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Dear Satish,

What is the logic behind this phenomenon, why has Mars and Rahu antra

have been highlighted?

 

I will share my thoughts.

 

As per KAS we are saying that Sa when it transits 0 points then it

gives problems similarly with Mars when it transits over 0 points.

They are natural malefics.

 

Now for Sade-Sati we are saying that if the bindus of Sa is more than

3 then not to worry much.

 

If bindu of Sa is less than 3 then it will oppose. So lets take each

house. Sa over 12th from moon means it will oppose 9th house and have

its influence over 3rd house. So here one will face a tough time and

not be fortunate at the same time he will have to work very hard.

Then Sa will come over 1st house so if Sa's bindus are again less than

3 then it will oppose 10th house and have its control over 4th house,

so here, the natives might face problems w.r.t authority, and the

results of the parakram might not be enjoyed of the natives might make

mistakes in his or her actions that might cause some problems w.r.t

happiness.

Then Saturn will come over 2nd house from Moon so that time it will

oppose 11th hosue and have its control over 5th house. So here there

will be obstruction to income and success and the natives who are

taking risks and going for easy income might face problems.

Again moon is mind so all these things have to do with mind.

 

Now if u study the same from karaktwa view point, so Sa in 12th from

moon means there will be opposition to 9th house and 9th is karak for

2nd house so again the native might face trobles from relatives and

wealth.

 

Next if Sa is over moon then 10th house will be opposed and 10th is

karak for parakram and 3rd house and finally, Sa over 2nd from moon

means its opposing 11th hosue and 11th is A for 4th house so results

in less happiness.

 

Now also we add Sa and Ju both points together and then everything

changes.

 

Now as per this verse quoted by you, I am not clear on Mars or Rahu's

role on why a native will face more troubles in those areas?

 

Why not other planets? What is the logic there?

 

Can you please share your thoughts.

 

Satish, w.r.t to your other mail on Retro planets, just check the

chart of Rashmi. He has 3 or 4 retro planets and he is very rich.

 

As per KAS I forgot to reply, we say that Retro planets enhance the

house they aspect but in reverse direction.

 

Means lets take Sa is Retro and in 7th house, so it will enhance 5th,

1st and 10th house of the chart this is for enhancement of results and

nothing to do with timing.

 

Similarly Mars say in retro and in 8th house then it will enhance 5th,

1st and 2nd house.

 

So like that. Just observe this in many charts.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> Here is the verse from devakeralam

>

> Verse 3806:

>

> Janme shanisthithe kaale nanavyakulsambhavam

> kujabhuktau phalam satyam rahu bhuktau visheshatah!

>

> Saturn coming in transit on the sign occupied by moon

> will cause various types of angush in the sub period

> of mars and much more so in the sub period of rahu.

>

> Satish

> --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> > Hello,

> >

> > I recall a verse from Deva keralam that goes

> > something

> > like

> >

> > When shani is traiting over natal moon ( Sade-sati),

> > the dasha of shani is bad and that of rahu is even

> > worse. I will look up the exact verse and

> > translation

> > tonight. The native will have shani going over his

> > natal moon shortly and is in rahi-shani dasha. it is

> > going to be challenging in my opinion.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> >

>

>

>

>

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Dear Ash,

 

Well said..No words really! we always need these logics .

I have few things in my mind regarding this.When Saturn in 12th house opposes

9th,

is this due to aspect and if so then this sld also oppose 6th house also.

In lesson 33, it is also written that any planet with low points controls the

4th house.

Is this specific for Saturn only?

Retro planets may give effects as explained by you but when a planet is retro

,this always goes away from its specific orbital placement , i may say that this

starts debiliting for

native at that moment and you said this enhances the houses in reverse by its

aspect.

So the whole concept is same and understandable.

 

Thanxs Ash.

 

Regards

Anup

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Satish,

What is the logic behind this phenomenon, why has Mars and Rahu antra

have been highlighted?

 

I will share my thoughts.

 

As per KAS we are saying that Sa when it transits 0 points then it

gives problems similarly with Mars when it transits over 0 points.

They are natural malefics.

 

Now for Sade-Sati we are saying that if the bindus of Sa is more than

3 then not to worry much.

 

If bindu of Sa is less than 3 then it will oppose. So lets take each

house. Sa over 12th from moon means it will oppose 9th house and have

its influence over 3rd house. So here one will face a tough time and

not be fortunate at the same time he will have to work very hard.

Then Sa will come over 1st house so if Sa's bindus are again less than

3 then it will oppose 10th house and have its control over 4th house,

so here, the natives might face problems w.r.t authority, and the

results of the parakram might not be enjoyed of the natives might make

mistakes in his or her actions that might cause some problems w.r.t

happiness.

Then Saturn will come over 2nd house from Moon so that time it will

oppose 11th hosue and have its control over 5th house. So here there

will be obstruction to income and success and the natives who are

taking risks and going for easy income might face problems.

Again moon is mind so all these things have to do with mind.

 

Now if u study the same from karaktwa view point, so Sa in 12th from

moon means there will be opposition to 9th house and 9th is karak for

2nd house so again the native might face trobles from relatives and

wealth.

 

Next if Sa is over moon then 10th house will be opposed and 10th is

karak for parakram and 3rd house and finally, Sa over 2nd from moon

means its opposing 11th hosue and 11th is A for 4th house so results

in less happiness.

 

Now also we add Sa and Ju both points together and then everything

changes.

 

Now as per this verse quoted by you, I am not clear on Mars or Rahu's

role on why a native will face more troubles in those areas?

 

Why not other planets? What is the logic there?

 

Can you please share your thoughts.

 

Satish, w.r.t to your other mail on Retro planets, just check the

chart of Rashmi. He has 3 or 4 retro planets and he is very rich.

 

As per KAS I forgot to reply, we say that Retro planets enhance the

house they aspect but in reverse direction.

 

Means lets take Sa is Retro and in 7th house, so it will enhance 5th,

1st and 10th house of the chart this is for enhancement of results and

nothing to do with timing.

 

Similarly Mars say in retro and in 8th house then it will enhance 5th,

1st and 2nd house.

 

So like that. Just observe this in many charts.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> Here is the verse from devakeralam

>

> Verse 3806:

>

> Janme shanisthithe kaale nanavyakulsambhavam

> kujabhuktau phalam satyam rahu bhuktau visheshatah!

>

> Saturn coming in transit on the sign occupied by moon

> will cause various types of angush in the sub period

> of mars and much more so in the sub period of rahu.

>

> Satish

> --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> > Hello,

> >

> > I recall a verse from Deva keralam that goes

> > something

> > like

> >

> > When shani is traiting over natal moon ( Sade-sati),

> > the dasha of shani is bad and that of rahu is even

> > worse. I will look up the exact verse and

> > translation

> > tonight. The native will have shani going over his

> > natal moon shortly and is in rahi-shani dasha. it is

> > going to be challenging in my opinion.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> >

>

>

>

>

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Dear Ash, Anup and Satish,

Very nice discussion is going on. We must be thankful to Ash who gives very

logic statement out of his busy schedule.

I would like to ask few doubts concerning this topic.

When Sa transits in 12th, in 1st and in 2nd from Moon we say sade saati is

going on.

Take for example when it is in 12th from Moon and Sa has < 3 bindus during its

transition period.

His aspect to 9th house should be a benefic and similarly to 2nd and 6th

house.

The 4th house from Sa will be in his control. The 4th house from Sa may be in

danger because he may snatches the points from planets therein.

But how this will oppose 9th and 2nd and why not 6th ?

In fact he should help these houses due to benefic aspect.

Similarly Sa transiting over Mo and 2nd from Mo.

Similar concept might be for Ma and Ra during its transition period as Satish

pointed out or mentioned.

Now regarding retroplanets.When a planet is retrograted it diminishes its

natural characteristics and behave differently as a stupid person. So during its

retrogression we should not expect good results from these planets.

As mentioned in VA the retrograted planets cast his aspect from the previous

house/sign also.

This is my concept I may be wrong also.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

" Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Ash,

 

Well said..No words really! we always need these logics .

I have few things in my mind regarding this.When Saturn in 12th house opposes

9th,

is this due to aspect and if so then this sld also oppose 6th house also.

In lesson 33, it is also written that any planet with low points controls the

4th house.

Is this specific for Saturn only?

Retro planets may give effects as explained by you but when a planet is retro

,this always goes away from its specific orbital placement , i may say that this

starts debiliting for

native at that moment and you said this enhances the houses in reverse by its

aspect.

So the whole concept is same and understandable.

 

Thanxs Ash.

 

Regards

Anup

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Satish,

What is the logic behind this phenomenon, why has Mars and Rahu antra

have been highlighted?

 

I will share my thoughts.

 

As per KAS we are saying that Sa when it transits 0 points then it

gives problems similarly with Mars when it transits over 0 points.

They are natural malefics.

 

Now for Sade-Sati we are saying that if the bindus of Sa is more than

3 then not to worry much.

 

If bindu of Sa is less than 3 then it will oppose. So lets take each

house. Sa over 12th from moon means it will oppose 9th house and have

its influence over 3rd house. So here one will face a tough time and

not be fortunate at the same time he will have to work very hard.

Then Sa will come over 1st house so if Sa's bindus are again less than

3 then it will oppose 10th house and have its control over 4th house,

so here, the natives might face problems w.r.t authority, and the

results of the parakram might not be enjoyed of the natives might make

mistakes in his or her actions that might cause some problems w.r.t

happiness.

Then Saturn will come over 2nd house from Moon so that time it will

oppose 11th hosue and have its control over 5th house. So here there

will be obstruction to income and success and the natives who are

taking risks and going for easy income might face problems.

Again moon is mind so all these things have to do with mind.

 

Now if u study the same from karaktwa view point, so Sa in 12th from

moon means there will be opposition to 9th house and 9th is karak for

2nd house so again the native might face trobles from relatives and

wealth.

 

Next if Sa is over moon then 10th house will be opposed and 10th is

karak for parakram and 3rd house and finally, Sa over 2nd from moon

means its opposing 11th hosue and 11th is A for 4th house so results

in less happiness.

 

Now also we add Sa and Ju both points together and then everything

changes.

 

Now as per this verse quoted by you, I am not clear on Mars or Rahu's

role on why a native will face more troubles in those areas?

 

Why not other planets? What is the logic there?

 

Can you please share your thoughts.

