can someone analyze spiritual life of following person

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Can someone analyze spiritual life of a male DOB 28Nov1964, 07:32 AM

at Madurai, India. Married 19March 1995 with two kids (girl born

24Feb03 and boy born 16Mar06). This person has two siblings (one elder

brother and younger sister). His father passed away when he was 2 yrs

old and mother still alive. This person currently lives abroad since

Nov 1992.

is he self realized ?.

[Guest guest]

not sure whether following Lat/Longitude of Madurai, Tamil Nadu, India

is correct.

 

just in case you need this.

 

Madurai, TN, India.

Latitude 9.58N

Longitude 78.10E

 

, " Ravi Shankar "

<shankar_ravi_v wrote:

>

> Can someone analyze spiritual life of a male DOB 28Nov1964, 07:32 AM

> at Madurai, India. Married 19March 1995 with two kids (girl born

> 24Feb03 and boy born 16Mar06). This person has two siblings (one elder

> brother and younger sister). His father passed away when he was 2 yrs

> old and mother still alive. This person currently lives abroad since

> Nov 1992.

> is he self realized ?.

>

[Guest guest]

It should be 9.56N, 78.07E.Ravi Shankar <shankar_ravi_v wrote: not sure whether following Lat/Longitude of Madurai, Tamil Nadu, Indiais correct.just in case you need this.Madurai, TN, India.Latitude 9.58NLongitude 78.10E , "Ravi Shankar"<shankar_ravi_v wrote:>> Can someone analyze spiritual life of a male DOB 28Nov1964, 07:32 AM> at Madurai,

India. Married 19March 1995 with two kids (girl born> 24Feb03 and boy born 16Mar06). This person has two siblings (one elder> brother and younger sister). His father passed away when he was 2 yrs> old and mother still alive. This person currently lives abroad since> Nov 1992.> is he self realized ?.>Hasmukhrai J MehtaAstrological services par excellencehttp://www.astroclinica.com

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[Guest guest]

Dear Ravi Shankar?

 

How do you define self realization? I am sure if a person is self realized

(by whatever definition we take), the person himself would surely know if he

is self realized. Why would we want to know if someone else is self

realized?

 

Sorry, too many queries.

 

Thanks & Regards,

Manu

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Ravi Shankar

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:58 AM

 

Re: can someone analyze spiritual life

of following person

 

not sure whether following Lat/Longitude of Madurai, Tamil Nadu, India

is correct.

 

just in case you need this.

 

Madurai, TN, India.

Latitude 9.58N

Longitude 78.10E

 

, " Ravi Shankar "

<shankar_ravi_v wrote:

>

> Can someone analyze spiritual life of a male DOB 28Nov1964, 07:32 AM

> at Madurai, India. Married 19March 1995 with two kids (girl born

> 24Feb03 and boy born 16Mar06). This person has two siblings (one elder

> brother and younger sister). His father passed away when he was 2 yrs

> old and mother still alive. This person currently lives abroad since

> Nov 1992.

> is he self realized ?.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Manu,

 

Essentially " self " means to identify really who are you. The " self "

which attaches to five senses and projects/believes the world to be

real is called mind. Mind is restless and always attaches to external

objects/thoughts which prevents experiencing our true nature.

 

By contrast the mind which flows inwards to the source (our self)

will experience the bliss of " self " . " self " and happiness are

synonyms. It's similar to Sun which always shines in the sky. It does

not know darkness. Similarly, " self " is essentially our true being

which is never born or dies and it is blissful always.

 

I'm just curious whether following person has any interest in

spirituality and whether he's realized or closer to it. It's a quiz to

this group.

 

 

, " Manu V Batura "

<astro.manu wrote:

>

> Dear Ravi Shankar?

>

> How do you define self realization? I am sure if a person is self

realized

> (by whatever definition we take), the person himself would surely

know if he

> is self realized. Why would we want to know if someone else is self

> realized?

>

> Sorry, too many queries.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

> Manu

>

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of Ravi

Shankar

> Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:58 AM

>

> Re: can someone analyze

spiritual life

> of following person

>

> not sure whether following Lat/Longitude of Madurai, Tamil Nadu, India

> is correct.

>

> just in case you need this.

>

> Madurai, TN, India.

