Guest guest Posted June 30, 2007 Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 Dear Group, I wrote another post to elucidate. It might be useful to members learning KAS so posting it here as well. Hope it helps, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca -- Dear Krishna, I thought thats what I tried to do, in any case, let me try to answer with my little knowledge on what I have learnt so far. Reply below your questions in CAPS. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Kolachina ji, > > It was interesting to read your comments on importance of the > Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa chart is > as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience so > far reading charts. However, I have still not understood what > are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so > important. > > - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall > strength of a planet? ASH : DETERMINATION OF STRENGTH IS FROM RASI FOR TIMING OF EVENT USING ASHTAKAVARGA, BUT IF U ARE USING SIGN PLACEMENT AS DETERMINANT OF PLANETARY STRENGTH THEN FOR THAT I CANNOT COMMENT AS I PERSONALLY GET THE POWER OF PLANETS I.E. COMBINED POWER USING ASHTAKAVARGA BUT USE THE SIGN PLACEMENT TO SEE THE QUALITY AND NOT FOR TIMING. NOW, NAVAMSA IS IMPORTANT AS IT GIVES THE SAMDHARMI SO SAY IF A PLANET IS UNABLE TO GIVE RESULT, THEN THE NAVAMSA DEPOSITER OR WHAT WE CALL ONE OF THE SAMDHARMI CAN STEP IN AND PROXY FOR THE MAIN SIGNIFICATOR. SO NAVAMSA BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT TO FIND THE PLANETARY SAMDHARMI. JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, SAY JUPITER IS FROM 6DEG40 TO 10 DEG IN ARIES THEN IT WOULD BECOME SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY AS IT WOULD BE IN GEMINI IN NAVAMSA. SO FOR SOME CASES, DEPENDING ON STRENGTH OF JUPITER IN RASI IF ITS UNABLE TO GIVE THE TIMING DUE TO SAY ITS ANTRA BEING FAR AWAY, THEN IF MERCURY ANTA COMES BEFORE JUPITER AND IF MERCURY HAS ENOUGH POWER THEN IT CAN STEP IN FOR JUPITER AND FURNISH THE TIMING OF EVENT. SO THAT WAY THERE IS A LINK FORMED AND THAT IS VERY SPCIAL AND THAT U CAN GET ONLY FROM NAVAMSA AND NO OTHER D CHART. > - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like > aspects in a Rasi chart? ASH : HERE FROM WHAT I HAVE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT ASPECTS ARE TO BE SEEN IN NAVAMSA BUT THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE AS WELL. SAY SA AND VE ARE NATURAL SAMDHARMIS BUT IF THEY ARE GOING IN 1:7 THEN THEY HAVE ENIMITY AND THEY CEASE TO ACT AS NATURAL SAMDHARMIS. SO HERE ASPECT OF 1:7 IS TAKEN AS ENMITY. ALSO ASPECTS WHEN SEEN IN NAVAMSA IS ON HOUSE ONLY. LET ME TRY TO NARRATE THIS WITH AN EXAMPLE. TAKE CANCER LAGNA AND SATURN IN 2ND HOUSE. SO IN RASI IF THIS IS THE COMBINATION THEN THERE WILL BE FULL DELAY FOR 7TH HOUSE OR SAY MARRIAGE. AS SATURN WILL BE IN 2ND WILL ASPECT 11TH AND OWNS 7TH HOUSE. NOW TAKE THE SAME CASE FOR IF CANCER NAVAMSA WAS RISING AND SA IS IN 2ND HOUSE THEN IN THAT CASE, SA IS IN 2ND HOUSE, ASPECTS 11TH HOUSE AND OWNS 7TH HOUSE BUT HERE THERE CAN'T BE DELAY AS SATURN IS NOT ASPECTING ALL 3 HOUSES. IT OWNS 7TH HOUSE IN NAVAMSA BUT THAT CAN'T BE TAKEN AS IT MUST ASPECT 3 HOUSES. SO LORD OF HOUSE OF NAVAMSA CAN'T BE TAKEN, BUT THAT IS TO BE TAKEN FROM RASI. SO SAY IF SATURN WERE TO ASPECT 2ND LORD, 11TH LORD AND 7TH LORD OF RASI IN NAVAMSA THEN THERE WOULD BE FULL DELAY. I THINK THIS IS VERY KEY PART AND THIS IS SEEN AND STUDIED IN MANY CHARTS AND CAN BE EASILY VERIFIED. SO ONLY WAY SATURN CAN CAUSE DELAY IS IF SATURN WERE IN 5TH HOUSE IN NAVAMSA ONLY. AS IT WOULD THEN ASPECT 2ND 11TH AND 7TH HOUSE. ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT ASPECTS, THE POWER IF U ARE FINING IN NAVAMSA, IS BASED THEN ONLY BASIC POWER MEANS WE WILL NOT CONSIDER 4:10 OR ASPECTS POWER TRANSFER IN NAVAMSA THAT IS ONLY DONE IN RASI BUT NOT IN NAVAMSA. SO WE DO NOT TAKE ASPECTS FOR POWER IN NAVAMSA BUT ONLY THE BASIC STRENGTH. SO ASPECTS ARE TO BE TAKEN IN NAVAMSA BUT IN KAS WE DO SEPARATE OR SAY DISTINGUISH FOR WHAT PURPOSE. NAVAMSA AS IN INDIVIDUAL CHART IF STUDIED AND THE POWER FOR ALL 12 HOUSES AND OF 7TH PLANETS IN NAVAMSA - MEANS STUDYING NAVAMSA AS A D-CHART THEN IN THAT CASE WE TAKE ONLY BASIC STRENGTH FROM SAV OF NAVAMSA ONLY. > - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as if > the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart? > - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well? ASH : YOGAS, OR SAY SARVASHTAKAVARGA IS CASTED IN ALL D CHARTS SO IT MEANS THAT PLANETS RELATION W.R.T EACH OTHER OR YOGAS ARE CONSIDERED AND THAT POWER I.E. WHEN WE FIND THE BASIC STRENGTH THEN THAT GIVES THE POWER OF 7 PLANETS IN 12 HOUSES IN NAVAMSA ONLY, SO HERE IT NAVAMSA IS A D-CHART AND LIKE ALL D-CHART WHEN FINDING POWER U ONLY CHECK THE BASIC STRENGTH AND NO ASPECTS OR 4:10 ARE CONSIDERED FOR D-CHART AND NAVAMSA AS WELL WHICH IS ALSO A D-CHART. > > By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart, it > appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two equal > halves representing the native. ASH : WITHOUT NAVAMSA, U CAN'T FIND THE SAMDHARMI'S IN A WAY, AND IT WOULD ALSO BECOME INCOMPLETE TO FIND THE TIMING OF EVENT AS U ALSO CHECK THE ASPECTS OF THE LORDS OF RASI IN NAVAMSA AS WELL. SAY JUPITER