt. Sanjay Rath gave lecture that why he survived. He showed many reasons for his survival. What happened to his reasons ? > > Jagdish > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh and Jagdish, > From what I read from www.timesofindia.com > > " Senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan died at Mumbai's Hinduja Hospital > on Wednesday afternoon. He was 56. Mahajan had been shot by his > younger brother on April 22. " > > The age given by Times Of India is 56 years. So technically his > year of birth should be 1950. > > So now we have 3 different years of birth floating around viz-a- viz > 1948, 1949 and 1950. > > Then on the other hand there are birth data of twins where a few > mins might change a lot of things...... > > Interesting eh !! > > May His Soul rest in Peace. > > Ash > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jagdish, > > I have seen u ask about charts of famous people, I think even in > > earlier posts you had asked similar thing. > > There is no harm in that, but when people are famous and those in > > India who know the power of Jyotish shastra, sometimes give > > misleading information. > > Now, please do not get me wrong, maybe this data given by you is > > cent per cent authentic then no harm in going deeper. If it is > not > > then ? How do u decide and confirm that this data is authentic or > > not? > > There are so many needy people that would love to receive some > help > > regarding their charts who might give u authentic information and > > share data which can also facilitate your learning process. > > > > If you want to take such famous charts, then get about 20 solid > > events and then study and match each and every event with the time > > and see if all matches. Then u can venture into future prediction > > if u find that all events are matching or coming close. > > > > For your information, I have seen many astrologers debate if 1949 > is > > the birth year or is it 1948. Is the time 21:00 or 21:21. Is the > > place of birth Hyderabad or Mehabubnagar. Each of the three DoB, > > ToB and PoB are in question. > > > > If you have time and if u have a good number of solid and > verifiable > > events then feel free to go ahead, use KAS, verify events and > > predict future events. Such an effort and exercise will help u in > > the long run. > > > > Also for other famous people too like politicians, actors, > > actresses, industrialists, sports personalities etc. These charts > > can reveal a lot provided one has the right birth details. > > > > Otherwise, our Jyotish Shastra merely becomes a guessing game. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sir Ash and other members > > > > > > Would you like to throw some light on Mr P. Mahajan's chart ? > > > > > > October 30, 1948 > > > Time: 9:21:00 pm > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 " > > > Hyderabad, India > > > > > > > > > I got the details from other group. > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Its up to you Jagdish what you believe in and how much you believe. Now, I cannot rule out the effect of Karma either. Karma and will power/postive attitude definitely has a role to play, but that doesnt mean that astrology is useless. In any case, its your choice, I am no one to convince you, nor wish to. As Ash has said, lets go back to KAS please. --Manoshi , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Dear Manoshi Ji > > If Astrology is really so perfect then why dont people do things according to astrology. Indians have knowledge of astrology for past five thousand years. Correct ? > > Why so called God Ram did not marry according to astrological suggestion ? Why Arjun did not go to see an astrologer before fixing the arrow in the eye of the fish ? Its well known fact that Draupadi was one of the main reason behind Mahabharata War. > > Why Indian government spends millions of rupees in Election. Simply put the horoscope of candidates for a post (say Sonia Ghandi, Vajpai, Advani etc.) and see who has powerful planets to win the election and then let them be the PM ? Indian government is really stupid as they are wasting your money and my money (tax) on such useless thing called " Election. " Simply put the horoscope and compare, thats it. > > Before going to life-saving surgury, why dont Doctors ask the family of the patient that please confirm from an astrologer whether the patient is going to survive or not ? If he is not going to survive then i am not going to perform surgury on him as it useless. > > Before the fight between two countries (say India and China), why doesnt indian government goes to a Pandit and ask if India will win the war ? > > Why their are civil services exams, IIT-JEE, CAT ? Simply ask the candidates to send their horoscope and things are done. > > Why astrology is limited in such a small society ? > > There must be some deep-rooted reasons. If astrology is really a wonderful science then people are not that stupid that they will turn their back on it ? People are turning their back since thousands of years. Not ordinary people but sages from past and even God can been seen turning their back on astrology. So there must be something which is holding people. > > Best Wishes > > Jagdish > > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa wrote: > Dear Jagdish, > > As I gather, you have a lot of doubts about astrology. I have been a > student of science, and I myself dont believe in things unless they > are really proven to me. I have tested this and experienced that KAS > works very well, if the chart is right. It is a straight forward > approach. With the help pf KAS, astrologers confirm the events of > the past by applying the same principle that they would apply to > predcit the future, so there is no trick (as it sounded from your > mail). I could give you examples how KAS has worked for my life (Ash > had predicted, and how amazed I was).Mind you, the prediction were > for the future and they have come true so