> Latitude 9.58N

> Longitude 78.10E

>

> , " Ravi Shankar "

> <shankar_ravi_v@> wrote:

> >

> > Can someone analyze spiritual life of a male DOB 28Nov1964, 07:32 AM

> > at Madurai, India. Married 19March 1995 with two kids (girl born

> > 24Feb03 and boy born 16Mar06). This person has two siblings (one elder

> > brother and younger sister). His father passed away when he was 2 yrs

> > old and mother still alive. This person currently lives abroad since

> > Nov 1992.

> > is he self realized ?.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravi

Shankar,

 

All that theory is ok, however how does

that relate to physical existence and with timing.

 

For example, say if a person becomes

spiritiual (depends on the connotation) and then he stops doing work, and stops

making income.

In that case 10th and 11th

house will show something, if he becomes a bramachary then again some houses

will show that, if he is leaving his home and wandering into woods or to

himalaya or something like that then again 4th house along with

others will reflect that etc.

 

So please translate how Spirituality maps

to the various houses and that will probably give a more practical approach to

analyze a chart.

 

Again, there is one post regarding “Siddhi”

gained by Krushnaji and you can look that up from the archives and that might

give some insight.

 

I have written a post on Spirituality and

12th house and 5th house etc and its in the archives,

take a look at that. That was a discussion between Dadhi and myself.

 

Those should help.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Ravi Shankar

Tuesday November 13, 2007

1:01 PM

 

Subject:

Re: can someone analyze spiritual life of following

person

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manu,

 

Essentially " self " means to identify really who are you. The

" self "

which attaches to five senses and projects/believes the world to be

real is called mind. Mind is restless and always attaches to external

objects/thoughts which prevents experiencing our true nature.

 

By contrast the mind which flows inwards to the source (our self)

will experience the bliss of " self " . " self " and happiness

are

synonyms. It's similar to Sun which always shines in the sky. It does

not know darkness. Similarly, " self " is essentially our true being

which is never born or dies and it is blissful always.

 

I'm just curious whether following person has any interest in

spirituality and whether he's realized or closer to it. It's a quiz to

this group.

 

,

" Manu V Batura "

<astro.manu wrote:

>

> Dear Ravi Shankar?

>

> How do you define self realization? I am sure if a person is self

realized

> (by whatever definition we take), the person himself would surely

know if he

> is self realized. Why would we want to know if someone else is self

> realized?

>

> Sorry, too many queries.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

> Manu

>

>

>

>

>

On Behalf Of Ravi

Shankar

> Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:58 AM

>

> Re: can someone analyze

spiritual life

> of following person

>

> not sure whether following Lat/Longitude of Madurai,

Tamil Nadu, India

> is correct.

>

> just in case you need this.

>

> Madurai, TN, India.

> Latitude 9.58N

> Longitude 78.10E

>

> ,

" Ravi Shankar "

> <shankar_ravi_v@> wrote:

> >

> > Can someone analyze spiritual life of a male DOB 28Nov1964, 07:32 AM

> > at Madurai, India. Married 19March 1995 with

two kids (girl born

> > 24Feb03 and boy born 16Mar06). This person has two siblings (one

elder

> > brother and younger sister). His father passed away when he was 2 yrs

> > old and mother still alive. This person currently lives abroad since

> > Nov 1992.

> > is he self realized ?.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravi Shankar,

 

Thanks for your explanation. If this is a quiz then it means you know that

the person is self realized or not (or closer to that state as you have

mentioned). If someone tells me that he is self realized, how can I check

that that is really the case? I am curious to know if self realization is a

testable thing.

 

What I am trying to say is that it is one thing to say that the person is on

his path towards truthfulness, doing good to others, etc. Is that what you

want us to analyze; whether this person is good at heart? You mentioned that

self realization is a state of knowing who you really are. But, that is too

generic for a definition.

 

I think what you are referring to is a concept where faith holds a lot of

importance. If you and I have faith that a person is 'self realized' and

become devotees, we would hardly care to really have formal proof that that

is really the case. It is all in the mind.

 

But, for spirituality and pious nature, 1st, 5th and 9th houses gain

importance, so does the 12th house and position of moon in the chart. How

benefics and malefics are placed in the chart etc. I guess one will land up

checking overall chart to see if the person has any negative tendencies or

not.

 

I still don't understand 'self realization' enough to check it in a chart.

