Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear ALL, Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct 1954 at the time of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N 47, 77 E 29 in India. This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second sector. This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over on 18 Jul 1980 when Me antara in Ke main was running. The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and Ju with 6 bindus. Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus in house D so Su and Me antara can give the event of marriage. When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to Su antara in Ve main but I came to know that I was incorrect. Therefore I would like to know that once delay is over in Me antara then immediately marriage took place in second sector of same antara. How ? LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay itself gets over in Me antara. If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have been in its third sector. I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. The time of birth is as per hospital record. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Without writing the some of the charts's lagna, moon, sun and venus ratio, its sm sort of adjustment in marriage life.Summary chart points 1st and 7th house are on the higher side(10points diff) Delay ends in first sector of mercury Two sectors are still left. Can we leave the antra on the basis of coz its a " delay ending " related antra As per lessons , we sld also see, in which sign and Nak the antra planet resides for determining its sector. And marriage happened in 2nd sector. Mercury is in sign of Venus and in nakshatra of Jup Mercury 2nd antra is fully capable giving event as such, owing to its placement in sign of Venus and Nak of Jup. Mercury is strongest in 7th house and eager to deliver the result for 7th house. Mer is SD to Sun and Mars, LoD AND lOe for 12th and 5th respectively I think Ash can explain this better otherwise. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear ALL, Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct 1954 at the time of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N 47, 77 E 29 in India. This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second sector. This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over on 18 Jul 1980 when Me antara in Ke main was running. The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and Ju with 6 bindus. Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus in house D so Su and Me antara can give the event of marriage. When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to Su antara in Ve main but I came to know that I was incorrect. Therefore I would like to know that once delay is over in Me antara then immediately marriage took place in second sector of same antara. How ? LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay itself gets over in Me antara. If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have been in its third sector. I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. The time of birth is as per hospital record. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear ALL, Ketu as MD lord being in 12th house, also indicate matters related to 5th house in its Mahadasha, like love affairs etc, which ends in june1981. Mars cant give event in 12th house as LoE, having 8 points, Mer being SD to Mars,cant fit for 12th house in Summary chart as i wrote in previous mail in end up. But Mer is strongest to be benefited,i think. Regards Anup l m " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Without writing the some of the charts's lagna, moon, sun and venus ratio, its sm sort of adjustment in marriage life.Summary chart points 1st and 7th house are on the higher side(10points diff) Delay ends in first sector of mercury Two sectors are still left. Can we leave the antra on the basis of coz its a " delay ending " related antra As per lessons , we sld also see, in which sign and Nak the antra planet resides for determining its sector. And marriage happened in 2nd sector. Mercury is in sign of Venus and in nakshatra of Jup Mercury 2nd antra is fully capable giving event as such, owing to its placement in sign of Venus and Nak of Jup. Mercury is strongest in 7th house and eager to deliver the result for 7th house. Mer is SD to Sun and Mars, LoD AND lOe for 12th and 5th respectively I think Ash can explain this better otherwise. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear ALL, Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct 1954 at the time of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N 47, 77 E 29 in India. This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second sector. This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over on 18 Jul 1980 when Me antara in Ke main was running. The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and Ju with 6 bindus. Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus in house D so Su and Me antara can give the event of marriage. When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to Su antara in Ve main but I came to know that I was incorrect. Therefore I would like to know that once delay is over in Me antara then immediately marriage took place in second sector of same antara. How ? LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay itself gets over in Me antara. If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have been in its third sector. I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. The time of birth is as per hospital record. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear all, In this chart, delay gets over in mercury's first sector. Mercury is LOE situated in D and very strong for 7th and 12th, for 5th it is samdharmi to Sun which is LOD for 5th. All three houses are getting activate and 2 sectors are left, I think mercury can give the result. But in this chart Me is also samdharmi to Saturn, delay causing planet, hence results in the first sector. but if the delay gets over in the first sector, it gave results in the second sector as soon as the delay got over. Just my 2 cents,please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks and Regards Sindhu --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear ALL, > Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct > 1954 at the time of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N > 47, 77 E 29 in India. > This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second > sector. > This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over > on 18 Jul 1980 when Me antara in Ke main was > running. > The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and > Ju with 6 bindus. > Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. > House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. > Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus > in house D so Su and Me antara can give the event of > marriage. > When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to > Su antara in Ve main but I came to know that I was > incorrect. > Therefore I would like to know that once delay is > over in Me antara then immediately marriage took > place in second sector of same antara. > How ? > LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. > Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay > itself gets over in Me antara. > If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have > been in its third sector. > I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. > The time of birth is as per hospital record. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > > Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - > Answers > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Me is LoE, placed in D with 5 points hence eager. Me is also SD to sa the delay causing planet, hence, I think Mer should give the event as soon as delay is over. Let us know your reasoning for 3rd sector so that we can discuss. Thanks & regards, Manu , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear ALL, > Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct 1954 at the time of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N 47, 77 E 29 in India. > This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second sector. > This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over on 18 Jul 1980 when Me antara in Ke main was running. > The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and Ju with 6 bindus. > Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. > House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. > Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus in house D so Su and Me antara can give the event of marriage. > When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to Su antara in Ve main but I came to know that I was incorrect. > Therefore I would like to know that once delay is over in Me antara then immediately marriage took place in second sector of same antara. > How ? > LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. > Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay itself gets over in Me antara. > If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have been in its third sector. > I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. > The time of birth is as per hospital record. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear Manu and all, " Me is LoE, placed in D with 5 points hence eager. Me is also SD to Sa the delay causing planet, hence, I think Mer should give the event as soon as delay is over. " Whatever you said it is correct and I agree. But observe that Ju as 6th lord is also in lagna with strong 6 bindus so it will aspect with -6 to 7th house. Thereby enhancing the delay further. Second point is that Ma is in house B with 2 bindus so it will oppose 4th house and the planets placed therein. Me is LoE and the delay is over in Me antara only in first sector. So should this antara not eliminated from giving the event of house B. There is full delay caused by Sa. If at all Me gives the event then it should have been in third sector. The delay might be moderated when delay is over during the period of delay causing planet. Here in this case Me is not delay causing planet even though it is SD to Sa. Had this chart given to you to time the event blindly, was it possible for you to come to the correct antara ? When I took this chart blindly I approached up to Su antara . I eliminated Me antara coz of delay over in the antara. So is the confusion. One more point I would like to confirm . If Ju is in 10th place from Sa irrespective of any bindu, should Ju moderate the delay ? If it is so then it may be correct owing to moderation of delay. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Manu Batura <manubatura wrote: Dear Ramesh, Me is LoE, placed in D with 5 points hence eager. Me is also SD to sa the delay causing planet, hence, I think Mer should give the event as soon as delay is over. Let us know your reasoning for 3rd sector so that we can discuss. Thanks & regards, Manu , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear ALL, > Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct 1954 at the time of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N 47, 77 E 29 in India. > This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second sector. > This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over on 18 Jul 1980 when Me antara in Ke main was running. > The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and Ju with 6 bindus. > Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. > House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. > Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus in house D so Su and Me antara can give the event of marriage. > When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to Su antara in Ve main but I came to know that I was incorrect. > Therefore I would like to know that once delay is over in Me antara then immediately marriage took place in second sector of same antara. > How ? > LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. > Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay itself gets over in Me antara. > If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have been in its third sector. > I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. > The time of birth is as per hospital record. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear Ramesh, You said that Ju as 6th lord in lagna with more points will aspect 7th house malefically and hence will enhance delay? Can you please provide the lesson or the link where you got this from. It will help me learn. Regarding delay getting over in Me antra...as far I remember, I had a discussion with Ash once where he put forward his observation that if more than half of an antra is in delay period then that antra does not give event else it will possible for the antra to give the event. Ofcourse, I guess this was his observation based on his experience. That is also the reason why he keeps telling us to practice so that we can notice patterns ourselves. Regarding my ability to time things blindly, why I should talk about this chart, I shall fail to predict on many charts due to lack of practice. That is something I need to correct. Here in this case, there is no ju moderation according to me. Thanks & Regards, Manu , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Manu and all, > " Me is LoE, placed in D with 5 points hence eager. Me is also SD to > Sa the delay causing planet, hence, I think Mer should give the > event as soon as delay is over. " > Whatever you said it is correct and I agree. > But observe that Ju as 6th lord is also in lagna with strong 6 bindus so it will aspect with -6 to 7th house. > Thereby enhancing the delay further. > Second point is that Ma is in house B with 2 bindus so it will oppose 4th house and the planets placed therein. > Me is LoE and the delay is over in Me antara only in first sector. > So should this antara not eliminated from giving the event of house B. > There is full delay caused by Sa. If at all Me gives the event then it should have been in third sector. > The delay might be moderated when delay is over during the period of delay causing planet. > Here in this case Me is not delay causing planet even though it is SD to Sa. > Had this chart given to you to time the event blindly, was it possible for you to come to the correct antara ? > When I took this chart blindly I approached up to Su antara . > I eliminated Me antara coz of delay over in the antara. > So is the confusion. > One more point I would like to confirm . > If Ju is in 10th place from Sa irrespective of any bindu, should Ju moderate the delay ? > If it is so then it may be correct owing to moderation of delay. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > > Manu Batura <manubatura wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > Me is LoE, placed in D with 5 points hence eager. Me is also SD to > sa the delay causing planet, hence, I think Mer should give the > event as soon as delay is over. > > Let us know your reasoning for 3rd sector so that we can discuss. > > Thanks & regards, > Manu > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear ALL, > > Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct 1954 at the > time of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N 47, 77 E 29 in India. > > This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second sector. > > This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over on 18 Jul > 1980 when Me antara in Ke main was running. > > The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and Ju with 6 > bindus. > > Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. > > House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. > > Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus in house D so > Su and Me antara can give the event of marriage. > > When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to Su antara in > Ve main but I came to know that I was incorrect. > > Therefore I would like to know that once delay is over in Me > antara then immediately marriage took place in second sector of same > antara. > > How ? > > LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. > > Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay itself gets > over in Me antara. > > If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have been in its > third sector. > > I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. > > The time of birth is as per hospital record. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Anup, Sindhu and Manu, I think all of you have given good reasoning. Delay gets over in Me 1st sector. I think upto here everyone is clear. So marriage cannot take place before that. Ramesh found that delay got over on 18th July 1980, so marriage cannot happen before that. Even if u get upto here this itself is a very big thing. Now Ramesh, here when you got Delay getting over in Me#1 and that too when only 1 month has passed inside Me antra. Then now study Mercury. Firstly its LoE so its eager then on top of that its in House D with 5 bindus so its even more doubly eager. I think its clear upto here also. Mercury is also not getting power from 6th lord and neither is Me SD to 6th lord. So this mercury is quite healthy and it also has good power for mostly all houses in the chart with the highest for 7th and its SD to Mars who is LoE for 12th as well and also LoE for 5th. So from all angles, this mercury is very very eager to give result so u can firm up that Mercury antra will give marriage. I think this portion everyone should get upto here as well. Next, now coming to sector. Saturn is the delay causing planet here and itself is in House D with 4 bindus and its in 10th house from 7th as well. So here since Saturn is with 4 bindus and in upachya from 7th so this Saturn will become eager to give as here study saturn in detail as its a natural malefic so if it gets 4 bindus then it will try go give the result. It is also NSD to Venus who is LoE as well and SD to MErcury as well who is LoD and in House D. So it will become eager to give result for 7th house. Now MErcury is SD to delay causing planet who itself is eager to give result so result will happen in 1st sector itself. Now marriage has happened in t+13 of 1st sector. 2nd sector starts on 8th October 1980 and marriage has happened on 12th Oct 1980. Ramesh, Ju is aspecting 7th house but its not aspecting 7th lord so here Ju will not cause delay. Both conditions have to be met for Ju to cause delay means Ju should aspect loa and lob or house a or b like that. I hope its clear. Ramesh, for my learnings, can you please find out if this native is living in hilly area or near water. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear ALL, > Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct 1954 at the time of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N 47, 77 E 29 in India. > This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second sector. > This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over on 18 Jul 1980 when Me antara in Ke main was running. > The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and Ju with 6 bindus. > Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. > House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. > Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus in house D so Su and Me antara can give the event of marriage. > When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to Su antara in Ve main but I came to know that I was incorrect. > Therefore I would like to know that once delay is over in Me antara then immediately marriage took place in second sector of same antara. > How ? > LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. > Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay itself gets over in Me antara. > If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have been in its third sector. > I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. > The time of birth is as per hospital record. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Dear Ash, Thanks for giving the authentic justification. The native is living in Delhi from his childhood.He never resided in hilly area or near water. He is a central govt. employee and holds the good position and authority. He has two children one daughter and one son. Thanks once again. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Anup, Sindhu and Manu, I think all of you have given good reasoning. Delay gets over in Me 1st sector. I think upto here everyone is clear. So marriage cannot take place before that. Ramesh found that delay got over on 18th July 1980, so marriage cannot happen before that. Even if u get upto here this itself is a very big thing. Now Ramesh, here when you got Delay getting over in Me#1 and that too when only 1 month has passed inside Me antra. Then now study Mercury. Firstly its LoE so its eager then on top of that its in House D with 5 bindus so its even more doubly eager. I think its clear upto here also. Mercury is also not getting power from 6th lord and neither is Me SD to 6th lord. So this mercury is quite healthy and it also has good power for mostly all houses in the chart with the highest for 7th and its SD to Mars who is LoE for 12th as well and also LoE for 5th. So from all angles, this mercury is very very eager to give result so u can firm up that Mercury antra will give marriage. I think this portion everyone should get upto here as well. Next, now coming to sector. Saturn is the delay causing planet here and itself is in House D with 4 bindus and its in 10th house from 7th as well. So here since Saturn is with 4 bindus and in upachya from 7th so this Saturn will become eager to give as here study saturn in detail as its a natural malefic so if it gets 4 bindus then it will try go give the result. It is also NSD to Venus who is LoE as well and SD to MErcury as well who is LoD and in House D. So it will become eager to give result for 7th house. Now MErcury is SD to delay causing planet who itself is eager to give result so result will happen in 1st sector itself. Now marriage has happened in t+13 of 1st sector. 2nd sector starts on 8th October 1980 and marriage has happened on 12th Oct 1980. Ramesh, Ju is aspecting 7th house but its not aspecting 7th lord so here Ju will not cause delay. Both conditions have to be met for Ju to cause delay means Ju should aspect loa and lob or house a or b like that. I hope its clear. Ramesh, for my learnings, can you please find out if this native is living in hilly area or near water. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear ALL, > Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct 1954 at the time of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N 47, 77 E 29 in India. > This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second sector. > This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over on 18 Jul 1980 when Me antara in Ke main was running. > The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and Ju with 6 bindus. > Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. > House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. > Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus in house D so Su and Me antara can give the event of marriage. > When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to Su antara in Ve main but I came to know that I was incorrect. > Therefore I would like to know that once delay is over in Me antara then immediately marriage took place in second sector of same antara. > How ? > LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. > Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay itself gets over in Me antara. > If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have been in its third sector. > I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. > The time of birth is as per hospital record. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Dear Ash, Manu and all, Though you have given a concrete and convincing reason in favour of justification of the marriage in respect of this chart, few points are emerging in my mind with respect to samadharmi or 4:10 relationship. Lagna has Mo (5 bindus ) and Ju (6 bindus) who is in the 10th place from 4th as house D for 7th. In the 4th house Su (5 bindus), Me (5 bindus) and Sa (4 bindus) are in 4th place from Mo and Ju thereby these planets are establishing 4:10 relationship with one another. Now Sa is in 4th place from Ju. Ju has more bindus that that of Sa. Here Ju is benefic planet so being in 10th place from Sa, will Ju not moderate the delay given by Sa ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Anup, Sindhu and Manu, I think all of you have given good reasoning. Delay gets over in Me 1st sector. I think upto here everyone is clear. So marriage cannot take place before that. Ramesh found that delay got over on 18th July 1980, so marriage cannot happen before that. Even if u get upto here this itself is a very big thing. Now Ramesh, here