Dear Ash et All :On the Creation of Universe and Cosmology as applicable to

September 15, 2007

Amit, As i am short of time,so without indulging into any debate,i am giving you a small deatil regarding your first chart of Dinesh Patel.Do look into this antrawise from Ketu starting from April2004. Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 12 12 11 20 10 11 15 13 18 11 6 27 7 9 1] Ketu-> More like Jup 11th house less pts than 12th 2] Venus-> bad financial position 11th have less as well as 12th house 3] Sun-> 4] Monn -> 5 Mars -> In all these antra's you can see ,his relative position 11th v/s 12th I am not into some other factors, which are imperative for detailed discussion. 11th v/s12th is not a sole funda for finding financial position. Yes, this is a part of a reason finding this. I got to rush somewhere.So rest of these charts be another time, Amit. Meanwhile go through KAS lessons, if possible. Sincerely Anup astroquery12 <astroquery12 wrote: Dear Ash and Anup, To Ash: I do apologies for the mix up of points on the previous chart and yesyou are correct that the 12th house has more points than 11th. I waslooking at the JHL software which showed 11th had more than 12th. Wellmy apologise. To Anup and Ash as well: Well I give below more charts (taken from various sources onlinefamiliar to all of us through astrology groups etc) common peoplehaving the same set of common

problems - no savings and more fiances,here is a listing of 5 charts (there are more) I have double checkedthem for the 11/12 house and all of these charts have more points in11th house as opposed to the 12th. Yet, the natives complain of moreexpenses and no savings, a few of the charts are of singles and a fewof married. A few own businesses and a few are into service. NOTE: I have included the specific website addresses so that you maysee for yourself the particular queries they natives have put forth. I will be happy to provide more charts where 11th house has morepoints than 12th and yet the native is in debts or has more expensesthan income. RegardsAmit1. Dinesh Patel (Financial Crises, unable to save money due toexpenses on medicine) My Date of Birth Date is – 21.05.1979Birth Place is MumbaiBirth time is 7.30 pmhttp://en.allexperts.com/q/Astrology-2205/solve-problem.htm2. DOB-02.11.1981 (Financial crises, unable to save money claims moreexpenses than savings at the end of the month) TOB-11.18AMPOB-REWA(MP) Latitude: 24° 32'North Longitude: 81° 18'East regards,Sandeep Tiwari.vedic astrology/message/963093. TOB - 3.00 PM DOB - 6TH SEPT,1966POB -BARODA GUJARAT INDIATHANKS.....VIJAYvedic astrology/message/830604. birth details are- dob- 29th april 1979 time- 6:30 amplace- danapur (bihar)85E03 & 25N38 http://www.ammas.com/ar/home.cfm?r=va & topicid=23 & bid=0 & qid=1343335. > My birth details:> Date of Birth: 14-06-1960> Time of Birth: 15.10 hrs> Place of Birth: Palakkad, Keralavedic astrology/message/92286 , "Anup. M"<dalh_1 wrote:>> Dear Ramesh,> > The topic was changed deliberately as youknow this was started by the same person bearing some other ID.Also,if you note the contents of all his previous mails, i dont think wewill be learning something out of this except wasting our time.> Just note the

words Ash has used after finishing his reply to hismail> > "The points in 12th are more than 11th,> in any case let it be." > > I hope you will understand that we all are here to learn and cannot accept> less than KAS here:)> I was also expecting your comments being a senior on this topic.> Your views and experience is also worth for a junior like me.> Regards> Anup> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:> Dear Anup, Harjeet and all,> I would like to advice that once a chain is started on some topicor on a particular chat please do not mix up the chain with some othertopic/ chart.> Hope you understand my point. If it is mixed up with other topic,it becomes difficult for us to understand the chart that on what

topicdiscussion was going on.> For e.g. take this topic only.This topic was started by any one ofour friend and it continues with some other topic.> It will be better for us to stop the chain and pose the topic withsome other chain so it will be easy for us to understand or to referthat chain.> Please do not take it in other way. If you feel it is correct thenOK otherwise also it is fine.> Thanks and regards.> Ramesh Mishra > > "Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote:> Sorry three zero in navamsa> > Anup> > "Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote:> Dear Ash and Harjeet,> > This was the chart i was aking about, but hereone zero in SAV> and three zero in SAV if we take DST as no.> > February 16Th at 1:55 PM ( afternoon)(13:55) year 1976.> born in Washington DC ( USA).> She is unmarried and her father requested for

analysis formarriage prospetcs.> I think Venus antra can give marriage.> No Sat delay but Jup delay is there.> > I think Ash is right as he said that delay sometimes can be upto30 years.> > > Regards> Anup> > > > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote:> Dear Ashji,> thanks for the reply.> bonvoyage.> would wait for more information on that.> thanks/regards> harjeet> > , "Ash" <kas@> wrote:> >> > Dear Harjeet,> > > > I have to rush to the airport, but I did have a brief chat with> Krushanji> > and ask him this scenario.> > > > 3 zereos in navamsa can cause delay, and reduce the

happiness. Delay> > sometimes maybe of 30 years.> > > > Thanks for asking this question. I also got some more insight into> this. :-)> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of Ash> > Thursday September 13, 2007 1:31 PM> > > > RE:

