Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Dear friends, Here is birth details of a female native who was born on 17 Nov 1994 at 03:35 AM at the place of 30 N 55, 75 E 52 INDIA. kindly find out what event took place on 22 Oct 2007 in the morning in the life of the native ? I got the Asc. as 18 Vi 14. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Dear Ramesh, Thanks for posting the quiz. It is a very interesting chart and a bit difficult for me to analyze. Dasha was ve/me. Me is SD to ma, ma opposes mo. Mo is eager to give results for 3rd, 6th and 11th houses. Me is also in opposition to Mo. Sa reduces quality of 12th, 3rd and 8th houses. Ve MD is also SD to ma which opposes results for 4th house. Ve represents 2nd and 7th. Hence I would conclude that she was victimized and it causes threat to her life and maybe the person perpetrating the victimization was someone close to her or from her family. She seems to be from a poor family background. Thanks & Regards, Manu On Behalf Of ramesh mishra Friday, October 26, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 Dear friends, Here is birth details of a female native who was born on 17 Nov 1994 at 03:35 AM at the place of 30 N 55, 75 E 52 INDIA. kindly find out what event took place on 22 Oct 2007 in the morning in the life of the native ? I got the Asc. as 18 Vi 14. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1084 - Release 10/21/2007 3:09 PM Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1084 - Release 10/21/2007 3:09 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Dear Manu/Ramesh, yes its kind of very interesting and difficult quiz. here mercury is also samdhari to saturn as its in navamsa of saturn. saturn has very low points for almost all the houses. 8th house is less comparison to 6th house. 8th house is for suffering/sorrow too. 7th house is having less points too for saturn. 22nd october falls under venus/mars pdf. which are also samdhari to mercury. mars is very strong for all the houses. very hard to to say anything concrete for me. dont want to guess anything. thanks/regards harjeet , " Manu V Batura " <astro.manu wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > Thanks for posting the quiz. It is a very interesting chart and a bit > difficult for me to analyze. > > > > Dasha was ve/me. Me is SD to ma, ma opposes mo. Mo is eager to give results > for 3rd, 6th and 11th houses. Me is also in opposition to Mo. Sa reduces > quality of 12th, 3rd and 8th houses. Ve MD is also SD to ma which opposes > results for 4th house. Ve represents 2nd and 7th. > > > > Hence I would conclude that she was victimized and it causes threat to her > life and maybe the person perpetrating the victimization was someone close > to her or from her family. She seems to be from a poor family background. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of ramesh mishra > Friday, October 26, 2007 11:47 AM > > Re: Quiz ASBC 3 > > > > Dear friends, > > Here is birth details of a female native who was born on 17 Nov 1994 at > 03:35 AM at the place of 30 N 55, 75 E 52 INDIA. > > kindly find out what event took place on 22 Oct 2007 in the morning in the > life of the native ? > > I got the Asc. as 18 Vi 14. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > _____ > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is HYPERLINK > " http://in.rd./tagline_mail_1/*http:/help./l/in//mail > /mail/tools/tools-08.html/ " just a click away. > > > > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1084 - Release Date: 10/21/2007 > 3:09 PM > > > > > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1084 - Release Date: 10/21/2007 > 3:09 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Dear Ramesh,Manu,Harjeet and all, As we all know each house has so many attributes that it is really tough to pin point any of these without experience and hard work. Anyway, its a part of learning process and we sld continue this being learner. As per chart,she is thru Venus>mercury antra. So during Venus MD, results related to 2nd and 7th can be felt if this is an important event. Mercury antra is eager to give results for 1,4,5 & 8th houses. On 22nd Oct 2007, Sun was transiting thru Libra along with Mercury and in Mars conselletation.So involvement of Venus and Mars can be also considered. Venus is LoD for 5th house and LoE for 9th house. Satrun give one zero in 5th house in SAV. During transit on 22nd oct,Mars was aspecting 5th house a zero Zone. Taking 5th house as A, this cld be worrying situation for 10th house matters like achieving some sort of success etc Her 5th house is weak getting 19 points. So things cld be related to 5th and 9th hosue matters Saturn +Jup points are 7 in total during transit. Enviroment is slightly not in favour if we consider these points as on day. Also,on 19th and 20th Oct2007,daily points were low as 191 each day,rising to 207 and 207 on 21st and 22nd oct2007 & again falling to 195-195. If we take a look at Mercury as A,B and C points as per position ,it has 11 points each in 3rd,8th and 11th. So things might not be in favour for her individuality,disappointment to prove herself,and in getting upper step as per her desires. Regards Anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear friends, Here is birth details of a female native who was born on 17 Nov 1994 at 03:35 AM at the place of 30 N 55, 75 E 52 INDIA. kindly find out what event took place on 22 Oct 2007 in the morning in the life of the native ? I got the Asc. as 18 Vi 14. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Hi Ramesh, Mercury has 7 points and will give results for 5th and 9th house, as they are 4th and 8th from his place ment. From lordship mercury will give results for 4,8, 5 and 1st house. So we get 5th house twice in this scenario. Maercury is also samadharmi to shani ( Although shani antara has already paased and mercury does not have to step up for shani, but shani is 5th and 6th lord. Again the 5th house is involved. Also shani has 0 point in his BAV in the 5th house. I am also noticing that mercury is samadharmi to mangal as it is 4th from it with mangal having less points and may do mangal's bidding as well.Mars was also aspecting the 5th house in transit on that day Mars has 35 points for house 8 and so does shani with 34 points. As mercury is lagna lord and is eager to give results for 5th. I have a feeling the person may have passed away. Although I sincerely hope I am not right Satish --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear friends, > Here is birth details of a female native who was > born on 17 Nov 1994 at 03:35 AM at the place of 30 N > 55, 75 E 52 INDIA. > kindly find out what event took place on 22 Oct > 2007 in the morning in the life of the native ? > I got the Asc. as 18 Vi 14. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Dear Satish, Very good analysis given by you. Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house. 5TH house is for children , love , emotions. studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip and so on. Then how do you approach to the passing away for native ? If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D for 8th. Its lord is Sa. Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points in WS Sa should have given the event of death during its antara itself Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma aspects house D and LoD . So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of 1st and 8th during its main period. The MD is that of Ve . So I meant to ask you how did you mean the passing away of native ? Will you please clarify your conclusion taking help of KAS ? Thanks. Ramesh MishraSPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Hi Ramesh,Mercury has 7 points and will give results for 5th and9th house, as they are 4th and 8th from his placement. From lordship mercury will give results for 4,8,5 and 1st house.So we get 5th house twice in this scenario. Maercuryis also samadharmi to shani ( Although shani antarahas already paased and mercury does not have to stepup for shani, but shani is 5th and 6th lord. Again the5th house is involved. Also shani has 0 point in hisBAV in the 5th house.I am also noticing that mercury is samadharmi tomangal as it is 4th from it with mangal having lesspoints and may do mangal's bidding as well.Mars wasalso aspecting the 5th house in transit on that dayMars has 35 points for house 8 and so does shani with34 points. As mercury is lagna lord and is eager togive results for 5th. I have a feeling the person mayhave passed away.Although I sincerely hope I am not rightSatish--- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in>wrote:> Dear friends,> Here is birth details of a female native who was> born on 17 Nov 1994 at 03:35 AM at the place of 30 N> 55, 75 E 52 INDIA.> kindly find out what event took place on 22 Oct> 2007 in the morning in the life of the native ?> I got the Asc. as 18 Vi 14.> Thanks and regards.> Ramesh Mishra> > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a> click away. Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Dear Ramesh, The only reason I came to such conclusion is because as you mentioned, 5th is D for 8th also mercury is E for 8th. The one thing that stuck with me was moon and ketu together is 8th ( Kind of arishta yoga) Also from moon Mercury becomes 6th and 3rd lord and sitting in 7th from moon a maraka house. I also noticed shani was in mrityu bhaaga. One more point that I considered was what late Narendra desai had said that budha is younger brother of shani and shani is fond of budh and shani wants to do the work but wants budh to get credit. This is like samadharmi concept. Usually shani if his dasha runs firt in matters of longevity will take prcedence to any other maraka, but here i thought he may let budh take the credit. This may be completely off the real event/answer, but thats the resoning I had. Satish --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Satish, > Very good analysis given by you. > Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house. > 5TH house is for children , love , emotions. > studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip and so > on. > Then how do you approach to the passing away for > native ? > If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D for > 8th. Its lord is Sa. > Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points in > WS > Sa should have given the event of death during its > antara itself > Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma > aspects house D and LoD . > So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of 1st > and 8th during its main period. > The MD is that of Ve . > So I meant to ask you how did you mean the passing > away of native ? > Will you please clarify your conclusion taking > help of KAS ? > Thanks. > Ramesh Mishra > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Hi Ramesh, > > Mercury has 7 points and will give results for 5th > and > 9th house, as they are 4th and 8th from his place > ment. From lordship mercury will give results for > 4,8, > 5 and 1st house. > > So we get 5th house twice in this scenario. Maercury > is also samadharmi to shani ( Although shani antara > has already paased and mercury does not have to step > up for shani, but shani is 5th and 6th lord. Again > the > 5th house is involved. Also shani has 0 point in his > BAV in the 5th house. > > I am also noticing that mercury is samadharmi to > mangal as it is 4th from it with mangal having less > points and may do mangal's bidding as well.Mars was > also aspecting the 5th house in transit on that day > > Mars has 35 points for house 8 and so does shani > with > 34 points. As mercury is lagna lord and is eager to > give results for 5th. I have a feeling the person > may > have passed away. > > Although I sincerely hope I am not right > > Satish > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > Here is birth details of a female native who was > > born on 17 Nov 1994 at 03:35 AM at the place of 30 > N > > 55, 75 E 52 INDIA. > > kindly find out what event took place on 22 Oct > > 2007 in the morning in the life of the native ? > > I got the Asc. as 18 Vi 14. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > click away. > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message > archive online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Dear Satish, Very interesting explanation. There seems to be a lot to learn from it. Thanks & Regards, Manu On Behalf Of SPK Monday, October 29, 2007 2:53 AM Re: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 Dear Ramesh, The only reason I came to such conclusion is because as you mentioned, 5th is D for 8th also mercury is E for 8th. The one thing that stuck with me was moon and ketu together is 8th ( Kind of arishta yoga) Also from moon Mercury becomes 6th and 3rd lord and sitting in 7th from moon a maraka house. I also noticed shani was in mrityu bhaaga. One more point that I considered was what late Narendra desai had said that budha is younger brother of shani and shani is fond of budh and shani wants to do the work but wants budh to get credit. This is like samadharmi concept. Usually shani if his dasha runs firt in matters of longevity will take prcedence to any other maraka, but here i thought he may let budh take the credit. This may be completely off the real event/answer, but thats the resoning I had. Satish --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Satish, > Very good analysis given by you. > Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house. > 5TH house is for children , love , emotions. > studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip and so > on. > Then how do you approach to the passing away for > native ? > If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D for > 8th. Its lord is Sa. > Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points in > WS > Sa should have given the event of death during its > antara itself > Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma > aspects house D and LoD . > So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of 1st > and 8th during its main period. > The MD is that of Ve . > So I meant to ask you how did you mean the passing > away of native ? > Will you please clarify your conclusion taking > help of KAS ? > Thanks. > Ramesh Mishra > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Hi Ramesh, > > Mercury has 7 points and will give results for 5th > and > 9th house, as they are 4th and 8th from his place > ment. From lordship mercury will give results for > 4,8, > 5 and 1st house. > > So we get 5th house twice in this scenario. Maercury > is also samadharmi to shani ( Although shani antara > has already paased and mercury does not have to step > up for shani, but shani is 5th and 6th lord. Again > the > 5th house is involved. Also shani has 0 point in his > BAV in the 5th house. > > I am also noticing that mercury is samadharmi to > mangal as it is 4th from it with mangal having less > points and may do mangal's bidding as well.Mars was > also aspecting the 5th house in transit on that day > > Mars has 35 points for house 8 and so does shani > with > 34 points. As mercury is lagna lord and is eager to > give results for 5th. I have a feeling the person > may > have passed away. > > Although I sincerely hope I am not right > > Satish > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > Here is birth details of a female native who was > > born on 17 Nov 1994 at 03:35 AM at the place of 30 > N > > 55, 75 E 52 INDIA. > > kindly find out what event took place on 22 Oct > > 2007 in the morning in the life of the native ? > > I got the Asc. as 18 Vi 14. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > click away. > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message > archive online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Dear Satish, Me and Sa relationship is not like samdharmi like say Ve and Sa. I think I had written a detailed post regarding the relationship. Capricorn is Karak for Gemini and Virgo is karak for Aquarius. For Virgo, Saturn being lord of Aquarius becomes LoE and Me i.e. Lord of Gemini becomes LoD. For Capricorn, Mercury i.e Lord of Gemini becomes LoE and Venus becomes LoD. So here Me can’t replace Saturn nor will Saturn replace Me, however, for Capricorn, Mercury will become eager to give result as it becomes LoE and for Virgo, Saturn will become LoE. Now for Gemini, Saturn won’t be eager to give result, as its not LoD or LoE but it will instead control the status of Gemini as it becomes Karak. For Aquarius, Mercury won’t become eager to give result as its not LoD or LoE but it will control the result of Aquarius as it will become Karak sthan. So there is a slight difference as compared to the relationship of say Venus and Saturn where they are both 4:10 and 5:9 from each others house and thereby become NSD. It is not so in the case of Sa and Me but instead they share the relationship as above. Maybe that is what Late Narendra Desai might be trying to communicate, but I can’t speak for him, those who knew him or read his books might know better and can confirm. The above is from KAS view point i.e the way we would approach it using KAS and based on Kalpurush chart. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of SPK Sunday October 28, 2007 4:23 PM Re: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 Dear Ramesh, The only reason I came to such conclusion is because as you mentioned, 5th is D for 8th also mercury is E for 8th. The one thing that stuck with me was moon and ketu together is 8th ( Kind of arishta yoga) Also from moon Mercury becomes 6th and 3rd lord and sitting in 7th from moon a maraka house. I also noticed shani was in mrityu bhaaga. One more point that I considered was what late Narendra desai had said that budha is younger brother of shani and shani is fond of budh and shani wants to do the work but wants budh to get credit. This is like samadharmi concept. Usually shani if his dasha runs firt in matters of longevity will take prcedence to any other maraka, but here i thought he may let budh take the credit. This may be completely off the real event/answer, but thats the resoning I had. Satish --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear Satish, > Very good analysis given by you. > Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house. > 5TH house is for children , love , emotions. > studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip and so > on. > Then how do you approach to the passing away for > native ? > If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D for > 8th. Its lord is Sa. > Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points in > WS > Sa should have given the event of death during its > antara itself > Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma > aspects house D and LoD . > So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of 1st > and 8th during its main period. > The MD is that of Ve . > So I meant to ask you how did you mean the passing > away of native ? > Will you please clarify your conclusion taking > help of KAS ? > Thanks. > Ramesh Mishra > > SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote: > Hi Ramesh, > > Mercury has 7 points and will give results for 5th > and > 9th house, as they are 4th and 8th from his place > ment. From lordship mercury will give results for > 4,8, > 5 and 1st house. > > So we get 5th house twice in this scenario. Maercury > is also samadharmi to shani ( Although shani antara > has already paased and mercury does not have to step > up for shani, but shani is 5th and 6th lord. Again > the > 5th house is involved. Also shani has 0 point in his > BAV in the 5th house. > > I am also noticing that mercury is samadharmi to > mangal as it is 4th from it with mangal having less > points and may do mangal's bidding as well.Mars was > also aspecting the 5th house in transit on that day > > Mars has 35 points for house 8 and so does shani > with > 34 points. As mercury is lagna lord and is eager to > give results for 5th. I have a feeling the person > may > have passed away. > > Although I sincerely hope I am not right > > Satish > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > Here is birth details of a female native who was > > born on 17 Nov 1994 at 03:35 AM at the place of 30 > N > > 55, 75 E 52 INDIA. > > kindly find out what event took place on 22 Oct > > 2007 in the morning in the life of the native ? > > I got the Asc. as 18 Vi 14. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > click away. > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message > archive online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Dear Satish, Another thing I can add is that Mercury is NK for 8th house matters. So if u take death then Me becomes natural karak for death, but Saturn is the karak i.e. Capricorn for 3rd house so infact it might give life. In standard texts, Saturn is denoted as Karak for death, but if a persons 10th house is strong then that might mean more life. Saturn will control the status of Mercury who is the karak for 8th house. That might be the reason in VA its given that Sa is karak for death, but instead it’s the natural lord of 10th house and karak or end of 3rd and 3rd is end of 8th and 8th is end of 1st. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of SPK Sunday October 28, 2007 4:23 PM Re: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 Dear Ramesh, The only reason I came to such conclusion is because as you mentioned, 5th is D for 8th also mercury is E for 8th. The one thing that stuck with me was moon and ketu together is 8th ( Kind of arishta yoga) Also from moon Mercury becomes 6th and 3rd lord and sitting in 7th from moon a maraka house. I also noticed shani was in mrityu bhaaga. One more point that I considered was what late Narendra desai had said that budha is younger brother of shani and shani is fond of budh and shani wants to do the work but wants budh to get credit. This is like samadharmi concept. Usually shani if his dasha runs firt in matters of longevity will take prcedence to any other maraka, but here i thought he may let budh take the credit. This may be completely off the real event/answer, but thats the resoning I had. Satish --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear Satish, > Very good analysis given by you. > Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house. > 5TH house is for children , love , emotions. > studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip and so > on. > Then how do you approach to the passing away for > native ? > If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D for > 8th. Its lord is Sa. > Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points in > WS > Sa should have given the event of death during its > antara itself > Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma > aspects house D and LoD . > So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of 1st > and 8th during its main period. > The MD is that of Ve . > So I meant to ask you how did you mean the passing > away of native ? > Will you please clarify your conclusion taking > help of KAS ? > Thanks. > Ramesh Mishra > > SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote: > Hi Ramesh, > > Mercury has 7 points and will give results for 5th > and > 9th house, as they are 4th and 8th from his place > ment. From lordship mercury will give results for > 4,8, > 5 and 1st house. > > So we get 5th house twice in this scenario. Maercury > is also samadharmi to shani ( Although shani antara > has already paased and mercury does not have to step > up for shani, but shani is 5th and 6th lord. Again > the > 5th house is involved. Also shani has 0 point in his > BAV in the 5th house. > > I am also noticing that mercury is samadharmi to > mangal as it is 4th from it with mangal having less > points and may do mangal's bidding as well.Mars was > also aspecting the 5th house in transit on that day > > Mars has 35 points for house 8 and so does shani > with > 34 points. As mercury is lagna lord and is eager to > give results for 5th. I have a feeling the person > may > have passed away. > > Although I sincerely hope I am not right > > Satish > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > Here is birth details of a female native who was > > born on 17 Nov 1994 at 03:35 AM at the place of 30 > N > > 55, 75 E 52 INDIA. > > kindly find out what event took place on 22 Oct > > 2007 in the morning in the life of the native ? > > I got the Asc. as 18 Vi 14. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > click away. > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message > archive online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Dear Ramesh, What was the answer to this quiz? Satish --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Satish, > Very good analysis given by you. > Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house. > 5TH house is for children , love , emotions. > studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip and so > on. > Then how do you approach to the passing away for > native ? > If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D for > 8th. Its lord is Sa. > Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points in > WS > Sa should have given the event of death during its > antara itself > Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma > aspects house D and LoD . > So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of 1st > and 8th during its main period. > The MD is that of Ve . > So I meant to ask you how did you mean the passing > away of native ? > Will you please clarify your conclusion taking > help of KAS ? > Thanks. > Ramesh Mishra > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Hi Ramesh, > > Mercury has 7 points and will give results for 5th > and > 9th house, as they are 4th and 8th from his place > ment. From lordship mercury will give results for > 4,8, > 5 and 1st house. > > So we get 5th house twice in this scenario. Maercury > is also samadharmi to shani ( Although shani antara > has already paased and mercury does not have to step > up for shani, but shani is 5th and 6th lord. Again > the > 5th house is involved. Also shani has 0 point in his > BAV in the 5th house. > > I am also noticing that mercury is samadharmi to > mangal as it is 4th from it with mangal having less > points and may do mangal's bidding as well.Mars was > also aspecting the 5th house in transit on that day > > Mars has 35 points for house 8 and so does shani > with > 34 points. As mercury is lagna lord and is eager to > give results for 5th. I have a feeling the person > may > have passed away. > > Although I sincerely hope I am not right > > Satish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Dear Ash, It would be nice if Krushnaji or you can shed some light on this chart. Mercury antara gave the event of death. Mercury is LoE for 8th and Shani is LoD for 8th. Shani has highest points for 8th. Mercury is samadharmi in this case to shani as he is in navansha of kumbha. The question Ramesh raised is why shani did not give the event when his dasha ran before. Mangal is controling budh being in 10th from budh with less points. Mangal is 8th lord. Can mangal act like a maraka ? From KAS theory probably not. Shani in 6th can delay events for 8th ( How to calculate delay for delay for 8th house?) Aslo the native expired at a very young age? Then why Mercury and not shani? Shani is also in Mrutyubhaag ( Not used in KAS) and shani is a yamaavtar, why did he let budh do the work ? Thanks Satish --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Satish, > Very good analysis given by you. > Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house. > 5TH house is for children , love , emotions. > studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip and so > on. > Then how do you approach to the passing away for > native ? > If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D for > 8th. Its lord is Sa. > Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points in > WS > Sa should have given the event of death during its > antara itself > Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma > aspects house D and LoD . > So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of 1st > and 8th during its main period. > The MD is that of Ve . > So I meant to ask you how did you mean the passing > away of native ? > Will you please clarify your conclusion taking > help of KAS ? > Thanks. > Ramesh Mishra > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Hi Ramesh, > > Mercury has 7 points and will give results for 5th > and > 9th house, as they are 4th and 8th from his place > ment. From lordship mercury will give results for > 4,8, > 5 and 1st house. > > So we get 5th house twice in this scenario. Maercury > is also samadharmi to shani ( Although shani antara > has already paased and mercury does not have to step > up for shani, but shani is 5th and 6th lord. Again > the > 5th house is involved. Also shani has 0 point in his > BAV in the 5th house. > > I am also noticing that mercury is samadharmi to > mangal as it is 4th from it with mangal having less > points and may do mangal's bidding as well.Mars was > also aspecting the 5th house in transit on that day > > Mars has 35 points for house 8 and so does shani > with > 34 points. As mercury is lagna lord and is eager to > give results for 5th. I have a feeling the person > may > have passed away. > > Although I sincerely hope I am not right > > Satish > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > Here is birth details of a female native who was > > born on 17 Nov 1994 at 03:35 AM at the place of 30 > N > > 55, 75 E 52 INDIA. > > kindly find out what event took place on 22 Oct > > 2007 in the morning in the life of the native ? > > I got the Asc. as 18 Vi 14. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > click away. > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message > archive online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Dear Satish, Krushnaji might read this mail and should he feel that its prudent to go into detail at this point on death he will write on his own. Ofcouse if he writes it will be great J learning. In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on death, I have literary lost my laptop and I had serious disconnection from internet for dahysetc. I have written about that. So taken those incidents as nimita meaning that the time is not right. Yes, I can only say is that death happened as per our system i.e. in antra of LoE. I don’t understand, when you say Marak are u taking the literal meaning of a “killer” means causing death? If that is the case then people will associate 7th and 2nd house for death? I am not clear, on what your thinking process is when u say that 2nd and 7th house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? Does it mean that death can happen or do u factor that in the calculation for death happening in that planet? Can you explain a bit on the marak theory please? With regards to timing of event, I am quite sure there must be some calculation behind all this. In some cases, I have noticed on studying death chart is that there is a strong antra that goes by and then death happens after that in another strong antra. For instance in this case. However that being said, there must be some calculation and the delay of which might get over after that antra is over, the exact delay calculation I am not aware off and I had asked Krushnaji and he had told me that still first there are many more things to be taught and death is a very complicated topic. So in short, have patience, keep doing more practice and such things and such knowledge will come in due course of time and besides he might find that the time has not come as yet or that people might jump to conclusion and get worried or other things is what I can logically think off. In any case, as far as I am concerned when I see your analysis, and check the answer given which is death and then antra is that of LoE, I think that is fitting as per our laws when we say that events happen in LoD or LoE, daily points went high on that day as well if memory serves me right. Yes, from MD and there was a mail in which Krushaji wrote to Dennis Laboure and myself on the MD in which he discussed the circumstance of the death of Dennis’s father which happened on a field I believe and a tractor accident. There you can see how he judged the circumstance and u can get some leads on it. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of SPK Thursday November 1, 2007 10:02 AM Re: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 Dear Ash, It would be nice if Krushnaji or you can shed some light on this chart. Mercury antara gave the event of death. Mercury is LoE for 8th and Shani is LoD for 8th. Shani has highest points for 8th. Mercury is samadharmi in this case to shani as he is in navansha of kumbha. The question Ramesh raised is why shani did not give the event when his dasha ran before. Mangal is controling budh being in 10th from budh with less points. Mangal is 8th lord. Can mangal act like a maraka ? From KAS theory probably not. Shani in 6th can delay events for 8th ( How to calculate delay for delay for 8th house?) Aslo the native expired at a very young age? Then why Mercury and not shani? Shani is also in Mrutyubhaag ( Not used in KAS) and shani is a yamaavtar, why did he let budh do the work ? Thanks Satish --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear Satish, > Very good analysis given by you. > Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house. > 5TH house is for children , love , emotions. > studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip and so > on. > Then how do you approach to the passing away for > native ? > If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D for > 8th. Its lord is Sa. > Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points in > WS > Sa should have given the event of death during its > antara itself > Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma > aspects house D and LoD . > So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of 1st > and 8th during its main period. > The MD is that of Ve . > So I meant to ask you how did you mean the passing > away of native ? > Will you please clarify your conclusion taking > help of KAS ? > Thanks. > Ramesh Mishra > > SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote: > Hi Ramesh, > > Mercury has 7 points and will give results for 5th > and > 9th house, as they are 4th and 8th from his place > ment. From lordship mercury will give results for > 4,8, > 5 and 1st house. > > So we get 5th house twice in this scenario. Maercury > is also samadharmi to shani ( Although shani antara > has already paased and mercury does not have to step > up for shani, but shani is 5th and 6th lord. Again > the > 5th house is involved. Also shani has 0 point in his > BAV in the 5th house. > > I am also noticing that mercury is samadharmi to > mangal as it is 4th from it with mangal having less > points and may do mangal's bidding as well.Mars was > also aspecting the 5th house in transit on that day > > Mars has 35 points for house 8 and so does shani > with > 34 points. As mercury is lagna lord and is eager to > give results for 5th. I have a feeling the person > may > have passed away. > > Although I sincerely hope I am not right > > Satish > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > Here is birth details of a female native who was > > born on 17 Nov 1994 at 03:35 AM at the place of 30 > N > > 55, 75 E 52 INDIA. > > kindly find out what event took place on 22 Oct > > 2007 in the morning in the life of the native ? > > I got the Asc. as 18 Vi 14. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > click away. > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message > archive online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Dear Ash, Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani aspects 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can not give result for the event. Budh also aspects House 8, i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can step in for shani to give the result. So it is actually shani who is doing the job through budh and not budh on his own. Satish --- Ash <kas wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he feel > that its prudent to go > into detail at this point on death he will write on > his own. Ofcouse if he > writes it will be great :-) learning. > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on > death, I have literary lost > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from > internet for dahysetc. I > have written about that. So taken those incidents > as nimita meaning that > the time is not right. > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as per > our system i.e. in antra > of LoE. > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u taking > the literal meaning of a > " killer " means causing death? > > > > If that is the case then people will associate 7th > and 2nd house for death? > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is > when u say that 2nd and 7th > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > Does it mean that death can > happen or do u factor that in the calculation for > death happening in that > planet? > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory please? > > > > With regards to timing of event, I am quite sure > there must be some > calculation behind all this. In some cases, I have > noticed on studying > death chart is that there is a strong antra that > goes by and then death > happens after that in another strong antra. For > instance in this case. > However that being said, there must be some > calculation and the delay of > which might get over after that antra is over, the > exact delay calculation I > am not aware off and I had asked Krushnaji and he > had told me that still > first there are many more things to be taught and > death is a very > complicated topic. So in short, have patience, keep > doing more practice and > such things and such knowledge will come in due > course of time and besides > he might find that the time has not come as yet or > that people might jump to > conclusion and get worried or other things is what I > can logically think > off. > > > > In any case, as far as I am concerned when I see > your analysis, and check > the answer given which is death and then antra is > that of LoE, I think that > is fitting as per our laws when we say that events > happen in LoD or LoE, > daily points went high on that day as well if memory > serves me right. > > > > Yes, from MD and there was a mail in which Krushaji > wrote to Dennis Laboure > and myself on the MD in which he discussed the > circumstance of the death of > Dennis's father which happened on a field I believe > and a tractor accident. > There you can see how he judged the circumstance and > u can get some leads on > it. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On > Behalf Of SPK > Thursday November 1, 2007 10:02 AM > > Re: Re: Quiz > ASBC 3 > > > > Dear Ash, > > It would be nice if Krushnaji or you can shed some > light on this chart. Mercury antara gave the event > of > death. Mercury is LoE for 8th and Shani is LoD for > 8th. Shani has highest points for 8th. Mercury is > samadharmi in this case to shani as he is in > navansha > of kumbha. > > The question Ramesh raised is why shani did not give > the event when his dasha ran before. Mangal is > controling budh being in 10th from budh with less > points. Mangal is 8th lord. Can mangal act like a > maraka ? From KAS theory probably not. Shani in 6th > can delay events for 8th ( How to calculate delay > for > delay for 8th house?) Aslo the native expired at a > very young age? Then why Mercury and not shani? > Shani > is also in Mrutyubhaag ( Not used in KAS) and shani > is > a yamaavtar, why did he let budh do the work ? > > Thanks > > Satish > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ > <aarceemastro2002%40.co.in> > .co.in> > wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > Very good analysis given by you. > > Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house. > > 5TH house is for children , love , emotions. > > studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip and > so > > on. > > Then how do you approach to the passing away for > > native ? > > If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D for > > 8th. Its lord is Sa. > > Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points in > > WS > > Sa should have given the event of death during its > > antara itself > > Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma > > aspects house D and LoD . > > So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of 1st > > and 8th during its main period. > > The MD is that of Ve . > > So I meant to ask you how did you mean the passing > > away of native ? > > Will you please clarify your conclusion taking > > help of KAS ? > > Thanks. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@ > <aquaris_rising%40> > > wrote: > > Hi Ramesh, > > > > Mercury has 7 points and will give results for 5th > > and > > 9th house, as they are 4th and 8th from his place > > ment. From lordship mercury will give results for > > 4,8, > > 5 and 1st house. > > > > So we get 5th house twice in this scenario. > Maercury > > is also samadharmi to shani ( Although shani > antara > > has already paased and mercury does not have to > step > > up for shani, but shani is 5th and 6th lord. Again > > the > > 5th house is involved. Also shani has 0 point in > his > > BAV in the 5th house. > > > > I am also noticing that mercury is samadharmi to > > mangal as it is 4th from it with mangal having > less > > points and may do mangal's bidding as well.Mars > was > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Dear Satish, i dont remember the chart but if budh happens to be lord of D or E, it can give the result irrespective of it sight on 8th house. thanks/regards harjeet , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani aspects > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can not > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House 8, > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can step > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually > shani who is doing the job through budh and not budh > on his own. > > Satish > --- Ash <kas wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he feel > > that its prudent to go > > into detail at this point on death he will write on > > his own. Ofcouse if he > > writes it will be great :-) learning. > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on > > death, I have literary lost > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from > > internet for dahysetc. I > > have written about that. So taken those incidents > > as nimita meaning that > > the time is not right. > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as per > > our system i.e. in antra > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u taking > > the literal meaning of a > > " killer " means causing death? > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate 7th > > and 2nd house for death? > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is > > when u say that 2nd and 7th > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > Does it mean that death can > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation for > > death happening in that > > planet? > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory please? > > > > > > > > With regards to timing of event, I am quite sure > > there must be some > > calculation behind all this. In some cases, I have > > noticed on studying > > death chart is that there is a strong antra that > > goes by and then death > > happens after that in another strong antra. For > > instance in this case. > > However that being said, there must be some > > calculation and the delay of > > which might get over after that antra is over, the > > exact delay calculation I > > am not aware off and I had asked Krushnaji and he > > had told me that still > > first there are many more things to be taught and > > death is a very > > complicated topic. So in short, have patience, keep > > doing more practice and > > such things and such knowledge will come in due > > course of time and besides > > he might find that the time has not come as yet or > > that people might jump to > > conclusion and get worried or other things is what I > > can logically think > > off. > > > > > > > > In any case, as far as I am concerned when I see > > your analysis, and check > > the answer given which is death and then antra is > > that of LoE, I think that > > is fitting as per our laws when we say that events > > happen in LoD or LoE, > > daily points went high on that day as well if memory > > serves me right. > > > > > > > > Yes, from MD and there was a mail in which Krushaji > > wrote to Dennis Laboure > > and myself on the MD in which he discussed the > > circumstance of the death of > > Dennis's father which happened on a field I believe > > and a tractor accident. > > There you can see how he judged the circumstance and > > u can get some leads on > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > On > > Behalf Of SPK > > Thursday November 1, 2007 10:02 AM > > > > Re: Re: Quiz > > ASBC 3 > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > It would be nice if Krushnaji or you can shed some > > light on this chart. Mercury antara gave the event > > of > > death. Mercury is LoE for 8th and Shani is LoD for > > 8th. Shani has highest points for 8th. Mercury is > > samadharmi in this case to shani as he is in > > navansha > > of kumbha. > > > > The question Ramesh raised is why shani did not give > > the event when his dasha ran before. Mangal is > > controling budh being in 10th from budh with less > > points. Mangal is 8th lord. Can mangal act like a > > maraka ? From KAS theory probably not. Shani in 6th > > can delay events for 8th ( How to calculate delay > > for > > delay for 8th house?) Aslo the native expired at a > > very young age? Then why Mercury and not shani? > > Shani > > is also in Mrutyubhaag ( Not used in KAS) and shani > > is > > a yamaavtar, why did he let budh do the work ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ > > <aarceemastro2002%40.co.in> > > .co.in> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > Very good analysis given by you. > > > Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house. > > > 5TH house is for children , love , emotions. > > > studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip and > > so > > > on. > > > Then how do you approach to the passing away for > > > native ? > > > If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D for > > > 8th. Its lord is Sa. > > > Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points in > > > WS > > > Sa should have given the event of death during its > > > antara itself > > > Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma > > > aspects house D and LoD . > > > So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of 1st > > > and 8th during its main period. > > > The MD is that of Ve . > > > So I meant to ask you how did you mean the passing > > > away of native ? > > > Will you please clarify your conclusion taking > > > help of KAS ? > > > Thanks. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@ > > <aquaris_rising%40> > > > wrote: > > > Hi Ramesh, > > > > > > Mercury has 7 points and will give results for 5th > > > and > > > 9th house, as they are 4th and 8th from his place > > > ment. From lordship mercury will give results for > > > 4,8, > > > 5 and 1st house. > > > > > > So we get 5th house twice in this scenario. > > Maercury > > > is also samadharmi to shani ( Although shani > > antara > > > has already paased and mercury does not have to > > step > > > up for shani, but shani is 5th and 6th lord. Again > > > the > > > 5th house is involved. Also shani has 0 point in > > his > > > BAV in the 5th house. > > > > > > I am also noticing that mercury is samadharmi to > > > mangal as it is 4th from it with mangal having > > less > > > points and may do mangal's bidding as well.Mars > > was > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear List, I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the one ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks. Satish P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why planet aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other comments are welcome. I am curious to know the answer from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native expired at a young age. --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani aspects > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can > not > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House > 8, > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can > step > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually > shani who is doing the job through budh and not budh > on his own. > > Satish > --- Ash <kas wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he feel > > that its prudent to go > > into detail at this point on death he will write > on > > his own. Ofcouse if he > > writes it will be great :-) learning. > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on > > death, I have literary lost > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from > > internet for dahysetc. I > > have written about that. So taken those incidents > > as nimita meaning that > > the time is not right. > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as per > > our system i.e. in antra > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u > taking > > the literal meaning of a > > " killer " means causing death? > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate 7th > > and 2nd house for death? > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is > > when u say that 2nd and 7th > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > Does it mean that death can > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation for > > death happening in that > > planet? > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory please? > > > > > > > > With regards to timing of event, I am quite sure > > there must be some > > calculation behind all this. In some cases, I > have > > noticed on studying > > death chart is that there is a strong antra that > > goes by and then death > > happens after that in another strong antra. For > > instance in this case. > > However that being said, there must be some > > calculation and the delay of > > which might get over after that antra is over, the > > exact delay calculation I > > am not aware off and I had asked Krushnaji and he > > had told me that still > > first there are many more things to be taught and > > death is a very > > complicated topic. So in short, have patience, > keep > > doing more practice and > > such things and such knowledge will come in due > > course of time and besides > > he might find that the time has not come as yet or > > that people might jump to > > conclusion and get worried or other things is what > I > > can logically think > > off. > > > > > > > > In any case, as far as I am concerned when I see > > your analysis, and check > > the answer given which is death and then antra is > > that of LoE, I think that > > is fitting as per our laws when we say that events > > happen in LoD or LoE, > > daily points went high on that day as well if > memory > > serves me right. > > > > > > > > Yes, from MD and there was a mail in which > Krushaji > > wrote to Dennis Laboure > > and myself on the MD in which he discussed the > > circumstance of the death of > > Dennis's father which happened on a field I > believe > > and a tractor accident. > > There you can see how he judged the circumstance > and > > u can get some leads on > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> > http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > > On > > Behalf Of SPK > > Thursday November 1, 2007 10:02 AM > > > > Re: Re: Quiz > > ASBC 3 > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > It would be nice if Krushnaji or you can shed some > > light on this chart. Mercury antara gave the event > > of > > death. Mercury is LoE for 8th and Shani is LoD for > > 8th. Shani has highest points for 8th. Mercury is > > samadharmi in this case to shani as he is in > > navansha > > of kumbha. > > > > The question Ramesh raised is why shani did not > give > > the event when his dasha ran before. Mangal is > > controling budh being in 10th from budh with less > > points. Mangal is 8th lord. Can mangal act like a > > maraka ? From KAS theory probably not. Shani in > 6th > > can delay events for 8th ( How to calculate delay > > for > > delay for 8th house?) Aslo the native expired at a > > very young age? Then why Mercury and not shani? > > Shani > > is also in Mrutyubhaag ( Not used in KAS) and > shani > > is > > a yamaavtar, why did he let budh do the work ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ > > <aarceemastro2002%40.co.in> > > .co.in> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > Very good analysis given by you. > > > Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house. > > > 5TH house is for children , love , emotions. > > > studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip > and > > so > > > on. > > > Then how do you approach to the passing away for > > > native ? > > > If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D > for > > > 8th. Its lord is Sa. > > > Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points > in > > > WS > > > Sa should have given the event of death during > its > > > antara itself > > > Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma > > > aspects house D and LoD . > > > So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of > 1st > > > and 8th during its main period. > > > The MD is that of Ve . > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Satish, I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as such though i have no message numbers.These comprises two mails actually replying to two different mails on the subject of Death. Hope you will get some understanding from this. "WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR 6:8 RELATIONSHIPTHEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE B, OR THE WORDLYHAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT BE APPLIED WITHTHE DEATH OF THE PERSON. THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE LORDS OF OPPOSITEHOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE LORDS OF ANY TWOHOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE RELATIONS WITH THEPERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY.KRUSHNA You both had a very good discussion. For any chart,considering the death, which is very important event, the role ofMahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami (Main Dasha Lord)should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here Jupiter is lordof house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter can not give theresult. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with more points cancome forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon is with morepoints, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's nature. It is within 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house E and is situatedin 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points, but being lord ofE, it gets points from Moon and Mars.Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give importantresult. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars which is with 4points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is samdharmi to Moon.Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak for longevity.Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house and also 8thhouse) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse result forlongevity.Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having highestpoints ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being in 4th placebecames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with 4 points can takethe points of the planets in 4th place) So not including the pointsof Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord.Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's sight on8th house, it will not come forward to give the result. Here sun cancome forward.Rahu's main period is also able to give the result, butMars main is earlier to Rahu's main.For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets havemore points for 8th house, means earli death. Points with 12 pointscan work on both the sides. So if all planets are with more pointsabove 13 then death may be at early age. If two planets are with lesspoints then medium age say below 50 years. If 4 planets are with 12or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If more then 4 planetsare with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity. Here we canexclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses.If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th house,again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn and Mars, we canhave additional houses.Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So oneshould avoid calculating for a live person. For study purpose we candiscuss chart of a dead person."krushna Regards AnupSPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Dear List,I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the oneramesh is discussing. it would good to change thesunject line to reflect the same. Thanks.SatishP.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why planetaspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any othercomments are welcome. I am curious to know the answerfrom KAS standpoint about the quiz where the nativeexpired at a young age.--- SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote:> Dear Ash,> > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani aspects> 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can> not> give result for the event. Budh also aspects House> 8,> i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can> step> in for shani to give the result. So it is actually> shani who is doing the job through budh and not budh> on his own.> > Satish> --- Ash <kas wrote:> > > Dear Satish,> > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he feel> > that its prudent to go> > into detail at this point on death he will write> on> > his own. Ofcouse if he> > writes it will be great :-) learning.> > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on> > death, I have literary lost> > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from> > internet for dahysetc. I> > have written about that. So taken those incidents> > as nimita meaning that> > the time is not right.> > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as per> > our system i.e. in antra> > of LoE. > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u> taking> > the literal meaning of a> > "killer" means causing death?> > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate 7th> > and 2nd house for death?> > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is> > when u say that 2nd and 7th> > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > Does it mean that death can> > happen or do u factor that in the calculation for> > death happening in that> > planet? > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory please?> > > > > > > > With regards to timing of event, I am quite sure> > there must be some> > calculation behind all this. In some cases, I> have> > noticed on studying> > death chart is that there is a strong antra that> > goes by and then death> > happens after that in another strong antra. For> > instance in this case.> > However that being said, there must be some> > calculation and the delay of> > which might get over after that antra is over, the> > exact delay calculation I> > am not aware off and I had asked Krushnaji and he> > had told me that still> > first there are many more things to be taught and> > death is a very> > complicated topic. So in short, have patience,> keep> > doing more practice and> > such things and such knowledge will come in due> > course of time and besides> > he might find that the time has not come as yet or> > that people might jump to> > conclusion and get worried or other things is what> I> > can logically think> > off.> > > > > > > > In any case, as far as I am concerned when I see> > your analysis, and check> > the answer given which is death and then antra is> > that of LoE, I think that> > is fitting as per our laws when we say that events> > happen in LoD or LoE,> > daily points went high on that day as well if> memory> > serves me right.> > > > > > > > Yes, from MD and there was a mail in which> Krushaji> > wrote to Dennis Laboure> > and myself on the MD in which he discussed the> > circumstance of the death of> > Dennis's father which happened on a field I> believe> > and a tractor accident.> > There you can see how he judged the circumstance> and> > u can get some leads on> > it.> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca>> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > _____ > > > > > > > On> > Behalf Of SPK> > Thursday November 1, 2007 10:02 AM> > > > Re: Re: Quiz> > ASBC 3> > > > > > > > Dear Ash,> > > > It would be nice if Krushnaji or you can shed some> > light on this chart. Mercury antara gave the event> > of> > death. Mercury is LoE for 8th and Shani is LoD for> > 8th. Shani has highest points for 8th. Mercury is> > samadharmi in this case to shani as he is in> > navansha> > of kumbha.> > > > The question Ramesh raised is why shani did not> give> > the event when his dasha ran before. Mangal is> > controling budh being in 10th from budh with less> > points. Mangal is 8th lord. Can mangal act like a> > maraka ? From KAS theory probably not. Shani in> 6th> > can delay events for 8th ( How to calculate delay> > for> > delay for 8th house?) Aslo the native expired at a> > very young age? Then why Mercury and not shani?> > Shani> > is also in Mrutyubhaag ( Not used in KAS) and> shani> > is> > a yamaavtar, why did he let budh do the work ?