Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Hi Ash and everyone else, Had made a posting but seems that it got lost somewhere and did not show up anyhow. Here is a chart I know the person well 12 Novermber 1951 7:00pm bombay It is a simple exercise in 11th, 12th house income gain matters. The person has more points in 11th as compared to 12th infact H11 has all planets favarouble. Without dwelling into net chart analysis and keeping the dicussion focused on the issue of 11th house and 12th house points. This person has been in debt ever since he started working at 27/28. I have not seen a single period in his life where he was not under debt. No property thus far had to sell it because of debt. Ofcourse we can twist the rules to fit the facts by bringing in other pointers. But simply put based on the 11th house points it is hard to assess the chart from the stand point of what is happening in real as far as the person is concerned. Just a little excerise. If anyone wishes I can provide more charts regarding 11/12th house points and matters (including some famous personalities) so students can verify what happens. regards Vish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Vish, First point. How do u know that this birth time is accurate? Next, Here I give some things to confirm the birth time. 1) Based on this chart, this person’s marriage should not be married or his marriage should be very late. 2) Very loose morals, a womanizer. 3) Having multiple affairs. 4) Person might have problems with kidneys, he must take care. 5) Might have has miscarriage or child from another woman, if this is a male chart. 6) Very delayed marriage or no marriage. 7) Me, Sa, Me, Su, so working for government, in public and commerce field maybe. Me, Sa and Su are career giving planets for this native. What are the facts to first lets verify if this chart is correct? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of enigmaoflife21 Wednesday August 22, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: For Study purposes Hi Ash and everyone else, Had made a posting but seems that it got lost somewhere and did not show up anyhow. Here is a chart I know the person well 12 Novermber 1951 7:00pm bombay It is a simple exercise in 11th, 12th house income gain matters. The person has more points in 11th as compared to 12th infact H11 has all planets favarouble. Without dwelling into net chart analysis and keeping the dicussion focused on the issue of 11th house and 12th house points. This person has been in debt ever since he started working at 27/28. I have not seen a single period in his life where he was not under debt. No property thus far had to sell it because of debt. Ofcourse we can twist the rules to fit the facts by bringing in other pointers. But simply put based on the 11th house points it is hard to assess the chart from the stand point of what is happening in real as far as the person is concerned. Just a little excerise. If anyone wishes I can provide more charts regarding 11/12th house points and matters (including some famous personalities) so students can verify what happens. regards Vish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Ash, As requested, 1. The person got married at 27 years of age. 2. I do not know about being a womanizer so I cannot comment 3. No health problems so far he is active in sports (badminton and cricket) 4. Again do not know about child with another woman. 5. Did work for the government as a techincal engineer (pumps, compressors, gas turbines). Those are the facts, I cannot confirm the affair business since thats something personal, but as far as I know him as a person he has been married since 27 and has been working all his life without any property or savings. He has had income but still in debt. Regards Vish , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vish, > > > > First point. How do u know that this birth time is accurate? > > > > Next, Here I give some things to confirm the birth time. > > > > 1) Based on this chart, this person's marriage should not be married or > his marriage should be very late. > > 2) Very loose morals, a womanizer. > > 3) Having multiple affairs. > > 4) Person might have problems with kidneys, he must take care. > > 5) Might have has miscarriage or child from another woman, if this is a > male chart. > > 6) Very delayed marriage or no marriage. > > 7) Me, Sa, Me, Su, so working for government, in public and commerce > field maybe. Me, Sa and Su are career giving planets for this native. > > > > What are the facts to first lets verify if this chart is correct? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > enigmaoflife21 > Wednesday August 22, 2007 6:18 PM > > For Study purposes > > > > Hi Ash and everyone else, > > Had made a posting but seems that it got lost somewhere and did not > show up anyhow. Here is a chart I know the person well > > 12 Novermber 1951 > 7:00pm > bombay > > It is a simple exercise in 11th, 12th house income gain matters. The > person has more points in 11th as compared to 12th infact H11 has all > planets favarouble. > > Without dwelling into net chart analysis and keeping the dicussion > focused on the issue of 11th house and 12th house points. This person > has been in debt ever since he started working at 27/28. I have not > seen a single period in his life where he was not under debt. No > property thus far had to sell it because of debt. > > Ofcourse we can twist the rules to fit the facts by bringing in other > pointers. But simply put based on the 11th house points it is hard to > assess the chart from the stand point of what is happening in real as > far as the person is concerned. > > Just a little excerise. If anyone wishes I can provide more charts > regarding 11/12th house points and matters (including some famous > personalities) so students can verify what happens. > > regards > Vish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Regarding birth time accuracy, The person is quite close in the family and I know him quite well, birth time has been noted as given in the birth records at a bombay hospital where he was born. regards Vish , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vish, > > > > First point. How do u know that this birth time is accurate? > > > > Next, Here I give some things to confirm the birth time. > > > > 1) Based on this chart, this person's marriage should not be married or > his marriage should be very late. > > 2) Very loose morals, a womanizer. > > 3) Having multiple affairs. > > 4) Person might have problems with kidneys, he must take care. > > 5) Might have has miscarriage or child from another woman, if this is a > male chart. > > 6) Very delayed marriage or no marriage. > > 7) Me, Sa, Me, Su, so working for government, in public and commerce > field maybe. Me, Sa and Su are career giving planets for this native. > > > > What are the facts to first lets verify if this chart is correct? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > enigmaoflife21 > Wednesday August 22, 2007 6:18 PM > > For Study purposes > > > > Hi Ash and everyone else, > > Had made a posting but seems that it got lost somewhere and did not > show up anyhow. Here is a chart I know the person well > > 12 Novermber 1951 > 7:00pm > bombay > > It is a simple exercise in 11th, 12th house income gain matters. The > person has more points in 11th as compared to 12th infact H11 has all > planets favarouble. > > Without dwelling into net chart analysis and keeping the dicussion > focused on the issue of 11th house and 12th house points. This person > has been in debt ever since he started working at 27/28. I have not > seen a single period in his life where he was not under debt. No > property thus far had to sell it because of debt. > > Ofcourse we can twist the rules to fit the facts by bringing in other > pointers. But simply put based on the 11th house points it is hard to > assess the chart from the stand point of what is happening in real as > far as the person is concerned. > > Just a little excerise. If anyone wishes I can provide more charts > regarding 11/12th house points and matters (including some famous > personalities) so students can verify what happens. > > regards > Vish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Vish, Can you please confirm if what I have told you is correct. That will confirm if the birth chart is correct. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of enigmaoflife21 Wednesday August 22, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: For Study purposes Regarding birth time accuracy, The person is quite close in the family and I know him quite well, birth time has been noted as given in the birth records at a bombay hospital where he was born. regards Vish , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vish, > > > > First point. How do u know that this birth time is accurate? > > > > Next, Here I give some things to confirm the birth time. > > > > 1) Based on this chart, this person's marriage should not be married or > his marriage should be very late. > > 2) Very loose morals, a womanizer. > > 3) Having multiple affairs. > > 4) Person might have problems with kidneys, he must take care. > > 5) Might have has miscarriage or child from another woman, if this is a > male chart. > > 6) Very delayed marriage or no marriage. > > 7) Me, Sa, Me, Su, so working for government, in public and commerce > field maybe. Me, Sa and Su are career giving planets for this native. > > > > What are the facts to first lets verify if this chart is correct? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > enigmaoflife21 > Wednesday August 22, 2007 6:18 PM > > For Study purposes > > > > Hi Ash and everyone else, > > Had made a posting but seems that it got lost somewhere and did not > show up anyhow. Here is a chart I know the person well > > 12 Novermber 1951 > 7:00pm > bombay > > It is a simple exercise in 11th, 12th house income gain matters. The > person has more points in 11th as compared to 12th infact H11 has all > planets favarouble. > > Without dwelling into net chart analysis and keeping the dicussion > focused on the issue of 11th house and 12th house points. This person > has been in debt ever since he started working at 27/28. I have not > seen a single period in his life where he was not under debt. No > property thus far had to sell it because of debt. > > Ofcourse we can twist the rules to fit the facts by bringing in other > pointers. But simply put based on the 11th house points it is hard to > assess the chart from the stand point of what is happening in real as > far as the person is concerned. > > Just a little excerise. If anyone wishes I can provide more charts > regarding 11/12th house points and matters (including some famous > personalities) so students can verify what happens. > > regards > Vish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Vish, Let me ask you some questions. 1) How would you identify if a person will have debt in parasari or jaimini or KP. Here please give concrete scientific answer based on concrete logic and not anything abstract of philosophical. Such rules should be applicable on all charts. So if u are giving me some way to find the debt then I should be able to take another chart and apply the same / similar rules and get to the perfect answer. 2) What is the meaning of Ashtakavarga? 3) What is meaning of BAV ? 4) What is meaning of SAV? 5) Why is Jupiter considered a benefic and Mars and Saturn are natural malefic? Can Ma and Sa never give good results? Can Jupiter never give bad result? 6) For timing any event, please give me a concrete mathematical approach and you can use any system, to calculate HOW MUCH delay will be there. I would like to understand the formula’s. I can give you some blind chats and u can demonstrate it by giving me a set of concrete and fixed rules that can be applied to any chart and I would like to see and understand how one can time events. This has to be mathematical and based on concrete rules. 7) Explain to me how we derive the total summary points that you see in the worksheet, please give me detailed explanation of each step involved with understanding. This is given in lessons. Then we can understand all that is involved and then we can study Please don’t take this any other way, but I would like to understand your answer and learn from them? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Vish, You have told that you know the person. We are using concrete laws here, so Ve to Sun distance of 47 and aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects both luminary, Ve is with Sa and Ma is with Ve, 4th lord in 6th house, 12th lord with 6th lord, Ju in libra. Venus is in 12th house in Navamsa. He has 2 zeroes in 7th and 8th house. This is a chart of person that might even contract sexually transmitted disease. Venus is in dual sign. This chart definitely has multiple relations. This is a must to confirm first, before going into prediction. You gave this chart in public list, these laws are there in the lessons, things about ju in libra, ve to sun distance and sa aspecting ve and also asp both luminary and also here mars is involved and ve is 6th lord. You have said that u know the person so u must confirm such things. His wife might have had abortion or miscarriage. Please confirm? Please confirm if this marriage age as per community would be considered much delayed and this is back in 1951. Here one thing that his wife might be good and might have kept things together and have tolerated his behavior. There are other things in this chart as well, but in such charts, the nature of the persons is to have enjoyment. Such things reduce the status of the chart. Most of the things I have given above won’t change during the day, Sa will be with Sun. 6th lord who is karak for 11th is in 12th from its own house. Please give more details to confirm 1) Periods of job joining dates and leaving dates and reason for leaving 2) Promotions 3) If he is in debt then where is the money being spent if he is earning? 