Re: Dear Ash et All :On the> Creation> > of Universe and Cosmology as applicable to> > > > > > > > Dear Hajreet,> > > > The delay calculations are as per the technique taught, i.e. say if> Sa is in> > 5th house in Navamsa so marriage can get delayed etc etc.> > > > 0's in Rasi chart are used to find delay, but 0 in d-chart has notbeen> > specified by Krushnaji.> > > > 0's in D chart get covered in the basic strength calculation. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of harjeet> > bakshi> > Thursday September 13, 2007 1:16 PM> > > > Re: Dear Ash et All :On the> Creation of> > Universe and Cosmology as applicable to> > > > > > > > Dear Anup,> > wah wah!!> > can you please give the birth data so other factors can be seen.> > as per your question if i had to answer without considering other> > factors... i am optimistic.. i would say delayed marriage .> > remember Krushnaji

said.. 50% of effect by planet rest by efforts of> > person. and if there are blessing in chart or from up above..> > thanks/regards> > harjeet> > > > astrologyandtiminge> > <%40>> vents ,> > "Anup. M"> > <dalh_1@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Harjeet ,> > > > > > "us shehar mein jao,to itna use kehna,> > > baqi na sune koi, sirf tanha usay kehna,> > > kuch log safar kay liye mozo'n (suitable) nahi hotay,> > > kuch raaste kate nahi tanha,itna use kehna"> > > > > > Now tell me,how the quality of a marriage will be, if there is no> > zero in SAV by any planet > > > and three zero in navamsa and What about such

case...denial or> > delay of marriage??> > > > > > Regards> > > Anup> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:> > > Dear Ashji,> > > whenever one of my teacher used to give me smile.. i used to do> > > something wrong in solving a problem... but she would not tellme till> > > i asked her.> > > so did i do something wrong?> > > thanks/regards> > > harjeet> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > <%40>> vents ,> > "ashsam73" <kas@>> > > wrote:> >

> >> > > > Dear Harjeet,> > > > > > > > :-)> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > <%40>> vents ,> > "Ash" <kas@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Harjeet,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>> > http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > <%40>> vents > > > > > [astrologyandtiminge> > <%40>> vents ]> > On Behalf Of> > harjeet> > > > > bakshi> > > > > Thursday September 13, 2007 11:19 AM> > > > >

astrologyandtiminge> > <%40>> vents > > > > > Re: Dear Ash et All :On the> > > > Creation of> > > > > Universe and Cosmology as applicable to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Ashji,> > > > > more over current antra of rahu samdhari to venus and mars.> > > > > mars have more points for 12th compared to 11th.> > > > > venus has 20 for 11th and 17 for 12th.> > > > > rahu in 9th house triggers 12th and 4th house.> > > > > so mars points in ws and rahu's position points to more> > expenditure in> > > > > current antra.>

> > > > moreover antras of mars,saturn,moon,mercury and sun have less> points> > > > > in worsheet for 11th house compared to 12th.> > > > > only jupiter and venus have a just little more points in 11th> > compared> > > > > to 12th.> > > > > plus the sav in 12th is more than 11th.> > > > > dont we take mean of sav from sun,moon and lagna ?> > > > > anything wrong in my thinking?> > > > > thanks/regards> > > > > harjeet> > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > > > <%40>> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com,> > > > > "Ash" <kas@> wrote:> > > > > >>

> > > > > Dear Amit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With this data u have given,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19th May 1986> > > > > > > > > > > > 12:10 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > Degrees> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As> > > > > > > > > > >

> 5 Le 38> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su> > > > > > > > > > > > 5 Ta 14> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo> > > > > > > > > > > > 2 Vi 38> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma> > > > > > > > > > > > 27 Sg 51> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me> > > > > > > > > > > > 0 Ta 39> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju> > > > > > > > > > > > 25 Aq 40> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > Ve> > > > > > > > > > > > 4 Ge 28> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR> > > > > > > > > > > > 14 Sc 17> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra> > > > > > > > > > > > 5 Ar 44> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke> > > > > > > > > > > > 5 Li 44> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House> > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Venus> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >><file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\ENagawkar\Desktop\KASMaster.xls#BAV!G> > > > > > 61#BAV!G61> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11> > > > > > > > > > > > 5> > > > > > > > > > > > 6> > > > > > > > > > > > 6> > > > > > > > > > > > 4> > > > > > > > > > > > 4> > > > > > > > > > > > 4> > > > > > > > > > > > 3> > > > > > > > > > >

> 5> > > > > > > > > > > > 5> > > > > > > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > > > > 4> > > > > > > > > > > > 4> > > > > > > > > > > > 52> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >><file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\ENagawkar\Desktop\KASMaster.xls#BAV!T> > > > > > 61#BAV!T61> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4> > > > > > > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > > > > 2> >

> > > > > > > > > > 3> > > > > > > > > > > > 5> > > > > > > > > > > > 3> > > > > > > > > > > > 4> > > > > > > > > > > > 4> > > > > > > > > > > > 3> > > > > > > > > > > > 4> > > > > > > > > > > > 4> > > > > > > > > > > > 3> > > > > > > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > > > > 39> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Totals> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > The points in 12th are more than 11th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, let it be.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.> > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca>> > > > http://www.ashtro.> > > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca> > > > > > > >

> > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > > > <%40>> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com> > > > > > [astrologyandtiminge> > > > > <%40>> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com]> > > > > On Behalf Of planck12> > > > > > Wednesday September 12, 2007 7:58 PM> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > > > <%40>> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com> > > > >

> Re: Dear Ash et All:On the> > > > > Creation of> > > > > > Universe and Cosmology as applicable to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Yes, I completely concur and thats all I wanted to clarify> from my> > > > > > end. Again before I leave I have another chart if anyone wants> > > to use> > > > > > from educational stand point. > > > > > > > > > > > > 19 May 1986> > > > > > 12:10pm > > > > > > new delhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again i decided to relate the 11/12th house points, in this> chart> > > > > > again the

worksheet decided to give more points in 11th> house than> > > > > > 12th. But the girl has no savings, he is quite spendrift and> have> > > > > > numerous expenses as compared to her income. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also to double check other things, i decided to check other> > factors,> > > > > > her brillancy for that matter. I think she has two parts in> saturn> > > > > > degrees as shown with the work sheet. But she is not very> > > intelligent,> > > > > > again a decent girl who is quite jovial, but she has done a> > > > > > certificate course and works in a local bank. As Iunderstand it> > > from> > > > > > the notes if one part is in saturn then person has odinary> > > > > > intelligence

and if two he/she has good intelligence. In her> > > case she> > > > > > is normal like anyone else who has no part in saturnsdivision. > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to check, incase there are other things required,> as is> > > > > > always the case in terms of details. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. The girl is unmarried> > > > > > 2. Wheatish complexion > > > > > > 3. works in a bank as teller > > > > > > 4. From a middle class family> > > > > > 5. Has good morals, but tends to be energetic and hyper at> times > > > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > Nicked Vish (Amit) I prefer Vish > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

astrologyandtiminge> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com,> > > > > > "Ash" <kas@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Amit / Vishy (?),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and All the more> > > reason we> > > > > > should> > > > > > > get back to KAS :-)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.> > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>> > > > > ca> ca>> > > > > http://www.ashtro.> > > > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.> <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>> > ca> ca> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com>

> > > > > > [astrologyandtiminge> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com]> > > > > > On Behalf Of> > > > > > astroquery12> > > > > > > Wednesday September 12, 2007 7:11 PM> > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com> > > > > > > Dear Ash et All :On the> > > > > Creation of> > > > > > > Universe and Cosmology as applicable to Astr> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > Hope you are doing well. This is Amit again, had posted> under a> > > > > > > different name prior but that account did not seem towork and> > > > had to> > > > > > > create a new id. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following the lessons for a while and again I> > see many> > > > > > > in-consistencies with the system. My intention is not to> > refute or> > > > > > > accept the system but purely to learn it and see it> > > practicality and> > > > > > > in the process provide my thoughts in opinions (afterall the> > > > > > > astrology forum is a free form

for discussion). Some of my> > > > doubts have> > > > > > > cropped up again with the usual, 11th house points vs 12th> house> > > > > > > points and the actual condition of the charts (again this is> > only> > > > > > > treating the chart with KAS)as opposed to mixing parashra> or k.p> > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On another note, perhaps I can take the liberty to explain> > > again on> > > > > > > why this happens and hopefully you concur with my points and> > > facts.> > > > > > > After all astrology will make more meaning if weunderstand it> > > from> > > > > > > all angles. You are a computer scientist (a man of science)> > > yourself> > >

> > > > and perhaps this description will make sense and will take a> > > purely> > > > > > > scientific approach to it: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you are familiar at least on the basic level with> > > > Einstein's> > > > > > > relativity and the other theory called Quantum Mechanics.> > > During the> > > > > > > creation of the universe at the point of big bang it iswidely> > > > > > > believed that there were four fundamental forces in the> > universe:> > > > > > > Gravity, electromagnetic, weak nuclear and strong nuclear.> It is> > > > also> > > > > > > now very well accepted that relativity explains Gravity very> > > > elegantly> > > > >

> > and that the theory has been tested to the point of> calculations> > > > > > > pertaning to perhilion of mercury (closest pass to the> sun) with> > > > > > > accuracy. On the other hand Quantum mechanics has donewell in> > > > > > > unifying the other three forces of the electromagnetic and> > nuclear> > > > > > > nature. BUT a BIG TWIST comes into the picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Realivity claims that events (spacetime continum is 4D)> are all> > > > > > > associated together and there is no concept of past and> > future or> > > > > > > present and in simple terms the destiney is already> written and> > > > > > > nothing can change it, so given the right set of lawsone

can> > > > predict> > > > > > > the course of life and the cosmos (relativisticconditions on> > > > > > > cosmology)to a complete accurate picture based on fundametal> > field> > > > > > > equations of einstein. Again Einstein spent much of his life> > > > finding a> > > > > > > Unified theory that would unify electromagnetics with> > gravity BUT> > > > > > FAILED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand QUANTUM MECHANICS claims that nothing in> > life is> > > > > > > predictable infact everything is a probability. And QM> explains> > > > atoms> > > > > > > etc the world of sub atomic very well (this wouldinclude the> > > brain)> >