 

Satish, w.r.t to your other mail on Retro planets, just check the

chart of Rashmi. He has 3 or 4 retro planets and he is very rich.

 

As per KAS I forgot to reply, we say that Retro planets enhance the

house they aspect but in reverse direction.

 

Means lets take Sa is Retro and in 7th house, so it will enhance 5th,

1st and 10th house of the chart this is for enhancement of results and

nothing to do with timing.

 

Similarly Mars say in retro and in 8th house then it will enhance 5th,

1st and 2nd house.

 

So like that. Just observe this in many charts.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> Here is the verse from devakeralam

>

> Verse 3806:

>

> Janme shanisthithe kaale nanavyakulsambhavam

> kujabhuktau phalam satyam rahu bhuktau visheshatah!

>

> Saturn coming in transit on the sign occupied by moon

> will cause various types of angush in the sub period

> of mars and much more so in the sub period of rahu.

>

> Satish

> --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> > Hello,

> >

> > I recall a verse from Deva keralam that goes

> > something

> > like

> >

> > When shani is traiting over natal moon ( Sade-sati),

> > the dasha of shani is bad and that of rahu is even

> > worse. I will look up the exact verse and

> > translation

> > tonight. The native will have shani going over his

> > natal moon shortly and is in rahi-shani dasha. it is

> > going to be challenging in my opinion.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> >

>

>

>

>

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Dear Ash / Satish,

 

Sorry for jumping in the thread.

 

Devkaralam - does not talk of retro planets to be looked from previous sign; but

yes - bhrigu nadi do consider retro planet from previous sign(e.g. guru retro in

5th house in sag - then it will be considered from 4th house vrischaka). There

is another overrider in the method - of using progression with it; so such guru

will be considered in vrischaka - only until it is retro in progression. Coming

to read rahu rahu like saturn per devakeralam - it is santhanam's commentary

that - likewise malefic rahu can also be read; and also that if guru is

transiting over natal moon - then malefic results. Devekeralam - here uses D9

chart not the D1.

 

In KAS - as you mentioned - that KAS aspects in reverse direction. Can you

explain this with an example. Or is it so that - saturn retro in 5th house now

will aspect 3rds house and 9th house.  

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.prafulla.net

 

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ashsam73

Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:19:39 -0000

 

Sade - Sati and Retro as per KAS and

combined.

Dear Satish,

What is the logic behind this phenomenon, why has Mars and Rahu antra

have been highlighted?

 

I will share my thoughts.

 

As per KAS we are saying that Sa when it transits 0 points then it

gives problems similarly with Mars when it transits over 0 points.

They are natural malefics.

 

Now for Sade-Sati we are saying that if the bindus of Sa is more than

3 then not to worry much.

 

If bindu of Sa is less than 3 then it will oppose. So lets take each

house. Sa over 12th from moon means it will oppose 9th house and have

its influence over 3rd house. So here one will face a tough time and

not be fortunate at the same time he will have to work very hard.

Then Sa will come over 1st house so if Sa's bindus are again less than

3 then it will oppose 10th house and have its control over 4th house,

so here, the natives might face problems w.r.t authority, and the

results of the parakram might not be enjoyed of the natives might make

mistakes in his or her actions that might cause some problems w.r.t

happiness.

Then Saturn will come over 2nd house from Moon so that time it will

oppose 11th hosue and have its control over 5th house. So here there

will be obstruction to income and success and the natives who are

taking risks and going for easy income might face problems.

Again moon is mind so all these things have to do with mind.

 

Now if u study the same from karaktwa view point, so Sa in 12th from

moon means there will be opposition to 9th house and 9th is karak for

2nd house so again the native might face trobles from relatives and

wealth.

 

Next if Sa is over moon then 10th house will be opposed and 10th is

karak for parakram and 3rd house and finally, Sa over 2nd from moon

means its opposing 11th hosue and 11th is A for 4th house so results

in less happiness.

 

Now also we add Sa and Ju both points together and then everything

changes.

 

Now as per this verse quoted by you, I am not clear on Mars or Rahu's

role on why a native will face more troubles in those areas?

 

Why not other planets? What is the logic there?

 

Can you please share your thoughts.

 

Satish, w.r.t to your other mail on Retro planets, just check the

chart of Rashmi. He has 3 or 4 retro planets and he is very rich.

 

As per KAS I forgot to reply, we say that Retro planets enhance the

house they aspect but in reverse direction.

 

Means lets take Sa is Retro and in 7th house, so it will enhance 5th,

1st and 10th house of the chart this is for enhancement of results and

nothing to do with timing.

 

Similarly Mars say in retro and in 8th house then it will enhance 5th,

1st and 2nd house.

 

So like that. Just observe this in many charts.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca [http://www.ashtro.ca]

 

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> Here is the verse from devakeralam

>

> Verse 3806:

>

> Janme shanisthithe kaale nanavyakulsambhavam

> kujabhuktau phalam satyam rahu bhuktau visheshatah!

>

> Saturn coming in transit on the sign occupied by moon

> will cause various types of angush in the sub period

> of mars and much more so in the sub period of rahu.

>

> Satish

> --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> > Hello,

> >

> > I recall a verse from Deva keralam that goes

> > something

> > like

> >

> > When shani is traiting over natal moon ( Sade-sati),

> > the dasha of shani is bad and that of rahu is even

> > worse. I will look up the exact verse and

> > translation

> > tonight. The native will have shani going over his

> > natal moon shortly and is in rahi-shani dasha. it is

> > going to be challenging in my opinion.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> >

>

>

>

>

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Dear Anup,

Just spend some time thinking over 4:10 logic.

We say a planet is malefic if it has less than 4 bindus.

So any planet in 4th from that with more than 4 bindus then this

planet will control, as 10th place is the place of authority from a

house and the planet residing in the 10th house is the boss or acting

like boss and on top of that if he is malefic means a strict boss and

if his subordinate is a nice chap, sincere and hard working so a

planet with more than 4 bindus then such a subordinate will help the boss.

Hope that is clear.

Cheers !!!

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, " Anup. M "

<dalh_1 wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Well said..No words really! we always need these

logics .

> I have few things in my mind regarding this.When Saturn in 12th

house opposes 9th,

> is this due to aspect and if so then this sld also oppose 6th

house also.

> In lesson 33, it is also written that any planet with low points

controls the 4th house.

> Is this specific for Saturn only?

> Retro planets may give effects as explained by you but when a

planet is retro ,this always goes away from its specific orbital

placement , i may say that this starts debiliting for

> native at that moment and you said this enhances the houses in

reverse by its aspect.

> So the whole concept is same and understandable.

>

> Thanxs Ash.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Satish,

> What is the logic behind this phenomenon, why has Mars and Rahu antra

> have been highlighted?

>

> I will share my thoughts.

>

> As per KAS we are saying that Sa when it transits 0 points then it

> gives problems similarly with Mars when it transits over 0 points.

> They are natural malefics.

>

> Now for Sade-Sati we are saying that if the bindus of Sa is more than

> 3 then not to worry much.

>

> If bindu of Sa is less than 3 then it will oppose. So lets take each

> house. Sa over 12th from moon means it will oppose 9th house and have

> its influence over 3rd house. So here one will face a tough time and

> not be fortunate at the same time he will have to work very hard.

> Then Sa will come over 1st house so if Sa's bindus are again less than

> 3 then it will oppose 10th house and have its control over 4th house,

> so here, the natives might face problems w.r.t authority, and the

> results of the parakram might not be enjoyed of the natives might make

> mistakes in his or her actions that might cause some problems w.r.t

> happiness.

> Then Saturn will come over 2nd house from Moon so that time it will

> oppose 11th hosue and have its control over 5th house. So here there

> will be obstruction to income and success and the natives who are

> taking risks and going for easy income might face problems.

> Again moon is mind so all these things have to do with mind.

>

> Now if u study the same from karaktwa view point, so Sa in 12th from

> moon means there will be opposition to 9th house and 9th is karak for

> 2nd house so again the native might face trobles from relatives and

> wealth.

>

> Next if Sa is over moon then 10th house will be opposed and 10th is

> karak for parakram and 3rd house and finally, Sa over 2nd from moon

> means its opposing 11th hosue and 11th is A for 4th house so results

> in less happiness.

>

> Now also we add Sa and Ju both points together and then everything

> changes.

>

> Now as per this verse quoted by you, I am not clear on Mars or Rahu's

> role on why a native will face more troubles in those areas?

>

> Why not other planets? What is the logic there?

>

> Can you please share your thoughts.

>

> Satish, w.r.t to your other mail on Retro planets, just check the

> chart of Rashmi. He has 3 or 4 retro planets and he is very rich.

>

> As per KAS I forgot to reply, we say that Retro planets enhance the

> house they aspect but in reverse direction.

>

> Means lets take Sa is Retro and in 7th house, so it will enhance 5th,

> 1st and 10th house of the chart this is for enhancement of results and

> nothing to do with timing.

>

> Similarly Mars say in retro and in 8th house then it will enhance 5th,

> 1st and 2nd house.

>

> So like that. Just observe this in many charts.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > Here is the verse from devakeralam

> >

> > Verse 3806:

> >

> > Janme shanisthithe kaale nanavyakulsambhavam

> > kujabhuktau phalam satyam rahu bhuktau visheshatah!

> >

> > Saturn coming in transit on the sign occupied by moon

> > will cause various types of angush in the sub period

> > of mars and much more so in the sub period of rahu.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I recall a verse from Deva keralam that goes

> > > something

> > > like

> > >

> > > When shani is traiting over natal moon ( Sade-sati),

> > > the dasha of shani is bad and that of rahu is even

> > > worse. I will look up the exact verse and

> > > translation

> > > tonight. The native will have shani going over his

> > > natal moon shortly and is in rahi-shani dasha. it is

> > > going to be challenging in my opinion.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Ramesh,

 

Here I am talking about Transit Sa and not normal 4:10 in natal chart

and things like that.

 

So when we are finding the Rasi WS power then we are using natal chart

but this is transit so here its differnt as there is no power transfer.

 

How we consider Sa and Ju points, so if Sa is in 12th from moon and it

has 3 points there then if Ju is going over another house with 5

bindus then total will be 8 right.

 

Please understand the difference here.

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, ramesh mishra

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> Dear Ash, Anup and Satish,

> Very nice discussion is going on. We must be thankful to Ash who

gives very logic statement out of his busy schedule.

> I would like to ask few doubts concerning this topic.

> When Sa transits in 12th, in 1st and in 2nd from Moon we say sade

saati is going on.

