Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Group, I came across this chart on another group, just after I gave this post on death JFK Jr and also analysed death of his father, mother and wife all in that of highest power planet or LoD or LoE. Infact for JFK Jr, Ra was in House D for 4th as B and its SD to LoE Venus for 10th as B so Ra gave death to both Father and Mother. Saturn gave death to both JFK and his wife. For 2nd house as B, Sa is LoE. I just came across this chart given on another group just after I gave the post of JFK Jr. 28th Sept 1996 1:21 AM 30N19 83W39 DST is YES Time zone is EDT +04:00 Planet Degrees As 25 Ge 15 Su 12 Vi 27 Mo 27 Pi 9 Ma 18 Cn 25 Me 26 Le 16 Ju 15 Sg 51 Ve 0 Le 18 SaR 10 Pi 56 Ra 15 Vi 9 Ke 15 Pi 9 Its given on that list that Death happend around 15 days back so that is about 5th or 6th Feb 2007. The cause of death is lukemia or blood cancer. Death happend in Ke / Me antra. Me is Lagna lord or LoE for 8th. As per 5th Feb sun was transiting Sign and Nakshtra of Sa and Mo Sa and Su 14-Jan 22-Jan Sa and Mo 23-Jan 5-Feb We also take 13 days either side. Sa and Sun have highest power for 8th house. So if we take Mercury as the planet to give death then sun transits next 2 strongest power planet may result so Sa has 22 points for 8th and Sun has 27 and antra lord is LoE. May her soul rest in peace, Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Ash, Why did the event not happen in ketu-venus for the chart you posted. Is it because Ve is also lord of house C? Both Ve amd Me are residing in house A for 8th as house B. Would it disqualify them from giving results? Or they are eager being lords of D and E? Then why not ke-Ve? Also what combinations in this chart gave Lukemia? Thanks Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Group, > > I came across this chart on another group, just > after I gave this post > on death JFK Jr and also analysed death of his > father, mother and wife > all in that of highest power planet or LoD or LoE. > > Infact for JFK Jr, Ra was in House D for 4th as B > and its SD to LoE > Venus for 10th as B so Ra gave death to both Father > and Mother. > > Saturn gave death to both JFK and his wife. For 2nd > house as B, Sa is > LoE. > > > I just came across this chart given on another group > just after I gave > the post of JFK Jr. > > 28th Sept 1996 > 1:21 AM > 30N19 > 83W39 > DST is YES > Time zone is EDT +04:00 > > Planet Degrees > As 25 Ge 15 > Su 12 Vi 27 > Mo 27 Pi 9 > Ma 18 Cn 25 > Me 26 Le 16 > Ju 15 Sg 51 > Ve 0 Le 18 > SaR 10 Pi 56 > Ra 15 Vi 9 > Ke 15 Pi 9 > > > Its given on that list that Death happend around 15 > days back so that > is about 5th or 6th Feb 2007. The cause of death is > lukemia or blood > cancer. > > Death happend in Ke / Me antra. > > Me is Lagna lord or LoE for 8th. > > As per 5th Feb sun was transiting Sign and Nakshtra > of Sa and Mo > > Sa and Su 14-Jan 22-Jan > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 5-Feb > > We also take 13 days either side. > > Sa and Sun have highest power for 8th house. > > So if we take Mercury as the planet to give death > then sun transits > next 2 strongest power planet may result so Sa has > 22 points for 8th > and Sun has 27 and antra lord is LoE. > > May her soul rest in peace, > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > ______________________________\ ____ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Satish, I haven't gone into that much detail. I just saw the death falling in LoE for 8th. The topic of death on all the why's etc is not covered nor have I been taught that. Yes, I tried to learn it on 2 or 3 different occasions, from Krushanji, and the first 2 times my laptop died, and second time my ASDL connection died for days ... and the third time my pc crashed and I lost my HDD. Maybe the time has not come and I take it as nimita :-). Since then I have never asked or Rushed Krushanji to teach me this topic of death :-). Let the proper time come and mental maturity. All this I am saying is from hints given by Krushanji which can be found in FAQ and in archives, that all. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Why did the event not happen in ketu-venus for the > chart you posted. Is it because Ve is also lord of > house C? Both Ve amd Me are residing in house A for > 8th as house B. Would it disqualify them from giving > results? Or they are eager being lords of D and E? > Then why not ke-Ve? > > Also what combinations in this chart gave Lukemia? > > Thanks > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > > > I came across this chart on another group, just > > after I gave this post > > on death JFK Jr and also analysed death of his > > father, mother and wife > > all in that of highest power planet or LoD or LoE. > > > > Infact for JFK Jr, Ra was in House D for 4th as B > > and its SD to LoE > > Venus for 10th as B so Ra gave death to both Father > > and Mother. > > > > Saturn gave death to both JFK and his wife. For 2nd > > house as B, Sa is > > LoE. > > > > > > I just came across this chart given on another group > > just after I gave > > the post of JFK Jr. > > > > 28th Sept 1996 > > 1:21 AM > > 30N19 > > 83W39 > > DST is YES > > Time zone is EDT +04:00 > > > > Planet Degrees > > As 25 Ge 15 > > Su 12 Vi 27 > > Mo 27 Pi 9 > > Ma 18 Cn 25 > > Me 26 Le 16 > > Ju 15 Sg 51 > > Ve 0 Le 18 > > SaR 10 Pi 56 > > Ra 15 Vi 9 > > Ke 15 Pi 9 > > > > > > Its given on that list that Death happend around 15 > > days back so that > > is about 5th or 6th Feb 2007. The cause of death is > > lukemia or blood > > cancer. > > > > Death happend in Ke / Me antra. > > > > Me is Lagna lord or LoE for 8th. > > > > As per 5th Feb sun was transiting Sign and Nakshtra > > of Sa and Mo > > > > Sa and Su 14-Jan 22-Jan > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 5-Feb > > > > We also take 13 days either side. > > > > Sa and Sun have highest power for 8th house. > > > > So if we take Mercury as the planet to give death > > then sun transits > > next 2 strongest power planet may result so Sa has > > 22 points for 8th > > and Sun has 27 and antra lord is LoE. > > > > May her soul rest in peace, > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Ash and all, When a child cries give him a choclate.He will be happy and stop crying.We are not baby here so we do not want lollypops. We are all here to learn something.If the person is not interested guiding us then let us stop this topic hereitself and no further discussion on this topic in future. However our interest of learning does not die so we are always alert,cautious and curious. In this chart Me is LoE and Ve is LoD for 8th.Both occupy house A.so Me is SD to Ve also.But Me has strong 6 bindus fulfills the requisition. I have read in the archives if all the planets are 12 or >12 in WS for 8th then early death or short life span.Point 12 may go either side. Main problem is to JUDGE the MD lord.GURUJI says karaka as MD lord is responsible for natural death.If the karak planet aspects any of house A or B or C then its samadharmi will give the death as MD lord. Here Ke is not karak for 8th.On the otherside Su is the karak for 8th and its aspect is not on A,B,C. Su is opposite to Ke. Su MD is yet to come.The native dies in Ke MD. Me with 5 strong bindus is in house A for 8th.So Me can be MD lord but he was born in Me MD. There is no arishta present in the chart. 3rd house is house of life and 8th house is house of death. When you compare these two houses,you will find that only three planets are strong for 3rd in WS.Whereas all planets are strong for 8th. Death dominates over life. I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND HOW KETU MD CAME FORWARD TO GIVE DEATH. May I hope suitable and convincing reply from our fellow members. Thanks and regard. Ramesh Mishra , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > I haven't gone into that much detail. I just saw the death falling in > LoE for 8th. > > The topic of death on all the why's etc is not covered nor have I been > taught that. > > Yes, I tried to learn it on 2 or 3 different occasions, from > Krushanji, and the first 2 times my laptop died, and second time my > ASDL connection died for days ... and the third time my pc crashed and > I lost my HDD. > > Maybe the time has not come and I take it as nimita :-). > > Since then I have never asked or Rushed Krushanji to teach me this > topic of death :-). > > Let the proper time come and mental maturity. > > All this I am saying is from hints given by Krushanji which can be > found in FAQ and in archives, that all. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Why did the event not happen in ketu-venus for the > > chart you posted. Is it because Ve is also lord of > > house C? Both Ve amd Me are residing in house A for > > 8th as house B. Would it disqualify them from giving > > results? Or they are eager being lords of D and E? > > Then why not ke-Ve? > > > > Also what combinations in this chart gave Lukemia? > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > I came across this chart on another group, just > > > after I gave this post > > > on death JFK Jr and also analysed death of his > > > father, mother and wife > > > all in that of highest power planet or LoD or LoE. > > > > > > Infact for JFK Jr, Ra was in House D for 4th as B > > > and its SD to LoE > > > Venus for 10th as B so Ra gave death to both Father > > > and Mother. > > > > > > Saturn gave death to both JFK and his wife. For 2nd > > > house as B, Sa is > > > LoE. > > > > > > > > > I just came across this chart given on another group > > > just after I gave > > > the post of JFK Jr. > > > > > > 28th Sept 1996 > > > 1:21 AM > > > 30N19 > > > 83W39 > > > DST is YES > > > Time zone is EDT +04:00 > > > > > > Planet Degrees > > > As 25 Ge 15 > > > Su 12 Vi 27 > > > Mo 27 Pi 9 > > > Ma 18 Cn 25 > > > Me 26 Le 16 > > > Ju 15 Sg 51 > > > Ve 0 Le 18 > > > SaR 10 Pi 56 > > > Ra 15 Vi 9 > > > Ke 15 Pi 9 > > > > > > > > > Its given on that list that Death happend around 15 > > > days back so that > > > is about 5th or 6th Feb 2007. The cause of death is > > > lukemia or blood > > > cancer. > > > > > > Death happend in Ke / Me antra. > > > > > > Me is Lagna lord or LoE for 8th. > > > > > > As per 5th Feb sun was transiting Sign and Nakshtra > > > of Sa and Mo > > > > > > Sa and Su 14-Jan 22-Jan > > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 5-Feb > > > > > > We also take 13 days either side. > > > > > > Sa and Sun have highest power for 8th house. > > > > > > So if we take Mercury as the planet to give death > > > then sun transits > > > next 2 strongest power planet may result so Sa has > > > 22 points for 8th > > > and Sun has 27 and antra lord is LoE. > > > > > > May her soul rest in peace, > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > > Be a PS3 game guru. > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > Games. > > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Well said. Yes, even Krushnaji had told his old senior students such as Sach and Prakash and told them not to discuss this topic. Death is not a light topic and I don't know how much good it will do to predict that to help humanity. Yes, and this event happens in each and everyones life without fail. Each time I ask Krushanji about this topic, I know I am putting him into a spot and that is not nice of me, and its not good for a student to force his Guru to say things when according to the Guru, based on his shishya's knowledge, mental maturity, maybe birthchart or whatever reason be it so, the time for such knowledge has not come. So as you rightly said, leave it. We got some hints we can just use that and see if its matching. If someone has big database with them, even if they can run a query which says 1) Give me a list of all the charts of those who have died. 2) Within that give me a list of all the people who have died in the antra of 1st or 5th lord means LoE or LoD 3) once and then also see if possible in the remaining charts how many people have died in the antra of planet that are placed in House D or E with more than 4 bindus. We can then see the result set and see what % of charts meet that criteria. However, I do not want to ask Krushnaji any further on this topic of death. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " aarceemastro2002 " <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > When a child cries give him a choclate.He will be happy and stop > crying.We are not baby here so we do not want lollypops. We are all > here to learn something.If the person is not interested guiding us > then let us stop this topic hereitself and no further discussion on > this topic in future. > However our interest of learning does not die so we are always > alert,cautious and curious. > In this chart Me is LoE and Ve is LoD for 8th.Both occupy house A.so > Me is SD to Ve also.But Me has strong 6 bindus fulfills the > requisition. > I have read in the archives if all the planets are 12 or >12 in WS > for 8th then early death or short life span.Point 12 may go either > side. > Main problem is to JUDGE the MD