when is birth time

May 21, 2007

Dear All,

I am new to this group and enjoy reading yr postings silently. I hve however a

query which I hope you could help clarify.

When is the exact time of birth of a person? Below are some email exchanges on

the subject.

thank you

Su

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Dera Sue,

Thank you for your email, since the verse is from Srimad Bhagavatam, it cannot

be contested !! It is the ultimate.

After going thru' your email, I referred an old book in which there is a

reference on birth. It states from " Dhruvanadi by Satyacharya " , who states :

" Horoscope should be cast for the time at which the child falls to the ground -

Bhusparsa (touching the earth) " .

Here your statement is correct in a way, i.e., a child falls on earth when the

umblical cord is cut. (or maybe vice versa too ??)

Shailesh

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Dear Shailesh

Thank you for your reply. I had always been under the impression that the

correct time was as you mentioned (when the child is fully out of the birth

cana), but I came across the foll in Brihaspati.net (quoted here below),

according to which it is the time when the chord is cut. Would like to hear yr

thoughts on it. Thank you

" According to Sanjay and Srila Prabhupada, the time of birth is when the body

of the child is fully separated from the body of the mother, i.e. the umbilical

chord is cut. Let me quote here from Srila Prabhupada's purport to Srimad

Bhagavatam verse 2.10.28.

Äsisåpsoù puraù puryä

näbhi-dväram apänataù

taträpänas tato måtyuù

påthaktvam ubhayäçrayam

TRANSLATION

Thereafter, when He desired to move from one body to another, the navel

and the air of departure and death were jointly created. The navel is the

shelter for both, namely death and the separating force.

PURPORT

The präëa-väyu continues the life, and the apäna-väyu stops the living

force. Both the vibrations are generated from the abdominal hole, the navel.

This navel is the joint from one body to the other. Lord Brahmä was born of the

abdominal hole of Garbhodakaçäyé Viñëu as a separate body, and the same

principle is followed even in the birth of any ordinary body. The body of the

child develops from the body of the mother, and when the child is separated from

the body of the mother, it is separated by cutting the navel joint. And that is

the way the Supreme Lord manifested Himself as separated many. The living

entities are therefore separated parts, and thus they have no independence.But

if we would take an ideal case of accurate data, I'm sure they will confirm

Maharishi Jamini's principles. "

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Australia? Go to 7 Answers and share your idea.

May 21, 2007

Dear Sue,

As per KAS and teachings of Krushnaji and what we follow on this list

is that, we note the time of the child's first cry as the time the

child is born.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, Sue <vreality_au

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> I am new to this group and enjoy reading yr postings silently. I

hve however a query which I hope you could help clarify.

> When is the exact time of birth of a person? Below are some email

exchanges on the subject.

>

> thank you

> Su

>

--------

>

> Dera Sue,

>

> Thank you for your email, since the verse is from Srimad

Bhagavatam, it cannot be contested !! It is the ultimate.

>

> After going thru' your email, I referred an old book in which

there is a reference on birth. It states from " Dhruvanadi by

Satyacharya " , who states : " Horoscope should be cast for the time at

which the child falls to the ground - Bhusparsa (touching the earth) " .

>

> Here your statement is correct in a way, i.e., a child falls on

earth when the umblical cord is cut. (or maybe vice versa too ??)

>

> Shailesh

>

> ----

>

> Dear Shailesh

> Thank you for your reply. I had always been under the impression

that the correct time was as you mentioned (when the child is fully

out of the birth cana), but I came across the foll in Brihaspati.net

(quoted here below), according to which it is the time when the chord

is cut. Would like to hear yr thoughts on it. Thank you

>

> " According to Sanjay and Srila Prabhupada, the time of birth is

when the body of the child is fully separated from the body of the

mother, i.e. the umbilical chord is cut. Let me quote here from Srila

Prabhupada's purport to Srimad Bhagavatam verse 2.10.28.

> Äsisåpsoù puraù puryä

> näbhi-dväram apänataù

> taträpänas tato måtyuù

> påthaktvam ubhayäçrayam

> TRANSLATION

> Thereafter, when He desired to move from one body to

another, the navel and the air of departure and death were jointly

created. The navel is the shelter for both, namely death and the

separating force.

> PURPORT

> The präëa-väyu continues the life, and the apäna-väyu stops

the living force. Both the vibrations are generated from the abdominal

hole, the navel. This navel is the joint from one body to the other.

