Mr. P. Mahajan/ birth dates and time accuracy

[Guest guest]

, as T <ast77us

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Ascertaining the proper birth time is critical for right

prediction true, but why is that when we have of personal events to

verify and cross check also, we fail?

>

> Are we missing here some important elements in the rectification

process or do we need to learn/understand more, or is it because

rectification needs a lot of practice/ experience/ diligence and if

they are missing it is easy to err?

>

> So my question is - whether or not the events like date of

marriage or college graduation, or foreign trips and stays, birth of

a child /surgeries etc etc can accurately determine the time of

birth? Even in cases where the lagna changes with in few minutes?

>

> You also mentioned that practice makes us perfect. So for my

learning and as well as for others, I would like to share my date of

birth, then people can predict the events, dates and confirm with my

data. Can I present my self as the walking talking guinea pig to

offer my data for discussion? In my case, I have the correct date

and place of birth info. , but the time is not very accurate, as the

lagna changes with in 2, 3 minutes of 5.08 am birth time. The lagna

can be confirmed after checking the dates of events that people come

up with. So, can I request the learners and the other learned men,

to attempt my case and tell me the following info.,

>

> The following events can be identified with correct dates for

dhanur and sagittarius lagna

>

> Whether I am male or female.

> my physical characteristics/attributes, Saggi VS scorpio

> my date of marriage and

> Birth of children, possibly as to how many, male, female?

> Note-worthy events

> Geographical/ physical moves.

> Theft date, place, and time, where it was stolen from?

> date I lost my father.

> I will give you a hint, the marriage took place in late 70's (

bet. 75-79). I had few trans-continental moves, one was in sept 77,

late 80's, two in early to mid 90's another in late 90's, and I

traveled very widely. (saw 30 countries in the world) Mine can

either be scorpio lagna or sagittarius. Another hint I can give you

is, I lost lot of things in a theft in 2000's. Our passports, cash,

our jewelry and all our clothes etc, and we (my spouse and I) were

left with the clothes we were wearing at the time in a strange city.

(Very traumatic) someone can be an astrological genius if they can

pinpoint the date of loss, where and when, and whether I found my

things or not. {Well someone can be a double genius if they can tell

me who stole it, and the person's address? } That was a very

substantial loss for us, and I am sure it would reflect some where

in my chart , as we have to do lot of running around to file the

police complaints, and re-establishing our identity

> again to get the passports, visas, our travel tickets etc.

Another tragic event that occurred is loss my father in early 2001.

>

> Now the reason for asking to come up with the dates of these

events, as opposed to me providing the dates is quite obvious here,

as some of us might feel we may try to justify the events after we

know that they have occurred on that particular date, as opposed to

coming up with events/ date and time based on the natal, transit

chart. Since they were destined/determined events, we should be able

identify/ narrow down these dates based on the astrological

principles. It is a real test to the knowledge.

>

> This is a sort of a puzzle for birth rectification principles,

(but you are also helping me indirectly by confirming my DOB, while

you are learning or sharing or whatever you are doing, so thanks in

advance for that)

>

> Here one may be looking at both lagnas, to note down the dates

of events. So please mention the dates and lagna separately, and

then I can confirm them based on the actual occurrences.

>

> This may be for serious learners who want to attempt and perfect

their rectification methods, and as well for those who mastered

astrology and have a large heart to share their techniques/logic of

using rectification methods, as rectification methods are crucial

for predictions. So I thank both the groups. But in case, I upset

(?) any one in-between for reasons beyond my comprehension, my

apologies to them also in advance .

> My DOB jan 4th 1953

> Time 5.08 am 0r 5.10 am

> Place: Madras

> Thank you

> ( I am not signing my name yet)

>

>

>

>

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

>

> " I always say, and you can find in so many mails, is first u first

be

> comfortable with the birth data given and match the events if in

> line. It is also written down in the introductory page when you

log

> on to the list. Make sure the events are mathing. Now this is a

> labourious job and tedious. "

>

> Yes, in doing so u can practice and get the technique right.

Slowly

> slowly one gets confidence. There is no substitue for hard work

and

> experience.

>

> This is no matter what system you use or what technique.

>

> We are just trying to follow that here.

>

> If birth data is wrong, everything goes wrong.

>

> I hope you get the point what I am driving at.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , Prathamesn Chawan

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir Ash

> >

> > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of Pt. Sanjay Rath

on

> Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is critical for him

> but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's horoscope was discussed

on

> all the astrology group.

> >

> > Some asked Pt. Sanjay Rath Ji that how are you sure about his

> birth details and he said that his family members told him.

> >

> > Now all the astrologers predicted that he will survive but

after

> struggle. Noone said that he will die.

> >

> > But he passes away.

> >

> > I have seen it many many times that when it comes to

predicting

> the future and in that predicting critical situation then many

many

> astrologers fail (including Pt. K. N. Rao). While any astrologer

can

> verify past with the help of astrology.

> >

> > Just two days ago, Pt. Sanjay Rath gave lecture that why he

> survived. He showed many reasons for his survival. What happened

to

> his reasons ?

> >

> > Jagdish

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh and Jagdish,

> > From what I read from www.timesofindia.com

> >

> > " Senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan died at Mumbai's Hinduja

> Hospital

> > on Wednesday afternoon. He was 56. Mahajan had been shot by his

> > younger brother on April 22. "

> >

> > The age given by Times Of India is 56 years. So technically his

> > year of birth should be 1950.

> >

> > So now we have 3 different years of birth floating around viz-a-

> viz

> > 1948, 1949 and 1950.

> >

> > Then on the other hand there are birth data of twins where a few

> > mins might change a lot of things......

> >

> > Interesting eh !!

> >

> > May His Soul rest in Peace.

> >

> > Ash

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagdish,

> > > I have seen u ask about charts of famous people, I think even

in

> > > earlier posts you had asked similar thing.

> > > There is no harm in that, but when people are famous and those

> in

> > > India who know the power of Jyotish shastra, sometimes give

> > > misleading information.

> > > Now, please do not get me wrong, maybe this data given by you

is

> > > cent per cent authentic then no harm in going deeper. If it

is

> > not

> > > then ? How do u decide and confirm that this data is

authentic

> or

> > > not?

> > > There are so many needy people that would love to receive some

> > help

> > > regarding their charts who might give u authentic information

> and

> > > share data which can also facilitate your learning process.

> > >

> > > If you want to take such famous charts, then get about 20

solid

> > > events and then study and match each and every event with the

> time

> > > and see if all matches. Then u can venture into future

> prediction

> > > if u find that all events are matching or coming close.

> > >

> > > For your information, I have seen many astrologers debate if

> 1949

> > is

> > > the birth year or is it 1948. Is the time 21:00 or 21:21. Is

> the

> > > place of birth Hyderabad or Mehabubnagar. Each of the three

> DoB,

> > > ToB and PoB are in question.

> > >

> > > If you have time and if u have a good number of solid and

> > verifiable

> > > events then feel free to go ahead, use KAS, verify events and

> > > predict future events. Such an effort and exercise will help

u

> in

> > > the long run.

> > >

> > > Also for other famous people too like politicians, actors,

> > > actresses, industrialists, sports personalities etc. These

> charts

> > > can reveal a lot provided one has the right birth details.

> > >

> > > Otherwise, our Jyotish Shastra merely becomes a guessing

game.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , Prathamesn

> Chawan

> > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir Ash and other members

> > > >

> > > > Would you like to throw some light on Mr P. Mahajan's

chart ?

> > > >

> > > > October 30, 1948

> > > > Time: 9:21:00 pm

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 "

> > > > Hyderabad, India

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I got the details from other group.

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > Jagdish

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone

> calls.

> > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear as T,

Have you by any chance had a chance to read some of the archives.

So many charts have been solved blindly.

 

Krushnaji, himself has rectified charts on this list and made future

predictions. There have also been people on list who have confirmed

their birth time and have given events, and in 1 instance I have

seen krushnaji pick up a chart and tell that person, that he is

taking that chart as an example, as None of the events that he gave

matched the facts. He not only rectified the time but made a future

prediction that in i think it was 7 montsh time he would have a

conception. The gentleman did come back on list and reply that the

event came true and his wife and he did conceive.

 

Then you can check starting from message 519. Chart of Richard

Houck was discussed at length, between Krushnaji, Donna and others.

 

Another thing, I may err, and I am only human and I for one have

never claimed that my predictions are right. I have always shared

my observations on the lines of KAS and helped others who are keen

on learning KAS and shared with them what so ever I have learnt.

 

As per your chart, with 5:08 and 5:10 the lagna remains

Sagittarius. I am not clear on why you are getting the lagna

changing.

 

With 5:08 birth time here are the degrees

 

As 0 Sg 39

Su 21 Sg 1

Mo 2 Le 45

Ma 10 Aq 50

Me 3 Sg 56

JuR 18 Ar 40

Ve 6 Aq 0

Sa 4 Li 5

Ra 21 Cp 37

Ke 21 Cn 37

 

 

With 5:10 here are the degrees

 

As 1 Sg 7

Su 21 Sg 1

Mo 2 Le 46

Ma 10 Aq 50

Me 3 Sg 56

JuR 18 Ar 40

Ve 6 Aq 0

Sa 4 Li 5

Ra 21 Cp 37

Ke 21 Cn 37

 

It would be better if you can download the lessons, and KAS2006 WS

Program and cast your chart in it. That way we will all be on the

same page.

