Please assist me in first time attempting to solve marriage

June 23, 2007

Hello again;

I've discovered that Saturn is itself Lord of E, a secondary

upachaya, which should negate all aspects of delay for House B

results, correct? despite aspecting C lord jupiter by 7th sight in

the Rasi...

But still, there should be no delay...

-tom

, " everylightifound "

<everylightifound wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this is

> not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about five

> hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for assistance

> and correction where necessary, especially on determining Mahadasha

> and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

complicated

> to me at this point! I very much appreciate your consideration...

>

> Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

male's

> chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> father's, and I told my father to write down his date of marriage

for

> me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however, I

am

> stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based on

> samdharmi.

>

> He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in Kingston,

> Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

>

> Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna, mercury

> has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the Sun

> and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the 10th,

> and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

>

> As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of Aswini,

so

> unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn in

> the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

with

> sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars in

> the Rasi or Navamsa.

>

> Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B (moon)

is

> not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun and

> moon).

>

> So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

>

> PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12 (11);

> FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> mars-47 pts

> venus-28

> jupiter-26

> mercury-20

> saturn-17

> sun-14

>

> Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> mars has 8th sight on B

> moon has 7th sight on B

> Jupiter has 5th sight on A

>

> so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

>

> FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

>

> Based on Tenth house theory--

> Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since planet " A " -

> moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional samdharmi

to

> jupiter

>

> mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is neutral

> so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So Mercury

> functional samdharmi to mars.

>

> Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

Aquarius

> and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

>

> Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

>

> Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

>

> NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

>

> venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

>

> 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB GIVES

BAD

> RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

>

> so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> significators.

>

> Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

>

> Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi will

> come forward for sub.

>

> MAHADASHA:

> usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from 2/7/2026-

> 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

strongest--

> which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> IS THIS CORRECT?

> Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

>

> ANTARDASHA:

>

> Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

moon

> Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

>

> HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

>

> ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

DOESN'T

> ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

>

> Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it seems

> you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate your

> input.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Tom

>

June 23, 2007

Dear TOM,

Taking Asc 1Aq14, there is delay by saturn..Plz check Saturn is

with Lord of B (Sun), and aspecting LOA and LoC (Jupitor)

Marriage may happen in Aug1998-July 1999 in 3rd sector of Rahu antra.

Regards

Anup

everylightifound <everylightifound wrote:

Hello all,

This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this is

not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about five

hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for assistance

and correction where necessary, especially on determining Mahadasha

and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so complicated

to me at this point! I very much appreciate your consideration...

Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a male's

chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

father's, and I told my father to write down his date of marriage for

me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however, I am

stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based on

samdharmi.

He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in Kingston,

Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna, mercury

has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the Sun

and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the 10th,

and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of Aswini, so

unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn in

the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship with

sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars in

the Rasi or Navamsa.

Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B (moon) is

not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun and

moon).

So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12 (11);

FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

mars-47 pts

venus-28

jupiter-26

mercury-20

saturn-17

sun-14

Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

mars has 8th sight on B

moon has 7th sight on B

Jupiter has 5th sight on A

so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

Based on Tenth house theory--

Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since planet " A " -

moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional samdharmi to

jupiter

mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is neutral

so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So Mercury

functional samdharmi to mars.

Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign Aquarius

and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB GIVES BAD

RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

significators.

Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi will

come forward for sub.

MAHADASHA:

usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from 2/7/2026-

2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

--so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi strongest--

which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

IS THIS CORRECT?

Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

ANTARDASHA:

Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun, moon

Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN DOESN'T

ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it seems

you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate your

input.

Thanks,

Tom

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June 23, 2007

Dear Tom,

Taking Asc 1Aq14 , Delay by saturn in Navamsa also as Saturn in

5th house aspecting House A,B,and C.There is blessings in navamsa too and can

nullyfy the delay .

But K

Even taking Capr Asc, delay by Saturn is there, plz check it.and Karka Sat is

in 6th house in navamsa ,thus spoiled.

Regards

Anup

everylightifound <everylightifound wrote:

Hello again;

I've discovered that Saturn is itself Lord of E, a secondary

upachaya, which should negate all aspects of delay for House B

results, correct? despite aspecting C lord jupiter by 7th sight in

the Rasi...

But still, there should be no delay...

-tom

, " everylightifound "

<everylightifound wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this is

> not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about five

> hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for assistance

> and correction where necessary, especially on determining Mahadasha

> and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

complicated

> to me at this point! I very much appreciate your consideration...

>

> Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

male's

> chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> father's, and I told my father to write down his date of marriage

for

> me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however, I

am

> stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based on

> samdharmi.

>

> He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in Kingston,

> Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

>

> Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna, mercury

> has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the Sun

> and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the 10th,

> and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

>

> As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of Aswini,

so

> unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn in

> the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

with

> sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars in

> the Rasi or Navamsa.

>

> Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B (moon)

is

> not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun and

> moon).

>

> So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

>

> PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12 (11);

> FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> mars-47 pts

> venus-28

> jupiter-26

> mercury-20

> saturn-17

> sun-14

>

> Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> mars has 8th sight on B

> moon has 7th sight on B

> Jupiter has 5th sight on A

>

> so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

>

> FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

>

> Based on Tenth house theory--

> Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since planet " A " -

> moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional samdharmi

to

> jupiter

>

> mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is neutral

> so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So Mercury

> functional samdharmi to mars.

>

> Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

Aquarius

> and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

>

> Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

>

> Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

>

> NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

>

> venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

>

> 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB GIVES

BAD

> RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

>

> so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> significators.

>

> Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

>

> Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi will

> come forward for sub.

>

> MAHADASHA:

> usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from 2/7/2026-

> 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

strongest--

> which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> IS THIS CORRECT?

> Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

>

> ANTARDASHA:

>

> Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

moon

> Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

>

> HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

>

> ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

DOESN'T

> ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

>

> Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it seems

> you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate your

> input.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Tom

>

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June 23, 2007

Dear Anup,

Please explain your reasoning for coming up with a Rahu Antra! I

need to understand logic behind valuing samdharmi and significator

strengths.

, " Anup. M "

<dalh_1 wrote:

>

> Dear TOM,

>

> Taking Asc 1Aq14, there is delay by saturn..Plz

check Saturn is with Lord of B (Sun), and aspecting LOA and LoC

(Jupitor)

>

> Marriage may happen in Aug1998-July 1999 in 3rd sector of Rahu

antra.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

everylightifound <everylightifound wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this is

> not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about five

> hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for assistance

> and correction where necessary, especially on determining Mahadasha

> and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

complicated

> to me at this point! I very much appreciate your consideration...

>

> Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

male's

> chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> father's, and I told my father to write down his date of marriage

for

> me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however, I

am

> stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based on

> samdharmi.

>

> He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in Kingston,

> Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

>

> Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna, mercury

> has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the Sun

> and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the 10th,

> and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

>

> As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of Aswini, so

> unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn in

> the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

with

> sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars in

> the Rasi or Navamsa.

>

> Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B (moon)

is

> not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun and

> moon).

>

> So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

>

> PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12 (11);

> FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> mars-47 pts

> venus-28

> jupiter-26

> mercury-20

> saturn-17

> sun-14

>

> Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> mars has 8th sight on B

> moon has 7th sight on B

> Jupiter has 5th sight on A

>

> so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

>

> FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

>

> Based on Tenth house theory--

> Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since planet " A " -

> moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional samdharmi

to

> jupiter

>

> mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is neutral

> so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So Mercury

> functional samdharmi to mars.

>

> Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

Aquarius

> and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

>

> Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

>

> Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

>

> NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

>

> venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

>

> 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB GIVES

BAD

> RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

>

> so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> significators.

>

> Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

>

> Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi will

> come forward for sub.

>

> MAHADASHA:

> usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from 2/7/2026-

> 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

strongest--

> which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> IS THIS CORRECT?

> Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

>

> ANTARDASHA:

>

> Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

moon

> Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

>

> HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

>

> ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

DOESN'T

> ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

>

> Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it seems

> you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate your

> input.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Tom

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someone who knows.

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>

June 23, 2007

Dear Tom,

A fantastic attempt, you have put in a lot of effort.

Yes, If this chart came to me, first thing I would see is that lagna

is at the border and so I would first ascertain if the lagna is

proper. 5-10 mins difference can exist depending on factors. In this

case this much difference can change the lagna. So we need to confirm

this before jumping into timing of event.

Anup has done that.

Tried to time the event using both lagnas. Here some major past

events will also help like his work, profession, job scenarios,

promotions, changes in job, period of worries, any health issues.

Nature of person can also be judged.

Now for example here with Aqu lagna lagna points in SAV become 36 v/s

Capricorn lagna where the lagna points are 26. So from this itself u

can judge the nature of the person.

Intelligence can also be judged from lagna sun and moon from nav,

dreshkon and trishansa as well.

Even DBCE points are rising from Mo and Lagna using Aqu lagna so this

might show the nature of the person and his nature.

Once you are clear with lagna then you can venture into timing of events.

For timing of events then you first need to find out the following

1) How much delay is there

2) Are there any factors that can moderate this delay or a powerful

blessing that can moderate or nullify the delay so this has to be judeged.

3) Find out influence of 6th lord. Now here with Aqu lagna moon is

the lord of 6th house but Mo and Su are special so here they can't be

treated as 6th lord but we can say they are 12th from 7th lord as Mo

and Su cannot take on properties of 6th lord. This scenario changes

if lagna is Capricorn. With Capricorn 6th lord goes into 4th house

with more bindus and this is a low where it spoils martial happiness.

4) Before that study the status of Karak. If Karak is very badly

spoilt then result of B might not happen. So its very important to

study the status of Venus and 2nd lord.

5) Then before timing we need to also ascertain the chart w.r.t the

country and customs and also the nature of person so we call that

desh, kaal and paatra or paristhi. For example in some countries

marraige at 21 yeasr might mean very delayed marraige as girls might

be getting married at 12-13 years. If its India and if one follows

the law then its 18 years for girl and 21 for boys so such country

specific laws must be kept in mind.

6) After considering all the factors, and checking status of planets

like u have done like that of Venus who is important as its NK and

also that of planets like Jupiter, we must also ascertain if the

marital life is happy as that will also factor in determining the

selection of the proper planet that can furnish the marriage. So

things like lagna and 7th, moon and 7th etc if they are in 6:8 or 2:12

or 5:9 etc must be noted.

7) If there are problems like no child or some other major problem

exists or say multiple marriages then marriages might happen in 6th

lord or in low / lowest power planet means less than 12 points.

8) after that one is in a better position to judge when the marriage

will take place. If everything is nice, happy marriage is indicated

then the first powerful planet after delay is over can furnish the

marriage.

9) Then you have to narrow the sector and then finally the pdf to get

to 13 days accuracy.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " everylightifound "

<everylightifound wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this is

> not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about five

> hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for assistance

> and correction where necessary, especially on determining Mahadasha

> and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so complicated

> to me at this point! I very much appreciate your consideration...

>

> Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a male's

> chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> father's, and I told my father to write down his date of marriage for

> me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however, I am

> stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based on

> samdharmi.

>

> He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in Kingston,

> Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

>

> Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna, mercury

> has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the Sun

> and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the 10th,

> and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

>

> As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of Aswini, so

> unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn in

> the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship with

> sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars in

> the Rasi or Navamsa.

>

> Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B (moon) is

> not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun and

> moon).

>

> So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

>

> PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12 (11);

> FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> mars-47 pts

> venus-28

> jupiter-26

> mercury-20

> saturn-17

> sun-14

>

> Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> mars has 8th sight on B

> moon has 7th sight on B

> Jupiter has 5th sight on A

>

> so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

>

> FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

>

> Based on Tenth house theory--

> Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since planet " A " -

> moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional samdharmi to

> jupiter

>

> mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is neutral

> so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So Mercury

> functional samdharmi to mars.

>

> Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign Aquarius

> and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

>

> Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

>

> Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

>

> NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

>

> venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

>

> 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB GIVES BAD

> RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

>

> so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> significators.

>

> Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

>

> Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi will

> come forward for sub.

>

> MAHADASHA:

> usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from 2/7/2026-

> 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi strongest--

> which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> IS THIS CORRECT?

> Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

>

> ANTARDASHA:

>

> Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun, moon

> Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

>

> HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

>

> ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN DOESN'T

> ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

>

> Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it seems

> you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate your

> input.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Tom

>

June 23, 2007

Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue of the

fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26, which is

more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

father's friend is...

so.

For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has six

in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four in the

fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth, and

jupiter has four in the eleventh.

PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

Jupiter 49

mars 33

saturn 27

moon 23

sun 18

mercury 18

venus 16

So all planets are inclined to give postive results for marriage

during subs

NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE RESULTS

UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

SUN ASPECTS B

JUPITER ASPECTS B

SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able to

give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through samdharmi

NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

1. mercury-venus in same sign

sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars BUT

ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

moon samdharmi jupiter

3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is not in

Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter isn't

in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not in B,

nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the primary

upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all Primary

upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not in

2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

So natural karaka unspoiled.

MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord (saturn)

sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord (saturn)

sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty range

causing DELAY

HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

-1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh (24)

-All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

-12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

-sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

-points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

average or less than 28

-mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and Navamsa

70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and guidance!!!

According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

samdharmi;

Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

married; so need samdharmi;

Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for House

A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause full

delay of into third sector of selected sub.

However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight on

saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

correct????

This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager to

give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th to

it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will come

and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with jupiter

and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5 years

isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only goes

until 1995...

Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub sector , but

saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya, though

aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

house, like jupiter!

Again, I'm confused.

CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND REASONING?

Thanks to all who have responded so far.

-tom

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Tom,

> A fantastic attempt, you have put in a lot of effort.

>

> Yes, If this chart came to me, first thing I would see is that

lagna

> is at the border and so I would first ascertain if the lagna is

> proper. 5-10 mins difference can exist depending on factors. In

this

> case this much difference can change the lagna. So we need to

confirm

> this before jumping into timing of event.

>

> Anup has done that.

>

> Tried to time the event using both lagnas. Here some major past

> events will also help like his work, profession, job scenarios,

> promotions, changes in job, period of worries, any health issues.

> Nature of person can also be judged.

>

> Now for example here with Aqu lagna lagna points in SAV become 36

v/s

> Capricorn lagna where the lagna points are 26. So from this

itself u

> can judge the nature of the person.

>

> Intelligence can also be judged from lagna sun and moon from nav,

> dreshkon and trishansa as well.

>

> Even DBCE points are rising from Mo and Lagna using Aqu lagna so

this

> might show the nature of the person and his nature.

>

> Once you are clear with lagna then you can venture into timing of

events.

>

> For timing of events then you first need to find out the following

>

> 1) How much delay is there

> 2) Are there any factors that can moderate this delay or a powerful

> blessing that can moderate or nullify the delay so this has to be

judeged.

> 3) Find out influence of 6th lord. Now here with Aqu lagna moon is

> the lord of 6th house but Mo and Su are special so here they can't

be

> treated as 6th lord but we can say they are 12th from 7th lord as

Mo

> and Su cannot take on properties of 6th lord. This scenario

changes

> if lagna is Capricorn. With Capricorn 6th lord goes into 4th house

> with more bindus and this is a low where it spoils martial

happiness.

> 4) Before that study the status of Karak. If Karak is very badly

> spoilt then result of B might not happen. So its very important to

> study the status of Venus and 2nd lord.

> 5) Then before timing we need to also ascertain the chart w.r.t the

> country and customs and also the nature of person so we call that

> desh, kaal and paatra or paristhi. For example in some countries

> marraige at 21 yeasr might mean very delayed marraige as girls

might

> be getting married at 12-13 years. If its India and if one follows

> the law then its 18 years for girl and 21 for boys so such country

> specific laws must be kept in mind.

> 6) After considering all the factors, and checking status of

planets

> like u have done like that of Venus who is important as its NK and

> also that of planets like Jupiter, we must also ascertain if the

> marital life is happy as that will also factor in determining the

> selection of the proper planet that can furnish the marriage. So

> things like lagna and 7th, moon and 7th etc if they are in 6:8 or

2:12

> or 5:9 etc must be noted.

> 7) If there are problems like no child or some other major problem

> exists or say multiple marriages then marriages might happen in 6th

> lord or in low / lowest power planet means less than 12 points.

>

> 8) after that one is in a better position to judge when the

marriage

> will take place. If everything is nice, happy marriage is

indicated

> then the first powerful planet after delay is over can furnish the

> marriage.

>

> 9) Then you have to narrow the sector and then finally the pdf to

get

> to 13 days accuracy.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , " everylightifound "

> <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this

is

> > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about

five

> > hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for

assistance

> > and correction where necessary, especially on determining

Mahadasha

> > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

complicated

> > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

consideration...

> >

> > Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

male's

> > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> > father's, and I told my father to write down his date of

marriage for

> > me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> > indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however,

I am

> > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based

on

> > samdharmi.

> >

> > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in

Kingston,

> > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> >

> > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna,

mercury

> > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the

Sun

> > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the

10th,

> > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> >

> > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of

Aswini, so

> > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn

in

> > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

with

> > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars

in

> > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> >

> > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B

(moon) is

> > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun

and

> > moon).

> >

> > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> >

> > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12

(11);

> > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > mars-47 pts

> > venus-28

> > jupiter-26

> > mercury-20

> > saturn-17

> > sun-14

> >

> > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> > mars has 8th sight on B

> > moon has 7th sight on B

> > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> >

> > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> >

> > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since

planet " A " -

> > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional

samdharmi to

> > jupiter

> >

> > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is

neutral

> > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So

Mercury

> > functional samdharmi to mars.

> >

> > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

Aquarius

> > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> >

> > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> >

> > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> >

> > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB

GIVES BAD

> > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> >

> > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> > significators.

> >

> > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

> >

> > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi

will

> > come forward for sub.

> >

> > MAHADASHA:

> > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from

2/7/2026-

> > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

strongest--

> > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

> >

> > ANTARDASHA:

> >

> > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

moon

> > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> >

> > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> >

> > ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

DOESN'T

> > ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

> >

> > Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it

seems

> > you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate

your

> > input.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Tom

> >

>

June 23, 2007

Dear Tom,

Well as you say, you are a bit confused.Let me say that

Mahadasha

hardly ascertain the timing of event(leaving few exceptions) .So, the timing

of event is determined by the antras in a Mahadasha.

Now taking as an exercise, the chart you gave,Asc is 1Aq14.

So first note that how the quality of marriage can be..like..

we have ratio from lagna and Moon to its 7th lord is 7:7 (conjoin)

From Sun and its 7tth lord is 4:10

(We sld also see from Venus and Mars if the native is a female and from Mars

for Male)

Even if you see the difference in 1st (36)and 7th(28) house points in summary

chart

its more than 4-5 points, so you can ascertain the marriage life will be not

so easy,

there must be some adjustments from both ends and arguments are expected.

After this see, if there is any delay and if its bt Saturn(nd not by Jup and

zero points etc) and no check by Jup, then you findout suitable antra which can

give marriage after delay, finding suitable lords of Upachaya houses of D and E,

which may be eager for the event .

I hope some other group memebrs wld also explain this to you where i am

leaving this:)

Ash has given you nice tips, just analyase these taking your time.You can get

all after this.

But you have done well

Regards

Anup

everylightifound <everylightifound wrote:

Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue of the

fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26, which is

more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

father's friend is...

so.

For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has six

in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four in the

fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth, and

jupiter has four in the eleventh.

PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

Jupiter 49

mars 33

saturn 27

moon 23

sun 18

mercury 18

venus 16

So all planets are inclined to give postive results for marriage

during subs

NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE RESULTS

UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

SUN ASPECTS B

JUPITER ASPECTS B

SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able to

give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through samdharmi

NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

1. mercury-venus in same sign

sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars BUT

ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

moon samdharmi jupiter

3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is not in

Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter isn't

in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not in B,

nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the primary

upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all Primary

upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not in

2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

So natural karaka unspoiled.

MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord (saturn)

sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord (saturn)

sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty range

causing DELAY

HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

-1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh (24)

-All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

-12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

-sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

-points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

average or less than 28

-mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and Navamsa

70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and guidance!!!

According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

samdharmi;

Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

married; so need samdharmi;

Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for House

A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause full

delay of into third sector of selected sub.

However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight on

saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

correct????

This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager to

give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th to

it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will come

and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with jupiter

and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5 years

isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only goes

until 1995...

Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub sector , but

saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya, though

aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

house, like jupiter!

Again, I'm confused.

CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND REASONING?

Thanks to all who have responded so far.

-tom

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Tom,

> A fantastic attempt, you have put in a lot of effort.

>

> Yes, If this chart came to me, first thing I would see is that

lagna

> is at the border and so I would first ascertain if the lagna is

> proper. 5-10 mins difference can exist depending on factors. In

this

> case this much difference can change the lagna. So we need to

confirm

> this before jumping into timing of event.