 

Thanks & Regards,

Manu

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Ravi Shankar

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:31 PM

 

Re: can someone analyze spiritual life

of following person

 

Dear Manu,

 

Essentially " self " means to identify really who are you. The " self "

which attaches to five senses and projects/believes the world to be

real is called mind. Mind is restless and always attaches to external

objects/thoughts which prevents experiencing our true nature.

 

By contrast the mind which flows inwards to the source (our self)

will experience the bliss of " self " . " self " and happiness are

synonyms. It's similar to Sun which always shines in the sky. It does

not know darkness. Similarly, " self " is essentially our true being

which is never born or dies and it is blissful always.

 

I'm just curious whether following person has any interest in

spirituality and whether he's realized or closer to it. It's a quiz to

this group.

 

 

, " Manu V Batura "

<astro.manu wrote:

>

> Dear Ravi Shankar?

>

> How do you define self realization? I am sure if a person is self

realized

> (by whatever definition we take), the person himself would surely

know if he

> is self realized. Why would we want to know if someone else is self

> realized?

>

> Sorry, too many queries.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

> Manu

>

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of Ravi

Shankar

> Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:58 AM

>

> Re: can someone analyze

spiritual life

> of following person

>

> not sure whether following Lat/Longitude of Madurai, Tamil Nadu, India

> is correct.

>

> just in case you need this.

>

> Madurai, TN, India.

> Latitude 9.58N

> Longitude 78.10E

>

> , " Ravi Shankar "

> <shankar_ravi_v@> wrote:

> >

> > Can someone analyze spiritual life of a male DOB 28Nov1964, 07:32 AM

> > at Madurai, India. Married 19March 1995 with two kids (girl born

> > 24Feb03 and boy born 16Mar06). This person has two siblings (one elder

> > brother and younger sister). His father passed away when he was 2 yrs

> > old and mother still alive. This person currently lives abroad since

> > Nov 1992.

> > is he self realized ?.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ash,

 

What I'm referring about " self " is not a theory. Its a fact.

We can't relate physical existence and time to " self " . Imagining

the unreal to be real is illusion. Are we aware of our existence

during sleep ?. Physical existence is a projection of mind flowing

outwards. I remember reading someone asking Sri Ramana Maharshi how

long it takes for the mind to die. He replied, if someone mistakes a

rope to be snake and then realizes his mistake, How long it took for

the snake to die ?. The answer is none. The snake never existed so it

can't die sooner or later.

 

In my opinion true spirituality/bramachari is one of stops the flow of

outwards mind. We can wander in the forest and give up our work but

our mind will still haunt us. One who quiesce the mind can continue to

live in modern world or jungle. Since he abides at the source he will

be experience bliss of self.

 

I'm new to this group and don't have astrology background to map

spirituality to houses. However, I'm still interested in astrology and

looking for learning from the group. It will take some time to do my

analysis.

 

My 2c.

 

-Ravi.

 

, " Ash " <kas wrote:

>

> Dear Ravi Shankar,

>

>

>

> All that theory is ok, however how does that relate to physical

existence

> and with timing.

>

>

>

> For example, say if a person becomes spiritiual (depends on the

connotation)

> and then he stops doing work, and stops making income.

>

> In that case 10th and 11th house will show something, if he becomes a

> bramachary then again some houses will show that, if he is leaving

his home

> and wandering into woods or to himalaya or something like that then

again

> 4th house along with others will reflect that etc.

>

>

>

> So please translate how Spirituality maps to the various houses and that

> will probably give a more practical approach to analyze a chart.

>

>

>

> Again, there is one post regarding " Siddhi " gained by Krushnaji and

you can

> look that up from the archives and that might give some insight.

>

>

>

> I have written a post on Spirituality and 12th house and 5th house

etc and

> its in the archives, take a look at that. That was a discussion between

> Dadhi and myself.

>

>

>

> Those should help.

>

>

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

>

> On Behalf Of Ravi

Shankar

> Tuesday November 13, 2007 1:01 PM

>

> Re: can someone analyze

spiritual life

> of following person

>

>

>

> Dear Manu,

>

> Essentially " self " means to identify really who are you. The " self "

> which attaches to five senses and projects/believes the world to be

> real is called mind. Mind is restless and always attaches to external

> objects/thoughts which prevents experiencing our true nature.