Then make a try and see which lagna suits better. If you have any

doubts, I can try to help you with the knowledge I have.

 

I do not have time to do such exhaustive analysis of rectification

given the fact that I have a full time job and a family and jyotish

is my hobby and not my profession.

 

I hope you can understand.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, as T <ast77us

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Ascertaining the proper birth time is critical for right

prediction true, but why is that when we have of personal events to

verify and cross check also, we fail?

>

> Are we missing here some important elements in the rectification

process or do we need to learn/understand more, or is it because

rectification needs a lot of practice/ experience/ diligence and if

they are missing it is easy to err?

>

> So my question is - whether or not the events like date of

marriage or college graduation, or foreign trips and stays, birth of

a child /surgeries etc etc can accurately determine the time of

birth? Even in cases where the lagna changes with in few minutes?

>

> You also mentioned that practice makes us perfect. So for my

learning and as well as for others, I would like to share my date of

birth, then people can predict the events, dates and confirm with my

data. Can I present my self as the walking talking guinea pig to

offer my data for discussion? In my case, I have the correct date

and place of birth info. , but the time is not very accurate, as the

lagna changes with in 2, 3 minutes of 5.08 am birth time. The lagna

can be confirmed after checking the dates of events that people come

up with. So, can I request the learners and the other learned men,

to attempt my case and tell me the following info.,

>

> The following events can be identified with correct dates for

dhanur and sagittarius lagna

>

> Whether I am male or female.

> my physical characteristics/attributes, Saggi VS scorpio

> my date of marriage and

> Birth of children, possibly as to how many, male, female?

> Note-worthy events

> Geographical/ physical moves.

> Theft date, place, and time, where it was stolen from?

> date I lost my father.

> I will give you a hint, the marriage took place in late 70's (

bet. 75-79). I had few trans-continental moves, one was in sept 77,

late 80's, two in early to mid 90's another in late 90's, and I

traveled very widely. (saw 30 countries in the world) Mine can

either be scorpio lagna or sagittarius. Another hint I can give you

is, I lost lot of things in a theft in 2000's. Our passports, cash,

our jewelry and all our clothes etc, and we (my spouse and I) were

left with the clothes we were wearing at the time in a strange city.

(Very traumatic) someone can be an astrological genius if they can

pinpoint the date of loss, where and when, and whether I found my

things or not. {Well someone can be a double genius if they can tell

me who stole it, and the person's address? } That was a very

substantial loss for us, and I am sure it would reflect some where

in my chart , as we have to do lot of running around to file the

police complaints, and re-establishing our identity

> again to get the passports, visas, our travel tickets etc.

Another tragic event that occurred is loss my father in early 2001.

>

> Now the reason for asking to come up with the dates of these

events, as opposed to me providing the dates is quite obvious here,

as some of us might feel we may try to justify the events after we

know that they have occurred on that particular date, as opposed to

coming up with events/ date and time based on the natal, transit

chart. Since they were destined/determined events, we should be able

identify/ narrow down these dates based on the astrological

principles. It is a real test to the knowledge.

>

> This is a sort of a puzzle for birth rectification principles,

(but you are also helping me indirectly by confirming my DOB, while

you are learning or sharing or whatever you are doing, so thanks in

advance for that)

>

> Here one may be looking at both lagnas, to note down the dates

of events. So please mention the dates and lagna separately, and

then I can confirm them based on the actual occurrences.

>

> This may be for serious learners who want to attempt and perfect

their rectification methods, and as well for those who mastered

astrology and have a large heart to share their techniques/logic of

using rectification methods, as rectification methods are crucial

for predictions. So I thank both the groups. But in case, I upset

(?) any one in-between for reasons beyond my comprehension, my

apologies to them also in advance .

> My DOB jan 4th 1953

> Time 5.08 am 0r 5.10 am

> Place: Madras

> Thank you

> ( I am not signing my name yet)

>

>

>

>

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

>

> " I always say, and you can find in so many mails, is first u first

be

> comfortable with the birth data given and match the events if in

> line. It is also written down in the introductory page when you

log

> on to the list. Make sure the events are mathing. Now this is a

> labourious job and tedious. "

>

> Yes, in doing so u can practice and get the technique right.

Slowly

> slowly one gets confidence. There is no substitue for hard work

and

> experience.

>

> This is no matter what system you use or what technique.

>

> We are just trying to follow that here.

>

> If birth data is wrong, everything goes wrong.

>

> I hope you get the point what I am driving at.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , Prathamesn Chawan

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir Ash

> >

> > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of Pt. Sanjay Rath

on

> Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is critical for him

> but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's horoscope was discussed

on

> all the astrology group.

> >

> > Some asked Pt. Sanjay Rath Ji that how are you sure about his

> birth details and he said that his family members told him.

> >

> > Now all the astrologers predicted that he will survive but

after

> struggle. Noone said that he will die.

> >

> > But he passes away.

> >

> > I have seen it many many times that when it comes to

predicting

> the future and in that predicting critical situation then many

many

> astrologers fail (including Pt. K. N. Rao). While any astrologer

can

> verify past with the help of astrology.

> >

> > Just two days ago, Pt. Sanjay Rath gave lecture that why he

> survived. He showed many reasons for his survival. What happened

to

> his reasons ?

> >

> > Jagdish

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh and Jagdish,

> > From what I read from www.timesofindia.com

> >

> > " Senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan died at Mumbai's Hinduja

> Hospital

> > on Wednesday afternoon. He was 56. Mahajan had been shot by his

> > younger brother on April 22. "

> >

> > The age given by Times Of India is 56 years. So technically his

> > year of birth should be 1950.

> >

> > So now we have 3 different years of birth floating around viz-a-

> viz

> > 1948, 1949 and 1950.

> >

> > Then on the other hand there are birth data of twins where a few

> > mins might change a lot of things......

> >

> > Interesting eh !!

> >

> > May His Soul rest in Peace.

> >

> > Ash

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagdish,

> > > I have seen u ask about charts of famous people, I think even

in

> > > earlier posts you had asked similar thing.

> > > There is no harm in that, but when people are famous and those

> in

> > > India who know the power of Jyotish shastra, sometimes give

> > > misleading information.

> > > Now, please do not get me wrong, maybe this data given by you

is

> > > cent per cent authentic then no harm in going deeper. If it

is

> > not

> > > then ? How do u decide and confirm that this data is

authentic

> or

> > > not?

> > > There are so many needy people that would love to receive some

> > help

> > > regarding their charts who might give u authentic information

> and

> > > share data which can also facilitate your learning process.

> > >

> > > If you want to take such famous charts, then get about 20

solid

> > > events and then study and match each and every event with the

> time

> > > and see if all matches. Then u can venture into future

> prediction

> > > if u find that all events are matching or coming close.

> > >

> > > For your information, I have seen many astrologers debate if

> 1949

> > is

> > > the birth year or is it 1948. Is the time 21:00 or 21:21. Is

> the

> > > place of birth Hyderabad or Mehabubnagar. Each of the three

> DoB,

> > > ToB and PoB are in question.

> > >

> > > If you have time and if u have a good number of solid and

> > verifiable

> > > events then feel free to go ahead, use KAS, verify events and

> > > predict future events. Such an effort and exercise will help

u

> in

> > > the long run.

> > >

> > > Also for other famous people too like politicians, actors,

> > > actresses, industrialists, sports personalities etc. These

> charts

> > > can reveal a lot provided one has the right birth details.

> > >

> > > Otherwise, our Jyotish Shastra merely becomes a guessing

game.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , Prathamesn

> Chawan

> > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir Ash and other members

> > > >

> > > > Would you like to throw some light on Mr P. Mahajan's

chart ?

> > > >

> > > > October 30, 1948

> > > > Time: 9:21:00 pm

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 "

> > > > Hyderabad, India

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I got the details from other group.

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > Jagdish

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone

> calls.

> > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

is the chart of a female, considering dhanu lagna.

lagna rashi+ravi rashi+guru rashi +rahu

rashi----devided by 3 balance remains 2, hence female.

for 0and one, male chart--this works upto sixty

percent.

regards,

deepak

--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

 

> , as

> T <ast77us

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Ascertaining the proper birth time is critical

> for right

> prediction true, but why is that when we have of

> personal events to

> verify and cross check also, we fail?

> >

> > Are we missing here some important elements in

> the rectification

> process or do we need to learn/understand more, or

> is it because

> rectification needs a lot of practice/ experience/

> diligence and if

> they are missing it is easy to err?

> >

> > So my question is - whether or not the events

> like date of

> marriage or college graduation, or foreign trips and

> stays, birth of

> a child /surgeries etc etc can accurately determine

> the time of

> birth? Even in cases where the lagna changes with in

> few minutes?

