Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Dear Group, I came across this chart on another group. The lady's sister had died on 9th April 2007. The chart given was 17th Oct 1946 22:00 (was the birth time given, I rectified it to 21:55:50) 52N27 13E19 Time zone of CET -01:00 Planet Degrees As 0 Cn 3 Su 1 Li 40 Mo 5 Cn 41 Ma 23 Li 42 Me 22 Li 12 Ju 12 Li 31 Ve 8 Sc 20 Sa 15 Cn 38 Ra 21 Ta 55 Ke 21 Sc 55 Please do not ask me any questions on this chart. If you all want you all can discuss our laws based on the hints Krushnaji has given. Those who are interested can solve this chart using the laws of KAS and you will know why I have posted this chart. Here a few things for your personal study. 1) Carefully study the antra based on our laws of KAS. 2) Carefully note the pdf (keep in mind +/- 13 days range). 3) Do you think death is possible with Gemini lagna. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Dear Ash, Is this chart of a lady whose sister died or, the chart of sister who died ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Group, I came across this chart on another group. The lady's sister had died on 9th April 2007. The chart given was 17th Oct 1946 22:00 (was the birth time given, I rectified it to 21:55:50) 52N27 13E19 Time zone of CET -01:00 Planet Degrees As 0 Cn 3 Su 1 Li 40 Mo 5 Cn 41 Ma 23 Li 42 Me 22 Li 12 Ju 12 Li 31 Ve 8 Sc 20 Sa 15 Cn 38 Ra 21 Ta 55 Ke 21 Sc 55 Please do not ask me any questions on this chart. If you all want you all can discuss our laws based on the hints Krushnaji has given. Those who are interested can solve this chart using the laws of KAS and you will know why I have posted this chart. Here a few things for your personal study. 1) Carefully study the antra based on our laws of KAS. 2) Carefully note the pdf (keep in mind +/- 13 days range). 3) Do you think death is possible with Gemini lagna. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Dear Ramesh, This is the chart of the lady who has passed on. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > Is this chart of a lady whose sister died or, > the chart of sister who died ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Group, > > I came across this chart on another group. > > The lady's sister had died on 9th April 2007. > > The chart given was > > 17th Oct 1946 > 22:00 (was the birth time given, I rectified it to 21:55:50) > 52N27 > 13E19 > > Time zone of CET -01:00 > > Planet Degrees > As 0 Cn 3 > Su 1 Li 40 > Mo 5 Cn 41 > Ma 23 Li 42 > Me 22 Li 12 > Ju 12 Li 31 > Ve 8 Sc 20 > Sa 15 Cn 38 > Ra 21 Ta 55 > Ke 21 Sc 55 > > Please do not ask me any questions on this chart. > > If you all want you all can discuss our laws based on the hints > Krushnaji has given. > > Those who are interested can solve this chart using the laws of KAS > and you will know why I have posted this chart. > > Here a few things for your personal study. > > 1) Carefully study the antra based on our laws of KAS. > 2) Carefully note the pdf (keep in mind +/- 13 days range). > 3) Do you think death is possible with Gemini lagna. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Hello Ash, The lady died when Su-Ma-Ma was active. Mars from Scorpio leads to 8th house, death. Which is consistant with KAS, Lord D (Mars here) and E. However, I devise a system a directions which seem promiising, having its source on vomshottari dasha and its period of 120 years. I suppose all planets progress through the zodiac (360°) in a 120 years, which make symbolically 1° for 121.7521247 days (many symbolic directions are used in western astrology). So, the day the lady died, her Ascendant squared her Sun, Lord of house 2, a traditional maraka. And when there is a direction between a karaka of the native and a maraka, I often found death in my few tests. I also found some link with the way KAS define its karaka (the 8th lord from the house studied) but still need more work on this system. It seem to work in sidereal (*KAS* like ayanamsha) but not in tropical. I suppose the period of 120 years has something to do with this... Anyway the birthtime seem rather accurate, when rectified at 21h58 CET... Since I only own MS Office 97, I can not use the new KAS Worksheet and can not find and earlier version, except Labouré, excellent version. And Mars has 13 point in this worksheet, so this might explain the " malefic " event. In " my " system a Mercury, lord 12, was active, opposite to natal Mars, lord 5 (heart) and 10, so one might wonder if som long desease is not involved... I will ask the poster about te cause of death. Regards, François. surya.siddhanta «There was indeed a time when the Sun's southerly course began from the middle of the star Ashlesha and the northerly one from the commencement of the star Dhanistha. For, it has been stated so in ancient works.» Varahamihira, Brhat Shamita III, 1, 2. And if the star Rotanev was at the beginning of Dhanistha?... JD0=21 mar 347, 0h06m51s GMT. Ayanamsha 2000.0: 22:59:11.186 ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > This is the chart of the lady who has passed on. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002 wrote: >> >> Dear Ash, >> Is this chart of a lady whose sister died or, >> the chart of sister who died ? >> Thanks and regards. >> Ramesh Mishra >> >> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: >> Dear Group, >> >> I came across this chart on another group. >> >> The lady's sister had died on 9th April 2007. >> >> The chart given was >> >> 17th Oct 1946 >> 22:00 (was the birth time given, I rectified it to 21:55:50) >> 52N27 >> 13E19 >> >> Time zone of CET -01:00 >> >> Planet Degrees >> As 0 Cn 3 >> Su 1 Li 40 >> Mo 5 Cn 41 >> Ma 23 Li 42 >> Me 22 Li 12 >> Ju 12 Li 31 >> Ve 8 Sc 20 >> Sa 15 Cn 38 >> Ra 21 Ta 55 >> Ke 21 Sc 55 >> >> Please do not ask me any questions on this chart. >> >> If you all want you all can discuss our laws based on the hints >> Krushnaji has given. >> >> Those who are interested can solve this chart using the laws of KAS >> and you will know why I have posted this chart. >> >> Here a few things for your personal study. >> >> 1) Carefully study the antra based on our laws of KAS. >> 2) Carefully note the pdf (keep in mind +/- 13 days range). >> 3) Do you think death is possible with Gemini lagna. >> >> Cheers !!! >> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Dear Ash and all, The death occured in the antara of Ma when Su was main lord. Su is 12th lord from 3rd house .LoB is Sa , LoA and LoC is Me for 8th. Sa is weak in 8th but strong in 3rd. Sa occupy lagna and combines with Mo LoE for 8th. Sa aspects 3rd. Su is 12th lord for 3rd . Me LoA and LoC is very close to Ma LoD in 4th house. Ju the 11th an upchaya lord from 8th joins this combination . Ju casts his malefic sight on 8th ( House A ) , 12TH (House C ) and karak sthaan of 3rd. LoD Ma and LoE Mo both makes 4:10 relationship for the matter of 8th. Mo with 6 bindus is in 10th place from Ma with 3 bindus. So Ma is culprit here and will go against his boss Mo. Mo has highest 20 points in WS as against Ma 13 points. So Ma antara triggered as SD to Mo on 09 Apr 2007 when Su was transitting in Pi and in the nak of Me. Me is LoA and LoC and Ju with strong 7 bindus was transitting in House D for 8th. I would like to ask from the list members. When Mo antara was before Ma, then why Mo antara did not give the event of death besides being the highest SAV points of 20 for 8th in WS ? But I could not understand why Su main gave death when the karak for 8th is Me and he does not cast his aspect either on house A or B or C.of 8th .? I think this points need more learning and clarification. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, This is the chart of the lady who has passed on. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > Is this chart of a lady whose sister died or, > the chart of sister who died ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Group, > > I came across this chart on another group. > > The lady's sister had died on 9th April 2007. > > The chart given was > > 17th Oct 1946 > 22:00 (was the birth time given, I rectified it to 21:55:50) > 52N27 > 13E19 > > Time zone of CET -01:00 > > Planet Degrees > As 0 Cn 3 > Su 1 Li 40 > Mo 5 Cn 41 > Ma 23 Li 42 > Me 22 Li 12 > Ju 12 Li 31 > Ve 8 Sc 20 > Sa 15 Cn 38 > Ra 21 Ta 55 > Ke 21 Sc 55 > > Please do not ask me any questions on this chart. > > If you all want you all can discuss our laws based on the hints > Krushnaji has given. > > Those who are interested can solve this chart using the laws of KAS > and you will know why I have posted this chart. > > Here a few things for your personal study. > > 1) Carefully study the antra based on our laws of KAS. > 2) Carefully note the pdf (keep in mind +/- 13 days range). > 3) Do you think death is possible with Gemini lagna. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Dear Francois, You are saying that Mars is LoD or LoE and with 13 points and in the same breath you are saying that its a malefic event ? Do malefic events happen in high points or LoD or LoE? This is the fundamentals of KAS which we are following here. Otherwise what is the meaning of a " Bindu " the very basic of Ashtakavarga. If you are going to find out about the event, can you also find out about the nature of the lady, some other major events of her life as well so a thorough study can be done as well and that will help all on this list :-) Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , <surya.siddhanta wrote: > > Hello Ash, > > The lady died when Su-Ma-Ma was active. Mars from Scorpio leads to 8th > house, death. Which is consistant with KAS, Lord D (Mars here) and E. > However, I devise a system a directions which seem promiising, having its > source on vomshottari dasha and its period of 120 years. I suppose all > planets progress through the zodiac (360°) in a 120 years, which make > symbolically 1° for 121.7521247 days (many symbolic directions are used in > western astrology). So, the day the lady died, her Ascendant squared her > Sun, Lord of house 2, a traditional maraka. And when there is a direction > between a karaka of the native and a maraka, I often found death in my few > tests. I also found some link with the way KAS define its karaka (the 8th > lord from the house studied) but still need more work on this system. It > seem to work in sidereal (*KAS* like ayanamsha) but not in tropical. I > suppose the period of 120 years has something to do with this... Anyway the > birthtime seem rather accurate, when rectified at 21h58 CET... Since I only > own MS Office 97, I can not use the new KAS Worksheet and can not find and > earlier version, except Labouré, excellent version. And Mars has 13 point in > this worksheet, so this might explain the " malefic " event. In " my " system a > Mercury, lord 12, was active, opposite to natal Mars, lord 5 (heart) and 10, > so one might wonder if som long desease is not involved... I will ask the > poster about te cause of death. > > Regards, > François. surya.siddhanta > «There was indeed a time when the Sun's southerly course began from the > middle of the star Ashlesha and the northerly one from the commencement of > the star Dhanistha. For, it has been stated so in ancient works.» > Varahamihira, Brhat Shamita III, 1, 2. And if the star Rotanev was at the > beginning of Dhanistha?... > JD0=21 mar 347, 0h06m51s GMT. Ayanamsha 2000.0: 22:59:11.186 > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Ramesh, > > This is the chart of the lady who has passed on. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Ash, > >> Is this chart of a lady whose sister died or, > >> the chart of sister who died ? > >> Thanks and regards. > >> Ramesh Mishra > >> > >> ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > >> Dear Group, > >> > >> I came across this chart on another group. > >> > >> The lady's sister had died on 9th April 2007. > >> > >> The chart given was > >> > >> 17th Oct 1946 > >> 22:00 (was the birth time given, I rectified it to 21:55:50) > >> 52N27 > >> 13E19 > >> > >> Time zone of CET -01:00 > >> > >> Planet Degrees > >> As 0 Cn 3 > >> Su 1 Li 40 > >> Mo 5 Cn 41 > >> Ma 23 Li 42 > >> Me 22 Li 12 > >> Ju 12 Li 31 > >> Ve 8 Sc 20 > >> Sa 15 Cn 38 > >> Ra 21 Ta 55 > >> Ke 21 Sc 55 > >> > >> Please do not ask me any questions on this chart. > >> > >> If you all want you all can discuss our laws based on the hints > >> Krushnaji has given. > >> > >> Those who are interested can solve this chart using the laws of KAS > >> and you will know why I have posted this chart. > >> > >> Here a few things for your personal study. > >> > >> 1) Carefully study the antra based on our laws of KAS. > >> 2) Carefully note the pdf (keep in mind +/- 13 days range). > >> 3) Do you think death is possible with Gemini lagna. > >> > >> Cheers !!! > >> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Good question. Please re-study my mail carefully. I have given hints in that. You have just overlooked a very basic point that we say in our system at the same time something is striking you, why Moon has not given the result. Yes, you can justify that Mars is LoD so it can give, but why you think Moon has not given? Why do you think, I have rectified the time slightly? What are you overlooking? But I am very happy, that you have questioned about Moon. Moon is LoE AND it has highest power and its placed in House E with 6 bindus and its in shukla pax and its NSD to Mars who is LoE. So study this closely w.r.t timing. I am happy with your attempt. Now I will wait for Anup, Dadhi, Bala, Manu, Gita, Sindhu and others to answer as well. If Francois can get other events as well, so many things can be checked. Ramesh, keep aside the MD and that portion, as we have not been taught. Yes, in one post that I was reading in the archives, Krushanji has clearly mentioned that the antra of Death WILL BE 8TH HOUSE but MD can be and that will show the karaktwa. Here for study purpose (keep aside how that is computed), Sun MD is what caused death and Sun is SD to Me, Ma and Ju and Venus. Sun itself is 2nd lord and is linked to 3rd lord and and MA JU and VE. So the reason of death you can find from that. Sun is in 4th house as well, so that might also be more prone for Breathing problems, also in this chart its more prone for cancer, Heart Attack. In any case, I did not want to go into so much detail so will stop here and wait for Francois email to see if any such things happened. That will be good study. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > The death occured in the antara of Ma when Su was main lord. > Su is 12th lord from 3rd house .LoB is Sa , LoA and LoC is Me for 8th. > Sa is weak in 8th but strong in 3rd. Sa occupy lagna and combines with Mo LoE for 8th. Sa aspects 3rd. > Su is 12th lord for 3rd . Me LoA and LoC is very close to Ma LoD in 4th house. > Ju the 11th an upchaya lord from 8th joins this combination . > Ju casts his malefic sight on 8th ( House A ) , 12TH (House C ) and karak sthaan of 3rd. > LoD Ma and LoE Mo both makes 4:10 relationship for the matter of 8th. > Mo with 6 bindus is in 10th place from Ma with 3 bindus. So Ma is culprit here and will go against his boss Mo. > Mo has highest 20 points in WS as against Ma 13 points. So Ma antara triggered as SD to Mo on 09 Apr 2007 when Su was transitting in Pi and in the nak of Me. > Me is LoA and LoC and Ju with strong 7 bindus was transitting in House D for 8th. > I would like to ask from the list members. > When Mo antara was before Ma, then why Mo antara did not give the event of death besides being the highest SAV points of 20 for 8th in WS ? > But I could not understand why Su main gave death when the karak for 8th is Me and he does not cast his aspect either on house A or B or C.of 8th .? > I think this points need more learning and clarification. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > This is the chart of the lady who has passed on. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Is this chart of a lady whose sister died or, > > the chart of sister who died ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Group, > > > > I came across this chart on another group. > > > > The lady's sister had died on 9th April 2007. > > > > The chart given was > > > > 17th Oct 1946 > > 22:00 (was the birth time given, I rectified it to 21:55:50) > > 52N27 > > 13E19 > > > > Time zone of CET -01:00 > > > > Planet Degrees > > As 0 Cn 3 > > Su 1 Li 40 > > Mo 5 Cn 41 > > Ma 23 Li 42 > > Me 22 Li 12 > > Ju 12 Li 31 > > Ve 8 Sc 20 > > Sa 15 Cn 38 > > Ra 21 Ta 55 > > Ke 21 Sc 55 > > > > Please do not ask me any questions on this chart. > > > > If you all want you all can discuss our laws based on the hints > > Krushnaji has given. > > > > Those who are interested can solve this chart using the laws of KAS > > and you will know why I have posted this chart. > > > > Here a few things for your personal study. > > > > 1) Carefully study the antra based on our laws of KAS. > > 2) Carefully note the pdf (keep in mind +/- 13 days range). > > 3) Do you think death is possible with Gemini lagna. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Dear Ash, Ramesh and all list, I miss my mails y'day , was away for sm reasons and cld nt attempt chart given by Ash. Well in the begining , i wld like to write that we sld fix the mahadasha first in which death can heppen. A native can die his natural death in the mahadasha of 3rd lord , the house of life also .Here 3rd lord is Mer and it is also NK for the 8th house. But the lady died in Sun MD and not in Mer MD This means lady died due to sm accident, ill health etc and not a natural death. And 7th house we treat for all these unnatural deaths. 2nd house is karka for 7th. So Sun is the karka (2nd lord) So Sun MD can give the unnatural death too.. After this as ramesh explained all in detail 1st and 5th lord can be eager to give result for 8th house being Lod, LoE, being Mars and Moon respectively Here Moon is getting more points(6) and Mars (3) So Mars will be Sd to Moon and can give the death in Sun MD. But moon is strongest with 20pts in summary chart and Mars only 13 And Moon antra comes first, and it sld give the death. Death happened in when sun trasit Jup sign and conselletation of Mer. Here , i think Ash has rectified the time and death may also happe when Sun may transit in sign of Mars and nakshatra of Ketu between i.e 14thapril to 27 april I may be wrong smwhere but will give my reasoning in next mail. The unanswered question why Moon antra didnt give the death being strongest and have low points(8 )in 3rd house. This is exactly as per KAS rules. But why Moon antra didnt work? Can Gemini Asc give the result, sld be worked next. I shall give am reasoning in next mail till list can write down their views. Regards Anup ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Good question. Please re-study my mail carefully. I have given hints in that. You have just overlooked a very basic point that we say in our system at the same time something is striking you, why Moon has not given the result. Yes, you can justify that Mars is LoD so it can give, but why you think Moon has not given? Why do you think, I have rectified the time slightly? What are you overlooking? But I am very happy, that you have questioned about Moon. Moon is LoE AND it has highest power and its placed in House E with 6 bindus and its in shukla pax and its NSD to Mars who is LoE. So study this closely w.r.t timing. I am happy with your attempt. Now I will wait for Anup, Dadhi, Bala, Manu, Gita, Sindhu and others to answer as well. If Francois can get other events as well, so many things can be checked. Ramesh, keep aside the MD and that portion, as we have not been taught. Yes, in one post that I was reading in the archives, Krushanji has clearly mentioned that the antra of Death WILL BE 8TH HOUSE but MD can be and that will show the karaktwa. Here for study purpose (keep aside how that is computed), Sun MD is what caused death and Sun is SD to Me, Ma and Ju and Venus. Sun itself is 2nd lord and is linked to 3rd lord and and MA JU and VE. So the reason of death you can find from that. Sun is in 4th house as well, so that might also be more prone for Breathing problems, also in this chart its more prone for cancer, Heart Attack. In any case, I did not want to go into so much detail so will stop here and wait for Francois email to see if any such things happened. That will be good study. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > The death occured in the antara of Ma when Su was main lord. > Su is 12th lord from 3rd house .LoB is Sa , LoA and LoC is Me for 8th. > Sa is weak in 8th but strong in 3rd. Sa occupy lagna and combines with Mo LoE for 8th. Sa aspects 3rd. > Su is 12th lord for 3rd . Me LoA and LoC is very close to Ma LoD in 4th house. > Ju the 11th an upchaya lord from 8th joins this combination . > Ju casts his malefic sight on 8th ( House A ) , 12TH (House C ) and karak sthaan of 3rd. > LoD Ma and LoE Mo both makes 4:10 relationship for the matter of 8th. > Mo with 6 bindus is in 10th place from Ma with 3 bindus. So Ma is culprit here and will go against his boss Mo. > Mo has highest 20 points in WS as against Ma 13 points. So Ma antara triggered as SD to Mo on 09 Apr 2007 when Su was transitting in Pi and in the nak of Me. > Me is LoA and LoC and Ju with strong 7 bindus was transitting in House D for 8th. > I would like to ask from the list members. > When Mo antara was before Ma, then why Mo antara did not give the event of death besides being the highest SAV points of 20 for 8th in WS ? > But I could not understand why Su main gave death when the karak for 8th is Me and he does not cast his aspect either on house A or B or C.of 8th .? > I think this points need more learning and clarification. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > This is the chart of the lady who has passed on. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Is this chart of a lady whose sister died or, > > the chart of sister who died ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Group, > > > > I came across this chart on another group. > > > > The lady's sister had died on 9th April 2007. > > > > The chart given was > > > > 17th Oct 1946 > > 22:00 (was the birth time given, I rectified it to 21:55:50) > > 52N27 > > 13E19 > > > > Time zone of CET -01:00 > > > > Planet Degrees > > As 0 Cn 3 > > Su 1 Li 40 > > Mo 5 Cn 41 > > Ma 23 Li 42 > > Me 22 Li 12 > > Ju 12 Li 31 > > Ve 8 Sc 20 > > Sa 15 Cn 38 > > Ra 21 Ta 55 > > Ke 21 Sc 55 > > > > Please do not ask me any questions on this chart. > > > > If you all want you all can discuss our laws based on the hints > > Krushnaji has given. > > > > Those who are interested can solve this chart using the laws of KAS > > and you will know why I have posted this chart. > > > > Here a few things for your personal study. > > > > 1) Carefully study the antra based on our laws of KAS. > > 2) Carefully note the pdf (keep in mind +/- 13 days range). > > 3) Do you think death is possible with Gemini lagna. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Hello, The reason I can think of why moon did not give the result, I may be way off 1. It is samadharmi to lod of B shani, I am not sure whether this would disqulify him from giving result of house B 2.Moon although lord of E and has 6 points. May be as it has 6 points it is going to strengthen the house it resides in which is lagna. So a planet that strengthens lagna can not be death inflicting. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > Good question. Please re-study my mail carefully. > I have given hints > in that. You have just overlooked a very basic > point that we say in > our system at the same time something is striking > you, why Moon has > not given the result. > > Yes, you can justify that Mars is LoD so it can > give, but why you > think Moon has not given? > > Why do you think, I have rectified the time > slightly? What are you > overlooking? > > But I am very happy, that you have questioned about > Moon. > > Moon is LoE AND it has highest power and its placed > in House E with 6 > bindus and its in shukla pax and its NSD to Mars who > is LoE. > > So study this closely w.r.t timing. > > I am happy with your attempt. > > Now I will wait for Anup, Dadhi, Bala, Manu, Gita, > Sindhu and others > to answer as well. > > If Francois can get other events as well, so many > things can be checked. > > Ramesh, keep aside the MD and that portion, as we > have not been taught. > > Yes, in one post that I was reading in the archives, > Krushanji has > clearly mentioned that the antra of Death WILL BE > 8TH HOUSE but MD can > be and that will show the karaktwa. > > Here for study purpose (keep aside how that is > computed), Sun MD is > what caused death and Sun is SD to Me, Ma and Ju and > Venus. > > Sun itself is 2nd lord and is linked to 3rd lord and > and MA JU and VE. > So the reason of death you can find from that. > > Sun is in 4th house as well, so that might also be > more prone for > Breathing problems, also in this chart its more > prone for cancer, > Heart Attack. > > In any case, I did not want to go into so much > detail so will stop > here and wait for Francois email to see if any such > things happened. > That will be good study. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Dear Anup, We missed you on the list. The list became quite in your absence. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Anup <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Ash, Ramesh and all list, I miss my mails y'day , was away for sm reasons and cld nt attempt chart given by Ash. Well in the begining , i wld like to write that we sld fix the mahadasha first in which death can heppen. A native can die his natural death in the mahadasha of 3rd lord , the house of life also .Here 3rd lord is Mer and it is also NK for the 8th house. But the lady died in Sun MD and not in Mer MD This means lady died due to sm accident, ill health etc and not a natural death. And 7th house we treat for all these unnatural deaths. 2nd house is karka for 7th. So Sun is the karka (2nd lord) So Sun MD can give the unnatural death too.. After this as ramesh explained all in detail 1st and 5th lord can be eager to give result for 8th house being Lod, LoE, being Mars and Moon respectively Here Moon is getting more points(6) and Mars (3) So Mars will be Sd to Moon and can give the death in Sun MD. But moon is strongest with 20pts in summary chart and Mars only 13 And Moon antra comes first, and it sld give the death. Death happened in when sun trasit Jup sign and conselletation of Mer. Here , i think Ash has rectified the time and death may also happe when Sun may transit in sign of Mars and nakshatra of Ketu between i.e 14thapril to 27 april I may be wrong smwhere but will give my reasoning in next mail. The unanswered question why Moon antra didnt give the death being strongest and have low points(8 )in 3rd house. This is exactly as per KAS rules. But why Moon antra didnt work? Can Gemini Asc give the result, sld be worked next. I shall give am reasoning in next mail till list can write down their views. Regards Anup ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Good question. Please re-study my mail carefully. I have given hints in that. You have just overlooked a very basic point that we say in our system at the same time something is striking you, why Moon has not given the result. Yes, you can justify that Mars is LoD so it can give, but why you think Moon has not given? Why do you think, I have rectified the time slightly? What are you overlooking? But I am very happy, that you have questioned about Moon. Moon is LoE AND it has highest power and its placed in House E with 6 bindus and its in shukla pax and its NSD to Mars who is LoE. So study this closely w.r.t timing. I am happy with your attempt. Now I will wait for Anup, Dadhi, Bala, Manu, Gita, Sindhu and others to answer as well. If Francois can get other events as well, so many things can be checked. Ramesh, keep aside the MD and that portion, as we have not been taught. Yes, in one post that I was reading in the archives, Krushanji has clearly mentioned that the antra of Death WILL BE 8TH HOUSE but MD can be and that will show the karaktwa. Here for study purpose (keep aside how that is computed), Sun MD is what caused death and Sun is SD to Me, Ma and Ju and Venus. Sun itself is 2nd lord and is linked to 3rd lord and and MA JU and VE. So the reason of death you can find from that. Sun is in 4th house as well, so that might also be more prone for Breathing problems, also in this chart its more prone for cancer, Heart Attack. In any case, I did not want to go into so much detail so will stop here and wait for Francois email to see if any such things happened. That will be good study. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > The death occured in the antara of Ma when Su was main lord. > Su is 12th lord from 3rd house .LoB is Sa , LoA and LoC is Me for 8th. > Sa is weak in 8th but strong in 3rd. Sa occupy lagna and combines with Mo LoE for 8th. Sa aspects 3rd. > Su is 12th lord for 3rd . Me LoA and LoC is very close to Ma LoD in 4th house. > Ju the 11th an upchaya lord from 8th joins this combination . > Ju casts his malefic sight on 8th ( House A ) , 12TH (House C ) and karak sthaan of 3rd. > LoD Ma and LoE Mo both makes 4:10 relationship for the matter of 8th. > Mo with 6 bindus is in 10th place from Ma with 3 bindus. So Ma is culprit here and will go against his boss Mo. > Mo has highest 20 points in WS as against Ma 13 points. So Ma antara triggered as SD to Mo on 09 Apr 2007 when Su was transitting in Pi and in the nak of Me. > Me is LoA and LoC and Ju with strong 7 bindus was transitting in House D for 8th. > I would like to ask from the list members. > When Mo antara was before Ma, then why Mo antara did not give the event of death besides being the highest SAV points of 20 for 8th in WS ? > But I could not understand why Su main gave death when the karak for 8th is Me and he does not cast his aspect either on house A or B or C.of 8th .? > I think this points need more learning and clarification. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > This is the chart of the lady who has passed on. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Is this chart of a lady whose sister died or, > > the chart of sister who died ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Group, > > > > I came across this chart on another group. > > > > The lady's sister had died on 9th April 2007. > > > > The chart given was > > > > 17th Oct 1946 > > 22:00 (was the birth time given, I rectified it to 21:55:50) > > 52N27 > > 13E19 > > > > Time zone of CET -01:00 > > > > Planet Degrees > > As 0 Cn 3 > > Su 1 Li 40 > > Mo 5 Cn 41 > > Ma 23 Li 42 > > Me 22 Li 12 > > Ju 12 Li 31 > > Ve 8 Sc 20 > > Sa 15 Cn 38 > > Ra 21 Ta 55 > > Ke 21 Sc 55 > > > > Please do not ask me any questions on this chart. > > > > If you all want you all can discuss our laws based on the hints > > Krushnaji has given. > > > > Those who are interested can solve this chart using the laws of KAS > > and you will know why I have posted this chart. > > > > Here a few things for your personal study. > > > > 1) Carefully study the antra based on our laws of KAS. > > 2) Carefully note the pdf (keep in mind +/- 13 days range). > > 3) Do you think death is possible with Gemini lagna. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Dear Ash, If we move the time back by 5-10 minutes, that would give mithuna lagna , now LOD is shukra and LOE is budh. Mangal is samadharmi to both mercury and shukra and moon is not in the picture for result of 8th house. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > Good question. Please re-study my mail carefully. > I have given hints > in that. You have just overlooked a very basic > point that we say in > our system at the same time something is striking > you, why Moon has > not given the result. > > Yes, you can justify that Mars is LoD so it can > give, but why you > think Moon has not given? > > Why do you think, I have rectified the time > slightly? What are you > overlooking? > > But I am very happy, that you have questioned about > Moon. > > Moon is LoE AND it has highest power and its placed > in House E with 6 > bindus and its in shukla pax and its NSD to Mars who > is LoE. > > So study this closely w.r.t timing. > > I am happy with your attempt. > > Now I will wait for Anup, Dadhi, Bala, Manu, Gita, > Sindhu and others > to answer as well. > > If Francois can get other events as well, so many > things can be checked. > > Ramesh, keep aside the MD and that portion, as we > have not been taught. > > Yes, in one post that I was reading in the archives, > Krushanji has > clearly mentioned that the antra of Death WILL BE > 8TH HOUSE but MD can > be and that will show the karaktwa. > > Here for study purpose (keep aside how that is > computed), Sun MD is > what caused death and Sun is SD to Me, Ma and Ju and > Venus. > > Sun itself is 2nd lord and is linked to 3rd lord and > and MA JU and VE. > So the reason of death you can find from that. > > Sun is in 4th house as well, so that might also be > more prone for > Breathing problems, also in this chart its more > prone for cancer, > Heart Attack. > > In any case, I did not want to go into so much > detail so will stop > here and wait for Francois email to see if any such > things happened. > That will be good study. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Dear Ash, Ash aptly has given such a nice exercise to the group.Thanks Ash. Now taking Gemini as Asc, we find Moon and Sat in 2nd house. Death happened in SUN antra here natural death happend in 3rd lord So Sun approves its presence as MD In navamsa,moon is in Sun's navamsa, Sat is in Mars navamsa, in 6th house Sat is strongest in 8th house with 59 points Which antra sld we chose? Death happened in Moon antra. But Lod is Venus Loe is Mer Moon is SD to Sun and Sat. Sat is SD to Moon. And strongest is Sat having more points to qualify in 8th house. Both Moon and Sat are also having more than 12 points in 3rd house in summary chart. Moon is also weak in 8th house having 10 points. Equation somehow doesnot show results, i think so, though Sun MD tallied as natural death, though it is not defined death was natural or otherwise. Even Moon antra does not justify to give result as such. So, taking Gemini as Asc, it may be a good exercise to find out death in given antra. But previous attempt is worth. Just a important subject to learn or attempt is like anything, i am a beginer though:) I am waiting for the other list members to attempt this to continue and learn more and more. Regards Anup Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Anup, We missed you on the list. The list became quite in your absence. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Anup <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Ash, Ramesh and all list, I miss my mails y'day , was away for sm reasons and cld nt attempt chart given by Ash. Well in the begining , i wld like to write that we sld fix the mahadasha first in which death can heppen. A native can die his natural death in the mahadasha of 3rd lord , the house of life also .Here 3rd lord is Mer and it is also NK for the 8th house. But the lady died in Sun MD and not in Mer MD This means lady died due to sm accident, ill health etc and not a natural death. And 7th house we treat for all these unnatural deaths. 