Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Anup, i think we have to find the MD period when you got married. now this MD lord would be karak of some house. so we have to emphasize on that house.. that might be telling the enviornment. like marriage in the MD of planet which is karak of 11th house the marriage might be because native had to gain something out of it. i.e. the motive.. may be i am on wrong track. anyway as per your say... if we look at the house where the karak is situated... did you find your partner at work or you wanted a partner who works ?... or some other combination of questions related to 10th house.. like it would be very interesting to know about that the " by/with whom " part... if applicable. thanks/regards harjeet , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > Lets hope that Manu be here to explain us this:) > You know, once i raised a question that karka of marriage > is 2nd lord, giving of worries and stress:) > > BTW, its in 10th house in my chart. > > > Regards > Anup harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > Dear Anup, > thanks very much. yeah i read that. i was more interested in " with > whom " part and not " by whom " as Manu has stated. but " by whom " is also > interesting... . > if you can explain through some chart like yours if your are married.. > , that would be so much helpful. > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , " Anup. M " > <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > Sorry to interfere but i think the Karka and its " situation " in a > particular > > house can indicate " How " and by " whom " ,the event can take place. > > This has been indicated in an example of FAQ. > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > Dear Manu, > > thats very informative.. you said from MD we can say 'how and with > > whom'... > > so is it that we check the house for which the MD lord is karak and > > that house would indicate something about 'how and with whom'... > > irrespective if you can please explain in more detail that would be > > very grateful of you. > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > > > , " Manu V Batura " > > <astro.manu@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > For marriage and promotion the way in which MD should be interpreted > > is a > > > bit different. When we time marriage we check for delay, zeroes, and > > antra > > > but we don't check for MD if it will give marriage or not. For > > marriage MD > > > indicates other things like the 'how and with whom' for marriage. I > > > currently don't have the complete details though as to how to use it. > > > > > > For promotion also, if MD supports it will be favourable, but we > should > > > essentially look at the antra. > > > > > > For death the role of MD becomes more important as outlined by > > Krushnaji. MD > > > can give or deny death. > > > > > > Maybe Krushnaji and Ash can elaborate/correct. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK > > > Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:10 AM > > > > > > RE: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 > > > > > > Thanks Anup. > > > > > > Now it puts question into my mind of why venus > > > mahadasha gave the result. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as > > > > such though i have no > > > > message numbers.These comprises two mails actually > > > > replying to two > > > > different mails on the subject of Death. > > > > Hope you will get some understanding from this. > > > > > > > > > > > > " WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR > > > > 6:8 RELATIONSHIP > > > > THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE > > > > B, OR THE WORDLY > > > > HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT > > > > BE APPLIED WITH > > > > THE DEATH OF THE PERSON. > > > > THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE > > > > LORDS OF OPPOSITE > > > > HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE > > > > LORDS OF ANY TWO > > > > HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE > > > > RELATIONS WITH THE > > > > PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY. > > > > KRUSHNA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You both had a very good discussion. For any > > > > chart, > > > > considering the death, which is very important > > > > event, the role of > > > > Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami > > > > (Main Dasha Lord) > > > > should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here > > > > Jupiter is lord > > > > of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter > > > > can not give the > > > > result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with > > > > more points can > > > > come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon > > > > is with more > > > > points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's > > > > nature. It is with > > > > in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house > > > > E and is situated > > > > in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points, > > > > but being lord of > > > > E, it gets points from Moon and Mars. > > > > Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important > > > > result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars > > > > which is with 4 > > > > points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is > > > > samdharmi to Moon. > > > > Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak > > > > for longevity. > > > > Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house > > > > and also 8th > > > > house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse > > > > result for > > > > longevity. > > > > Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having > > > > highest > > > > points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being > > > > in 4th place > > > > becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with > > > > 4 points can take > > > > the points of the planets in 4th place) So not > > > > including the points > > > > of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord. > > > > Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's > > > > sight on > > > > 8th house, it will not come forward to give the > > > > result. Here sun can > > > > come forward. > > > > Rahu's main period is also able to give the result, > > > > but > > > > Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main. > > > > For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets > > > > have > > > > more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points > > > > with 12 points > > > > can work on both the sides. So if all planets are > > > > with more points > > > > above 13 then death may be at early age. If two > > > > planets are with less > > > > points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4 > > > > planets are with 12 > > > > or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If > > > > more then 4 planets > > > > are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity. > > > > Here