> > > > Thanks> > > > Satish> > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> > <aarceemastro2002%40.co.in>> > .co.in>> > wrote:> > > > > Dear Satish,> > > Very good analysis given by you.> > > Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house.> > > 5TH house is for children , love , emotions.> > > studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip> and> > so> > > on.> > > Then how do you approach to the passing away for> > > native ?> > > If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D> for> > > 8th. Its lord is Sa.> > > Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points> in> > > WS> > > Sa should have given the event of death during> its> > > antara itself> > > Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma> > > aspects house D and LoD .> > > So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of> 1st> > > and 8th during its main period.> > > The MD is that of Ve .> === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Anup, Thanks for reproducing these emails. Thanks & Regards, Manu On Behalf Of Anup. M Monday, November 05, 2007 9:39 PM To: RE: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 Dear Satish, I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as such though i have no message numbers.These comprises two mails actually replying to two different mails on the subject of Death. Hope you will get some understanding from this. " WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR 6:8 RELATIONSHIP THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE B, OR THE WORDLY HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT BE APPLIED WITH THE DEATH OF THE PERSON. THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE LORDS OF OPPOSITE HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE LORDS OF ANY TWO HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY. KRUSHNA You both had a very good discussion. For any chart, considering the death, which is very important event, the role of Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami (Main Dasha Lord) should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here Jupiter is lord of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter can not give the result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with more points can come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon is with more points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's nature. It is with in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house E and is situated in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points, but being lord of E, it gets points from Moon and Mars. Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars which is with 4 points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is samdharmi to Moon. Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak for longevity. Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house and also 8th house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse result for longevity. Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having highest points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being in 4th place becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with 4 points can take the points of the planets in 4th place) So not including the points of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord. Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's sight on 8th house, it will not come forward to give the result. Here sun can come forward. Rahu's main period is also able to give the result, but Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main. For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets have more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points with 12 points can work on both the sides. So if all planets are with more points above 13 then death may be at early age. If two planets are with less points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4 planets are with 12 or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If more then 4 planets are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity. Here we can exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses. If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th house, again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn and Mars, we can have additional houses. Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So one should avoid calculating for a live person. For study purpose we can discuss chart of a dead person. " krushna Regards Anup SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Dear List, I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the one ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks. Satish P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why planet aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other comments are welcome. I am curious to know the answer from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native expired at a young age. --- SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani aspects > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can > not > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House > 8, > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can > step > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually > shani who is doing the job through budh and not budh > on his own. > > Satish > --- Ash <kas wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he feel > > that its prudent to go > > into detail at this point on death he will write > on > > his own. Ofcouse if he > > writes it will be great :-) learning. > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on > > death, I have literary lost > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from > > internet for dahysetc. I > > have written about that. So taken those incidents > > as nimita meaning that > > the time is not right. > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as per > > our system i.e. in antra > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u > taking > > the literal meaning of a > > " killer " means causing death? > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate 7th > > and 2nd house for death? > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is > > when u say that 2nd and 7th > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > Does it mean that death can > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation for > > death happening in that > > planet? > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory please? > > > > > > > > With regards to timing of event, I am quite sure > > there must be some > > calculation behind all this. In some cases, I > have > > noticed on studying > > death chart is that there is a strong antra that > > goes by and then death > > happens after that in another strong antra. For > > instance in this case. > > However that being said, there must be some > > calculation and the delay of > > which might get over after that antra is over, the > > exact delay calculation I > > am not aware off and I had asked Krushnaji and he > > had told me that still > > first there are many more things to be taught and > > death is a very > > complicated topic. So in short, have patience, > keep > > doing more practice and > > such things and such knowledge will come in due > > course of time and besides > > he might find that the time has not come as yet or > > that people might jump to > > conclusion and get worried or other things is what > I > > can logically think > > off. > > > > > > > > In any case, as far as I am concerned when I see > > your analysis, and check > > the answer given which is death and then antra is > > that of LoE, I think that > > is fitting as per our laws when we say that events > > happen in LoD or LoE, > > daily points went high on that day as well if > memory > > serves me right. > > > > > > > > Yes, from MD and there was a mail in which > Krushaji > > wrote to Dennis Laboure > > and myself on the MD in which he discussed the > > circumstance of the death of > > Dennis's father which happened on a field I > believe > > and a tractor accident. > > There you can see how he judged the circumstance > and > > u can get some leads on > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> > http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > > On > > Behalf Of SPK > > Thursday November 1, 2007 10:02 AM > > > > Re: Re: Quiz > > ASBC 3 > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > It would be nice if Krushnaji or you can shed some > > light on this chart. Mercury antara gave the event > > of > > death. Mercury is LoE for 8th and Shani is LoD for > > 8th. Shani has highest points for 8th. Mercury is > > samadharmi in this case to shani as he is in > > navansha > > of kumbha. > > > > The question Ramesh raised is why shani did not > give > > the event when his dasha ran before. Mangal is > > controling budh being in 10th from budh with less > > points. Mangal is 8th lord. Can mangal act like a > > maraka ? From KAS theory probably not. Shani in > 6th > > can delay events for 8th ( How to calculate delay > > for > > delay for 8th house?) Aslo the native expired at a > > very young age? Then why Mercury and not shani? > > Shani > > is also in Mrutyubhaag ( Not used in KAS) and > shani > > is > > a yamaavtar, why did he let budh do the work ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ > > <aarceemastro2002%40.co.in> > > .co.in> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > Very good analysis given by you. > > > Your whole analysis rotates around 5th house. > > > 5TH house is for children , love , emotions. > > > studies, death, hospitalisation, foreign trip > and > > so > > > on. > > > Then how do you approach to the passing away for > > > native ? > > > If at all I agree with you then 5th is house D > for > > > 8th. Its lord is Sa. > > > Sa is the most powerfull planet with 35 points > in > > > WS > > > Sa should have given the event of death during > its > > > antara itself > > > Moreover the karak for 8th is also Ma and Ma > > > aspects house D and LoD . > > > So the karaktwa of Ma is to give the event of > 1st > > > and 8th during its main period. > > > The MD is that of Ve . > === message truncated === Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release 10/28/2007 1:58 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release 10/28/2007 1:58 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Thanks Anup. Now it puts question into my mind of why venus mahadasha gave the result. Satish --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as > such though i have no > message numbers.These comprises two mails actually > replying to two > different mails on the subject of Death. > Hope you will get some understanding from this. > > > " WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR > 6:8 RELATIONSHIP > THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE > B, OR THE WORDLY > HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT > BE APPLIED WITH > THE DEATH OF THE PERSON. > THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE > LORDS OF OPPOSITE > HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE > LORDS OF ANY TWO > HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE > RELATIONS WITH THE > PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY. > KRUSHNA > > > > You both had a very good discussion. For any > chart, > considering the death, which is very important > event, the role of > Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami > (Main Dasha Lord) > should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here > Jupiter is lord > of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter > can not give the > result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with > more points can > come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon > is with more > points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's > nature. It is with > in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house > E and is situated > in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points, > but being lord of > E, it gets points from Moon and Mars. > Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important > result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars > which is with 4 > points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is > samdharmi to Moon. > Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak > for longevity. > Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house > and also 8th > house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse > result for > longevity. > Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having > highest > points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being > in 4th place > becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with > 4 points can take > the points of the planets in 4th place) So not > including the points > of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord. > Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's > sight on > 8th house, it will not come forward to give the > result. Here sun can > come forward. > Rahu's main period is also able to give the result, > but > Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main. > For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets > have > more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points > with 12 points > can work on both the sides. So if all planets are > with more points > above 13 then death may be at early age. If two > planets are with less > points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4 > planets are with 12 > or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If > more then 4 planets > are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity. > Here we can > exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses. > If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th > house, > again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn > and Mars, we can > have additional houses. > Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So > one > should avoid calculating for a live person. For > study purpose we can > discuss chart of a dead person. " > krushna > > > > > Regards > Anup > > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Dear List, > > I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the > one > ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the > sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks. > > Satish > > P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why > planet > aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other > comments are welcome. I am curious to know the > answer > from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native > expired at a young age. > --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani > aspects > > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can > > not > > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House > > 8, > > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can > > step > > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually > > shani who is doing the job through budh and not > budh > > on his own. > > > > Satish > > --- Ash <kas wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he > feel > > > that its prudent to go > > > into detail at this point on death he will write > > on > > > his own. Ofcouse if he > > > writes it will be great :-) learning. > > > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on > > > death, I have literary lost > > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from > > > internet