> >

> > You also mentioned that practice makes us

> perfect. So for my

> learning and as well as for others, I would like to

> share my date of

> birth, then people can predict the events, dates and

> confirm with my

> data. Can I present my self as the walking talking

> guinea pig to

> offer my data for discussion? In my case, I have the

> correct date

> and place of birth info. , but the time is not very

> accurate, as the

> lagna changes with in 2, 3 minutes of 5.08 am birth

> time. The lagna

> can be confirmed after checking the dates of events

> that people come

> up with. So, can I request the learners and the

> other learned men,

> to attempt my case and tell me the following info.,

> >

> > The following events can be identified with

> correct dates for

> dhanur and sagittarius lagna

> >

> > Whether I am male or female.

> > my physical characteristics/attributes, Saggi

> VS scorpio

> > my date of marriage and

> > Birth of children, possibly as to how many,

> male, female?

> > Note-worthy events

> > Geographical/ physical moves.

> > Theft date, place, and time, where it was

> stolen from?

> > date I lost my father.

> > I will give you a hint, the marriage took place

> in late 70's (

> bet. 75-79). I had few trans-continental moves, one

> was in sept 77,

> late 80's, two in early to mid 90's another in late

> 90's, and I

> traveled very widely. (saw 30 countries in the

> world) Mine can

> either be scorpio lagna or sagittarius. Another hint

> I can give you

> is, I lost lot of things in a theft in 2000's. Our

> passports, cash,

> our jewelry and all our clothes etc, and we (my

> spouse and I) were

> left with the clothes we were wearing at the time in

> a strange city.

> (Very traumatic) someone can be an astrological

> genius if they can

> pinpoint the date of loss, where and when, and

> whether I found my

> things or not. {Well someone can be a double genius

> if they can tell

> me who stole it, and the person's address? } That

> was a very

> substantial loss for us, and I am sure it would

> reflect some where

> in my chart , as we have to do lot of running around

> to file the

> police complaints, and re-establishing our identity

> > again to get the passports, visas, our travel

> tickets etc.

> Another tragic event that occurred is loss my father

> in early 2001.

> >

> > Now the reason for asking to come up with the

> dates of these

> events, as opposed to me providing the dates is

> quite obvious here,

> as some of us might feel we may try to justify the

> events after we

> know that they have occurred on that particular

> date, as opposed to

> coming up with events/ date and time based on the

> natal, transit

> chart. Since they were destined/determined events,

> we should be able

> identify/ narrow down these dates based on the

> astrological

> principles. It is a real test to the knowledge.

> >

> > This is a sort of a puzzle for birth

> rectification principles,

> (but you are also helping me indirectly by

> confirming my DOB, while

> you are learning or sharing or whatever you are

> doing, so thanks in

> advance for that)

> >

> > Here one may be looking at both lagnas, to note

> down the dates

> of events. So please mention the dates and lagna

> separately, and

> then I can confirm them based on the actual

> occurrences.

> >

> > This may be for serious learners who want to

> attempt and perfect

> their rectification methods, and as well for those

> who mastered

> astrology and have a large heart to share their

> techniques/logic of

> using rectification methods, as rectification

> methods are crucial

> for predictions. So I thank both the groups. But

> in case, I upset

> (?) any one in-between for reasons beyond my

> comprehension, my

> apologies to them also in advance .

> > My DOB jan 4th 1953

> > Time 5.08 am 0r 5.10 am

> > Place: Madras

> > Thank you

> > ( I am not signing my name yet)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> >

> > " I always say, and you can find in so many mails,

> is first u first

> be

> > comfortable with the birth data given and match

> the events if in

> > line. It is also written down in the introductory

> page when you

> log

> > on to the list. Make sure the events are mathing.

> Now this is a

> > labourious job and tedious. "

> >

> > Yes, in doing so u can practice and get the

> technique right.

> Slowly

> > slowly one gets confidence. There is no substitue

> for hard work

> and

> > experience.

> >

> > This is no matter what system you use or what

> technique.

> >

> > We are just trying to follow that here.

> >

> > If birth data is wrong, everything goes wrong.

> >

> > I hope you get the point what I am driving at.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > ,

> Prathamesn Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir Ash

> > >

> > > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of

> Pt. Sanjay Rath

> on

> > Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is

> critical for him

> > but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's

> horoscope was discussed

> on

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear as T and List Members,

 

One thing I forgot to add which I am adding here in, is that

 

If ever my predictions do come right, ALL the credit goes to My

Teacher and Guide, Krushnaji without whos guidance, helping,

teaching and having lots patience to keep answering my questions.

If I make any mistake its only due to my lack of knowledge or if I

have overlooked some laws or some aspect and those are all MY fault

and not of KAS.

 

Krushnaji, if you are reading this, My Pranams and Thanks to you Sir.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear as T,

> Have you by any chance had a chance to read some of the archives.

> So many charts have been solved blindly.

>

> Krushnaji, himself has rectified charts on this list and made

future

> predictions. There have also been people on list who have

confirmed

> their birth time and have given events, and in 1 instance I have

> seen krushnaji pick up a chart and tell that person, that he is

> taking that chart as an example, as None of the events that he

gave

> matched the facts. He not only rectified the time but made a

future

> prediction that in i think it was 7 montsh time he would have a

> conception. The gentleman did come back on list and reply that

the

> event came true and his wife and he did conceive.

>

> Then you can check starting from message 519. Chart of Richard

> Houck was discussed at length, between Krushnaji, Donna and others.

>

> Another thing, I may err, and I am only human and I for one have

> never claimed that my predictions are right. I have always shared

> my observations on the lines of KAS and helped others who are keen

> on learning KAS and shared with them what so ever I have learnt.

>

> As per your chart, with 5:08 and 5:10 the lagna remains

> Sagittarius. I am not clear on why you are getting the lagna

> changing.

>

> With 5:08 birth time here are the degrees

>

> As 0 Sg 39

> Su 21 Sg 1

> Mo 2 Le 45

> Ma 10 Aq 50

> Me 3 Sg 56

> JuR 18 Ar 40

> Ve 6 Aq 0

> Sa 4 Li 5

> Ra 21 Cp 37

> Ke 21 Cn 37

>

>

> With 5:10 here are the degrees

>

> As 1 Sg 7

> Su 21 Sg 1

> Mo 2 Le 46

> Ma 10 Aq 50

> Me 3 Sg 56

> JuR 18 Ar 40

> Ve 6 Aq 0

> Sa 4 Li 5

> Ra 21 Cp 37

> Ke 21 Cn 37

>

> It would be better if you can download the lessons, and KAS2006 WS

> Program and cast your chart in it. That way we will all be on the

> same page.

> Then make a try and see which lagna suits better. If you have any

> doubts, I can try to help you with the knowledge I have.

>

> I do not have time to do such exhaustive analysis of rectification

> given the fact that I have a full time job and a family and

jyotish

> is my hobby and not my profession.

>

> I hope you can understand.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , as T <ast77us@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Ascertaining the proper birth time is critical for right

> prediction true, but why is that when we have of personal events

to

> verify and cross check also, we fail?

> >

> > Are we missing here some important elements in the

rectification

> process or do we need to learn/understand more, or is it because

> rectification needs a lot of practice/ experience/ diligence and

if

> they are missing it is easy to err?

> >

> > So my question is - whether or not the events like date of

> marriage or college graduation, or foreign trips and stays, birth

of

> a child /surgeries etc etc can accurately determine the time of

> birth? Even in cases where the lagna changes with in few minutes?

> >

> > You also mentioned that practice makes us perfect. So for my

> learning and as well as for others, I would like to share my date

of

> birth, then people can predict the events, dates and confirm with

my

> data. Can I present my self as the walking talking guinea pig to

> offer my data for discussion? In my case, I have the correct date

> and place of birth info. , but the time is not very accurate, as

the

> lagna changes with in 2, 3 minutes of 5.08 am birth time. The

lagna

> can be confirmed after checking the dates of events that people

come

> up with. So, can I request the learners and the other learned men,

> to attempt my case and tell me the following info.,

> >

> > The following events can be identified with correct dates for

> dhanur and sagittarius lagna

> >

> > Whether I am male or female.

> > my physical characteristics/attributes, Saggi VS scorpio

> > my date of marriage and

> > Birth of children, possibly as to how many, male, female?

> > Note-worthy events

> > Geographical/ physical moves.

> > Theft date, place, and time, where it was stolen from?

> > date I lost my father.

> > I will give you a hint, the marriage took place in late 70's

(

> bet. 75-79). I had few trans-continental moves, one was in sept

77,

> late 80's, two in early to mid 90's another in late 90's, and I

> traveled very widely. (saw 30 countries in the world) Mine can

> either be scorpio lagna or sagittarius. Another hint I can give

you

> is, I lost lot of things in a theft in 2000's. Our passports,

cash,

> our jewelry and all our clothes etc, and we (my spouse and I) were

> left with the clothes we were wearing at the time in a strange

city.