4) In which period of life he has saved some money 5) Best years or income 6) Can you confirm if his employers threatened legal action against him? 7) Did he change jobs or faced problems in job in 1986 8) Is he facing problems in job currently? Is he facing more expenditure or is without job now? 9) What is the main cause of debt if he is earning? 10) 1989 – 90 were good years for him but stress and maybe change in job for better but more worries and allegations on him? 11) 4th year after his marriage was good in terms of income. Please confirm once we fix the time and nature of person we can go into further detail. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of enigmaoflife21 Wednesday August 22, 2007 7:02 PM Re: For Study purposes Dear Ash, As requested, 1. The person got married at 27 years of age. 2. I do not know about being a womanizer so I cannot comment 3. No health problems so far he is active in sports (badminton and cricket) 4. Again do not know about child with another woman. 5. Did work for the government as a techincal engineer (pumps, compressors, gas turbines). Those are the facts, I cannot confirm the affair business since thats something personal, but as far as I know him as a person he has been married since 27 and has been working all his life without any property or savings. He has had income but still in debt. Regards Vish , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vish, > > > > First point. How do u know that this birth time is accurate? > > > > Next, Here I give some things to confirm the birth time. > > > > 1) Based on this chart, this person's marriage should not be married or > his marriage should be very late. > > 2) Very loose morals, a womanizer. > > 3) Having multiple affairs. > > 4) Person might have problems with kidneys, he must take care. > > 5) Might have has miscarriage or child from another woman, if this is a > male chart. > > 6) Very delayed marriage or no marriage. > > 7) Me, Sa, Me, Su, so working for government, in public and commerce > field maybe. Me, Sa and Su are career giving planets for this native. > > > > What are the facts to first lets verify if this chart is correct? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > enigmaoflife21 > Wednesday August 22, 2007 6:18 PM > > For Study purposes > > > > Hi Ash and everyone else, > > Had made a posting but seems that it got lost somewhere and did not > show up anyhow. Here is a chart I know the person well > > 12 Novermber 1951 > 7:00pm > bombay > > It is a simple exercise in 11th, 12th house income gain matters. The > person has more points in 11th as compared to 12th infact H11 has all > planets favarouble. > > Without dwelling into net chart analysis and keeping the dicussion > focused on the issue of 11th house and 12th house points. This person > has been in debt ever since he started working at 27/28. I have not > seen a single period in his life where he was not under debt. No > property thus far had to sell it because of debt. > > Ofcourse we can twist the rules to fit the facts by bringing in other > pointers. But simply put based on the 11th house points it is hard to > assess the chart from the stand point of what is happening in real as > far as the person is concerned. > > Just a little excerise. If anyone wishes I can provide more charts > regarding 11/12th house points and matters (including some famous > personalities) so students can verify what happens. > > regards > Vish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Dear Ash, Confirming a few pointer you have mentioned to the best of my kowledge. I have answered Below with your query. Rest assured I am certain this brith time is very correct, you have my word on that. , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vish, > > > > You have told that you know the person. We are using concrete laws here, so > Ve to Sun distance of 47 and aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects both > luminary, Ve is with Sa and Ma is with Ve, 4th lord in 6th house, 12th lord > with 6th lord, Ju in libra. > > > > Venus is in 12th house in Navamsa. He has 2 zeroes in 7th and 8th house. > This is a chart of person that might even contract sexually transmitted > disease. Venus is in dual sign. > > > > This chart definitely has multiple relations. This is a must to confirm > first, before going into prediction. I CANNOT CONFIRM MULTIPLE RELATIONS SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS A PERSONAL MATTER. AS I SEE IT HE MIGHT HAVE MULTIPLE RELATIONS BUT IN TODAYS WORLD MANY MEN HAVE MULTIPLE RELATIONS. HOWEVER THIS IS ONE POINTER I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONFIRM NOR HAVE ANY INTENTIONS OF ASKING. HOWEVER ANYTHING BESIDES THIS I CAN CONFIRM. > > > > You gave this chart in public list, these laws are there in the lessons, > things about ju in libra, ve to sun distance and sa aspecting ve and also > asp both luminary and also here mars is involved and ve is 6th lord. You > have said that u know the person so u must confirm such things. > > > > His wife might have had abortion or miscarriage. Please confirm? YES WIFE HAS HAD MISCARRAGE I BELIEVE WITH THE VERY FIRST CHILD > > > > Please confirm if this marriage age as per community would be considered > much delayed and this is back in 1951. MARRIAGE AGE PER COMMUNITY WAS NOT CONSIDERED DELAYED, IN THEIR FAMILY OTHER BROTHER MARRIED AT 27/28 AS WELL. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT MARRIAGE AGE WAS CONSIDERED NORMAL. I THINK AS I SEE IT MARRIAGE AT 29,30,31,32 MIGHT BE CONSIDERED DELAYED > > > > Here one thing that his wife might be good and might have kept things > together and have tolerated his behavior. WIFE'S BEHAVIOUR IS VERY GOOD AND A NICE DECENT LADY. > > > > There are other things in this chart as well, but in such charts, the nature > of the persons is to have enjoyment. Such things reduce the status of the > chart. YES, THERE IS THE ELEMENT OF ENJOYMENT (VENUS IN 12TH IN D9 AND OTHER POINTERS SHOW THIS WELL) > > > > Most of the things I have given above won't change during the day, Sa will > be with Sun. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY THIS POINTER > > > > 6th lord who is karak for 11th is in 12th from its own house. > AGAIN KINDLY ELLABORATE 6TH LORD 12TH FROM ITS POSITION WOULD LEAD TO LOSS OF MATTERS OF 6TH HOUSE AS I UNDERSTAND > > > Please give more details to confirm > > > > 1) Periods of job joining dates and leaving dates and reason for leaving JOINED A JOB IN 83 AND GOT TERMINATED IN 2000 > > 2) Promotions NONE > > 3) If he is in debt then where is the money being spent if he is > earning? OFCOURSE ENJOYMENT BUT GIVES MONEY TO FAMILY OR ANYONE IN NEED OF MONEY DOES NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN GOOD OR BAD PEOPLE AND HELPS WITH MONEY IF HE HAS THE MONEY RATHER THAN SAVE IT > > 4) In which period of life he has saved some money NONE AS STATED PRIOR HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN DEBT > > 5) Best years or income INCOME HAS BEEN STABLE THROUGHOUT NO SUCH BEST YEARS CONSTANT INCOME WITH MINIMAL INCREASE > 6) Can you confirm if his employers threatened legal action against him? NO LEGAL ACTION > > 7) Did he change jobs or faced problems in job in 1986 NO PROBLEMS > > 8) Is he facing problems in job currently? Is he facing more > expenditure or is without job now? HE HAS A JOB AND AS FAR AS EXPENSES ARE CONCERENED AS STATED PRIOR HE HAS BEEN IN DEBT FROM DAY ONE HE STARTED TO EARN HE HAS HAD CONSTANT HIGH EXPENSES THROUGHOUT IRRESPECTIVE OF TIME AND PERIOD > > 9) What is the main cause of debt if he is earning? DOES NOT SAVE MONEY AND USES MONEY TO SUPPORT FAMILIY, ENJOY HIS TASTES AND LIVE LIFE TO THE FULLEST > 10) 1989 - 90 were good years for him but stress and maybe change in job for > better but more worries and allegations on him? THE MAN IS BEYOND WORRIES, HE HAS NEVER SHOWN ANY WORRY I THINK 89-90 WAS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER YEAR. HE HAS NEVER STRESSED OUT AND IS QUITE CAPABLE OF GOING INTO A STATE OF DIASSOCIATION WHEN UNDER STRESS AND HENCE DOES NOT FEEL OR TAKE STRESS > > 11) 4th year after his marriage was good in terms of income. YES > > > > Please confirm once we fix the time and nature of person we can go into > further detail. WILL LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER DETAILS. NOW TO MENTION A FEW POINTS SINCE YOU HAVE GOTTEN CARRIED AWAY OVER EXTRA MARITIAL AFFAIRS. WHILE AS I SAID I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THOSE. I HAVE OBSERVED THE MAN TO BE QUITE SPRITUAL AND SPEAKS OF GOD MOST OF THE TIME. HE PRAYS MUCH DAY IN AND DAY OUT. BUT YOU MIGHT BE CORRECT ABOUT HIM FOCUSING HIS MIND OF OTHER WOMEN AS WELL (AGAIN CANNOT SAY FOR SURE) THE PRESENCE OF VENUS,SATURN,MARS AND AFFLICATION OF VENUS, 7TH HOUSE AND 8TH HOUSE MATTERS ALONG WITH RETRO 8TH LORD CAN LEAD TOWARDS SEXUAL TENDENDIES AND AFFAIRS THOUGH IF SUCH A PERSON PURSUES IT IS HARD TO SAY. I HAVE SEEN CHARTS WHERE THATS NOT THE CASE AND THE PERSON IS ROAMING AROUND WITH WOMEN OF EASY VIRTUES. I SIMPLY SEEMS TO BE A TREND THESE DAYS. ANYHOW WILL WAIT FOR YOUR FURTHER ANALYSIS. 1. WILL THE PERSON DIVORCE HIS WIFE 2.WILL THE PERSON EVER SAVE MONEY 3. WILL THE PERSON IMPROVE HIS OUTLOOK WITH LIFE REGARDS VISH > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of > enigmaoflife21 > Wednesday August 22, 2007 7:02 PM > > Re: For Study purposes > > > > Dear Ash, > As requested, > > 1. The person got married at 27 years of age. > 2. I do not know about being a womanizer so I cannot comment > 3. No health problems so far he is active in sports (badminton and > cricket) > > 4. Again do not know about child with another woman. > 5. Did work for the government as a techincal engineer (pumps, > compressors, gas turbines). > > Those are the facts, I cannot confirm the affair business since thats > something personal, but as far as I know him as a person he has been > married since 27 and has been working all his life without any > property or savings. He has had income but still in debt. > > Regards > Vish > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents , > " Ash " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vish, > > > > > > > > First point. How do u know that this birth time is accurate? > > > > > > > > Next, Here I give some things to confirm the birth time. > > > > > > > > 1) Based on this chart, this person's marriage should not be > married or > > his marriage should be very late. > > > > 2) Very loose morals, a womanizer. > > > > 3) Having multiple affairs. > > > > 4) Person might have problems with kidneys, he must take care. > > > > 5) Might have has miscarriage or child from another woman, if > this is a > > male chart. > > > > 6) Very delayed marriage or no marriage. > > > > 7) Me, Sa, Me, Su, so working for government, in public and commerce > > field maybe. Me, Sa and Su are career giving planets for this native. > > > > > > > > What are the facts to first lets verify if this chart is correct? > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents > > [astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents ] > On Behalf Of > > enigmaoflife21 > > Wednesday August 22, 2007 6:18 PM > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents > > For Study purposes > > > > > > > > Hi Ash and everyone else, > > > > Had made a posting but seems that it got lost somewhere and did not > > show up anyhow. Here is a chart I know the person well > > > > 12 Novermber 1951 > > 7:00pm > > bombay > > > > It is a simple exercise in 11th, 12th house income gain matters. The > > person has more points in 11th as compared to 12th infact H11 has all > > planets favarouble. > > > > Without dwelling into net chart analysis and keeping the dicussion > > focused on the issue of 11th house and 12th house points. This person > > has been in debt ever since he started working at 27/28. I have not > > seen a single period in his life where he was not under debt. No > > property thus far had to sell it because of debt. > > > > Ofcourse we can twist the rules to fit the facts by bringing in other > > pointers. But simply put based on the 11th house points it is hard to > > assess the chart from the stand point of what is happening in real as > > far as the person is concerned. > > > > Just a little excerise. If anyone wishes I can provide more charts > > regarding 11/12th house points and matters (including some famous > > personalities) so students can verify what happens. > > > > regards > > Vish > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Dear Ash, I am not as proficient in astrology as you are or any other Guru out there nor claim that astrology is the answer to all questions. As far as I go I treat it as knoweldge and think of astrology or any system there of " as what may happen " and not " what will happen " . In my world, I see that any system weather prashara, Jaimin,K.P or KAS for that matter have been limited in prediction. I think you would be doing unjust to the KAS system if you are trying to claim that it provides 100% accuracy. In a country such as india, with 100s of politicians trying to save their seats, with so many more trying to be rich, and with twice or thrice or perhaps fours times that many more trying to leave a normal life. If any system would be so predictive and