for dahysetc. I > > > have written about that. So taken those > incidents > > > as nimita meaning that > > > the time is not right. > > > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as > per > > > our system i.e. in antra > > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u > > taking > > > the literal meaning of a > > > " killer " means causing death? > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate > 7th > > > and 2nd house for death? > > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is > > > when u say that 2nd and 7th > > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > > Does it mean that death can > > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation > for > > > death happening in that > > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory > please? > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Satish, For marriage and promotion the way in which MD should be interpreted is a bit different. When we time marriage we check for delay, zeroes, and antra but we don't check for MD if it will give marriage or not. For marriage MD indicates other things like the 'how and with whom' for marriage. I currently don't have the complete details though as to how to use it. For promotion also, if MD supports it will be favourable, but we should essentially look at the antra. For death the role of MD becomes more important as outlined by Krushnaji. MD can give or deny death. Maybe Krushnaji and Ash can elaborate/correct. Thanks & Regards, Manu On Behalf Of SPK Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:10 AM RE: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 Thanks Anup. Now it puts question into my mind of why venus mahadasha gave the result. Satish --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as > such though i have no > message numbers.These comprises two mails actually > replying to two > different mails on the subject of Death. > Hope you will get some understanding from this. > > > " WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR > 6:8 RELATIONSHIP > THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE > B, OR THE WORDLY > HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT > BE APPLIED WITH > THE DEATH OF THE PERSON. > THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE > LORDS OF OPPOSITE > HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE > LORDS OF ANY TWO > HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE > RELATIONS WITH THE > PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY. > KRUSHNA > > > > You both had a very good discussion. For any > chart, > considering the death, which is very important > event, the role of > Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami > (Main Dasha Lord) > should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here > Jupiter is lord > of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter > can not give the > result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with > more points can > come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon > is with more > points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's > nature. It is with > in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house > E and is situated > in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points, > but being lord of > E, it gets points from Moon and Mars. > Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important > result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars > which is with 4 > points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is > samdharmi to Moon. > Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak > for longevity. > Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house > and also 8th > house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse > result for > longevity. > Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having > highest > points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being > in 4th place > becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with > 4 points can take > the points of the planets in 4th place) So not > including the points > of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord. > Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's > sight on > 8th house, it will not come forward to give the > result. Here sun can > come forward. > Rahu's main period is also able to give the result, > but > Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main. > For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets > have > more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points > with 12 points > can work on both the sides. So if all planets are > with more points > above 13 then death may be at early age. If two > planets are with less > points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4 > planets are with 12 > or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If > more then 4 planets > are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity. > Here we can > exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses. > If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th > house, > again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn > and Mars, we can > have additional houses. > Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So > one > should avoid calculating for a live person. For > study purpose we can > discuss chart of a dead person. " > krushna > > > > > Regards > Anup > > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Dear List, > > I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the > one > ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the > sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks. > > Satish > > P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why > planet > aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other > comments are welcome. I am curious to know the > answer > from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native > expired at a young age. > --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani > aspects > > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can > > not > > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House > > 8, > > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can > > step > > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually > > shani who is doing the job through budh and not > budh > > on his own. > > > > Satish > > --- Ash <kas wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he > feel > > > that its prudent to go > > > into detail at this point on death he will write > > on > > > his own. Ofcouse if he > > > writes it will be great :-) learning. > > > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on > > > death, I have literary lost > > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from > > > internet for dahysetc. I > > > have written about that. So taken those > incidents > > > as nimita meaning that > > > the time is not right. > > > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as > per > > > our system i.e. in antra > > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u > > taking > > > the literal meaning of a > > > " killer " means causing death? > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate > 7th > > > and 2nd house for death? > > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is > > > when u say that 2nd and 7th > > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > > Does it mean that death can > > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation > for > > > death happening in that > > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory > please? > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Manu, thats very informative.. you said from MD we can say 'how and with whom'... so is it that we check the house for which the MD lord is karak and that house would indicate something about 'how and with whom'... irrespective if you can please explain in more detail that would be very grateful of you. thanks/regards harjeet , " Manu V Batura " <astro.manu wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > For marriage and promotion the way in which MD should be interpreted is a > bit different. When we time marriage we check for delay, zeroes, and antra > but we don't check for MD if it will give marriage or not. For marriage MD > indicates other things like the 'how and with whom' for marriage. I > currently don't have the complete details though as to how to use it. > > For promotion also, if MD supports it will be favourable, but we should > essentially look at the antra. > > For death the role of MD becomes more important as outlined by Krushnaji. MD > can give or deny death. > > Maybe Krushnaji and Ash can elaborate/correct. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK > Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:10 AM > > RE: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 > > Thanks Anup. > > Now it puts question into my mind of why venus > mahadasha gave the result. > > Satish > --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as > > such though i have no > > message numbers.These comprises two mails actually > > replying to two > > different mails on the subject of Death. > > Hope you will get some understanding from this. > > > > > > " WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR > > 6:8 RELATIONSHIP > > THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE > > B, OR THE WORDLY > > HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT > > BE APPLIED WITH > > THE DEATH OF THE PERSON. > > THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE > > LORDS OF OPPOSITE > > HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE > > LORDS OF ANY TWO > > HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE > > RELATIONS WITH THE > > PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY. > > KRUSHNA > > > > > > > > You both had a very good discussion. For any > > chart, > > considering the death, which is very important > > event, the role of > > Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami > > (Main Dasha Lord) > > should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here > > Jupiter is lord > > of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter > > can not give the > > result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with > > more points can > > come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon > > is with more > > points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's > > nature. It is with > > in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house > > E and is situated > > in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points, > > but being lord of > > E, it gets points from Moon and Mars. > > Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important > > result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars > > which is with 4 > > points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is > > samdharmi to Moon. > > Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak > > for longevity. > > Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house > > and also 8th > > house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse > > result for > > longevity. > > Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having > > highest > > points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being > > in 4th place > > becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with > > 4 points can take > > the points of the planets in 4th place) So not > > including the points > > of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord. > > Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's > > sight on > > 8th house, it will not come forward to give the > > result. Here sun can > > come forward. > > Rahu's main period is also able to give the result, > > but > > Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main. > > For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets > > have > > more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points > > with 12 points > > can work on both the sides. So if all planets are > > with more points > > above 13 then death may be at early age. If two > > planets are with less > > points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4 > > planets are with 12 > > or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If > > more then 4 planets > > are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity. > > Here we can > > exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses. > > If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th > > house, > > again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn > > and Mars, we can > > have additional houses. > > Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So > > one > > should avoid calculating for a live person. For > > study purpose we can > > discuss chart of a dead person. " > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear List, > > > > I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the > > one > > ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the > > sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks. > > > > Satish > > > > P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why > > planet > > aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other > > comments are welcome. I am curious to know the > > answer > > from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native > > expired at a young age. > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani > > aspects > > > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can > > > not > > > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House > > > 8, > > > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can > > > step > > > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually > > > shani who is doing the job through budh and not > > budh > > > on his own. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- Ash <kas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he > > feel > > > > that its prudent to go > > > > into detail at this point on death he will write > > > on > > > > his own. Ofcouse if he > > > > writes it will be great :-) learning. > > > > > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on > > > > death, I have literary lost > > > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from > > > > internet for dahysetc. I > > > > have written about that. So taken those > > incidents > > > > as nimita meaning that > > > > the time is not right. > > > > > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as > > per > > > > our system i.e. in antra > > > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u > > > taking > > > > the literal meaning of a > > > > " killer " means causing death? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate > > 7th > > > > and 2nd house for death? > > > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is > > > > when u say that 2nd and 7th > > > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > > > Does it mean that death can > > > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation > > for > > > > death happening in that > > > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Satishamd Manu, Even i am rereading and trying to understand the mail written by Guru Krushnaji. All planets are having more than 12 pts in this chart.So early death as Krushnaji explained.Let us hope we can understand and get guidence from Guru ji and Ash for more explaination. Regards Anup SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Thanks Anup.Now it puts question into my mind of why venusmahadasha gave the result. Satish--- "Anup. M" <dalh_1 > wrote:> Dear Satish,> > I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as> such though i have no> message numbers.These comprises two mails actually> replying to two> different mails on the subject of Death.