> (Very traumatic) someone can be an astrological genius if they

can

> pinpoint the date of loss, where and when, and whether I found my

> things or not. {Well someone can be a double genius if they can

tell

> me who stole it, and the person's address? } That was a very

> substantial loss for us, and I am sure it would reflect some

where

> in my chart , as we have to do lot of running around to file the

> police complaints, and re-establishing our identity

> > again to get the passports, visas, our travel tickets etc.

> Another tragic event that occurred is loss my father in early 2001.

> >

> > Now the reason for asking to come up with the dates of these

> events, as opposed to me providing the dates is quite obvious

here,

> as some of us might feel we may try to justify the events after we

> know that they have occurred on that particular date, as opposed

to

> coming up with events/ date and time based on the natal, transit

> chart. Since they were destined/determined events, we should be

able

> identify/ narrow down these dates based on the astrological

> principles. It is a real test to the knowledge.

> >

> > This is a sort of a puzzle for birth rectification principles,

> (but you are also helping me indirectly by confirming my DOB,

while

> you are learning or sharing or whatever you are doing, so thanks

in

> advance for that)

> >

> > Here one may be looking at both lagnas, to note down the dates

> of events. So please mention the dates and lagna separately, and

> then I can confirm them based on the actual occurrences.

> >

> > This may be for serious learners who want to attempt and

perfect

> their rectification methods, and as well for those who mastered

> astrology and have a large heart to share their techniques/logic

of

> using rectification methods, as rectification methods are crucial

> for predictions. So I thank both the groups. But in case, I

upset

> (?) any one in-between for reasons beyond my comprehension, my

> apologies to them also in advance .

> > My DOB jan 4th 1953

> > Time 5.08 am 0r 5.10 am

> > Place: Madras

> > Thank you

> > ( I am not signing my name yet)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> >

> > " I always say, and you can find in so many mails, is first u

first

> be

> > comfortable with the birth data given and match the events if in

> > line. It is also written down in the introductory page when you

> log

> > on to the list. Make sure the events are mathing. Now this is

a

> > labourious job and tedious. "

> >

> > Yes, in doing so u can practice and get the technique right.

> Slowly

> > slowly one gets confidence. There is no substitue for hard work

> and

> > experience.

> >

> > This is no matter what system you use or what technique.

> >

> > We are just trying to follow that here.

> >

> > If birth data is wrong, everything goes wrong.

> >

> > I hope you get the point what I am driving at.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , Prathamesn

Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir Ash

> > >

> > > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of Pt. Sanjay Rath

> on

> > Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is critical for

him

> > but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's horoscope was

discussed

> on

> > all the astrology group.

> > >

> > > Some asked Pt. Sanjay Rath Ji that how are you sure about

his

> > birth details and he said that his family members told him.

> > >

> > > Now all the astrologers predicted that he will survive but

> after

> > struggle. Noone said that he will die.

> > >

> > > But he passes away.

> > >

> > > I have seen it many many times that when it comes to

> predicting

> > the future and in that predicting critical situation then many

> many

> > astrologers fail (including Pt. K. N. Rao). While any astrologer

> can

> > verify past with the help of astrology.

> > >

> > > Just two days ago, Pt. Sanjay Rath gave lecture that why he

> > survived. He showed many reasons for his survival. What happened

> to

> > his reasons ?

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ramesh and Jagdish,

> > > From what I read from www.timesofindia.com

> > >

> > > " Senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan died at Mumbai's Hinduja

> > Hospital

> > > on Wednesday afternoon. He was 56. Mahajan had been shot by

his

> > > younger brother on April 22. "

> > >

> > > The age given by Times Of India is 56 years. So technically

his

> > > year of birth should be 1950.

> > >

> > > So now we have 3 different years of birth floating around viz-

a-

> > viz

> > > 1948, 1949 and 1950.

> > >

> > > Then on the other hand there are birth data of twins where a

few

> > > mins might change a lot of things......

> > >

> > > Interesting eh !!

> > >

> > > May His Soul rest in Peace.

> > >

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jagdish,

> > > > I have seen u ask about charts of famous people, I think

even

> in

> > > > earlier posts you had asked similar thing.

> > > > There is no harm in that, but when people are famous and

those

> > in

> > > > India who know the power of Jyotish shastra, sometimes give

> > > > misleading information.

> > > > Now, please do not get me wrong, maybe this data given by

you

> is

> > > > cent per cent authentic then no harm in going deeper. If it

> is

> > > not

> > > > then ? How do u decide and confirm that this data is

> authentic

> > or

> > > > not?

> > > > There are so many needy people that would love to receive

some

> > > help

> > > > regarding their charts who might give u authentic

information

> > and

> > > > share data which can also facilitate your learning process.

> > > >

> > > > If you want to take such famous charts, then get about 20

> solid

> > > > events and then study and match each and every event with

the

> > time

> > > > and see if all matches. Then u can venture into future

> > prediction

> > > > if u find that all events are matching or coming close.

> > > >

> > > > For your information, I have seen many astrologers debate if

> > 1949

> > > is

> > > > the birth year or is it 1948. Is the time 21:00 or 21:21.

Is

> > the

> > > > place of birth Hyderabad or Mehabubnagar. Each of the three

> > DoB,

> > > > ToB and PoB are in question.

> > > >

> > > > If you have time and if u have a good number of solid and

> > > verifiable

> > > > events then feel free to go ahead, use KAS, verify events

and

> > > > predict future events. Such an effort and exercise will

help

> u

> > in

> > > > the long run.

> > > >

> > > > Also for other famous people too like politicians, actors,

> > > > actresses, industrialists, sports personalities etc. These

> > charts

> > > > can reveal a lot provided one has the right birth details.

> > > >

> > > > Otherwise, our Jyotish Shastra merely becomes a guessing

> game.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , Prathamesn

> > Chawan

> > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir Ash and other members

> > > > >

> > > > > Would you like to throw some light on Mr P. Mahajan's

> chart ?

> > > > >

> > > > > October 30, 1948

> > > > > Time: 9:21:00 pm

> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 "

> > > > > Hyderabad, India

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I got the details from other group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > Jagdish

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone

> > calls.

> > > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear as T,

 

Here are a few mails that u might find useful.

 

The mail that I was refering to in my mail to you was the

conversation between Atul and Krushnaji.

 

You can follow that here

/message/2907

 

The below are other mails that u might find useful for

rectification. There are other mails, where Krushaji has rectified

times of Ron, Donna, Das Gupta, Denis and others. Those you can

find from the archives. As and when you get time, refer to

Krushnaji's mails from the begining.

 

 

/message/1896

 

Mail on chart rectification

 

This is an exchange between Krushnaji and Das Gupta

 

/message/2026

 

 

Rectification by Krushaji

 

/message/2031

 

Approach to learning KAS by Krushnaji

 

/message/2261

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, as T <ast77us

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Ascertaining the proper birth time is critical for right

prediction true, but why is that when we have of personal events to

verify and cross check also, we fail?

>

> Are we missing here some important elements in the rectification

process or do we need to learn/understand more, or is it because

rectification needs a lot of practice/ experience/ diligence and if

they are missing it is easy to err?

>

> So my question is - whether or not the events like date of

marriage or college graduation, or foreign trips and stays, birth of

a child /surgeries etc etc can accurately determine the time of

birth? Even in cases where the lagna changes with in few minutes?

>

> You also mentioned that practice makes us perfect. So for my

learning and as well as for others, I would like to share my date of

birth, then people can predict the events, dates and confirm with my

data. Can I present my self as the walking talking guinea pig to

offer my data for discussion? In my case, I have the correct date

and place of birth info. , but the time is not very accurate, as the

lagna changes with in 2, 3 minutes of 5.08 am birth time. The lagna

can be confirmed after checking the dates of events that people come

up with. So, can I request the learners and the other learned men,

to attempt my case and tell me the following info.,

>

> The following events can be identified with correct dates for

dhanur and sagittarius lagna

>

> Whether I am male or female.

> my physical characteristics/attributes, Saggi VS scorpio

> my date of marriage and

> Birth of children, possibly as to how many, male, female?

> Note-worthy events

> Geographical/ physical moves.

> Theft date, place, and time, where it was stolen from?

> date I lost my father.

> I will give you a hint, the marriage took place in late 70's (

bet. 75-79). I had few trans-continental moves, one was in sept 77,

late 80's, two in early to mid 90's another in late 90's, and I

traveled very widely. (saw 30 countries in the world) Mine can

either be scorpio lagna or sagittarius. Another hint I can give you

is, I lost lot of things in a theft in 2000's. Our passports, cash,

our jewelry and all our clothes etc, and we (my spouse and I) were

left with the clothes we were wearing at the time in a strange city.

(Very traumatic) someone can be an astrological genius if they can

pinpoint the date of loss, where and when, and whether I found my

things or not. {Well someone can be a double genius if they can tell

me who stole it, and the person's address? } That was a very

substantial loss for us, and I am sure it would reflect some where

in my chart , as we have to do lot of running around to file the

police complaints, and re-establishing our identity

> again to get the passports, visas, our travel tickets etc.

Another tragic event that occurred is loss my father in early 2001.

