Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Ash, and All, This American lady is now 59 years old. Her birth details: January 9, 1948 8:30 p.m. Clarkesville, GA, USA 83 W 32 34 N 37 Lagna: Leo 2:41 SaR - 28:21 12 th house (Cancer) MarR - 14:28 1 st house (Leo) Ve - 27:00 6 th house (Capricorn) Ra - 28:53 9 th house (Aries) Ju 23:56 4 th house (Scorpio) Mo 11:51 5 th house (Sagittarius) Su 25:36 5 th house Me 29:37 5th house She married at age of 18 and remained in her marriage for 19-20 years. It was her choice to end the marriage (by divorce) --- her husband was devastated! She has remained unmarried for past 20 years. Is there possibility for marriage . . . . ever???? .. Can anyone explain the following event? Several months just prior to the " legal separation " there was a traumatic event in the marriage in April, 1985 that involved gun shots (no injuries) and overnight incarceration of husband and subsequent transfer of him to short stay in mental hospital. Marriage ended legally August 23, 1985. Her most successful area of life has been her children. Will provide additional info if the group has interest . . . . Thanks, Joy - ramesh mishra Friday, May 25, 2007 12:31 AM [sPAM] Re: Re:Very strange chart Dear Ash and all, Here is one more chart of a male native who is still unmarried and passing his 47 th year as bachelor.His birth details are- DOB- 29 Dec 1967, TOB- 17:23 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E 13 India. The native is a central govt.employee and not interested in marriage due to some domestic problem. You may compare this chart with that of earlier native. In this chart 6th lord is Ma who aspects house/lords A, B and C. NK Ve is in 6th and FK Mo is also in 6th. There is no delay by Sa but delay is due to Ju. My point is that whenever 6th lord influences house or lords of A, B and C then marriage is either very late or sometime it denies also. I had one more chart of similar status but I think I have deleted that from my file. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, When marriage is very delayed, then if opportunity comes and if one person is ready he or she might accept it. Such marriage might be an adjustment. Here also u must study the psychology, if the native is not willing to compromise or " wants something in a very particular way " then such things might work out. So u must study the overall make up of the native himself. This chart, is taken from another list by yourself, if the native is saying that the chart is right, then I will say, that I am not confident due to the absence of past event. Timing of event without proper feedback might not be proper for me to do. So in this mail, I am just giving you some guidance on how to see such delayed marriages. I hope it helps, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > Thanks for help.Taking birth time 11:30 A.M., the scenario of chart changes completely and delay is obtained both by Sa and Ju. > This combined delay was over on 07 Jan 85 during Sa-Me. > Ma is now 6th lord who influences house/ lord A, B and C. > Ma is influencing all the 8 planets by aspect or conjunction and he himself is 9th. > Ma as 6th lord is in 7th. > Ma did not permit any antara planet to give the event. > If I am correct then we may predict that marriage will not take place in future also. > Ma is very powerful in WS but being 6th lord it is helpless. > What do u say, " Is marriage expected in current running Mo antara ? " > My answer is NO. What is your answer ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > Just for your study purposes, just cast the chart of 11:30 instead of > 10:30 and see :-). > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, Anup,Satish and all, > > As I had earlier intimated the forum that this chart was picked up > from the other forum. The author requested to know his marriage timing > being still unmarried. > > When I casted this chart and I found peculiarity that how the > native is still unmarried as against this chart. > > I put forth this chart before you people to find out the reason if > any. > > I do not know anything about the native so I am unable to say > anything about him. > > I assumed he might be still unmarried. > > The reasoning of Ash and Anup is convincing. > > Certain following points I would like to add. Probably these may > be the reason for becoming not yet married. > > According to one of the lesson, the 4th lord is in 3rd alongwith > 3rd lord indicating his mental behaviour and psychology. > > The 6th lord Ju aspects 7th, 9th and 11th house.Ju also aspects LoC. > > Ju is in the navamsa of Ma and conjoins Ve the NK of 7th. > > The diff. in SAV between lagna and its 7th is more than the normal. > > Ve and Mo comes under the sight of Sa in rasi and navamsa too. > > Both the luminaries are under the grip of Ra/Ke. > > Lagna lord Ve is afflicted by the aspect of Sa and Ra and > conjoining Ju and Ke. > > Thus his body, soul and mind all are improper. > > The native might not be interested in marriage earlier. > > I think the following antara of Ma also may not fructify.Otherwise > this antara might have given marriage during Sa MD. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > I forgot to mention that Guru in this case is not just > > in rashi sandhi but is in the rashi sandhi of > > water/fire sign i.e. gandanta. So that will make it > > weak as well as unauspicious. > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Thank you for your mail. Yes, just for your > > > knowledge, in the > > > detailed portion of KAS also we use our own Bhav > > > Chalit, with hour own > > > KAS House system is what I call it, nadis etc, but > > > that again is not > > > linked to timing of events (it might affect only say > > > 1% of the charts) > > > so Krushanji has never spoken about it on this list. > > > That might > > > create a lot of confusion, but suffice to say that > > > its all there in > > > this whole system of KAS. > > > However, we in KAS still do not say that if a planet > > > is away from the > > > starting bhav degrees (or bhav madhya) as you say, > > > it becomes weak. > > > > > > In any case, this is for your info. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > The strengths and weakness as per VA is a strange > > > > animal. How one measures strength > > > > > > > > Shadbala,This folds in 6 areas of strength, such > > > as > > > > sthaan bala, dik bala, directional strength, etc. > > > > > > > > Then there is vimshopak bala ( I have not > > > understood > > > > this much, the application of it) > > > > > > > > Varga bala is divisional strength. > > > > > > > > Then there are avasthas etc. its a compoundium of > > > > confusion in my opinion as per application goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason I said it was weak is two fold, any > > > graha > > > > in rashi sandhi, I have found to be weak. Some > > > systems > > > > who use cusps, treat planets near the cusp or the > > > > bhava madhya to be strong and weaken as they move > > > away > > > > from it. Secondly, Guru here is in Mool nakshatra > > > ( A > > > > malefic nakshatra). Thirdly it is with retro shani > > > and > > > > aspected by mangal. Also it is not in the visible > > > half > > > > of the zodiac. Guru's aspect in a static model > > > should > > > > be benefic, but here it is weak for the reasons I > > > > mentioned. Yes there are some strengths as well, > > > in > > > > its own sign. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > How is Guru weak? What is the logic behind the > > > > > theory of infancy as > > > > > per VA, can you talk a bit on it on why is a > > > planet > > > > > considered weak. > > > > > > > > > > Some of my thoughts, infact I say that this Guru > > > at > > > > > 1 Sag 44 (check > > > > > your ayanamsa) is powerful for the following > > > reason. > > > > > > > > > > Guru is in its own sign in Mool trikon and its > > > in > > > > > its mool trikon in 8 > > > > > D charts (7 charts its in mool trikon and in > > > > > shastianamsa its in > > > > > pisces) and only in Bhamsa its in neecha sign. > > > > > > > > > > Why would you consider this Ju weak? As 6th > > > lord > > > > > its even more > > > > > powerful so it can do more damage due to its > > > aspect > > > > > but that is a > > > > > different issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact, if Ju was at 0 deg Sag, then Ju will be > > > in > > > > > its MT in 10 D > > > > > charts i.e Rasi,d3,d4,d7,d10,d12,d16,d27,d45 and > > > > > d60. > > > > > > > > > > Satish, do u know or is there any reason why Ju > > > > > would be considered > > > > > weak in early degrees (infancy). > > > > > > > > > > Yes, here what I am saying might be slightly > > > > > different from the > > > > > generally accepted norms and hence my question > > > to > > > > > understand in depth > > > > > on why in General VA its said that a planet > > > might be > > > > > weak in very > > > > > early degrees? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes we need to know more about the native. As > > > ash > > > > > has > > > > > > mentioned 3 house lords are 12 th from the > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we go through + and - > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna lord in 12th debilited (-) > > > > > > Karaka shukra debilited (-) > > > > > > seventh lord in 8th (-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon with ketu (-) aspected by shani(-) > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house from chandra afflicted by rahu and > > > sun > > > > > (-,-) > > > > > > aspected by mangal(-) > > > > > > Karaka shukra aspected by retro shani (-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru aspects both 7th from lagna and chandra > > > (+,+) > > > > > > > > > > > > However guru is weak 0 degrres 50 minutes aslo > > > > > > aspected by managal and with shani so may not > > > > > offer > > > > > > much protection. > > > > > > > > > > > > Upapada is in karka and 2nd from upapaa is > > > > > afflicted. > > > > > > Lord of upapada , chandra is in 8th from > > > upapada > > > > > and > > > > > > with ketu and aspectd by shani (-,-,-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many negatives. On top of this 9th lord > > > from > > > > > lagna > > > > > > budh is afflicted . 9th lord from chandra is > > > > > debilited > > > > > > and in 8th from chandra (-,-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > We need to get more events for this chart. > > > As > > > > > per > > > > > > > this data, this > > > > > > > person must have love marriage or might love > > > > > someone > > > > > > > very much. What > > > > > > > is his career? Here 3 house lords have gone > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > 12th house from > > > > > > > the house they own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is 4th lord and in 3rd > > > > > > > Ve is 1st lord in 12th > > > > > > > Me is 12th lord in 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 8th house, 12th from 8th lord Mars is in > > > 8th > > > > > > > house or u can say > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > ________Fussy? > Opinionated? 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Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Hi, The lagna is on the border line. Was the marriage to a person older than her by 5-7 years or it was with a person about the same age as her ? 2. Did the native separate from father when she was young ? Around year 1955 ? 3.Are the children boys ? or girl and a boy ? Thanks Satish --- Joyce Collins <joycecollins wrote: > > > Dear Ramesh, Ash, and All, > > This American lady is now 59 years old. > > Her birth details: January 9, 1948 8:30 p.m. > Clarkesville, GA, USA 83 W 32 34 N 37 > > Lagna: Leo 2:41 > SaR - 28:21 12 th house (Cancer) > MarR - 14:28 1 st house (Leo) > Ve - 27:00 6 th house (Capricorn) > Ra - 28:53 9 th house (Aries) > Ju 23:56 4 th house (Scorpio) > Mo 11:51 5 th house (Sagittarius) > Su 25:36 5 th house > Me 29:37 5th house > > She married at age of 18 and remained in her > marriage for 19-20 years. > It was her choice to end the marriage (by divorce) > --- her husband was > devastated! > > She has remained unmarried for past 20 years. Is > there possibility for > marriage . . . . ever???? > . > Can anyone explain the following event? > Several months just prior to the " legal separation " > there was a traumatic event in the marriage in > April, 1985 that > involved gun shots (no injuries) and overnight > incarceration of husband > and subsequent transfer of him to short stay in > mental hospital. > > Marriage ended legally August 23, 1985. > > Her most successful area of life has been her > children. > > Will provide additional info if the group has > interest . . . . > Thanks, > Joy > > - > ramesh mishra > > Friday, May 25, 2007 12:31 AM > [sPAM] Re: > Re:Very strange chart > > > Dear Ash and all, > Here is one more chart of a male native who is > still unmarried and passing > his 47 th year as bachelor.His birth details are- > DOB- 29 Dec 1967, TOB- 17:23 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E > 13 India. > The native is a central govt.employee and not > interested in marriage due > to some domestic problem. > You may compare this chart with that of earlier > native. > In this chart 6th lord is Ma who aspects > house/lords A, B and C. > NK Ve is in 6th and FK Mo is also in 6th. > There is no delay by Sa but delay is due to Ju. > My point is that whenever 6th lord influences > house or lords of A, B and C > then marriage is either very late or sometime it > denies also. > I had one more chart of similar status but I think > I have deleted that > from my file. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > When marriage is very delayed, then if opportunity > comes and if one > person is ready he or she might accept it. Such > marriage might be an > adjustment. Here also u must study the psychology, > if the native is > not willing to compromise or " wants something in a > very particular > way " then such things might work out. So u must > study the overall > make up of the native himself. > > This chart, is taken from another list by > yourself, if the native is > saying that the chart is right, then I will say, > that I am not > confident due to the absence of past event. > > Timing of event without proper feedback might not > be proper for me to > do. So in this mail, I am just giving you some > guidance on how to see > such delayed marriages. > > I hope it helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , > ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for help.Taking birth time 11:30 A.M., > the scenario of > chart changes completely and delay is obtained > both by Sa and Ju. > > This combined delay was over on 07 Jan 85 during > Sa-Me. > > Ma is now 6th lord who influences house/ lord A, > B and C. > > Ma is influencing all the 8 planets by aspect or > conjunction and > he himself is 9th. > > Ma as 6th lord is in 7th. > > Ma did not permit any antara planet to give the > event. > > If I am correct then we may predict that > marriage will not take > place in future also. > > Ma is very powerful in WS but being 6th lord it > is helpless. > > What do u say, " Is marriage expected in current > running Mo antara ? " > > My answer is NO. What is your answer ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > Just for your study purposes, just cast the > chart of 11:30 instead of > > 10:30 and see :-). > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup,Satish and all, > > > As I had earlier intimated the forum that this > chart was picked up > > from the other forum. The author requested to > know his marriage timing > > being still unmarried. > > > When I casted this chart and I found > peculiarity that how the > > native is still unmarried as against this chart. > > > I put forth this chart before you people to > find out the reason if > > any. > > > I do not know anything about the native so I > am unable to say > > anything about him. > > > I assumed he might be still unmarried. > > > The reasoning of Ash and Anup is convincing. > > > Certain following points I would like to add. > Probably these may > > be the reason for becoming not yet married. > > > According to one of the lesson, the 4th lord > is in 3rd alongwith > > 3rd lord indicating his mental behaviour and > psychology. > > > The 6th lord Ju aspects 7th, 9th and 11th > house.Ju also aspects LoC. > > > Ju is in the navamsa of Ma and conjoins Ve the > NK of 7th. > > > The diff. in SAV between lagna and its 7th is > more than the normal. > > > Ve and Mo comes under the sight of Sa in rasi > and navamsa too. > > > Both the luminaries are under the grip of > Ra/Ke. > > > Lagna lord Ve is afflicted by the aspect of Sa > and Ra and > > conjoining Ju and Ke. > > > Thus his body, soul and mind all are improper. > > > The native might not be interested in marriage > earlier. > > > I think the following antara of Ma also may > not fructify.Otherwise > > this antara might have given marriage during Sa > MD. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Don't pick lemons. 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Guest guest Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 Hi, Satish, 1. Yes the husband was the husbands was 4.25 years older (his birth time is October 17,, 1943, no time available . . . ). He had just graduated from university with engineering degree and she was just beginning her university at the time of the marriage. 2. No separation from father. Maternal grandfather died around the year 1955. 3. The children are: daughter born on Oct 8, 1967, daughter born on Feb 18, 1969 and son born on April 28, 1971. Thanks, Joy - SPK Friday, May 25, 2007 1:55 PM [sPAM] Re: Re: Another marriage chart Hi, The lagna is on the border line. Was the marriage to a person older than her by 5-7 years or it was with a person about the same age as her ? 2. Did the native separate from father when she was young ? Around year 1955 ? 3.Are the children boys ? or girl and a boy ? Thanks Satish --- Joyce Collins <joycecollins wrote: > > > Dear Ramesh, Ash, and All, > > This American lady is now 59 years old. > > Her birth details: January 9, 1948 8:30 p.m. > Clarkesville, GA, USA 83 W 32 34 N 37 > > Lagna: Leo 2:41 > SaR - 28:21 12 th house (Cancer) > MarR - 14:28 1 st house (Leo) > Ve - 27:00 6 th house (Capricorn) > Ra - 28:53 9 th house (Aries) > Ju 23:56 4 th house (Scorpio) > Mo 11:51 5 th house (Sagittarius) > Su 25:36 5 th house > Me 29:37 5th house > > She married at age of 18 and remained in her > marriage for 19-20 years. > It was her choice to end the marriage (by divorce) > --- her husband was > devastated! > > She has remained unmarried for past 20 years. Is > there possibility for > marriage . . . . ever???? > . > Can anyone explain the following event? > Several months just prior to the " legal separation " > there was a traumatic event in the marriage in > April, 1985 that > involved gun shots (no injuries) and overnight > incarceration of husband > and subsequent transfer of him to short stay in > mental hospital. > > Marriage ended legally August 23, 1985. > > Her most successful area of life has been her > children. > > Will provide additional info if the group has > interest . . . . > Thanks, > Joy > > - > ramesh mishra > > Friday, May 25, 2007 12:31 AM > [sPAM] Re: > Re:Very strange chart > > > Dear Ash and all, > Here is one more chart of a male native who is > still unmarried and passing > his 47 th year as bachelor.His birth details are- > DOB- 29 Dec 1967, TOB- 17:23 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E > 13 India. > The native is a central govt.employee and not > interested in marriage due > to some domestic problem. > You may compare this chart with that of earlier > native. > In this chart 6th lord is Ma who aspects > house/lords A, B and C. > NK Ve is in 6th and FK Mo is also in 6th. > There is no delay by Sa but delay is due to Ju. > My point is that whenever 6th lord influences > house or lords of A, B and C > then marriage is either very late or sometime it > denies also. > I had one more chart of similar status but I think > I have deleted that > from my file. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > When marriage is very delayed, then if opportunity > comes and if one > person is ready he or she might accept it. Such > marriage might be an > adjustment. Here also u must study the psychology, > if the native is > not willing to compromise or " wants something in a > very particular > way " then such things might work out. So u must > study the overall > make up of the native himself. > > This chart, is taken from another list by > yourself, if the native is > saying that the chart is right, then I will say, > that I am not > confident due to the absence of past event. > > Timing of event without proper feedback might not > be proper for me to > do. So in this mail, I am just giving you some > guidance on how to see > such delayed marriages. > > I hope it helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , > ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for help.Taking birth time 11:30 A.M., > the scenario of > chart changes completely and delay is obtained > both by Sa and Ju. > > This combined delay was over on 07 Jan 85 during > Sa-Me. > > Ma is now 6th lord who influences house/ lord A, > B and C. > > Ma is influencing all the 8 planets by aspect or > conjunction and > he himself is 9th. > > Ma as 6th lord is in 7th. > > Ma did not permit any antara planet to give the > event. > > If I am correct then we may predict that > marriage will not take > place in future also. > > Ma is very powerful in WS but being 6th lord it > is helpless. > > What do u say, " Is marriage expected in current > running Mo antara ? " > > My answer is NO. What is your answer ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > Just for your study purposes, just cast the > chart of 11:30 instead of > > 10:30 and see :-). > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup,Satish and all, > > > As I had earlier intimated the forum that this > chart was picked up > > from the other forum. The author requested to > know his marriage timing > > being still unmarried. > > > When I casted this chart and I found > peculiarity that how the > > native is still unmarried as against this chart. > > > I put forth this chart before you people to > find out the reason if > > any. > > > I do not know anything about the native so I > am unable to say > > anything about him. > > > I assumed he might be still unmarried. > > > The reasoning of Ash and Anup is convincing. > > > Certain following points I would like to add. > Probably these may > > be the reason for becoming not yet married. > > > According to one of the lesson, the 4th lord > is in 3rd alongwith > > 3rd lord indicating his mental behaviour and > psychology. > > > The 6th lord Ju aspects 7th, 9th and 11th > house.Ju also aspects LoC. > > > Ju is in the navamsa of Ma and conjoins Ve the > NK of 7th. > > > The diff. in SAV between lagna and its 7th is > more than the normal. > > > Ve and Mo comes under the sight of Sa in rasi > and navamsa too. > > > Both the luminaries are under the grip of > Ra/Ke. > > > Lagna lord Ve is afflicted by the aspect of Sa > and Ra and > > conjoining Ju and Ke. > > > Thus his body, soul and mind all are improper. > > > The native might not be interested in marriage > earlier. > > > I think the following antara of Ma also may > not fructify.Otherwise > > this antara might have given marriage during Sa > MD. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > === message truncated === ________ Don't pick lemons. 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