2nd house is karka for 7th. So Sun is the karka (2nd lord) So Sun MD can give the unnatural death too.. After this as ramesh explained all in detail 1st and 5th lord can be eager to give result for 8th house being Lod, LoE, being Mars and Moon respectively Here Moon is getting more points(6) and Mars (3) So Mars will be Sd to Moon and can give the death in Sun MD. But moon is strongest with 20pts in summary chart and Mars only 13 And Moon antra comes first, and it sld give the death. Death happened in when sun trasit Jup sign and conselletation of Mer. Here , i think Ash has rectified the time and death may also happe when Sun may transit in sign of Mars and nakshatra of Ketu between i.e 14thapril to 27 april I may be wrong smwhere but will give my reasoning in next mail. The unanswered question why Moon antra didnt give the death being strongest and have low points(8 )in 3rd house. This is exactly as per KAS rules. But why Moon antra didnt work? Can Gemini Asc give the result, sld be worked next. I shall give am reasoning in next mail till list can write down their views. Regards Anup ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Good question. Please re-study my mail carefully. I have given hints in that. You have just overlooked a very basic point that we say in our system at the same time something is striking you, why Moon has not given the result. Yes, you can justify that Mars is LoD so it can give, but why you think Moon has not given? Why do you think, I have rectified the time slightly? What are you overlooking? But I am very happy, that you have questioned about Moon. Moon is LoE AND it has highest power and its placed in House E with 6 bindus and its in shukla pax and its NSD to Mars who is LoE. So study this closely w.r.t timing. I am happy with your attempt. Now I will wait for Anup, Dadhi, Bala, Manu, Gita, Sindhu and others to answer as well. If Francois can get other events as well, so many things can be checked. Ramesh, keep aside the MD and that portion, as we have not been taught. Yes, in one post that I was reading in the archives, Krushanji has clearly mentioned that the antra of Death WILL BE 8TH HOUSE but MD can be and that will show the karaktwa. Here for study purpose (keep aside how that is computed), Sun MD is what caused death and Sun is SD to Me, Ma and Ju and Venus. Sun itself is 2nd lord and is linked to 3rd lord and and MA JU and VE. So the reason of death you can find from that. Sun is in 4th house as well, so that might also be more prone for Breathing problems, also in this chart its more prone for cancer, Heart Attack. In any case, I did not want to go into so much detail so will stop here and wait for Francois email to see if any such things happened. That will be good study. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > The death occured in the antara of Ma when Su was main lord. > Su is 12th lord from 3rd house .LoB is Sa , LoA and LoC is Me for 8th. > Sa is weak in 8th but strong in 3rd. Sa occupy lagna and combines with Mo LoE for 8th. Sa aspects 3rd. > Su is 12th lord for 3rd . Me LoA and LoC is very close to Ma LoD in 4th house. > Ju the 11th an upchaya lord from 8th joins this combination . > Ju casts his malefic sight on 8th ( House A ) , 12TH (House C ) and karak sthaan of 3rd. > LoD Ma and LoE Mo both makes 4:10 relationship for the matter of 8th. > Mo with 6 bindus is in 10th place from Ma with 3 bindus. So Ma is culprit here and will go against his boss Mo. > Mo has highest 20 points in WS as against Ma 13 points. So Ma antara triggered as SD to Mo on 09 Apr 2007 when Su was transitting in Pi and in the nak of Me. > Me is LoA and LoC and Ju with strong 7 bindus was transitting in House D for 8th. > I would like to ask from the list members. > When Mo antara was before Ma, then why Mo antara did not give the event of death besides being the highest SAV points of 20 for 8th in WS ? > But I could not understand why Su main gave death when the karak for 8th is Me and he does not cast his aspect either on house A or B or C.of 8th .? > I think this points need more learning and clarification. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > This is the chart of the lady who has passed on. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Is this chart of a lady whose sister died or, > > the chart of sister who died ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Group, > > > > I came across this chart on another group. > > > > The lady's sister had died on 9th April 2007. > > > > The chart given was > > > > 17th Oct 1946 > > 22:00 (was the birth time given, I rectified it to 21:55:50) > > 52N27 > > 13E19 > > > > Time zone of CET -01:00 > > > > Planet Degrees > > As 0 Cn 3 > > Su 1 Li 40 > > Mo 5 Cn 41 > > Ma 23 Li 42 > > Me 22 Li 12 > > Ju 12 Li 31 > > Ve 8 Sc 20 > > Sa 15 Cn 38 > > Ra 21 Ta 55 > > Ke 21 Sc 55 > > > > Please do not ask me any questions on this chart. > > > > If you all want you all can discuss our laws based on the hints > > Krushnaji has given. > > > > Those who are interested can solve this chart using the laws of KAS > > and you will know why I have posted this chart. > > > > Here a few things for your personal study. > > > > 1) Carefully study the antra based on our laws of KAS. > > 2) Carefully note the pdf (keep in mind +/- 13 days range). > > 3) Do you think death is possible with Gemini lagna. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Plz read " Death happened in SUN antra " as Sun MD Anup Anup <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Ash, Ash aptly has given such a nice exercise to the group.Thanks Ash. Now taking Gemini as Asc, we find Moon and Sat in 2nd house. Death happened in SUN antra here natural death happend in 3rd lord So Sun approves its presence as MD In navamsa,moon is in Sun's navamsa, Sat is in Mars navamsa, in 6th house Sat is strongest in 8th house with 59 points Which antra sld we chose? Death happened in Moon antra. But Lod is Venus Loe is Mer Moon is SD to Sun and Sat. Sat is SD to Moon. And strongest is Sat having more points to qualify in 8th house. Both Moon and Sat are also having more than 12 points in 3rd house in summary chart. Moon is also weak in 8th house having 10 points. Equation somehow doesnot show results, i think so, though Sun MD tallied as natural death, though it is not defined death was natural or otherwise. Even Moon antra does not justify to give result as such. So, taking Gemini as Asc, it may be a good exercise to find out death in given antra. But previous attempt is worth. Just a important subject to learn or attempt is like anything, i am a beginer though:) I am waiting for the other list members to attempt this to continue and learn more and more. Regards Anup Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Anup, We missed you on the list. The list became quite in your absence. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Anup <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Ash, Ramesh and all list, I miss my mails y'day , was away for sm reasons and cld nt attempt chart given by Ash. Well in the begining , i wld like to write that we sld fix the mahadasha first in which death can heppen. A native can die his natural death in the mahadasha of 3rd lord , the house of life also .Here 3rd lord is Mer and it is also NK for the 8th house. But the lady died in Sun MD and not in Mer MD This means lady died due to sm accident, ill health etc and not a natural death. And 7th house we treat for all these unnatural deaths. 