>

> By contrast the mind which flows inwards to the source (our self)

> will experience the bliss of " self " . " self " and happiness are

> synonyms. It's similar to Sun which always shines in the sky. It does

> not know darkness. Similarly, " self " is essentially our true being

> which is never born or dies and it is blissful always.

>

> I'm just curious whether following person has any interest in

> spirituality and whether he's realized or closer to it. It's a quiz to

> this group.

>

> astrologyandtiminge

> <%40>

vents ,

> " Manu V Batura "

> <astro.manu@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ravi Shankar?

> >

> > How do you define self realization? I am sure if a person is self

> realized

> > (by whatever definition we take), the person himself would surely

> know if he

> > is self realized. Why would we want to know if someone else is self

> > realized?

> >

> > Sorry, too many queries.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> > Manu

> >

> >

> >

> > astrologyandtiminge

> <%40>

vents

> > [astrologyandtiminge

> <%40>

vents ]

> On Behalf Of Ravi

> Shankar

> > Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:58 AM

> > astrologyandtiminge

> <%40>

vents

> > Re: can someone analyze

> spiritual life

> > of following person

> >

> > not sure whether following Lat/Longitude of Madurai, Tamil Nadu, India

> > is correct.

> >

> > just in case you need this.

> >

> > Madurai, TN, India.

> > Latitude 9.58N

> > Longitude 78.10E

> >

> > astrologyandtiminge

> <%40>

vents ,

> " Ravi Shankar "

> > <shankar_ravi_v@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Can someone analyze spiritual life of a male DOB 28Nov1964, 07:32 AM

> > > at Madurai, India. Married 19March 1995 with two kids (girl born

> > > 24Feb03 and boy born 16Mar06). This person has two siblings (one

elder

> > > brother and younger sister). His father passed away when he was

2 yrs

> > > old and mother still alive. This person currently lives abroad since

> > > Nov 1992.

> > > is he self realized ?.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Ash, Manu,Ravi and list, I cant say much about "self-realisation" but i think it is a natural process innerself from poorva-karma.A person may be self- realized after some age or in a early age as we can find many examples in our holy books.Looking from astrological angel,few houses are true reflector of such factors like Ash described. As every house contain many attributes of life,so by experience and knowledge,this can be observed in a chart.I am novice in this as even at this age.Krushnaji had written about this, which i am reproducing as below... "From which house (B) would we look for Siddhi in any matter? GENERALLY 12THAND 2ND HOUSE DEALS WITH SIDDHI. 12TH FOR

FORESIGHT, AND 2ND FOR VACHASIDDHI. SATURN IN 12TH GIVES FORE SIGHT, WITH OUT SELFISHNESS, ( YOU WILLFIND THIS ADVERSE TO GENERAL CONCEPT, AND JUPITER MORE SELFISHNESS) BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. SIDDHI ACHIVED BY JUPITER IS USED FOR SELFISHNESS,BUT NO BODY CAN DETACT IT. EVERY BODY BOWS BEFORE THE PERSON. WITH SATURN THE PERSON BEHAVES WITH SELFISHNESS, BUT NO BODY CAN RECOGNISE HIM, OR ON THE CONTRARY, HE IS SAID TO BE MORE SELFISH. PERSONS GETTING SIDDHI DUE TO JUPITER, MOSTLY HAVE END DUE TO CANCER OF VOCAL ORGAN, TONGUE, THROAT, ORMOUTH. PERSON GETTING SIDDHI DUE TO JUPITER COLLECT MUCH WEALTH. SATURN GIVES MUCH FORE SIGHT, BUT NO DISCIPLES. IT GIVES NO ATTRACTION FOR MONEY.OFCOURSE FOR ACHIVING ANY SIDDHI MUCH CHARGING IS REQUIRED, BY CHANTING MANTRAS, AND OTHER PUJA ETC. AND SHOULD BE RECHARGED IN ECLIPCS TIME. RAHU GIVES NEGATIVE POWER." KRUSHNA Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Ravi Shankar, All that theory is ok, however how does that relate to physical existence and with timing. For example, say if a person becomes spiritiual (depends on the connotation) and then he stops doing work, and stops making income. In that case 10th and 11th house will show something, if he

becomes a bramachary then again some houses will show that, if he is leaving his home and wandering into woods or to himalaya or something like that then again 4th house along with others will reflect that etc. So please translate how Spirituality maps to the various houses and that will probably give a more practical approach to analyze a chart. Again, there is one post regarding