>

> Now the reason for asking to come up with the dates of these

events, as opposed to me providing the dates is quite obvious here,

as some of us might feel we may try to justify the events after we

know that they have occurred on that particular date, as opposed to

coming up with events/ date and time based on the natal, transit

chart. Since they were destined/determined events, we should be able

identify/ narrow down these dates based on the astrological

principles. It is a real test to the knowledge.

>

> This is a sort of a puzzle for birth rectification principles,

(but you are also helping me indirectly by confirming my DOB, while

you are learning or sharing or whatever you are doing, so thanks in

advance for that)

>

> Here one may be looking at both lagnas, to note down the dates

of events. So please mention the dates and lagna separately, and

then I can confirm them based on the actual occurrences.

>

> This may be for serious learners who want to attempt and perfect

their rectification methods, and as well for those who mastered

astrology and have a large heart to share their techniques/logic of

using rectification methods, as rectification methods are crucial

for predictions. So I thank both the groups. But in case, I upset

(?) any one in-between for reasons beyond my comprehension, my

apologies to them also in advance .

> My DOB jan 4th 1953

> Time 5.08 am 0r 5.10 am

> Place: Madras

> Thank you

> ( I am not signing my name yet)

>

>

>

>

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

>

> " I always say, and you can find in so many mails, is first u first

be

> comfortable with the birth data given and match the events if in

> line. It is also written down in the introductory page when you

log

> on to the list. Make sure the events are mathing. Now this is a

> labourious job and tedious. "

>

> Yes, in doing so u can practice and get the technique right.

Slowly

> slowly one gets confidence. There is no substitue for hard work

and

> experience.

>

> This is no matter what system you use or what technique.

>

> We are just trying to follow that here.

>

> If birth data is wrong, everything goes wrong.

>

> I hope you get the point what I am driving at.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , Prathamesn Chawan

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir Ash

> >

> > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of Pt. Sanjay Rath

on

> Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is critical for him

> but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's horoscope was discussed

on

> all the astrology group.

> >

> > Some asked Pt. Sanjay Rath Ji that how are you sure about his

> birth details and he said that his family members told him.

> >

> > Now all the astrologers predicted that he will survive but

after

> struggle. Noone said that he will die.

> >

> > But he passes away.

> >

> > I have seen it many many times that when it comes to

predicting

> the future and in that predicting critical situation then many

many

> astrologers fail (including Pt. K. N. Rao). While any astrologer

can

> verify past with the help of astrology.

> >

> > Just two days ago, Pt. Sanjay Rath gave lecture that why he

> survived. He showed many reasons for his survival. What happened

to

> his reasons ?

> >

> > Jagdish

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > Dear Ramesh and Jagdish,

> > From what I read from www.timesofindia.com

> >

> > " Senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan died at Mumbai's Hinduja

> Hospital

> > on Wednesday afternoon. He was 56. Mahajan had been shot by his

> > younger brother on April 22. "

> >

> > The age given by Times Of India is 56 years. So technically his

> > year of birth should be 1950.

> >

> > So now we have 3 different years of birth floating around viz-a-

> viz

> > 1948, 1949 and 1950.

> >

> > Then on the other hand there are birth data of twins where a few

> > mins might change a lot of things......

> >

> > Interesting eh !!

> >

> > May His Soul rest in Peace.

> >

> > Ash

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagdish,

> > > I have seen u ask about charts of famous people, I think even

in

> > > earlier posts you had asked similar thing.

> > > There is no harm in that, but when people are famous and those

> in

> > > India who know the power of Jyotish shastra, sometimes give

> > > misleading information.

> > > Now, please do not get me wrong, maybe this data given by you

is

> > > cent per cent authentic then no harm in going deeper. If it

is

> > not

> > > then ? How do u decide and confirm that this data is

authentic

> or

> > > not?

> > > There are so many needy people that would love to receive some

> > help

> > > regarding their charts who might give u authentic information

> and

> > > share data which can also facilitate your learning process.

> > >

> > > If you want to take such famous charts, then get about 20

solid

> > > events and then study and match each and every event with the

> time

> > > and see if all matches. Then u can venture into future

> prediction

> > > if u find that all events are matching or coming close.

> > >

> > > For your information, I have seen many astrologers debate if

> 1949

> > is

> > > the birth year or is it 1948. Is the time 21:00 or 21:21. Is

> the

> > > place of birth Hyderabad or Mehabubnagar. Each of the three

> DoB,

> > > ToB and PoB are in question.

> > >

> > > If you have time and if u have a good number of solid and

> > verifiable

> > > events then feel free to go ahead, use KAS, verify events and

> > > predict future events. Such an effort and exercise will help

u

> in

> > > the long run.

> > >

> > > Also for other famous people too like politicians, actors,

> > > actresses, industrialists, sports personalities etc. These

> charts

> > > can reveal a lot provided one has the right birth details.

> > >

> > > Otherwise, our Jyotish Shastra merely becomes a guessing

game.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , Prathamesn

> Chawan

> > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir Ash and other members

> > > >

> > > > Would you like to throw some light on Mr P. Mahajan's

chart ?

> > > >

> > > > October 30, 1948

> > > > Time: 9:21:00 pm

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 "

> > > > Hyderabad, India

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I got the details from other group.

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > Jagdish

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone

> calls.

> > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Ash, List members

 

Ash, thanks a lot for your reply.

As per Jagannatha hora 7.0 version - a software available on the net,

offered by SJC group, a vedic astrology group, I am getting different lagnas.

for 5.08 and 5.10 am timings. 5.08=vrischika, 5.10= Dhanur.

But I am not sure why it differs.

 

I appreciate your guidance and reference to the other URL sites for

rectification methods. I will look into the sites given by you, and work on my

data for confirmation. Perhaps due to lack of confidence, I am looking for

endorsement from others as my exposure to astrology is pretty recent/limited.

Hopefully I can get over the mental block slowly. But I do understand other

people's time constraints also, as this could be a hobby for many in addition to

their regular jobs.

 

Thanks Ash, this is Aruna, you helped me with info. to download KAS lessons

earlier also, but I did not say my name in this mail as I was asking people to

verify if the chart belongs to male or female.

 

Thanks again for the continued support on this site , and I like to thank

Krushnaji also for fecilitating this for all of us by sharing his knowledge.

Sharing of knowledge with every one is a greatest blessing of all, and only a

very few blessed people get that oportunity and utilize it.

 

Regards,

Aruna

 

" In every seed is the promise of thousands of forests. But the seed must not

be hoarded; it must give its intelligence to the fertile ground.Through its

giving, the unseen energy flows into material manifestation. The more you give

, the more you will receive, because you will keep the abundance of the universe

circulating in your life "

 

" The lamps are different, but the light is the same; it comes from behind "

- Jalaludin Rumi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear as T and List Members,

 

One thing I forgot to add which I am adding here in, is that

 

If ever my predictions do come right, ALL the credit goes to My

Teacher and Guide, Krushnaji without whos guidance, helping,

teaching and having lots patience to keep answering my questions.

If I make any mistake its only due to my lack of knowledge or if I

have overlooked some laws or some aspect and those are all MY fault

and not of KAS.

 

Krushnaji, if you are reading this, My Pranams and Thanks to you Sir.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear as T,

> Have you by any chance had a chance to read some of the archives.

> So many charts have been solved blindly.

>

> Krushnaji, himself has rectified charts on this list and made

future

> predictions. There have also been people on list who have

confirmed

> their birth time and have given events, and in 1 instance I have

> seen krushnaji pick up a chart and tell that person, that he is

> taking that chart as an example, as None of the events that he

gave

> matched the facts. He not only rectified the time but made a

future

> prediction that in i think it was 7 montsh time he would have a

> conception. The gentleman did come back on list and reply that

the

> event came true and his wife and he did conceive.

>

> Then you can check starting from message 519. Chart of Richard

> Houck was discussed at length, between Krushnaji, Donna and others.

>

> Another thing, I may err, and I am only human and I for one have

> never claimed that my predictions are right. I have always shared

> my observations on the lines of KAS and helped others who are keen

> on learning KAS and shared with them what so ever I have learnt.

>

> As per your chart, with 5:08 and 5:10 the lagna remains

> Sagittarius. I am not clear on why you are getting the lagna

> changing.

>

> With 5:08 birth time here are the degrees

>

> As 0 Sg 39

> Su 21 Sg 1

> Mo 2 Le 45

> Ma 10 Aq 50

> Me 3 Sg 56

> JuR 18 Ar 40

> Ve 6 Aq 0

> Sa 4 Li 5

> Ra 21 Cp 37

> Ke 21 Cn 37

>

>

> With 5:10 here are the degrees

>

> As 1 Sg 7

> Su 21 Sg 1

> Mo 2 Le 46

> Ma 10 Aq 50

> Me 3 Sg 56

> JuR 18 Ar 40

> Ve 6 Aq 0

> Sa 4 Li 5

> Ra 21 Cp 37

> Ke 21 Cn 37

>

> It would be better if you can download the lessons, and KAS2006 WS

> Program and cast your chart in it. That way we will all be on the

> same page.

