Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Dear Ash Recently I spent some time in reading facts on Jain Tirthankars. Contrary to most jyotish opinion on krishna / shukla paksha Moon (where krishna paksha moon is considered malefic / weak etc), all tirthankars were borne in krishna paksha, had diksha in krishna paksha, and got the " keval gyan " in krishna paksha. Not only spiritually, they all were chakravrati samrats, so they had best of materialistic levels, when they denounced the world. Moon's natal degree is very vital and planetary movements in all bhavas at those degrees, are capable of trigerring significant events (just like what we say about transit close to bhava madhya). I have tested this for few years, and have seen it working brilliantly (though with additional method by taking degree of the lord of bhava for event). Also, planetary placement from natal moon in natal chart holds the key for them. for example - shani in 3,6,11 from natal moon is capable of delivering best of the results (even if badly placed in natal chart). Moon and janam lagna have been given equal importance for transit, dasha and chart configuration. After maturity age of moon, chart must always be read from moon and janma lagna - for any event fructification. Satyacharya has hinted that - even dasha should be calculated from lagna / sun / moon - depending upon their strength. I tried to dig this issue from these respective strengths (shadbala etc), but could not reach to a conclusion. Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; few says consider the number of planets influencing all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net " Good judgement comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgement. " ************************************************ > > kas > Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:27:57 -0400 > > RE: Fwd: Marriage > > Dear Satish, > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > > > I am still not clear on the methodology to follow. > > > > As per your mail, we should see > > > > 1) Moon if its unccha i.e. in Taurus > > 2) If Moon is with more planets > > > > > > What happens if Ra is with Mo or Ketu? As per some books it can either > be > very bad as it spoils the mind makes one obsessive and at in some other > time > it might be called shakti yog which might give exceptional powers. So in > such case what to do or how to consider Moon. Lets say Mo in Ta and with > Ra > or Ketu. > > > > I do not have the book of V.D Bhatt, if he has given us some methodology > to > judge which to take or how to systematically compare i.e. what steps to > follow systematically then it will be great. > > > > I am not clear on what is meant when you said that chart works well? I > thought once u select Mo or Lagna or Sun then we should follow that? Is > there any reason why this changes w.r.t age ? > > > > Is some comparison given for evaluating Sun as well i.e to choose the > most > powerful from Lagna , Moon or Sun? > > > > Yes, thanks for the translating the Sanskrit shoke its appreciated. > > > > If you get a chance, can you please give a step by step approach for > proper > selection of the stronger of Lagna, Sun or Moon please it will be great. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ps: I will reply to your query on the chart in my next mail. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of SPK > Tuesday August 28, 2007 7:13 PM > > RE: Fwd: Marriage > > > > Dear Ash, > > As per parashara one has to judge the chart from lagna > or moon whichever is stronger. Some also look at it > from the Sun. But moon is the fastest moving graha in > the zodiac and it is a important and sensitive point > in the chart. As it is said > " Yatha Manasthiti Thatha Paristhisti " > > Literally meaning, the physical circumtances are a > reflection of the mental circumstances. > > If the moon is severlely afflicted all the rajayogas > and dhana yogas can come to a nought. Many times if > moon has more planets with it or is exalted then it > takes precedence over lagna. After the age of 30-32 ( > maturity of moon) the chart works equally well from > moon. Some charts work the best from moon. Sometimes > events can be used to see which chart is dominating. > > V.D Bhat in his books have given many examples of > similar looking charts except position of moon and how > it changes the entire picture. > > Satish > > P.S. > > In the chart under discussion, I mentioned about > shukra dasha but realized that it is aspecting house > B. Can LoD and LoE give results even if they aspect > houses A,B, or C ? How eager is NK to give the result > of house B ? > > --- Ash <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > wrote: > >> Dear Satish, >> >> >> >> I have a question. Under what circumstance will you >> check from Moon instead >> of Lagna or Sun. >> >> >> >> There are things like Blessings, lagna and 7th and >> also from mo and sun and >> their 7th etc we are checking also for say >> intelligence we do check lagna su >> and mo in which dreshkon, trishansa and navamsa they >> fall in. >> >> >> >> For timing of event, In one or two cases, I have >> seen Krushanji asking me to >> check from Moon as well but that was particularly in >> case of Death. >> >> >> >> So I am curious to know if you follow any fixed >> procedure for that i.e to >> select the timing from Lagna, Sun or Moon or what >> procedure do u follow or >> if u have come across this in particular VA texts, >> you can write a bit on >> that. It will be good learning. >> >> >> >> Can you please write a bit more on that. >> >> >> >> Cheers !!! >> >> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca >> >> _____ >> >> astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents >> [astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents ] > On >> Behalf Of SPK >> Tuesday August 28, 2007 3:16 PM >> astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents >> RE: Fwd: >> Marriage >> >> >> >> Dear Ash,Ramesh, Anup, >> >> When you say DBCE points, Which house you are >> referring to ? >> >> Is there a Ju delay ? I do not see it. >> >> From traditional VA. Look at the chart from moon. >> And >> 7th from moon is spoilt. Sun, Ketu and aspect of >> shani. >> Shukra is spoiled as being in papakartari between >> shani and mangal. >> >> How do you get Shukra as FK for this chart ? >> >> I wouldn't be suprised if the native finds someone >> in >> shani -shukra dasha. What transpired in guru-shukra >> ? >> 95-97 time frame ? >> >> Satish >> >> P.S. Do not have enough data to say the lagna should >> be sagi or capri. I go by what is given and take >> capri >> lagna. >> >> If it is sagi lagna it will put lagna lord in 8th >> and >> retro. How is overall health of the native ? >> --- Ash <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> >> <kas%40ashtro.ca> >> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Ramesh and Anup, >>> >>> >>> >>> When the Karak is very spoilt then that might >> spoil >>> the event or deny it or >>> delay it very much in life. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here just check the status of Venus. Also Ve is in >>> nak of Sun, its distance >>> to Sun is 45 and Ve is with Sa and Sa aspects a >>> luminiary. Ve is FK for >>> marriage is very spoilt. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other things regarding the validity of birth time >> I >>> haven't been able to >>> check due to lack of time. But I just wanted to >>> point this out to you that >>> first things we must check the Karaks. That >>> controls the status of house B. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also as per Cap her DBCE points are in rising >> order, >>> which is not so with >>> Sag. So also confirm that. Other things you all >>> can figure out between >>> yourselfs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other good points u have written are influence of >>> 6th lord etc are very nice >>> and well covered. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you want to do a full rectification then u >> should >>> get more data and try >>> to study it closely. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers !!! >>> >>> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> >> ca> http://www.ashtro. >> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> astrologyandtiminge >> <%40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com >>> [astrologyandtiminge >> <%40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com] >> On >>> Behalf Of ramesh mishra >>> Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:49 AM >>> >>> Fwd: >>> Marriage >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear List Members, >>> >>> Please look into this chart and find out the cause >>> of non-marital issue till >>> now. >>> >>> As Anup amended the TOB and changed the Asc from >> Cp >>> to Sg. The Sagi >>> asc.comes correct as per the co-incident. >>> >>> What is seen in the chart is given hereunder. >>> >>> 1. The 7th lord from Lagna, Sun and Mo is 6/8, 6/8 >>> and 2/12 >>> >>> 2. Su to Ve distance is > 43 >>> >>> 3.Ve is 6th lord and occupy house A for 7th >> matter. >>> >>> 4. All the significant houses viz. A,B and C are >>> influenced by 6th lord >>> either through occupation, conjunction or by >>> occupation in the navamsa of >>> 6th lord. >>> >>> 5. Su is aspected by Sa. >>> >>> 6. No blessings are present in the chart. >>> >>> 7.There is combined delay in the chart caused by >> Sa >>> and Ju both. But this >>> delay is also moderated due to the aspect of Ju on >>> Sa. But this moderation >> > === message truncated === > > ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play > Sims Stories at Games. > http://sims. <http://sims./> / __________ KEEP SPYWARE OFF YOUR COMPUTER - Protect your computer with Spyware Terminator! 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Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Dear Prafulla, Thanks for your detailed mail. My reply below yours. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Prafulla Gang Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:05 PM off the list // moon's strength Dear Ash Recently I spent some time in reading facts on Jain Tirthankars. Contrary to most jyotish opinion on krishna / shukla paksha Moon (where krishna paksha moon is considered malefic / weak etc), all tirthankars were borne in krishna paksha, had diksha in krishna paksha, and got the " keval gyan " in krishna paksha. Not only spiritually, they all were chakravrati samrats, so they had best of materialistic levels, when they denounced the world. Ash : Thanks for this information. I shall study this in a future date. Moon's natal degree is very vital and planetary movements in all bhavas at those degrees, are capable of trigerring significant events (just like what we say about transit close to bhava madhya). I have tested this for few years, and have seen it working brilliantly (though with additional method by taking degree of the lord of bhava for event). Also, planetary placement from natal moon in natal chart holds the key for them. for example - shani in 3,6,11 from natal moon is capable of delivering best of the results (even if badly placed in natal chart). Ash : As per KAS we are considering the transit of Sun to furnish event. Moon’s transit get covered along with all other planet in daily points. If you see in the KAS program, when planets go into their upachaya position we say its better so we highlight those as Greens. Transit planets in 12th from NT planets are marked in Red. This is in the North or South Indian Rasi and Navamsa chart page towards the bottom. Even transit of planets w.r.t to others get covered in the SAV and in addition we do consider the transit of planet w.r.t bindu for example Sa and Ju points, Mars and Sa transit over 0 points etc, so all yogs are also covered. So that way we do not have to cover it separately. Yes transit of Sun is most important for timing of event which u know we use. So Transit of Saturn in 3rd, 6th and 11th from NT Mo it is good you said, now just check the SAV and in Moon’s BAV if you will notice, From Moon, Saturn makes a favorable yog if its in 3rd, 5th, 6th and 11th house. You have covered 3rd, 6th and 11th and as per BAV even Sa in 5th house is good. So this is covered as well, and it means that Saturn is good in these places / House from Moon. So unknowingly all this is already covered when we are doing KAS. Its just a matter of understanding how we are covering all this. Moon and janam lagna have been given equal importance for transit, dasha and chart configuration. After maturity age of moon, chart must always be read from moon and janma lagna - for any event fructification. Satyacharya has hinted that - even dasha should be calculated from lagna / sun / moon - depending upon their strength. I tried to dig this issue from these respective strengths (shadbala etc), but could not reach to a conclusion. Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; few says consider the number of planets influencing all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. Ash : What I am looking for is a systematic approach on how to find out which is stronger i.e. Lagna, Sun or Moon. I mean what or in what order does one calculate and judge if Lagna is stronger, or is Moon stronger or if Sun is stronger. What are the over riding factors to consider. That is what I am looking for. Say if a chart comes to you, then what steps do u take to compute and in what order would u calculate it in your mind i.e what factors do u weigh and in what order to confirm that which of the 3 is stronger. Is there some text or given somewhere or some author and Satish said that VD Bhatt has alluded to it with examples, so I am looking for the steps in a systematic manner to proceed to judge which of the 3 is stronger. As per KAS, the dasha is calculated only from Moon and we follow only Vimshottari dasha and for timing of event its from the WS. Now the power remains same i.e. the WS power, however in some cases, and particularly in a few example when I was confused, I had asked Krushanji and he had just told me “Ash, study from Moon” and when I checked from Moon, that particular event which was death Matched accurately. Now, I am trying to study this further, and trying to judge on the procedure on how to judge. So if you or Satish or others on the list who have have access to various classics and books that are even out of print, if someone can summarize on how to judge which is stronger of the 3 viz-a-viz, Su, Mo or Lagna it will be helpful to me in my studies. Ash : Yes one more thing Prafulla, as per KAS, if Tr planet is in upachaya from NT planet we say its good and it’s marked Green in the KAS program. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net " Good judgement comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgement. " ************************************************ Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > kas > Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:27:57 -0400 > > RE: Fwd: Marriage > > Dear Satish, > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > > > I am still not clear on the methodology to follow. > > > > As per your mail, we should see > > > > 1) Moon if its unccha i.e. in Taurus > > 2) If Moon is with more planets > > > > > > What happens if Ra is with Mo or Ketu? As per some books it can either > be > very bad as it spoils the mind makes one obsessive and at in some other > time > it might be called shakti yog which might give exceptional powers. So in > such case what to do or how to consider Moon. Lets say Mo in Ta and with > Ra > or Ketu. > > > > I do not have the book of V.D Bhatt, if he has given us some methodology > to > judge which to take or how to systematically compare i.e. what steps to > follow systematically then it will be great. > > > > I am not clear on what is meant when you said that chart works well? I > thought once u select Mo or Lagna or Sun then we should follow that? Is > there any reason why this changes w.r.t age ? > > > > Is some comparison given for evaluating Sun as well i.e to choose the > most > powerful from Lagna , Moon or Sun? > > > > Yes, thanks for the translating the Sanskrit shoke its appreciated. > > > > If you get a chance, can you please give a step by step approach for > proper > selection of the stronger of Lagna, Sun or Moon please it will be great. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ps: I will reply to your query on the chart in my next mail. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of SPK > Tuesday August 28, 2007 7:13 PM > > RE: Fwd: Marriage > > > > Dear Ash, > > As per parashara one has to judge the chart from lagna > or moon whichever is stronger. Some also look at it > from the Sun. But moon is the fastest moving graha in > the zodiac and it is a important and sensitive point > in the chart. As it is said > " Yatha Manasthiti Thatha Paristhisti " > > Literally meaning, the physical circumtances are a > reflection of the mental circumstances. > > If the moon is severlely afflicted all the rajayogas > and dhana yogas can come to a nought. Many times if > moon has more planets with it or is exalted then it > takes precedence over lagna. After the age of 30-32 ( > maturity of moon) the chart works equally well from > moon. Some charts work the best from moon. Sometimes > events can be used to see which chart is dominating. > > V.D Bhat in his books have given many examples of > similar looking charts except position of moon and how > it changes the entire picture. > > Satish > > P.S. > > In the chart under discussion, I mentioned about > shukra dasha but realized that it is aspecting house > B. Can LoD and LoE give results even if they aspect > houses A,B, or C ? How eager is NK to give the result > of house B ? > > --- Ash <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > wrote: > >> Dear Satish, >> >> >> >> I have a question. Under what circumstance will you >> check from Moon instead >> of Lagna or Sun. >> >> >> >> There are things like Blessings, lagna and 7th and >> also from mo and sun and >> their 7th etc we are checking also for say >> intelligence we do check lagna su >> and mo in which dreshkon, trishansa and navamsa they >> fall in. >> >> >> >> For timing of event, In one or two cases, I have >> seen Krushanji asking me to >> check from Moon as well but that was particularly in >> case of Death. >> >> >> >> So I am curious to know if you follow any fixed >> procedure for that i.e to >> select the timing from Lagna, Sun or Moon or what >> procedure do u follow or >> if u have come across this in particular VA texts, >> you can write a bit on >> that. It will be good learning. >> >> >> >> Can you please write a bit more on that. >> >> >> >> Cheers !!! >> >> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca >> >> _____ >> >> astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents >> [astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents ] > On >> Behalf Of SPK >> Tuesday August 28, 2007 3:16 PM >> astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents >> RE: Fwd: >> Marriage >> >> >> >> Dear Ash,Ramesh, Anup, >> >> When you say DBCE points, Which house you are >> referring to ? >> >> Is there a Ju delay ? I do not see it. >> >> From traditional VA. Look at the chart from moon. >> And >> 7th from moon is spoilt. Sun, Ketu and aspect of >> shani. >> Shukra is spoiled as being in papakartari between >> shani and mangal. >> >> How do you get Shukra as FK for this chart ? >> >> I wouldn't be suprised if the native finds someone >> in >> shani -shukra dasha. What transpired in guru-shukra >> ? >> 95-97 time frame ? >> >> Satish >> >> P.S. Do not have enough data to say the lagna should >> be sagi or capri. I go by what is given and take >> capri >> lagna. >> >> If it is sagi lagna it will put lagna lord in 8th >> and >> retro. How is overall health of the native ? >> --- Ash <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> >> <kas%40ashtro.ca> >> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Ramesh and Anup, >>> >>> >>> >>> When the Karak is very spoilt then that might >> spoil >>> the event or deny it or >>> delay it very much in life. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here just check the status of Venus. Also Ve is in >>> nak of Sun, its distance >>> to Sun is 45 and Ve is with Sa and Sa aspects a >>> luminiary. Ve is FK for >>> marriage is very spoilt. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other things regarding the validity of birth time >> I >>> haven't been able to >>> check due to lack of time. But I just wanted to >>> point this out to you that >>> first things we must check the Karaks. That >>> controls the status of house B. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also as per Cap her DBCE points are in rising >> order, >>> which is not so with >>> Sag. So also confirm that. Other things you all >>> can figure out between >>> yourselfs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other good points u have written are influence of >>> 6th lord etc are very nice >>> and well covered. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you want to do a full rectification then u >> should >>> get more data and try >>> to study it closely. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers !!! >>> >>> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> >> ca> http://www.ashtro. >> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> astrologyandtiminge >> <%40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com >>> [astrologyandtiminge >> <%40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com] >> On >>> Behalf Of ramesh mishra >>> Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:49 AM >>> >>> Fwd: >>> Marriage >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear List Members, >>> >>> Please look into this chart and find out the cause >>> of non-marital issue till >>> now. >>> >>> As Anup amended the TOB and changed the Asc from >> Cp >>> to Sg. The Sagi >>> asc.comes correct as per the co-incident. >>> >>> What is seen in the chart is given hereunder. >>> >>> 1. The 7th lord from Lagna, Sun and Mo is 6/8, 6/8 >>> and 2/12 >>> >>> 2. Su to Ve distance is > 43 >>> >>> 3.Ve is 6th lord and occupy house A for 7th >> matter. >>> >>> 4. All the significant houses viz. A,B and C are >>> influenced by 6th lord >>> either through occupation, conjunction or by >>> occupation in the navamsa of >>> 6th lord. >>> >>> 5. Su is aspected by Sa. >>> >>> 6. No blessings are present in the chart. >>> >>> 7.There is combined delay in the chart caused by >> Sa >>> and Ju both. But this >>> delay is also moderated due to the aspect of Ju on >>> Sa. But this moderation >> > === message truncated === > > ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play > Sims Stories at Games. > http://sims. <http://sims./> / ________ KEEP SPYWARE OFF YOUR COMPUTER - Protect your computer with Spyware Terminator! 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Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Dear Prafulla, A correction. Its reverse what I wrote. If Saturn is in 3rd, 5th, 6th and 11th from Moon then its benefic. i.e from Moons BAV From Saturns BAV, if you will notice that FROM MOON if Saturn is in 3rd, 6th and 11th as u said it gets its support or a bindu. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ash Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:31 PM RE: off the list // moon's strength Dear Prafulla, Thanks for your detailed mail. My reply below yours. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Prafulla Gang Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:05 PM off the list // moon's strength Dear Ash Recently I spent some time in reading facts on Jain Tirthankars. Contrary to most jyotish opinion on krishna / shukla paksha Moon (where krishna paksha moon is considered malefic / weak etc), all tirthankars were borne in krishna paksha, had diksha in krishna paksha, and got the " keval gyan " in krishna paksha. Not only spiritually, they all were chakravrati samrats, so they had best of materialistic levels, when they denounced the world. Ash : Thanks for this information. I shall study this in a future date. Moon's natal degree is very vital and planetary movements in all bhavas at those degrees, are capable of trigerring significant events (just like what we say about transit close to bhava madhya). I have tested this for few years, and have seen it working brilliantly (though with additional method by taking degree of the lord of bhava for event). Also, planetary placement from natal moon in natal chart holds the key for them. for example - shani in 3,6,11 from natal moon is capable of delivering best of the results (even if badly placed in natal chart). Ash : As per KAS we are considering the transit of Sun to furnish event. Moon’s transit get covered along with all other planet in daily points. If you see in the KAS program, when planets go into their upachaya position we say its better so we highlight those as Greens. Transit planets in 12th from NT planets are marked in Red. This is in the North or South Indian Rasi and Navamsa chart page towards the bottom. Even transit of planets w.r.t to others get covered in the SAV and in addition we do consider the transit of planet w.r.t bindu for example Sa and Ju points, Mars and Sa transit over 0 points etc, so all yogs are also covered. So that way we do not have to cover it separately. Yes transit of Sun is most important for timing of event which u know we use. So Transit of Saturn in 3rd, 6th and 11th from NT Mo it is good you said, now just check the SAV and in Moon’s BAV if you will notice, From Moon, Saturn makes a favorable yog if its in 3rd, 5th, 6th and 11th house. You have covered 3rd, 6th and 11th and as per BAV even Sa in 5th house is good. So this is covered as well, and it means that Saturn is good in these places / House from Moon. So unknowingly all this is already covered when we are doing KAS. Its just a matter of understanding how we are covering all this. Moon and janam lagna have been given equal importance for transit, dasha and chart configuration. After maturity age of moon, chart must always be read from moon and janma lagna - for any event fructification. Satyacharya has hinted that - even dasha should be calculated from lagna / sun / moon - depending upon their strength. I tried to dig this issue from these respective strengths (shadbala etc), but could not reach to a conclusion. Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; few says consider the number of planets influencing all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. Ash : What I am looking for is a systematic approach on how to find out which is stronger i.e. Lagna, Sun or Moon. I mean what or in what order does one calculate and judge if Lagna is stronger, or is Moon stronger or if Sun is stronger. What are the over riding factors to consider. That is what I am looking for. Say if a chart comes to you, then what steps do u take to compute and in what order would u calculate it in your mind i.e what factors do u weigh and in what order to confirm that which of the 3 is stronger. Is there some text or given somewhere or some author and Satish said that VD Bhatt has alluded to it with examples, so I am looking for the steps in a systematic manner to proceed to judge which of the 3 is stronger. As per KAS, the dasha is calculated only from Moon and we follow only Vimshottari dasha and for timing of event its from the WS. Now the power remains same i.e. the WS power, however in some cases, and particularly in a few example when I was confused, I had asked Krushanji and he had just told me “Ash, study from Moon” and when I checked from Moon, that particular event which was death Matched accurately. Now, I am trying to study this further, and trying to judge on the procedure on how to judge. So if you or Satish or others on the list who have have access to various classics and books that are even out of print, if someone can summarize on how to judge which is stronger of the 3 viz-a-viz, Su, Mo or Lagna it will be helpful to me in my studies. Ash : Yes one more thing Prafulla, as per KAS, if Tr planet is in upachaya from NT planet we say its good and it’s marked Green in the KAS program. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net " Good judgement comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgement. " ************************************************ Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > kas > Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:27:57 -0400 > > RE: Fwd: Marriage > > Dear Satish, > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > > > I am still not clear on the methodology to follow. > > > > As per your mail, we should see > > > > 1) Moon if its unccha i.e. in Taurus > > 2) If Moon is with more planets > > > > > > What happens if Ra is with Mo or Ketu? As per some books it can either > be > very bad as it spoils the mind makes one obsessive and at in some other > time > it might be called shakti yog which might give exceptional powers. So in > such case what to do or how to consider Moon. Lets say Mo in Ta and with > Ra > or Ketu. > > > > I do not have the book of V.D Bhatt, if he has given us some methodology > to > judge which to take or how to systematically compare i.e. what steps to > follow systematically then it will be great. > > > > I am not clear on what is meant when you said that chart works well? I > thought once u select Mo or Lagna or Sun then we should follow that? Is > there any reason why this changes w.r.t age ? > > > > Is some comparison given for evaluating Sun as well i.e to choose the > most > powerful from Lagna , Moon or Sun? > > > > Yes, thanks for the translating the Sanskrit shoke its appreciated. > > > > If you get a chance, can you please give a step by step approach for > proper > selection of the stronger of Lagna, Sun or Moon please it will be great. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ps: I will reply to your query on the chart in my next mail. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of SPK > Tuesday August 28, 2007 7:13 PM > > RE: Fwd: Marriage > > > > Dear Ash, > > As per parashara one has to judge the chart from lagna > or moon whichever is stronger. Some also look at it > from the Sun. But moon is the fastest moving graha in > the zodiac and it is a important and sensitive point > in the chart. As it is said > " Yatha Manasthiti Thatha Paristhisti " > > Literally meaning, the physical circumtances are a > reflection of the mental circumstances. > > If the moon is severlely afflicted all the rajayogas > and dhana yogas can come to a nought. Many times if > moon has more planets with it or is exalted then it > takes precedence over lagna. After the age of 30-32 ( > maturity of moon) the chart works equally well from > moon. Some charts work the best from moon. Sometimes > events can be used to see which chart is dominating. > > V.D Bhat in his books have given many examples of > similar looking charts except position of moon and how > it changes the entire picture. > > Satish > > P.S. > > In the chart under discussion, I mentioned about > shukra dasha but realized that it is aspecting house > B. Can LoD and LoE give results even if they aspect > houses A,B, or C ? How eager is NK to give the result > of house B ? > > --- Ash <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > wrote: > >> Dear Satish, >> >> >> >> I have a question. Under what circumstance will you >> check from Moon instead >> of Lagna or Sun. >> >> >> >> There are things like Blessings, lagna and 7th and >> also from mo and sun and >> their 7th etc we are checking also for say >> intelligence we do check lagna su >> and mo in which dreshkon, trishansa and navamsa they >> fall in. >> >> >> >> For timing of event, In one or two cases, I have >> seen Krushanji asking me to >> check from Moon as well but that was particularly in >> case of Death. >> >> >> >> So I am curious to know if you follow any fixed >> procedure for that i.e to >> select the timing from Lagna, Sun or Moon or what >> procedure do u follow or >> if u have come across this in particular VA texts, >> you can write a bit on >> that. It will be good learning. >> >> >> >> Can you please write a bit more on that. >> >> >> >> Cheers !!! >> >> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca >> >> _____ >> >> astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents >> [astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents ] > On >> Behalf Of SPK >> Tuesday August 28, 2007 3:16 PM >> astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents >> RE: Fwd: >> Marriage >> >> >> >> Dear Ash,Ramesh, Anup, >> >> When you say DBCE points, Which house you are >> referring to ? >> >> Is there a Ju delay ? I do not see it. >> >> From traditional VA. Look at the chart from moon. >> And >> 7th from moon is spoilt. Sun, Ketu and aspect of >> shani. >> Shukra is spoiled as being in papakartari between >> shani and mangal. >> >> How do you get Shukra as FK for this chart ? >> >> I wouldn't be suprised if the native finds someone >> in >> shani -shukra dasha. What transpired in guru-shukra >> ? >> 95-97 time frame ? >> >> Satish >> >> P.S. Do not have enough data to say the lagna should >> be sagi or capri. I go by what is given and take >> capri >> lagna. >> >> If it is sagi lagna it will put lagna lord in 8th >> and >> retro. How is overall health of the native ? >> --- Ash <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> >> <kas%40ashtro.ca> >> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Ramesh and Anup, >>> >>> >>> >>> When the Karak is very spoilt then that might >> spoil >>> the event or deny it or >>> delay it very much in life. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here just check the status of Venus. Also Ve is in >>> nak of Sun, its distance >>> to Sun is 45 and Ve is with Sa and Sa aspects a >>> luminiary. Ve is FK for >>> marriage is very spoilt. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other things regarding the validity of birth time >> I >>> haven't been able to >>> check due to lack of time. But I just wanted to >>> point this out to you that >>> first things we must check the Karaks. That >>> controls the status of house B. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also as per Cap her DBCE points are in rising >> order, >>> which is not so with >>> Sag. So also confirm that. Other things you all >>> can figure out between >>> yourselfs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other good points u have written are influence of >>> 6th lord etc are very nice >>> and well covered. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you want to do a full rectification then u >> should >>> get more data and try >>> to study it closely. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers !!! >>> >>> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> >> ca> http://www.ashtro. >> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> astrologyandtiminge >> <%40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com >>> [astrologyandtiminge >> <%40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com] >> On >>> Behalf Of ramesh mishra >>> Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:49 AM >>> >>> Fwd: >>> Marriage >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear List Members, >>> >>> Please look into this chart and find out the cause >>> of non-marital issue till >>> now. >>> >>> As Anup amended the TOB and changed the Asc from >> Cp >>> to Sg. The Sagi >>> asc.comes correct as per the co-incident. >>> >>> What is seen in the chart is given hereunder. >>> >>> 1. The 7th lord from Lagna, Sun and Mo is 6/8, 6/8 >>> and 2/12 >>> >>> 2. Su to Ve distance is > 43 >>> >>> 3.Ve is 6th lord and occupy house A for 7th >> matter. >>> >>> 4. All the significant houses viz. A,B and C are >>> influenced by 6th lord >>> either through occupation, conjunction or by >>> occupation in the navamsa of >>> 6th lord. >>> >>> 5. Su is aspected by Sa. >>> >>> 6. No blessings are present in the chart. >>> >>> 7.There is combined delay in the chart caused by >> Sa >>> and Ju both. But this >>> delay is also moderated due to the aspect of Ju on >>> Sa. But this moderation >> > === message truncated === > > ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play > Sims Stories at Games. > http://sims. <http://sims./> / ________ KEEP SPYWARE OFF YOUR COMPUTER - Protect your computer with Spyware Terminator! 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Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Dear Prafulla and List, Pardon me, I still did not get this right (its been a long day and it’s near midnight lol) From Saturn if Moon is in 3rd, 5th, 6th or 11th then its good. (Moon’s BAV) From Moon if Saturn is in 3rd, 6th or 11th then its good. (Saturn’s BAV) Sorry about that. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ash Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:39 PM RE: off the list // moon's strength Dear Prafulla, A correction. Its reverse what I wrote. If Saturn is in 3rd, 5th, 6th and 11th from Moon then its benefic. i.e from Moons BAV From Saturns BAV, if you will notice that FROM MOON if Saturn is in 3rd, 6th and 11th as u said it gets its support or a bindu. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ash Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:31 PM RE: off the list // moon's strength Dear Prafulla, Thanks for your detailed mail. My reply below yours. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Prafulla Gang Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:05 PM off the list // moon's strength Dear Ash Recently I spent some time in reading facts on Jain Tirthankars. Contrary to most jyotish opinion on krishna / shukla paksha Moon (where krishna paksha moon is considered malefic / weak etc), all tirthankars were borne in krishna paksha, had diksha in krishna paksha, and got the " keval gyan " in krishna paksha. Not only spiritually, they all were chakravrati samrats, so they had best of materialistic levels, when they denounced the world. Ash : Thanks for this information. I shall study this in a future date. Moon's natal degree is very vital and planetary movements in all bhavas at those degrees, are capable of trigerring significant events (just like what we say about transit close to bhava madhya). I have tested this for few years, and have seen it working brilliantly (though with additional method by taking degree of the lord of bhava for event). Also, planetary placement from natal moon in natal chart holds the key for them. for example - shani in 3,6,11 from natal moon is capable of delivering best of the results (even if badly placed in natal chart). Ash : As per KAS we are considering the transit of Sun to furnish event. Moon’s transit get covered along with all other planet in daily points. If you see in the KAS program, when planets go into their upachaya position we say its better so we highlight those as Greens. Transit planets in 12th from NT planets are marked in Red. This is in the North or South Indian Rasi and Navamsa chart page towards the bottom. Even transit of planets w.r.t to others get covered in the SAV and in addition we do consider the transit of planet w.r.t bindu for example Sa and Ju points, Mars and Sa transit over 0 points etc, so all yogs are also covered. So that way we do not have to cover it separately. Yes transit of Sun is most important for timing of event which u know we use. So Transit of Saturn in 3rd, 6th and 11th from NT Mo it is good you said, now just check the SAV and in Moon’s BAV if you will notice, From Moon, Saturn makes a favorable yog if its in 3rd, 5th, 6th and 11th house. You have covered 3rd, 6th and 11th and as per BAV even Sa in 5th house is good. So this is covered as well, and it means that Saturn is good in these places / House from Moon. So unknowingly all this is already covered when we are doing KAS. Its just a matter of understanding how we are covering all this. Moon and janam lagna have been given equal importance for transit, dasha and chart configuration. After maturity age of moon, chart must always be read from moon and janma lagna - for any event fructification. Satyacharya has hinted that - even dasha should be calculated from lagna / sun / moon - depending upon their strength. I tried to dig this issue from these respective strengths (shadbala etc), but could not reach to a conclusion. Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; few says consider the number of planets influencing all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. Ash : What I am looking for is a systematic approach on how to find out which is stronger i.e. Lagna, Sun or Moon. I mean what or in what order does one calculate and judge if Lagna is stronger, or is Moon stronger or if Sun is stronger. What are the over riding factors to consider. That is what I am looking for. Say if a chart comes to you, then what steps do u take to compute and in what order would u calculate it in your mind i.e what factors do u weigh and in what order to confirm that which of the 3 is stronger. Is there some text or given somewhere or some author and Satish said that VD Bhatt has alluded to it with examples, so I am looking for the steps in a systematic manner to proceed to judge which of the 3 is stronger. As per KAS, the dasha is calculated only from Moon and we follow only Vimshottari dasha and for timing of event its from the WS. Now the power remains same i.e. the WS power, however in some cases, and particularly in a few example when I was confused, I had asked Krushanji and he had just told me “Ash, study from Moon” and when I checked from Moon, that particular event which was death Matched accurately. Now, I am trying to study this further, and trying to judge on the procedure on how to judge. So if you or Satish or others on the list who have have access to various classics and books that are even out of print, if someone can summarize on how to judge which is stronger of the 3 viz-a-viz, Su, Mo or Lagna it will be helpful to me in my studies. Ash : Yes one more thing Prafulla, as per KAS, if Tr planet is in upachaya from NT planet we say its good and it’s marked Green in the KAS program. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net " Good judgement comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgement. " ************************************************ Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > kas > Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:27:57 -0400 > > RE: Fwd: Marriage > > Dear Satish, > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > > > I am still not clear on the methodology to follow. > > > > As per your mail, we should see > > > > 1) Moon if its unccha i.e. in Taurus > > 2) If Moon is with more planets > > > > > > What happens if Ra is with Mo or Ketu? As per some books it can either > be > very bad as it spoils the mind makes one obsessive and at in some other > time > it might be called shakti yog which might give exceptional powers. So in > such case what to do or how to consider Moon. Lets say Mo in Ta and with > Ra > or Ketu. > > > > I do not have the book of V.D Bhatt, if he has given us some methodology > to > judge which to take or how to systematically compare i.e. what steps to > follow systematically then it will be great. > > > > I am not clear on what is meant when you said that chart works well? I > thought once u select Mo or Lagna or Sun then we should follow that? Is > there any reason why this changes w.r.t age ? > > > > Is some comparison given for evaluating Sun as well i.e to choose the > most > powerful from Lagna , Moon or Sun? > > > > Yes, thanks for the translating the Sanskrit shoke its appreciated. > > > > If you get a chance, can you please give a step by step approach for > proper > selection of the stronger of Lagna, Sun or Moon please it will be great. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ps: I will reply to your query on the chart in my next mail. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of SPK > Tuesday August 28, 2007 7:13 PM > > RE: Fwd: Marriage > > > > Dear Ash, > > As per parashara one has to judge the chart from lagna > or moon whichever is stronger. Some also look at it > from the Sun. But moon is the fastest moving graha in > the zodiac and it is a important and sensitive point > in the chart. As it is said > " Yatha Manasthiti Thatha Paristhisti " > > Literally meaning, the physical circumtances are a > reflection of the mental circumstances. > > If the moon is severlely afflicted all the rajayogas > and dhana yogas can come to a nought. Many times if > moon has more planets with it or is exalted then it > takes precedence over lagna. After the age of 30-32 ( > maturity of moon) the chart works equally well from > moon. Some charts work the best from moon. Sometimes > events can be used to see which chart is dominating. > > V.D Bhat in his books have given many examples of > similar looking charts except position of moon and how > it changes the entire picture. > > Satish > > P.S. > > In the chart under discussion, I mentioned about > shukra dasha but realized that it is aspecting house > B. Can LoD and LoE give results even if they aspect > houses A,B, or C ? How eager is NK to give the result > of house B ? > > --- Ash <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > wrote: > >> Dear Satish, >> >> >> >> I have a question. Under what circumstance will you >> check from Moon instead >> of Lagna or Sun. >> >> >> >> There are things like Blessings, lagna and 7th and >> also from mo and sun and >> their 7th etc we are checking also for say >> intelligence we do check lagna su >> and mo in which dreshkon, trishansa and navamsa they >> fall in. >> >> >> >> For timing of event, In one or two cases, I have >> seen Krushanji asking me to >> check from Moon as well but that was particularly in >> case of Death. >> >> >> >> So I am curious to know if you follow any fixed >> procedure for that i.e to >> select the timing from Lagna, Sun or Moon or what >> procedure do u follow or >> if u have come across this in particular VA texts, >> you can write a bit on >> that. It will be good learning. >> >> >> >> Can you please write a bit more on that. >> >> >> >> Cheers !!! >> >> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca >> >> _____ >> >> astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents >> [astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents ] > On >> Behalf Of SPK >> Tuesday August 28, 2007 3:16 PM >> astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents >> RE: Fwd: >> Marriage >> >> >> >> Dear Ash,Ramesh, Anup, >> >> When you say DBCE points, Which house you are >> referring to ? >> >> Is there a Ju delay ? I do not see it. >> >> From traditional VA. Look at the chart from moon. >> And >> 7th from moon is spoilt. Sun, Ketu and aspect of >> shani. >> Shukra is spoiled as being in papakartari between >> shani and mangal. >> >> How do you get Shukra as FK for this chart ? >> >> I wouldn't be suprised if the native finds someone >> in >> shani -shukra dasha. What transpired in guru-shukra >> ? >> 95-97 time frame ? >> >> Satish >> >> P.S. Do not have enough data to say the lagna should >> be sagi or capri. I go by what is given and take >> capri >> lagna. >> >> If it is sagi lagna it will put lagna lord in 8th >> and >> retro. How is overall health of the native ? >> --- Ash <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> >> <kas%40ashtro.ca> >> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Ramesh and Anup, >>> >>> >>> >>> When the Karak is very spoilt then that might >> spoil >>> the event or deny it or >>> delay it very much in life. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here just check the status of Venus. Also Ve is in >>> nak of Sun, its distance >>> to Sun is 45 and Ve is with Sa and Sa aspects a >>> luminiary. Ve is FK for >>> marriage is very spoilt. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other things regarding the validity of birth time >> I >>> haven't been able to >>> check due to lack of time. But I just wanted to >>> point this out to you that >>> first things we must check the Karaks. That >>> controls the status of house B. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also as per Cap her DBCE points are in rising >> order, >>> which is not so with >>> Sag. So also confirm that. Other things you all >>> can figure out between >>> yourselfs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other good points u have written are influence of >>> 6th lord etc are very nice >>> and well covered. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you want to do a full rectification then u >> should >>> get more data and try >>> to study it closely. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers !!! >>> >>> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> >> ca> http://www.ashtro. >> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> astrologyandtiminge >> <%40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com >>> [astrologyandtiminge >> <%40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com] >> On >>> Behalf Of ramesh mishra >>> Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:49 AM >>> >>> Fwd: >>> Marriage >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear List Members, >>> >>> Please look into this chart and find out the cause >>> of non-marital issue till >>> now. >>> >>> As Anup amended the TOB and changed the Asc from >> Cp >>> to Sg. The Sagi >>> asc.comes correct as per the co-incident. >>> >>> What is seen in the chart is given hereunder. >>> >>> 1. The 7th lord from Lagna, Sun and Mo is 6/8, 6/8 >>> and 2/12 >>> >>> 2. Su to Ve distance is > 43 >>> >>> 3.Ve is 6th lord and occupy house A for 7th >> matter. >>> >>> 4. All the significant houses viz. A,B and C are >>> influenced by 6th lord >>> either through occupation, conjunction or by >>> occupation in the navamsa of >>> 6th lord. >>> >>> 5. Su is aspected by Sa. >>> >>> 6. No blessings are present in the chart. >>> >>> 7.There is combined delay in the chart caused by >> Sa >>> and Ju both. But this >>> delay is also moderated due to the aspect of Ju on >>> Sa. But this moderation >> > === message truncated === > > ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play > Sims Stories at Games. > http://sims. <http://sims./> / ________ KEEP SPYWARE OFF YOUR COMPUTER - Protect your computer with Spyware Terminator! 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Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Dear Ash / Prafulla You are correct, when Sun times the event Moon can pin point the day of event in the probable period Regards Sudhir On 8/29/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: Dear AshRecently I spent some time in reading facts on Jain Tirthankars. Contrary to most jyotish opinion on krishna / shukla paksha Moon (where krishna paksha moon is considered malefic / weak etc), all tirthankars were borne in krishna paksha, had diksha in krishna paksha, and got the " keval gyan " in krishna paksha. Not only spiritually, they all were chakravrati samrats, so they had best of materialistic levels, when they denounced the world. Moon's natal degree is very vital and planetary movements in all bhavas at those degrees, are capable of trigerring significant events (just like what we say about transit close to bhava madhya). I have tested this for few years, and have seen it working brilliantly (though with additional method by taking degree of the lord of bhava for event). Also, planetary placement from natal moon in natal chart holds the key for them. for example - shani in 3,6,11 from natal moon is capable of delivering best of the results (even if badly placed in natal chart). Moon and janam lagna have been given equal importance for transit, dasha and chart configuration. After maturity age of moon, chart must always be read from moon and janma lagna - for any event fructification. Satyacharya has hinted that - even dasha should be calculated from lagna / sun / moon - depending upon their strength. I tried to dig this issue from these respective strengths (shadbala etc), but could not reach to a conclusion. Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; few says consider the number of planets influencing all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. regards / Prafulla Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net " Good judgement comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgement. " ************************************************> > kas > Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:27:57 -0400> > RE: Fwd: Marriage> > Dear Satish,> > Thanks for your quick reply.> > > > I am still not clear on the methodology to follow. > > > > As per your mail, we should see> > > > 1) Moon if its unccha i.e. in Taurus> > 2) If Moon is with more planets> > > > > > What happens if Ra is with Mo or Ketu? As per some books it can either> be> very bad as it spoils the mind makes one obsessive and at in some other> time> it might be called shakti yog which might give exceptional powers. So in > such case what to do or how to consider Moon. Lets say Mo in Ta and with> Ra> or Ketu.> > > > I do not have the book of V.D Bhatt, if he has given us some methodology > to> judge which to take or how to systematically compare i.e. what steps to> follow systematically then it will be great.> > > > I am not clear on what is meant when you said that chart works well? I > thought once u select Mo or Lagna or Sun then we should follow that? Is> there any reason why this changes w.r.t age ?> > > > Is some comparison given for evaluating Sun as well i.e to choose the> most> powerful from Lagna , Moon or Sun?> > > > Yes, thanks for the translating the Sanskrit shoke its appreciated.> > > > If you get a chance, can you please give a step by step approach for > proper> selection of the stronger of Lagna, Sun or Moon please it will be great.> > > > Thanks> > > > Ps: I will reply to your query on the chart in my next mail. > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca > http://www.ashtro.ca> > _____> > > [ ] On Behalf Of SPK> Tuesday August 28, 2007 7:13 PM> > RE: Fwd: Marriage> > > > Dear Ash,> > As per parashara one has to judge the chart from lagna> or moon whichever is stronger. Some also look at it > from the Sun. But moon is the fastest moving graha in> the zodiac and it is a important and sensitive point> in the chart. As it is said> " Yatha Manasthiti Thatha Paristhisti " > > Literally meaning, the physical circumtances are a> reflection of the mental circumstances.> > If the moon is severlely afflicted all the rajayogas> and dhana yogas can come to a nought. Many times if > moon has more planets with it or is exalted then it> takes precedence over lagna. After the age of 30-32 (> maturity of moon) the chart works equally well from> moon. Some charts work the best from moon. Sometimes > events can be used to see which chart is dominating.