lord.GURUJI says karaka as MD lord is > responsible for natural death.If the karak planet aspects any of > house A or B or C then its samadharmi will give the death as MD lord. > Here Ke is not karak for 8th.On the otherside Su is the karak for 8th > and its aspect is not on A,B,C. Su is opposite to Ke. Su MD is yet to > come.The native dies in Ke MD. > Me with 5 strong bindus is in house A for 8th.So Me can be MD lord > but he was born in Me MD. > There is no arishta present in the chart. > 3rd house is house of life and 8th house is house of death. > When you compare these two houses,you will find that only three > planets are strong for 3rd in WS.Whereas all planets are strong for > 8th. Death dominates over life. > I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND HOW KETU MD CAME FORWARD TO GIVE DEATH. > May I hope suitable and convincing reply from our fellow members. > Thanks and regard. > Ramesh Mishra > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > I haven't gone into that much detail. I just saw the death falling > in > > LoE for 8th. > > > > The topic of death on all the why's etc is not covered nor have I > been > > taught that. > > > > Yes, I tried to learn it on 2 or 3 different occasions, from > > Krushanji, and the first 2 times my laptop died, and second time my > > ASDL connection died for days ... and the third time my pc crashed > and > > I lost my HDD. > > > > Maybe the time has not come and I take it as nimita :-). > > > > Since then I have never asked or Rushed Krushanji to teach me this > > topic of death :-). > > > > Let the proper time come and mental maturity. > > > > All this I am saying is from hints given by Krushanji which can be > > found in FAQ and in archives, that all. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Why did the event not happen in ketu-venus for the > > > chart you posted. Is it because Ve is also lord of > > > house C? Both Ve amd Me are residing in house A for > > > 8th as house B. Would it disqualify them from giving > > > results? Or they are eager being lords of D and E? > > > Then why not ke-Ve? > > > > > > Also what combinations in this chart gave Lukemia? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > I came across this chart on another group, just > > > > after I gave this post > > > > on death JFK Jr and also analysed death of his > > > > father, mother and wife > > > > all in that of highest power planet or LoD or LoE. > > > > > > > > Infact for JFK Jr, Ra was in House D for 4th as B > > > > and its SD to LoE > > > > Venus for 10th as B so Ra gave death to both Father > > > > and Mother. > > > > > > > > Saturn gave death to both JFK and his wife. For 2nd > > > > house as B, Sa is > > > > LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > I just came across this chart given on another group > > > > just after I gave > > > > the post of JFK Jr. > > > > > > > > 28th Sept 1996 > > > > 1:21 AM > > > > 30N19 > > > > 83W39 > > > > DST is YES > > > > Time zone is EDT +04:00 > > > > > > > > Planet Degrees > > > > As 25 Ge 15 > > > > Su 12 Vi 27 > > > > Mo 27 Pi 9 > > > > Ma 18 Cn 25 > > > > Me 26 Le 16 > > > > Ju 15 Sg 51 > > > > Ve 0 Le 18 > > > > SaR 10 Pi 56 > > > > Ra 15 Vi 9 > > > > Ke 15 Pi 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > Its given on that list that Death happend around 15 > > > > days back so that > > > > is about 5th or 6th Feb 2007. The cause of death is > > > > lukemia or blood > > > > cancer. > > > > > > > > Death happend in Ke / Me antra. > > > > > > > > Me is Lagna lord or LoE for 8th. > > > > > > > > As per 5th Feb sun was transiting Sign and Nakshtra > > > > of Sa and Mo > > > > > > > > Sa and Su 14-Jan 22-Jan > > > > > Sa and Mo 23-Jan 5-Feb > > > > > > > > > We also take 13 days either side. > > > > > > > > Sa and Sun have highest power for 8th house. > > > > > > > > So if we take Mercury as the planet to give death > > > > then sun transits > > > > next 2 strongest power planet may result so Sa has > > > > 22 points for 8th > > > > and Sun has 27 and antra lord is LoE. > > > > > > > > May her soul rest in peace, > > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > ______________ > > > Be a PS3 game guru. > > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > > Games. > > > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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