Time Marriage and child Birth-NS/Harjeet

May 12, 2006

good discussion NS and Harjeet. Here is the explanation (I had doubt

too and I asked Krishna ji).

First, we must check the 1st and 9th lords in rasi. what is their

position? are they in favourable relationship(in rasi and navamsa)?

If they are not then 66% of the scenario is not in favour. Now if

navamsa 1st lord and navamsa 9th lord are in 5:9 then there will

some reduction in delay (33% help). BUT again, if the 9th lord is

jupiter and is in saturn nakshatra. rasi libra etc, then the delay

may not be reduced at all.

THEN, most importantly, navamsa chart changes rapidly, so not always

we can depend on the navamsa chart based on the given birth time, so

we must check other events. Here in this case, take the given birth

time (for now) as the real birth time.

--Manoshi

, " harjeet_bakshi "

<harjeet_bakshi wrote:

>

> if navamsa lagna lord and navamsa 9th lord in 5:9 negates delay..

> antra of mercury jul-1975 to feb-1978 would be a good time as its

the

> lord of E and second strongest significator with 16 points.

> i would wait for the answer on monday now.

> thanks/regards

> harjeet

>

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> >

> > If i understand it correclty Ashji just pointed out the navamsa

lord

> > and 9th navamsa lord are in trine cancels delay...

> > for the query native also has this combination...

> > i would cross check and confirm this and reattempt if i get

time..

> > so delay of saturn should be negated.

> > thanks/regards

> > harjeet

> >

> > , " Manoshi

Chatterjee "

> > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > wait for the results NS.

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

> > >

> > > --- In

, " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Any feedback on this analysis, Manoshi?

> > > >

> > > > NS

> > > > --- In

, " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > If moon, then because of full delay, I will pick third

sector -

> > > > from

> > > > > jan 16, 1984 till Jul 17, 1984. During this time, if we

see the

> > > > pdf,

> > > > > the first that can give marriage is saturn and moon - 28

jan

> > > 1984

> > > > > till 9 feb 1984.

> > > > >

> > > > > NS

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If sun did not give marriage, then the next antra is of

Moon

> > > > (with

> > > > > > highest point in H7). If no other planet then Moon must

have

> > > > given

> > > > > > the marriage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NS

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if not venus antra... then i think jupiter delay is to

be

> > > > counted

> > > > > > too ?

> > > > > > > if so.. then add another 24 years...?

> > > > > > > i would rather wait.. or quit rather..

> > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, my attempt in message 11510 was not correct.

Uhm.. so

> > > > you

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > saying that marriage was not in Venus or Sun antra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Will have to go back again,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, " Manoshi

> > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > yes, NS.you are right. so try once more to time

marriage.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

, " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in navamsa is in Libra - becomes weak?

So no

> > > > help

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > in checking the delay?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > will jupiter check delay? if yes why? if not

why?

> > > check

> > > > > > > > > check...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

> > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshiji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I would attempt the chart from the

understanding i

> > > > have

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn aspects lord of A,B and C of rashi in

> > > > navamsa...

> > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > full dealy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter aspects Saturn and also lord of A

and B of

> > > > > rashi

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of adding jupiter dealy(which i am

not

> > > very

> > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > of)..

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > opt that saturn dealy would be modified and

the

> > > > event

> > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the second sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zeores in summary table of

rashi.(i

> > > > guess

> > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered so i didnt look).

> > > > > > > > > > > > (The lords of navamsa arent to be taken so i

wont

> > > go

> > > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1 and 9 of navamsa in 5:9)

> > > > > > > > > > > > The dealy ends around oct 25th 1979.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus antra is going on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is situated with mercury and would act

as

> > > > > samdhari

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > which is the second strongest of

significator and

> > > > also

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > E.

> > > > > > > > > > > > So i would go for the second sector of Venus

for

> > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For child birth.. taking 5th house as B.

Moon is

> > > the

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > second strongest significator i would go for

the

> > > > antra

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > child birth.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > taking 11th as B (for female which i am not

sure

> > > of)

> > > > i

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > the birth of child in venus antra itself the

third

> > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > house E with 7 points and its also its own

sign so

> > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > too. it is the strongest significator for

11th

> > > house

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > worksheet too.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a female chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart is for practice. Use KAS to

time

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (first child). You will find it pretty

simple,

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules. I could not time the sector for

> > > marriage

> > > > > > properly

> > > > > > > > > > > though.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss and learn.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth details:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 27Jun1955

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15Hrs.15Min.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pilibhit-India

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28N38

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 79E48

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 12, 2006

Since there are so many rules for delay and / or lack there of, is

there a list that prioritizes some of these rules. For example, if

D9 lord and 9th lord in D9 are 5:9 position in D9, then there is no

delay. And, if Jupiter is in Libra - no check on delay.

The question is which one of these two rules take precedence. Which

one should we use first?

NS

, " Manoshi Chatterjee "

<khallopapa wrote:

>

> good discussion NS and Harjeet. Here is the explanation (I had

doubt

> too and I asked Krishna ji).

>

> First, we must check the 1st and 9th lords in rasi. what is their

> position? are they in favourable relationship(in rasi and navamsa)?

> If they are not then 66% of the scenario is not in favour. Now if

> navamsa 1st lord and navamsa 9th lord are in 5:9 then there will

> some reduction in delay (33% help). BUT again, if the 9th lord is

> jupiter and is in saturn nakshatra. rasi libra etc, then the delay

> may not be reduced at all.

>

> THEN, most importantly, navamsa chart changes rapidly, so not

always

> we can depend on the navamsa chart based on the given birth time,

so

> we must check other events. Here in this case, take the given birth

> time (for now) as the real birth time.

>

> --Manoshi

>

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> >

> > if navamsa lagna lord and navamsa 9th lord in 5:9 negates delay..

> > antra of mercury jul-1975 to feb-1978 would be a good time as its

> the

> > lord of E and second strongest significator with 16 points.

> > i would wait for the answer on monday now.

> > thanks/regards

> > harjeet

> >

> > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > If i understand it correclty Ashji just pointed out the navamsa

> lord

> > > and 9th navamsa lord are in trine cancels delay...

> > > for the query native also has this combination...

> > > i would cross check and confirm this and reattempt if i get

> time..

> > > so delay of saturn should be negated.

> > > thanks/regards

> > > harjeet

> > >

> > > , " Manoshi

> Chatterjee "

> > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > wait for the results NS.

> > > >

> > > > --Manoshi

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Any feedback on this analysis, Manoshi?

> > > > >

> > > > > NS

> > > > > --- In

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If moon, then because of full delay, I will pick third

> sector -

> > > > > from

> > > > > > jan 16, 1984 till Jul 17, 1984. During this time, if we

> see the

> > > > > pdf,

> > > > > > the first that can give marriage is saturn and moon - 28

> jan

> > > > 1984

> > > > > > till 9 feb 1984.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NS

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If sun did not give marriage, then the next antra is of

> Moon

> > > > > (with

> > > > > > > highest point in H7). If no other planet then Moon

must

> have

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > the marriage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if not venus antra... then i think jupiter delay is

to

> be

> > > > > counted

> > > > > > > too ?

> > > > > > > > if so.. then add another 24 years...?

> > > > > > > > i would rather wait.. or quit rather..

> > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, my attempt in message 11510 was not correct.

> Uhm.. so

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > saying that marriage was not in Venus or Sun antra.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Will have to go back again,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > yes, NS.you are right. so try once more to time

> marriage.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in navamsa is in Libra - becomes weak?

> So no

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > in checking the delay?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > will jupiter check delay? if yes why? if not

> why?

> > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > check...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshiji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would attempt the chart from the

> understanding i

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn aspects lord of A,B and C of rashi

in

> > > > > navamsa...

> > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > full dealy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter aspects Saturn and also lord of A

> and B of

> > > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of adding jupiter dealy(which i am

> not

> > > > very

> > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > of)..

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > opt that saturn dealy would be modified

and

> the

> > > > > event

> > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the second sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zeores in summary table of

> rashi.(i

> > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered so i didnt look).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (The lords of navamsa arent to be taken so

i

> wont

> > > > go

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 and 9 of navamsa in 5:9)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The dealy ends around oct 25th 1979.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus antra is going on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is situated with mercury and would

act

> as

> > > > > > samdhari

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the second strongest of

> significator and

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > E.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So i would go for the second sector of

Venus

> for

> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > For child birth.. taking 5th house as B.

> Moon is

> > > > the

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > second strongest significator i would go

for

> the

> > > > > antra

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > child birth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > taking 11th as B (for female which i am not

> sure

> > > > of)

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the birth of child in venus antra itself

the

> third

> > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house E with 7 points and its also its own

> sign so

> > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > too. it is the strongest significator for

> 11th

> > > > house

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a female chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart is for practice. Use KAS to

> time

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (first child). You will find it pretty

> simple,

> > > > if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules. I could not time the sector for

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > > properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > though.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss and learn.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth details:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 27Jun1955

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15Hrs.15Min.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pilibhit-India

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28N38

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 79E48

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 12, 2006

i think here jupiter is one of the lords of 9th or 1st which is itself

spoilt being in libra.. so cant help being in 5:9 relationship.?

thanks/regards

harjeet

, " nirvana_seeker2 "

<nirvana_seeker2 wrote:

>

> Since there are so many rules for delay and / or lack there of, is

> there a list that prioritizes some of these rules. For example, if

> D9 lord and 9th lord in D9 are 5:9 position in D9, then there is no

> delay. And, if Jupiter is in Libra - no check on delay.

>

> The question is which one of these two rules take precedence. Which

> one should we use first?

>

> NS

>

> , " Manoshi Chatterjee "

> <khallopapa@> wrote:

> >

> > good discussion NS and Harjeet. Here is the explanation (I had

> doubt

> > too and I asked Krishna ji).

> >

> > First, we must check the 1st and 9th lords in rasi. what is their

> > position? are they in favourable relationship(in rasi and navamsa)?

> > If they are not then 66% of the scenario is not in favour. Now if

> > navamsa 1st lord and navamsa 9th lord are in 5:9 then there will

> > some reduction in delay (33% help). BUT again, if the 9th lord is

> > jupiter and is in saturn nakshatra. rasi libra etc, then the delay

> > may not be reduced at all.

> >

> > THEN, most importantly, navamsa chart changes rapidly, so not

> always

> > we can depend on the navamsa chart based on the given birth time,

> so

> > we must check other events. Here in this case, take the given birth

> > time (for now) as the real birth time.

> >

> > --Manoshi

> >

> > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > if navamsa lagna lord and navamsa 9th lord in 5:9 negates delay..

> > > antra of mercury jul-1975 to feb-1978 would be a good time as its

> > the

> > > lord of E and second strongest significator with 16 points.

> > > i would wait for the answer on monday now.

> > > thanks/regards

> > > harjeet

> > >

> > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > If i understand it correclty Ashji just pointed out the navamsa

> > lord

> > > > and 9th navamsa lord are in trine cancels delay...

> > > > for the query native also has this combination...

> > > > i would cross check and confirm this and reattempt if i get

> > time..

> > > > so delay of saturn should be negated.

> > > > thanks/regards

> > > > harjeet

> > > >

> > > > , " Manoshi

> > Chatterjee "

> > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > wait for the results NS.

> > > > >

> > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any feedback on this analysis, Manoshi?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NS

> > > > > > --- In

> > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If moon, then because of full delay, I will pick third

> > sector -

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > jan 16, 1984 till Jul 17, 1984. During this time, if we

> > see the

> > > > > > pdf,

> > > > > > > the first that can give marriage is saturn and moon - 28

> > jan

> > > > > 1984

> > > > > > > till 9 feb 1984.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If sun did not give marriage, then the next antra is of

> > Moon

> > > > > > (with

> > > > > > > > highest point in H7). If no other planet then Moon

> must

> > have

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > the marriage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > if not venus antra... then i think jupiter delay is

> to

> > be

> > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > too ?

> > > > > > > > > if so.. then add another 24 years...?

> > > > > > > > > i would rather wait.. or quit rather..

> > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, my attempt in message 11510 was not correct.

> > Uhm.. so

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > saying that marriage was not in Venus or Sun antra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Will have to go back again,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > yes, NS.you are right. so try once more to time

> > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in navamsa is in Libra - becomes weak?

> > So no

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > in checking the delay?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will jupiter check delay? if yes why? if not

> > why?

> > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > check...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshiji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would attempt the chart from the

> > understanding i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn aspects lord of A,B and C of rashi

> in

> > > > > > navamsa...

> > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > full dealy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter aspects Saturn and also lord of A

> > and B of

> > > > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of adding jupiter dealy(which i am

> > not

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > of)..

> > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > opt that saturn dealy would be modified

> and

> > the

> > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the second sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zeores in summary table of

> > rashi.(i

> > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered so i didnt look).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The lords of navamsa arent to be taken so

> i

> > wont

> > > > > go

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 and 9 of navamsa in 5:9)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dealy ends around oct 25th 1979.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus antra is going on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is situated with mercury and would

> act

> > as

> > > > > > > samdhari

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the second strongest of

> > significator and

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > E.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i would go for the second sector of

> Venus

> > for

> > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For child birth.. taking 5th house as B.

> > Moon is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > second strongest significator i would go

> for

> > the

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > child birth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking 11th as B (for female which i am not

> > sure

> > > > > of)

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the birth of child in venus antra itself

> the

> > third

> > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house E with 7 points and its also its own

> > sign so

> > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. it is the strongest significator for

> > 11th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a female chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart is for practice. Use KAS to

> > time

> > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (first child). You will find it pretty

> > simple,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules. I could not time the sector for

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > though.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss and learn.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth details:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 27Jun1955

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15Hrs.15Min.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pilibhit-India

> >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28N38

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 79E48

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 12, 2006

but again y is jupiter in libra has anything to do with delay?

agreed jupiter in sign of saturn or nakshatra of saturn wont check

delay... as saturn is the karak of delay and obstacles...

its amazingly true that people with jupiter in libra have bad

marriage... i have seen some examples in real and celebrity life too.

but y jupiter in libra causes so ?

is it because as jupiter and venus have opposite natures ? both being

benefic though.. naturally altleast.

it would be good if anyone reading this has jupiter in libra would

tell if its because they expect too much from marriage/partner that

they are dissatisfied for whatsoever ?

from my stupid thinking i assume that jupiter expands the quality of

the house where it is.. here libra is the natural 7th house of

marriage... so does it expands it so much that the person has too much

expectations or it expands the nature of venus too much (owner of libra)?

venus again deosnt give good results in the nakshatra of sun becaue it

gets burnt and its qualities reduced i guess..

in mars area its qualities are turned into lust and desire i guess.

in mula the nakshatra ruled by ketu the natural mokshakarak.. so venus

the planet of enjoyment has no place in the area of ketu ?

as decribed in the lessons venus in saggitarius with more points gives

a moral nature.. becaue venus qualities would be controlled by jupiter

here.. although again increasing and expanding venus traits.. likes to

enjoy a lot but check from jupiter .. moral ethics good.

venus in virgo debilitated even though mercury is its friend ? because

mercury is the karak of thinking(mainly practical thinking)... u cant

enjoy if u think practically i guess ?

lot of other combinations going in my stupid head... most of them

would be wrong... i guess.

often the whole picture is different than pieces..

sorry for all this....

thanks/regards

harjeet

, " nirvana_seeker2 "

<nirvana_seeker2 wrote:

>

> Since there are so many rules for delay and / or lack there of, is

> there a list that prioritizes some of these rules. For example, if

> D9 lord and 9th lord in D9 are 5:9 position in D9, then there is no

> delay. And, if Jupiter is in Libra - no check on delay.

>

> The question is which one of these two rules take precedence. Which

> one should we use first?

>

> NS

>

> , " Manoshi Chatterjee "

> <khallopapa@> wrote:

> >

> > good discussion NS and Harjeet. Here is the explanation (I had

> doubt

> > too and I asked Krishna ji).

> >

> > First, we must check the 1st and 9th lords in rasi. what is their

> > position? are they in favourable relationship(in rasi and navamsa)?

> > If they are not then 66% of the scenario is not in favour. Now if

> > navamsa 1st lord and navamsa 9th lord are in 5:9 then there will

> > some reduction in delay (33% help). BUT again, if the 9th lord is

> > jupiter and is in saturn nakshatra. rasi libra etc, then the delay

> > may not be reduced at all.

> >

> > THEN, most importantly, navamsa chart changes rapidly, so not

> always

> > we can depend on the navamsa chart based on the given birth time,

> so

> > we must check other events. Here in this case, take the given birth

> > time (for now) as the real birth time.

> >

> > --Manoshi

> >

> > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > if navamsa lagna lord and navamsa 9th lord in 5:9 negates delay..

> > > antra of mercury jul-1975 to feb-1978 would be a good time as its

> > the

> > > lord of E and second strongest significator with 16 points.

> > > i would wait for the answer on monday now.

> > > thanks/regards

> > > harjeet

> > >

> > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > If i understand it correclty Ashji just pointed out the navamsa

> > lord

> > > > and 9th navamsa lord are in trine cancels delay...

> > > > for the query native also has this combination...

> > > > i would cross check and confirm this and reattempt if i get

> > time..

> > > > so delay of saturn should be negated.

> > > > thanks/regards

> > > > harjeet

> > > >

> > > > , " Manoshi

> > Chatterjee "

> > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > wait for the results NS.

> > > > >

> > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any feedback on this analysis, Manoshi?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NS

> > > > > > --- In

> > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If moon, then because of full delay, I will pick third

> > sector -

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > jan 16, 1984 till Jul 17, 1984. During this time, if we

> > see the

> > > > > > pdf,

> > > > > > > the first that can give marriage is saturn and moon - 28

> > jan

> > > > > 1984

> > > > > > > till 9 feb 1984.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If sun did not give marriage, then the next antra is of

> > Moon

> > > > > > (with

> > > > > > > > highest point in H7). If no other planet then Moon

> must

> > have

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > the marriage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > if not venus antra... then i think jupiter delay is

> to

> > be

> > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > too ?

> > > > > > > > > if so.. then add another 24 years...?

> > > > > > > > > i would rather wait.. or quit rather..

> > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, my attempt in message 11510 was not correct.

> > Uhm.. so

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > saying that marriage was not in Venus or Sun antra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Will have to go back again,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > yes, NS.you are right. so try once more to time

> > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in navamsa is in Libra - becomes weak?

> > So no

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > in checking the delay?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will jupiter check delay? if yes why? if not

> > why?

> > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > check...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshiji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would attempt the chart from the

> > understanding i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn aspects lord of A,B and C of rashi

> in

> > > > > > navamsa...

> > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > full dealy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter aspects Saturn and also lord of A

> > and B of

> > > > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of adding jupiter dealy(which i am

> > not

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > of)..

> > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > opt that saturn dealy would be modified

> and

> > the

> > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the second sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zeores in summary table of

> > rashi.(i

> > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered so i didnt look).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The lords of navamsa arent to be taken so

> i

> > wont

> > > > > go

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 and 9 of navamsa in 5:9)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dealy ends around oct 25th 1979.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus antra is going on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is situated with mercury and would

> act

> > as

> > > > > > > samdhari

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the second strongest of

> > significator and

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > E.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i would go for the second sector of

> Venus

> > for

> > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For child birth.. taking 5th house as B.

> > Moon is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > second strongest significator i would go

> for

> > the

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > child birth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking 11th as B (for female which i am not

> > sure

> > > > > of)

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the birth of child in venus antra itself

> the

> > third

> > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house E with 7 points and its also its own

> > sign so

> > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. it is the strongest significator for

> > 11th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a female chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart is for practice. Use KAS to

> > time

> > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (first child). You will find it pretty

> > simple,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules. I could not time the sector for

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > though.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss and learn.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth details:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 27Jun1955

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15Hrs.15Min.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pilibhit-India

> >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28N38

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 79E48

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 12, 2006

Dear NS,

Actually the basic rule is what u know and are aware off.

1) If Ju aspects House A or B or their lords in Rasi or Navamsa then

it causes delay.

2) If there is blessing then that is a very special case in which

case, delay may be cancelled.

3) Jupiter if it aspects Shani it checked delay of Shani.

Now, then we come to exceptions.

If Jupiter is itself in sign or navamsa of shani or nakshtra of

shani or spoilt by virtue of being in libra then it looses its power

to check delay of Shani.

Now, if the same jupiter is Guru and involved in blessing then it

may not be effective in bestowing the blessing and curtailing the

delay.

These are exception or if I can say, closely studying the status of

planet which we must do.

So try to apply yourself and the rules given are for guidelines.

All this what I am saying here, took me a long long time to

understand and that too by solving more and more charts. Each chart

is different from the other, but that being said, u are working off

concerete rules.

Those are guidelines.

With more and more practice such things will come naturally to you.

So do not get dissapointed.

The rules are same. Let me summarise them for u

1) Shani is natural delay causing planet. If it aspects ABC House

in Rasi or navamsa then it casues delay or if it aspects lords of

ABC of rAsi in rasi or navamsa then it causes delay.

2) Ju is also a slow moving planet. If it aspects House A or B and

the lords of Rasi in Rasi and navamsa (similar like Shani) then it

causes delay.

3) Guru also has special effect that it can reduce delay if it has

its aspect on Shani if shani is causing delay.

4) Zeros in SAV can also cause delay.

5) Lagna and 9th lords are involved in blessings. If there is a

blessing then that may reduce or remove any delays even if present.

The above are basic guidelines. Each one of it might have

exceptions. For example take point 4.

Zeroes in SAV might casuse delay. 3 zeroes might give no marriage.

Sometimes 2 Zero delays marriage a lot or if 2 zeroes or 1 zero is

thrre, it might give the event of marriage, but it might delay

husband and wife to get together immediately after marriage. So u

can say delays maritial life etc.

Take blessing or point 5. One has to study that closely. Sometimes

there might be a case when Guru/father itself is causing delay or

there maybe as manoshi said depending on status say if Jupiter is

9th lord and Mars is 1st lord and if Jupiter's status is spoilt or

itself might be delay causing then in such a case it might not check

delay. Each one to be studied on case to case basis.

But the most important factor is that u are using the 5 laws above.

Ofcouse there are other laws given in lessons that u can use like

status Venus, Guru etc etc etc.

Ok, I am out of time, I hope u get an idea.

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " nirvana_seeker2 "

<nirvana_seeker2 wrote:

>

> Since there are so many rules for delay and / or lack there of, is

> there a list that prioritizes some of these rules. For example,

if

> D9 lord and 9th lord in D9 are 5:9 position in D9, then there is

no

> delay. And, if Jupiter is in Libra - no check on delay.

>

> The question is which one of these two rules take precedence.

Which

> one should we use first?

>

> NS

>

> , " Manoshi

Chatterjee "

> <khallopapa@> wrote:

> >

> > good discussion NS and Harjeet. Here is the explanation (I had

> doubt

> > too and I asked Krishna ji).

> >

> > First, we must check the 1st and 9th lords in rasi. what is

their

> > position? are they in favourable relationship(in rasi and

navamsa)?

> > If they are not then 66% of the scenario is not in favour. Now

if

> > navamsa 1st lord and navamsa 9th lord are in 5:9 then there will

> > some reduction in delay (33% help). BUT again, if the 9th lord

is

> > jupiter and is in saturn nakshatra. rasi libra etc, then the

delay

> > may not be reduced at all.

> >

> > THEN, most importantly, navamsa chart changes rapidly, so not

> always

> > we can depend on the navamsa chart based on the given birth

time,

> so

> > we must check other events. Here in this case, take the given

birth

> > time (for now) as the real birth time.

> >

> > --Manoshi

> >

> > --- In

, " harjeet_bakshi "

> > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > if navamsa lagna lord and navamsa 9th lord in 5:9 negates

delay..

> > > antra of mercury jul-1975 to feb-1978 would be a good time as

its

> > the

> > > lord of E and second strongest significator with 16 points.

> > > i would wait for the answer on monday now.

> > > thanks/regards

> > > harjeet

> > >

> > > --- In

, " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > If i understand it correclty Ashji just pointed out the

navamsa

> > lord

> > > > and 9th navamsa lord are in trine cancels delay...

> > > > for the query native also has this combination...

> > > > i would cross check and confirm this and reattempt if i get

> > time..

> > > > so delay of saturn should be negated.

> > > > thanks/regards

> > > > harjeet

> > > >

> > > > , " Manoshi

> > Chatterjee "

> > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > wait for the results NS.

