Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Hello Krushnaji, Ash, I had a question regarding samdharmi concept. I will put this forward using an example. Let us assume Me is placed in 10th from Sa. Me has > 4 points and Sa has < 4 points. Hence, Sa opposes Me. Now, let us say Sa is placed in navamsa of Me. Hence, Sa is SD to Me. So, in above case Sa is SD to Me and also opposes Me. These are contradictory relations. So, how will the effect of such a pattern manifest itself? What will be the expected behavior of Sa in it’s antardasha? Thanks & Regards, Manu Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release 11/22/2007 6:55 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Dear Manu, i wld like to ask similar question. Suppose, Ketu in Capri with Saturn(with >4 points) and in nakshatra of Moon. So ketu represents Saturn and Moon. Moon in Cancer with 4 points. So Saturn aspects malefically Moon,and opposes Moon. In such case,Can Ketu antra skip without giving any event, If it's turn comes. Regards Anup Manu V Batura <astro.manu wrote: Hello Krushnaji, Ash, I had a question regarding samdharmi concept. I will put this forward using an example. Let us assume Me is placed in 10th from Sa. Me has > 4 points and Sa has < 4 points. Hence, Sa opposes Me. Now, let us say Sa is placed in navamsa of Me. Hence, Sa is SD to Me. So, in above case Sa is SD to Me and also opposes Me. These are contradictory relations. So, how will the effect of such a pattern manifest itself? What will be the expected behavior of Sa in it’s antardasha? Thanks & Regards, Manu Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release 11/22/2007 6:55 PM Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Dear Anup, Very interesting question. I will try to answer as per my understanding. Krushnaji/Ash can correct me in case I err. Ke is conjunct Sa in Cap and in opposition to Mo. It is SD to sa and mo. In such case Ke will be more SD to planet with more bindus. It does not matter if the planet is in opposition to Ke or if Sa and Mo are in opposition. Now, it depends on behavior of Sa and Moon for giving the event. Let us assume tau is the lagna, so for 6th house, mo is very eager to give the event since it is placed in D with > 4 points as well as LoD. Sa aspects 6th house malefically hence spoils the results. So, in such cases you need to check if ke is more like sa or more like mo. In any case the effect of sa and mo in opposition will reduce the results of Ke, but I don’t think it will deny ke from giving events. Timing and quality are different, here quality will be effected, but timing may still happen. If you have any chart where ke has not given event in above case it will help for analysis and correcting my understanding. This is my current understanding. I hope it helps. Thanks & Regards, Manu On Behalf Of Anup. M Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:07 PM To: Re: Samdharmi query Dear Manu, i wld like to ask similar question. Suppose, Ketu in Capri with Saturn(with >4 points) and in nakshatra of Moon. So ketu represents Saturn and Moon. Moon in Cancer with 4 points. So Saturn aspects malefically Moon,and opposes Moon. In such case,Can Ketu antra skip without giving any event, If it's turn comes. Regards Anup Manu V Batura <astro.manu wrote: Hello Krushnaji, Ash, I had a question regarding samdharmi concept. I will put this forward using an example. Let us assume Me is placed in 10th from Sa. Me has > 4 points and Sa has < 4 points. Hence, Sa opposes Me. Now, let us say Sa is placed in navamsa of Me. Hence, Sa is SD to Me. So, in above case Sa is SD to Me and also opposes Me. These are contradictory relations. So, how will the effect of such a pattern manifest itself? What will be the expected behavior of Sa in it’s antardasha? Thanks & Regards, Manu Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release 11/22/2007 6:55 PM Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1158 - Release 11/28/2007 9:11 PM Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1158 - Release 11/28/2007 9:11 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Dear Ash, Here are two mails by Manu and me comprising two different queries.Hope you can get both of these one by one. Regards Anup Manu V Batura <astro.manu wrote: Dear Anup, Very interesting question. I will try to answer as per my understanding. Krushnaji/Ash can correct me in case I err. Ke is conjunct Sa in Cap and in opposition to Mo. It is SD to sa and mo. In such case Ke will be more SD to planet with more bindus. It does not matter if the planet is in opposition to Ke or if Sa and Mo are in opposition. Now, it depends on behavior of Sa and Moon for giving the event. Let us assume tau is the lagna, so for 6th house, mo is very eager to give the event since it is placed in D with > 4 points as well as LoD. Sa aspects 6th house malefically hence spoils the results. So, in such cases you need to check if ke is more like sa or more like mo. In any case the effect of sa and mo in opposition will reduce the results of Ke, but I don’t think it will deny ke from giving events. Timing and quality are different, here quality will be effected, but timing may still happen. If you have any chart where ke has not given event in above case it will help for analysis and correcting my understanding. This is my current understanding. I hope it helps. Thanks & Regards, Manu On Behalf Of Anup. MThursday, November 29, 2007 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Samdharmi query Dear Manu, i wld like to ask similar question. Suppose, Ketu in Capri with Saturn(with >4 points) and in nakshatra of Moon. So ketu represents Saturn and Moon. Moon in Cancer with 4 points. So Saturn aspects malefically Moon,and opposes