we can > > > > exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses. > > > > If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th > > > > house, > > > > again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn > > > > and Mars, we can > > > > have additional houses. > > > > Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So > > > > one > > > > should avoid calculating for a live person. For > > > > study purpose we can > > > > discuss chart of a dead person. " > > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the > > > > one > > > > ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the > > > > sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why > > > > planet > > > > aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other > > > > comments are welcome. I am curious to know the > > > > answer > > > > from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native > > > > expired at a young age. > > > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani > > > > aspects > > > > > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can > > > > > not > > > > > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House > > > > > 8, > > > > > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can > > > > > step > > > > > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually > > > > > shani who is doing the job through budh and not > > > > budh > > > > > on his own. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- Ash <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he > > > > feel > > > > > > that its prudent to go > > > > > > into detail at this point on death he will write > > > > > on > > > > > > his own. Ofcouse if he > > > > > > writes it will be great :-) learning. > > > > > > > > > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on > > > > > > death, I have literary lost > > > > > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from > > > > > > internet for dahysetc. I > > > > > > have written about that. So taken those > > > > incidents > > > > > > as nimita meaning that > > > > > > the time is not right. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as > > > > per > > > > > > our system i.e. in antra > > > > > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u > > > > > taking > > > > > > the literal meaning of a > > > > > > " killer " means causing death? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate > > > > 7th > > > > > > and 2nd house for death? > > > > > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is > > > > > > when u say that 2nd and 7th > > > > > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > > > > > Does it mean that death can > > > > > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation > > > > for > > > > > > death happening in that > > > > > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory > > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Harjeet, Anup, Satish, Manu and all, There is two different subjects which has raised confusion in discussion. Quiz ASBC 3 subject is different from that of ASBC 3. While posting I could not remember that Quiz ASBC 3 was already in discussion. So please follow the thread of different subjects. There will not be any confusion. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishraharjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: Dear Anup,i think we have to find the MD period when you got married. now thisMD lord would be karak of some house. so we have to emphasize on thathouse.. that might be telling the enviornment.like marriage in the MD of planet which is karak of 11th house themarriage might be because native had to gain something out of it. i.e.the motive..may be i am on wrong track.anyway as per your say... if we look at the house where the karak issituated... did you find your partner at work or you wanted a partnerwho works ?... or some other combination of questions related to 10thhouse..like it would be very interesting to know about that the "by/withwhom" part... if applicable.thanks/regardsharjeet , "Anup. M"<dalh_1 wrote:>> Dear Harjeet,> > Lets hope that Manu be here to explain us this:)> You know, once i raised a question that karka ofmarriage> is 2nd lord, giving of worries and stress:)> > BTW, its in 10th house in my chart.> > > Regards> Anup > > > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote:> Dear Anup,> thanks very much. yeah i read that. i was more interested in "with> whom" part and not "by whom" as Manu has stated. but "by whom" is also> interesting... .> if you can explain through some chart like yours if your are married..> , that would be so much helpful.> thanks/regards> harjeet > > , "Anup. M"> <dalh_1@> wrote:> >> > Dear Harjeet,> > > > Sorry to interfere but i think the Karka and its "situation" in a> particular > > house can indicate "How"and by "whom" ,the event can take place.> > This has been indicated in an example of FAQ.> > > > Regards> > Anup> > > > > > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:> > Dear Manu,> > thats very informative.. you said from MD we can say 'how and with> > whom'...> > so is it that we check the house for which the MD lord is karak and> > that house would indicate something about 'how and with whom'...> > irrespective if you can please explain in more detail that would be> > very grateful of you.> > thanks/regards> > harjeet> > > > , "Manu V Batura"> > <astro.manu@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > For marriage and promotion the way in which MD should be interpreted> > is a> > > bit different. When we time marriage we check for delay, zeroes, and> > antra> > > but we don't check for MD if it will give marriage or not. For> > marriage MD> > > indicates other things like the 'how and with whom' for marriage. I> > > currently don't have the complete details though as to how touse it. > > > > > > For promotion also, if MD supports it will be favourable, but we> should> > > essentially look at the antra.> > > > > > For death the role of MD becomes more important as outlined by> > Krushnaji. MD> > > can give or deny death.> > > > > > Maybe Krushnaji and Ash can elaborate/correct.> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > Manu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK> > > Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:10 AM> > > > > > RE: Re: Quiz ASBC 3> > > > > > Thanks Anup.> > > > > > Now it puts question into my mind of why venus> > > mahadasha gave the result. > > > > > > Satish> > > --- "Anup. M" <dalh_1@> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > > > I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as> > > > such though i have no> > > > message numbers.These comprises two mails actually> > > > replying to two> > > > different mails on the subject of Death.> > > > Hope you will get some understanding from this.> > > > > > > > > > > > "WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR> > > > 6:8 RELATIONSHIP> > > > THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE> > > > B, OR THE WORDLY> > > > HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT> > > > BE APPLIED WITH> > > > THE DEATH OF THE PERSON.> > > > THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE> > > > LORDS OF OPPOSITE> > > > HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE> > > > LORDS OF ANY TWO> > > > HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE> > > > RELATIONS WITH THE> > > > PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY.> > > > KRUSHNA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You both had a very good discussion. For any> > > > chart,> > > > considering the death, which is very important> > > > event, the role of> > > > Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami> > > > (Main Dasha Lord)> > > > should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here> > > > Jupiter is lord> > > > of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter> > > > can not give the> > > > result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with> > > > more points can> > > > come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon> > > > is with more> > > > points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's> > > > nature. It is with> > > > in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house> > > > E and is situated> > > > in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points,> > > > but being lord of> > > > E, it gets points from Moon and Mars.> > > > Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important> > > > result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars> > > > which is with 4> > > > points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is> > > > samdharmi to Moon.> > > > Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak> > > > for longevity.> > > > Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house> > > > and also 8th> > > > house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse> > > > result for> > > > longevity.> > > > Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having> > > > highest> > > > points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being> > > > in 4th place> > > > becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with> > > > 4 points can take> > > > the points of the planets in 4th place) So not> > > > including the points> > > > of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord.> > > > Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's> > > > sight on> > > > 8th house, it will not come forward to give the> > > > result. Here sun can> > > > come forward.> > > > Rahu's main period is also able to give the result,> > > > but> > > > Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main.> > > > For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets> > > > have> > > > more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points> > > > with 12 points> > > > can work on both the sides. So if all planets are> > > > with more points> > > > above 13 then death may be at early age. If two> > > > planets are with less> > > > points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4> > > > planets are with 12> > > > or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If> > > > more then 4 planets> > > > are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity.> > > > Here we can> > > > exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses.> > > > If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th> > > > house,> > > > again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn> > > > and Mars, we can> > > > have additional houses.> > > > Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So> > > > one> > > > should avoid calculating for a live person. For> > > > study purpose we can> > > > discuss chart of a dead person."> > > > krushna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Anup> > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> > > > Dear List,> > > > > > > > I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the> > > > one> > > > ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the> > > > sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks.> > > > > > > > Satish> > > > > > > > P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why> > > > planet> > > > aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other> > > > comments are welcome. I am curious to know the> > > > answer> > > > from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native> > > > expired at a young age.> > > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear Ash,> > > > > > > > > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani> > > > aspects> > > > > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can> > > > > not> > > > > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House> > > > > 8,> > > > > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can> > > > > step> > > > > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually> > > > > shani who is doing the job through budh and not> > > > budh> > > > > on his own.> > > > > > > > > > Satish> > > > > --- Ash <kas@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > > > > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he> > > > feel> > > > > > that its prudent to go> > > > > > into detail at this point on death he will write> > > > > on> > > > > > his own. Ofcouse if he> > > > > > writes it will be great :-) learning.> > > > > > > > > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on> > > > > > death, I have literary lost> > > > > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from> > > > > > internet for dahysetc. I> > > > > > have written about that. So taken those> > > > incidents> > > > > > as nimita meaning that> > > > > > the time is not right.> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as> > > > per> > > > > > our system i.e. in antra> > > > > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u> > > > > taking> > > > > > the literal meaning of a> > > > > > "killer" means causing death?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate> > > > 7th> > > > > > and 2nd house for death?> > > > > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is> > > > > > when u say that 2nd and 7th> > > > > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > > > > > Does it mean that death can> > > > > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation> > > > for> > > > > > death happening in that> > > > > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory> > > > please?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Dear Anup, Manu, Satish, Sudhir, Harjeet and all, Here I am talking about the female native who died on 22 Oct 2007. Her lagna is rising at 18 Vi 14. On the date of death she was passing through Me antara in Ve main. Ve is the 12th lord and in 12th house from house B as 3rd. 3rd house is for life and 8th house is for death. 