> > > > >

> > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any feedback on this analysis, Manoshi?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NS

> > > > > > --- In

> > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If moon, then because of full delay, I will pick third

> > sector -

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > jan 16, 1984 till Jul 17, 1984. During this time, if

we

> > see the

> > > > > > pdf,

> > > > > > > the first that can give marriage is saturn and moon -

28

> > jan

> > > > > 1984

> > > > > > > till 9 feb 1984.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > >

, " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If sun did not give marriage, then the next antra is

of

> > Moon

> > > > > > (with

> > > > > > > > highest point in H7). If no other planet then Moon

> must

> > have

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > the marriage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > if not venus antra... then i think jupiter delay

is

> to

> > be

> > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > too ?

> > > > > > > > > if so.. then add another 24 years...?

> > > > > > > > > i would rather wait.. or quit rather..

> > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

, " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, my attempt in message 11510 was not

correct.

> > Uhm.. so

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > saying that marriage was not in Venus or Sun

antra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Will have to go back again,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > yes, NS.you are right. so try once more to

time

> > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in navamsa is in Libra - becomes

weak?

> > So no

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > in checking the delay?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will jupiter check delay? if yes why? if

not

> > why?

> > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > check...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshiji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would attempt the chart from the

> > understanding i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn aspects lord of A,B and C of

rashi

> in

> > > > > > navamsa...

> > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > full dealy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter aspects Saturn and also lord of

A

> > and B of

> > > > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of adding jupiter dealy(which i

am

> > not

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > of)..

> > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > opt that saturn dealy would be modified

> and

> > the

> > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the second sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zeores in summary table of

> > rashi.(i

> > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered so i didnt look).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The lords of navamsa arent to be taken

so

> i

> > wont

> > > > > go

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 and 9 of navamsa in 5:9)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dealy ends around oct 25th 1979.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus antra is going on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is situated with mercury and would

> act

> > as

> > > > > > > samdhari

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the second strongest of

> > significator and

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > E.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i would go for the second sector of

> Venus

> > for

> > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For child birth.. taking 5th house as B.

> > Moon is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > second strongest significator i would go

> for

> > the

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > child birth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking 11th as B (for female which i am

not

> > sure

> > > > > of)

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the birth of child in venus antra itself

> the

> > third

> > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house E with 7 points and its also its

own

> > sign so

> > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. it is the strongest significator

for

> > 11th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a female chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart is for practice. Use KAS

to

> > time

> > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (first child). You will find it

pretty

> > simple,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules. I could not time the sector

for

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > though.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss and learn.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth details:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 27Jun1955

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15Hrs.15Min.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pilibhit-India

> >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28N38

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 79E48

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 12, 2006

Dear Harjeet, List members,

Sandy from the group did a research on charts of people in US and wrote a

paper on the research.

It is in http://krushna.sageasita.com/

under KAS FAQ.... the name of the file is called

" KAS Final Research Statistics on Marriage/Relationships " .

you will be suprised to see the cases of problems in marriage for Jupiter in

Libra.

Check that out.

Regards

Bala

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May 12, 2006

Thanks Ash.

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear NS,

>

> Actually the basic rule is what u know and are aware off.

>

> 1) If Ju aspects House A or B or their lords in Rasi or Navamsa

then

> it causes delay.

>

> 2) If there is blessing then that is a very special case in which

> case, delay may be cancelled.

>

> 3) Jupiter if it aspects Shani it checked delay of Shani.

>

> Now, then we come to exceptions.

>

> If Jupiter is itself in sign or navamsa of shani or nakshtra of

> shani or spoilt by virtue of being in libra then it looses its

power

> to check delay of Shani.

>

> Now, if the same jupiter is Guru and involved in blessing then it

> may not be effective in bestowing the blessing and curtailing the

> delay.

>

> These are exception or if I can say, closely studying the status of

> planet which we must do.

>

> So try to apply yourself and the rules given are for guidelines.

>

> All this what I am saying here, took me a long long time to

> understand and that too by solving more and more charts. Each

chart

> is different from the other, but that being said, u are working off

> concerete rules.

>

> Those are guidelines.

>

> With more and more practice such things will come naturally to

you.

> So do not get dissapointed.

>

> The rules are same. Let me summarise them for u

>

> 1) Shani is natural delay causing planet. If it aspects ABC House

> in Rasi or navamsa then it casues delay or if it aspects lords of

> ABC of rAsi in rasi or navamsa then it causes delay.

>

> 2) Ju is also a slow moving planet. If it aspects House A or B and

> the lords of Rasi in Rasi and navamsa (similar like Shani) then it

> causes delay.

>

> 3) Guru also has special effect that it can reduce delay if it has

> its aspect on Shani if shani is causing delay.

>

> 4) Zeros in SAV can also cause delay.

>

> 5) Lagna and 9th lords are involved in blessings. If there is a

> blessing then that may reduce or remove any delays even if

present.

>

> The above are basic guidelines. Each one of it might have

> exceptions. For example take point 4.

>

> Zeroes in SAV might casuse delay. 3 zeroes might give no

marriage.

> Sometimes 2 Zero delays marriage a lot or if 2 zeroes or 1 zero is

> thrre, it might give the event of marriage, but it might delay

> husband and wife to get together immediately after marriage. So u

> can say delays maritial life etc.

>

> Take blessing or point 5. One has to study that closely.

Sometimes

> there might be a case when Guru/father itself is causing delay or

> there maybe as manoshi said depending on status say if Jupiter is

> 9th lord and Mars is 1st lord and if Jupiter's status is spoilt or

> itself might be delay causing then in such a case it might not

check

> delay. Each one to be studied on case to case basis.

>

> But the most important factor is that u are using the 5 laws above.

>

> Ofcouse there are other laws given in lessons that u can use like

> status Venus, Guru etc etc etc.

>

> Ok, I am out of time, I hope u get an idea.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> >

> > Since there are so many rules for delay and / or lack there of,

is

> > there a list that prioritizes some of these rules. For example,

> if

> > D9 lord and 9th lord in D9 are 5:9 position in D9, then there is

> no

> > delay. And, if Jupiter is in Libra - no check on delay.

> >

> > The question is which one of these two rules take precedence.

> Which

> > one should we use first?

> >

> > NS

> >

> > , " Manoshi

> Chatterjee "

> > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > good discussion NS and Harjeet. Here is the explanation (I had

> > doubt

> > > too and I asked Krishna ji).

> > >

> > > First, we must check the 1st and 9th lords in rasi. what is

> their

> > > position? are they in favourable relationship(in rasi and

> navamsa)?

> > > If they are not then 66% of the scenario is not in favour. Now

> if

> > > navamsa 1st lord and navamsa 9th lord are in 5:9 then there

will

> > > some reduction in delay (33% help). BUT again, if the 9th lord

> is

> > > jupiter and is in saturn nakshatra. rasi libra etc, then the

> delay

> > > may not be reduced at all.

> > >

> > > THEN, most importantly, navamsa chart changes rapidly, so not

> > always

> > > we can depend on the navamsa chart based on the given birth

> time,

> > so

> > > we must check other events. Here in this case, take the given

> birth

> > > time (for now) as the real birth time.

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > if navamsa lagna lord and navamsa 9th lord in 5:9 negates

> delay..

> > > > antra of mercury jul-1975 to feb-1978 would be a good time as

> its

> > > the

> > > > lord of E and second strongest significator with 16 points.

> > > > i would wait for the answer on monday now.

> > > > thanks/regards

> > > > harjeet

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > If i understand it correclty Ashji just pointed out the

> navamsa

> > > lord

> > > > > and 9th navamsa lord are in trine cancels delay...

> > > > > for the query native also has this combination...

> > > > > i would cross check and confirm this and reattempt if i get

> > > time..

> > > > > so delay of saturn should be negated.

> > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > harjeet

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wait for the results NS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any feedback on this analysis, Manoshi?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If moon, then because of full delay, I will pick

third

> > > sector -

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > jan 16, 1984 till Jul 17, 1984. During this time, if

> we

> > > see the

> > > > > > > pdf,

> > > > > > > > the first that can give marriage is saturn and moon -

> 28

> > > jan

> > > > > > 1984

> > > > > > > > till 9 feb 1984.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If sun did not give marriage, then the next antra

is

> of

> > > Moon

> > > > > > > (with

> > > > > > > > > highest point in H7). If no other planet then Moon

> > must

> > > have

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > the marriage.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

, " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > if not venus antra... then i think jupiter delay

> is

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > > too ?

> > > > > > > > > > if so.. then add another 24 years...?

> > > > > > > > > > i would rather wait.. or quit rather..

> > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So, my attempt in message 11510 was not

> correct.

> > > Uhm.. so

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > saying that marriage was not in Venus or Sun

> antra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Will have to go back again,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > yes, NS.you are right. so try once more to

> time

> > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

> > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in navamsa is in Libra - becomes

> weak?

> > > So no

> > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in checking the delay?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will jupiter check delay? if yes why? if

> not

> > > why?

> > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > check...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

, " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshiji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would attempt the chart from the

> > > understanding i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn aspects lord of A,B and C of

> rashi

> > in

> > > > > > > navamsa...

> > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > full dealy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter aspects Saturn and also lord of

> A

> > > and B of

> > > > > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of adding jupiter dealy(which i

> am

> > > not

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > of)..

> > > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opt that saturn dealy would be

modified

> > and

> > > the

> > > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the second sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zeores in summary table of

> > > rashi.(i

> > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered so i didnt look).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The lords of navamsa arent to be taken

> so

> > i

> > > wont

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 and 9 of navamsa in 5:9)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dealy ends around oct 25th 1979.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus antra is going on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is situated with mercury and

would

> > act

> > > as

> > > > > > > > samdhari

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the second strongest of

> > > significator and

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i would go for the second sector of

> > Venus

> > > for

> > > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For child birth.. taking 5th house as

B.

> > > Moon is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > second strongest significator i would

go

> > for

> > > the

> > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child birth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking 11th as B (for female which i am

> not

> > > sure

> > > > > > of)

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the birth of child in venus antra

itself

> > the

> > > third

> > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house E with 7 points and its also its

> own

> > > sign so

> > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. it is the strongest significator

> for

> > > 11th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a female chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart is for practice. Use KAS

> to

> > > time

> > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (first child). You will find it

> pretty

> > > simple,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules. I could not time the sector

> for

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > though.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss and learn.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth details:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 27Jun1955

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15Hrs.15Min.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pilibhit-India

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28N38

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 79E48

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 12, 2006

Dear Bala,

Yes you are right, infact that was the document which attracted me

towards the system. I may be wrong but often some personal curosity or

problems that draws us towards something that points to it. Mine was a

case of the document you are reffering to and with the case of my wife

having jupiter in libra. and if i am not mistaken it had the most

cases of survey having either jupiter in libra in rasi or navamsa.

actually that document led me to that site.. while searching on google

for ashtakavarga.

I accept the document and its results thats why i am in this forum. I

am just trying to ask the question " why " ... the logic behind jupiter

getting spoilt in libra... and not in taurus or nakshatra of venus.

or in 7th or 2nd bhava.

Thanks/Regards

Harjeet

, bala sosale

<bsosale wrote:

>

> Dear Harjeet, List members,

>

> Sandy from the group did a research on charts of people in US

and wrote a paper on the research.

>

> It is in http://krushna.sageasita.com/

>

> under KAS FAQ.... the name of the file is called

> " KAS Final Research Statistics on Marriage/Relationships " .

>

> you will be suprised to see the cases of problems in marriage

for Jupiter in Libra.

>

> Check that out.

>

> Regards

> Bala

>

> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone

call rates.

>

May 12, 2006

Thanks very much again Ashji for detailed explanation,

with respect to the case of dealy being negated by lord of 1 and 9

either in rashi and navamsa being in a position 5:9...

in the above example jupiter was spoilt and was unable to check

delay.. what happens if it was venus either the lord of 1 or 9 and it

gets spoilt being in krittika, ardra or moola nakshatra ? would it

not be able to negate the delay too even though being in 5:9 1/9 lord

etc...

if so.. then there are other planets too that get spoilt somewhere

too... and they might happen to be the lord of 1/9 and in 5:9...

but if we dont know where these planets get spoilt (except for the

sign of debilitation and in 7th from their own house... which i dont

know counts in this system or say having more than 4 or less than 4

points) we cant judge if the planet is capable of negating the dealy

or not ?

i hope i am not confusing...

thanks/regards

harjeet

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear NS,

>

> Actually the basic rule is what u know and are aware off.

>

> 1) If Ju aspects House A or B or their lords in Rasi or Navamsa then

> it causes delay.

>

> 2) If there is blessing then that is a very special case in which

> case, delay may be cancelled.

>

> 3) Jupiter if it aspects Shani it checked delay of Shani.

>

> Now, then we come to exceptions.