> > > > > the body etc, after all brain is essential a complex neural> > > network> > > > > > > working on neurotransmitters signals which are electrical in> > > > nature. > > > > > > > So it is quite justified that QM is applicable to us as well> > > > since we> > > > > > > are made of atoms, eletrons etc. But the problem you runinto> > > > with QM> > > > > > > is that nothing is certain and that everything is> described as a> > > > > > > probablity wave function of something called the> scrhorodingers> > > > > > > equation. I would want you to refer to the thoughtexperiment> > > termed> > > > > > > "Schroender's Cat" which is hard for me to explain on this> fourm> >

> > but I> > > > > > > am sure you will take the initiative of reading it, in short> > every> > > > > > > observation made my an reference observer will change the> > > course of> > > > > > > this obervation directly or indirectly depending on the> > > observation> > > > > > > being made. Simply put, there is too much random nessexistent> > > > in this> > > > > > > universe to be able to describe anything in any accruancy,> > > > especially> > > > > > > when it comes to life or the atomic scale. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now applying the above theories to describe astrology, many> > of the> > > > > > > General predictions we make about the past or even the>

future at> > > > times> > > > > > > happen to come true, yet there are many more predictions> we made> > > > that> > > > > > > do not come true at all. Because we are juggling between> > > certainity> > > > > > > and chaos and that is not the fault or positive aspect of> anyone> > > > > > > astrological system but rather the law of nature (God if> you may> > > > call> > > > > > > it). You have claimed in your past emails that KAS is very> > > accurate> > > > > > > however on my sincere application of these principles I have> > > > found it> > > > > > > smiliar to any other system because the rate of predicition> > > does not> > > > > > > change much as

compared to prashara or k.p or jaiminifor that> > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is however a different story if we only look at the> positive> > > > aspect> > > > > > > and not realise the shortcomings of any system. Myapproach is> > > > to look> > > > > > > at the short comings of this system simply because it> might help> > > > > > > improve the system in some other way (again thats notjob). My> > > sole> > > > > > > intention for this posting has been to again reiterate on a> > > > scientific> > > > > > > ground the limitations of astrology and that of humanmind and> > > > that no> > > > > > > matter how hard we try we will be bound by

many> contraints. You> > > > might> > > > > > > claim that KAS predictions have come true, but I haveapplied> > > basic> > > > > > > principles of many charts some of which have yielded> results but> > > > again> > > > > > > some of them have not yielded the correct results (thisI see> > > > with an> > > > > > > open mind) leading me to believe and again affirm with the> > > view that> > > > > > > astrology has limitations on what can be predicted. Any when> > > we are> > > > > > > bound by such limitations then ethically we should takea more> > > > > > > cautious approach in predicting in the first place and> perhaps a> > > > more> > > > > >

> understanding, less materialistic (making money out of> > astrology)> > > > > > > attitude in researching things. This would also involvebeing> > > > open to> > > > > > > genuine thoughts weather pro or against any system in the> > > betterment> > > > > > > of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To end it Einstein once said "God does not play dicewith the> > > > > > > Universe" on seeing Quatum Mechanics back in the 30s he was> > > > > > > diasspointed with QM because he felt there was no free will> > > and that> > > > > > > there was no such thing as probablity. A famous Quautum> > > Theorist (I> > > > > > > will let you figure out who) responded by saying "Not

only> > > does God> > > > > > > play dice with Us, He also puts it in places where we cannot> > find> > > > > it". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you see this message not as a threat to your> > system but> > > > > > > rather as an open ended question to ponder on keeping aside> > > > > > > ego,predjuice or any other negative emotions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and Best> > > > > > > Amit> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a

better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone> > who knows.> > > Answers - Check it out.> > >> >> > > > > > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers fromsomeone who knows.> Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 'suser panel and lay it on us. > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Clickhere. > > > > > > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview thehottest shows on

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September 15, 2007

Dear Amit,

In none of the charts enough data is given to make sure that the

time is authentic, I am sure you have read the introductory page of the list.

To make full study of the chart, the birth time must be accurate.

Otherwise it’s of no use.

I am making an effort in 4 charts that you have given. In each of

the chart I am giving you explanation as per lessons.

In the first chart, tell me the following.

1) Calculate the marriage time and tell me if it’s

proper. Please give me proper methodology and calculation for the same as per

lessons.

2) Tell me the WS points of first chart, since

Ketu antra started for 11th and 12th house.

3) Tell me the overall SAV for 11th house

as well.

4) Tell me how many planets have more than 12

points in 11th house.

5) In 2005, what was Sa transit, i.e. over entire

cancer lagna. From when to when.

Chart 2 – Need more data to confirm. Ju in libra, Ve to Sun

47 etc, similar to the first chart you gave of the person you know.

Chart 3 – Tell me the points in Ju antra for 11th and

12th house. You will find that 11th = 20 and 12th

is 21. See points in 10th house as well. Its only 22 in SAV. 3

ore more planets are in unccha sthan or MT.

Chart 4 – Doing online stock trading. Speculation related.

Check points in 5th house. All houses have less than 12 points only

Ju has 12 points which aspects House C for 5th as B and its unccha

so its aspect is worst.

Chart 5 – Data might need rectification.

When you are using KAS, please make sure u are using the parameters

given as per lessons.