“Siddhi” gained by Krushnaji and you can look that up from the archives and that might give some insight. I have written a post on Spirituality and 12th house and 5th house etc and its in the archives, take a look at that. That was a discussion between Dadhi and myself. Those should help. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ravi ShankarTuesday November 13, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Re: can someone analyze spiritual life of following person Dear Manu,Essentially "self" means to identify really who are you. The "self"which attaches to five senses and projects/believes the world to bereal is called mind. Mind is restless and always attaches to externalobjects/thoughts which prevents experiencing our true nature.By contrast the mind which flows inwards to the source (our self)will experience the bliss of "self". "self" and happiness aresynonyms. It's similar to Sun which always shines in the sky. It doesnot know darkness. Similarly, "self" is essentially our true beingwhich is never born or dies and it is blissful always.I'm just curious whether following person has any interest inspirituality and whether he's realized or closer to it. It's a quiz tothis group. , "Manu V

Batura"<astro.manu wrote:>> Dear Ravi Shankar?> > How do you define self realization? I am sure if a person is selfrealized> (by whatever definition we take), the person himself would surelyknow if he> is self realized. Why would we want to know if someone else is self> realized?> > Sorry, too many queries.> > Thanks & Regards,> Manu> > > > > On Behalf Of RaviShankar> Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:58 AM> > Re: can someone analyzespiritual life> of following person> > not sure whether following Lat/Longitude of Madurai, Tamil Nadu, India> is correct.> > just in case you need this.> > Madurai, TN, India.> Latitude 9.58N> Longitude 78.10E> > , "Ravi Shankar"> <shankar_ravi_v@> wrote:> >> > Can someone analyze spiritual life of a male DOB 28Nov1964, 07:32 AM> > at Madurai, India. Married 19March 1995 with two kids (girl born> > 24Feb03 and boy born

16Mar06). This person has two siblings (one elder> > brother and younger sister). His father passed away when he was 2 yrs> > old and mother still alive. This person currently lives abroad since> > Nov 1992.> > is he self realized ?.> >> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Anup,

 

Fantastic post. Thank you so much for

reproducing it. You seem to be an expert in extracting deep treasures!

 

Thanks & Regards,

Manu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Anup. M

Wednesday, November 14, 2007

9:13 AM

To:

 

RE:

Re: can someone analyze spiritual life of following

person

 

 

 

Dear Ash, Manu,Ravi and list,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I cant say much about " self-realisation " but i think it is a

 

 

natural process innerself from poorva-karma.A person may be self-

 

 

realized after some age or in a early age as we can find many examples

 

 

in our holy books.Looking from astrological angel,few houses are true

reflector

 

 

of such factors like Ash described.

 

 

As every house contain many attributes of life,so by experience and

 

 

knowledge,this can be observed in a chart.I am novice in this as

 

 

even at this age.Krushnaji had written about this, which i am

 

 

reproducing as below...

 

 

 

 

 

" From which house (B) would we look for Siddhi in

any matter? GENERALLY 12TH

AND 2ND HOUSE DEALS WITH SIDDHI. 12TH FOR FORESIGHT, AND 2ND FOR VACHA

SIDDHI. SATURN IN 12TH GIVES FORE SIGHT, WITH OUT SELFISHNESS, ( YOU WILL

FIND THIS ADVERSE TO GENERAL CONCEPT, AND JUPITER MORE SELFISHNESS) BUT THERE

IS A DIFFERENCE. SIDDHI ACHIVED BY JUPITER IS USED FOR SELFISHNESS,BUT NO BODY

CAN DETACT IT. EVERY BODY BOWS BEFORE THE PERSON. WITH SATURN THE PERSON

BEHAVES WITH SELFISHNESS, BUT NO BODY CAN RECOGNISE HIM, OR ON THE CONTRARY, HE

IS SAID TO BE MORE SELFISH. PERSONS GETTING SIDDHI DUE TO JUPITER, MOSTLY HAVE

END DUE TO CANCER OF VOCAL ORGAN, TONGUE, THROAT, OR

MOUTH. PERSON GETTING SIDDHI DUE TO JUPITER COLLECT MUCH WEALTH. SATURN GIVES

MUCH FORE SIGHT, BUT NO DISCIPLES. IT GIVES NO ATTRACTION FOR MONEY.OFCOURSE

FOR ACHIVING ANY SIDDHI MUCH CHARGING IS REQUIRED, BY CHANTING MANTRAS, AND

OTHER PUJA ETC. AND SHOULD BE RECHARGED IN ECLIPCS TIME. RAHU GIVES NEGATIVE

POWER. "