>

> If Jupiter is itself in sign or navamsa of shani or nakshtra of

> shani or spoilt by virtue of being in libra then it looses its power

> to check delay of Shani.

>

> Now, if the same jupiter is Guru and involved in blessing then it

> may not be effective in bestowing the blessing and curtailing the

> delay.

>

> These are exception or if I can say, closely studying the status of

> planet which we must do.

>

> So try to apply yourself and the rules given are for guidelines.

>

> All this what I am saying here, took me a long long time to

> understand and that too by solving more and more charts. Each chart

> is different from the other, but that being said, u are working off

> concerete rules.

>

> Those are guidelines.

>

> With more and more practice such things will come naturally to you.

> So do not get dissapointed.

>

> The rules are same. Let me summarise them for u

>

> 1) Shani is natural delay causing planet. If it aspects ABC House

> in Rasi or navamsa then it casues delay or if it aspects lords of

> ABC of rAsi in rasi or navamsa then it causes delay.

>

> 2) Ju is also a slow moving planet. If it aspects House A or B and

> the lords of Rasi in Rasi and navamsa (similar like Shani) then it

> causes delay.

>

> 3) Guru also has special effect that it can reduce delay if it has

> its aspect on Shani if shani is causing delay.

>

> 4) Zeros in SAV can also cause delay.

>

> 5) Lagna and 9th lords are involved in blessings. If there is a

> blessing then that may reduce or remove any delays even if present.

>

> The above are basic guidelines. Each one of it might have

> exceptions. For example take point 4.

>

> Zeroes in SAV might casuse delay. 3 zeroes might give no marriage.

> Sometimes 2 Zero delays marriage a lot or if 2 zeroes or 1 zero is

> thrre, it might give the event of marriage, but it might delay

> husband and wife to get together immediately after marriage. So u

> can say delays maritial life etc.

>

> Take blessing or point 5. One has to study that closely. Sometimes

> there might be a case when Guru/father itself is causing delay or

> there maybe as manoshi said depending on status say if Jupiter is

> 9th lord and Mars is 1st lord and if Jupiter's status is spoilt or

> itself might be delay causing then in such a case it might not check

> delay. Each one to be studied on case to case basis.

>

> But the most important factor is that u are using the 5 laws above.

>

> Ofcouse there are other laws given in lessons that u can use like

> status Venus, Guru etc etc etc.

>

> Ok, I am out of time, I hope u get an idea.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> >

> > Since there are so many rules for delay and / or lack there of, is

> > there a list that prioritizes some of these rules. For example,

> if

> > D9 lord and 9th lord in D9 are 5:9 position in D9, then there is

> no

> > delay. And, if Jupiter is in Libra - no check on delay.

> >

> > The question is which one of these two rules take precedence.

> Which

> > one should we use first?

> >

> > NS

> >

> > , " Manoshi

> Chatterjee "

> > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > good discussion NS and Harjeet. Here is the explanation (I had

> > doubt

> > > too and I asked Krishna ji).

> > >

> > > First, we must check the 1st and 9th lords in rasi. what is

> their

> > > position? are they in favourable relationship(in rasi and

> navamsa)?

> > > If they are not then 66% of the scenario is not in favour. Now

> if

> > > navamsa 1st lord and navamsa 9th lord are in 5:9 then there will

> > > some reduction in delay (33% help). BUT again, if the 9th lord

> is

> > > jupiter and is in saturn nakshatra. rasi libra etc, then the

> delay

> > > may not be reduced at all.

> > >

> > > THEN, most importantly, navamsa chart changes rapidly, so not

> > always

> > > we can depend on the navamsa chart based on the given birth

> time,

> > so

> > > we must check other events. Here in this case, take the given

> birth

> > > time (for now) as the real birth time.

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > if navamsa lagna lord and navamsa 9th lord in 5:9 negates

> delay..

> > > > antra of mercury jul-1975 to feb-1978 would be a good time as

> its

> > > the

> > > > lord of E and second strongest significator with 16 points.

> > > > i would wait for the answer on monday now.

> > > > thanks/regards

> > > > harjeet

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > If i understand it correclty Ashji just pointed out the

> navamsa

> > > lord

> > > > > and 9th navamsa lord are in trine cancels delay...

> > > > > for the query native also has this combination...

> > > > > i would cross check and confirm this and reattempt if i get

> > > time..

> > > > > so delay of saturn should be negated.

> > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > harjeet

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wait for the results NS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any feedback on this analysis, Manoshi?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If moon, then because of full delay, I will pick third

> > > sector -

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > jan 16, 1984 till Jul 17, 1984. During this time, if

> we

> > > see the

> > > > > > > pdf,

> > > > > > > > the first that can give marriage is saturn and moon -

> 28

> > > jan

> > > > > > 1984

> > > > > > > > till 9 feb 1984.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If sun did not give marriage, then the next antra is

> of

> > > Moon

> > > > > > > (with

> > > > > > > > > highest point in H7). If no other planet then Moon

> > must

> > > have

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > the marriage.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > if not venus antra... then i think jupiter delay

> is

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > > too ?

> > > > > > > > > > if so.. then add another 24 years...?

> > > > > > > > > > i would rather wait.. or quit rather..

> > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So, my attempt in message 11510 was not

> correct.

> > > Uhm.. so

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > saying that marriage was not in Venus or Sun

> antra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Will have to go back again,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > yes, NS.you are right. so try once more to

> time

> > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

> > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in navamsa is in Libra - becomes

> weak?

> > > So no

> > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in checking the delay?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will jupiter check delay? if yes why? if

> not

> > > why?

> > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > check...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshiji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would attempt the chart from the

> > > understanding i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn aspects lord of A,B and C of

> rashi

> > in

> > > > > > > navamsa...

> > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > full dealy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter aspects Saturn and also lord of

> A

> > > and B of

> > > > > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of adding jupiter dealy(which i

> am

> > > not

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > of)..

> > > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opt that saturn dealy would be modified

> > and

> > > the

> > > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the second sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zeores in summary table of

> > > rashi.(i

> > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered so i didnt look).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The lords of navamsa arent to be taken

> so

> > i

> > > wont

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 and 9 of navamsa in 5:9)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dealy ends around oct 25th 1979.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus antra is going on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is situated with mercury and would

> > act

> > > as

> > > > > > > > samdhari

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the second strongest of

> > > significator and

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i would go for the second sector of

> > Venus

> > > for

> > > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For child birth.. taking 5th house as B.

> > > Moon is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > second strongest significator i would go

> > for

> > > the

> > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child birth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking 11th as B (for female which i am

> not

> > > sure

> > > > > > of)

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the birth of child in venus antra itself

> > the

> > > third

> > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house E with 7 points and its also its

> own

> > > sign so

> > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. it is the strongest significator

> for

> > > 11th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a female chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart is for practice. Use KAS

> to

> > > time

> > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (first child). You will find it

> pretty

> > > simple,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules. I could not time the sector

> for

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > though.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss and learn.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth details:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 27Jun1955

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15Hrs.15Min.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pilibhit-India

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28N38

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 79E48

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 12, 2006

Dear Harjeet,

Do not mix other systems. Exalted planets, planet in friends house,

planets in enemies house, planets in sign debilitation etc are all

covered in the lesson on multiplication factor.

Here we are timing event. We get the powers from Ashtakvarg and not

from sign.

Planets in unccha sign get MF of 1.4 or 1.6 (Me in Virgo). Planets

in enemy sign say Sun in capricorn gets 0.4 MF.

When Ve is in Virgo, then it has MF of 1 and its in 12th from own

sign so we are covering that also. But that does not have any

impact on timing of event.

Keep quality and timing seperate.

A person may get a job, it can be that of a a world leader or that

of a compounder, in both cases we are timing the event of getting a

job. The quality of Job is not what we are seeing here. That is a

different subject.

So if someone comes and askes u, when will I get a job then u can

use what is taught to say that on such and such time he will get a

job. Period. This is timing of event.

IF someone comes and askes when will the marriage be? Then u can

use KAS and time the marriage date, now that person might get

divorsed in a short time after marriage but that is a differnt

thing.

Multiplication factor and its use is different. That has nothing to

do with timing of event. So keep that seperate and same with

Transits. Transit of Shani and Guru will not affect in timing of

event, yes , it shows us the environment. So again keep that aside.

Do not mix too many things. KAS is simple and straight forward.

Say, if a person has sun in Capricorn and Sun is in 3rd house with 5

bindus and lagna is Scorpio. Then such a pesron might get a job so

if we go by timing then we can say, Sun is in house D with 5 bindus

so its eager to give job. Then take it from there, use suns transit

and then time the event using PDF. Over.

Next is that its in capricorn so MF = 0.4. So such a person may get

a job, but he might have to put in a lot of effort. So this not

timing of event but going to quality.

Say if the same sun was with 5 bindus in 3rd house and 3rd house is

aries so it means Aquarius is lagna then in that case again Sun is

with 5 bindus so for 6th as B its eager to give job in its antra and

it will give job, then u use sector/pdf to narrow it down just like

u would do irrsepective where sun is in which sign and then come to

13 days of the event and u can say that job will be secured i nsuch

and such time frame.

Now sun is in aries so MF is 1.2 so here there is 120% backing of

sign compared to sun being in capricorn where sign backing is only

40%. So that means that person will receive the results with lesser

effort.

So do not confuse many things of other systems. Our system coveres

all factors from all angles. Just spend more time with KAS and

slowly slowly u will begin to see things and experience the same

practically on charts when u solve them.

Just for that matter, take a chart where that chart has many planets

in unccha, MT or own sign. As per other systems that might be a

good thing, as per KAS we say that the status of the chart is

reduced.

Some say Ju spoils the house where it is situated, we in KAS say

that Ju will not give the timing of the house it is placed in ?

Why ? Cause it always will aspect House C with 5th aspect.

Similarly for Mars, it will aspect House A, always. However we also

cover exceptions where we say that for example if Ju is in 7th house

in pisces then it will give result ? why ? because despite it

aspecting House C it is LoD means 4th lord. So it will give the

result of 7th house and also that of 11th house as for 11th house it

becomes LoE.

Dont worry Harjeet, slowly slowly u will begin to see things clearly.

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " harjeet_bakshi "

<harjeet_bakshi wrote:

>

> Thanks very much again Ashji for detailed explanation,

> with respect to the case of dealy being negated by lord of 1 and 9

> either in rashi and navamsa being in a position 5:9...

> in the above example jupiter was spoilt and was unable to check

> delay.. what happens if it was venus either the lord of 1 or 9 and

it

> gets spoilt being in krittika, ardra or moola nakshatra ? would it

> not be able to negate the delay too even though being in 5:9 1/9

lord

> etc...

> if so.. then there are other planets too that get spoilt somewhere

> too... and they might happen to be the lord of 1/9 and in 5:9...

> but if we dont know where these planets get spoilt (except for the

> sign of debilitation and in 7th from their own house... which i

dont

> know counts in this system or say having more than 4 or less than 4

> points) we cant judge if the planet is capable of negating the

dealy

> or not ?

> i hope i am not confusing...

> thanks/regards

> harjeet

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear NS,

> >

> > Actually the basic rule is what u know and are aware off.

> >

> > 1) If Ju aspects House A or B or their lords in Rasi or Navamsa

then

> > it causes delay.

> >

> > 2) If there is blessing then that is a very special case in

which

> > case, delay may be cancelled.

> >

> > 3) Jupiter if it aspects Shani it checked delay of Shani.

> >

> > Now, then we come to exceptions.

> >

> > If Jupiter is itself in sign or navamsa of shani or nakshtra of

> > shani or spoilt by virtue of being in libra then it looses its

power

> > to check delay of Shani.

> >

> > Now, if the same jupiter is Guru and involved in blessing then

it

> > may not be effective in bestowing the blessing and curtailing

the

> > delay.

> >

> > These are exception or if I can say, closely studying the status

of

> > planet which we must do.

> >

> > So try to apply yourself and the rules given are for guidelines.

> >

> > All this what I am saying here, took me a long long time to

> > understand and that too by solving more and more charts. Each

chart

> > is different from the other, but that being said, u are working

off

> > concerete rules.

> >

> > Those are guidelines.

> >

> > With more and more practice such things will come naturally to

you.

> > So do not get dissapointed.

> >

> > The rules are same. Let me summarise them for u

> >

> > 1) Shani is natural delay causing planet. If it aspects ABC

House

> > in Rasi or navamsa then it casues delay or if it aspects lords

of

> > ABC of rAsi in rasi or navamsa then it causes delay.