8th gives the longevity of the native. All planets in WS for 8th is more than 12 means all are powerful and it is said by Gurudev Shri Krushna Ji that in this situation death of the native happens in early age and so happened with this chart. Antara lord Me is LoE for 8th and LoA for 3rd.. Me is the karak for 3rd and occupy 12th from 3rd alongwith 12th lord Ve Ra is also situated in 12th house. Me is weak in WS for 3rd house matter whereas it is stong for 8th house matter. Since Me is LoE for 8th even due aspect of Me on house B for 8th could not save the native. LoB for 3rd and 8th both and its 7th lord are Ma and Ve in both the cases. Their position in the chart is 4:10. Ma is in 10th place from Ve and Me. Ma takes the point from Me thus making Ma powerful. Ma is in navamsa of Ju who is 12th lord from 8th as B. This Ju aspects Ma in rasi and navamsa . So relationship has establised between 8th and its 12th house . Ju occupy house A for 8th or house B for 3rd thus spoils 3rd house. The SAV points in 3rd is less than that of 8th. This way also 3rd is weaker than 8th. So Me antara is capable to give death. Let us see the role of MD lord Ve. Ve aspects the house B as 8th. As per KAS rule Ve should not give the event. Ma is FK and Me is NK for 8th. Ma does not aspect house A, B and C for 8th But Ma main starts at the age of 31 and the native has Alpayu longevity so no question of considering Ma MD. Now Mo strongly occupy 8th and afflicted by Ra;Ke, we may call it Arishta yog. Mo is also aspected by Sa Ma also afflicts Lagna and lagnalord Me . Ma is in 10th from Ve so Ve becomes SD to Ma . Therefore I think Ve main period could give the death inspite of being in 2nd. I have tried to analyse this event as per above. If I am wrong or rather my approach is wrong, you may correct me or kindly give your own judgement. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: Dear Anup,i think we have to find the MD period when you got married. now thisMD lord would be karak of some house. so we have to emphasize on thathouse.. that might be telling the enviornment.like marriage in the MD of planet which is karak of 11th house themarriage might be because native had to gain something out of it. i.e.the motive..may be i am on wrong track.anyway as per your say... if we look at the house where the karak issituated... did you find your partner at work or you wanted a partnerwho works ?... or some other combination of questions related to 10thhouse..like it would be very interesting to know about that the "by/withwhom" part... if applicable.thanks/regardsharjeet , "Anup. M"<dalh_1 wrote:>> Dear Harjeet,> > Lets hope that Manu be here to explain us this:)> You know, once i raised a question that karka ofmarriage> is 2nd lord, giving of worries and stress:)> > BTW, its in 10th house in my chart.> > > Regards> Anup > > > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote:> Dear Anup,> thanks very much. yeah i read that. i was more interested in "with> whom" part and not "by whom" as Manu has stated. but "by whom" is also> interesting... .> if you can explain through some chart like yours if your are married..> , that would be so much helpful.> thanks/regards> harjeet > > , "Anup. M"> <dalh_1@> wrote:> >> > Dear Harjeet,> > > > Sorry to interfere but i think the Karka and its "situation" in a> particular > > house can indicate "How"and by "whom" ,the event can take place.> > This has been indicated in an example of FAQ.> > > > Regards> > Anup> > > > > > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:> > Dear Manu,> > thats very informative.. you said from MD we can say 'how and with> > whom'...> > so is it that we check the house for which the MD lord is karak and> > that house would indicate something about 'how and with whom'...> > irrespective if you can please explain in more detail that would be> > very grateful of you.> > thanks/regards> > harjeet> > > > , "Manu V Batura"> > <astro.manu@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > For marriage and promotion the way in which MD should be interpreted> > is a> > > bit different. When we time marriage we check for delay, zeroes, and> > antra> > > but we don't check for MD if it will give marriage or not. For> > marriage MD> > > indicates other things like the 'how and with whom' for marriage. I> > > currently don't have the complete details though as to how touse it. > > > > > > For promotion also, if MD supports it will be favourable, but we> should> > > essentially look at the antra.> > > > > > For death the role of MD becomes more important as outlined by> > Krushnaji. MD> > > can give or deny death.> > > > > > Maybe Krushnaji and Ash can elaborate/correct.> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > Manu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK> > > Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:10 AM> > > > > > RE: Re: Quiz ASBC 3> > > > > > Thanks Anup.> > > > > > Now it puts question into my mind of why venus> > > mahadasha gave the result. > > > > > > Satish> > > --- "Anup. M" <dalh_1@> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > > > I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as> > > > such though i have no> > > > message numbers.These comprises two mails actually> > > > replying to two> > > > different mails on the subject of Death.> > > > Hope you will get some understanding from this.> > > > > > > > > > > > "WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR> > > > 6:8 RELATIONSHIP> > > > THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE> > > > B, OR THE WORDLY> > > > HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT> > > > BE APPLIED WITH> > > > THE DEATH OF THE PERSON.> > > > THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE> > > > LORDS OF OPPOSITE> > > > HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE> > > > LORDS OF ANY TWO> > > > HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE> > > > RELATIONS WITH THE> > > > PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY.> > > > KRUSHNA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You both had a very good discussion. For any> > > > chart,> > > > considering the death, which is very important> > > > event, the role of> > > > Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami> > > > (Main Dasha Lord)> > > > should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here> > > > Jupiter is lord> > > > of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter> > > > can not give the> > > > result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with> > > > more points can> > > > come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon> > > > is with more> > > > points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's> > > > nature. It is with> > > > in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house> > > > E and is situated> > > > in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points,> > > > but being lord of> > > > E, it gets points from Moon and Mars.> > > > Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important> > > > result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars> > > > which is with 4> > > > points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is> > > > samdharmi to Moon.> > > > Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak> > > > for longevity.> > > > Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house> > > > and also 8th> > > > house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse> > > > result for> > > > longevity.> > > > Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having> > > > highest> > > > points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being> > > > in 4th place> > > > becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with> > > > 4 points can take> > > > the points of the planets in 4th place) So not> > > > including the points> > > > of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord.> > > > Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's> > > > sight on> > > > 8th house, it will not come forward to give the> > > > result. Here sun can> > > > come forward.> > > > Rahu's main period is also able to give the result,> > > > but> > > > Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main.> > > > For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets> > > > have> > > > more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points> > > > with 12 points> > > > can work on both the sides. So if all planets are> > > > with more points> > > > above 13 then death may be at early age. If two> > > > planets are with less> > > > points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4> > > > planets are with 12> > > > or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If> > > > more then 4 planets> > > > are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity.> > > > Here we can> > > > exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses.> > > > If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th> > > > house,> > > > again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn> > > > and Mars, we can> > > > have additional houses.> > > > Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So> > > > one> > > > should avoid calculating for a live person. For> > > > study purpose we can> > > > discuss chart of a dead person."> > > > krushna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Anup> > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> > > > Dear List,> > > > > > > > I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the> > > > one> > > > ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the> > > > sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks.> > > > > > > > Satish> > > > > > > > P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why> > > > planet> > > > aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other> > > > comments are welcome. I am curious to know the> > > > answer> > > > from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native> > > > expired at a young age.> > > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear Ash,> > > > > > > > > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani> > > > aspects> > > > > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can> > > > > not> > > > > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House> > > > > 8,> > > > > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can> > > > > step> > > > > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually> > > > > shani who is doing the job through budh and not> > > > budh> > > > > on his own.> > > > > > > > > > Satish> > > > > --- Ash <kas@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > > > > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he> > > > feel> > > > > > that its prudent to go> > > > > > into detail at this point on death he will write> > > > > on> > > > > > his own. Ofcouse if he> > > > > > writes it will be great :-) learning.> > > > > > > > > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on> > > > > > death, I have literary lost> > > > > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from> > > > > > internet for dahysetc. I> > > > > > have written about that. So taken those> > > > incidents> > > > > > as nimita meaning that> > > > > > the time is not right.> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as> > > > per> > > > > > our system i.e. in antra> > > > > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u> > > > > taking> > > > > > the literal meaning of a> > > > > > "killer" means causing death?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate> > > > 7th> > > > > > and 2nd house for death?> > > > > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is> > > > > > when u say that 2nd and 7th> > > > > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > > > > > Does it mean that death can> > > > > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation> > > > for> > > > > > death happening in that> > > > > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory> > > > please?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > > > Do You ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Dear Anup, Harjeet, I wish I could explain this further. I guess we need to analyse more and more charts to see the pattern. Thanks & Regards, Manu On Behalf Of Anup. M Tuesday, November 06, 2007 7:12 AM To: Re: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 Dear Harjeet, Lets hope that Manu be here to explain us this:) You know, once i raised a question that karka of marriage is 2nd lord, giving of worries and stress:) BTW, its in 10th house in my chart. Regards Anup harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: Dear Anup, thanks very much. yeah i read that. i was more interested in " with whom " part and not " by whom " as Manu has stated. but " by whom " is also interesting... . if you can explain through some chart like yours if your are married.. , that would be so much helpful. thanks/regards harjeet , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > Sorry to interfere but i think the Karka and its " situation " in a particular > house can indicate " How " and by " whom " ,the event can take place. > This has been indicated in an example of FAQ. > > Regards > Anup > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > Dear Manu, > thats very informative.. you said from MD we can say 'how and with > whom'... > so is it that we check the house for which the MD lord is karak and > that house would indicate something about 'how and with whom'... > irrespective if you can please explain in more detail that would be > very grateful of you. > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , " Manu V Batura " > <astro.manu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > For marriage and promotion the way in which MD should be interpreted > is a > > bit different. When we time marriage we check for delay, zeroes, and > antra > > but we don't check for MD if it will give marriage or not. For > marriage MD > > indicates other things like the 'how and with whom' for marriage. I > > currently don't have the complete details though as to how to use it. > > > > For promotion also, if MD supports it will be favourable, but we should > > essentially look at the antra. > > > > For death the role of MD becomes more important as outlined by > Krushnaji. MD > > can give or deny death. > > > > Maybe Krushnaji and Ash can elaborate/correct. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK > > Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:10 AM > > > > RE: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 > > > > Thanks Anup. > > > > Now it puts question into my mind of why venus > > mahadasha gave the result. > > > > Satish > > --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as > > > such though i have no > > > message numbers.These comprises two mails actually > > > replying to two > > > different mails on the subject of Death. > > > Hope you will get some understanding from this. > > > > > > > > > " WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR > > > 6:8 RELATIONSHIP > > > THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE > > > B, OR THE WORDLY > > > HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT > > > BE APPLIED WITH > > > THE DEATH OF THE PERSON. > > > THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE > > > LORDS OF OPPOSITE > > > HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE > > > LORDS OF ANY TWO > > > HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE > > > RELATIONS WITH THE > > > PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY. > > > KRUSHNA > > > > > > > > > > > > You both had a very good discussion. For any > > > chart, > > > considering the death, which is very important > > > event, the role of > > > Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami > > > (Main Dasha Lord) > > > should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here > > > Jupiter is lord > > > of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter > > > can not give the > > > result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with > > > more points can > > > come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon > > > is with more > > > points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's > > > nature. It is with > > > in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house > > > E and is situated > > > in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points, > > > but being lord of > > > E, it gets points from Moon and Mars. > > > Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important > > > result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars > > > which is with 4 > > > points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is > > > samdharmi to Moon. > > > Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak > > > for longevity. > > > Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house > > > and also 8th > > > house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse > > > result for > > > longevity. > > > Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having > > > highest > > > points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being > > > in 4th place > > > becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with > > > 4 points can take > > > the points of the planets in 4th place) So not > > > including the points > > > of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord. > > > Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's > > > sight on > > > 8th house, it will not come forward to give the > > > result. Here sun can > > > come forward. > > > Rahu's main period is also able to give the result, > > > but > > > Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main. > > > For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets > > > have > > > more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points > > > with 12 points > > > can work on both the sides. So if all planets are > > > with more points > > > above 13 then death may be at early age. If two > > > planets are with less > > > points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4 > > > planets are with 12 > > > or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If > > > more then 4 planets > > > are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity. > > > Here we can > > > exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses. > > > If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th > > > house, > > > again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn > > > and Mars, we can > > > have additional houses. > > > Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So > > > one > > > should avoid calculating for a live person. For > > > study purpose we can > > > discuss chart of a dead person. " > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > > > I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the > > > one > > > ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the > > > sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks. > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why > > > planet > > > aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other > > > comments are welcome. I am curious to know the > > > answer > > > from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native > > > expired at a young age. > > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani > > > aspects > > > > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can > > > > not > > > > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House > > > > 8, > > > > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can > > > > step > > > > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually > > > > shani who is doing the job through budh and not > > > budh > > > > on his own. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Ash <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he > > > feel > > > > > that its prudent to go > > > > > into detail at this point on death he will write > > > > on > > > > > his own. Ofcouse if he > > > > > writes it will be great :-) learning. > > > > > > > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on > > > > > death, I have literary lost > > > > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from > > > > > internet for dahysetc. I > > > > > have written about that. So taken those > > > incidents > > > > > as nimita meaning that > > > > > the time is not right. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as > > > per > > > > > our system i.e. in antra > > > > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u > > > > taking > > > > > the literal meaning of a > > > > > " killer " means causing death? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate > > > 7th > > > > > and 2nd house for death? > > > > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is > > > > > when u say that 2nd and 7th > > > > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > > > > Does it mean that death can > > > > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation > > > for > > > > > death happening in that > > > > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Dear Ramesh, AV Deg as 18vir13 su 3 01sco25 mo 6 16ari38 ma 2 28can38 me 7 16lib20 ju 4 02sco08 ve 4 10lib31 sa 3 12aqu49 ra 21lib15 ke 21ari15 Good analysis. I agree, Ve although aspects 8th house, it can give event as SD to ma which is both NK and FK for 8th house. Me is LOE for 8th, has low points for 3rd so can give event. The relationship of ve, me, ma and mo is critical in this chart. Mo is LoE for 6th and LoD for 2nd and karak for 4th. Ve MD opposes karaktwa for 4th, Me is opposing the houses 6th and 2nd. Hence, it would have helped to understand the circumstances in which event took place. Thanks & Regards, Manu On Behalf Of ramesh mishra Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:45 PM To: Re: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 Dear Anup, Manu, Satish, Sudhir, Harjeet and all, Here I am talking about the female native who died on 22 Oct 2007. Her lagna is rising at 18 Vi 14. On the date of death she was passing through Me antara in Ve main. Ve is the 12th lord and in 12th house from house B as 3rd. 3rd house is for life and 8th house is for death. 8th gives the longevity of the native. All planets in WS for 8th is more than 12 means all are powerful and it is said by Gurudev Shri Krushna Ji that in this situation death of the native happens in early age and so happened with this chart. Antara lord Me is LoE for 8th and LoA for 3rd.. Me is the karak for 3rd and occupy 12th from 3rd alongwith 12th lord Ve Ra is also situated in 12th house. Me is weak in WS for 3rd house matter whereas it is stong for 8th house matter. Since Me is LoE for 8th even due aspect of Me on house B for 8th could not save the native. LoB for 3rd and 8th both and its 7th lord are Ma and Ve in both the cases. Their position in the chart is 4:10. Ma is in 10th place from Ve and Me. Ma takes the point from Me thus making Ma powerful. Ma is in navamsa of Ju who is 12th lord from 8th as B. This Ju aspects Ma in rasi and navamsa . So relationship has establised between 8th and its 12th house . Ju occupy house A for 8th or house B for 3rd thus spoils 3rd house. The SAV points in 3rd is less than that of 8th. This way also 3rd is weaker than 8th. So Me antara is capable to give death. Let us see the role of MD lord Ve. Ve aspects the house B as 8th. As per KAS rule Ve should not give the event. Ma is FK and Me is NK for 8th. Ma does not aspect house A, B and C for 8th But Ma main starts at the age of 31 and the native has Alpayu longevity so no question of considering Ma MD. Now Mo strongly occupy 8th and afflicted by Ra;Ke, we may call it Arishta yog. Mo is also aspected by Sa Ma also afflicts Lagna and lagnalord Me . Ma is in 10th from Ve so Ve becomes SD to Ma . Therefore I think Ve main period could give the death inspite of being in 2nd. I have tried to analyse this event as per above. If I am wrong or rather my approach is wrong, you may correct me or kindly give your own judgement. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: Dear Anup, i think we have to find the MD period when you got married. now this MD lord would be karak of some house. so we have to emphasize on that house.. that might be telling the enviornment. like marriage in the MD of planet which is karak of 11th house the marriage might be because native had to gain something out of it. i.e. the motive.. may be i am on wrong track. anyway as per your say... if we look at the house where the karak is situated... did you find your partner at work or you wanted a partner who works ?... or some other combination of questions related to 10th house.. like it would be very interesting to know about that the " by/with whom " part... if applicable. thanks/regards harjeet , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > Lets hope that Manu be here to explain us this:) > You know, once i raised a question that karka of marriage > is 2nd lord, giving of worries and stress:) > > BTW, its in 10th house in my chart. > > > Regards > Anup > > > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > Dear Anup, > thanks very much. yeah i read that. i was more interested in " with > whom " part and not " by whom " as Manu has stated. but " by whom " is also > interesting... . > if you can explain through some chart like yours if your are married.. > , that would be so much helpful. > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , " Anup. M " > <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > Sorry to interfere but i think the Karka and its " situation " in a > particular > > house can indicate " How " and by " whom " ,the event can take place. > > This has been indicated in an example of FAQ. > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > Dear Manu, > > thats very informative.. you said from MD we can say 'how and with > > whom'... > > so is it that we check the house for which the MD lord is karak and > > that house would indicate something about 'how and with whom'... > > irrespective if you can please explain in more detail that would be > > very grateful of you. > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > > > , " Manu V Batura " > > <astro.manu@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > For marriage and promotion the way in which MD should be interpreted > > is a > > > bit different. When we time marriage we check for delay, zeroes, and > > antra > > > but we don't check for MD if it will give marriage or not. For > > marriage MD > > > indicates other things like the 'how and with whom' for marriage. I > > > currently don't have the complete details though as to how to use it. > > > > > > For promotion also, if MD supports it will be favourable, but we > should > > > essentially look at the antra. > > > > > > For death the role of MD becomes more important as outlined by > > Krushnaji. MD > > > can give or deny death. > > > > > > Maybe Krushnaji and Ash can elaborate/correct. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of SPK > > > Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:10 AM > > > > > > RE: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 > > > > > > Thanks Anup. > > > > > > Now it puts question into my mind of why venus > > > mahadasha gave the result. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > I am reproducing the mails by Guru Krushnaji as > > > > such though i have no > > > > message numbers.These comprises two mails actually > > > > replying to two > > > > different mails on the subject of Death. > > > > Hope you will get some understanding from this. > > > > > > > > > > > > " WHEN LORD OF B AND IT'S 7TH LORD ARE IN 2:12 OR > > > > 6:8 RELATIONSHIP > > > > THEN THE RELATIONS WITH THE PERSON DENOTED BY HOUSE > > > > B, OR THE WORDLY > > > > HAPPINESS, OR SATISFACTION IS REDUCED. THIS CAN NOT > > > > BE APPLIED WITH > > > > THE DEATH OF THE PERSON. > > > > THESE ARE BASIC LAWS, IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY, THE > > > > LORDS OF OPPOSITE > > > > HOUSES ARE HAVING ENMITY WITH EACH OTHER. IF THE > > > > LORDS OF ANY TWO > > > > HOUSES ARE IN 6:8 RELATIONSHIP, THE EVENT OR THE > > > > RELATIONS WITH THE > > > > PERSON DENOTED BY THE HOUSE ARE NOT HEALTHY. > > > > KRUSHNA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You both had a very good discussion. For any > > > > chart, > > > > considering the death, which is very important > > > > event, the role of > > > > Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami > > > > (Main Dasha Lord) > > > > should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here > > > > Jupiter is lord > > > > of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter > > > > can not give the > > > > result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with > > > > more points can > > > > come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon > > > > is with more > > > > points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's > > > > nature. It is with > > > > in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house > > > > E and is situated > > > > in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points, > > > > but being lord of > > > > E, it gets points from Moon and Mars. > > > > Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important > > > > result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars > > > > which is with 4 > > > > points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is > > > > samdharmi to Moon. > > > > Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak > > > > for longevity. > > > > Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house > > > > and also 8th > > > > house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse > > > > result for > > > > longevity. > > > > Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having > > > > highest > > > > points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being > > > > in 4th place > > > > becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with > > > > 4 points can take > > > > the points of the planets in 4th place) So not > > > > including the points > > > > of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord. > > > > Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's > > > > sight on > > > > 8th house, it will not come forward to give the > > > > result. Here sun can > > > > come forward. > > > > Rahu's main period is also able to give the result, > > > > but > > > > Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main. > > > > For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets > > > > have > > > > more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points > > > > with 12 points > > > > can work on both the sides. So if all planets are > > > > with more points > > > > above 13 then death may be at early age. If two > > > > planets are with less > > > > points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4 > > > > planets are with 12 > > > > or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If > > > > more then 4 planets > > > > are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity. > > > > Here we can > > > > exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses. > > > > If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th > > > > house, > > > > again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn > > > > and Mars, we can > > > > have additional houses. > > > > Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So > > > > one > > > > should avoid calculating for a live person. For > > > > study purpose we can > > > > discuss chart of a dead person. " > > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > I think Quiz ASBS 3 is a different chart than the > > > > one > > > > ramesh is discussing. it would good to change the > > > > sunject line to reflect the same. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > P.S. Harjeet replied to my query regarding why > > > > planet > > > > aspecting A/B or C house can give result. Any other > > > > comments are welcome. I am curious to know the > > > > answer > > > > from KAS standpoint about the quiz where the native > > > > expired at a young age. > > > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > Thinking more of the chart, I see that Shani > > > > aspects > > > > > 8th i.e. house B. So planet aspecting house B can > > > > > not > > > > > give result for the event. Budh also aspects House > > > > > 8, > > > > > i.e. B, so he can not give result himself but can > > > > > step > > > > > in for shani to give the result. So it is actually > > > > > shani who is doing the job through budh and not > > > > budh > > > > > on his own. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- Ash <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > Krushnaji might read this mail and should he > > > > feel > > > > > > that its prudent to go > > > > > > into detail at this point on death he will write > > > > > on > > > > > > his own. Ofcouse if he > > > > > > writes it will be great :-) learning. > > > > > > > > > > > > In many of my past discussions with Krushnaji on > > > > > > death, I have literary lost > > > > > > my laptop and I had serious disconnection from > > > > > > internet for dahysetc. I > > > > > > have written about that. So taken those > > > > incidents > > > > > > as nimita meaning that > > > > > > the time is not right. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I can only say is that death happened as > > > > per > > > > > > our system i.e. in antra > > > > > > of LoE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, when you say Marak are u > > > > > taking > > > > > > the literal meaning of a > > > > > > " killer " means causing death? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then people will associate > > > > 7th > > > > > > and 2nd house for death? > > > > > > I am not clear, on what your thinking process is > > > > > > when u say that 2nd and 7th > > > > > > house are marak sthan and its lords are maraks? > > > > > > Does it mean that death can > > > > > > happen or do u factor that in the calculation > > > > for > > > > > > death happening in that > > > > > > planet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain a bit on the marak theory > > > > please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Dear manu, Could you please explain the following statement " Ve MD opposes karaktwa for 4th, Me is opposing the houses 6th and 2nd. " Thanks --- Manu V Batura <astro.manu wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Dear Satish, Ve and Me are in 4th from Ma and SD to Ma. Mo is in 10th from Ma and Ma opposes Mo. Hence, Ve and Me will oppose Mo. They are also in opposition to Mo in 7th from it. Mo is Karak for 4th, hence, Ve MD will oppose karaktwa of 4th. Mo is LoD/LoE for 2nd and 6th respectively. Hence, Me AD will oppose 2nd and 6th house results. Thanks & Regards, Manu On Behalf Of SPK Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:22 AM RE: Re: Quiz ASBC 3 Dear manu, Could you please explain the following statement " Ve MD opposes karaktwa for 4th, Me is opposing the houses 6th and 2nd. " Thanks --- Manu V Batura <astro.manu wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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