 

 

 

KRUSHNA

 

 

 

 

 

Regards

 

 

Anup

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ash

<kas wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ravi

Shankar,

 

 

All that theory is ok, however how

does that relate to physical existence and with timing.

 

 

For example, say if a person

becomes spiritiual (depends on the connotation) and then he stops doing work,

and stops making income.

 

 

In that case 10th and 11th

house will show something, if he becomes a bramachary then again some houses

will show that, if he is leaving his home and wandering into woods or to

himalaya or something like that then again 4th house along with

others will reflect that etc.

 

 

So please translate how

Spirituality maps to the various houses and that will probably give a more

practical approach to analyze a chart.

 

 

Again, there is one post regarding

“Siddhi” gained by Krushnaji and you can look that up from the

archives and that might give some insight.

 

 

I have written a post on

Spirituality and 12th house and 5th house etc and its in

the archives, take a look at that. That was a discussion between Dadhi

and myself.

 

 

Those should help.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

 

 

 

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Ravi Shankar

Tuesday November 13, 2007

1:01 PM

 

 

Re: can someone analyze spiritual life of following person

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manu,

 

Essentially " self " means to identify really who are you. The

" self "

which attaches to five senses and projects/believes the world to be

real is called mind. Mind is restless and always attaches to external

objects/thoughts which prevents experiencing our true nature.

 

By contrast the mind which flows inwards to the source (our self)

will experience the bliss of " self " . " self " and happiness

are

synonyms. It's similar to Sun which always shines in the sky. It does

not know darkness. Similarly, " self " is essentially our true being

which is never born or dies and it is blissful always.

 

I'm just curious whether following person has any interest in

spirituality and whether he's realized or closer to it. It's a quiz to

this group.

 

,

" Manu V Batura "

<astro.manu wrote:

>

> Dear Ravi Shankar?

>

> How do you define self realization? I am sure if a person is self

realized

> (by whatever definition we take), the person himself would surely

know if he

> is self realized. Why would we want to know if someone else is self

> realized?

>

> Sorry, too many queries.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

> Manu

>

>

>

>

>

On Behalf Of Ravi

Shankar

> Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:58 AM

>

> Re: can someone analyze

spiritual life

> of following person

>

> not sure whether following Lat/Longitude of Madurai,

Tamil Nadu, India

> is correct.

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> just in case you need this.

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> Madurai,

TN, India.

> Latitude 9.58N

> Longitude 78.10E

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> ,

" Ravi Shankar "

> <shankar_ravi_v@> wrote:

> >

> > Can someone analyze spiritual life of a male DOB 28Nov1964, 07:32 AM

> > at Madurai,

India.

Married 19March 1995 with two kids (girl born

> > 24Feb03 and boy born 16Mar06). This person has two siblings (one

elder

> > brother and younger sister). His father passed away when he was 2 yrs

> > old and mother still alive. This person currently lives abroad since

> > Nov 1992.

> > is he self realized ?.

> >

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Dear Manu, I am unable to control my smile. Well every post from Krushnaji is worth and preservable. Now i am doing this for Ash posts too. I always try to reproduce these to all members who cant have much time to go through archives. Regards Anup Manu V Batura <astro.manu wrote: Dear Anup, Fantastic post. Thank you so much for reproducing it. You seem to be an expert in extracting deep treasures! Thanks & Regards, Manu On Behalf Of Anup. MWednesday, November 14, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: RE: Re: can someone analyze spiritual life of following person Dear Ash,