> >

> > 2) Ju is also a slow moving planet. If it aspects House A or B

and

> > the lords of Rasi in Rasi and navamsa (similar like Shani) then

it

> > causes delay.

> >

> > 3) Guru also has special effect that it can reduce delay if it

has

> > its aspect on Shani if shani is causing delay.

> >

> > 4) Zeros in SAV can also cause delay.

> >

> > 5) Lagna and 9th lords are involved in blessings. If there is a

> > blessing then that may reduce or remove any delays even if

present.

> >

> > The above are basic guidelines. Each one of it might have

> > exceptions. For example take point 4.

> >

> > Zeroes in SAV might casuse delay. 3 zeroes might give no

marriage.

> > Sometimes 2 Zero delays marriage a lot or if 2 zeroes or 1 zero

is

> > thrre, it might give the event of marriage, but it might delay

> > husband and wife to get together immediately after marriage. So

u

> > can say delays maritial life etc.

> >

> > Take blessing or point 5. One has to study that closely.

Sometimes

> > there might be a case when Guru/father itself is causing delay

or

> > there maybe as manoshi said depending on status say if Jupiter

is

> > 9th lord and Mars is 1st lord and if Jupiter's status is spoilt

or

> > itself might be delay causing then in such a case it might not

check

> > delay. Each one to be studied on case to case basis.

> >

> > But the most important factor is that u are using the 5 laws

above.

> >

> > Ofcouse there are other laws given in lessons that u can use

like

> > status Venus, Guru etc etc etc.

> >

> > Ok, I am out of time, I hope u get an idea.

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > --- In

, " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Since there are so many rules for delay and / or lack there

of, is

> > > there a list that prioritizes some of these rules. For

example,

> > if

> > > D9 lord and 9th lord in D9 are 5:9 position in D9, then there

is

> > no

> > > delay. And, if Jupiter is in Libra - no check on delay.

> > >

> > > The question is which one of these two rules take precedence.

> > Which

> > > one should we use first?

> > >

> > > NS

> > >

> > > , " Manoshi

> > Chatterjee "

> > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > good discussion NS and Harjeet. Here is the explanation (I

had

> > > doubt

> > > > too and I asked Krishna ji).

> > > >

> > > > First, we must check the 1st and 9th lords in rasi. what is

> > their

> > > > position? are they in favourable relationship(in rasi and

> > navamsa)?

> > > > If they are not then 66% of the scenario is not in favour.

Now

> > if

> > > > navamsa 1st lord and navamsa 9th lord are in 5:9 then there

will

> > > > some reduction in delay (33% help). BUT again, if the 9th

lord

> > is

> > > > jupiter and is in saturn nakshatra. rasi libra etc, then the

> > delay

> > > > may not be reduced at all.

> > > >

> > > > THEN, most importantly, navamsa chart changes rapidly, so

not

> > > always

> > > > we can depend on the navamsa chart based on the given birth

> > time,

> > > so

> > > > we must check other events. Here in this case, take the

given

> > birth

> > > > time (for now) as the real birth time.

> > > >

> > > > --Manoshi

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > if navamsa lagna lord and navamsa 9th lord in 5:9 negates

> > delay..

> > > > > antra of mercury jul-1975 to feb-1978 would be a good time

as

> > its

> > > > the

> > > > > lord of E and second strongest significator with 16 points.

> > > > > i would wait for the answer on monday now.

> > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > harjeet

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If i understand it correclty Ashji just pointed out the

> > navamsa

> > > > lord

> > > > > > and 9th navamsa lord are in trine cancels delay...

> > > > > > for the query native also has this combination...

> > > > > > i would cross check and confirm this and reattempt if i

get

> > > > time..

> > > > > > so delay of saturn should be negated.

> > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " Manoshi

> > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wait for the results NS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any feedback on this analysis, Manoshi?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If moon, then because of full delay, I will pick

third

> > > > sector -

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > jan 16, 1984 till Jul 17, 1984. During this time,

if

> > we

> > > > see the

> > > > > > > > pdf,

> > > > > > > > > the first that can give marriage is saturn and

moon -

> > 28

> > > > jan

> > > > > > > 1984

> > > > > > > > > till 9 feb 1984.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

> > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If sun did not give marriage, then the next

antra is

> > of

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > (with

> > > > > > > > > > highest point in H7). If no other planet then

Moon

> > > must

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > the marriage.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

, " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > if not venus antra... then i think jupiter

delay

> > is

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > > > too ?

> > > > > > > > > > > if so.. then add another 24 years...?

> > > > > > > > > > > i would rather wait.. or quit rather..

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, my attempt in message 11510 was not

> > correct.

> > > > Uhm.. so

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > saying that marriage was not in Venus or Sun

> > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Will have to go back again,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, NS.you are right. so try once more to

> > time

> > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in navamsa is in Libra - becomes

> > weak?

> > > > So no

> > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in checking the delay?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will jupiter check delay? if yes why?

if

> > not

> > > > why?

> > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > check...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

, " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshiji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would attempt the chart from the

> > > > understanding i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn aspects lord of A,B and C of

> > rashi

> > > in

> > > > > > > > navamsa...

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > full dealy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter aspects Saturn and also lord

of

> > A

> > > > and B of

> > > > > > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of adding jupiter dealy

(which i

> > am

> > > > not

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > of)..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opt that saturn dealy would be

modified

> > > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the second sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zeores in summary table

of

> > > > rashi.(i

> > > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered so i didnt look).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The lords of navamsa arent to be

taken

> > so

> > > i

> > > > wont

> > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 and 9 of navamsa in 5:9)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dealy ends around oct 25th 1979.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus antra is going on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is situated with mercury and

would

> > > act

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > samdhari

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the second strongest of

> > > > significator and

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i would go for the second sector

of

> > > Venus

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For child birth.. taking 5th house

as B.

> > > > Moon is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > second strongest significator i

would go

> > > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child birth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking 11th as B (for female which i

am

> > not

> > > > sure

> > > > > > > of)

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the birth of child in venus antra

itself

> > > the

> > > > third

> > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house E with 7 points and its also

its

> > own

> > > > sign so

> > > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. it is the strongest

significator

> > for

> > > > 11th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a female chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

, " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart is for practice. Use

KAS

> > to

> > > > time

> > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (first child). You will find it

> > pretty

> > > > simple,

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules. I could not time the

sector

> > for

> > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss and learn.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth details:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 27Jun1955

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15Hrs.15Min.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pilibhit-India

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28N38

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 79E48

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 12, 2006

Respected Ashji,

Thanks very much.. another gem of a explanation and new lesson learnt

when to use the multiplication factor and more.

i am still confused about the lord of 1/9 and 5:9 thingy...

in the previous example jupiter was spoilt hence couldnt reduce the

dealy... here jupiter was acting as the lord of 1/9 and not as a

natural delay checking planet when it aspects saturn.

no if venus happens to be lord of 1 or 9 and forms the 5:9 combination

with the other lord(1 or 9).. so dealy would be negated ?

if this venus happens to be spoilt say by being in kritika, ardra or

moola nakshatra.. then would it able to negate the delay(as its status

of lord of 1 or 9) ?

if say venus cant negate the delay.. because its spoilt... then it

might happen that other planets besides jupiter or venus say..

mercury..might be lord of 1 and 9 and i dont know how to check if they

are spoilt or not ?

i think i am not mixing other system here...

i just wanted to know that we know only when jupiter or venus are

spoilt... how to check if other planets are spoilt .... or the rules

are for jupiter and venus only.. not for other planets ..

eg mercury happens to be lord of 9 and its having 6 points and its 4th

from saturn which is having 3 points.. can we say mercury is spoilt here ?

if yes then being in 5:9 position with lord of lagna would it be able

to check the delay caused by saturn ?

i am very sorry for being so dull..

thanks/regards

harjeet

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Harjeet,

> Do not mix other systems. Exalted planets, planet in friends house,

> planets in enemies house, planets in sign debilitation etc are all

> covered in the lesson on multiplication factor.

>

> Here we are timing event. We get the powers from Ashtakvarg and not

> from sign.

>

> Planets in unccha sign get MF of 1.4 or 1.6 (Me in Virgo). Planets

> in enemy sign say Sun in capricorn gets 0.4 MF.

> When Ve is in Virgo, then it has MF of 1 and its in 12th from own

> sign so we are covering that also. But that does not have any

> impact on timing of event.

>

> Keep quality and timing seperate.

>

> A person may get a job, it can be that of a a world leader or that

> of a compounder, in both cases we are timing the event of getting a

> job. The quality of Job is not what we are seeing here. That is a

> different subject.

>

> So if someone comes and askes u, when will I get a job then u can

> use what is taught to say that on such and such time he will get a

> job. Period. This is timing of event.

>

> IF someone comes and askes when will the marriage be? Then u can

> use KAS and time the marriage date, now that person might get

> divorsed in a short time after marriage but that is a differnt

> thing.

>

> Multiplication factor and its use is different. That has nothing to

> do with timing of event. So keep that seperate and same with

> Transits. Transit of Shani and Guru will not affect in timing of

> event, yes , it shows us the environment. So again keep that aside.

>

> Do not mix too many things. KAS is simple and straight forward.

>

> Say, if a person has sun in Capricorn and Sun is in 3rd house with 5

> bindus and lagna is Scorpio. Then such a pesron might get a job so

> if we go by timing then we can say, Sun is in house D with 5 bindus

> so its eager to give job. Then take it from there, use suns transit

> and then time the event using PDF. Over.

>

> Next is that its in capricorn so MF = 0.4. So such a person may get

> a job, but he might have to put in a lot of effort. So this not

> timing of event but going to quality.

>

> Say if the same sun was with 5 bindus in 3rd house and 3rd house is

> aries so it means Aquarius is lagna then in that case again Sun is

> with 5 bindus so for 6th as B its eager to give job in its antra and

> it will give job, then u use sector/pdf to narrow it down just like

> u would do irrsepective where sun is in which sign and then come to

> 13 days of the event and u can say that job will be secured i nsuch

> and such time frame.

>

> Now sun is in aries so MF is 1.2 so here there is 120% backing of

> sign compared to sun being in capricorn where sign backing is only

> 40%. So that means that person will receive the results with lesser

> effort.

>

> So do not confuse many things of other systems. Our system coveres

> all factors from all angles. Just spend more time with KAS and

> slowly slowly u will begin to see things and experience the same

> practically on charts when u solve them.

>

> Just for that matter, take a chart where that chart has many planets

> in unccha, MT or own sign. As per other systems that might be a

> good thing, as per KAS we say that the status of the chart is

> reduced.

>

> Some say Ju spoils the house where it is situated, we in KAS say

> that Ju will not give the timing of the house it is placed in ?

> Why ? Cause it always will aspect House C with 5th aspect.

> Similarly for Mars, it will aspect House A, always. However we also

> cover exceptions where we say that for example if Ju is in 7th house

> in pisces then it will give result ? why ? because despite it

> aspecting House C it is LoD means 4th lord. So it will give the

> result of 7th house and also that of 11th house as for 11th house it

> becomes LoE.

>

> Dont worry Harjeet, slowly slowly u will begin to see things clearly.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks very much again Ashji for detailed explanation,

> > with respect to the case of dealy being negated by lord of 1 and 9

> > either in rashi and navamsa being in a position 5:9...

> > in the above example jupiter was spoilt and was unable to check

> > delay.. what happens if it was venus either the lord of 1 or 9 and

> it

> > gets spoilt being in krittika, ardra or moola nakshatra ? would it

> > not be able to negate the delay too even though being in 5:9 1/9

> lord

> > etc...

> > if so.. then there are other planets too that get spoilt somewhere

> > too... and they might happen to be the lord of 1/9 and in 5:9...

> > but if we dont know where these planets get spoilt (except for the

> > sign of debilitation and in 7th from their own house... which i

> dont

> > know counts in this system or say having more than 4 or less than 4

> > points) we cant judge if the planet is capable of negating the

> dealy

> > or not ?

> > i hope i am not confusing...

> > thanks/regards

> > harjeet

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear NS,

> > >

> > > Actually the basic rule is what u know and are aware off.

> > >

> > > 1) If Ju aspects House A or B or their lords in Rasi or Navamsa

> then

> > > it causes delay.

> > >

> > > 2) If there is blessing then that is a very special case in

> which

> > > case, delay may be cancelled.

> > >

> > > 3) Jupiter if it aspects Shani it checked delay of Shani.

> > >

> > > Now, then we come to exceptions.

