Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Thanks Ash, I was going through lesson 7 on the points calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship was taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in lagna and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not see moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or do the planets have to be in actual kendra position for this calculation to apply? Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per say) > but what happens is > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if Ju is > also SD to 9th > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the delay > due to Jupiter itself. > > Reason. > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If the > natural guru of > the chart itself is involved in causing the delay > and at the same time > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > giving the blessing > then in that case, a powerful blessing might remove > the delay of Sa > but it can't remove its own. > > Example. > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved by > her father and > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > might be the reason > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to her > fathers blessing. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay and > not > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > Satish > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > I could not participate this discussion due to > my > > > busy schedule. > > > However I had gone through the messages posted > by > > > you all. > > > In this context I would like to congratulate > Anup > > > for the correct approach. > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of this > > > native. > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > native > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > Since the asc falls in border line I analysed > the > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq but > could > > > not find the convincing results for marriage. > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. But > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself is > in > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 Apr > 98. > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara 2nd > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > In fact marriage took place during same period > . > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the delay > could > > > be nullified. > > > When you consider the nullification of delay > then > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > caused > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju also, so > the > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes its > two > > > rounds of the chart. > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during this > > > time native was passing through Sa main and Mo > > > antar. > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house can > not > > > give the event. > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > strong in > > > WS could have given its result in the third > sector. > > > But it did not happen. > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > Reasons > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. Me > is > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve is > also > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the aspect > of > > > Sa. > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close to > one > > > another degreewise. > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > lagna,Su > > > and Mo is 4:10, 4:10 and 4:10. > > > Ra is SD to Sa and Ma.When Ma was unable to > give > > > the event its SD has done the job. > > > 2.When asc is Aq. > > > I got asc as 1 Aq 17. I could not understand > how > > > Anup got asc as 1 Aq 14. > > > Here also blessings are present in navamsa. > > > Here also the delay is due to Sa and Ju. > > > In this case 7th house is aspected by Mo with > > > malefic sight. > > > All the planets except Mo are strong in WS. > > > LoD is Ve who is in 12th from its own house so > > > naturally Ve is out of this race. > > > As before delay ends on 8 Nov 94 during Sa-Mo. > > > Ma is here in house E with 2 bindus only > therefore > > > antar of Ma is eliminated. > > > The following Ra antara is SD to LoE with > strong > > > 17 points capable to give the event. > > > Thus I found that Aq lagna is more suitable > than > > > Cp lagna. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > Now that's room service! 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Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Dear Satish, Moon can never control any planet. I think this was given somewhere in some lesson. So even if Moon is in 10th place with less than 4 bindus it can never boss over any planet in 4th. So in this case, Moon is in 10th from Venus and Moon is with 3 bindus and Ve is in 4th from Moon then even in such case, Moon cannot boss over Venus and there will be no points transfer. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Thanks Ash, > > I was going through lesson 7 on the points > calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship was > taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in lagna > and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not see > moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point > calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship > from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or do > the planets have to be in actual kendra position for > this calculation to apply? > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per say) > > but what happens is > > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if Ju is > > also SD to 9th > > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the delay > > due to Jupiter itself. > > > > Reason. > > > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If the > > natural guru of > > the chart itself is involved in causing the delay > > and at the same time > > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > > giving the blessing > > then in that case, a powerful blessing might remove > > the delay of Sa > > but it can't remove its own. > > > > Example. > > > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved by > > her father and > > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > > might be the reason > > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to her > > fathers blessing. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay and > > not > > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > > I could not participate this discussion due to > > my > > > > busy schedule. > > > > However I had gone through the messages posted > > by > > > > you all. > > > > In this context I would like to congratulate > > Anup > > > > for the correct approach. > > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of this > > > > native. > > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > > native > > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > > Since the asc falls in border line I analysed > > the > > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq but > > could > > > > not find the convincing results for marriage. > > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. But > > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself is > > in > > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 Apr > > 98. > > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara 2nd > > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > > In fact marriage took place during same period > > . > > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the delay > > could > > > > be nullified. > > > > When you consider the nullification of delay > > then > > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > > caused > > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju also, so > > the > > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes its > > two > > > > rounds of the chart. > > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during this > > > > time native was passing through Sa main and Mo > > > > antar. > > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house can > > not > > > > give the event. > > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > > strong in > > > > WS could have given its result in the third > > sector. > > > > But it did not happen. > > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > > Reasons > > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. Me > > is > > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve is > > also > > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the aspect > > of > > > > Sa. > > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close to > > one > > > > another degreewise. > > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > > lagna,Su > > > > and Mo is 4:10, 4:10 and 4:10. > > > > Ra is SD to Sa and Ma.When Ma was unable to > > give > > > > the event its SD has done the job. > > > > 2.When asc is Aq. > > > > I got asc as 1 Aq 17. I could not understand > > how > > > > Anup got asc as 1 Aq 14. > > > > Here also blessings are present in navamsa. > > > > Here also the delay is due to Sa and Ju. > > > > In this case 7th house is aspected by Mo with > > > > malefic sight. > > > > All the planets except Mo are strong in WS. > > > > LoD is Ve who is in 12th from its own house so > > > > naturally Ve is out of this race. > > > > As before delay ends on 8 Nov 94 during Sa-Mo. > > > > Ma is here in house E with 2 bindus only > > therefore > > > > antar of Ma is eliminated. > > > > The following Ra antara is SD to LoE with > > strong > > > > 17 points capable to give the event. > > > > Thus I found that Aq lagna is more suitable > > than > > > > Cp lagna. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > > Now that's room service! 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Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Dear Satish, Sorry, I did not answer the last part of the question. 10th house from any house is the authority house. So 4th house is boss of 7th house, 6th house is boss of 9th. Here boss I am referring means Authority house or 10th house from a house. About this concept refer to Krushaji's mails and exchange with Sanjay Jaggia in the achieves and this will get clear. For a proper 4:10 the planet in 10th house Must have less than 4 bindus and planet in 4th from it must have more than 4 bindus. Then subordinate is noble and boss is strict so here Boss will control subordinate well and subordinate will work for the boss in a nice way. If the planet in 4th house is malefic means with less than 4 bindus and boss is noble means with more than 4 bindus then here opposite results will happen in the sense, the subordinate will OPPOSE boss when it gets the chance. So this u can read from the analysis Krushanji did on Ron's chart in the archives about the wife leaving and returning during a antra. For further details on other scenarios just refer to the archives on the 4:10 discussion and i think everything should get clear. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Thanks Ash, > > I was going through lesson 7 on the points > calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship was > taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in lagna > and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not see > moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point > calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship > from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or do > the planets have to be in actual kendra position for > this calculation to apply? > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per say) > > but what happens is > > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if Ju is > > also SD to 9th > > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the delay > > due to Jupiter itself. > > > > Reason. > > > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If the > > natural guru of > > the chart itself is involved in causing the delay > > and at the same time > > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > > giving the blessing > > then in that case, a powerful blessing might remove > > the delay of Sa > > but it can't remove its own. > > > > Example. > > > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved by > > her father and > > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > > might be the reason > > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to her > > fathers blessing. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay and > > not > > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > > I could not participate this discussion due to > > my > > > > busy schedule. > > > > However I had gone through the messages posted > > by > > > > you all. > > > > In this context I would like to congratulate > > Anup > > > > for the correct approach. > > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of this > > > > native. > > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > > native > > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > > Since the asc falls in border line I analysed > > the > > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq but > > could > > > > not find the convincing results for marriage. > > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. But > > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself is > > in > > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 Apr > > 98. > > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara 2nd > > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > > In fact marriage took place during same period > > . > > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the delay > > could > > > > be nullified. > > > > When you consider the nullification of delay > > then > > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > > caused > > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju also, so > > the > > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes its > > two > > > > rounds of the chart. > > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during this > > > > time native was passing through Sa main and Mo > > > > antar. > > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house can > > not > > > > give the event. > > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > > strong in > > > > WS could have given its result in the third > > sector. > > > > But it did not happen. > > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > > Reasons > > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. Me > > is > > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve is > > also > > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the aspect > > of > > > > Sa. > > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close to > > one > > > > another degreewise. > > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > > lagna,Su > > > > and Mo is 4:10, 4:10 and 4:10. > > > > Ra is SD to Sa and Ma.When Ma was unable to > > give > > > > the event its SD has done the job. > > > > 2.When asc is Aq. > > > > I got asc as 1 Aq 17. I could not understand > > how > > > > Anup got asc as 1 Aq 14. > > > > Here also blessings are present in navamsa. > > > > Here also the delay is due to Sa and Ju. > > > > In this case 7th house is aspected by Mo with > > > > malefic sight. > > > > All the planets except Mo are strong in WS. > > > > LoD is Ve who is in 12th from its own house so > > > > naturally Ve is out of this race. > > > > As before delay ends on 8 Nov 94 during Sa-Mo. > > > > Ma is here in house E with 2 bindus only > > therefore > > > > antar of Ma is eliminated. > > > > The following Ra antara is SD to LoE with > > strong > > > > 17 points capable to give the event. > > > > Thus I found that Aq lagna is more suitable > > than > > > > Cp lagna. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > > Now that's room service! 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Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 oops I forgot one more point. It is not necessary to have 4:10 in kendra from lagna only. So if a planet say Mars is in 11th house with 3 bindus and say if Ju is in 2nd house with 5 bindus then also there is 4:10 and points and Mars will control Ju. In this case, Ju will add its points to Mars for all 12 houses. But careful for Libra and Cancer lagna where Ju is 6th lord in that case, then thats a different story. So 4:10 can exist in any house and not necessarily only in kendras from lagna. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Thanks Ash, > > I was going through lesson 7 on the points > calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship was > taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in lagna > and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not see > moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point > calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship > from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or do > the planets have to be in actual kendra position for > this calculation to apply? > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per say) > > but what happens is > > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if Ju is > > also SD to 9th > > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the delay > > due to Jupiter itself. > > > > Reason. > > > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If the > > natural guru of > > the chart itself is involved in causing the delay > > and at the same time > > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > > giving the blessing > > then in that case, a powerful blessing might remove > > the delay of Sa > > but it can't remove its own. > > > > Example. > > > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved by > > her father and > > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > > might be the reason > > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to her > > fathers blessing. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay and > > not > > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > > I could not participate this discussion due to > > my > > > > busy schedule. > > > > However I had gone through the messages posted > > by > > > > you all. > > > > In this context I would like to congratulate > > Anup > > > > for the correct approach. > > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of this > > > > native. > > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > > native > > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > > Since the asc falls in border line I analysed > > the > > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq but > > could > > > > not find the convincing results for marriage. > > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. But > > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself is > > in > > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 Apr > > 98. > > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara 2nd > > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > > In fact marriage took place during same period > > . > > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the delay > > could > > > > be nullified. > > > > When you consider the nullification of delay > > then > > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > > caused > > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju also, so > > the > > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes its > > two > > > > rounds of the chart. > > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during this > > > > time native was passing through Sa main and Mo > > > > antar. > > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house can > > not > > > > give the event. > > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > > strong in > > > > WS could have given its result in the third > > sector. > > > > But it did not happen. > > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > > Reasons > > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. Me > > is > > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve is > > also > > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the aspect > > of > > > > Sa. > > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close to > > one > > > > another degreewise. > > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > > lagna,Su > > > > and Mo is 4:10, 4:10 and 4:10. > > > > Ra is SD to Sa and Ma.When Ma was unable to > > give > > > > the event its SD has done the job. > > > > 2.When asc is Aq. > > > > I got asc as 1 Aq 17. I could not understand > > how > > > > Anup got asc as 1 Aq 14. > > > > Here also blessings are present in navamsa. > > > > Here also the delay is due to Sa and Ju. > > > > In this case 7th house is aspected by Mo with > > > > malefic sight. > > > > All the planets except Mo are strong in WS. > > > > LoD is Ve who is in 12th from its own house so > > > > naturally Ve is out of this race. > > > > As before delay ends on 8 Nov 94 during Sa-Mo. > > > > Ma is here in house E with 2 bindus only > > therefore > > > > antar of Ma is eliminated. > > > > The following Ra antara is SD to LoE with > > strong > > > > 17 points capable to give the event. > > > > Thus I found that Aq lagna is more suitable > > than > > > > Cp lagna. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 > > hotels > > > in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find > > your fit. > > > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. > http://sims./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Thanks Ash, Moon can not control , but can he be controlled. What if moon is in 4th from saturn, will saturn get points from moon ? Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > oops I forgot one more point. > > It is not necessary to have 4:10 in kendra from > lagna only. > > So if a planet say Mars is in 11th house with 3 > bindus and say if Ju > is in 2nd house with 5 bindus then also there is > 4:10 and points and > Mars will control Ju. > > In this case, Ju will add its points to Mars for all > 12 houses. But > careful for Libra and Cancer lagna where Ju is 6th > lord in that case, > then thats a different story. > > So 4:10 can exist in any house and not necessarily > only in kendras > from lagna. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > I was going through lesson 7 on the points > > calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship > was > > taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in > lagna > > and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not > see > > moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point > > calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship > > from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or > do > > the planets have to be in actual kendra position > for > > this calculation to apply? > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per > say) > > > but what happens is > > > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if > Ju is > > > also SD to 9th > > > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the > delay > > > due to Jupiter itself. > > > > > > Reason. > > > > > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If > the > > > natural guru of > > > the chart itself is involved in causing the > delay > > > and at the same time > > > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > > > giving the blessing > > > then in that case, a powerful blessing might > remove > > > the delay of Sa > > > but it can't remove its own. > > > > > > Example. > > > > > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved > by > > > her father and > > > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > > > might be the reason > > > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to > her > > > fathers blessing. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > , > SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay > and > > > not > > > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > > > I could not participate this discussion > due to > > > my > > > > > busy schedule. > > > > > However I had gone through the messages > posted > > > by > > > > > you all. > > > > > In this context I would like to > congratulate > > > Anup > > > > > for the correct approach. > > > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of > this > > > > > native. > > > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > > > native > > > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > > > Since the asc falls in border line I > analysed > > > the > > > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq > but > > > could > > > > > not find the convincing results for > marriage. > > > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. > But > > > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself > is > > > in > > > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 > Apr > > > 98. > > > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara > 2nd > > > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > > > In fact marriage took place during same > period > > > . > > > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the > delay > > > could > > > > > be nullified. > > > > > When you consider the nullification of > delay > > > then > > > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > > > caused > > > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju > also, so > > > the > > > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes > its > > > two > > > > > rounds of the chart. > > > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during > this > > > > > time native was passing through Sa main and > Mo > > > > > antar. > > > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house > can > > > not > > > > > give the event. > > > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > > > strong in > > > > > WS could have given its result in the third > > > sector. > > > > > But it did not happen. > > > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > > > Reasons > > > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. > Me > > > is > > > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve > is > > > also > > > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the > aspect > > > of > > > > > Sa. > > > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close > to > > > one > > > > > another degreewise. > > > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > > > lagna,Su > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile./mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Dear Satish, Yes. In some post Krushanji has written about this as well about Moon and why it can't control. I think the reason was that Moon is a very gentle planet and it by no means can boss over any planet due to that factor even if its with less than 4 bindus. However, if someone can dig up that mail from the archives we can confirm it. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Thanks Ash, > > Moon can not control , but can he be controlled. What > if moon is in 4th from saturn, will saturn get points > from moon ? > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > oops I forgot one more point. > > > > It is not necessary to have 4:10 in kendra from > > lagna only. > > > > So if a planet say Mars is in 11th house with 3 > > bindus and say if Ju > > is in 2nd house with 5 bindus then also there is > > 4:10 and points and > > Mars will control Ju. > > > > In this case, Ju will add its points to Mars for all > > 12 houses. But > > careful for Libra and Cancer lagna where Ju is 6th > > lord in that case, > > then thats a different story. > > > > So 4:10 can exist in any house and not necessarily > > only in kendras > > from lagna. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > I was going through lesson 7 on the points > > > calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship > > was > > > taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in > > lagna > > > and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not > > see > > > moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point > > > calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship > > > from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or > > do > > > the planets have to be in actual kendra position > > for > > > this calculation to apply? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per > > say) > > > > but what happens is > > > > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if > > Ju is > > > > also SD to 9th > > > > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the > > delay > > > > due to Jupiter itself. > > > > > > > > Reason. > > > > > > > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If > > the > > > > natural guru of > > > > the chart itself is involved in causing the > > delay > > > > and at the same time > > > > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > > > > giving the blessing > > > > then in that case, a powerful blessing might > > remove > > > > the delay of Sa > > > > but it can't remove its own. > > > > > > > > Example. > > > > > > > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved > > by > > > > her father and > > > > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > > > > might be the reason > > > > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to > > her > > > > fathers blessing. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay > > and > > > > not > > > > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > > > > I could not participate this discussion > > due to > > > > my > > > > > > busy schedule. > > > > > > However I had gone through the messages > > posted > > > > by > > > > > > you all. > > > > > > In this context I would like to > > congratulate > > > > Anup > > > > > > for the correct approach. > > > > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of > > this > > > > > > native. > > > > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > > > > native > > > > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > > > > Since the asc falls in border line I > > analysed > > > > the > > > > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq > > but > > > > could > > > > > > not find the convincing results for > > marriage. > > > > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. > > But > > > > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself > > is > > > > in > > > > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 > > Apr > > > > 98. > > > > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara > > 2nd > > > > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > > > > In fact marriage took place during same > > period > > > > . > > > > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the > > delay > > > > could > > > > > > be nullified. > > > > > > When you consider the nullification of > > delay > > > > then > > > > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > > > > caused > > > > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju > > also, so > > > > the > > > > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes > > its > > > > two > > > > > > rounds of the chart. > > > > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during > > this > > > > > > time native was passing through Sa main and > > Mo > > > > > > antar. > > > > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house > > can > > > > not > > > > > > give the event. > > > > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > > > > strong in > > > > > > WS could have given its result in the third > > > > sector. > > > > > > But it did not happen. > > > > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > > > > Reasons > > > > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. > > Me > > > > is > > > > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve > > is > > > > also > > > > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the > > aspect > > > > of > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close > > to > > > > one > > > > > > another degreewise. > > > > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > > > > lagna,Su > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile./mail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Ash, Plz clear the confusion though i am getting this. Venus with 4points in the 10th place from Satrun having 2 points and obviously Saturn will oppose Venus, no doubt during Venus antra. Now if Venus is LoD for 7th house conjoin Mars very closely(diff of only 2 Deg appr) , i notice that Saturn even didnt allow Venus to give marriage event though Venus is LoD for 7thhaving 25 points and Mars is strongest in 5th house having 26 points, and LoE in 12th house. Can Saturn opposition may deny the event in such antra like venus and its samdharmi ,in the above case? Regards Anup ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Satish, Yes. In some post Krushanji has written about this as well about Moon and why it can't control. I think the reason was that Moon is a very gentle planet and it by no means can boss over any planet due to that factor even if its with less than 4 bindus. However, if someone can dig up that mail from the archives we can confirm it. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Thanks Ash, > > Moon can not control , but can he be controlled. What > if moon is in 4th from saturn, will saturn get points > from moon ? > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > oops I forgot one more point. > > > > It is not necessary to have 4:10 in kendra from > > lagna only. > > > > So if a planet say Mars is in 11th house with 3 > > bindus and say if Ju > > is in 2nd house with 5 bindus then also there is > > 4:10 and points and > > Mars will control Ju. > > > > In this case, Ju will add its points to Mars for all > > 12 houses. But > > careful for Libra and Cancer lagna where Ju is 6th > > lord in that case, > > then thats a different story. > > > > So 4:10 can exist in any house and not necessarily > > only in kendras > > from lagna. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > I was going through lesson 7 on the points > > > calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship > > was > > > taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in > > lagna > > > and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not > > see > > > moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point > > > calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship > > > from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or > > do > > > the planets have to be in actual kendra position > > for > > > this calculation to apply? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per > > say) > > > > but what happens is > > > > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if > > Ju is > > > > also SD to 9th > > > > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the > > delay > > > > due to Jupiter itself. > > > > > > > > Reason. > > > > > > > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If > > the > > > > natural guru of > > > > the chart itself is involved in causing the > > delay > > > > and at the same time > > > > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > > > > giving the blessing > > > > then in that case, a powerful blessing might > > remove > > > > the delay of Sa > > > > but it can't remove its own. > > > > > > > > Example. > > > > > > > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved > > by > > > > her father and > > > > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > > > > might be the reason > > > > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to > > her > > > > fathers blessing. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay > > and > > > > not > > > > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > > > > I could not participate this discussion > > due to > > > > my > > > > > > busy schedule. > > > > > > However I had gone through the messages > > posted > > > > by > > > > > > you all. > > > > > > In this context I would like to > > congratulate > > > > Anup > > > > > > for the correct approach. > > > > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of > > this > > > > > > native. > > > > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > > > > native > > > > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > > > > Since the asc falls in border line I > > analysed > > > > the > > > > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq > > but > > > > could > > > > > > not find the convincing results for > > marriage. > > > > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. > > But > > > > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself > > is > > > > in > > > > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 > > Apr > > > > 98. > > > > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara > > 2nd > > > > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > > > > In fact marriage took place during same > > period > > > > . > > > > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the > > delay > > > > could > > > > > > be nullified. > > > > > > When you consider the nullification of > > delay > > > > then > > > > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > > > > caused > > > > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju > > also, so > > > > the > > > > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes > > its > > > > two > > > > > > rounds of the chart. > > > > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during > > this > > > > > > time native was passing through Sa main and > > Mo > > > > > > antar. > > > > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house > > can > > > > not > > > > > > give the event. > > > > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > > > > strong in > > > > > > WS could have given its result in the third > > > > sector. > > > > > > But it did not happen. > > > > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > > > > Reasons > > > > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. > > Me > > > > is > > > > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve > > is > > > > also > > > > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the > > aspect > > > > of > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close > > to > > > > one > > > > > > another degreewise. > > > > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > > > > lagna,Su > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ________ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile./mail > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Anup, I am unable to say much as u havent given full data except general approach. I dont knwo which house, what is lagna, degree of venus and other planets, their navamsa position, SDs etc. I will try to give the approach but take it as a general approach. Sa and Ve are NSD so that is one point. Now Ve is with Mars and status of Venus i do not know, which sign it is and which nakshatra. Saturn is in 4th place from this Venus with 2 bindus so it means that Saturn on one had will oppose and at the same time will also give power to Venus. Now i don't know if Ve and Sa are in 1:7 in navamsa otherwise they will cease to act as NSD, but lets take they are not in 1:7. So here Saturn will make venus powerful for all houses by giving it +6 points. Now, Ve is with Mars and aspected by Saturn, now i also do not know if any of of the planets involved are 6th lord and their powers in 5th and 12th house as well as 7th. Now, a lot will also depend on the WS and the status of the planets. So if say Venus is spoilt and its with Ma and aspected by Saturn then it will means something. If Ve is karak and root karak then also it means something when its spoilt. Lagna points, intellegence etc all things must be read to get a proper idea of the person. If Venus is good power then it will give, in Saturn antra also person might get but with opposition based on lagna on what Sa represents. It might give temporary or if 6th lord is involved then it might give relations based on 5th and 12th points. Also a lot will matter if there is any planet in 7th from venus.. etc etc... So its very hard to explain all this without proper chart. But take this and check, if there was relation as such a venus antra might give relation but how strong or weak and in Saturn antra one might face opposition but again all will depend on the WS powers of planets. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Plz clear the confusion though i am getting this. > > Venus with 4points in the 10th place from Satrun having 2 points and obviously Saturn will oppose Venus, no doubt during Venus antra. > Now if Venus is LoD for 7th house conjoin Mars very closely(diff of only 2 Deg appr) , i notice that Saturn even didnt allow Venus to give marriage event though Venus is LoD for 7thhaving 25 points and Mars is strongest in 5th house having 26 points, and LoE in 12th house. > Can Saturn opposition may deny the event in such antra like venus and its samdharmi ,in the above case? > > Regards > Anup > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Yes. > > In some post Krushanji has written about this as well about Moon and > why it can't control. > > I think the reason was that Moon is a very gentle planet and it by no > means can boss over any planet due to that factor even if its with > less than 4 bindus. > > However, if someone can dig up that mail from the archives we can > confirm it. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > Moon can not control , but can he be controlled. What > > if moon is in 4th from saturn, will saturn get points > > from moon ? > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > oops I forgot one more point. > > > > > > It is not necessary to have 4:10 in kendra from > > > lagna only. > > > > > > So if a planet say Mars is in 11th house with 3 > > > bindus and say if Ju > > > is in 2nd house with 5 bindus then also there is > > > 4:10 and points and > > > Mars will control Ju. > > > > > > In this case, Ju will add its points to Mars for all > > > 12 houses. But > > > careful for Libra and Cancer lagna where Ju is 6th > > > lord in that case, > > > then thats a different story. > > > > > > So 4:10 can exist in any house and not necessarily > > > only in kendras > > > from lagna. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > I was going through lesson 7 on the points > > > > calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship > > > was > > > > taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in > > > lagna > > > > and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not > > > see > > > > moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point > > > > calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship > > > > from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or > > > do > > > > the planets have to be in actual kendra position > > > for > > > > this calculation to apply? > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per > > > say) > > > > > but what happens is > > > > > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if > > > Ju is > > > > > also SD to 9th > > > > > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the > > > delay > > > > > due to Jupiter itself. > > > > > > > > > > Reason. > > > > > > > > > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If > > > the > > > > > natural guru of > > > > > the chart itself is involved in causing the > > > delay > > > > > and at the same time > > > > > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > > > > > giving the blessing > > > > > then in that case, a powerful blessing might > > > remove > > > > > the delay of Sa > > > > > but it can't remove its own. > > > > > > > > > > Example. > > > > > > > > > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved > > > by > > > > > her father and > > > > > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > > > > > might be the reason > > > > > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to > > > her > > > > > fathers blessing. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > > > > > I could not participate this discussion > > > due to > > > > > my > > > > > > > busy schedule. > > > > > > > However I had gone through the messages > > > posted > > > > > by > > > > > > > you all. > > > > > > > In this context I would like to > > > congratulate > > > > > Anup > > > > > > > for the correct approach. > > > > > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of > > > this > > > > > > > native. > > > > > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > > > > > native > > > > > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > > > > > Since the asc falls in border line I > > > analysed > > > > > the > > > > > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq > > > but > > > > > could > > > > > > > not find the convincing results for > > > marriage. > > > > > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > > > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > > > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. > > > But > > > > > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > > > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 > > > Apr > > > > > 98. > > > > > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara > > > 2nd > > > > > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > > > > > In fact marriage took place during same > > > period > > > > > . > > > > > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the > > > delay > > > > > could > > > > > > > be nullified. > > > > > > > When you consider the nullification of > > > delay > > > > > then > > > > > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > > > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > > > > > caused > > > > > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju > > > also, so > > > > > the > > > > > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes > > > its > > > > > two > > > > > > > rounds of the chart. > > > > > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during > > > this > > > > > > > time native was passing through Sa main and > > > Mo > > > > > > > antar. > > > > > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house > > > can > > > > > not > > > > > > > give the event. > > > > > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > > > > > strong in > > > > > > > WS could have given its result in the third > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > But it did not happen. > > > > > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > > > > > Reasons > > > > > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > > > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. > > > Me > > > > > is > > > > > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > > > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve > > > is > > > > > also > > > > > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > > > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the > > > aspect > > > > > of > > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close > > > to > > > > > one > > > > > > > another degreewise. > > > > > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > > > > > lagna,Su > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > > with Mail for Mobile. Get started. > > http://mobile./mail > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Ash, Many thanxs for taking your spare time for explanation.I am sorry i cld not furnish deatail as required.Actually, while going thru many charts , sometimes one can stuck for a easy step like i did. Here is the detail DOB 18thJune1977 TOB 08.15am Lat 18N58 Long 72E50 -05.30 IST Asc is 3CN15 Lagna is on border. Ther native is still unmarried. I will go for Asc3CN15 due to following events. But i have only this info as far as i cld get. commerce graduate completed in the year 1998. Joined fathers pharma business in 1999-2000. Thats the the time his father seperated from his elder brother from partnership and the native joined him.The native has taken lots of loans then, which they are still repaying. That i am not seeing in summary charts since 2001 onwards from 11th v/s12th house.. So in this context i asked you the the only reasoning ,Why Venus antra cldnt give marriage in 2001-2004?. Whenever i am confused, i think more and more. And many thoughts crept in mind, though. But need your advise always:) Regards Anup ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Anup, I am unable to say much as u havent given full data except general approach. I dont knwo which house, what is lagna, degree of venus and other planets, their navamsa position, SDs etc. I will try to give the approach but take it as a general approach. Sa and Ve are NSD so that is one point. Now Ve is with Mars and status of Venus i do not know, which sign it is and which nakshatra. Saturn is in 4th place from this Venus with 2 bindus so it means that Saturn on one had will oppose and at the same time will also give power to Venus. Now i don't know if Ve and Sa are in 1:7 in navamsa otherwise they will cease to act as NSD, but lets take they are not in 1:7. So here Saturn will make venus powerful for all houses by giving it +6 points. Now, Ve is with Mars and aspected by Saturn, now i also do not know if any of of the planets involved are 6th lord and their powers in 5th and 12th house as well as 7th. Now, a lot will also depend on the WS and the status of the planets. So if say Venus is spoilt and its with Ma and aspected by Saturn then it will means something. If Ve is karak and root karak then also it means something when its spoilt. Lagna points, intellegence etc all things must be read to get a proper idea of the person. If Venus is good power then it will give, in Saturn antra also person might get but with opposition based on lagna on what Sa represents. It might give temporary or if 6th lord is involved then it might give relations based on 5th and 12th points. Also a lot will matter if there is any planet in 7th from venus.. etc etc... So its very hard to explain all this without proper chart. But take this and check, if there was relation as such a venus antra might give relation but how strong or weak and in Saturn antra one might face opposition but again all will depend on the WS powers of planets. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Plz clear the confusion though i am getting this. > > Venus with 4points in the 10th place from Satrun having 2 points and obviously Saturn will oppose Venus, no doubt during Venus antra. > Now if Venus is LoD for 7th house conjoin Mars very closely(diff of only 2 Deg appr) , i notice that Saturn even didnt allow Venus to give marriage event though Venus is LoD for 7thhaving 25 points and Mars is strongest in 5th house having 26 points, and LoE in 12th house. > Can Saturn opposition may deny the event in such antra like venus and its samdharmi ,in the above case? > > Regards > Anup > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Yes. > > In some post Krushanji has written about this as well about Moon and > why it can't control. > > I think the reason was that Moon is a very gentle planet and it by no > means can boss over any planet due to that factor even if its with > less than 4 bindus. > > However, if someone can dig up that mail from the archives we can > confirm it. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > Moon can not control , but can he be controlled. What > > if moon is in 4th from saturn, will saturn get points > > from moon ? > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > oops I forgot one more point. > > > > > > It is not necessary to have 4:10 in kendra from > > > lagna only. > > > > > > So if a planet say Mars is in 11th house with 3 > > > bindus and say if Ju > > > is in 2nd house with 5 bindus then also there is > > > 4:10 and points and > > > Mars will control Ju. > > > > > > In this case, Ju will add its points to Mars for all > > > 12 houses. But > > > careful for Libra and Cancer lagna where Ju is 6th > > > lord in that case, > > > then thats a different story. > > > > > > So 4:10 can exist in any house and not necessarily > > > only in kendras > > > from lagna. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > I was going through lesson 7 on the points > > > > calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship > > > was > > > > taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in > > > lagna > > > > and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not > > > see > > > > moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point > > > > calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship > > > > from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or > > > do > > > > the planets have to be in actual kendra position > > > for > > > > this calculation to apply? > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per > > > say) > > > > > but what happens is > > > > > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if > > > Ju is > > > > > also SD to 9th > > > > > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the > > > delay > > > > > due to Jupiter itself. > > > > > > > > > > Reason. > > > > > > > > > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If > > > the > > > > > natural guru of > > > > > the chart itself is involved in causing the > > > delay > > > > > and at the same time > > > > > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > > > > > giving the blessing > > > > > then in that case, a powerful blessing might > > > remove > > > > > the delay of Sa > > > > > but it can't remove its own. > > > > > > > > > > Example. > > > > > > > > > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved > > > by > > > > > her father and > > > > > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > > > > > might be the reason > > > > > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to > > > her > > > > > fathers blessing. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > > > > > I could not participate this discussion > > > due to > > > > > my > > > > > > > busy schedule. > > > > > > > However I had gone through the messages > > > posted > > > > > by > > > > > > > you all. > > > > > > > In this context I would like to > > > congratulate > > > > > Anup > > > > > > > for the correct approach. > > > > > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of > > > this > > > > > > > native. > > > > > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > > > > > native > > > > > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > > > > > Since the asc falls in border line I > > > analysed > > > > > the > > > > > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq > > > but > > > > > could > > > > > > > not find the convincing results for > > > marriage. > > > > > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > > > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > > > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. > > > But > > > > > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > > > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 > > > Apr > > > > > 98. > > > > > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara > > > 2nd > > > > > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > > > > > In fact marriage took place during same > > > period > > > > > . > > > > > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the > > > delay > > > > > could > > > > > > > be nullified. > > > > > > > When you consider the nullification of > > > delay > > > > > then > > > > > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > > > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > > > > > caused > > > > > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju > > > also, so > > > > > the > > > > > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes > > > its > > > > > two > > > > > > > rounds of the chart. > > > > > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during > > > this > > > > > > > time native was passing through Sa main and > > > Mo > > > > > > > antar. > > > > > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house > > > can > > > > > not > > > > > > > give the event. > > > > > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > > > > > strong in > > > > > > > WS could have given its result in the third > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > But it did not happen. > > > > > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > > > > > Reasons > > > > > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > > > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. > > > Me > > > > > is > > > > > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > > > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve > > > is > > > > > also > > > > > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > > > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the > > > aspect > > > > > of > > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close > > > to > > > > > one > > > > > > > another degreewise. > > > > > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > > > > > lagna,Su > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > > with Mail for Mobile. Get started. > > http://mobile./mail > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Anup, Here Venus is spoilt its distance to sun is 45.7 deg and its asp by Saturn and Saturn aspects moon a luminiary in navasma. At the same time this Venus is in neecha sign in navamsa and also Mo is with Ketu. DBCE points from Su and Mo are in rising trend. 1st lord is in 12th, 12th lord is in 11th, 11th lord is in 10th. So 1st, 12th and 11th lords are loosing status. Yes, 12th lord in 11th means 11th house results are enhanced but at same time 12th house is loosing status. 4 planets are powerful for 7th house Mo, Ma, Me, and Ve. Mo is SD to 6th lord, Ma is with Ju, Me and is with Ju and Venus's status is spoilt status and add to it Mars is with Venus as well. Ketu is SD to Ju and Ra is SD to Su and Ma out of which sun is weak for 7th. This person will have atleast two very strong relationships from early age. In Venus antra also he might have been in an intense relationship. In Venus antra also Saturn was transiting 0 points in 12th house. So he might have faced some problems as well. This person also might have a tendency to put on weight quickly. In any way, he might have strong relationships which might not have materialized and hence the delay. If you can find out it might be good. In Ve antra he might have relations. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Many thanxs for taking your spare time for explanation.I am sorry i cld not furnish deatail as required.Actually, while going thru many charts , sometimes one can stuck for a easy step like i did. > > Here is the detail > DOB 18thJune1977 > TOB 08.15am > Lat 18N58 Long 72E50 -05.30 IST > Asc is 3CN15 > > Lagna is on border. > Ther native is still unmarried. > > I will go for Asc3CN15 due to following events. > But i have only this info as far as i cld get. > commerce graduate completed in the year 1998. > Joined fathers pharma business in 1999-2000. Thats the the time his father seperated from his elder brother from partnership and the native joined him.The native has taken lots of loans then, which they are still repaying. > That i am not seeing in summary charts since 2001 onwards from 11th v/s12th house.. > > So in this context i asked you the the only reasoning ,Why Venus antra cldnt give marriage in 2001-2004?. > Whenever i am confused, i think more and more. > And many thoughts crept in mind, though. > But need your advise always:) > > Regards > Anup > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Anup, > I am unable to say much as u havent given full data except general > approach. > > I dont knwo which house, what is lagna, degree of venus and other > planets, their navamsa position, SDs etc. > > I will try to give the approach but take it as a general approach. > > Sa and Ve are NSD so that is one point. > > Now Ve is with Mars and status of Venus i do not know, which sign it > is and which nakshatra. > > Saturn is in 4th place from this Venus with 2 bindus so it means that > Saturn on one had will oppose and at the same time will also give > power to Venus. > > Now i don't know if Ve and Sa are in 1:7 in navamsa otherwise they > will cease to act as NSD, but lets take they are not in 1:7. > > So here Saturn will make venus powerful for all houses by giving it +6 > points. > > Now, Ve is with Mars and aspected by Saturn, now i also do not know if > any of of the planets involved are 6th lord and their powers in 5th > and 12th house as well as 7th. > > Now, a lot will also depend on the WS and the status of the planets. > > So if say Venus is spoilt and its with Ma and aspected by Saturn then > it will means something. If Ve is karak and root karak then also it > means something when its spoilt. > > Lagna points, intellegence etc all things must be read to get a proper > idea of the person. > > If Venus is good power then it will give, in Saturn antra also person > might get but with opposition based on lagna on what Sa represents. > It might give temporary or if 6th lord is involved then it might give > relations based on 5th and 12th points. Also a lot will matter if > there is any planet in 7th from venus.. > > etc etc... > > So its very hard to explain all this without proper chart. But take > this and check, if there was relation as such a venus antra might give > relation but how strong or weak and in Saturn antra one might face > opposition but again all will depend on the WS powers of planets. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " Anup. M " > <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Plz clear the confusion though i am getting this. > > > > Venus with 4points in the 10th place from Satrun having 2 points > and obviously Saturn will oppose Venus, no doubt during Venus antra. > > Now if Venus is LoD for 7th house conjoin Mars very closely(diff > of only 2 Deg appr) , i notice that Saturn even didnt allow Venus to > give marriage event though Venus is LoD for 7thhaving 25 points and > Mars is strongest in 5th house having 26 points, and LoE in 12th house. > > Can Saturn opposition may deny the event in such antra like venus > and its samdharmi ,in the above case? > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > > > Yes. > > > > In some post Krushanji has written about this as well about Moon and > > why it can't control. > > > > I think the reason was that Moon is a very gentle planet and it by no > > means can boss over any planet due to that factor even if its with > > less than 4 bindus. > > > > However, if someone can dig up that mail from the archives we can > > confirm it. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > Moon can not control , but can he be controlled. What > > > if moon is in 4th from saturn, will saturn get points > > > from moon ? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > oops I forgot one more point. > > > > > > > > It is not necessary to have 4:10 in kendra from > > > > lagna only. > > > > > > > > So if a planet say Mars is in 11th house with 3 > > > > bindus and say if Ju > > > > is in 2nd house with 5 bindus then also there is > > > > 4:10 and points and > > > > Mars will control Ju. > > > > > > > > In this case, Ju will add its points to Mars for all > > > > 12 houses. But > > > > careful for Libra and Cancer lagna where Ju is 6th > > > > lord in that case, > > > > then thats a different story. > > > > > > > > So 4:10 can exist in any house and not necessarily > > > > only in kendras > > > > from lagna. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I was going through lesson 7 on the points > > > > > calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship > > > > was > > > > > taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in > > > > lagna > > > > > and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not > > > > see > > > > > moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point > > > > > calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship > > > > > from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or > > > > do > > > > > the planets have to be in actual kendra position > > > > for > > > > > this calculation to apply? > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per > > > > say) > > > > > > but what happens is > > > > > > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if > > > > Ju is > > > > > > also SD to 9th > > > > > > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the > > > > delay > > > > > > due to Jupiter itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If > > > > the > > > > > > natural guru of > > > > > > the chart itself is involved in causing the > > > > delay > > > > > > and at the same time > > > > > > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > > > > > > giving the blessing > > > > > > then in that case, a powerful blessing might > > > > remove > > > > > > the delay of Sa > > > > > > but it can't remove its own. > > > > > > > > > > > > Example. > > > > > > > > > > > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved > > > > by > > > > > > her father and > > > > > > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > > > > > > might be the reason > > > > > > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to > > > > her > > > > > > fathers blessing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > > > > > > I could not participate this discussion > > > > due to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > busy schedule. > > > > > > > > However I had gone through the messages > > > > posted > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > you all. > > > > > > > > In this context I would like to > > > > congratulate > > > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > for the correct approach. > > > > > > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of > > > > this > > > > > > > > native. > > > > > > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > > > > > > Since the asc falls in border line I > > > > analysed > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq > > > > but > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > not find the convincing results for > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > > > > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > > > > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > > > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. > > > > But > > > > > > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > > > > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 > > > > Apr > > > > > > 98. > > > > > > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > > > > > > In fact marriage took place during same > > > > period > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the > > > > delay > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > be nullified. > > > > > > > > When you consider the nullification of > > > > delay > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > > > > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > > > > > > caused > > > > > > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju > > > > also, so > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes > > > > its > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > rounds of the chart. > > > > > > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during > > > > this > > > > > > > > time native was passing through Sa main and > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > antar. > > > > > > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house > > > > can > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > give the event. > > > > > > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > > > > > > strong in > > > > > > > > WS could have given its result in the third > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > But it did not happen. > > > > > > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > > > > > > Reasons > > > > > > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > > > > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. > > > > Me > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > > > > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve > > > > is > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > > > > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the > > > > aspect > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close > > > > to > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > another degreewise. > > > > > > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > > > > > > lagna,Su > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > > > with Mail for Mobile. Get started. > > > http://mobile./mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > surfing. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Ash, Yes,You are right Ash. I cld get only this much from the native and he wrote........ " I like a girl, but finding it difficult to convince her for marraige. I like her since 5 years now. When i can marry her " ? As you wrote even i feel that he might had two strong relationships in Mercury and Venus antras. Venus itself spoiled to this extent and its samdharmi Mars is with 6th lord in Sun navamsa. So Mars cldnot even give marriage i think. Saturn opposes Venus being in 4:10 relation. This might not be the only reason for not giving marriage by Venus. Venus properties are spoiled, hence incapable to function, though strong in all the houses. I will also give feedback about your last words about putting on weight. Can Mars antra give the marriage? I expect group memebers to analyse this for an exercise purpose. Thanxsand Regards Anup ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Anup, Here Venus is spoilt its distance to sun is 45.7 deg and its asp by Saturn and Saturn aspects moon a luminiary in navasma. At the same time this Venus is in neecha sign in navamsa and also Mo is with Ketu. DBCE points from Su and Mo are in rising trend. 1st lord is in 12th, 12th lord is in 11th, 11th lord is in 10th. So 1st, 12th and 11th lords are loosing status. Yes, 12th lord in 11th means 11th house results are enhanced but at same time 12th house is loosing status. 4 planets are powerful for 7th house Mo, Ma, Me, and Ve. Mo is SD to 6th lord, Ma is with Ju, Me and is with Ju and Venus's status is spoilt status and add to it Mars is with Venus as well. Ketu is SD to Ju and Ra is SD to Su and Ma out of which sun is weak for 7th. This person will have atleast two very strong relationships from early age. In Venus antra also he might have been in an intense relationship. In Venus antra also Saturn was transiting 0 points in 12th house. So he might have faced some problems as well. This person also might have a tendency to put on weight quickly. In any way, he might have strong relationships which might not have materialized and hence the delay. If you can find out it might be good. In Ve antra he might have relations. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Many thanxs for taking your spare time for explanation.I am sorry i cld not furnish deatail as required.Actually, while going thru many charts , sometimes one can stuck for a easy step like i did. > > Here is the detail > DOB 18thJune1977 > TOB 08.15am > Lat 18N58 Long 72E50 -05.30 IST > Asc is 3CN15 > > Lagna is on border. > Ther native is still unmarried. > > I will go for Asc3CN15 due to following events. > But i have only this info as far as i cld get. > commerce graduate completed in the year 1998. > Joined fathers pharma business in 1999-2000. Thats the the time his father seperated from his elder brother from partnership and the native joined him.The native has taken lots of loans then, which they are still repaying. > That i am not seeing in summary charts since 2001 onwards from 11th v/s12th house.. > > So in this context i asked you the the only reasoning ,Why Venus antra cldnt give marriage in 2001-2004?. > Whenever i am confused, i think more and more. > And many thoughts crept in mind, though. > But need your advise always:) > > Regards > Anup > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Anup, > I am unable to say much as u havent given full data except general > approach. > > I dont knwo which house, what is lagna, degree of venus and other > planets, their navamsa position, SDs etc. > > I will try to give the approach but take it as a general approach. > > Sa and Ve are NSD so that is one point. > > Now Ve is with Mars and status of Venus i do not know, which sign it > is and which nakshatra. > > Saturn is in 4th place from this Venus with 2 bindus so it means that > Saturn on one had will oppose and at the same time will also give > power to Venus. > > Now i don't know if Ve and Sa are in 1:7 in navamsa otherwise they > will cease to act as NSD, but lets take they are not in 1:7. > > So here Saturn will make venus powerful for all houses by giving it +6 > points. > > Now, Ve is with Mars and aspected by Saturn, now i also do not know if > any of of the planets involved are 6th lord and their powers in 5th > and 12th house as well as 7th. > > Now, a lot will also depend on the WS and the status of the planets. > > So if say Venus is spoilt and its with Ma and aspected by Saturn then > it will means something. If Ve is karak and root karak then also it > means something when its spoilt. > > Lagna points, intellegence etc all things must be read to get a proper > idea of the person. > > If Venus is good power then it will give, in Saturn antra also person > might get but with opposition based on lagna on what Sa represents. > It might give temporary or if 6th lord is involved then it might give > relations based on 5th and 12th points. Also a lot will matter if > there is any planet in 7th from venus.. > > etc etc... > > So its very hard to explain all this without proper chart. But take > this and check, if there was relation as such a venus antra might give > relation but how strong or weak and in Saturn antra one might face > opposition but again all will depend on the WS powers of planets. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " Anup. M " > <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Plz clear the confusion though i am getting this. > > > > Venus with 4points in the 10th place from Satrun having 2 points > and obviously Saturn will oppose Venus, no doubt during Venus antra. > > Now if Venus is LoD for 7th house conjoin Mars very closely(diff > of only 2 Deg appr) , i notice that Saturn even didnt allow Venus to > give marriage event though Venus is LoD for 7thhaving 25 points and > Mars is strongest in 5th house having 26 points, and LoE in 12th house. > > Can Saturn opposition may deny the event in such antra like venus > and its samdharmi ,in the above case? > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > > > Yes. > > > > In some post Krushanji has written about this as well about Moon and > > why it can't control. > > > > I think the reason was that Moon is a very gentle planet and it by no > > means can boss over any planet due to that factor even if its with > > less than 4 bindus. > > > > However, if someone can dig up that mail from the archives we can > > confirm it. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > Moon can not control , but can he be controlled. What > > > if moon is in 4th from saturn, will saturn get points > > > from moon ? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > oops I forgot one more point. > > > > > > > > It is not necessary to have 4:10 in kendra from > > > > lagna only. > > > > > > > > So if a planet say Mars is in 11th house with 3 > > > > bindus and say if Ju > > > > is in 2nd house with 5 bindus then also there is > > > > 4:10 and points and > > > > Mars will control Ju. > > > > > > > > In this case, Ju will add its points to Mars for all > > > > 12 houses. But > > > > careful for Libra and Cancer lagna where Ju is 6th > > > > lord in that case, > > > > then thats a different story. > > > > > > > > So 4:10 can exist in any house and not necessarily > > > > only in kendras > > > > from lagna. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I was going through lesson 7 on the points > > > > > calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship > > > > was > > > > > taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in > > > > lagna > > > > > and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not > > > > see > > > > > moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point > > > > > calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship > > > > > from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or > > > > do > > > > > the planets have to be in actual kendra position > > > > for > > > > > this calculation to apply? > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per > > > > say) > > > > > > but what happens is > > > > > > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if > > > > Ju is > > > > > > also SD to 9th > > > > > > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the > > > > delay > > > > > > due to Jupiter itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If > > > > the > > > > > > natural guru of > > > > > > the chart itself is involved in causing the > > > > delay > > > > > > and at the same time > > > > > > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > > > > > > giving the blessing > > > > > > then in that case, a powerful blessing might > > > > remove > > > > > > the delay of Sa > > > > > > but it can't remove its own. > > > > > > > > > > > > Example. > > > > > > > > > > > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved > > > > by > > > > > > her father and > > > > > > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > > > > > > might be the reason > > > > > > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to > > > > her > > > > > > fathers blessing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > > > > > > I could not participate this discussion > > > > due to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > busy schedule. > > > > > > > > However I had gone through the messages > > > > posted > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > you all. > > > > > > > > In this context I would like to > > > > congratulate > > > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > for the correct approach. > > > > > > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of > > > > this > > > > > > > > native. > > > > > > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > > > > > > Since the asc falls in border line I > > > > analysed > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq > > > > but > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > not find the convincing results for > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > > > > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > > > > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > > > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. > > > > But > > > > > > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > > > > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 > > > > Apr > > > > > > 98. > > > > > > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > > > > > > In fact marriage took place during same > > > > period > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the > > > > delay > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > be nullified. > > > > > > > > When you consider the nullification of > > > > delay > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > > > > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > > > > > > caused > > > > > > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju > > > > also, so > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes > > > > its > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > rounds of the chart. > > > > > > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during > > > > this > > > > > > > > time native was passing through Sa main and > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > antar. > > > > > > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house > > > > can > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > give the event. > > > > > > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > > > > > > strong in > > > > > > > > WS could have given its result in the third > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > But it did not happen. > > > > > > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > > > > > > Reasons > > > > > > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > > > > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. > > > > Me > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > > > > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve > > > > is > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > > > > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the > > > > aspect > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close > > > > to > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > another degreewise. > > > > > > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > > > > > > lagna,Su > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > > > with Mail for Mobile. Get started. > > > http://mobile./mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > surfing. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Ash , Anup and all, I think this person may get married in Ra antara between the period 7 May 2009 and 19 Apr 2010. Ra is SD to Me (LoE ). I could not understand how Ash is telling Ra SD to Su ? May be typo or overlooking. This person will not marry this girl. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Ash, Yes,You are right Ash. I cld get only this much from the native and he wrote........ " I like a girl, but finding it difficult to convince her for marraige. I like her since 5 years now. When i can marry her " ? As you wrote even i feel that he might had two strong relationships in Mercury and Venus antras. Venus itself spoiled to this extent and its samdharmi Mars is with 6th lord in Sun navamsa. So Mars cldnot even give marriage i think. Saturn opposes Venus being in 4:10 relation. This might not be the only reason for not giving marriage by Venus. Venus properties are spoiled, hence incapable to function, though strong in all the houses. I will also give feedback about your last words about putting on weight. Can Mars antra give the marriage? I expect group memebers to analyse this for an exercise purpose. Thanxsand Regards Anup ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Anup, Here Venus is spoilt its distance to sun is 45.7 deg and its asp by Saturn and Saturn aspects moon a luminiary in navasma. At the same time this Venus is in neecha sign in navamsa and also Mo is with Ketu. DBCE points from Su and Mo are in rising trend. 1st lord is in 12th, 12th lord is in 11th, 11th lord is in 10th. So 1st, 12th and 11th lords are loosing status. Yes, 12th lord in 11th means 11th house results are enhanced but at same time 12th house is loosing status. 4 planets are powerful for 7th house Mo, Ma, Me, and Ve. Mo is SD to 6th lord, Ma is with Ju, Me and is with Ju and Venus's status is spoilt status and add to it Mars is with Venus as well. Ketu is SD to Ju and Ra is SD to Su and Ma out of which sun is weak for 7th. This person will have atleast two very strong relationships from early age. In Venus antra also he might have been in an intense relationship. In Venus antra also Saturn was transiting 0 points in 12th house. So he might have faced some problems as well. This person also might have a tendency to put on weight quickly. In any way, he might have strong relationships which might not have materialized and hence the delay. If you can find out it might be good. In Ve antra he might have relations. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Many thanxs for taking your spare time for explanation.I am sorry i cld not furnish deatail as required.Actually, while going thru many charts , sometimes one can stuck for a easy step like i did. > > Here is the detail > DOB 18thJune1977 > TOB 08.15am > Lat 18N58 Long 72E50 -05.30 IST > Asc is 3CN15 > > Lagna is on border. > Ther native is still unmarried. > > I will go for Asc3CN15 due to following events. > But i have only this info as far as i cld get. > commerce graduate completed in the year 1998. > Joined fathers pharma business in 1999-2000. Thats the the time his father seperated from his elder brother from partnership and the native joined him.The native has taken lots of loans then, which they are still repaying. > That i am not seeing in summary charts since 2001 onwards from 11th v/s12th house.. > > So in this context i asked you the the only reasoning ,Why Venus antra cldnt give marriage in 2001-2004?. > Whenever i am confused, i think more and more. > And many thoughts crept in mind, though. > But need your advise always:) > > Regards > Anup > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Anup, > I am unable to say much as u havent given full data except general > approach. > > I dont knwo which house, what is lagna, degree of venus and other > planets, their navamsa position, SDs etc. > > I will try to give the approach but take it as a general approach. > > Sa and Ve are NSD so that is one point. > > Now Ve is with Mars and status of Venus i do not know, which sign it > is and which nakshatra. > > Saturn is in 4th place from this Venus with 2 bindus so it means that > Saturn on one had will oppose and at the same time will also give > power to Venus. > > Now i don't know if Ve and Sa are in 1:7 in navamsa otherwise they > will cease to act as NSD, but lets take they are not in 1:7. > > So here Saturn will make venus powerful for all houses by giving it +6 > points. > > Now, Ve is with Mars and aspected by Saturn, now i also do not know if > any of of the planets involved are 6th lord and their powers in 5th > and 12th house as well as 7th. > > Now, a lot will also depend on the WS and the status of the planets. > > So if say Venus is spoilt and its with Ma and aspected by Saturn then > it will means something. If Ve is karak and root karak then also it > means something when its spoilt. > > Lagna points, intellegence etc all things must be read to get a proper > idea of the person. > > If Venus is good power then it will give, in Saturn antra also person > might get but with opposition based on lagna on what Sa represents. > It might give temporary or if 6th lord is involved then it might give > relations based on 5th and 12th points. Also a lot will matter if > there is any planet in 7th from venus.. > > etc etc... > > So its very hard to explain all this without proper chart. But take > this and check, if there was relation as such a venus antra might give > relation but how strong or weak and in Saturn antra one might face > opposition but again all will depend on the WS powers of planets. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " Anup. M " > <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Plz clear the confusion though i am getting this. > > > > Venus with 4points in the 10th place from Satrun having 2 points > and obviously Saturn will oppose Venus, no doubt during Venus antra. > > Now if Venus is LoD for 7th house conjoin Mars very closely(diff > of only 2 Deg appr) , i notice that Saturn even didnt allow Venus to > give marriage event though Venus is LoD for 7thhaving 25 points and > Mars is strongest in 5th house having 26 points, and LoE in 12th house. > > Can Saturn opposition may deny the event in such antra like venus > and its samdharmi ,in the above case? > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > > > Yes. > > > > In some post Krushanji has written about this as well about Moon and > > why it can't control. > > > > I think the reason was that Moon is a very gentle planet and it by no > > means can boss over any planet due to that factor even if its with > > less than 4 bindus. > > > > However, if someone can dig up that mail from the archives we can > > confirm it. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > Moon can not control , but can he be controlled. What > > > if moon is in 4th from saturn, will saturn get points > > > from moon ? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > oops I forgot one more point. > > > > > > > > It is not necessary to have 4:10 in kendra from > > > > lagna only. > > > > > > > > So if a planet say Mars is in 11th house with 3 > > > > bindus and say if Ju > > > > is in 2nd house with 5 bindus then also there is > > > > 4:10 and points and > > > > Mars will control Ju. > > > > > > > > In this case, Ju will add its points to Mars for all > > > > 12 houses. But > > > > careful for Libra and Cancer lagna where Ju is 6th > > > > lord in that case, > > > > then thats a different story. > > > > > > > > So 4:10 can exist in any house and not necessarily > > > > only in kendras > > > > from lagna. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I was going through lesson 7 on the points > > > > > calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship > > > > was > > > > > taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in > > > > lagna > > > > > and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not > > > > see > > > > > moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point > > > > > calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship > > > > > from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or > > > > do > > > > > the planets have to be in actual kendra position > > > > for > > > > > this calculation to apply? > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per > > > > say) > > > > > > but what happens is > > > > > > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if > > > > Ju is > > > > > > also SD to 9th > > > > > > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the > > > > delay > > > > > > due to Jupiter itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If > > > > the > > > > > > natural guru of > > > > > > the chart itself is involved in causing the > > > > delay > > > > > > and at the same time > > > > > > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > > > > > > giving the blessing > > > > > > then in that case, a powerful blessing might > > > > remove > > > > > > the delay of Sa > > > > > > but it can't remove its own. > > > > > > > > > > > > Example. > > > > > > > > > > > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved > > > > by > > > > > > her father and > > > > > > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > > > > > > might be the reason > > > > > > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to > > > > her > > > > > > fathers blessing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > > > > > > I could not participate this discussion > > > > due to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > busy schedule. > > > > > > > > However I had gone through the messages > > > > posted > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > you all. > > > > > > > > In this context I would like to > > > > congratulate > > > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > for the correct approach. > > > > > > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of > > > > this > > > > > > > > native. > > > > > > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > > > > > > Since the asc falls in border line I > > > > analysed > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq > > > > but > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > not find the convincing results for > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > > > > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > > > > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > > > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. > > > > But > > > > > > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > > > > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 > > > > Apr > > > > > > 98. > > > > > > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > > > > > > In fact marriage took place during same > > > > period > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the > > > > delay > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > be nullified. > > > > > > > > When you consider the nullification of > > > > delay > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > > > > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > > > > > > caused > > > > > > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju > > > > also, so > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes > > > > its > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > rounds of the chart. > > > > > > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during > > > > this > > > > > > > > time native was passing through Sa main and > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > antar. > > > > > > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house > > > > can > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > give the event. > > > > > > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > > > > > > strong in > > > > > > > > WS could have given its result in the third > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > But it did not happen. > > > > > > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > > > > > > Reasons > > > > > > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > > > > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. > > > > Me > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > > > > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve > > > > is > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > > > > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the > > > > aspect > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close > > > > to > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > another degreewise. > > > > > > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > > > > > > lagna,Su > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > > > with Mail for Mobile. Get started. > > > http://mobile./mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > surfing. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Yes, you are right. In hurry I typed wrong. Ra is SD to Me and Ma. Thanks for pointing that out. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash , Anup and all, > I think this person may get married in Ra antara between the period 7 May 2009 and 19 Apr 2010. Ra is SD to Me (LoE ). > I could not understand how Ash is telling Ra SD to Su ? May be typo or overlooking. > This person will not marry this girl. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Yes,You are right Ash. > I cld get only this much from the native and he wrote........ > > " I like a girl, but finding it difficult to convince her for marraige. > I like her since 5 years now. When i can marry her " ? > > As you wrote even i feel that he might had two strong relationships in > Mercury and Venus antras. > Venus itself spoiled to this extent and its samdharmi Mars is with 6th lord in Sun navamsa. > So Mars cldnot even give marriage i think. > Saturn opposes Venus being in 4:10 relation. > This might not be the only reason for not giving marriage by Venus. > Venus properties are spoiled, hence incapable to function, though strong in all the houses. > I will also give feedback about your last words about putting on weight. > > Can Mars antra give the marriage? > I expect group memebers to analyse this for an exercise purpose. > > Thanxsand Regards > Anup > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Anup, > > Here Venus is spoilt its distance to sun is 45.7 deg and its asp by > Saturn and Saturn aspects moon a luminiary in navasma. At the same > time this Venus is in neecha sign in navamsa and also Mo is with Ketu. > > DBCE points from Su and Mo are in rising trend. > > 1st lord is in 12th, 12th lord is in 11th, 11th lord is in 10th. > > So 1st, 12th and 11th lords are loosing status. Yes, 12th lord in > 11th means 11th house results are enhanced but at same time 12th house > is loosing status. > > 4 planets are powerful for 7th house Mo, Ma, Me, and Ve. Mo is SD to > 6th lord, Ma is with Ju, Me and is with Ju and Venus's status is > spoilt status and add to it Mars is with Venus as well. Ketu is SD to > Ju and Ra is SD to Su and Ma out of which sun is weak for 7th. > > This person will have atleast two very strong relationships from early > age. In Venus antra also he might have been in an intense > relationship. In Venus antra also Saturn was transiting 0 points in > 12th house. So he might have faced some problems as well. > > This person also might have a tendency to put on weight quickly. > > In any way, he might have strong relationships which might not have > materialized and hence the delay. > > If you can find out it might be good. In Ve antra he might have > relations. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " Anup. M " > <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Many thanxs for taking your spare time for explanation.I am sorry > i cld not furnish deatail as required.Actually, while going thru many > charts , sometimes one can stuck for a easy step like i did. > > > > Here is the detail > > DOB 18thJune1977 > > TOB 08.15am > > Lat 18N58 Long 72E50 -05.30 IST > > Asc is 3CN15 > > > > Lagna is on border. > > Ther native is still unmarried. > > > > I will go for Asc3CN15 due to following events. > > But i have only this info as far as i cld get. > > commerce graduate completed in the year 1998. > > Joined fathers pharma business in 1999-2000. Thats the the time > his father seperated from his elder brother from partnership and the > native joined him.The native has taken lots of loans then, which they > are still repaying. > > That i am not seeing in summary charts since 2001 onwards from > 11th v/s12th house.. > > > > So in this context i asked you the the only reasoning ,Why Venus > antra cldnt give marriage in 2001-2004?. > > Whenever i am confused, i think more and more. > > And many thoughts crept in mind, though. > > But need your advise always:) > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Anup, > > I am unable to say much as u havent given full data except general > > approach. > > > > I dont knwo which house, what is lagna, degree of venus and other > > planets, their navamsa position, SDs etc. > > > > I will try to give the approach but take it as a general approach. > > > > Sa and Ve are NSD so that is one point. > > > > Now Ve is with Mars and status of Venus i do not know, which sign it > > is and which nakshatra. > > > > Saturn is in 4th place from this Venus with 2 bindus so it means that > > Saturn on one had will oppose and at the same time will also give > > power to Venus. > > > > Now i don't know if Ve and Sa are in 1:7 in navamsa otherwise they > > will cease to act as NSD, but lets take they are not in 1:7. > > > > So here Saturn will make venus powerful for all houses by giving it +6 > > points. > > > > Now, Ve is with Mars and aspected by Saturn, now i also do not know if > > any of of the planets involved are 6th lord and their powers in 5th > > and 12th house as well as 7th. > > > > Now, a lot will also depend on the WS and the status of the planets. > > > > So if say Venus is spoilt and its with Ma and aspected by Saturn then > > it will means something. If Ve is karak and root karak then also it > > means something when its spoilt. > > > > Lagna points, intellegence etc all things must be read to get a proper > > idea of the person. > > > > If Venus is good power then it will give, in Saturn antra also person > > might get but with opposition based on lagna on what Sa represents. > > It might give temporary or if 6th lord is involved then it might give > > relations based on 5th and 12th points. Also a lot will matter if > > there is any planet in 7th from venus.. > > > > etc etc... > > > > So its very hard to explain all this without proper chart. But take > > this and check, if there was relation as such a venus antra might give > > relation but how strong or weak and in Saturn antra one might face > > opposition but again all will depend on the WS powers of planets. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " Anup. M " > > <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Plz clear the confusion though i am getting this. > > > > > > Venus with 4points in the 10th place from Satrun having 2 points > > and obviously Saturn will oppose Venus, no doubt during Venus antra. > > > Now if Venus is LoD for 7th house conjoin Mars very closely(diff > > of only 2 Deg appr) , i notice that Saturn even didnt allow Venus to > > give marriage event though Venus is LoD for 7thhaving 25 points and > > Mars is strongest in 5th house having 26 points, and LoE in 12th house. > > > Can Saturn opposition may deny the event in such antra like venus > > and its samdharmi ,in the above case? > > > > > > Regards > > > Anup > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > In some post Krushanji has written about this as well about Moon and > > > why it can't control. > > > > > > I think the reason was that Moon is a very gentle planet and it by no > > > means can boss over any planet due to that factor even if its with > > > less than 4 bindus. > > > > > > However, if someone can dig up that mail from the archives we can > > > confirm it. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > Moon can not control , but can he be controlled. What > > > > if moon is in 4th from saturn, will saturn get points > > > > from moon ? > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > oops I forgot one more point. > > > > > > > > > > It is not necessary to have 4:10 in kendra from > > > > > lagna only. > > > > > > > > > > So if a planet say Mars is in 11th house with 3 > > > > > bindus and say if Ju > > > > > is in 2nd house with 5 bindus then also there is > > > > > 4:10 and points and > > > > > Mars will control Ju. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, Ju will add its points to Mars for all > > > > > 12 houses. But > > > > > careful for Libra and Cancer lagna where Ju is 6th > > > > > lord in that case, > > > > > then thats a different story. > > > > > > > > > > So 4:10 can exist in any house and not necessarily > > > > > only in kendras > > > > > from lagna. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was going through lesson 7 on the points > > > > > > calculation. I noticed that the 4-10 relationship > > > > > was > > > > > > taken for Ju and Saturn/Sun/Mercury, Ju is in > > > > > lagna > > > > > > and sun/etc in the 10th house. However I do not > > > > > see > > > > > > moon and venus being taken for this 4-10 point > > > > > > calculation although they are in 4-10 relationship > > > > > > from 6th and 9th houses. Any reason for this? Or > > > > > do > > > > > > the planets have to be in actual kendra position > > > > > for > > > > > > this calculation to apply? > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, in some cases (not in this one per > > > > > say) > > > > > > > but what happens is > > > > > > > that if there is delay due to Sa and Ju and if > > > > > Ju is > > > > > > > also SD to 9th > > > > > > > lord then sometimes it might not reduce the > > > > > delay > > > > > > > due to Jupiter itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju itself is natural 9th lord of the chart. If > > > > > the > > > > > > > natural guru of > > > > > > > the chart itself is involved in causing the > > > > > delay > > > > > > > and at the same time > > > > > > > its SD to 9th lord the house thats involved in > > > > > > > giving the blessing > > > > > > > then in that case, a powerful blessing might > > > > > remove > > > > > > > the delay of Sa > > > > > > > but it can't remove its own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say its a girls chart and the daughter is loved > > > > > by > > > > > > > her father and > > > > > > > gives her the freedom to study further. So that > > > > > > > might be the reason > > > > > > > for delay in marriage as she is studying due to > > > > > her > > > > > > > fathers blessing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would blessing only nullify Saturn delay > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > Jupiter delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, Anup, Tom and all, > > > > > > > > > I could not participate this discussion > > > > > due to > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > busy schedule. > > > > > > > > > However I had gone through the messages > > > > > posted > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > you all. > > > > > > > > > In this context I would like to > > > > > congratulate > > > > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > for the correct approach. > > > > > > > > > Now seriously I checked up the chart of > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > native. > > > > > > > > > As Tom declared that the marriage of this > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > took place on 14 Feb 98. > > > > > > > > > Since the asc falls in border line I > > > > > analysed > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart taking both the lagnas as Cp and Aq > > > > > but > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > not find the convincing results for > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > Here is my reasoning. > > > > > > > > > 1.When the lagna is Cp. > > > > > > > > > There is full delay by Sa and Ju both. > > > > > > > > > Ju aspects Sa causing moderation of delay. > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > this moderation goes waste because Ju itself > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the nak. ruled by Sa. > > > > > > > > > Therefore the cumulative delay ends on 11 > > > > > Apr > > > > > > > 98. > > > > > > > > > The period falls in Sa main and Ra antara > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > sector.So Ra should not give marriage. > > > > > > > > > In fact marriage took place during same > > > > > period > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > Blessings are presen in navamsa so the > > > > > delay > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > be nullified. > > > > > > > > > When you consider the nullification of > > > > > delay > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > marriageable age falls after 24 yrs. > > > > > > > > > Here I consider the nullification of delay > > > > > > > caused > > > > > > > > > by Sa only.Since the delay is due to Ju > > > > > also, so > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > marriage should take place when Ju completes > > > > > its > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > rounds of the chart. > > > > > > > > > Ju enters Sc rasi on 08 Nov 94 and during > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > time native was passing through Sa main and > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > antar. > > > > > > > > > Mo being strongly positioned in 2nd house > > > > > can > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > give the event. > > > > > > > > > The following antara of Ma being LoD and > > > > > > > strong in > > > > > > > > > WS could have given its result in the third > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > But it did not happen. > > > > > > > > > It means there is some delay in the event. > > > > > > > Reasons > > > > > > > > > may be due to quality of relationship . > > > > > > > > > Me is here 6th lord and occupy 4th house. > > > > > Me > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > with Ve the NK of marriage. > > > > > > > > > Thereby Me spoils the 4th house and Nk. Ve > > > > > is > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > spoiled by the aspect of Ma. > > > > > > > > > Both the luminaries are affected by the > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > > > Me (6th lord) and Ve (NK) are very close > > > > > to > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > another degreewise. > > > > > > > > > The relationship between 7th lord from > > > > > > > lagna,Su > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > > > > with Mail for Mobile. Get started. > > > > http://mobile./mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > > surfing. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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