Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, Ramesh, Dadhi, Manu and others, Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends when Jupiter is already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat and Jupiter delay end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay end? 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter delay. Jupiter delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong for most of the houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus house. Can Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in which sector will this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is NOT LoD or LoE but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the SAV ) Thanks Gita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Dear Gita, Namaskar, Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, followimgs are the ans. to your query. Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both causes delay then after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in the sign. If that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then assume delay is over by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place either in the antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or LoE for the focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that planet then SD also can give the event. The event might take place in the first sector on the condition that there is no zero in the SAV chart . I think my expressions might have helped you. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra kaslearner <kaslearner wrote: Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, Ramesh, Dadhi, Manu and others, Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends when Jupiter is already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat and Jupiter delay end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay end? 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter delay. Jupiter delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong for most of the houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus house. Can Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in which sector will this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is NOT LoD or LoE but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the SAV ) Thanks Gita India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Dear Gita, My view is as follows, though it may be wrong. 1) Both delays end at same time. May be the delay of Jupiter may have to be counted till it crosses the 7th house degree. 2) Generally the AD operating when the delay ends is not taken, though sometimes it may be taken also and the next AD is taken..The strong Jupiter if aspects A, B, or C may not give the result, sometimes if LoD or LoE may give the result.If Jupiter cannot give, then if SD to strong significator Moon, Moon may come forward and give the result in Jupiter AD, ofcourse Moon may not help much if not LoD or LoE or aspects A, B, 0r C. Difficult to study your doubts without detaled sceranio & chart..Better you give your analysis of the chart and somebody who is more exprienced and knowledgeable may clear your doubts efficiently Blessings Pemmaraju VR Rayudu kaslearner <kaslearner wrote: Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, Ramesh, Dadhi, Manu and others, Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends when Jupiter is already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat and Jupiter delay end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay end? 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter delay. Jupiter delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong for most of the houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus house. Can Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in which sector will this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is NOT LoD or LoE but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the SAV ) Thanks Gita " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & French) International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of India 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India, Phone: +91-040-24530210 & Mobile 9347844971 Email: pvrrayudu: pvrrayudu; pvrrayudu Web: http://www.rayuduastrology.com Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Thanks Rayaduji. -Gita , " Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu " <pvrrayudu wrote: > > Dear Gita, > > My view is as follows, though it may be wrong. > 1) Both delays end at same time. May be the delay of Jupiter may have to be > counted till it crosses the 7th house degree. > 2) Generally the AD operating when the delay ends is not taken, though sometimes it may be taken also and the next AD is taken..The strong Jupiter if aspects A, B, or C may not give the result, sometimes if LoD or LoE may give the result.If Jupiter cannot give, then if SD to strong significator Moon, Moon may come forward and give the result in Jupiter AD, ofcourse Moon may not help much if not LoD or LoE or aspects A, B, 0r C. Difficult to study your doubts without detaled sceranio & chart..Better you give your analysis of the chart and somebody who is more exprienced and knowledgeable may clear your doubts efficiently > > Blessings > Pemmaraju VR Rayudu > kaslearner <kaslearner wrote: > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, Ramesh, Dadhi, Manu and > others, > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends when Jupiter is > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat and Jupiter delay > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay end? > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter delay. Jupiter > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong for most of the > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus house. Can > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in which sector will > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is NOT LoD or LoE > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the SAV ) > > Thanks > Gita " Daivagnaratna & Jyotish Aradhakulu " > PEMMARAJU V.R. RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech., Dip.(Management & French) > International Consultant & Researcher- Astrology > Former Dy.Director, Defence R & D Laboratory.,Govt. of India > 67 Vinayanagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059,A.P. India, > Phone: +91-040-24530210 & Mobile 9347844971 > Email: pvrrayudu: pvrrayudu; pvrrayudu > Web: http://www.rayuduastrology.com > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Dear Ramesh, Thanks for your reply. We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third sector after a full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing planet itself " from somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. But a delay causing planet itself will come forward to give results in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any other strong signifactor. Hence the question whether we should consider 1st sector or last sector. Regards, Gita , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, followimgs are the ans. to your query. > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both causes delay then after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in the sign. If that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then assume delay is over by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place either in the antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or LoE for the focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that planet then SD also can give the event. The event might take place in the first sector on the condition that there is no zero in the SAV chart . > I think my expressions might have helped you. Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > kaslearner <kaslearner wrote: > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, Ramesh, Dadhi, Manu and > others, > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends when Jupiter is > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat and Jupiter delay > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay end? > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter delay. Jupiter > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong for most of the > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus house. Can > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in which sector will > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is NOT LoD or LoE > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the SAV ) > > Thanks > Gita > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India Click here > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Dear Gita, As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 sector. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra , " kaslearner " <kaslearner wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > Thanks for your reply. > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third sector after a > full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing planet itself " from > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > But a delay causing planet itself will come forward to give results > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any other strong > signifactor. Hence the question whether we should consider 1st sector > or last sector. > > Regards, > Gita > > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, followimgs are > the ans. to your query. > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both causes delay then > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in the sign. If > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then assume delay is over > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place either in the > antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or LoE for the > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that planet then SD > also can give the event. The event might take place in the first > sector on the condition that there is no zero in the SAV chart . > > I think my expressions might have helped you. Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, Ramesh, > Dadhi, Manu and > > others, > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends when Jupiter > is > > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat and Jupiter > delay > > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay end? > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter delay. > Jupiter > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong for most of > the > > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus house. Can > > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in which sector > will > > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is NOT LoD or > LoE > > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the SAV ) > > > > Thanks > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > Click here > > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India Click here > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Dear Ramesh, As per your reference I looked at Chapter 31. It says " Event takes place in the delay causing planet AND this planet is LoD or LoE " . In my example, the delay causing planet is not LoD or LoE. It is just SD to another planet (which again is not LoD or LoE but just a strong signifactor). Sorry for asking again. Hope I am clear this time. Thanks Gita , " aarceemastro2002 " <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Gita, > As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 sector. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > , " kaslearner " > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third sector after a > > full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing planet itself " > from > > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > > > But a delay causing planet itself will come forward to give results > > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any other strong > > signifactor. Hence the question whether we should consider 1st > sector > > or last sector. > > > > Regards, > > Gita > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, followimgs > are > > the ans. to your query. > > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both causes delay then > > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in the sign. If > > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then assume delay is > over > > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place either in the > > antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or LoE for the > > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that planet then SD > > also can give the event. The event might take place in the first > > sector on the condition that there is no zero in the SAV chart . > > > I think my expressions might have helped you. Thanks and > regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, Ramesh, > > Dadhi, Manu and > > > others, > > > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends when > Jupiter > > is > > > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat and Jupiter > > delay > > > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay end? > > > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter delay. > > Jupiter > > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong for most of > > the > > > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus house. > Can > > > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in which sector > > will > > > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is NOT LoD or > > LoE > > > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the SAV ) > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new > > Click here > > > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India Click > here > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Hello Gita, As you also know, KAS rule states that any event takes place in the antara of strongest significator or in the antara of LoD or LoE. I do not repeat about the delay causing planet. You want to know the SD planet who is delay causing planet( Sa and/orJup ) of strongest planet in the WS for focussed house. Am I clearly understood ? In this case the event may take place in the third 1/3 sector. But I did not notice such type of case whether SD to strongest significator is considered. If you have such type of example chart, I request you to post it to the forum for learning purposrs. According to my idea, when the SD of LoD or LoE is considered then why not SD of the strongest significator will be considered subject to its aspect on houses A ,B or C.If this planet aspects theses house then it will not give result. However this has to be confirmed from senior members.Rather it may be confirmed from various chart analysis. Lastly the delay causing planet like Sa being SD of strongest significator may give event in its third sector of antara. When the planet is Jup then it may give in first sector of antara,considering no zero in SAV chart. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra , " kaslearner " <kaslearner wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > As per your reference I looked at Chapter 31. It says " Event takes > place in the delay causing planet AND this planet is LoD or LoE " . In > my example, the delay causing planet is not LoD or LoE. It is just > SD to another planet (which again is not LoD or LoE but just a > strong signifactor). Sorry for asking again. Hope I am clear this > time. > > Thanks > Gita > > > , " aarceemastro2002 " > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gita, > > As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 sector. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > , " kaslearner " > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third sector after > a > > > full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing planet itself " > > from > > > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > > > > > But a delay causing planet itself will come forward to give > results > > > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any other strong > > > signifactor. Hence the question whether we should consider 1st > > sector > > > or last sector. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > > > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, > followimgs > > are > > > the ans. to your query. > > > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both causes delay > then > > > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in the sign. > If > > > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then assume delay is > > over > > > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > > > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place either in the > > > antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or LoE for > the > > > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that planet then > SD > > > also can give the event. The event might take place in the first > > > sector on the condition that there is no zero in the SAV chart . > > > > I think my expressions might have helped you. Thanks and > > regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, > Ramesh, > > > Dadhi, Manu and > > > > others, > > > > > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > > > > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends when > > Jupiter > > > is > > > > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat and > Jupiter > > > delay > > > > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay end? > > > > > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter delay. > > > Jupiter > > > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong for most > of > > > the > > > > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus house. > > Can > > > > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in which > sector > > > will > > > > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is NOT LoD > or > > > LoE > > > > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the SAV ) > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something > new > > > Click here > > > > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India Click > > here > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Dear Ramesh, I have 2 different charts with similar scenarios. I will post them for discussion once I validate a few past events with the native. Thanks Gita , " aarceemastro2002 " <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Hello Gita, > As you also know, KAS rule states that any event takes place in the > antara of strongest significator or in the antara of LoD or LoE. I do > not repeat about the delay causing planet. > You want to know the SD planet who is delay causing planet( Sa > and/orJup ) of strongest planet in the WS for focussed house. Am I > clearly understood ? In this case the event may take place in the > third 1/3 sector. > But I did not notice such type of case whether SD to strongest > significator is considered. If you have such type of example chart, I > request you to post it to the forum for learning purposrs. > According to my idea, when the SD of LoD or LoE is considered then > why not SD of the strongest significator will be considered subject > to its aspect on houses A ,B or C.If this planet aspects theses house > then it will not give result. > However this has to be confirmed from senior members.Rather it may be > confirmed from various chart analysis. > Lastly the delay causing planet like Sa being SD of strongest > significator may give event in its third sector of antara. > When the planet is Jup then it may give in first sector of > antara,considering no zero in SAV chart. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > , " kaslearner " > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > As per your reference I looked at Chapter 31. It says " Event takes > > place in the delay causing planet AND this planet is LoD or LoE " . > In > > my example, the delay causing planet is not LoD or LoE. It is just > > SD to another planet (which again is not LoD or LoE but just a > > strong signifactor). Sorry for asking again. Hope I am clear this > > time. > > > > Thanks > > Gita > > > > > > --- In , " aarceemastro2002 " > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 sector. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > , " kaslearner " > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third sector after > > a > > > > full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing planet itself " > > > from > > > > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > > > > > > > But a delay causing planet itself will come forward to give > > results > > > > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any other strong > > > > signifactor. Hence the question whether we should consider 1st > > > sector > > > > or last sector. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > , ramesh mishra > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > > > > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, > > followimgs > > > are > > > > the ans. to your query. > > > > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both causes delay > > then > > > > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in the sign. > > If > > > > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then assume delay > is > > > over > > > > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > > > > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place either in the > > > > antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or LoE for > > the > > > > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that planet > then > > SD > > > > also can give the event. The event might take place in the > first > > > > sector on the condition that there is no zero in the SAV chart . > > > > > I think my expressions might have helped you. Thanks and > > > regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, > > Ramesh, > > > > Dadhi, Manu and > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > > > > > > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends when > > > Jupiter > > > > is > > > > > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat and > > Jupiter > > > > delay > > > > > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay end? > > > > > > > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter > delay. > > > > Jupiter > > > > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong for > most > > of > > > > the > > > > > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus > house. > > > Can > > > > > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in which > > sector > > > > will > > > > > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is NOT > LoD > > or > > > > LoE > > > > > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the SAV ) > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something > > new > > > > Click here > > > > > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India > Click > > > here > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Thanks Gita, Please post those charts after validation and give those events to us also so that we can gain frome the charts and we may continue discussion. Regards, Ramesh Mishra --- kaslearner <kaslearner wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > I have 2 different charts with similar scenarios. I > will post them > for discussion once I validate a few past events > with the native. > > Thanks > Gita > > , > " aarceemastro2002 " > <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > > > Hello Gita, > > As you also know, KAS rule states that any event > takes place in the > > antara of strongest significator or in the antara > of LoD or LoE. I > do > > not repeat about the delay causing planet. > > You want to know the SD planet who is delay > causing planet( Sa > > and/orJup ) of strongest planet in the WS for > focussed house. Am I > > clearly understood ? In this case the event may > take place in the > > third 1/3 sector. > > But I did not notice such type of case whether SD > to strongest > > significator is considered. If you have such type > of example chart, > I > > request you to post it to the forum for learning > purposrs. > > According to my idea, when the SD of LoD or LoE is > considered then > > why not SD of the strongest significator will be > considered subject > > to its aspect on houses A ,B or C.If this planet > aspects theses > house > > then it will not give result. > > However this has to be confirmed from senior > members.Rather it may > be > > confirmed from various chart analysis. > > Lastly the delay causing planet like Sa being SD > of strongest > > significator may give event in its third sector of > antara. > > When the planet is Jup then it may give in first > sector of > > antara,considering no zero in SAV chart. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > , > " kaslearner " > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > As per your reference I looked at Chapter 31. It > says " Event > takes > > > place in the delay causing planet AND this > planet is LoD or LoE " . > > In > > > my example, the delay causing planet is not LoD > or LoE. It is > just > > > SD to another planet (which again is not LoD or > LoE but just a > > > strong signifactor). Sorry for asking again. > Hope I am clear this > > > time. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > " aarceemastro2002 " > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 > sector. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > --- In > , > " kaslearner " > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the > third sector > after > > > a > > > > > full delay, if antra is not of the delay > causing planet > itself " > > > > from > > > > > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > > > > > > > > > But a delay causing planet itself will come > forward to give > > > results > > > > > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD > to any other > strong > > > > > signifactor. Hence the question whether we > should consider > 1st > > > > sector > > > > > or last sector. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , ramesh > mishra > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > > > > > Whatever I have gained knowledge > according to KAS, > > > followimgs > > > > are > > > > > the ans. to your query. > > > > > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup > both causes > delay > > > then > > > > > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup > transits in the > sign. > > > If > > > > > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house > then assume delay > > is > > > > over > > > > > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending > delay. > > > > > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes > place either in > the > > > > > antara of strongest planet or in the antara > of LoD or LoE > for > > > the > > > > > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD > to that planet > > then > > > SD > > > > > also can give the event. The event might > take place in the > > first > > > > > sector on the condition that there is no > zero in the SAV > chart . > > > > > > I think my expressions might have helped > you. Thanks and > > > > regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, > Bala, Manoshi, > > > Ramesh, > > > > > Dadhi, Manu and > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 > scenarios: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and > Sat delay ends when > > > > Jupiter > > > > > is > > > > > > already transiting 7th house , does it > imply that Sat and > > > Jupiter > > > > > delay > > > > > > end at the same time? If not, when will > Jupiter delay end? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a > full Jupiter > > delay. > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. > Jupiter is strong for > > most > === message truncated === ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Dear Gita, Ramesh, Manu, Pemmaraju and All, I will share my little understanding. Our law is that " If the delay causing planet is LoD or LoE and if the delay causing planets antra is running then it will give the result in the first sector itself " . Now, lets get back to the basics. If say a planet is SD to Delay causing planet and for some reason the SD is coming forward FOR the DELAY CAUSING PLANET then it might also give result in the 1st sector itself as it is REPRESENTING the delay causing planet. So I think that will clear. So say If Sa is delay causing planet and say Mo is stepping in for Sa then Mo might give result in 1st sector itself, here I am assuming that Sa is LoD or LoE. But here Moon must act as SD to Sa means its giving result as Sa is not able to for some reason so Mo will step in for Sa and will try to give the result immediately or say in 1st sector. Cheers !!! Ash , " kaslearner " <kaslearner wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > I have 2 different charts with similar scenarios. I will post them > for discussion once I validate a few past events with the native. > > Thanks > Gita > > --- In , " aarceemastro2002 " > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Hello Gita, > > As you also know, KAS rule states that any event takes place in the > > antara of strongest significator or in the antara of LoD or LoE. I > do > > not repeat about the delay causing planet. > > You want to know the SD planet who is delay causing planet( Sa > > and/orJup ) of strongest planet in the WS for focussed house. Am I > > clearly understood ? In this case the event may take place in the > > third 1/3 sector. > > But I did not notice such type of case whether SD to strongest > > significator is considered. If you have such type of example chart, > I > > request you to post it to the forum for learning purposrs. > > According to my idea, when the SD of LoD or LoE is considered then > > why not SD of the strongest significator will be considered subject > > to its aspect on houses A ,B or C.If this planet aspects theses > house > > then it will not give result. > > However this has to be confirmed from senior members.Rather it may > be > > confirmed from various chart analysis. > > Lastly the delay causing planet like Sa being SD of strongest > > significator may give event in its third sector of antara. > > When the planet is Jup then it may give in first sector of > > antara,considering no zero in SAV chart. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > , " kaslearner " > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > As per your reference I looked at Chapter 31. It says " Event > takes > > > place in the delay causing planet AND this planet is LoD or LoE " . > > In > > > my example, the delay causing planet is not LoD or LoE. It is > just > > > SD to another planet (which again is not LoD or LoE but just a > > > strong signifactor). Sorry for asking again. Hope I am clear this > > > time. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 sector. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > --- In , " kaslearner " > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third sector > after > > > a > > > > > full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing planet > itself " > > > > from > > > > > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > > > > > > > > > But a delay causing planet itself will come forward to give > > > results > > > > > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any other > strong > > > > > signifactor. Hence the question whether we should consider > 1st > > > > sector > > > > > or last sector. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ramesh > mishra > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > > > > > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, > > > followimgs > > > > are > > > > > the ans. to your query. > > > > > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both causes > delay > > > then > > > > > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in the > sign. > > > If > > > > > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then assume delay > > is > > > > over > > > > > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > > > > > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place either in > the > > > > > antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or LoE > for > > > the > > > > > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that planet > > then > > > SD > > > > > also can give the event. The event might take place in the > > first > > > > > sector on the condition that there is no zero in the SAV > chart . > > > > > > I think my expressions might have helped you. Thanks and > > > > regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, > > > Ramesh, > > > > > Dadhi, Manu and > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends when > > > > Jupiter > > > > > is > > > > > > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat and > > > Jupiter > > > > > delay > > > > > > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay end? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter > > delay. > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong for > > most > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus > > house. > > > > Can > > > > > > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in which > > > sector > > > > > will > > > > > > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is NOT > > LoD > > > or > > > > > LoE > > > > > > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the SAV ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something > > > new > > > > > Click here > > > > > > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India > > Click > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Dear Ramesh, Rayaduji and Group, This chart is not the exact same scenario as we discussed. But it is some what similar. So please look at this one and share your thoughts. Female Native: DOB: 7-Dec-1981 Time : 14:30 Place: 13 N 5; 80 E 13 Events as per native: A very early marriage - 30 July 2002 (18 years when still studying - arranged marriage with girl's consent). Moved to UK with husband in June 2003 Got her first job in UK in Oct 2003. Trying for their first child since then Dec 2003 (with no luck..). Lot of stress from inlaws. Hence married life with husband not very smooth. I think all these events are in line with native's birth data though Asc is in the border. I was trying to time conception and childbirth for the chart. First considering 11th house for conception, there is a full Sat delay. This delay ends on 23rd Oct 2006 when Sat moves into Leo. The current antra then is Sat - First sector. Saturn has good points for most of the houses. However Saturn is not LoD or LoE but is SD to Mars who is LoD. In this case Mars (LoD) is in House A (eager to give results). So in which sector will conception happen? Consider 5th house: There is a full Ju delay. This delay is already over when Jupiter entered Libra. Sa is LoE for 5th house. Hence eager to give the results. I am yet to receive the confirmation of events for the other chart. I will post it later. Thanks Gita , " kaslearner " <kaslearner wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > I have 2 different charts with similar scenarios. I will post them > for discussion once I validate a few past events with the native. > > Thanks > Gita > > , " aarceemastro2002 " > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Hello Gita, > > As you also know, KAS rule states that any event takes place in the > > antara of strongest significator or in the antara of LoD or LoE. I > do > > not repeat about the delay causing planet. > > You want to know the SD planet who is delay causing planet( Sa > > and/orJup ) of strongest planet in the WS for focussed house. Am I > > clearly understood ? In this case the event may take place in the > > third 1/3 sector. > > But I did not notice such type of case whether SD to strongest > > significator is considered. If you have such type of example chart, > I > > request you to post it to the forum for learning purposrs. > > According to my idea, when the SD of LoD or LoE is considered then > > why not SD of the strongest significator will be considered subject > > to its aspect on houses A ,B or C.If this planet aspects theses > house > > then it will not give result. > > However this has to be confirmed from senior members.Rather it may > be > > confirmed from various chart analysis. > > Lastly the delay causing planet like Sa being SD of strongest > > significator may give event in its third sector of antara. > > When the planet is Jup then it may give in first sector of > > antara,considering no zero in SAV chart. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > , " kaslearner " > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > As per your reference I looked at Chapter 31. It says " Event > takes > > > place in the delay causing planet AND this planet is LoD or LoE " . > > In > > > my example, the delay causing planet is not LoD or LoE. It is > just > > > SD to another planet (which again is not LoD or LoE but just a > > > strong signifactor). Sorry for asking again. Hope I am clear this > > > time. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 sector. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third sector > after > > > a > > > > > full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing planet > itself " > > > > from > > > > > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > > > > > > > > > But a delay causing planet itself will come forward to give > > > results > > > > > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any other > strong > > > > > signifactor. Hence the question whether we should consider > 1st > > > > sector > > > > > or last sector. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ramesh > mishra > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > > > > > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, > > > followimgs > > > > are > > > > > the ans. to your query. > > > > > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both causes > delay > > > then > > > > > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in the > sign. > > > If > > > > > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then assume delay > > is > > > > over > > > > > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > > > > > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place either in > the > > > > > antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or LoE > for > > > the > > > > > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that planet > > then > > > SD > > > > > also can give the event. The event might take place in the > > first > > > > > sector on the condition that there is no zero in the SAV > chart . > > > > > > I think my expressions might have helped you. Thanks and > > > > regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, > > > Ramesh, > > > > > Dadhi, Manu and > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends when > > > > Jupiter > > > > > is > > > > > > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat and > > > Jupiter > > > > > delay > > > > > > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay end? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter > > delay. > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong for > > most > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus > > house. > > > > Can > > > > > > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in which > > > sector > > > > > will > > > > > > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is NOT > > LoD > > > or > > > > > LoE > > > > > > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the SAV ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something > > > new > > > > > Click here > > > > > > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India > > Click > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 There was a typo in my last mail. Marriage date is 30-July-2000 (NOT 2002) -Gita , " kaslearner " <kaslearner wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, Rayaduji and Group, > > This chart is not the exact same scenario as we discussed. But it is > some what similar. So please look at this one and share your thoughts. > > Female Native: > DOB: 7-Dec-1981 > Time : 14:30 > Place: 13 N 5; 80 E 13 > > Events as per native: > A very early marriage - 30 July 2002 (18 years when still studying - > arranged marriage with girl's consent). > Moved to UK with husband in June 2003 > Got her first job in UK in Oct 2003. > Trying for their first child since then Dec 2003 (with no luck..). > Lot of stress from inlaws. Hence married life with husband not very > smooth. > > I think all these events are in line with native's birth data though > Asc is in the border. > > I was trying to time conception and childbirth for the chart. > > > First considering 11th house for conception, there is a full Sat > delay. This delay ends on 23rd Oct 2006 when Sat moves into Leo. The > current antra then is Sat - First sector. Saturn has good points for > most of the houses. However Saturn is not LoD or LoE but is SD to > Mars who is LoD. In this case Mars (LoD) is in House A (eager to give > results). So in which sector will conception happen? > > Consider 5th house: There is a full Ju delay. This delay is already > over when Jupiter entered Libra. Sa is LoE for 5th house. Hence eager > to give the results. > > I am yet to receive the confirmation of events for the other chart. I > will post it later. > > Thanks > Gita > > > > , " kaslearner " > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > I have 2 different charts with similar scenarios. I will post them > > for discussion once I validate a few past events with the native. > > > > Thanks > > Gita > > > > --- In , " aarceemastro2002 " > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Gita, > > > As you also know, KAS rule states that any event takes place in > the > > > antara of strongest significator or in the antara of LoD or LoE. > I > > do > > > not repeat about the delay causing planet. > > > You want to know the SD planet who is delay causing planet( Sa > > > and/orJup ) of strongest planet in the WS for focussed house. Am > I > > > clearly understood ? In this case the event may take place in the > > > third 1/3 sector. > > > But I did not notice such type of case whether SD to strongest > > > significator is considered. If you have such type of example > chart, > > I > > > request you to post it to the forum for learning purposrs. > > > According to my idea, when the SD of LoD or LoE is considered > then > > > why not SD of the strongest significator will be considered > subject > > > to its aspect on houses A ,B or C.If this planet aspects theses > > house > > > then it will not give result. > > > However this has to be confirmed from senior members.Rather it > may > > be > > > confirmed from various chart analysis. > > > Lastly the delay causing planet like Sa being SD of strongest > > > significator may give event in its third sector of antara. > > > When the planet is Jup then it may give in first sector of > > > antara,considering no zero in SAV chart. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > , " kaslearner " > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > As per your reference I looked at Chapter 31. It says " Event > > takes > > > > place in the delay causing planet AND this planet is LoD or > LoE " . > > > In > > > > my example, the delay causing planet is not LoD or LoE. It is > > just > > > > SD to another planet (which again is not LoD or LoE but just a > > > > strong signifactor). Sorry for asking again. Hope I am clear > this > > > > time. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 sector. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > --- In , " kaslearner " > > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third sector > > after > > > > a > > > > > > full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing planet > > itself " > > > > > from > > > > > > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > > > > > > > > > > > But a delay causing planet itself will come forward to give > > > > results > > > > > > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any other > > strong > > > > > > signifactor. Hence the question whether we should consider > > 1st > > > > > sector > > > > > > or last sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ramesh > > mishra > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > > > > > > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, > > > > followimgs > > > > > are > > > > > > the ans. to your query. > > > > > > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both causes > > delay > > > > then > > > > > > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in the > > sign. > > > > If > > > > > > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then assume > delay > > > is > > > > > over > > > > > > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > > > > > > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place either in > > the > > > > > > antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or LoE > > for > > > > the > > > > > > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that planet > > > then > > > > SD > > > > > > also can give the event. The event might take place in the > > > first > > > > > > sector on the condition that there is no zero in the SAV > > chart . > > > > > > > I think my expressions might have helped you. Thanks > and > > > > > regards. > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, > > > > Ramesh, > > > > > > Dadhi, Manu and > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends > when > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > is > > > > > > > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat and > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter > > > delay. > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong for > > > most > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus > > > house. > > > > > Can > > > > > > > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in which > > > > sector > > > > > > will > > > > > > > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is > NOT > > > LoD > > > > or > > > > > > LoE > > > > > > > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the > SAV ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Dear Gita, Ju is in libra and it aspects 11th house. Its in Sag navamasa. So Ju itself cant give the result. Sa, is aspecting House C for 11th as B. So Sa itself cant give result. Sa can step in for Mars. Mars is LoD. So in my opinion, conception might happen in 2nd sector. No delay is there, marriage at the age of 18 in Ra antra. Rahu is SD to Guru. So it gave result. Ju is in libra and Ve to sun distance is 44 degrees and at the same time Ve is in nak of Sun. Ma and Ve are 5:9. Sa is not aspecting Venus. Cheers !!! Ash , " kaslearner " <kaslearner wrote: > > There was a typo in my last mail. Marriage date is 30-July-2000 (NOT > 2002) > > -Gita > > , " kaslearner " > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, Rayaduji and Group, > > > > This chart is not the exact same scenario as we discussed. But it > is > > some what similar. So please look at this one and share your > thoughts. > > > > Female Native: > > DOB: 7-Dec-1981 > > Time : 14:30 > > Place: 13 N 5; 80 E 13 > > > > Events as per native: > > A very early marriage - 30 July 2002 (18 years when still studying - > > > arranged marriage with girl's consent). > > Moved to UK with husband in June 2003 > > Got her first job in UK in Oct 2003. > > Trying for their first child since then Dec 2003 (with no luck..). > > Lot of stress from inlaws. Hence married life with husband not very > > smooth. > > > > I think all these events are in line with native's birth data > though > > Asc is in the border. > > > > I was trying to time conception and childbirth for the chart. > > > > > > First considering 11th house for conception, there is a full Sat > > delay. This delay ends on 23rd Oct 2006 when Sat moves into Leo. > The > > current antra then is Sat - First sector. Saturn has good points > for > > most of the houses. However Saturn is not LoD or LoE but is SD to > > Mars who is LoD. In this case Mars (LoD) is in House A (eager to > give > > results). So in which sector will conception happen? > > > > Consider 5th house: There is a full Ju delay. This delay is already > > over when Jupiter entered Libra. Sa is LoE for 5th house. Hence > eager > > to give the results. > > > > I am yet to receive the confirmation of events for the other chart. > I > > will post it later. > > > > Thanks > > Gita > > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > I have 2 different charts with similar scenarios. I will post > them > > > for discussion once I validate a few past events with the native. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gita > > > > > > --- In > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Gita, > > > > As you also know, KAS rule states that any event takes place in > > the > > > > antara of strongest significator or in the antara of LoD or > LoE. > > I > > > do > > > > not repeat about the delay causing planet. > > > > You want to know the SD planet who is delay causing planet( Sa > > > > and/orJup ) of strongest planet in the WS for focussed house. > Am > > I > > > > clearly understood ? In this case the event may take place in > the > > > > third 1/3 sector. > > > > But I did not notice such type of case whether SD to strongest > > > > significator is considered. If you have such type of example > > chart, > > > I > > > > request you to post it to the forum for learning purposrs. > > > > According to my idea, when the SD of LoD or LoE is considered > > then > > > > why not SD of the strongest significator will be considered > > subject > > > > to its aspect on houses A ,B or C.If this planet aspects theses > > > house > > > > then it will not give result. > > > > However this has to be confirmed from senior members.Rather it > > may > > > be > > > > confirmed from various chart analysis. > > > > Lastly the delay causing planet like Sa being SD of strongest > > > > significator may give event in its third sector of antara. > > > > When the planet is Jup then it may give in first sector of > > > > antara,considering no zero in SAV chart. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > --- In , " kaslearner " > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > As per your reference I looked at Chapter 31. It says " Event > > > takes > > > > > place in the delay causing planet AND this planet is LoD or > > LoE " . > > > > In > > > > > my example, the delay causing planet is not LoD or LoE. It is > > > just > > > > > SD to another planet (which again is not LoD or LoE but just > a > > > > > strong signifactor). Sorry for asking again. Hope I am clear > > this > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 sector. > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > --- In > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third sector > > > after > > > > > a > > > > > > > full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing planet > > > itself " > > > > > > from > > > > > > > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But a delay causing planet itself will come forward to > give > > > > > results > > > > > > > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any other > > > strong > > > > > > > signifactor. Hence the question whether we should > consider > > > 1st > > > > > > sector > > > > > > > or last sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ramesh > > > mishra > > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > > > > > > > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, > > > > > followimgs > > > > > > are > > > > > > > the ans. to your query. > > > > > > > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both causes > > > delay > > > > > then > > > > > > > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in the > > > sign. > > > > > If > > > > > > > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then assume > > delay > > > > is > > > > > > over > > > > > > > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > > > > > > > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place either > in > > > the > > > > > > > antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or > LoE > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that > planet > > > > then > > > > > SD > > > > > > > also can give the event. The event might take place in > the > > > > first > > > > > > > sector on the condition that there is no zero in the SAV > > > chart . > > > > > > > > I think my expressions might have helped you. Thanks > > and > > > > > > regards. > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, Manoshi, > > > > > Ramesh, > > > > > > > Dadhi, Manu and > > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay ends > > when > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that Sat > and > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter delay > end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full Jupiter > > > > delay. > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is strong > for > > > > most > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the focus > > > > house. > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in > which > > > > > sector > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon is > > NOT > > > > LoD > > > > > or > > > > > > > LoE > > > > > > > > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in the > > SAV ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Thanks for the reply Ash. I will reword to see if I have understood correctly : " If the antra of the delay causing planet is running when the delay gets over and the delay causing planet itself is NOT LoD or LoE but comes forward to give the result being SD to another strong signifactor then the result will happen the third sector " In this special case you have reduced the delay to second antra as LoD Mars is in House A. Am I correct? Regards Gita , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Gita, > Ju is in libra and it aspects 11th house. Its in Sag navamasa. So > Ju itself cant give the result. > Sa, is aspecting House C for 11th as B. So Sa itself cant give > result. > Sa can step in for Mars. Mars is LoD. So in my opinion, conception > might happen in 2nd sector. > No delay is there, marriage at the age of 18 in Ra antra. Rahu is > SD to Guru. So it gave result. Ju is in libra and Ve to sun > distance is 44 degrees and at the same time Ve is in nak of Sun. Ma > and Ve are 5:9. Sa is not aspecting Venus. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " kaslearner " > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > There was a typo in my last mail. Marriage date is 30-July-2000 > (NOT > > 2002) > > > > -Gita > > > > , " kaslearner " > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, Rayaduji and Group, > > > > > > This chart is not the exact same scenario as we discussed. But > it > > is > > > some what similar. So please look at this one and share your > > thoughts. > > > > > > Female Native: > > > DOB: 7-Dec-1981 > > > Time : 14:30 > > > Place: 13 N 5; 80 E 13 > > > > > > Events as per native: > > > A very early marriage - 30 July 2002 (18 years when still > studying - > > > > > arranged marriage with girl's consent). > > > Moved to UK with husband in June 2003 > > > Got her first job in UK in Oct 2003. > > > Trying for their first child since then Dec 2003 (with no > luck..). > > > Lot of stress from inlaws. Hence married life with husband not > very > > > smooth. > > > > > > I think all these events are in line with native's birth data > > though > > > Asc is in the border. > > > > > > I was trying to time conception and childbirth for the chart. > > > > > > > > > First considering 11th house for conception, there is a full Sat > > > delay. This delay ends on 23rd Oct 2006 when Sat moves into Leo. > > The > > > current antra then is Sat - First sector. Saturn has good points > > for > > > most of the houses. However Saturn is not LoD or LoE but is SD > to > > > Mars who is LoD. In this case Mars (LoD) is in House A (eager to > > give > > > results). So in which sector will conception happen? > > > > > > Consider 5th house: There is a full Ju delay. This delay is > already > > > over when Jupiter entered Libra. Sa is LoE for 5th house. Hence > > eager > > > to give the results. > > > > > > I am yet to receive the confirmation of events for the other > chart. > > I > > > will post it later. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > I have 2 different charts with similar scenarios. I will post > > them > > > > for discussion once I validate a few past events with the > native. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Gita, > > > > > As you also know, KAS rule states that any event takes place > in > > > the > > > > > antara of strongest significator or in the antara of LoD or > > LoE. > > > I > > > > do > > > > > not repeat about the delay causing planet. > > > > > You want to know the SD planet who is delay causing planet( > Sa > > > > > and/orJup ) of strongest planet in the WS for focussed > house. > > Am > > > I > > > > > clearly understood ? In this case the event may take place > in > > the > > > > > third 1/3 sector. > > > > > But I did not notice such type of case whether SD to > strongest > > > > > significator is considered. If you have such type of example > > > chart, > > > > I > > > > > request you to post it to the forum for learning purposrs. > > > > > According to my idea, when the SD of LoD or LoE is > considered > > > then > > > > > why not SD of the strongest significator will be considered > > > subject > > > > > to its aspect on houses A ,B or C.If this planet aspects > theses > > > > house > > > > > then it will not give result. > > > > > However this has to be confirmed from senior members.Rather > it > > > may > > > > be > > > > > confirmed from various chart analysis. > > > > > Lastly the delay causing planet like Sa being SD of > strongest > > > > > significator may give event in its third sector of antara. > > > > > When the planet is Jup then it may give in first sector of > > > > > antara,considering no zero in SAV chart. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > --- In > , " kaslearner " > > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your reference I looked at Chapter 31. It says " > Event > > > > takes > > > > > > place in the delay causing planet AND this planet is LoD > or > > > LoE " . > > > > > In > > > > > > my example, the delay causing planet is not LoD or LoE. It > is > > > > just > > > > > > SD to another planet (which again is not LoD or LoE but > just > > a > > > > > > strong signifactor). Sorry for asking again. Hope I am > clear > > > this > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > > As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 sector. > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > --- In > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third > sector > > > > after > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing > planet > > > > itself " > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But a delay causing planet itself will come forward to > > give > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any > other > > > > strong > > > > > > > > signifactor. Hence the question whether we should > > consider > > > > 1st > > > > > > > sector > > > > > > > > or last sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > ramesh > > > > mishra > > > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, > > > > > > followimgs > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > the ans. to your query. > > > > > > > > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both > causes > > > > delay > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in > the > > > > sign. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then > assume > > > delay > > > > > is > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > > > > > > > > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place > either > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or > > LoE > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that > > planet > > > > > then > > > > > > SD > > > > > > > > also can give the event. The event might take place in > > the > > > > > first > > > > > > > > sector on the condition that there is no zero in the > SAV > > > > chart . > > > > > > > > > I think my expressions might have helped you. > Thanks > > > and > > > > > > > regards. > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, > Manoshi, > > > > > > Ramesh, > > > > > > > > Dadhi, Manu and > > > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay > ends > > > when > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that > Sat > > and > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter > delay > > end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full > Jupiter > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is > strong > > for > > > > > most > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the > focus > > > > > house. > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in > > which > > > > > > sector > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon > is > > > NOT > > > > > LoD > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > LoE > > > > > > > > > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in > the > > > SAV ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn > > > something > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > Click here > > > > > > > > > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on > > India > > > > > Click > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Dear Gita, I cant make out from your re-wording that if the delay causing planet is coming forward FOR ANOTHER DELAY CAUSING PLANET. So if its coming forward for another delay causing planet then it will give in 1st 1/3rd only. Barring other delay factors like 0's in SAV etc. But one can judge these things better if one has the chart and also with practice. Keep these things in mind and with solving many charts u will see how things unfold. Cheers !!! Ash kaslearner <kaslearner wrote: Thanks for the reply Ash. I will reword to see if I have understood correctly : " If the antra of the delay causing planet is running when the delay gets over and the delay causing planet itself is NOT LoD or LoE but comes forward to give the result being SD to another strong signifactor then the result will happen the third sector " In this special case you have reduced the delay to second antra as LoD Mars is in House A. Am I correct? Regards Gita , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Gita, > Ju is in libra and it aspects 11th house. Its in Sag navamasa. So > Ju itself cant give the result. > Sa, is aspecting House C for 11th as B. So Sa itself cant give > result. > Sa can step in for Mars. Mars is LoD. So in my opinion, conception > might happen in 2nd sector. > No delay is there, marriage at the age of 18 in Ra antra. Rahu is > SD to Guru. So it gave result. Ju is in libra and Ve to sun > distance is 44 degrees and at the same time Ve is in nak of Sun. Ma > and Ve are 5:9. Sa is not aspecting Venus. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " kaslearner " > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > There was a typo in my last mail. Marriage date is 30-July-2000 > (NOT > > 2002) > > > > -Gita > > > > , " kaslearner " > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, Rayaduji and Group, > > > > > > This chart is not the exact same scenario as we discussed. But > it > > is > > > some what similar. So please look at this one and share your > > thoughts. > > > > > > Female Native: > > > DOB: 7-Dec-1981 > > > Time : 14:30 > > > Place: 13 N 5; 80 E 13 > > > > > > Events as per native: > > > A very early marriage - 30 July 2002 (18 years when still > studying - > > > > > arranged marriage with girl's consent). > > > Moved to UK with husband in June 2003 > > > Got her first job in UK in Oct 2003. > > > Trying for their first child since then Dec 2003 (with no > luck..). > > > Lot of stress from inlaws. Hence married life with husband not > very > > > smooth. > > > > > > I think all these events are in line with native's birth data > > though > > > Asc is in the border. > > > > > > I was trying to time conception and childbirth for the chart. > > > > > > > > > First considering 11th house for conception, there is a full Sat > > > delay. This delay ends on 23rd Oct 2006 when Sat moves into Leo. > > The > > > current antra then is Sat - First sector. Saturn has good points > > for > > > most of the houses. However Saturn is not LoD or LoE but is SD > to > > > Mars who is LoD. In this case Mars (LoD) is in House A (eager to > > give > > > results). So in which sector will conception happen? > > > > > > Consider 5th house: There is a full Ju delay. This delay is > already > > > over when Jupiter entered Libra. Sa is LoE for 5th house. Hence > > eager > > > to give the results. > > > > > > I am yet to receive the confirmation of events for the other > chart. > > I > > > will post it later. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > I have 2 different charts with similar scenarios. I will post > > them > > > > for discussion once I validate a few past events with the > native. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Gita, > > > > > As you also know, KAS rule states that any event takes place > in > > > the > > > > > antara of strongest significator or in the antara of LoD or > > LoE. > > > I > > > > do > > > > > not repeat about the delay causing planet. > > > > > You want to know the SD planet who is delay causing planet( > Sa > > > > > and/orJup ) of strongest planet in the WS for focussed > house. > > Am > > > I > > > > > clearly understood ? In this case the event may take place > in > > the > > > > > third 1/3 sector. > > > > > But I did not notice such type of case whether SD to > strongest > > > > > significator is considered. If you have such type of example > > > chart, > > > > I > > > > > request you to post it to the forum for learning purposrs. > > > > > According to my idea, when the SD of LoD or LoE is > considered > > > then > > > > > why not SD of the strongest significator will be considered > > > subject > > > > > to its aspect on houses A ,B or C.If this planet aspects > theses > > > > house > > > > > then it will not give result. > > > > > However this has to be confirmed from senior members.Rather > it > > > may > > > > be > > > > > confirmed from various chart analysis. > > > > > Lastly the delay causing planet like Sa being SD of > strongest > > > > > significator may give event in its third sector of antara. > > > > > When the planet is Jup then it may give in first sector of > > > > > antara,considering no zero in SAV chart. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > --- In > , " kaslearner " > > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your reference I looked at Chapter 31. It says " > Event > > > > takes > > > > > > place in the delay causing planet AND this planet is LoD > or > > > LoE " . > > > > > In > > > > > > my example, the delay causing planet is not LoD or LoE. It > is > > > > just > > > > > > SD to another planet (which again is not LoD or LoE but > just > > a > > > > > > strong signifactor). Sorry for asking again. Hope I am > clear > > > this > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > > As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 sector. > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > --- In > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third > sector > > > > after > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing > planet > > > > itself " > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But a delay causing planet itself will come forward to > > give > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any > other > > > > strong > > > > > > > > signifactor. Hence the question whether we should > > consider > > > > 1st > > > > > > > sector > > > > > > > > or last sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > ramesh > > > > mishra > > > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, > > > > > > followimgs > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > the ans. to your query. > > > > > > > > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both > causes > > > > delay > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in > the > > > > sign. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then > assume > > > delay > > > > > is > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > > > > > > > > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place > either > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or > > LoE > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that > > planet > > > > > then > > > > > > SD > > > > > > > > also can give the event. The event might take place in > > the > > > > > first > > > > > > > > sector on the condition that there is no zero in the > SAV > > > > chart . > > > > > > > > > I think my expressions might have helped you. > Thanks > > > and > > > > > > > regards. > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, > Manoshi, > > > > > > Ramesh, > > > > > > > > Dadhi, Manu and > > > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay > ends > > > when > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that > Sat > > and > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter > delay > > end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full > Jupiter > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is > strong > > for > > > > > most > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the > focus > > > > > house. > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in > > which > > > > > > sector > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon > is > > > NOT > > > > > LoD > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > LoE > > > > > > > > > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in > the > > > SAV ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn > > > something > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > Click here > > > > > > > > > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on > > India > > > > > Click > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Dear Ash and Group, I was reading through the archives and I found this post by Krushnaji which I think is applicable to this chart:- " As a general rule, when delay period is over, any planet having more then 12 points in WS can give the result. again also see the LOD and LOE from Su and Mo. means considering Su as Lagna and Mo as lagna. If any planet after delay period overs, is LOD from Su or Mo, can give the result. " Here LoE from Sun as Lagna is Saturn. So can event happen in 1st sector? Thanks Gita , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Gita, > Ju is in libra and it aspects 11th house. Its in Sag navamasa. So > Ju itself cant give the result. > Sa, is aspecting House C for 11th as B. So Sa itself cant give > result. > Sa can step in for Mars. Mars is LoD. So in my opinion, conception > might happen in 2nd sector. > No delay is there, marriage at the age of 18 in Ra antra. Rahu is > SD to Guru. So it gave result. Ju is in libra and Ve to sun > distance is 44 degrees and at the same time Ve is in nak of Sun. Ma > and Ve are 5:9. Sa is not aspecting Venus. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " kaslearner " > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > There was a typo in my last mail. Marriage date is 30-July-2000 > (NOT > > 2002) > > > > -Gita > > > > , " kaslearner " > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, Rayaduji and Group, > > > > > > This chart is not the exact same scenario as we discussed. But > it > > is > > > some what similar. So please look at this one and share your > > thoughts. > > > > > > Female Native: > > > DOB: 7-Dec-1981 > > > Time : 14:30 > > > Place: 13 N 5; 80 E 13 > > > > > > Events as per native: > > > A very early marriage - 30 July 2002 (18 years when still > studying - > > > > > arranged marriage with girl's consent). > > > Moved to UK with husband in June 2003 > > > Got her first job in UK in Oct 2003. > > > Trying for their first child since then Dec 2003 (with no > luck..). > > > Lot of stress from inlaws. Hence married life with husband not > very > > > smooth. > > > > > > I think all these events are in line with native's birth data > > though > > > Asc is in the border. > > > > > > I was trying to time conception and childbirth for the chart. > > > > > > > > > First considering 11th house for conception, there is a full Sat > > > delay. This delay ends on 23rd Oct 2006 when Sat moves into Leo. > > The > > > current antra then is Sat - First sector. Saturn has good points > > for > > > most of the houses. However Saturn is not LoD or LoE but is SD > to > > > Mars who is LoD. In this case Mars (LoD) is in House A (eager to > > give > > > results). So in which sector will conception happen? > > > > > > Consider 5th house: There is a full Ju delay. This delay is > already > > > over when Jupiter entered Libra. Sa is LoE for 5th house. Hence > > eager > > > to give the results. > > > > > > I am yet to receive the confirmation of events for the other > chart. > > I > > > will post it later. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > I have 2 different charts with similar scenarios. I will post > > them > > > > for discussion once I validate a few past events with the > native. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Gita, > > > > > As you also know, KAS rule states that any event takes place > in > > > the > > > > > antara of strongest significator or in the antara of LoD or > > LoE. > > > I > > > > do > > > > > not repeat about the delay causing planet. > > > > > You want to know the SD planet who is delay causing planet( > Sa > > > > > and/orJup ) of strongest planet in the WS for focussed > house. > > Am > > > I > > > > > clearly understood ? In this case the event may take place > in > > the > > > > > third 1/3 sector. > > > > > But I did not notice such type of case whether SD to > strongest > > > > > significator is considered. If you have such type of example > > > chart, > > > > I > > > > > request you to post it to the forum for learning purposrs. > > > > > According to my idea, when the SD of LoD or LoE is > considered > > > then > > > > > why not SD of the strongest significator will be considered > > > subject > > > > > to its aspect on houses A ,B or C.If this planet aspects > theses > > > > house > > > > > then it will not give result. > > > > > However this has to be confirmed from senior members.Rather > it > > > may > > > > be > > > > > confirmed from various chart analysis. > > > > > Lastly the delay causing planet like Sa being SD of > strongest > > > > > significator may give event in its third sector of antara. > > > > > When the planet is Jup then it may give in first sector of > > > > > antara,considering no zero in SAV chart. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > --- In > , " kaslearner " > > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your reference I looked at Chapter 31. It says " > Event > > > > takes > > > > > > place in the delay causing planet AND this planet is LoD > or > > > LoE " . > > > > > In > > > > > > my example, the delay causing planet is not LoD or LoE. It > is > > > > just > > > > > > SD to another planet (which again is not LoD or LoE but > just > > a > > > > > > strong signifactor). Sorry for asking again. Hope I am > clear > > > this > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > > As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 sector. > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > --- In > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third > sector > > > > after > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing > planet > > > > itself " > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But a delay causing planet itself will come forward to > > give > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any > other > > > > strong > > > > > > > > signifactor. Hence the question whether we should > > consider > > > > 1st > > > > > > > sector > > > > > > > > or last sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > ramesh > > > > mishra > > > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to KAS, > > > > > > followimgs > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > the ans. to your query. > > > > > > > > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both > causes > > > > delay > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in > the > > > > sign. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then > assume > > > delay > > > > > is > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > > > > > > > > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place > either > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD or > > LoE > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that > > planet > > > > > then > > > > > > SD > > > > > > > > also can give the event. The event might take place in > > the > > > > > first > > > > > > > > sector on the condition that there is no zero in the > SAV > > > > chart . > > > > > > > > > I think my expressions might have helped you. > Thanks > > > and > > > > > > > regards. > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, > Manoshi, > > > > > > Ramesh, > > > > > > > > Dadhi, Manu and > > > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 scenarios: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay > ends > > > when > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that > Sat > > and > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter > delay > > end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full > Jupiter > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is > strong > > for > > > > > most > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the > focus > > > > > house. > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in > > which > > > > > > sector > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon > is > > > NOT > > > > > LoD > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > LoE > > > > > > > > > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in > the > > > SAV ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn > > > something > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > Click here > > > > > > > > > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on > > India > > > > > Click > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Dear Gita, If you take from Sun lagna, then there is 1 zero in SAV due to mars? What about that? Any thoughts? Cheers !!! Ash , " kaslearner " <kaslearner wrote: > > Dear Ash and Group, > > I was reading through the archives and I found this post by Krushnaji > which I think is applicable to this chart:- > > " As a general rule, when delay period is over, any planet having more > then 12 points in WS can give the result. again also see the LOD and > LOE from Su and Mo. means considering Su as Lagna and Mo as lagna. If > any planet after delay period overs, is LOD from Su or Mo, can give > the result. " > > Here LoE from Sun as Lagna is Saturn. So can event happen in 1st > sector? > > Thanks > Gita > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gita, > > Ju is in libra and it aspects 11th house. Its in Sag navamasa. So > > Ju itself cant give the result. > > Sa, is aspecting House C for 11th as B. So Sa itself cant give > > result. > > Sa can step in for Mars. Mars is LoD. So in my opinion, > conception > > might happen in 2nd sector. > > No delay is there, marriage at the age of 18 in Ra antra. Rahu is > > SD to Guru. So it gave result. Ju is in libra and Ve to sun > > distance is 44 degrees and at the same time Ve is in nak of Sun. > Ma > > and Ve are 5:9. Sa is not aspecting Venus. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " kaslearner " > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > There was a typo in my last mail. Marriage date is 30-July- 2000 > > (NOT > > > 2002) > > > > > > -Gita > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, Rayaduji and Group, > > > > > > > > This chart is not the exact same scenario as we discussed. But > > it > > > is > > > > some what similar. So please look at this one and share your > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > Female Native: > > > > DOB: 7-Dec-1981 > > > > Time : 14:30 > > > > Place: 13 N 5; 80 E 13 > > > > > > > > Events as per native: > > > > A very early marriage - 30 July 2002 (18 years when still > > studying - > > > > > > > arranged marriage with girl's consent). > > > > Moved to UK with husband in June 2003 > > > > Got her first job in UK in Oct 2003. > > > > Trying for their first child since then Dec 2003 (with no > > luck..). > > > > Lot of stress from inlaws. Hence married life with husband not > > very > > > > smooth. > > > > > > > > I think all these events are in line with native's birth data > > > though > > > > Asc is in the border. > > > > > > > > I was trying to time conception and childbirth for the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > First considering 11th house for conception, there is a full > Sat > > > > delay. This delay ends on 23rd Oct 2006 when Sat moves into > Leo. > > > The > > > > current antra then is Sat - First sector. Saturn has good > points > > > for > > > > most of the houses. However Saturn is not LoD or LoE but is SD > > to > > > > Mars who is LoD. In this case Mars (LoD) is in House A (eager > to > > > give > > > > results). So in which sector will conception happen? > > > > > > > > Consider 5th house: There is a full Ju delay. This delay is > > already > > > > over when Jupiter entered Libra. Sa is LoE for 5th house. Hence > > > eager > > > > to give the results. > > > > > > > > I am yet to receive the confirmation of events for the other > > chart. > > > I > > > > will post it later. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " kaslearner " > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > I have 2 different charts with similar scenarios. I will post > > > them > > > > > for discussion once I validate a few past events with the > > native. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Gita, > > > > > > As you also know, KAS rule states that any event takes > place > > in > > > > the > > > > > > antara of strongest significator or in the antara of LoD or > > > LoE. > > > > I > > > > > do > > > > > > not repeat about the delay causing planet. > > > > > > You want to know the SD planet who is delay causing planet( > > Sa > > > > > > and/orJup ) of strongest planet in the WS for focussed > > house. > > > Am > > > > I > > > > > > clearly understood ? In this case the event may take place > > in > > > the > > > > > > third 1/3 sector. > > > > > > But I did not notice such type of case whether SD to > > strongest > > > > > > significator is considered. If you have such type of > example > > > > chart, > > > > > I > > > > > > request you to post it to the forum for learning purposrs. > > > > > > According to my idea, when the SD of LoD or LoE is > > considered > > > > then > > > > > > why not SD of the strongest significator will be considered > > > > subject > > > > > > to its aspect on houses A ,B or C.If this planet aspects > > theses > > > > > house > > > > > > then it will not give result. > > > > > > However this has to be confirmed from senior members.Rather > > it > > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > confirmed from various chart analysis. > > > > > > Lastly the delay causing planet like Sa being SD of > > strongest > > > > > > significator may give event in its third sector of antara. > > > > > > When the planet is Jup then it may give in first sector of > > > > > > antara,considering no zero in SAV chart. > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > --- In > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your reference I looked at Chapter 31. It says " > > Event > > > > > takes > > > > > > > place in the delay causing planet AND this planet is LoD > > or > > > > LoE " . > > > > > > In > > > > > > > my example, the delay causing planet is not LoD or LoE. > It > > is > > > > > just > > > > > > > SD to another planet (which again is not LoD or LoE but > > just > > > a > > > > > > > strong signifactor). Sorry for asking again. Hope I am > > clear > > > > this > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " aarceemastro2002 " > > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > > > > As per lesson 31,it should be in the first 1/3 sector. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know of the rule " Event will occur in the third > > sector > > > > > after > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > full delay, if antra is not of the delay causing > > planet > > > > > itself " > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > somewhere in the archives posted by Manoshi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But a delay causing planet itself will come forward > to > > > give > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > in its antra only if it is LoD or LoE or SD to any > > other > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > signifactor. Hence the question whether we should > > > consider > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > sector > > > > > > > > > or last sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > ramesh > > > > > mishra > > > > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Whatever I have gained knowledge according to > KAS, > > > > > > > followimgs > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > the ans. to your query. > > > > > > > > > > Ans to your query no.1- When Sat and Jup both > > causes > > > > > delay > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > after the end of Sat delay see where Jup transits in > > the > > > > > sign. > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > that Jup is aspecting 7th lord or 7th house then > > assume > > > > delay > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > by Jup also and calculate the time of ending delay. > > > > > > > > > > Ans to your query no.2- The event takes place > > either > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > antara of strongest planet or in the antara of LoD > or > > > LoE > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > focussed house in the WS. If there is any SD to that > > > planet > > > > > > then > > > > > > > SD > > > > > > > > > also can give the event. The event might take place > in > > > the > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > sector on the condition that there is no zero in the > > SAV > > > > > chart . > > > > > > > > > > I think my expressions might have helped you. > > Thanks > > > > and > > > > > > > > regards. > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaslearner <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Rayaduji, Bala, > > Manoshi, > > > > > > > Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > Dadhi, Manu and > > > > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please share your view for the following 2 > scenarios: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If there is full Sat + Jup delay and Sat delay > > ends > > > > when > > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > already transiting 7th house , does it imply that > > Sat > > > and > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > > end at the same time? If not, when will Jupiter > > delay > > > end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I am analysing a chart where there is a full > > Jupiter > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > delay ends in the antra of Jupiter. Jupiter is > > strong > > > for > > > > > > most > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > houses. However Jupiter is not LoD or LoE for the > > focus > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter being SD to Moon give the results? If so in > > > which > > > > > > > sector > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > this happen? 1st one-third or last one-third? (Moon > > is > > > > NOT > > > > > > LoD > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > LoE > > > > > > > > > > but is a strong signifactor. There are no zeros in > > the > > > > SAV ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn > > > > something > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > Click here > > > > > > > > > > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on > > > India > > > > > > Click > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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