> > >

> > > If Jupiter is itself in sign or navamsa of shani or nakshtra of

> > > shani or spoilt by virtue of being in libra then it looses its

> power

> > > to check delay of Shani.

> > >

> > > Now, if the same jupiter is Guru and involved in blessing then

> it

> > > may not be effective in bestowing the blessing and curtailing

> the

> > > delay.

> > >

> > > These are exception or if I can say, closely studying the status

> of

> > > planet which we must do.

> > >

> > > So try to apply yourself and the rules given are for guidelines.

> > >

> > > All this what I am saying here, took me a long long time to

> > > understand and that too by solving more and more charts. Each

> chart

> > > is different from the other, but that being said, u are working

> off

> > > concerete rules.

> > >

> > > Those are guidelines.

> > >

> > > With more and more practice such things will come naturally to

> you.

> > > So do not get dissapointed.

> > >

> > > The rules are same. Let me summarise them for u

> > >

> > > 1) Shani is natural delay causing planet. If it aspects ABC

> House

> > > in Rasi or navamsa then it casues delay or if it aspects lords

> of

> > > ABC of rAsi in rasi or navamsa then it causes delay.

> > >

> > > 2) Ju is also a slow moving planet. If it aspects House A or B

> and

> > > the lords of Rasi in Rasi and navamsa (similar like Shani) then

> it

> > > causes delay.

> > >

> > > 3) Guru also has special effect that it can reduce delay if it

> has

> > > its aspect on Shani if shani is causing delay.

> > >

> > > 4) Zeros in SAV can also cause delay.

> > >

> > > 5) Lagna and 9th lords are involved in blessings. If there is a

> > > blessing then that may reduce or remove any delays even if

> present.

> > >

> > > The above are basic guidelines. Each one of it might have

> > > exceptions. For example take point 4.

> > >

> > > Zeroes in SAV might casuse delay. 3 zeroes might give no

> marriage.

> > > Sometimes 2 Zero delays marriage a lot or if 2 zeroes or 1 zero

> is

> > > thrre, it might give the event of marriage, but it might delay

> > > husband and wife to get together immediately after marriage. So

> u

> > > can say delays maritial life etc.

> > >

> > > Take blessing or point 5. One has to study that closely.

> Sometimes

> > > there might be a case when Guru/father itself is causing delay

> or

> > > there maybe as manoshi said depending on status say if Jupiter

> is

> > > 9th lord and Mars is 1st lord and if Jupiter's status is spoilt

> or

> > > itself might be delay causing then in such a case it might not

> check

> > > delay. Each one to be studied on case to case basis.

> > >

> > > But the most important factor is that u are using the 5 laws

> above.

> > >

> > > Ofcouse there are other laws given in lessons that u can use

> like

> > > status Venus, Guru etc etc etc.

> > >

> > > Ok, I am out of time, I hope u get an idea.

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Since there are so many rules for delay and / or lack there

> of, is

> > > > there a list that prioritizes some of these rules. For

> example,

> > > if

> > > > D9 lord and 9th lord in D9 are 5:9 position in D9, then there

> is

> > > no

> > > > delay. And, if Jupiter is in Libra - no check on delay.

> > > >

> > > > The question is which one of these two rules take precedence.

> > > Which

> > > > one should we use first?

> > > >

> > > > NS

> > > >

> > > > , " Manoshi

> > > Chatterjee "

> > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > good discussion NS and Harjeet. Here is the explanation (I

> had

> > > > doubt

> > > > > too and I asked Krishna ji).

> > > > >

> > > > > First, we must check the 1st and 9th lords in rasi. what is

> > > their

> > > > > position? are they in favourable relationship(in rasi and

> > > navamsa)?

> > > > > If they are not then 66% of the scenario is not in favour.

> Now

> > > if

> > > > > navamsa 1st lord and navamsa 9th lord are in 5:9 then there

> will

> > > > > some reduction in delay (33% help). BUT again, if the 9th

> lord

> > > is

> > > > > jupiter and is in saturn nakshatra. rasi libra etc, then the

> > > delay

> > > > > may not be reduced at all.

> > > > >

> > > > > THEN, most importantly, navamsa chart changes rapidly, so

> not

> > > > always

> > > > > we can depend on the navamsa chart based on the given birth

> > > time,

> > > > so

> > > > > we must check other events. Here in this case, take the

> given

> > > birth

> > > > > time (for now) as the real birth time.

> > > > >

> > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if navamsa lagna lord and navamsa 9th lord in 5:9 negates

> > > delay..

> > > > > > antra of mercury jul-1975 to feb-1978 would be a good time

> as

> > > its

> > > > > the

> > > > > > lord of E and second strongest significator with 16 points.

> > > > > > i would wait for the answer on monday now.

> > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If i understand it correclty Ashji just pointed out the

> > > navamsa

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > and 9th navamsa lord are in trine cancels delay...

> > > > > > > for the query native also has this combination...

> > > > > > > i would cross check and confirm this and reattempt if i

> get

> > > > > time..

> > > > > > > so delay of saturn should be negated.

> > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> , " Manoshi

> > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wait for the results NS.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Any feedback on this analysis, Manoshi?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If moon, then because of full delay, I will pick

> third

> > > > > sector -

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > jan 16, 1984 till Jul 17, 1984. During this time,

> if

> > > we

> > > > > see the

> > > > > > > > > pdf,

> > > > > > > > > > the first that can give marriage is saturn and

> moon -

> > > 28

> > > > > jan

> > > > > > > > 1984

> > > > > > > > > > till 9 feb 1984.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If sun did not give marriage, then the next

> antra is

> > > of

> > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > (with

> > > > > > > > > > > highest point in H7). If no other planet then

> Moon

> > > > must

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > the marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > if not venus antra... then i think jupiter

> delay

> > > is

> > > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > > > > too ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > if so.. then add another 24 years...?

> > > > > > > > > > > > i would rather wait.. or quit rather..

> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

> > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So, my attempt in message 11510 was not

> > > correct.

> > > > > Uhm.. so

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that marriage was not in Venus or Sun

> > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Will have to go back again,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, NS.you are right. so try once more to

> > > time

> > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in navamsa is in Libra - becomes

> > > weak?

> > > > > So no

> > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in checking the delay?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will jupiter check delay? if yes why?

> if

> > > not

> > > > > why?

> > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > check...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshiji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would attempt the chart from the

> > > > > understanding i

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn aspects lord of A,B and C of

> > > rashi

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > navamsa...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > full dealy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter aspects Saturn and also lord

> of

> > > A

> > > > > and B of

> > > > > > > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of adding jupiter dealy

> (which i

> > > am

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of)..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opt that saturn dealy would be

> modified

> > > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the second sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zeores in summary table

> of

> > > > > rashi.(i

> > > > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered so i didnt look).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The lords of navamsa arent to be

> taken

> > > so

> > > > i

> > > > > wont

> > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 and 9 of navamsa in 5:9)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dealy ends around oct 25th 1979.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus antra is going on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is situated with mercury and

> would

> > > > act

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > samdhari

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the second strongest of

> > > > > significator and

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i would go for the second sector

> of

> > > > Venus

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For child birth.. taking 5th house

> as B.

> > > > > Moon is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > second strongest significator i

> would go

> > > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child birth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking 11th as B (for female which i

> am

> > > not

> > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > of)

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the birth of child in venus antra

> itself

> > > > the

> > > > > third

> > > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house E with 7 points and its also

> its

> > > own

> > > > > sign so

> > > > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. it is the strongest

> significator

> > > for

> > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a female chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart is for practice. Use

> KAS

> > > to

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (first child). You will find it

> > > pretty

> > > > > simple,

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules. I could not time the

> sector

> > > for

> > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss and learn.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth details:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 27Jun1955

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15Hrs.15Min.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pilibhit-India

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28N38

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 79E48

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 12, 2006

Dear Harjeet,

In due course of time we will study the same when such charts come

up. I can't just hypothetically answer your question which might

not give a correct picture.

Let such a chart come and we will study the same. Maybe by that

time such things will automatically get sorted out.

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " harjeet_bakshi "

<harjeet_bakshi wrote:

>

> Respected Ashji,

> Thanks very much.. another gem of a explanation and new lesson

learnt

> when to use the multiplication factor and more.

> i am still confused about the lord of 1/9 and 5:9 thingy...

> in the previous example jupiter was spoilt hence couldnt reduce the

> dealy... here jupiter was acting as the lord of 1/9 and not as a

> natural delay checking planet when it aspects saturn.

> no if venus happens to be lord of 1 or 9 and forms the 5:9

combination

> with the other lord(1 or 9).. so dealy would be negated ?

> if this venus happens to be spoilt say by being in kritika, ardra

or

> moola nakshatra.. then would it able to negate the delay(as its

status

> of lord of 1 or 9) ?

> if say venus cant negate the delay.. because its spoilt... then it

> might happen that other planets besides jupiter or venus say..

> mercury..might be lord of 1 and 9 and i dont know how to check if

they

> are spoilt or not ?

> i think i am not mixing other system here...

> i just wanted to know that we know only when jupiter or venus are

> spoilt... how to check if other planets are spoilt .... or the

rules

> are for jupiter and venus only.. not for other planets ..

>

> eg mercury happens to be lord of 9 and its having 6 points and its

4th

> from saturn which is having 3 points.. can we say mercury is

spoilt here ?

> if yes then being in 5:9 position with lord of lagna would it be

able

> to check the delay caused by saturn ?

>

> i am very sorry for being so dull..

> thanks/regards

> harjeet

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Harjeet,

> > Do not mix other systems. Exalted planets, planet in friends

house,

> > planets in enemies house, planets in sign debilitation etc are

all

> > covered in the lesson on multiplication factor.

> >

> > Here we are timing event. We get the powers from Ashtakvarg and

not

> > from sign.

> >

> > Planets in unccha sign get MF of 1.4 or 1.6 (Me in Virgo).

Planets

> > in enemy sign say Sun in capricorn gets 0.4 MF.

> > When Ve is in Virgo, then it has MF of 1 and its in 12th from

own

> > sign so we are covering that also. But that does not have any

> > impact on timing of event.

> >

> > Keep quality and timing seperate.

> >

> > A person may get a job, it can be that of a a world leader or

that

> > of a compounder, in both cases we are timing the event of

getting a

> > job. The quality of Job is not what we are seeing here. That

is a

> > different subject.

> >

> > So if someone comes and askes u, when will I get a job then u

can

> > use what is taught to say that on such and such time he will get

a

> > job. Period. This is timing of event.

> >

> > IF someone comes and askes when will the marriage be? Then u

can

> > use KAS and time the marriage date, now that person might get

> > divorsed in a short time after marriage but that is a differnt

> > thing.

> >

> > Multiplication factor and its use is different. That has

nothing to

> > do with timing of event. So keep that seperate and same with

> > Transits. Transit of Shani and Guru will not affect in timing

of

> > event, yes , it shows us the environment. So again keep that

aside.

> >

> > Do not mix too many things. KAS is simple and straight

forward.

> >

> > Say, if a person has sun in Capricorn and Sun is in 3rd house

with 5

> > bindus and lagna is Scorpio. Then such a pesron might get a job

so

> > if we go by timing then we can say, Sun is in house D with 5

bindus

> > so its eager to give job. Then take it from there, use suns

transit

> > and then time the event using PDF. Over.

> >

> > Next is that its in capricorn so MF = 0.4. So such a person may

get

> > a job, but he might have to put in a lot of effort. So this not

> > timing of event but going to quality.

> >

> > Say if the same sun was with 5 bindus in 3rd house and 3rd house

is

> > aries so it means Aquarius is lagna then in that case again Sun

is

> > with 5 bindus so for 6th as B its eager to give job in its antra

and

> > it will give job, then u use sector/pdf to narrow it down just

like

> > u would do irrsepective where sun is in which sign and then come

to

> > 13 days of the event and u can say that job will be secured i

nsuch

> > and such time frame.

> >

> > Now sun is in aries so MF is 1.2 so here there is 120% backing

of

> > sign compared to sun being in capricorn where sign backing is

only

> > 40%. So that means that person will receive the results with

lesser

> > effort.

> >

> > So do not confuse many things of other systems. Our system

coveres

> > all factors from all angles. Just spend more time with KAS and

> > slowly slowly u will begin to see things and experience the same

> > practically on charts when u solve them.

> >

> > Just for that matter, take a chart where that chart has many

planets

> > in unccha, MT or own sign. As per other systems that might be a

> > good thing, as per KAS we say that the status of the chart is

> > reduced.