> Then make a try and see which lagna suits better. If you have any

> doubts, I can try to help you with the knowledge I have.

>

> I do not have time to do such exhaustive analysis of rectification

> given the fact that I have a full time job and a family and

jyotish

> is my hobby and not my profession.

>

> I hope you can understand.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , as T <ast77us@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Ascertaining the proper birth time is critical for right

> prediction true, but why is that when we have of personal events

to

> verify and cross check also, we fail?

> >

> > Are we missing here some important elements in the

rectification

> process or do we need to learn/understand more, or is it because

> rectification needs a lot of practice/ experience/ diligence and

if

> they are missing it is easy to err?

> >

> > So my question is - whether or not the events like date of

> marriage or college graduation, or foreign trips and stays, birth

of

> a child /surgeries etc etc can accurately determine the time of

> birth? Even in cases where the lagna changes with in few minutes?

> >

> > You also mentioned that practice makes us perfect. So for my

> learning and as well as for others, I would like to share my date

of

> birth, then people can predict the events, dates and confirm with

my

> data. Can I present my self as the walking talking guinea pig to

> offer my data for discussion? In my case, I have the correct date

> and place of birth info. , but the time is not very accurate, as

the

> lagna changes with in 2, 3 minutes of 5.08 am birth time. The

lagna

> can be confirmed after checking the dates of events that people

come

> up with. So, can I request the learners and the other learned men,

> to attempt my case and tell me the following info.,

> >

> > The following events can be identified with correct dates for

> dhanur and sagittarius lagna

> >

> > Whether I am male or female.

> > my physical characteristics/attributes, Saggi VS scorpio

> > my date of marriage and

> > Birth of children, possibly as to how many, male, female?

> > Note-worthy events

> > Geographical/ physical moves.

> > Theft date, place, and time, where it was stolen from?

> > date I lost my father.

> > I will give you a hint, the marriage took place in late 70's

(

> bet. 75-79). I had few trans-continental moves, one was in sept

77,

> late 80's, two in early to mid 90's another in late 90's, and I

> traveled very widely. (saw 30 countries in the world) Mine can

> either be scorpio lagna or sagittarius. Another hint I can give

you

> is, I lost lot of things in a theft in 2000's. Our passports,

cash,

> our jewelry and all our clothes etc, and we (my spouse and I) were

> left with the clothes we were wearing at the time in a strange

city.

> (Very traumatic) someone can be an astrological genius if they

can

> pinpoint the date of loss, where and when, and whether I found my

> things or not. {Well someone can be a double genius if they can

tell

> me who stole it, and the person's address? } That was a very

> substantial loss for us, and I am sure it would reflect some

where

> in my chart , as we have to do lot of running around to file the

> police complaints, and re-establishing our identity

> > again to get the passports, visas, our travel tickets etc.

> Another tragic event that occurred is loss my father in early 2001.

> >

> > Now the reason for asking to come up with the dates of these

> events, as opposed to me providing the dates is quite obvious

here,

> as some of us might feel we may try to justify the events after we

> know that they have occurred on that particular date, as opposed

to

> coming up with events/ date and time based on the natal, transit

> chart. Since they were destined/determined events, we should be

able

> identify/ narrow down these dates based on the astrological

> principles. It is a real test to the knowledge.

> >

> > This is a sort of a puzzle for birth rectification principles,

> (but you are also helping me indirectly by confirming my DOB,

while

> you are learning or sharing or whatever you are doing, so thanks

in

> advance for that)

> >

> > Here one may be looking at both lagnas, to note down the dates

> of events. So please mention the dates and lagna separately, and

> then I can confirm them based on the actual occurrences.

> >

> > This may be for serious learners who want to attempt and

perfect

> their rectification methods, and as well for those who mastered

> astrology and have a large heart to share their techniques/logic

of

> using rectification methods, as rectification methods are crucial

> for predictions. So I thank both the groups. But in case, I

upset

> (?) any one in-between for reasons beyond my comprehension, my

> apologies to them also in advance .

> > My DOB jan 4th 1953

> > Time 5.08 am 0r 5.10 am

> > Place: Madras

> > Thank you

> > ( I am not signing my name yet)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> >

> > " I always say, and you can find in so many mails, is first u

first

> be

> > comfortable with the birth data given and match the events if in

> > line. It is also written down in the introductory page when you

> log

> > on to the list. Make sure the events are mathing. Now this is

a

> > labourious job and tedious. "

> >

> > Yes, in doing so u can practice and get the technique right.

> Slowly

> > slowly one gets confidence. There is no substitue for hard work

> and

> > experience.

> >

> > This is no matter what system you use or what technique.

> >

> > We are just trying to follow that here.

> >

> > If birth data is wrong, everything goes wrong.

> >

> > I hope you get the point what I am driving at.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , Prathamesn

Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir Ash

> > >

> > > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of Pt. Sanjay Rath

> on

> > Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is critical for

him

> > but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's horoscope was

discussed

> on

> > all the astrology group.

> > >

> > > Some asked Pt. Sanjay Rath Ji that how are you sure about

his

> > birth details and he said that his family members told him.

> > >

> > > Now all the astrologers predicted that he will survive but

> after

> > struggle. Noone said that he will die.

> > >

> > > But he passes away.

> > >

> > > I have seen it many many times that when it comes to

> predicting

> > the future and in that predicting critical situation then many

> many

> > astrologers fail (including Pt. K. N. Rao). While any astrologer

> can

> > verify past with the help of astrology.

> > >

> > > Just two days ago, Pt. Sanjay Rath gave lecture that why he

> > survived. He showed many reasons for his survival. What happened

> to

> > his reasons ?

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ramesh and Jagdish,

> > > From what I read from www.timesofindia.com

> > >

> > > " Senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan died at Mumbai's Hinduja

> > Hospital

> > > on Wednesday afternoon. He was 56. Mahajan had been shot by

his

> > > younger brother on April 22. "

> > >

> > > The age given by Times Of India is 56 years. So technically

his

> > > year of birth should be 1950.

> > >

> > > So now we have 3 different years of birth floating around viz-

a-

> > viz

> > > 1948, 1949 and 1950.

> > >

> > > Then on the other hand there are birth data of twins where a

few

> > > mins might change a lot of things......

> > >

> > > Interesting eh !!

> > >

> > > May His Soul rest in Peace.

> > >

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jagdish,

> > > > I have seen u ask about charts of famous people, I think

even

> in

> > > > earlier posts you had asked similar thing.

> > > > There is no harm in that, but when people are famous and

those

> > in

> > > > India who know the power of Jyotish shastra, sometimes give

> > > > misleading information.

> > > > Now, please do not get me wrong, maybe this data given by

you

> is

> > > > cent per cent authentic then no harm in going deeper. If it

> is

> > > not

> > > > then ? How do u decide and confirm that this data is

> authentic

> > or

> > > > not?

> > > > There are so many needy people that would love to receive

some

> > > help

> > > > regarding their charts who might give u authentic

information

> > and

> > > > share data which can also facilitate your learning process.

> > > >

> > > > If you want to take such famous charts, then get about 20

> solid

> > > > events and then study and match each and every event with

the

> > time

> > > > and see if all matches. Then u can venture into future

> > prediction

> > > > if u find that all events are matching or coming close.

> > > >

> > > > For your information, I have seen many astrologers debate if

> > 1949

> > > is

> > > > the birth year or is it 1948. Is the time 21:00 or 21:21.

Is

> > the

> > > > place of birth Hyderabad or Mehabubnagar. Each of the three

> > DoB,

> > > > ToB and PoB are in question.

> > > >

> > > > If you have time and if u have a good number of solid and

> > > verifiable

> > > > events then feel free to go ahead, use KAS, verify events

and

> > > > predict future events. Such an effort and exercise will

help

> u

> > in

> > > > the long run.

> > > >

> > > > Also for other famous people too like politicians, actors,

> > > > actresses, industrialists, sports personalities etc. These

> > charts

> > > > can reveal a lot provided one has the right birth details.

> > > >

> > > > Otherwise, our Jyotish Shastra merely becomes a guessing

> game.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , Prathamesn

> > Chawan

> > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir Ash and other members

> > > > >

> > > > > Would you like to throw some light on Mr P. Mahajan's

> chart ?

> > > > >

> > > > > October 30, 1948

> > > > > Time: 9:21:00 pm

> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 "

> > > > > Hyderabad, India

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I got the details from other group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > Jagdish

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone

> > calls.

> > > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes Deepak,

You are right it is female.

Thanks,

Aruna

 

Deepak Chipalkatti <deepakchipalkatti wrote:

is the chart of a female, considering dhanu lagna.

lagna rashi+ravi rashi+guru rashi +rahu

rashi----devided by 3 balance remains 2, hence female.

for 0and one, male chart--this works upto sixty

percent.

regards,

deepak

--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

 

> , as

> T <ast77us

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Ascertaining the proper birth time is critical

> for right

> prediction true, but why is that when we have of

> personal events to

> verify and cross check also, we fail?