2nd house is karka for 7th. So Sun is the karka (2nd lord) So Sun MD can give the unnatural death too.. After this as ramesh explained all in detail 1st and 5th lord can be eager to give result for 8th house being Lod, LoE, being Mars and Moon respectively Here Moon is getting more points(6) and Mars (3) So Mars will be Sd to Moon and can give the death in Sun MD. But moon is strongest with 20pts in summary chart and Mars only 13 And Moon antra comes first, and it sld give the death. Death happened in when sun trasit Jup sign and conselletation of Mer. Here , i think Ash has rectified the time and death may also happe when Sun may transit in sign of Mars and nakshatra of Ketu between i.e 14thapril to 27 april I may be wrong smwhere but will give my reasoning in next mail. The unanswered question why Moon antra didnt give the death being strongest and have low points(8 )in 3rd house. This is exactly as per KAS rules. But why Moon antra didnt work? Can Gemini Asc give the result, sld be worked next. I shall give am reasoning in next mail till list can write down their views. Regards Anup ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Good question. Please re-study my mail carefully. I have given hints in that. You have just overlooked a very basic point that we say in our system at the same time something is striking you, why Moon has not given the result. Yes, you can justify that Mars is LoD so it can give, but why you think Moon has not given? Why do you think, I have rectified the time slightly? What are you overlooking? But I am very happy, that you have questioned about Moon. Moon is LoE AND it has highest power and its placed in House E with 6 bindus and its in shukla pax and its NSD to Mars who is LoE. So study this closely w.r.t timing. I am happy with your attempt. Now I will wait for Anup, Dadhi, Bala, Manu, Gita, Sindhu and others to answer as well. If Francois can get other events as well, so many things can be checked. Ramesh, keep aside the MD and that portion, as we have not been taught. Yes, in one post that I was reading in the archives, Krushanji has clearly mentioned that the antra of Death WILL BE 8TH HOUSE but MD can be and that will show the karaktwa. Here for study purpose (keep aside how that is computed), Sun MD is what caused death and Sun is SD to Me, Ma and Ju and Venus. Sun itself is 2nd lord and is linked to 3rd lord and and MA JU and VE. So the reason of death you can find from that. Sun is in 4th house as well, so that might also be more prone for Breathing problems, also in this chart its more prone for cancer, Heart Attack. In any case, I did not want to go into so much detail so will stop here and wait for Francois email to see if any such things happened. That will be good study. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > The death occured in the antara of Ma when Su was main lord. > Su is 12th lord from 3rd house .LoB is Sa , LoA and LoC is Me for 8th. > Sa is weak in 8th but strong in 3rd. Sa occupy lagna and combines with Mo LoE for 8th. Sa aspects 3rd. > Su is 12th lord for 3rd . Me LoA and LoC is very close to Ma LoD in 4th house. > Ju the 11th an upchaya lord from 8th joins this combination . > Ju casts his malefic sight on 8th ( House A ) , 12TH (House C ) and karak sthaan of 3rd. > LoD Ma and LoE Mo both makes 4:10 relationship for the matter of 8th. > Mo with 6 bindus is in 10th place from Ma with 3 bindus. So Ma is culprit here and will go against his boss Mo. > Mo has highest 20 points in WS as against Ma 13 points. So Ma antara triggered as SD to Mo on 09 Apr 2007 when Su was transitting in Pi and in the nak of Me. > Me is LoA and LoC and Ju with strong 7 bindus was transitting in House D for 8th. > I would like to ask from the list members. > When Mo antara was before Ma, then why Mo antara did not give the event of death besides being the highest SAV points of 20 for 8th in WS ? > But I could not understand why Su main gave death when the karak for 8th is Me and he does not cast his aspect either on house A or B or C.of 8th .? > I think this points need more learning and clarification. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > This is the chart of the lady who has passed on. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Is this chart of a lady whose sister died or, > > the chart of sister who died ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Group, > > > > I came across this chart on another group. > > > > The lady's sister had died on 9th April 2007. > > > > The chart given was > > > > 17th Oct 1946 > > 22:00 (was the birth time given, I rectified it to 21:55:50) > > 52N27 > > 13E19 > > > > Time zone of CET -01:00 > > > > Planet Degrees > > As 0 Cn 3 > > Su 1 Li 40 > > Mo 5 Cn 41 > > Ma 23 Li 42 > > Me 22 Li 12 > > Ju 12 Li 31 > > Ve 8 Sc 20 > > Sa 15 Cn 38 > > Ra 21 Ta 55 > > Ke 21 Sc 55 > > > > Please do not ask me any questions on this chart. > > > > If you all want you all can discuss our laws based on the hints > > Krushnaji has given. > > > > Those who are interested can solve this chart using the laws of KAS > > and you will know why I have posted this chart. > > > > Here a few things for your personal study. > > > > 1) Carefully study the antra based on our laws of KAS. > > 2) Carefully note the pdf (keep in mind +/- 13 days range). > > 3) Do you think death is possible with Gemini lagna. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Hi all, Sorry for not participating in this chart study. I personally am not very comfortable timing death or more gruesome stuff. Hopefully will get over this inhibitions and learn to understand those concepts as well. Regards, Sindhu --- Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Anup, > We missed you on the list. The list became quite in > your absence. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > Anup <dalh_1 wrote: > Dear Ash, Ramesh and all list, > > I miss my mails y'day > , was away for sm reasons and cld nt attempt chart > given by Ash. > Well in the begining , i wld like to write that > we sld fix the mahadasha first in which death can > heppen. > A native can die his natural death in the > mahadasha of 3rd lord , the house of life also .Here > 3rd lord is Mer and it is also NK for the 8th house. > But the lady died in Sun MD and not in Mer MD > > This means lady died due to sm accident, ill > health etc and not a natural death. > And 7th house we treat for all these unnatural > deaths. > > 2nd house is karka for 7th. > So Sun is the karka (2nd lord) > So Sun MD can give the unnatural death too.. > > After this as ramesh explained all in detail 1st > and 5th lord can be eager to give result for 8th > house being Lod, LoE, being Mars and Moon > respectively > Here Moon is getting more points(6) and Mars (3) > So Mars will be Sd to Moon and can give the death > in Sun MD. > But moon is strongest with 20pts in summary chart > and Mars only 13 > And Moon antra comes first, and it sld give the > death. > Death happened in when sun trasit Jup sign and > conselletation of Mer. > > Here , i think Ash has rectified the time and > death may also happe when Sun may transit in sign of > Mars and nakshatra of Ketu between i.e 14thapril to > 27 april > I may be wrong smwhere but will give my reasoning > in next mail. > The unanswered question