Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Dear Ash, Thanks. Shani- shukra has a special relationship, and laghu parashari does not put any restrictions on it. So even when 1:7 they act like samadharmi. This relationship is not accorded to moon-mars though. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > This verse is given from laghu prasari. > > " 40. During the sub-period of Saturn in the main > ruling period of > Venus, Saturn enhances the result of Venus, so is > the case during the > sub-period of Venus in the main ruling period of > Saturn. In other > words the sub-period Lord enacts like the main > ruling period Lord. " > > AS PER KAS > > We say Sa and Ve are Natural Samdharmi. So one can > step in for the other. > > We also say that if Venus is spoilt then the aspect > of Saturn enhances > the malefic results of Venus. > > Now here they are trying to say that one planet will > act like other > and we are saying that they are Samdharmi. > > We also say that that will not be the case when Ve > and Sa go into 1:7 > position when they have enmity. So that exception > is covered by KAS > as well. > > Actually, KAS had remained in Krushanji's and his > Guruji family and > was guarded so there is more chance that the > knowledge remained there > is pure and unadulterated over the passage of time. > > Actually, if one studies KAS in detail so many VA > concepts will get clear. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Dear Satish, Laghu parasarai also says " 4. The learned should make themselves familiar with the fundamentals of Astrology through other works. Here only the specific principles will be explained. " Ash : Maybe because 1:7 relationship is fundamental. 7th sign from any sign is enemy. Sign of exaltation is opposite that of its debilitation and this is for all. Maybe this is basic info that one is expected to know and here only general things are given. Nothing about Ashtakavarga is given either. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks. Shani- shukra has a special relationship, and > laghu parashari does not put any restrictions on it. > So even when 1:7 they act like samadharmi. > > This relationship is not accorded to moon-mars though. > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > This verse is given from laghu prasari. > > > > " 40. During the sub-period of Saturn in the main > > ruling period of > > Venus, Saturn enhances the result of Venus, so is > > the case during the > > sub-period of Venus in the main ruling period of > > Saturn. In other > > words the sub-period Lord enacts like the main > > ruling period Lord. " > > > > AS PER KAS > > > > We say Sa and Ve are Natural Samdharmi. So one can > > step in for the other. > > > > We also say that if Venus is spoilt then the aspect > > of Saturn enhances > > the malefic results of Venus. > > > > Now here they are trying to say that one planet will > > act like other > > and we are saying that they are Samdharmi. > > > > We also say that that will not be the case when Ve > > and Sa go into 1:7 > > position when they have enmity. So that exception > > is covered by KAS > > as well. > > > > Actually, KAS had remained in Krushanji's and his > > Guruji family and > > was guarded so there is more chance that the > > knowledge remained there > > is pure and unadulterated over the passage of time. > > > > Actually, if one studies KAS in detail so many VA > > concepts will get clear. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Dear Ash, The shani- shukra relationship has been given special consideration and they are called param-mitra and regardless of their position in the chart shani can alwys give results of shukra and vice versa. Thats the point I am making. It is not so for moon-mars. Position in chart is secondary to lordships, they are important but lordships should trump in my opinion Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Laghu parasarai also says > > " 4. The learned should make themselves familiar > with the fundamentals > of Astrology through other works. Here only the > specific principles > will be explained. " > > Ash : Maybe because 1:7 relationship is fundamental. > 7th sign from > any sign is enemy. Sign of exaltation is opposite > that of its > debilitation and this is for all. > > Maybe this is basic info that one is expected to > know and here only > general things are given. > > Nothing about Ashtakavarga is given either. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thanks. Shani- shukra has a special relationship, > and > > laghu parashari does not put any restrictions on > it. > > So even when 1:7 they act like samadharmi. > > > > This relationship is not accorded to moon-mars > though. > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > This verse is given from laghu prasari. > > > > > > " 40. During the sub-period of Saturn in the > main > > > ruling period of > > > Venus, Saturn enhances the result of Venus, so > is > > > the case during the > > > sub-period of Venus in the main ruling period of > > > Saturn. In other > > > words the sub-period Lord enacts like the main > > > ruling period Lord. " > > > > > > AS PER KAS > > > > > > We say Sa and Ve are Natural Samdharmi. So one > can > > > step in for the other. > > > > > > We also say that if Venus is spoilt then the > aspect > > > of Saturn enhances > > > the malefic results of Venus. > > > > > > Now here they are trying to say that one planet > will > > > act like other > > > and we are saying that they are Samdharmi. > > > > > > We also say that that will not be the case when > Ve > > > and Sa go into 1:7 > > > position when they have enmity. So that > exception > > > is covered by KAS > > > as well. > > > > > > Actually, KAS had remained in Krushanji's and > his > > > Guruji family and > > > was guarded so there is more chance that the > > > knowledge remained there > > > is pure and unadulterated over the passage of > time. > > > > > > Actually, if one studies KAS in detail so many > VA > > > concepts will get clear. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Dear Ash, BTW which translation of Laghu parashari you have ? Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Laghu parasarai also says > > " 4. The learned should make themselves familiar > with the fundamentals > of Astrology through other works. Here only the > specific principles > will be explained. " > > Ash : Maybe because 1:7 relationship is fundamental. > 7th sign from > any sign is enemy. Sign of exaltation is opposite > that of its > debilitation and this is for all. > > Maybe this is basic info that one is expected to > know and here only > general things are given. > > Nothing about Ashtakavarga is given either. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Dear Satish For writing these posts I am using the following link. http://www.astrojyoti.com/laghuparashari.htm Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > BTW which translation of Laghu parashari you have ? > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Laghu parasarai also says > > > > " 4. The learned should make themselves familiar > > with the fundamentals > > of Astrology through other works. Here only the > > specific principles > > will be explained. " > > > > Ash : Maybe because 1:7 relationship is fundamental. > > 7th sign from > > any sign is enemy. Sign of exaltation is opposite > > that of its > > debilitation and this is for all. > > > > Maybe this is basic info that one is expected to > > know and here only > > general things are given. > > > > Nothing about Ashtakavarga is given either. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Dear Satish, I have written a long post on Natural Samdharmi's. These are all classified as NSD. Su, Mo and Mars are generally in that order so if MArs is powerful then Sun or Moon can step in for MArs. This is what we follow in KAS. Same way for Ve and Saturn. For all Natural Samdharmi's if they have enimity means if they go in 1:7 position they will cease to act as NSD. Yes, if in case still if they are in 1:7 and say Sa is in navamsa of Venus then still Sa might step in for Venus but if Venus is not SD to Saturn then it wont step in for that. This must be given in some classic in some form. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > The shani- shukra relationship has been given special > consideration and they are called param-mitra and > regardless of their position in the chart shani can > alwys give results of shukra and vice versa. Thats the > point I am making. It is not so for moon-mars. > Position in chart is secondary to lordships, they are > important but lordships should trump in my opinion > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Laghu parasarai also says > > > > " 4. The learned should make themselves familiar > > with the fundamentals > > of Astrology through other works. Here only the > > specific principles > > will be explained. " > > > > Ash : Maybe because 1:7 relationship is fundamental. > > 7th sign from > > any sign is enemy. Sign of exaltation is opposite > > that of its > > debilitation and this is for all. > > > > Maybe this is basic info that one is expected to > > know and here only > > general things are given. > > > > Nothing about Ashtakavarga is given either. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thanks. Shani- shukra has a special relationship, > > and > > > laghu parashari does not put any restrictions on > > it. > > > So even when 1:7 they act like samadharmi. > > > > > > This relationship is not accorded to moon-mars > > though. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > This verse is given from laghu prasari. > > > > > > > > " 40. During the sub-period of Saturn in the > > main > > > > ruling period of > > > > Venus, Saturn enhances the result of Venus, so > > is > > > > the case during the > > > > sub-period of Venus in the main ruling period of > > > > Saturn. In other > > > > words the sub-period Lord enacts like the main > > > > ruling period Lord. " > > > > > > > > AS PER KAS > > > > > > > > We say Sa and Ve are Natural Samdharmi. So one > > can > > > > step in for the other. > > > > > > > > We also say that if Venus is spoilt then the > > aspect > > > > of Saturn enhances > > > > the malefic results of Venus. > > > > > > > > Now here they are trying to say that one planet > > will > > > > act like other > > > > and we are saying that they are Samdharmi. > > > > > > > > We also say that that will not be the case when > > Ve > > > > and Sa go into 1:7 > > > > position when they have enmity. So that > > exception > > > > is covered by KAS > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > Actually, KAS had remained in Krushanji's and > > his > > > > Guruji family and > > > > was guarded so there is more chance that the > > > > knowledge remained there > > > > is pure and unadulterated over the passage of > > time. > > > > > > > > Actually, if one studies KAS in detail so many > > VA > > > > concepts will get clear. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Dear Ash, Thanks for these posts. I concurr with bala that these should be in archives. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Dear Satish, What I mean is that Su, Mo and Mars are in that order in VIMSHOTTARI dasha scheme. So if Mars is powerful for an event and for some reason it cant give result so Sun might step in for Mars or Moon as well and this is due to Natural Samdharmiship. I think now its clear. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > I have written a long post on Natural Samdharmi's. These are all > classified as NSD. > > Su, Mo and Mars are generally in that order so if MArs is powerful > then Sun or Moon can step in for MArs. > > This is what we follow in KAS. > > Same way for Ve and Saturn. > > For all Natural Samdharmi's if they have enimity means if they go in > 1:7 position they will cease to act as NSD. > > Yes, if in case still if they are in 1:7 and say Sa is in navamsa of > Venus then still Sa might step in for Venus but if Venus is not SD to > Saturn then it wont step in for that. > > This must be given in some classic in some form. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > The shani- shukra relationship has been given special > > consideration and they are called param-mitra and > > regardless of their position in the chart shani can > > alwys give results of shukra and vice versa. Thats the > > point I am making. It is not so for moon-mars. > > Position in chart is secondary to lordships, they are > > important but lordships should trump in my opinion > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Laghu parasarai also says > > > > > > " 4. The learned should make themselves familiar > > > with the fundamentals > > > of Astrology through other works. Here only the > > > specific principles > > > will be explained. " > > > > > > Ash : Maybe because 1:7 relationship is fundamental. > > > 7th sign from > > > any sign is enemy. Sign of exaltation is opposite > > > that of its > > > debilitation and this is for all. > > > > > > Maybe this is basic info that one is expected to > > > know and here only > > > general things are given. > > > > > > Nothing about Ashtakavarga is given either. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thanks. Shani- shukra has a special relationship, > > > and > > > > laghu parashari does not put any restrictions on > > > it. > > > > So even when 1:7 they act like samadharmi. > > > > > > > > This relationship is not accorded to moon-mars > > > though. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > This verse is given from laghu prasari. > > > > > > > > > > " 40. During the sub-period of Saturn in the > > > main > > > > > ruling period of > > > > > Venus, Saturn enhances the result of Venus, so > > > is > > > > > the case during the > > > > > sub-period of Venus in the main ruling period of > > > > > Saturn. In other > > > > > words the sub-period Lord enacts like the main > > > > > ruling period Lord. " > > > > > > > > > > AS PER KAS > > > > > > > > > > We say Sa and Ve are Natural Samdharmi. So one > > > can > > > > > step in for the other. > > > > > > > > > > We also say that if Venus is spoilt then the > > > aspect > > > > > of Saturn enhances > > > > > the malefic results of Venus. > > > > > > > > > > Now here they are trying to say that one planet > > > will > > > > > act like other > > > > > and we are saying that they are Samdharmi. > > > > > > > > > > We also say that that will not be the case when > > > Ve > > > > > and Sa go into 1:7 > > > > > position when they have enmity. So that > > > exception > > > > > is covered by KAS > > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, KAS had remained in Krushanji's and > > > his > > > > > Guruji family and > > > > > was guarded so there is more chance that the > > > > > knowledge remained there > > > > > is pure and unadulterated over the passage of > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, if one studies KAS in detail so many > > > VA > > > > > concepts will get clear. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Dear Bala and Satish and List members, I have added these posts to my Blog. You can visit that from my website. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for these posts. I concurr with bala that these > should be in archives. > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Satish, I gave some more thought to what you said. You are right. They are param mitra no doubt, They also own 4:10 and 5:9 positions from each others signs as well. So sign house or lordship wise they are param mitra but what happens when the param mitras take up position of 1:7 means they take up position of enemity? In that case they will cease to be param mitra or we say Nautural Samdharmi. Sign 1 and 7 always have enmity between them and so when Sa and Ve go into 1:7 position there is a stand off and so they will not replace each other based on NSD or as you say param mitra theory. Yes, they might still, if they become SD in some other form i.e. Functional Samdharmi means they might conjoin in NAvamsa or Ve might go into navmsa of Saturn or Saturn might go into navamsa of Venus so that way they again can become SD but it will be FSD and not NSD. Same way for Ma and Mo and Ma and Su. If they go in 1:7 so in that case mo or su will not replace mars by virtue of being Natural Samdharmi. Thanks for making me think more on this concept. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > The shani- shukra relationship has been given special > consideration and they are called param-mitra and > regardless of their position in the chart shani can > alwys give results of shukra and vice versa. Thats the > point I am making. It is not so for moon-mars. > Position in chart is secondary to lordships, they are > important but lordships should trump in my opinion > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Laghu parasarai also says > > > > " 4. The learned should make themselves familiar > > with the fundamentals > > of Astrology through other works. Here only the > > specific principles > > will be explained. " > > > > Ash : Maybe because 1:7 relationship is fundamental. > > 7th sign from > > any sign is enemy. Sign of exaltation is opposite > > that of its > > debilitation and this is for all. > > > > Maybe this is basic info that one is expected to > > know and here only > > general things are given. > > > > Nothing about Ashtakavarga is given either. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thanks. Shani- shukra has a special relationship, > > and > > > laghu parashari does not put any restrictions on > > it. > > > So even when 1:7 they act like samadharmi. > > > > > > This relationship is not accorded to moon-mars > > though. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > This verse is given from laghu prasari. > > > > > > > > " 40. During the sub-period of Saturn in the > > main > > > > ruling period of > > > > Venus, Saturn enhances the result of Venus, so > > is > > > > the case during the > > > > sub-period of Venus in the main ruling period of > > > > Saturn. In other > > > > words the sub-period Lord enacts like the main > > > > ruling period Lord. " > > > > > > > > AS PER KAS > > > > > > > > We say Sa and Ve are Natural Samdharmi. So one > > can > > > > step in for the other. > > > > > > > > We also say that if Venus is spoilt then the > > aspect > > > > of Saturn enhances > > > > the malefic results of Venus. > > > > > > > > Now here they are trying to say that one planet > > will > > > > act like other > > > > and we are saying that they are Samdharmi. > > > > > > > > We also say that that will not be the case when > > Ve > > > > and Sa go into 1:7 > > > > position when they have enmity. So that > > exception > > > > is covered by KAS > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > Actually, KAS had remained in Krushanji's and > > his > > > > Guruji family and > > > > was guarded so there is more chance that the > > > > knowledge remained there > > > > is pure and unadulterated over the passage of > > time. > > > > > > > > Actually, if one studies KAS in detail so many > > VA > > > > concepts will get clear. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Satish, It means that when Param Mitra go into 1:7 means they will have enmity between them and will not step in for each other. It will spoil that nice relationship they have between them by virtue of becoming functional enemies due to their position. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > I gave some more thought to what you said. You are right. They are > param mitra no doubt, They also own 4:10 and 5:9 positions from each > others signs as well. > > So sign house or lordship wise they are param mitra but what happens > when the param mitras take up position of 1:7 means they take up > position of enemity? > > In that case they will cease to be param mitra or we say Nautural > Samdharmi. > > Sign 1 and 7 always have enmity between them and so when Sa and Ve go > into 1:7 position there is a stand off and so they will not replace > each other based on NSD or as you say param mitra theory. > > Yes, they might still, if they become SD in some other form i.e. > Functional Samdharmi means they might conjoin in NAvamsa or Ve might > go into navmsa of Saturn or Saturn might go into navamsa of Venus so > that way they again can become SD but it will be FSD and not NSD. > > Same way for Ma and Mo and Ma and Su. If they go in 1:7 so in that > case mo or su will not replace mars by virtue of being Natural Samdharmi. > > Thanks for making me think more on this concept. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > The shani- shukra relationship has been given special > > consideration and they are called param-mitra and > > regardless of their position in the chart shani can > > alwys give results of shukra and vice versa. Thats the > > point I am making. It is not so for moon-mars. > > Position in chart is secondary to lordships, they are > > important but lordships should trump in my opinion > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Laghu parasarai also says > > > > > > " 4. The learned should make themselves familiar > > > with the fundamentals > > > of Astrology through other works. Here only the > > > specific principles > > > will be explained. " > > > > > > Ash : Maybe because 1:7 relationship is fundamental. > > > 7th sign from > > > any sign is enemy. Sign of exaltation is opposite > > > that of its > > > debilitation and this is for all. > > > > > > Maybe this is basic info that one is expected to > > > know and here only > > > general things are given. > > > > > > Nothing about Ashtakavarga is given either. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thanks. Shani- shukra has a special relationship, > > > and > > > > laghu parashari does not put any restrictions on > > > it. > > > > So even when 1:7 they act like samadharmi. > > > > > > > > This relationship is not accorded to moon-mars > > > though. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > This verse is given from laghu prasari. > > > > > > > > > > " 40. During the sub-period of Saturn in the > > > main > > > > > ruling period of > > > > > Venus, Saturn enhances the result of Venus, so > > > is > > > > > the case during the > > > > > sub-period of Venus in the main ruling period of > > > > > Saturn. In other > > > > > words the sub-period Lord enacts like the main > > > > > ruling period Lord. " > > > > > > > > > > AS PER KAS > > > > > > > > > > We say Sa and Ve are Natural Samdharmi. So one > > > can > > > > > step in for the other. > > > > > > > > > > We also say that if Venus is spoilt then the > > > aspect > > > > > of Saturn enhances > > > > > the malefic results of Venus. > > > > > > > > > > Now here they are trying to say that one planet > > > will > > > > > act like other > > > > > and we are saying that they are Samdharmi. > > > > > > > > > > We also say that that will not be the case when > > > Ve > > > > > and Sa go into 1:7 > > > > > position when they have enmity. So that > > > exception > > > > > is covered by KAS > > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, KAS had remained in Krushanji's and > > > his > > > > > Guruji family and > > > > > was guarded so there is more chance that the > > > > > knowledge remained there > > > > > is pure and unadulterated over the passage of > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, if one studies KAS in detail so many > > > VA > > > > > concepts will get clear. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 What happens when Saturn and Venus are 1.7 for Libra LAGNA they would be forced to give good effects--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Satish, It means that when Param Mitra go into 1:7 means they will have enmity between them and will not step in for each other. It will spoil that nice relationship they have between them by virtue of becoming functional enemies due to their position. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " ashsam73 " wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > I gave some more thought to what you said. You are right. They are > param mitra no doubt, They also own 4:10 and 5:9 positions from each > others signs as well. > > So sign house or lordship wise they are param mitra but what happens > when the param mitras take up position of 1:7 means they take up > position of enemity? > > In that case they will cease to be param mitra or we say Nautural > Samdharmi. > > Sign 1 and 7 always have enmity between them and so when Sa and Ve go > into 1:7 position there is a stand off and so they will not replace > each other based on NSD or as you say param mitra theory. > > Yes, they might still, if they become SD in some other form i.e. > Functional Samdharmi means they might conjoin in NAvamsa or Ve might > go into navmsa of Saturn or Saturn might go into navamsa of Venus so > that way they again can become SD but it will be FSD and not NSD. > > Same way for Ma and Mo and Ma and Su. If they go in 1:7 so in that > case mo or su will not replace mars by virtue of being Natural Samdharmi. > > Thanks for making me think more on this concept. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > The shani- shukra relationship has been given special > > consideration and they are called param-mitra and > > regardless of their position in the chart shani can > > alwys give results of shukra and vice versa. Thats the > > point I am making. It is not so for moon-mars. > > Position in chart is secondary to lordships, they are > > important but lordships should trump in my opinion > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Laghu parasarai also says > > > > > > " 4. The learned should make themselves familiar > > > with the fundamentals > > > of Astrology through other works. Here only the > > > specific principles > > > will be explained. " > > > > > > Ash : Maybe because 1:7 relationship is fundamental. > > > 7th sign from > > > any sign is enemy. Sign of exaltation is opposite > > > that of its > > > debilitation and this is for all. > > > > > > Maybe this is basic info that one is expected to > > > know and here only > > > general things are given. > > > > > > Nothing about Ashtakavarga is given either. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thanks. Shani- shukra has a special relationship, > > > and > > > > laghu parashari does not put any restrictions on > > > it. > > > > So even when 1:7 they act like samadharmi. > > > > > > > > This relationship is not accorded to moon-mars > > > though. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > This verse is given from laghu prasari. > > > > > > > > > > " 40. During the sub-period of Saturn in the > > > main > > > > > ruling period of > > > > > Venus, Saturn enhances the result of Venus, so > > > is > > > > > the case during the > > > > > sub-period of Venus in the main ruling period of > > > > > Saturn. In other > > > > > words the sub-period Lord enacts like the main > > > > > ruling period Lord. " > > > > > > > > > > AS PER KAS > > > > > > > > > > We say Sa and Ve are Natural Samdharmi. So one > > > can > > > > > step in for the other. > > > > > > > > > > We also say that if Venus is spoilt then the > > > aspect > > > > > of Saturn enhances > > > > > the malefic results of Venus. > > > > > > > > > > Now here they are trying to say that one planet > > > will > > > > > act like other > > > > > and we are saying that they are Samdharmi. > > > > > > > > > > We also say that that will not be the case when > > > Ve > > > > > and Sa go into 1:7 > > > > > position when they have enmity. So that > > > exception > > > > > is covered by KAS > > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, KAS had remained in Krushanji's and > > > his > > > > > Guruji family and > > > > > was guarded so there is more chance that the > > > > > knowledge remained there > > > > > is pure and unadulterated over the passage of > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, if one studies KAS in detail so many > > > VA > > > > > concepts will get clear. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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