Manu,Ravi and list, I cant say much about "self-realisation" but i think it is a natural process innerself from poorva-karma.A person may be self- realized after some age or in a early age as we can find many

examples in our holy books.Looking from astrological angel,few houses are true reflector of such factors like Ash described. As every house contain many attributes of life,so by experience and knowledge,this can be observed in a chart.I am novice in this as even at this age.Krushnaji had written about this, which i

am reproducing as below... "From which house (B) would we look for Siddhi in any matter? GENERALLY 12THAND 2ND HOUSE DEALS WITH SIDDHI. 12TH FOR FORESIGHT, AND 2ND FOR VACHASIDDHI. SATURN IN 12TH GIVES FORE SIGHT, WITH OUT SELFISHNESS, ( YOU WILLFIND THIS ADVERSE TO GENERAL CONCEPT, AND JUPITER MORE SELFISHNESS) BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. SIDDHI ACHIVED BY JUPITER IS USED FOR SELFISHNESS,BUT NO BODY CAN DETACT IT. EVERY BODY BOWS BEFORE THE PERSON. WITH SATURN THE PERSON BEHAVES WITH SELFISHNESS, BUT NO BODY CAN RECOGNISE HIM, OR ON THE CONTRARY, HE IS SAID TO BE MORE

SELFISH. PERSONS GETTING SIDDHI DUE TO JUPITER, MOSTLY HAVE END DUE TO CANCER OF VOCAL ORGAN, TONGUE, THROAT, ORMOUTH. PERSON GETTING SIDDHI DUE TO JUPITER COLLECT MUCH WEALTH. SATURN GIVES MUCH FORE SIGHT, BUT NO DISCIPLES. IT GIVES NO ATTRACTION FOR MONEY.OFCOURSE FOR ACHIVING ANY SIDDHI MUCH CHARGING IS REQUIRED, BY CHANTING MANTRAS, AND OTHER PUJA ETC. AND SHOULD BE RECHARGED IN ECLIPCS TIME. RAHU GIVES NEGATIVE POWER." KRUSHNA Regards Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Ravi Shankar, All that theory is ok, however how does that relate to physical existence and with timing. For example, say if a person becomes spiritiual (depends on the connotation) and then he stops doing work, and stops making income. In that case 10th and 11th house will show something, if he becomes a bramachary then again some houses will show that, if he is leaving his home and wandering into woods or to himalaya or something like that then again 4th house along with others will reflect that etc. So please translate how Spirituality maps to the various houses and that will probably

give a more practical approach to analyze a chart. Again, there is one post regarding “Siddhi” gained by Krushnaji and you can look that up from the archives and that might give some insight. I have written a post on Spirituality and 12th house and 5th house etc and its in the archives, take a look at that. That was a discussion between Dadhi and myself. Those should help. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ravi ShankarTuesday November 13, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Re: can someone analyze spiritual life of following person Dear Manu,Essentially "self" means to identify really who are you. The "self"which attaches to five senses and projects/believes

the world to bereal is called mind. Mind is restless and always attaches to externalobjects/thoughts which prevents experiencing our true nature.By contrast the mind which flows inwards to the source (our self)will experience the bliss of "self". "self" and happiness aresynonyms. It's similar to Sun which always shines in the sky. It doesnot know darkness. Similarly, "self" is essentially our true beingwhich is never born or dies and it is blissful always.I'm just curious whether following person has any interest inspirituality and whether he's realized or closer to it. It's a quiz tothis group. , "Manu V Batura"<astro.manu wrote:>> Dear Ravi Shankar?> > How do you define self realization? I am sure if a person is

selfrealized> (by whatever definition we take), the person himself would surelyknow if he> is self realized. Why would we want to know if someone else is self> realized?> > Sorry, too many queries.> > Thanks & Regards,> Manu> > > > > On Behalf Of RaviShankar> Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:58 AM> > Re: can someone analyzespiritual life> of following person> > not sure whether following

Lat/Longitude of Madurai, Tamil Nadu, India> is correct.> > just in case you need this.> > Madurai, TN, India.> Latitude 9.58N> Longitude 78.10E> > , "Ravi Shankar"> <shankar_ravi_v@> wrote:> >> > Can someone analyze spiritual life of a male DOB 28Nov1964, 07:32 AM> > at Madurai, India. Married 19March 1995 with two kids (girl born> > 24Feb03 and boy born 16Mar06). This person has two siblings (one elder> > brother and younger sister). His father passed away when he was 2 yrs> > old and mother still

alive. This person currently lives abroad since> > Nov 1992.> > is he self realized ?.> >> > > > > >