why Moon antra didnt give > the death being strongest and have low points(8 )in > 3rd house. > This is exactly as per KAS rules. > But why Moon antra didnt work? > Can Gemini Asc give the result, sld be worked > next. > I shall give am reasoning in next mail till list > can write down their views. > > Regards > Anup > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > Good question. Please re-study my mail carefully. I > have given hints > in that. You have just overlooked a very basic > point that we say in > our system at the same time something is striking > you, why Moon has > not given the result. > > Yes, you can justify that Mars is LoD so it can > give, but why you > think Moon has not given? > > Why do you think, I have rectified the time > slightly? What are you > overlooking? > > But I am very happy, that you have questioned about > Moon. > > Moon is LoE AND it has highest power and its placed > in House E with 6 > bindus and its in shukla pax and its NSD to Mars > who is LoE. > > So study this closely w.r.t timing. > > I am happy with your attempt. > > Now I will wait for Anup, Dadhi, Bala, Manu, Gita, > Sindhu and others > to answer as well. > > If Francois can get other events as well, so many > things can be checked. > > Ramesh, keep aside the MD and that portion, as we > have not been taught. > > Yes, in one post that I was reading in the > archives, Krushanji has > clearly mentioned that the antra of Death WILL BE > 8TH HOUSE but MD can > be and that will show the karaktwa. > > Here for study purpose (keep aside how that is > computed), Sun MD is > what caused death and Sun is SD to Me, Ma and Ju > and Venus. > > Sun itself is 2nd lord and is linked to 3rd lord > and and MA JU and VE. > So the reason of death you can find from that. > > Sun is in 4th house as well, so that might also be > more prone for > Breathing problems, also in this chart its more > prone for cancer, > Heart Attack. > > In any case, I did not want to go into so much > detail so will stop > here and wait for Francois email to see if any such > things happened. > That will be good study. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , > ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > > > Dear Ash and all, > > The death occured in the antara of Ma when Su was > main lord. > > Su is 12th lord from 3rd house .LoB is Sa , LoA > and LoC is Me for 8th. > > Sa is weak in 8th but strong in 3rd. Sa occupy > lagna and combines > with Mo LoE for 8th. Sa aspects 3rd. > > Su is 12th lord for 3rd . Me LoA and LoC is very > close to Ma LoD > in 4th house. > > Ju the 11th an upchaya lord from 8th joins this > combination . > > Ju casts his malefic sight on 8th ( House A ) , > 12TH (House C ) > and karak sthaan of 3rd. > > LoD Ma and LoE Mo both makes 4:10 relationship > for the matter of 8th. > > Mo with 6 bindus is in 10th place from Ma with 3 > bindus. So Ma is > culprit here and will go against his boss Mo. > > Mo has highest 20 points in WS as against Ma 13 > points. So Ma > antara triggered as SD to Mo on 09 Apr 2007 when Su > was transitting in > Pi and in the nak of Me. > > Me is LoA and LoC and Ju with strong 7 bindus was > transitting in > House D for 8th. > > I would like to ask from the list members. > > When Mo antara was before Ma, then why Mo antara > did not give the > event of death besides being the highest SAV points > of 20 for 8th in WS ? > > But I could not understand why Su main gave death > when the karak > for 8th is Me and he does not cast his aspect > either on house A or B > or C.of 8th .? > > I think this points need more learning and > clarification. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > This is the chart of the lady who has passed on. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > Is this chart of a lady whose sister died or, > > > the chart of sister who died ? > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > Dear Group, > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Dear Ash, Anup, Satish and all, I agree with the point given by Anup that in case of natural death the MD lord will be 3rd but due to any other reason for death MD lord will show the karkatwa of death. In this chart the death occured in the MD lord of 2nd who is karkak of 7th. The 7th house denotes accident or death due to prolong illness and any other desease. MD lord Su will give the karakatwa of 7th. Su occupy 4th with Ju (12th lord of 7th). Su is strong with 5 bindus in house D for 7th so Su can give the event in its MD period. LoD for 7th is Ve and LoE for 7th is Me.Me is highest significator with 25 points for 7th. Ma , the death inflicting planet is the second highest significator with 20 points for 7th and occupy house D . Ma is LoD for 8th. This Ma with 3 bindus is in 10th place from 7th and aspects 7th house with benefic sight.Thus Ma helps the 7th house. On the other hand Sa is 12th lord too for 8th house and aspects 7th house. Sa also aspects 3rd, it means Sa is eliminated from the queue of giving results during its antara for 8th house matter. For 7th the significators are Sa, Su and Ve. Sa aspects 7th so Sa is again eliminated for 7th house result. Ma is SD to Me ( LoE for 7th ) is eager to give the event of 7th house of accident. Me is also LoC for 8th. Ju the 12th lord of 7th is strongly occupying 4th house thus casting his malefic aspect on 8th and 12th. Ju can not give its result for 8th There is an exchange between the LoD for 7th and LoD for 8th So the antara planet of Ma is very eager to give the event of 7th as well as of 8th. Mo being the highest significator of 8th can not give the result because Mo aspects 7th . Death might have occurred due to either heart attack or some sort of accident. Since the 3rd and 12th lord Me, 5th and 10th lord Ma , 6th and 9th lord Ju is involved with the Su the karaka of 7th, all these planets are in 4th house and aspects 10th house. Sa the 7th and 8th lord also aspects 10th house, I guess the native might have met with an accident and died thereafter while going to his work place from his home. I checked up the chart taking Ge lagna. But the scenario is different from that of Cn lagna. So Cn is best matched for this event. So Ash ! Am I on the right track ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Group, I came across this chart on another group. The lady's sister had died on 9th April 2007. The chart given was 17th Oct 1946 22:00 (was the birth time given, I rectified it to 21:55:50) 52N27 13E19 Time zone of CET -01:00 Planet Degrees As 0 Cn 3 Su 1 Li 40 Mo 5 Cn 41 Ma 23 Li 42 Me 22 Li 12 Ju 12 Li 31 Ve 8 Sc 20 Sa 15 Cn 38 Ra 21 Ta 55 Ke 21 Sc 55 Please do not ask me any questions on this chart. If you all want you all can discuss our laws based on the hints Krushnaji has given. Those who are interested can solve this chart using the laws of KAS and you will know why I have posted this chart. Here a few things for your personal study. 1) Carefully study the antra based on our laws of KAS. 2) Carefully note the pdf (keep in mind +/- 13 days range). 3) Do you think death is possible with Gemini lagna. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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