> Take for example when it is in 12th from Moon and Sa has < 3

bindus during its transition period.

> His aspect to 9th house should be a benefic and similarly to 2nd

and 6th house.

> The 4th house from Sa will be in his control. The 4th house from

Sa may be in danger because he may snatches the points from planets

therein.

> But how this will oppose 9th and 2nd and why not 6th ?

> In fact he should help these houses due to benefic aspect.

> Similarly Sa transiting over Mo and 2nd from Mo.

> Similar concept might be for Ma and Ra during its transition

period as Satish pointed out or mentioned.

> Now regarding retroplanets.When a planet is retrograted it

diminishes its natural characteristics and behave differently as a

stupid person. So during its retrogression we should not expect good

results from these planets.

> As mentioned in VA the retrograted planets cast his aspect from

the previous house/sign also.

> This is my concept I may be wrong also.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ash,

>

> Well said..No words really! we always need these logics .

> I have few things in my mind regarding this.When Saturn in 12th

house opposes 9th,

> is this due to aspect and if so then this sld also oppose 6th house

also.

> In lesson 33, it is also written that any planet with low points

controls the 4th house.

> Is this specific for Saturn only?

> Retro planets may give effects as explained by you but when a planet

is retro ,this always goes away from its specific orbital placement ,

i may say that this starts debiliting for

> native at that moment and you said this enhances the houses in

reverse by its aspect.

> So the whole concept is same and understandable.

>

> Thanxs Ash.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Satish,

> What is the logic behind this phenomenon, why has Mars and Rahu antra

> have been highlighted?

>

> I will share my thoughts.

>

> As per KAS we are saying that Sa when it transits 0 points then it

> gives problems similarly with Mars when it transits over 0 points.

> They are natural malefics.

>

> Now for Sade-Sati we are saying that if the bindus of Sa is more than

> 3 then not to worry much.

>

> If bindu of Sa is less than 3 then it will oppose. So lets take each

> house. Sa over 12th from moon means it will oppose 9th house and have

> its influence over 3rd house. So here one will face a tough time and

> not be fortunate at the same time he will have to work very hard.

> Then Sa will come over 1st house so if Sa's bindus are again less than

> 3 then it will oppose 10th house and have its control over 4th house,

> so here, the natives might face problems w.r.t authority, and the

> results of the parakram might not be enjoyed of the natives might make

> mistakes in his or her actions that might cause some problems w.r.t

> happiness.

> Then Saturn will come over 2nd house from Moon so that time it will

> oppose 11th hosue and have its control over 5th house. So here there

> will be obstruction to income and success and the natives who are

> taking risks and going for easy income might face problems.

> Again moon is mind so all these things have to do with mind.

>

> Now if u study the same from karaktwa view point, so Sa in 12th from

> moon means there will be opposition to 9th house and 9th is karak for

> 2nd house so again the native might face trobles from relatives and

> wealth.

>

> Next if Sa is over moon then 10th house will be opposed and 10th is

> karak for parakram and 3rd house and finally, Sa over 2nd from moon

> means its opposing 11th hosue and 11th is A for 4th house so results

> in less happiness.

>

> Now also we add Sa and Ju both points together and then everything

> changes.

>

> Now as per this verse quoted by you, I am not clear on Mars or Rahu's

> role on why a native will face more troubles in those areas?

>

> Why not other planets? What is the logic there?

>

> Can you please share your thoughts.

>

> Satish, w.r.t to your other mail on Retro planets, just check the

> chart of Rashmi. He has 3 or 4 retro planets and he is very rich.

>

> As per KAS I forgot to reply, we say that Retro planets enhance the

> house they aspect but in reverse direction.

>

> Means lets take Sa is Retro and in 7th house, so it will enhance 5th,

> 1st and 10th house of the chart this is for enhancement of results and

> nothing to do with timing.

>

> Similarly Mars say in retro and in 8th house then it will enhance 5th,

> 1st and 2nd house.

>

> So like that. Just observe this in many charts.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > Here is the verse from devakeralam

> >

> > Verse 3806:

> >

> > Janme shanisthithe kaale nanavyakulsambhavam

> > kujabhuktau phalam satyam rahu bhuktau visheshatah!

> >

> > Saturn coming in transit on the sign occupied by moon

> > will cause various types of angush in the sub period

> > of mars and much more so in the sub period of rahu.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I recall a verse from Deva keralam that goes

> > > something

> > > like

> > >

> > > When shani is traiting over natal moon ( Sade-sati),

> > > the dasha of shani is bad and that of rahu is even

> > > worse. I will look up the exact verse and

> > > translation

> > > tonight. The native will have shani going over his

> > > natal moon shortly and is in rahi-shani dasha. it is

> > > going to be challenging in my opinion.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Ash,

I think you did not understand my point. Please re-read my doubts.

I was also talking about transit of Sa only and not about transit of Ju.

As you said transit Sa in 12th from Moon will oppose 9th house when Sa has < 3

bindus during its transition period.

I am to ask why this Sa will oppose only 9th house , why not 2nd and 6th.

In turn it should give positive result for all these houses due to its benefic

aspect during its transit.

You mentioned about the effect of 3rd house. 3rd house is 4th from 12th house

so naturally it becomes 4:10 relationship .

Please have note that I am also talking about transit of Sa and nothing else.

Hope my query is understood to you this time.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

 

Here I am talking about Transit Sa and not normal 4:10 in natal chart

and things like that.

 

So when we are finding the Rasi WS power then we are using natal chart

but this is transit so here its differnt as there is no power transfer.

 

How we consider Sa and Ju points, so if Sa is in 12th from moon and it

has 3 points there then if Ju is going over another house with 5

bindus then total will be 8 right.

 

Please understand the difference here.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

, ramesh mishra

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> Dear Ash, Anup and Satish,

> Very nice discussion is going on. We must be thankful to Ash who

gives very logic statement out of his busy schedule.

> I would like to ask few doubts concerning this topic.

> When Sa transits in 12th, in 1st and in 2nd from Moon we say sade

saati is going on.

> Take for example when it is in 12th from Moon and Sa has < 3

bindus during its transition period.

> His aspect to 9th house should be a benefic and similarly to 2nd

and 6th house.

> The 4th house from Sa will be in his control. The 4th house from

Sa may be in danger because he may snatches the points from planets

therein.

> But how this will oppose 9th and 2nd and why not 6th ?

> In fact he should help these houses due to benefic aspect.

> Similarly Sa transiting over Mo and 2nd from Mo.

> Similar concept might be for Ma and Ra during its transition

period as Satish pointed out or mentioned.

> Now regarding retroplanets.When a planet is retrograted it

diminishes its natural characteristics and behave differently as a

stupid person. So during its retrogression we should not expect good

results from these planets.

> As mentioned in VA the retrograted planets cast his aspect from

the previous house/sign also.

> This is my concept I may be wrong also.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ash,

>

> Well said..No words really! we always need these logics .

> I have few things in my mind regarding this.When Saturn in 12th

house opposes 9th,

> is this due to aspect and if so then this sld also oppose 6th house

also.

> In lesson 33, it is also written that any planet with low points

controls the 4th house.

> Is this specific for Saturn only?

> Retro planets may give effects as explained by you but when a planet

is retro ,this always goes away from its specific orbital placement ,

i may say that this starts debiliting for

> native at that moment and you said this enhances the houses in

reverse by its aspect.

> So the whole concept is same and understandable.

>

> Thanxs Ash.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Satish,

> What is the logic behind this phenomenon, why has Mars and Rahu antra

> have been highlighted?

>

> I will share my thoughts.

>

> As per KAS we are saying that Sa when it transits 0 points then it

> gives problems similarly with Mars when it transits over 0 points.

> They are natural malefics.

>

> Now for Sade-Sati we are saying that if the bindus of Sa is more than

> 3 then not to worry much.

>

> If bindu of Sa is less than 3 then it will oppose. So lets take each

> house. Sa over 12th from moon means it will oppose 9th house and have

> its influence over 3rd house. So here one will face a tough time and

> not be fortunate at the same time he will have to work very hard.

> Then Sa will come over 1st house so if Sa's bindus are again less than

> 3 then it will oppose 10th house and have its control over 4th house,

> so here, the natives might face problems w.r.t authority, and the

> results of the parakram might not be enjoyed of the natives might make

> mistakes in his or her actions that might cause some problems w.r.t

> happiness.

> Then Saturn will come over 2nd house from Moon so that time it will

> oppose 11th hosue and have its control over 5th house. So here there

> will be obstruction to income and success and the natives who are

> taking risks and going for easy income might face problems.

> Again moon is mind so all these things have to do with mind.

>

> Now if u study the same from karaktwa view point, so Sa in 12th from

> moon means there will be opposition to 9th house and 9th is karak for

> 2nd house so again the native might face trobles from relatives and

> wealth.

>

> Next if Sa is over moon then 10th house will be opposed and 10th is

> karak for parakram and 3rd house and finally, Sa over 2nd from moon

> means its opposing 11th hosue and 11th is A for 4th house so results

> in less happiness.

>

> Now also we add Sa and Ju both points together and then everything

> changes.

>

> Now as per this verse quoted by you, I am not clear on Mars or Rahu's

> role on why a native will face more troubles in those areas?

>

> Why not other planets? What is the logic there?

>

> Can you please share your thoughts.

>

> Satish, w.r.t to your other mail on Retro planets, just check the

> chart of Rashmi. He has 3 or 4 retro planets and he is very rich.

>

> As per KAS I forgot to reply, we say that Retro planets enhance the

> house they aspect but in reverse direction.

>

> Means lets take Sa is Retro and in 7th house, so it will enhance 5th,

> 1st and 10th house of the chart this is for enhancement of results and

> nothing to do with timing.

>

> Similarly Mars say in retro and in 8th house then it will enhance 5th,

> 1st and 2nd house.

>

> So like that. Just observe this in many charts.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > Here is the verse from devakeralam

> >

> > Verse 3806:

> >

> > Janme shanisthithe kaale nanavyakulsambhavam

> > kujabhuktau phalam satyam rahu bhuktau visheshatah!

