facts on case 14952: Questions on delay

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Dear Ash,

 

This chart brings to forfront some of the nuances of

the laws of delay

 

1. We say there is full saturn delay, because saturn

aspects C, LoB. It is situated in house A which is not

delay. But it aspects LOA in navansha.

 

I have an logical/intellectual objection to using

aspects in amshas, even navansha. As it would violate

the astronomical rules. If we take aspects on lords in

navansha, then say, saturn at 2 degrees areies will

aspect a planet in 2 degrees of taurus in navamsha (

Saturn will be in areis navansha and the planet in

taurus will be in makar navansha. Now this does not

jive with astronomy.

 

2. Secondly the jupiter delay in the chart is beacuse

gupiter aspects house B and is WITH loA, moon. Now can

we say that jupiter aspects moon in this case as it is

with him ? If we can not say that then there is no

jupiter delay, if jupiter being with LoA qualifies as

aspect on LoA then a case could be made for jupiter

delay.

 

Thanks

 

Satish

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Dear Satish,

 

Sa is in House A, It aspects House C and Ju who is LoB so there is

full delay due to Saturn.

 

No, we cannot mix rasi house aspect and navasma like what u have done

here. i.e. u said Sa aspects House A in navamsa.

 

Ok, let me try once again to explain.

 

Take Rasi first and check If Sa aspects LoA or House A, LoB or House B

and LoC or House C. So if in Rasi itself its having its influence on

any 3 lords or house then there is full delay due to Saturn.

 

If Sa is located in House A or B or C we are taking that 1 house is

affected.

 

Take the chart in discussion. Sa is In House A so House A is

affected, then its aspecting House C and Ju is in House C so Sa is

aspecting Ju who is LoB. So Here House A, B and LoC but all 3 are

affected by Saturn so there is full delay.

 

Next

 

Now assume that Gemini is lagna so LoA is Mo, LoC is Ma and LoB is Ju.

 

Now assume that Sa is not aspecting House ABC or their lords i.e. Mo,

Ma and Ju in Rasi so we check the LORDS OF RASI I.E. MO, JU AND MA and

see if SATURN ASPECTS THEM IN NAVAMSA. So now say, Saturn is

aspecting or CONJOINING Mo, Ju and Ma in Navamsa then also there is

full delay.

 

Next Case

 

We do not check LORDS OF NAVAMSA means for example say Gemini is

rising and Scorpio is navamsa lagna.

 

So navamsa LoA, LoB and LoC are Ju, Ve and Me. Now here we do not

check if Saturn is aspecting Ju, Ve and Me in navamsa.

 

So as per KAS we do not take lords of Navamsa but only house.

 

So Sa in 5th house in navamsa will aspect House A, B and C so there

will be full delay.

 

Atleast that is my understanding this far.

 

Now you say that u dont take aspects in D charts, actually just study

all the D charts leaving aside Navamsa. In the calculation of WS for

D charts we just take A+B+C house strength i.e. the first portion of

H1 to H12 eh.

 

So it means we do not consider aspect strength transfer in D charts

nor 4:10.

 

Now Navamsa is different. Here we give equal status as Rasi so it

means that we are finding SD from it. Say if 2 planets are in exact

5:9 they also come together in navamasa so that way they become

samdharmi. But when calculating the strength in Navamsa we are taking

power of only A+B+C house. That you can see in the D-Charts worksheet

where we find the power of planets in D charts.

 

So I think KAS system covers all this.

 

So power of planets is from Rasi and the WS of Rasi for timing of

events.

 

Then we also check aspects of lords of Rasi ABC i.e .LoA LoB and LoC

and the aspect of Saturn in Navamsa so Navamsa is given importance and

thirdly in navamsa only house is taken.

 

Actually if u see how SAV is distributed then we are going by house so

say Sun if in 1st house will distribute the points from 1st house to

12th house similarly for other planets too.

 

So we are not taking lords in Navamsa as per your email but we are

seeing the aspect of lords of Rasi i.e LoA, LoB and LoC OF RASI and

the aspect of Sa on it in navamsa but we are not seeing nLoA, nLoB and

nLoC and Sa's aspect of that in navmsa (nLo = navamsa Lord of).

 

I hope this subtle distinction is clear.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> This chart brings to forfront some of the nuances of

> the laws of delay

>

> 1. We say there is full saturn delay, because saturn

> aspects C, LoB. It is situated in house A which is not

> delay. But it aspects LOA in navansha.

>

> I have an logical/intellectual objection to using

> aspects in amshas, even navansha. As it would violate

> the astronomical rules. If we take aspects on lords in

> navansha, then say, saturn at 2 degrees areies will

> aspect a planet in 2 degrees of taurus in navamsha (

> Saturn will be in areis navansha and the planet in

> taurus will be in makar navansha. Now this does not

> jive with astronomy.

>

> 2. Secondly the jupiter delay in the chart is beacuse

> gupiter aspects house B and is WITH loA, moon. Now can

> we say that jupiter aspects moon in this case as it is

> with him ? If we can not say that then there is no

> jupiter delay, if jupiter being with LoA qualifies as

> aspect on LoA then a case could be made for jupiter

> delay.

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

> --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Satish,

 

Let me address your second question in this email so that both

questions are separated.

 

Jupiter's delay is not like saturn. Now keep in mind that Krushanji

has still not given a lesson on that. I have asked him and he has

told me to first practice on many charts so he must have a reason for

making us work this hard before he gives so he must want us to find

something.

 

Let me share the basic law that is give which I think everyone knows.

 

Jupiter when it aspects House A and LoB or House B or LoA or the lords

of LoA and LoB of Rasi in Navamsa then Ju causes delay.

 

Now there is a difference too. Saturn is a natural malefic and

Jupiter is a natural benefic.

 

Jupiter is also natural 9th lord or he is the natural 9th lord and we

are giving 9th house importance via blessings as well.

 

In some cases if blessings are powerful then it can remove all delays.

 

So finding Ju's delay is not straight forward as that of Saturn.

 

Just think, if the natural 9th lord itself is giving delay then? Its

like the father tells his daughter to study further there by

automatically causing delay as she might not want to marry then....

this is just as an analogy.

 

Now in this case, Jupiter is in 11th house and its with 6 bindus and

so its aspecting 7th house malefically and at the same time its also

casting its aspect on Moon who is LoB.

 

So in this case, Jupiter is affecting both House A and LoB and that

too malefically. So here Ju will cause delay.

 

So in this case there will be full delay of Saturn and also that of

Jupiter.

 

Now another thing, just think, all the laws are given keeping in mind

India. So were Legal age to marry is 21 for male and 18 for female so

full delay of Saturn will be 7.5 years assume Sa is at 0 deg.

 

So we are saying delay of Saturn is over at 27.5 years and there after

delay of Ju starts.