>

> Anup has done that.

>

> Tried to time the event using both lagnas. Here some major past

> events will also help like his work, profession, job scenarios,

> promotions, changes in job, period of worries, any health issues.

> Nature of person can also be judged.

>

> Now for example here with Aqu lagna lagna points in SAV become 36

v/s

> Capricorn lagna where the lagna points are 26. So from this

itself u

> can judge the nature of the person.

>

> Intelligence can also be judged from lagna sun and moon from nav,

> dreshkon and trishansa as well.

>

> Even DBCE points are rising from Mo and Lagna using Aqu lagna so

this

> might show the nature of the person and his nature.

>

> Once you are clear with lagna then you can venture into timing of

events.

>

> For timing of events then you first need to find out the following

>

> 1) How much delay is there

> 2) Are there any factors that can moderate this delay or a powerful

> blessing that can moderate or nullify the delay so this has to be

judeged.

> 3) Find out influence of 6th lord. Now here with Aqu lagna moon is

> the lord of 6th house but Mo and Su are special so here they can't

be

> treated as 6th lord but we can say they are 12th from 7th lord as

Mo

> and Su cannot take on properties of 6th lord. This scenario

changes

> if lagna is Capricorn. With Capricorn 6th lord goes into 4th house

> with more bindus and this is a low where it spoils martial

happiness.

> 4) Before that study the status of Karak. If Karak is very badly

> spoilt then result of B might not happen. So its very important to

> study the status of Venus and 2nd lord.

> 5) Then before timing we need to also ascertain the chart w.r.t the

> country and customs and also the nature of person so we call that

> desh, kaal and paatra or paristhi. For example in some countries

> marraige at 21 yeasr might mean very delayed marraige as girls

might

> be getting married at 12-13 years. If its India and if one follows

> the law then its 18 years for girl and 21 for boys so such country

> specific laws must be kept in mind.

> 6) After considering all the factors, and checking status of

planets

> like u have done like that of Venus who is important as its NK and

> also that of planets like Jupiter, we must also ascertain if the

> marital life is happy as that will also factor in determining the

> selection of the proper planet that can furnish the marriage. So

> things like lagna and 7th, moon and 7th etc if they are in 6:8 or

2:12

> or 5:9 etc must be noted.

> 7) If there are problems like no child or some other major problem

> exists or say multiple marriages then marriages might happen in 6th

> lord or in low / lowest power planet means less than 12 points.

>

> 8) after that one is in a better position to judge when the

marriage

> will take place. If everything is nice, happy marriage is

indicated

> then the first powerful planet after delay is over can furnish the

> marriage.

>

> 9) Then you have to narrow the sector and then finally the pdf to

get

> to 13 days accuracy.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , " everylightifound "

> <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this

is

> > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about

five

> > hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for

assistance

> > and correction where necessary, especially on determining

Mahadasha

> > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

complicated

> > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

consideration...

> >

> > Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

male's

> > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> > father's, and I told my father to write down his date of

marriage for

> > me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> > indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however,

I am

> > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based

on

> > samdharmi.

> >

> > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in

Kingston,

> > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> >

> > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna,

mercury

> > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the

Sun

> > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the

10th,

> > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> >

> > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of

Aswini, so

> > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn

in

> > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

with

> > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars

in

> > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> >

> > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B

(moon) is

> > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun

and

> > moon).

> >

> > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> >

> > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12

(11);

> > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > mars-47 pts

> > venus-28

> > jupiter-26

> > mercury-20

> > saturn-17

> > sun-14

> >

> > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> > mars has 8th sight on B

> > moon has 7th sight on B

> > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> >

> > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> >

> > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since

planet " A " -

> > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional

samdharmi to

> > jupiter

> >

> > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is

neutral

> > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So

Mercury

> > functional samdharmi to mars.

> >

> > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

Aquarius

> > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> >

> > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> >

> > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> >

> > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB

GIVES BAD

> > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> >

> > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> > significators.

> >

> > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

> >

> > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi

will

> > come forward for sub.

> >

> > MAHADASHA:

> > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from

2/7/2026-

> > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

strongest--

> > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

> >

> > ANTARDASHA:

> >

> > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

moon

> > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> >

> > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> >

> > ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

DOESN'T

> > ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

> >

> > Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it

seems

> > you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate

your

> > input.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Tom

> >

>

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Dear Anup and Torn,

How r u getting asc 1Aq 14.

With the given co-ordinates what should be Time zone ?

Whether there is DST considered ? Since the birth is in the month of May, DST

must be taken into account?

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

" Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Tom,

Well as you say, you are a bit confused.Let me say that Mahadasha

hardly ascertain the timing of event(leaving few exceptions) .So, the timing of

event is determined by the antras in a Mahadasha.

Now taking as an exercise, the chart you gave,Asc is 1Aq14.

So first note that how the quality of marriage can be..like..

we have ratio from lagna and Moon to its 7th lord is 7:7 (conjoin)

From Sun and its 7tth lord is 4:10

(We sld also see from Venus and Mars if the native is a female and from Mars for

Male)

Even if you see the difference in 1st (36)and 7th(28) house points in summary

chart

its more than 4-5 points, so you can ascertain the marriage life will be not so

easy,

there must be some adjustments from both ends and arguments are expected.

After this see, if there is any delay and if its bt Saturn(nd not by Jup and

zero points etc) and no check by Jup, then you findout suitable antra which can

give marriage after delay, finding suitable lords of Upachaya houses of D and E,

which may be eager for the event .

I hope some other group memebrs wld also explain this to you where i am leaving

this:)

Ash has given you nice tips, just analyase these taking your time.You can get

all after this.

But you have done well

Regards

Anup

everylightifound <everylightifound wrote:

Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue of the

fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26, which is

more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

father's friend is...

so.

For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has six

in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four in the

fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth, and

jupiter has four in the eleventh.

PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

Jupiter 49

mars 33

saturn 27

moon 23

sun 18

mercury 18

venus 16

So all planets are inclined to give postive results for marriage

during subs

NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE RESULTS

UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

SUN ASPECTS B

JUPITER ASPECTS B

SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able to

give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through samdharmi

NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

1. mercury-venus in same sign

sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars BUT

ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

moon samdharmi jupiter

3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is not in

Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter isn't

in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not in B,

nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the primary

upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all Primary

upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not in

2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

So natural karaka unspoiled.

MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord (saturn)

sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord (saturn)

sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty range

causing DELAY

HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

-1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh (24)

-All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

-12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

-sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

-points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

average or less than 28

-mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and Navamsa

70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and guidance!!!

According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

samdharmi;

Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

married; so need samdharmi;

Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for House

A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause full

delay of into third sector of selected sub.

However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight on

saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

correct????

This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager to

give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th to

it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will come

and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with jupiter

and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5 years

isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only goes

until 1995...

Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub sector , but

saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya, though

aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

house, like jupiter!

Again, I'm confused.

CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND REASONING?

Thanks to all who have responded so far.

-tom

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Tom,

> A fantastic attempt, you have put in a lot of effort.

>

> Yes, If this chart came to me, first thing I would see is that

lagna

> is at the border and so I would first ascertain if the lagna is

> proper. 5-10 mins difference can exist depending on factors. In

this

> case this much difference can change the lagna. So we need to

confirm

> this before jumping into timing of event.

>

> Anup has done that.

>

> Tried to time the event using both lagnas. Here some major past

> events will also help like his work, profession, job scenarios,

> promotions, changes in job, period of worries, any health issues.

> Nature of person can also be judged.

>

> Now for example here with Aqu lagna lagna points in SAV become 36

v/s

> Capricorn lagna where the lagna points are 26. So from this

itself u

> can judge the nature of the person.

>

> Intelligence can also be judged from lagna sun and moon from nav,

> dreshkon and trishansa as well.

>

> Even DBCE points are rising from Mo and Lagna using Aqu lagna so

this

> might show the nature of the person and his nature.

>

> Once you are clear with lagna then you can venture into timing of

events.

>

> For timing of events then you first need to find out the following

>

> 1) How much delay is there

> 2) Are there any factors that can moderate this delay or a powerful

> blessing that can moderate or nullify the delay so this has to be

judeged.

> 3) Find out influence of 6th lord. Now here with Aqu lagna moon is

> the lord of 6th house but Mo and Su are special so here they can't

be

> treated as 6th lord but we can say they are 12th from 7th lord as

Mo

> and Su cannot take on properties of 6th lord. This scenario

changes

> if lagna is Capricorn. With Capricorn 6th lord goes into 4th house

> with more bindus and this is a low where it spoils martial

happiness.

> 4) Before that study the status of Karak. If Karak is very badly

> spoilt then result of B might not happen. So its very important to

> study the status of Venus and 2nd lord.

> 5) Then before timing we need to also ascertain the chart w.r.t the

> country and customs and also the nature of person so we call that

> desh, kaal and paatra or paristhi. For example in some countries

> marraige at 21 yeasr might mean very delayed marraige as girls

might

> be getting married at 12-13 years. If its India and if one follows

> the law then its 18 years for girl and 21 for boys so such country

> specific laws must be kept in mind.

> 6) After considering all the factors, and checking status of

planets

> like u have done like that of Venus who is important as its NK and

> also that of planets like Jupiter, we must also ascertain if the

> marital life is happy as that will also factor in determining the

> selection of the proper planet that can furnish the marriage. So

> things like lagna and 7th, moon and 7th etc if they are in 6:8 or

2:12

> or 5:9 etc must be noted.

> 7) If there are problems like no child or some other major problem

> exists or say multiple marriages then marriages might happen in 6th

> lord or in low / lowest power planet means less than 12 points.

>

> 8) after that one is in a better position to judge when the

marriage

> will take place. If everything is nice, happy marriage is

indicated

> then the first powerful planet after delay is over can furnish the

> marriage.

>

> 9) Then you have to narrow the sector and then finally the pdf to

get

> to 13 days accuracy.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , " everylightifound "

> <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this

is

> > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about

five

> > hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for

assistance

> > and correction where necessary, especially on determining

Mahadasha

> > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

complicated

> > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

consideration...

> >

> > Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

male's

> > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> > father's, and I told my father to write down his date of

marriage for

> > me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> > indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however,

I am

> > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based

on

> > samdharmi.

> >

> > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in

Kingston,

> > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> >

> > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna,

mercury

> > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the

Sun

> > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the

10th,

> > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> >

> > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of

Aswini, so

> > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn

in

> > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

with

> > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars

in

> > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> >

> > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B

(moon) is

> > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun

and

> > moon).

> >

> > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> >

> > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12

(11);

> > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > mars-47 pts

> > venus-28

> > jupiter-26

> > mercury-20

> > saturn-17

> > sun-14

> >

> > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> > mars has 8th sight on B

> > moon has 7th sight on B

> > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> >

> > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> >

> > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since

planet " A " -

> > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional

samdharmi to

> > jupiter

> >

> > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is

neutral

> > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So

Mercury

> > functional samdharmi to mars.

> >

> > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

Aquarius

> > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> >

> > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> >

> > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> >

> > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB

GIVES BAD

> > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> >

> > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> > significators.

> >

> > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

> >

> > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi

will

> > come forward for sub.

> >

> > MAHADASHA:

> > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from

2/7/2026-

> > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

strongest--

> > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

> >

> > ANTARDASHA:

> >

> > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

moon

> > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> >

> > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> >

> > ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

DOESN'T

> > ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

> >

> > Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it

seems

> > you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate

your

> > input.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Tom

> >

>

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Dear Ramesh,

Here i took TOB 02.00am and DST is YES.Time Zone

taken is +5.00.

Coz the lagna was on borderline, so without taking few incidents to confirm

TOB, we cant ascertain the lagna and may vary either side.

Another thing was that the cocept was taken as an exercise to explain to Tom

how we reach upto antra while finding events.

Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Anup and Torn,

How r u getting asc 1Aq 14.

With the given co-ordinates what should be Time zone ?

Whether there is DST considered ? Since the birth is in the month of May, DST

must be taken into account?

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

" Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Tom,

Well as you say, you are a bit confused.Let me say that Mahadasha

hardly ascertain the timing of event(leaving few exceptions) .So, the timing of

event is determined by the antras in a Mahadasha.

Now taking as an exercise, the chart you gave,Asc is 1Aq14.

So first note that how the quality of marriage can be..like..

we have ratio from lagna and Moon to its 7th lord is 7:7 (conjoin)

From Sun and its 7tth lord is 4:10

(We sld also see from Venus and Mars if the native is a female and from Mars for

Male)

Even if you see the difference in 1st (36)and 7th(28) house points in summary

chart

its more than 4-5 points, so you can ascertain the marriage life will be not so

easy,

there must be some adjustments from both ends and arguments are expected.

After this see, if there is any delay and if its bt Saturn(nd not by Jup and

zero points etc) and no check by Jup, then you findout suitable antra which can

give marriage after delay, finding suitable lords of Upachaya houses of D and E,

which may be eager for the event .

I hope some other group memebrs wld also explain this to you where i am leaving

this:)

Ash has given you nice tips, just analyase these taking your time.You can get

all after this.

But you have done well

Regards

Anup

everylightifound <everylightifound wrote:

Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue of the

fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26, which is

more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

father's friend is...

so.

For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has six

in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four in the

fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth, and

jupiter has four in the eleventh.

PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

Jupiter 49

mars 33

saturn 27

moon 23

sun 18

mercury 18

venus 16

So all planets are inclined to give postive results for marriage

during subs

NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE RESULTS

UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

SUN ASPECTS B

JUPITER ASPECTS B

SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able to

give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through samdharmi

NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

1. mercury-venus in same sign

sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars BUT

ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

moon samdharmi jupiter

3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is not in

Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter isn't

in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not in B,

nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the primary

upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all Primary

upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not in

2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

So natural karaka unspoiled.

MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord (saturn)

sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord (saturn)

sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty range

causing DELAY

HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

-1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh (24)

-All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

-12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

-sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

-points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

average or less than 28

-mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and Navamsa

70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and guidance!!!

According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

samdharmi;

Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

married; so need samdharmi;

Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for House

A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause full

delay of into third sector of selected sub.

However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight on

saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

correct????

This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager to

give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th to

it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will come

and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with jupiter

and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5 years

isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only goes

until 1995...

Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub sector , but

saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya, though

aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

house, like jupiter!

Again, I'm confused.

CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND REASONING?

Thanks to all who have responded so far.

-tom

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Tom,

> A fantastic attempt, you have put in a lot of effort.

>

> Yes, If this chart came to me, first thing I would see is that

lagna

> is at the border and so I would first ascertain if the lagna is

> proper. 5-10 mins difference can exist depending on factors. In

this

> case this much difference can change the lagna. So we need to

confirm

> this before jumping into timing of event.

>

> Anup has done that.

>

> Tried to time the event using both lagnas. Here some major past

> events will also help like his work, profession, job scenarios,

> promotions, changes in job, period of worries, any health issues.

> Nature of person can also be judged.

>

> Now for example here with Aqu lagna lagna points in SAV become 36

v/s

> Capricorn lagna where the lagna points are 26. So from this

itself u

> can judge the nature of the person.

>

> Intelligence can also be judged from lagna sun and moon from nav,

> dreshkon and trishansa as well.

>

> Even DBCE points are rising from Mo and Lagna using Aqu lagna so

this

> might show the nature of the person and his nature.

>

> Once you are clear with lagna then you can venture into timing of

events.

>

> For timing of events then you first need to find out the following

>

> 1) How much delay is there

> 2) Are there any factors that can moderate this delay or a powerful

> blessing that can moderate or nullify the delay so this has to be

judeged.

> 3) Find out influence of 6th lord. Now here with Aqu lagna moon is

> the lord of 6th house but Mo and Su are special so here they can't

be

> treated as 6th lord but we can say they are 12th from 7th lord as

Mo

> and Su cannot take on properties of 6th lord. This scenario

changes

> if lagna is Capricorn. With Capricorn 6th lord goes into 4th house

> with more bindus and this is a low where it spoils martial

happiness.

> 4) Before that study the status of Karak. If Karak is very badly

> spoilt then result of B might not happen. So its very important to

> study the status of Venus and 2nd lord.

> 5) Then before timing we need to also ascertain the chart w.r.t the

> country and customs and also the nature of person so we call that

> desh, kaal and paatra or paristhi. For example in some countries

> marraige at 21 yeasr might mean very delayed marraige as girls

might

> be getting married at 12-13 years. If its India and if one follows

> the law then its 18 years for girl and 21 for boys so such country

> specific laws must be kept in mind.

> 6) After considering all the factors, and checking status of

planets

> like u have done like that of Venus who is important as its NK and

> also that of planets like Jupiter, we must also ascertain if the

> marital life is happy as that will also factor in determining the

> selection of the proper planet that can furnish the marriage. So

> things like lagna and 7th, moon and 7th etc if they are in 6:8 or

2:12

> or 5:9 etc must be noted.

> 7) If there are problems like no child or some other major problem

> exists or say multiple marriages then marriages might happen in 6th

> lord or in low / lowest power planet means less than 12 points.

>

> 8) after that one is in a better position to judge when the

marriage

> will take place. If everything is nice, happy marriage is

indicated

> then the first powerful planet after delay is over can furnish the

> marriage.

>

> 9) Then you have to narrow the sector and then finally the pdf to

get

> to 13 days accuracy.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , " everylightifound "

> <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this

is

> > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about

five

> > hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for

assistance

> > and correction where necessary, especially on determining

Mahadasha

> > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

complicated

> > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

consideration...

> >

> > Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

male's

> > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> > father's, and I told my father to write down his date of

marriage for

> > me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> > indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however,

I am

> > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based

on

> > samdharmi.

> >

> > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in

Kingston,

> > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> >

> > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna,

mercury

> > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the

Sun

> > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the

10th,

> > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> >

> > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of

Aswini, so

> > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn

in

> > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

with

> > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars

in

> > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> >

> > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B

(moon) is

> > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun

and

> > moon).

> >

> > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> >

> > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12

(11);

> > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > mars-47 pts

> > venus-28

> > jupiter-26

> > mercury-20

> > saturn-17

> > sun-14

> >

> > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> > mars has 8th sight on B

> > moon has 7th sight on B

> > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> >

> > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> >

> > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since

planet " A " -

> > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional

samdharmi to

> > jupiter

> >

> > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is

neutral

> > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So

Mercury

> > functional samdharmi to mars.

> >

> > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

Aquarius

> > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> >

> > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> >

> > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> >

> > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB

GIVES BAD

> > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> >

> > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> > significators.

> >

> > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

> >

> > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi

will

> > come forward for sub.

> >

> > MAHADASHA:

> > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from

2/7/2026-

> > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

strongest--

> > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

> >

> > ANTARDASHA:

> >

> > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

moon

> > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> >

> > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> >

> > ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

DOESN'T

> > ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

> >

> > Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it

seems

> > you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate

your

> > input.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Tom

> >

>

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-

Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

> significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

>

> I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue of

the

> fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26, which

is

> more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

> father's friend is...

>

> so.

>

> For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

> Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

>

> For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has six

> in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four in

the

> fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth, and

> jupiter has four in the eleventh.

>

> PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

>

> Jupiter 49

> mars 33

> saturn 27

> moon 23

> sun 18

> mercury 18

> venus 16

>

> So all planets are inclined to give postive results for marriage

> during subs

>

> NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE RESULTS

> UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

>

> SUN ASPECTS B

> JUPITER ASPECTS B

> SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

>

> However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able to

> give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

>

> So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

> jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through samdharmi

>

> NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

> venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

>

> FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> 1. mercury-venus in same sign

> sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

>

> 2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars BUT

> ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

>

> moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

> moon samdharmi jupiter

>

> 3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

> Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

>

> Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

>

> The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is not in

> Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter

isn't

> in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not in B,

> nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the primary

> upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all Primary

> upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not in

> 2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

>

> So natural karaka unspoiled.

>

> MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

>

> lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord

(saturn)

> sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord (saturn)

> sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

>

> moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

> moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

>

> Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty range

> causing DELAY

>

> HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

>

> -1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh (24)

> -All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

> -12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

> -sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

> -points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

> average or less than 28

> -mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and Navamsa

>

> 70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

>

> Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and

guidance!!!

>

> According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

> samdharmi;

>

> Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

> married; so need samdharmi;

>

> Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for

House

> A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

>

> Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

>

> Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause full

> delay of into third sector of selected sub.

>

> However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight on

> saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

> correct????

>

> This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager to

> give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th to

> it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

>

> Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will come

> and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with jupiter

> and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

>

> Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5 years

> isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only goes

> until 1995...

>

> Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub sector ,

but

> saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

>

> Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya, though

> aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

> house, like jupiter!

>

> Again, I'm confused.

>

> CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND REASONING?

>

> Thanks to all who have responded so far.