accurate it would end up solving everyones problems, from lalu prasad yadav to atal behari when he lost his seat. Again while I consider astrological knoweldge to be unique in its own way. I somehow sense on your part (I could be mistaken) that you are trying to market the KAS system as much more unique, more refined and perhaps 100% accurate and I differ to agree on that and infact most of my posting is doing just that, it is not about me personally doubting your knowledge but just that you some how come to sound as a person who does not want to see the limitations of the system. I think good knowledge can only be shared if we see the limitations of any system and I am sure you will concur that every astrological system has much limitations. Prashara being the oldest was the front runner, then came jaimini with claim thats it was right, then there were other flavours including brigu nadi, finally in the recent past it was K.P with the claim that sub planets and sub lords provide accruate predictions and then there is KAS. I think what will eventually end up happening to the student of astrology is a mixture of all systems and much confusion on what is what (malefic planets will go benefic and vice versa). While you can claim that you have predicted results accurately, I am confident an astrologer of the prashara system or jaimini or k.p would claim the same. Yet overall the rate of success is simliar. Even if you speak statistically (in reference to the charts analyzed by sandy crowler and statically categorized) there will always be the 1001 or 1002 chart which will not obey the law of KAS and will perfectly fit into parashara or k.p. I hope you are seeing my point here. It is like weather metrology, the weather guy predicts on tv its going to rain and assigns a probablity to be on the save end of weather it will happen or not so that in either case he is safe. You have in one posting told me to look at the posting by Gopal where jupiter is placed in 10th house with more points and he is finding it hard to locate a job. I did go through it and yes KAS tries to fit the description well. But on the other hand I request that you go through the posting by one of the other memebers 'Murli' and what was predicted for him never came to happen. The poor guy now thinks that he might be haunted by black magic. So as you might see there are many postings in the fourm where KAS has not worked. In fact just rationally asses and coming back to the chart I provided 12 nov 1951 chart It seems the direction of the conversation of debt, income and 11th house suddnely changed to extra marital affairs and other stuff. What I was trying to figure out with the natives chart is inspite of the high points in the 11th house as compared to 12th. The person has had more expenses than savings, something that came up when I have been assessing my own chart and wanted to clarify. By the way, I am trying to dig up all the old archieves and learn whatever I can figure out. Though I could me mistaken again, but it sounds to me that we are trying to make the facts fit the theory rather than the theory fitting the facts. In response to your query of timing a mathematical equation to time events, my dear ash, life is such a complex creation so complex that it is hard for us to figure out ourselves, so how can anyone develop a formula that can fit and time events to any certainity. Einstein tried to develop a unified field theory and failed. He came up with relativity which breaks down at the centre of black holes and he was skeptical and apprehensive to quatum mechanics by saying God does not play dice. Was he wrong, was he right? ah hard for us to say atleast hard for me since I am not that knowledgable being. So perhaps your KAS formula for timing events is unique but I am sure it does not include a correction factor for the nth chart which does not obey it. I think it is a futile effort on my part to develop formuales to predict life or else the purpose of God as an entity would be worthless. Please don't take me wrong, just trying to put my case forward to the claim of KAS as being superior or any other system being inferior or less accurate. Regards Vish , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vish, > > > > Let me ask you some questions. > > > > 1) How would you identify if a person will have debt in parasari or > jaimini or KP. Here please give concrete scientific answer based on > concrete logic and not anything abstract of philosophical. Such rules > should be applicable on all charts. So if u are giving me some way to find > the debt then I should be able to take another chart and apply the same / > similar rules and get to the perfect answer. > > 2) What is the meaning of Ashtakavarga? > > 3) What is meaning of BAV ? > > 4) What is meaning of SAV? > > 5) Why is Jupiter considered a benefic and Mars and Saturn are natural > malefic? Can Ma and Sa never give good results? Can Jupiter never give bad > result? > > 6) For timing any event, please give me a concrete mathematical approach > and you can use any system, to calculate HOW MUCH delay will be there. I > would like to understand the formula's. I can give you some blind chats and > u can demonstrate it by giving me a set of concrete and fixed rules that can > be applied to any chart and I would like to see and understand how one can > time events. This has to be mathematical and based on concrete rules. > > 7) Explain to me how we derive the total summary points that you see in > the worksheet, please give me detailed explanation of each step involved > with understanding. This is given in lessons. Then we can understand all > that is involved and then we can study > > > > Please don't take this any other way, but I would like to understand your > answer and learn from them? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Dear Vish, It is strange that on the one side you are writing that you have little knowledge about astrology and on the side you are describing astrology from Prashara to KAS analogy.I wld say you are bias while writing all this about KAS.Why not first read the archive messages, which were given as a hint in my previous mail.Less than 5 mails wld be enough for all this long mail, you wrote.. As a learner of KAS, i never find such a refined and scientific system in astrology. I being a science student and knows all about Einstein and his rules. What he finds in theory of relativity..E=mc2...is still applicable( i hope you understand) But can you tell me, how our ancesstor finds the correct timings of eclipses in the past and how did they know the correct timings of movement of these planets in constellation without the help of any satellite system like in 21st centuary? No you wont have any answer except astrology, i think Even you are diverting the 11th v/s 12th to different subject like Einstein. Yes, i am impressed by your knowledge but not by your immaturity. Ash has wisely advised you to go through the lessons and after that try to find the wrongs and the rights. Merely on the basis of one or two charts you gave , whose past events are not validated, how you can say this system is not good.Even these data's are not reliable as these are taken from some sites. I can give you such 1000plus charts which might have no answers coz these are not correct charts We never twist the things to fit in the system.You might have not understood yet coz you are not even a beginer of KAS.I suppose, you merely try to compute 11th v/s 12th points in Xcel chart and trying to prove that KAS is wrong here as per your points like in books, and understanding. Why dont you see other factors? If you are not satisfied then you may proceed for another system instead finding faults in KAS .Every rule of KAS is applied uniformaly to all charts irrespect of its suitability. We never mould the rules according to the chart . Just try once going thru the lessons and atleast you must be knowing mathematics for sure.It will be easy for you really, i mean this. If you have no time to even read the archive messages and have enough time to find reasons and why's as in your mail.Then i am sorry nobody can help you. I wanna write more but remember, it is easy to write than understand. I hope i have not hurt you as it was not my intention unlike you did. Just take this as a gesture of small advise. Best of luck, Anup enigmaoflife21 <enigmaoflife21 wrote: Dear Ash, I am not as proficient in astrology as you are or any other Guru outthere nor claim that astrology is the answer to all questions. As faras I go I treat it as knoweldge and think of astrology or any systemthere of "as what may happen" and not "what will happen". In my world, I see that any system weather prashara, Jaimin,K.P or KASfor that matter have been limited in prediction. I think you would bedoing unjust to the KAS system if you are trying to claim that itprovides 100% accuracy. In a country such as india, with 100s of politicians trying to savetheir seats, with so many more trying to be rich, and with twice orthrice or perhaps fours times that many more trying to leave a normallife. If any system would be so predictive and accurate it would endup solving everyones problems, from lalu prasad yadav to atal behariwhen he lost his seat. Again while I consider astrological knoweldge to be unique in its ownway. I somehow sense on your part (I could be mistaken) that you aretrying to market the KAS system as much more unique, more refined andperhaps 100% accurate and I differ to agree on that and infact most ofmy posting is doing just that, it is not about me personally doubtingyour knowledge but just that you some how come to sound as a personwho does not want to see the limitations of the system. I think goodknowledge can only be shared if we see the limitations of any systemand I am sure you will concur that every astrological system has muchlimitations. Prashara being the oldest was the front runner, then came jaimini withclaim thats it was right, then there were other flavours includingbrigu nadi, finally in the recent past it was K.P with the claim thatsub planets and sub lords provide accruate predictions and then thereis KAS. I think what will eventually end up happening to the studentof astrology is a mixture of all systems and much confusion on what iswhat (malefic planets will go benefic and vice versa). While you can claim that you have predicted results accurately, I amconfident an astrologer of the prashara system or jaimini or k.p wouldclaim the same. Yet overall the rate of success is simliar. Even ifyou speak statistically (in reference to the charts analyzed by sandycrowler and statically categorized) there will always be the 1001 or1002 chart which will not obey the law of KAS and will perfectly fitinto parashara or k.p. I hope you are seeing my point here. It is likeweather metrology, the weather guy predicts on tv its going to rainand assigns a probablity to be on the save end of weather it willhappen or not so that in either case he is safe. You have in one posting told me to look at the posting by Gopal wherejupiter is placed in 10th house with more points and he is finding ithard to locate a job. I did go through it and yes KAS tries to fit thedescription well. But on the other hand I request that you go through the posting by oneof the other memebers 'Murli' and what was predicted for him nevercame to happen. The poor guy now thinks that he might be haunted byblack magic. So as you might see there are many postings in the fourmwhere KAS has not worked. In fact just rationally asses and comingback to the chart I provided 12 nov 1951 chart It seems the direction of the conversation of debt, income and 11thhouse suddnely changed to extra marital affairs and other stuff. WhatI was trying to figure out with the natives chart is inspite of thehigh points in the 11th house as compared to 12th. The person has hadmore expenses than savings, something that came up when I have beenassessing my own chart and wanted to clarify. By the way, I am trying to dig up all the old archieves and learnwhatever I can figure out. Though I could me mistaken again, but itsounds to me that we are trying to make the facts fit the theoryrather than the theory fitting the facts. In response to your query of timing a mathematical equation to timeevents, my dear ash, life is such a complex creation so complex thatit is hard for us to figure out ourselves, so how can anyone develop aformula that can fit and time events to any certainity. Einstein triedto develop a unified field theory and failed. He came up withrelativity which breaks down at the centre of black holes and he wasskeptical and apprehensive to quatum mechanics by saying God does notplay dice. Was he wrong, was he right? ah hard for us to say atleasthard for me since I am not that knowledgable being. So perhaps your KAS formula for timing events is unique but I am sureit does not include a correction factor for the nth chart which doesnot obey it. I think it is a futile effort on my part to developformuales to predict life or else the purpose of God as an entitywould be worthless. Please don't take me wrong, just trying to put my case forward to theclaim of KAS as being superior or any other system being inferior orless accurate. RegardsVish , "Ash" <kas wrote:>> Dear Vish,> > > > Let me ask you some questions.> > > > 1) How would you identify if a person will have debt in parasari or> jaimini or KP. Here please give concrete scientific answer based on> concrete logic and not anything abstract of philosophical. Such rules> should be applicable on all charts. So if u are giving me some wayto find> the debt then I should be able to take another chart and apply thesame /> similar rules and get to the perfect answer. > > 2) What is the meaning of Ashtakavarga? > > 3) What is meaning of BAV ? > > 4) What is meaning of SAV?