 

Now what if in some towns or in some communities there is early

marriage at age of 12-13 etc then in that case the full delay might

not be 27.5 years ? Then what is full delay?

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> This chart brings to forfront some of the nuances of

> the laws of delay

>

> 1. We say there is full saturn delay, because saturn

> aspects C, LoB. It is situated in house A which is not

> delay. But it aspects LOA in navansha.

>

> I have an logical/intellectual objection to using

> aspects in amshas, even navansha. As it would violate

> the astronomical rules. If we take aspects on lords in

> navansha, then say, saturn at 2 degrees areies will

> aspect a planet in 2 degrees of taurus in navamsha (

> Saturn will be in areis navansha and the planet in

> taurus will be in makar navansha. Now this does not

> jive with astronomy.

>

> 2. Secondly the jupiter delay in the chart is beacuse

> gupiter aspects house B and is WITH loA, moon. Now can

> we say that jupiter aspects moon in this case as it is

> with him ? If we can not say that then there is no

> jupiter delay, if jupiter being with LoA qualifies as

> aspect on LoA then a case could be made for jupiter

> delay.

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

> --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Ash,

 

Thanks. I was not referring to lords in navansha. I

was referring to lords of rashi in navansha. As an

example if saturn in at 2 degree of aries and lets say

LoB is at 2 degrees of taurus. Then in navansha saturn

will aspect LoB of rashi chart, as saturn will be in

mesh navansha and LoB will be makar navansha. I have a

fundamental disagrrement with this as to me

astronomically it makes no sense.

 

The other part you have explained and residence in

house A/B or C will be taken a s affecting house

A/B/C. That was althougha logical extention was not

explicitly clear. So saturn in house A lets say and

aslo aspecting B/LoB, C/LoC will cause full delay,

however if Saturn only aspects LoB and LoC and not the

houses can qualify to give the event after the delay

is over as it does not aspect house B or C and resides

in A but not aspect A...Is this correct ?

 

Satish

--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

 

> Dear Satish,

>

> Sa is in House A, It aspects House C and Ju who is

> LoB so there is

> full delay due to Saturn.

>

> No, we cannot mix rasi house aspect and navasma like

> what u have done

> here. i.e. u said Sa aspects House A in navamsa.

>

> Ok, let me try once again to explain.

>

> Take Rasi first and check If Sa aspects LoA or House

> A, LoB or House B

> and LoC or House C. So if in Rasi itself its having

> its influence on

> any 3 lords or house then there is full delay due to

> Saturn.

>

> If Sa is located in House A or B or C we are taking

> that 1 house is

> affected.

>

> Take the chart in discussion. Sa is In House A so

> House A is

> affected, then its aspecting House C and Ju is in

> House C so Sa is

> aspecting Ju who is LoB. So Here House A, B and LoC

> but all 3 are

> affected by Saturn so there is full delay.

>

> Next

>

> Now assume that Gemini is lagna so LoA is Mo, LoC is

> Ma and LoB is Ju.

>

> Now assume that Sa is not aspecting House ABC or

> their lords i.e. Mo,

> Ma and Ju in Rasi so we check the LORDS OF RASI I.E.

> MO, JU AND MA and

> see if SATURN ASPECTS THEM IN NAVAMSA. So now say,

> Saturn is

> aspecting or CONJOINING Mo, Ju and Ma in Navamsa

> then also there is

> full delay.

>

> Next Case

>

> We do not check LORDS OF NAVAMSA means for example

> say Gemini is

> rising and Scorpio is navamsa lagna.

>

> So navamsa LoA, LoB and LoC are Ju, Ve and Me. Now

> here we do not

> check if Saturn is aspecting Ju, Ve and Me in

> navamsa.

>

> So as per KAS we do not take lords of Navamsa but

> only house.

>

> So Sa in 5th house in navamsa will aspect House A, B

> and C so there

> will be full delay.

>

> Atleast that is my understanding this far.

>

> Now you say that u dont take aspects in D charts,

> actually just study

> all the D charts leaving aside Navamsa. In the

> calculation of WS for

> D charts we just take A+B+C house strength i.e. the

> first portion of

> H1 to H12 eh.

>

> So it means we do not consider aspect strength

> transfer in D charts

> nor 4:10.

>

> Now Navamsa is different. Here we give equal status

> as Rasi so it

> means that we are finding SD from it. Say if 2

> planets are in exact

> 5:9 they also come together in navamasa so that way

> they become

> samdharmi. But when calculating the strength in

> Navamsa we are taking

> power of only A+B+C house. That you can see in the

> D-Charts worksheet

> where we find the power of planets in D charts.

>

> So I think KAS system covers all this.

>

> So power of planets is from Rasi and the WS of Rasi

> for timing of

> events.

>

> Then we also check aspects of lords of Rasi ABC i.e

> .LoA LoB and LoC

> and the aspect of Saturn in Navamsa so Navamsa is

> given importance and

> thirdly in navamsa only house is taken.

>

> Actually if u see how SAV is distributed then we are

> going by house so

> say Sun if in 1st house will distribute the points

> from 1st house to

> 12th house similarly for other planets too.

>

> So we are not taking lords in Navamsa as per your

> email but we are

> seeing the aspect of lords of Rasi i.e LoA, LoB and

> LoC OF RASI and

> the aspect of Sa on it in navamsa but we are not

> seeing nLoA, nLoB and

> nLoC and Sa's aspect of that in navmsa (nLo =

> navamsa Lord of).

>

> I hope this subtle distinction is clear.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

>

>

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > This chart brings to forfront some of the nuances

> of

> > the laws of delay

> >

> > 1. We say there is full saturn delay, because

> saturn

> > aspects C, LoB. It is situated in house A which is

> not

> > delay. But it aspects LOA in navansha.

> >

> > I have an logical/intellectual objection to using

> > aspects in amshas, even navansha. As it would

> violate

> > the astronomical rules. If we take aspects on

> lords in

> > navansha, then say, saturn at 2 degrees areies

> will

> > aspect a planet in 2 degrees of taurus in navamsha

> (

> > Saturn will be in areis navansha and the planet in

> > taurus will be in makar navansha. Now this does

> not

> > jive with astronomy.

> >

> > 2. Secondly the jupiter delay in the chart is

> beacuse

> > gupiter aspects house B and is WITH loA, moon. Now

> can

> > we say that jupiter aspects moon in this case as

> it is

> > with him ? If we can not say that then there is no

> > jupiter delay, if jupiter being with LoA qualifies

> as

> > aspect on LoA then a case could be made for

> jupiter

> > delay.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Satish

> > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Ash,

 

>>

So in this case, Jupiter is affecting both House A and

LoB and that

too malefically. So here Ju will cause delay.

 

>>

 

Juiter is with moon so that will count as affecting

moon the LoB. Now it will aspect malefically house B,

but not Moon , the LoA as it is with moon and jupiter

will be benefic for the place he is in as it has 7

points. Is this correct ?