> >

> > Some say Ju spoils the house where it is situated, we in KAS say

> > that Ju will not give the timing of the house it is placed in ?

> > Why ? Cause it always will aspect House C with 5th aspect.

> > Similarly for Mars, it will aspect House A, always. However we

also

> > cover exceptions where we say that for example if Ju is in 7th

house

> > in pisces then it will give result ? why ? because despite it

> > aspecting House C it is LoD means 4th lord. So it will give the

> > result of 7th house and also that of 11th house as for 11th

house it

> > becomes LoE.

> >

> > Dont worry Harjeet, slowly slowly u will begin to see things

clearly.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > --- In

, " harjeet_bakshi "

> > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks very much again Ashji for detailed explanation,

> > > with respect to the case of dealy being negated by lord of 1

and 9

> > > either in rashi and navamsa being in a position 5:9...

> > > in the above example jupiter was spoilt and was unable to check

> > > delay.. what happens if it was venus either the lord of 1 or 9

and

> > it

> > > gets spoilt being in krittika, ardra or moola nakshatra ?

would it

> > > not be able to negate the delay too even though being in 5:9

1/9

> > lord

> > > etc...

> > > if so.. then there are other planets too that get spoilt

somewhere

> > > too... and they might happen to be the lord of 1/9 and in

5:9...

> > > but if we dont know where these planets get spoilt (except for

the

> > > sign of debilitation and in 7th from their own house... which

i

> > dont

> > > know counts in this system or say having more than 4 or less

than 4

> > > points) we cant judge if the planet is capable of negating the

> > dealy

> > > or not ?

> > > i hope i am not confusing...

> > > thanks/regards

> > > harjeet

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear NS,

> > > >

> > > > Actually the basic rule is what u know and are aware off.

> > > >

> > > > 1) If Ju aspects House A or B or their lords in Rasi or

Navamsa

> > then

> > > > it causes delay.

> > > >

> > > > 2) If there is blessing then that is a very special case in

> > which

> > > > case, delay may be cancelled.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Jupiter if it aspects Shani it checked delay of Shani.

> > > >

> > > > Now, then we come to exceptions.

> > > >

> > > > If Jupiter is itself in sign or navamsa of shani or nakshtra

of

> > > > shani or spoilt by virtue of being in libra then it looses

its

> > power

> > > > to check delay of Shani.

> > > >

> > > > Now, if the same jupiter is Guru and involved in blessing

then

> > it

> > > > may not be effective in bestowing the blessing and

curtailing

> > the

> > > > delay.

> > > >

> > > > These are exception or if I can say, closely studying the

status

> > of

> > > > planet which we must do.

> > > >

> > > > So try to apply yourself and the rules given are for

guidelines.

> > > >

> > > > All this what I am saying here, took me a long long time to

> > > > understand and that too by solving more and more charts.

Each

> > chart

> > > > is different from the other, but that being said, u are

working

> > off

> > > > concerete rules.

> > > >

> > > > Those are guidelines.

> > > >

> > > > With more and more practice such things will come naturally

to

> > you.

> > > > So do not get dissapointed.

> > > >

> > > > The rules are same. Let me summarise them for u

> > > >

> > > > 1) Shani is natural delay causing planet. If it aspects ABC

> > House

> > > > in Rasi or navamsa then it casues delay or if it aspects

lords

> > of

> > > > ABC of rAsi in rasi or navamsa then it causes delay.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Ju is also a slow moving planet. If it aspects House A

or B

> > and

> > > > the lords of Rasi in Rasi and navamsa (similar like Shani)

then

> > it

> > > > causes delay.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Guru also has special effect that it can reduce delay if

it

> > has

> > > > its aspect on Shani if shani is causing delay.

> > > >

> > > > 4) Zeros in SAV can also cause delay.

> > > >

> > > > 5) Lagna and 9th lords are involved in blessings. If there

is a

> > > > blessing then that may reduce or remove any delays even if

> > present.

> > > >

> > > > The above are basic guidelines. Each one of it might have

> > > > exceptions. For example take point 4.

> > > >

> > > > Zeroes in SAV might casuse delay. 3 zeroes might give no

> > marriage.

> > > > Sometimes 2 Zero delays marriage a lot or if 2 zeroes or 1

zero

> > is

> > > > thrre, it might give the event of marriage, but it might

delay

> > > > husband and wife to get together immediately after

marriage. So

> > u

> > > > can say delays maritial life etc.

> > > >

> > > > Take blessing or point 5. One has to study that closely.

> > Sometimes

> > > > there might be a case when Guru/father itself is causing

delay

> > or

> > > > there maybe as manoshi said depending on status say if

Jupiter

> > is

> > > > 9th lord and Mars is 1st lord and if Jupiter's status is

spoilt

> > or

> > > > itself might be delay causing then in such a case it might

not

> > check

> > > > delay. Each one to be studied on case to case basis.

> > > >

> > > > But the most important factor is that u are using the 5 laws

> > above.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcouse there are other laws given in lessons that u can use

> > like

> > > > status Venus, Guru etc etc etc.

> > > >

> > > > Ok, I am out of time, I hope u get an idea.

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Since there are so many rules for delay and / or lack

there

> > of, is

> > > > > there a list that prioritizes some of these rules. For

> > example,

> > > > if

> > > > > D9 lord and 9th lord in D9 are 5:9 position in D9, then

there

> > is

> > > > no

> > > > > delay. And, if Jupiter is in Libra - no check on delay.

> > > > >

> > > > > The question is which one of these two rules take

precedence.

> > > > Which

> > > > > one should we use first?

> > > > >

> > > > > NS

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > good discussion NS and Harjeet. Here is the explanation

(I

> > had

> > > > > doubt

> > > > > > too and I asked Krishna ji).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First, we must check the 1st and 9th lords in rasi. what

is

> > > > their

> > > > > > position? are they in favourable relationship(in rasi

and

> > > > navamsa)?

> > > > > > If they are not then 66% of the scenario is not in

favour.

> > Now

> > > > if

> > > > > > navamsa 1st lord and navamsa 9th lord are in 5:9 then

there

> > will

> > > > > > some reduction in delay (33% help). BUT again, if the

9th

> > lord

> > > > is

> > > > > > jupiter and is in saturn nakshatra. rasi libra etc, then

the

> > > > delay

> > > > > > may not be reduced at all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > THEN, most importantly, navamsa chart changes rapidly,

so

> > not

> > > > > always

> > > > > > we can depend on the navamsa chart based on the given

birth

> > > > time,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > we must check other events. Here in this case, take the

> > given

> > > > birth

> > > > > > time (for now) as the real birth time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if navamsa lagna lord and navamsa 9th lord in 5:9

negates

> > > > delay..

> > > > > > > antra of mercury jul-1975 to feb-1978 would be a good

time

> > as

> > > > its

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > lord of E and second strongest significator with 16

points.

> > > > > > > i would wait for the answer on monday now.

> > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If i understand it correclty Ashji just pointed out

the

> > > > navamsa

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > and 9th navamsa lord are in trine cancels delay...

> > > > > > > > for the query native also has this combination...

> > > > > > > > i would cross check and confirm this and reattempt

if i

> > get

> > > > > > time..

> > > > > > > > so delay of saturn should be negated.

> > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wait for the results NS.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

, " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Any feedback on this analysis, Manoshi?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

, " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If moon, then because of full delay, I will

pick

> > third

> > > > > > sector -

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > jan 16, 1984 till Jul 17, 1984. During this

time,

> > if

> > > > we

> > > > > > see the

> > > > > > > > > > pdf,

> > > > > > > > > > > the first that can give marriage is saturn and

> > moon -

> > > > 28

> > > > > > jan

> > > > > > > > > 1984

> > > > > > > > > > > till 9 feb 1984.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If sun did not give marriage, then the next

> > antra is

> > > > of

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > (with

> > > > > > > > > > > > highest point in H7). If no other planet

then

> > Moon

> > > > > must

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > the marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

> > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > if not venus antra... then i think jupiter

> > delay

> > > > is

> > > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > > > > > too ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > if so.. then add another 24 years...?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i would rather wait.. or quit rather..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, my attempt in message 11510 was not

> > > > correct.

> > > > > > Uhm.. so

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that marriage was not in Venus or

Sun

> > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will have to go back again,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, NS.you are right. so try once

more to

> > > > time

> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

, " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in navamsa is in Libra -

becomes

> > > > weak?

> > > > > > So no

> > > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in checking the delay?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will jupiter check delay? if yes

why?

> > if

> > > > not

> > > > > > why?

> > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshiji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would attempt the chart from

the

> > > > > > understanding i

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn aspects lord of A,B and C

of

> > > > rashi

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > navamsa...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > full dealy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter aspects Saturn and also

lord

> > of

> > > > A

> > > > > > and B of

> > > > > > > > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of adding jupiter dealy

> > (which i

> > > > am

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of)..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opt that saturn dealy would be

> > modified

> > > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the second sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zeores in summary

table

> > of

> > > > > > rashi.(i

> > > > > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered so i didnt

look).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The lords of navamsa arent to

be

> > taken

> > > > so

> > > > > i

> > > > > > wont

> > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 and 9 of navamsa in 5:9)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dealy ends around oct 25th

1979.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus antra is going on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is situated with mercury

and

> > would

> > > > > act

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > samdhari

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the second strongest of

> > > > > > significator and

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i would go for the second

sector

> > of

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For child birth.. taking 5th

house

> > as B.

> > > > > > Moon is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > second strongest significator i

> > would go

> > > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child birth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking 11th as B (for female

which i

> > am

> > > > not

> > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > of)

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the birth of child in venus

antra

> > itself

> > > > > the

> > > > > > third

> > > > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house E with 7 points and its

also

> > its

> > > > own

> > > > > > sign so

> > > > > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. it is the strongest

> > significator

> > > > for

> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

, " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a female chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart is for practice.

Use

> > KAS

> > > > to

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (first child). You will find

it

> > > > pretty

> > > > > > simple,

> > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules. I could not time the

> > sector

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss and learn.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth details:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 27Jun1955

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15Hrs.15Min.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pilibhit-India

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28N38

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 79E48

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 12, 2006

ok, thanks very much .

regards

harjeet

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Harjeet,

> In due course of time we will study the same when such charts come

> up. I can't just hypothetically answer your question which might

> not give a correct picture.

> Let such a chart come and we will study the same. Maybe by that

> time such things will automatically get sorted out.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Ashji,

> > Thanks very much.. another gem of a explanation and new lesson

> learnt

> > when to use the multiplication factor and more.

> > i am still confused about the lord of 1/9 and 5:9 thingy...

> > in the previous example jupiter was spoilt hence couldnt reduce the

> > dealy... here jupiter was acting as the lord of 1/9 and not as a

> > natural delay checking planet when it aspects saturn.

> > no if venus happens to be lord of 1 or 9 and forms the 5:9

> combination

> > with the other lord(1 or 9).. so dealy would be negated ?

> > if this venus happens to be spoilt say by being in kritika, ardra

> or

> > moola nakshatra.. then would it able to negate the delay(as its

> status

> > of lord of 1 or 9) ?

> > if say venus cant negate the delay.. because its spoilt... then it

> > might happen that other planets besides jupiter or venus say..

> > mercury..might be lord of 1 and 9 and i dont know how to check if

> they

> > are spoilt or not ?

> > i think i am not mixing other system here...

> > i just wanted to know that we know only when jupiter or venus are

> > spoilt... how to check if other planets are spoilt .... or the

> rules

> > are for jupiter and venus only.. not for other planets ..

> >

> > eg mercury happens to be lord of 9 and its having 6 points and its

> 4th

> > from saturn which is having 3 points.. can we say mercury is

> spoilt here ?

> > if yes then being in 5:9 position with lord of lagna would it be

> able

> > to check the delay caused by saturn ?

> >

> > i am very sorry for being so dull..

> > thanks/regards

> > harjeet

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Harjeet,

> > > Do not mix other systems. Exalted planets, planet in friends

> house,

> > > planets in enemies house, planets in sign debilitation etc are

> all

> > > covered in the lesson on multiplication factor.

> > >

> > > Here we are timing event. We get the powers from Ashtakvarg and

> not

> > > from sign.

> > >

> > > Planets in unccha sign get MF of 1.4 or 1.6 (Me in Virgo).

> Planets

> > > in enemy sign say Sun in capricorn gets 0.4 MF.

> > > When Ve is in Virgo, then it has MF of 1 and its in 12th from

> own

> > > sign so we are covering that also. But that does not have any

> > > impact on timing of event.

> > >

> > > Keep quality and timing seperate.

> > >

> > > A person may get a job, it can be that of a a world leader or

> that

> > > of a compounder, in both cases we are timing the event of

> getting a

> > > job. The quality of Job is not what we are seeing here. That

> is a

> > > different subject.

> > >

> > > So if someone comes and askes u, when will I get a job then u

> can

> > > use what is taught to say that on such and such time he will get

> a

> > > job. Period. This is timing of event.

> > >

> > > IF someone comes and askes when will the marriage be? Then u

> can

> > > use KAS and time the marriage date, now that person might get

> > > divorsed in a short time after marriage but that is a differnt

> > > thing.

> > >

> > > Multiplication factor and its use is different. That has

> nothing to

> > > do with timing of event. So keep that seperate and same with

> > > Transits. Transit of Shani and Guru will not affect in timing

> of

> > > event, yes , it shows us the environment. So again keep that

> aside.

> > >

> > > Do not mix too many things. KAS is simple and straight

> forward.

> > >

> > > Say, if a person has sun in Capricorn and Sun is in 3rd house

> with 5

> > > bindus and lagna is Scorpio. Then such a pesron might get a job

> so

> > > if we go by timing then we can say, Sun is in house D with 5

> bindus

> > > so its eager to give job. Then take it from there, use suns

> transit

> > > and then time the event using PDF. Over.

> > >

> > > Next is that its in capricorn so MF = 0.4. So such a person may

> get

> > > a job, but he might have to put in a lot of effort. So this not

> > > timing of event but going to quality.

> > >

> > > Say if the same sun was with 5 bindus in 3rd house and 3rd house

> is

> > > aries so it means Aquarius is lagna then in that case again Sun

> is

> > > with 5 bindus so for 6th as B its eager to give job in its antra

> and

> > > it will give job, then u use sector/pdf to narrow it down just

> like

> > > u would do irrsepective where sun is in which sign and then come

> to

> > > 13 days of the event and u can say that job will be secured i

> nsuch

> > > and such time frame.

> > >

> > > Now sun is in aries so MF is 1.2 so here there is 120% backing

> of

> > > sign compared to sun being in capricorn where sign backing is

> only

> > > 40%. So that means that person will receive the results with

> lesser

> > > effort.

> > >

> > > So do not confuse many things of other systems. Our system

> coveres

> > > all factors from all angles. Just spend more time with KAS and

> > > slowly slowly u will begin to see things and experience the same

> > > practically on charts when u solve them.

> > >

> > > Just for that matter, take a chart where that chart has many

> planets

> > > in unccha, MT or own sign. As per other systems that might be a

> > > good thing, as per KAS we say that the status of the chart is

> > > reduced.

> > >

> > > Some say Ju spoils the house where it is situated, we in KAS say

> > > that Ju will not give the timing of the house it is placed in ?

> > > Why ? Cause it always will aspect House C with 5th aspect.

> > > Similarly for Mars, it will aspect House A, always. However we

> also

> > > cover exceptions where we say that for example if Ju is in 7th

> house

> > > in pisces then it will give result ? why ? because despite it

> > > aspecting House C it is LoD means 4th lord. So it will give the

> > > result of 7th house and also that of 11th house as for 11th

> house it

> > > becomes LoE.

> > >

> > > Dont worry Harjeet, slowly slowly u will begin to see things

> clearly.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks very much again Ashji for detailed explanation,

> > > > with respect to the case of dealy being negated by lord of 1

> and 9

> > > > either in rashi and navamsa being in a position 5:9...

> > > > in the above example jupiter was spoilt and was unable to check

> > > > delay.. what happens if it was venus either the lord of 1 or 9

> and

> > > it

> > > > gets spoilt being in krittika, ardra or moola nakshatra ?

> would it

> > > > not be able to negate the delay too even though being in 5:9

> 1/9

> > > lord

> > > > etc...

> > > > if so.. then there are other planets too that get spoilt

> somewhere

> > > > too... and they might happen to be the lord of 1/9 and in

> 5:9...

> > > > but if we dont know where these planets get spoilt (except for

> the

> > > > sign of debilitation and in 7th from their own house... which

> i

> > > dont

> > > > know counts in this system or say having more than 4 or less

> than 4

> > > > points) we cant judge if the planet is capable of negating the

> > > dealy

> > > > or not ?

> > > > i hope i am not confusing...

> > > > thanks/regards

> > > > harjeet

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear NS,

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually the basic rule is what u know and are aware off.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) If Ju aspects House A or B or their lords in Rasi or

> Navamsa

> > > then

> > > > > it causes delay.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) If there is blessing then that is a very special case in

> > > which

> > > > > case, delay may be cancelled.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Jupiter if it aspects Shani it checked delay of Shani.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, then we come to exceptions.

> > > > >

> > > > > If Jupiter is itself in sign or navamsa of shani or nakshtra

> of

> > > > > shani or spoilt by virtue of being in libra then it looses

> its

> > > power

> > > > > to check delay of Shani.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, if the same jupiter is Guru and involved in blessing

> then

> > > it

> > > > > may not be effective in bestowing the blessing and

> curtailing

> > > the

> > > > > delay.

> > > > >

> > > > > These are exception or if I can say, closely studying the

> status

> > > of

> > > > > planet which we must do.

> > > > >

> > > > > So try to apply yourself and the rules given are for

> guidelines.

> > > > >

> > > > > All this what I am saying here, took me a long long time to

> > > > > understand and that too by solving more and more charts.

> Each

> > > chart

> > > > > is different from the other, but that being said, u are

> working

> > > off

> > > > > concerete rules.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those are guidelines.

> > > > >

> > > > > With more and more practice such things will come naturally

> to

> > > you.

> > > > > So do not get dissapointed.

> > > > >

> > > > > The rules are same. Let me summarise them for u

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Shani is natural delay causing planet. If it aspects ABC

> > > House

> > > > > in Rasi or navamsa then it casues delay or if it aspects

> lords

> > > of

> > > > > ABC of rAsi in rasi or navamsa then it causes delay.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Ju is also a slow moving planet. If it aspects House A

> or B

> > > and

> > > > > the lords of Rasi in Rasi and navamsa (similar like Shani)

> then

> > > it

> > > > > causes delay.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Guru also has special effect that it can reduce delay if

> it

> > > has

> > > > > its aspect on Shani if shani is causing delay.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Zeros in SAV can also cause delay.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5) Lagna and 9th lords are involved in blessings. If there

> is a

> > > > > blessing then that may reduce or remove any delays even if

> > > present.

> > > > >

> > > > > The above are basic guidelines. Each one of it might have

> > > > > exceptions. For example take point 4.

> > > > >

> > > > > Zeroes in SAV might casuse delay. 3 zeroes might give no

> > > marriage.

> > > > > Sometimes 2 Zero delays marriage a lot or if 2 zeroes or 1

> zero

> > > is

> > > > > thrre, it might give the event of marriage, but it might

> delay

> > > > > husband and wife to get together immediately after

> marriage. So

> > > u

> > > > > can say delays maritial life etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take blessing or point 5. One has to study that closely.

> > > Sometimes

> > > > > there might be a case when Guru/father itself is causing

> delay

> > > or

> > > > > there maybe as manoshi said depending on status say if

> Jupiter

> > > is

> > > > > 9th lord and Mars is 1st lord and if Jupiter's status is

> spoilt

> > > or

> > > > > itself might be delay causing then in such a case it might

> not

> > > check

> > > > > delay. Each one to be studied on case to case basis.

> > > > >

> > > > > But the most important factor is that u are using the 5 laws

> > > above.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ofcouse there are other laws given in lessons that u can use

> > > like

> > > > > status Venus, Guru etc etc etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ok, I am out of time, I hope u get an idea.

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since there are so many rules for delay and / or lack

> there

> > > of, is

> > > > > > there a list that prioritizes some of these rules. For

> > > example,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > D9 lord and 9th lord in D9 are 5:9 position in D9, then

> there

> > > is

> > > > > no

> > > > > > delay. And, if Jupiter is in Libra - no check on delay.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The question is which one of these two rules take

> precedence.

> > > > > Which

> > > > > > one should we use first?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NS

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > good discussion NS and Harjeet. Here is the explanation

> (I

> > > had

> > > > > > doubt

> > > > > > > too and I asked Krishna ji).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First, we must check the 1st and 9th lords in rasi. what

> is

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > position? are they in favourable relationship(in rasi

> and

> > > > > navamsa)?

> > > > > > > If they are not then 66% of the scenario is not in

> favour.

> > > Now

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > navamsa 1st lord and navamsa 9th lord are in 5:9 then

> there

> > > will

> > > > > > > some reduction in delay (33% help). BUT again, if the

> 9th

> > > lord

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > jupiter and is in saturn nakshatra. rasi libra etc, then

> the

> > > > > delay

> > > > > > > may not be reduced at all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > THEN, most importantly, navamsa chart changes rapidly,

> so

> > > not

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > we can depend on the navamsa chart based on the given

> birth

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > we must check other events. Here in this case, take the

> > > given

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > time (for now) as the real birth time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if navamsa lagna lord and navamsa 9th lord in 5:9

> negates

> > > > > delay..

> > > > > > > > antra of mercury jul-1975 to feb-1978 would be a good

> time

> > > as

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lord of E and second strongest significator with 16

> points.

> > > > > > > > i would wait for the answer on monday now.

> > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If i understand it correclty Ashji just pointed out

> the

> > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > and 9th navamsa lord are in trine cancels delay...

> > > > > > > > > for the query native also has this combination...

> > > > > > > > > i would cross check and confirm this and reattempt

> if i

> > > get

> > > > > > > time..

> > > > > > > > > so delay of saturn should be negated.

> > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wait for the results NS.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Any feedback on this analysis, Manoshi?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If moon, then because of full delay, I will

> pick

> > > third

> > > > > > > sector -

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > jan 16, 1984 till Jul 17, 1984. During this

> time,

> > > if

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > see the

> > > > > > > > > > > pdf,

> > > > > > > > > > > > the first that can give marriage is saturn and

> > > moon -

> > > > > 28

> > > > > > > jan

> > > > > > > > > > 1984

> > > > > > > > > > > > till 9 feb 1984.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If sun did not give marriage, then the next

> > > antra is

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > (with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > highest point in H7). If no other planet

> then

> > > Moon

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if not venus antra... then i think jupiter

> > > delay

> > > > > is

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > too ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if so.. then add another 24 years...?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i would rather wait.. or quit rather..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, my attempt in message 11510 was not

> > > > > correct.

> > > > > > > Uhm.. so

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that marriage was not in Venus or

> Sun

> > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will have to go back again,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, NS.you are right. so try once

> more to

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> , " nirvana_seeker2 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nirvana_seeker2@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in navamsa is in Libra -

> becomes

> > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > So no

> > > > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in checking the delay?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will jupiter check delay? if yes

> why?

> > > if

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > why?

> > > > > > > > > > check

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshiji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would attempt the chart from

> the

> > > > > > > understanding i

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn aspects lord of A,B and C

> of

> > > > > rashi

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > navamsa...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > full dealy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter aspects Saturn and also

> lord

> > > of

> > > > > A

> > > > > > > and B of

> > > > > > > > > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of adding jupiter dealy

> > > (which i

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of)..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opt that saturn dealy would be

> > > modified

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the second sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zeores in summary

> table

> > > of

> > > > > > > rashi.(i

> > > > > > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered so i didnt

> look).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The lords of navamsa arent to

> be

> > > taken

> > > > > so

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > wont

> > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lords

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 and 9 of navamsa in 5:9)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dealy ends around oct 25th

> 1979.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus antra is going on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is situated with mercury

> and

> > > would

> > > > > > act

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > samdhari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the second strongest of

> > > > > > > significator and

> > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i would go for the second

> sector

> > > of

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For child birth.. taking 5th

> house

> > > as B.

> > > > > > > Moon is

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > second strongest significator i

> > > would go

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child birth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking 11th as B (for female

> which i

> > > am

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > of)

> > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the birth of child in venus

> antra

> > > itself

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > third

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house E with 7 points and its

> also

> > > its

> > > > > own

> > > > > > > sign so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. it is the strongest

> > > significator

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a female chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > , " Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart is for practice.

> Use

> > > KAS

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (first child). You will find

> it

> > > > > pretty

> > > > > > > simple,

> > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules. I could not time the

> > > sector

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss and learn.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth details:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 27Jun1955

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15Hrs.15Min.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pilibhit-India

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28N38

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 79E48

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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