Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Here is my attempt: 1)Saturn delay: full delay 2)Jupiter delay: yes 3)Jupiter cannot check delay. This person has a very domestic wife. He is pretty egoistic but is a satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it ego or whatever). Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very passionate person, may have inclinations towards multiple relationships, though may be not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is satisfied with his conjugal life). Timing marriage: Marriage delay is over on approx. 22nd jan 1986 when Jupiter transits aquarius, the natal seventh house. He is running Mercury antra. Mercury is aspected by 6th lord in navamsa. Did he get married in Ketu antra which is from 1986-Sep-13 to 1987-Aug-20 --Manoshi , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Hello, > > Here is another quiz. When did this native marry? > > Nov, 25, 1960 > 12:22 AM > 38N53, 77W02 EST +5.00 > > Should get Simha(Leo) lagna > > Satish > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Hi, my calculation also come up to 3rd sector of ketu antra.. but for some reason i dont want to go with it. i think its case of more delayed marriage. i know i am wrong but i would say 3rd sector of moon antra... somewhere first half of 1995. thanks/regards harjeet , " Manoshi Chatterjee " <khallopapa wrote: > > Here is my attempt: > > 1)Saturn delay: full delay > 2)Jupiter delay: yes > 3)Jupiter cannot check delay. > > This person has a very domestic wife. He is pretty egoistic but is a > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it ego or whatever). > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very passionate person, > may have inclinations towards multiple relationships, though may be > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is satisfied with his > conjugal life). > > Timing marriage: Marriage delay is over on approx. 22nd jan 1986 when > Jupiter transits aquarius, the natal seventh house. He is running > Mercury antra. Mercury is aspected by 6th lord in navamsa. > > Did he get married in Ketu antra which is > > from 1986-Sep-13 to 1987-Aug-20 > > --Manoshi > > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Here is another quiz. When did this native marry? > > > > Nov, 25, 1960 > > 12:22 AM > > 38N53, 77W02 EST +5.00 > > > > Should get Simha(Leo) lagna > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > ______________ > > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > > Ask your question on www.Answers. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Hello, Thanks Manoshi, Bala, Harjeeet and others who attempted this quiz. The native got married on sept 21, 1996, in Shani- shani dasha. One can see shani giving marriage as seventh lord. But from KAS principles I am not sure why shani-shani gave marriage. The native was a high profile personality and died in june 1999 at the age of 38 in shani-budh dasha ( Both lords of maraka sthaan, 7th and 2nd). I am not experienced in KAS to predict death in shani-budh. May be ash can explain some of the intricacies of this chart. This is chart of John Kennedy Jr. Father died when he was a few days shy of 3rd birth day. Father was elected to presidency 17 dyas before birth of the native. Its a very interesting chart and I hope we spend some time on this chart to understand tumultous events in thsi chart. Thanks Satish --- Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa wrote: > Here is my attempt: > > 1)Saturn delay: full delay > 2)Jupiter delay: yes > 3)Jupiter cannot check delay. > > This person has a very domestic wife. He is pretty > egoistic but is a > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it > ego or whatever). > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very > passionate person, > may have inclinations towards multiple > relationships, though may be > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is > satisfied with his > conjugal life). > > Timing marriage: Marriage delay is over on approx. > 22nd jan 1986 when > Jupiter transits aquarius, the natal seventh house. > He is running > Mercury antra. Mercury is aspected by 6th lord in > navamsa. > > Did he get married in Ketu antra which is > > from 1986-Sep-13 to 1987-Aug-20 > > --Manoshi > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Here is another quiz. When did this native marry? > > > > Nov, 25, 1960 > > 12:22 AM > > 38N53, 77W02 EST +5.00 > > > > Should get Simha(Leo) lagna > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > ______________ > > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from > people who know. > > Ask your question on www.Answers. > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Satish, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet and all, First thing is the authenticity of birth time. Everything about JFK and their family seems to be in a shroud of mystery. Secondly, from the literature I have read on internet, it seems that JFK Jr was a c-section baby. So we must keep an open mind or rather such things in the back of mind when reading the charts of Big Personalities. Mind you, that I am not saying that this birth time is wrong or right, the true test of that would be to do a full fledged rectification process and for that we need so much of data, time and energy. Now assuming that this birth time is correct the just see how all have analysed this chart. Now see what Manoshi wrote " This person has a very domestic wife. He is pretty egoistic but is a satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it ego or whatever). Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very passionate person, may have inclinations towards multiple relationships, though may be not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is satisfied with his conjugal life). " I think this is quite a fair assessment of JFK Jr, BASED ON LITERATURE AVAILABLE OR MEDIA PORTRAYAL OF JFK JR. Harjeet wrote " Hi, my calculation also come up to 3rd sector of ketu antra.. but for some reason i dont want to go with it. i think its case of more delayed marriage. i know i am wrong but i would say 3rd sector of moon antra... somewhere first half of 1995. thanks/regards harjeet " ASH: HERE SOMETHING WAS STRIKING HARJEET AND HE DELAYED THE MARRIAGE EVEN FURTHER. Ramesh wrote : " Hello Satish, I got the asc.for this chart as 17 Le 46. I reached to the decision that native married sometime in Jan 1992 during Mo antara in Ju main. Full delay by Sa and Ju both. All the significators are strong for 7th house matter.Should give timely marriage but it did not. The delay is over on 13 Dec 1984. This chart indicates love marriage and it should be performed in lowest point.But all significator's point is >12. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra " ASH: YES, here the degree should be 19Le33, but that might be the same problem experienced earlier with Shashank, i.e. one when opens a saved chart might have to force a re-calc of the WS by changing something on the chart like birth time by a minute and changing it back or changing some transit date or something that way, the degree of planets will re-set. The same degree NS got. Now, here Ramesh has done very good assessment, he said there is love marriage and JFK Jr is said to have affairs with Madonna, Sarah Jessica Parker and Daryl Hanna. The date are not given. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy,_Jr. Ramesh, also said one important thing that this marriage should be done in low points however here all power are 12 ore more than 12. Ramesh, however, what about 6th lord Ramesh. Saturn is also 6th lord and it has 12 points, so borderline. Now, if you go deeper into studying saturn you can see that its basic power is 7 only and if u go further in depth for quality, you can take out the points of 6th lord one more time to offset the negative and you will see Sa means deduct Sa's benefic aspect of +6 on ABC so that is +18 so deduct -18 points from total of 12 so u will get -6 along with basic strength of 7 for 7th house. Ofcouse now, w.r.t timing, marraige in 6th lord means some problems. Ramesh when we say lowest points we means direct power and also say 6th lord is also malefic for marraige. Here Saturn is 6th lord and 7th lord so here you can go into further detail to judge. Now, w.r.t timing of event, if marriage happens in lowest points of 6th lord then................... problems. So now, if u see Saturn has highest power for 2nd house, which is death of wife as well. So u can say that saturn gave marriage and also problems or unhappy as it also caused death of spouse along with the native itself. Saturn is also SD to Sun who is highest significator for 8th house. Saturn also has 14 points and its also placed in House D for 8th as B. So Sa is placed in House D and its SD to LoE and also LoD. MD is that of Saturn and that is karak for 12th and 11th and leave it at that. So Ramesh, your Tark was correct about marriage in lowest points .. only thing u overlooked was that 6th lord is also malefic so marriage in low points or 6th lord means ............. that can't be manipulated. Samrat Sammy can also read this, as another example of what I mean with marriage in lowest points or 6th lord..... Now with regards to delay, Sa is in 5th house so there is delay, and then Ju might cause further delay, Ma aspects 5th house and Venus is there in 5th house along with 7th lord so that can show love marriage and this is as per Indian standards. This chart is also showing atleast 3 strong relationships, so maybe the dates that all got were giving these dates of affairs, or strong relationships. This is a unique chart, ending with natives own death and along with his wife. Now, death occurred on 16th July 1999 so sun was transiting sign of moon and nakshtra of Jupiter. Jupiter highest 2nd highest for 8th and Moon is SD to most powerful planet for 8th i.e. Sun. So Moon can step in. Next, for death of wife, Moon has highest power for 2nd house and Jupiter has 15 points for 2nd and is SD to Sa who has highest. So for both Sun's transit might trigger 2nd and 8th house. In this case, marriage in 6th lord lead to extreme case of death of spouse. May their soul rest in peace. Ash->http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Hello, > > Thanks Manoshi, Bala, Harjeeet and others who > attempted this quiz. > > The native got married on sept 21, 1996, in Shani- > shani dasha. > > One can see shani giving marriage as seventh lord. But > from KAS principles I am not sure why shani-shani gave > marriage. The native was a high profile personality > and died in june 1999 at the age of 38 in shani-budh > dasha ( Both lords of maraka sthaan, 7th and 2nd). I > am not experienced in KAS