Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Quiz2- Twins Marriage Dear Ash, Bala, Gita, Ramesh, & NS ( and others), Thanks for participating in the quiz. Here are the marriage details (as given by my friend who gave the twins data earlier, no more details are known to him) Elder twin: 1st marriage 16 November 1997 2nd marraige 1 August 2001 Younger twin: Marriage 28 February 2001 You can now post your analysis to arrive at the ADs, Sectors & PDFs for the above marriage dates for the benefit of all members (with & without change of time of births/lagnas and/or modifications/exceptions to the present KAS laws, as found necessary). Do not bother whether your approach is right or wrong and somebody more knowledgeable & experienced may correct us. Unless we do it, we do not know whether we are right or wrong Do not leave it. Keep it in your record and study further whenever you find time, since these twins charts are interesting. I hope Sri Krushnaji would enlighten us more on the analysis of marriage dates of these charts. Blessings to you all, Pemmaraju V.R.Rayudu 6 June 2006 " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & French) International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of India 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India, Phone: +91-040-24530210 & Mobile 9347844971 Email: pvrrayudu: pvrrayudu; pvrrayudu Web: http://www.rayuduastrology.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Respected Rayudu Sir, Namaskar, As per your result native first marriage was accomplished in Ke/Ke on 16 Nov 1997. Ketu is SD to Ve and Su . It is more like Ve.Ve is natural karaka and fuctional karaka too. Therefore as main period lord it is ok. As sub of ketu it worked like Su.Su is SD to Sa who is in house D with 5 strong bindus. Sun is weak in 7th house with 11 points only.Therefore marriage happened in weak points planet.When next antara of Mo follows, it should break. Did this marriage break sooner in Mo antara started or it broke in Ke antara only.You have to clearify this event. The problem in the chart is that it shows full delay caused by Sa. Sa is LoC and Ve is LoA and LoB. Ve is with Sa in 6th house in navamsa. Therefore Sa causes delay due to relationship with house/lord of A, B, and C. But this delay is moderated by Jup due to its aspect on Sa. Therefore considering the moderation of delay, the marriage time is arrived at the age of 24 years.It means marriage may happen after Oct 1999. The fact is she married in 1997 at the age of 22+ which may be called normal age according to time and nativirty. This goes against the KAS rule. If we consider the relationship between lagnalord and 9th lord. We find that they are in 4:10 combination.Ma with 3 bindus is SD to Ju with 2 bindus. Both are malefic planet. Jup is malefic in 12th house of bed comfort. But its aspect on 4th house ( house D ) and on Sa is benefic.I do not understand how the marriage took place in 1997. Is it not due to SD relationship between Ma and Ju. This point may be verified. If you correct the birth time earlier than what is given, then also it is showing full delay by Sa and moderation by Ju. Here also it does not satisfy the condition.In this case Sa comes in 5th house and Me becomes LoD and Sa is LoE. Su being SD to LoE and its benefic aspect on house A, ketu antara can not give marriage. We may assume the failure of marriage due to misappropriation of time. If the delay is considered then it is over in the antara of Mo during oct 1999. Mo is LoD and situated in house E with strong 5 bindus and Mo has strong points for 7th house. This Mo is controlled by Ma who is weak with 8 points only, perhaps did not give result. Next antara is of Ma who as stated above is weak could not produce result. Ra follows Ma. Ra is SD to Ma and Ju in rasi. Both are weak. In navamsa Ra is SD to Mo also and thus Mo is a strong significator here, Ra antara gave the marriage. Similarly the marriage of younger twin was also performed in same antara earlier than elder one but PDF was different. If anyone can justify the timing , may please do so as early as possible for the benefit of all of us. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: Quiz2- Twins Marriage Dear Ash, Bala, Gita, Ramesh, & NS ( and others), Thanks for participating in the quiz. Here are the marriage details (as given by my friend who gave the twins data earlier, no more details are known to him) Elder twin: 1st marriage 16 November 1997 2nd marraige 1 August 2001 Younger twin: Marriage 28 February 2001 You can now post your analysis to arrive at the ADs, Sectors & PDFs for the above marriage dates for the benefit of all members (with & without change of time of births/lagnas and/or modifications/exceptions to the present KAS laws, as found necessary). Do not bother whether your approach is right or wrong and somebody more knowledgeable & experienced may correct us. Unless we do it, we do not know whether we are right or wrong Do not leave it. Keep it in your record and study further whenever you find time, since these twins charts are interesting. I hope Sri Krushnaji would enlighten us more on the analysis of marriage dates of these charts. Blessings to you all, Pemmaraju V.R.Rayudu 6 June 2006 " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & French) International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of India 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India, Phone: +91-040-24530210 & Mobile 9347844971 Email: pvrrayudu: pvrrayudu; pvrrayudu Web: http://www.rayuduastrology.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Dear Ramesh, Thank you for sending your analysis. In my opinion, MD is not taken for timing an event. MD is only to know the focus aspect of events. ADs would give the timing of events. Also the BAV points need not be taken since all these are taken care off in the WS points and we have to take the WS points only. Of course BAV points are taken to fix up the SDs. Rahu and Ketu would represent sign lord or star lord as per their placement in rasi, whichever has more points. Hope I am not wrong in this understanding. I give below my analysis with my limited knowledge and experience with KAS. I may be wrong. I request Ash and other experts to please go through this patiently at their leisure time and correct the same. You are right, there is Saturn delay since Saturn is with LoA Venus & LoB Venus of Rasi in navamsa and himself LoC in rasi & navamsa.. But there is no Jupiter moderation since Jupiter is in Saturn Navamsa though it aspects Saturn in Rasi. Also as you said there is no blessing by the 1st lord & 9th lord in 5:9. So the Saturn delay stands and will be over by 15 July 2002 when Saturn enters Gemini and marriages should happen after this delay is over. But none of the marriages happened after 15 July 2002 and all the three marriages happened before the delay period is over. So, as far we know now, the KAS laws would not fit in here, unless there is some other rule of moderation, blessings etc. That is why I said let us go ahead without Saturn delay & any moderation, starting from legal age of 18 and at a later date when we know more laws it may apply for moderation of this Saturn delay. Now let us take Younger twin with Aries lagna. Start from legal age of 18, which is from 18 Oct 1993.Then Mercury MD and Jupiter AD. Only AD is taken for timing. Jupiter has 11 points in WS for 7th,in C in navamsa & aspects B in navamsa. So Jupiter cannot give. Next AD Saturn is in 6th black hole in navamsa, so Saturn cannot give. Next Ketu MD and Ketu AD. Ketu is in Venus sign & Sun star, Venus has 7 points and Sun has 4 points and so Ketu is more like Venus. Ketu is in A and Venus aspects C and so Ketu and Venus ADs cannot give marriage. So Ketu MD-Ketu AD has not given marriage for this younger twin, but there is marriage for the elder twin in this Ketu AD and so the lagna of elder twin may not be Aries. Next Sun AD cannot give since Sun is <12 & in B in Rasi & navamsa. Next Moon is in B in navamsa so Moon cannot give. Next Mars is <12 so Mars cannot give. Next Rahu is in Mars sign & Jupiter star and Mars has 1 point and Jupiter has 3 points and so Rahu is more like Jupiter and Jupiter is LoE though <12 and Rahu is in D in navamsa. So Rahu AD may give marriage from 18 June 2000 to 7 July 2001.Since Rahu is more as Jupiter and Jupiter is 6th lord to 7th marriage may happen in 2nd sector from 29 Oct 2000 to 1 March 2001 or 3rd sector from 1 March 2001 to 7 July 2001. The Sun transit PDF in Saturn-Rahu from 20 Feb to 4 March can be taken since Saturn has highest 21 points and Rahu is AD, So the marriage is likely during 20 Feb to 4 March 2001.The actual marriage happened on 28 Feb 2001.Then Jupiter + Saturn = 10 and SAV points are 206 in Green zone stable. Now let us consider the Elder twin. As this elder twin got married on16 Nov 1997 in Ketu MD- Ketu AD and as seen in above analysis Ketu AD cannot give marriage if Aries lagna is taken. So there is a need to change the TOB of this twin by one minute to get the Pisces lagna. Now let us proceed with this Pisces lagna. Again there is Saturn delay since Saturn aspects A, B, & C in rasi and there is no moderation by Jupiter since Jupiter is in Saturn navamsa though Jupiter aspects Saturn in rasi and there no blessings since 1stlord & 9th lord are not in 5:9. Again marriage happened before Saturn delay is over, which is against KAS laws, as we know now. So again ignoring Saturn delay, start the analysis from legal age of 18, which is from 18 Oct 1993. Then dasa is Merc MD- Jupiter AD from 7 Aug 1992 to 13 Dec 1994. Jupiter AD is not taken since Jupiter aspects B. Next Saturn aspects A so Saturn AD is not taken. Next Ketu MD- Ketu AD from 22 August 1997 to 19 Jan 1998. Ketu is Venus sign & Sun star and Venus has 7 points & Sun has 4 points and so Ketu is more like Venus. And Venus has >12 points and NK also. So Ketu AD may give marriage in the 2nd sector from 10 Nov 1997 to 30 Nov 1997 since Ketu is more as Venus who is in 12th to 7th. The Sun transit PDF an be in Mars-Jupiter from 16 to 19 November since mars has highest points of 37 and 2nd highest from Mars is Jupiter who has 25 points in WS for 7th house. So the marriage can happen from 16 November 1997 to 19 November 1997. The actual marriage happened on 16 November 1997.Then Jupiter + Saturn = 9 and SAV 205 points in Green zone, which is favorable. As I had already given in my first mail, she applied for divorce after about one month after this marriage on 16 Nov 1997 and actually divorced after about 6 to 8 months within one year after this marriage. That means the divorce process started in Ketu AD itself and ended in Venus AD, since Ketu is like Venus who is in 12th to 7th and also in 6th black hole. Also the SAV points afterwards though in Green zone >196 but going downwards might have given some problems leading to divorce. Let us see the second marriage of the elder twin with Pisces lagna. Next AD Sun who aspects A so Sun AD is not taken. Next AD Moon has <12 points and Moon aspects B, so Moon AD is not taken. Next Mars aspects C so Mars AD is not taken. Nest Rahu AD, Rahu is in Mars sign & Jupiter star and Mars has 1 point and Jupiter has 3 points. So Rahu is more like Jupiter and Jupiter has >12 points. So Rahu AD may give marriage from 23 July 2000 to 10 August 2001. The 3rd sector from 9 April 2001 to 14 August 2001 is taken since Jupiter SD to Rahu aspects B. He Sun transit PDF is taken in Moon-Mercury from 3 August to 16 August, since Moon is SD to Mars who has highest 37 points and Mercury has next highest 26 points in WS for 7th house. So the marriage may be from 3 August 2001 to 16 August 2001. The actual marriage happened on 1 August 2001. Then Jupiter + Saturn =13 and SAV points are 201 in Green zone going upwards. Hope this helps you with my present knowledge and also hope this would not confuse you more with my ignorance. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R.Rayudu 8 June 2006 ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Respected Rayudu Sir, Namaskar, As per your result native first marriage was accomplished in Ke/Ke on 16 Nov 1997. Ketu is SD to Ve and Su . It is more like Ve.Ve is natural karaka and fuctional karaka too. Therefore as main period lord it is ok. As sub of ketu it worked like Su.Su is SD to Sa who is in house D with 5 strong bindus. Sun is weak in 7th house with 11 points only.Therefore marriage happened in weak points planet.When next antara of Mo follows, it should break. Did this marriage break sooner in Mo antara started or it broke in Ke antara only.You have to clearify this event. The problem in the chart is that it shows full delay caused by Sa. Sa is LoC and Ve is LoA and LoB. Ve is with Sa in 6th house in navamsa. Therefore Sa causes delay due to relationship with house/lord of A, B, and C. But this delay is moderated by Jup due to its aspect on Sa. Therefore considering the moderation of delay, the marriage time is arrived at the age of 24 years.It means marriage may happen after Oct 1999. The fact is she married in 1997 at the age of 22+ which may be called normal age according to time and nativirty. This goes against the KAS rule. If we consider the relationship between lagnalord and 9th lord. We find that they are in 4:10 combination.Ma with 3 bindus is SD to Ju with 2 bindus. Both are malefic planet. Jup is malefic in 12th house of bed comfort. But its aspect on 4th house ( house D ) and on Sa is benefic.I do not understand how the marriage took place in 1997. Is it not due to SD relationship between Ma and Ju. This point may be verified. If you correct the birth time earlier than what is given, then also it is showing full delay by Sa and moderation by Ju. Here also it does not satisfy the condition.In this case Sa comes in 5th house and Me becomes LoD and Sa is LoE. Su being SD to LoE and its benefic aspect on house A, ketu antara can not give marriage. We may assume the failure of marriage due to misappropriation of time. If the delay is considered then it is over in the antara of Mo during oct 1999. Mo is LoD and situated in house E with strong 5 bindus and Mo has strong points for 7th house. This Mo is controlled by Ma who is weak with 8 points only, perhaps did not give result. Next antara is of Ma who as stated above is weak could not produce result. Ra follows Ma. Ra is SD to Ma and Ju in rasi. Both are weak. In navamsa Ra is SD to Mo also and thus Mo is a strong significator here, Ra antara gave the marriage. Similarly the marriage of younger twin was also performed in same antara earlier than elder one but PDF was different. If anyone can justify the timing , may please do so as early as possible for the benefit of all of us. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: Quiz2- Twins Marriage Dear Ash, Bala, Gita, Ramesh, & NS ( and others), Thanks for participating in the quiz. Here are the marriage details (as given by my friend who gave the twins data earlier, no more details are known to him) Elder twin: 1st marriage 16 November 1997 2nd marraige 1 August 2001 Younger twin: Marriage 28 February 2001 You can now post your analysis to arrive at the ADs, Sectors & PDFs for the above marriage dates for the benefit of all members (with & without change of time of births/lagnas and/or modifications/exceptions to the present KAS laws, as found necessary). Do not bother whether your approach is right or wrong and somebody more knowledgeable & experienced may correct us. Unless we do it, we do not know whether we are right or wrong Do not leave it. Keep it in your record and study further whenever you find time, since these twins charts are interesting. I hope Sri Krushnaji would enlighten us more on the analysis of marriage dates of these charts. Blessings to you all, Pemmaraju V.R.Rayudu 6 June 2006 " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & French) International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of India 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India, Phone: +91-040-24530210 & Mobile 9347844971 Email: pvrrayudu: pvrrayudu; pvrrayudu Web: http://www.rayuduastrology.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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