> >

> > Are we missing here some important elements in

> the rectification

> process or do we need to learn/understand more, or

> is it because

> rectification needs a lot of practice/ experience/

> diligence and if

> they are missing it is easy to err?

> >

> > So my question is - whether or not the events

> like date of

> marriage or college graduation, or foreign trips and

> stays, birth of

> a child /surgeries etc etc can accurately determine

> the time of

> birth? Even in cases where the lagna changes with in

> few minutes?

> >

> > You also mentioned that practice makes us

> perfect. So for my

> learning and as well as for others, I would like to

> share my date of

> birth, then people can predict the events, dates and

> confirm with my

> data. Can I present my self as the walking talking

> guinea pig to

> offer my data for discussion? In my case, I have the

> correct date

> and place of birth info. , but the time is not very

> accurate, as the

> lagna changes with in 2, 3 minutes of 5.08 am birth

> time. The lagna

> can be confirmed after checking the dates of events

> that people come

> up with. So, can I request the learners and the

> other learned men,

> to attempt my case and tell me the following info.,

> >

> > The following events can be identified with

> correct dates for

> dhanur and sagittarius lagna

> >

> > Whether I am male or female.

> > my physical characteristics/attributes, Saggi

> VS scorpio

> > my date of marriage and

> > Birth of children, possibly as to how many,

> male, female?

> > Note-worthy events

> > Geographical/ physical moves.

> > Theft date, place, and time, where it was

> stolen from?

> > date I lost my father.

> > I will give you a hint, the marriage took place

> in late 70's (

> bet. 75-79). I had few trans-continental moves, one

> was in sept 77,

> late 80's, two in early to mid 90's another in late

> 90's, and I

> traveled very widely. (saw 30 countries in the

> world) Mine can

> either be scorpio lagna or sagittarius. Another hint

> I can give you

> is, I lost lot of things in a theft in 2000's. Our

> passports, cash,

> our jewelry and all our clothes etc, and we (my

> spouse and I) were

> left with the clothes we were wearing at the time in

> a strange city.

> (Very traumatic) someone can be an astrological

> genius if they can

> pinpoint the date of loss, where and when, and

> whether I found my

> things or not. {Well someone can be a double genius

> if they can tell

> me who stole it, and the person's address? } That

> was a very

> substantial loss for us, and I am sure it would

> reflect some where

> in my chart , as we have to do lot of running around

> to file the

> police complaints, and re-establishing our identity

> > again to get the passports, visas, our travel

> tickets etc.

> Another tragic event that occurred is loss my father

> in early 2001.

> >

> > Now the reason for asking to come up with the

> dates of these

> events, as opposed to me providing the dates is

> quite obvious here,

> as some of us might feel we may try to justify the

> events after we

> know that they have occurred on that particular

> date, as opposed to

> coming up with events/ date and time based on the

> natal, transit

> chart. Since they were destined/determined events,

> we should be able

> identify/ narrow down these dates based on the

> astrological

> principles. It is a real test to the knowledge.

> >

> > This is a sort of a puzzle for birth

> rectification principles,

> (but you are also helping me indirectly by

> confirming my DOB, while

> you are learning or sharing or whatever you are

> doing, so thanks in

> advance for that)

> >

> > Here one may be looking at both lagnas, to note

> down the dates

> of events. So please mention the dates and lagna

> separately, and

> then I can confirm them based on the actual

> occurrences.

> >

> > This may be for serious learners who want to

> attempt and perfect

> their rectification methods, and as well for those

> who mastered

> astrology and have a large heart to share their

> techniques/logic of

> using rectification methods, as rectification

> methods are crucial

> for predictions. So I thank both the groups. But

> in case, I upset

> (?) any one in-between for reasons beyond my

> comprehension, my

> apologies to them also in advance .

> > My DOB jan 4th 1953

> > Time 5.08 am 0r 5.10 am

> > Place: Madras

> > Thank you

> > ( I am not signing my name yet)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> >

> > " I always say, and you can find in so many mails,

> is first u first

> be

> > comfortable with the birth data given and match

> the events if in

> > line. It is also written down in the introductory

> page when you

> log

> > on to the list. Make sure the events are mathing.

> Now this is a

> > labourious job and tedious. "

> >

> > Yes, in doing so u can practice and get the

> technique right.

> Slowly

> > slowly one gets confidence. There is no substitue

> for hard work

> and

> > experience.

> >

> > This is no matter what system you use or what

> technique.

> >

> > We are just trying to follow that here.

> >

> > If birth data is wrong, everything goes wrong.

> >

> > I hope you get the point what I am driving at.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > ,

> Prathamesn Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir Ash

> > >

> > > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of

> Pt. Sanjay Rath

> on

> > Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is

> critical for him

> > but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's

> horoscope was discussed

> on

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Aruna,

Ah, yes, I remember. I had done your chart in some detail back in

nov 2005 or so. Also some prediction was made. Whatever came of

it.

 

/message/9374

 

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, as T <ast77us

wrote:

>

> Dear Ash, List members

>

> Ash, thanks a lot for your reply.

> As per Jagannatha hora 7.0 version - a software available on

the net, offered by SJC group, a vedic astrology group, I am

getting different lagnas.

> for 5.08 and 5.10 am timings. 5.08=vrischika, 5.10= Dhanur.

> But I am not sure why it differs.

>

> I appreciate your guidance and reference to the other URL sites

for rectification methods. I will look into the sites given by you,

and work on my data for confirmation. Perhaps due to lack of

confidence, I am looking for endorsement from others as my exposure

to astrology is pretty recent/limited. Hopefully I can get over the

mental block slowly. But I do understand other people's time

constraints also, as this could be a hobby for many in addition to

their regular jobs.

>

> Thanks Ash, this is Aruna, you helped me with info. to download

KAS lessons earlier also, but I did not say my name in this mail as

I was asking people to verify if the chart belongs to male or female.

>

> Thanks again for the continued support on this site , and I like

to thank Krushnaji also for fecilitating this for all of us by

sharing his knowledge. Sharing of knowledge with every one is a

greatest blessing of all, and only a very few blessed people get

that oportunity and utilize it.

>

> Regards,

> Aruna

>

> " In every seed is the promise of thousands of forests. But the

seed must not be hoarded; it must give its intelligence to the

fertile ground.Through its giving, the unseen energy flows into

material manifestation. The more you give , the more you will

receive, because you will keep the abundance of the universe

circulating in your life "

>

> " The lamps are different, but the light is the same; it comes

from behind "

> - Jalaludin Rumi

>

>

>

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear as T and List Members,

>

> One thing I forgot to add which I am adding here in, is that

>

> If ever my predictions do come right, ALL the credit goes to My

> Teacher and Guide, Krushnaji without whos guidance, helping,

> teaching and having lots patience to keep answering my questions.

> If I make any mistake its only due to my lack of knowledge or if I

> have overlooked some laws or some aspect and those are all MY

fault

> and not of KAS.

>

> Krushnaji, if you are reading this, My Pranams and Thanks to you

Sir.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear as T,

> > Have you by any chance had a chance to read some of the

archives.

> > So many charts have been solved blindly.

> >

> > Krushnaji, himself has rectified charts on this list and made

> future

> > predictions. There have also been people on list who have

> confirmed

> > their birth time and have given events, and in 1 instance I have

> > seen krushnaji pick up a chart and tell that person, that he is

> > taking that chart as an example, as None of the events that he

> gave

> > matched the facts. He not only rectified the time but made a

> future

> > prediction that in i think it was 7 montsh time he would have a

> > conception. The gentleman did come back on list and reply that

> the

> > event came true and his wife and he did conceive.

> >

> > Then you can check starting from message 519. Chart of Richard

> > Houck was discussed at length, between Krushnaji, Donna and

others.

> >

> > Another thing, I may err, and I am only human and I for one have

> > never claimed that my predictions are right. I have always

shared

> > my observations on the lines of KAS and helped others who are

keen

> > on learning KAS and shared with them what so ever I have learnt.

> >

> > As per your chart, with 5:08 and 5:10 the lagna remains

> > Sagittarius. I am not clear on why you are getting the lagna

> > changing.

> >

> > With 5:08 birth time here are the degrees

> >

> > As 0 Sg 39

> > Su 21 Sg 1

> > Mo 2 Le 45

> > Ma 10 Aq 50

> > Me 3 Sg 56

> > JuR 18 Ar 40

> > Ve 6 Aq 0

> > Sa 4 Li 5

> > Ra 21 Cp 37

> > Ke 21 Cn 37

> >

> >

> > With 5:10 here are the degrees

> >

> > As 1 Sg 7

> > Su 21 Sg 1

> > Mo 2 Le 46

> > Ma 10 Aq 50

> > Me 3 Sg 56

> > JuR 18 Ar 40

> > Ve 6 Aq 0

> > Sa 4 Li 5

> > Ra 21 Cp 37

> > Ke 21 Cn 37

> >

> > It would be better if you can download the lessons, and KAS2006

WS

> > Program and cast your chart in it. That way we will all be on

the

> > same page.

> > Then make a try and see which lagna suits better. If you have

any

> > doubts, I can try to help you with the knowledge I have.