when you got Delay getting over in Me#1 and that too when only 1 month has passed inside Me antra. Then now study Mercury. Firstly its LoE so its eager then on top of that its in House D with 5 bindus so its even more doubly eager. I think its clear upto here also. Mercury is also not getting power from 6th lord and neither is Me SD to 6th lord. So this mercury is quite healthy and it also has good power for mostly all houses in the chart with the highest for 7th and its SD to Mars who is LoE for 12th as well and also LoE for 5th. So from all angles, this mercury is very very eager to give result so u can firm up that Mercury antra will give marriage. I think this portion everyone should get upto here as well. Next, now coming to sector. Saturn is the delay causing planet here and itself is in House D with 4 bindus and its in 10th house from 7th as well. So here since Saturn is with 4 bindus and in upachya from 7th so this Saturn will become eager to give as here study saturn in detail as its a natural malefic so if it gets 4 bindus then it will try go give the result. It is also NSD to Venus who is LoE as well and SD to MErcury as well who is LoD and in House D. So it will become eager to give result for 7th house. Now MErcury is SD to delay causing planet who itself is eager to give result so result will happen in 1st sector itself. Now marriage has happened in t+13 of 1st sector. 2nd sector starts on 8th October 1980 and marriage has happened on 12th Oct 1980. Ramesh, Ju is aspecting 7th house but its not aspecting 7th lord so here Ju will not cause delay. Both conditions have to be met for Ju to cause delay means Ju should aspect loa and lob or house a or b like that. I hope its clear. Ramesh, for my learnings, can you please find out if this native is living in hilly area or near water. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear ALL, > Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct 1954 at the time of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N 47, 77 E 29 in India. > This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second sector. > This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over on 18 Jul 1980 when Me antara in Ke main was running. > The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and Ju with 6 bindus. > Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. > House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. > Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus in house D so Su and Me antara can give the event of marriage. > When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to Su antara in Ve main but I came to know that I was incorrect. > Therefore I would like to know that once delay is over in Me antara then immediately marriage took place in second sector of same antara. > How ? > LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. > Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay itself gets over in Me antara. > If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have been in its third sector. > I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. > The time of birth is as per hospital record. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Ramesh, No you are going on wrong track. Just keep a calm mind and think on the 4:10 relationship. There was one mail that Krushanji had given on the different scenarios. If Ju is in 1st house with 6 bindus and Sa is in 4th place from Ju with 4 bindus then how can Ju control Saturn. Infact Saturn will oppose Ju. So here Ju is boss and is with more points so noble and sa is subordinate with less points so more malefic than boss. So here subordinate will oppose Boss when it gets his chance. if ju was controlling Sa then Sa will have to listen to jupiter in that case things become different. So pay very careful attention to such things and do not make rush. Just study each planet from all angles. U are just focussing on 4:10 means boss / subordinate relationship, now go into detail and study how the boss and subordinate relationship is and I think everything will get clear. You are doing very well, now the time is coming for u to go deeper into things and study them keenly. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Manu and all, > Though you have given a concrete and convincing reason in favour of justification of the marriage in respect of this chart, few points are emerging in my mind with respect to samadharmi or 4:10 relationship. > Lagna has Mo (5 bindus ) and Ju (6 bindus) who is in the 10th place from 4th as house D for 7th. > In the 4th house Su (5 bindus), Me (5 bindus) and Sa (4 bindus) are in 4th place from Mo and Ju thereby these planets are establishing 4:10 relationship with one another. > Now Sa is in 4th place from Ju. Ju has more bindus that that of Sa. Here Ju is benefic planet so being in 10th place from Sa, will Ju not moderate the delay given by Sa ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, Anup, Sindhu and Manu, > > I think all of you have given good reasoning. > > Delay gets over in Me 1st sector. I think upto here everyone is > clear. So marriage cannot take place before that. > > Ramesh found that delay got over on 18th July 1980, so marriage cannot > happen before that. > > Even if u get upto here this itself is a very big thing. > > Now Ramesh, here when you got Delay getting over in Me#1 and that too > when only 1 month has passed inside Me antra. > > Then now study Mercury. Firstly its LoE so its eager then on top of > that its in House D with 5 bindus so its even more doubly eager. I > think its clear upto here also. > > Mercury is also not getting power from 6th lord and neither is Me SD > to 6th lord. > > So this mercury is quite healthy and it also has good power for mostly > all houses in the chart with the highest for 7th and its SD to Mars > who is LoE for 12th as well and also LoE for 5th. > > So from all angles, this mercury is very very eager to give result so > u can firm up that Mercury antra will give marriage. > > I think this portion everyone should get upto here as well. > > Next, now coming to sector. > > Saturn is the delay causing planet here and itself is in House D with > 4 bindus and its in 10th house from 7th as well. So here since Saturn > is with 4 bindus and in upachya from 7th so this Saturn will become > eager to give as here study saturn in detail as its a natural malefic > so if it gets 4 bindus then it will try go give the result. It is > also NSD to Venus who is LoE as well and SD to MErcury as well who is > LoD and in House D. > > So it will become eager to give result for 7th house. Now MErcury is > SD to delay causing planet who itself is eager to give result so > result will happen in 1st sector itself. > > Now marriage has happened in t+13 of 1st sector. 