Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Ash, Manu, Bala, Anup, Satish and all, I picked up a very interesting chart from one of the forum which ia a strange for me. It is a strange chart because the native is running his 47th year , is still unmarried. I thought to put this chart before you all. His birth details are- DOB 05 Sep 1960, TOB 10:30 AM POB 15 N 28 , 75 E 01 India I cast this chart and got asc, as 19 Li 56 There is no delay either by Sa or by Ju. There is no zeros in SAV Chart. All the planets are strong in WS .7th house has only Mo weak. The relationship from lagna, Su , Mo and its 7th lords are in 5:9 thus scoring 90 points out of 100 point scale. Can you please find out the most suitable and convincing reason for being still unmarried despite of max. good traits ? I have observed few points which might be the reason. But I shall give my reasoning after listening from you. Will the marriage is possible in Ma antara of Me main ? According to me Ma antara may give marriage. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Ramesh, There cant be a single rule that can be applied to his non-marital status. As per chart , i found the following reasons for being unmarried till now. 1] Venus being NK and is in 12th house with 5 points showing his proximity with opposite sex and enjoying, spending life lavishly,like taking life one day at a time, having Venusish qualities also, leading all these things fulfilling his respective desires and he might have not consider about marriage. 2] Sat aspecting Venus, the NK, malefically in natal chart, thus spoiling Venus. 3] Venus is with 6th lord Jup in Mars navamsa, the FK sign. 4] Moon is >7 Deg with Ketu in 5th house. 5] 7th lord Mars, is with Sat in 7th house in Mer navamsa and thus spoiled too and aspecting Moon. 6] 12th lord,Mercury,is in 11th house. This person have Jup in 3 sectors in Divisional charts showing he is a bit hypocrite too. And might be fulfilling his desires not showing to this outside world. and Mer in 3 sectors showing his wisdom and Sat as average brilliancy to hide this all. In Mars antra, there is a great chance for his marriage as Mars is strongest significator in 7th house with 43 points, Mars is also functional karka for 7th house, fully healthy for 2nd house having 44 points in 2nd house as KARKA,,LoD for 5th house,Mer and Sat is ready as LoD, LoE for 12th house to give marriage in Mars antra Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash, Manu, Bala, Anup, Satish and all, I picked up a very interesting chart from one of the forum which ia a strange for me. It is a strange chart because the native is running his 47th year , is still unmarried. I thought to put this chart before you all. His birth details are- DOB 05 Sep 1960, TOB 10:30 AM POB 15 N 28 , 75 E 01 India I cast this chart and got asc, as 19 Li 56 There is no delay either by Sa or by Ju. There is no zeros in SAV Chart. All the planets are strong in WS .7th house has only Mo weak. The relationship from lagna, Su , Mo and its 7th lords are in 5:9 thus scoring 90 points out of 100 point scale. Can you please find out the most suitable and convincing reason for being still unmarried despite of max. good traits ? I have observed few points which might be the reason. But I shall give my reasoning after listening from you. Will the marriage is possible in Ma antara of Me main ? According to me Ma antara may give marriage. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Ramesh, We need to get more events for this chart. As per this data, this person must have love marriage or might love someone very much. What is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone to the 12th house from the house they own. Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd Ve is 1st lord in 12th Me is 12th lord in 11th AND for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in 8th house or u can say 12th from B is in house B. All such things reduce the status of the over all chart. Then 2 planets are in own sign and one of of it has 3 sights. In any case, but still I am not convinced about it. My feeling is that this person must have loved someone very much which might not have worked out and he might not be able to move on. I might be wrong, but can u find out about his career, work status, relationships, even marriage if he had one in the past. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Manu, Bala, Anup, Satish and all, > I picked up a very interesting chart from one of the forum which ia a strange for me. > It is a strange chart because the native is running his 47th year , is still unmarried. I thought to put this chart before you all. > His birth details are- > DOB 05 Sep 1960, TOB 10:30 AM POB 15 N 28 , 75 E 01 India > I cast this chart and got asc, as 19 Li 56 > There is no delay either by Sa or by Ju. > There is no zeros in SAV Chart. > All the planets are strong in WS .7th house has only Mo weak. > The relationship from lagna, Su , Mo and its 7th lords are in 5:9 thus scoring 90 points out of 100 point scale. > Can you please find out the most suitable and convincing reason for being still unmarried despite of max. good traits ? > I have observed few points which might be the reason. But I shall give my reasoning after listening from you. > Will the marriage is possible in Ma antara of Me main ? > According to me Ma antara may give marriage. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Yes we need to know more about the native. As ash has mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the house. If we go through + and - Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) Karaka shukra debilited (-) seventh lord in 8th (-) Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and sun (-,-) aspected by mangal(-) Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra (+,+) However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo aspected by managal and with shani so may not offer much protection. Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is afflicted. Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from upapada and with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord from lagna budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is debilited and in 8th from chandra (-,-) Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > We need to get more events for this chart. As per > this data, this > person must have love marriage or might love someone > very much. What > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone to the > 12th house from > the house they own. > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > AND > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in 8th > house or u can say > 12th from B is in house B. > > All such things reduce the status of the over all > chart. > > Then 2 planets are in own sign and one of of it has > 3 sights. > > In any case, but still I am not convinced about it. > > > My feeling is that this person must have loved > someone very much which > might not have worked out and he might not be able > to move on. > > I might be wrong, but can u find out about his > career, work status, > relationships, even marriage if he had one in the > past. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , > ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Manu, Bala, Anup, Satish and all, > > I picked up a very interesting chart from one of > the forum which > ia a strange for me. > > It is a strange chart because the native is > running his 47th year > , is still unmarried. I thought to put this chart > before you all. > > His birth details are- > > DOB 05 Sep 1960, TOB 10:30 AM POB 15 N 28 , 75 E > 01 India > > I cast this chart and got asc, as 19 Li 56 > > There is no delay either by Sa or by Ju. > > There is no zeros in SAV Chart. > > All the planets are strong in WS .7th house has > only Mo weak. > > The relationship from lagna, Su , Mo and its 7th > lords are in 5:9 > thus scoring 90 points out of 100 point scale. > > Can you please find out the most suitable and > convincing reason > for being still unmarried despite of max. good > traits ? > > I have observed few points which might be the > reason. But I shall > give my reasoning after listening from you. > > Will the marriage is possible in Ma antara of Me > main ? > > According to me Ma antara may give marriage. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, > don't allow you to > download CHAT? Here's a solution! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ______________________________\ ____Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Satish, How is Guru weak? What is the logic behind the theory of infancy as per VA, can you talk a bit on it on why is a planet considered weak. Some of my thoughts, infact I say that this Guru at 1 Sag 44 (check your ayanamsa) is powerful for the following reason. Guru is in its own sign in Mool trikon and its in its mool trikon in 8 D charts (7 charts its in mool trikon and in shastianamsa its in pisces) and only in Bhamsa its in neecha sign. Why would you consider this Ju weak? As 6th lord its even more powerful so it can do more damage due to its aspect but that is a different issue. Infact, if Ju was at 0 deg Sag, then Ju will be in its MT in 10 D charts i.e Rasi,d3,d4,d7,d10,d12,d16,d27,d45 and d60. Satish, do u know or is there any reason why Ju would be considered weak in early degrees (infancy). Yes, here what I am saying might be slightly different from the generally accepted norms and hence my question to understand in depth on why in General VA its said that a planet might be weak in very early degrees? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > Yes we need to know more about the native. As ash has > mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the house. > > If we go through + and - > > Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) > Karaka shukra debilited (-) > seventh lord in 8th (-) > > Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) > > 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and sun (-,-) > aspected by mangal(-) > Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) > > Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra (+,+) > > However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo > aspected by managal and with shani so may not offer > much protection. > > Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is afflicted. > Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from upapada and > with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) > > Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord from lagna > budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is debilited > and in 8th from chandra (-,-) > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Ramesh, > > We need to get more events for this chart. As per > > this data, this > > person must have love marriage or might love someone > > very much. What > > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone to the > > 12th house from > > the house they own. > > > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > > > AND > > > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in 8th > > house or u can say > > 12th from B is in house B. > > > > All such things reduce the status of the over all > > chart. > > > > Then 2 planets are in own sign and one of of it has > > 3 sights. > > > > In any case, but still I am not convinced about it. > > > > > > My feeling is that this person must have loved > > someone very much which > > might not have worked out and he might not be able > > to move on. > > > > I might be wrong, but can u find out about his > > career, work status, > > relationships, even marriage if he had one in the > > past. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > > ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Manu, Bala, Anup, Satish and all, > > > I picked up a very interesting chart from one of > > the forum which > > ia a strange for me. > > > It is a strange chart because the native is > > running his 47th year > > , is still unmarried. I thought to put this chart > > before you all. > > > His birth details are- > > > DOB 05 Sep 1960, TOB 10:30 AM POB 15 N 28 , 75 E > > 01 India > > > I cast this chart and got asc, as 19 Li 56 > > > There is no delay either by Sa or by Ju. > > > There is no zeros in SAV Chart. > > > All the planets are strong in WS .7th house has > > only Mo weak. > > > The relationship from lagna, Su , Mo and its 7th > > lords are in 5:9 > > thus scoring 90 points out of 100 point scale. > > > Can you please find out the most suitable and > > convincing reason > > for being still unmarried despite of max. good > > traits ? > > > I have observed few points which might be the > > reason. But I shall > > give my reasoning after listening from you. > > > Will the marriage is possible in Ma antara of Me > > main ? > > > According to me Ma antara may give marriage. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, > > don't allow you to > > download CHAT? Here's a solution! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Ash, The strengths and weakness as per VA is a strange animal. How one measures strength Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, such as sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, etc. Then there is vimshopak bala ( I have not understood this much, the application of it) Varga bala is divisional strength. Then there are avasthas etc. its a compoundium of confusion in my opinion as per application goes. The reason I said it was weak is two fold, any graha in rashi sandhi, I have found to be weak. Some systems who use cusps, treat planets near the cusp or the bhava madhya to be strong and weaken as they move away from it. Secondly, Guru here is in Mool nakshatra ( A malefic nakshatra). Thirdly it is with retro shani and aspected by mangal. Also it is not in the visible half of the zodiac. Guru's aspect in a static model should be benefic, but here it is weak for the reasons I mentioned. Yes there are some strengths as well, in its own sign. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > How is Guru weak? What is the logic behind the > theory of infancy as > per VA, can you talk a bit on it on why is a planet > considered weak. > > Some of my thoughts, infact I say that this Guru at > 1 Sag 44 (check > your ayanamsa) is powerful for the following reason. > > Guru is in its own sign in Mool trikon and its in > its mool trikon in 8 > D charts (7 charts its in mool trikon and in > shastianamsa its in > pisces) and only in Bhamsa its in neecha sign. > > Why would you consider this Ju weak? As 6th lord > its even more > powerful so it can do more damage due to its aspect > but that is a > different issue. > > > Infact, if Ju was at 0 deg Sag, then Ju will be in > its MT in 10 D > charts i.e Rasi,d3,d4,d7,d10,d12,d16,d27,d45 and > d60. > > Satish, do u know or is there any reason why Ju > would be considered > weak in early degrees (infancy). > > Yes, here what I am saying might be slightly > different from the > generally accepted norms and hence my question to > understand in depth > on why in General VA its said that a planet might be > weak in very > early degrees? > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Yes we need to know more about the native. As ash > has > > mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the house. > > > > If we go through + and - > > > > Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) > > Karaka shukra debilited (-) > > seventh lord in 8th (-) > > > > Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) > > > > 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and sun > (-,-) > > aspected by mangal(-) > > Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) > > > > Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra (+,+) > > > > However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo > > aspected by managal and with shani so may not > offer > > much protection. > > > > Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is > afflicted. > > Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from upapada > and > > with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) > > > > Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord from > lagna > > budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is > debilited > > and in 8th from chandra (-,-) > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > We need to get more events for this chart. As > per > > > this data, this > > > person must have love marriage or might love > someone > > > very much. What > > > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone to > the > > > 12th house from > > > the house they own. > > > > > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > > > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > > > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > > > > > AND > > > > > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in 8th > > > house or u can say > > > 12th from B is in house B. > > > > > > All such things reduce the status of the over > all > > > chart. > > > > > > Then 2 planets are in own sign and one of of it > has > > > 3 sights. > > > > > > In any case, but still I am not convinced about > it. > > > > > > > > > My feeling is that this person must have loved > > > someone very much which > > > might not have worked out and he might not be > able > > > to move on. > > > > > > I might be wrong, but can u find out about his > > > career, work status, > > > relationships, even marriage if he had one in > the > > > past. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > > > ramesh mishra > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Manu, Bala, Anup, Satish and all, > > > > I picked up a very interesting chart from > one of > > > the forum which > > > ia a strange for me. > > > > It is a strange chart because the native is > > > running his 47th year > > > , is still unmarried. I thought to put this > chart > > > before you all. > > > > His birth details are- > > > > DOB 05 Sep 1960, TOB 10:30 AM POB 15 N 28 , > 75 E > > > 01 India > > > > I cast this chart and got asc, as 19 Li 56 > > > > There is no delay either by Sa or by Ju. > > > > There is no zeros in SAV Chart. > > > > All the planets are strong in WS .7th house > has > > > only Mo weak. > > > > The relationship from lagna, Su , Mo and its > 7th > > > lords are in 5:9 > > > thus scoring 90 points out of 100 point scale. > > > > Can you please find out the most suitable > and > > > convincing reason > > > for being still unmarried despite of max. good > > > traits ? > > > > I have observed few points which might be > the > > > reason. But I shall > > > give my reasoning after listening from you. > > > > Will the marriage is possible in Ma antara > of Me > > > main ? > > > > According to me Ma antara may give marriage. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, > > > don't allow you to > > > download CHAT? Here's a solution! > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear SPK , While going thru sm old posts, i found sm important mail by Respected Krushnaji,which i reproduce here for all of us in this context. " Principles of vedic astrology are followed fully in this system. The strength of the planets by sign and degree is also important. This is used for the quontam of the result. The strong significator as per astakvarg is resposible for the result, and for the quality and quantity of the result the planets by it's position is responsible. For the planets in tenth house, if two planets are with equal points, then the having lower strength as per it's tenency and in sodasvarg is compared. In such case we select less powerful planet of them " As we are learning KAS, being pure form of VA and well proven,we need such illustrations which are fully preserved in Krushnaji old posts.I think nothing left untouched in KAS.But we got to find this with our efforts. Regards Anup SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Dear Ash, The strengths and weakness as per VA is a strange animal. How one measures strength Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, such as sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, etc. Then there is vimshopak bala ( I have not understood this much, the application of it) Varga bala is divisional strength. Then there are avasthas etc. its a compoundium of confusion in my opinion as per application goes. The reason I said it was weak is two fold, any graha in rashi sandhi, I have found to be weak. Some systems who use cusps, treat planets near the cusp or the bhava madhya to be strong and weaken as they move away from it. Secondly, Guru here is in Mool nakshatra ( A malefic nakshatra). Thirdly it is with retro shani and aspected by mangal. Also it is not in the visible half of the zodiac. Guru's aspect in a static model should be benefic, but here it is weak for the reasons I mentioned. Yes there are some strengths as well, in its own sign. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > How is Guru weak? What is the logic behind the > theory of infancy as > per VA, can you talk a bit on it on why is a planet > considered weak. > > Some of my thoughts, infact I say that this Guru at > 1 Sag 44 (check > your ayanamsa) is powerful for the following reason. > > Guru is in its own sign in Mool trikon and its in > its mool trikon in 8 > D charts (7 charts its in mool trikon and in > shastianamsa its in > pisces) and only in Bhamsa its in neecha sign. > > Why would you consider this Ju weak? As 6th lord > its even more > powerful so it can do more damage due to its aspect > but that is a > different issue. > > > Infact, if Ju was at 0 deg Sag, then Ju will be in > its MT in 10 D > charts i.e Rasi,d3,d4,d7,d10,d12,d16,d27,d45 and > d60. > > Satish, do u know or is there any reason why Ju > would be considered > weak in early degrees (infancy). > > Yes, here what I am saying might be slightly > different from the > generally accepted norms and hence my question to > understand in depth > on why in General VA its said that a planet might be > weak in very > early degrees? > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Yes we need to know more about the native. As ash > has > > mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the house. > > > > If we go through + and - > > > > Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) > > Karaka shukra debilited (-) > > seventh lord in 8th (-) > > > > Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) > > > > 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and sun > (-,-) > > aspected by mangal(-) > > Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) > > > > Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra (+,+) > > > > However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo > > aspected by managal and with shani so may not > offer > > much protection. > > > > Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is > afflicted. > > Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from upapada > and > > with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) > > > > Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord from > lagna > > budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is > debilited > > and in 8th from chandra (-,-) > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > We need to get more events for this chart. As > per > > > this data, this > > > person must have love marriage or might love > someone > > > very much. What > > > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone to > the > > > 12th house from > > > the house they own. > > > > > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > > > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > > > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > > > > > AND > > > > > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in 8th > > > house or u can say > > > 12th from B is in house B. > > > > > > All such things reduce the status of the over > all > > > chart. > > > > > > Then 2 planets are in own sign and one of of it > has > > > 3 sights. > > > > > > In any case, but still I am not convinced about > it. > > > > > > > > > My feeling is that this person must have loved > > > someone very much which > > > might not have worked out and he might not be > able > > > to move on. > > > > > > I might be wrong, but can u find out about his > > > career, work status, > > > relationships, even marriage if he had one in > the > > > past. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > > > ramesh mishra > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Manu, Bala, Anup, Satish and all, > > > > I picked up a very interesting chart from > one of > > > the forum which > > > ia a strange for me. > > > > It is a strange chart because the native is > > > running his 47th year > > > , is still unmarried. I thought to put this > chart > > > before you all. > > > > His birth details are- > > > > DOB 05 Sep 1960, TOB 10:30 AM POB 15 N 28 , > 75 E > > > 01 India > > > > I cast this chart and got asc, as 19 Li 56 > > > > There is no delay either by Sa or by Ju. > > > > There is no zeros in SAV Chart. > > > > All the planets are strong in WS .7th house > has > > > only Mo weak. > > > > The relationship from lagna, Su , Mo and its > 7th > > > lords are in 5:9 > > > thus scoring 90 points out of 100 point scale. > > > > Can you please find out the most suitable > and > > > convincing reason > > > for being still unmarried despite of max. good > > > traits ? > > > > I have observed few points which might be > the > > > reason. But I shall > > > give my reasoning after listening from you. > > > > Will the marriage is possible in Ma antara > of Me > > > main ? > > > > According to me Ma antara may give marriage. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, > > > don't allow you to > > > download CHAT? Here's a solution! > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === ________Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Any way is it possible for u to find out if this native is short in stature and he walks with a hunch or a bend. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Manu, Bala, Anup, Satish and all, > I picked up a very interesting chart from one of the forum which ia a strange for me. > It is a strange chart because the native is running his 47th year , is still unmarried. I thought to put this chart before you all. > His birth details are- > DOB 05 Sep 1960, TOB 10:30 AM POB 15 N 28 , 75 E 01 India > I cast this chart and got asc, as 19 Li 56 > There is no delay either by Sa or by Ju. > There is no zeros in SAV Chart. > All the planets are strong in WS .7th house has only Mo weak. > The relationship from lagna, Su , Mo and its 7th lords are in 5:9 thus scoring 90 points out of 100 point scale. > Can you please find out the most suitable and convincing reason for being still unmarried despite of max. good traits ? > I have observed few points which might be the reason. But I shall give my reasoning after listening from you. > Will the marriage is possible in Ma antara of Me main ? > According to me Ma antara may give marriage. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Satish, Thank you for your mail. Yes, just for your knowledge, in the detailed portion of KAS also we use our own Bhav Chalit, with hour own KAS House system is what I call it, nadis etc, but that again is not linked to timing of events (it might affect only say 1% of the charts) so Krushanji has never spoken about it on this list. That might create a lot of confusion, but suffice to say that its all there in this whole system of KAS. However, we in KAS still do not say that if a planet is away from the starting bhav degrees (or bhav madhya) as you say, it becomes weak. In any case, this is for your info. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > The strengths and weakness as per VA is a strange > animal. How one measures strength > > Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, such as > sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, etc. > > Then there is vimshopak bala ( I have not understood > this much, the application of it) > > Varga bala is divisional strength. > > Then there are avasthas etc. its a compoundium of > confusion in my opinion as per application goes. > > > The reason I said it was weak is two fold, any graha > in rashi sandhi, I have found to be weak. Some systems > who use cusps, treat planets near the cusp or the > bhava madhya to be strong and weaken as they move away > from it. Secondly, Guru here is in Mool nakshatra ( A > malefic nakshatra). Thirdly it is with retro shani and > aspected by mangal. Also it is not in the visible half > of the zodiac. Guru's aspect in a static model should > be benefic, but here it is weak for the reasons I > mentioned. Yes there are some strengths as well, in > its own sign. > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > How is Guru weak? What is the logic behind the > > theory of infancy as > > per VA, can you talk a bit on it on why is a planet > > considered weak. > > > > Some of my thoughts, infact I say that this Guru at > > 1 Sag 44 (check > > your ayanamsa) is powerful for the following reason. > > > > Guru is in its own sign in Mool trikon and its in > > its mool trikon in 8 > > D charts (7 charts its in mool trikon and in > > shastianamsa its in > > pisces) and only in Bhamsa its in neecha sign. > > > > Why would you consider this Ju weak? As 6th lord > > its even more > > powerful so it can do more damage due to its aspect > > but that is a > > different issue. > > > > > > Infact, if Ju was at 0 deg Sag, then Ju will be in > > its MT in 10 D > > charts i.e Rasi,d3,d4,d7,d10,d12,d16,d27,d45 and > > d60. > > > > Satish, do u know or is there any reason why Ju > > would be considered > > weak in early degrees (infancy). > > > > Yes, here what I am saying might be slightly > > different from the > > generally accepted norms and hence my question to > > understand in depth > > on why in General VA its said that a planet might be > > weak in very > > early degrees? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > Yes we need to know more about the native. As ash > > has > > > mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the house. > > > > > > If we go through + and - > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) > > > Karaka shukra debilited (-) > > > seventh lord in 8th (-) > > > > > > Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) > > > > > > 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and sun > > (-,-) > > > aspected by mangal(-) > > > Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) > > > > > > Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra (+,+) > > > > > > However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo > > > aspected by managal and with shani so may not > > offer > > > much protection. > > > > > > Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is > > afflicted. > > > Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from upapada > > and > > > with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) > > > > > > Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord from > > lagna > > > budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is > > debilited > > > and in 8th from chandra (-,-) > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > We need to get more events for this chart. As > > per > > > > this data, this > > > > person must have love marriage or might love > > someone > > > > very much. What > > > > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone to > > the > > > > 12th house from > > > > the house they own. > > > > > > > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > > > > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > > > > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in 8th > > > > house or u can say > > > > 12th from B is in house B. > > > > > > > > All such things reduce the status of the over > > all > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > Then 2 planets are in own sign and one of of it > > has > > > > 3 sights. > > > > > > > > In any case, but still I am not convinced about > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > My feeling is that this person must have loved > > > > someone very much which > > > > might not have worked out and he might not be > > able > > > > to move on. > > > > > > > > I might be wrong, but can u find out about his > > > > career, work status, > > > > relationships, even marriage if he had one in > > the > > > > past. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , > > > > ramesh mishra > > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Manu, Bala, Anup, Satish and all, > > > > > I picked up a very interesting chart from > > one of > > > > the forum which > > > > ia a strange for me. > > > > > It is a strange chart because the native is > > > > running his 47th year > > > > , is still unmarried. I thought to put this > > chart > > > > before you all. > > > > > His birth details are- > > > > > DOB 05 Sep 1960, TOB 10:30 AM POB 15 N 28 , > > 75 E > > > > 01 India > > > > > I cast this chart and got asc, as 19 Li 56 > > > > > There is no delay either by Sa or by Ju. > > > > > There is no zeros in SAV Chart. > > > > > All the planets are strong in WS .7th house > > has > > > > only Mo weak. > > > > > The relationship from lagna, Su , Mo and its > > 7th > > > > lords are in 5:9 > > > > thus scoring 90 points out of 100 point scale. > > > > > Can you please find out the most suitable > > and > > > > convincing reason > > > > for being still unmarried despite of max. good > > > > traits ? > > > > > I have observed few points which might be > > the > > > > reason. But I shall > > > > give my reasoning after listening from you. > > > > > Will the marriage is possible in Ma antara > > of Me > > > > main ? > > > > > According to me Ma antara may give marriage. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, > > > > don't allow you to > > > > download CHAT? Here's a solution! > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ______________________________\ ____Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Ash, I forgot to mention that Guru in this case is not just in rashi sandhi but is in the rashi sandhi of water/fire sign i.e. gandanta. So that will make it weak as well as unauspicious. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Thank you for your mail. Yes, just for your > knowledge, in the > detailed portion of KAS also we use our own Bhav > Chalit, with hour own > KAS House system is what I call it, nadis etc, but > that again is not > linked to timing of events (it might affect only say > 1% of the charts) > so Krushanji has never spoken about it on this list. > That might > create a lot of confusion, but suffice to say that > its all there in > this whole system of KAS. > However, we in KAS still do not say that if a planet > is away from the > starting bhav degrees (or bhav madhya) as you say, > it becomes weak. > > In any case, this is for your info. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > The strengths and weakness as per VA is a strange > > animal. How one measures strength > > > > Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, such > as > > sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, etc. > > > > Then there is vimshopak bala ( I have not > understood > > this much, the application of it) > > > > Varga bala is divisional strength. > > > > Then there are avasthas etc. its a compoundium of > > confusion in my opinion as per application goes. > > > > > > The reason I said it was weak is two fold, any > graha > > in rashi sandhi, I have found to be weak. Some > systems > > who use cusps, treat planets near the cusp or the > > bhava madhya to be strong and weaken as they move > away > > from it. Secondly, Guru here is in Mool nakshatra > ( A > > malefic nakshatra). Thirdly it is with retro shani > and > > aspected by mangal. Also it is not in the visible > half > > of the zodiac. Guru's aspect in a static model > should > > be benefic, but here it is weak for the reasons I > > mentioned. Yes there are some strengths as well, > in > > its own sign. > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > How is Guru weak? What is the logic behind the > > > theory of infancy as > > > per VA, can you talk a bit on it on why is a > planet > > > considered weak. > > > > > > Some of my thoughts, infact I say that this Guru > at > > > 1 Sag 44 (check > > > your ayanamsa) is powerful for the following > reason. > > > > > > Guru is in its own sign in Mool trikon and its > in > > > its mool trikon in 8 > > > D charts (7 charts its in mool trikon and in > > > shastianamsa its in > > > pisces) and only in Bhamsa its in neecha sign. > > > > > > Why would you consider this Ju weak? As 6th > lord > > > its even more > > > powerful so it can do more damage due to its > aspect > > > but that is a > > > different issue. > > > > > > > > > Infact, if Ju was at 0 deg Sag, then Ju will be > in > > > its MT in 10 D > > > charts i.e Rasi,d3,d4,d7,d10,d12,d16,d27,d45 and > > > d60. > > > > > > Satish, do u know or is there any reason why Ju > > > would be considered > > > weak in early degrees (infancy). > > > > > > Yes, here what I am saying might be slightly > > > different from the > > > generally accepted norms and hence my question > to > > > understand in depth > > > on why in General VA its said that a planet > might be > > > weak in very > > > early degrees? > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > Yes we need to know more about the native. As > ash > > > has > > > > mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the > house. > > > > > > > > If we go through + and - > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) > > > > Karaka shukra debilited (-) > > > > seventh lord in 8th (-) > > > > > > > > Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) > > > > > > > > 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and > sun > > > (-,-) > > > > aspected by mangal(-) > > > > Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) > > > > > > > > Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra > (+,+) > > > > > > > > However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo > > > > aspected by managal and with shani so may not > > > offer > > > > much protection. > > > > > > > > Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is > > > afflicted. > > > > Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from > upapada > > > and > > > > with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) > > > > > > > > Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord > from > > > lagna > > > > budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is > > > debilited > > > > and in 8th from chandra (-,-) > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > We need to get more events for this chart. > As > > > per > > > > > this data, this > > > > > person must have love marriage or might love > > > someone > > > > > very much. What > > > > > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone > to > > > the > > > > > 12th house from > > > > > the house they own. > > > > > > > > > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > > > > > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > > > > > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in > 8th > > > > > house or u can say > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. 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Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Dear Ash, Anup,Satish and all, As I had earlier intimated the forum that this chart was picked up from the other forum. The author requested to know his marriage timing being still unmarried. When I casted this chart and I found peculiarity that how the native is still unmarried as against this chart. I put forth this chart before you people to find out the reason if any. I do not know anything about the native so I am unable to say anything about him. I assumed he might be still unmarried. The reasoning of Ash and Anup is convincing. Certain following points I would like to add. Probably these may be the reason for becoming not yet married. According to one of the lesson, the 4th lord is in 3rd alongwith 3rd lord indicating his mental behaviour and psychology. The 6th lord Ju aspects 7th, 9th and 11th house.Ju also aspects LoC. Ju is in the navamsa of Ma and conjoins Ve the NK of 7th. The diff. in SAV between lagna and its 7th is more than the normal. Ve and Mo comes under the sight of Sa in rasi and navamsa too. Both the luminaries are under the grip of Ra/Ke. Lagna lord Ve is afflicted by the aspect of Sa and Ra and conjoining Ju and Ke. Thus his body, soul and mind all are improper. The native might not be interested in marriage earlier. I think the following antara of Ma also may not fructify.Otherwise this antara might have given marriage during Sa MD. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Dear Ash, I forgot to mention that Guru in this case is not just in rashi sandhi but is in the rashi sandhi of water/fire sign i.e. gandanta. So that will make it weak as well as unauspicious. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Thank you for your mail. Yes, just for your > knowledge, in the > detailed portion of KAS also we use our own Bhav > Chalit, with hour own > KAS House system is what I call it, nadis etc, but > that again is not > linked to timing of events (it might affect only say > 1% of the charts) > so Krushanji has never spoken about it on this list. > That might > create a lot of confusion, but suffice to say that > its all there in > this whole system of KAS. > However, we in KAS still do not say that if a planet > is away from the > starting bhav degrees (or bhav madhya) as you say, > it becomes weak. > > In any case, this is for your info. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > The strengths and weakness as per VA is a strange > > animal. How one measures strength > > > > Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, such > as > > sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, etc. > > > > Then there is vimshopak bala ( I have not > understood > > this much, the application of it) > > > > Varga bala is divisional strength. > > > > Then there are avasthas etc. its a compoundium of > > confusion in my opinion as per application goes. > > > > > > The reason I said it was weak is two fold, any > graha > > in rashi sandhi, I have found to be weak. Some > systems > > who use cusps, treat planets near the cusp or the > > bhava madhya to be strong and weaken as they move > away > > from it. Secondly, Guru here is in Mool nakshatra > ( A > > malefic nakshatra). Thirdly it is with retro shani > and > > aspected by mangal. Also it is not in the visible > half > > of the zodiac. Guru's aspect in a static model > should > > be benefic, but here it is weak for the reasons I > > mentioned. Yes there are some strengths as well, > in > > its own sign. > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > How is Guru weak? What is the logic behind the > > > theory of infancy as > > > per VA, can you talk a bit on it on why is a > planet > > > considered weak. > > > > > > Some of my thoughts, infact I say that this Guru > at > > > 1 Sag 44 (check > > > your ayanamsa) is powerful for the following > reason. > > > > > > Guru is in its own sign in Mool trikon and its > in > > > its mool trikon in 8 > > > D charts (7 charts its in mool trikon and in > > > shastianamsa its in > > > pisces) and only in Bhamsa its in neecha sign. > > > > > > Why would you consider this Ju weak? As 6th > lord > > > its even more > > > powerful so it can do more damage due to its > aspect > > > but that is a > > > different issue. > > > > > > > > > Infact, if Ju was at 0 deg Sag, then Ju will be > in > > > its MT in 10 D > > > charts i.e Rasi,d3,d4,d7,d10,d12,d16,d27,d45 and > > > d60. > > > > > > Satish, do u know or is there any reason why Ju > > > would be considered > > > weak in early degrees (infancy). > > > > > > Yes, here what I am saying might be slightly > > > different from the > > > generally accepted norms and hence my question > to > > > understand in depth > > > on why in General VA its said that a planet > might be > > > weak in very > > > early degrees? > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > Yes we need to know more about the native. As > ash > > > has > > > > mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the > house. > > > > > > > > If we go through + and - > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) > > > > Karaka shukra debilited (-) > > > > seventh lord in 8th (-) > > > > > > > > Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) > > > > > > > > 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and > sun > > > (-,-) > > > > aspected by mangal(-) > > > > Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) > > > > > > > > Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra > (+,+) > > > > > > > > However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo > > > > aspected by managal and with shani so may not > > > offer > > > > much protection. > > > > > > > > Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is > > > afflicted. > > > > Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from > upapada > > > and > > > > with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) > > > > > > > > Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord > from > > > lagna > > > > budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is > > > debilited > > > > and in 8th from chandra (-,-) > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > We need to get more events for this chart. > As > > > per > > > > > this data, this > > > > > person must have love marriage or might love > > > someone > > > > > very much. What > > > > > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone > to > > > the > > > > > 12th house from > > > > > the house they own. > > > > > > > > > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > > > > > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > > > > > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in > 8th > > > > > house or u can say > === message truncated === ________Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. 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Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Just for your study purposes, just cast the chart of 11:30 instead of 10:30 and see :-). Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Anup,Satish and all, > As I had earlier intimated the forum that this chart was picked up from the other forum. The author requested to know his marriage timing being still unmarried. > When I casted this chart and I found peculiarity that how the native is still unmarried as against this chart. > I put forth this chart before you people to find out the reason if any. > I do not know anything about the native so I am unable to say anything about him. > I assumed he might be still unmarried. > The reasoning of Ash and Anup is convincing. > Certain following points I would like to add. Probably these may be the reason for becoming not yet married. > According to one of the lesson, the 4th lord is in 3rd alongwith 3rd lord indicating his mental behaviour and psychology. > The 6th lord Ju aspects 7th, 9th and 11th house.Ju also aspects LoC. > Ju is in the navamsa of Ma and conjoins Ve the NK of 7th. > The diff. in SAV between lagna and its 7th is more than the normal. > Ve and Mo comes under the sight of Sa in rasi and navamsa too. > Both the luminaries are under the grip of Ra/Ke. > Lagna lord Ve is afflicted by the aspect of Sa and Ra and conjoining Ju and Ke. > Thus his body, soul and mind all are improper. > The native might not be interested in marriage earlier. > I think the following antara of Ma also may not fructify.Otherwise this antara might have given marriage during Sa MD. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Dear Ash, > > I forgot to mention that Guru in this case is not just > in rashi sandhi but is in the rashi sandhi of > water/fire sign i.e. gandanta. So that will make it > weak as well as unauspicious. > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Thank you for your mail. Yes, just for your > > knowledge, in the > > detailed portion of KAS also we use our own Bhav > > Chalit, with hour own > > KAS House system is what I call it, nadis etc, but > > that again is not > > linked to timing of events (it might affect only say > > 1% of the charts) > > so Krushanji has never spoken about it on this list. > > That might > > create a lot of confusion, but suffice to say that > > its all there in > > this whole system of KAS. > > However, we in KAS still do not say that if a planet > > is away from the > > starting bhav degrees (or bhav madhya) as you say, > > it becomes weak. > > > > In any case, this is for your info. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > The strengths and weakness as per VA is a strange > > > animal. How one measures strength > > > > > > Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, such > > as > > > sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, etc. > > > > > > Then there is vimshopak bala ( I have not > > understood > > > this much, the application of it) > > > > > > Varga bala is divisional strength. > > > > > > Then there are avasthas etc. its a compoundium of > > > confusion in my opinion as per application goes. > > > > > > > > > The reason I said it was weak is two fold, any > > graha > > > in rashi sandhi, I have found to be weak. Some > > systems > > > who use cusps, treat planets near the cusp or the > > > bhava madhya to be strong and weaken as they move > > away > > > from it. Secondly, Guru here is in Mool nakshatra > > ( A > > > malefic nakshatra). Thirdly it is with retro shani > > and > > > aspected by mangal. Also it is not in the visible > > half > > > of the zodiac. Guru's aspect in a static model > > should > > > be benefic, but here it is weak for the reasons I > > > mentioned. Yes there are some strengths as well, > > in > > > its own sign. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > How is Guru weak? What is the logic behind the > > > > theory of infancy as > > > > per VA, can you talk a bit on it on why is a > > planet > > > > considered weak. > > > > > > > > Some of my thoughts, infact I say that this Guru > > at > > > > 1 Sag 44 (check > > > > your ayanamsa) is powerful for the following > > reason. > > > > > > > > Guru is in its own sign in Mool trikon and its > > in > > > > its mool trikon in 8 > > > > D charts (7 charts its in mool trikon and in > > > > shastianamsa its in > > > > pisces) and only in Bhamsa its in neecha sign. > > > > > > > > Why would you consider this Ju weak? As 6th > > lord > > > > its even more > > > > powerful so it can do more damage due to its > > aspect > > > > but that is a > > > > different issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact, if Ju was at 0 deg Sag, then Ju will be > > in > > > > its MT in 10 D > > > > charts i.e Rasi,d3,d4,d7,d10,d12,d16,d27,d45 and > > > > d60. > > > > > > > > Satish, do u know or is there any reason why Ju > > > > would be considered > > > > weak in early degrees (infancy). > > > > > > > > Yes, here what I am saying might be slightly > > > > different from the > > > > generally accepted norms and hence my question > > to > > > > understand in depth > > > > on why in General VA its said that a planet > > might be > > > > weak in very > > > > early degrees? > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > Yes we need to know more about the native. As > > ash > > > > has > > > > > mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the > > house. > > > > > > > > > > If we go through + and - > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) > > > > > Karaka shukra debilited (-) > > > > > seventh lord in 8th (-) > > > > > > > > > > Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) > > > > > > > > > > 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and > > sun > > > > (-,-) > > > > > aspected by mangal(-) > > > > > Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) > > > > > > > > > > Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra > > (+,+) > > > > > > > > > > However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo > > > > > aspected by managal and with shani so may not > > > > offer > > > > > much protection. > > > > > > > > > > Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is > > > > afflicted. > > > > > Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from > > upapada > > > > and > > > > > with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) > > > > > > > > > > Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord > > from > > > > lagna > > > > > budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is > > > > debilited > > > > > and in 8th from chandra (-,-) > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > We need to get more events for this chart. > > As > > > > per > > > > > > this data, this > > > > > > person must have love marriage or might love > > > > someone > > > > > > very much. What > > > > > > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone > > to > > > > the > > > > > > 12th house from > > > > > > the house they own. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > > > > > > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > > > > > > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in > > 8th > > > > > > house or u can say > > > === message truncated === > > ________Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. 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Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Dear Ash, Thanks for help.Taking birth time 11:30 A.M., the scenario of chart changes completely and delay is obtained both by Sa and Ju. This combined delay was over on 07 Jan 85 during Sa-Me. Ma is now 6th lord who influences house/ lord A, B and C. Ma is influencing all the 8 planets by aspect or conjunction and he himself is 9th. Ma as 6th lord is in 7th. Ma did not permit any antara planet to give the event. If I am correct then we may predict that marriage will not take place in future also. Ma is very powerful in WS but being 6th lord it is helpless. What do u say, " Is marriage expected in current running Mo antara ? " My answer is NO. What is your answer ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, Just for your study purposes, just cast the chart of 11:30 instead of 10:30 and see :-). Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, Anup,Satish and all, > As I had earlier intimated the forum that this chart was picked up from the other forum. The author requested to know his marriage timing being still unmarried. > When I casted this chart and I found peculiarity that how the native is still unmarried as against this chart. > I put forth this chart before you people to find out the reason if any. > I do not know anything about the native so I am unable to say anything about him. > I assumed he might be still unmarried. > The reasoning of Ash and Anup is convincing. > Certain following points I would like to add. Probably these may be the reason for becoming not yet married. > According to one of the lesson, the 4th lord is in 3rd alongwith 3rd lord indicating his mental behaviour and psychology. > The 6th lord Ju aspects 7th, 9th and 11th house.Ju also aspects LoC. > Ju is in the navamsa of Ma and conjoins Ve the NK of 7th. > The diff. in SAV between lagna and its 7th is more than the normal. > Ve and Mo comes under the sight of Sa in rasi and navamsa too. > Both the luminaries are under the grip of Ra/Ke. > Lagna lord Ve is afflicted by the aspect of Sa and Ra and conjoining Ju and Ke. > Thus his body, soul and mind all are improper. > The native might not be interested in marriage earlier. > I think the following antara of Ma also may not fructify.Otherwise this antara might have given marriage during Sa MD. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Dear Ash, > > I forgot to mention that Guru in this case is not just > in rashi sandhi but is in the rashi sandhi of > water/fire sign i.e. gandanta. So that will make it > weak as well as unauspicious. > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Thank you for your mail. Yes, just for your > > knowledge, in the > > detailed portion of KAS also we use our own Bhav > > Chalit, with hour own > > KAS House system is what I call it, nadis etc, but > > that again is not > > linked to timing of events (it might affect only say > > 1% of the charts) > > so Krushanji has never spoken about it on this list. > > That might > > create a lot of confusion, but suffice to say that > > its all there in > > this whole system of KAS. > > However, we in KAS still do not say that if a planet > > is away from the > > starting bhav degrees (or bhav madhya) as you say, > > it becomes weak. > > > > In any case, this is for your info. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > The strengths and weakness as per VA is a strange > > > animal. How one measures strength > > > > > > Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, such > > as > > > sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, etc. > > > > > > Then there is vimshopak bala ( I have not > > understood > > > this much, the application of it) > > > > > > Varga bala is divisional strength. > > > > > > Then there are avasthas etc. its a compoundium of > > > confusion in my opinion as per application goes. > > > > > > > > > The reason I said it was weak is two fold, any > > graha > > > in rashi sandhi, I have found to be weak. Some > > systems > > > who use cusps, treat planets near the cusp or the > > > bhava madhya to be strong and weaken as they move > > away > > > from it. Secondly, Guru here is in Mool nakshatra > > ( A > > > malefic nakshatra). Thirdly it is with retro shani > > and > > > aspected by mangal. Also it is not in the visible > > half > > > of the zodiac. Guru's aspect in a static model > > should > > > be benefic, but here it is weak for the reasons I > > > mentioned. Yes there are some strengths as well, > > in > > > its own sign. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > How is Guru weak? What is the logic behind the > > > > theory of infancy as > > > > per VA, can you talk a bit on it on why is a > > planet > > > > considered weak. > > > > > > > > Some of my thoughts, infact I say that this Guru > > at > > > > 1 Sag 44 (check > > > > your ayanamsa) is powerful for the following > > reason. > > > > > > > > Guru is in its own sign in Mool trikon and its > > in > > > > its mool trikon in 8 > > > > D charts (7 charts its in mool trikon and in > > > > shastianamsa its in > > > > pisces) and only in Bhamsa its in neecha sign. > > > > > > > > Why would you consider this Ju weak? As 6th > > lord > > > > its even more > > > > powerful so it can do more damage due to its > > aspect > > > > but that is a > > > > different issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact, if Ju was at 0 deg Sag, then Ju will be > > in > > > > its MT in 10 D > > > > charts i.e Rasi,d3,d4,d7,d10,d12,d16,d27,d45 and > > > > d60. > > > > > > > > Satish, do u know or is there any reason why Ju > > > > would be considered > > > > weak in early degrees (infancy). > > > > > > > > Yes, here what I am saying might be slightly > > > > different from the > > > > generally accepted norms and hence my question > > to > > > > understand in depth > > > > on why in General VA its said that a planet > > might be > > > > weak in very > > > > early degrees? > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > Yes we need to know more about the native. As > > ash > > > > has > > > > > mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the > > house. > > > > > > > > > > If we go through + and - > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) > > > > > Karaka shukra debilited (-) > > > > > seventh lord in 8th (-) > > > > > > > > > > Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) > > > > > > > > > > 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and > > sun > > > > (-,-) > > > > > aspected by mangal(-) > > > > > Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) > > > > > > > > > > Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra > > (+,+) > > > > > > > > > > However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo > > > > > aspected by managal and with shani so may not > > > > offer > > > > > much protection. > > > > > > > > > > Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is > > > > afflicted. > > > > > Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from > > upapada > > > > and > > > > > with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) > > > > > > > > > > Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord > > from > > > > lagna > > > > > budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is > > > > debilited > > > > > and in 8th from chandra (-,-) > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > We need to get more events for this chart. > > As > > > > per > > > > > > this data, this > > > > > > person must have love marriage or might love > > > > someone > > > > > > very much. What > > > > > > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone > > to > > > > the > > > > > > 12th house from > > > > > > the house they own. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > > > > > > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > > > > > > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in > > 8th > > > > > > house or u can say > > > === message truncated === > > ________Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. 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Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Dear Ramesh, When marriage is very delayed, then if opportunity comes and if one person is ready he or she might accept it. Such marriage might be an adjustment. Here also u must study the psychology, if the native is not willing to compromise or " wants something in a very particular way " then such things might work out. So u must study the overall make up of the native himself. This chart, is taken from another list by yourself, if the native is saying that the chart is right, then I will say, that I am not confident due to the absence of past event. Timing of event without proper feedback might not be proper for me to do. So in this mail, I am just giving you some guidance on how to see such delayed marriages. I hope it helps, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > Thanks for help.Taking birth time 11:30 A.M., the scenario of chart changes completely and delay is obtained both by Sa and Ju. > This combined delay was over on 07 Jan 85 during Sa-Me. > Ma is now 6th lord who influences house/ lord A, B and C. > Ma is influencing all the 8 planets by aspect or conjunction and he himself is 9th. > Ma as 6th lord is in 7th. > Ma did not permit any antara planet to give the event. > If I am correct then we may predict that marriage will not take place in future also. > Ma is very powerful in WS but being 6th lord it is helpless. > What do u say, " Is marriage expected in current running Mo antara ? " > My answer is NO. What is your answer ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > Just for your study purposes, just cast the chart of 11:30 instead of > 10:30 and see :-). > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Anup,Satish and all, > > As I had earlier intimated the forum that this chart was picked up > from the other forum. The author requested to know his marriage timing > being still unmarried. > > When I casted this chart and I found peculiarity that how the > native is still unmarried as against this chart. > > I put forth this chart before you people to find out the reason if > any. > > I do not know anything about the native so I am unable to say > anything about him. > > I assumed he might be still unmarried. > > The reasoning of Ash and Anup is convincing. > > Certain following points I would like to add. Probably these may > be the reason for becoming not yet married. > > According to one of the lesson, the 4th lord is in 3rd alongwith > 3rd lord indicating his mental behaviour and psychology. > > The 6th lord Ju aspects 7th, 9th and 11th house.Ju also aspects LoC. > > Ju is in the navamsa of Ma and conjoins Ve the NK of 7th. > > The diff. in SAV between lagna and its 7th is more than the normal. > > Ve and Mo comes under the sight of Sa in rasi and navamsa too. > > Both the luminaries are under the grip of Ra/Ke. > > Lagna lord Ve is afflicted by the aspect of Sa and Ra and > conjoining Ju and Ke. > > Thus his body, soul and mind all are improper. > > The native might not be interested in marriage earlier. > > I think the following antara of Ma also may not fructify.Otherwise > this antara might have given marriage during Sa MD. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > I forgot to mention that Guru in this case is not just > > in rashi sandhi but is in the rashi sandhi of > > water/fire sign i.e. gandanta. So that will make it > > weak as well as unauspicious. > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Thank you for your mail. Yes, just for your > > > knowledge, in the > > > detailed portion of KAS also we use our own Bhav > > > Chalit, with hour own > > > KAS House system is what I call it, nadis etc, but > > > that again is not > > > linked to timing of events (it might affect only say > > > 1% of the charts) > > > so Krushanji has never spoken about it on this list. > > > That might > > > create a lot of confusion, but suffice to say that > > > its all there in > > > this whole system of KAS. > > > However, we in KAS still do not say that if a planet > > > is away from the > > > starting bhav degrees (or bhav madhya) as you say, > > > it becomes weak. > > > > > > In any case, this is for your info. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > The strengths and weakness as per VA is a strange > > > > animal. How one measures strength > > > > > > > > Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, such > > > as > > > > sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, etc. > > > > > > > > Then there is vimshopak bala ( I have not > > > understood > > > > this much, the application of it) > > > > > > > > Varga bala is divisional strength. > > > > > > > > Then there are avasthas etc. its a compoundium of > > > > confusion in my opinion as per application goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason I said it was weak is two fold, any > > > graha > > > > in rashi sandhi, I have found to be weak. Some > > > systems > > > > who use cusps, treat planets near the cusp or the > > > > bhava madhya to be strong and weaken as they move > > > away > > > > from it. Secondly, Guru here is in Mool nakshatra > > > ( A > > > > malefic nakshatra). Thirdly it is with retro shani > > > and > > > > aspected by mangal. Also it is not in the visible > > > half > > > > of the zodiac. Guru's aspect in a static model > > > should > > > > be benefic, but here it is weak for the reasons I > > > > mentioned. Yes there are some strengths as well, > > > in > > > > its own sign. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > How is Guru weak? What is the logic behind the > > > > > theory of infancy as > > > > > per VA, can you talk a bit on it on why is a > > > planet > > > > > considered weak. > > > > > > > > > > Some of my thoughts, infact I say that this Guru > > > at > > > > > 1 Sag 44 (check > > > > > your ayanamsa) is powerful for the following > > > reason. > > > > > > > > > > Guru is in its own sign in Mool trikon and its > > > in > > > > > its mool trikon in 8 > > > > > D charts (7 charts its in mool trikon and in > > > > > shastianamsa its in > > > > > pisces) and only in Bhamsa its in neecha sign. > > > > > > > > > > Why would you consider this Ju weak? As 6th > > > lord > > > > > its even more > > > > > powerful so it can do more damage due to its > > > aspect > > > > > but that is a > > > > > different issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact, if Ju was at 0 deg Sag, then Ju will be > > > in > > > > > its MT in 10 D > > > > > charts i.e Rasi,d3,d4,d7,d10,d12,d16,d27,d45 and > > > > > d60. > > > > > > > > > > Satish, do u know or is there any reason why Ju > > > > > would be considered > > > > > weak in early degrees (infancy). > > > > > > > > > > Yes, here what I am saying might be slightly > > > > > different from the > > > > > generally accepted norms and hence my question > > > to > > > > > understand in depth > > > > > on why in General VA its said that a planet > > > might be > > > > > weak in very > > > > > early degrees? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes we need to know more about the native. As > > > ash > > > > > has > > > > > > mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we go through + and - > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) > > > > > > Karaka shukra debilited (-) > > > > > > seventh lord in 8th (-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and > > > sun > > > > > (-,-) > > > > > > aspected by mangal(-) > > > > > > Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra > > > (+,+) > > > > > > > > > > > > However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo > > > > > > aspected by managal and with shani so may not > > > > > offer > > > > > > much protection. > > > > > > > > > > > > Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is > > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from > > > upapada > > > > > and > > > > > > with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord > > > from > > > > > lagna > > > > > > budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is > > > > > debilited > > > > > > and in 8th from chandra (-,-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > We need to get more events for this chart. > > > As > > > > > per > > > > > > > this data, this > > > > > > > person must have love marriage or might love > > > > > someone > > > > > > > very much. What > > > > > > > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > 12th house from > > > > > > > the house they own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > > > > > > > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > > > > > > > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in > > > 8th > > > > > > > house or u can say > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > ________Fussy? > Opinionated? 