>

> -tom

-- In , " everylightifound "

<everylightifound wrote:

>

> Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

> significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

>

> I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue of

the

> fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26, which

is

> more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

> father's friend is...

>

> so.

>

> For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

> Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

>

> For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has six

> in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four in

the

> fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth, and

> jupiter has four in the eleventh.

>

> PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

>

> Jupiter 49

> mars 33

> saturn 27

> moon 23

> sun 18

> mercury 18

> venus 16

>

> So all planets are inclined to give postive results for marriage

> during subs

>

> NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE RESULTS

> UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

>

> SUN ASPECTS B

> JUPITER ASPECTS B

> SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

>

> However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able to

> give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

>

> So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

> jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through samdharmi

>

> NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

> venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

>

> FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> 1. mercury-venus in same sign

> sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

>

> 2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars BUT

> ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

>

> moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

> moon samdharmi jupiter

>

> 3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

> Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

>

> Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

>

> The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is not in

> Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter

isn't

> in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not in B,

> nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the primary

> upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all Primary

> upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not in

> 2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

>

> So natural karaka unspoiled.

>

> MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

>

> lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord

(saturn)

> sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord (saturn)

> sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

>

> moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

> moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

>

> Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty range

> causing DELAY

>

> HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

>

> -1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh (24)

> -All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

> -12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

> -sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

> -points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

> average or less than 28

> -mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and Navamsa

>

> 70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

>

> Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and

guidance!!!

>

> According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

> samdharmi;

>

> Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

> married; so need samdharmi;

>

> Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for

House

> A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

>

> Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

>

> Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause full

> delay of into third sector of selected sub.

>

> However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight on

> saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

> correct????

>

> This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager to

> give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th to

> it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

>

> Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will come

> and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with jupiter

> and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

>

> Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5 years

> isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only goes

> until 1995...

>

> Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub sector ,

but

> saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

>

> Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya, though

> aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

> house, like jupiter!

>

> Again, I'm confused.

>

> CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND REASONING?

>

> Thanks to all who have responded so far.

>

> -tom

>

, " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tom,

> > A fantastic attempt, you have put in a lot of effort.

> >

> > Yes, If this chart came to me, first thing I would see is that

> lagna

> > is at the border and so I would first ascertain if the lagna is

> > proper. 5-10 mins difference can exist depending on factors. In

> this

> > case this much difference can change the lagna. So we need to

> confirm

> > this before jumping into timing of event.

> >

> > Anup has done that.

> >

> > Tried to time the event using both lagnas. Here some major past

> > events will also help like his work, profession, job scenarios,

> > promotions, changes in job, period of worries, any health issues.

> > Nature of person can also be judged.

> >

> > Now for example here with Aqu lagna lagna points in SAV become 36

> v/s

> > Capricorn lagna where the lagna points are 26. So from this

> itself u

> > can judge the nature of the person.

> >

> > Intelligence can also be judged from lagna sun and moon from nav,

> > dreshkon and trishansa as well.

> >

> > Even DBCE points are rising from Mo and Lagna using Aqu lagna so

> this

> > might show the nature of the person and his nature.

> >

> > Once you are clear with lagna then you can venture into timing of

> events.

> >

> > For timing of events then you first need to find out the following

> >

> > 1) How much delay is there

> > 2) Are there any factors that can moderate this delay or a

powerful

> > blessing that can moderate or nullify the delay so this has to be

> judeged.

> > 3) Find out influence of 6th lord. Now here with Aqu lagna moon

is

> > the lord of 6th house but Mo and Su are special so here they

can't

> be

> > treated as 6th lord but we can say they are 12th from 7th lord as

> Mo

> > and Su cannot take on properties of 6th lord. This scenario

> changes

> > if lagna is Capricorn. With Capricorn 6th lord goes into 4th

house

> > with more bindus and this is a low where it spoils martial

> happiness.

> > 4) Before that study the status of Karak. If Karak is very badly

> > spoilt then result of B might not happen. So its very important

to

> > study the status of Venus and 2nd lord.

> > 5) Then before timing we need to also ascertain the chart w.r.t

the

> > country and customs and also the nature of person so we call that

> > desh, kaal and paatra or paristhi. For example in some countries

> > marraige at 21 yeasr might mean very delayed marraige as girls

> might

> > be getting married at 12-13 years. If its India and if one

follows

> > the law then its 18 years for girl and 21 for boys so such country

> > specific laws must be kept in mind.

> > 6) After considering all the factors, and checking status of

> planets

> > like u have done like that of Venus who is important as its NK and

> > also that of planets like Jupiter, we must also ascertain if the

> > marital life is happy as that will also factor in determining the

> > selection of the proper planet that can furnish the marriage. So

> > things like lagna and 7th, moon and 7th etc if they are in 6:8 or

> 2:12

> > or 5:9 etc must be noted.

> > 7) If there are problems like no child or some other major problem

> > exists or say multiple marriages then marriages might happen in

6th

> > lord or in low / lowest power planet means less than 12 points.

> >

> > 8) after that one is in a better position to judge when the

> marriage

> > will take place. If everything is nice, happy marriage is

> indicated

> > then the first powerful planet after delay is over can furnish the

> > marriage.

> >

> > 9) Then you have to narrow the sector and then finally the pdf to

> get

> > to 13 days accuracy.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > --- In

, " everylightifound "

> > <everylightifound@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello all,

> > >

> > > This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and

this

> is

> > > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about

> five

> > > hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for

> assistance

> > > and correction where necessary, especially on determining

> Mahadasha

> > > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

> complicated

> > > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

> consideration...

> > >

> > > Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

> male's

> > > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> > > father's, and I told my father to write down his date of

> marriage for

> > > me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> > > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and

divorce

> > > indications and figured out most functional samdharmis,

however,

> I am

> > > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods

based

> on

> > > samdharmi.

> > >

> > > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in

> Kingston,

> > > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> > >

> > > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna,

> mercury

> > > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the

> Sun

> > > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the

> 10th,

> > > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> > >

> > > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of

> Aswini, so

> > > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn

> in

> > > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

> with

> > > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars

> in

> > > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> > >

> > > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B

> (moon) is

> > > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun

> and

> > > moon).

> > >

> > > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> > >

> > > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12

> (11);

> > > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > > mars-47 pts

> > > venus-28

> > > jupiter-26

> > > mercury-20

> > > saturn-17

> > > sun-14

> > >

> > > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> > > mars has 8th sight on B

> > > moon has 7th sight on B

> > > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> > >

> > > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

> > >

> > > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> > >

> > > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since

> planet " A " -

> > > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional

> samdharmi to

> > > jupiter

> > >

> > > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is

> neutral

> > > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So

> Mercury

> > > functional samdharmi to mars.

> > >

> > > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> > > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

> Aquarius

> > > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> > >

> > > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> > >

> > > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> > >

> > > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> > >

> > > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> > >

> > > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB

> GIVES BAD

> > > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> > >

> > > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> > > significators.

> > >

> > > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

> > >

> > > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi

> will

> > > come forward for sub.

> > >

> > > MAHADASHA:

> > > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from

> 2/7/2026-

> > > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

> strongest--

> > > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> > > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

> > >

> > > ANTARDASHA:

> > >

> > > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars:

sun,

> moon

> > > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> > >

> > > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> > >

> > > ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

> DOESN'T

> > > ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

> > >

> > > Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it

> seems

> > > you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate

> your

> > > input.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Tom

> > >

> >

>

June 24, 2007

Dear Anup, Tom and all,

Was the marriage of this native performed in the month of Mar 1995 ?

Probable date might be 05 Mar to 14 Mar..

Though I am in hurry I just checked up the chart taking Cp asc with the birth

data given by Tom.

If this date is wrong or may be slightly + ot - then its ok.

If the date is far from this year then I will try again.

So give me feed back.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

" Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

Here i took TOB 02.00am and DST is YES.Time Zone taken is +5.00.

Coz the lagna was on borderline, so without taking few incidents to confirm TOB,

we cant ascertain the lagna and may vary either side.

Another thing was that the cocept was taken as an exercise to explain to Tom how

we reach upto antra while finding events.

Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Anup and Torn,

How r u getting asc 1Aq 14.

With the given co-ordinates what should be Time zone ?

Whether there is DST considered ? Since the birth is in the month of May, DST

must be taken into account?

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

" Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Tom,

Well as you say, you are a bit confused.Let me say that Mahadasha

hardly ascertain the timing of event(leaving few exceptions) .So, the timing of

event is determined by the antras in a Mahadasha.

Now taking as an exercise, the chart you gave,Asc is 1Aq14.

So first note that how the quality of marriage can be..like..

we have ratio from lagna and Moon to its 7th lord is 7:7 (conjoin)

From Sun and its 7tth lord is 4:10

(We sld also see from Venus and Mars if the native is a female and from Mars for

Male)

Even if you see the difference in 1st (36)and 7th(28) house points in summary

chart

its more than 4-5 points, so you can ascertain the marriage life will be not so

easy,

there must be some adjustments from both ends and arguments are expected.

After this see, if there is any delay and if its bt Saturn(nd not by Jup and

zero points etc) and no check by Jup, then you findout suitable antra which can

give marriage after delay, finding suitable lords of Upachaya houses of D and E,

which may be eager for the event .

I hope some other group memebrs wld also explain this to you where i am leaving

this:)

Ash has given you nice tips, just analyase these taking your time.You can get

all after this.

But you have done well

Regards

Anup

everylightifound <everylightifound wrote:

Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue of the

fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26, which is

more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

father's friend is...

so.

For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has six

in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four in the

fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth, and

jupiter has four in the eleventh.

PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

Jupiter 49

mars 33

saturn 27

moon 23

sun 18

mercury 18

venus 16

So all planets are inclined to give postive results for marriage

during subs

NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE RESULTS

UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

SUN ASPECTS B

JUPITER ASPECTS B

SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able to

give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through samdharmi

NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

1. mercury-venus in same sign

sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars BUT

ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

moon samdharmi jupiter

3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is not in

Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter isn't

in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not in B,

nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the primary

upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all Primary

upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not in

2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

So natural karaka unspoiled.

MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord (saturn)

sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord (saturn)

sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty range

causing DELAY

HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

-1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh (24)

-All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

-12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

-sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

-points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

average or less than 28

-mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and Navamsa

70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and guidance!!!

According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

samdharmi;

Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

married; so need samdharmi;

Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for House

A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause full

delay of into third sector of selected sub.

However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight on

saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

correct????

This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager to

give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th to

it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will come

and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with jupiter

and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5 years

isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only goes

until 1995...

Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub sector , but

saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya, though

aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

house, like jupiter!

Again, I'm confused.

CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND REASONING?

Thanks to all who have responded so far.

-tom

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Tom,

> A fantastic attempt, you have put in a lot of effort.

>

> Yes, If this chart came to me, first thing I would see is that

lagna

> is at the border and so I would first ascertain if the lagna is

> proper. 5-10 mins difference can exist depending on factors. In

this

> case this much difference can change the lagna. So we need to

confirm

> this before jumping into timing of event.

>

> Anup has done that.

>

> Tried to time the event using both lagnas. Here some major past

> events will also help like his work, profession, job scenarios,

> promotions, changes in job, period of worries, any health issues.

> Nature of person can also be judged.

>

> Now for example here with Aqu lagna lagna points in SAV become 36

v/s

> Capricorn lagna where the lagna points are 26. So from this

itself u

> can judge the nature of the person.

>

> Intelligence can also be judged from lagna sun and moon from nav,

> dreshkon and trishansa as well.

>

> Even DBCE points are rising from Mo and Lagna using Aqu lagna so

this

> might show the nature of the person and his nature.

>

> Once you are clear with lagna then you can venture into timing of

events.

>

> For timing of events then you first need to find out the following

>

> 1) How much delay is there

> 2) Are there any factors that can moderate this delay or a powerful

> blessing that can moderate or nullify the delay so this has to be

judeged.

> 3) Find out influence of 6th lord. Now here with Aqu lagna moon is

> the lord of 6th house but Mo and Su are special so here they can't

be

> treated as 6th lord but we can say they are 12th from 7th lord as

Mo

> and Su cannot take on properties of 6th lord. This scenario

changes

> if lagna is Capricorn. With Capricorn 6th lord goes into 4th house

> with more bindus and this is a low where it spoils martial

happiness.

> 4) Before that study the status of Karak. If Karak is very badly

> spoilt then result of B might not happen. So its very important to

> study the status of Venus and 2nd lord.

> 5) Then before timing we need to also ascertain the chart w.r.t the

> country and customs and also the nature of person so we call that

> desh, kaal and paatra or paristhi. For example in some countries

> marraige at 21 yeasr might mean very delayed marraige as girls

might

> be getting married at 12-13 years. If its India and if one follows

> the law then its 18 years for girl and 21 for boys so such country

> specific laws must be kept in mind.

> 6) After considering all the factors, and checking status of

planets

> like u have done like that of Venus who is important as its NK and

> also that of planets like Jupiter, we must also ascertain if the

> marital life is happy as that will also factor in determining the

> selection of the proper planet that can furnish the marriage. So

> things like lagna and 7th, moon and 7th etc if they are in 6:8 or

2:12

> or 5:9 etc must be noted.

> 7) If there are problems like no child or some other major problem

> exists or say multiple marriages then marriages might happen in 6th

> lord or in low / lowest power planet means less than 12 points.

>

> 8) after that one is in a better position to judge when the

marriage

> will take place. If everything is nice, happy marriage is

indicated

> then the first powerful planet after delay is over can furnish the

> marriage.

>

> 9) Then you have to narrow the sector and then finally the pdf to

get

> to 13 days accuracy.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , " everylightifound "

> <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this

is

> > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about

five

> > hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for

assistance

> > and correction where necessary, especially on determining

Mahadasha

> > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

complicated

> > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

consideration...

> >

> > Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

male's

> > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> > father's, and I told my father to write down his date of

marriage for

> > me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> > indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however,

I am

> > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based

on

> > samdharmi.

> >

> > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in

Kingston,

> > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> >

> > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna,

mercury

> > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the

Sun

> > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the

10th,

> > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> >

> > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of

Aswini, so

> > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn

in

> > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

with

> > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars

in

> > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> >

> > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B

(moon) is

> > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun

and

> > moon).

> >

> > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> >

> > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12

(11);

> > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > mars-47 pts

> > venus-28

> > jupiter-26

> > mercury-20

> > saturn-17

> > sun-14

> >

> > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> > mars has 8th sight on B

> > moon has 7th sight on B

> > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> >

> > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> >

> > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since

planet " A " -

> > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional

samdharmi to

> > jupiter

> >

> > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is

neutral

> > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So

Mercury

> > functional samdharmi to mars.

> >

> > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

Aquarius

> > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> >

> > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> >

> > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> >

> > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB

GIVES BAD

> > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> >

> > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> > significators.

> >

> > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

> >

> > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi

will

> > come forward for sub.

> >

> > MAHADASHA:

> > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from

2/7/2026-

> > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

strongest--

> > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

> >

> > ANTARDASHA:

> >

> > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

moon

> > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> >

> > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> >

> > ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

DOESN'T

> > ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

> >

> > Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it

seems

> > you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate

your

> > input.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Tom

> >

>

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lay it on us.

June 24, 2007

Dear Ramesh,

Are you getting 28Cap29Asc.If so, plz check the delay.FK Sat in 6th house in

Navamsa .So

this may lead to full delay upto Apr1998, though Jup aspecting Sat but its

properties are spoiled being in 6th house in navamsa.

Regards

Anup

" Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

Here i took TOB 02.00am and DST is YES.Time Zone taken is +5.00.

Coz the lagna was on borderline, so without taking few incidents to confirm TOB,

we cant ascertain the lagna and may vary either side.

Another thing was that the cocept was taken as an exercise to explain to Tom how

we reach upto antra while finding events.

Regards

Anup

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Anup and Torn,

How r u getting asc 1Aq 14.

With the given co-ordinates what should be Time zone ?

Whether there is DST considered ? Since the birth is in the month of May, DST

must be taken into account?

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

" Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

Dear Tom,

Well as you say, you are a bit confused.Let me say that Mahadasha

hardly ascertain the timing of event(leaving few exceptions) .So, the timing of

event is determined by the antras in a Mahadasha.

Now taking as an exercise, the chart you gave,Asc is 1Aq14.

So first note that how the quality of marriage can be..like..

we have ratio from lagna and Moon to its 7th lord is 7:7 (conjoin)

From Sun and its 7tth lord is 4:10

(We sld also see from Venus and Mars if the native is a female and from Mars for

Male)

Even if you see the difference in 1st (36)and 7th(28) house points in summary

chart

its more than 4-5 points, so you can ascertain the marriage life will be not so

easy,

there must be some adjustments from both ends and arguments are expected.

After this see, if there is any delay and if its bt Saturn(nd not by Jup and

zero points etc) and no check by Jup, then you findout suitable antra which can

give marriage after delay, finding suitable lords of Upachaya houses of D and E,

which may be eager for the event .

I hope some other group memebrs wld also explain this to you where i am leaving

this:)

Ash has given you nice tips, just analyase these taking your time.You can get

all after this.

But you have done well

Regards

Anup

everylightifound <everylightifound wrote:

Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue of the

fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26, which is

more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

father's friend is...

so.

For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has six

in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four in the

fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth, and

jupiter has four in the eleventh.

PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

Jupiter 49

mars 33

saturn 27

moon 23

sun 18

mercury 18

venus 16

So all planets are inclined to give postive results for marriage

during subs

NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE RESULTS

UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

SUN ASPECTS B

JUPITER ASPECTS B

SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able to

give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through samdharmi

NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

1. mercury-venus in same sign

sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars BUT

ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

moon samdharmi jupiter

3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is not in

Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter isn't

in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not in B,

nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the primary

upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all Primary

upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not in

2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

So natural karaka unspoiled.

MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord (saturn)

sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord (saturn)

sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty range

causing DELAY

HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

-1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh (24)

-All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

-12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

-sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

-points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

average or less than 28

-mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and Navamsa

70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and guidance!!!

According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

samdharmi;

Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

married; so need samdharmi;

Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for House

A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause full

delay of into third sector of selected sub.

However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight on

saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

correct????

This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager to

give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th to

it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will come

and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with jupiter

and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5 years

isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only goes

until 1995...

Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub sector , but

saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya, though

aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

house, like jupiter!

Again, I'm confused.

CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND REASONING?

Thanks to all who have responded so far.

-tom

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Tom,

> A fantastic attempt, you have put in a lot of effort.

>

> Yes, If this chart came to me, first thing I would see is that

lagna

> is at the border and so I would first ascertain if the lagna is

> proper. 5-10 mins difference can exist depending on factors. In

this

> case this much difference can change the lagna. So we need to

confirm

> this before jumping into timing of event.

>

> Anup has done that.

>

> Tried to time the event using both lagnas. Here some major past

> events will also help like his work, profession, job scenarios,

> promotions, changes in job, period of worries, any health issues.

> Nature of person can also be judged.

>

> Now for example here with Aqu lagna lagna points in SAV become 36

v/s

> Capricorn lagna where the lagna points are 26. So from this

itself u

> can judge the nature of the person.

>

> Intelligence can also be judged from lagna sun and moon from nav,

> dreshkon and trishansa as well.

>

> Even DBCE points are rising from Mo and Lagna using Aqu lagna so

this

> might show the nature of the person and his nature.

>

> Once you are clear with lagna then you can venture into timing of

events.

>

> For timing of events then you first need to find out the following

>

> 1) How much delay is there

> 2) Are there any factors that can moderate this delay or a powerful

> blessing that can moderate or nullify the delay so this has to be

judeged.

> 3) Find out influence of 6th lord. Now here with Aqu lagna moon is

> the lord of 6th house but Mo and Su are special so here they can't

be

> treated as 6th lord but we can say they are 12th from 7th lord as

Mo

> and Su cannot take on properties of 6th lord. This scenario

changes

> if lagna is Capricorn. With Capricorn 6th lord goes into 4th house

> with more bindus and this is a low where it spoils martial

happiness.

> 4) Before that study the status of Karak. If Karak is very badly

> spoilt then result of B might not happen. So its very important to

> study the status of Venus and 2nd lord.

> 5) Then before timing we need to also ascertain the chart w.r.t the

> country and customs and also the nature of person so we call that

> desh, kaal and paatra or paristhi. For example in some countries

> marraige at 21 yeasr might mean very delayed marraige as girls

might

> be getting married at 12-13 years. If its India and if one follows

> the law then its 18 years for girl and 21 for boys so such country

> specific laws must be kept in mind.

> 6) After considering all the factors, and checking status of

planets

> like u have done like that of Venus who is important as its NK and

> also that of planets like Jupiter, we must also ascertain if the

> marital life is happy as that will also factor in determining the

> selection of the proper planet that can furnish the marriage. So

> things like lagna and 7th, moon and 7th etc if they are in 6:8 or

2:12

> or 5:9 etc must be noted.