> > 5) Why is Jupiter considered a benefic and Mars and Saturn arenatural> malefic? Can Ma and Sa never give good results? Can Jupiter nevergive bad> result? > > 6) For timing any event, please give me a concrete mathematicalapproach> and you can use any system, to calculate HOW MUCH delay will bethere. I> would like to understand the formula's. I can give you some blindchats and> u can demonstrate it by giving me a set of concrete and fixed rulesthat can> be applied to any chart and I would like to see and understand howone can> time events. This has to be mathematical and based on concrete rules.> > 7) Explain to me how we derive the total summary points that yousee in> the worksheet, please give me detailed explanation of each step involved> with understanding. This is given in lessons. Then we canunderstand all> that is involved and then we can study > > > > Please don't take this any other way, but I would like to understandyour> answer and learn from them?> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > _____> oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Dear Vish, I am still waiting for your answer to my question? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of enigmaoflife21 Thursday August 23, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: Re: For Study purposes Dear Ash, I am not as proficient in astrology as you are or any other Guru out there nor claim that astrology is the answer to all questions. As far as I go I treat it as knoweldge and think of astrology or any system there of " as what may happen " and not " what will happen " . In my world, I see that any system weather prashara, Jaimin,K.P or KAS for that matter have been limited in prediction. I think you would be doing unjust to the KAS system if you are trying to claim that it provides 100% accuracy. In a country such as india, with 100s of politicians trying to save their seats, with so many more trying to be rich, and with twice or thrice or perhaps fours times that many more trying to leave a normal life. If any system would be so predictive and accurate it would end up solving everyones problems, from lalu prasad yadav to atal behari when he lost his seat. Again while I consider astrological knoweldge to be unique in its own way. I somehow sense on your part (I could be mistaken) that you are trying to market the KAS system as much more unique, more refined and perhaps 100% accurate and I differ to agree on that and infact most of my posting is doing just that, it is not about me personally doubting your knowledge but just that you some how come to sound as a person who does not want to see the limitations of the system. I think good knowledge can only be shared if we see the limitations of any system and I am sure you will concur that every astrological system has much limitations. Prashara being the oldest was the front runner, then came jaimini with claim thats it was right, then there were other flavours including brigu nadi, finally in the recent past it was K.P with the claim that sub planets and sub lords provide accruate predictions and then there is KAS. I think what will eventually end up happening to the student of astrology is a mixture of all systems and much confusion on what is what (malefic planets will go benefic and vice versa). While you can claim that you have predicted results accurately, I am confident an astrologer of the prashara system or jaimini or k.p would claim the same. Yet overall the rate of success is simliar. Even if you speak statistically (in reference to the charts analyzed by sandy crowler and statically categorized) there will always be the 1001 or 1002 chart which will not obey the law of KAS and will perfectly fit into parashara or k.p. I hope you are seeing my point here. It is like weather metrology, the weather guy predicts on tv its going to rain and assigns a probablity to be on the save end of weather it will happen or not so that in either case he is safe. You have in one posting told me to look at the posting by Gopal where jupiter is placed in 10th house with more points and he is finding it hard to locate a job. I did go through it and yes KAS tries to fit the description well. But on the other hand I request that you go through the posting by one of the other memebers 'Murli' and what was predicted for him never came to happen. The poor guy now thinks that he might be haunted by black magic. So as you might see there are many postings in the fourm where KAS has not worked. In fact just rationally asses and coming back to the chart I provided 12 nov 1951 chart It seems the direction of the conversation of debt, income and 11th house suddnely changed to extra marital affairs and other stuff. What I was trying to figure out with the natives chart is inspite of the high points in the 11th house as compared to 12th. The person has had more expenses than savings, something that came up when I have been assessing my own chart and wanted to clarify. By the way, I am trying to dig up all the old archieves and learn whatever I can figure out. Though I could me mistaken again, but it sounds to me that we are trying to make the facts fit the theory rather than the theory fitting the facts. In response to your query of timing a mathematical equation to time events, my dear ash, life is such a complex creation so complex that it is hard for us to figure out ourselves, so how can anyone develop a formula that can fit and time events to any certainity. Einstein tried to develop a unified field theory and failed. He came up with relativity which breaks down at the centre of black holes and he was skeptical and apprehensive to quatum mechanics by saying God does not play dice. Was he wrong, was he right? ah hard for us to say atleast hard for me since I am not that knowledgable being. So perhaps your KAS formula for timing events is unique but I am sure it does not include a correction factor for the nth chart which does not obey it. I think it is a futile effort on my part to develop formuales to predict life or else the purpose of God as an entity would be worthless. Please don't take me wrong, just trying to put my case forward to the claim of KAS as being superior or any other system being inferior or less accurate. Regards Vish , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vish, > > > > Let me ask you some questions. > > > > 1) How would you identify if a person will have debt in parasari or > jaimini or KP. Here please give concrete scientific answer based on > concrete logic and not anything abstract of philosophical. Such rules > should be applicable on all charts. So if u are giving me some way to find > the debt then I should be able to take another chart and apply the same / > similar rules and get to the perfect answer. > > 2) What is the meaning of Ashtakavarga? > > 3) What is meaning of BAV ? > > 4) What is meaning of SAV? > > 5) Why is Jupiter considered a benefic and Mars and Saturn are natural > malefic? Can Ma and Sa never give good results? Can Jupiter never give bad > result? > > 6) For timing any event, please give me a concrete mathematical approach > and you can use any system, to calculate HOW MUCH delay will be there. I > would like to understand the formula's. I can give you some blind chats and > u can demonstrate it by giving me a set of concrete and fixed rules that can > be applied to any chart and I would like to see and understand how one can > time events. This has to be mathematical and based on concrete rules. > > 7) Explain to me how we derive the total summary points that you see in > the worksheet, please give me detailed explanation of each step involved > with understanding. This is given in lessons. Then we can understand all > that is involved and then we can study > > > > Please don't take this any other way, but I would like to understand your > answer and learn from them? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Dear Anup, I honestly must admit that I have next to no knowledge of astrology considering the amount of knowledge everyone else seems to have. Again my intention is not to criticize KAS or come here to discuss the important of other systems. It is merely at breaking the notion that predicting human life is a very complex phenomena and just manipulating bidhus or giving a set of points will not do the trick. Ofcourse some preditions will come right and some will go wrong like any other system. But the claim by many that nothing is going to go wrong or that an equation is going to time and describe life event is rather ridiculous and immature I feel. That's all I am standing up for. You have not hurt me so please feel free to express your thoughts, again my rational there is there a billion people in this world and everyone has a particular thought if I were to get hurt by every thought I would hurt a billion times so no worry's on that front dear friend. Regards Vish , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Vish, > It is strange that on the one side you are writing that you have little knowledge about astrology and on the side you are describing astrology from Prashara to KAS analogy.I wld say you are bias while writing all this about KAS.Why not first read the archive messages, which were given as a hint in my previous mail.Less than 5 mails wld be enough for all this long mail, you wrote.. > As a learner of KAS, i never find such a refined and scientific system in astrology. > I being a science student and knows all about Einstein and his rules. > What he finds in theory of relativity..E=mc2...is still applicable( i hope you understand) > But can you tell me, how our ancesstor finds the correct timings of eclipses in the past > and how did they know the correct timings of movement of these planets in constellation > without the help of any satellite system like in 21st centuary? > No you wont have any answer except astrology, i think > Even you are diverting the 11th v/s 12th to different subject like Einstein. > Yes, i am impressed by your knowledge but not by your immaturity. > Ash has wisely advised you to go through the lessons and after that try to find the > wrongs and the rights. > Merely on the basis of one or two charts you gave , whose past events are not validated, > how you can say this system is not good.Even these data's are not reliable as these are taken from some sites. I can give you such 1000plus charts which might have no answers coz these are not correct charts > > We never twist the things to fit in the system.You might have not understood yet coz you are not even a beginer of KAS.I suppose, you merely try to compute 11th v/s 12th points in Xcel chart and trying to prove that KAS is wrong here as per your points like in books, and understanding. > Why dont you see other factors? > If you are not satisfied then you may proceed for another system instead finding faults in KAS .Every rule of KAS is applied uniformaly to all charts irrespect of its suitability. > We never mould the rules according to the chart . > Just try once going thru the lessons and atleast you must be knowing mathematics for sure.It will be easy for you really, i mean this. > If you have no time to even read the archive messages and have enough time to find reasons and why's as in your mail.Then i am sorry nobody can help you. > I wanna write more but remember, it is easy to write than understand. > > I hope i have not hurt you as it was not my intention unlike you did. > Just take this as a gesture of small advise. > > Best of luck, > Anup > > > > enigmaoflife21 <enigmaoflife21 wrote: > Dear Ash, > > I am not as proficient in astrology as you are or any other Guru out > there nor claim that astrology is the answer to all questions. As far > as I go I treat it as knoweldge and think of astrology or any system > there of " as what may happen " and not " what will happen " . > > In my world, I see that any system weather prashara, Jaimin,K.P or KAS > for that matter have been limited in prediction. I think you would be > doing unjust to the KAS system if you are trying to claim that it > provides 100% accuracy. > > In a country such as india, with 100s of politicians trying to save > their seats, with so many more trying to be rich, and with twice or > thrice or perhaps fours times that many more trying to leave a normal > life. If any system would be so predictive and accurate it would end > up solving everyones problems, from lalu prasad yadav to atal behari > when he lost his seat. > > Again while I consider astrological knoweldge to be unique in its own > way. I somehow sense on your part (I could be mistaken) that you are > trying to market the KAS system as much more unique, more refined and > perhaps 100% accurate and I differ to agree on that and infact most of > my posting is doing just that, it is not about me personally doubting > your knowledge but just that you some how come to sound as a person > who does not want to see the limitations of the system. I think good > knowledge can only be shared if we see the limitations of any system > and I am sure you will concur that every astrological system has much > limitations. > > Prashara being the oldest was the front runner, then came jaimini with > claim thats it was right, then there were other flavours including > brigu nadi, finally in the recent past it was K.P with the claim that > sub planets and sub lords provide accruate predictions and then there > is KAS. I think what will eventually end up happening to the student > of astrology is a mixture of all systems and much