to predict death in > shani-budh. May be ash can explain some of the > intricacies of this chart. This is chart of John > Kennedy Jr. Father died when he was a few days shy of > 3rd birth day. Father was elected to presidency 17 > dyas before birth of the native. Its a very > interesting chart and I hope we spend some time on > this chart to understand tumultous events in thsi > chart. > > Thanks > > Satish > --- Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa wrote: > > > Here is my attempt: > > > > 1)Saturn delay: full delay > > 2)Jupiter delay: yes > > 3)Jupiter cannot check delay. > > > > This person has a very domestic wife. He is pretty > > egoistic but is a > > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it > > ego or whatever). > > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very > > passionate person, > > may have inclinations towards multiple > > relationships, though may be > > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is > > satisfied with his > > conjugal life). > > > > Timing marriage: Marriage delay is over on approx. > > 22nd jan 1986 when > > Jupiter transits aquarius, the natal seventh house. > > He is running > > Mercury antra. Mercury is aspected by 6th lord in > > navamsa. > > > > Did he get married in Ketu antra which is > > > > from 1986-Sep-13 to 1987-Aug-20 > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Here is another quiz. When did this native marry? > > > > > > Nov, 25, 1960 > > > 12:22 AM > > > 38N53, 77W02 EST +5.00 > > > > > > Should get Simha(Leo) lagna > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > ______________ > > > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from > > people who know. > > > Ask your question on www.Answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Group, I forgot to add, from this chart death of his father in Ra/Ra antra. Ra is in 1st house and in House D for 4th as B and its SD to highest power planet and most eager being in House D gave death to his father. Sun has highest power for 4th house of 28 and Ra is in House D so most eager to furnish timing. Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Satish, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet and all, > > First thing is the authenticity of birth time. Everything about JFK > and their family seems to be in a shroud of mystery. > > Secondly, from the literature I have read on internet, it seems that > JFK Jr was a c-section baby. > > So we must keep an open mind or rather such things in the back of mind > when reading the charts of Big Personalities. > > Mind you, that I am not saying that this birth time is wrong or right, > the true test of that would be to do a full fledged rectification > process and for that we need so much of data, time and energy. > > Now assuming that this birth time is correct the just see how all have > analysed this chart. > > Now see what Manoshi wrote > > " This person has a very domestic wife. He is pretty egoistic but is a > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it ego or whatever). > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very passionate person, > may have inclinations towards multiple relationships, though may be > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is satisfied with his > conjugal life). " > > I think this is quite a fair assessment of JFK Jr, BASED ON LITERATURE > AVAILABLE OR MEDIA PORTRAYAL OF JFK JR. > > Harjeet wrote > > " Hi, > my calculation also come up to 3rd sector of ketu antra.. but for some > reason i dont want to go with it. > i think its case of more delayed marriage. > i know i am wrong but i would say 3rd sector of moon antra... > somewhere first half of 1995. > thanks/regards > harjeet " > > ASH: HERE SOMETHING WAS STRIKING HARJEET AND HE DELAYED THE MARRIAGE > EVEN FURTHER. > > > Ramesh wrote : > > " Hello Satish, > I got the asc.for this chart as 17 Le 46. > I reached to the decision that native married sometime in Jan 1992 > during Mo antara in Ju main. > Full delay by Sa and Ju both. > All the significators are strong for 7th house matter.Should give > timely marriage but it did not. > The delay is over on 13 Dec 1984. > This chart indicates love marriage and it should be performed in > lowest point.But all significator's point is >12. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra " > > > ASH: YES, here the degree should be 19Le33, but that might be the same > problem experienced earlier with Shashank, i.e. one when opens a saved > chart might have to force a re-calc of the WS by changing something on > the chart like birth time by a minute and changing it back or changing > some transit date or something that way, the degree of planets will > re-set. The same degree NS got. > > Now, here Ramesh has done very good assessment, he said there is love > marriage and JFK Jr is said to have affairs with Madonna, Sarah > Jessica Parker and Daryl Hanna. The date are not given. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy,_Jr. > > Ramesh, also said one important thing that this marriage should be > done in low points however here all power are 12 ore more than 12. > > Ramesh, however, what about 6th lord Ramesh. Saturn is also 6th lord > and it has 12 points, so borderline. > > Now, if you go deeper into studying saturn you can see that its basic > power is 7 only and if u go further in depth for quality, you can take > out the points of 6th lord one more time to offset the negative and > you will see Sa means deduct Sa's benefic aspect of +6 on ABC so that > is +18 so deduct -18 points from total of 12 so u will get -6 along > with basic strength of 7 for 7th house. > > Ofcouse now, w.r.t timing, marraige in 6th lord means some problems. > > Ramesh when we say lowest points we means direct power and also say > 6th lord is also malefic for marraige. > > Here Saturn is 6th lord and 7th lord so here you can go into further > detail to judge. > > Now, w.r.t timing of event, if marriage happens in lowest points of > 6th lord then................... problems. > > So now, if u see Saturn has highest power for 2nd house, which is > death of wife as well. > > So u can say that saturn gave marriage and also problems or unhappy as > it also caused death of spouse along with the native itself. > > Saturn is also SD to Sun who is highest significator for 8th house. > Saturn also has 14 points and its also placed in House D for 8th as B. > > So Sa is placed in House D and its SD to LoE and also LoD. > > MD is that of Saturn and that is karak for 12th and 11th and leave it > at that. > > So Ramesh, your Tark was correct about marriage in lowest points .. > only thing u overlooked was that 6th lord is also malefic so marriage > in low points or 6th lord means ............. that can't be manipulated. > > Samrat Sammy can also read this, as another example of what I mean > with marriage in lowest points or 6th lord..... > > Now with regards to delay, Sa is in 5th house so there is delay, and > then Ju might cause further delay, Ma aspects 5th house and Venus is > there in 5th house along with 7th lord so that can show love marriage > and this is as per Indian standards. > > This chart is also showing atleast 3 strong relationships, so maybe > the dates that all got were giving these dates of affairs, or strong > relationships. > > This is a unique chart, ending with natives own death and along with > his wife. > > Now, death occurred on 16th July 1999 so sun was transiting sign of > moon and nakshtra of Jupiter. > > Jupiter highest 2nd highest for 8th and Moon is SD to most powerful > planet for 8th i.e. Sun. So Moon can step in. > > Next, for death of wife, Moon has highest power for 2nd house and > Jupiter has 15 points for 2nd and is SD to Sa who has highest. > > So for both Sun's transit might trigger 2nd and 8th house. > > In this case, marriage in 6th lord lead to extreme case of death of > spouse. > > May their soul rest in peace. > > Ash->http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Thanks Manoshi, Bala, Harjeeet and others who > > attempted this quiz. > > > > The native got married on sept 21, 1996, in Shani- > > shani dasha. > > > > One can see shani giving marriage as seventh lord. But > > from KAS principles I am not sure why shani-shani gave > > marriage. The native was a high profile personality > > and died in june 1999 at the age of 38 in shani-budh > > dasha ( Both lords of maraka sthaan, 7th and 2nd). I > > am not experienced in KAS to predict death in > > shani-budh. May be ash can explain some of the > > intricacies of this chart. This is chart of John > > Kennedy Jr. Father died when he was a few days shy of > > 3rd birth day. Father was elected to presidency 17 > > dyas before birth of the native. Its a very > > interesting chart and I hope we spend some time on > > this chart to understand tumultous events in thsi > > chart. > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > --- Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > > Here is my attempt: > > > > > > 1)Saturn delay: full delay > > > 2)Jupiter delay: yes > > > 3)Jupiter cannot check delay. > > > > > > This person has a very domestic wife. He is pretty > > > egoistic but is a > > > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it > > > ego or whatever). > > > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very > > > passionate person, > > > may have inclinations towards multiple > > > relationships, though may be > > > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is > > > satisfied with his > > > conjugal life). > > > > > > Timing marriage: Marriage delay is over on approx. > > > 22nd jan 1986 when > > > Jupiter transits aquarius, the natal seventh house. > > > He is running > > > Mercury antra. Mercury is aspected by 6th lord in > > > navamsa. > > > > > > Did he get married in Ketu antra which is > > > > > > from 1986-Sep-13 to 1987-Aug-20 > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Here is another quiz. When did this native marry? > > > > > > > > Nov, 25, 1960 > > > > 12:22 AM > > > > 38N53, 77W02 EST +5.00 > > > > > > > > Should get Simha(Leo) lagna > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > > ______________ > > > > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from > > > people who know. > > > > Ask your question on www.Answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > Be a PS3 game guru. > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > Games. > > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Satish and Group, After digging around the cyber world I found some additional information. JFK Jr graduated from NYU in 1989 so that is in Ve antra. Ve has highest power for 5th house and is LoE. So that checks. JFK's mother expired in 1994 so that was in Rahu antra again. Ra is SD to Venus who is LoE for 10th. Apparently JFK dated Madonna in 1988 - Venus antra There after JFK dated Daryl Hanna from 1990 to 1994 And then is wife Carolyn Bassette from 1996 to 1999 which resulted in Marriage. The reference from where I got this info is. http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/people/dating/john-f-kennedy-jr.htm I have no idea of the authenticity of this however its interesting to note that all these dates and times coming from KAS system are after the delay period as predicted by Ramesh, Manoshi, Bala, Harjeet and NS. I think way back, when Krushnaji had timed Donna's marriage too within a few days of her marriage date it came up with the time when Donna came close to her husband. You can look up that chat or exchange in the archives. KAS system is based on India and Indian culture and has to be interpreted accordingly as per Desh, Kaal Paatra principle. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Satish, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet and all, > > First thing is the authenticity of birth time. Everything about JFK > and their family seems to be in a shroud of mystery. > > Secondly, from the literature I have read on internet, it seems that > JFK Jr was a c-section baby. > > So we must keep an open mind or rather such things in the back of mind > when reading the charts of Big Personalities. > > Mind you, that I am not saying that this birth time is wrong or right, > the true test of that would be to do a full fledged rectification > process and for that we need so much of data, time and energy. > > Now assuming that this birth time is correct the just see how all have > analysed this chart. > > Now see what Manoshi wrote > > " This person has a very domestic wife. He is pretty egoistic but is a > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it ego or whatever). > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very passionate person, > may have inclinations towards multiple relationships, though may be > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is satisfied with his > conjugal life). " > > I think this is quite a fair assessment of JFK Jr, BASED ON LITERATURE > AVAILABLE OR MEDIA PORTRAYAL OF JFK JR. > > Harjeet wrote > > " Hi, > my calculation also come up to 3rd sector of ketu antra.. but for some > reason i dont want to go with it. > i think its case of more delayed marriage. > i know i am wrong but i would say 3rd sector of moon antra... > somewhere first half of 1995. > thanks/regards > harjeet " > > ASH: HERE SOMETHING WAS STRIKING HARJEET AND HE DELAYED THE MARRIAGE > EVEN FURTHER. > > > Ramesh wrote : > > " Hello Satish, > I got the asc.for this chart as 17 Le 46. > I reached to the decision that native married sometime in Jan 1992 > during Mo antara in Ju main. > Full delay by Sa and Ju both. > All the significators are strong for 7th house matter.Should give > timely marriage but it did not. > The delay is over on 13 Dec 1984. > This chart indicates love marriage and it should be performed in > lowest point.But all significator's point is >12. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra " > > > ASH: YES, here the degree should be 19Le33, but that might be the same > problem experienced earlier with Shashank, i.e. one when opens a saved > chart might have to force a re-calc of the WS by changing something on > the chart like birth time by a minute and changing it back or changing > some transit date or something that way, the degree of planets will > re-set. The same degree NS got. > > Now, here Ramesh has done very good assessment, he said there is love > marriage and JFK Jr is said to have affairs with Madonna, Sarah > Jessica Parker and Daryl Hanna. The date are not given. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy,_Jr. > > Ramesh, also said one important thing that this marriage should be > done in low points however here all power are 12 ore more than 12. > > Ramesh, however, what about 6th lord Ramesh. Saturn is also 6th lord > and it has 12 points, so borderline. > > Now, if you go deeper into studying saturn you can see that its basic > power is 7 only and if u go further in depth for quality, you can take > out the points of 6th lord one more time to offset the negative and > you will see Sa means deduct Sa's benefic aspect of +6 on ABC so that > is +18 so deduct -18 points from total of 12 so u will get -6 along > with basic strength of 7 for 7th house. > > Ofcouse now, w.r.t timing, marraige in 6th lord means some problems. > > Ramesh when we say lowest points we means direct power and also say > 6th lord is also malefic for marraige. > > Here Saturn is 6th lord and 7th lord so here you can go into further > detail to judge. > > Now, w.r.t timing of event, if marriage happens in lowest points of > 6th lord then................... problems. > > So now, if u see Saturn has highest power for 2nd house, which is > death of wife as well. > > So u can say that saturn gave marriage and also problems or unhappy as > it also caused death of spouse along with the native itself. > > Saturn is also SD to Sun who is highest significator for 8th house. > Saturn also has 14 points and its also placed in House D for 8th as B. > > So Sa is placed in House D and its SD to LoE and also LoD. > > MD is that of Saturn and that is karak for 12th and 11th and leave it > at that. > > So Ramesh, your Tark was correct about marriage in lowest points .. > only thing u overlooked was that 6th lord is also malefic so marriage > in low points or 6th lord means ............. that can't be manipulated. > > Samrat Sammy can also read this, as another example of what I mean > with marriage in lowest points or 6th lord..... > > Now with regards to delay, Sa is in 5th house so there is delay, and > then Ju might cause further delay, Ma aspects 5th house and Venus is > there in 5th house along with 7th lord so that can show love marriage > and this is as per Indian standards. > > This chart is also showing atleast 3 strong relationships, so maybe > the dates that all got were giving these dates of affairs, or strong > relationships. > > This is a unique chart, ending with natives own death and along with > his wife. > > Now, death occurred on 16th July 1999 so sun was transiting sign of > moon and nakshtra of Jupiter. > > Jupiter highest 2nd highest for 8th and Moon is SD to most powerful > planet for 8th i.e. Sun. So Moon can step in. > > Next, for death of wife, Moon has highest power for 2nd house and > Jupiter has 15 points for 2nd and is SD to Sa who has highest. > > So for both Sun's transit might trigger 2nd and 8th house. > > In this case, marriage in 6th lord lead to extreme case of death of > spouse. > > May their soul rest in peace. > > Ash->http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Thanks Manoshi, Bala, Harjeeet and others who > > attempted this quiz. > > > > The native got married on sept 21, 1996, in Shani- > > shani dasha. > > > > One can see shani giving marriage as seventh lord. But > > from KAS principles I am not sure why shani-shani gave > > marriage. The native was a high profile personality > > and died in june 1999 at the age of 38 in shani-budh > > dasha ( Both lords of maraka sthaan, 7th and 2nd). I > > am not experienced in KAS to predict death in > > shani-budh. May be ash can explain some of the > > intricacies of this chart. This is chart of John > > Kennedy Jr. Father died when he was a few days shy of > > 3rd birth day. Father was elected to presidency 17 > > dyas before birth of the native. Its a very > > interesting chart and I hope we spend some time on > > this chart to understand tumultous events in thsi > > chart. > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > --- Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > > Here is my attempt: > > > > > > 1)Saturn delay: full delay > > > 2)Jupiter delay: yes > > > 3)Jupiter cannot check delay. > > > > > > This person has a very domestic wife. He is pretty > > > egoistic but is a > > > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it > > > ego or whatever). > > > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very > > > passionate person, > > > may have inclinations towards multiple > > > relationships, though may be > > > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is > > > satisfied with his > > > conjugal life). > > > > > > Timing marriage: Marriage delay is over on approx. > > > 22nd jan 1986 when > > > Jupiter transits aquarius, the natal seventh house. > > > He is running > > > Mercury antra. Mercury is aspected by 6th lord in > > > navamsa. > > > > > > Did he get married in Ketu antra which is > > > > > > from 1986-Sep-13 to 1987-Aug-20 > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Here is another quiz. When did this native marry? > > > > > > > > Nov, 25, 1960 > > > > 12:22 AM > > > > 38N53, 77W02 EST +5.00 > > > > > > > > Should get Simha(Leo) lagna > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > > ______________ > > > > Need a quick answer? 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Ash, As he was born after his father won presidency, with all the media attention, in all probability the birth time is accurate. Also the lagna is not on the borderline so a few minutes difference may change navansha but rashi chart would be same. I am curious to know the reasoning behind Manoshi's description of pernonality traits. Also you mentioned about 6th lord points. Do we use the power from WS or do we qualify the points based on where they come from. I thought all that is quantified in the WS. Venus is not close to sun or is 43+ degrees away, he is not in any of the bad nakshatras, guru is not in tula rashi or navansha. Seventh house has overall good points. The fact that he married in 6th lords sub is cause for shortlived marriage? Thanks Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet and all, > > First thing is the authenticity of birth time. > Everything about JFK > and their family seems to be in a shroud of mystery. > > > Secondly, from the literature I have read on > internet, it seems that > JFK Jr was a c-section baby. > > So we must keep an open mind or rather such things > in the back of mind > when reading the charts of Big Personalities. > > Mind you, that I am not saying that this birth time > is wrong or right, > the true test of that would be to do a full fledged > rectification > process and for that we need so much of data, time > and energy. > > Now assuming that this birth time is correct the > just see how all have > analysed this chart. > ______________________________\ ____ Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Ash, The dates given there are only celebrity dates. It will be very surprising to me that he did not date anyone until 1988 till the age of 28. There is a possibility that it may not be serious.This information is ofcourse not known. Why did shani-budh give death? Also it was accidental death, can we see accident in this dasha? Thanks Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: ______________________________\ ____ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_tools.