You have given 5 charts now and 2 charts in the past. 1 of person

you know, 2nd of the chart with 11th points less than 12th

in SAV and 5 charts here. I have solved all 5 charts here and here giving you

and approach as per KAS. Its better first you spend time to understand and

grasp KAS and first before that understand what is the meaning of BAV, SAV,

Points.

I had asked you this question in the beginning itself, and u did

not take it seriously.

If you do not understand what each thing means, there is no point

opening the WS, its better to use other technique that u can grasp and

understand.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of astroquery12

Saturday September 15, 2007

6:25 AM

Subject:

Re: Dear Ash et All :On the Creation of Universe and

Cosmology as applicable to

Dear Ash and Anup,

To Ash:

I do apologies for the mix up of points on the previous chart and yes

you are correct that the 12th house has more points than 11th. I was

looking at the JHL software which showed 11th had more than 12th. Well

my apologise.

To Anup and Ash as well:

Well I give below more charts (taken from various sources online

familiar to all of us through astrology groups etc) common people

having the same set of common problems - no savings and more fiances,

here is a listing of 5 charts (there are more) I have double checked

them for the 11/12 house and all of these charts have more points in

11th house as opposed to the 12th. Yet, the natives complain of more

expenses and no savings, a few of the charts are of singles and a few

of married. A few own businesses and a few are into service.

NOTE: I have included the specific website addresses so that you may

see for yourself the particular queries they natives have put forth.

I will be happy to provide more charts where 11th house has more

points than 12th and yet the native is in debts or has more expenses

than income.

Regards

Amit

1. Dinesh Patel (Financial Crises, unable to save money due to

expenses on medicine)

My Date of Birth Date is – 21.05.1979

Birth Place is Mumbai

Birth time is 7.30 pm

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Astrology-2205/solve-problem.htm

2. DOB-02.11.1981 (Financial crises, unable to save money claims more

expenses than savings at the end of the month)

TOB-11.18AM

POB-REWA(MP) Latitude: 24° 32'North Longitude: 81° 18'East

regards,

Sandeep Tiwari.

vedic astrology/message/96309

3.

TOB - 3.00 PM

DOB - 6TH SEPT,1966

POB -BARODA GUJARAT INDIA

THANKS.....

VIJAY

vedic astrology/message/83060

4. birth details are- dob- 29th april 1979

time- 6:30 am

place- danapur (bihar)

85E03 & 25N38

http://www.ammas.com/ar/home.cfm?r=va & topicid=23 & bid=0 & qid=134333

5. > My birth details:

> Date of Birth: 14-06-1960

> Time of Birth: 15.10 hrs

> Place of Birth: Palakkad, Kerala

vedic astrology/message/92286

,

" Anup. M "

<dalh_1 wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> The topic was changed deliberately as you

know this was started by the same person bearing some other ID.Also,

if you note the contents of all his previous mails, i dont think we

will be learning something out of this except wasting our time.

> Just note the words Ash has used after finishing his reply to his

mail

>

> " The points in 12th are more than 11th,

> in any case let it be. "

>

> I hope you will understand that we all are here to learn and can

not accept

> less than KAS here:)

> I was also expecting your comments being a senior on this topic.

> Your views and experience is also worth for a junior like me.

> Regards

> Anup

>

> ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Anup, Harjeet and all,

> I would like to advice that once a chain is started on some topic

or on a particular chat please do not mix up the chain with some other

topic/ chart.

> Hope you understand my point. If it is mixed up with other topic,

it becomes difficult for us to understand the chart that on what topic

discussion was going on.

> For e.g. take this topic only.This topic was started by any one of

our friend and it continues with some other topic.

> It will be better for us to stop the chain and pose the topic with

some other chain so it will be easy for us to understand or to refer

that chain.

> Please do not take it in other way. If you feel it is correct then

OK otherwise also it is fine.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

> Sorry three zero in navamsa

>

> Anup

>

> " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

> Dear Ash and Harjeet,

>

> This was the chart i was aking about, but here

one zero in SAV

> and three zero in SAV if we take DST as no.

>

> February 16Th at 1:55 PM ( afternoon)(13:55) year 1976.

> born in Washington DC ( USA).

> She is unmarried and her father requested for analysis for

marriage prospetcs.

> I think Venus antra can give marriage.

> No Sat delay but Jup delay is there.

>

> I think Ash is right as he said that delay sometimes can be upto

30 years.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

> harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote:

> Dear Ashji,

> thanks for the reply.

> bonvoyage.

> would wait for more information on that.

> thanks/regards

> harjeet

>

> ,

" Ash " <kas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Harjeet,

> >

> > I have to rush to the airport, but I did have a brief chat with

> Krushanji

> > and ask him this scenario.

> >

> > 3 zereos in navamsa can cause delay, and reduce the happiness. Delay

> > sometimes maybe of 30 years.

> >

> > Thanks for asking this question. I also got some more insight into

> this. :-)

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca>

http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > _____

> >

On Behalf Of Ash

> > Thursday September 13, 2007 1:31 PM

> >

> > RE: Re: Dear Ash et All :On

the

> Creation

> > of Universe and Cosmology as applicable to

> >

> > Dear Hajreet,

> >

> > The delay calculations are as per the technique taught, i.e. say if

> Sa is in

> > 5th house in Navamsa so marriage can get delayed etc etc.