> >

> > Saturn coming in transit on the sign occupied by moon

> > will cause various types of angush in the sub period

> > of mars and much more so in the sub period of rahu.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I recall a verse from Deva keralam that goes

> > > something

> > > like

> > >

> > > When shani is traiting over natal moon ( Sade-sati),

> > > the dasha of shani is bad and that of rahu is even

> > > worse. I will look up the exact verse and

> > > translation

> > > tonight. The native will have shani going over his

> > > natal moon shortly and is in rahi-shani dasha. it is

> > > going to be challenging in my opinion.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Prafulla,

 

Thanks for your mail. Let me write the points below each of your

points so that way I can highlight the difference / similarities of

the said techniques. Replies below in CAPS.

 

, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Dear Ash / Satish,

>

> Sorry for jumping in the thread.

 

ASH : PLEASE MAKE MORE CONTRIBUTIONS PRAFULLA THAT WILL HELP BRING ALL

THESE DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES THAT SO MANY CLASSICS USE ELUCIDATED USING

KAS. OR ATLEAST I CAN DEFINITELY TRY WITH MY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF KAS.

 

> Devkaralam - does not talk of retro planets to be looked from

previous sign; but yes - bhrigu nadi do consider retro planet from

previous sign(e.g. guru retro in 5th house in sag - then it will be

considered from 4th house vrischaka). There is another overrider in

the method - of using progression with it; so such guru will be

considered in vrischaka - only until it is retro in progression.

 

ASH : NO WHAT U ARE SAYING HERE IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I HAVE SAID.

I CANNOT COMMENT ON THE AUTHENTICITY OF DEVAKERALAM OR ANY OTHER BOOK

BUT I CAN TELL U HOW WE STUDY THE SIMILAR THING FROM KAS.

 

FIRST THING FIRST IS TO SEPARATE TIMING OF EVENT FROM QUALITY OF

EVENT. I HAVE NOT COME ACROSS ANY BOOK THAT TALKS ON THIS DIFFERENCE.

IF U HAVE READ THIS ANYWHERE PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND THAT WILL HELP ME

LEARN.

 

RETRO PLANETS ENHANCE THE HOUSE THEY ASPECT BUT IN REVERSE AND THIS

HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH TIMING OF EVENT. FOR TIMING OF EVENT WE

ARE USING THE WS WHERE WE CONSIDER THE ASPECT OF SATURN IN FORWARD

DIRECTION ONLY. SO THERE IS NO CHANGE THERE. SO IS A HUGE

DIFFERENCE. THAT IS WHY I THINK IN ONE LESSON KRUSHANJI HAS MENTIONED

ABOUT RETRO PLANET AND I THINK ITS THE LESSON ON CHILD BIRTH.

 

ABOUT BRIGHU NADI, I DO NOT KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE

NADIS AS WE USE IN KAS. SO THAT IS DIFFERENT AND I WONT GET INTO

THAT. SO AS FAR AS SYSTEM OF KAS WHICH INCLUDES NADIS AND TIMING OF

EVENTS PORTION APART FROM OTHER THINGS, WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT

RETRO PLANETS ENHANCE THE HOUSE THAT THEY ASPECT IN REVERSE DIRECTION.

 

WHAT U ARE SAYING IS THAT TAKE THE PLANET 1 SIGN BEFORE AND WHAT I AM

SAYING IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

 

LETS TAKE RETRO SATURN IN 5TH HOUSE AND SAY ITS WITH 2 BINDUS. SO FOR

TIMING OF EVENT IT WILL ASPECT 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE AND WITH +6

BINDUS SO THE POWER OF SATURN IN THE WS FOR 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE

WILL GO UP. SO THAT PORTION IS FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. WE ALSO SAY

THAT IF ANY PLANET ASPECT HOUSE A , B OR C THEN ITSELF CAN'T GIVE

RESULTS AND THEIR SD WILL GIVE. ALL THIS IS FOR TIMING OF EVENTS.

 

NOW SINCE SA IS RETRO AND IN 5TH HOUSE HERE WE DO NOT CONSIDER ANY

BINDUS OR ANYTHING AS THIS IS TO DO MORE WITH QUALITY AND NOT TIMING.

SO HERE SA RETRO IN 5TH HOUSE THEN IT WILL

 

1) ENHANCE 3RD HOUSE MEANS 3RD ASPECT IN REVERSE SO IT WILL ENHANCE

3RD HOUSE

2) ENHANCE 8TH HOUSE MEANS 10TH ASPECT IN REVERSE

3) ENHANCE 11TH HOUSE MEANS 7TH ASPECT.

 

 

SO LET ME SUMMARISE

 

A) TIMING OF EVENTS - WE CONSIDER BINDU AND NORMAL ASPECT SO SA RETRO

IN 5TH WILL ASPECT 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE

B) QUALITY - WILL ENHANCE 3RD, 11TH AND 8TH HOUSE.

 

 

Coming to read rahu rahu like saturn per devakeralam - it is

santhanam's commentary that - likewise malefic rahu can also be read;

and also that if guru is transiting over natal moon - then malefic

results. Devekeralam - here uses D9 chart not the D1.

 

ASH : SHAVI VAT RAHU KUJA VAT KETU, YES I AM AWARE OF THAT AND WE

ALREADY USE THAT IN THE VIMSHOTTARI DASHA CALCULATIONS, OTHERWISE HOW

RAHU CAN GET 18 YEARS AND KETU GETS 7 YEARS. SO THAT IS BASIC. BUT

RAHU IS NOT EXACTLY SATURN NOR IS KETU EXACTLY LIKE MARS EITHER OR WE

CAN SAY ITS " MORE LIKE " IN NATURAL NATURE. WE USE THAT IN CHART

MATCHING AS WELL WHEN WE SAY THAT MALE'S RA AND SA ASPECT GIRLS MARS

THEN THERE IS MORE ATTRACTION SO HERE WE USE IT IN KAS AS WELL.

 

SO IN THAT COMMENTARY THAT SATISH GAVE, WHY MARS AND RAHU ARE GIVEN

AND NOT MARS AND KETU IF KETU IS MORE LIKE MARS OR FOR THAT MATTER WHY

NOT MARS AND SATURN OR MARS AND SATURN AND RAHU?

 

THAT IS WHY I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC ON WHY MARS AND RAHU HAVE

BEEN MENTIONED.

 

ACTUALLY PRAFULLY, WHEN U ARE PURELY TAKING TRANSIT OF A PLANET IN

NADI THEN U ARE CONSIDERING ALL 16 D CHARTS ATLEAST THATS THE IDEA I

HAVE IN MY MIND WHEN I HAVE TALKED TO KRUSHANJI. JU TRANSITING SAY AT

22 SCORPIO 42 MEANS THAT JU IS IN DURUDHARA NADI AND BASED ON THE

NATAL CHART IT HAS A LOT OF MEANING ON HOW THIS JUPITER WILL ACT. NOW

IN DURUDHARA NADI AND IN THIS NADI THIS GURU WILL BE DOMINATED BY THE

INFLUENCE OF JU, MA AND SUN AND HERE I HAVE CONSIDERED ALL 16 D CHARTS

AND NOT JUST NAVAMSA.

 

>

> In KAS - as you mentioned - that KAS aspects in reverse direction.

Can you explain this with an example. Or is it so that - saturn retro

in 5th house now will aspect 3rds house and 9th house. Â

>

 

ASH : OK. TAKE RASHMI'S CHART. YOU CAN FIND HIS DATA. NOW HE HAS

SA RETRO, JU RETRO AND ME RETRO.

 

NOW WHEN U CAST THE CHARTING USING KAS PROGRAM THEN THAT IS FOR TIMING

OF EVENT AND FROM THAT U CAN GET POWER OF PLANEST AND THERE WE USE

THINGS AS PER LESSON.

 

NOW QUALITY IS DIFFERENT AS I HAVE ALWAYS EMPHASIZED. HERE SA® IS

IN 8TH HOUSE SO IT WILL ENHANCE 5TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE.

 

JU® WILL ENHANCE 1ST 11TH AND 9TH HOUSE (9TH, 7TH AND 5TH ASPECT

RESPECTIVELY).

 

ME ® WILL ENHANCE 7TH HOUSE.

 

OFCOURSE HIS CHART HAS ALSO BLESSINGS ETC SO THAT IS DIFFERENT,

3:6:10:11 POINTS ARE ALL GOOD ETC. SO THE COMBINED EFFECT OF ALL THAT.

 

HOPE ITS CLEAR.

 

CHEERS !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.prafulla.net

>

> " Speak without offending,listen without defending "

> ************************************************

>

>

> ashsam73

> Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:19:39 -0000

>

> Sade - Sati and Retro as per KAS

and combined.

> Dear Satish,

> What is the logic behind this phenomenon, why has Mars and Rahu antra

> have been highlighted?

>

> I will share my thoughts.

>

> As per KAS we are saying that Sa when it transits 0 points then it

> gives problems similarly with Mars when it transits over 0 points.

> They are natural malefics.

>

> Now for Sade-Sati we are saying that if the bindus of Sa is more than

> 3 then not to worry much.

>

> If bindu of Sa is less than 3 then it will oppose. So lets take each

> house. Sa over 12th from moon means it will oppose 9th house and have

> its influence over 3rd house. So here one will face a tough time and

> not be fortunate at the same time he will have to work very hard.

> Then Sa will come over 1st house so if Sa's bindus are again less than

> 3 then it will oppose 10th house and have its control over 4th house,

> so here, the natives might face problems w.r.t authority, and the

> results of the parakram might not be enjoyed of the natives might make

> mistakes in his or her actions that might cause some problems w.r.t

> happiness.

> Then Saturn will come over 2nd house from Moon so that time it will

> oppose 11th hosue and have its control over 5th house. So here there

> will be obstruction to income and success and the natives who are

> taking risks and going for easy income might face problems.

> Again moon is mind so all these things have to do with mind.

>

> Now if u study the same from karaktwa view point, so Sa in 12th from

> moon means there will be opposition to 9th house and 9th is karak for

> 2nd house so again the native might face trobles from relatives and

> wealth.

>

> Next if Sa is over moon then 10th house will be opposed and 10th is

> karak for parakram and 3rd house and finally, Sa over 2nd from moon

> means its opposing 11th hosue and 11th is A for 4th house so results

> in less happiness.

>

> Now also we add Sa and Ju both points together and then everything

> changes.

>

> Now as per this verse quoted by you, I am not clear on Mars or Rahu's

> role on why a native will face more troubles in those areas?

>

> Why not other planets? What is the logic there?

>

> Can you please share your thoughts.

>

> Satish, w.r.t to your other mail on Retro planets, just check the

> chart of Rashmi. He has 3 or 4 retro planets and he is very rich.