> > V.D Bhat in his books have given many examples of> similar looking charts except position of moon and how> it changes the entire picture. > > Satish> > P.S.> > In the chart under discussion, I mentioned about> shukra dasha but realized that it is aspecting house> B. Can LoD and LoE give results even if they aspect > houses A,B, or C ? How eager is NK to give the result> of house B ?> > --- Ash <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > wrote:> >> Dear Satish,>> >> >> >> I have a question. Under what circumstance will you>> check from Moon instead>> of Lagna or Sun.>> >> >> >> There are things like Blessings, lagna and 7th and >> also from mo and sun and>> their 7th etc we are checking also for say>> intelligence we do check lagna su>> and mo in which dreshkon, trishansa and navamsa they>> fall in. >> >> >> >> For timing of event, In one or two cases, I have>> seen Krushanji asking me to>> check from Moon as well but that was particularly in>> case of Death. >> >> >> >> So I am curious to know if you follow any fixed>> procedure for that i.e to>> select the timing from Lagna, Sun or Moon or what>> procedure do u follow or >> if u have come across this in particular VA texts,>> you can write a bit on>> that. It will be good learning.>> >> >> >> Can you please write a bit more on that. >> >> >> >> Cheers !!!>> >> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro.> <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>> >> _____>> >> astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents >> [astrologyandtiminge> < %40>> vents ]> On>> Behalf Of SPK >> Tuesday August 28, 2007 3:16 PM>> astrologyandtiminge> <astrologyan dtimingevents%40> vents >> RE: Fwd: >> Marriage>> >> >> >> Dear Ash,Ramesh, Anup,>> >> When you say DBCE points, Which house you are>> referring to ?>> >> Is there a Ju delay ? I do not see it. >> >> From traditional VA. Look at the chart from moon.>> And>> 7th from moon is spoilt. Sun, Ketu and aspect of>> shani.>> Shukra is spoiled as being in papakartari between >> shani and mangal.>> >> How do you get Shukra as FK for this chart ?>> >> I wouldn't be suprised if the native finds someone>> in>> shani -shukra dasha. What transpired in guru-shukra >> ?>> 95-97 time frame ?>> >> Satish>> >> P.S. Do not have enough data to say the lagna should>> be sagi or capri. I go by what is given and take>> capri >> lagna.>> >> If it is sagi lagna it will put lagna lord in 8th>> and>> retro. How is overall health of the native ?>> --- Ash < kas <kas%40ashtro.ca>>> < kas%40ashtro.ca>>> >> wrote:>> >>> Dear Ramesh and Anup,>>> >>> >>> >>> When the Karak is very spoilt then that might >> spoil>>> the event or deny it or>>> delay it very much in life.>>> >>> >>> >>> Here just check the status of Venus. Also Ve is in >>> nak of Sun, its distance>>> to Sun is 45 and Ve is with Sa and Sa aspects a>>> luminiary. Ve is FK for>>> marriage is very spoilt.>>> >>> >>> >>> Other things regarding the validity of birth time>> I>>> haven't been able to>>> check due to lack of time. But I just wanted to>>> point this out to you that >>> first things we must check the Karaks. That>>> controls the status of house B.>>> >>> >>> >>> Also as per Cap her DBCE points are in rising >> order,>>> which is not so with>>> Sag. So also confirm that. Other things you all>>> can figure out between>>> yourselfs.>>> >>> >>> >>> Other good points u have written are influence of>>> 6th lord etc are very nice>>> and well covered.>>> >>> >>> >>> If you want to do a full rectification then u >> should>>> get more data and try>>> to study it closely.>>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers !!!>>> >>> Ash -> < http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. < http://www.ashtro.ca>> ca>>> ca> http://www.ashtro.>> < http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca>>> >>> _____>>> >>> astrologyandtiminge>> <%40>>> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com>>> [ astrologyandtiminge>> < %40>>> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents% 40> com]>> On>>> Behalf Of ramesh mishra>>> Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:49 AM>>> >>> Fwd: >>> Marriage>>> >>> >>> >>> Dear List Members,>>> >>> Please look into this chart and find out the cause>>> of non-marital issue till >>> now.>>> >>> As Anup amended the TOB and changed the Asc from>> Cp>>> to Sg. The Sagi>>> asc.comes correct as per the co-incident.>>> >>> What is seen in the chart is given hereunder.>>> >>> 1. The 7th lord from Lagna, Sun and Mo is 6/8, 6/8>>> and 2/12>>> >>> 2. Su to Ve distance is > 43 >>> >>> 3.Ve is 6th lord and occupy house A for 7th>> matter.>>> >>> 4. All the significant houses viz. A,B and C are>>> influenced by 6th lord >>> either through occupation, conjunction or by>>> occupation in the navamsa of>>> 6th lord.>>> >>> 5. Su is aspected by Sa.>>> >>> 6. No blessings are present in the chart. >>> >>> 7.There is combined delay in the chart caused by>> Sa>>> and Ju both. But this>>> delay is also moderated due to the aspect of Ju on>>> Sa. But this moderation >> > === message truncated ===> > ________> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.> Play> Sims Stories at Games. > http://sims. < http://sims./> /________KEEP SPYWARE OFF YOUR COMPUTER - Protect your computer with Spyware Terminator! 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear members, i dont know where i read it but it stated that after 32 years moon lagna should be considered.. may be since person gets more mentally matured ? after 64 years sun lagna should be considered.. may be spiritually person gets matured ? thanks/regards harjeet , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ash > > Recently I spent some time in reading facts on Jain Tirthankars. Contrary to most jyotish opinion on krishna / shukla paksha Moon (where krishna paksha moon is considered malefic / weak etc), all tirthankars were borne in krishna paksha, had diksha in krishna paksha, and got the " keval gyan " in krishna paksha. Not only spiritually, they all were chakravrati samrats, so they had best of materialistic levels, when they denounced the world. > > Moon's natal degree is very vital and planetary movements in all bhavas at those degrees, are capable of trigerring significant events (just like what we say about transit close to bhava madhya). I have tested this for few years, and have seen it working brilliantly (though with additional method by taking degree of the lord of bhava for event). Also, planetary placement from natal moon in natal chart holds the key for them. for example - shani in 3,6,11 from natal moon is capable of delivering best of the results (even if badly placed in natal chart). > > Moon and janam lagna have been given equal importance for transit, dasha and chart configuration. After maturity age of moon, chart must always be read from moon and janma lagna - for any event fructification. Satyacharya has hinted that - even dasha should be calculated from lagna / sun / moon - depending upon their strength. I tried to dig this issue from these respective strengths (shadbala etc), but could not reach to a conclusion. Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; few says consider the number of planets influencing all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > " Good judgement comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgement. " > ************************************************ > > > > > > kas > > Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:27:57 -0400 > > > > RE: Fwd: Marriage > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > > > > > > > I am still not clear on the methodology to follow. > > > > > > > > As per your mail, we should see > > > > > > > > 1) Moon if its unccha i.e. in Taurus > > > > 2) If Moon is with more planets > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens if Ra is with Mo or Ketu? As per some books it can either > > be > > very bad as it spoils the mind makes one obsessive and at in some other > > time > > it might be called shakti yog which might give exceptional powers. So in > > such case what to do or how to consider Moon. Lets say Mo in Ta and with > > Ra > > or Ketu. > > > > > > > > I do not have the book of V.D Bhatt, if he has given us some methodology > > to > > judge which to take or how to systematically compare i.e. what steps to > > follow systematically then it will be great. > > > > > > > > I am not clear on what is meant when you said that chart works well? I > > thought once u select Mo or Lagna or Sun then we should follow that? Is > > there any reason why this changes w.r.t age ? > > > > > > > > Is some comparison given for evaluating Sun as well i.e to choose the > > most > > powerful from Lagna , Moon or Sun? > > > > > > > > Yes, thanks for the translating the Sanskrit shoke its appreciated. > > > > > > > > If you get a chance, can you please give a step by step approach for > > proper > > selection of the stronger of Lagna, Sun or Moon please it will be great. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Ps: I will reply to your query on the chart in my next mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK > > Tuesday August 28, 2007 7:13 PM > > > > RE: Fwd: Marriage > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > As per parashara one has to judge the chart from lagna > > or moon whichever is stronger. Some also look at it > > from the Sun. But moon is the fastest moving graha in > > the zodiac and it is a important and sensitive point > > in the chart. As it is said > > " Yatha Manasthiti Thatha Paristhisti " > > > > Literally meaning, the physical circumtances are a > > reflection of the mental circumstances. > > > > If the moon is severlely afflicted all the rajayogas > > and dhana yogas can come to a nought. Many times if > > moon has more planets with it or is exalted then it > > takes precedence over lagna. After the age of 30-32 ( > > maturity of moon) the chart works equally well from > > moon. Some charts work the best from moon. Sometimes > > events can be used to see which chart is dominating. > > > > V.D Bhat in his books have given many examples of > > similar looking charts except position of moon and how > > it changes the entire picture. > > > > Satish > > > > P.S. > > > > In the chart under discussion, I mentioned about > > shukra dasha but realized that it is aspecting house > > B. Can LoD and LoE give results even if they aspect > > houses A,B, or C ? How eager is NK to give the result > > of house B ? > > > > --- Ash <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > wrote: > > > >> Dear Satish, > >> > >> > >> > >> I have a question. Under what circumstance will you > >> check from Moon instead > >> of Lagna or Sun. > >> > >> > >> > >> There are things like Blessings, lagna and 7th and > >> also from mo and sun and > >> their 7th etc we are checking also for say > >> intelligence we do check lagna su > >> and mo in which dreshkon, trishansa and navamsa they > >> fall in. > >> > >> > >> > >> For timing of event, In one or two cases, I have > >> seen Krushanji asking me to > >> check from Moon as well but that was particularly in > >> case of Death. > >> > >> > >> > >> So I am curious to know if you follow any fixed > >> procedure for that i.e to > >> select the timing from Lagna, Sun or Moon or what > >> procedure do u follow or > >> if u have come across this in particular VA texts, > >> you can write a bit on > >> that. It will be good learning. > >> > >> > >> > >> Can you please write a bit more on that. > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers !!! > >> > >> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> astrologyandtiminge > > <%40> vents > >> [astrologyandtiminge > > <%40> > > vents ] > > On > >> Behalf Of SPK > >> Tuesday August 28, 2007 3:16 PM > >> astrologyandtiminge > > <%40> vents > >> RE: Fwd: > >> Marriage > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear Ash,Ramesh, Anup, > >> > >> When you say DBCE points, Which house you are > >> referring to ? > >> > >> Is there a Ju delay ? I do not see it. > >> > >> From traditional VA. Look at the chart from moon. > >> And > >> 7th from moon is spoilt. Sun, Ketu and aspect of > >> shani. > >> Shukra is spoiled as being in papakartari between > >> shani and mangal. > >> > >> How do you get Shukra as FK for this chart ? > >> > >> I wouldn't be suprised if the native finds someone > >> in > >> shani -shukra dasha. What transpired in guru-shukra > >> ? > >> 95-97 time frame ? > >> > >> Satish > >> > >> P.S. Do not have enough data to say the lagna should > >> be sagi or capri. I go by what is given and take > >> capri > >> lagna. > >> > >> If it is sagi lagna it will put lagna lord in 8th > >> and > >> retro. How is overall health of the native ? > >> --- Ash <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > >> <kas%40ashtro.ca> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Dear Ramesh and Anup, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> When the Karak is very spoilt then that might > >> spoil > >>> the event or deny it or > >>> delay it very much in life. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Here just check the status of Venus. Also Ve is in > >>> nak of Sun, its distance > >>> to Sun is 45 and Ve is with Sa and Sa aspects a > >>> luminiary. Ve is FK for > >>> marriage is very spoilt. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Other things regarding the validity of birth time > >> I > >>> haven't been able to > >>> check due to lack of time. But I just wanted to > >>> point this out to you that > >>> first things we must check the Karaks. That > >>> controls the status of house B. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Also as per Cap her DBCE points are in rising > >> order, > >>> which is not so with > >>> Sag. So also confirm that. Other things you all > >>> can figure out between > >>> yourselfs. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Other good points u have written are influence of > >>> 6th lord etc are very nice > >>> and well covered. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If you want to do a full rectification then u > >> should > >>> get more data and try > >>> to study it closely. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Cheers !!! > >>> > >>> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > > ca> > >> ca> http://www.ashtro. > >> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > >>> > >>> _____ > >>> > >>> astrologyandtiminge > >> <%40> > >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com > >>> [astrologyandtiminge > >> <%40> > >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com] > >> On > >>> Behalf Of ramesh mishra > >>> Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:49 AM > >>> > >>> Fwd: > >>> Marriage > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear List Members, > >>> > >>> Please look into this chart and find out the cause > >>> of non-marital issue till > >>> now. > >>> > >>> As Anup amended the TOB and changed the Asc from > >> Cp > >>> to Sg. The Sagi > >>> asc.comes correct as per the co-incident. > >>> > >>> What is seen in the chart is given hereunder. > >>> > >>> 1. The 7th lord from Lagna, Sun and Mo is 6/8, 6/8 > >>> and 2/12 > >>> > >>> 2. Su to Ve distance is > 43 > >>> > >>> 3.Ve is 6th lord and occupy house A for 7th > >> matter. > >>> > >>> 4. All the significant houses viz. A,B and C are > >>> influenced by 6th lord > >>> either through occupation, conjunction or by > >>> occupation in the navamsa of > >>> 6th lord. > >>> > >>> 5. Su is aspected by Sa. > >>> > >>> 6. No blessings are present in the chart. > >>> > >>> 7.There is combined delay in the chart caused by > >> Sa > >>> and Ju both. But this > >>> delay is also moderated due to the aspect of Ju on > >>> Sa. But this moderation > >> > > === message truncated === > > > > ________ > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Sudhir and list members, What you have written might confuse the list members. That is why I am writing down the procedure here as per KAS. These can be applied to ALL charts for timing of event. For timing of event here is the procedure in a nut shell. 1) MD shows karakatwa 2) AD shows the event i.e. from WS u can find the significator for timing of event. 3) Sector – with sector u narrow down the event inside the antra and find the appropriate sector where event will take place 4) PDF – use sun’s transit (PDF – probable date finder) i.e. Sun’s transit in sign and nakshatra and the power is from WS of the sign lord and nak lord. 5) There is 13 days difference that might be there on either side. Daily Points. 1) Daily points are used to get an idea on how one is feeling 2) Daily points takes into account the contribution of all the 7 planets 3) Here we add the SAV points that each and every planet is transiting so it means we are covering all the planets and their relative position from each other and lagna which implies that all the yogas are being considered which are based on relative positioning of planets such as adhi, anapha, sunapha, vasumati, chandradi etc etc etc. Individual Transit Points 1) Sun’s transit we are covering to time events. That is as per lesson. 2) Sa and Ju points are important as they are slow moving planet and their impact is longer term. This covers many things if u study it in detail. 3) Transit of natural malefics is also considered i.e. Ma and Sa over house where particularly some planet has 0 points. Daily points are to be read, keeping in mind the individual transit and MD, AD, Sector etc. Sun’s transit will focus on the area of life based on the power of planet that is running. Say sun is transiting at 14 deg of Aries so its in Sign of Mars and Nak of Venus and say if they are good for 6th and weak for 2nd and like that for all 12 house, then that area of life will be in the spot light. So points, etc have to be read keep all things in mind. So Moon’s transit is NOT used to narrow the event down INSIDE the pdf. You might take the help of daily points but then u are covering all planets and not just moon. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Sudhir Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:59 PM To: Re: off the list // moon's strength Dear Ash / Prafulla You are correct, when Sun times the event Moon can pin point the day of event in the probable period Regards Sudhir On 8/29/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Ash Recently I spent some time in reading facts on Jain Tirthankars. Contrary to most jyotish opinion on krishna / shukla paksha Moon (where krishna paksha moon is considered malefic / weak etc), all tirthankars were borne in krishna paksha, had diksha in krishna paksha, and got the " keval gyan " in krishna paksha. Not only spiritually, they all were chakravrati samrats, so they had best of materialistic levels, when they denounced the world. Moon's natal degree is very vital and planetary movements in all bhavas at those degrees, are capable of trigerring significant events (just like what we say about transit close to bhava madhya). I have tested this for few years, and have seen it working brilliantly (though with additional method by taking degree of the lord of bhava for event). Also, planetary placement from natal moon in natal chart holds the key for them. for example - shani in 3,6,11 from natal moon is capable of delivering best of the results (even if badly placed in natal chart). Moon and janam lagna have been given equal importance for transit, dasha and chart configuration. After maturity age of moon, chart must always be read from moon and janma lagna - for any event fructification. Satyacharya has hinted that - even dasha should be calculated from lagna / sun / moon - depending upon their strength. I tried to dig this issue from these respective strengths (shadbala etc), but could not reach to a conclusion. Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; few says consider the number of planets influencing all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net " Good judgement comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgement. " ************************************************ > > kas > Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:27:57 -0400 > > RE: Fwd: Marriage > > Dear Satish, > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > > > I am still not clear on the methodology to follow. > > > > As per your mail, we should see > > > > 1) Moon if its unccha i.e. in Taurus > > 2) If Moon is with more planets > > > > > > What happens if Ra is with Mo or Ketu? As per some books it can either > be > very bad as it spoils the mind makes one obsessive and at in some other > time > it might be called shakti yog which might give exceptional powers. So in > such case what to do or how to consider Moon. Lets say Mo in Ta and with > Ra > or Ketu. > > > > I do not have the book of V.D Bhatt, if he has given us some methodology > to > judge which to take or how to systematically compare i.e. what steps to > follow systematically then it will be great. > > > > I am not clear on what is meant when you said that chart works well? I > thought once u select Mo or Lagna or Sun then we should follow that? Is > there any reason why this changes w.r.t age ? > > > > Is some comparison given for evaluating Sun as well i.e to choose the > most > powerful from Lagna , Moon or Sun? > > > > Yes, thanks for the translating the Sanskrit shoke its appreciated. > > > > If you get a chance, can you please give a step by step approach for > proper > selection of the stronger of Lagna, Sun or Moon please it will be great. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ps: I will reply to your query on the chart in my next mail. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca > http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > [ ] On Behalf Of SPK > Tuesday August 28, 2007 7:13 PM > > RE: Fwd: Marriage > > > > Dear Ash, > > As per parashara one has to judge the chart from lagna > or moon whichever is stronger. Some also look at it > from the Sun. But moon is the fastest moving graha in > the zodiac and it is a important and sensitive point > in the chart. As it is said > " Yatha Manasthiti Thatha Paristhisti " > > Literally meaning, the physical circumtances are a > reflection of the mental circumstances. > > If the moon is severlely afflicted all the rajayogas > and dhana yogas can come to a nought. Many times if > moon has more planets with it or is exalted then it > takes precedence over lagna. After the age of 30-32 ( > maturity of moon) the chart works equally well from > moon. Some charts work the best from moon. Sometimes > events can be used to see which chart is dominating. > > V.D Bhat in his books have given many examples of > similar looking charts except position of moon and how > it changes the entire picture. > > Satish > > P.S. > > In the chart under discussion, I mentioned about > shukra dasha but realized that it is aspecting house > B. Can LoD and LoE give results even if they aspect > houses A,B, or C ? How eager is NK to give the result > of house B ? > > --- Ash <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > wrote: > >> Dear Satish, >> >> >> >> I have a question. Under what circumstance will you >> check from Moon instead >> of Lagna or Sun. >> >> >> >> There are things like Blessings, lagna and 7th and >> also from mo and sun and >> their 7th etc we are checking also for say >> intelligence we do check lagna su >> and mo in which dreshkon, trishansa and navamsa they >> fall in. >> >> >> >> For timing of event, In one or two cases, I have >> seen Krushanji asking me to >> check from Moon as well but that was particularly in >> case of Death. >> >> >> >> So I am curious to know if you follow any fixed >> procedure for that i.e to >> select the timing from Lagna, Sun or Moon or what >> procedure do u follow or >> if u have come across this in particular VA texts, >> you can write a bit on >> that. It will be good learning. >> >> >> >> Can you please write a bit more on that. >> >> >> >> Cheers !!! >> >> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca >> >> _____ >> >> astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents >> [astrologyandtiminge > < %40> > vents ] > On >> Behalf Of SPK >> Tuesday August 28, 2007 3:16 PM >> astrologyandtiminge > <astrologyan dtimingevents%40> vents >> RE: Fwd: >> Marriage >> >> >> >> Dear Ash,Ramesh, Anup, >> >> When you say DBCE points, Which house you are >> referring to ? >> >> Is there a Ju delay ? I do not see it. >> >> From traditional VA. Look at the chart from moon. >> And >> 7th from moon is spoilt. Sun, Ketu and aspect of >> shani. >> Shukra is spoiled as being in papakartari between >> shani and mangal. >> >> How do you get Shukra as FK for this chart ? >> >> I wouldn't be suprised if the native finds someone >> in >> shani -shukra dasha. What transpired in guru-shukra >> ? >> 95-97 time frame ? >> >> Satish >> >> P.S. Do not have enough data to say the lagna should >> be sagi or capri. I go by what is given and take >> capri >> lagna. >> >> If it is sagi lagna it will put lagna lord in 8th >> and >> retro. How is overall health of the native ? >> --- Ash < kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> >> < kas%40ashtro.ca> >> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Ramesh and Anup, >>> >>> >>> >>> When the Karak is very spoilt then that might >> spoil >>> the event or deny it or >>> delay it very much in life. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here just check the status of Venus. Also Ve is in >>> nak of Sun, its distance >>> to Sun is 45 and Ve is with Sa and Sa aspects a >>> luminiary. Ve is FK for >>> marriage is very spoilt. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other things regarding the validity of birth time >> I >>> haven't been able to >>> check due to lack of time. But I just wanted to >>> point this out to you that >>> first things we must check the Karaks. That >>> controls the status of house B. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also as per Cap her DBCE points are in rising >> order, >>> which is not so with >>> Sag. So also confirm that. Other things you all >>> can figure out between >>> yourselfs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other good points u have written are influence of >>> 6th lord etc are very nice >>> and well covered. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you want to do a full rectification then u >> should >>> get more data and try >>> to study it closely. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers !!! >>> >>> Ash -> < http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. < http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> >> ca> http://www.ashtro. >> < http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> astrologyandtiminge >> <%40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com >>> [ astrologyandtiminge >> < %40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents% 40> com] >> On >>> Behalf Of ramesh mishra >>> Tuesday August 28, 2007 11:49 AM >>> >>> Fwd: >>> Marriage >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear List Members, >>> >>> Please look into this chart and find out the cause >>> of non-marital issue till >>> now. >>> >>> As Anup amended the TOB and changed the Asc from >> Cp >>> to Sg. The Sagi >>> asc.comes correct as per the co-incident. >>> >>> What is seen in the chart is given hereunder. >>> >>> 1. The 7th lord from Lagna, Sun and Mo is 6/8, 6/8 >>> and 2/12 >>> >>> 2. Su to Ve distance is > 43 >>> >>> 3.Ve is 6th lord and occupy house A for 7th >> matter. >>> >>> 4. All the significant houses viz. A,B and C are >>> influenced by 6th lord >>> either through occupation, conjunction or by >>> occupation in the navamsa of >>> 6th lord. >>> >>> 5. Su is aspected by Sa. >>> >>> 6. No blessings are present in the chart. >>> >>> 7.There is combined delay in the chart caused by >> Sa >>> and Ju both. But this >>> delay is also moderated due to the aspect of Ju on >>> Sa. But this moderation >> > === message truncated === > > ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play > Sims Stories at Games. > http://sims. < http://sims./> / ________ KEEP SPYWARE OFF YOUR COMPUTER - Protect your computer with Spyware Terminator! 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Ash/prafulla, I follow what prafulla has siad in his mail > Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; few says consider the number of planets influencing all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. > If moon is with more planets I take moon lagna to be important. There is no hard and fast rule and thats the trouble. Sometimes if you see moon with towo other planets and has more planets in 1-7 axis where moon is moon lagna is stronger. After age of 30-32 moon lagna is equally important. These are judement calls unfortunately and I have not found hard or fast rules for these. One thing is if moon and lagna are in trines or moon and lagna are the same, such an individual is more consistent in thought and action. Satish --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > Dear Ash > > Recently I spent some time in reading facts on Jain > Tirthankars. Contrary to most jyotish opinion on > krishna / shukla paksha Moon (where krishna paksha > moon is considered malefic / weak etc), all > tirthankars were borne in krishna paksha, had diksha > in krishna paksha, and got the " keval gyan " in > krishna paksha. Not only spiritually, they all were > chakravrati samrats, so they had best of > materialistic levels, when they denounced the world. > > Moon's natal degree is very vital and planetary > movements in all bhavas at those degrees, are > capable of trigerring significant events (just like > what we say about transit close to bhava madhya). I > have tested this for few years, and have seen it > working brilliantly (though with additional method > by taking degree of the lord of bhava for event). > Also, planetary placement from natal moon in natal > chart holds the key for them. for example - shani in > 3,6,11 from natal moon is capable of delivering best > of the results (even if badly placed in natal > chart). > > Moon and janam lagna have been given equal > importance for transit, dasha and chart > configuration. After maturity age of moon, chart > must always be read from moon and janma lagna - for > any event fructification. Satyacharya has hinted > that - even dasha should be calculated from lagna / > sun / moon - depending upon their strength. I tried > to dig this issue from these respective strengths > (shadbala etc), but could not reach to a conclusion. > Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava > strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and > lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; > few says consider the number of planets influencing > all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > " Good judgement comes from experience. > Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad > judgement. " > ************************************************ > > > > > > kas > > Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:27:57 -0400 > > > > RE: Fwd: > Marriage > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > > > > > > > I am still not clear on the methodology to follow. > > > > > > > > As per your mail, we should see > > > > > > > > 1) Moon if its unccha i.e. in Taurus > > > > 2) If Moon is with more planets > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens if Ra is with Mo or Ketu? As per > some books it can either > > be > > very bad as it spoils the mind makes one obsessive > and at in some other > > time > > it might be called shakti yog which might give > exceptional powers. So in > > such case what to do or how to consider Moon. > Lets say Mo in Ta and with > > Ra > > or Ketu. > > > > > > > > I do not have the book of V.D Bhatt, if he has > given us some methodology > > to > > judge which to take or how to systematically > compare i.e. what steps to > > follow systematically then it will be great. > > > > > > > > I am not clear on what is meant when you said that > chart works well? I > > thought once u select Mo or Lagna or Sun then we > should follow that? Is > > there any reason why this changes w.r.t age ? > > > > > > > > Is some comparison given for evaluating Sun as > well i.e to choose the > > most > > powerful from Lagna , Moon or Sun? > > > > > > > > Yes, thanks for the translating the Sanskrit shoke > its appreciated. > > > > > > > > If you get a chance, can you please give a step by > step approach for > > proper > > selection of the stronger of Lagna, Sun or Moon > please it will be great. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Ps: I will reply to your query on the chart in my > next mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> > http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK > > Tuesday August 28, 2007 7:13 PM > > > > RE: Fwd: > Marriage > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > As per parashara one has to judge the chart from > lagna > > or moon whichever is stronger. Some also look at > it > > from the Sun. But moon is the fastest moving graha > in > > the zodiac and it is a important and sensitive > point > > in the chart. As it is said > > " Yatha Manasthiti Thatha Paristhisti " > > > > Literally meaning, the physical circumtances are a > > reflection of the mental circumstances. > > > > If the moon is severlely afflicted all the > rajayogas > > and dhana yogas can come to a nought. Many times > if > > moon has more planets with it or is exalted then > it > > takes precedence over lagna. After the age of > 30-32 ( > > maturity of moon) the chart works equally well > from > > moon. Some charts work the best from moon. > Sometimes > > events can be used to see which chart is > dominating. > > > > V.D Bhat in his books have given many examples of > > similar looking charts except position of moon and > how > > it changes the entire picture. > > > > Satish > > > > P.S. > > > > In the chart under discussion, I mentioned about > > shukra dasha but realized that it is aspecting > house > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Satish and Prafulla, Translating this into KAS, 1) Conjunction would be SD 2) Aspect on Moon is considered with concrete values i.e. using bindus and final values are in WS (Here note moon cannot control any planet due to its nature) I mean, can we say that if u add the total points of Sun i.e. in summary from H1 to H12 and do the same for Moon and Lagna lord and then find which ever one has more power then that should be stronger because we would be taking into considering 4:10 for sun and lagna but not for Moon and the aspect on Moon and the houses. So that would cover many things, but that being said, Su and Lagna lord have an advantage as if they are in 10th place from any planet in proper 4:10 then they would become more powerful than moon as Moon can never control any planet and get power from them. Also other factors, say if Ve is there which is most sensitive planet as the lagna lord and then say its in krittika or aadra, then what happens? Or say a sensitive planet such as Moon has Rahu with it or aspected by Rahu? So here do u check power i.e. aspect strength, 4:10 etc i.e WS or do u check the STATUS of each planet which we do for finding the Karak for example if say Ve is spoilt means if its in krittika or its distance to sun etc ? So u see, where and what exactly do you see to judge these things carefully. I do hear you about the placement of Moon say for Cancer lagna if Mo is in Sco but its in Trine and in house of Yogakarak then can we say that this moon is weak? Infact, I think such a moon becomes very powerful and the MF is like 1.2 instead of 0.8 and same for say if Sun were to be in 4th house in neecha sign for Cancer lagna so in such case we can’t consider such a sun as weak. I do remember Krushanji writing about this in some old mail. So still, if u just go by “no hard and fast rule” then the scientific approach goes away and it becomes open to “free for all” type. That being said, I also do understand that not everything can be in black or white, but in this case I am sure there MUST be some proper logic. That also reminds me that in 1 chart Manoshi had given on list for marriage timing, Krushanji had told us to study that from Moon. So now I can think of some cases of Death and 1 case of Marriage particularly told to study. So this I feel is a very important JUDGEMENT to select the stronger and the procedure. I wish I can find that mail, but I also remember that in that mail, Krushanji gave us hints and did not spell it out. Maybe he wants us to do work hard to find this. If you and others can find some hints given in VA we can discuss this further. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of SPK Wednesday August 29, 2007 1:35 PM To: Re: off the list // moon's strength Dear Ash/prafulla, I follow what prafulla has siad in his mail > Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; few says consider the number of planets influencing all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. > If moon is with more planets I take moon lagna to be important. There is no hard and fast rule and thats the trouble. Sometimes if you see moon with towo other planets and has more planets in 1-7 axis where moon is moon lagna is stronger. After age of 30-32 moon lagna is equally important. These are judement calls unfortunately and I have not found hard or fast rules for these. One thing is if moon and lagna are in trines or moon and lagna are the same, such an individual is more consistent in thought and action. Satish --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Ash > > Recently I spent some time in reading facts on Jain > Tirthankars. Contrary to most jyotish opinion on > krishna / shukla paksha Moon (where krishna paksha > moon is considered malefic / weak etc), all > tirthankars were borne in krishna paksha, had diksha > in krishna paksha, and got the " keval gyan " in > krishna paksha. Not only spiritually, they all were > chakravrati samrats, so they had best of > materialistic levels, when they denounced the world. > > Moon's natal degree is very vital and planetary > movements in all bhavas at those degrees, are > capable of trigerring significant events (just like > what we say about transit close to bhava madhya). I > have tested this for few years, and have seen it > working brilliantly (though with additional method > by taking degree of the lord of bhava for event). > Also, planetary placement from natal moon in natal > chart holds the key for them. for example - shani in > 3,6,11 from natal moon is capable of delivering best > of the results (even if badly placed in natal > chart). > > Moon and janam lagna have been given equal > importance for transit, dasha and chart > configuration. After maturity age of moon, chart > must always be read from moon and janma lagna - for > any event fructification. Satyacharya has hinted > that - even dasha should be calculated from lagna / > sun / moon - depending upon their strength. I tried > to dig this issue from these respective strengths > (shadbala etc), but could not reach to a conclusion. > Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava > strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and > lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; > few says consider the number of planets influencing > all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > " Good judgement comes from experience. > Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad > judgement. " > ************************************************ > > > > > > kas > > Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:27:57 -0400 > > > > RE: Fwd: > Marriage > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > > > > > > > I am still not clear on the methodology to follow. > > > > > > > > As per your mail, we should see > > > > > > > > 1) Moon if its unccha i.e. in Taurus > > > > 2) If Moon is with more planets > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens if Ra is with Mo or Ketu? As per > some books it can either > > be > > very bad as it spoils the mind makes one obsessive > and at in some other > > time > > it might be called shakti yog which might give > exceptional powers. So in > > such case what to do or how to consider Moon. > Lets say Mo in Ta and with > > Ra > > or Ketu. > > > > > > > > I do not have the book of V.D Bhatt, if he has > given us some methodology > > to > > judge which to take or how to systematically > compare i.e. what steps to > > follow systematically then it will be great. > > > > > > > > I am not clear on what is meant when you said that > chart works well? I > > thought once u select Mo or Lagna or Sun then we > should follow that? Is > > there any reason why this changes w.r.t age ? > > > > > > > > Is some comparison given for evaluating Sun as > well i.e to choose the > > most > > powerful from Lagna , Moon or Sun? > > > > > > > > Yes, thanks for the translating the Sanskrit shoke > its appreciated. > > > > > > > > If you get a chance, can you please give a step by > step approach for > > proper > > selection of the stronger of Lagna, Sun or Moon > please it will be great. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Ps: I will reply to your query on the chart in my > next mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> > http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK > > Tuesday August 28, 2007 7:13 PM > > > > RE: Fwd: > Marriage > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > As per parashara one has to judge the chart from > lagna > > or moon whichever is stronger. Some also look at > it > > from the Sun. But moon is the fastest moving graha > in > > the zodiac and it is a important and sensitive > point > > in the chart. As it is said > > " Yatha Manasthiti Thatha Paristhisti " > > > > Literally meaning, the physical circumtances are a > > reflection of the mental circumstances. > > > > If the moon is severlely afflicted all the > rajayogas > > and dhana yogas can come to a nought. Many times > if > > moon has more planets with it or is exalted then > it > > takes precedence over lagna. After the age of > 30-32 ( > > maturity of moon) the chart works equally well > from > > moon. Some charts work the best from moon. > Sometimes > > events can be used to see which chart is > dominating. > > > > V.D Bhat in his books have given many examples of > > similar looking charts except position of moon and > how > > it changes the entire picture. > > > > Satish > > > > P.S. > > > > In the chart under discussion, I mentioned about > > shukra dasha but realized that it is aspecting > house > === message truncated === ________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Satish and Prafulla, Why 30-32 years? What is the reason behind it? In so many charts we solved, we did not have to do all this. Most events were matching with the procedure given. Its only in very selected cases I have seen this phenomenon working and Krushanji had asked me to study it from Moon? Why only in very specific situations? It all boils down to only the special cases because so far in so many years, we have been able to find the timing from lagna itself. Making a long story short, it narrows down to the main question How to identify these special cases for selection of Mo or Su over lagna? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of SPK Wednesday August 29, 2007 1:35 PM To: Re: off the list // moon's strength Dear Ash/prafulla, I follow what prafulla has siad in his mail > Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; few says consider the number of planets influencing all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. > If moon is with more planets I take moon lagna to be important. There is no hard and fast rule and thats the trouble. Sometimes if you see moon with towo other planets and has more planets in 1-7 axis where moon is moon lagna is stronger. After age of 30-32 moon lagna is equally important. These are judement calls unfortunately and I have not found hard or fast rules for these. One thing is if moon and lagna are in trines or moon and lagna are the same, such an individual is more consistent in thought and action. Satish --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Ash > > Recently I spent some time in reading facts on Jain > Tirthankars. Contrary to most jyotish opinion on > krishna / shukla paksha Moon (where krishna paksha > moon is considered malefic / weak etc), all > tirthankars were borne in krishna paksha, had diksha > in krishna paksha, and got the " keval gyan " in > krishna paksha. Not only spiritually, they all were > chakravrati samrats, so they had best of > materialistic levels, when they denounced the world. > > Moon's natal degree is very vital and planetary > movements in all bhavas at those degrees, are > capable of trigerring significant events (just like > what we say about transit close to bhava madhya). I > have tested this for few years, and have seen it > working brilliantly (though with additional method > by taking degree of the lord of bhava for event). > Also, planetary placement from natal moon in natal > chart holds the key for them. for example - shani in > 3,6,11 from natal moon is capable of delivering best > of the results (even if badly placed in natal > chart). > > Moon and janam lagna have been given equal > importance for transit, dasha and chart > configuration. After maturity age of moon, chart > must always be read from moon and janma lagna - for > any event fructification. Satyacharya has hinted > that - even dasha should be calculated from lagna / > sun / moon - depending upon their strength. I tried > to dig this issue from these respective strengths > (shadbala etc), but could not reach to a conclusion. > Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava > strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and > lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; > few says consider the number of planets influencing > all three - and higher the numbers is the strongst. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > " Good judgement comes from experience. > Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad > judgement. " > ************************************************ > > > > > > kas > > Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:27:57 -0400 > > > > RE: Fwd: > Marriage > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > > > > > > > I am still not clear on the methodology to follow. > > > > > > > > As per your mail, we should see > > > > > > > > 1) Moon if its unccha i.e. in Taurus > > > > 2) If Moon is with more planets > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens if Ra is with Mo or Ketu? As per > some books it can either > > be > > very bad as it spoils the mind makes one obsessive > and at in some other > > time > > it might be called shakti yog which might give > exceptional powers. So in > > such case what to do or how to consider Moon. > Lets say Mo in Ta and with > > Ra > > or Ketu. > > > > > > > > I do not have the book of V.D Bhatt, if he has > given us some methodology > > to > > judge which to take or how to systematically > compare i.e. what steps to > > follow systematically then it will be great. > > > > > > > > I am not clear on what is meant when you said that > chart works well? I > > thought once u select Mo or Lagna or Sun then we > should follow that? Is > > there any reason why this changes w.r.t age ? > > > > > > > > Is some comparison given for evaluating Sun as > well i.e to choose the > > most > > powerful from Lagna , Moon or Sun? > > > > > > > > Yes, thanks for the translating the Sanskrit shoke > its appreciated. > > > > > > > > If you get a chance, can you please give a step by > step approach for > > proper > > selection of the stronger of Lagna, Sun or Moon > please it will be great. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Ps: I will reply to your query on the chart in my > next mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> > http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK > > Tuesday August 28, 2007 7:13 PM > > > > RE: Fwd: > Marriage > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > As per parashara one has to judge the chart from > lagna > > or moon whichever is stronger. Some also look at > it > > from the Sun. But moon is the fastest moving graha > in > > the zodiac and it is a important and sensitive > point > > in the chart. As it is said > > " Yatha Manasthiti Thatha Paristhisti " > > > > Literally meaning, the physical circumtances are a > > reflection of the mental circumstances. > > > > If the moon is severlely afflicted all the > rajayogas > > and dhana yogas can come to a nought. Many times > if > > moon has more planets with it or is exalted then > it > > takes precedence over lagna. After the age of > 30-32 ( > > maturity of moon) the chart works equally well > from > > moon. Some charts work the best from moon. > Sometimes > > events can be used to see which chart is > dominating. > > > > V.D Bhat in his books have given many examples of > > similar looking charts except position of moon and > how > > it changes the entire picture. > > > > Satish > > > > P.S. > > > > In the chart under discussion, I mentioned about > > shukra dasha but realized that it is aspecting > house > === message truncated === ________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dear Ash, 30-32 years as it is considered maturity for moon. Just like mangal dosha reduces after the age of 28. There is no mention of mangal dosha in classics but thats a common practice. As per the strength of moon in WS. Its a good point and we may want to explore that. In the chartys where Krushnaji asked you to look from moon , can you dig up the charts and see whether moon points in WS for all 12 houses adds up more. Ofcourse we do not have points for lagna. Satish --- Ash <kas wrote: > Dear Satish and Prafulla, > > > > Why 30-32 years? What is the reason behind it? > > > > In so many charts we solved, we did not have to do > all this. Most events > were matching with the procedure given. > > > > Its only in very selected cases I have seen this > phenomenon working and > Krushanji had asked me to study it from Moon? > > > > Why only in very specific situations? > > > > It all boils down to only the special cases because > so far in so many years, > we have been able to find the timing from lagna > itself. > > > > Making a long story short, it narrows down to the > main question > > > > How to identify these special cases for selection of > Mo or Su over lagna? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On > Behalf Of SPK > Wednesday August 29, 2007 1:35 PM > > Re: off the list > // moon's strength > > > > Dear Ash/prafulla, > > I follow what prafulla has siad in his mail > > > > Generally speaking, few says that look at the bhava > strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and lagna > ; > and take transit / dasha etc from strongest; few > says > consider the number of planets influencing all three > - > and higher the numbers is the strongst. > > > > If moon is with more planets I take moon lagna to be > important. There is no hard and fast rule and thats > the trouble. Sometimes if you see moon with towo > other > planets and has more planets in 1-7 axis where moon > is > moon lagna is stronger. > > After age of 30-32 moon lagna is equally important. > These are judement calls unfortunately and I have > not > found hard or fast rules for these. > > One thing is if moon and lagna are in trines or moon > and lagna are the same, such an individual is more > consistent in thought and action. > > Satish > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) > <jyotish%40inbox.com> com> wrote: > > > Dear Ash > > > > Recently I spent some time in reading facts on > Jain > > Tirthankars. Contrary to most jyotish opinion on > > krishna / shukla paksha Moon (where krishna paksha > > moon is considered malefic / weak etc), all > > tirthankars were borne in krishna paksha, had > diksha > > in krishna paksha, and got the " keval gyan " in > > krishna paksha. Not only spiritually, they all > were > > chakravrati samrats, so they had best of > > materialistic levels, when they denounced the > world. > > > > Moon's natal degree is very vital and planetary > > movements in all bhavas at those degrees, are > > capable of trigerring significant events (just > like > > what we say about transit close to bhava madhya). > I > > have tested this for few years, and have seen it > > working brilliantly (though with additional method > > by taking degree of the lord of bhava for event). > > Also, planetary placement from natal moon in natal > > chart holds the key for them. for example - shani > in > > 3,6,11 from natal moon is capable of delivering > best > > of the results (even if badly placed in natal > > chart). > > > > Moon and janam lagna have been given equal > > importance for transit, dasha and chart > > configuration. After maturity age of moon, chart > > must always be read from moon and janma lagna - > for > > any event fructification. Satyacharya has hinted > > that - even dasha should be calculated from lagna > / > > sun / moon - depending upon their strength. I > tried > > to dig this issue from these respective strengths > > (shadbala etc), but could not reach to a > conclusion. > > Generally speaking, few says that look at the > bhava > > strength of moon, sun (both by occupation) and > > lagna ; and take transit / dasha etc from > strongest; > > few says consider the number of planets > influencing > > all three - and higher the numbers is the > strongst. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > http://www.prafulla <http://www.prafulla.net> .net > > > > " Good judgement comes from experience. > > Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from > bad > > judgement. " > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > > > Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:27:57 -0400 > > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents > > > RE: Fwd: > > > Marriage > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am still not clear on the methodology to > follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your mail, we should see > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Moon if its unccha i.e. in Taurus > > > > > > 2) If Moon is with more planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens if Ra is with Mo or Ketu? As per > > some books it can either > > > be > > > very bad as it spoils the mind makes one > obsessive > > and at in some other > > > time > > > it might be called shakti yog which might give > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. 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