confusion on what is > what (malefic planets will go benefic and vice versa). > > While you can claim that you have predicted results accurately, I am > confident an astrologer of the prashara system or jaimini or k.p would > claim the same. Yet overall the rate of success is simliar. Even if > you speak statistically (in reference to the charts analyzed by sandy > crowler and statically categorized) there will always be the 1001 or > 1002 chart which will not obey the law of KAS and will perfectly fit > into parashara or k.p. I hope you are seeing my point here. It is like > weather metrology, the weather guy predicts on tv its going to rain > and assigns a probablity to be on the save end of weather it will > happen or not so that in either case he is safe. > > You have in one posting told me to look at the posting by Gopal where > jupiter is placed in 10th house with more points and he is finding it > hard to locate a job. I did go through it and yes KAS tries to fit the > description well. > > But on the other hand I request that you go through the posting by one > of the other memebers 'Murli' and what was predicted for him never > came to happen. The poor guy now thinks that he might be haunted by > black magic. So as you might see there are many postings in the fourm > where KAS has not worked. In fact just rationally asses and coming > back to the chart I provided > > 12 nov 1951 chart > > It seems the direction of the conversation of debt, income and 11th > house suddnely changed to extra marital affairs and other stuff. What > I was trying to figure out with the natives chart is inspite of the > high points in the 11th house as compared to 12th. The person has had > more expenses than savings, something that came up when I have been > assessing my own chart and wanted to clarify. > > By the way, I am trying to dig up all the old archieves and learn > whatever I can figure out. Though I could me mistaken again, but it > sounds to me that we are trying to make the facts fit the theory > rather than the theory fitting the facts. > > In response to your query of timing a mathematical equation to time > events, my dear ash, life is such a complex creation so complex that > it is hard for us to figure out ourselves, so how can anyone develop a > formula that can fit and time events to any certainity. Einstein tried > to develop a unified field theory and failed. He came up with > relativity which breaks down at the centre of black holes and he was > skeptical and apprehensive to quatum mechanics by saying God does not > play dice. Was he wrong, was he right? ah hard for us to say atleast > hard for me since I am not that knowledgable being. > > So perhaps your KAS formula for timing events is unique but I am sure > it does not include a correction factor for the nth chart which does > not obey it. I think it is a futile effort on my part to develop > formuales to predict life or else the purpose of God as an entity > would be worthless. > > Please don't take me wrong, just trying to put my case forward to the > claim of KAS as being superior or any other system being inferior or > less accurate. > > Regards > Vish > > , " Ash " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vish, > > > > > > > > Let me ask you some questions. > > > > > > > > 1) How would you identify if a person will have debt in parasari or > > jaimini or KP. Here please give concrete scientific answer based on > > concrete logic and not anything abstract of philosophical. Such rules > > should be applicable on all charts. So if u are giving me some way > to find > > the debt then I should be able to take another chart and apply the > same / > > similar rules and get to the perfect answer. > > > > 2) What is the meaning of Ashtakavarga? > > > > 3) What is meaning of BAV ? > > > > 4) What is meaning of SAV? > > > > 5) Why is Jupiter considered a benefic and Mars and Saturn are > natural > > malefic? Can Ma and Sa never give good results? Can Jupiter never > give bad > > result? > > > > 6) For timing any event, please give me a concrete mathematical > approach > > and you can use any system, to calculate HOW MUCH delay will be > there. I > > would like to understand the formula's. I can give you some blind > chats and > > u can demonstrate it by giving me a set of concrete and fixed rules > that can > > be applied to any chart and I would like to see and understand how > one can > > time events. This has to be mathematical and based on concrete rules. > > > > 7) Explain to me how we derive the total summary points that you > see in > > the worksheet, please give me detailed explanation of each step involved > > with understanding. This is given in lessons. Then we can > understand all > > that is involved and then we can study > > > > > > > > Please don't take this any other way, but I would like to understand > your > > answer and learn from them? > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 i guess i should have stopped looking at 30+ points in lagna.. lol , " enigmaoflife21 " <enigmaoflife21 wrote: > > Dear Anup, > I honestly must admit that I have next to no knowledge of astrology > considering the amount of knowledge everyone else seems to have. > > Again my intention is not to criticize KAS or come here to discuss the > important of other systems. It is merely at breaking the notion that > predicting human life is a very complex phenomena and just > manipulating bidhus or giving a set of points will not do the trick. > Ofcourse some preditions will come right and some will go wrong like > any other system. But the claim by many that nothing is going to go > wrong or that an equation is going to time and describe life event is > rather ridiculous and immature I feel. That's all I am standing up for. > > You have not hurt me so please feel free to express your thoughts, > again my rational there is there a billion people in this world and > everyone has a particular thought if I were to get hurt by every > thought I would hurt a billion times so no worry's on that front > dear friend. > > Regards > Vish > > > > > , " Anup. M " > <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vish, > > It is strange that on the one side you > are writing that you have little knowledge about astrology and on the > side you are describing astrology from Prashara to KAS analogy.I wld > say you are bias while writing all this about KAS.Why not first read > the archive messages, which were given as a hint in my previous > mail.Less than 5 mails wld be enough for all this long mail, you wrote.. > > As a learner of KAS, i never find such a refined and scientific > system in astrology. > > I being a science student and knows all about Einstein and his rules. > > What he finds in theory of relativity..E=mc2...is still > applicable( i hope you understand) > > But can you tell me, how our ancesstor finds the correct timings > of eclipses in the past > > and how did they know the correct timings of movement of these > planets in constellation > > without the help of any satellite system like in 21st centuary? > > No you wont have any answer except astrology, i think > > Even you are diverting the 11th v/s 12th to different subject like > Einstein. > > Yes, i am impressed by your knowledge but not by your immaturity. > > Ash has wisely advised you to go through the lessons and after > that try to find the > > wrongs and the rights. > > Merely on the basis of one or two charts you gave , whose past > events are not validated, > > how you can say this system is not good.Even these data's are not > reliable as these are taken from some sites. I can give you such > 1000plus charts which might have no answers coz these are not correct > charts > > > > We never twist the things to fit in the system.You might have not > understood yet coz you are not even a beginer of KAS.I suppose, you > merely try to compute 11th v/s 12th points in Xcel chart and trying to > prove that KAS is wrong here as per your points like in books, and > understanding. > > Why dont you see other factors? > > If you are not satisfied then you may proceed for another system > instead finding faults in KAS .Every rule of KAS is applied uniformaly > to all charts irrespect of its suitability. > > We never mould the rules according to the chart . > > Just try once going thru the lessons and atleast you must be > knowing mathematics for sure.It will be easy for you really, i mean this. > > If you have no time to even read the archive messages and have > enough time to find reasons and why's as in your mail.Then i am sorry > nobody can help you. > > I wanna write more but remember, it is easy to write than understand. > > > > I hope i have not hurt you as it was not my intention unlike you did. > > Just take this as a gesture of small advise. > > > > Best of luck, > > Anup > > > > > > > > enigmaoflife21 <enigmaoflife21@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > I am not as proficient in astrology as you are or any other Guru out > > there nor claim that astrology is the answer to all questions. As far > > as I go I treat it as knoweldge and think of astrology or any system > > there of " as what may happen " and not " what will happen " . > > > > In my world, I see that any system weather prashara, Jaimin,K.P or KAS > > for that matter have been limited in prediction. I think you would be > > doing unjust to the KAS system if you are trying to claim that it > > provides 100% accuracy. > > > > In a country such as india, with 100s of politicians trying to save > > their seats, with so many more trying to be rich, and with twice or > > thrice or perhaps fours times that many more trying to leave a normal > > life. If any system would be so predictive and accurate it would end > > up solving everyones problems, from lalu prasad yadav to atal behari > > when he lost his seat. > > > > Again while I consider astrological knoweldge to be unique in its own > > way. I somehow sense on your part (I could be mistaken) that you are > > trying to market the KAS system as much more unique, more refined and > > perhaps 100% accurate and I differ to agree on that and infact most of > > my posting is doing just that, it is not about me personally doubting > > your knowledge but just that you some how come to sound as a person > > who does not want to see the limitations of the system. I think good > > knowledge can only be shared if we see the limitations of any system > > and I am sure you will concur that every astrological system has much > > limitations. > > > > Prashara being the oldest was the front runner, then came jaimini with > > claim thats it was right, then there were other flavours including > > brigu nadi, finally in the recent past it was K.P with the claim that > > sub planets and sub lords provide accruate predictions and then there > > is KAS. I think what will eventually end up happening to the student > > of astrology is a mixture of all systems and much confusion on what is > > what (malefic planets will go benefic and vice versa). > > > > While you can claim that you have predicted results accurately, I am > > confident an astrologer of the prashara system or jaimini or k.p would > > claim the same. Yet overall the rate of success is simliar. Even if > > you speak statistically (in reference to the charts analyzed by sandy > > crowler and statically categorized) there will always be the 1001 or > > 1002 chart which will not obey the law of KAS and will perfectly fit > > into parashara or k.p. I hope you are seeing my point here. It is like > > weather metrology, the weather guy predicts on tv its going to rain > > and assigns a probablity to be on the save end of weather it will > > happen or not so that in either case he is safe. > > > > You have in one posting told me to look at the posting by Gopal where > > jupiter is placed in 10th house with more points and he is finding it > > hard to locate a job. I did go through it and yes KAS tries to fit the > > description well. > > > > But on the other hand I request that you go through the posting by one > > of the other memebers 'Murli' and what was predicted for him never > > came to happen. The poor guy now thinks that he might be haunted by > > black magic. So as you might see there are many postings in the fourm > > where KAS has not worked. In fact just rationally asses and coming > > back to the chart I provided > > > > 12 nov 1951 chart > > > > It seems the direction of the conversation of debt, income and 11th > > house suddnely changed to extra marital affairs and other stuff. What > > I was trying to figure out with the natives chart is inspite of the > > high points in the 11th house as compared to 12th. The person has had > > more expenses than savings, something that came up when I have been > > assessing my own chart and wanted to clarify. > > > > By the way, I am trying to dig up all the old archieves and learn > > whatever I can figure out. Though I could me mistaken again, but it > > sounds to me that we are trying to make the facts fit the theory > > rather than the theory fitting the facts. > > > > In response to your query of timing a mathematical equation to time > > events, my dear ash, life is such a complex creation so complex that > > it is hard for us to figure out ourselves, so how can anyone develop a > > formula that can fit and time events to any certainity. Einstein tried > > to develop a unified field theory and failed. He came up with > > relativity which breaks down at the centre of black holes and he was > > skeptical and apprehensive to quatum mechanics by saying God does not > > play dice. Was he wrong, was he right? ah hard for us to say atleast > > hard for me since I am not