2nd sector starts on > 8th October 1980 and marriage has happened on 12th Oct 1980. > > Ramesh, Ju is aspecting 7th house but its not aspecting 7th lord so > here Ju will not cause delay. Both conditions have to be met for Ju > to cause delay means Ju should aspect loa and lob or house a or b like > that. > > I hope its clear. > > Ramesh, for my learnings, can you please find out if this native is > living in hilly area or near water. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear ALL, > > Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct 1954 at the time > of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N 47, 77 E 29 in India. > > This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second sector. > > This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over on 18 Jul 1980 > when Me antara in Ke main was running. > > The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and Ju with 6 bindus. > > Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. > > House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. > > Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus in house D so Su > and Me antara can give the event of marriage. > > When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to Su antara in Ve > main but I came to know that I was incorrect. > > Therefore I would like to know that once delay is over in Me > antara then immediately marriage took place in second sector of same > antara. > > How ? > > LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. > > Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay itself gets over > in Me antara. > > If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have been in its > third sector. > > I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. > > The time of birth is as per hospital record. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Ash and Ramesh, Sorry to intervene. As about the mail written by Respected Krushnaji..i am producing this as it is below..for reference " Dear Sanjay, Answer of these questions can be given in better way, if we take an example. In general if the planet in fourth place (here you asked for Saturn) with less points will give adverse result, perticularly for the house for which Jupiter is karak, i.e. 10th and . If we consider the case of Ron then it can give adverse result for 10th and 1st . Now again Jupiter is strong significator of 7th, 11th, 3rd, 8th, 12th. house. It can not harm those houses. " I think it wld help somehow.. Regards Anup ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, No you are going on wrong track. Just keep a calm mind and think on the 4:10 relationship. There was one mail that Krushanji had given on the different scenarios. If Ju is in 1st house with 6 bindus and Sa is in 4th place from Ju with 4 bindus then how can Ju control Saturn. Infact Saturn will oppose Ju. So here Ju is boss and is with more points so noble and sa is subordinate with less points so more malefic than boss. So here subordinate will oppose Boss when it gets his chance. if ju was controlling Sa then Sa will have to listen to jupiter in that case things become different. So pay very careful attention to such things and do not make rush. Just study each planet from all angles. U are just focussing on 4:10 means boss / subordinate relationship, now go into detail and study how the boss and subordinate relationship is and I think everything will get clear. You are doing very well, now the time is coming for u to go deeper into things and study them keenly. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Manu and all, > Though you have given a concrete and convincing reason in favour of justification of the marriage in respect of this chart, few points are emerging in my mind with respect to samadharmi or 4:10 relationship. > Lagna has Mo (5 bindus ) and Ju (6 bindus) who is in the 10th place from 4th as house D for 7th. > In the 4th house Su (5 bindus), Me (5 bindus) and Sa (4 bindus) are in 4th place from Mo and Ju thereby these planets are establishing 4:10 relationship with one another. > Now Sa is in 4th place from Ju. Ju has more bindus that that of Sa. Here Ju is benefic planet so being in 10th place from Sa, will Ju not moderate the delay given by Sa ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, Anup, Sindhu and Manu, > > I think all of you have given good reasoning. > > Delay gets over in Me 1st sector. I think upto here everyone is > clear. So marriage cannot take place before that. > > Ramesh found that delay got over on 18th July 1980, so marriage cannot > happen before that. > > Even if u get upto here this itself is a very big thing. > > Now Ramesh, here when you got Delay getting over in Me#1 and that too > when only 1 month has passed inside Me antra. > > Then now study Mercury. Firstly its LoE so its eager then on top of > that its in House D with 5 bindus so its even more doubly eager. I > think its clear upto here also. > > Mercury is also not getting power from 6th lord and neither is Me SD > to 6th lord. > > So this mercury is quite healthy and it also has good power for mostly > all houses in the chart with the highest for 7th and its SD to Mars > who is LoE for 12th as well and also LoE for 5th. > > So from all angles, this mercury is very very eager to give result so > u can firm up that Mercury antra will give marriage. > > I think this portion everyone should get upto here as well. > > Next, now coming to sector. > > Saturn is the delay causing planet here and itself is in House D with > 4 bindus and its in 10th house from 7th as well. So here since Saturn > is with 4 bindus and in upachya from 7th so this Saturn will become > eager to give as here study saturn in detail as its a natural malefic > so if it gets 4 bindus then it will try go give the result. It is > also NSD to Venus who is LoE as well and SD to MErcury as well who is > LoD and in House D. > > So it will become eager to give result for 7th house. Now MErcury is > SD to delay causing planet who itself is eager to give result so > result will happen in 1st sector itself. > > Now marriage has happened in t+13 of 1st sector. 