> 7) If there are problems like no child or some other major problem

> exists or say multiple marriages then marriages might happen in 6th

> lord or in low / lowest power planet means less than 12 points.

>

> 8) after that one is in a better position to judge when the

marriage

> will take place. If everything is nice, happy marriage is

indicated

> then the first powerful planet after delay is over can furnish the

> marriage.

>

> 9) Then you have to narrow the sector and then finally the pdf to

get

> to 13 days accuracy.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , " everylightifound "

> <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this

is

> > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about

five

> > hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for

assistance

> > and correction where necessary, especially on determining

Mahadasha

> > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

complicated

> > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

consideration...

> >

> > Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

male's

> > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> > father's, and I told my father to write down his date of

marriage for

> > me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> > indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however,

I am

> > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based

on

> > samdharmi.

> >

> > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in

Kingston,

> > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> >

> > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna,

mercury

> > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the

Sun

> > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the

10th,

> > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> >

> > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of

Aswini, so

> > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn

in

> > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

with

> > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars

in

> > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> >

> > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B

(moon) is

> > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun

and

> > moon).

> >

> > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> >

> > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12

(11);

> > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > mars-47 pts

> > venus-28

> > jupiter-26

> > mercury-20

> > saturn-17

> > sun-14

> >

> > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> > mars has 8th sight on B

> > moon has 7th sight on B

> > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> >

> > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> >

> > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since

planet " A " -

> > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional

samdharmi to

> > jupiter

> >

> > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is

neutral

> > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So

Mercury

> > functional samdharmi to mars.

> >

> > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

Aquarius

> > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> >

> > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> >

> > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> >

> > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB

GIVES BAD

> > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> >

> > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> > significators.

> >

> > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

> >

> > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi

will

> > come forward for sub.

> >

> > MAHADASHA:

> > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from

2/7/2026-

> > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

strongest--

> > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

> >

> > ANTARDASHA:

> >

> > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

moon

> > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> >

> > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> >

> > ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

DOESN'T

> > ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

> >

> > Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it

seems

> > you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate

your

> > input.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Tom

> >

>

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June 24, 2007

Dear Anup,

Sa in 5th house delays event of 7th house and also 5th in navamsa. Sa

going into 6th house in navamsa does not mean that it will delay. Yes

in this case Sa will delay event as it is affecting all 3 house / lord

of Rasi in rasi and/or navamsa.

I wanted to point out this difference to you.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " Anup. M "

<dalh_1 wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> Are you getting 28Cap29Asc.If so, plz check the delay.FK Sat in

6th house in Navamsa .So

> this may lead to full delay upto Apr1998, though Jup aspecting Sat

but its properties are spoiled being in 6th house in navamsa.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

> " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> Here i took TOB 02.00am and DST is YES.Time Zone taken is +5.00.

> Coz the lagna was on borderline, so without taking few incidents to

confirm TOB, we cant ascertain the lagna and may vary either side.

> Another thing was that the cocept was taken as an exercise to

explain to Tom how we reach upto antra while finding events.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup and Torn,

> How r u getting asc 1Aq 14.

> With the given co-ordinates what should be Time zone ?

> Whether there is DST considered ? Since the birth is in the month of

May, DST must be taken into account?

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Tom,

>

> Well as you say, you are a bit confused.Let me say that Mahadasha

> hardly ascertain the timing of event(leaving few exceptions) .So,

the timing of event is determined by the antras in a Mahadasha.

> Now taking as an exercise, the chart you gave,Asc is 1Aq14.

> So first note that how the quality of marriage can be..like..

> we have ratio from lagna and Moon to its 7th lord is 7:7 (conjoin)

> From Sun and its 7tth lord is 4:10

> (We sld also see from Venus and Mars if the native is a female and

from Mars for Male)

> Even if you see the difference in 1st (36)and 7th(28) house points

in summary chart

> its more than 4-5 points, so you can ascertain the marriage life

will be not so easy,

> there must be some adjustments from both ends and arguments are

expected.

>

> After this see, if there is any delay and if its bt Saturn(nd not by

Jup and zero points etc) and no check by Jup, then you findout

suitable antra which can give marriage after delay, finding suitable

lords of Upachaya houses of D and E, which may be eager for the event .

> I hope some other group memebrs wld also explain this to you where i

am leaving this:)

> Ash has given you nice tips, just analyase these taking your

time.You can get all after this.

>

> But you have done well

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

> everylightifound <everylightifound wrote:

>

> Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

> significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

>

> I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue of the

> fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26, which is

> more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

> father's friend is...

>

> so.

>

> For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

> Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

>

> For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has six

> in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four in the

> fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth, and

> jupiter has four in the eleventh.

>

> PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

>

> Jupiter 49

> mars 33

> saturn 27

> moon 23

> sun 18

> mercury 18

> venus 16

>

> So all planets are inclined to give postive results for marriage

> during subs

>

> NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE RESULTS

> UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

>

> SUN ASPECTS B

> JUPITER ASPECTS B

> SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

>

> However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able to

> give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

>

> So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

> jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through samdharmi

>

> NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

> venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

>

> FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> 1. mercury-venus in same sign

> sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

>

> 2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars BUT

> ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

>

> moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

> moon samdharmi jupiter

>

> 3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

> Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

>

> Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

>

> The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is not in

> Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter isn't

> in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not in B,

> nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the primary

> upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all Primary

> upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not in

> 2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

>

> So natural karaka unspoiled.

>

> MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

>

> lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord (saturn)

> sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord (saturn)

> sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

>

> moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

> moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

>

> Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty range

> causing DELAY

>

> HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

>

> -1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh (24)

> -All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

> -12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

> -sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

> -points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

> average or less than 28

> -mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and Navamsa

>

> 70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

>

> Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and guidance!!!

>

> According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

> samdharmi;

>

> Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

> married; so need samdharmi;

>

> Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for House

> A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

>

> Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

>

> Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause full

> delay of into third sector of selected sub.

>

> However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight on

> saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

> correct????

>

> This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager to

> give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th to

> it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

>

> Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will come

> and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with jupiter

> and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

>

> Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5 years

> isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only goes

> until 1995...

>

> Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub sector , but

> saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

>

> Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya, though

> aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

> house, like jupiter!

>

> Again, I'm confused.

>

> CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND REASONING?

>

> Thanks to all who have responded so far.

>

> -tom

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tom,

> > A fantastic attempt, you have put in a lot of effort.

> >

> > Yes, If this chart came to me, first thing I would see is that

> lagna

> > is at the border and so I would first ascertain if the lagna is

> > proper. 5-10 mins difference can exist depending on factors. In

> this

> > case this much difference can change the lagna. So we need to

> confirm

> > this before jumping into timing of event.

> >

> > Anup has done that.

> >

> > Tried to time the event using both lagnas. Here some major past

> > events will also help like his work, profession, job scenarios,

> > promotions, changes in job, period of worries, any health issues.

> > Nature of person can also be judged.

> >

> > Now for example here with Aqu lagna lagna points in SAV become 36

> v/s

> > Capricorn lagna where the lagna points are 26. So from this

> itself u

> > can judge the nature of the person.

> >

> > Intelligence can also be judged from lagna sun and moon from nav,

> > dreshkon and trishansa as well.

> >

> > Even DBCE points are rising from Mo and Lagna using Aqu lagna so

> this

> > might show the nature of the person and his nature.

> >

> > Once you are clear with lagna then you can venture into timing of

> events.

> >

> > For timing of events then you first need to find out the following

> >

> > 1) How much delay is there

> > 2) Are there any factors that can moderate this delay or a powerful

> > blessing that can moderate or nullify the delay so this has to be

> judeged.

> > 3) Find out influence of 6th lord. Now here with Aqu lagna moon is

> > the lord of 6th house but Mo and Su are special so here they can't

> be

> > treated as 6th lord but we can say they are 12th from 7th lord as

> Mo

> > and Su cannot take on properties of 6th lord. This scenario

> changes

> > if lagna is Capricorn. With Capricorn 6th lord goes into 4th house

> > with more bindus and this is a low where it spoils martial

> happiness.

> > 4) Before that study the status of Karak. If Karak is very badly

> > spoilt then result of B might not happen. So its very important to

> > study the status of Venus and 2nd lord.

> > 5) Then before timing we need to also ascertain the chart w.r.t the

> > country and customs and also the nature of person so we call that

> > desh, kaal and paatra or paristhi. For example in some countries

> > marraige at 21 yeasr might mean very delayed marraige as girls

> might

> > be getting married at 12-13 years. If its India and if one follows

> > the law then its 18 years for girl and 21 for boys so such country

> > specific laws must be kept in mind.

> > 6) After considering all the factors, and checking status of

> planets

> > like u have done like that of Venus who is important as its NK and

> > also that of planets like Jupiter, we must also ascertain if the

> > marital life is happy as that will also factor in determining the

> > selection of the proper planet that can furnish the marriage. So

> > things like lagna and 7th, moon and 7th etc if they are in 6:8 or

> 2:12

> > or 5:9 etc must be noted.

> > 7) If there are problems like no child or some other major problem

> > exists or say multiple marriages then marriages might happen in 6th

> > lord or in low / lowest power planet means less than 12 points.

> >

> > 8) after that one is in a better position to judge when the

> marriage

> > will take place. If everything is nice, happy marriage is

> indicated

> > then the first powerful planet after delay is over can furnish the

> > marriage.

> >

> > 9) Then you have to narrow the sector and then finally the pdf to

> get

> > to 13 days accuracy.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > , " everylightifound "

> > <everylightifound@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello all,

> > >

> > > This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this

> is

> > > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about

> five

> > > hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for

> assistance

> > > and correction where necessary, especially on determining

> Mahadasha

> > > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

> complicated

> > > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

> consideration...

> > >

> > > Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

> male's

> > > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> > > father's, and I told my father to write down his date of

> marriage for

> > > me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> > > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> > > indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however,

> I am

> > > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based

> on

> > > samdharmi.

> > >

> > > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in

> Kingston,

> > > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> > >

> > > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna,

> mercury

> > > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the

> Sun

> > > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the

> 10th,

> > > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> > >

> > > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of

> Aswini, so

> > > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn

> in

> > > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

> with

> > > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars

> in

> > > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> > >

> > > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B

> (moon) is

> > > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun

> and

> > > moon).

> > >

> > > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> > >

> > > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12

> (11);

> > > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > > mars-47 pts

> > > venus-28

> > > jupiter-26

> > > mercury-20

> > > saturn-17

> > > sun-14

> > >

> > > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> > > mars has 8th sight on B

> > > moon has 7th sight on B

> > > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> > >

> > > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

> > >

> > > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> > >

> > > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since

> planet " A " -

> > > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional

> samdharmi to

> > > jupiter

> > >

> > > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is

> neutral

> > > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So

> Mercury

> > > functional samdharmi to mars.

> > >

> > > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> > > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

> Aquarius

> > > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> > >

> > > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> > >

> > > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> > >

> > > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> > >

> > > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> > >

> > > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB

> GIVES BAD

> > > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> > >

> > > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> > > significators.

> > >

> > > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

> > >

> > > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi

> will

> > > come forward for sub.

> > >

> > > MAHADASHA:

> > > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from

> 2/7/2026-

> > > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

> strongest--

> > > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> > > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

> > >

> > > ANTARDASHA:

> > >

> > > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

> moon

> > > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> > >

> > > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> > >

> > > ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

> DOESN'T

> > > ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

> > >

> > > Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it

> seems

> > > you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate

> your

> > > input.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Tom

> > >

> >

>

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>

June 24, 2007

Dear Ash,

Just a fullstop was there wen i wrote as u can see " Plz chk

the delay " .

So obviously there was full delay due to Sat .I only added another thing Sat

being in 6th house for quality purpose.

Thanxs anyway Ash.

Regards

Anup

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Anup,

Sa in 5th house delays event of 7th house and also 5th in navamsa. Sa

going into 6th house in navamsa does not mean that it will delay. Yes

in this case Sa will delay event as it is affecting all 3 house / lord

of Rasi in rasi and/or navamsa.

I wanted to point out this difference to you.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " Anup. M "

<dalh_1 wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> Are you getting 28Cap29Asc.If so, plz check the delay.FK Sat in

6th house in Navamsa .So

> this may lead to full delay upto Apr1998, though Jup aspecting Sat

but its properties are spoiled being in 6th house in navamsa.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

> " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> Here i took TOB 02.00am and DST is YES.Time Zone taken is +5.00.

> Coz the lagna was on borderline, so without taking few incidents to

confirm TOB, we cant ascertain the lagna and may vary either side.

> Another thing was that the cocept was taken as an exercise to

explain to Tom how we reach upto antra while finding events.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup and Torn,

> How r u getting asc 1Aq 14.

> With the given co-ordinates what should be Time zone ?

> Whether there is DST considered ? Since the birth is in the month of

May, DST must be taken into account?

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Tom,

>

> Well as you say, you are a bit confused.Let me say that Mahadasha

> hardly ascertain the timing of event(leaving few exceptions) .So,

the timing of event is determined by the antras in a Mahadasha.

> Now taking as an exercise, the chart you gave,Asc is 1Aq14.

> So first note that how the quality of marriage can be..like..

> we have ratio from lagna and Moon to its 7th lord is 7:7 (conjoin)

> From Sun and its 7tth lord is 4:10

> (We sld also see from Venus and Mars if the native is a female and

from Mars for Male)

> Even if you see the difference in 1st (36)and 7th(28) house points

in summary chart

> its more than 4-5 points, so you can ascertain the marriage life

will be not so easy,

> there must be some adjustments from both ends and arguments are

expected.

>

> After this see, if there is any delay and if its bt Saturn(nd not by

Jup and zero points etc) and no check by Jup, then you findout

suitable antra which can give marriage after delay, finding suitable

lords of Upachaya houses of D and E, which may be eager for the event .

> I hope some other group memebrs wld also explain this to you where i

am leaving this:)

> Ash has given you nice tips, just analyase these taking your

time.You can get all after this.

>

> But you have done well

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

> everylightifound <everylightifound wrote:

>

> Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

> significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

>

> I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue of the

> fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26, which is

> more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

> father's friend is...

>

> so.

>

> For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

> Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

>

> For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has six

> in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four in the

> fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth, and

> jupiter has four in the eleventh.

>

> PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

>

> Jupiter 49

> mars 33

> saturn 27

> moon 23

> sun 18

> mercury 18

> venus 16

>

> So all planets are inclined to give postive results for marriage

> during subs

>

> NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE RESULTS

> UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

>

> SUN ASPECTS B

> JUPITER ASPECTS B

> SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

>

> However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able to

> give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

>

> So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

> jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through samdharmi

>

> NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

> venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

>

> FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> 1. mercury-venus in same sign

> sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

>

> 2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars BUT

> ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

>

> moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

> moon samdharmi jupiter

>

> 3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

> Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

>

> Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

>

> The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is not in

> Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter isn't

> in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not in B,

> nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the primary

> upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all Primary

> upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not in

> 2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

>

> So natural karaka unspoiled.

>

> MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

>

> lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord (saturn)

> sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord (saturn)

> sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

>

> moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

> moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

>

> Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty range

> causing DELAY

>

> HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

>

> -1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh (24)

> -All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

> -12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

> -sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

> -points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

> average or less than 28

> -mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and Navamsa

>

> 70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

>

> Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and guidance!!!

>

> According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

> samdharmi;

>

> Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

> married; so need samdharmi;

>

> Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for House

> A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

>

> Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

>

> Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause full

> delay of into third sector of selected sub.

>

> However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight on

> saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

> correct????

>

> This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager to

> give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th to

> it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

>

> Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will come

> and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with jupiter

> and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

>

> Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5 years

> isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only goes

> until 1995...

>

> Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub sector , but

> saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

>

> Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya, though

> aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

> house, like jupiter!

>

> Again, I'm confused.

>

> CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND REASONING?

>

> Thanks to all who have responded so far.

>

> -tom

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tom,

> > A fantastic attempt, you have put in a lot of effort.

> >

> > Yes, If this chart came to me, first thing I would see is that

> lagna

> > is at the border and so I would first ascertain if the lagna is

> > proper. 5-10 mins difference can exist depending on factors. In

> this

> > case this much difference can change the lagna. So we need to

> confirm

> > this before jumping into timing of event.

> >

> > Anup has done that.

> >

> > Tried to time the event using both lagnas. Here some major past

> > events will also help like his work, profession, job scenarios,

> > promotions, changes in job, period of worries, any health issues.

> > Nature of person can also be judged.

> >

> > Now for example here with Aqu lagna lagna points in SAV become 36

> v/s

> > Capricorn lagna where the lagna points are 26. So from this

> itself u

> > can judge the nature of the person.

> >

> > Intelligence can also be judged from lagna sun and moon from nav,

> > dreshkon and trishansa as well.

> >

> > Even DBCE points are rising from Mo and Lagna using Aqu lagna so

> this

> > might show the nature of the person and his nature.

> >

> > Once you are clear with lagna then you can venture into timing of

> events.

> >

> > For timing of events then you first need to find out the following

> >

> > 1) How much delay is there

> > 2) Are there any factors that can moderate this delay or a powerful

> > blessing that can moderate or nullify the delay so this has to be

> judeged.

> > 3) Find out influence of 6th lord. Now here with Aqu lagna moon is

> > the lord of 6th house but Mo and Su are special so here they can't

> be

> > treated as 6th lord but we can say they are 12th from 7th lord as

> Mo

> > and Su cannot take on properties of 6th lord. This scenario

> changes

> > if lagna is Capricorn. With Capricorn 6th lord goes into 4th house

> > with more bindus and this is a low where it spoils martial

> happiness.

> > 4) Before that study the status of Karak. If Karak is very badly

> > spoilt then result of B might not happen. So its very important to

> > study the status of Venus and 2nd lord.

> > 5) Then before timing we need to also ascertain the chart w.r.t the

> > country and customs and also the nature of person so we call that

> > desh, kaal and paatra or paristhi. For example in some countries

> > marraige at 21 yeasr might mean very delayed marraige as girls

> might

> > be getting married at 12-13 years. If its India and if one follows

> > the law then its 18 years for girl and 21 for boys so such country

> > specific laws must be kept in mind.

> > 6) After considering all the factors, and checking status of

> planets

> > like u have done like that of Venus who is important as its NK and

> > also that of planets like Jupiter, we must also ascertain if the

> > marital life is happy as that will also factor in determining the

> > selection of the proper planet that can furnish the marriage. So

> > things like lagna and 7th, moon and 7th etc if they are in 6:8 or

> 2:12

> > or 5:9 etc must be noted.

> > 7) If there are problems like no child or some other major problem

> > exists or say multiple marriages then marriages might happen in 6th

> > lord or in low / lowest power planet means less than 12 points.

> >

> > 8) after that one is in a better position to judge when the

> marriage

> > will take place. If everything is nice, happy marriage is

> indicated

> > then the first powerful planet after delay is over can furnish the

> > marriage.

> >

> > 9) Then you have to narrow the sector and then finally the pdf to

> get

> > to 13 days accuracy.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > , " everylightifound "

> > <everylightifound@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello all,

> > >

> > > This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this

> is

> > > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about

> five

> > > hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for

> assistance

> > > and correction where necessary, especially on determining

> Mahadasha

> > > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

> complicated

> > > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

> consideration...

> > >

> > > Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

> male's

> > > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> > > father's, and I told my father to write down his date of

> marriage for

> > > me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> > > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> > > indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however,

> I am

> > > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based

> on

> > > samdharmi.

> > >

> > > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in

> Kingston,

> > > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> > >

> > > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna,

> mercury

> > > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the

> Sun

> > > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the

> 10th,

> > > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> > >

> > > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of

> Aswini, so

> > > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn

> in

> > > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

> with

> > > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars

> in

> > > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> > >

> > > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B

> (moon) is

> > > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun

> and

> > > moon).

> > >

> > > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> > >

> > > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12

> (11);

> > > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > > mars-47 pts

> > > venus-28

> > > jupiter-26

> > > mercury-20

> > > saturn-17

> > > sun-14

> > >

> > > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> > > mars has 8th sight on B

> > > moon has 7th sight on B

> > > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> > >

> > > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

> > >

> > > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> > >

> > > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since

> planet " A " -

> > > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional

> samdharmi to

> > > jupiter

> > >

> > > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is

> neutral

> > > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So

> Mercury

> > > functional samdharmi to mars.

> > >

> > > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> > > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

> Aquarius

> > > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> > >

> > > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> > >

> > > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> > >

> > > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> > >

> > > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> > >

> > > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB

> GIVES BAD

> > > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> > >

> > > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> > > significators.

> > >

> > > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

> > >

> > > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi

> will

> > > come forward for sub.