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Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Dear Ash and all, Here is one more chart of a male native who is still unmarried and passing his 47 th year as bachelor.His birth details are- DOB- 29 Dec 1967, TOB- 17:23 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E 13 India. The native is a central govt.employee and not interested in marriage due to some domestic problem. You may compare this chart with that of earlier native. In this chart 6th lord is Ma who aspects house/lords A, B and C. NK Ve is in 6th and FK Mo is also in 6th. There is no delay by Sa but delay is due to Ju. My point is that whenever 6th lord influences house or lords of A, B and C then marriage is either very late or sometime it denies also. I had one more chart of similar status but I think I have deleted that from my file. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, When marriage is very delayed, then if opportunity comes and if one person is ready he or she might accept it. Such marriage might be an adjustment. Here also u must study the psychology, if the native is not willing to compromise or " wants something in a very particular way " then such things might work out. So u must study the overall make up of the native himself. This chart, is taken from another list by yourself, if the native is saying that the chart is right, then I will say, that I am not confident due to the absence of past event. Timing of event without proper feedback might not be proper for me to do. So in this mail, I am just giving you some guidance on how to see such delayed marriages. I hope it helps, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > Thanks for help.Taking birth time 11:30 A.M., the scenario of chart changes completely and delay is obtained both by Sa and Ju. > This combined delay was over on 07 Jan 85 during Sa-Me. > Ma is now 6th lord who influences house/ lord A, B and C. > Ma is influencing all the 8 planets by aspect or conjunction and he himself is 9th. > Ma as 6th lord is in 7th. > Ma did not permit any antara planet to give the event. > If I am correct then we may predict that marriage will not take place in future also. > Ma is very powerful in WS but being 6th lord it is helpless. > What do u say, " Is marriage expected in current running Mo antara ? " > My answer is NO. What is your answer ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > Just for your study purposes, just cast the chart of 11:30 instead of > 10:30 and see :-). > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Anup,Satish and all, > > As I had earlier intimated the forum that this chart was picked up > from the other forum. The author requested to know his marriage timing > being still unmarried. > > When I casted this chart and I found peculiarity that how the > native is still unmarried as against this chart. > > I put forth this chart before you people to find out the reason if > any. > > I do not know anything about the native so I am unable to say > anything about him. > > I assumed he might be still unmarried. > > The reasoning of Ash and Anup is convincing. > > Certain following points I would like to add. Probably these may > be the reason for becoming not yet married. > > According to one of the lesson, the 4th lord is in 3rd alongwith > 3rd lord indicating his mental behaviour and psychology. > > The 6th lord Ju aspects 7th, 9th and 11th house.Ju also aspects LoC. > > Ju is in the navamsa of Ma and conjoins Ve the NK of 7th. > > The diff. in SAV between lagna and its 7th is more than the normal. > > Ve and Mo comes under the sight of Sa in rasi and navamsa too. > > Both the luminaries are under the grip of Ra/Ke. > > Lagna lord Ve is afflicted by the aspect of Sa and Ra and > conjoining Ju and Ke. > > Thus his body, soul and mind all are improper. > > The native might not be interested in marriage earlier. > > I think the following antara of Ma also may not fructify.Otherwise > this antara might have given marriage during Sa MD. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > I forgot to mention that Guru in this case is not just > > in rashi sandhi but is in the rashi sandhi of > > water/fire sign i.e. gandanta. So that will make it > > weak as well as unauspicious. > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Thank you for your mail. Yes, just for your > > > knowledge, in the > > > detailed portion of KAS also we use our own Bhav > > > Chalit, with hour own > > > KAS House system is what I call it, nadis etc, but > > > that again is not > > > linked to timing of events (it might affect only say > > > 1% of the charts) > > > so Krushanji has never spoken about it on this list. > > > That might > > > create a lot of confusion, but suffice to say that > > > its all there in > > > this whole system of KAS. > > > However, we in KAS still do not say that if a planet > > > is away from the > > > starting bhav degrees (or bhav madhya) as you say, > > > it becomes weak. > > > > > > In any case, this is for your info. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > The strengths and weakness as per VA is a strange > > > > animal. How one measures strength > > > > > > > > Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, such > > > as > > > > sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, etc. > > > > > > > > Then there is vimshopak bala ( I have not > > > understood > > > > this much, the application of it) > > > > > > > > Varga bala is divisional strength. > > > > > > > > Then there are avasthas etc. its a compoundium of > > > > confusion in my opinion as per application goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason I said it was weak is two fold, any > > > graha > > > > in rashi sandhi, I have found to be weak. Some > > > systems > > > > who use cusps, treat planets near the cusp or the > > > > bhava madhya to be strong and weaken as they move > > > away > > > > from it. Secondly, Guru here is in Mool nakshatra > > > ( A > > > > malefic nakshatra). Thirdly it is with retro shani > > > and > > > > aspected by mangal. Also it is not in the visible > > > half > > > > of the zodiac. Guru's aspect in a static model > > > should > > > > be benefic, but here it is weak for the reasons I > > > > mentioned. Yes there are some strengths as well, > > > in > > > > its own sign. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > How is Guru weak? What is the logic behind the > > > > > theory of infancy as > > > > > per VA, can you talk a bit on it on why is a > > > planet > > > > > considered weak. > > > > > > > > > > Some of my thoughts, infact I say that this Guru > > > at > > > > > 1 Sag 44 (check > > > > > your ayanamsa) is powerful for the following > > > reason. > > > > > > > > > > Guru is in its own sign in Mool trikon and its > > > in > > > > > its mool trikon in 8 > > > > > D charts (7 charts its in mool trikon and in > > > > > shastianamsa its in > > > > > pisces) and only in Bhamsa its in neecha sign. > > > > > > > > > > Why would you consider this Ju weak? As 6th > > > lord > > > > > its even more > > > > > powerful so it can do more damage due to its > > > aspect > > > > > but that is a > > > > > different issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact, if Ju was at 0 deg Sag, then Ju will be > > > in > > > > > its MT in 10 D > > > > > charts i.e Rasi,d3,d4,d7,d10,d12,d16,d27,d45 and > > > > > d60. > > > > > > > > > > Satish, do u know or is there any reason why Ju > > > > > would be considered > > > > > weak in early degrees (infancy). > > > > > > > > > > Yes, here what I am saying might be slightly > > > > > different from the > > > > > generally accepted norms and hence my question > > > to > > > > > understand in depth > > > > > on why in General VA its said that a planet > > > might be > > > > > weak in very > > > > > early degrees? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes we need to know more about the native. As > > > ash > > > > > has > > > > > > mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we go through + and - > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) > > > > > > Karaka shukra debilited (-) > > > > > > seventh lord in 8th (-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and > > > sun > > > > > (-,-) > > > > > > aspected by mangal(-) > > > > > > Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra > > > (+,+) > > > > > > > > > > > > However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo > > > > > > aspected by managal and with shani so may not > > > > > offer > > > > > > much protection. > > > > > > > > > > > > Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is > > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from > > > upapada > > > > > and > > > > > > with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord > > > from > > > > > lagna > > > > > > budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is > > > > > debilited > > > > > > and in 8th from chandra (-,-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > We need to get more events for this chart. > > > As > > > > > per > > > > > > > this data, this > > > > > > > person must have love marriage or might love > > > > > someone > > > > > > > very much. What > > > > > > > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > 12th house from > > > > > > > the house they own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > > > > > > > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > > > > > > > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in > > > 8th > > > > > > > house or u can say > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > ________Fussy? > Opinionated? 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Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Is this person really 47? With the date of birth you have given, it appears like he is 40 years old and that too will turn 40 in December. In my attempt, there is jupiter delay and one zero, however judging by the points of the planets, only Mercury, Venus and Saturn have power. Out of that Saturn has become samdharmi to 6th lord mars and venus has gone to the 6th house. That only leaves Mercury to give results, Mercury has good points for 5th and 7th and not enough in 12th... But I have seen charts where planets with less points in 12th have still given results. I could be wrong, maybe Ash can clarify. Thanks and Regards Sindhu --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Ash and all, > Here is one more chart of a male native who is > still unmarried and passing his 47 th year as > bachelor.His birth details are- > DOB- 29 Dec 1967, TOB- 17:23 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E > 13 India. > The native is a central govt.employee and not > interested in marriage due to some domestic problem. > You may compare this chart with that of earlier > native. > In this chart 6th lord is Ma who aspects > house/lords A, B and C. > NK Ve is in 6th and FK Mo is also in 6th. > There is no delay by Sa but delay is due to Ju. > My point is that whenever 6th lord influences > house or lords of A, B and C then marriage is either > very late or sometime it denies also. > I had one more chart of similar status but I think > I have deleted that from my file. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > When marriage is very delayed, then if opportunity > comes and if one > person is ready he or she might accept it. Such > marriage might be an > adjustment. Here also u must study the psychology, > if the native is > not willing to compromise or " wants something in a > very particular > way " then such things might work out. So u must > study the overall > make up of the native himself. > > This chart, is taken from another list by yourself, > if the native is > saying that the chart is right, then I will say, > that I am not > confident due to the absence of past event. > > Timing of event without proper feedback might not be > proper for me to > do. So in this mail, I am just giving you some > guidance on how to see > such delayed marriages. > > I hope it helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , > ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for help.Taking birth time 11:30 A.M., the > scenario of > chart changes completely and delay is obtained both > by Sa and Ju. > > This combined delay was over on 07 Jan 85 during > Sa-Me. > > Ma is now 6th lord who influences house/ lord A, B > and C. > > Ma is influencing all the 8 planets by aspect or > conjunction and > he himself is 9th. > > Ma as 6th lord is in 7th. > > Ma did not permit any antara planet to give the > event. > > If I am correct then we may predict that marriage > will not take > place in future also. > > Ma is very powerful in WS but being 6th lord it is > helpless. > > What do u say, " Is marriage expected in current > running Mo antara ? " > > My answer is NO. What is your answer ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > Just for your study purposes, just cast the chart > of 11:30 instead of > > 10:30 and see :-). > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup,Satish and all, > > > As I had earlier intimated the forum that this > chart was picked up > > from the other forum. The author requested to know > his marriage timing > > being still unmarried. > > > When I casted this chart and I found peculiarity > that how the > > native is still unmarried as against this chart. > > > I put forth this chart before you people to find > out the reason if > > any. > > > I do not know anything about the native so I am > unable to say > > anything about him. > > > I assumed he might be still unmarried. > > > The reasoning of Ash and Anup is convincing. > > > Certain following points I would like to add. > Probably these may > > be the reason for becoming not yet married. > > > According to one of the lesson, the 4th lord is > in 3rd alongwith > > 3rd lord indicating his mental behaviour and > psychology. > > > The 6th lord Ju aspects 7th, 9th and 11th > house.Ju also aspects LoC. > > > Ju is in the navamsa of Ma and conjoins Ve the > NK of 7th. > > > The diff. in SAV between lagna and its 7th is > more than the normal. > > > Ve and Mo comes under the sight of Sa in rasi > and navamsa too. > > > Both the luminaries are under the grip of Ra/Ke. > > > Lagna lord Ve is afflicted by the aspect of Sa > and Ra and > > conjoining Ju and Ke. > > > Thus his body, soul and mind all are improper. > > > The native might not be interested in marriage > earlier. > > > I think the following antara of Ma also may not > fructify.Otherwise > > this antara might have given marriage during Sa > MD. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I forgot to mention that Guru in this case is > not just > > > in rashi sandhi but is in the rashi sandhi of > > > water/fire sign i.e. gandanta. So that will make > it > > > weak as well as unauspicious. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your mail. Yes, just for your > > > > knowledge, in the > > > > detailed portion of KAS also we use our own > Bhav > > > > Chalit, with hour own > > > > KAS House system is what I call it, nadis etc, > but > > > > that again is not > > > > linked to timing of events (it might affect > only say > > > > 1% of the charts) > > > > so Krushanji has never spoken about it on this > list. > > > > That might > > > > create a lot of confusion, but suffice to say > that > > > > its all there in > > > > this whole system of KAS. > > > > However, we in KAS still do not say that if a > planet > > > > is away from the > > > > starting bhav degrees (or bhav madhya) as you > say, > > > > it becomes weak. > > > > > > > > In any case, this is for your info. > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > The strengths and weakness as per VA is a > strange > > > > > animal. How one measures strength > > > > > > > > > > Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, > such > > > > as > > > > > sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, > etc. > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Dear Sindhu and all, Sorry. That is typo. I meant 40th year. Thanks for pointing mistakes. Ramesh Mishra Sindhu Iyer <sindhu_iyer wrote: Dear Ramesh, Is this person really 47? With the date of birth you have given, it appears like he is 40 years old and that too will turn 40 in December. In my attempt, there is jupiter delay and one zero, however judging by the points of the planets, only Mercury, Venus and Saturn have power. Out of that Saturn has become samdharmi to 6th lord mars and venus has gone to the 6th house. That only leaves Mercury to give results, Mercury has good points for 5th and 7th and not enough in 12th... But I have seen charts where planets with less points in 12th have still given results. I could be wrong, maybe Ash can clarify. Thanks and Regards Sindhu --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Ash and all, > Here is one more chart of a male native who is > still unmarried and passing his 47 th year as > bachelor.His birth details are- > DOB- 29 Dec 1967, TOB- 17:23 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E > 13 India. > The native is a central govt.employee and not > interested in marriage due to some domestic problem. > You may compare this chart with that of earlier > native. > In this chart 6th lord is Ma who aspects > house/lords A, B and C. > NK Ve is in 6th and FK Mo is also in 6th. > There is no delay by Sa but delay is due to Ju. > My point is that whenever 6th lord influences > house or lords of A, B and C then marriage is either > very late or sometime it denies also. > I had one more chart of similar status but I think > I have deleted that from my file. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > When marriage is very delayed, then if opportunity > comes and if one > person is ready he or she might accept it. Such > marriage might be an > adjustment. Here also u must study the psychology, > if the native is > not willing to compromise or " wants something in a > very particular > way " then such things might work out. So u must > study the overall > make up of the native himself. > > This chart, is taken from another list by yourself, > if the native is > saying that the chart is right, then I will say, > that I am not > confident due to the absence of past event. > > Timing of event without proper feedback might not be > proper for me to > do. So in this mail, I am just giving you some > guidance on how to see > such delayed marriages. > > I hope it helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , > ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for help.Taking birth time 11:30 A.M., the > scenario of > chart changes completely and delay is obtained both > by Sa and Ju. > > This combined delay was over on 07 Jan 85 during > Sa-Me. > > Ma is now 6th lord who influences house/ lord A, B > and C. > > Ma is influencing all the 8 planets by aspect or > conjunction and > he himself is 9th. > > Ma as 6th lord is in 7th. > > Ma did not permit any antara planet to give the > event. > > If I am correct then we may predict that marriage > will not take > place in future also. > > Ma is very powerful in WS but being 6th lord it is > helpless. > > What do u say, " Is marriage expected in current > running Mo antara ? " > > My answer is NO. What is your answer ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > Just for your study purposes, just cast the chart > of 11:30 instead of > > 10:30 and see :-). > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup,Satish and all, > > > As I had earlier intimated the forum that this > chart was picked up > > from the other forum. The author requested to know > his marriage timing > > being still unmarried. > > > When I casted this chart and I found peculiarity > that how the > > native is still unmarried as against this chart. > > > I put forth this chart before you people to find > out the reason if > > any. > > > I do not know anything about the native so I am > unable to say > > anything about him. > > > I assumed he might be still unmarried. > > > The reasoning of Ash and Anup is convincing. > > > Certain following points I would like to add. > Probably these may > > be the reason for becoming not yet married. > > > According to one of the lesson, the 4th lord is > in 3rd alongwith > > 3rd lord indicating his mental behaviour and > psychology. > > > The 6th lord Ju aspects 7th, 9th and 11th > house.Ju also aspects LoC. > > > Ju is in the navamsa of Ma and conjoins Ve the > NK of 7th. > > > The diff. in SAV between lagna and its 7th is > more than the normal. > > > Ve and Mo comes under the sight of Sa in rasi > and navamsa too. > > > Both the luminaries are under the grip of Ra/Ke. > > > Lagna lord Ve is afflicted by the aspect of Sa > and Ra and > > conjoining Ju and Ke. > > > Thus his body, soul and mind all are improper. > > > The native might not be interested in marriage > earlier. > > > I think the following antara of Ma also may not > fructify.Otherwise > > this antara might have given marriage during Sa > MD. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I forgot to mention that Guru in this case is > not just > > > in rashi sandhi but is in the rashi sandhi of > > > water/fire sign i.e. gandanta. So that will make > it > > > weak as well as unauspicious. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your mail. Yes, just for your > > > > knowledge, in the > > > > detailed portion of KAS also we use our own > Bhav > > > > Chalit, with hour own > > > > KAS House system is what I call it, nadis etc, > but > > > > that again is not > > > > linked to timing of events (it might affect > only say > > > > 1% of the charts) > > > > so Krushanji has never spoken about it on this > list. > > > > That might > > > > create a lot of confusion, but suffice to say > that > > > > its all there in > > > > this whole system of KAS. > > > > However, we in KAS still do not say that if a > planet > > > > is away from the > > > > starting bhav degrees (or bhav madhya) as you > say, > > > > it becomes weak. > > > > > > > > In any case, this is for your info. > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > The strengths and weakness as per VA is a > strange > > > > > animal. How one measures strength > > > > > > > > > > Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, > such > > > > as > > > > > sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, > etc. > === message truncated === ________Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Know how! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Dear Sindhu and Ramesh, Very good attempt. Here both NK and FK are in black hole i.e. 6th house. So that itself is the indication of problems. Now Jupiter is causing delay as well and there is 1 zero in 9th house. 9th house can also mean next generation. So 9th lord itself has 0 there. 9th house is a very important house. Then 6th lord aspects Karak sthan and its lord is in 6th both nk and fk. Then coming to points, as Sindhu said that only Me, Ve and Sa are powerful to give marriage for 7th. Out of which Ve is in 6th house so its disturbed and Sa is in navamsa of 6th lord so again thats SD to 6th lord. Me is left. Now Mercury antra will come in 2008-dec to 2009-oct so good time then. Here I want to find out Ramesh, if this native is heavily influenced by his mother and he might be very attached to his mother. Is his mother opposed to his marriage or is the reason behind him not marrying. Can you please find out for my learnings. I will appreciate it. You are doing well Sindhu, keep it up. Actually whats commendable to all of you is that you all are trying to solve more difficult charts that are coming up in this list. I think for happy marriages might be very simple to predict. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , Sindhu Iyer <sindhu_iyer wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > Is this person really 47? With the date of birth you > have given, it appears like he is 40 years old and > that too will turn 40 in December. > > In my attempt, there is jupiter delay and one zero, > however judging by the points of the planets, only > Mercury, Venus and Saturn have power. > Out of that Saturn has become samdharmi to 6th lord > mars and venus has gone to the 6th house. > > That only leaves Mercury to give results, Mercury has > good points for 5th and 7th and not enough in 12th... > But I have seen charts where planets with less points > in 12th have still given results. I could be wrong, > maybe Ash can clarify. > > > Thanks and Regards > Sindhu > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Dear Ash and all, > > Here is one more chart of a male native who is > > still unmarried and passing his 47 th year as > > bachelor.His birth details are- > > DOB- 29 Dec 1967, TOB- 17:23 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E > > 13 India. > > The native is a central govt.employee and not > > interested in marriage due to some domestic problem. > > You may compare this chart with that of earlier > > native. > > In this chart 6th lord is Ma who aspects > > house/lords A, B and C. > > NK Ve is in 6th and FK Mo is also in 6th. > > There is no delay by Sa but delay is due to Ju. > > My point is that whenever 6th lord influences > > house or lords of A, B and C then marriage is either > > very late or sometime it denies also. > > I had one more chart of similar status but I think > > I have deleted that from my file. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > When marriage is very delayed, then if opportunity > > comes and if one > > person is ready he or she might accept it. Such > > marriage might be an > > adjustment. Here also u must study the psychology, > > if the native is > > not willing to compromise or " wants something in a > > very particular > > way " then such things might work out. So u must > > study the overall > > make up of the native himself. > > > > This chart, is taken from another list by yourself, > > if the native is > > saying that the chart is right, then I will say, > > that I am not > > confident due to the absence of past event. > > > > Timing of event without proper feedback might not be > > proper for me to > > do. So in this mail, I am just giving you some > > guidance on how to see > > such delayed marriages. > > > > I hope it helps, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > > ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > Thanks for help.Taking birth time 11:30 A.M., the > > scenario of > > chart changes completely and delay is obtained both > > by Sa and Ju. > > > This combined delay was over on 07 Jan 85 during > > Sa-Me. > > > Ma is now 6th lord who influences house/ lord A, B > > and C. > > > Ma is influencing all the 8 planets by aspect or > > conjunction and > > he himself is 9th. > > > Ma as 6th lord is in 7th. > > > Ma did not permit any antara planet to give the > > event. > > > If I am correct then we may predict that marriage > > will not take > > place in future also. > > > Ma is very powerful in WS but being 6th lord it is > > helpless. > > > What do u say, " Is marriage expected in current > > running Mo antara ? " > > > My answer is NO. What is your answer ? > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > Just for your study purposes, just cast the chart > > of 11:30 instead of > > > 10:30 and see :-). > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > > ramesh mishra > > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup,Satish and all, > > > > As I had earlier intimated the forum that this > > chart was picked up > > > from the other forum. The author requested to know > > his marriage timing > > > being still unmarried. > > > > When I casted this chart and I found peculiarity > > that how the > > > native is still unmarried as against this chart. > > > > I put forth this chart before you people to find > > out the reason if > > > any. > > > > I do not know anything about the native so I am > > unable to say > > > anything about him. > > > > I assumed he might be still unmarried. > > > > The reasoning of Ash and Anup is convincing. > > > > Certain following points I would like to add. > > Probably these may > > > be the reason for becoming not yet married. > > > > According to one of the lesson, the 4th lord is > > in 3rd alongwith > > > 3rd lord indicating his mental behaviour and > > psychology. > > > > The 6th lord Ju aspects 7th, 9th and 11th > > house.Ju also aspects LoC. > > > > Ju is in the navamsa of Ma and conjoins Ve the > > NK of 7th. > > > > The diff. in SAV between lagna and its 7th is > > more than the normal. > > > > Ve and Mo comes under the sight of Sa in rasi > > and navamsa too. > > > > Both the luminaries are under the grip of Ra/Ke. > > > > Lagna lord Ve is afflicted by the aspect of Sa > > and Ra and > > > conjoining Ju and Ke. > > > > Thus his body, soul and mind all are improper. > > > > The native might not be interested in marriage > > earlier. > > > > I think the following antara of Ma also may not > > fructify.Otherwise > > > this antara might have given marriage during Sa > > MD. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention that Guru in this case is > > not just > > > > in rashi sandhi but is in the rashi sandhi of > > > > water/fire sign i.e. gandanta. So that will make > > it > > > > weak as well as unauspicious. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your mail. Yes, just for your > > > > > knowledge, in the > > > > > detailed portion of KAS also we use our own > > Bhav > > > > > Chalit, with hour own > > > > > KAS House system is what I call it, nadis etc, > > but > > > > > that again is not > > > > > linked to timing of events (it might affect > > only say > > > > > 1% of the charts) > > > > > so Krushanji has never spoken about it on this > > list. > > > > > That might > > > > > create a lot of confusion, but suffice to say > > that > > > > > its all there in > > > > > this whole system of KAS. > > > > > However, we in KAS still do not say that if a > > planet > > > > > is away from the > > > > > starting bhav degrees (or bhav madhya) as you > > say, > > > > > it becomes weak. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, this is for your info. > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > The strengths and weakness as per VA is a > > strange > > > > > > animal. How one measures strength > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, > > such > > > > > as > > > > > > sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, > > etc. > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ______________________________\ ____Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Very good observation. Though on a slightly different approach. Ramesh, just read Lesson 19 again carefully. What you are doing is on proper track. Here Mars is aspecting 11th house, 2nd house and 3rd house and itself is in unccha sthan and with 4 bindus. So it will spoil the house it aspects that is first thing. Now, take 11th house as B. So A = 6th, D = 4th and E = 8th. 6th and 11th lord itself is Mars and Mars is in House D or 8th house and lord of 8th house is saturn is in navamsa of Mars so 11th house is spoilt. Next take 2nd house. So A = 9th, B = 2nd, D = 11th and E = 7th. Mars aspects B, House A has 0 due to Saturn and LoA is in Navamsa of 6th lord so again SD to 6th lord, LoE is Ju and is aspected by 6th lord and LoD is Mars itself. Next take 3rd house. A = 10th, B = 3rd, D = 12th and E = 8th. Mars is in House E, Mars aspect House B, Mars aspects LoA Ju, and LoC is Venus who is in 6th house itself. So the result of these houses are spoilt. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > Here is one more chart of a male native who is still unmarried and passing his 47 th year as bachelor.His birth details are- > DOB- 29 Dec 1967, TOB- 17:23 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E 13 India. > The native is a central govt.employee and not interested in marriage due to some domestic problem. > You may compare this chart with that of earlier native. > In this chart 6th lord is Ma who aspects house/lords A, B and C. > NK Ve is in 6th and FK Mo is also in 6th. > There is no delay by Sa but delay is due to Ju. > My point is that whenever 6th lord influences house or lords of A, B and C then marriage is either very late or sometime it denies also. > I had one more chart of similar status but I think I have deleted that from my file. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > When marriage is very delayed, then if opportunity comes and if one > person is ready he or she might accept it. Such marriage might be an > adjustment. Here also u must study the psychology, if the native is > not willing to compromise or " wants something in a very particular > way " then such things might work out. So u must study the overall > make up of the native himself. > > This chart, is taken from another list by yourself, if the native is > saying that the chart is right, then I will say, that I am not > confident due to the absence of past event. > > Timing of event without proper feedback might not be proper for me to > do. So in this mail, I am just giving you some guidance on how to see > such delayed marriages. > > I hope it helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for help.Taking birth time 11:30 A.M., the scenario of > chart changes completely and delay is obtained both by Sa and Ju. > > This combined delay was over on 07 Jan 85 during Sa-Me. > > Ma is now 6th lord who influences house/ lord A, B and C. > > Ma is influencing all the 8 planets by aspect or conjunction and > he himself is 9th. > > Ma as 6th lord is in 7th. > > Ma did not permit any antara planet to give the event. > > If I am correct then we may predict that marriage will not take > place in future also. > > Ma is very powerful in WS but being 6th lord it is helpless. > > What do u say, " Is marriage expected in current running Mo antara ? " > > My answer is NO. What is your answer ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > Just for your study purposes, just cast the chart of 11:30 instead of > > 10:30 and see :-). > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup,Satish and all, > > > As I had earlier intimated the forum that this chart was picked up > > from the other forum. The author requested to know his marriage timing > > being still unmarried. > > > When I casted this chart and I found peculiarity that how the > > native is still unmarried as against this chart. > > > I put forth this chart before you people to find out the reason if > > any. > > > I do not know anything about the native so I am unable to say > > anything about him. > > > I assumed he might be still unmarried. > > > The reasoning of Ash and Anup is convincing. > > > Certain following points I would like to add. Probably these may > > be the reason for becoming not yet married. > > > According to one of the lesson, the 4th lord is in 3rd alongwith > > 3rd lord indicating his mental behaviour and psychology. > > > The 6th lord Ju aspects 7th, 9th and 11th house.Ju also aspects LoC. > > > Ju is in the navamsa of Ma and conjoins Ve the NK of 7th. > > > The diff. in SAV between lagna and its 7th is more than the normal. > > > Ve and Mo comes under the sight of Sa in rasi and navamsa too. > > > Both the luminaries are under the grip of Ra/Ke. > > > Lagna lord Ve is afflicted by the aspect of Sa and Ra and > > conjoining Ju and Ke. > > > Thus his body, soul and mind all are improper. > > > The native might not be interested in marriage earlier. > > > I think the following antara of Ma also may not fructify.Otherwise > > this antara might have given marriage during Sa MD. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I forgot to mention that Guru in this case is not just > > > in rashi sandhi but is in the rashi sandhi of > > > water/fire sign i.e. gandanta. So that will make it > > > weak as well as unauspicious. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your mail. Yes, just for your > > > > knowledge, in the > > > > detailed portion of KAS also we use our own Bhav > > > > Chalit, with hour own > > > > KAS House system is what I call it, nadis etc, but > > > > that again is not > > > > linked to timing of events (it might affect only say > > > > 1% of the charts) > > > > so Krushanji has never spoken about it on this list. > > > > That might > > > > create a lot of confusion, but suffice to say that > > > > its all there in > > > > this whole system of KAS. > > > > However, we in KAS still do not say that if a planet > > > > is away from the > > > > starting bhav degrees (or bhav madhya) as you say, > > > > it becomes weak. > > > > > > > > In any case, this is for your info. > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > The strengths and weakness as per VA is a strange > > > > > animal. How one measures strength > > > > > > > > > > Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, such > > > > as > > > > > sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, etc. > > > > > > > > > > Then there is vimshopak bala ( I have not > > > > understood > > > > > this much, the application of it) > > > > > > > > > > Varga bala is divisional strength. > > > > > > > > > > Then there are avasthas etc. its a compoundium of > > > > > confusion in my opinion as per application goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason I said it was weak is two fold, any > > > > graha > > > > > in rashi sandhi, I have found to be weak. Some > > > > systems > > > > > who use cusps, treat planets near the cusp or the > > > > > bhava madhya to be strong and weaken as they move > > > > away > > > > > from it. Secondly, Guru here is in Mool nakshatra > > > > ( A > > > > > malefic nakshatra). Thirdly it is with retro shani > > > > and > > > > > aspected by mangal. Also it is not in the visible > > > > half > > > > > of the zodiac. Guru's aspect in a static model > > > > should > > > > > be benefic, but here it is weak for the reasons I > > > > > mentioned. Yes there are some strengths as well, > > > > in > > > > > its own sign. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Guru weak? What is the logic behind the > > > > > > theory of infancy as > > > > > > per VA, can you talk a bit on it on why is a > > > > planet > > > > > > considered weak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of my thoughts, infact I say that this Guru > > > > at > > > > > > 1 Sag 44 (check > > > > > > your ayanamsa) is powerful for the following > > > > reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru is in its own sign in Mool trikon and its > > > > in > > > > > > its mool trikon in 8 > > > > > > D charts (7 charts its in mool trikon and in > > > > > > shastianamsa its in > > > > > > pisces) and only in Bhamsa its in neecha sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would you consider this Ju weak? As 6th > > > > lord > > > > > > its even more > > > > > > powerful so it can do more damage due to its > > > > aspect > > > > > > but that is a > > > > > > different issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact, if Ju was at 0 deg Sag, then Ju will be > > > > in > > > > > > its MT in 10 D > > > > > > charts i.e Rasi,d3,d4,d7,d10,d12,d16,d27,d45 and > > > > > > d60. > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish, do u know or is there any reason why Ju > > > > > > would be considered > > > > > > weak in early degrees (infancy). > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, here what I am saying might be slightly > > > > > > different from the > > > > > > generally accepted norms and hence my question > > > > to > > > > > > understand in depth > > > > > > on why in General VA its said that a planet > > > > might be > > > > > > weak in very > > > > > > early degrees? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes we need to know more about the native. As > > > > ash > > > > > > has > > > > > > > mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we go through + and - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) > > > > > > > Karaka shukra debilited (-) > > > > > > > seventh lord in 8th (-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and > > > > sun > > > > > > (-,-) > > > > > > > aspected by mangal(-) > > > > > > > Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra > > > > (+,+) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo > > > > > > > aspected by managal and with shani so may not > > > > > > offer > > > > > > > much protection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is > > > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > > Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from > > > > upapada > > > > > > and > > > > > > > with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord > > > > from > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is > > > > > > debilited > > > > > > > and in 8th from chandra (-,-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > We need to get more events for this chart. > > > > As > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > this data, this > > > > > > > > person must have love marriage or might love > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > very much. What > > > > > > > > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 12th house from > > > > > > > > the house they own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > > > > > > > > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > > > > > > > > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > house or u can say > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ________Fussy? > > Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel > > and lay it on us. > > http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to > > download CHAT? Here's a solution! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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