 

Thanks

 

Satish

--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

 

> Dear Satish,

>

> Let me address your second question in this email so

> that both

> questions are separated.

>

> Jupiter's delay is not like saturn. Now keep in

> mind that Krushanji

> has still not given a lesson on that. I have asked

> him and he has

> told me to first practice on many charts so he must

> have a reason for

> making us work this hard before he gives so he must

> want us to find

> something.

>

> Let me share the basic law that is give which I

> think everyone knows.

>

> Jupiter when it aspects House A and LoB or House B

> or LoA or the lords

> of LoA and LoB of Rasi in Navamsa then Ju causes

> delay.

>

> Now there is a difference too. Saturn is a natural

> malefic and

> Jupiter is a natural benefic.

>

> Jupiter is also natural 9th lord or he is the

> natural 9th lord and we

> are giving 9th house importance via blessings as

> well.

>

> In some cases if blessings are powerful then it can

> remove all delays.

>

> So finding Ju's delay is not straight forward as

> that of Saturn.

>

> Just think, if the natural 9th lord itself is giving

> delay then? Its

> like the father tells his daughter to study further

> there by

> automatically causing delay as she might not want to

> marry then....

> this is just as an analogy.

>

> Now in this case, Jupiter is in 11th house and its

> with 6 bindus and

> so its aspecting 7th house malefically and at the

> same time its also

> casting its aspect on Moon who is LoB.

>

> So in this case, Jupiter is affecting both House A

> and LoB and that

> too malefically. So here Ju will cause delay.

>

> So in this case there will be full delay of Saturn

> and also that of

> Jupiter.

>

> Now another thing, just think, all the laws are

> given keeping in mind

> India. So were Legal age to marry is 21 for male

> and 18 for female so

> full delay of Saturn will be 7.5 years assume Sa is

> at 0 deg.

>

> So we are saying delay of Saturn is over at 27.5

> years and there after

> delay of Ju starts.

>

> Now what if in some towns or in some communities

> there is early

> marriage at age of 12-13 etc then in that case the

> full delay might

> not be 27.5 years ? Then what is full delay?

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > This chart brings to forfront some of the nuances

> of

> > the laws of delay

> >

> > 1. We say there is full saturn delay, because

> saturn

> > aspects C, LoB. It is situated in house A which is

> not

> > delay. But it aspects LOA in navansha.

> >

> > I have an logical/intellectual objection to using

> > aspects in amshas, even navansha. As it would

> violate

> > the astronomical rules. If we take aspects on

> lords in

> > navansha, then say, saturn at 2 degrees areies

> will

> > aspect a planet in 2 degrees of taurus in navamsha

> (

> > Saturn will be in areis navansha and the planet in

> > taurus will be in makar navansha. Now this does

> not

> > jive with astronomy.

> >

> > 2. Secondly the jupiter delay in the chart is

> beacuse

> > gupiter aspects house B and is WITH loA, moon. Now

> can

> > we say that jupiter aspects moon in this case as

> it is

> > with him ? If we can not say that then there is no

> > jupiter delay, if jupiter being with LoA qualifies

> as

> > aspect on LoA then a case could be made for

> jupiter

> > delay.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Satish

> > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Ash,

 

>>

Jupiter when it aspects House A and LoB or House B or

LoA or the lords

of LoA and LoB of Rasi in Navamsa then Ju causes delay

>>

 

What if Jupiter aspects LoB and LoA in rashi itself,

but does not aspect the houses A or B.

 

Thanks

 

Satish

--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

 

> Dear Satish,

>

> Let me address your second question in this email so

> that both

> questions are separated.

>

> Jupiter's delay is not like saturn. Now keep in

> mind that Krushanji

> has still not given a lesson on that. I have asked

> him and he has

> told me to first practice on many charts so he must

> have a reason for

> making us work this hard before he gives so he must

> want us to find

> something.

>

> Let me share the basic law that is give which I

> think everyone knows.

>

> Jupiter when it aspects House A and LoB or House B

> or LoA or the lords

> of LoA and LoB of Rasi in Navamsa then Ju causes

> delay.

>

> Now there is a difference too. Saturn is a natural

> malefic and

> Jupiter is a natural benefic.

>

> Jupiter is also natural 9th lord or he is the

> natural 9th lord and we

> are giving 9th house importance via blessings as

> well.

>

> In some cases if blessings are powerful then it can

> remove all delays.

>

> So finding Ju's delay is not straight forward as

> that of Saturn.

>

> Just think, if the natural 9th lord itself is giving

> delay then? Its

> like the father tells his daughter to study further

> there by

> automatically causing delay as she might not want to

> marry then....

> this is just as an analogy.

>

> Now in this case, Jupiter is in 11th house and its

> with 6 bindus and

> so its aspecting 7th house malefically and at the

> same time its also

> casting its aspect on Moon who is LoB.

>

> So in this case, Jupiter is affecting both House A

> and LoB and that

> too malefically. So here Ju will cause delay.

>

> So in this case there will be full delay of Saturn

> and also that of

> Jupiter.

>

> Now another thing, just think, all the laws are

> given keeping in mind

> India. So were Legal age to marry is 21 for male

> and 18 for female so

> full delay of Saturn will be 7.5 years assume Sa is

> at 0 deg.

>

> So we are saying delay of Saturn is over at 27.5

> years and there after

> delay of Ju starts.

>

> Now what if in some towns or in some communities

> there is early

> marriage at age of 12-13 etc then in that case the

> full delay might

> not be 27.5 years ? Then what is full delay?

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > This chart brings to forfront some of the nuances

> of

> > the laws of delay

> >

> > 1. We say there is full saturn delay, because

> saturn

> > aspects C, LoB. It is situated in house A which is

> not

> > delay. But it aspects LOA in navansha.

> >

> > I have an logical/intellectual objection to using

> > aspects in amshas, even navansha. As it would

> violate

> > the astronomical rules. If we take aspects on

> lords in

> > navansha, then say, saturn at 2 degrees areies

> will

> > aspect a planet in 2 degrees of taurus in navamsha

> (

> > Saturn will be in areis navansha and the planet in

> > taurus will be in makar navansha. Now this does

> not

> > jive with astronomy.

> >

> > 2. Secondly the jupiter delay in the chart is

> beacuse

> > gupiter aspects house B and is WITH loA, moon. Now

> can

> > we say that jupiter aspects moon in this case as

> it is

> > with him ? If we can not say that then there is no

> > jupiter delay, if jupiter being with LoA qualifies

> as

> > aspect on LoA then a case could be made for

> jupiter

> > delay.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Satish

> > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Satish,

 

My replies in CAPS below yours.