Lord Brahmä was born of the abdominal hole of Garbhodakaçäyé Viñëu as

a separate body, and the same principle is followed even in the birth

of any ordinary body. The body of the child develops from the body of

the mother, and when the child is separated from the body of the

mother, it is separated by cutting the navel joint. And that is the

way the Supreme Lord manifested Himself as separated many. The living

entities are therefore separated parts, and thus they have no

independence.But if we would take an ideal case of accurate data, I'm

sure they will confirm Maharishi Jamini's principles. "

>

> How would you spend $50,000 to create a more sustainable environment

in Australia? Go to 7 Answers and share your idea.

>

May 21, 2007

Dear Su,

In KAS system, the time of first breath is considered the time of

birth. That is the point when child struggles for independent

existence. As long as the breath goes on, struggle for life goes on.

Hope that helps.

Thanks & regards,

Manu

, Sue

<vreality_au wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> I am new to this group and enjoy reading yr postings silently. I

hve however a query which I hope you could help clarify.

> When is the exact time of birth of a person? Below are some

email exchanges on the subject.

>

> thank you

> Su

> -

-------

>

> Dera Sue,

>

> Thank you for your email, since the verse is from Srimad

Bhagavatam, it cannot be contested !! It is the ultimate.

>

> After going thru' your email, I referred an old book in which

there is a reference on birth. It states from " Dhruvanadi by

Satyacharya " , who states : " Horoscope should be cast for the time

at which the child falls to the ground - Bhusparsa (touching the

earth) " .

>

> Here your statement is correct in a way, i.e., a child falls on

earth when the umblical cord is cut. (or maybe vice versa too ??)

>

> Shailesh

>

> ----

>

> Dear Shailesh

> Thank you for your reply. I had always been under the

impression that the correct time was as you mentioned (when the

child is fully out of the birth cana), but I came across the foll in

Brihaspati.net (quoted here below), according to which it is the

time when the chord is cut. Would like to hear yr thoughts on it.

Thank you

>

> " According to Sanjay and Srila Prabhupada, the time of birth is

when the body of the child is fully separated from the body of the

mother, i.e. the umbilical chord is cut. Let me quote here from

Srila Prabhupada's purport to Srimad Bhagavatam verse 2.10.28.

> Äsisåpsoù puraù puryä

> näbhi-dväram apänataù

> taträpänas tato måtyuù

> påthaktvam ubhayäçrayam

> TRANSLATION

> Thereafter, when He desired to move from one body to

another, the navel and the air of departure and death were jointly

created. The navel is the shelter for both, namely death and the

separating force.

> PURPORT

> The präëa-väyu continues the life, and the apäna-väyu

stops the living force. Both the vibrations are generated from the

abdominal hole, the navel. This navel is the joint from one body to

the other. Lord Brahmä was born of the abdominal hole of

Garbhodakaçäyé Viñëu as a separate body, and the same principle is

followed even in the birth of any ordinary body. The body of the

child develops from the body of the mother, and when the child is

separated from the body of the mother, it is separated by cutting

the navel joint. And that is the way the Supreme Lord manifested

Himself as separated many. The living entities are therefore

separated parts, and thus they have no independence.But if we would

take an ideal case of accurate data, I'm sure they will confirm

Maharishi Jamini's principles. "

>

> How would you spend $50,000 to create a more sustainable

environment in Australia? Go to 7 Answers and share your idea.

>

May 21, 2007

Dear Ash, Manu and all,

There has been a lot discussions on the subject for past years.

I found the most suitable reason for noting the time of birth as given in KAS.

I am of the opinion that when the baby cries first the time of birth to be

considered.

When the person is declared dead ?

The paerson is declared dead when one breaths last and the same moment is

considered the time of death.

Similarly when one breaths first should be declared the moment of one's birth.

When a baby is born he is given a slap keeping his body upside down so that

he/she will start breathing ownself.

If one does not apply this method the child may die after few minutes.

Therefore moment of taking first breath is taken as the moment of time of

birth.

This is my personal opinion and it has nothing to do with any ancient

astrology books.

Manu Batura <manubatura wrote:

Dear Su,

In KAS system, the time of first breath is considered the time of

birth. That is the point when child struggles for independent

existence. As long as the breath goes on, struggle for life goes on.

Hope that helps.

Thanks & regards,

Manu

, Sue

<vreality_au wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> I am new to this group and enjoy reading yr postings silently. I

hve however a query which I hope you could help clarify.

> When is the exact time of birth of a person? Below are some

email exchanges on the subject.

>

> thank you

> Su

> -------------------------