> > >

> > > MAHADASHA:

> > > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from

> 2/7/2026-

> > > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

> strongest--

> > > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> > > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

> > >

> > > ANTARDASHA:

> > >

> > > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

> moon

> > > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> > >

> > > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> > >

> > > ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

> DOESN'T

> > > ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

> > >

> > > Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it

> seems

> > > you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate

> your

> > > input.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Tom

> > >

> >

>

> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's

user panel and lay it on us.

>

June 25, 2007

SEE ADDITIONAL ADDED AT END OF THIS PREVIOUS POST!

, " everylightifound "

<everylightifound wrote:

>

> -

Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

> > significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

> >

> > I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue of

> the

> > fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26, which

> is

> > more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

> > father's friend is...

> >

> > so.

> >

> > For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

> > Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

> >

> > For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has

six

> > in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four in

> the

> > fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth, and

> > jupiter has four in the eleventh.

> >

> > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

> >

> > Jupiter 49

> > mars 33

> > saturn 27

> > moon 23

> > sun 18

> > mercury 18

> > venus 16

> >

> > So all planets are inclined to give postive results for marriage

> > during subs

> >

> > NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE RESULTS

> > UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

> >

> > SUN ASPECTS B

> > JUPITER ASPECTS B

> > SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

> >

> > However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able

to

> > give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

> >

> > So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

> > jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through

samdharmi

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > 1. mercury-venus in same sign

> > sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

> >

> > 2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars BUT

> > ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

> >

> > moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

> > moon samdharmi jupiter

> >

> > 3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

> > Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

> >

> > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> > Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

> >

> > The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is not

in

> > Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter

> isn't

> > in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not in

B,

> > nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the

primary

> > upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all

Primary

> > upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not in

> > 2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

> >

> > So natural karaka unspoiled.

> >

> > MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

> >

> > lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord

> (saturn)

> > sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord (saturn)

> > sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

> >

> > moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

> > moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

> >

> > Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty

range

> > causing DELAY

> >

> > HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

> >

> > -1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh (24)

> > -All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

> > -12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

> > -sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

> > -points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

> > average or less than 28

> > -mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and Navamsa

> >

> > 70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

> >

> > Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and

> guidance!!!

> >

> > According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

> > samdharmi;

> >

> > Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

> > married; so need samdharmi;

> >

> > Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for

> House

> > A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

> >

> > Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

> >

> > Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause full

> > delay of into third sector of selected sub.

> >

> > However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight on

> > saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

> > correct????

> >

> > This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager to

> > give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th to

> > it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

> >

> > Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will

come

> > and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with

jupiter

> > and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

> >

> > Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5 years

> > isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only goes

> > until 1995...

> >

> > Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub sector ,

> but

> > saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

> >

> > Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya,

though

> > aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

> > house, like jupiter!

> >

> > Again, I'm confused.

SATURN'S TRANSIT THROUGH A SIGN TAKES 29.5 YEARS ACCORDING TO

ASTRONOMY, AND NATAL SATURN IS AT 3 DEGREES 36 MINUTES TAURUS--

SO 29.5 YEARS/30 DEGREES MULTIPLIED BY 3.6 DEGREES IS EQUAL TO A

PERIOD OF 3.54 YEARS INTO TAURUS AT BIRTH TIME.

JUDGING FROM POSTS BY ASH AND OTHERS, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT SATURN'S

FULL DELAY IS OVER WHEN IT REACHES 0 DEGREES OF THE NEXT SIGN?????

TAKING THAT TO BE THE CASE--25.96 YEARS MINIMUM MUST PASS TILL

MARRIAGE--

WHEN THE NATIVE IS 25 YEARS, 351 DAYS OLD, HE IS IN HIS SATURN/RAHU

SUB, FROM OCTOBER 21, 1996 TO AUGUST 28, 1999

JUPITER, BEING THE STRONGEST POSITIVE SIGNIFICATOR BY FAR WITH 49

POINTS, AND LORD OF E TO BOOT!, WANTS DESPERATELY TO GIVE EVENT

(CORRECT?), HOWEVER IT MOST CERTAINLY CAN'T BECAUSE IT IS IN THE 12TH

FROM IT'S OWN HOUSE.

THEREFORE, JUPITER'S SAMDHARMI, IDEALLY THE LORD OF A SECONDARY

UPACHAYA, OR A PLANET IN AN UPACHAYA WITH MORE POINTS WILL COME

FORWARD TO GIVE THE EVENT, CORRECT????

SO: FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS--

MOON: IS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF JUPITER

IS PLANET A WITH MORE POINTS IN 4:10 RELATIONSHIP WITH JUPITER

AND IS LORD OF B FOCUS HOUSE IN PRIMARY UPACHAYA A WITH MORE PTS.

IS FOURTH STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR IN W.S WITH 23 POINTS

PROBLEM IS THAT NEXT MOON SUB IS TOO FAR AWAY, BEING APRIL 9TH, 1999

TO SEPTEMBER 9, 2010 AND THE NATIVE IS ALREADY MARRIED!!!

SO: SINCE JUPITER HAS NO OTHER SAMDHARMIS, I WILL CONSIDER NEXT

HIGHEST SIGNIFICATOR, MARS, WITH 33 POINTS IN W.S

MARS: IS IN NAKSHATRA OF MOON, FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMI TO JUPITER

(SIGNIFICANT?)

IS SECONDARY UPACHAYA E LORD AND PRIMARY UPACHAYA C LORD

I WOULD CONSIDER MARS FOR RESULTS, EVEN THOUGH ASPECTING PRIMARY

UPACHAYA B, BECAUSE OF GREATER THAN 20 POINTS IN W.S, HOWEVER MAR'S

NEXT SUB COMES TOO LATE , BEING EVEN LATER THAN MOON'S IN MERCURY

MAIN.

SO: MARS:

NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

NONE, BECAUSE MARS IS SAMDHARMI TO LUMINARIES, WHICH IS ONE SIDED

RELATIONSHIP, CORRECT?

FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS

MERCURY: IN 4TH FROM MARS WITH MORE POINTS (6PTS)

IN SECONDARY UPACHAYA E WITH MORE POINTS

RAHU: SAMDHARMI FOR BOTH MARS AND SATURN , BUT ACTS MORE LIKE

MARS, WHICH HAS THREE POINTS GIVEN TO CAPRICORN,

WHERAS SATURN ONLY GIVES TWO

I WILL FINALIZE THE SUB TO MERCURY IN MERCURY MAIN, BECAUSE IT SEEMS

LIKE MERCURY IS STRONGER SAMDHARMI AND MORE EAGER BEING IN SECONDARY

UPACHAYA WITH MORE POINTS

SO SUB IS MERCURY-MERCURY FROM MARCH 10TH, 2002 TO AUGUST 6TH, 2004.

DO YOU THINK THIS IS RIGHT; PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> >

> > CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND REASONING?

> > ASH, WHAT DO YOU THINK??

> > Thanks to all who have responded so far.

> >

> > -tom

>

-- In , " everylightifound "

> <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

> > significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

> >

> > I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue of

> the

> > fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26, which

> is

> > more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

> > father's friend is...

> >

> > so.

> >

> > For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

> > Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

> >

> > For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has

six

> > in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four in

> the

> > fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth, and

> > jupiter has four in the eleventh.

> >

> > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

> >

> > Jupiter 49

> > mars 33

> > saturn 27

> > moon 23

> > sun 18

> > mercury 18

> > venus 16

> >

> > So all planets are inclined to give postive results for marriage

> > during subs

> >

> > NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE RESULTS

> > UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

> >

> > SUN ASPECTS B

> > JUPITER ASPECTS B

> > SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

> >

> > However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able

to

> > give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

> >

> > So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

> > jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through

samdharmi

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > 1. mercury-venus in same sign

> > sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

> >

> > 2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars BUT

> > ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

> >

> > moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

> > moon samdharmi jupiter

> >

> > 3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

> > Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

> >

> > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> > Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

> >

> > The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is not

in

> > Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter

> isn't

> > in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not in

B,

> > nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the

primary

> > upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all

Primary

> > upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not in

> > 2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

> >

> > So natural karaka unspoiled.

> >

> > MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

> >

> > lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord

> (saturn)

> > sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord (saturn)

> > sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

> >

> > moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

> > moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

> >

> > Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty

range

> > causing DELAY

> >

> > HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

> >

> > -1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh (24)

> > -All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

> > -12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

> > -sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

> > -points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

> > average or less than 28

> > -mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and Navamsa

> >

> > 70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

> >

> > Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and

> guidance!!!

> >

> > According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

> > samdharmi;

> >

> > Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

> > married; so need samdharmi;

> >

> > Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for

> House

> > A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

> >

> > Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

> >

> > Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause full

> > delay of into third sector of selected sub.

> >

> > However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight on

> > saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

> > correct????

> >

> > This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager to

> > give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th to

> > it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

> >

> > Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will

come

> > and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with

jupiter

> > and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

> >

> > Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5 years

> > isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only goes

> > until 1995...

> >

> > Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub sector ,

> but

> > saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

> >

> > Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya,

though

> > aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

> > house, like jupiter!

> >

> > Again, I'm confused.

> >

> > CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND REASONING?

> >

> > Thanks to all who have responded so far.

> >

> > -tom

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tom,

> > > A fantastic attempt, you have put in a lot of effort.

> > >

> > > Yes, If this chart came to me, first thing I would see is that

> > lagna

> > > is at the border and so I would first ascertain if the lagna is

> > > proper. 5-10 mins difference can exist depending on factors.

In

> > this

> > > case this much difference can change the lagna. So we need to

> > confirm

> > > this before jumping into timing of event.

> > >

> > > Anup has done that.

> > >

> > > Tried to time the event using both lagnas. Here some major past

> > > events will also help like his work, profession, job scenarios,

> > > promotions, changes in job, period of worries, any health

issues.

> > > Nature of person can also be judged.

> > >

> > > Now for example here with Aqu lagna lagna points in SAV become

36

> > v/s

> > > Capricorn lagna where the lagna points are 26. So from this

> > itself u

> > > can judge the nature of the person.

> > >

> > > Intelligence can also be judged from lagna sun and moon from

nav,

> > > dreshkon and trishansa as well.

> > >

> > > Even DBCE points are rising from Mo and Lagna using Aqu lagna

so

> > this

> > > might show the nature of the person and his nature.

> > >

> > > Once you are clear with lagna then you can venture into timing

of

> > events.

> > >

> > > For timing of events then you first need to find out the

following

> > >

> > > 1) How much delay is there

> > > 2) Are there any factors that can moderate this delay or a

> powerful

> > > blessing that can moderate or nullify the delay so this has to

be

> > judeged.

> > > 3) Find out influence of 6th lord. Now here with Aqu lagna

moon

> is

> > > the lord of 6th house but Mo and Su are special so here they

> can't

> > be

> > > treated as 6th lord but we can say they are 12th from 7th lord

as

> > Mo

> > > and Su cannot take on properties of 6th lord. This scenario

> > changes

> > > if lagna is Capricorn. With Capricorn 6th lord goes into 4th

> house

> > > with more bindus and this is a low where it spoils martial

> > happiness.

> > > 4) Before that study the status of Karak. If Karak is very

badly

> > > spoilt then result of B might not happen. So its very

important

> to

> > > study the status of Venus and 2nd lord.

> > > 5) Then before timing we need to also ascertain the chart w.r.t

> the

> > > country and customs and also the nature of person so we call

that

> > > desh, kaal and paatra or paristhi. For example in some

countries

> > > marraige at 21 yeasr might mean very delayed marraige as girls

> > might

> > > be getting married at 12-13 years. If its India and if one

> follows

> > > the law then its 18 years for girl and 21 for boys so such

country

> > > specific laws must be kept in mind.

> > > 6) After considering all the factors, and checking status of

> > planets

> > > like u have done like that of Venus who is important as its NK

and

> > > also that of planets like Jupiter, we must also ascertain if the

> > > marital life is happy as that will also factor in determining

the

> > > selection of the proper planet that can furnish the marriage.

So

> > > things like lagna and 7th, moon and 7th etc if they are in 6:8

or

> > 2:12

> > > or 5:9 etc must be noted.

> > > 7) If there are problems like no child or some other major

problem

> > > exists or say multiple marriages then marriages might happen in

> 6th

> > > lord or in low / lowest power planet means less than 12 points.

> > >

> > > 8) after that one is in a better position to judge when the

> > marriage

> > > will take place. If everything is nice, happy marriage is

> > indicated

> > > then the first powerful planet after delay is over can furnish

the

> > > marriage.

> > >

> > > 9) Then you have to narrow the sector and then finally the pdf

to

> > get

> > > to 13 days accuracy.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " everylightifound "

> > > <everylightifound@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello all,

> > > >

> > > > This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and

> this

> > is

> > > > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about

> > five

> > > > hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for

> > assistance

> > > > and correction where necessary, especially on determining

> > Mahadasha

> > > > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

> > complicated

> > > > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

> > consideration...

> > > >

> > > > Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on

a

> > male's

> > > > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of

my

> > > > father's, and I told my father to write down his date of

> > marriage for

> > > > me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure

I've

> > > > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and

> divorce

> > > > indications and figured out most functional samdharmis,

> however,

> > I am

> > > > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods

> based

> > on

> > > > samdharmi.

> > > >

> > > > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in

> > Kingston,

> > > > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> > > >

> > > > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna,

> > mercury

> > > > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third,

the

> > Sun

> > > > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the

> > 10th,

> > > > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> > > >

> > > > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of

> > Aswini, so

> > > > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by

saturn

> > in

> > > > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to

relationship

> > with

> > > > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with

mars

> > in

> > > > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> > > >

> > > > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B

> > (moon) is

> > > > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords

(sun

> > and

> > > > moon).

> > > >

> > > > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> > > >

> > > > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12

> > (11);

> > > > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > > > mars-47 pts

> > > > venus-28

> > > > jupiter-26

> > > > mercury-20

> > > > saturn-17

> > > > sun-14

> > > >

> > > > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> > > > mars has 8th sight on B

> > > > moon has 7th sight on B

> > > > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> > > >

> > > > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

> > > >

> > > > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > > > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> > > >

> > > > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > > > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since

> > planet " A " -

> > > > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional

> > samdharmi to

> > > > jupiter

> > > >

> > > > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is

> > neutral

> > > > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So

> > Mercury

> > > > functional samdharmi to mars.

> > > >

> > > > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> > > > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

> > Aquarius

> > > > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> > > >

> > > > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > > > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> > > >

> > > > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > > > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> > > >

> > > > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> > > >

> > > > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> > > >

> > > > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB

> > GIVES BAD

> > > > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> > > >

> > > > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are

best

> > > > significators.

> > > >

> > > > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

> > > >

> > > > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's

samdharmi

> > will

> > > > come forward for sub.

> > > >

> > > > MAHADASHA:

> > > > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from

> > 2/7/2026-

> > > > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > > > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

> > strongest--

> > > > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7

relationship.

> > > > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > > > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

> > > >

> > > > ANTARDASHA:

> > > >

> > > > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars:

> sun,

> > moon

> > > > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> > > >

> > > > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> > > >

> > > > ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

> > DOESN'T

> > > > ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

> > > >

> > > > Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it

> > seems

> > > > you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate

> > your

> > > > input.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Tom

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 25, 2007

UPDATED YET AGAIN TO ATTEMPT TO NARROW EVENT DATE WITHIN SUB...

, " everylightifound "

<everylightifound wrote:

>

> SEE ADDITIONAL ADDED AT END OF THIS PREVIOUS POST!

>

> , " everylightifound "

> <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> >

> > Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

> > > significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

> > >

> > > I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue

of

> > the

> > > fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26,

which

> > is

> > > more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person my

> > > father's friend is...

> > >

> > > so.

> > >

> > > For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

> > > Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

> > >

> > > For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon has

> six

> > > in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four

in

> > the

> > > fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth,

and

> > > jupiter has four in the eleventh.

> > >

> > > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

> > >

> > > Jupiter 49

> > > mars 33

> > > saturn 27

> > > moon 23

> > > sun 18

> > > mercury 18

> > > venus 16

> > >

> > > So all planets are inclined to give postive results for

marriage

> > > during subs

> > >

> > > NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE

RESULTS

> > > UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

> > >

> > > SUN ASPECTS B

> > > JUPITER ASPECTS B

> > > SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

> > >

> > > However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be able

> to

> > > give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

> > >

> > > So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly, and

> > > jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through

> samdharmi

> > >

> > > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

> > >

> > > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > 1. mercury-venus in same sign

> > > sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

> > >

> > > 2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars

BUT

> > > ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

> > >

> > > moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

> > > moon samdharmi jupiter

> > >

> > > 3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

> > > Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

> > >

> > > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> > > Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

> > >

> > > The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is

not

> in

> > > Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and Jupiter

> > isn't

> > > in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not

in

> B,

> > > nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the

> primary

> > > upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all

> Primary

> > > upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not

in

> > > 2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

> > >

> > > So natural karaka unspoiled.

> > >

> > > MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

> > >

> > > lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord

> > (saturn)

> > > sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord

(saturn)

> > > sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

> > >

> > > moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

> > > moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

> > >

> > > Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty

> range

> > > causing DELAY

> > >

> > > HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

> > >

> > > -1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh

(24)

> > > -All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

> > > -12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

> > > -sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

> > > -points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

> > > average or less than 28

> > > -mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and

Navamsa

> > >

> > > 70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

> > >

> > > Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and

> > guidance!!!

> > >

> > > According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

> > > samdharmi;

> > >

> > > Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is already

> > > married; so need samdharmi;

> > >

> > > Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka for

> > House

> > > A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

> > >

> > > Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

> > >

> > > Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause

full

> > > delay of into third sector of selected sub.

> > >

> > > However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th sight

on

> > > saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

> > > correct????

> > >

> > > This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is eager

to

> > > give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the 12th

to

> > > it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

> > >

> > > Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will

> come

> > > and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with

> jupiter

> > > and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

> > >

> > > Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5

years

> > > isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only

goes

> > > until 1995...

> > >

> > > Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub

sector ,

> > but

> > > saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

> > >

> > > Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya,

> though

> > > aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's own

> > > house, like jupiter!

> > >

> > > Again, I'm confused.

>

> SATURN'S TRANSIT THROUGH A SIGN TAKES 29.5 YEARS ACCORDING TO

> ASTRONOMY, AND NATAL SATURN IS AT 3 DEGREES 36 MINUTES TAURUS--

>

> SO 29.5 YEARS/30 DEGREES MULTIPLIED BY 3.6 DEGREES IS EQUAL TO A

> PERIOD OF 3.54 YEARS INTO TAURUS AT BIRTH TIME.

>

> JUDGING FROM POSTS BY ASH AND OTHERS, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT SATURN'S

> FULL DELAY IS OVER WHEN IT REACHES 0 DEGREES OF THE NEXT SIGN?????

>

> TAKING THAT TO BE THE CASE--25.96 YEARS MINIMUM MUST PASS TILL

> MARRIAGE--

>

> WHEN THE NATIVE IS 25 YEARS, 351 DAYS OLD, HE IS IN HIS SATURN/RAHU

> SUB, FROM OCTOBER 21, 1996 TO AUGUST 28, 1999

>

> JUPITER, BEING THE STRONGEST POSITIVE SIGNIFICATOR BY FAR WITH 49

> POINTS, AND LORD OF E TO BOOT!, WANTS DESPERATELY TO GIVE EVENT

> (CORRECT?), HOWEVER IT MOST CERTAINLY CAN'T BECAUSE IT IS IN THE

12TH

> FROM IT'S OWN HOUSE.

>

> THEREFORE, JUPITER'S SAMDHARMI, IDEALLY THE LORD OF A SECONDARY

> UPACHAYA, OR A PLANET IN AN UPACHAYA WITH MORE POINTS WILL COME

> FORWARD TO GIVE THE EVENT, CORRECT????

>

> SO: FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS--

>

> MOON: IS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF JUPITER

> IS PLANET A WITH MORE POINTS IN 4:10 RELATIONSHIP WITH JUPITER

> AND IS LORD OF B FOCUS HOUSE IN PRIMARY UPACHAYA A WITH MORE

PTS.

> IS FOURTH STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR IN W.S WITH 23 POINTS

>

> PROBLEM IS THAT NEXT MOON SUB IS TOO FAR AWAY, BEING APRIL 9TH,

1999

> TO SEPTEMBER 9, 2010 AND THE NATIVE IS ALREADY MARRIED!!!

>

> SO: SINCE JUPITER HAS NO OTHER SAMDHARMIS, I WILL CONSIDER NEXT

> HIGHEST SIGNIFICATOR, MARS, WITH 33 POINTS IN W.S

>

> MARS: IS IN NAKSHATRA OF MOON, FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMI TO JUPITER

> (SIGNIFICANT?)