2nd sector starts on > 8th October 1980 and marriage has happened on 12th Oct 1980. > > Ramesh, Ju is aspecting 7th house but its not aspecting 7th lord so > here Ju will not cause delay. Both conditions have to be met for Ju > to cause delay means Ju should aspect loa and lob or house a or b like > that. > > I hope its clear. > > Ramesh, for my learnings, can you please find out if this native is > living in hilly area or near water. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear ALL, > > Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct 1954 at the time > of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N 47, 77 E 29 in India. > > This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second sector. > > This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over on 18 Jul 1980 > when Me antara in Ke main was running. > > The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and Ju with 6 bindus. > > Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. > > House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. > > Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus in house D so Su > and Me antara can give the event of marriage. > > When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to Su antara in Ve > main but I came to know that I was incorrect. > > Therefore I would like to know that once delay is over in Me > antara then immediately marriage took place in second sector of same > antara. > > How ? > > LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. > > Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay itself gets over > in Me antara. > > If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have been in its > third sector. > > I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. > > The time of birth is as per hospital record. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Anup, This was not the mail but yes, this is even one step deeper on studying the " reason " on what kind of opposition. Good mail Anup. There was one more mail on 4:10 where Krushanji has explained the different scenarios on boss/subordinates i.e. if planet in 10th is with < 4 and planet in 4th is > 4, next scenario is planet in 10th is with more bindus and planet in 4th from it has less like that some more scenarios. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ash and Ramesh, > > Sorry to intervene. > As about the mail written by Respected Krushnaji..i am producing this > as it is below..for reference > > " Dear Sanjay, > Answer of these questions can be given in better way, if we take an > example. In general if the planet in fourth place (here you asked for > Saturn) with less points will give adverse result, perticularly for the > house for which Jupiter is karak, i.e. 10th and . > If we consider the case of Ron then it can give adverse result for > 10th and 1st . Now again Jupiter is strong significator of 7th, 11th, 3rd, > 8th, 12th. house. It can not harm those houses. " > > I think it wld help somehow.. > > Regards > Anup > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > No you are going on wrong track. > > Just keep a calm mind and think on the 4:10 relationship. There was > one mail that Krushanji had given on the different scenarios. > > If Ju is in 1st house with 6 bindus and Sa is in 4th place from Ju > with 4 bindus then how can Ju control Saturn. > > Infact Saturn will oppose Ju. > > So here Ju is boss and is with more points so noble and sa is > subordinate with less points so more malefic than boss. So here > subordinate will oppose Boss when it gets his chance. > > if ju was controlling Sa then Sa will have to listen to jupiter in > that case things become different. > > So pay very careful attention to such things and do not make rush. > Just study each planet from all angles. > > U are just focussing on 4:10 means boss / subordinate relationship, > now go into detail and study how the boss and subordinate relationship > is and I think everything will get clear. > > You are doing very well, now the time is coming for u to go deeper > into things and study them keenly. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Manu and all, > > Though you have given a concrete and convincing reason in favour > of justification of the marriage in respect of this chart, few points > are emerging in my mind with respect to samadharmi or 4:10 relationship. > > Lagna has Mo (5 bindus ) and Ju (6 bindus) who is in the 10th > place from 4th as house D for 7th. > > In the 4th house Su (5 bindus), Me (5 bindus) and Sa (4 bindus) > are in 4th place from Mo and Ju thereby these planets are establishing > 4:10 relationship with one another. > > Now Sa is in 4th place from Ju. Ju has more bindus that that of > Sa. Here Ju is benefic planet so being in 10th place from Sa, will Ju > not moderate the delay given by Sa ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, Anup, Sindhu and Manu, > > > > I think all of you have given good reasoning. > > > > Delay gets over in Me 1st sector. I think upto here everyone is > > clear. So marriage cannot take place before that. > > > > Ramesh found that delay got over on 18th July 1980, so marriage cannot > > happen before that. > > > > Even if u get upto here this itself is a very big thing. > > > > Now Ramesh, here when you got Delay getting over in Me#1 and that too > > when only 1 month has passed inside Me antra. > > > > Then now study Mercury. Firstly its LoE so its eager then on top of > > that its in House D with 5 bindus so its even more doubly eager. I > > think its clear upto here also. > > > > Mercury is also not getting power from 6th lord and neither is Me SD > > to 6th lord. > > > > So this mercury is quite healthy and it also has good power for mostly > > all houses in the chart with the highest for 7th and its SD to Mars > > who is LoE for 12th as well and also LoE for 5th. > > > > So from all angles, this mercury is very very eager to give result so > > u can firm up that Mercury antra will give marriage. > > > > I think this portion everyone should get upto here as well. > > > > Next, now coming to sector. > > > > Saturn is the delay causing planet here and itself is in House D with > > 4 bindus and its in 10th house from 7th as well. So here since Saturn > > is with 4 bindus and in upachya from 7th so this Saturn will become > > eager to give as here study saturn in detail as its a natural malefic > > so if it gets 4 bindus then it will try go give the result. It is > > also NSD to Venus who is LoE as well and SD to MErcury as well who is > > LoD and in House D. > > > > So it will become eager to give result for 7th house. Now MErcury is > > SD to delay causing planet who itself is eager to give result so > > result will happen in 1st sector itself. > > > > Now marriage has happened in t+13 of 1st sector. 