that knowledgable being. > > > > So perhaps your KAS formula for timing events is unique but I am sure > > it does not include a correction factor for the nth chart which does > > not obey it. I think it is a futile effort on my part to develop > > formuales to predict life or else the purpose of God as an entity > > would be worthless. > > > > Please don't take me wrong, just trying to put my case forward to the > > claim of KAS as being superior or any other system being inferior or > > less accurate. > > > > Regards > > Vish > > > > , " Ash " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vish, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me ask you some questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) How would you identify if a person will have debt in parasari or > > > jaimini or KP. Here please give concrete scientific answer based on > > > concrete logic and not anything abstract of philosophical. Such rules > > > should be applicable on all charts. So if u are giving me some way > > to find > > > the debt then I should be able to take another chart and apply the > > same / > > > similar rules and get to the perfect answer. > > > > > > 2) What is the meaning of Ashtakavarga? > > > > > > 3) What is meaning of BAV ? > > > > > > 4) What is meaning of SAV? > > > > > > 5) Why is Jupiter considered a benefic and Mars and Saturn are > > natural > > > malefic? Can Ma and Sa never give good results? Can Jupiter never > > give bad > > > result? > > > > > > 6) For timing any event, please give me a concrete mathematical > > approach > > > and you can use any system, to calculate HOW MUCH delay will be > > there. I > > > would like to understand the formula's. I can give you some blind > > chats and > > > u can demonstrate it by giving me a set of concrete and fixed rules > > that can > > > be applied to any chart and I would like to see and understand how > > one can > > > time events. This has to be mathematical and based on concrete rules. > > > > > > 7) Explain to me how we derive the total summary points that you > > see in > > > the worksheet, please give me detailed explanation of each step > involved > > > with understanding. This is given in lessons. Then we can > > understand all > > > that is involved and then we can study > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't take this any other way, but I would like to understand > > your > > > answer and learn from them? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > web links. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Haha, well now that you bring it up, what does the 30+ in lagna equate too invdividualty lol , " harjeet bakshi " <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > i guess i should have stopped looking at 30+ points in lagna.. lol > > , " enigmaoflife21 " > <enigmaoflife21@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anup, > > I honestly must admit that I have next to no knowledge of astrology > > considering the amount of knowledge everyone else seems to have. > > > > Again my intention is not to criticize KAS or come here to discuss the > > important of other systems. It is merely at breaking the notion that > > predicting human life is a very complex phenomena and just > > manipulating bidhus or giving a set of points will not do the trick. > > Ofcourse some preditions will come right and some will go wrong like > > any other system. But the claim by many that nothing is going to go > > wrong or that an equation is going to time and describe life event is > > rather ridiculous and immature I feel. That's all I am standing up for. > > > > You have not hurt me so please feel free to express your thoughts, > > again my rational there is there a billion people in this world and > > everyone has a particular thought if I were to get hurt by every > > thought I would hurt a billion times so no worry's on that front > > dear friend. > > > > Regards > > Vish > > > > > > > > > > , " Anup. M " > > <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vish, > > > It is strange that on the one side you > > are writing that you have little knowledge about astrology and on the > > side you are describing astrology from Prashara to KAS analogy.I wld > > say you are bias while writing all this about KAS.Why not first read > > the archive messages, which were given as a hint in my previous > > mail.Less than 5 mails wld be enough for all this long mail, you wrote.. > > > As a learner of KAS, i never find such a refined and scientific > > system in astrology. > > > I being a science student and knows all about Einstein and his > rules. > > > What he finds in theory of relativity..E=mc2...is still > > applicable( i hope you understand) > > > But can you tell me, how our ancesstor finds the correct timings > > of eclipses in the past > > > and how did they know the correct timings of movement of these > > planets in constellation > > > without the help of any satellite system like in 21st centuary? > > > No you wont have any answer except astrology, i think > > > Even you are diverting the 11th v/s 12th to different subject like > > Einstein. > > > Yes, i am impressed by your knowledge but not by your immaturity. > > > Ash has wisely advised you to go through the lessons and after > > that try to find the > > > wrongs and the rights. > > > Merely on the basis of one or two charts you gave , whose past > > events are not validated, > > > how you can say this system is not good.Even these data's are not > > reliable as these are taken from some sites. I can give you such > > 1000plus charts which might have no answers coz these are not correct > > charts > > > > > > We never twist the things to fit in the system.You might have not > > understood yet coz you are not even a beginer of KAS.I suppose, you > > merely try to compute 11th v/s 12th points in Xcel chart and trying to > > prove that KAS is wrong here as per your points like in books, and > > understanding. > > > Why dont you see other factors? > > > If you are not satisfied then you may proceed for another system > > instead finding faults in KAS .Every rule of KAS is applied uniformaly > > to all charts irrespect of its suitability. > > > We never mould the rules according to the chart . > > > Just try once going thru the lessons and atleast you must be > > knowing mathematics for sure.It will be easy for you really, i mean > this. > > > If you have no time to even read the archive messages and have > > enough time to find reasons and why's as in your mail.Then i am sorry > > nobody can help you. > > > I wanna write more but remember, it is easy to write than > understand. > > > > > > I hope i have not hurt you as it was not my intention unlike you > did. > > > Just take this as a gesture of small advise. > > > > > > Best of luck, > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > enigmaoflife21 <enigmaoflife21@> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I am not as proficient in astrology as you are or any other Guru out > > > there nor claim that astrology is the answer to all questions. As far > > > as I go I treat it as knoweldge and think of astrology or any system > > > there of " as what may happen " and not " what will happen " . > > > > > > In my world, I see that any system weather prashara, Jaimin,K.P or KAS > > > for that matter have been limited in prediction. I think you would be > > > doing unjust to the KAS system if you are trying to claim that it > > > provides 100% accuracy. > > > > > > In a country such as india, with 100s of politicians trying to save > > > their seats, with so many more trying to be rich, and with twice or > > > thrice or perhaps fours times that many more trying to leave a normal > > > life. If any system would be so predictive and accurate it would end > > > up solving everyones problems, from lalu prasad yadav to atal behari > > > when he lost his seat. > > > > > > Again while I consider astrological knoweldge to be unique in its own > > > way. I somehow sense on your part (I could be mistaken) that you are > > > trying to market the KAS system as much more unique, more refined and > > > perhaps 100% accurate and I differ to agree on that and infact most of > > > my posting is doing just that, it is not about me personally doubting > > > your knowledge but just that you some how come to sound as a person > > > who does not want to see the limitations of the system. I think good > > > knowledge can only be shared if we see the limitations of any system > > > and I am sure you will concur that every astrological system has much > > > limitations. > > > > > > Prashara being the oldest was the front runner, then came jaimini with > > > claim thats it was right, then there were other flavours including > > > brigu nadi, finally in the recent past it was K.P with the claim that > > > sub planets and sub lords provide accruate predictions and then there > > > is KAS. I think what will eventually end up happening to the student > > > of astrology is a mixture of all systems and much confusion on what is > > > what (malefic planets will go benefic and vice versa). > > > > > > While you can claim that you have predicted results accurately, I am > > > confident an astrologer of the prashara system or jaimini or k.p would > > > claim the same. Yet overall the rate of success is simliar. Even if > > > you speak statistically (in reference to the charts analyzed by sandy > > > crowler and statically categorized) there will always be the 1001 or > > > 1002 chart which will not obey the law of KAS and will perfectly fit > > > into parashara or k.p. I hope you are seeing my point here. It is like > > > weather metrology, the weather guy predicts on tv its going to rain > > > and assigns a probablity to be on the save end of weather it will > > > happen or not so that in either case he is safe. > > > > > > You have in one posting told me to look at the posting by Gopal where > > > jupiter is placed in 10th house with more points and he is finding it > > > hard to locate a job. I did go through it and yes KAS tries to fit the > > > description well. > > > > > > But on the other hand I request that you go through the posting by one > > > of the other memebers 'Murli' and what was predicted for him never > > > came to happen. The poor guy now thinks that he might be haunted by > > > black magic. So as you might see there are many postings in the fourm > > > where KAS has not worked. In fact just rationally asses and coming > > > back to the chart I provided > > > > > > 12 nov 1951 chart > > > > > > It seems the direction of the conversation of debt, income and 11th > > > house suddnely changed to extra marital affairs and other stuff. What > > > I was trying to figure out with the natives chart is inspite of the > > > high points in the 11th house as compared to 12th. The person has had > > > more expenses than savings, something that came up when I have been > > > assessing my own chart and wanted to clarify. > > > > > > By the way, I am trying to dig up all the old archieves and learn > > > whatever I can figure out. Though I could me mistaken again, but it > > > sounds to me that we are trying to make the facts fit the theory > > > rather than the theory fitting the facts. > > > > > > In response to your query of timing a mathematical equation to time > > > events, my dear ash, life is such a complex creation so complex that > > > it is hard for us to figure out ourselves, so how can anyone develop a > > > formula that can fit and time events to any certainity. Einstein tried > > > to develop a unified field theory and failed. He came up with > > > relativity which breaks down at the centre of black holes and he was > > > skeptical and apprehensive to quatum mechanics by saying God does not > > > play dice. Was he wrong, was he right? ah hard for us to say atleast > > > hard for me since I am not that knowledgable being. > > > > > > So perhaps your KAS formula for timing events is unique but I am sure > > > it does not include a correction factor for the nth chart which does > > > not obey it. I think it is a futile effort on my part to develop > > > formuales to predict life or else the purpose of God as an entity > > > would be worthless. > > > > > > Please don't take me wrong, just trying to put my case forward to the > > > claim of KAS as being superior or any other system being inferior or > > > less accurate. > > > > > > Regards > > > Vish > > > > > > , " Ash " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me ask you some questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) How would you identify if a person will have debt in parasari or > > > > jaimini or KP. Here please give concrete scientific answer based on > > > > concrete logic and not anything abstract of philosophical. Such > rules > > > > should be applicable on all charts. So if u are giving me some way > > > to find > > > > the debt then I should be able to take another chart and apply the > > > same / > > > > similar rules and get to the perfect answer. > > > > > > > > 2) What is the meaning of Ashtakavarga? > > > > > > > > 3) What is meaning of BAV ? > > > > > > > > 4) What is meaning of SAV? > > > > > > > > 5) Why is Jupiter considered a benefic and Mars and Saturn are > > > natural > > > > malefic? Can Ma and Sa never give good results? Can Jupiter never > > > give bad > > > > result? > > > > > > > > 6) For timing any event, please give me a concrete mathematical > > > approach > > > > and you can use any system, to calculate HOW MUCH delay will be > > > there. I > > > > would like to understand the formula's. I can give you some blind > > > chats and > > > > u can demonstrate it by giving me a set of concrete and fixed rules > > > that can > > > > be applied to any chart and I would like to see and understand how > > > one can > > > > time events. This has to be mathematical and based on concrete > rules. > > > > > > > > 7) Explain to me how we derive the total summary points that you > > > see in > > > > the worksheet, please give me detailed explanation of each step > > involved > > > > with understanding. This is given in lessons. Then we can > > > understand all > > > > that is involved and then we can study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't take this any other way, but I would like to understand > > > your > > > > answer and learn from them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > > web links. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Dear Vish, Now "skin- effect" is showing up on you.I use this scientifical words as you gave me the scientifical examples in previous mail.I wish you write any of your mail after reading lessons.Rather i tried my best to gave you message numbers, lesson numbers etc. Dear Frd, why billions ppl in the world wld affect a "single body" without having any resonance or frequency for this? I am really seeing that you wld be learning this system very keenly as you seems exhausted with your logics.And i wish you cld be one of us from whom i can ask my confusions and see you attempting some charts over here:) After all, why most of the ppl come to astrologers from the backdoor and not showing to this world. Best wishes,Vish:) Anup enigmaoflife21 <enigmaoflife21 wrote: Dear Anup, I honestly must admit that I have next to no knowledge of astrologyconsidering the amount of knowledge everyone else seems to have. Again my intention is not to criticize KAS or come here to discuss theimportant of other systems. It is merely at breaking the notion that predicting human life is a very complex phenomena and justmanipulating bidhus or giving a set of points will not do the trick.Ofcourse some preditions will come right and some will go wrong likeany other system. But the claim by many that nothing is going to gowrong or that an equation is going to time and describe life event israther ridiculous and immature I feel. That's all I am standing up for. You have not hurt me so please feel free to express your thoughts,again my rational there is there a billion people in this world andeveryone has a particular thought if I were to get hurt by everythought I would hurt a billion times so no worry's on that frontdear friend.RegardsVish , "Anup. M"<dalh_1 wrote:>> Dear Vish,> It is strange that on the one side youare writing that you have little knowledge about astrology and on theside you are describing astrology from Prashara to KAS analogy.I wldsay you are bias while writing all this about KAS.Why not first readthe archive messages, which were given as a hint in my previousmail.Less than 5 mails wld be enough for all this long mail, you wrote..> As a learner of KAS, i never find such a refined and scientificsystem in astrology.> I being a science student and knows all about Einstein and his rules.> What he finds in theory of relativity..E=mc2...is stillapplicable( i hope you understand)> But can you tell me, how our ancesstor finds the correct timingsof eclipses in the past> and how did they know the correct timings of movement of theseplanets in constellation> without the help of any satellite system like in 21st centuary?> No you wont have any answer except astrology, i think> Even you are diverting the 11th v/s 12th to different subject likeEinstein.> Yes, i am impressed by your knowledge but not by your immaturity.> Ash has wisely advised you to go through the lessons and afterthat try to find the > wrongs and the rights.> Merely on the basis of one or two charts you gave , whose pastevents are not validated,> how you can say this system is not good.Even these data's are notreliable as these are taken from some sites. I can give you such1000plus charts which might have no answers coz these are not correctcharts> > We never twist the things to fit in the system.You might have notunderstood yet coz you are not even a beginer of KAS.I suppose, youmerely try to compute 11th v/s 12th points in Xcel chart and trying toprove that KAS is wrong here as per your points like in books, andunderstanding.> Why dont you see other factors?> If you are not satisfied then you may proceed for another systeminstead finding faults in KAS .Every rule of KAS is applied uniformalyto all charts irrespect of its suitability.> We never mould the rules according to the chart .> Just try once going thru the lessons and atleast you must beknowing mathematics for sure.It will be easy for you really, i mean this.> If you have no time to even read the archive messages and haveenough time to find reasons and why's as in your mail.Then i am sorrynobody can help you.> I wanna write more but remember, it is easy to write than understand.> > I hope i have not hurt you as it was not my intention unlike you did.> Just take this as a gesture of small advise.> > Best of luck,> Anup> > > > enigmaoflife21 <enigmaoflife21 wrote:> Dear Ash, > > I am not as proficient in astrology as you are or any other Guru out> there nor claim that astrology is the answer to all questions. As far> as I go I treat it as knoweldge and think of astrology or any system> there of "as what may happen" and not "what will happen". > > In my world, I see that any system weather prashara, Jaimin,K.P or KAS> for that matter have been limited in prediction. I think you would be> doing unjust to the KAS system if you are trying to claim that it> provides 100% accuracy. > > In a country such as india, with 100s of politicians trying to save> their seats, with so many more trying to be rich, and with twice or> thrice or perhaps fours times that many more trying to leave a normal> life. If any system would be so predictive and accurate it would end> up solving everyones problems, from lalu prasad yadav to atal behari> when he lost his seat. > > Again while I consider astrological knoweldge to be unique in its own> way. I somehow sense on your part (I could be mistaken) that you are> trying to market the KAS system as much more unique, more refined and> perhaps 100% accurate and I differ to agree on that and infact most of> my posting is doing just that, it is not about me personally doubting> your knowledge but just that you some how come to sound as a person> who does not want to see the limitations of the system. I think good> knowledge can only be shared if we see the limitations of any system> and I am sure you will concur that every astrological system has much> limitations. > > Prashara being the oldest was the front runner, then came jaimini with> claim thats it was right, then there were other flavours including> brigu nadi, finally in the recent past it was K.P with the claim that> sub planets and sub lords provide accruate predictions and then there> is KAS. I think what will eventually end up happening to the student> of astrology is a mixture of all systems and much confusion on what is> what (malefic planets will go benefic and vice versa). > > While you can claim that you have predicted results accurately, I am> confident an astrologer of the prashara system or jaimini or k.p would> claim the same. Yet overall the rate of success is simliar. Even if> you speak statistically (in reference to the charts analyzed by sandy> crowler and statically categorized) there will always be the 1001 or> 1002 chart which will not obey the law of KAS and will perfectly fit> into parashara or k.p. I hope you are seeing my point here. It is like> weather metrology, the weather guy predicts on tv its going to rain> and assigns a probablity to be on the save end of weather it will> happen or not so that in either case he is safe. > > You have in one posting told me to look at the posting by Gopal where> jupiter is placed in 10th house with more points and he is finding it> hard to locate a job. I did go through it and yes KAS tries to fit the> description well. > > But on the other hand I request that you go through the posting by one> of the other memebers 'Murli' and what was predicted for him never> came to happen. The poor guy now thinks that he might be haunted by> black magic. So as you might see there are many postings in the fourm> where KAS has not worked. In fact just rationally asses and coming> back to the chart I provided > > 12 nov 1951 chart > > It seems the direction of the conversation of debt, income and 11th> house suddnely changed to extra marital affairs and other stuff. What> I was trying to figure out with the natives chart is inspite of the> high points in the 11th house as compared to 12th. The person has had> more expenses than savings, something that came up when I have been> assessing my own chart and wanted to clarify. > > By the way, I am trying to dig up all the old archieves and learn> whatever I can figure out. Though I could me mistaken again, but it> sounds to me that we are trying to make the facts fit the theory> rather than the theory fitting the facts. > > In response to your query of timing a mathematical equation to time> events, my dear ash, life is such a complex creation so complex that> it is hard for us to figure out ourselves, so how can anyone develop a> formula that can fit and time events to any certainity. Einstein tried> to develop a unified field theory and failed. He came up with> relativity which breaks down at the centre of black holes and he was> skeptical and apprehensive to quatum mechanics by saying God does not> play dice. Was he wrong, was he right? ah hard for us to say atleast> hard for me since I am not that knowledgable being. > > So perhaps your KAS formula for timing events is unique but I am sure> it does not include a correction factor for the nth chart which does> not obey it. I think it is a futile effort on my part to develop> formuales to predict life or else the purpose of God as an entity> would be worthless. > > Please don't take me wrong, just trying to put my case forward to the> claim of KAS as being superior or any other system being inferior or> less accurate. > > Regards> Vish > > , "Ash" <kas@> wrote:> >> > Dear Vish,> > > > > > > > Let me ask you some questions.> > > > > > > > 1) How would you identify if a person will have debt in parasari or> > jaimini or KP. Here please give concrete scientific answer based on> > concrete logic and not anything abstract of philosophical. Such rules> > should be applicable on all charts. So if u are giving me some way> to find> > the debt then I should be able to take another chart and apply the> same /> > similar rules and get to the perfect answer. > > > > 2) What is the meaning of Ashtakavarga? > > > > 3) What is meaning of BAV ? > > > > 4) What is meaning of SAV?> > > > 5) Why is Jupiter considered a benefic and Mars and Saturn are> natural> > malefic? Can Ma and Sa never give good results? Can Jupiter never> give bad> > result? > > > > 6) For timing any event, please give me a concrete mathematical> approach> > and you can use any system, to calculate HOW MUCH delay will be> there. I> > would like to understand the formula's. I can give you some blind> chats and> > u can demonstrate it by giving me a set of concrete and fixed rules> that can> > be applied to any chart and I would like to see and understand how> one can> > time events. This has to be mathematical and based on concrete rules.> > > > 7) Explain to me how we derive the total summary points that you> see in> > the worksheet, please give me detailed explanation of each stepinvolved> > with understanding. This is given in lessons. Then we can> understand all> > that is involved and then we can study > > > > > > > > Please don't take this any other way, but I would like to understand> your> > answer and learn from them?> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > _____> >> > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, notweb links.> Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Dear Anup, Let me give you an honest breakdown of the way I precieve astrology and it is with a philosophical - scientific approach. This is the way I see the use of astrology and the way it works. Ofcourse I am going to find opposition to my view but nonetheless here it goes. It is a very simple two step procedure. 1. Take the basic fundamental rules of astrology (exhalation, deb) houses, planets their nature. 