> IS SECONDARY UPACHAYA E LORD AND PRIMARY UPACHAYA C LORD

>

> I WOULD CONSIDER MARS FOR RESULTS, EVEN THOUGH ASPECTING PRIMARY

> UPACHAYA B, BECAUSE OF GREATER THAN 20 POINTS IN W.S, HOWEVER MAR'S

> NEXT SUB COMES TOO LATE , BEING EVEN LATER THAN MOON'S IN MERCURY

> MAIN.

>

> SO: MARS:

>

> NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

>

> NONE, BECAUSE MARS IS SAMDHARMI TO LUMINARIES, WHICH IS ONE SIDED

> RELATIONSHIP, CORRECT?

>

> FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS

>

> MERCURY: IN 4TH FROM MARS WITH MORE POINTS (6PTS)

> IN SECONDARY UPACHAYA E WITH MORE POINTS

>

> RAHU: SAMDHARMI FOR BOTH MARS AND SATURN , BUT ACTS MORE LIKE

> MARS, WHICH HAS THREE POINTS GIVEN TO CAPRICORN,

> WHERAS SATURN ONLY GIVES TWO

>

> I WILL FINALIZE THE SUB TO MERCURY IN MERCURY MAIN, BECAUSE IT

SEEMS

> LIKE MERCURY IS STRONGER SAMDHARMI AND MORE EAGER BEING IN

SECONDARY

> UPACHAYA WITH MORE POINTS

>

> SO SUB IS MERCURY-MERCURY FROM MARCH 10TH, 2002 TO AUGUST 6TH, 2004.

Placing the event in Antardasha: (lesson 16):

DELAY FACTORS

Rasi Navamsa

1. Saturn aspects B lord(moon) ---------------

2. ---------------- --------------- (none with saturn

3. Saturn lord of A ---------------

MITIGATING FACTORS

Rasi Navamsa

1.Jupiter aspects A lord (saturn) Jupiter aspects 10 lord (moon)

2.Jupiter aspects saturn ------------------

JUPITER MITIGATES, SO EVENT SHOULD BE IN SECOND SECTOR OF MERCURY SUB.

HOWEVER,

SUB LORD (MERCURY) IN ARIES (MARS) AND ASHLESHA (MERCURY) IN RASI;

MARS: SECOND THIRD

MERCURY: FIRST THIRD (FASTER MOVING ASTRONOMICALLY)

NAVAMSA LORD OF SIGNIFICATOR (MERCURY) IS MERCURY)

MERCURY: FIRST THIRD

SO: TWO INDICATIONS OF 1ST THIRD (MERCURY IN MERCURY NAKSHATRA AND

NAVAMSA) AND TWO INDICATIONS OF 2ND THIRD (JUPITER MITIGATING

SATURN'S DELAY AND MERCURY IN MAR'S HOUSE OF ARIES IN RASI.

EACH SECTOR IS 9MONTHS AND 19 DAYS; THE EVENT SHOULD TAKE PLACE

WITHIN THE FIRST TWO SECTORS

SECTOR 1: MARCH 10TH, 2002-DECEMBER 29TH, 2002

SECTOR 2: DECEMBER 29TH, 2002-OCTOBER 18TH, 2003

JUST COUNTING THE INFLUENCE OF THE SPEED OF LORDS THE SUBLORD IS IN,

THERE ARE TWO INDICATIONS FOR 1ST SECTOR, AND ONLY ONE FOR THE 2ND.

I WILL GO OUT ON A LIMB AND DECLARE THE 1ST SECTOR FOR THE TIMING OF

THE EVENT:

3/10/2002-12/29/2002

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG!!!

Using the probable date finder:

JUPITER AND MARS: NOVEMBER 16TH TO NOVEMBER 19TH

JUPITER AND SATURN: MARCH 18TH-APRIL 4TH

MARS AND SATURN: NOVEMBER 20TH-DECEMBER 2ND

HOW CAN I NARROW DOWN EVEN FURTHER?

> DO YOU THINK THIS IS RIGHT; PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > >

> > > CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND

REASONING?

> > > ASH, WHAT DO YOU THINK??

> > > Thanks to all who have responded so far.

> > >

> > > -tom

> >

June 25, 2007

I'M HORRIBLY WRONG; THE ANSWER IS HE WAS MARRIED FEBRUARY 14TH,

1998!!!!CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHERE I SCREWED UP?????? I SAID MARCH

18TH, 2002!!!!!!

-TOM

, " everylightifound "

<everylightifound wrote:

>

> UPDATED YET AGAIN TO ATTEMPT TO NARROW EVENT DATE WITHIN SUB...

>

> , " everylightifound "

> <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > SEE ADDITIONAL ADDED AT END OF THIS PREVIOUS POST!

> >

> > --- In

, " everylightifound "

> > <everylightifound@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> > > Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

> > > > significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

> > > >

> > > > I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue

> of

> > > the

> > > > fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26,

> which

> > > is

> > > > more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person

my

> > > > father's friend is...

> > > >

> > > > so.

> > > >

> > > > For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

> > > > Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

> > > >

> > > > For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon

has

> > six

> > > > in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four

> in

> > > the

> > > > fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth,

> and

> > > > jupiter has four in the eleventh.

> > > >

> > > > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter 49

> > > > mars 33

> > > > saturn 27

> > > > moon 23

> > > > sun 18

> > > > mercury 18

> > > > venus 16

> > > >

> > > > So all planets are inclined to give postive results for

> marriage

> > > > during subs

> > > >

> > > > NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE

> RESULTS

> > > > UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

> > > >

> > > > SUN ASPECTS B

> > > > JUPITER ASPECTS B

> > > > SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

> > > >

> > > > However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be

able

> > to

> > > > give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

> > > >

> > > > So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly,

and

> > > > jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through

> > samdharmi

> > > >

> > > > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > > venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

> > > >

> > > > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > > 1. mercury-venus in same sign

> > > > sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

> > > >

> > > > 2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars

> BUT

> > > > ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

> > > >

> > > > moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

> > > > moon samdharmi jupiter

> > > >

> > > > 3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

> > > > Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

> > > >

> > > > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> > > > Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

> > > >

> > > > The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is

> not

> > in

> > > > Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and

Jupiter

> > > isn't

> > > > in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not

> in

> > B,

> > > > nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the

> > primary

> > > > upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all

> > Primary

> > > > upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not

> in

> > > > 2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

> > > >

> > > > So natural karaka unspoiled.

> > > >

> > > > MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

> > > >

> > > > lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord

> > > (saturn)

> > > > sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord

> (saturn)

> > > > sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

> > > >

> > > > moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

> > > > moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

> > > >

> > > > Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty

> > range

> > > > causing DELAY

> > > >

> > > > HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

> > > >

> > > > -1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh

> (24)

> > > > -All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

> > > > -12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

> > > > -sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

> > > > -points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

> > > > average or less than 28

> > > > -mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and

> Navamsa

> > > >

> > > > 70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

> > > >

> > > > Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and

> > > guidance!!!

> > > >

> > > > According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

> > > > samdharmi;

> > > >

> > > > Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is

already

> > > > married; so need samdharmi;

> > > >

> > > > Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka

for

> > > House

> > > > A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

> > > >

> > > > Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

> > > >

> > > > Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause

> full

> > > > delay of into third sector of selected sub.

> > > >

> > > > However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th

sight

> on

> > > > saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

> > > > correct????

> > > >

> > > > This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is

eager

> to

> > > > give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the

12th

> to

> > > > it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

> > > >

> > > > Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will

> > come

> > > > and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with

> > jupiter

> > > > and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

> > > >

> > > > Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5

> years

> > > > isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only

> goes

> > > > until 1995...

> > > >

> > > > Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub

> sector ,

> > > but

> > > > saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

> > > >

> > > > Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya,

> > though

> > > > aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's

own

> > > > house, like jupiter!

> > > >

> > > > Again, I'm confused.

> >

> > SATURN'S TRANSIT THROUGH A SIGN TAKES 29.5 YEARS ACCORDING TO

> > ASTRONOMY, AND NATAL SATURN IS AT 3 DEGREES 36 MINUTES TAURUS--

> >

> > SO 29.5 YEARS/30 DEGREES MULTIPLIED BY 3.6 DEGREES IS EQUAL TO A

> > PERIOD OF 3.54 YEARS INTO TAURUS AT BIRTH TIME.

> >

> > JUDGING FROM POSTS BY ASH AND OTHERS, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT

SATURN'S

> > FULL DELAY IS OVER WHEN IT REACHES 0 DEGREES OF THE NEXT SIGN?????

> >

> > TAKING THAT TO BE THE CASE--25.96 YEARS MINIMUM MUST PASS TILL

> > MARRIAGE--

> >

> > WHEN THE NATIVE IS 25 YEARS, 351 DAYS OLD, HE IS IN HIS

SATURN/RAHU

> > SUB, FROM OCTOBER 21, 1996 TO AUGUST 28, 1999

> >

> > JUPITER, BEING THE STRONGEST POSITIVE SIGNIFICATOR BY FAR WITH 49

> > POINTS, AND LORD OF E TO BOOT!, WANTS DESPERATELY TO GIVE EVENT

> > (CORRECT?), HOWEVER IT MOST CERTAINLY CAN'T BECAUSE IT IS IN THE

> 12TH

> > FROM IT'S OWN HOUSE.

> >

> > THEREFORE, JUPITER'S SAMDHARMI, IDEALLY THE LORD OF A SECONDARY

> > UPACHAYA, OR A PLANET IN AN UPACHAYA WITH MORE POINTS WILL COME

> > FORWARD TO GIVE THE EVENT, CORRECT????

> >

> > SO: FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS--

> >

> > MOON: IS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF JUPITER

> > IS PLANET A WITH MORE POINTS IN 4:10 RELATIONSHIP WITH

JUPITER

> > AND IS LORD OF B FOCUS HOUSE IN PRIMARY UPACHAYA A WITH MORE

> PTS.

> > IS FOURTH STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR IN W.S WITH 23 POINTS

> >

> > PROBLEM IS THAT NEXT MOON SUB IS TOO FAR AWAY, BEING APRIL 9TH,

> 1999

> > TO SEPTEMBER 9, 2010 AND THE NATIVE IS ALREADY MARRIED!!!

> >

> > SO: SINCE JUPITER HAS NO OTHER SAMDHARMIS, I WILL CONSIDER NEXT

> > HIGHEST SIGNIFICATOR, MARS, WITH 33 POINTS IN W.S

> >

> > MARS: IS IN NAKSHATRA OF MOON, FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMI TO JUPITER

> > (SIGNIFICANT?)

> > IS SECONDARY UPACHAYA E LORD AND PRIMARY UPACHAYA C LORD

> >

> > I WOULD CONSIDER MARS FOR RESULTS, EVEN THOUGH ASPECTING PRIMARY

> > UPACHAYA B, BECAUSE OF GREATER THAN 20 POINTS IN W.S, HOWEVER

MAR'S

> > NEXT SUB COMES TOO LATE , BEING EVEN LATER THAN MOON'S IN MERCURY

> > MAIN.

> >

> > SO: MARS:

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > NONE, BECAUSE MARS IS SAMDHARMI TO LUMINARIES, WHICH IS ONE SIDED

> > RELATIONSHIP, CORRECT?

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > MERCURY: IN 4TH FROM MARS WITH MORE POINTS (6PTS)

> > IN SECONDARY UPACHAYA E WITH MORE POINTS

> >

> > RAHU: SAMDHARMI FOR BOTH MARS AND SATURN , BUT ACTS MORE LIKE

> > MARS, WHICH HAS THREE POINTS GIVEN TO CAPRICORN,

> > WHERAS SATURN ONLY GIVES TWO

> >

> > I WILL FINALIZE THE SUB TO MERCURY IN MERCURY MAIN, BECAUSE IT

> SEEMS

> > LIKE MERCURY IS STRONGER SAMDHARMI AND MORE EAGER BEING IN

> SECONDARY

> > UPACHAYA WITH MORE POINTS

> >

> > SO SUB IS MERCURY-MERCURY FROM MARCH 10TH, 2002 TO AUGUST 6TH,

2004.

>

> Placing the event in Antardasha: (lesson 16):

>

> DELAY FACTORS

>

> Rasi Navamsa

>

> 1. Saturn aspects B lord(moon) ---------------

>

> 2. ---------------- --------------- (none with saturn

>

> 3. Saturn lord of A ---------------

>

> MITIGATING FACTORS

>

> Rasi Navamsa

>

> 1.Jupiter aspects A lord (saturn) Jupiter aspects 10 lord (moon)

>

> 2.Jupiter aspects saturn ------------------

>

> JUPITER MITIGATES, SO EVENT SHOULD BE IN SECOND SECTOR OF MERCURY

SUB.

>

> HOWEVER,

> SUB LORD (MERCURY) IN ARIES (MARS) AND ASHLESHA (MERCURY) IN RASI;

>

> MARS: SECOND THIRD

> MERCURY: FIRST THIRD (FASTER MOVING ASTRONOMICALLY)

>

> NAVAMSA LORD OF SIGNIFICATOR (MERCURY) IS MERCURY)

>

> MERCURY: FIRST THIRD

>

> SO: TWO INDICATIONS OF 1ST THIRD (MERCURY IN MERCURY NAKSHATRA AND

> NAVAMSA) AND TWO INDICATIONS OF 2ND THIRD (JUPITER MITIGATING

> SATURN'S DELAY AND MERCURY IN MAR'S HOUSE OF ARIES IN RASI.

>

> EACH SECTOR IS 9MONTHS AND 19 DAYS; THE EVENT SHOULD TAKE PLACE

> WITHIN THE FIRST TWO SECTORS

>

> SECTOR 1: MARCH 10TH, 2002-DECEMBER 29TH, 2002

> SECTOR 2: DECEMBER 29TH, 2002-OCTOBER 18TH, 2003

>

> JUST COUNTING THE INFLUENCE OF THE SPEED OF LORDS THE SUBLORD IS

IN,

> THERE ARE TWO INDICATIONS FOR 1ST SECTOR, AND ONLY ONE FOR THE 2ND.

>

> I WILL GO OUT ON A LIMB AND DECLARE THE 1ST SECTOR FOR THE TIMING

OF

> THE EVENT:

>

> 3/10/2002-12/29/2002

>

> CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG!!!

>

> Using the probable date finder:

>

> JUPITER AND MARS: NOVEMBER 16TH TO NOVEMBER 19TH

> JUPITER AND SATURN: MARCH 18TH-APRIL 4TH

> MARS AND SATURN: NOVEMBER 20TH-DECEMBER 2ND

>

> HOW CAN I NARROW DOWN EVEN FURTHER?

>

> > DO YOU THINK THIS IS RIGHT; PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR

ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > >

> > > > CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND

> REASONING?

> > > > ASH, WHAT DO YOU THINK??

> > > > Thanks to all who have responded so far.

> > > >

> > > > -tom

> > >

>

June 25, 2007

I'M HORRIBLY WRONG; THE ANSWER IS HE WAS MARRIED FEBRUARY 14TH,

1998!!!!CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHERE I SCREWED UP?????? I SAID MARCH

18TH, 2002!!!!!!

-TOM

, " everylightifound "

<everylightifound wrote:

>

> UPDATED YET AGAIN TO ATTEMPT TO NARROW EVENT DATE WITHIN SUB...

>

> , " everylightifound "

> <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > SEE ADDITIONAL ADDED AT END OF THIS PREVIOUS POST!

> >

> > --- In

, " everylightifound "

> > <everylightifound@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> > > Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

> > > > significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

> > > >

> > > > I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue

> of

> > > the

> > > > fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26,

> which

> > > is

> > > > more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person

my

> > > > father's friend is...

> > > >

> > > > so.

> > > >

> > > > For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

> > > > Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

> > > >

> > > > For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon

has

> > six

> > > > in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four

> in

> > > the

> > > > fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth,

> and

> > > > jupiter has four in the eleventh.

> > > >

> > > > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter 49

> > > > mars 33

> > > > saturn 27

> > > > moon 23

> > > > sun 18

> > > > mercury 18

> > > > venus 16

> > > >

> > > > So all planets are inclined to give postive results for

> marriage

> > > > during subs

> > > >

> > > > NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE

> RESULTS

> > > > UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

> > > >

> > > > SUN ASPECTS B

> > > > JUPITER ASPECTS B

> > > > SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

> > > >

> > > > However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be

able

> > to

> > > > give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

> > > >

> > > > So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly,

and

> > > > jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through

> > samdharmi

> > > >

> > > > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > > venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

> > > >

> > > > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > > 1. mercury-venus in same sign

> > > > sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

> > > >

> > > > 2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars

> BUT

> > > > ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

> > > >

> > > > moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

> > > > moon samdharmi jupiter

> > > >

> > > > 3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

> > > > Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

> > > >

> > > > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> > > > Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

> > > >

> > > > The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is

> not

> > in

> > > > Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and

Jupiter

> > > isn't

> > > > in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not

> in

> > B,

> > > > nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the

> > primary

> > > > upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all

> > Primary

> > > > upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not

> in

> > > > 2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

> > > >

> > > > So natural karaka unspoiled.

> > > >

> > > > MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

> > > >

> > > > lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord

> > > (saturn)

> > > > sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord

> (saturn)

> > > > sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

> > > >

> > > > moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

> > > > moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

> > > >

> > > > Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty

> > range

> > > > causing DELAY

> > > >

> > > > HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

> > > >

> > > > -1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh

> (24)

> > > > -All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

> > > > -12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

> > > > -sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

> > > > -points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

> > > > average or less than 28

> > > > -mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and

> Navamsa

> > > >

> > > > 70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

> > > >

> > > > Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and

> > > guidance!!!

> > > >

> > > > According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

> > > > samdharmi;

> > > >

> > > > Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is

already

> > > > married; so need samdharmi;

> > > >

> > > > Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka

for

> > > House

> > > > A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

> > > >

> > > > Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

> > > >

> > > > Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause

> full

> > > > delay of into third sector of selected sub.

> > > >

> > > > However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th

sight

> on

> > > > saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

> > > > correct????

> > > >

> > > > This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is

eager

> to

> > > > give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the

12th

> to

> > > > it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

> > > >

> > > > Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will

> > come

> > > > and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with

> > jupiter

> > > > and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

> > > >

> > > > Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5

> years

> > > > isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only

> goes

> > > > until 1995...

> > > >

> > > > Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub

> sector ,

> > > but

> > > > saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

> > > >

> > > > Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya,

> > though

> > > > aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's

own

> > > > house, like jupiter!

> > > >

> > > > Again, I'm confused.

> >

> > SATURN'S TRANSIT THROUGH A SIGN TAKES 29.5 YEARS ACCORDING TO

> > ASTRONOMY, AND NATAL SATURN IS AT 3 DEGREES 36 MINUTES TAURUS--

> >

> > SO 29.5 YEARS/30 DEGREES MULTIPLIED BY 3.6 DEGREES IS EQUAL TO A

> > PERIOD OF 3.54 YEARS INTO TAURUS AT BIRTH TIME.

> >

> > JUDGING FROM POSTS BY ASH AND OTHERS, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT

SATURN'S

> > FULL DELAY IS OVER WHEN IT REACHES 0 DEGREES OF THE NEXT SIGN?????

> >

> > TAKING THAT TO BE THE CASE--25.96 YEARS MINIMUM MUST PASS TILL

> > MARRIAGE--

> >

> > WHEN THE NATIVE IS 25 YEARS, 351 DAYS OLD, HE IS IN HIS

SATURN/RAHU

> > SUB, FROM OCTOBER 21, 1996 TO AUGUST 28, 1999

> >

> > JUPITER, BEING THE STRONGEST POSITIVE SIGNIFICATOR BY FAR WITH 49

> > POINTS, AND LORD OF E TO BOOT!, WANTS DESPERATELY TO GIVE EVENT

> > (CORRECT?), HOWEVER IT MOST CERTAINLY CAN'T BECAUSE IT IS IN THE

> 12TH

> > FROM IT'S OWN HOUSE.

> >

> > THEREFORE, JUPITER'S SAMDHARMI, IDEALLY THE LORD OF A SECONDARY

> > UPACHAYA, OR A PLANET IN AN UPACHAYA WITH MORE POINTS WILL COME

> > FORWARD TO GIVE THE EVENT, CORRECT????

> >

> > SO: FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS--

> >

> > MOON: IS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF JUPITER

> > IS PLANET A WITH MORE POINTS IN 4:10 RELATIONSHIP WITH

JUPITER

> > AND IS LORD OF B FOCUS HOUSE IN PRIMARY UPACHAYA A WITH MORE

> PTS.

> > IS FOURTH STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR IN W.S WITH 23 POINTS

> >

> > PROBLEM IS THAT NEXT MOON SUB IS TOO FAR AWAY, BEING APRIL 9TH,

> 1999

> > TO SEPTEMBER 9, 2010 AND THE NATIVE IS ALREADY MARRIED!!!