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thanks. I was not referring to lords in navansha. I

> was referring to lords of rashi in navansha. As an

> example if saturn in at 2 degree of aries and lets say

> LoB is at 2 degrees of taurus. Then in navansha saturn

> will aspect LoB of rashi chart, as saturn will be in

> mesh navansha and LoB will be makar navansha. I have a

> fundamental disagrrement with this as to me

> astronomically it makes no sense.

 

ASH: HERE I CAN ONLY SAY IS THAT WE BOTH CAN SOLVE MORE CHARTS AND SEE

IF THIS HOLDS TRUE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. IF OVER TIME I UNDERSTAND

THIS FROM AN ASTRONOMICAL VIEW POINT IN DUE COURSE OF MY LEARNING I

WILL BRING THIS UP AGAIN. FOR NOW, WE CAN TRY TO FIND DELAYS USING

THE LAWS GIVEN AND SEE IF WE ARE COMING UP WITH PROPER TIMING OF

EVENT. IF THATS WHAT IS CONSISTENTLY HAPPENING THEN IT MEANS THAT THE

LAWS ARE CORRECT.

 

>

> The other part you have explained and residence in

> house A/B or C will be taken a s affecting house

> A/B/C. That was althougha logical extention was not

> explicitly clear. So saturn in house A lets say and

> aslo aspecting B/LoB, C/LoC will cause full delay,

 

ASH : YES, CORRECT.

 

> however if Saturn only aspects LoB and LoC and not the

> houses can qualify to give the event after the delay

> is over as it does not aspect house B or C and resides

> in A but not aspect A...Is this correct ?

>

 

ASH : IF SA IS ASPECTING LOB AND LOC BUT NOT TOUCHING MEANS IN HOUSE A

OR ASPECTS LOA OR ASPECTS LOA IN NAVAMSA OR CONJOINS LOA IN RASI OR

NAVAMSA, IN THAT CASE THERE CANNOT BE FULL DELAY.

 

NOW WITH RESPECT TO SA BEING ABLE TO GIVE RESULT, WHAT IF SA IS LOD OR

LOE, THEN WHEN IT GETS CHANCE IT WILL GIVE IN 1ST SECTOR ITSELF.

 

IF SA IS ASPECTING HOUSE A B OR C THEN SA ANTRA COMES AND SAY IF SA IS

SD A POWERFUL PLANET AND IF THAT PLANET ASPECTS HOUSE A B OR C THEN SA

CAN STEP IN FOR THAT PLANET.

 

IF I HAVENT UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION, PLEASE TAKE A HYPOTHETICAL CASE

OR A CHART AND WE CAN STUDY.

 

> Satish

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > Sa is in House A, It aspects House C and Ju who is

> > LoB so there is

> > full delay due to Saturn.

> >

> > No, we cannot mix rasi house aspect and navasma like

> > what u have done

> > here. i.e. u said Sa aspects House A in navamsa.

> >

> > Ok, let me try once again to explain.

> >

> > Take Rasi first and check If Sa aspects LoA or House

> > A, LoB or House B

> > and LoC or House C. So if in Rasi itself its having

> > its influence on

> > any 3 lords or house then there is full delay due to

> > Saturn.

> >

> > If Sa is located in House A or B or C we are taking

> > that 1 house is

> > affected.

> >

> > Take the chart in discussion. Sa is In House A so

> > House A is

> > affected, then its aspecting House C and Ju is in

> > House C so Sa is

> > aspecting Ju who is LoB. So Here House A, B and LoC

> > but all 3 are

> > affected by Saturn so there is full delay.

> >

> > Next

> >

> > Now assume that Gemini is lagna so LoA is Mo, LoC is

> > Ma and LoB is Ju.

> >

> > Now assume that Sa is not aspecting House ABC or

> > their lords i.e. Mo,

> > Ma and Ju in Rasi so we check the LORDS OF RASI I.E.

> > MO, JU AND MA and

> > see if SATURN ASPECTS THEM IN NAVAMSA. So now say,

> > Saturn is

> > aspecting or CONJOINING Mo, Ju and Ma in Navamsa

> > then also there is

> > full delay.

> >

> > Next Case

> >

> > We do not check LORDS OF NAVAMSA means for example

> > say Gemini is

> > rising and Scorpio is navamsa lagna.

> >

> > So navamsa LoA, LoB and LoC are Ju, Ve and Me. Now

> > here we do not

> > check if Saturn is aspecting Ju, Ve and Me in

> > navamsa.

> >

> > So as per KAS we do not take lords of Navamsa but

> > only house.

> >

> > So Sa in 5th house in navamsa will aspect House A, B

> > and C so there

> > will be full delay.

> >

> > Atleast that is my understanding this far.

> >

> > Now you say that u dont take aspects in D charts,

> > actually just study

> > all the D charts leaving aside Navamsa. In the

> > calculation of WS for

> > D charts we just take A+B+C house strength i.e. the

> > first portion of

> > H1 to H12 eh.

> >

> > So it means we do not consider aspect strength

> > transfer in D charts

> > nor 4:10.

> >

> > Now Navamsa is different. Here we give equal status

> > as Rasi so it

> > means that we are finding SD from it. Say if 2

> > planets are in exact

> > 5:9 they also come together in navamasa so that way

> > they become

> > samdharmi. But when calculating the strength in

> > Navamsa we are taking

> > power of only A+B+C house. That you can see in the

> > D-Charts worksheet

> > where we find the power of planets in D charts.

> >

> > So I think KAS system covers all this.

> >

> > So power of planets is from Rasi and the WS of Rasi

> > for timing of

> > events.

> >

> > Then we also check aspects of lords of Rasi ABC i.e

> > .LoA LoB and LoC

> > and the aspect of Saturn in Navamsa so Navamsa is

> > given importance and

> > thirdly in navamsa only house is taken.

> >

> > Actually if u see how SAV is distributed then we are

> > going by house so

> > say Sun if in 1st house will distribute the points

> > from 1st house to

> > 12th house similarly for other planets too.

> >

> > So we are not taking lords in Navamsa as per your

> > email but we are

> > seeing the aspect of lords of Rasi i.e LoA, LoB and

> > LoC OF RASI and

> > the aspect of Sa on it in navamsa but we are not

> > seeing nLoA, nLoB and

> > nLoC and Sa's aspect of that in navmsa (nLo =

> > navamsa Lord of).

> >

> > I hope this subtle distinction is clear.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > This chart brings to forfront some of the nuances

> > of

> > > the laws of delay

> > >

> > > 1. We say there is full saturn delay, because

> > saturn

> > > aspects C, LoB. It is situated in house A which is

> > not

> > > delay. But it aspects LOA in navansha.

> > >

> > > I have an logical/intellectual objection to using

> > > aspects in amshas, even navansha. As it would

> > violate

> > > the astronomical rules. If we take aspects on

> > lords in

> > > navansha, then say, saturn at 2 degrees areies

> > will

> > > aspect a planet in 2 degrees of taurus in navamsha

> > (

> > > Saturn will be in areis navansha and the planet in

> > > taurus will be in makar navansha. Now this does

> > not

> > > jive with astronomy.

