Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Dear All, The native got married on May 31st 1985. He was running VENUS antra in Rahu Mahadasa. My reasoning: 1) Check Jupiter's delay-No delay 2)Check delay by Saturn- Yes. Saturn is showing full delay. Delay gets over on 26th September 1982. He was running ketu antra then. The delay period ended in that antra so I would neglect ketu though marriage may have been fixed during that period. There is complete delay so marriage should take place in 3rd sector but venus is NSD to Saturn so can give marriage in 1st sector (Saturn is LoE and if marriage happens in LoD or LoE it happens in 1st sector) but as Jupiter is in Libra (or dont know what could be other reason) there may be some more delay and marriage happened in 2nd sector. Well, truely speaking I would have timed it in Venus antra 3rd sector. Now, Venus is with 6th lord (well, well...sun or moon can never be 6th lords..Ramesh you are right), so even if venus is SD to 6th lord, it is not really with 6th lord. so no influence of 6th lord. Now talking about the quality of this marriage, everything seems to be happy and nice but we do not know what is the inside story. The person will never leave his wife (his 3 sectors of Jupiter and all high points in 7th) or talk about the bitter part of his life, will be sweet spoken etc. Children: June 1988 first child male born, May 1992 second child a daughter born.(dont ask me why) If conception was in Sun antra, then it makes sense. Profession: He is a consultant in IT industry (prgarammer). 1)from lagna, 10th house lord is Jupiter and is in navamsa of Jupiter. 2)from Moon, the same as above. 3)Venus comes strong considering 10th house from Sun. Venus (art/design) is in venus navamsa with mercury(communiacation). 4) This person is a poet, has artistic inclination. Ash has talked to Krushna ji about this chart and Krushna ji could time the marriage blindly. Ash if you would like to add more points to this. Thanks for participating Manoshi , " harjeet bakshi " <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > I guess Manoshi wont give you the answer unless u tell her your name > i can understand about spirit as spirits dont have any name > no offense just kidding > take care/regards > harjeet > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " > <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > Do we have the answers yet? > > > > NS > > > > , " Manoshi Chatterjee " > > <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear NS, > > > > > > I wish my astrological knowledge could solve the mystery of your > > > name ;-) > > > > > > Now, we all would have loved to know how you reached the > > conclusion. > > > May be I should also post ONLY the dates and not the > > > explanations...eh? and with my wierd id 'khallopapa'(not name). > > > > > > kidding... > > > > > > wait for the results. > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " nirvana_seeker3 " > > > <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > My attempt - > > > > > > > > The native got married in Sat/Sun period - 3rd sector - from June > > > > 9th, 1987 through October 3rd, 1987. > > > > > > > > The PDF - from 17th Sept 87 through 26th Sep 1987. > > > > > > > > NS > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > Chatterjee " > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bala for your attempt. Wait fot the results. Your > > > appraoach > > > > is > > > > > right Bala. > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , bala sosale > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi and all others, > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings. Here is my attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. There is a sa delay as Sa 3rd aspects C, 7th aspect > > > of > > > > > LoA and 10th aspects B. > > > > > > 2. Jupiter is not checking the delay. > > > > > > 3. Lord of 1st and 9th is in 6:8 so it does not stop > > > full > > > > > delay. > > > > > > 4. Sa delay ends when Sa moves 0 deg of Libra(As Natal > > > > > Saturn is in Scorpio). This is > > > > > > around 1st October of 1982. The native was > > running > > > > > Saturn/Ketu-sector 1. > > > > > > 5. Ketu acts as Mars only and has all good points for > > > 2nd, > > > > > 5th and 12th and also 13 for > > > > > > 7th house. So I will go with Sa/Ketu antra 3rd > > > sector. > > > > I > > > > > pick Mars and Venus for PDF > > > > > > 28th May 1983 to 10th May 1983. > > > > > > 6. Ven and Sun antra could have given children > > > > > > > > > > > > Profession: > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th from asdt is Jupiter and again Jupiter is in Sag > > in > > > > > Navamsa - Jupiter > > > > > > 10th from Sun is Venus(Taurus) and Ve is in Taurus so > > > Venus > > > > > > 10th from Moon is Jupiter(Pisces) and again Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju and venus has good points for all the houses so he > > > must > > > > > be doing well and happy > > > > > > with what he is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > For profession I will pick Teaching profession(Art > > > school > > > > > may be) or an attorney. > > > > > > > > > > > > His 11th points are good and better than 12th which > > > shows > > > > > more income than expenses. > > > > > > His DBCE points are not in ascending order so service > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the actual dates? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. 