2. Pray to God that what I am predicting about someone is not for the profit of money, nor for my self esteem or ego and is completely unconditional and to give me enough INTUITIONAL sense along with the basic fundamentals to predict a chart. Thats it, it works well Intution is a the single important paramater in astrology that no one really care to assess. Thats why only a few astrologers are good astrologers and in fact there are a few who can predict without looking at charts, merely intution. But it all has to be in good will, without profits or materialistic gains or without an urge to shoot up to fame. I have always had a hard time understanding why people are coming up with so many systems and complicating the very essence of astrology. On the logical side as hinsenburg but it " It is impossible to precisely calculate the speed and the position of a sub atomic particle with any certainty " You can only calculate one thing at a time. On applying this to the system of astrology a simple addendum arises. While most of us are able to predict the past with accuracy or i should say higher probablity. This is not the case with the future, the probablity drastically falls. Why because we are interfering on the cosmic level with a basic force and by estimating the future we are inadvertanly chaning the future. This brings a drastic drop in the probablity of predicting future events. We though ingnore this basic problem simply because we as students of astrology feel that it would a blow to our knoweldge and we would refuse to accept that this is possible. I am not claming that nothing about the future would come true. Some pointers might (that is pure chance) but there are many which don't. Talking of pure chance, astrology is not needed. There are intutions (gut feelings) as well about what is going to happen in the future if we are sensitive enough to hear them. The other point of enigma is the choice of words an astrologer uses, they are selected in such a way that either senerio sounds probable and there is always a way out for him. That's why my plain question to you would be, give me the next numbers for a lottery and I will believe that the highly mathematical approach is accurate. If not then I would say it is like any other system. Thanks for the posting numbers I have tried and must admit that I fail to understand the concepts simply because they are applicable at some points and non applicable at others. When I ask a question I end up getting reffered to archives. The reason for faliure is because I have put my intuation at rest considering this is a mathematical system and I am learning it from the stand point of an equation which is suppose to provide all answers (timing of events) accurately. If it does not I end up thinking that its no different from the other systems and just another offshoot. regards Vish regards Vish , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Vish, > Now " skin- effect " is showing up on you.I use this scientifical words as you gave me the scientifical examples in previous mail.I wish you write any of your mail after reading lessons.Rather i tried my best to gave you message numbers, lesson numbers etc. > Dear Frd, why billions ppl in the world wld affect a " single body " without having any resonance or frequency for this? > I am really seeing that you wld be learning this system very keenly as you seems exhausted with your logics.And i wish you cld be one of us from whom i can ask > my confusions and see you attempting some charts over here:) > After all, why most of the ppl come to astrologers from the backdoor and not showing to this world. > Best wishes,Vish:) > Anup > > > > > enigmaoflife21 <enigmaoflife21 wrote: > Dear Anup, > I honestly must admit that I have next to no knowledge of astrology > considering the amount of knowledge everyone else seems to have. > > Again my intention is not to criticize KAS or come here to discuss the > important of other systems. It is merely at breaking the notion that > predicting human life is a very complex phenomena and just > manipulating bidhus or giving a set of points will not do the trick. > Ofcourse some preditions will come right and some will go wrong like > any other system. But the claim by many that nothing is going to go > wrong or that an equation is going to time and describe life event is > rather ridiculous and immature I feel. That's all I am standing up for. > > You have not hurt me so please feel free to express your thoughts, > again my rational there is there a billion people in this world and > everyone has a particular thought if I were to get hurt by every > thought I would hurt a billion times so no worry's on that front > dear friend. > > Regards > Vish > > , " Anup. M " > <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vish, > > It is strange that on the one side you > are writing that you have little knowledge about astrology and on the > side you are describing astrology from Prashara to KAS analogy.I wld > say you are bias while writing all this about KAS.Why not first read > the archive messages, which were given as a hint in my previous > mail.Less than 5 mails wld be enough for all this long mail, you wrote.. > > As a learner of KAS, i never find such a refined and scientific > system in astrology. > > I being a science student and knows all about Einstein and his rules. > > What he finds in theory of relativity..E=mc2...is still > applicable( i hope you understand) > > But can you tell me, how our ancesstor finds the correct timings > of eclipses in the past > > and how did they know the correct timings of movement of these > planets in constellation > > without the help of any satellite system like in 21st centuary? > > No you wont have any answer except astrology, i think > > Even you are diverting the 11th v/s 12th to different subject like > Einstein. > > Yes, i am impressed by your knowledge but not by your immaturity. > > Ash has wisely advised you to go through the lessons and after > that try to find the > > wrongs and the rights. > > Merely on the basis of one or two charts you gave , whose past > events are not validated, > > how you can say this system is not good.Even these data's are not > reliable as these are taken from some sites. I can give you such > 1000plus charts which might have no answers coz these are not correct > charts > > > > We never twist the things to fit in the system.You might have not > understood yet coz you are not even a beginer of KAS.I suppose, you > merely try to compute 11th v/s 12th points in Xcel chart and trying to > prove that KAS is wrong here as per your points like in books, and > understanding. > > Why dont you see other factors? > > If you are not satisfied then you may proceed for another system > instead finding faults in KAS .Every rule of KAS is applied uniformaly > to all charts irrespect of its suitability. > > We never mould the rules according to the chart . > > Just try once going thru the lessons and atleast you must be > knowing mathematics for sure.It will be easy for you really, i mean this. > > If you have no time to even read the archive messages and have > enough time to find reasons and why's as in your mail.Then i am sorry > nobody can help you. > > I wanna write more but remember, it is easy to write than understand. > > > > I hope i have not hurt you as it was not my intention unlike you did. > > Just take this as a gesture of small advise. > > > > Best of luck, > > Anup > > > > > > > > enigmaoflife21 <enigmaoflife21@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > I am not as proficient in astrology as you are or any other Guru out > > there nor claim that astrology is the answer to all questions. As far > > as I go I treat it as knoweldge and think of astrology or any system > > there of " as what may happen " and not " what will happen " . > > > > In my world, I see that any system weather prashara, Jaimin,K.P or KAS > > for that matter have been limited in prediction. I think you would be > > doing unjust to the KAS system if you are trying to claim that it > > provides 100% accuracy. > > > > In a country such as india, with 100s of politicians trying to save > > their seats, with so many more trying to be rich, and with twice or > > thrice or perhaps fours times that many more trying to leave a normal > > life. If any system would be so predictive and accurate it would end > > up solving everyones problems, from lalu prasad yadav to atal behari > > when he lost his seat. > > > > Again while I consider astrological knoweldge to be unique in its own > > way. I somehow sense on your part (I could be mistaken) that you are > > trying to market the KAS system as much more unique, more refined and > > perhaps 100% accurate and I differ to agree on that and infact most of > > my posting is doing just that, it is not about me personally doubting > > your knowledge but just that you some how come to sound as a person > > who does not want to see the limitations of the system. I think good > > knowledge can only be shared if we see the limitations of any system > > and I am sure you will concur that every astrological system has much > > limitations. > > > > Prashara being the oldest was the front runner, then came jaimini with > > claim thats it was right, then there were other flavours including > > brigu nadi, finally in the recent past it was K.P with the claim that > > sub planets and sub lords provide accruate predictions and then there > > is KAS. I think what will eventually end up happening to the student > > of astrology is a mixture of all systems and much confusion on what is > > what (malefic planets will go benefic and vice versa). > > > > While you can claim that you have predicted results accurately, I am > > confident an astrologer of the prashara system or jaimini or k.p would > > claim the same. Yet overall the rate of success is simliar. Even if > > you speak statistically (in reference to the charts analyzed by sandy > > crowler and statically categorized) there will always be the 1001 or > > 1002 chart which will not obey the law of KAS and will perfectly fit > > into parashara or k.p. I hope you are seeing my point here. It is like > > weather metrology, the weather guy predicts on tv its going to rain > > and assigns a probablity to be on the save end of weather it will > > happen or not so that in either case he is safe. > > > > You have in one posting told me to look at the posting by Gopal where > > jupiter is placed in 10th house with more points and he is finding it > > hard to locate a job. I did go through it and yes KAS tries to fit the > > description well. > > > > But on the other hand I request that you go through the posting by one > > of the other memebers 'Murli' and what was predicted for him never > > came to happen. The poor guy now thinks that he might be haunted by > > black magic. So as you might see there are many postings in the fourm > > where KAS has not worked. In fact just rationally asses and coming > > back to the chart I provided > > > > 12 nov 1951 chart > > > > It seems the direction of the conversation of debt, income and 11th > > house suddnely changed to extra marital affairs and other stuff. What > > I was trying to figure out with the natives chart is inspite of the > > high points in the 11th house as compared to 12th. The person has had > > more expenses than savings, something that came up when I have been > > assessing my own chart and wanted to clarify. > > > > By the way, I am trying to dig up all the old archieves and learn > > whatever I can figure out. Though I could me mistaken again, but it > > sounds to me that we are trying to make the facts fit the theory > > rather than the theory fitting the facts. > > > > In response to your query of timing a mathematical equation to time > > events, my dear ash, life is such a complex creation so complex that > > it is hard for us to figure out ourselves, so how can anyone develop a > > formula that can fit and time events to any certainity. Einstein tried > > to develop a unified field theory and failed. He came up with > > relativity which breaks down at the centre of black holes and he was > > skeptical and apprehensive to quatum mechanics by saying God does not > > play dice. Was he wrong, was he right? ah hard for us to say atleast > > hard for me since I am not that knowledgable being. > > > > So perhaps your KAS formula for timing events is unique but I am sure > > it does not include a correction factor for the nth chart which does > > not obey it. I think it is a futile effort on my part to develop > > formuales to predict life or else the purpose of God as an entity > > would be worthless. > > > > Please don't take me wrong, just trying to put my case forward to the > > claim of KAS as being superior or any other system being inferior or > > less accurate. > > > > Regards > > Vish > > > > , " Ash " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vish, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me ask you some questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) How would you identify if a person will have debt in parasari or > > > jaimini or KP. Here please give concrete scientific answer based on > > > concrete logic and not anything abstract of philosophical. Such rules > > > should be applicable on all charts. So if u are giving me some way > > to find > > > the debt then I should be able to take another chart and apply the > > same / > > > similar rules and get to the perfect answer. > > > > > > 2) What is the meaning of Ashtakavarga? > > > > > > 3) What is meaning of BAV ? > > > > > > 4) What is meaning of SAV? > > > > > > 5) Why is Jupiter considered a benefic and Mars and Saturn are > > natural > > > malefic? Can Ma and Sa never give good results? Can Jupiter never > > give bad > > > result? > > > > > > 6) For timing any event, please give me a concrete mathematical > > approach > > > and you can use any system, to calculate HOW MUCH delay will be > > there. I > > > would like to understand the formula's. I can give you some blind > > chats and > > > u can demonstrate it by giving me a set of concrete and fixed rules > > that can > > > be applied to any chart and I would like to see and understand how > > one can > > > time events. This has to be mathematical and based on concrete rules. > > > > > > 7) Explain to me how we derive the total summary points that you > > see in > > > the worksheet, please give me detailed explanation of each step > involved > > > with understanding. This is given in lessons. Then we can > > understand all > > > that is involved and then we can study > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't take this any other way, but I would like to understand > > your > > > answer and learn from them? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not > web links. > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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