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Satish, The WS if proper for timing of event. So for that Sa = 12 for 7th house. Here I was telling Ramesh, to go in deeper to study the status of Saturn means quality. Satish, one thing, an event may happen (timing of event) but that does not mean a person is happy or enjoys it (Quality). So here, somewhere its given in the archives about deducting the equal points of 6th lord to find the quality but that has got nothing to do with timing of event. For timing of event we are not considering the +6 aspect on ABC house if u the the WS for H7. Please do not confuse this. Just go by WS for timing of event. So here 12 is the power of Sa for 7th house i.e. for timing of event. Keep aside Quality. That was only for Ramesh, as I think he is able to grasp this portion. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > As he was born after his father won presidency, with > all the media attention, in all probability the birth > time is accurate. Also the lagna is not on the > borderline so a few minutes difference may change > navansha but rashi chart would be same. > > I am curious to know the reasoning behind Manoshi's > description of pernonality traits. > > Also you mentioned about 6th lord points. Do we use > the power from WS or do we qualify the points based on > where they come from. I thought all that is quantified > in the WS. Venus is not close to sun or is 43+ degrees > away, he is not in any of the bad nakshatras, guru is > not in tula rashi or navansha. Seventh house has > overall good points. The fact that he married in 6th > lords sub is cause for shortlived marriage? > > Thanks > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet and all, > > > > First thing is the authenticity of birth time. > > Everything about JFK > > and their family seems to be in a shroud of mystery. > > > > > > Secondly, from the literature I have read on > > internet, it seems that > > JFK Jr was a c-section baby. > > > > So we must keep an open mind or rather such things > > in the back of mind > > when reading the charts of Big Personalities. > > > > Mind you, that I am not saying that this birth time > > is wrong or right, > > the true test of that would be to do a full fledged > > rectification > > process and for that we need so much of data, time > > and energy. > > > > Now assuming that this birth time is correct the > > just see how all have > > analysed this chart. > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Never miss an email again! > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Satish, All I can say with my current knowledge, is that Me is powerful for 8th house means more than 12 points. Other than that, I do not have any proper answer. I am sure there must be some calculation for it, which is not taught or covered. Only thing we can say then to answer your question, with my VERY LIMITED knowledge of this topic is that Me's power is 19 and that means its capable of giving death. Am I satisfied with this answer?.... No.. as all factors are not clear such as why Sa MD, why Me only, why accident etc, still some things are not clear 100% in my mind. For now, I will leave this and will re-visit it in time to come when I get more knowledge. But this chart is a difficult chart for the group, no doubt, and w.r.t marriage it is matching our laws. Means marriage in lowest points, broke or there was seperation and in this case permanent separation when high power planet came. Me is LoD for 2nd. So can give death to spouse too. So this chart affirms again that marriage in lowest points or 6th lord will break or when high power planets come or lod or loe or there are some problems. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > The dates given there are only celebrity dates. It > will be very surprising to me that he did not date > anyone until 1988 till the age of 28. There is a > possibility that it may not be serious.This > information is ofcourse not known. > > Why did shani-budh give death? Also it was accidental > death, can we see accident in this dasha? > > Thanks > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_tools.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear all, As Ash wrote " So here, somewhere its given in the archives about deducting the equal points of 6th lord to find the quality " 6th lord in any house reduces the result of dat house.In general we treat planets with more points , as benefic.For 6th lord its not so. 6th lord will reduce the results even, if it has more points.for getting the actual resultof 6th lord, treat the points of 6th lord as 8 MINUS the points. Anup ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Satish, The WS if proper for timing of event. So for that Sa = 12 for 7th house. Here I was telling Ramesh, to go in deeper to study the status of Saturn means quality. Satish, one thing, an event may happen (timing of event) but that does not mean a person is happy or enjoys it (Quality). So here, somewhere its given in the archives about deducting the equal points of 6th lord to find the quality but that has got nothing to do with timing of event. For timing of event we are not considering the +6 aspect on ABC house if u the the WS for H7. Please do not confuse this. Just go by WS for timing of event. So here 12 is the power of Sa for 7th house i.e. for timing of event. Keep aside Quality. That was only for Ramesh, as I think he is able to grasp this portion. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > As he was born after his father won presidency, with > all the media attention, in all probability the birth > time is accurate. Also the lagna is not on the > borderline so a few minutes difference may change > navansha but rashi chart would be same. > > I am curious to know the reasoning behind Manoshi's > description of pernonality traits. > > Also you mentioned about 6th lord points. Do we use > the power from WS or do we qualify the points based on > where they come from. I thought all that is quantified > in the WS. Venus is not close to sun or is 43+ degrees > away, he is not in any of the bad nakshatras, guru is > not in tula rashi or navansha. Seventh house has > overall good points. The fact that he married in 6th > lords sub is cause for shortlived marriage? > > Thanks > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet and all, > > > > First thing is the authenticity of birth time. > > Everything about JFK > > and their family seems to be in a shroud of mystery. > > > > > > Secondly, from the literature I have read on > > internet, it seems that > > JFK Jr was a c-section baby. > > > > So we must keep an open mind or rather such things > > in the back of mind > > when reading the charts of Big Personalities. > > > > Mind you, that I am not saying that this birth time > > is wrong or right, > > the true test of that would be to do a full fledged > > rectification > > process and for that we need so much of data, time > > and energy. > > > > Now assuming that this birth time is correct the > > just see how all have > > analysed this chart. > > > > > > > ________ > Never miss an email again! > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Anup, Yes, thats it, Thank you for looking that up Anup, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , x y <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear all, > As Ash wrote " > So here, somewhere its given in the archives about deducting the equal > points of 6th lord to find the quality " > > 6th lord in any house reduces the result of dat house.In general we treat > planets with more points , as benefic.For 6th lord its not so. 6th lord will reduce > the results even, if it has more points.for getting the actual resultof 6th lord, treat the points of 6th lord as 8 MINUS the points. > > Anup > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > The WS if proper for timing of event. So for that Sa = 12 for 7th house. > > Here I was telling Ramesh, to go in deeper to study the status of > Saturn means quality. > > Satish, one thing, an event may happen (timing of event) but that does > not mean a person is happy or enjoys it (Quality). > > So here, somewhere its given in the archives about deducting the equal > points of 6th lord to find the quality but that has got nothing to do > with timing of event. > > For timing of event we are not considering the +6 aspect on ABC house > if u the the WS for H7. > > Please do not confuse this. Just go by WS for timing of event. > > So here 12 is the power of Sa for 7th house i.e. for timing of event. > Keep aside Quality. That was only for Ramesh, as I think he is able > to grasp this portion. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > As he was born after his father won presidency, with > > all the media attention, in all probability the birth > > time is accurate. Also the lagna is not on the > > borderline so a few minutes difference may change > > navansha but rashi chart would be same. > > > > I am curious to know the reasoning behind Manoshi's > > description of pernonality traits. > > > > Also you mentioned about 6th lord points. Do we use > > the power from WS or do we qualify the points based on > > where they come from. I thought all that is quantified > > in the WS. Venus is not close to sun or is 43+ degrees > > away, he is not in any of the bad nakshatras, guru is > > not in tula rashi or navansha. Seventh house has > > overall good points. The fact that he married in 6th > > lords sub is cause for shortlived marriage? > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet and all, > > > > > > First thing is the authenticity of birth time. > > > Everything about JFK > > > and their family seems to be in a shroud of mystery. > > > > > > > > > Secondly, from the literature I have read on > > > internet, it seems that > > > JFK Jr was a c-section baby. > > > > > > So we must keep an open mind or rather such things > > > in the back of mind > > > when reading the charts of Big Personalities. > > > > > > Mind you, that I am not saying that this birth time > > > is wrong or right, > > > the true test of that would be to do a full fledged > > > rectification > > > process and for that we need so much of data, time > > > and energy. > > > > > > Now assuming that this birth time is correct the > > > just see how all have > > > analysed this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > Never miss an email again! > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > Bored stiff? Loosen up... > Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Ash, Thanks Ash for guidance and giving clear picture of the event.Only this type of explanation is needed for the learners of KAS.Many of us will be benefited with analysis of this type of chart. I greet hearty thanks to Satish also for giving this type of chart before the forum. Ash ! Truelly speaking I overlooked the presence of 6thlord Sa. Before that I found Mo antara as LoE and thus I forgot everything.In future I shall take special care. One thing I could not understand the death of his father in Ra main. How did you ascertain Ra as MD lord. Me is karaka for 4th house and placed in 3rd house (12th from 4th as B).Ra has no relationship with Me.Of course Ra ia in Me navamsa but Ra does not become SD to Me.Ra is SD to Ve and Su.It is more like Ve so Ra as LoE can act in place of Ve. But as MD lord how it came to play ? I think you will not mind for clearing this doubt. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Satish, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet and all, > > First thing is the authenticity of birth time. Everything about JFK > and their family seems to be in a shroud of mystery. > > Secondly, from the literature I have read on internet, it seems that > JFK Jr was a c-section baby. > > So we must keep an open mind or rather such things in the back of mind > when reading the charts of Big Personalities. > > Mind you, that I am not saying that this birth time is wrong or right, > the true test of that would be to do a full fledged rectification > process and for that we need so much of data, time and energy. > > Now assuming that this birth time is correct the just see how all have > analysed this chart. > > Now see what Manoshi wrote > > " This person has a very domestic wife. He is pretty egoistic but is a > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it ego or whatever). > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very passionate person, > may have inclinations towards multiple relationships, though may be > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is satisfied with his > conjugal life). " > > I think this is quite a fair assessment of JFK Jr, BASED ON LITERATURE > AVAILABLE OR MEDIA PORTRAYAL OF JFK JR. > > Harjeet wrote > > " Hi, > my calculation also come up to 3rd sector of ketu antra.. but for some > reason i dont want to go with it. > i think its case of more delayed marriage. > i know i am wrong but i would say 3rd sector of moon antra... > somewhere first half of 1995. > thanks/regards > harjeet " > > ASH: HERE SOMETHING WAS STRIKING HARJEET AND HE DELAYED THE MARRIAGE > EVEN FURTHER. > > > Ramesh wrote : > > " Hello Satish, > I got the asc.for this chart as 17 Le 46. > I reached to the decision that native married sometime in Jan 1992 > during Mo antara in Ju main. > Full delay by Sa and Ju both. > All the significators are strong for 7th house matter.Should give > timely marriage but it did not. > The delay is over on 13 Dec 1984. > This chart indicates love marriage and it should be performed in > lowest point.But all significator's point is >12. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra " > > > ASH: YES, here the degree should be 19Le33, but that might be the same > problem experienced earlier with Shashank, i.e. one when opens a saved > chart might have to force a re-calc of the WS by changing something on > the chart like birth time by a minute and changing it back or changing > some transit date or something that way, the degree of planets will > re-set. The same degree NS got. > > Now, here Ramesh has done very good assessment, he said there is love > marriage and JFK Jr is said to have affairs with Madonna, Sarah > Jessica Parker and Daryl Hanna. The date are not given. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy,_Jr. > > Ramesh, also said one important thing that this marriage should be > done in low points however here all power are 12 ore more than 12. > > Ramesh, however, what about 6th lord Ramesh. Saturn is also 6th lord > and it has 12 points, so borderline. > > Now, if you go deeper into studying saturn you can see that its basic > power is 7 only and if u go further in depth for quality, you can take > out the points of 6th lord one more time to offset the negative and > you will see Sa means deduct Sa's benefic aspect of +6 on ABC so that > is +18 so deduct -18 points from total of 12 so u will get -6 along > with basic strength of 7 for 7th house. > > Ofcouse now, w.r.t timing, marraige in 6th lord means some problems. > > Ramesh when we say lowest points we means direct power and also say > 6th lord is also malefic for marraige. > > Here Saturn is 6th lord and 7th lord so here you can go into further > detail to judge. > > Now, w.r.t timing of event, if marriage happens in lowest points of > 6th lord then................... problems. > > So now, if u see Saturn has highest power for 2nd house, which is > death of wife as well. > > So u can say that saturn gave marriage and also problems or unhappy as > it also caused death of spouse along with the native itself. > > Saturn is also SD to Sun who is highest significator for 8th house. > Saturn also has 14 points and its also placed in House D for 8th as B. > > So Sa is placed in House D and its SD to LoE and also LoD. > > MD is that of Saturn and that is karak for 12th and 11th and leave it > at that. > > So Ramesh, your Tark was correct about marriage in lowest points .. > only thing u overlooked was that 6th lord is also malefic so marriage > in low points or 6th lord means ............. that can't be manipulated. > > Samrat Sammy can also read this, as another example of what I mean > with marriage in lowest points or 6th lord..... > > Now with regards to delay, Sa is in 5th house so there is delay, and > then Ju might cause further delay, Ma aspects 5th house and Venus is > there in 5th house along with 7th lord so that can show love marriage > and this is as per Indian standards. > > This chart is also showing atleast 3 strong relationships, so maybe > the dates that all got were giving these dates of affairs, or strong > relationships. > > This is a unique chart, ending with natives own death and along with > his wife. > > Now, death occurred on 16th July 1999 so sun was transiting sign of > moon and nakshtra of Jupiter. > > Jupiter highest 2nd highest for 8th and Moon is SD to most powerful > planet for 8th i.e. Sun. So Moon can step in. > > Next, for death of wife, Moon has highest power for 2nd house and > Jupiter has 15 points for 2nd and is SD to Sa who has highest. > > So for both Sun's transit might trigger 2nd and 8th house. > > In this case, marriage in 6th lord lead to extreme case of death of > spouse. > > May their soul rest in peace. > > Ash->http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Thanks Manoshi, Bala, Harjeeet and others who > > attempted this quiz. > > > > The native got married on sept 21, 1996, in Shani- > > shani dasha. > > > > One can see shani giving marriage as seventh lord. But > > from KAS principles I am not sure why shani-shani gave > > marriage. The native was a high profile personality > > and died in june 1999 at the age of 38 in shani-budh > > dasha ( Both lords of maraka sthaan, 7th and 2nd). I > > am not experienced in KAS to predict death in > > shani-budh. May be ash can explain some of the > > intricacies of this chart. This is chart of John > > Kennedy Jr. Father died when he was a few days shy of > > 3rd birth day. Father was elected to presidency 17 > > dyas before birth of the native. Its a very > > interesting chart and I hope we spend some time on > > this chart to understand tumultous events in thsi > > chart. > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > --- Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa@> wrote: > > > > > Here is my attempt: > > > > > > 1)Saturn delay: full delay > > > 2)Jupiter delay: yes > > > 3)Jupiter cannot check delay. > > > > > > This person has a very domestic wife. He is pretty > > > egoistic but is a > > > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it > > > ego or whatever). > > > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very > > > passionate person, > > > may have inclinations towards multiple > > > relationships, though may be > > > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is > > > satisfied with his > > > conjugal life). > > > > > > Timing marriage: Marriage delay is over on approx. > > > 22nd jan 1986 when > > > Jupiter transits aquarius, the natal seventh house. > > > He is running > > > Mercury antra. Mercury is aspected by 6th lord in > > > navamsa. > > > > > > Did he get married in Ketu antra which is > > > > > > from 1986-Sep-13 to 1987-Aug-20 > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Here is another quiz. When did this native marry? > > > > > > > > Nov, 25, 1960 > > > > 12:22 AM > > > > 38N53, 77W02 EST +5.00 > > > > > > > > Should get Simha(Leo) lagna > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > > ______________ > > > > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from > > > people who know. > > > > Ask your question on www.Answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > > Be a PS3 game guru. > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > Games. > > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Ramesh,Ash For all the planets, navansha dispositor is treated as sadharmi. Does it not apply to rahu and ketu. Will not Rahu or ketu act as samadharmi to their navasha lords? Does the dictum that a planet in its sub( Not sure whether this applies to mahdasha lord as well) is inclined to give results for 4th and 8th from its station and 4th and 8th from its sign position, not apply to Rahu or Ketu. How do we treat their sign position? Does rahu in leo tends to give results for 4th and 8th from where sun is, as well as 4th and 8th from leo? Thanks Satish --- aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Ash, > Thanks Ash for guidance and giving clear picture of > the event.Only > this type of explanation is needed for the learners > of KAS.Many of > us will be benefited with analysis of this type of > chart. > I greet hearty thanks to Satish also for giving this > type of chart > before the forum. > Ash ! Truelly speaking I overlooked the presence of > 6thlord Sa. > Before that I found Mo antara as LoE and thus I > forgot everything.In > future I shall take special care. > One thing I could not understand the death of his > father in Ra main. > How did you ascertain Ra as MD lord. > Me is karaka for 4th house and placed in 3rd house > (12th from 4th as > B).Ra has no relationship with Me.Of course Ra ia in > Me navamsa but > Ra does not become SD to Me.Ra is SD to Ve and Su.It > is more like Ve > so Ra as LoE can act in place of Ve. > But as MD lord how it came to play ? > I think you will not mind for clearing this doubt. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > , > " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Satish, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet and all, > > > > First thing is the authenticity of birth time. > Everything about JFK > > and their family seems to be in a shroud of > mystery. > > > > Secondly, from the literature I have read on > internet, it seems that > > JFK Jr was a c-section baby. > > > > So we must keep an open mind or rather such things > in the back of > mind > > when reading the charts of Big Personalities. > > > > Mind you, that I am not saying that this birth > time is wrong or > right, > > the true test of that would be to do a full > fledged rectification > > process and for that we need so much of data, time > and energy. > > > > Now assuming that this birth time is correct the > just see how all > have > > analysed this chart. > > > > Now see what Manoshi wrote > > > > " This person has a very domestic wife. He is > pretty egoistic but is > a > > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it > ego or whatever). > > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very > passionate person, > > may have inclinations towards multiple > relationships, though may be > > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is > satisfied with > his > > conjugal life). " > > > > I think this is quite a fair assessment of JFK Jr, > BASED ON > LITERATURE > > AVAILABLE OR MEDIA PORTRAYAL OF JFK JR. > > > > Harjeet wrote > > > > " Hi, > > my calculation also come up to 3rd sector of ketu > antra.. but for > some > > reason i dont want to go with it. > > i think its case of more delayed marriage. > > i know i am wrong but i would say 3rd sector of > moon antra... > > somewhere first half of 1995. > > thanks/regards > > harjeet " > > > > ASH: HERE SOMETHING WAS STRIKING HARJEET AND HE > DELAYED THE > MARRIAGE > > EVEN FURTHER. > > > > > > Ramesh wrote : > > > > " Hello Satish, > > I got the asc.for this chart as 17 Le 46. > > I reached to the decision that native married > sometime in Jan 1992 > > during Mo antara in Ju main. > > Full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > All the significators are strong for 7th house > matter.Should give > > timely marriage but it did not. > > The delay is over on 13 Dec 1984. > > This chart indicates love marriage and it should > be performed in > > lowest point.But all significator's point is >12. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra " > > > > > > ASH: YES, here the degree should be 19Le33, but > that might be the > same > > problem experienced earlier with Shashank, i.e. > one when opens a > saved > > chart might have to force a re-calc of the WS by > changing something > on > > the chart like birth time by a minute and changing > it back or > changing > > some transit date or something that way, the > degree of planets will > > re-set. The same degree NS got. > > > > Now, here Ramesh has done very good assessment, he > said there is > love > > marriage and JFK Jr is said to have affairs with > Madonna, Sarah > > Jessica Parker and Daryl Hanna. The date are not > given. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy,_Jr. > > > > Ramesh, also said one important thing that this > marriage should be > > done in low points however here all power are 12 > ore more than 12. > > > > Ramesh, however, what about 6th lord Ramesh. > Saturn is also 6th > lord > > and it has 12 points, so borderline. > > > > Now, if you go deeper into studying saturn you can > see that its > basic > > power is 7 only and if u go further in depth for > quality, you can > take > > out the points of 6th lord one more time to offset > the negative and > > you will see Sa means deduct Sa's benefic aspect > of +6 on ABC so > that > > is +18 so deduct -18 points from total of 12 so u > will get -6 along > > with basic strength of 7 for 7th house. > > > > Ofcouse now, w.r.t timing, marraige in 6th lord > means some problems. > > > > Ramesh when we say lowest points we means direct > power and also say > > 6th lord is also malefic for marraige. > > > > Here Saturn is 6th lord and 7th lord so here you > can go into further > > detail to judge. > > > > Now, w.r.t timing of event, if marriage happens in > lowest points of > > 6th lord then................... problems. > > > > So now, if u see Saturn has highest power for 2nd > house, which is > > death of wife as well. > > > > So u can say that saturn gave marriage and also > problems or unhappy > as > > it also caused death of spouse along with the > native itself. > > > > Saturn is also SD to Sun who is highest > significator for 8th house. > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ No need to miss a message. 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Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Satish, This concept is very simple and straight forward. Ra and Ke are not planets. They are Grahas and that is basic and I know u know that. Think like this, that Ra and Ke do not have their own physical body so they will represent the sign lord and nakshtra lord they are placed in. This is for timing of event. So Ra and Ke become SD to the sign lord and nakshtra lord that host's them. So thir duty becomes similar to the sign lord and nakshtra lord. So now, lets take your example, that if Ra is in leo and it represents Sun only. So now apply SD laws. First, say Leo is 4th house and Ra is placed in it. So firstly its in House D for 7th as B and its in House E for 11th as B so it will become eager to deliver that result. Then Ra is in 4th house so in Ra MD it will become A for 9th house so in Ra MD, such will be the flavour of all antra. Now, Ra and Ke do not become SD to the navamsa they are placed in as they are not planets for timing of events. Now, if Ra is in leo and is SD to sun then it will behave like Sun and will become LoD and LoE or act like sun as per its points in the WS. So since Leo is House D for 7th and House E for 11th it will act like that. If say Sun is placed in 10th house with 6 bindus then it will be eager to give result for 1st and 5th house so if Ra is SD to Sun then it might step in for Sun if for some reason sun is not able to deliver result. So like that. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ramesh,Ash > > For all the planets, navansha dispositor is treated as > sadharmi. Does it not apply to rahu and ketu. Will not > Rahu or ketu act as samadharmi to their navasha lords? > > Does the dictum that a planet in its sub( Not sure > whether this applies to mahdasha lord as well) is > inclined to give results for 4th and 8th from its > station and 4th and 8th from its sign position, not > apply to Rahu or Ketu. How do we treat their sign > position? Does rahu in leo tends to give results for > 4th and 8th from where sun is, as well as 4th and 8th > from leo? > > Thanks > > Satish > --- aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks Ash for guidance and giving clear picture of > > the event.Only > > this type of explanation is needed for the learners > > of KAS.Many of > > us will be benefited with analysis of this type of > > chart. > > I greet hearty thanks to Satish also for giving this > > type of chart > > before the forum. > > Ash ! Truelly speaking I overlooked the presence of > > 6thlord Sa. > > Before that I found Mo antara as LoE and thus I > > forgot everything.In > > future I shall take special care. > > One thing I could not understand the death of his > > father in Ra main. > > How did you ascertain Ra as MD lord. > > Me is karaka for 4th house and placed in 3rd house > > (12th from 4th as > > B).Ra has no relationship with Me.Of course Ra ia in > > Me navamsa but > > Ra does not become SD to Me.Ra is SD to Ve and Su.It > > is more like Ve > > so Ra as LoE can act in place of Ve. > > But as MD lord how it came to play ? > > I think you will not mind for clearing this doubt. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet and all, > > > > > > First thing is the authenticity of birth time. > > Everything about JFK > > > and their family seems to be in a shroud of > > mystery. > > > > > > Secondly, from the literature I have read on > > internet, it seems that > > > JFK Jr was a c-section baby. > > > > > > So we must keep an open mind or rather such things > > in the back of > > mind > > > when reading the charts of Big Personalities. > > > > > > Mind you, that I am not saying that this birth > > time is wrong or > > right, > > > the true test of that would be to do a full > > fledged rectification > > > process and for that we need so much of data, time > > and energy. > > > > > > Now assuming that this birth time is correct the > > just see how all > > have > > > analysed this chart. > > > > > > Now see what Manoshi wrote > > > > > > " This person has a very domestic wife. He is > > pretty egoistic but is > > a > > > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it > > ego or whatever). > > > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very > > passionate person, > > > may have inclinations towards multiple > > relationships, though may be > > > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is > > satisfied with > > his > > > conjugal life). " > > > > > > I think this is quite a fair assessment of JFK Jr, > > BASED ON > > LITERATURE > > > AVAILABLE OR MEDIA PORTRAYAL OF JFK JR. > > > > > > Harjeet wrote > > > > > > " Hi, > > > my calculation also come up to 3rd sector of ketu > > antra.. but for > > some > > > reason i dont want to go with it. > > > i think its case of more delayed marriage. > > > i know i am wrong but i would say 3rd sector of > > moon antra... > > > somewhere first half of 1995. > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet " > > > > > > ASH: HERE SOMETHING WAS STRIKING HARJEET AND HE > > DELAYED THE > > MARRIAGE > > > EVEN FURTHER. > > > > > > > > > Ramesh wrote : > > > > > > " Hello Satish, > > > I got the asc.for this chart as 17 Le 46. > > > I reached to the decision that native married > > sometime in Jan 1992 > > > during Mo antara in Ju main. > > > Full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > All the significators are strong for 7th house > > matter.Should give > > > timely marriage but it did not. > > > The delay is over on 13 Dec 1984. > > > This chart indicates love marriage and it should > > be performed in > > > lowest point.But all significator's point is >12. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra " > > > > > > > > > ASH: YES, here the degree should be 19Le33, but > > that might be the > > same > > > problem experienced earlier with Shashank, i.e. > > one when opens a > > saved > > > chart might have to force a re-calc of the WS by > > changing something > > on > > > the chart like birth time by a minute and changing > > it back or > > changing > > > some transit date or something that way, the > > degree of planets will > > > re-set. The same degree NS got. > > > > > > Now, here Ramesh has done very good assessment, he > > said there is > > love > > > marriage and JFK Jr is said to have affairs with > > Madonna, Sarah > > > Jessica Parker and Daryl Hanna. The date are not > > given. > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy,_Jr. > > > > > > Ramesh, also said one important thing that this > > marriage should be > > > done in low points however here all power are 12 > > ore more than 12. > > > > > > Ramesh, however, what about 6th lord Ramesh. > > Saturn is also 6th > > lord > > > and it has 12 points, so borderline. > > > > > > Now, if you go deeper into studying saturn you can > > see that its > > basic > > > power is 7 only and if u go further in depth for > > quality, you can > > take > > > out the points of 6th lord one more time to offset > > the negative and > > > you will see Sa means deduct Sa's benefic aspect > > of +6 on ABC so > > that > > > is +18 so deduct -18 points from total of 12 so u > > will get -6 along > > > with basic strength of 7 for 7th house. > > > > > > Ofcouse now, w.r.t timing, marraige in 6th lord > > means some problems. > > > > > > Ramesh when we say lowest points we means direct > > power and also say > > > 6th lord is also malefic for marraige. > > > > > > Here Saturn is 6th lord and 7th lord so here you > > can go into further > > > detail to judge. > > > > > > Now, w.r.t timing of event, if marriage happens in > > lowest points of > > > 6th lord then................... problems. > > > > > > So now, if u see Saturn has highest power for 2nd > > house, which is > > > death of wife as well. > > > > > > So u can say that saturn gave marriage and also > > problems or unhappy > > as > > > it also caused death of spouse along with the > > native itself. > > > > > > Saturn is also SD to Sun who is highest > > significator for 8th house. > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > No need to miss a message. 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Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Resp Ashji, also would rahu and ketu being SD to nakshatra lord, give the result for the bhava for which the nakshatra lord are loD and LoE too ? thanks/regards harjeet , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > This concept is very simple and straight forward. > > Ra and Ke are not planets. They are Grahas and that is basic and I > know u know that. > > Think like this, that Ra and Ke do not have their own physical body so > they will represent the sign lord and nakshtra lord they are placed > in. This is for timing of event. > > So Ra and Ke become SD to the sign lord and nakshtra lord that host's > them. So thir duty becomes similar to the sign lord and nakshtra lord. > > So now, lets take your example, that if Ra is in leo and it represents > Sun only. > > So now apply SD laws. > > First, say Leo is 4th house and Ra is placed in it. So firstly its in > House D for 7th as B and its in House E for 11th as B so it will > become eager to deliver that result. > > Then Ra is in 4th house so in Ra MD it will become A for 9th house so > in Ra MD, such will be the flavour of all antra. > > Now, Ra and Ke do not become SD to the navamsa they are placed in as > they are not planets for timing of events. > > Now, if Ra is in leo and is SD to sun then it will behave like Sun and > will become LoD and LoE or act like sun as per its points in the WS. > > So since Leo is House D for 7th and House E for 11th it will act like > that. If say Sun is placed in 10th house with 6 bindus then it will > be eager to give result for 1st and 5th house so if Ra is SD to Sun > then it might step in for Sun if for some reason sun is not able to > deliver result. > > So like that. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh,Ash > > > > For all the planets, navansha dispositor is treated as > > sadharmi. Does it not apply to rahu and ketu. Will not > > Rahu or ketu act as samadharmi to their navasha lords? > > > > Does the dictum that a planet in its sub( Not sure > > whether this applies to mahdasha lord as well) is > > inclined to give results for 4th and 8th from its > > station and 4th and 8th from its sign position, not > > apply to Rahu or Ketu. How do we treat their sign > > position? Does rahu in leo tends to give results for > > 4th and 8th from where sun is, as well as 4th and 8th > > from leo? > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > --- aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > Thanks Ash for guidance and giving clear picture of > > > the event.Only > > > this type of explanation is needed for the learners > > > of KAS.Many of > > > us will be benefited with analysis of this type of > > > chart. > > > I greet hearty thanks to Satish also for giving this > > > type of chart > > > before the forum. > > > Ash ! Truelly speaking I overlooked the presence of > > > 6thlord Sa. > > > Before that I found Mo antara as LoE and thus I > > > forgot everything.In > > > future I shall take special care. > > > One thing I could not understand the death of his > > > father in Ra main. > > > How did you ascertain Ra as MD lord. > > > Me is karaka for 4th house and placed in 3rd house > > > (12th from 4th as > > > B).Ra has no relationship with Me.Of course Ra ia in > > > Me navamsa but > > > Ra does not become SD to Me.Ra is SD to Ve and Su.It > > > is more like Ve > > > so Ra as LoE can act in place of Ve. > > > But as MD lord how it came to play ? > > > I think you will not mind for clearing this doubt. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > , > > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet and all, > > > > > > > > First thing is the authenticity of birth time. > > > Everything about JFK > > > > and their family seems to be in a shroud of > > > mystery. > > > > > > > > Secondly, from the literature I have read on > > > internet, it seems that > > > > JFK Jr was a c-section baby. > > > > > > > > So we must keep an open mind or rather such things > > > in the back of > > > mind > > > > when reading the charts of Big Personalities. > > > > > > > > Mind you, that I am not saying that this birth > > > time is wrong or > > > right, > > > > the true test of that would be to do a full > > > fledged rectification > > > > process and for that we need so much of data, time > > > and energy. > > > > > > > > Now assuming that this birth time is correct the > > > just see how all > > > have > > > > analysed this chart. > > > > > > > > Now see what Manoshi wrote > > > > > > > > " This person has a very domestic wife. He is > > > pretty egoistic but is > > > a > > > > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it > > > ego or whatever). > > > > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very > > > passionate person, > > > > may have inclinations towards multiple > > > relationships, though may be > > > > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is > > > satisfied with > > > his > > > > conjugal life). " > > > > > > > > I think this is quite a fair assessment of JFK Jr, > > > BASED ON > > > LITERATURE > > > > AVAILABLE OR MEDIA PORTRAYAL OF JFK JR. > > > > > > > > Harjeet wrote > > > > > > > > " Hi, > > > > my calculation also come up to 3rd sector of ketu > > > antra.. but for > > > some > > > > reason i dont want to go with it. > > > > i think its case of more delayed marriage. > > > > i know i am wrong but i would say 3rd sector of > > > moon antra... > > > > somewhere first half of 1995. > > > > thanks/regards > > > > harjeet " > > > > > > > > ASH: HERE SOMETHING WAS STRIKING HARJEET AND HE > > > DELAYED THE > > > MARRIAGE > > > > EVEN FURTHER. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh wrote : > > > > > > > > " Hello Satish, > > > > I got the asc.for this chart as 17 Le 46. > > > > I reached to the decision that native married > > > sometime in Jan 1992 > > > > during Mo antara in Ju main. > > > > Full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > All the significators are strong for 7th house > > > matter.Should give > > > > timely marriage but it did not. > > > > The delay is over on 13 Dec 1984. > > > > This chart indicates love marriage and it should > > > be performed in > > > > lowest point.But all significator's point is >12. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra " > > > > > > > > > > > > ASH: YES, here the degree should be 19Le33, but > > > that might be the > > > same > > > > problem experienced earlier with Shashank, i.e. > > > one when opens a > > > saved > > > > chart might have to force a re-calc of the WS by > > > changing something > > > on > > > > the chart like birth time by a minute and changing > > > it back or > > > changing > > > > some transit date or something that way, the > > > degree of planets will > > > > re-set. The same degree NS got. > > > > > > > > Now, here Ramesh has done very good assessment, he > > > said there is > > > love > > > > marriage and JFK Jr is said to have affairs with > > > Madonna, Sarah > > > > Jessica Parker and Daryl Hanna. The date are not > > > given. > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy,_Jr. > > > > > > > > Ramesh, also said one important thing that this > > > marriage should be > > > > done in low points however here all power are 12 > > > ore more than 12. > > > > > > > > Ramesh, however, what about 6th lord Ramesh. > > > Saturn is also 6th > > > lord > > > > and it has 12 points, so borderline. > > > > > > > > Now, if you go deeper into studying saturn you can > > > see that its > > > basic > > > > power is 7 only and if u go further in depth for > > > quality, you can > > > take > > > > out the points of 6th lord one more time to offset > > > the negative and > > > > you will see Sa means deduct Sa's benefic aspect > > > of +6 on ABC so > > > that > > > > is +18 so deduct -18 points from total of 12 so u > > > will get -6 along > > > > with basic strength of 7 for 7th house. > > > > > > > > Ofcouse now, w.r.t timing, marraige in 6th lord > > > means some problems. > > > > > > > > Ramesh when we say lowest points we means direct > > > power and also say > > > > 6th lord is also malefic for marraige. > > > > > > > > Here Saturn is 6th lord and 7th lord so here you > > > can go into further > > > > detail to judge. > > > > > > > > Now, w.r.t timing of event, if marriage happens in > > > lowest points of > > > > 6th lord then................... problems. > > > > > > > > So now, if u see Saturn has highest power for 2nd > > > house, which is > > > > death of wife as well. > > > > > > > > So u can say that saturn gave marriage and also > > > problems or unhappy > > > as > > > > it also caused death of spouse along with the > > > native itself. > > > > > > > > Saturn is also SD to Sun who is highest > > > significator for 8th house. > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > No need to miss a message. 