>

> As per KAS I forgot to reply, we say that Retro planets enhance the

> house they aspect but in reverse direction.

>

> Means lets take Sa is Retro and in 7th house, so it will enhance 5th,

> 1st and 10th house of the chart this is for enhancement of results and

> nothing to do with timing.

>

> Similarly Mars say in retro and in 8th house then it will enhance 5th,

> 1st and 2nd house.

>

> So like that. Just observe this in many charts.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca [http://www.ashtro.ca]

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > Here is the verse from devakeralam

> >

> > Verse 3806:

> >

> > Janme shanisthithe kaale nanavyakulsambhavam

> > kujabhuktau phalam satyam rahu bhuktau visheshatah!

> >

> > Saturn coming in transit on the sign occupied by moon

> > will cause various types of angush in the sub period

> > of mars and much more so in the sub period of rahu.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I recall a verse from Deva keralam that goes

> > > something

> > > like

> > >

> > > When shani is traiting over natal moon ( Sade-sati),

> > > the dasha of shani is bad and that of rahu is even

> > > worse. I will look up the exact verse and

> > > translation

> > > tonight. The native will have shani going over his

> > > natal moon shortly and is in rahi-shani dasha. it is

> > > going to be challenging in my opinion.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Ramesh,

Do we cast WS for transit planets? How u are taking aspect on 2nd

house and telling it will aspect it benefically? In natal chart yes,

but in Transit chart ?

 

Here I am using 4:10.

 

Cheers !!!

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, ramesh mishra

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

> I think you did not understand my point. Please re-read my doubts.

> I was also talking about transit of Sa only and not about transit

of Ju.

> As you said transit Sa in 12th from Moon will oppose 9th house

when Sa has < 3 bindus during its transition period.

> I am to ask why this Sa will oppose only 9th house , why not 2nd

and 6th.

> In turn it should give positive result for all these houses due to

its benefic aspect during its transit.

> You mentioned about the effect of 3rd house. 3rd house is 4th from

12th house

> so naturally it becomes 4:10 relationship .

> Please have note that I am also talking about transit of Sa and

nothing else.

> Hope my query is understood to you this time.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> Here I am talking about Transit Sa and not normal 4:10 in natal chart

> and things like that.

>

> So when we are finding the Rasi WS power then we are using natal chart

> but this is transit so here its differnt as there is no power transfer.

>

> How we consider Sa and Ju points, so if Sa is in 12th from moon and it

> has 3 points there then if Ju is going over another house with 5

> bindus then total will be 8 right.

>

> Please understand the difference here.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , ramesh mishra

> <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash, Anup and Satish,

> > Very nice discussion is going on. We must be thankful to Ash who

> gives very logic statement out of his busy schedule.

> > I would like to ask few doubts concerning this topic.

> > When Sa transits in 12th, in 1st and in 2nd from Moon we say sade

> saati is going on.

> > Take for example when it is in 12th from Moon and Sa has < 3

> bindus during its transition period.

> > His aspect to 9th house should be a benefic and similarly to 2nd

> and 6th house.

> > The 4th house from Sa will be in his control. The 4th house from

> Sa may be in danger because he may snatches the points from planets

> therein.

> > But how this will oppose 9th and 2nd and why not 6th ?

> > In fact he should help these houses due to benefic aspect.

> > Similarly Sa transiting over Mo and 2nd from Mo.

> > Similar concept might be for Ma and Ra during its transition

> period as Satish pointed out or mentioned.

> > Now regarding retroplanets.When a planet is retrograted it

> diminishes its natural characteristics and behave differently as a

> stupid person. So during its retrogression we should not expect good

> results from these planets.

> > As mentioned in VA the retrograted planets cast his aspect from

> the previous house/sign also.

> > This is my concept I may be wrong also.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Well said..No words really! we always need these logics .

> > I have few things in my mind regarding this.When Saturn in 12th

> house opposes 9th,

> > is this due to aspect and if so then this sld also oppose 6th house

> also.

> > In lesson 33, it is also written that any planet with low points

> controls the 4th house.

> > Is this specific for Saturn only?

> > Retro planets may give effects as explained by you but when a planet

> is retro ,this always goes away from its specific orbital placement ,

> i may say that this starts debiliting for

> > native at that moment and you said this enhances the houses in

> reverse by its aspect.

> > So the whole concept is same and understandable.

> >

> > Thanxs Ash.

> >

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > Dear Satish,

> > What is the logic behind this phenomenon, why has Mars and Rahu antra

> > have been highlighted?

> >

> > I will share my thoughts.

> >

> > As per KAS we are saying that Sa when it transits 0 points then it

> > gives problems similarly with Mars when it transits over 0 points.

> > They are natural malefics.

> >

> > Now for Sade-Sati we are saying that if the bindus of Sa is more than

> > 3 then not to worry much.

> >

> > If bindu of Sa is less than 3 then it will oppose. So lets take each

> > house. Sa over 12th from moon means it will oppose 9th house and have

> > its influence over 3rd house. So here one will face a tough time and

> > not be fortunate at the same time he will have to work very hard.

> > Then Sa will come over 1st house so if Sa's bindus are again less than

> > 3 then it will oppose 10th house and have its control over 4th house,

> > so here, the natives might face problems w.r.t authority, and the

> > results of the parakram might not be enjoyed of the natives might make

> > mistakes in his or her actions that might cause some problems w.r.t

> > happiness.

> > Then Saturn will come over 2nd house from Moon so that time it will

> > oppose 11th hosue and have its control over 5th house. So here there

> > will be obstruction to income and success and the natives who are

> > taking risks and going for easy income might face problems.

> > Again moon is mind so all these things have to do with mind.

> >

> > Now if u study the same from karaktwa view point, so Sa in 12th from

> > moon means there will be opposition to 9th house and 9th is karak for

> > 2nd house so again the native might face trobles from relatives and

> > wealth.

> >

> > Next if Sa is over moon then 10th house will be opposed and 10th is

> > karak for parakram and 3rd house and finally, Sa over 2nd from moon

> > means its opposing 11th hosue and 11th is A for 4th house so results

> > in less happiness.

> >

> > Now also we add Sa and Ju both points together and then everything

> > changes.

> >

> > Now as per this verse quoted by you, I am not clear on Mars or Rahu's

> > role on why a native will face more troubles in those areas?

> >

> > Why not other planets? What is the logic there?

> >

> > Can you please share your thoughts.

> >

> > Satish, w.r.t to your other mail on Retro planets, just check the

> > chart of Rashmi. He has 3 or 4 retro planets and he is very rich.

> >

> > As per KAS I forgot to reply, we say that Retro planets enhance the

> > house they aspect but in reverse direction.

> >

> > Means lets take Sa is Retro and in 7th house, so it will enhance 5th,

> > 1st and 10th house of the chart this is for enhancement of results and

> > nothing to do with timing.

> >

> > Similarly Mars say in retro and in 8th house then it will enhance 5th,

> > 1st and 2nd house.

> >

> > So like that. Just observe this in many charts.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > Here is the verse from devakeralam

> > >

> > > Verse 3806:

> > >

> > > Janme shanisthithe kaale nanavyakulsambhavam

> > > kujabhuktau phalam satyam rahu bhuktau visheshatah!

> > >

> > > Saturn coming in transit on the sign occupied by moon

> > > will cause various types of angush in the sub period

> > > of mars and much more so in the sub period of rahu.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > I recall a verse from Deva keralam that goes

> > > > something

> > > > like

> > > >

> > > > When shani is traiting over natal moon ( Sade-sati),

> > > > the dasha of shani is bad and that of rahu is even

> > > > worse. I will look up the exact verse and

> > > > translation

> > > > tonight. The native will have shani going over his

> > > > natal moon shortly and is in rahi-shani dasha. it is

> > > > going to be challenging in my opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Ash,

 

I got it...yes, we are nt talking aspect here .....but

4:10, no doubt...:)

thanxs...

 

Regards

Anup

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Anup,

Just spend some time thinking over 4:10 logic.

We say a planet is malefic if it has less than 4 bindus.

So any planet in 4th from that with more than 4 bindus then this

planet will control, as 10th place is the place of authority from a

house and the planet residing in the 10th house is the boss or acting

like boss and on top of that if he is malefic means a strict boss and

if his subordinate is a nice chap, sincere and hard working so a

planet with more than 4 bindus then such a subordinate will help the boss.

Hope that is clear.

Cheers !!!

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, " Anup. M "

<dalh_1 wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Well said..No words really! we always need these

logics .

> I have few things in my mind regarding this.When Saturn in 12th

house opposes 9th,

> is this due to aspect and if so then this sld also oppose 6th

house also.

> In lesson 33, it is also written that any planet with low points

controls the 4th house.

> Is this specific for Saturn only?

> Retro planets may give effects as explained by you but when a

planet is retro ,this always goes away from its specific orbital

placement , i may say that this starts debiliting for

> native at that moment and you said this enhances the houses in

reverse by its aspect.

> So the whole concept is same and understandable.

>

> Thanxs Ash.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Satish,

> What is the logic behind this phenomenon, why has Mars and Rahu antra

> have been highlighted?

>

> I will share my thoughts.

>

> As per KAS we are saying that Sa when it transits 0 points then it

> gives problems similarly with Mars when it transits over 0 points.

> They are natural malefics.

>

> Now for Sade-Sati we are saying that if the bindus of Sa is more than

> 3 then not to worry much.

>

> If bindu of Sa is less than 3 then it will oppose. So lets take each

> house. Sa over 12th from moon means it will oppose 9th house and have

> its influence over 3rd house. So here one will face a tough time and

> not be fortunate at the same time he will have to work very hard.

> Then Sa will come over 1st house so if Sa's bindus are again less than

> 3 then it will oppose 10th house and have its control over 4th house,

> so here, the natives might face problems w.r.t authority, and the

> results of the parakram might not be enjoyed of the natives might make

> mistakes in his or her actions that might cause some problems w.r.t

> happiness.

> Then Saturn will come over 2nd house from Moon so that time it will

> oppose 11th hosue and have its control over 5th house. So here there

> will be obstruction to income and success and the natives who are

> taking risks and going for easy income might face problems.

> Again moon is mind so all these things have to do with mind.

>

> Now if u study the same from karaktwa view point, so Sa in 12th from

> moon means there will be opposition to 9th house and 9th is karak for

> 2nd house so again the native might face trobles from relatives and

> wealth.