> >

> > 0's in Rasi chart are used to find delay, but 0 in d-chart has not

been

> > specified by Krushnaji.

> >

> > 0's in D chart get covered in the basic strength calculation.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca>

http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > _____

> >

On Behalf Of harjeet

> > bakshi

> > Thursday September 13, 2007 1:16 PM

> >

> > Re: Dear Ash et All :On the

> Creation of

> > Universe and Cosmology as applicable to

> >

> > Dear Anup,

> > wah wah!!

> > can you please give the birth data so other factors can be seen.

> > as per your question if i had to answer without considering other

> > factors... i am optimistic.. i would say delayed marriage .

> > remember Krushnaji said.. 50% of effect by planet rest by efforts of

> > person. and if there are blessing in chart or from up above..

> > thanks/regards

> > harjeet

> >

> > astrologyandtiminge

> > <%40>

> vents ,

> > " Anup. M "

> > <dalh_1@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Harjeet ,

> > >

> > > " us shehar mein jao,to itna use kehna,

> > > baqi na sune koi, sirf tanha usay kehna,

> > > kuch log safar kay liye mozo'n (suitable) nahi hotay,

> > > kuch raaste kate nahi tanha,itna use kehna "

> > >

> > > Now tell me,how the quality of a marriage will be, if there is

no

> > zero in SAV by any planet

> > > and three zero in navamsa and What about such case...denial

or

> > delay of marriage??

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Anup

> > >

> > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ashji,

> > > whenever one of my teacher used to give me smile.. i used to do

> > > something wrong in solving a problem... but she would not tell

me till

> > > i asked her.

> > > so did i do something wrong?

> > > thanks/regards

> > > harjeet

> > >

> > > astrologyandtiminge

> > <%40>

> vents ,

> > " ashsam73 " <kas@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Harjeet,

> > > >

> > > > :-)

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.ca> ca

> > > >

> > > > astrologyandtiminge

> > <%40>

> vents ,

> > " Ash " <kas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Harjeet,

> > > > >

> > > > > :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>

> > http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > astrologyandtiminge

> > <%40>

> vents

> > > > > [astrologyandtiminge

> > <%40>

> vents ]

> > On Behalf Of

> > harjeet

> > > > > bakshi

> > > > > Thursday September 13, 2007 11:19 AM

> > > > > astrologyandtiminge

> > <%40>

> vents

> > > > > Re: Dear Ash

et All :On the

> > > > Creation of

> > > > > Universe and Cosmology as applicable to

> > > > >

> > > > > Resp. Ashji,

> > > > > more over current antra of rahu samdhari to venus and

mars.

> > > > > mars have more points for 12th compared to 11th.

> > > > > venus has 20 for 11th and 17 for 12th.

> > > > > rahu in 9th house triggers 12th and 4th house.

> > > > > so mars points in ws and rahu's position points to

more

> > expenditure in

> > > > > current antra.

> > > > > moreover antras of mars,saturn,moon,mercury and

sun have less

> points

> > > > > in worsheet for 11th house compared to 12th.

> > > > > only jupiter and venus have a just little more points

in 11th

> > compared

> > > > > to 12th.

> > > > > plus the sav in 12th is more than 11th.

> > > > > dont we take mean of sav from sun,moon and lagna ?

> > > > > anything wrong in my thinking?

> > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > harjeet

> > > > >

> > > > > astrologyandtiminge

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40>

com,

> > > > > " Ash " <kas@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Amit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With this data u have given,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 19th May 1986

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 12:10 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > New

Delhi

> > > > > >

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> > >

> >

>

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > The points in 12th are more than 11th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, let it be.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.

> > <http://www.ashtro.ca>

ca> ca>

> > > > http://www.ashtro.

> > > > > <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _____

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40>

com

> > > > > > [astrologyandtiminge

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40>

com]

> > > > > On Behalf Of planck12

> > > > > > Wednesday September 12, 2007 7:58 PM

> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40>

com

> > > > > > Re: Dear

Ash et All

:On the

> > > > > Creation of

> > > > > > Universe and Cosmology as applicable to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > Yes, I completely concur and thats all I wanted

to clarify

> from my

> > > > > > end. Again before I leave I have another chart if

anyone wants

> > > to use

> > > > > > from educational stand point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 19 May 1986

> > > > > > 12:10pm

> > > > > > new

delhi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again i decided to relate the 11/12th house

points, in this

> chart

> > > > > > again the worksheet decided to give more points

in 11th

> house than

> > > > > > 12th. But the girl has no savings, he is quite

spendrift and

> have

> > > > > > numerous expenses as compared to her income.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also to double check other things, i decided to

check other

> > factors,

> > > > > > her brillancy for that matter. I think she has

two parts in

> saturn

> > > > > > degrees as shown with the work sheet. But she is

not very

> > > intelligent,

> > > > > > again a decent girl who is quite jovial, but she

has done a

> > > > > > certificate course and works in a local bank. As

I

understand it

> > > from

> > > > > > the notes if one part is in saturn then person

has odinary

> > > > > > intelligence and if two he/she has good

intelligence. In her

> > > case she

> > > > > > is normal like anyone else who has no part in

saturns

division.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel free to check, incase there are other things

required,

> as is

> > > > > > always the case in terms of details.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. The girl is unmarried

> > > > > > 2. Wheatish complexion

> > > > > > 3. works in a bank as teller

> > > > > > 4. From a middle class family

> > > > > > 5. Has good morals, but tends to be energetic and

hyper at

> times

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > Nicked Vish (Amit) I prefer Vish

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40>

com,

> > > > > > " Ash " <kas@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Amit / Vishy (?),

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Everyone is entitled to their own opinion

and All the more

> > > reason we

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > get back to KAS :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.