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Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Harjeet, Yes, I think Krushnaji had given a nice big write up on that in some archive post. I do remember that clearly. I think in solving a chart, he had told that blaming Rahu and Ketu for all bad things is not always correct and then he had gone ahead and solved a chart and in that he had written as per that chart on all the houses that Ra would represent. It will be nice if you or someone can dig up that post. I will try myself as well when I get some more time. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " harjeet bakshi " <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > Resp Ashji, > also would rahu and ketu being SD to nakshatra lord, give the result > for the bhava for which the nakshatra lord are loD and LoE too ? > thanks/regards > harjeet > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > This concept is very simple and straight forward. > > > > Ra and Ke are not planets. They are Grahas and that is basic and I > > know u know that. > > > > Think like this, that Ra and Ke do not have their own physical body so > > they will represent the sign lord and nakshtra lord they are placed > > in. This is for timing of event. > > > > So Ra and Ke become SD to the sign lord and nakshtra lord that host's > > them. So thir duty becomes similar to the sign lord and nakshtra lord. > > > > So now, lets take your example, that if Ra is in leo and it represents > > Sun only. > > > > So now apply SD laws. > > > > First, say Leo is 4th house and Ra is placed in it. So firstly its in > > House D for 7th as B and its in House E for 11th as B so it will > > become eager to deliver that result. > > > > Then Ra is in 4th house so in Ra MD it will become A for 9th house so > > in Ra MD, such will be the flavour of all antra. > > > > Now, Ra and Ke do not become SD to the navamsa they are placed in as > > they are not planets for timing of events. > > > > Now, if Ra is in leo and is SD to sun then it will behave like Sun and > > will become LoD and LoE or act like sun as per its points in the WS. > > > > So since Leo is House D for 7th and House E for 11th it will act like > > that. If say Sun is placed in 10th house with 6 bindus then it will > > be eager to give result for 1st and 5th house so if Ra is SD to Sun > > then it might step in for Sun if for some reason sun is not able to > > deliver result. > > > > So like that. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh,Ash > > > > > > For all the planets, navansha dispositor is treated as > > > sadharmi. Does it not apply to rahu and ketu. Will not > > > Rahu or ketu act as samadharmi to their navasha lords? > > > > > > Does the dictum that a planet in its sub( Not sure > > > whether this applies to mahdasha lord as well) is > > > inclined to give results for 4th and 8th from its > > > station and 4th and 8th from its sign position, not > > > apply to Rahu or Ketu. How do we treat their sign > > > position? Does rahu in leo tends to give results for > > > 4th and 8th from where sun is, as well as 4th and 8th > > > from leo? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Satish > > > --- aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thanks Ash for guidance and giving clear picture of > > > > the event.Only > > > > this type of explanation is needed for the learners > > > > of KAS.Many of > > > > us will be benefited with analysis of this type of > > > > chart. > > > > I greet hearty thanks to Satish also for giving this > > > > type of chart > > > > before the forum. > > > > Ash ! Truelly speaking I overlooked the presence of > > > > 6thlord Sa. > > > > Before that I found Mo antara as LoE and thus I > > > > forgot everything.In > > > > future I shall take special care. > > > > One thing I could not understand the death of his > > > > father in Ra main. > > > > How did you ascertain Ra as MD lord. > > > > Me is karaka for 4th house and placed in 3rd house > > > > (12th from 4th as > > > > B).Ra has no relationship with Me.Of course Ra ia in > > > > Me navamsa but > > > > Ra does not become SD to Me.Ra is SD to Ve and Su.It > > > > is more like Ve > > > > so Ra as LoE can act in place of Ve. > > > > But as MD lord how it came to play ? > > > > I think you will not mind for clearing this doubt. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > , > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet and all, > > > > > > > > > > First thing is the authenticity of birth time. > > > > Everything about JFK > > > > > and their family seems to be in a shroud of > > > > mystery. > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, from the literature I have read on > > > > internet, it seems that > > > > > JFK Jr was a c-section baby. > > > > > > > > > > So we must keep an open mind or rather such things > > > > in the back of > > > > mind > > > > > when reading the charts of Big Personalities. > > > > > > > > > > Mind you, that I am not saying that this birth > > > > time is wrong or > > > > right, > > > > > the true test of that would be to do a full > > > > fledged rectification > > > > > process and for that we need so much of data, time > > > > and energy. > > > > > > > > > > Now assuming that this birth time is correct the > > > > just see how all > > > > have > > > > > analysed this chart. > > > > > > > > > > Now see what Manoshi wrote > > > > > > > > > > " This person has a very domestic wife. He is > > > > pretty egoistic but is > > > > a > > > > > satisfied person (is happy about himself, call it > > > > ego or whatever). > > > > > Sometimes gets obsessed with what he does. Very > > > > passionate person, > > > > > may have inclinations towards multiple > > > > relationships, though may be > > > > > not fulfilling his wishes. (I have doubts if he is > > > > satisfied with > > > > his > > > > > conjugal life). " > > > > > > > > > > I think this is quite a fair assessment of JFK Jr, > > > > BASED ON > > > > LITERATURE > > > > > AVAILABLE OR MEDIA PORTRAYAL OF JFK JR. > > > > > > > > > > Harjeet wrote > > > > > > > > > > " Hi, > > > > > my calculation also come up to 3rd sector of ketu > > > > antra.. but for > > > > some > > > > > reason i dont want to go with it. > > > > > i think its case of more delayed marriage. > > > > > i know i am wrong but i would say 3rd sector of > > > > moon antra... > > > > > somewhere first half of 1995. > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > harjeet " > > > > > > > > > > ASH: HERE SOMETHING WAS STRIKING HARJEET AND HE > > > > DELAYED THE > > > > MARRIAGE > > > > > EVEN FURTHER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh wrote : > > > > > > > > > > " Hello Satish, > > > > > I got the asc.for this chart as 17 Le 46. > > > > > I reached to the decision that native married > > > > sometime in Jan 1992 > > > > > during Mo antara in Ju main. > > > > > Full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > > All the significators are strong for 7th house > > > > matter.Should give > > > > > timely marriage but it did not. > > > > > The delay is over on 13 Dec 1984. > > > > > This chart indicates love marriage and it should > > > > be performed in > > > > > lowest point.But all significator's point is >12. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASH: YES, here the degree should be 19Le33, but > > > > that might be the > > > > same > > > > > problem experienced earlier with Shashank, i.e. > > > > one when opens a > > > > saved > > > > > chart might have to force a re-calc of the WS by > > > > changing something > > > > on > > > > > the chart like birth time by a minute and changing > > > > it back or > > > > changing > > > > > some transit date or something that way, the > > > > degree of planets will > > > > > re-set. The same degree NS got. > > > > > > > > > > Now, here Ramesh has done very good assessment, he > > > > said there is > > > > love > > > > > marriage and JFK Jr is said to have affairs with > > > > Madonna, Sarah > > > > > Jessica Parker and Daryl Hanna. The date are not > > > > given. > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy,_Jr. > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh, also said one important thing that this > > > > marriage should be > > > > > done in low points however here all power are 12 > > > > ore more than 12. > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh, however, what about 6th lord Ramesh. > > > > Saturn is also 6th > > > > lord > > > > > and it has 12 points, so borderline. > > > > > > > > > > Now, if you go deeper into studying saturn you can > > > > see that its > > > > basic > > > > > power is 7 only and if u go further in depth for > > > > quality, you can > > > > take > > > > > out the points of 6th lord one more time to offset > > > > the negative and > > > > > you will see Sa means deduct Sa's benefic aspect > > > > of +6 on ABC so > > > > that > > > > > is +18 so deduct -18 points from total of 12 so u > > > > will get -6 along > > > > > with basic strength of 7 for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > Ofcouse now, w.r.t timing, marraige in 6th lord > > > > means some problems. > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh when we say lowest points we means direct > > > > power and also say > > > > > 6th lord is also malefic for marraige. > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn is 6th lord and 7th lord so here you > > > > can go into further > > > > > detail to judge. > > > > > > > > > > Now, w.r.t timing of event, if marriage happens in > > > > lowest points of > > > > > 6th lord then................... problems. > > > > > > > > > > So now, if u see Saturn has highest power for 2nd > > > > house, which is > > > > > death of wife as well. > > > > > > > > > > So u can say that saturn gave marriage and also > > > > problems or unhappy > > > > as > > > > > it also caused death of spouse along with the > > > > native itself. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is also SD to Sun who is highest > > > > significator for 8th house. > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > > No need to miss a message. 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