>

> Next if Sa is over moon then 10th house will be opposed and 10th is

> karak for parakram and 3rd house and finally, Sa over 2nd from moon

> means its opposing 11th hosue and 11th is A for 4th house so results

> in less happiness.

>

> Now also we add Sa and Ju both points together and then everything

> changes.

>

> Now as per this verse quoted by you, I am not clear on Mars or Rahu's

> role on why a native will face more troubles in those areas?

>

> Why not other planets? What is the logic there?

>

> Can you please share your thoughts.

>

> Satish, w.r.t to your other mail on Retro planets, just check the

> chart of Rashmi. He has 3 or 4 retro planets and he is very rich.

>

> As per KAS I forgot to reply, we say that Retro planets enhance the

> house they aspect but in reverse direction.

>

> Means lets take Sa is Retro and in 7th house, so it will enhance 5th,

> 1st and 10th house of the chart this is for enhancement of results and

> nothing to do with timing.

>

> Similarly Mars say in retro and in 8th house then it will enhance 5th,

> 1st and 2nd house.

>

> So like that. Just observe this in many charts.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > Here is the verse from devakeralam

> >

> > Verse 3806:

> >

> > Janme shanisthithe kaale nanavyakulsambhavam

> > kujabhuktau phalam satyam rahu bhuktau visheshatah!

> >

> > Saturn coming in transit on the sign occupied by moon

> > will cause various types of angush in the sub period

> > of mars and much more so in the sub period of rahu.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I recall a verse from Deva keralam that goes

> > > something

> > > like

> > >

> > > When shani is traiting over natal moon ( Sade-sati),

> > > the dasha of shani is bad and that of rahu is even

> > > worse. I will look up the exact verse and

> > > translation

> > > tonight. The native will have shani going over his

> > > natal moon shortly and is in rahi-shani dasha. it is

> > > going to be challenging in my opinion.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Ash,

 

>ASH : PLEASE MAKE MORE CONTRIBUTIONS PRAFULLA THAT WILL HELP BRING ALL

>THESE DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES THAT SO MANY CLASSICS USE ELUCIDATED USING

>KAS. OR ATLEAST I CAN DEFINITELY TRY WITH MY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF KAS.

 

[PG]Many thanks Ash. I certainly look forward to contribute.

 

 

> Devkaralam - does not talk of retro planets to be looked from

>previous sign; but yes - bhrigu nadi do consider retro planet from

>previous sign(e.g. guru retro in 5th house in sag - then it will be

>considered from 4th house vrischaka). There is another overrider in

>the method - of using progression with it; so such guru will be

>considered in vrischaka - only until it is retro in progression.

 

>ASH : NO WHAT U ARE SAYING HERE IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I HAVE SAID.

>I CANNOT COMMENT ON THE AUTHENTICITY OF DEVAKERALAM OR ANY OTHER BOOK

>BUT I CAN TELL U HOW WE STUDY THE SIMILAR THING FROM KAS.

 

>FIRST THING FIRST IS TO SEPARATE TIMING OF EVENT FROM QUALITY OF

>EVENT. I HAVE NOT COME ACROSS ANY BOOK THAT TALKS ON THIS DIFFERENCE.

>IF U HAVE READ THIS ANYWHERE PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND THAT WILL HELP ME

>LEARN.

 

[Prafulla] I agree with you, that quality of event, certainly has to be

distinguished from timing of events. KAS is perfectly based on fundamentals, as

15 years back - I recall meeting with a traditionalist (panchanghkarta), who did

elaborated the role of respective 8th house for any bhava (his reasoning of 8th

house has been the base premise of 8th house as origin - " the pinda " ).

 

>RETRO PLANETS ENHANCE THE HOUSE THEY ASPECT BUT IN REVERSE AND THIS

>HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH TIMING OF EVENT. FOR TIMING OF EVENT WE

>ARE USING THE WS WHERE WE CONSIDER THE ASPECT OF SATURN IN FORWARD

>DIRECTION ONLY. SO THERE IS NO CHANGE THERE. SO IS A HUGE

>DIFFERENCE. THAT IS WHY I THINK IN ONE LESSON KRUSHANJI HAS MENTIONED

>ABOUT RETRO PLANET AND I THINK ITS THE LESSON ON CHILD BIRTH.

 

[Prafulla] - yes, retro planets are mentioned as aspecting direct for timing of

events. I was just referencing - how Nadi has quoted.

 

>ABOUT BRIGHU NADI, I DO NOT KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE

>NADIS AS WE USE IN KAS. SO THAT IS DIFFERENT AND I WONT GET INTO

>THAT. SO AS FAR AS SYSTEM OF KAS WHICH INCLUDES NADIS AND TIMING OF

>EVENTS PORTION APART FROM OTHER THINGS, WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT

>RETRO PLANETS ENHANCE THE HOUSE THAT THEY ASPECT IN REVERSE DIRECTION.

 

 

>WHAT U ARE SAYING IS THAT TAKE THE PLANET 1 SIGN BEFORE AND WHAT I AM

>SAYING IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

 

>LETS TAKE RETRO SATURN IN 5TH HOUSE AND SAY ITS WITH 2 BINDUS. SO FOR

>TIMING OF EVENT IT WILL ASPECT 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE AND WITH +6

>BINDUS SO THE POWER OF SATURN IN THE WS FOR 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE

>WILL GO UP. SO THAT PORTION IS FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. WE ALSO SAY

>THAT IF ANY PLANET ASPECT HOUSE A , B OR C THEN ITSELF CAN'T GIVE

>RESULTS AND THEIR SD WILL GIVE. ALL THIS IS FOR TIMING OF EVENTS.

 

>NOW SINCE SA IS RETRO AND IN 5TH HOUSE HERE WE DO NOT CONSIDER ANY

>BINDUS OR ANYTHING AS THIS IS TO DO MORE WITH QUALITY AND NOT TIMING.

>SO HERE SA RETRO IN 5TH HOUSE THEN IT WILL

 

>1) ENHANCE 3RD HOUSE MEANS 3RD ASPECT IN REVERSE SO IT WILL ENHANCE

3RD HOUSE

>2) ENHANCE 8TH HOUSE MEANS 10TH ASPECT IN REVERSE

>3) ENHANCE 11TH HOUSE MEANS 7TH ASPECT.

 

>SO LET ME SUMMARISE

 

>A) TIMING OF EVENTS - WE CONSIDER BINDU AND NORMAL ASPECT SO SA RETRO

>IN 5TH WILL ASPECT 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE

>B) QUALITY - WILL ENHANCE 3RD, 11TH AND 8TH HOUSE.

 

[Prafulla] - Understood..quite clear now. Many thanks once again.

 

 

>Coming to read rahu rahu like saturn per devakeralam - it is

>santhanam's commentary that - likewise malefic rahu can also be read;

>and also that if guru is transiting over natal moon - then malefic

>results. Devekeralam - here uses D9 chart not the D1.

 

>ASH : SHAVI VAT RAHU KUJA VAT KETU, YES I AM AWARE OF THAT AND WE

>ALREADY USE THAT IN THE VIMSHOTTARI DASHA CALCULATIONS, OTHERWISE HOW

>RAHU CAN GET 18 YEARS AND KETU GETS 7 YEARS. SO THAT IS BASIC. BUT

>RAHU IS NOT EXACTLY SATURN NOR IS KETU EXACTLY LIKE MARS EITHER OR WE

>CAN SAY ITS " MORE LIKE " IN NATURAL NATURE. WE USE THAT IN CHART

>MATCHING AS WELL WHEN WE SAY THAT MALE'S RA AND SA ASPECT GIRLS MARS

>THEN THERE IS MORE ATTRACTION SO HERE WE USE IT IN KAS AS WELL.

 

>SO IN THAT COMMENTARY THAT SATISH GAVE, WHY MARS AND RAHU ARE GIVEN

>AND NOT MARS AND KETU IF KETU IS MORE LIKE MARS OR FOR THAT MATTER WHY

>NOT MARS AND SATURN OR MARS AND SATURN AND RAHU?

 

>THAT IS WHY I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC ON WHY MARS AND RAHU HAVE

>BEEN MENTIONED.

 

[Prafulla] - I mentioned rahu / etc from Devekeralam for clarification purpose;

as they are not provided by Devekeralam. It only talks of shani. It is late

Santhanam - who expanded the same rationale for rahu / guru etc. Mars/ketu etc

are not mentioned in his commentary either. Since I read them 10/12 years back,

may be if I am missing reference from my memory.

 

 

>ACTUALLY PRAFULLY, WHEN U ARE PURELY TAKING TRANSIT OF A PLANET IN

>NADI THEN U ARE CONSIDERING ALL 16 D CHARTS ATLEAST THATS THE IDEA I

>HAVE IN MY MIND WHEN I HAVE TALKED TO KRUSHANJI. JU TRANSITING SAY AT

>22 SCORPIO 42 MEANS THAT JU IS IN DURUDHARA NADI AND BASED ON THE

>NATAL CHART IT HAS A LOT OF MEANING ON HOW THIS JUPITER WILL ACT. NOW

>IN DURUDHARA NADI AND IN THIS NADI THIS GURU WILL BE DOMINATED BY THE

>INFLUENCE OF JU, MA AND SUN AND HERE I HAVE CONSIDERED ALL 16 D CHARTS

>AND NOT JUST NAVAMSA.

 

[Prafulla] Yes - Chandrakala nadi also talks of specific degree (nadi), and

understandably using its position in all D charts - perhaps summarises the

results as ready reckoner. Many other ancinet texts - too uses degreewise

position of each planet for specific results. my mentioning about Devekeralam -

talks about D9 transit, is reference quote; as it deviates here from many

traditional VA - in terms of referring sade sati from D9 moon's position.

 

> In KAS - as you mentioned - that KAS aspects in reverse direction.

>Can you explain this with an example. Or is it so that - saturn retro

>in 5th house now will aspect 3rds house and 9th house. Â

>

 

>ASH : OK. TAKE RASHMI'S CHART. YOU CAN FIND HIS DATA. NOW HE HAS

>SA RETRO, JU RETRO AND ME RETRO.

 

>NOW WHEN U CAST THE CHARTING USING KAS PROGRAM THEN THAT IS FOR TIMING

>OF EVENT AND FROM THAT U CAN GET POWER OF PLANEST AND THERE WE USE

>THINGS AS PER LESSON.