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Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Dear Manoshi, Thanks for the chart and analysis. Regards Bala Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Dear Manoshi, Thanks for the chart and explanation. I think you have covered all the points. The key point is that Sun and Moon do not take on property of 6th lord and when they rule 6th house it does not become a black hole. This is a special law given in lesson. This chart highlights this very important phenomenon. I think thats the reason many avoided Venus antra, and everyone saw that Venus has good power in 7th house along with others, however it was discarded due to its placement in 6th house and SD to Sun, as Sun was taken to be 6th house lord and its placed in 6th house was taken to be in black hole. However that is not correct due to above reason. With respect to 2nd sector. Here Venus is NSD to delay causing planet who is LoE however at the same time Venus and Sa make 4:10 and Ve is in 6th house with more than 4 bindus and Sa is in 4th place from Venus with less than 4 bindus so here Saturn opposes Venus (4:10). So here, event cannot happen in 1st sector, and it will shift to 2nd sector. So, this highlights the point that we must study sector also in great detail to see not only moderation but also 4:10 influences as well and this will come with practice on more and more charts. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Manoshi Chatterjee " <khallopapa wrote: > > Dear All, > > The native got married on May 31st 1985. He was running VENUS antra > in Rahu Mahadasa. > > My reasoning: > > 1) Check Jupiter's delay-No delay > > 2)Check delay by Saturn- Yes. > > Saturn is showing full delay. Delay gets over on 26th September 1982. > He was running ketu antra then. The delay period ended in that antra > so I would neglect ketu though marriage may have been fixed during > that period. There is complete delay so marriage should take place in > 3rd sector but venus is NSD to Saturn so can give marriage in 1st > sector (Saturn is LoE and if marriage happens in LoD or LoE it > happens in 1st sector) but as Jupiter is in Libra (or dont know what > could be other reason) there may be some more delay and marriage > happened in 2nd sector. Well, truely speaking I would have timed it > in Venus antra 3rd sector. Now, Venus is with 6th lord (well, > well...sun or moon can never be 6th lords..Ramesh you are right), so > even if venus is SD to 6th lord, it is not really with 6th lord. so > no influence of 6th lord. Now talking about the quality of this > marriage, everything seems to be happy and nice but we do not know > what is the inside story. The person will never leave his wife (his 3 > sectors of Jupiter and all high points in 7th) or talk about the > bitter part of his life, will be sweet spoken etc. > > Children: > > June 1988 first child male born, May 1992 second child a daughter > born.(dont ask me why) If conception was in Sun antra, then it makes > sense. > > Profession: > > He is a consultant in IT industry (prgarammer). > > 1)from lagna, 10th house lord is Jupiter and is in navamsa of Jupiter. > 2)from Moon, the same as above. > 3)Venus comes strong considering 10th house from Sun. Venus > (art/design) is in venus navamsa with mercury(communiacation). > 4) This person is a poet, has artistic inclination. > > Ash has talked to Krushna ji about this chart and Krushna ji could > time the marriage blindly. Ash if you would like to add more points > to this. > > Thanks for participating > > Manoshi > > , " harjeet bakshi " > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > I guess Manoshi wont give you the answer unless u tell her your > name > > i can understand about spirit as spirits dont have any name > > no offense just kidding > > take care/regards > > harjeet > > > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " > > <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > Do we have the answers yet? > > > > > > NS > > > > > > , " Manoshi > Chatterjee " > > > <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear NS, > > > > > > > > I wish my astrological knowledge could solve the mystery of > your > > > > name ;-) > > > > > > > > Now, we all would have loved to know how you reached the > > > conclusion. > > > > May be I should also post ONLY the dates and not the > > > > explanations...eh? and with my wierd id 'khallopapa'(not name). > > > > > > > > kidding... > > > > > > > > wait for the results. > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " nirvana_seeker3 " > > > > <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > My attempt - > > > > > > > > > > The native got married in Sat/Sun period - 3rd sector - from > June > > > > > 9th, 1987 through October 3rd, 1987. > > > > > > > > > > The PDF - from 17th Sept 87 through 26th Sep 1987. > > > > > > > > > > NS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bala for your attempt. Wait fot the results. Your > > > > appraoach > > > > > is > > > > > > right Bala. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , bala > sosale > > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi and all others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings. Here is my attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. There is a sa delay as Sa 3rd aspects C, 7th > aspect > > > > of > > > > > > LoA and 10th aspects B. > > > > > > > 2. Jupiter is not checking the delay. > > > > > > > 3. Lord of 1st and 9th is in 6:8 so it does not > stop > > > > full > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > 4. Sa delay ends when Sa moves 0 deg of Libra(As > Natal > > > > > > Saturn is in Scorpio). This is > > > > > > > around 1st October of 1982. The native was > > > running > > > > > > Saturn/Ketu-sector 1. > > > > > > > 5. Ketu acts as Mars only and has all good points > for > > > > 2nd, > > > > > > 5th and 12th and also 13 for > > > > > > > 7th house. So I will go with Sa/Ketu antra 3rd > > > > sector. > > > > > I > > > > > > pick Mars and Venus for PDF > > > > > > > 28th May 1983 to 10th May 1983. > > > > > > > 6. Ven and Sun antra could have given children > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Profession: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th from asdt is Jupiter and again Jupiter is in > Sag > > > in > > > > > > Navamsa - Jupiter > > > > > > > 10th from Sun is Venus(Taurus) and Ve is in Taurus > so > > > > Venus > > > > > > > 10th from Moon is Jupiter(Pisces) and again > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju and venus has good points for all the houses so > he > > > > must > > > > > > be doing well and happy > > > > > > > with what he is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For profession I will pick Teaching profession(Art > > > > school > > > > > > may be) or an attorney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His 11th points are good and better than 12th > which > > > > shows > > > > > > more income than expenses. > > > > > > > His DBCE points are not in ascending order so > service > > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the actual dates? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > Check > > > > it > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Dear Guru ji, Ash, Manoshi and list members, Earlier I had once thought of Ve antara in third sector to show the event of marriage in respect of this chart. But after a lot of thinking and churning my mind I rejected this antara due to the reasons mentioned therein. 1. Ve is in 6th house and aspected by Ma and Sa both. 2. Ve is in rasi of Sun and combined with Sun. 3. Ve is in 6th house in navamsa too and there also it is aspected by Ma and Sa. 4. 7th lord Me is in 12th from 7th in rasi and navamsa both thus 7th house becomes spoiled. 5. Ju is in libra and being NK for 5th and 2nd (family) is also spoled. Based on the above facts I am unable to digest the happenings of marriage in Ve antara. Though this happened. Now the case of child birth.He got first male child in Mo antara (2nd sector) of Sa main. For the 5th house matter LoB Mo is in 12th from B. Mo is weak with 9 points in WS. Total of A+B+C is only 9.FK Sa for 5th is also weak and Nk Ju as you know is in libra and falls in RA/Ke axis. LoD is Ma and LoE is Ju. Both has strong points in WS. sav points in house B is 24 and that in house A is 23. Both are low. I could not understand how Mo antara blessed him with child and that too in second sector.When A,B and C or their lord is aspected by Sa causing full delay for 5th house matter. To satisfy yourself you may say that Mo is NSD of Ma (LoD). What about his second female child it happened in Ra antara. Ra is ofcourse like Ma but it is more like Ve.It was probably in third sector of Ra. I have seen few charts in the past having Ve in 6th house. The native is still unmarried.May be the other factors also included. I searched all those charts in my computer but I did not find those.I might have deleted .Otherwise I would have given you charts.Once I posted one chart in this list for your analysis but it remained unattended by the fellow members.It must be somewhere in the archives. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Manoshi, > Thanks for the chart and explanation. I think you have covered all > the points. > > The key point is that Sun and Moon do not take on property of 6th lord > and when they rule 6th house it does not become a black hole. This is > a special law given in lesson. > > This chart highlights this very important phenomenon. I think thats > the reason many avoided Venus antra, and everyone saw that Venus has > good power in 7th house along with others, however it was discarded > due to its placement in 6th house and SD to Sun, as Sun was taken to > be 6th house lord and its placed in 6th house was taken to be in black > hole. However that is not correct due to above reason. > > With respect to 2nd sector. Here Venus is NSD to delay causing planet > who is LoE however at the same time Venus and Sa make 4:10 and Ve is > in 6th house with more than 4 bindus and Sa is in 4th place from Venus > with less than 4 bindus so here Saturn opposes Venus (4:10). > > So here, event cannot happen in 1st sector, and it will shift to 2nd > sector. > > So, this highlights the point that we must study sector also in great > detail to see not only moderation but also 4:10 influences as well and > this will come with practice on more and more charts. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " Manoshi Chatterjee " > <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > The native got married on May 31st 1985. He was running VENUS antra > > in Rahu Mahadasa. > > > > My reasoning: > > > > 1) Check Jupiter's delay-No delay > > > > 2)Check delay by Saturn- Yes. > > > > Saturn is showing full delay. Delay gets over on 26th September 1982. > > He was running ketu antra then. The delay period ended in that antra > > so I would neglect ketu though marriage may have been fixed during > > that period. There is complete delay so marriage should take place in > > 3rd sector but venus is NSD to Saturn so can give marriage in 1st > > sector (Saturn is LoE and if marriage happens in LoD or LoE it > > happens in 1st sector) but as Jupiter is in Libra (or dont know what > > could be other reason) there may be some more delay and marriage > > happened in 2nd sector. Well, truely speaking I would have timed it > > in Venus antra 3rd sector. Now, Venus is with 6th lord (well, > > well...sun or moon can never be 6th lords..Ramesh you are right), so > > even if venus is SD to 6th lord, it is not really with 6th lord. so > > no influence of 6th lord. Now talking about the quality of this > > marriage, everything seems to be happy and nice but we do not know > > what is the inside story. The person will never leave his wife (his 3 > > sectors of Jupiter and all high points in 7th) or talk about the > > bitter part of his life, will be sweet spoken etc. > > > > Children: > > > > June 1988 first child male born, May 1992 second child a daughter > > born.(dont ask me why) If conception was in Sun antra, then it makes > > sense. > > > > Profession: > > > > He is a consultant in IT industry (prgarammer). > > > > 1)from lagna, 10th house lord is Jupiter and is in navamsa of Jupiter. > > 2)from Moon, the same as above. > > 3)Venus comes strong considering 10th house from Sun. Venus > > (art/design) is in venus navamsa with mercury(communiacation). > > 4) This person is a poet, has artistic inclination. > > > > Ash has talked to Krushna ji about this chart and Krushna ji could > > time the marriage blindly. Ash if you would like to add more points > > to this. > > > > Thanks for participating > > > > Manoshi > > > > , " harjeet bakshi " > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > I guess Manoshi wont give you the answer unless u tell her your > > name > > > i can understand about spirit as spirits dont have any name > > > no offense just kidding > > > take care/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > --- In , " nirvana_seeker3 " > > > <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Do we have the answers yet? > > > > > > > > NS > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > Chatterjee " > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear NS, > > > > > > > > > > I wish my astrological knowledge could solve the mystery of > > your > > > > > name ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Now, we all would have loved to know how you reached the > > > > conclusion. > > > > > May be I should also post ONLY the dates and not the > > > > > explanations...eh? and with my wierd id 'khallopapa'(not name). > > > > > > > > > > kidding... > > > > > > > > > > wait for the results. > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " > > > > > <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > My attempt - > > > > > > > > > > > > The native got married in Sat/Sun period - 3rd sector - from > > June > > > > > > 9th, 1987 through October 3rd, 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > The PDF - from 17th Sept 87 through 26th Sep 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > NS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > > <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bala for your attempt. Wait fot the results. Your > > > > > appraoach > > > > > > is > > > > > > > right Bala. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , bala > > sosale > > > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi and all others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings. Here is my attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. There is a sa delay as Sa 3rd aspects C, 7th > > aspect > > > > > of > > > > > > > LoA and 10th aspects B. > > > > > > > > 2. Jupiter is not checking the delay. > > > > > > > > 3. Lord of 1st and 9th is in 6:8 so it does not > > stop > > > > > full > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > 4. Sa delay ends when Sa moves 0 deg of Libra (As > > Natal > > > > > > > Saturn is in Scorpio). This is > > > > > > > > around 1st October of 1982. The native was > > > > running > > > > > > > Saturn/Ketu-sector 1. > > > > > > > > 5. Ketu acts as Mars only and has all good points > > for > > > > > 2nd, > > > > > > > 5th and 12th and also 13 for > > > > > > > > 7th house. So I will go with Sa/Ketu antra 3rd > > > > > sector. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > pick Mars and Venus for PDF > > > > > > > > 28th May 1983 to 10th May 1983. > > > > > > > > 6. Ven and Sun antra could have given children > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Profession: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th from asdt is Jupiter and again Jupiter is in > > Sag > > > > in > > > > > > > Navamsa - Jupiter > > > > > > > > 10th from Sun is Venus(Taurus) and Ve is in Taurus > > so > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > 10th from Moon is Jupiter(Pisces) and again > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju and venus has good points for all the houses so > > he > > > > > must > > > > > > > be doing well and happy > > > > > > > > with what he is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For profession I will pick Teaching profession (Art > > > > > school > > > > > > > may be) or an attorney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His 11th points are good and better than 12th > > which > > > > > shows > > > > > > > more income than expenses. > > > > > > > > His DBCE points are not in ascending order so > > service > > > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the actual dates? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > Check > > > > > it > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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