> > > > <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.ca> ca>

> > > > > ca> ca>

> > > > > http://www.ashtro.

> > > > > > <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro.ca>

ca>

> > ca> ca

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40>

com

> > > > > > > [astrologyandtiminge

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40>

com]

> > > > > > On Behalf Of

> > > > > > astroquery12

> > > > > > > Wednesday September 12, 2007 7:11 PM

> > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40>

com

> > > > > > > Dear

Ash et All :On the

> > > > > Creation of

> > > > > > > Universe and Cosmology as applicable to Astr

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > Hope you are doing well. This is Amit again,

had posted

> under a

> > > > > > > different name prior but that account did

not seem to

work and

> > > > had to

> > > > > > > create a new id.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been following the lessons for a

while and again I

> > see many

> > > > > > > in-consistencies with the system. My

intention is not to

> > refute or

> > > > > > > accept the system but purely to learn it and

see it

> > > practicality and

> > > > > > > in the process provide my thoughts in

opinions (after

all the

> > > > > > > astrology forum is a free form for

discussion). Some of my

> > > > doubts have

> > > > > > > cropped up again with the usual, 11th house

points vs 12th

> house

> > > > > > > points and the actual condition of the

charts (again this is

> > only

> > > > > > > treating the chart with KAS)as opposed to

mixing parashra

> or k.p

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On another note, perhaps I can take the

liberty to explain

> > > again on

> > > > > > > why this happens and hopefully you concur

with my points and

> > > facts.

> > > > > > > After all astrology will make more meaning

if we

understand it

> > > from

> > > > > > > all angles. You are a computer scientist (a

man of science)

> > > yourself

> > > > > > > and perhaps this description will make sense

and will take a

> > > purely

> > > > > > > scientific approach to it:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sure you are familiar at least on the

basic level with

> > > > Einstein's

> > > > > > > relativity and the other theory called

Quantum Mechanics.

> > > During the

> > > > > > > creation of the universe at the point of big

bang it is

widely

> > > > > > > believed that there were four fundamental

forces in the

> > universe:

> > > > > > > Gravity, electromagnetic, weak nuclear and

strong nuclear.

> It is

> > > > also

> > > > > > > now very well accepted that relativity

explains Gravity very

> > > > elegantly

> > > > > > > and that the theory has been tested to the

point of

> calculations

> > > > > > > pertaning to perhilion of mercury (closest

pass to the

> sun) with

> > > > > > > accuracy. On the other hand Quantum

mechanics has done

well in

> > > > > > > unifying the other three forces of the

electromagnetic and

> > nuclear

> > > > > > > nature. BUT a BIG TWIST comes into the

picture.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Realivity claims that events (spacetime

continum is 4D)

> are all

> > > > > > > associated together and there is no concept

of past and

> > future or

> > > > > > > present and in simple terms the destiney is

already

> written and

> > > > > > > nothing can change it, so given the right

set of laws

one can

> > > > predict

> > > > > > > the course of life and the cosmos

(relativistic

conditions on

> > > > > > > cosmology)to a complete accurate picture

based on fundametal

> > field

> > > > > > > equations of einstein. Again Einstein spent

much of his life

> > > > finding a

> > > > > > > Unified theory that would unify

electromagnetics with

> > gravity BUT

> > > > > > FAILED.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On the other hand QUANTUM MECHANICS claims

that nothing in

> > life is

> > > > > > > predictable infact everything is a

probability. And QM

> explains

> > > > atoms

> > > > > > > etc the world of sub atomic very well (this

would

include the

> > > brain)

> > > > > > > the body etc, after all brain is essential a

complex neural

> > > network

> > > > > > > working on neurotransmitters signals which

are electrical in

> > > > nature.

> > > > > > > So it is quite justified that QM is

applicable to us as well

> > > > since we

> > > > > > > are made of atoms, eletrons etc. But the

problem you run

into

> > > > with QM

> > > > > > > is that nothing is certain and that

everything is

> described as a

> > > > > > > probablity wave function of something called

the

> scrhorodingers

> > > > > > > equation. I would want you to refer to the

thought

experiment

> > > termed

> > > > > > > " Schroender's Cat " which is

hard for me to explain on this

> fourm

> > > > but I

> > > > > > > am sure you will take the initiative of

reading it, in short

> > every

> > > > > > > observation made my an reference observer

will change the

> > > course of

> > > > > > > this obervation directly or indirectly

depending on the

> > > observation

> > > > > > > being made. Simply put, there is too much

random ness

existent

> > > > in this

> > > > > > > universe to be able to describe anything in

any accruancy,

> > > > especially

> > > > > > > when it comes to life or the atomic scale.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now applying the above theories to describe

