Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Ashji, I think this is the post you might be pointing about regarding to my query of samdhari and its strength... > Something else came to mind. I think you are thinking that SDs will > always step in for primary significator. That is not the case. SDs > will only step in if the main planet is not capable due to any > reason. > > Say for example Me was very strong for 5th house and assume its male > chart, but the native did not marry in Me antra as he was in delay > period, then Say nothing happens in Ketu antra and then say if Venus > is SD to Mercury the strongest signficator AND if it has good power > means it will be a good samdharmi to Mercury and so Venus can step > in that case. Again venus has to be studied carefully. It should > not be spoilt. > > Say think like this, if there are 2 friends in school. One is a > nice guy the topper in a class (highest points in WS) and the other > chap is a back bencher whos like a dodo and a mischief monger (say a > planet with less than 12 points). > > Now lets called the topper of the class as Planet A and the mischief > monger as Planet B. > > Now in the chart assume both these chaps come in the same sign. So > naturally they become samdharmi with means that they are supposed to > work together. > > Or u can say that for a project (child birth) both are supposed to > work together. > > But Planet B will always try to show the class that they are working > together (hypocrate) but if he gets a chance he will put planet A > into trouble. > > So it seems that both are working towards the project to make it a > success but one chap i.e planet B is not a good friend of Planet A. > So he will try to give to show the teacher that he is working but he > will fail, so there might be a conceptoin but say if there are other > factors like say Rahu and Ma aspecting 11th lord or 5th lord then > there might be a miscarriage. > > So that is why I say that the SD planet also should have good points > means that Planet B also should have more than 12 points in WS so in > that way he is not playing the role of mischief monger but is > genuinly intersted in giving the result. So in that case, say if > Planet A falls sick or student A falls sick then student B will take > his place and make the project a success. > > You can only imagine if Student A (the topper) falls sick on the day > of project presentation and Student B ( the miscief monger) has to > take his place as they are SD (workign on same project) then what > will be the final result. > > I hope u get the essence of what I am trying to expain. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > , " harjeet_bakshi " <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > alright i would try to find it, > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > If memory serves me right, I have written a long post on this same > > quetsion you have asked. I think someone had asked me that and I > > had explained it. > > Look it up, and post the link for others. > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks very much Ashji for the explanation. Now its clear that > > planets > > > in A B or C can give result. exceptions like if its jupiter in B it > > > would be aspecting C while mars in B would be aspecting A... > > similarly > > > saturn in A wont give the result as it aspects C too unless they > > are > > > samdhari to LoD or LoE or samdhari to powerful significator for > > that > > > house.... > > > > > > One more question what if the planet which is samdhari to powerful > > > significator or loD or LoE is weak in points in WS itself ? would > > it > > > deliver the result ? if not should it have >= 12 points aleast? > > > I hope i am not ambiguious. > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > A slight correction and I thiknk thats what you meant. > > > > > > > > i.e If a planet aspecting house A,B or C IS SD TO A POWREFUL > > PLANET > > > > in that case, it can be deputed to give the result. So here it > > wont > > > > act on its own to give result, but it will act for the powerful > > > > planet for who it is representing. Similalry keep NSD in mind > > > > also. > > > > > > > > Say, for example, Ju is in 7th house and Ma is in 4th house with > > 3 > > > > bindus and Ju is with 6 bindus. So here Mars aspects House C > > and > > > > B=7 and Ju aspects House C. So, say in Mars MD starts in delay > > > > period, then in that case say delay period is on in mars antra > > and > > > > then rahu antra so when Ju antra comes then Ju can give result > > > > despite it aspects house C (ofcouse keeping all our laws in > > mind) > > > > and this is due to fact that its SD to powerful Mars who's antra > > is > > > > over, so Ju will act and step in for Mars and furnish the result. > > > > > > > > Ofcouse here assume Mars or Ju is not 6th lord, ju is not in > > libra > > > > etc etc etc. > > > > > > > > I hope that clarifies. > > > > > > > > Plantes in House A,B or C can give result, planets Aspecting > > A,B, C > > > > dont give result. Yes, for Ju and Mars u have to be more > > careful, > > > > when they are placed in House B. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > Thanks for bringing it out as i too thought till now that a > > planet > > > > if > > > > > its in A, B or C or aspects that house cant give the result. > > > > ofcourse > > > > > if its loD or LoE or there is a samdhari for it, is an > > exception. > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > Harjeet > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > you said " Mo is in house A therefore Mo can not > > > > > > give the event. " There is no law like that (as far as I > > know). A > > > > > > planet is unable to give marriage when it ASPECTS house, A, > > B or > > > > C > > > > > > given that it is not LoD or LoE. Placement of a particular > > > > planet in > > > > > > these houses do not withhold the event. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > Yes in the grooms chart.. he is going thru rahu antra > > which is > > > > > > > samdhari to moon and venus. venus is LoE for 7th house > > while > > > > moon > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the strongest significator for 7th house and second > > highest > > > > for 5th > > > > > > > and 12th. also for the 5th house venus is the karak while > > moon > > > > is > > > > > > with > > > > > > > jupiter in rasi hence its samdhari of loD for children(5th > > > > house) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > also venus which is samdhari to rahu happens to be with > > sun in > > > > rasi > > > > > > > and navamsa and hence samdhari to sun which is loE for 5th > > > > house. > > > > > > > venus one of the samdhari of rahu is weak in points for > > 5th > > > > 7th and > > > > > > > 12th but moon the other samdhari is very strong > > significator. > > > > > > > may be somewhere in lesson or archive its given too that > > if > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > happens in rahu antra its a chance of getting concieved in > > > > same > > > > > > antra too. > > > > > > > so as Ashji pointed out for marriage of the girl in ketu > > antra > > > > and > > > > > > > getting concieved in the same antra falls in line. > > > > > > > i hope Manoshi would let us know the fact after the events. > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ramesh > > mishra > > > > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Manoshi, Bala, Manu, Harjeet and all, > > > > > > > > I checked up the chart of groom. His chart does not > > show > > > > delay > > > > > > by > > > > > > > Sa but delay is due to Jup.Jup delay is nullified because > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > presence of blessings. > > > > > > > > This chart has one zero in SAV by Ma in 2nd house. So > > > > marriage > > > > > > may > > > > > > > happen in second sector. > > > > > > > > Su to Ve distance is < 3 deg which is only 23 min > > behind > > > > the > > > > > > Su. > > > > > > > Ve is weak in this chart compared to female chart. > > > > > > > > From lagna, Su, Mo and 7th from them is Ma/Ve in 5/9, > > > > Me/Ju in > > > > > > 6/8 > > > > > > > combination. Therefore only 30 points is accumulated. > > > > > > > > When you calculate the timing ,it is a case of > > marriage in > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > age which is 21 years for male chart.That time native was > > > > passing > > > > > > > through Su antara in Su main. > > > > > > > > Next Mo antara will follow. Mo is in house A therefore > > Mo > > > > can > > > > > > not > > > > > > > give the event. > > > > > > > > Next is Ma antara. Ma is 6th lord and occupies > > strongly > > > > with 6 > > > > > > > bindus in house E with Sa LoD. Ma is weak in WS for 7th so > > Ma > > > > will > > > > > > not > > > > > > > give the event. > > > > > > > > Next comes Ra antara. Ra is SD to Ve LoE. Ve is also > > LoB > > > > and > > > > > > > aspects house A . But Ve being LoE will dominate. Ve is > > also > > > > weak > > > > > > in > > > > > > > WS for 7th. So its SD is eager to give the result. > > > > > > > > Since their marriage is fixed in Feb 2007, Ra antara > > may > > > > > > perform > > > > > > > marriage in second sector i.e. before 20 Feb 2007. > > > > > > > > This TOB seems to be correct. I checked up the chart > > with > > > > Sg > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > also but that is not matching according to consequences. > > > > > > > > Since Manoshi told it is love marriage. This chart is > > > > showing > > > > > > love > > > > > > > marriage whereas I did not find the love marriage in > > girl's > > > > chart. > > > > > > May > > > > > > > be I could not find out. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Hajeet, NS, Ramesh, Manu, and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native is getting married in Feb 2007, got engaged > > last > > > > > > month. > > > > > > > > So Mercury is giving marriage. (Why 3rd sector? dont > > know) > > > > 12th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 5th house dont get activated. BUT it is a love marriage. > > The > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > know each other from a long time. One thing which may be > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > to know is that both charts match very well according to > > > > KAS. > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > may be the attraction overrides some laws. (I remember > > > > Krushna > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > saying that once). Ash can throw some light on this more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grooms birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > June 14th 1984 > > > > > > > > 17:07 hours > > > > > > > > 77E12, 28N36 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manu > > > > Batura " > > > > > > > > <manubatura@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Didi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would tend to support Harjeet's analysis. There is > > > > blessing > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > > I dont find any delays due to saturn and jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > although lord of 12th from B (6th) apsects house B, > > > > house C, > > > > > > loC, > > > > > > > > > > loE... but also loA is swagrahi and also happens to > > be > > > > LoB > > > > > > in A. > > > > > > > > > > there is blessings... lord of 1st and 9th house in > > rasi > > > > are > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > navpancham in navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > there are no zereos in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > so it shouldnt be a chart of delayed marriage... > > > > > > > > > > native might have married in the antra of mercury > > > > starting > > > > > > oct- > > > > > > > > 18-2204 > > > > > > > > > > onwards.. as mercury is the loE and the second > > strongest > > > > > > > > significator. > > > > > > > > > > may be around 28 jan - 9 feb 2005? > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > > > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to time this female's marriage. Is she > > married? or > > > > is > > > > > > it a > > > > > > > > > delayed > > > > > > > > > > > marriage case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here are the details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24th august 1984 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25N27 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 81E51 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - > > Answers > > > > India > > > > > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > > Messenger > > > > > > Version > > > > > > > 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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