2nd sector starts on > > 8th October 1980 and marriage has happened on 12th Oct 1980. > > > > Ramesh, Ju is aspecting 7th house but its not aspecting 7th lord so > > here Ju will not cause delay. Both conditions have to be met for Ju > > to cause delay means Ju should aspect loa and lob or house a or b like > > that. > > > > I hope its clear. > > > > Ramesh, for my learnings, can you please find out if this native is > > living in hilly area or near water. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear ALL, > > > Here is the chart of a male native born on 20 0ct 1954 at the time > > of 00:16 AM at the place of 28 N 47, 77 E 29 in India. > > > This native married on 12 Oct 1980 in Ke-Me second sector. > > > This chart has full delay of Sa and delay was over on 18 Jul 1980 > > when Me antara in Ke main was running. > > > The asc is cancer containning Mo with 5 bindus and Ju with 6 bindus. > > > Ju is 6th lord too aspect malefically 7th house. > > > House D for 7th as B is occupied by Su, Me and Ke. > > > Both the planets Su and Me has more than 4 bindus in house D so Su > > and Me antara can give the event of marriage. > > > When I analysed the chart blindly I reached up to Su antara in Ve > > main but I came to know that I was incorrect. > > > Therefore I would like to know that once delay is over in Me > > antara then immediately marriage took place in second sector of same > > antara. > > > How ? > > > LoD is Ve and LoE is Me. > > > Me being LoE is eager to give the event but delay itself gets over > > in Me antara. > > > If at all Me gave the marriage then it should have been in its > > third sector. > > > I am unable to understand the theory of KAS. > > > The time of birth is as per hospital record. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 > There was one more mail on 4:10 where Krushanji has explained the > different scenarios on boss/subordinates i.e. if planet in 10th is > with < 4 and planet in 4th is > 4, next scenario is planet in 10th is > with more bindus and planet in 4th from it has less like that some > more scenarios. Maybe this one from Krushnaji could help.. all the best, Dadhi ----------------- In that we have taken the planet in 10th place should have less points then the planet in 4th place. At the same time it is also told that if the planet in 4th place have less points it will give the result but will oppose in some matter. This is the case when the planet in tenth house is having less points. For example suppose X planet is situated in 10th place from Y planet. If X is having less then 4 points, then it will get power from Y. if y is having more points, there will not be any problem in the result. 2nd case: If y is having less points then X, in this case Y will support X, but with some objection. In such case the person have to loose some thing, or have to face some problem. 3rd case: If X is with more points ( more then 4), Planet Y will not give any strength to X. But X will not have any controll over Y. On the contrary they will act opposite way to each other. ( For explaining this I have given example of a Boss and a assistant, Boss a noble man means having more points, A strict boss mean with less point) Now this case, Jupiter is in the 10th place from Sun, here Jupiter is having more points (7), and Sun is with 4 points. So the result spoiled in Sub of Venus ( being samdharmi to Sun) have been rectified by Jupiter 04.07.2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Hi Dadhi, Yes, perfect. Thats the one I had in my mind. Thanks for searching that. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Dadhi " <Dadhi wrote: > > > There was one more mail on 4:10 where Krushanji has explained the > > different scenarios on boss/subordinates i.e. if planet in 10th is > > with < 4 and planet in 4th is > 4, next scenario is planet in 10th is > > with more bindus and planet in 4th from it has less like that some > > more scenarios. > > Maybe this one from Krushnaji could help.. > > all the best, > Dadhi > > ----------------- > > In that we have taken the planet in 10th place should have less > points then the planet in 4th place. At the same time it is also > told that if the planet in 4th place have less points it will give the > result but will oppose in some matter. This is the case when the > planet in tenth house is having less points. > > For example suppose X planet is situated in 10th place from Y planet. If X > is having less then 4 points, then it will get power from Y. if y is having > more points, there will not be any problem in the result. > > 2nd case: If y is having less points then X, in this case Y > will support X, but with some objection. In such case the person > have to loose some thing, or have to face some problem. > > 3rd case: If X is with more points ( more then 4), Planet Y > will not give any strength to X. But X will not have any controll > over Y. On the contrary they will act opposite way to each other. ( > For explaining this I have given example of a Boss and a assistant, > Boss a noble man means having more points, A strict boss mean with > less point) > > Now this case, Jupiter is in the 10th place from Sun, here > Jupiter is having more points (7), and Sun is with 4 points. So the > result spoiled in Sub of Venus ( being samdharmi to Sun) have been > rectified by Jupiter > > 04.07.2002 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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