 

>NOW QUALITY IS DIFFERENT AS I HAVE ALWAYS EMPHASIZED. HERE SA® IS

>IN 8TH HOUSE SO IT WILL ENHANCE 5TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE.

 

>JU® WILL ENHANCE 1ST 11TH AND 9TH HOUSE (9TH, 7TH AND 5TH ASPECT

>RESPECTIVELY).

 

>ME ® WILL ENHANCE 7TH HOUSE.

 

>OFCOURSE HIS CHART HAS ALSO BLESSINGS ETC SO THAT IS DIFFERENT,

>3:6:10:11 POINTS ARE ALL GOOD ETC. SO THE COMBINED EFFECT OF ALL THAT.

 

>HOPE ITS CLEAR.

 

>CHEERS !!!

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[Prafulla] Yes - very clear now. and many thanks once again.

 

 

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Dear Prafulla and Satish,

To my mail, also please add that Retro planets enhance the house where

they are located in as well.

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<jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> >ASH : PLEASE MAKE MORE CONTRIBUTIONS PRAFULLA THAT WILL HELP BRING ALL

> >THESE DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES THAT SO MANY CLASSICS USE ELUCIDATED USING

> >KAS. OR ATLEAST I CAN DEFINITELY TRY WITH MY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF KAS.

>

> [PG]Many thanks Ash. I certainly look forward to contribute.

>

>

> > Devkaralam - does not talk of retro planets to be looked from

> >previous sign; but yes - bhrigu nadi do consider retro planet from

> >previous sign(e.g. guru retro in 5th house in sag - then it will be

> >considered from 4th house vrischaka). There is another overrider in

> >the method - of using progression with it; so such guru will be

> >considered in vrischaka - only until it is retro in progression.

>

> >ASH : NO WHAT U ARE SAYING HERE IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I HAVE SAID.

> >I CANNOT COMMENT ON THE AUTHENTICITY OF DEVAKERALAM OR ANY OTHER BOOK

> >BUT I CAN TELL U HOW WE STUDY THE SIMILAR THING FROM KAS.

>

> >FIRST THING FIRST IS TO SEPARATE TIMING OF EVENT FROM QUALITY OF

> >EVENT. I HAVE NOT COME ACROSS ANY BOOK THAT TALKS ON THIS DIFFERENCE.

> >IF U HAVE READ THIS ANYWHERE PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND THAT WILL HELP ME

> >LEARN.

>

> [Prafulla] I agree with you, that quality of event, certainly has to

be distinguished from timing of events. KAS is perfectly based on

fundamentals, as 15 years back - I recall meeting with a

traditionalist (panchanghkarta), who did elaborated the role of

respective 8th house for any bhava (his reasoning of 8th house has

been the base premise of 8th house as origin - " the pinda " ).

>

> >RETRO PLANETS ENHANCE THE HOUSE THEY ASPECT BUT IN REVERSE AND THIS

> >HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH TIMING OF EVENT. FOR TIMING OF EVENT WE

> >ARE USING THE WS WHERE WE CONSIDER THE ASPECT OF SATURN IN FORWARD

> >DIRECTION ONLY. SO THERE IS NO CHANGE THERE. SO IS A HUGE

> >DIFFERENCE. THAT IS WHY I THINK IN ONE LESSON KRUSHANJI HAS MENTIONED

> >ABOUT RETRO PLANET AND I THINK ITS THE LESSON ON CHILD BIRTH.

>

> [Prafulla] - yes, retro planets are mentioned as aspecting direct

for timing of events. I was just referencing - how Nadi has quoted.

>

> >ABOUT BRIGHU NADI, I DO NOT KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE

> >NADIS AS WE USE IN KAS. SO THAT IS DIFFERENT AND I WONT GET INTO

> >THAT. SO AS FAR AS SYSTEM OF KAS WHICH INCLUDES NADIS AND TIMING OF

> >EVENTS PORTION APART FROM OTHER THINGS, WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT

> >RETRO PLANETS ENHANCE THE HOUSE THAT THEY ASPECT IN REVERSE DIRECTION.

>

>

> >WHAT U ARE SAYING IS THAT TAKE THE PLANET 1 SIGN BEFORE AND WHAT I AM

> >SAYING IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

>

> >LETS TAKE RETRO SATURN IN 5TH HOUSE AND SAY ITS WITH 2 BINDUS. SO FOR

> >TIMING OF EVENT IT WILL ASPECT 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE AND WITH +6

> >BINDUS SO THE POWER OF SATURN IN THE WS FOR 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE

> >WILL GO UP. SO THAT PORTION IS FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. WE ALSO SAY

> >THAT IF ANY PLANET ASPECT HOUSE A , B OR C THEN ITSELF CAN'T GIVE

> >RESULTS AND THEIR SD WILL GIVE. ALL THIS IS FOR TIMING OF EVENTS.

>

> >NOW SINCE SA IS RETRO AND IN 5TH HOUSE HERE WE DO NOT CONSIDER ANY

> >BINDUS OR ANYTHING AS THIS IS TO DO MORE WITH QUALITY AND NOT TIMING.

> >SO HERE SA RETRO IN 5TH HOUSE THEN IT WILL

>

> >1) ENHANCE 3RD HOUSE MEANS 3RD ASPECT IN REVERSE SO IT WILL ENHANCE

> 3RD HOUSE

> >2) ENHANCE 8TH HOUSE MEANS 10TH ASPECT IN REVERSE

> >3) ENHANCE 11TH HOUSE MEANS 7TH ASPECT.

>

> >SO LET ME SUMMARISE

>

> >A) TIMING OF EVENTS - WE CONSIDER BINDU AND NORMAL ASPECT SO SA RETRO

> >IN 5TH WILL ASPECT 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE

> >B) QUALITY - WILL ENHANCE 3RD, 11TH AND 8TH HOUSE.

>

> [Prafulla] - Understood..quite clear now. Many thanks once again.

>

>

> >Coming to read rahu rahu like saturn per devakeralam - it is

> >santhanam's commentary that - likewise malefic rahu can also be read;

> >and also that if guru is transiting over natal moon - then malefic

> >results. Devekeralam - here uses D9 chart not the D1.

>

> >ASH : SHAVI VAT RAHU KUJA VAT KETU, YES I AM AWARE OF THAT AND WE

> >ALREADY USE THAT IN THE VIMSHOTTARI DASHA CALCULATIONS, OTHERWISE HOW

> >RAHU CAN GET 18 YEARS AND KETU GETS 7 YEARS. SO THAT IS BASIC. BUT

> >RAHU IS NOT EXACTLY SATURN NOR IS KETU EXACTLY LIKE MARS EITHER OR WE

> >CAN SAY ITS " MORE LIKE " IN NATURAL NATURE. WE USE THAT IN CHART

> >MATCHING AS WELL WHEN WE SAY THAT MALE'S RA AND SA ASPECT GIRLS MARS

> >THEN THERE IS MORE ATTRACTION SO HERE WE USE IT IN KAS AS WELL.

>

> >SO IN THAT COMMENTARY THAT SATISH GAVE, WHY MARS AND RAHU ARE GIVEN

> >AND NOT MARS AND KETU IF KETU IS MORE LIKE MARS OR FOR THAT MATTER WHY

> >NOT MARS AND SATURN OR MARS AND SATURN AND RAHU?

>

> >THAT IS WHY I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC ON WHY MARS AND RAHU HAVE

> >BEEN MENTIONED.

>

> [Prafulla] - I mentioned rahu / etc from Devekeralam for

clarification purpose; as they are not provided by Devekeralam. It

only talks of shani. It is late Santhanam - who expanded the same

rationale for rahu / guru etc. Mars/ketu etc are not mentioned in his

commentary either. Since I read them 10/12 years back, may be if I am

missing reference from my memory.

>

>

> >ACTUALLY PRAFULLY, WHEN U ARE PURELY TAKING TRANSIT OF A PLANET IN

> >NADI THEN U ARE CONSIDERING ALL 16 D CHARTS ATLEAST THATS THE IDEA I

> >HAVE IN MY MIND WHEN I HAVE TALKED TO KRUSHANJI. JU TRANSITING SAY AT

> >22 SCORPIO 42 MEANS THAT JU IS IN DURUDHARA NADI AND BASED ON THE

> >NATAL CHART IT HAS A LOT OF MEANING ON HOW THIS JUPITER WILL ACT. NOW

> >IN DURUDHARA NADI AND IN THIS NADI THIS GURU WILL BE DOMINATED BY THE

> >INFLUENCE OF JU, MA AND SUN AND HERE I HAVE CONSIDERED ALL 16 D CHARTS

> >AND NOT JUST NAVAMSA.

>

> [Prafulla] Yes - Chandrakala nadi also talks of specific degree

(nadi), and understandably using its position in all D charts -

perhaps summarises the results as ready reckoner. Many other ancinet

texts - too uses degreewise position of each planet for specific

results. my mentioning about Devekeralam - talks about D9 transit, is

reference quote; as it deviates here from many traditional VA - in

terms of referring sade sati from D9 moon's position.

>

> > In KAS - as you mentioned - that KAS aspects in reverse direction.

> >Can you explain this with an example. Or is it so that - saturn retro

> >in 5th house now will aspect 3rds house and 9th house. Â

> >

>

> >ASH : OK. TAKE RASHMI'S CHART. YOU CAN FIND HIS DATA. NOW HE HAS

> >SA RETRO, JU RETRO AND ME RETRO.

>

> >NOW WHEN U CAST THE CHARTING USING KAS PROGRAM THEN THAT IS FOR TIMING

> >OF EVENT AND FROM THAT U CAN GET POWER OF PLANEST AND THERE WE USE

> >THINGS AS PER LESSON.

>

> >NOW QUALITY IS DIFFERENT AS I HAVE ALWAYS EMPHASIZED. HERE SA® IS

> >IN 8TH HOUSE SO IT WILL ENHANCE 5TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE.

>

> >JU® WILL ENHANCE 1ST 11TH AND 9TH HOUSE (9TH, 7TH AND 5TH ASPECT

> >RESPECTIVELY).

>

> >ME ® WILL ENHANCE 7TH HOUSE.

>

> >OFCOURSE HIS CHART HAS ALSO BLESSINGS ETC SO THAT IS DIFFERENT,

> >3:6:10:11 POINTS ARE ALL GOOD ETC. SO THE COMBINED EFFECT OF ALL THAT.

>

> >HOPE ITS CLEAR.

>

> >CHEERS !!!