> > >

> > > 2. Secondly the jupiter delay in the chart is

> > beacuse

> > > gupiter aspects house B and is WITH loA, moon. Now

> > can

> > > we say that jupiter aspects moon in this case as

> > it is

> > > with him ? If we can not say that then there is no

> > > jupiter delay, if jupiter being with LoA qualifies

> > as

> > > aspect on LoA then a case could be made for

> > jupiter

> > > delay.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Dear Satish,

 

I can see Ju is aspecting Mo in 3rd house and Ju is in 11th so its

aspecting 7th house?

 

Where are u seeing Mo is conjoining Ju?

 

I am confused.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> >>

> So in this case, Jupiter is affecting both House A and

> LoB and that

> too malefically. So here Ju will cause delay.

>

> >>

>

> Juiter is with moon so that will count as affecting

> moon the LoB. Now it will aspect malefically house B,

> but not Moon , the LoA as it is with moon and jupiter

> will be benefic for the place he is in as it has 7

> points. Is this correct ?

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

> --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > Let me address your second question in this email so

> > that both

> > questions are separated.

> >

> > Jupiter's delay is not like saturn. Now keep in

> > mind that Krushanji

> > has still not given a lesson on that. I have asked

> > him and he has

> > told me to first practice on many charts so he must

> > have a reason for

> > making us work this hard before he gives so he must

> > want us to find

> > something.

> >

> > Let me share the basic law that is give which I

> > think everyone knows.

> >

> > Jupiter when it aspects House A and LoB or House B

> > or LoA or the lords

> > of LoA and LoB of Rasi in Navamsa then Ju causes

> > delay.

> >

> > Now there is a difference too. Saturn is a natural

> > malefic and

> > Jupiter is a natural benefic.

> >

> > Jupiter is also natural 9th lord or he is the

> > natural 9th lord and we

> > are giving 9th house importance via blessings as

> > well.

> >

> > In some cases if blessings are powerful then it can

> > remove all delays.

> >

> > So finding Ju's delay is not straight forward as

> > that of Saturn.

> >

> > Just think, if the natural 9th lord itself is giving

> > delay then? Its

> > like the father tells his daughter to study further

> > there by

> > automatically causing delay as she might not want to

> > marry then....

> > this is just as an analogy.

> >

> > Now in this case, Jupiter is in 11th house and its

> > with 6 bindus and

> > so its aspecting 7th house malefically and at the

> > same time its also

> > casting its aspect on Moon who is LoB.

> >

> > So in this case, Jupiter is affecting both House A

> > and LoB and that

> > too malefically. So here Ju will cause delay.

> >

> > So in this case there will be full delay of Saturn

> > and also that of

> > Jupiter.

> >

> > Now another thing, just think, all the laws are

> > given keeping in mind

> > India. So were Legal age to marry is 21 for male

> > and 18 for female so

> > full delay of Saturn will be 7.5 years assume Sa is

> > at 0 deg.

> >

> > So we are saying delay of Saturn is over at 27.5

> > years and there after

> > delay of Ju starts.

> >

> > Now what if in some towns or in some communities

> > there is early

> > marriage at age of 12-13 etc then in that case the

> > full delay might

> > not be 27.5 years ? Then what is full delay?

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> >

> > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > This chart brings to forfront some of the nuances

> > of

> > > the laws of delay

> > >

> > > 1. We say there is full saturn delay, because

> > saturn

> > > aspects C, LoB. It is situated in house A which is

> > not

> > > delay. But it aspects LOA in navansha.

> > >

> > > I have an logical/intellectual objection to using

> > > aspects in amshas, even navansha. As it would

> > violate

> > > the astronomical rules. If we take aspects on

> > lords in

> > > navansha, then say, saturn at 2 degrees areies

> > will

> > > aspect a planet in 2 degrees of taurus in navamsha

> > (

> > > Saturn will be in areis navansha and the planet in

> > > taurus will be in makar navansha. Now this does

> > not

> > > jive with astronomy.

> > >

> > > 2. Secondly the jupiter delay in the chart is

> > beacuse

> > > gupiter aspects house B and is WITH loA, moon. Now

> > can

> > > we say that jupiter aspects moon in this case as

> > it is

> > > with him ? If we can not say that then there is no

> > > jupiter delay, if jupiter being with LoA qualifies

> > as

> > > aspect on LoA then a case could be made for

> > jupiter

> > > delay.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Dear Satish,

 

When ju aspects House A or LoA AND House B or LoB but both.

 

So if Ju aspects LoA and LoB in Rasi then also its full delay.

 

If Ju aspects LoA and LoB of Rasi in navamsa also there is full delay.

 

Now if Ju is 6th lord and with more bindus and if it aspects LoA and

LoB or House A and Lord of B or House B and LoA then in Ju's antra it

can depart the person as well as that will be very malefic.

 

So more malefic Ju is the more damage it can cause.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> >>

> Jupiter when it aspects House A and LoB or House B or

> LoA or the lords

> of LoA and LoB of Rasi in Navamsa then Ju causes delay

> >>

>

> What if Jupiter aspects LoB and LoA in rashi itself,

> but does not aspect the houses A or B.

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

> --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > Let me address your second question in this email so

> > that both

> > questions are separated.

> >

> > Jupiter's delay is not like saturn. Now keep in

> > mind that Krushanji

> > has still not given a lesson on that. I have asked

> > him and he has

> > told me to first practice on many charts so he must

> > have a reason for

> > making us work this hard before he gives so he must

> > want us to find

> > something.

> >

> > Let me share the basic law that is give which I

> > think everyone knows.

> >

> > Jupiter when it aspects House A and LoB or House B

> > or LoA or the lords

> > of LoA and LoB of Rasi in Navamsa then Ju causes

> > delay.

> >

> > Now there is a difference too. Saturn is a natural

> > malefic and

> > Jupiter is a natural benefic.

> >

> > Jupiter is also natural 9th lord or he is the

> > natural 9th lord and we

> > are giving 9th house importance via blessings as

> > well.

> >

> > In some cases if blessings are powerful then it can

> > remove all delays.

> >

> > So finding Ju's delay is not straight forward as

> > that of Saturn.

> >

> > Just think, if the natural 9th lord itself is giving

> > delay then? Its

> > like the father tells his daughter to study further

> > there by

> > automatically causing delay as she might not want to

> > marry then....

> > this is just as an analogy.

> >

> > Now in this case, Jupiter is in 11th house and its

> > with 6 bindus and

> > so its aspecting 7th house malefically and at the

> > same time its also

> > casting its aspect on Moon who is LoB.

> >

> > So in this case, Jupiter is affecting both House A

> > and LoB and that

> > too malefically. So here Ju will cause delay.

> >

> > So in this case there will be full delay of Saturn

> > and also that of

> > Jupiter.

