Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear all, I would like to draw your attention on the chain of messages # 519 and 523. The birth data is DOB 13 Aug 1936, tob 07:54 AM with DST ( corrected time by Krushna ji 06:54 AM ), POB is Bridlington , England 54 N 6, 000 W 12 TZ -01:00 Hrs. When I cast the chart with 07:54 AM without considering DST, our Asc matches with that of Krushna Ji. But he said he has corrected the birth time for one hour which is 06:54 AM, in this case the scenario is totally different. Therefore I am confused. I therefore seek your guidance for casting the chart. For this you may refer to his msg # 519 and please advise me which birth time is correct. This chain of discussion is very important and Ash also participated in the discussion. For the evaluation of events I am very much confused. The deg of Mo and Ra also does not tally so navamsa also. Owing to diff. in Mo longitudes, there is diff. in the period of antara. I hope our esteemed members whenever they are in leisure may check it up and post their deg. of Asc and all planets. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Even i am confused and taking time as 06.54AM with GMT+1.00 no DST, i got Asc as given by krushnaji .But Rahu and ketu comes with 8Sg55.You may try this also. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear all, I would like to draw your attention on the chain of messages # 519 and 523. The birth data is DOB 13 Aug 1936, tob 07:54 AM with DST ( corrected time by Krushna ji 06:54 AM ), POB is Bridlington , England 54 N 6, 000 W 12 TZ -01:00 Hrs. When I cast the chart with 07:54 AM without considering DST, our Asc matches with that of Krushna Ji. But he said he has corrected the birth time for one hour which is 06:54 AM, in this case the scenario is totally different. Therefore I am confused. I therefore seek your guidance for casting the chart. For this you may refer to his msg # 519 and please advise me which birth time is correct. This chain of discussion is very important and Ash also participated in the discussion. For the evaluation of events I am very much confused. The deg of Mo and Ra also does not tally so navamsa also. Owing to diff. in Mo longitudes, there is diff. in the period of antara. I hope our esteemed members whenever they are in leisure may check it up and post their deg. of Asc and all planets. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Not sure if I have understood this properly, but if it's what I think it is - For UK times that have DST (or other corrections like 1 hour wartime, etc) - there is often a problem when the Co-ordinates are WEST of Greenwich - as the added 1 hour timezone is considered " East " of Greenwich. The way to solve this if the Astro program used does not auto-correct such cases is - Enter the time directly - e.g. enter it as 06:54 with NO DST - and do not enter 07:54 with 1 hour DST. If needs be I can double-check this using GJ software, and/or other softwares. But first I want to know if I have understood your issues correctly - so will wait to hear from you. Sateesh. ======== - Anup. M Monday, July 09, 2007 1:32 PM Re: Re:From Archives Dear Ramesh, Even i am confused and taking time as 06.54AM with GMT+1.00 no DST, i got Asc as given by krushnaji .But Rahu and ketu comes with 8Sg55.You may try this also. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear all, I would like to draw your attention on the chain of messages # 519 and 523. The birth data is DOB 13 Aug 1936, tob 07:54 AM with DST ( corrected time by Krushna ji 06:54 AM ), POB is Bridlington , England 54 N 6, 000 W 12 TZ -01:00 Hrs. When I cast the chart with 07:54 AM without considering DST, our Asc matches with that of Krushna Ji. But he said he has corrected the birth time for one hour which is 06:54 AM, in this case the scenario is totally different. Therefore I am confused. I therefore seek your guidance for casting the chart. For this you may refer to his msg # 519 and please advise me which birth time is correct. This chain of discussion is very important and Ash also participated in the discussion. For the evaluation of events I am very much confused. The deg of Mo and Ra also does not tally so navamsa also. Owing to diff. in Mo longitudes, there is diff. in the period of antara. I hope our esteemed members whenever they are in leisure may check it up and post their deg. of Asc and all planets. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Recent Activity a.. 6New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Instant smiles Share photos while you IM friends. Mail You're invited! Try the all-new Mail Beta .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Ignore the below - it was normal DST on at that year in UK (not war-time or European-time or anything like that) I used Jyotish Tools, using both 07:54 a.m. (with 1 hour DST) - and also with 06:54 (with no DST). Here is what I got with BOTH the above methods of entering time - Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 20:48 Leo P.Phalguni Ve Sun 28:15 Can +00:57:38 WK Aslesha Me Moon 11:51 Gem +13:23:21 FM Ardra Ra Mars 09:47 Can +00:38:43 WK Pushya Sa Merc 16:59 Leo +01:37:58 WK P.Phalguni Ve Jupt 22:31 Sco +00:00:18 WK Jyeshtha Me Ven 10:38 Leo +01:14:00 WK Magha Ke Sat R 29:10 Aqu -00:03:34 WK P.Bhadra Ju Rahu 08:55 Sag -00:03:10 FM Mula Ke Ketu 08:55 Gem -00:03:10 FM Ardra Ra However, it appears in Krushna's original mail he used TRUE Nodes - that is why the Error - as per above (and in Anup's message below), it should be (using MEAN Nodes) 08*55 Here is part of Krushna's original message - he has written Nodes as 10*32 degrees - which is what it comes to if you use TRUE Nodes. /message/519?threaded=1 & l=\ 1 As : 04:20:48 (Leo) Sun: 03:28:15 (cancer) Moon: 02:11:51 (Gemini) Mars: 03:09:47 (Cancer) Mercury: 04:16:59 (Leo) Jupiter: 07:22:31 (Scorpio) Venus: 04:10:38 (Leo) Saturn: 10:29:09® (Aquarius) True Nodes Rahu 08:10:32 ( Sagi) Represents Jupiter and Ketu (mercury) Ketu :02:10:32 (Gem) represents Mercury and Rahu (Jupiter) Change the Nodes to MEAN, and you get Anup's correct calculation of 8*55 for each Node. Sateesh. ======== - Sateesh Batas Monday, July 09, 2007 2:24 PM Re: Re:From Archives Not sure if I have understood this properly, but if it's what I think it is - For UK times that have DST (or other corrections like 1 hour wartime, etc) - there is often a problem when the Co-ordinates are WEST of Greenwich - as the added 1 hour timezone is considered " East " of Greenwich. The way to solve this if the Astro program used does not auto-correct such cases is - Enter the time directly - e.g. enter it as 06:54 with NO DST - and do not enter 07:54 with 1 hour DST. If needs be I can double-check this using GJ software, and/or other softwares. But first I want to know if I have understood your issues correctly - so will wait to hear from you. Sateesh. ======== - Anup. M Monday, July 09, 2007 1:32 PM Re: Re:From Archives Dear Ramesh, Even i am confused and taking time as 06.54AM with GMT+1.00 no DST, i got Asc as given by krushnaji .But Rahu and ketu comes with 8Sg55.You may try this also. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear all, I would like to draw your attention on the chain of messages # 519 and 523. The birth data is DOB 13 Aug 1936, tob 07:54 AM with DST ( corrected time by Krushna ji 06:54 AM ), POB is Bridlington , England 54 N 6, 000 W 12 TZ -01:00 Hrs. When I cast the chart with 07:54 AM without considering DST, our Asc matches with that of Krushna Ji. But he said he has corrected the birth time for one hour which is 06:54 AM, in this case the scenario is totally different. Therefore I am confused. I therefore seek your guidance for casting the chart. For this you may refer to his msg # 519 and please advise me which birth time is correct. This chain of discussion is very important and Ash also participated in the discussion. For the evaluation of events I am very much confused. The deg of Mo and Ra also does not tally so navamsa also. Owing to diff. in Mo longitudes, there is diff. in the period of antara. I hope our esteemed members whenever they are in leisure may check it up and post their deg. of Asc and all planets. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Recent Activity a.. 6New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Instant smiles Share photos while you IM friends. Mail You're invited! Try the all-new Mail Beta .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 P.S. In fact in the original mail, whatever program Krushna exported the text from actually says " True Nodes " - see the lines below (I add *** *** markers to indicate where it says that in the original mail). Therefore, it seems there was on oversight, i.e. that he meant to use MEAN, but used TRUE. Anup's calc of 8*55 is with MEAN Node - and it's (around) 10*32 if you use TRUE Node. +++++++++ As : 04:20:48 (Leo) Sun: 03:28:15 (cancer) Moon: 02:11:51 (Gemini) Mars: 03:09:47 (Cancer) Mercury: 04:16:59 (Leo) Jupiter: 07:22:31 (Scorpio) Venus: 04:10:38 (Leo) Saturn: 10:29:09® (Aquarius) ***True Nodes*** Rahu 08:10:32 ( Sagi) Represents Jupiter and Ketu (mercury) Ketu :02:10:32 (Gem) represents Mercury and Rahu (Jupiter) - Sateesh Batas Monday, July 09, 2007 2:47 PM Re: Re:From Archives Ignore the below - it was normal DST on at that year in UK (not war-time or European-time or anything like that) I used Jyotish Tools, using both 07:54 a.m. (with 1 hour DST) - and also with 06:54 (with no DST). Here is what I got with BOTH the above methods of entering time - Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 20:48 Leo P.Phalguni Ve Sun 28:15 Can +00:57:38 WK Aslesha Me Moon 11:51 Gem +13:23:21 FM Ardra Ra Mars 09:47 Can +00:38:43 WK Pushya Sa Merc 16:59 Leo +01:37:58 WK P.Phalguni Ve Jupt 22:31 Sco +00:00:18 WK Jyeshtha Me Ven 10:38 Leo +01:14:00 WK Magha Ke Sat R 29:10 Aqu -00:03:34 WK P.Bhadra Ju Rahu 08:55 Sag -00:03:10 FM Mula Ke Ketu 08:55 Gem -00:03:10 FM Ardra Ra However, it appears in Krushna's original mail he used TRUE Nodes - that is why the Error - as per above (and in Anup's message below), it should be (using MEAN Nodes) 08*55 Here is part of Krushna's original message - he has written Nodes as 10*32 degrees - which is what it comes to if you use TRUE Nodes. /message/519?threaded=1 & l=\ 1 As : 04:20:48 (Leo) Sun: 03:28:15 (cancer) Moon: 02:11:51 (Gemini) Mars: 03:09:47 (Cancer) Mercury: 04:16:59 (Leo) Jupiter: 07:22:31 (Scorpio) Venus: 04:10:38 (Leo) Saturn: 10:29:09® (Aquarius) True Nodes Rahu 08:10:32 ( Sagi) Represents Jupiter and Ketu (mercury) Ketu :02:10:32 (Gem) represents Mercury and Rahu (Jupiter) Change the Nodes to MEAN, and you get Anup's correct calculation of 8*55 for each Node. Sateesh. ======== - Sateesh Batas Monday, July 09, 2007 2:24 PM Re: Re:From Archives Not sure if I have understood this properly, but if it's what I think it is - For UK times that have DST (or other corrections like 1 hour wartime, etc) - there is often a problem when the Co-ordinates are WEST of Greenwich - as the added 1 hour timezone is considered " East " of Greenwich. The way to solve this if the Astro program used does not auto-correct such cases is - Enter the time directly - e.g. enter it as 06:54 with NO DST - and do not enter 07:54 with 1 hour DST. If needs be I can double-check this using GJ software, and/or other softwares. But first I want to know if I have understood your issues correctly - so will wait to hear from you. Sateesh. ======== - Anup. M Monday, July 09, 2007 1:32 PM Re: Re:From Archives Dear Ramesh, Even i am confused and taking time as 06.54AM with GMT+1.00 no DST, i got Asc as given by krushnaji .But Rahu and ketu comes with 8Sg55.You may try this also. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear all, I would like to draw your attention on the chain of messages # 519 and 523. The birth data is DOB 13 Aug 1936, tob 07:54 AM with DST ( corrected time by Krushna ji 06:54 AM ), POB is Bridlington , England 54 N 6, 000 W 12 TZ -01:00 Hrs. When I cast the chart with 07:54 AM without considering DST, our Asc matches with that of Krushna Ji. But he said he has corrected the birth time for one hour which is 06:54 AM, in this case the scenario is totally different. Therefore I am confused. I therefore seek your guidance for casting the chart. For this you may refer to his msg # 519 and please advise me which birth time is correct. This chain of discussion is very important and Ash also participated in the discussion. For the evaluation of events I am very much confused. The deg of Mo and Ra also does not tally so navamsa also. Owing to diff. in Mo longitudes, there is diff. in the period of antara. I hope our esteemed members whenever they are in leisure may check it up and post their deg. of Asc and all planets. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Recent Activity a.. 6New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Instant smiles Share photos while you IM friends. Mail You're invited! Try the all-new Mail Beta .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Anup, Not sure why you are taking 06:54 a.m. with GMT + 1 hour. It should be - either 06:54 a.m. with NO hours added on. Or - 07:54 a.m. INCLUDING 1 hour DST. Which is also what Krushna correctly stated - here he said - /message/519?threaded=1 & l=\ 1 >>> I have fixed the birth time as 06:54 am ( if considering day time saving it should be 07:54) <<< So take 06:54 with NO DST - or take 07:54 with 1 hour DST. Sateesh. ======== - Anup. M Monday, July 09, 2007 1:32 PM Re: Re:From Archives Dear Ramesh, Even i am confused and taking time as 06.54AM with GMT+1.00 no DST, i got Asc as given by krushnaji .But Rahu and ketu comes with 8Sg55.You may try this also. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear all, I would like to draw your attention on the chain of messages # 519 and 523. The birth data is DOB 13 Aug 1936, tob 07:54 AM with DST ( corrected time by Krushna ji 06:54 AM ), POB is Bridlington , England 54 N 6, 000 W 12 TZ -01:00 Hrs. When I cast the chart with 07:54 AM without considering DST, our Asc matches with that of Krushna Ji. But he said he has corrected the birth time for one hour which is 06:54 AM, in this case the scenario is totally different. Therefore I am confused. I therefore seek your guidance for casting the chart. For this you may refer to his msg # 519 and please advise me which birth time is correct. This chain of discussion is very important and Ash also participated in the discussion. For the evaluation of events I am very much confused. The deg of Mo and Ra also does not tally so navamsa also. Owing to diff. in Mo longitudes, there is diff. in the period of antara. I hope our esteemed members whenever they are in leisure may check it up and post their deg. of Asc and all planets. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Recent Activity a.. 6New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Instant smiles Share photos while you IM friends. Mail You're invited! Try the all-new Mail Beta .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I just used the latest KAS Worksheet also - and it gives the same results as Jyotish Tools - using either 06:54 with NO DST - or using 07:54 with 1 Hour DST (called BST in the Worksheet). ======== - Sateesh Batas Monday, July 09, 2007 3:08 PM Re: Re:From Archives Dear Anup, Not sure why you are taking 06:54 a.m. with GMT + 1 hour. It should be - either 06:54 a.m. with NO hours added on. Or - 07:54 a.m. INCLUDING 1 hour DST. Which is also what Krushna correctly stated - here he said - /message/519?threaded=1 & l=\ 1 >>> I have fixed the birth time as 06:54 am ( if considering day time saving it should be 07:54) <<< So take 06:54 with NO DST - or take 07:54 with 1 hour DST. Sateesh. ======== - Anup. M Monday, July 09, 2007 1:32 PM Re: Re:From Archives Dear Ramesh, Even i am confused and taking time as 06.54AM with GMT+1.00 no DST, i got Asc as given by krushnaji .But Rahu and ketu comes with 8Sg55.You may try this also. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear all, I would like to draw your attention on the chain of messages # 519 and 523. The birth data is DOB 13 Aug 1936, tob 07:54 AM with DST ( corrected time by Krushna ji 06:54 AM ), POB is Bridlington , England 54 N 6, 000 W 12 TZ -01:00 Hrs. When I cast the chart with 07:54 AM without considering DST, our Asc matches with that of Krushna Ji. But he said he has corrected the birth time for one hour which is 06:54 AM, in this case the scenario is totally different. Therefore I am confused. I therefore seek your guidance for casting the chart. For this you may refer to his msg # 519 and please advise me which birth time is correct. This chain of discussion is very important and Ash also participated in the discussion. For the evaluation of events I am very much confused. The deg of Mo and Ra also does not tally so navamsa also. Owing to diff. in Mo longitudes, there is diff. in the period of antara. I hope our esteemed members whenever they are in leisure may check it up and post their deg. of Asc and all planets. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Recent Activity a.. 6New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Instant smiles Share photos while you IM friends. Mail You're invited! Try the all-new Mail Beta .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Satessh, It was a typo ..its GMT+.0.00 or take local mean time +.00.00 Regards Anup Sateesh Batas <makaras wrote: I just used the latest KAS Worksheet also - and it gives the same results as Jyotish Tools - using either 06:54 with NO DST - or using 07:54 with 1 Hour DST (called BST in the Worksheet). ======== - Sateesh Batas Monday, July 09, 2007 3:08 PM Re: Re:From Archives Dear Anup, Not sure why you are taking 06:54 a.m. with GMT + 1 hour. It should be - either 06:54 a.m. with NO hours added on. Or - 07:54 a.m. INCLUDING 1 hour DST. Which is also what Krushna correctly stated - here he said - /message/519?threaded=1 & l=\ 1 >>> I have fixed the birth time as 06:54 am ( if considering day time saving it should be 07:54) <<< So take 06:54 with NO DST - or take 07:54 with 1 hour DST. Sateesh. ======== - Anup. M Monday, July 09, 2007 1:32 PM Re: Re:From Archives Dear Ramesh, Even i am confused and taking time as 06.54AM with GMT+1.00 no DST, i got Asc as given by krushnaji .But Rahu and ketu comes with 8Sg55.You may try this also. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear all, I would like to draw your attention on the chain of messages # 519 and 523. The birth data is DOB 13 Aug 1936, tob 07:54 AM with DST ( corrected time by Krushna ji 06:54 AM ), POB is Bridlington , England 54 N 6, 000 W 12 TZ -01:00 Hrs. When I cast the chart with 07:54 AM without considering DST, our Asc matches with that of Krushna Ji. But he said he has corrected the birth time for one hour which is 06:54 AM, in this case the scenario is totally different. Therefore I am confused. I therefore seek your guidance for casting the chart. For this you may refer to his msg # 519 and please advise me which birth time is correct. This chain of discussion is very important and Ash also participated in the discussion. For the evaluation of events I am very much confused. The deg of Mo and Ra also does not tally so navamsa also. Owing to diff. in Mo longitudes, there is diff. in the period of antara. I hope our esteemed members whenever they are in leisure may check it up and post their deg. of Asc and all planets. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Recent Activity a.. 6New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Instant smiles Share photos while you IM friends. Mail You're invited! Try the all-new Mail Beta .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Anup, Thanks for clarifying. Sateesh. ======== - Anup. M Monday, July 09, 2007 3:24 PM Re: Re:From Archives Satessh, It was a typo ..its GMT+.0.00 or take local mean time +.00.00 .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Sateesh and Anup, Thanks to Anup who used correct TZ as 0:00 for England. With this taking Birth time as 07:54 AM with DST ON, the longitudes matches with that of Krushnaji. Thanks to Sateesh also for clearing the confusion. For England the time zone is 0:00 hrs GMT and not as -01:00. Ramesh Mishra Sateesh Batas <makaras wrote: Dear Anup, Thanks for clarifying. Sateesh. ======== - Anup. M Monday, July 09, 2007 3:24 PM Re: Re:From Archives Satessh, It was a typo ..its GMT+.0.00 or take local mean time +.00.00 .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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