> >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca [http://www.ashtro.ca]

>

> [Prafulla] Yes - very clear now. and many thanks once again.

>

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.prafulla.net

>

> I'm an idealist. I don't know where I'm going but I'm on the way.

> ************************************************

>

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Many thanks Ash for the pointer.

 

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http://www.prafulla.net

 

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ashsam73

Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:34:00 -0000

 

Re: Sade - Sati and Retro as per KAS and

combined.

Dear Prafulla and Satish,

To my mail, also please add that Retro planets enhance the house where

they are located in as well.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca [http://www.ashtro.ca]

 

, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> >ASH : PLEASE MAKE MORE CONTRIBUTIONS PRAFULLA THAT WILL HELP BRING ALL

> >THESE DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES THAT SO MANY CLASSICS USE ELUCIDATED USING

> >KAS. OR ATLEAST I CAN DEFINITELY TRY WITH MY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF KAS.

>

> [PG]Many thanks Ash. I certainly look forward to contribute.

>

>

> > Devkaralam - does not talk of retro planets to be looked from

> >previous sign; but yes - bhrigu nadi do consider retro planet from

> >previous sign(e.g. guru retro in 5th house in sag - then it will be

> >considered from 4th house vrischaka). There is another overrider in

> >the method - of using progression with it; so such guru will be

> >considered in vrischaka - only until it is retro in progression.

>

> >ASH : NO WHAT U ARE SAYING HERE IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I HAVE SAID.

> >I CANNOT COMMENT ON THE AUTHENTICITY OF DEVAKERALAM OR ANY OTHER BOOK

> >BUT I CAN TELL U HOW WE STUDY THE SIMILAR THING FROM KAS.

>

> >FIRST THING FIRST IS TO SEPARATE TIMING OF EVENT FROM QUALITY OF

> >EVENT. I HAVE NOT COME ACROSS ANY BOOK THAT TALKS ON THIS DIFFERENCE.

> >IF U HAVE READ THIS ANYWHERE PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND THAT WILL HELP ME

> >LEARN.

>

> [Prafulla] I agree with you, that quality of event, certainly has to

be distinguished from timing of events. KAS is perfectly based on

fundamentals, as 15 years back - I recall meeting with a

traditionalist (panchanghkarta), who did elaborated the role of

respective 8th house for any bhava (his reasoning of 8th house has

been the base premise of 8th house as origin - " the pinda " ).

>

> >RETRO PLANETS ENHANCE THE HOUSE THEY ASPECT BUT IN REVERSE AND THIS

> >HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH TIMING OF EVENT. FOR TIMING OF EVENT WE

> >ARE USING THE WS WHERE WE CONSIDER THE ASPECT OF SATURN IN FORWARD

> >DIRECTION ONLY. SO THERE IS NO CHANGE THERE. SO IS A HUGE

> >DIFFERENCE. THAT IS WHY I THINK IN ONE LESSON KRUSHANJI HAS MENTIONED

> >ABOUT RETRO PLANET AND I THINK ITS THE LESSON ON CHILD BIRTH.

>

> [Prafulla] - yes, retro planets are mentioned as aspecting direct

for timing of events. I was just referencing - how Nadi has quoted.

>

> >ABOUT BRIGHU NADI, I DO NOT KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE

> >NADIS AS WE USE IN KAS. SO THAT IS DIFFERENT AND I WONT GET INTO

> >THAT. SO AS FAR AS SYSTEM OF KAS WHICH INCLUDES NADIS AND TIMING OF

> >EVENTS PORTION APART FROM OTHER THINGS, WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT

> >RETRO PLANETS ENHANCE THE HOUSE THAT THEY ASPECT IN REVERSE DIRECTION.

>

>

> >WHAT U ARE SAYING IS THAT TAKE THE PLANET 1 SIGN BEFORE AND WHAT I AM

> >SAYING IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

>

> >LETS TAKE RETRO SATURN IN 5TH HOUSE AND SAY ITS WITH 2 BINDUS. SO FOR

> >TIMING OF EVENT IT WILL ASPECT 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE AND WITH +6

> >BINDUS SO THE POWER OF SATURN IN THE WS FOR 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE

> >WILL GO UP. SO THAT PORTION IS FOR TIMING OF EVENTS. WE ALSO SAY

> >THAT IF ANY PLANET ASPECT HOUSE A , B OR C THEN ITSELF CAN'T GIVE

> >RESULTS AND THEIR SD WILL GIVE. ALL THIS IS FOR TIMING OF EVENTS.

>

> >NOW SINCE SA IS RETRO AND IN 5TH HOUSE HERE WE DO NOT CONSIDER ANY

> >BINDUS OR ANYTHING AS THIS IS TO DO MORE WITH QUALITY AND NOT TIMING.

> >SO HERE SA RETRO IN 5TH HOUSE THEN IT WILL

>

> >1) ENHANCE 3RD HOUSE MEANS 3RD ASPECT IN REVERSE SO IT WILL ENHANCE

> 3RD HOUSE

> >2) ENHANCE 8TH HOUSE MEANS 10TH ASPECT IN REVERSE

> >3) ENHANCE 11TH HOUSE MEANS 7TH ASPECT.

>

> >SO LET ME SUMMARISE

>

> >A) TIMING OF EVENTS - WE CONSIDER BINDU AND NORMAL ASPECT SO SA RETRO

> >IN 5TH WILL ASPECT 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE

> >B) QUALITY - WILL ENHANCE 3RD, 11TH AND 8TH HOUSE.

>

> [Prafulla] - Understood..quite clear now. Many thanks once again.

>

>

> >Coming to read rahu rahu like saturn per devakeralam - it is

> >santhanam's commentary that - likewise malefic rahu can also be read;

> >and also that if guru is transiting over natal moon - then malefic

> >results. Devekeralam - here uses D9 chart not the D1.

>

> >ASH : SHAVI VAT RAHU KUJA VAT KETU, YES I AM AWARE OF THAT AND WE

> >ALREADY USE THAT IN THE VIMSHOTTARI DASHA CALCULATIONS, OTHERWISE HOW

> >RAHU CAN GET 18 YEARS AND KETU GETS 7 YEARS. SO THAT IS BASIC. BUT

> >RAHU IS NOT EXACTLY SATURN NOR IS KETU EXACTLY LIKE MARS EITHER OR WE

> >CAN SAY ITS " MORE LIKE " IN NATURAL NATURE. WE USE THAT IN CHART

> >MATCHING AS WELL WHEN WE SAY THAT MALE'S RA AND SA ASPECT GIRLS MARS

> >THEN THERE IS MORE ATTRACTION SO HERE WE USE IT IN KAS AS WELL.

>

> >SO IN THAT COMMENTARY THAT SATISH GAVE, WHY MARS AND RAHU ARE GIVEN

> >AND NOT MARS AND KETU IF KETU IS MORE LIKE MARS OR FOR THAT MATTER WHY

> >NOT MARS AND SATURN OR MARS AND SATURN AND RAHU?

>

> >THAT IS WHY I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC ON WHY MARS AND RAHU HAVE

> >BEEN MENTIONED.

>

> [Prafulla] - I mentioned rahu / etc from Devekeralam for

clarification purpose; as they are not provided by Devekeralam. It

only talks of shani. It is late Santhanam - who expanded the same

rationale for rahu / guru etc. Mars/ketu etc are not mentioned in his

commentary either. Since I read them 10/12 years back, may be if I am

missing reference from my memory.

>

>

> >ACTUALLY PRAFULLY, WHEN U ARE PURELY TAKING TRANSIT OF A PLANET IN

> >NADI THEN U ARE CONSIDERING ALL 16 D CHARTS ATLEAST THATS THE IDEA I

> >HAVE IN MY MIND WHEN I HAVE TALKED TO KRUSHANJI. JU TRANSITING SAY AT

> >22 SCORPIO 42 MEANS THAT JU IS IN DURUDHARA NADI AND BASED ON THE

> >NATAL CHART IT HAS A LOT OF MEANING ON HOW THIS JUPITER WILL ACT. NOW

> >IN DURUDHARA NADI AND IN THIS NADI THIS GURU WILL BE DOMINATED BY THE

> >INFLUENCE OF JU, MA AND SUN AND HERE I HAVE CONSIDERED ALL 16 D CHARTS

> >AND NOT JUST NAVAMSA.

>

> [Prafulla] Yes - Chandrakala nadi also talks of specific degree

(nadi), and understandably using its position in all D charts -

perhaps summarises the results as ready reckoner. Many other ancinet

texts - too uses degreewise position of each planet for specific

results. my mentioning about Devekeralam - talks about D9 transit, is

reference quote; as it deviates here from many traditional VA - in

terms of referring sade sati from D9 moon's position.

>

> > In KAS - as you mentioned - that KAS aspects in reverse direction.

> >Can you explain this with an example. Or is it so that - saturn retro

> >in 5th house now will aspect 3rds house and 9th house. Â

> >

>

> >ASH : OK. TAKE RASHMI'S CHART. YOU CAN FIND HIS DATA. NOW HE HAS

> >SA RETRO, JU RETRO AND ME RETRO.

>

> >NOW WHEN U CAST THE CHARTING USING KAS PROGRAM THEN THAT IS FOR TIMING

> >OF EVENT AND FROM THAT U CAN GET POWER OF PLANEST AND THERE WE USE

> >THINGS AS PER LESSON.

>

> >NOW QUALITY IS DIFFERENT AS I HAVE ALWAYS EMPHASIZED. HERE SA® IS

> >IN 8TH HOUSE SO IT WILL ENHANCE 5TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE.

>

> >JU® WILL ENHANCE 1ST 11TH AND 9TH HOUSE (9TH, 7TH AND 5TH ASPECT

> >RESPECTIVELY).

>

> >ME ® WILL ENHANCE 7TH HOUSE.

>

> >OFCOURSE HIS CHART HAS ALSO BLESSINGS ETC SO THAT IS DIFFERENT,

> >3:6:10:11 POINTS ARE ALL GOOD ETC. SO THE COMBINED EFFECT OF ALL THAT.

>

> >HOPE ITS CLEAR.

>

> >CHEERS !!!

> >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca [http://www.ashtro.ca] [http://www.ashtro.ca

[http://www.ashtro.ca]]

>

> [Prafulla] Yes - very clear now. and many thanks once again.

>

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.prafulla.net [http://www.prafulla.net]

>

> I'm an idealist. I don't know where I'm going but I'm on the way.

> ************************************************

>

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