IS ASPECTING 2ND HOUSE IN RASI AND THE LORD OF 7TH HOUSE OF RASI IN NAVAMSA THEN ALSO IT CAN GIVE DELAY FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS. SO WITHOUT NAVAMSA, U WILL ONLY HAVE TO DO ALL THIS MATH BASED ON DEGREE'S OF RASI, BUT NAVAMSA GIVES US A GOOD CHART TO SEE ALL THIS CLEARLY AS A CHART AS WELL. > > I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What I > would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance? What > are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many varga > charts! ASH : YES, I TRIED TO GIVE THE REASONS AS PER MY UNDERSTANDING OF KAS. NAVAMSA IS A VARGA, BUT AN IMPORTANT VARGA AS WITHOUT THAT TIMING OF EVENTS, SAMDHARMIS, BLESSINGS ETC CAN BE FOUND. I DONT KNOW IF I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS BUT I HAVE TRIED. THANKS. > > Regards, > Krishna , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Group, > I had posted this mail on another list. Am posting it here as well so > that the group members can also understand it > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > -------------------------------- > > Dear Krishna, > > If I am add my thoughts, in KAS also we give equal importance to Rasi > and Navamsa, but there is some difference. > > We get samdharmi's from Navamsa, we also find the procession using > 10th lords from lagna sun mo and see where they are placed in navamsa. > We also check say if Ve and Sa or Ma and Mo or Su and Mo are in 1:7 > in navamsa then they cease to become Samdharmis. > Also in addition we check blessings so if navamsa lagna and 9th lords > are in 5:9 or if lagna lord and lagna 9th lord are in 5:9 in navamsa > we say that there is blessing so here navamsa has its importance. > > However for timing of events, the power of planets are from Rasi. > When navamsa is used then in that we do not check the ashtakavarga > power using 4:10 or aspects, so that is for finding the power in any > of the varga but we only take the basic power i.e. the addition of > power of the house that u are seeing the 5th from that and 8th from > that and add that as the Basic power of the house. > > So equal importance is given in that sense, but for timing of events > we check the power, 4:10, power gained or lost due to aspects on house > and lords etc only from Rasi. > > For samdharmis calculations we use navamsa for example if 2 planets > are in 5:9 in rasi in exact they will come together in navamsa so they > will become samdharmi. > > Planets become Samdharmi to their navamsa lords they are placed in. > > Planets when they conjoin in navamsa they become samdharmi however of > a weaker grade as compared to navamsa depositer so things like that. > In short we find the samdharmi's from rasi and navamsa. > > That is not done using any other d-chart. So we say that Navamsa has > equal importance to Rasi. > > So in summary > > 1) For total power for timing of event is Rasi (there 4:10, aspects > are used) > 2) For finding samdharmi (Rasi and Navamsa are both used) > 3) For finding blessing both rasi and navamsa are used > 4) For finding power in Navamsa then only basic strength is used i.e. > A+B+C points but no power gained due to aspects or 4:10 and that is > the same we use for all D-charts. > 5) For timing of events also navamsa place a role, say Sa in 5th house > would delay marriage so here we are only using House in navamsa but > not the lords of house in navamsa. So this is a special case as > Saturn will aspect the house A, B and C of the 3rd house from where > its placed. So here there is a difference where the lords of the > house in navamsa are not used. > 6) No other d chart is used to find Samdharmi so in that way Navamsa > has equal importance as Rasi. > 7) Another differnce is that panets do not become SD to the rasi lord > where they are placed, but they do become SD to the navamsa lord they > are placed in so again Navamsa is having its importance. > > > This is as per the view point of KAS System and hope that it helps in > the discussion. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kolachina ji, > > > > It was interesting to read your comments on importance of the > > Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa chart is > > as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience so > > far reading charts. However, I have still not understood what > > are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so > > important. > > > > - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall > > strength of a planet? > > - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like > > aspects in a Rasi chart? > > - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as if > > the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart? > > - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well? > > > > By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart, it > > appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two equal > > halves representing the native. > > > > I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What I > > would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance? What > > are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many varga > > charts! > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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