Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Ash,and the list Going through the lesson on Jupiter delay. I noticed that Jupiter will cause delay if he aspects say house B and is lord of A as long as he has <4 points in House A in his BAV. Now the question is what about shani? If shani becomes lord of a/b or C and the other condiations of saturn delay are met for the other two houses. Does saturn also has to have < 4 points in the house he owns to qualify for full delay ? Many times saturn does have < 4 points anyway and it just happens by default. But what if saturn has > 4 points for house A/B or C ? Thanks Satish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Satish, No, for Saturn the rules are a bit different from Jupiter. Sa is a natural malefic whereas Ju is a natural benefic. Saturn’s natural quality is to delay and Jupiter will delay under specific conditions only. So the place where Sa is irrespective of the bindus it has, it affects the house and it is not the case with Jupiter. If Saturn owns ABorC house then that house is affected for Saturn, for Jupiter if it owns then as per the lesson, the SAV must be less than 4 means means its malefic for the house. So here we are finding if Ju is malefic for the house it owns whereas Saturn is natural malefic and delay causing planet so irrespective of the fact that if Sa owns house ABC and irrespective of the bindus it has in that house, it will affect the house. I think it will be clear now. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of SPK Thursday October 25, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Question: Shani Delay Dear Ash,and the list Going through the lesson on Jupiter delay. I noticed that Jupiter will cause delay if he aspects say house B and is lord of A as long as he has <4 points in House A in his BAV. Now the question is what about shani? If shani becomes lord of a/b or C and the other condiations of saturn delay are met for the other two houses. Does saturn also has to have < 4 points in the house he owns to qualify for full delay ? Many times saturn does have < 4 points anyway and it just happens by default. But what if saturn has > 4 points for house A/B or C ? Thanks Satish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Ashji/Donna/Satish, a) in the lesson 36. its said that jupiter's malefic sight is only considered but not conjunction. what if jupiter is with less than 4 points and is conjunction with lord of A and B both ? can we take it as delay by jupiter ? b) when it aspects lords in navamsa, its only considered whether jupiter is benefic or malefic in rasi. so we dont have to take points of jupiter in navamsa or you can say check if jupiter is malefic or benefic in navamsa ? thanks/regards harjeet , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > > > No, for Saturn the rules are a bit different from Jupiter. Sa is a natural > malefic whereas Ju is a natural benefic. > > Saturn's natural quality is to delay and Jupiter will delay under specific > conditions only. So the place where Sa is irrespective of the bindus it > has, it affects the house and it is not the case with Jupiter. > > If Saturn owns ABorC house then that house is affected for Saturn, for > Jupiter if it owns then as per the lesson, the SAV must be less than 4 means > means its malefic for the house. So here we are finding if Ju is malefic > for the house it owns whereas Saturn is natural malefic and delay causing > planet so irrespective of the fact that if Sa owns house ABC and > irrespective of the bindus it has in that house, it will affect the house. > > I think it will be clear now. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of SPK > Thursday October 25, 2007 8:22 AM > > Question: Shani Delay > > > > Dear Ash,and the list > > Going through the lesson on Jupiter delay. I noticed > that Jupiter will cause delay if he aspects say house > B and is lord of A as long as he has <4 points in > House A in his BAV. > > Now the question is what about shani? If shani becomes > lord of a/b or C and the other condiations of saturn > delay are met for the other two houses. Does saturn > also has to have < 4 points in the house he owns to > qualify for full delay ? Many times saturn does have < > 4 points anyway and it just happens by default. But > what if saturn has > 4 points for house A/B or C ? > > Thanks > > Satish > > > > > http://mail. <> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Harjeet, Brilliant question about Ju being with less points and conjoining LoA and LoB. Here for that please wait J. I am happy that u are thinking on proper track. I have asked Krushnaji this question and he said that these laws he has given are basics. There is more theory portion is to be covered and that Krushnaji will give us. Now basic thing and sure shot delay is given in this lesson. This is just a start. Once more theory is covered then that can be applied and things will get clear. Basic thing is that MALEFIC aspect of Jupiter on LoA, House A and LoB or House B will definitely delay. Worst is when Ju is 6th lord and it aspects LoA / House A and LoB / House B then it can cause separation during its antra (link it back to lesson) I am very happy to see this question. Try it on charts and let me know. If you have some charts with Ju with less than 4 bindus conjoining LoA and LoB then what is the facts? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of harjeet bakshi Thursday October 25, 2007 11:29 AM Re: Question: Shani Delay Dear Ashji/Donna/Satish, a) in the lesson 36. its said that jupiter's malefic sight is only considered but not conjunction. what if jupiter is with less than 4 points and is conjunction with lord of A and B both ? can we take it as delay by jupiter ? b) when it aspects lords in navamsa, its only considered whether jupiter is benefic or malefic in rasi. so we dont have to take points of jupiter in navamsa or you can say check if jupiter is malefic or benefic in navamsa ? thanks/regards harjeet , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > > > No, for Saturn the rules are a bit different from Jupiter. Sa is a natural > malefic whereas Ju is a natural benefic. > > Saturn's natural quality is to delay and Jupiter will delay under specific > conditions only. So the place where Sa is irrespective of the bindus it > has, it affects the house and it is not the case with Jupiter. > > If Saturn owns ABorC house then that house is affected for Saturn, for > Jupiter if it owns then as per the lesson, the SAV must be less than 4 means > means its malefic for the house. So here we are finding if Ju is malefic > for the house it owns whereas Saturn is natural malefic and delay causing > planet so irrespective of the fact that if Sa owns house ABC and > irrespective of the bindus it has in that house, it will affect the house. > > I think it will be clear now. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of SPK > Thursday October 25, 2007 8:22 AM > > Question: Shani Delay > > > > Dear Ash,and the list > > Going through the lesson on Jupiter delay. I noticed > that Jupiter will cause delay if he aspects say house > B and is lord of A as long as he has <4 points in > House A in his BAV. > > Now the question is what about shani? If shani becomes > lord of a/b or C and the other condiations of saturn > delay are met for the other two houses. Does saturn > also has to have < 4 points in the house he owns to > qualify for full delay ? Many times saturn does have < > 4 points anyway and it just happens by default. But > what if saturn has > 4 points for house A/B or C ? > > Thanks > > Satish > > > > > http://mail. <> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Ash, Could you please shed light on the quantification of delay. May Krushnaji is going to give that in next lesson. Ramesh had achart that had Shani and Guru delay, but when guru delay will be over is not clear. Satish P.S. Also waiting for the lesson on when to look at the chart from moon. --- Ash <kas wrote: > Dear Harjeet, > > Brilliant question about Ju being with less points > and conjoining LoA and > LoB. Here for that please wait :-). > > I am happy that u are thinking on proper track. > > I have asked Krushnaji this question and he said > that these laws he has > given are basics. There is more theory portion is > to be covered and that > Krushnaji will give us. > > Now basic thing and sure shot delay is given in this > lesson. This is just a > start. Once more theory is covered then that can be > applied and things will > get clear. > > Basic thing is that MALEFIC aspect of Jupiter on > LoA, House A and LoB or > House B will definitely delay. Worst is when Ju is > 6th lord and it aspects > LoA / House A and LoB / House B then it can cause > separation during its > antra (link it back to lesson) > > I am very happy to see this question. Try it on > charts and let me know. If > you have some charts with Ju with less than 4 bindus > conjoining LoA and LoB > then what is the facts? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On > Behalf Of harjeet > bakshi > Thursday October 25, 2007 11:29 AM > > Re: Question: > Shani Delay > > > > Dear Ashji/Donna/Satish, > a) > in the lesson 36. its said that jupiter's malefic > sight is only > considered but not conjunction. > what if jupiter is with less than 4 points and is > conjunction with > lord of A and B both ? > can we take it as delay by jupiter ? > b) when it aspects lords in navamsa, its only > considered whether > jupiter is benefic or malefic in rasi. so we dont > have to take points > of jupiter in navamsa or you can say check if > jupiter is malefic or > benefic in navamsa ? > > thanks/regards > harjeet > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents , > " Ash " <kas wrote: > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > No, for Saturn the rules are a bit different from > Jupiter. Sa is a > natural > > malefic whereas Ju is a natural benefic. > > > > Saturn's natural quality is to delay and Jupiter > will delay under > specific > > conditions only. So the place where Sa is > irrespective of the bindus it > > has, it affects the house and it is not the case > with Jupiter. > > > > If Saturn owns ABorC house then that house is > affected for Saturn, for > > Jupiter if it owns then as per the lesson, the SAV > must be less than > 4 means > > means its malefic for the house. So here we are > finding if Ju is > malefic > > for the house it owns whereas Saturn is natural > malefic and delay > causing > > planet so irrespective of the fact that if Sa owns > house ABC and > > irrespective of the bindus it has in that house, > it will affect the > house. > > > > I think it will be clear now. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> > ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents > > [astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents ] > On Behalf Of SPK > > Thursday October 25, 2007 8:22 AM > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents > > Question: > Shani Delay > > > > > > > > Dear Ash,and the list > > > > Going through the lesson on Jupiter delay. I > noticed > > that Jupiter will cause delay if he aspects say > house > > B and is lord of A as long as he has <4 points in > > House A in his BAV. > > > > Now the question is what about shani? If shani > becomes > > lord of a/b or C and the other condiations of > saturn > > delay are met for the other two houses. Does > saturn > > also has to have < 4 points in the house he owns > to > > qualify for full delay ? Many times saturn does > have < > > 4 points anyway and it just happens by default. > But > > what if saturn has > 4 points for house A/B or C ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail. <http://mail. <> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Ashji, thanks very much. i dont have a chart as yet... but would post it as soon as i get one. i know more is still to come on this by Krushnaji.. but was just thinking what happens when the aspect of jupiter is malefic on B or its lord ..but jupiter happens to be lord of D or E ? should it still cause delay ? thanks/regards harjeet , " Ash " <kas wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > Brilliant question about Ju being with less points and conjoining LoA and > LoB. Here for that please wait :-). > > I am happy that u are thinking on proper track. > > I have asked Krushnaji this question and he said that these laws he has > given are basics. There is more theory portion is to be covered and that > Krushnaji will give us. > > Now basic thing and sure shot delay is given in this lesson. This is just a > start. Once more theory is covered then that can be applied and things will > get clear. > > Basic thing is that MALEFIC aspect of Jupiter on LoA, House A and LoB or > House B will definitely delay. Worst is when Ju is 6th lord and it aspects > LoA / House A and LoB / House B then it can cause separation during its > antra (link it back to lesson) > > I am very happy to see this question. Try it on charts and let me know. If > you have some charts with Ju with less than 4 bindus conjoining LoA and LoB > then what is the facts? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of harjeet > bakshi > Thursday October 25, 2007 11:29 AM > > Re: Question: Shani Delay > > > > Dear Ashji/Donna/Satish, > a) > in the lesson 36. its said that jupiter's malefic sight is only > considered but not conjunction. > what if jupiter is with less than 4 points and is conjunction with > lord of A and B both ? > can we take it as delay by jupiter ? > b) when it aspects lords in navamsa, its only considered whether > jupiter is benefic or malefic in rasi. so we dont have to take points > of jupiter in navamsa or you can say check if jupiter is malefic or > benefic in navamsa ? > > thanks/regards > harjeet > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents , > " Ash " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > No, for Saturn the rules are a bit different from Jupiter. Sa is a > natural > > malefic whereas Ju is a natural benefic. > > > > Saturn's natural quality is to delay and Jupiter will delay under > specific > > conditions only. So the place where Sa is irrespective of the bindus it > > has, it affects the house and it is not the case with Jupiter. > > > > If Saturn owns ABorC house then that house is affected for Saturn, for > > Jupiter if it owns then as per the lesson, the SAV must be less than > 4 means > > means its malefic for the house. So here we are finding if Ju is > malefic > > for the house it owns whereas Saturn is natural malefic and delay > causing > > planet so irrespective of the fact that if Sa owns house ABC and > > irrespective of the bindus it has in that house, it will affect the > house. > > > > I think it will be clear now. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents > > [astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents ] > On Behalf Of SPK > > Thursday October 25, 2007 8:22 AM > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents > > Question: Shani Delay > > > > > > > > Dear Ash,and the list > > > > Going through the lesson on Jupiter delay. I noticed > > that Jupiter will cause delay if he aspects say house > > B and is lord of A as long as he has <4 points in > > House A in his BAV. > > > > Now the question is what about shani? If shani becomes > > lord of a/b or C and the other condiations of saturn > > delay are met for the other two houses. Does saturn > > also has to have < 4 points in the house he owns to > > qualify for full delay ? Many times saturn does have < > > 4 points anyway and it just happens by default. But > > what if saturn has > 4 points for house A/B or C ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > http://mail. <http://mail. <> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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