> >

> > SO: SINCE JUPITER HAS NO OTHER SAMDHARMIS, I WILL CONSIDER NEXT

> > HIGHEST SIGNIFICATOR, MARS, WITH 33 POINTS IN W.S

> >

> > MARS: IS IN NAKSHATRA OF MOON, FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMI TO JUPITER

> > (SIGNIFICANT?)

> > IS SECONDARY UPACHAYA E LORD AND PRIMARY UPACHAYA C LORD

> >

> > I WOULD CONSIDER MARS FOR RESULTS, EVEN THOUGH ASPECTING PRIMARY

> > UPACHAYA B, BECAUSE OF GREATER THAN 20 POINTS IN W.S, HOWEVER

MAR'S

> > NEXT SUB COMES TOO LATE , BEING EVEN LATER THAN MOON'S IN MERCURY

> > MAIN.

> >

> > SO: MARS:

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > NONE, BECAUSE MARS IS SAMDHARMI TO LUMINARIES, WHICH IS ONE SIDED

> > RELATIONSHIP, CORRECT?

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > MERCURY: IN 4TH FROM MARS WITH MORE POINTS (6PTS)

> > IN SECONDARY UPACHAYA E WITH MORE POINTS

> >

> > RAHU: SAMDHARMI FOR BOTH MARS AND SATURN , BUT ACTS MORE LIKE

> > MARS, WHICH HAS THREE POINTS GIVEN TO CAPRICORN,

> > WHERAS SATURN ONLY GIVES TWO

> >

> > I WILL FINALIZE THE SUB TO MERCURY IN MERCURY MAIN, BECAUSE IT

> SEEMS

> > LIKE MERCURY IS STRONGER SAMDHARMI AND MORE EAGER BEING IN

> SECONDARY

> > UPACHAYA WITH MORE POINTS

> >

> > SO SUB IS MERCURY-MERCURY FROM MARCH 10TH, 2002 TO AUGUST 6TH,

2004.

>

> Placing the event in Antardasha: (lesson 16):

>

> DELAY FACTORS

>

> Rasi Navamsa

>

> 1. Saturn aspects B lord(moon) ---------------

>

> 2. ---------------- --------------- (none with saturn

>

> 3. Saturn lord of A ---------------

>

> MITIGATING FACTORS

>

> Rasi Navamsa

>

> 1.Jupiter aspects A lord (saturn) Jupiter aspects 10 lord (moon)

>

> 2.Jupiter aspects saturn ------------------

>

> JUPITER MITIGATES, SO EVENT SHOULD BE IN SECOND SECTOR OF MERCURY

SUB.

>

> HOWEVER,

> SUB LORD (MERCURY) IN ARIES (MARS) AND ASHLESHA (MERCURY) IN RASI;

>

> MARS: SECOND THIRD

> MERCURY: FIRST THIRD (FASTER MOVING ASTRONOMICALLY)

>

> NAVAMSA LORD OF SIGNIFICATOR (MERCURY) IS MERCURY)

>

> MERCURY: FIRST THIRD

>

> SO: TWO INDICATIONS OF 1ST THIRD (MERCURY IN MERCURY NAKSHATRA AND

> NAVAMSA) AND TWO INDICATIONS OF 2ND THIRD (JUPITER MITIGATING

> SATURN'S DELAY AND MERCURY IN MAR'S HOUSE OF ARIES IN RASI.

>

> EACH SECTOR IS 9MONTHS AND 19 DAYS; THE EVENT SHOULD TAKE PLACE

> WITHIN THE FIRST TWO SECTORS

>

> SECTOR 1: MARCH 10TH, 2002-DECEMBER 29TH, 2002

> SECTOR 2: DECEMBER 29TH, 2002-OCTOBER 18TH, 2003

>

> JUST COUNTING THE INFLUENCE OF THE SPEED OF LORDS THE SUBLORD IS

IN,

> THERE ARE TWO INDICATIONS FOR 1ST SECTOR, AND ONLY ONE FOR THE 2ND.

>

> I WILL GO OUT ON A LIMB AND DECLARE THE 1ST SECTOR FOR THE TIMING

OF

> THE EVENT:

>

> 3/10/2002-12/29/2002

>

> CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG!!!

>

> Using the probable date finder:

>

> JUPITER AND MARS: NOVEMBER 16TH TO NOVEMBER 19TH

> JUPITER AND SATURN: MARCH 18TH-APRIL 4TH

> MARS AND SATURN: NOVEMBER 20TH-DECEMBER 2ND

>

> HOW CAN I NARROW DOWN EVEN FURTHER?

>

> > DO YOU THINK THIS IS RIGHT; PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR

ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > >

> > > > CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND

> REASONING?

> > > > ASH, WHAT DO YOU THINK??

> > > > Thanks to all who have responded so far.

> > > >

> > > > -tom

> > >

>

June 25, 2007

DEAR ANUP,

PLEASE SHOW ME HOW YOU CAME UP WITH RAHU'S SUB; YOU WERE CLOSER THAN

I WAS!!! THE MARRIAGE WAS ON FEBRUARY 14TH, 1998

-TOM

, " Anup. M "

<dalh_1 wrote:

>

> Dear TOM,

>

> Taking Asc 1Aq14, there is delay by saturn..Plz

check Saturn is with Lord of B (Sun), and aspecting LOA and LoC

(Jupitor)

>

> Marriage may happen in Aug1998-July 1999 in 3rd sector of Rahu

antra.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

everylightifound <everylightifound wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this is

> not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about five

> hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for assistance

> and correction where necessary, especially on determining Mahadasha

> and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

complicated

> to me at this point! I very much appreciate your consideration...

>

> Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

male's

> chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> father's, and I told my father to write down his date of marriage

for

> me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however, I

am

> stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based on

> samdharmi.

>

> He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in Kingston,

> Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

>

> Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna, mercury

> has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the Sun

> and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the 10th,

> and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

>

> As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of Aswini, so

> unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn in

> the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

with

> sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars in

> the Rasi or Navamsa.

>

> Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B (moon)

is

> not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun and

> moon).

>

> So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

>

> PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12 (11);

> FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> mars-47 pts

> venus-28

> jupiter-26

> mercury-20

> saturn-17

> sun-14

>

> Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> mars has 8th sight on B

> moon has 7th sight on B

> Jupiter has 5th sight on A

>

> so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

>

> FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

>

> Based on Tenth house theory--

> Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since planet " A " -

> moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional samdharmi

to

> jupiter

>

> mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is neutral

> so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So Mercury

> functional samdharmi to mars.

>

> Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

Aquarius

> and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

>

> Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

>

> Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

>

> NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

>

> venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

>

> 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB GIVES

BAD

> RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

>

> so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> significators.

>

> Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

>

> Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi will

> come forward for sub.

>

> MAHADASHA:

> usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from 2/7/2026-

> 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

strongest--

> which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> IS THIS CORRECT?

> Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

>

> ANTARDASHA:

>

> Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

moon

> Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

>

> HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

>

> ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

DOESN'T

> ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

>

> Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it seems

> you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate your

> input.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Tom

> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from

someone who knows.

> Answers - Check it out.

>

June 25, 2007

Dear Anup,

Congratulations to you for solving this chart correctly.

This is nothing but the result of your effort and hard work.

Keep working hard Anup.

Well Done.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " everylightifound "

<everylightifound wrote:

>

> DEAR ANUP,

>

> PLEASE SHOW ME HOW YOU CAME UP WITH RAHU'S SUB; YOU WERE CLOSER THAN

> I WAS!!! THE MARRIAGE WAS ON FEBRUARY 14TH, 1998

>

> -TOM

>

> , " Anup. M "

> <dalh_1@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear TOM,

> >

> > Taking Asc 1Aq14, there is delay by saturn..Plz

> check Saturn is with Lord of B (Sun), and aspecting LOA and LoC

> (Jupitor)

> >

> > Marriage may happen in Aug1998-July 1999 in 3rd sector of Rahu

> antra.

> >

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > everylightifound <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this is

> > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about five

> > hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for assistance

> > and correction where necessary, especially on determining Mahadasha

> > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

> complicated

> > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your consideration...

> >

> > Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

> male's

> > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> > father's, and I told my father to write down his date of marriage

> for

> > me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> > indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however, I

> am

> > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based on

> > samdharmi.

> >

> > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in Kingston,

> > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> >

> > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna, mercury

> > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the Sun

> > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the 10th,

> > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> >

> > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of Aswini, so

> > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn in

> > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

> with

> > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars in

> > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> >

> > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B (moon)

> is

> > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun and

> > moon).

> >

> > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> >

> > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12 (11);

> > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > mars-47 pts

> > venus-28

> > jupiter-26

> > mercury-20

> > saturn-17

> > sun-14

> >

> > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> > mars has 8th sight on B

> > moon has 7th sight on B

> > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> >

> > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> >

> > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since planet " A " -

> > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional samdharmi

> to

> > jupiter

> >

> > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is neutral

> > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So Mercury

> > functional samdharmi to mars.

> >

> > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

> Aquarius

> > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> >

> > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> >

> > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> >

> > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB GIVES

> BAD

> > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> >

> > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> > significators.

> >

> > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

> >

> > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi will

> > come forward for sub.

> >

> > MAHADASHA:

> > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from 2/7/2026-

> > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

> strongest--

> > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

> >

> > ANTARDASHA:

> >

> > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

> moon

> > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> >

> > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> >

> > ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

> DOESN'T

> > ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

> >

> > Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it seems

> > you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate your

> > input.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Tom

> >

> > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from

> someone who knows.

> > Answers - Check it out.

> >

June 25, 2007

Dear Tom,

Don't despair or get upset. You have just begun to learn KAS, just

have patience and be persistent. The results will come once you

practice with more and more charts.

You are not Horribly wrong. You might have overlooked something which

is quite ok and natural when one begins to learn. Once Anup explains

to you how he approached the chart keep that in mind.

Once you start to solve charts, many such charts will come up.

The best part is that we have a proper systematic approach that one

can follow on ALL charts. Yes some difficult charts will get filtered

out in due course of time and practice.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " everylightifound "

<everylightifound wrote:

>

> I'M HORRIBLY WRONG; THE ANSWER IS HE WAS MARRIED FEBRUARY 14TH,

> 1998!!!!CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHERE I SCREWED UP?????? I SAID MARCH

> 18TH, 2002!!!!!!

>

> -TOM

>

> , " everylightifound "

> <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > UPDATED YET AGAIN TO ATTEMPT TO NARROW EVENT DATE WITHIN SUB...

> >

> > , " everylightifound "

> > <everylightifound@> wrote:

> > >

> > > SEE ADDITIONAL ADDED AT END OF THIS PREVIOUS POST!

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " everylightifound "

> > > <everylightifound@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > >

> > > > Hello all; I am extremely frustrated with figuring out final

> > > > > significator for sub marriage, and mahadasha to boot...

> > > > >

> > > > > I have redone everything for a Capricorn Ascendant, by virtue

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > fact that, as Ash pointed out, The Lagna pts go down to 26,

> > which

> > > > is

> > > > > more in line with the flexible, even tempered, humble person

> my

> > > > > father's friend is...

> > > > >

> > > > > so.

> > > > >

> > > > > For male born on 5/19/1971 at 1:53 a.m EST, DST in Kingston,

> > > > > Ontario, 44n14, 76w30:

> > > > >

> > > > > For Capricorn Lagna: mars has 3 points in the first, moon

> has

> > > six

> > > > > in the second, mercury has five in the fourth, venus has four

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > fourth, sun has 2 in the fifth, saturn has two in the fifth,

> > and

> > > > > jupiter has four in the eleventh.

> > > > >

> > > > > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET:

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter 49

> > > > > mars 33

> > > > > saturn 27

> > > > > moon 23

> > > > > sun 18

> > > > > mercury 18

> > > > > venus 16

> > > > >

> > > > > So all planets are inclined to give postive results for

> > marriage

> > > > > during subs

> > > > >

> > > > > NOW PLANETS ASPECTING PRIMARY UPACHAYAS A,B,C CAN'T GIVE

> > RESULTS

> > > > > UNLESS GREATER THAN 20 PTS IN WORKSHEET

> > > > >

> > > > > SUN ASPECTS B

> > > > > JUPITER ASPECTS B

> > > > > SATURN ASPECTS A,B,C

> > > > >

> > > > > However, Jupiter is lord of D which mitigates and would be

> able

> > > to

> > > > > give result BUT ALSO IN 12 FROM OWN HOUSE!!! SO CAN'T

> > > > >

> > > > > So mars, moon, mercury and venus can give results directly,

> and

> > > > > jupiter, saturn, and sun must give results in sub through

> > > samdharmi

> > > > >

> > > > > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > > > venus-saturn; mars-sun; mars-moon

> > > > >

> > > > > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > > > 1. mercury-venus in same sign

> > > > > sun-saturn in same sign AND NAKSHATRA

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.mercury with five points in 4th from mars-samdharmi to mars

> > BUT

> > > > > ISN'T BECAUSE MERCURY IS 6TH LORD (12TH LORD FROM B)

> > > > >

> > > > > moon with six points in fourth from jupiter

> > > > > moon samdharmi jupiter

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.Rahu in Capricorn and Dhanista

> > > > > Ketu in Cancer and Ashlesha

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> > > > > Ketu samdharmi to moon and mercury

> > > > >

> > > > > The natural karaka for marriage, venus isn't combust, and is

> > not

> > > in

> > > > > Krittika; Additionally saturn doesn't aspect venus and

> Jupiter

> > > > isn't

> > > > > in Libra. Furthermore, the 12th lord from B (mercury) is not

> > in

> > > B,

> > > > > nor does it aspect saturn, moon, or venus, the lords of the

> > > primary

> > > > > upachayas. However saturn is in 4th from A, aspecting all

> > > Primary

> > > > > upachayas and causing full delay. House B lord( moon) is not

> > in

> > > > > 2:12 relationship with 7th sight lord (saturn)...

> > > > >

> > > > > So natural karaka unspoiled.

> > > > >

> > > > > MARRIAGE INDICATIONS:

> > > > >

> > > > > lord of sun sign(venus) in 2:12 relationship with moon lord

> > > > (saturn)

> > > > > sun lord(venus) in 2:12 relationship with ascendant lord

> > (saturn)

> > > > > sun lord in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

> > > > >

> > > > > moon lord (saturn) in 1:1 relationship with asc lord (saturn)

> > > > > moon lord (saturn) in 4:10 relationship with 7th lord (moon)

> > > > >

> > > > > Two 4:10 relationships equal 20 points, in the zero to twenty

> > > range

> > > > > causing DELAY

> > > > >

> > > > > HAPPY MARRIAGE LIFE LIST: (only writing positive)

> > > > >

> > > > > -1st points (26) within plus or minus five points of seventh

> > (24)

> > > > > -All significators have greater than 12 in the worksheet

> > > > > -12th from B (mercury) does NOT aspect B

> > > > > -sun is NOT in Pisces with greater than 4pts

> > > > > -points in 10th, 1st, 8th, 6th in Sarvashtakavarga are either

> > > > > average or less than 28

> > > > > -mars and venus do not receive saturn's aspect in Rasi and

> > Navamsa

> > > > >

> > > > > 70/150 points=HAPPY MARRIAGE

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, where I need step by step member interpretations and

> > > > guidance!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > According to the lessons, the Mahadasha is the Karaka or it's

> > > > > samdharmi;

> > > > >

> > > > > Natural Karaka is venus, but way too late, as native is

> already

> > > > > married; so need samdharmi;

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn is natural samdharmi to venus AND functional karaka

> for

> > > > House

> > > > > A, second house of Aquarius; so I will say Saturn Main.

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn Main is from approx 12 years old to 31 years old.

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn aspects all three primary upachayas and should cause

> > full

> > > > > delay of into third sector of selected sub.

> > > > >

> > > > > However this is mitigated somewhat by Jupiter having 7th

> sight

> > on

> > > > > saturn, which should mean event occurs in 2nd third of sub,

> > > > > correct????

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a happy marriage, so Jupiter, with 49 points, is

> eager

> > to

> > > > > give result; however, jupiter cannot because it is in the

> 12th

> > to

> > > > > it's own house, correct??? Or is that not reason enough?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regardless, Jupiter is lord of E and perhaps a samdharmi will

> > > come

> > > > > and give result in sub---moon is in 4:10 relationship with

> > > jupiter

> > > > > and has more points, so possibly moon sub in saturn/main?

> > > > >

> > > > > Then again, maybe not, because saturn's full delay of 27.5

> > years

> > > > > isn't over until about 1998 and moon sub in saturn main only

> > goes

> > > > > until 1995...

> > > > >

> > > > > Unless the aspect of jupiter mitigates not only the sub

> > sector ,

> > > > but

> > > > > saturns mahahdasha life span delay as well???! I'm confused.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then what about mars, lord of D, being a secondary upachaya,

> > > though

> > > > > aspecting House B; at least it's not in the 12th from it's

> own

> > > > > house, like jupiter!

> > > > >

> > > > > Again, I'm confused.

> > >

> > > SATURN'S TRANSIT THROUGH A SIGN TAKES 29.5 YEARS ACCORDING TO

> > > ASTRONOMY, AND NATAL SATURN IS AT 3 DEGREES 36 MINUTES TAURUS--

> > >

> > > SO 29.5 YEARS/30 DEGREES MULTIPLIED BY 3.6 DEGREES IS EQUAL TO A

> > > PERIOD OF 3.54 YEARS INTO TAURUS AT BIRTH TIME.

> > >

> > > JUDGING FROM POSTS BY ASH AND OTHERS, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT

> SATURN'S

> > > FULL DELAY IS OVER WHEN IT REACHES 0 DEGREES OF THE NEXT SIGN?????

> > >

> > > TAKING THAT TO BE THE CASE--25.96 YEARS MINIMUM MUST PASS TILL

> > > MARRIAGE--

> > >

> > > WHEN THE NATIVE IS 25 YEARS, 351 DAYS OLD, HE IS IN HIS

> SATURN/RAHU

> > > SUB, FROM OCTOBER 21, 1996 TO AUGUST 28, 1999

> > >

> > > JUPITER, BEING THE STRONGEST POSITIVE SIGNIFICATOR BY FAR WITH 49

> > > POINTS, AND LORD OF E TO BOOT!, WANTS DESPERATELY TO GIVE EVENT

> > > (CORRECT?), HOWEVER IT MOST CERTAINLY CAN'T BECAUSE IT IS IN THE

> > 12TH

> > > FROM IT'S OWN HOUSE.

> > >

> > > THEREFORE, JUPITER'S SAMDHARMI, IDEALLY THE LORD OF A SECONDARY

> > > UPACHAYA, OR A PLANET IN AN UPACHAYA WITH MORE POINTS WILL COME

> > > FORWARD TO GIVE THE EVENT, CORRECT????

> > >

> > > SO: FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS--

> > >

> > > MOON: IS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF JUPITER

> > > IS PLANET A WITH MORE POINTS IN 4:10 RELATIONSHIP WITH

> JUPITER

> > > AND IS LORD OF B FOCUS HOUSE IN PRIMARY UPACHAYA A WITH MORE

> > PTS.

> > > IS FOURTH STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR IN W.S WITH 23 POINTS

> > >

> > > PROBLEM IS THAT NEXT MOON SUB IS TOO FAR AWAY, BEING APRIL 9TH,

> > 1999

> > > TO SEPTEMBER 9, 2010 AND THE NATIVE IS ALREADY MARRIED!!!

> > >

> > > SO: SINCE JUPITER HAS NO OTHER SAMDHARMIS, I WILL CONSIDER NEXT

> > > HIGHEST SIGNIFICATOR, MARS, WITH 33 POINTS IN W.S

> > >

> > > MARS: IS IN NAKSHATRA OF MOON, FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMI TO JUPITER

> > > (SIGNIFICANT?)

> > > IS SECONDARY UPACHAYA E LORD AND PRIMARY UPACHAYA C LORD

> > >

> > > I WOULD CONSIDER MARS FOR RESULTS, EVEN THOUGH ASPECTING PRIMARY

> > > UPACHAYA B, BECAUSE OF GREATER THAN 20 POINTS IN W.S, HOWEVER

> MAR'S

> > > NEXT SUB COMES TOO LATE , BEING EVEN LATER THAN MOON'S IN MERCURY

> > > MAIN.

> > >

> > > SO: MARS:

> > >

> > > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> > >

> > > NONE, BECAUSE MARS IS SAMDHARMI TO LUMINARIES, WHICH IS ONE SIDED

> > > RELATIONSHIP, CORRECT?