> >

> > Now another thing, just think, all the laws are

> > given keeping in mind

> > India. So were Legal age to marry is 21 for male

> > and 18 for female so

> > full delay of Saturn will be 7.5 years assume Sa is

> > at 0 deg.

> >

> > So we are saying delay of Saturn is over at 27.5

> > years and there after

> > delay of Ju starts.

> >

> > Now what if in some towns or in some communities

> > there is early

> > marriage at age of 12-13 etc then in that case the

> > full delay might

> > not be 27.5 years ? Then what is full delay?

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> >

> > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > This chart brings to forfront some of the nuances

> > of

> > > the laws of delay

> > >

> > > 1. We say there is full saturn delay, because

> > saturn

> > > aspects C, LoB. It is situated in house A which is

> > not

> > > delay. But it aspects LOA in navansha.

> > >

> > > I have an logical/intellectual objection to using

> > > aspects in amshas, even navansha. As it would

> > violate

> > > the astronomical rules. If we take aspects on

> > lords in

> > > navansha, then say, saturn at 2 degrees areies

> > will

> > > aspect a planet in 2 degrees of taurus in navamsha

> > (

> > > Saturn will be in areis navansha and the planet in

> > > taurus will be in makar navansha. Now this does

> > not

> > > jive with astronomy.

> > >

> > > 2. Secondly the jupiter delay in the chart is

> > beacuse

> > > gupiter aspects house B and is WITH loA, moon. Now

> > can

> > > we say that jupiter aspects moon in this case as

> > it is

> > > with him ? If we can not say that then there is no

> > > jupiter delay, if jupiter being with LoA qualifies

> > as

> > > aspect on LoA then a case could be made for

> > jupiter

> > > delay.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Dear Ash,

 

My mistake, I did not have chart in front of me. It is

aspecting moon. Had it been with moon though would it

benefically influence moon ?

 

Satish

--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

 

> Dear Satish,

>

> I can see Ju is aspecting Mo in 3rd house and Ju is

> in 11th so its

> aspecting 7th house?

>

> Where are u seeing Mo is conjoining Ju?

>

> I am confused.

>

> Cheers !!!

 

 

 

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Dear Satish,

 

Here if it was with Moon then its differet as its not aspecting Moon.

Ju is also natural benefic so I don't think it can be treated that way.

I feel that if Ju is malefic means if Ju is with say < 4 bindus and

then conjoined Moon and then Ju aspected 7th house or 7th lord then it

might cause delay.

 

However, I am still studying this in charts. My research has been +ve

w.r.t this phenemon.

 

If Ju is with more than 4 bindus and if say Mo conjoined and Ju in

11th and Mo in 11th and Gemini lagna then here Ju might not cause

delay unless it aspected Mo in navamsa.

 

I am keeping this in mind when I am studying.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> My mistake, I did not have chart in front of me. It is

> aspecting moon. Had it been with moon though would it

> benefically influence moon ?

>

> Satish

> --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > I can see Ju is aspecting Mo in 3rd house and Ju is

> > in 11th so its

> > aspecting 7th house?

> >

> > Where are u seeing Mo is conjoining Ju?

> >

> > I am confused.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

>

>

>

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Dear Ash,

As given Jup delay, Jup has to aspect LoA/HoA or LoB/HoB

So jup in 11th house, with more points have to aspect LoA in rashi chart or

navmsa for Jup delay?

And if otherwise its conjuction with LoA in 11th house cant be treated as Jup

delay?

Sld we consider benefic and malefic aspect factor also for the Jup delay as

such ?

Thanxs

 

Regards

Anup

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Satish,

 

Here if it was with Moon then its differet as its not aspecting Moon.

Ju is also natural benefic so I don't think it can be treated that way.

I feel that if Ju is malefic means if Ju is with say < 4 bindus and

then conjoined Moon and then Ju aspected 7th house or 7th lord then it

might cause delay.

 

However, I am still studying this in charts. My research has been +ve

w.r.t this phenemon.

 

If Ju is with more than 4 bindus and if say Mo conjoined and Ju in

11th and Mo in 11th and Gemini lagna then here Ju might not cause

delay unless it aspected Mo in navamsa.

 

I am keeping this in mind when I am studying.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> My mistake, I did not have chart in front of me. It is

> aspecting moon. Had it been with moon though would it

> benefically influence moon ?

>

> Satish

> --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > I can see Ju is aspecting Mo in 3rd house and Ju is

> > in 11th so its

> > aspecting 7th house?

> >

> > Where are u seeing Mo is conjoining Ju?

> >

> > I am confused.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

>

>

>

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Dear Anup,

Ju has to aspect LoA/HoA AND LoB/HoB in rasi or its lord in navamsa.

From what I understand, Ju cannot cause delay as it cannot aspect

House A and B together in Navamsa and we are not considering Lords of

house in navamsa.

Like Sa in 5th house can cause delay as it can asepct House A, B and C

in navamsa same way Ju can never aspect House A and B in navamsa.

Just keep these points in mind when u study.

Like you I am also studying the same in many charts as advised by

Krushanji. So I shall not question his approach in teaching.

 

So just note these points and apply them and see the results.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

, " Anup. M "

<dalh_1 wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

> As given Jup delay, Jup has to aspect LoA/HoA or LoB/HoB

> So jup in 11th house, with more points have to aspect LoA in rashi

chart or navmsa for Jup delay?

> And if otherwise its conjuction with LoA in 11th house cant be

treated as Jup delay?

> Sld we consider benefic and malefic aspect factor also for the

Jup delay as such ?

> Thanxs

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

>

>

>

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Satish,

>

> Here if it was with Moon then its differet as its not aspecting Moon.

> Ju is also natural benefic so I don't think it can be treated that way.

> I feel that if Ju is malefic means if Ju is with say < 4 bindus and

> then conjoined Moon and then Ju aspected 7th house or 7th lord then it

> might cause delay.

>

> However, I am still studying this in charts. My research has been +ve

> w.r.t this phenemon.

>

> If Ju is with more than 4 bindus and if say Mo conjoined and Ju in

> 11th and Mo in 11th and Gemini lagna then here Ju might not cause

> delay unless it aspected Mo in navamsa.

>

> I am keeping this in mind when I am studying.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > My mistake, I did not have chart in front of me. It is

> > aspecting moon. Had it been with moon though would it

> > benefically influence moon ?

> >

> > Satish

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> > >

> > > I can see Ju is aspecting Mo in 3rd house and Ju is

> > > in 11th so its

> > > aspecting 7th house?

> > >

> > > Where are u seeing Mo is conjoining Ju?

> > >

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Dear Satish,

 

I am giving some thought to your first point let me write them below

your reply.