> Hope you will get some understanding from this.> > > "WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR> 6:8 RELATIONSHIP> THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE> B, OR THE WORDLY> HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT> BE APPLIED WITH> THE DEATH OF THE PERSON.> THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE> LORDS OF OPPOSITE> HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE> LORDS OF ANY TWO> HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE> RELATIONS WITH THE> PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY.> KRUSHNA> > > > You both had a very good discussion. For any> chart,> considering the death, which is very important> event, the role of> Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami> (Main Dasha Lord)> should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here> Jupiter is lord> of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter> can not give the> result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with> more points can> come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon> is with more> points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's> nature. It is with> in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house> E and is situated> in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points,> but being lord of> E, it gets points from Moon and Mars.> Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important> result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars> which is with 4> points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is> samdharmi to Moon.> Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak> for longevity.> Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house> and also 8th> house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse> result for> longevity.> Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having> highest> points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being> in 4th place> becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with> 4 points can take> the points of the planets in 4th place) So not> including the points> of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord.> Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's> sight on> 8th house, it will not come forward to give the> result. Here sun can> come forward.> Rahu's main period is also able to give the result,> but> Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main.> For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets> have> more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points> with 12 points> can work on both the sides. So if all planets are> with more points> above 13 then death may be at early age. If two> planets are with less> points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4> planets are with 12> or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If> more then 4 planets> are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity.> Here we can> exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses.> If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th> house,> again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn> and Mars, we can> have additional houses.> Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So> one> should avoid calculating for a live person. For> study purpose we can> discuss chart of a dead person."> krushna> > > > > Regards> Anup> > > SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote:> Dear List,> > I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the> one> ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the> sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks.> > Satish> > P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why> planet> aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other> comments are welcome. I am curious to know the> answer> from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native> expired at a young age.> --- SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote:> > > Dear Ash,> > > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani> aspects> > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can> > not> > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House> > 8,> > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can> > step> > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually> > shani who is doing the job through budh and not> budh> > on his own.> > > > Satish> > --- Ash <kas wrote:> > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he> feel> > > that its prudent to go> > > into detail at this point on death he will write> > on> > > his own. Ofcouse if he> > > writes it will be great :-) learning.> > > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on> > > death, I have literary lost> > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from> > > internet for dahysetc. I> > > have written about that. So taken those> incidents> > > as nimita meaning that> > > the time is not right.> > > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as> per> > > our system i.e. in antra> > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u> > taking> > > the literal meaning of a> > > "killer" means causing death?> > > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate> 7th> > > and 2nd house for death?> > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is> > > when u say that 2nd and 7th> > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > > Does it mean that death can> > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation> for> > > death happening in that> > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory> please?> > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Harjeet, Sorry to interfere but i think the Karka and its "situation" in a particular house can indicate "How"and by "whom" ,the event can take place. This has been indicated in an example of FAQ. Regards Anup harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: Dear Manu,thats very informative.. you said from MD we can say 'how and withwhom'...so is it that we check the house for which the MD lord is karak andthat house would indicate something about 'how and with whom'...irrespective if you can please explain in more detail that would bevery grateful of you.thanks/regardsharjeet , "Manu V Batura"<astro.manu wrote:>> Dear Satish,> > For marriage and promotion the way in which MD should be interpretedis a> bit different. When we time marriage we check for delay, zeroes, andantra> but we don't check for MD if it will give marriage or not. Formarriage MD> indicates other things like the 'how and with whom' for marriage. I> currently don't have the complete details though as to how to use it. > > For promotion also, if MD supports it will be favourable, but we should> essentially look at the antra.> > For death the role of MD becomes more important as outlined byKrushnaji. MD> can give or deny death.> > Maybe Krushnaji and Ash can elaborate/correct.> > Thanks & Regards,> Manu> > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK> Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:10 AM> > RE: Re: Quiz ASBC 3> > Thanks Anup.> > Now it puts question into my mind of why venus> mahadasha gave the result. > > Satish> --- "Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote:> > > Dear Satish,> > > > I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as> > such though i have no> > message numbers.These comprises two mails actually> > replying to two> > different mails on the subject of Death.> > Hope you will get some understanding from this.> > > > > > "WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR> > 6:8 RELATIONSHIP> > THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE> > B, OR THE WORDLY> > HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT> > BE APPLIED WITH> > THE DEATH OF THE PERSON.> > THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE> > LORDS OF OPPOSITE> > HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE> > LORDS OF ANY TWO> > HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE> > RELATIONS WITH THE> > PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY.> > KRUSHNA> > > > > > > > You both had a very good discussion. For any> > chart,> > considering the death, which is very important> > event, the role of> > Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami> > (Main Dasha Lord)> > should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here> > Jupiter is lord> > of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter> > can not give the> > result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with> > more points can> > come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon> > is with more> > points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's> > nature. It is with> > in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house> > E and is situated> > in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points,> > but being lord of> > E, it gets points from Moon and Mars.> > Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important> > result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars> > which is with 4> > points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is> > samdharmi to Moon.> > Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak> > for longevity.> > Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house> > and also 8th> > house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse> > result for> > longevity.> > Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having> > highest> > points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being> > in 4th place> > becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with> > 4 points can take> > the points of the planets in 4th place) So not> > including the points> > of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord.> > Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's> > sight on> > 8th house, it will not come forward to give the> > result. Here sun can> > come forward.> > Rahu's main period is also able to give the result,> > but> > Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main.> > For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets> > have> > more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points> > with 12 points> > can work on both the sides. So if all planets are> > with more points> > above 13 then death may be at early age. If two> > planets are with less> > points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4> > planets are with 12> > or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If> > more then 4 planets> > are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity.> > Here we can> > exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses.> > If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th> > house,> > again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn> > and Mars, we can> > have additional houses.> > Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So> > one> > should avoid calculating for a live person. For> > study purpose we can> > discuss chart of a dead person."> > krushna> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > Anup> > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:> > Dear List,> > > > I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the> > one> > ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the> > sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks.> > > > Satish> > > > P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why> > planet> > aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other> > comments are welcome. I am curious to know the> > answer> > from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native> > expired at a young age.> > --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:> > > > > Dear Ash,> > > > > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani> > aspects> > > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can> > > not> > > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House> > > 8,> > > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can> > > step> > > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually> > > shani who is doing the job through budh and not> > budh> > > on his own.> > > > > > Satish> > > --- Ash <kas wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he> > feel> > > > that its prudent to go> > > > into detail at this point on death he will write> > > on> > > > his own. Ofcouse if he> > > > writes it will be great :-) learning.> > > > > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on> > > > death, I have literary lost> > > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from> > > > internet for dahysetc. I> > > > have written about that. So taken those> > incidents> > > > as nimita meaning that> > > > the time is not right.> > > > > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as> > per> > > > our system i.e. in antra> > > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u> > > taking> > > > the literal meaning of a> > > > "killer" means causing death?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate> > 7th> > > > and 2nd house for death?> > > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is> > > > when u say that 2nd and 7th> > > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > > > Does it mean that death can> > > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation> > for> > > > death happening in that> > > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory> > please?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Anup, thanks very much. yeah i read that. i was more interested in " with whom " part and not " by whom " as Manu has stated. but " by whom " is also interesting... . if you can explain through some chart like yours if your are married.. , that would be so much helpful. thanks/regards harjeet , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > Sorry to interfere but i think the Karka and its " situation " in a particular > house can indicate " How " and by " whom " ,the event can take place. > This has been indicated in an example of FAQ. > > Regards > Anup > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > Dear Manu, > thats very informative.. you said from MD we can say 'how and with > whom'... > so is it that we check the house for which the MD lord is karak and > that house would indicate something about 'how and with whom'... > irrespective if you can please explain in more detail that would be > very grateful of you. > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , " Manu V Batura " > <astro.manu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > For marriage and promotion the way in which MD should be interpreted > is a > > bit different. When we time marriage we check for delay, zeroes, and > antra > > but we don't check for MD if it will give marriage or not. For > marriage MD > > indicates other things like the 'how and with whom' for marriage. I > > currently don't have the complete details though as to how to use it. > > > > For promotion also, if MD supports it will be favourable, but we should > > essentially look at the antra. > > > > For death the role of MD becomes more important as outlined by > Krushnaji. MD > > can give or deny death. > > > > Maybe Krushnaji and Ash can elaborate/correct. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK > > Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:10 AM > > > > RE: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 > > > > Thanks Anup. > > > > Now it puts question into my mind of why venus > > mahadasha gave the result. > > > > Satish > > --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as > > > such though i have no > > > message numbers.These comprises two mails actually > > > replying to two > > > different mails on the subject of Death. > > > Hope you will get some understanding from this. > > > > > > > > > " WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR > > > 6:8 RELATIONSHIP > > > THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE > > > B, OR THE WORDLY > > > HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT > > > BE APPLIED WITH > > > THE DEATH OF THE PERSON. > > > THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE > > > LORDS OF OPPOSITE > > > HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE > > > LORDS OF ANY TWO > > > HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE > > > RELATIONS WITH THE > > > PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY. > > > KRUSHNA > > > > > > > > > > > > You both had a very good discussion. For any > > > chart, > > > considering the death, which is very important > > > event, the role of > > > Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami > > > (Main Dasha Lord) > > > should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here > > > Jupiter is lord > > > of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter > > > can not give the > > > result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with > > > more points can > > > come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon > > > is with more > > > points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's > > > nature. It is with > > > in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house > > > E and is situated > > > in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points, > > > but being lord of > > > E, it gets points from Moon and Mars. > > > Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important > > > result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars > > > which is with 4 > > > points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is > > > samdharmi to Moon. > > > Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak > > > for longevity. > > > Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house > > > and also 8th > > > house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse > > > result for > > > longevity. > > > Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having > > > highest > > > points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being > > > in 4th place > > > becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with > > > 4 points can take > > > the points of the planets in 4th place) So not > > > including the points > > > of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord. > > > Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's > > > sight on > > > 8th house, it will not come forward to give the > > > result. Here sun can > > > come forward. > > > Rahu's main period is also able to give the result, > > > but > > > Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main. > > > For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets > > > have > > > more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points > > > with 12 points > > > can work on both the sides. So if all planets are > > > with more points > > > above 13 then death may be at early age. If two > > > planets are with less > > > points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4 > > > planets are with 12 > > > or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If > > > more then 4 planets > > > are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity. > > > Here we can > > > exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses. > > > If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th > > > house, > > > again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn > > > and Mars, we can > > > have additional houses. > > > Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So > > > one > > > should avoid calculating for a live person. For > > > study purpose we can > > > discuss chart of a dead person. " > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > > > I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the > > > one > > > ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the > > > sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks. > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why > > > planet > > > aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other > > > comments are welcome. I am curious to know the > > > answer > > > from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native > > > expired at a young age. > > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani > > > aspects > > > > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can > > > > not > > > > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House > > > > 8, > > > > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can > > > > step > > > > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually > > > > shani who is doing the job through budh and not > > > budh > > > > on his own. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Ash <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he > > > feel > > > > > that its prudent to go > > > > > into detail at this point on death he will write > > > > on > > > > > his own. Ofcouse if he > > > > > writes it will be great :-) learning. > > > > > > > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on > > > > > death, I have literary lost > > > > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from > > > > > internet for dahysetc. I > > > > > have written about that. So taken those > > > incidents > > > > > as nimita meaning that > > > > > the time is not right. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as > > > per > > > > > our system i.e. in antra > > > > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u > > > > taking > > > > > the literal meaning of a > > > > > " killer " means causing death? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate > > > 7th > > > > > and 2nd house for death? > > > > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is > > > > > when u say that 2nd and 7th > > > > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > > > > Does it mean that death can > > > > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation > > > for > > > > > death happening in that > > > > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Harjeet, Lets hope that Manu be here to explain us this:) You know, once i raised a question that karka of marriage is 2nd lord, giving of worries and stress:) BTW, its in 10th house in my chart. Regards Anup harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: Dear Anup,thanks very much. yeah i read that. i was more interested in "withwhom" part and not "by whom" as Manu has stated. but "by whom" is alsointeresting... .if you can explain through some chart like yours if your are married.., that would be so much helpful.thanks/regardsharjeet , "Anup. M"<dalh_1 wrote:>> Dear Harjeet,> > Sorry to interfere but i think the Karka and its "situation" in aparticular > house can indicate "How"and by "whom" ,the event can take place.> This has been indicated in an example of FAQ.> > Regards> Anup> > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote:> Dear Manu,> thats very informative.. you said from MD we can say 'how and with> whom'...> so is it that we check the house for which the MD lord is karak and> that house would indicate something about 'how and with whom'...> irrespective if you can please explain in more detail that would be> very grateful of you.> thanks/regards> harjeet> > , "Manu V Batura"> <astro.manu@> wrote:> >> > Dear Satish,> > > > For marriage and promotion the way in which MD should be interpreted> is a> > bit different. When we time marriage we check for delay, zeroes, and> antra> > but we don't check for MD if it will give marriage or not. For> marriage MD> > indicates other things like the 'how and with whom' for marriage. I> > currently don't have the complete details though as to how to use it. > > > > For promotion also, if MD supports it will be favourable, but weshould> > essentially look at the antra.> > > > For death the role of MD becomes more important as outlined by> Krushnaji. MD> > can give or deny death.> > > > Maybe Krushnaji and Ash can elaborate/correct.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > Manu> > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK> > Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:10 AM> > > > RE: Re: Quiz ASBC 3> > > > Thanks Anup.> > > > Now it puts question into my mind of why venus> > mahadasha gave the result. > > > > Satish> > --- "Anup. M" <dalh_1@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as> > > such though i have no> > > message numbers.These comprises two mails actually> > > replying to two> > > different mails on the subject of Death.> > > Hope you will get some understanding from this.> > > > > > > > > "WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR> > > 6:8 RELATIONSHIP> > > THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE> > > B, OR THE WORDLY> > > HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT> > > BE APPLIED WITH> > > THE DEATH OF THE PERSON.> > > THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE> > > LORDS OF OPPOSITE> > > HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE> > > LORDS OF ANY TWO> > > HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE> > > RELATIONS WITH THE> > > PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY.> > > KRUSHNA> > > > > > > > > > > > You both had a very good discussion. For any> > > chart,> > > considering the death, which is very important> > > event, the role of> > > Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami> > > (Main Dasha Lord)> > > should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here> > > Jupiter is lord> > > of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter> > > can not give the> > > result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with> > > more points can> > > come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon> > > is with more> > > points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's> > > nature. It is with> > > in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house> > > E and is situated> > > in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points,> > > but being lord of> > > E, it gets points from Moon and Mars.> > > Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important> > > result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars> > > which is with 4> > > points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is> > > samdharmi to Moon.> > > Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak> > > for longevity.> > > Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house> > > and also 8th> > > house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse> > > result for> > > longevity.> > > Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having> > > highest> > > points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being> > > in 4th place> > > becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with> > > 4 points can take> > > the points of the planets in 4th place) So not> > > including the points> > > of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord.> > > Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's> > > sight on> > > 8th house, it will not come forward to give the> > > result. Here sun can> > > come forward.> > > Rahu's main period is also able to give the result,> > > but> > > Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main.> > > For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets> > > have> > > more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points> > > with 12 points> > > can work on both the sides. So if all planets are> > > with more points> > > above 13 then death may be at early age. If two> > > planets are with less> > > points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4> > > planets are with 12> > > or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If> > > more then 4 planets> > > are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity.> > > Here we can> > > exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses.> > > If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th> > > house,> > > again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn> > > and Mars, we can> > > have additional houses.> > > Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So> > > one> > > should avoid calculating for a live person. For> > > study purpose we can> > > discuss chart of a dead person."> > > krushna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > Anup> > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> > > Dear List,> > > > > > I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the> > > one> > > ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the> > > sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks.> > > > > > Satish> > > > > > P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why> > > planet> > > aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other> > > comments are welcome. I am curious to know the> > > answer> > > from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native> > > expired at a young age.> > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Ash,> > > > > > > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani> > > aspects> > > > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can> > > > not> > > > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House> > > > 8,> > > > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can> > > > step> > > > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually> > > > shani who is doing the job through budh and not> > > budh> > > > on his own.> > > > > > > > Satish> > > > --- Ash <kas@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he> > > feel> > > > > that its prudent to go> > > > > into detail at this point on death he will write> > > > on> > > > > his own. Ofcouse if he> > > > > writes it will be great :-) learning.> > > > > > > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on> > > > > death, I have literary lost> > > > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from> > > > > internet for dahysetc. I> > > > > have written about that. So taken those> > > incidents> > > > > as nimita meaning that> > > > > the time is not right.> > > > > > > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as> > > per> > > > > our system i.e. in antra> > > > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u> > > > taking> > > > > the literal meaning of a> > > > > "killer" means causing death?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate> > > 7th> > > > > and 2nd house for death?> > > > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is> > > > > when u say that 2nd and 7th> > > > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > > > > Does it mean that death can> > > > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation> > > for> > > > > death happening in that> > > > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory> > > please?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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