> > >

> > > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS

> > >

> > > MERCURY: IN 4TH FROM MARS WITH MORE POINTS (6PTS)

> > > IN SECONDARY UPACHAYA E WITH MORE POINTS

> > >

> > > RAHU: SAMDHARMI FOR BOTH MARS AND SATURN , BUT ACTS MORE LIKE

> > > MARS, WHICH HAS THREE POINTS GIVEN TO CAPRICORN,

> > > WHERAS SATURN ONLY GIVES TWO

> > >

> > > I WILL FINALIZE THE SUB TO MERCURY IN MERCURY MAIN, BECAUSE IT

> > SEEMS

> > > LIKE MERCURY IS STRONGER SAMDHARMI AND MORE EAGER BEING IN

> > SECONDARY

> > > UPACHAYA WITH MORE POINTS

> > >

> > > SO SUB IS MERCURY-MERCURY FROM MARCH 10TH, 2002 TO AUGUST 6TH,

> 2004.

> >

> > Placing the event in Antardasha: (lesson 16):

> >

> > DELAY FACTORS

> >

> > Rasi Navamsa

> >

> > 1. Saturn aspects B lord(moon) ---------------

> >

> > 2. ---------------- --------------- (none with saturn

> >

> > 3. Saturn lord of A ---------------

> >

> > MITIGATING FACTORS

> >

> > Rasi Navamsa

> >

> > 1.Jupiter aspects A lord (saturn) Jupiter aspects 10 lord (moon)

> >

> > 2.Jupiter aspects saturn ------------------

> >

> > JUPITER MITIGATES, SO EVENT SHOULD BE IN SECOND SECTOR OF MERCURY

> SUB.

> >

> > HOWEVER,

> > SUB LORD (MERCURY) IN ARIES (MARS) AND ASHLESHA (MERCURY) IN RASI;

> >

> > MARS: SECOND THIRD

> > MERCURY: FIRST THIRD (FASTER MOVING ASTRONOMICALLY)

> >

> > NAVAMSA LORD OF SIGNIFICATOR (MERCURY) IS MERCURY)

> >

> > MERCURY: FIRST THIRD

> >

> > SO: TWO INDICATIONS OF 1ST THIRD (MERCURY IN MERCURY NAKSHATRA AND

> > NAVAMSA) AND TWO INDICATIONS OF 2ND THIRD (JUPITER MITIGATING

> > SATURN'S DELAY AND MERCURY IN MAR'S HOUSE OF ARIES IN RASI.

> >

> > EACH SECTOR IS 9MONTHS AND 19 DAYS; THE EVENT SHOULD TAKE PLACE

> > WITHIN THE FIRST TWO SECTORS

> >

> > SECTOR 1: MARCH 10TH, 2002-DECEMBER 29TH, 2002

> > SECTOR 2: DECEMBER 29TH, 2002-OCTOBER 18TH, 2003

> >

> > JUST COUNTING THE INFLUENCE OF THE SPEED OF LORDS THE SUBLORD IS

> IN,

> > THERE ARE TWO INDICATIONS FOR 1ST SECTOR, AND ONLY ONE FOR THE 2ND.

> >

> > I WILL GO OUT ON A LIMB AND DECLARE THE 1ST SECTOR FOR THE TIMING

> OF

> > THE EVENT:

> >

> > 3/10/2002-12/29/2002

> >

> > CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG!!!

> >

> > Using the probable date finder:

> >

> > JUPITER AND MARS: NOVEMBER 16TH TO NOVEMBER 19TH

> > JUPITER AND SATURN: MARCH 18TH-APRIL 4TH

> > MARS AND SATURN: NOVEMBER 20TH-DECEMBER 2ND

> >

> > HOW CAN I NARROW DOWN EVEN FURTHER?

> >

> > > DO YOU THINK THIS IS RIGHT; PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR

> ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SOLVE THIS AND SHOW THEIR WORK AND

> > REASONING?

> > > > > ASH, WHAT DO YOU THINK??

> > > > > Thanks to all who have responded so far.

> > > > >

> > > > > -tom

> > > >

> >

>

June 25, 2007

I get capricoen ascendent with full saturn delay,

moderated by jupiter, but there is jupiter delay as

well

Satish

--- everylightifound <everylightifound

wrote:

>

> DEAR ANUP,

>

> PLEASE SHOW ME HOW YOU CAME UP WITH RAHU'S SUB; YOU

> WERE CLOSER THAN

> I WAS!!! THE MARRIAGE WAS ON FEBRUARY 14TH, 1998

>

> -TOM

>

> ,

> " Anup. M "

> <dalh_1 wrote:

> >

> > Dear TOM,

> >

> > Taking Asc 1Aq14, there is delay

> by saturn..Plz

> check Saturn is with Lord of B (Sun), and aspecting

> LOA and LoC

> (Jupitor)

> >

> > Marriage may happen in Aug1998-July 1999 in 3rd

> sector of Rahu

> antra.

> >

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > everylightifound <everylightifound wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > This is my very first time attempting to solve a

> chart, and this is

> > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself,

> for about five

> > hours last night, and am listing my work, and

> asking for assistance

> > and correction where necessary, especially on

> determining Mahadasha

> > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths

> are so

> complicated

> > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

> consideration...

> >

> > Last night I spent the better part of the evening

> working on a

> male's

> > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a

> friend of my

> > father's, and I told my father to write down his

> date of marriage

> for

> > me to check against my deduction once I'm

> reasonably sure I've

> > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and

> marriage and divorce

> > indications and figured out most functional

> samdharmis, however, I

> am

> > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub

> periods based on

> > samdharmi.

> >

> > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and

> EST in Kingston,

> > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> >

> > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points

> in Lagna, mercury

> > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in

> the third, the Sun

> > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4

> points in the 10th,

> > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> >

> > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the

> nakshatra of Aswini, so

> > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor

> aspected by saturn in

> > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to

> relationship

> with

> > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is

> not with mars in

> > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> >

> > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th

> lord from B (moon)

> is

> > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B,

> C lords (sun and

> > moon).

> >

> > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> >

> > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS

> LESS THAN 12 (11);

> > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > mars-47 pts

> > venus-28

> > jupiter-26

> > mercury-20

> > saturn-17

> > sun-14

> >

> > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE

> RESULTS--

> > mars has 8th sight on B

> > moon has 7th sight on B

> > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> >

> > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through

> samdharmis

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> >

> > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points;

> since planet " A " -

> > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as

> functional samdharmi

> to

> > jupiter

> >

> > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points;

> venus is neutral

> > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has

> 5pts! So Mercury

> > functional samdharmi to mars.

> >

> > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter

> in 4:1o

> > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit

> through sign

> Aquarius

> > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> >

> > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> >

> > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> >

> > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from

> jupiter--JUPITER SUB GIVES

> BAD

> > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> >

> > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that

> order are best

> > significators.

> >

> > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give

> results directly

> >

> > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely

> it's samdharmi will

> > come forward for sub.

> >

> > MAHADASHA:

> > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main

> is from 2/7/2026-

> > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural

> samdharmi

> strongest--

> > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7

> relationship.

> > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31

> yrs old)

> >

> > ANTARDASHA:

> >

> > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive

> significator mars: sun,

> moon

> > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> >

> > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW

> ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> >

>

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June 25, 2007

Dear Satish,

I am getting the following.

Planet Degrees

As 1 Aq 14

Su 5 Ta 4

Mo 23 Aq 33

Ma 15 Cp 1

Me 9 Ar 31

JuR 9 Sc 33

Ve 8 Ar 18

Sa 3 Ta 36

Ra 26 Cp 4

Ke 26 Cn 4

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> I get capricoen ascendent with full saturn delay,

> moderated by jupiter, but there is jupiter delay as

> well

>

> Satish

>

> Satish

> --- everylightifound <everylightifound

> wrote:

>

> >

> > DEAR ANUP,

> >

> > PLEASE SHOW ME HOW YOU CAME UP WITH RAHU'S SUB; YOU

> > WERE CLOSER THAN

> > I WAS!!! THE MARRIAGE WAS ON FEBRUARY 14TH, 1998

> >

> > -TOM

> >

> > ,

> > " Anup. M "

> > <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear TOM,

> > >

> > > Taking Asc 1Aq14, there is delay

> > by saturn..Plz

> > check Saturn is with Lord of B (Sun), and aspecting

> > LOA and LoC

> > (Jupitor)

> > >

> > > Marriage may happen in Aug1998-July 1999 in 3rd

> > sector of Rahu

> > antra.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Anup

> > >

> > > everylightifound <everylightifound@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello all,

> > >

> > > This is my very first time attempting to solve a

> > chart, and this is

> > > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself,

> > for about five

> > > hours last night, and am listing my work, and

> > asking for assistance

> > > and correction where necessary, especially on

> > determining Mahadasha

> > > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths

> > are so

> > complicated

> > > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

> > consideration...

> > >

> > > Last night I spent the better part of the evening

> > working on a

> > male's

> > > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a

> > friend of my

> > > father's, and I told my father to write down his

> > date of marriage

> > for

> > > me to check against my deduction once I'm

> > reasonably sure I've

> > > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and

> > marriage and divorce

> > > indications and figured out most functional

> > samdharmis, however, I

> > am

> > > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub

> > periods based on

> > > samdharmi.

> > >

> > > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and

> > EST in Kingston,

> > > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> > >

> > > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points

> > in Lagna, mercury

> > > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in

> > the third, the Sun

> > > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4

> > points in the 10th,

> > > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> > >

> > > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the

> > nakshatra of Aswini, so

> > > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor

> > aspected by saturn in

> > > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to

> > relationship

> > with

> > > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is

> > not with mars in

> > > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> > >

> > > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th

> > lord from B (moon)

> > is

> > > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B,

> > C lords (sun and

> > > moon).

> > >

> > > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> > >

> > > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS

> > LESS THAN 12 (11);

> > > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > > mars-47 pts

> > > venus-28

> > > jupiter-26

> > > mercury-20

> > > saturn-17

> > > sun-14

> > >

> > > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE

> > RESULTS--

> > > mars has 8th sight on B

> > > moon has 7th sight on B

> > > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> > >

> > > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through

> > samdharmis

> > >

> > > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> > >

> > > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points;

> > since planet " A " -

> > > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as

> > functional samdharmi

> > to

> > > jupiter

> > >

> > > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points;

> > venus is neutral

> > > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has

> > 5pts! So Mercury

> > > functional samdharmi to mars.

> > >

> > > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter

> > in 4:1o

> > > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit

> > through sign

> > Aquarius

> > > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> > >

> > > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> > >

> > > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> > >

> > > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> > >

> > > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> > >

> > > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from

> > jupiter--JUPITER SUB GIVES

> > BAD

> > > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> > >

> > > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that

> > order are best

> > > significators.

> > >

> > > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give

> > results directly

> > >

> > > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely

> > it's samdharmi will

> > > come forward for sub.

> > >

> > > MAHADASHA:

> > > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main

> > is from 2/7/2026-

> > > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural

> > samdharmi

> > strongest--

> > > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7

> > relationship.

> > > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31

> > yrs old)

> > >

> > > ANTARDASHA:

> > >

> > > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive

> > significator mars: sun,

> > moon

> > > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> > >

> > > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW

> > ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> > >

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

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____

> Don't pick lemons.

> See all the new 2007 cars at Autos.

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>

June 25, 2007

Dear Ash,

Thankyou very much for your encouraging words and

blessings.

Ash,I learned everything from this forum and you .Respected Krushnaji's

blessings were always with me in disguise.Yes, you kept me on my track and i

work hard since i joined this forum in Feb2007.I saw nothing in this period but

my aim...to learn KAS.

Please keep guiding me...

Regards

Anup

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Anup,

Congratulations to you for solving this chart correctly.

This is nothing but the result of your effort and hard work.

Keep working hard Anup.

Well Done.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " everylightifound "

<everylightifound wrote:

>

> DEAR ANUP,

>

> PLEASE SHOW ME HOW YOU CAME UP WITH RAHU'S SUB; YOU WERE CLOSER THAN

> I WAS!!! THE MARRIAGE WAS ON FEBRUARY 14TH, 1998

>

> -TOM

>

> , " Anup. M "

> <dalh_1@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear TOM,

> >

> > Taking Asc 1Aq14, there is delay by saturn..Plz

> check Saturn is with Lord of B (Sun), and aspecting LOA and LoC

> (Jupitor)

> >

> > Marriage may happen in Aug1998-July 1999 in 3rd sector of Rahu

> antra.

> >

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > everylightifound <everylightifound@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > This is my very first time attempting to solve a chart, and this is

> > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself, for about five

> > hours last night, and am listing my work, and asking for assistance

> > and correction where necessary, especially on determining Mahadasha

> > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths are so

> complicated

> > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your consideration...

> >

> > Last night I spent the better part of the evening working on a

> male's

> > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a friend of my

> > father's, and I told my father to write down his date of marriage

> for

> > me to check against my deduction once I'm reasonably sure I've

> > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and marriage and divorce

> > indications and figured out most functional samdharmis, however, I

> am

> > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub periods based on

> > samdharmi.

> >

> > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and EST in Kingston,

> > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> >

> > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points in Lagna, mercury

> > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in the third, the Sun

> > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4 points in the 10th,

> > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> >

> > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the nakshatra of Aswini, so

> > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor aspected by saturn in

> > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to relationship

> with

> > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is not with mars in

> > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> >

> > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th lord from B (moon)

> is

> > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B, C lords (sun and

> > moon).

> >

> > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> >

> > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS LESS THAN 12 (11);

> > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > mars-47 pts

> > venus-28

> > jupiter-26

> > mercury-20

> > saturn-17

> > sun-14

> >

> > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE RESULTS--

> > mars has 8th sight on B

> > moon has 7th sight on B

> > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> >

> > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through samdharmis

> >

> > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> >

> > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points; since planet " A " -

> > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as functional samdharmi

> to

> > jupiter

> >

> > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points; venus is neutral

> > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has 5pts! So Mercury

> > functional samdharmi to mars.

> >

> > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter in 4:1o

> > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit through sign

> Aquarius

> > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> >

> > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> >

> > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> >

> > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> >

> > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> >

> > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from jupiter--JUPITER SUB GIVES

> BAD

> > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> >

> > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that order are best

> > significators.

> >

> > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give results directly

> >

> > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely it's samdharmi will

> > come forward for sub.

> >

> > MAHADASHA:

> > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main is from 2/7/2026-

> > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural samdharmi

> strongest--

> > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7 relationship.

> > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31 yrs old)

> >

> > ANTARDASHA:

> >

> > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive significator mars: sun,

> moon

> > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> >

> > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> >

> > ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SEEING DELAY IN THE CHART; SINCE SATURN

> DOESN'T

> > ASPECT A,B,OR C, PLUS SATURN IS ASPECTED BY JUPITER.

> >

> > Can someone take me through the final steps please? Ash, it seems

> > you are the most knowledgeable member, and I would appreciate your

> > input.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Tom

> >

> > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from

> someone who knows.

> > Answers - Check it out.

> >

June 25, 2007

Dear Satish,

How can Ju moderate delay? Ju is at 9 Sc 33.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, SPK

<aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> I get capricoen ascendent with full saturn delay,

> moderated by jupiter, but there is jupiter delay as

> well

>

> Satish

>

> Satish

> --- everylightifound <everylightifound

> wrote:

>

> >

> > DEAR ANUP,

> >

> > PLEASE SHOW ME HOW YOU CAME UP WITH RAHU'S SUB; YOU

> > WERE CLOSER THAN

> > I WAS!!! THE MARRIAGE WAS ON FEBRUARY 14TH, 1998

> >

> > -TOM

> >

> > ,

> > " Anup. M "

> > <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear TOM,

> > >

> > > Taking Asc 1Aq14, there is delay

> > by saturn..Plz

> > check Saturn is with Lord of B (Sun), and aspecting

> > LOA and LoC

> > (Jupitor)

> > >

> > > Marriage may happen in Aug1998-July 1999 in 3rd

> > sector of Rahu

> > antra.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Anup

> > >

> > > everylightifound <everylightifound@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello all,

> > >

> > > This is my very first time attempting to solve a

> > chart, and this is

> > > not a cop-out!!! I have done a lot of work myself,

> > for about five

> > > hours last night, and am listing my work, and

> > asking for assistance

> > > and correction where necessary, especially on

> > determining Mahadasha

> > > and Bhukti, because Samdharmi rules and strengths

> > are so

> > complicated

> > > to me at this point! I very much appreciate your

> > consideration...

> > >

> > > Last night I spent the better part of the evening

> > working on a

> > male's

> > > chart attempting deduce the marriage date; he's a

> > friend of my

> > > father's, and I told my father to write down his

> > date of marriage

> > for

> > > me to check against my deduction once I'm

> > reasonably sure I've

> > > figured it out; I've done the worksheet and

> > marriage and divorce

> > > indications and figured out most functional

> > samdharmis, however, I

> > am

> > > stuck in attempting to determine mahadasha and sub

> > periods based on

> > > samdharmi.

> > >

> > > He was born on May 19th, 1971 at 2:00 a.m DST and

> > EST in Kingston,

> > > Ontario, 44n17, 76w30.

> > >

> > > Using KAS, for Aquarius Lagna, moon has 6 points

> > in Lagna, mercury

> > > has 5 points in the third, venus has 4 points in

> > the third, the Sun

> > > and Saturn have 3 points in 4th, jupiter has 4

> > points in the 10th,

> > > and mars has 2 points in the 12th.

> > >

> > > As far as status of Karaka; Venus is in the

> > nakshatra of Aswini, so

> > > unspoiled; venus is not associated with, nor

> > aspected by saturn in

> > > the Rasi OR Navamsa; Venus is NORMAL in regards to

> > relationship

> > with

> > > sun, being a healthy 30 some degrees away, and is

> > not with mars in

> > > the Rasi or Navamsa.

> > >

> > > Additionally, Jupiter is not in Libra; The 12th

> > lord from B (moon)

> > is

> > > not in B; 12th from B (moon) doesn't aspect A, B,

> > C lords (sun and

> > > moon).

> > >

> > > So Venus is fine; correct me if I'm wrong.

> > >

> > > PLANETARY STRENGTHS WORKSHEET: ONLY THE MOON HAS

> > LESS THAN 12 (11);

> > > FOR POSITIVE RESULTS:

> > > mars-47 pts

> > > venus-28

> > > jupiter-26

> > > mercury-20

> > > saturn-17

> > > sun-14

> > >

> > > Now, PLANETS ASPECTING A,B,C UPACHAYAS CAN'T GIVE

> > RESULTS--

> > > mars has 8th sight on B

> > > moon has 7th sight on B

> > > Jupiter has 5th sight on A

> > >

> > > so mars, moon, and jupiter can only act through

> > samdharmis

> > >

> > > FUNCTIONAL SAMDHARMIS:

> > > mercury and venus ( both in Aries and Aswini)

> > > sun and saturn (both in Taurus and Krittika)

> > >

> > > Based on Tenth house theory--

> > > Jupiter with 4pts in 10th from moon with 6 points;

> > since planet " A " -

> > > moon has more points than jupiter, it acts as

> > functional samdharmi

> > to

> > > jupiter

> > >

> > > mars in 10th from mercury and venus with 2 points;

> > venus is neutral

> > > so can't be samdharmi to mars; however mercury has

> > 5pts! So Mercury

> > > functional samdharmi to mars.

> > >

> > > Also, moon being functional samdharmi to jupiter

> > in 4:1o

> > > relationship, aspects house B, so Sun's transit

> > through sign

> > Aquarius

> > > and nakshatra P. Bhadrapada IMPORTANT.

> > >

> > > Rahu in Aquarius and nakshatra of Dhanista

> > > Rahu samdharmi to saturn and mars

> > >

> > > Ketu in Leo and nakshatra of Ashlesha

> > > Ketua samdharmi to sun and mercury

> > >

> > > NATURAL SAMDHARMIS

> > >

> > > venus-saturn; mars-moon; mars-sun

> > >

> > > 12th lord from B (moon) in fourth from

> > jupiter--JUPITER SUB GIVES

> > BAD

> > > RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE.

> > >

> > > so mars, venus, mercury, saturn, and sun in that

> > order are best

> > > significators.

> > >

> > > Only venus, mercury, saturn, and sun can give

> > results directly

> > >

> > > Mars wants to give results most, so most likely

> > it's samdharmi will

> > > come forward for sub.

> > >

> > > MAHADASHA:

> > > usually in Karaka main-venus; however venus main

> > is from 2/7/2026-

> > > 2/7/2046, and he is already married!!!

> > > --so samdharmi acts for venus main---the natural

> > samdharmi

> > strongest--

> > > which is saturn, since venus and saturn not in 1:7

> > relationship.

> > > IS THIS CORRECT?

> > > Saturn main occurs from 2/8/1983-2/8/2019 (12-31

> > yrs old)

> > >

> > > ANTARDASHA:

> > >

> > > Natural samdharmi for strongest positive

> > significator mars: sun,

> > moon

> > > Functional samdharmi for mars: mercury, rahu

> > >

> > > HOW CAN I DETERMINE STRENGTHS AND NARROW

> > ANTARDASHA FROM HERE?

> > >

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

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