 

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thanks. I was not referring to lords in navansha. I

> was referring to lords of rashi in navansha. As an

> example if saturn in at 2 degree of aries and lets say

> LoB is at 2 degrees of taurus. Then in navansha saturn

> will aspect LoB of rashi chart, as saturn will be in

> mesh navansha and LoB will be makar navansha. I have a

> fundamental disagrrement with this as to me

> astronomically it makes no sense.

>

 

ASH : In Saravali some verses are given such as

 

" Should it be Mercury, that aspects the Sun in a Sign of Venus, one

will be skilful in drawing, writing, poetry, authorship, singing etc.

and will possess a good physique. "

 

Or

 

" When Venus aspects the Sun in Libra, or Taurus, one will be a king,

or a kings minister, be endowed with wife, wealth and pleasure galore,

be wise and timid. "

 

 

 

So here how is this possible in Rasi?

 

Now as per KAS we are saying that we are also using aspect in Navamsa

for example Sa and Ve in 1:7 in navamsa then they cease to become

natural Samdharmi.

 

We also say that if Saturn is aspecting LoA , LoB and LoC of Rasi in

navamsa then there is delay so in a way we are checking aspect in Navamsa.

 

So, now again KAS was kept guarded in Krushnaji's gurujis family so I

feel that this knowledge is intact.

 

If as per your example for the first law, if Venus is in 1st 3deg20 in

libra in Rasi and sun is at say from 10 deg to 13deg20 in Capricorn in

Rasi then they will be in 4:10 in RAsi so no aspect but in navamsa

Venus will be in navamsa of Venus and Sun will be in navamsa of Aries.

 

Do you have any other reasoning on why if aspects are not considered

in navamsa then such verses might be written in VA? Your insights

will help me learn.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

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Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Sindhu , Wahaa and all,

If I am not wrong you all are discussing the chart of a female native who was

born on 03 Jul 1976 with asc rising at 6 Ge 38.

After considering the delay caused by Sa and Ju both, the marriage should not

be before 2003 because composite delay ends on 27 Jul 2003.

Wahaa disclosed that marruiage took place in Feb 1999.

I think Anup has already given his readings and attempt.

Now seriously I too checked up this chart and found something wrong somewhere.

1. No blessings in the chart.

2.Sa occupies house A for 7th as B with 2 malefic bindus so Sa is malefically

posited in house A and aspects house C and LoB Ju, thereby causing full delay

for the event of 7th.

In navamsa Sa aspects Ju LoB of rasi.It does not aspect Mo .

I could not understand the point of Satish who mentioned Sa aspects LoA in

navamsa.

3.LoB Ju is in house C and casts his malefic sight on house B and LoA, thereby

causing full delay.

Considering all the above points you may reach to the conclusion that this

combine delay will be over on 27 Jul 2003 when native was passing Ra antara in

Ra main.

4.There are two zeros in SAV chart contributed by Ma and Me for 7th house.

5. 6th lord is Mars who combines with LoA thus weakening LoA a FK.

Mo has only 6 points in WS for 7th.

 

Satish said Mo is with Ju in 11th house. Whereas Ju casts his 5th aspect on Mo

from 11th house. This aspect is also a malefic aspect.

 

6. SAV points for house 2nd and 7th is also very low with 18 points only.

 

I could not get the point of Wahaa who is telling the marriage took place in

Feb 1999.

If it is so then during this period native was running through Ke antar in Ma

main.

Ke is SD to Ve LoE so Ke can give the event.But the main lord Ma has zero

contribution for the event of 7th and it is 6th lord also.

However I personally could not digest the event took place in 1999 according

to the system of KAS.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

Dear Ash,

 

This chart brings to forfront some of the nuances of

the laws of delay

 

1. We say there is full saturn delay, because saturn

aspects C, LoB. It is situated in house A which is not

delay. But it aspects LOA in navansha.

 

I have an logical/intellectual objection to using

aspects in amshas, even navansha. As it would violate

the astronomical rules. If we take aspects on lords in

navansha, then say, saturn at 2 degrees areies will

aspect a planet in 2 degrees of taurus in navamsha (

Saturn will be in areis navansha and the planet in

taurus will be in makar navansha. Now this does not

jive with astronomy.

 

2. Secondly the jupiter delay in the chart is beacuse

gupiter aspects house B and is WITH loA, moon. Now can

we say that jupiter aspects moon in this case as it is

with him ? If we can not say that then there is no

jupiter delay, if jupiter being with LoA qualifies as

aspect on LoA then a case could be made for jupiter

delay.

 

Thanks

 

Satish

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Dear Ramesh,

 

Ignore my mail where I put moon with jupiter, that was

a mistake.

 

I did cast the chart in Jh Hora and the dasha was

mangal-budh. Infact the dashas are off by almost 6-8

months. I am sure some of it has to do with ayanamsa

but I have not seen such a big difference. So in KAS

it is mangal-ketu dasha while with Lahiri it is

mangal-budh. I have not seen such a big difference

whats a general difference bewteen KAS and Lahiri

ayanmsha ?

 

Satish

--- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002

wrote:

 

> Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Sindhu , Wahaa and all,

> If I am not wrong you all are discussing the chart

> of a female native who was born on 03 Jul 1976 with

> asc rising at 6 Ge 38.

> After considering the delay caused by Sa and Ju

> both, the marriage should not be before 2003 because

> composite delay ends on 27 Jul 2003.

> Wahaa disclosed that marruiage took place in Feb

> 1999.

> I think Anup has already given his readings and

> attempt.

> Now seriously I too checked up this chart and

> found something wrong somewhere.

> 1. No blessings in the chart.

> 2.Sa occupies house A for 7th as B with 2 malefic

> bindus so Sa is malefically posited in house A and

> aspects house C and LoB Ju, thereby causing full

> delay for the event of 7th.

> In navamsa Sa aspects Ju LoB of rasi.It does not

> aspect Mo .

> I could not understand the point of Satish who

> mentioned Sa aspects LoA in navamsa.

> 3.LoB Ju is in house C and casts his malefic sight

> on house B and LoA, thereby causing full delay.

> Considering all the above points you may reach to

> the conclusion that this combine delay will be over

> on 27 Jul 2003 when native was passing Ra antara in

> Ra main.

> 4.There are two zeros in SAV chart contributed by

> Ma and Me for 7th house.

> 5. 6th lord is Mars who combines with LoA thus

> weakening LoA a FK.

> Mo has only 6 points in WS for 7th.

>

> Satish said Mo is with Ju in 11th house. Whereas

> Ju casts his 5th aspect on Mo from 11th house. This

> aspect is also a malefic aspect.

>

> 6. SAV points for house 2nd and 7th is also very

> low with 18 points only.

>

> I could not get the point of Wahaa who is telling

> the marriage took place in Feb 1999.

> If it is so then during this period native was

> running through Ke antar in Ma main.

> Ke is SD to Ve LoE so Ke can give the event.But

> the main lord Ma has zero contribution for the event

> of 7th and it is 6th lord also.