> >

> > I do not have time to do such exhaustive analysis of

rectification

> > given the fact that I have a full time job and a family and

> jyotish

> > is my hobby and not my profession.

> >

> > I hope you can understand.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> > , as T <ast77us@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Ascertaining the proper birth time is critical for right

> > prediction true, but why is that when we have of personal events

> to

> > verify and cross check also, we fail?

> > >

> > > Are we missing here some important elements in the

> rectification

> > process or do we need to learn/understand more, or is it

because

> > rectification needs a lot of practice/ experience/ diligence and

> if

> > they are missing it is easy to err?

> > >

> > > So my question is - whether or not the events like date of

> > marriage or college graduation, or foreign trips and stays,

birth

> of

> > a child /surgeries etc etc can accurately determine the time of

> > birth? Even in cases where the lagna changes with in few

minutes?

> > >

> > > You also mentioned that practice makes us perfect. So for my

> > learning and as well as for others, I would like to share my

date

> of

> > birth, then people can predict the events, dates and confirm

with

> my

> > data. Can I present my self as the walking talking guinea pig to

> > offer my data for discussion? In my case, I have the correct

date

> > and place of birth info. , but the time is not very accurate, as

> the

> > lagna changes with in 2, 3 minutes of 5.08 am birth time. The

> lagna

> > can be confirmed after checking the dates of events that people

> come

> > up with. So, can I request the learners and the other learned

men,

> > to attempt my case and tell me the following info.,

> > >

> > > The following events can be identified with correct dates

for

> > dhanur and sagittarius lagna

> > >

> > > Whether I am male or female.

> > > my physical characteristics/attributes, Saggi VS scorpio

> > > my date of marriage and

> > > Birth of children, possibly as to how many, male,

female?

> > > Note-worthy events

> > > Geographical/ physical moves.

> > > Theft date, place, and time, where it was stolen from?

> > > date I lost my father.

> > > I will give you a hint, the marriage took place in late

70's

> (

> > bet. 75-79). I had few trans-continental moves, one was in sept

> 77,

> > late 80's, two in early to mid 90's another in late 90's, and I

> > traveled very widely. (saw 30 countries in the world) Mine can

> > either be scorpio lagna or sagittarius. Another hint I can give

> you

> > is, I lost lot of things in a theft in 2000's. Our passports,

> cash,

> > our jewelry and all our clothes etc, and we (my spouse and I)

were

> > left with the clothes we were wearing at the time in a strange

> city.

> > (Very traumatic) someone can be an astrological genius if they

> can

> > pinpoint the date of loss, where and when, and whether I found

my

> > things or not. {Well someone can be a double genius if they can

> tell

> > me who stole it, and the person's address? } That was a very

> > substantial loss for us, and I am sure it would reflect some

> where

> > in my chart , as we have to do lot of running around to file the

> > police complaints, and re-establishing our identity

> > > again to get the passports, visas, our travel tickets etc.

> > Another tragic event that occurred is loss my father in early

2001.

> > >

> > > Now the reason for asking to come up with the dates of these

> > events, as opposed to me providing the dates is quite obvious

> here,

> > as some of us might feel we may try to justify the events after

we

> > know that they have occurred on that particular date, as opposed

> to

> > coming up with events/ date and time based on the natal, transit

> > chart. Since they were destined/determined events, we should be

> able

> > identify/ narrow down these dates based on the astrological

> > principles. It is a real test to the knowledge.

> > >

> > > This is a sort of a puzzle for birth rectification

principles,

> > (but you are also helping me indirectly by confirming my DOB,

> while

> > you are learning or sharing or whatever you are doing, so thanks

> in

> > advance for that)

> > >

> > > Here one may be looking at both lagnas, to note down the

dates

> > of events. So please mention the dates and lagna separately,

and

> > then I can confirm them based on the actual occurrences.

> > >

> > > This may be for serious learners who want to attempt and

> perfect

> > their rectification methods, and as well for those who mastered

> > astrology and have a large heart to share their techniques/logic

> of

> > using rectification methods, as rectification methods are

crucial

> > for predictions. So I thank both the groups. But in case, I

> upset

> > (?) any one in-between for reasons beyond my comprehension, my

> > apologies to them also in advance .

> > > My DOB jan 4th 1953

> > > Time 5.08 am 0r 5.10 am

> > > Place: Madras

> > > Thank you

> > > ( I am not signing my name yet)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " I always say, and you can find in so many mails, is first u

> first

> > be

> > > comfortable with the birth data given and match the events if

in

> > > line. It is also written down in the introductory page when

you

> > log

> > > on to the list. Make sure the events are mathing. Now this

is

> a

> > > labourious job and tedious. "

> > >

> > > Yes, in doing so u can practice and get the technique right.

> > Slowly

> > > slowly one gets confidence. There is no substitue for hard

work

> > and

> > > experience.

> > >

> > > This is no matter what system you use or what technique.

> > >

> > > We are just trying to follow that here.

> > >

> > > If birth data is wrong, everything goes wrong.

> > >

> > > I hope you get the point what I am driving at.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , Prathamesn

> Chawan

> > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir Ash

> > > >

> > > > Just few days ago i was listening lecture of Pt. Sanjay

Rath

> > on

> > > Pramod Mahajan. He said firmly that situation is critical for

> him

> > > but he will survive. Mr. Pramod Mahajan's horoscope was

> discussed

> > on

> > > all the astrology group.

> > > >

> > > > Some asked Pt. Sanjay Rath Ji that how are you sure about

> his

> > > birth details and he said that his family members told him.

> > > >

> > > > Now all the astrologers predicted that he will survive but

> > after

> > > struggle. Noone said that he will die.

> > > >

> > > > But he passes away.

> > > >

> > > > I have seen it many many times that when it comes to

> > predicting

> > > the future and in that predicting critical situation then many

> > many

> > > astrologers fail (including Pt. K. N. Rao). While any

astrologer

> > can

> > > verify past with the help of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Just two days ago, Pt. Sanjay Rath gave lecture that why

he

> > > survived. He showed many reasons for his survival. What

happened

> > to

> > > his reasons ?

> > > >

> > > > Jagdish

> > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ramesh and Jagdish,

> > > > From what I read from www.timesofindia.com

> > > >

> > > > " Senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan died at Mumbai's Hinduja

> > > Hospital

> > > > on Wednesday afternoon. He was 56. Mahajan had been shot by

> his

> > > > younger brother on April 22. "

> > > >

> > > > The age given by Times Of India is 56 years. So technically

> his

> > > > year of birth should be 1950.

> > > >

> > > > So now we have 3 different years of birth floating around

viz-

> a-

> > > viz

> > > > 1948, 1949 and 1950.

> > > >

> > > > Then on the other hand there are birth data of twins where a

> few

> > > > mins might change a lot of things......

> > > >

> > > > Interesting eh !!

> > > >

> > > > May His Soul rest in Peace.

> > > >

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jagdish,

> > > > > I have seen u ask about charts of famous people, I think

> even

> > in

> > > > > earlier posts you had asked similar thing.

> > > > > There is no harm in that, but when people are famous and

> those

> > > in

> > > > > India who know the power of Jyotish shastra, sometimes

give

> > > > > misleading information.

> > > > > Now, please do not get me wrong, maybe this data given by

> you

> > is

> > > > > cent per cent authentic then no harm in going deeper. If

it

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > then ? How do u decide and confirm that this data is

> > authentic

> > > or

> > > > > not?

> > > > > There are so many needy people that would love to receive

> some

> > > > help

> > > > > regarding their charts who might give u authentic

> information

> > > and

> > > > > share data which can also facilitate your learning process.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you want to take such famous charts, then get about 20

> > solid

> > > > > events and then study and match each and every event with

> the

> > > time

> > > > > and see if all matches. Then u can venture into future

> > > prediction

> > > > > if u find that all events are matching or coming close.

> > > > >

> > > > > For your information, I have seen many astrologers debate

if

> > > 1949

> > > > is

> > > > > the birth year or is it 1948. Is the time 21:00 or

21:21.

> Is

> > > the

> > > > > place of birth Hyderabad or Mehabubnagar. Each of the

three

> > > DoB,

> > > > > ToB and PoB are in question.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have time and if u have a good number of solid and

> > > > verifiable

> > > > > events then feel free to go ahead, use KAS, verify events

> and

> > > > > predict future events. Such an effort and exercise will

> help

> > u

> > > in

> > > > > the long run.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also for other famous people too like politicians, actors,

> > > > > actresses, industrialists, sports personalities etc.

These

> > > charts

> > > > > can reveal a lot provided one has the right birth details.

> > > > >

> > > > > Otherwise, our Jyotish Shastra merely becomes a guessing

> > game.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

Prathamesn

> > > Chawan

> > > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Sir Ash and other members

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would you like to throw some light on Mr P. Mahajan's

> > chart ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > October 30, 1948

> > > > > > Time: 9:21:00 pm

> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 "

> > > > > > Hyderabad, India

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I got the details from other group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jagdish

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > calls.

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >