Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Brain Storming Dear Ash and others, Here is a Brain Storming session for a change. I request all of you to read the following and give your views. I do not know whether this subject is allowed in this forum. Suppose one is born on a particular day, at a particular time & in a particular place (say a thickly populated city) with Aries lagna 0deg1min. Suppose another one is born on the same day, in the same place, after about 1minute 30 seconds with Aries lagna 0 deg 29 min., as a twin or to different parents. Then both will have same sixteen Divisional charts with same Divisional lagnas and planetary positions, same Dasas (may be with a few days difference), same WS points, same SAV etc. Both will be in Vasudha Nadi Amsha, 0deg 0min to 0deg30min as per the Non-Uniform Nadi Amshas (hope I am correct). So can we say that both will have same life pattern? Since generally no two persons can be same in all respects, can we say such births are not possible? Can we say that the second one should be born in the next Nadi Amsha of Vaishnavi from 0deg30min to 0deg 40min as per Non-Uniform Nadi Amshas (hope I am correct), so that there will be a change in the D-chart lagna, which may give a difference in some part of the life pattern (I do not know what this particular change of D-chart lagna gives difference in which phase of life pattern). Of course, if they are born to different parents in Vasudha Nadi Amsha, then the life pattern is different right at the time of birth itself since the parents are different with different backgrounds and we may say that such births may not be possible. To illustrate, I give below a theoretical example: BrainStorm1: DoB 14 April 2006, ToB 6:1:53 AM, PoB Hyderabad, India 17N23, 78E29 Aries lagna 0deg 1 min; Vasudha Nadi Amsha; Moon 4Li35,Dasa Mars-Sun from 9 Jun 2006 to 15 Oct2006.Mars has a zero in 8th in SAV in Summary Table D-60 lagna Aries, D-45 lagna Aries as per Divisional Table BrainStorm2: DoB 14 April 2006, ToB 6:3:27 AM, PoB Hyderabad, India 17N23, 78E29 Aries lagna 0deg29min; Vasudha Nadi Amsha;Moon 4Li36, Dasa Mars-Sun 6 Jun 2006 to 12 Oct 2006 Mars has a zero in 8th in SAV in Summary Table. D-60 lagna Aries, D-45 lagna Aries as per Divisional Table. With ToB 6:4AM, Aries lagna 0deg39min, Vaishnavi Nadi Amsha; D-60 lagna Taurus, D-45 lagna Aries With ToB 6:4:2 AM, Aries lagna 0deg40min, Brahmi Nadi Amsha;D-60 lagna Taurus, D-45 lagna Taurus You may correct this and extend this further as you wish. Sorry if I have intruded into your precious time. Hope you would muse over this and reply as per your convenience. Blessings Pemmaraju V.R.Rayudu 9 June 2006 " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & French) International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of India 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India, Phone: +91-040-24530210 & Mobile 9347844971 Email: pvrrayudu: pvrrayudu; pvrrayudu Web: http://www.rayuduastrology.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju, > Here is a Brain Storming session for a change. I request all of you to > read the following and give your views. I do not know whether this subject > is allowed in this forum. I think there is no problem if deals with KAS laws. > So can we say that both will have same life pattern? > Since generally no two persons can be same in all respects, can we say > such births are not possible? I have seen similar conversations on other list few years ago (or could be private letters?). It was quite theoretical in one sense, because there was no life example. Now, question may be raised: is it possible to have life example (except for the twins) ? Let say that two babies are born in the same hospital, same day, same TOB.... then we have to decide when to calculate TOB: is it physical birth or cutting the cord? Let say we agree on cutting the cord. So..... first we have to see such parallel births. I do not want to say that it is not possible, but I have some reasonable doubts. But, IF possible: I assume that destinies of persons would be VERY similar. I assume that we have to take desha, kala, patra principle (place, time, circumstances) into account. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Dear Pemmaraju and Dadhi, I agree with Dadhi. Dadhi, as per KAS, we note the time of first cry of the baby and not cutting of umbilincal cord. In short we say that 2 people, even twins will not have the same nadi. This is the nadi of house as well as of planet. Still other portion has to be covered in KAS that will venture us into such details inside a chart that are very close. That will come in time once list members are confident with the portion and technique taught so far. That is ofcouse in the hands of Krushnaji when he sees that the time is right. In the mean time, we can focus on charts now, even if they are twins, atleast u can study the similarities how life unfolds. 2 charts of twins u gave in both of them the marriage dates were close, married to guys with similar profession, marriage dates were slightly different, quality of marriage was different so that is different, as with KAS taught so far we are dealing with timing of event. So in case of 2nd twin the marriage was like 6 months apart. Both had 1 child too. So many things are similar. I would be curious to know the names of the husbands of the twins too to see any similarity. If you can find out that will be great. If we can even share such facts, this list will contain some very good data for future. Yes, these charts we can re-vist them, no doubt, once we learn the detail portion of KAS that deals with such fine differences. At that time we might need more data and if you can get as much data as possible and put it in an email it will be there on the list. Even, it might be helpful for people using other systems, who can atleat take this data offline and study the events based on the systems of their choice so it will help the entire jyotish shastra community. So its like laying seeds for future eh! Cheers !!! Ash , " Dadhi " <dadhi wrote: > > Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > Here is a Brain Storming session for a change. I request all of you to > > read the following and give your views. I do not know whether this subject > > is allowed in this forum. > > > I think there is no problem if deals with KAS laws. > > > > So can we say that both will have same life pattern? > > Since generally no two persons can be same in all respects, can we say > > such births are not possible? > > > I have seen similar conversations on other list few years ago (or could be private letters?). It was quite theoretical in one sense, because there was no life example. > > Now, question may be raised: is it possible to have life example (except for the twins) ? Let say that two babies are born in the same hospital, same day, same TOB.... then we have to decide when to calculate TOB: is it physical birth or cutting the cord? Let say we agree on cutting the cord. > > So..... first we have to see such parallel births. I do not want to say that it is not possible, but I have some reasonable doubts. > > But, IF possible: > > I assume that destinies of persons would be VERY similar. > > I assume that we have to take desha, kala, patra principle (place, time, circumstances) into account. > > all the best, > Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Thank you Dadhi for your immediate reply Blessings Pemmaraju Dadhi <dadhi wrote: Dear Pemmaraju, > Here is a Brain Storming session for a change. I request all of you to > read the following and give your views. I do not know whether this subject > is allowed in this forum. I think there is no problem if deals with KAS laws. > So can we say that both will have same life pattern? > Since generally no two persons can be same in all respects, can we say > such births are not possible? I have seen similar conversations on other list few years ago (or could be private letters?). It was quite theoretical in one sense, because there was no life example. Now, question may be raised: is it possible to have life example (except for the twins) ? Let say that two babies are born in the same hospital, same day, same TOB.... then we have to decide when to calculate TOB: is it physical birth or cutting the cord? Let say we agree on cutting the cord. So..... first we have to see such parallel births. I do not want to say that it is not possible, but I have some reasonable doubts. But, IF possible: I assume that destinies of persons would be VERY similar. I assume that we have to take desha, kala, patra principle (place, time, circumstances) into account. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Thank you Ash for your immediate reply. Blessings Pemmaraju ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pemmaraju and Dadhi, I agree with Dadhi. Dadhi, as per KAS, we note the time of first cry of the baby and not cutting of umbilincal cord. In short we say that 2 people, even twins will not have the same nadi. This is the nadi of house as well as of planet. Still other portion has to be covered in KAS that will venture us into such details inside a chart that are very close. That will come in time once list members are confident with the portion and technique taught so far. That is ofcouse in the hands of Krushnaji when he sees that the time is right. In the mean time, we can focus on charts now, even if they are twins, atleast u can study the similarities how life unfolds. 2 charts of twins u gave in both of them the marriage dates were close, married to guys with similar profession, marriage dates were slightly different, quality of marriage was different so that is different, as with KAS taught so far we are dealing with timing of event. So in case of 2nd twin the marriage was like 6 months apart. Both had 1 child too. So many things are similar. I would be curious to know the names of the husbands of the twins too to see any similarity. If you can find out that will be great. If we can even share such facts, this list will contain some very good data for future. Yes, these charts we can re-vist them, no doubt, once we learn the detail portion of KAS that deals with such fine differences. At that time we might need more data and if you can get as much data as possible and put it in an email it will be there on the list. Even, it might be helpful for people using other systems, who can atleat take this data offline and study the events based on the systems of their choice so it will help the entire jyotish shastra community. So its like laying seeds for future eh! Cheers !!! Ash , " Dadhi " <dadhi wrote: > > Dear Pemmaraju, > > > > Here is a Brain Storming session for a change. I request all of you to > > read the following and give your views. I do not know whether this subject > > is allowed in this forum. > > > I think there is no problem if deals with KAS laws. > > > > So can we say that both will have same life pattern? > > Since generally no two persons can be same in all respects, can we say > > such births are not possible? > > > I have seen similar conversations on other list few years ago (or could be private letters?). It was quite theoretical in one sense, because there was no life example. > > Now, question may be raised: is it possible to have life example (except for the twins) ? Let say that two babies are born in the same hospital, same day, same TOB.... then we have to decide when to calculate TOB: is it physical birth or cutting the cord? Let say we agree on cutting the cord. > > So..... first we have to see such parallel births. I do not want to say that it is not possible, but I have some reasonable doubts. > > But, IF possible: > > I assume that destinies of persons would be VERY similar. > > I assume that we have to take desha, kala, patra principle (place, time, circumstances) into account. > > all the best, > Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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