> However I personally could not digest the event

> took place in 1999 according to the system of KAS.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

> Dear Ash,

>

> This chart brings to forfront some of the nuances of

> the laws of delay

>

> 1. We say there is full saturn delay, because saturn

> aspects C, LoB. It is situated in house A which is

> not

> delay. But it aspects LOA in navansha.

>

> I have an logical/intellectual objection to using

> aspects in amshas, even navansha. As it would

> violate

> the astronomical rules. If we take aspects on lords

> in

> navansha, then say, saturn at 2 degrees areies will

> aspect a planet in 2 degrees of taurus in navamsha (

> Saturn will be in areis navansha and the planet in

> taurus will be in makar navansha. Now this does not

> jive with astronomy.

>

> 2. Secondly the jupiter delay in the chart is

> beacuse

> gupiter aspects house B and is WITH loA, moon. Now

> can

> we say that jupiter aspects moon in this case as it

> is

> with him ? If we can not say that then there is no

> jupiter delay, if jupiter being with LoA qualifies

> as

> aspect on LoA then a case could be made for jupiter

> delay.

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

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Hello All,

 

One thing that I noticed in Wahhas reply was that her

father wanted her to marry as he was not keeping good

health. Now will that show up as influence of father

to precipitate the event.

 

BTW Sun the karaka for father is with both LoD and

LoE.

 

 

Satish

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dear sir,

her marriage took place here in bhubaneswar on 21 Feb;1999.

my neice's birth occurred in VSS medical college as the date i told.

what else can I give for confidence?

regards,

sushreesp(wahaa jahan)

 

, ramesh mishra

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Sindhu , Wahaa and all,

> If I am not wrong you all are discussing the chart of a female

native who was born on 03 Jul 1976 with asc rising at 6 Ge 38.

> After considering the delay caused by Sa and Ju both, the marriage

should not be before 2003 because composite delay ends on 27 Jul 2003.

> Wahaa disclosed that marruiage took place in Feb 1999.

> I think Anup has already given his readings and attempt.

> Now seriously I too checked up this chart and found something

wrong somewhere.

> 1. No blessings in the chart.

> 2.Sa occupies house A for 7th as B with 2 malefic bindus so Sa is

malefically posited in house A and aspects house C and LoB Ju, thereby

causing full delay for the event of 7th.

> In navamsa Sa aspects Ju LoB of rasi.It does not aspect Mo .

> I could not understand the point of Satish who mentioned Sa

aspects LoA in navamsa.

> 3.LoB Ju is in house C and casts his malefic sight on house B and

LoA, thereby causing full delay.

> Considering all the above points you may reach to the conclusion

that this combine delay will be over on 27 Jul 2003 when native was

passing Ra antara in Ra main.

> 4.There are two zeros in SAV chart contributed by Ma and Me for

7th house.

> 5. 6th lord is Mars who combines with LoA thus weakening LoA a FK.

> Mo has only 6 points in WS for 7th.

>

> Satish said Mo is with Ju in 11th house. Whereas Ju casts his 5th

aspect on Mo from 11th house. This aspect is also a malefic aspect.

>

> 6. SAV points for house 2nd and 7th is also very low with 18

points only.

>

> I could not get the point of Wahaa who is telling the marriage

took place in Feb 1999.

> If it is so then during this period native was running through Ke

antar in Ma main.

> Ke is SD to Ve LoE so Ke can give the event.But the main lord Ma

has zero contribution for the event of 7th and it is 6th lord also.

> However I personally could not digest the event took place in 1999

according to the system of KAS.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

> Dear Ash,

>

> This chart brings to forfront some of the nuances of

> the laws of delay

>

> 1. We say there is full saturn delay, because saturn

> aspects C, LoB. It is situated in house A which is not

> delay. But it aspects LOA in navansha.

>

> I have an logical/intellectual objection to using

> aspects in amshas, even navansha. As it would violate

> the astronomical rules. If we take aspects on lords in

> navansha, then say, saturn at 2 degrees areies will

> aspect a planet in 2 degrees of taurus in navamsha (

> Saturn will be in areis navansha and the planet in

> taurus will be in makar navansha. Now this does not

> jive with astronomy.

>

> 2. Secondly the jupiter delay in the chart is beacuse

> gupiter aspects house B and is WITH loA, moon. Now can

> we say that jupiter aspects moon in this case as it is

> with him ? If we can not say that then there is no

> jupiter delay, if jupiter being with LoA qualifies as

> aspect on LoA then a case could be made for jupiter

> delay.

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

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dear satis,

i said clearly,his father sure wanted her early marriage since he was

not keeping well & his children had already lost their real mother

during their early teens.

& also note her father has no other issue from 2nd wife & the step

mother really deserves credit for managing the family.

it is totally a happy marriage event for both family.

hope if these much can serve !

regards,

sushreesp(wahaa jahan)

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Hello All,

>

> One thing that I noticed in Wahhas reply was that her

> father wanted her to marry as he was not keeping good

> health. Now will that show up as influence of father

> to precipitate the event.

>

> BTW Sun the karaka for father is with both LoD and

> LoE.

>

>

> Satish

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> wrote:

>

>

>

>

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dear satis,

i hope this may be helpful to all of you that

my brother's chart was fulfilling all combinations for his marriage

along with guru,Rabi & Chandra suddhi but her chart had some problem

as being consulted then by local astrologers & they gave some remedy

for it on comments that marriages are made in heaven & out of the two

charts of boy & girl if any one fulfills all requirements then it can

pull on the other.now my parents are unable to recall what remedy in

the form of puja they did because the puja was undertook by our own

family relative as pundit.we are brahmins.well,the day of marriage was

not showing some Chandra suddhi as per Utkal panchang but the very

astrologer assured to fix the day of marriage,21 feb as per Rastriya

panchang.i don't know much details about so many panchang.yes,the

astrologer only asked for caution if any accident kind of thing might

take place on the day of marriage.For that reason,my father did

himself drive the same car in which the groom went for marriage &

everything took place smoothly happily sticking all ritual events as

per muhurta.

regards,

sushreesp(wahaa jahan)

, " panda sushree s "

<sushreesp wrote:

>

> dear satis,

> i said clearly,his father sure wanted her early marriage since he was

> not keeping well & his children had already lost their real mother

> during their early teens.

> & also note her father has no other issue from 2nd wife & the step

> mother really deserves credit for managing the family.

> it is totally a happy marriage event for both family.

> hope if these much can serve !

> regards,

> sushreesp(wahaa jahan)

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello All,

> >

> > One thing that I noticed in Wahhas reply was that her

> > father wanted her to marry as he was not keeping good

> > health. Now will that show up as influence of father

> > to precipitate the event.

> >

> > BTW Sun the karaka for father is with both LoD and

> > LoE.

> >

> >

> > Satish

> > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@>

> > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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