far. > > Coming to Pramod Mahajan's death, you must have noticed that none of > us attempted the chart on this group, as it's a waste of time and > energy to unnecessarily try to solve a chart which we are not sure > of the birth time. For study purpose, we must take charts with > almost known birth time or at least of people with whom we can > confirm some events of life. > > Lastly, as I always say, its not the fault of astrology but > astrologers who err and give wrong predictions. > > regards > Manoshi > > , Prathamesn Chawan > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > Respected Sir Ash > > > > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of Pt. Sanjay Rath on > Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is critical for him > but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's horoscope was discussed on > all the astrology group. > > > > Some asked Pt. Sanjay Rath Ji that how are you sure about his > birth details and he said that his family members told him. > > > > Now all the astrologers predicted that he will survive but after > struggle. Noone said that he will die. > > > > But he passes away. > > > > I have seen it many many times that when it comes to predicting > the future and in that predicting critical situation then many many > astrologers fail (including Pt. K. N. Rao). While any astrologer can > verify past with the help of astrology. > > > > Just two days ago, Pt. Sanjay Rath gave lecture that why he > survived. He showed many reasons for his survival. What happened to > his reasons ? > > > > Jagdish > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Ramesh and Jagdish, > > From what I read from www.timesofindia.com > > > > " Senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan died at Mumbai's Hinduja > Hospital > > on Wednesday afternoon. He was 56. Mahajan had been shot by his > > younger brother on April 22. " > > > > The age given by Times Of India is 56 years. So technically his > > year of birth should be 1950. > > > > So now we have 3 different years of birth floating around viz-a- > viz > > 1948, 1949 and 1950. > > > > Then on the other hand there are birth data of twins where a few > > mins might change a lot of things...... > > > > Interesting eh !! > > > > May His Soul rest in Peace. > > > > Ash > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jagdish, > > > I have seen u ask about charts of famous people, I think even in > > > earlier posts you had asked similar thing. > > > There is no harm in that, but when people are famous and those > in > > > India who know the power of Jyotish shastra, sometimes give > > > misleading information. > > > Now, please do not get me wrong, maybe this data given by you is > > > cent per cent authentic then no harm in going deeper. If it is > > not > > > then ? How do u decide and confirm that this data is authentic > or > > > not? > > > There are so many needy people that would love to receive some > > help > > > regarding their charts who might give u authentic information > and > > > share data which can also facilitate your learning process. > > > > > > If you want to take such famous charts, then get about 20 solid > > > events and then study and match each and every event with the > time > > > and see if all matches. Then u can venture into future > prediction > > > if u find that all events are matching or coming close. > > > > > > For your information, I have seen many astrologers debate if > 1949 > > is > > > the birth year or is it 1948. Is the time 21:00 or 21:21. Is > the > > > place of birth Hyderabad or Mehabubnagar. Each of the three > DoB, > > > ToB and PoB are in question. > > > > > > If you have time and if u have a good number of solid and > > verifiable > > > events then feel free to go ahead, use KAS, verify events and > > > predict future events. Such an effort and exercise will help u > in > > > the long run. > > > > > > Also for other famous people too like politicians, actors, > > > actresses, industrialists, sports personalities etc. These > charts > > > can reveal a lot provided one has the right birth details. > > > > > > Otherwise, our Jyotish Shastra merely becomes a guessing game. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , Prathamesn > Chawan > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Sir Ash and other members > > > > > > > > Would you like to throw some light on Mr P. Mahajan's chart ? > > > > > > > > October 30, 1948 > > > > Time: 9:21:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 " > > > > Hyderabad, India > > > > > > > > > > > > I got the details from other group. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone > calls. > > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Ask him about his future ---- GAUTAM ANAND 05/05/06 13:49:13 Re: Re: Jagdish ---- ramesh mishra 05/03/06 22:21:29 Re: Re: Jagdish Mam Manoshi and dear Jagdish, Namaskar, Just do not blame the group without knowing the fact. Manoshi, I think you overlooked the message no.10931. I would like to advise you to read this message. At first instance tw took initiative to raise the issue of Pramod Mahajan, then I replied tw and after that Jagdish also raised the issue. Since it was a serious issue and there was no authentic birth chart. What ever chart I could pick up from other group I analysed it and put before the forum. When you read my analysis you may find out something from the message and you may correct me wherever i am wrong. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa wrote: Dear Jagdish, As I gather, you have a lot of doubts about astrology. I have been a student of science, and I myself dont believe in things unless they are really proven to me. I have tested this and experienced that KAS works very well, if the chart is right. It is a straight forward approach. With the help pf KAS, astrologers confirm the events of the past by applying the same principle that they would apply to predcit the future, so there is no trick (as it sounded from your mail). I could give you examples how KAS has worked for my life (Ash had predicted, and how amazed I was).Mind you, the prediction were for the future and they have come true so far. Coming to Pramod Mahajan's death, you must have noticed that none of us attempted the chart on this group, as it's a waste of time and energy to unnecessarily try to solve a chart which we are not sure of the birth time. For study purpose, we must take charts with almost known birth time or at least of people with whom we can confirm some events of life. Lastly, as I always say, its not the fault of astrology but astrologers who err and give wrong predictions. regards Manoshi , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > Respected Sir Ash > > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of Pt. Sanjay Rath on Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is critical for him but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's horoscope was discussed on all the astrology group. > > Some asked Pt. Sanjay Rath Ji that how are you sure about his birth details and he said that his family members told him. > > Now all the astrologers predicted that he will survive but after struggle. Noone said that he will die. > > But he passes away. > > I have seen it many many times that when it comes to predicting the future and in that predicting critical situation then many many astrologers fail (including Pt. K. N. Rao). While any astrologer can verify past with the help of astrology. > > Just two days ago, Pt. Sanjay Rath gave lecture that why he survived. He showed many reasons for his survival. What happened to his reasons ? > > Jagdish > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh and Jagdish, > From what I read from www.timesofindia.com > > " Senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan died at Mumbai's Hinduja Hospital > on Wednesday afternoon. He was 56. Mahajan had been shot by his > younger brother on April 22. " > > The age given by Times Of India is 56 years. So technically his > year of birth should be 1950. > > So now we have 3 different years of birth floating around viz-a- viz > 1948, 1949 and 1950. > > Then on the other hand there are birth data of twins where a few > mins might change a lot of things...... > > Interesting eh !! > > May His Soul rest in Peace. > > Ash > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jagdish, > > I have seen u ask about charts of famous people, I think even in > > earlier posts you had asked similar thing. > > There is no harm in that, but when people are famous and those in > > India who know the power of Jyotish shastra, sometimes give > > misleading information. > > Now, please do not get me wrong, maybe this data given by you is > > cent per cent authentic then no harm in going deeper. If it is > not > > then ? How do u decide and confirm that this data is authentic or > > not? > > There are so many needy people that would love to receive some > help > > regarding their charts who might give u authentic information and > > share data which can also facilitate your learning process. > > > > If you want to take such famous charts, then get about 20 solid > > events and then study and match each and every event with the time > > and see if all matches. Then u can venture into future prediction > > if u find that all events are matching or coming close. > > > > For your information, I have seen many astrologers debate if 1949 > is > > the birth year or is it 1948. Is the time 21:00 or 21:21. Is the > > place of birth Hyderabad or Mehabubnagar. Each of the three DoB, > > ToB and PoB are in question. > > > > If you have time and if u have a good number of solid and > verifiable > > events then feel free to go ahead, use KAS, verify events and > > predict future events. Such an effort and exercise will help u in > > the long run. > > > > Also for other famous people too like politicians, actors, > > actresses, industrialists, sports personalities etc. These charts > > can reveal a lot provided one has the right birth details. > > > > Otherwise, our Jyotish Shastra merely becomes a guessing game. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sir Ash and other members > > > > > > Would you like to throw some light on Mr P. Mahajan's chart ? > > > > > > October 30, 1948 > > > Time: 9:21:00 pm > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 " > > > Hyderabad, India > > > > > > > > > I got the details from other group. > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Dear Gautam, I am very sorry to read your comment on Sanjay Rath's reputation. I believe he is an honest jyotishy and we should highly respect him, as PVR Rao for his software's gift to the astrological community, Jagannatha Hora 7. We must recognize that many jyotish schools coexist and let them survive altogether. Otherwise, unknown school such as Krushna JUGALKALANI's couldn't have been known to the astrological community. Which mean that an important Tradition might have been lost. This must not happen, for any reason. Rath's conclusions on MAHAJAN can be very acceptable. Anyway, it seems to me, until further researches... (When he died, he was under JU sub, in 7Th, LoD of 1, 10 and LoE 2, 5). 2nd is alway Maraka in traditional Jyothis, although KAS look to 3 and 8... So, I still wonder. I studied Robert Amadou's chart, who left us latetly, and I am still overwhelmed... We still need to respect our fellows practioners and masters for their tremendous efforts to shed more light on jyotish wisdom... -- With my best regards, François... who is always enjoying reading everyone exchange on this wonderful e-list! ;-) GAUTAM ANAND <gautam_in écrivit: > Sanjay rath is a fraud > > > ---- > > GAUTAM ANAND > 05/05/06 13:49:13 > > Re: Re: Jagdish > > > > ---- > > ramesh mishra > 05/03/06 22:21:29 > > Re: Re: Jagdish > > Mam Manoshi and dear Jagdish, Namaskar, > Just do not blame the group without knowing the fact. Manoshi, I > think you overlooked the message no.10931. I would like to advise you > to read this message. At first instance tw took initiative to raise > the issue of Pramod Mahajan, then I replied tw and after that Jagdish > also raised the issue. Since it was a serious issue and there was no > authentic birth chart. What ever chart I could pick up from other > group I analysed it and put before the forum. When you read my > analysis you may find out something from the message and you may > correct me wherever i am wrong. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa wrote: > Dear Jagdish, > > As I gather, you have a lot of doubts about astrology. I have been a > student of science, and I myself dont believe in things unless they > are really proven to me. I have tested this and experienced that KAS > works very well, if the chart is right. It is a straight forward > approach. With the help pf KAS, astrologers confirm the events of > the past by applying the same principle that they would apply to > predcit the future, so there is no trick (as it sounded from your > mail). I could give you examples how KAS has worked for my life (Ash > had predicted, and how amazed I was).Mind you, the prediction were > for the future and they have come true so far. > > Coming to Pramod Mahajan's death, you must have noticed that none of > us attempted the chart on this group, as it's a waste of time and > energy to unnecessarily try to solve a chart which we are not sure > of the birth time. For study purpose, we must take charts with > almost known birth time or at least of people with whom we can > confirm some events of life. > > Lastly, as I always say, its not the fault of astrology but > astrologers who err and give wrong predictions. > > regards > Manoshi > > , Prathamesn Chawan > <upaoakcrest wrote: >> >> Respected Sir Ash >> >> Just few days ago i was listening lecture of Pt. Sanjay Rath on > Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is critical for him > but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's horoscope was discussed on > all the astrology group. >> >> Some asked Pt. Sanjay Rath Ji that how are you sure about his > birth details and he said that his family members told him. >> >> Now all the astrologers predicted that he will survive but after > struggle. Noone said that he will die. >> >> But he passes away. >> >> I have seen it many many times that when it comes to predicting > the future and in that predicting critical situation then many many > astrologers fail (including Pt. K. N. Rao). While any astrologer can > verify past with the help of astrology. >> >> Just two days ago, Pt. Sanjay Rath gave lecture that why he > survived. He showed many reasons for his survival. What happened to > his reasons ? >> >> Jagdish >> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: >> Dear Ramesh and Jagdish, >> From what I read from www.timesofindia.com >> >> " Senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan died at Mumbai's Hinduja > Hospital >> on Wednesday afternoon. He was 56. Mahajan had been shot by his >> younger brother on April 22. " >> >> The age given by Times Of India is 56 years. So technically his >> year of birth should be 1950. >> >> So now we have 3 different years of birth floating around viz-a- > viz >> 1948, 1949 and 1950. >> >> Then on the other hand there are birth data of twins where a few >> mins might change a lot of things...... >> >> Interesting eh !! >> >> May His Soul rest in Peace. >> >> Ash >> >> , " ashsam73 " >> <ashsam73@> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Jagdish, >>> I have seen u ask about charts of famous people, I think even in >>> earlier posts you had asked similar thing. >>> There is no harm in that, but when people are famous and those > in >>> India who know the power of Jyotish shastra, sometimes give >>> misleading information. >>> Now, please do not get me wrong, maybe this data given by you is >>> cent per cent authentic then no harm in going deeper. If it is >> not >>> then ? How do u decide and confirm that this data is authentic > or >>> not? >>> There are so many needy people that would love to receive some >> help >>> regarding their charts who might give u authentic information > and >>> share data which can also facilitate your learning process. >>> >>> If you want to take such famous charts, then get about 20 solid >>> events and then study and match each and every event with the > time >>> and see if all matches. Then u can venture into future > prediction >>> if u find that all events are matching or coming close. >>> >>> For your information, I have seen many astrologers debate if 1949 is >>> the birth year or is it 1948. Is the time 21:00 or 21:21. Is > the >>> place of birth Hyderabad or Mehabubnagar. Each of the three > DoB, >>> ToB and PoB are in question. >>> >>> If you have time and if u have a good number of solid and >> verifiable >>> events then feel free to go ahead, use KAS, verify events and >>> predict future events. Such an effort and exercise will help u > in >>> the long run. >>> >>> Also for other famous people too like politicians, actors, >>> actresses, industrialists, sports personalities etc. These > charts >>> can reveal a lot provided one has the right birth details. >>> >>> Otherwise, our Jyotish Shastra merely becomes a guessing game. >>> >>> Cheers !!! >>> Ash >>> >>> , Prathamesn > Chawan >>> <upaoakcrest@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Respected Sir Ash and other members >>>> >>>> Would you like to throw some light on Mr P. Mahajan's chart ? >>>> >>>> October 30, 1948 >>>> Time: 9:21:00 pm >>>> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) >>>> Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 " >>>> Hyderabad, India >>>> >>>> >>>> I got the details from other group. >>>> >>>> Best Wishes >>>> >>>> Jagdish >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. >>>> Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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