astrology, many

> > of the

> > > > > > > General predictions we make about the past

or even the

> future at

> > > > times

> > > > > > > happen to come true, yet there are many more

predictions

> we made

> > > > that

> > > > > > > do not come true at all. Because we are

juggling between

> > > certainity

> > > > > > > and chaos and that is not the fault or

positive aspect of

> anyone

> > > > > > > astrological system but rather the law of

nature (God if

> you may

> > > > call

> > > > > > > it). You have claimed in your past emails

that KAS is very

> > > accurate

> > > > > > > however on my sincere application of these

principles I have

> > > > found it

> > > > > > > smiliar to any other system because the rate

of predicition

> > > does not

> > > > > > > change much as compared to prashara or k.p

or jaimini

for that

> > > > > matter.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is however a different story if we only

look at the

> positive

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > > and not realise the shortcomings of any

system. My

approach is

> > > > to look

> > > > > > > at the short comings of this system simply because

it

> might help

> > > > > > > improve the system in some other way (again

thats not

job). My

> > > sole

> > > > > > > intention for this posting has been to again

reiterate on a

> > > > scientific

> > > > > > > ground the limitations of astrology and that

of human

mind and

> > > > that no

> > > > > > > matter how hard we try we will be bound by

many

> contraints. You

> > > > might

> > > > > > > claim that KAS predictions have come true,

but I have

applied

> > > basic

> > > > > > > principles of many charts some of which have

yielded

> results but

> > > > again

> > > > > > > some of them have not yielded the correct

results (this

I see

> > > > with an

> > > > > > > open mind) leading me to believe and again

affirm with the

> > > view that

> > > > > > > astrology has limitations on what can be

predicted. Any when

> > > we are

> > > > > > > bound by such limitations then ethically we

should take

a more

> > > > > > > cautious approach in predicting in the first

place and

> perhaps a

> > > > more

> > > > > > > understanding, less materialistic (making

money out of

> > astrology)

> > > > > > > attitude in researching things. This would

also involve

being

> > > > open to

> > > > > > > genuine thoughts weather pro or against any

system in the

> > > betterment

> > > > > > > of knowledge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To end it Einstein once said " God does

not play dice

with the

> > > > > > > Universe " on seeing Quatum Mechanics

back in the 30s he was

> > > > > > > diasspointed with QM because he felt there

was no free will

> > > and that

> > > > > > > there was no such thing as probablity. A

famous Quautum

> > > Theorist (I

> > > > > > > will let you figure out who) responded by

saying " Not only

> > > does God

> > > > > > > play dice with Us, He also puts it in places

where we cannot

> > find

> > > > > it " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope you see this message not as a

threat to your

> > system but

> > > > > > > rather as an open ended question to ponder

on keeping aside

> > > > > > > ego,predjuice or any other negative

emotions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards and Best

> > > > > > > Amit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > who knows.

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> > >

> >

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September 15, 2007

Dear Amit,

Read it as 5 + 2 = 7 charts. I have solved all 7 charts.

You haven’t answered my questions as yet or not taken pains

to find out the answer J

Still awaiting.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of Ash

Saturday September 15, 2007

10:58 AM

RE:

Re: Dear Ash et All :On the Creation of Universe and

Cosmology as applicable to

Dear Amit,

In none of the charts enough data is given to make sure that the time

is authentic, I am sure you have read the introductory page of the list.

To make full study of the chart, the birth time must be

accurate. Otherwise it’s of no use.

I am making an effort in 4 charts that you have given. In

each of the chart I am giving you explanation as per lessons.

In the first chart, tell me the following.

1) Calculate the marriage time and tell me if it’s proper.

Please give me proper methodology and calculation for the same as per lessons.

2) Tell me the WS points of first chart, since Ketu antra started for

11th and 12th house.

3) Tell me the overall SAV for 11th house as well.

4) Tell me how many planets have more than 12 points in 11th

house.

5) In 2005, what was Sa transit, i.e. over entire cancer lagna.

From when to when.

Chart 2 – Need more data to confirm. Ju in libra, Ve to

Sun 47 etc, similar to the first chart you gave of the person you know.

Chart 3 – Tell me the points in Ju antra for 11th

and 12th house. You will find that 11th = 20 and 12th

is 21. See points in 10th house as well. Its only 22 in

SAV. 3 ore more planets are in unccha sthan or MT.

Chart 4 – Doing online stock trading. Speculation

related. Check points in 5th house. All houses have less

than 12 points only Ju has 12 points which aspects House C for 5th

as B and its unccha so its aspect is worst.

Chart 5 – Data might need rectification.

When you are using KAS, please make sure u are using the parameters

given as per lessons.

You have given 5 charts now and 2 charts in the past. 1 of

person you know, 2nd of the chart with 11th points less

than 12th in SAV and 5 charts here. I have solved all 5 charts

here and here giving you and approach as per KAS. Its better first you

spend time to understand and grasp KAS and first before that understand what is

the meaning of BAV, SAV, Points.

I had asked you this question in the beginning itself, and u did

not take it seriously.

If you do not understand what each thing means, there is no point

opening the WS, its better to use other technique that u can grasp and

understand.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of astroquery12

Saturday September 15, 2007

6:25 AM

Re: Dear Ash et All :On the Creation of Universe and Cosmology as applicable to

Dear Ash

and Anup,