Moon. In such case,Can Ketu antra skip without giving any event, If it's turn comes. Regards Anup Manu V Batura <astro.manu > wrote: Hello Krushnaji, Ash, I had a question regarding samdharmi concept. I will put this forward using an example. Let us assume Me is placed in 10th from Sa. Me has > 4 points and Sa has < 4 points. Hence, Sa opposes Me. Now, let us say Sa is placed in navamsa of Me. Hence, Sa is SD to Me. So, in above case Sa is SD to Me and also opposes Me. These are contradictory relations. So, how will the effect of such a pattern manifest itself? What will be the expected behavior of Sa in it’s antardasha? Thanks & Regards, Manu Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release 11/22/2007 6:55 PM Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1158 - Release 11/28/2007 9:11 PM Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1158 - Release 11/28/2007 9:11 PM Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Dear Manu, There are 2 different things involved. 1) Sa will oppose Me 2) Sa is SD to Me Here you will have to study the power of planets in the WS. Assume that there is a planet with less than 4 bindus in 7th from Me. So that planet will give power to Me and make it very strong. In that case, Sa will oppose Me but the WS power of Me is very high so there might be temporary issues however for 10th house, lets say Me is unable to give the result due to the fact that its aspecting 10th house so in that case Sa will step in for Mercury. Yes, in this case Sa will be in 7th house with more than 4 bindus so again its eager to give 10th house result. Mostly when points are low in the WS for our example take Mercury then Saturn will oppose it and this opposition will be based on the karaktwa denoted by Sa. If the points are high for Mercury then things are a big different and here by high points I mean in the WS for all 12 houses. Let some example come or if u have any example we can study the same. Good question. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Manu V Batura Friday November 23, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Samdharmi query Hello Krushnaji, Ash, I had a question regarding samdharmi concept. I will put this forward using an example. Let us assume Me is placed in 10th from Sa. Me has > 4 points and Sa has < 4 points. Hence, Sa opposes Me. Now, let us say Sa is placed in navamsa of Me. Hence, Sa is SD to Me. So, in above case Sa is SD to Me and also opposes Me. These are contradictory relations. So, how will the effect of such a pattern manifest itself? What will be the expected behavior of Sa in it’s antardasha? Thanks & Regards, Manu No virus found in this outgoing message. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release 11/22/2007 6:55 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Dear Anup, I have replied to Manu’s question just now. If Ketu is SD to Sa and mo and both Sa and Mo are in 1:7 then Ketu represents both. He will be more inclined toward the planet having more power in SAV. As far as timing of event is concerened then the WS will already take into effect the reduction or gain in power from both the planets. Let me explain. If Mo is with 5 bindus and Sa is with 3 bindus then Mo will remove power from Sa in the WS and Sa will add power in the WS to Mo. Now assume Ketu is more like Mo then it will go based on mo’s power in the WS which already has taken into effect the power added by Sa. If Ke is more like Sa then Sa’s power will be reduced in the WS so its result will be like Sa and it might give more difficult result, assuming there is no other benefic aspect of any other planet on Sa taking its points up. If both are equal then the result will be mixed. Anup, in such cases, when you get stuck, break up your question in your mind into smaller pieces and think logically, and I think u can answer most of the questions. Good question. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Anup. M Thursday December 6, 2007 12:37 PM RE: Samdharmi query Dear Ash, Here are two mails by Manu and me comprising two different queries.Hope you can get both of these one by one. Regards Anup Manu V Batura <astro.manu > wrote: Dear Anup, Very interesting question. I will try to answer as per my understanding. Krushnaji/Ash can correct me in case I err. Ke is conjunct Sa in Cap and in opposition to Mo. It is SD to sa and mo. In such case Ke will be more SD to planet with more bindus. It does not matter if the planet is in opposition to Ke or if Sa and Mo are in opposition. Now, it depends on behavior of Sa and Moon for giving the event. Let us assume tau is the lagna, so for 6th house, mo is very eager to give the event since it is placed in D with > 4 points as well as LoD. Sa aspects 6th house malefically hence spoils the results. So, in such cases you need to check if ke is more like sa or more like mo. In any case the effect of sa and mo in opposition will reduce the results of Ke, but I don’t think it will deny ke from giving events. Timing and quality are different, here quality will be effected, but timing may still happen. If you have any chart where ke has not given event in above case it will help for analysis and correcting my understanding. This is my current understanding. I hope it helps. Thanks & Regards, Manu size=2 width="100%" align=center tabIndex=-1> On Behalf Of Anup. M Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:07 PM Re: Samdharmi query Dear Manu, i wld like to ask similar question. Suppose, Ketu in Capri with Saturn(with >4 points) and in nakshatra of Moon. So ketu represents Saturn and Moon. Moon in Cancer with 4 points. So Saturn aspects malefically Moon,and opposes Moon. In such case,Can Ketu antra skip without giving any event, If it's turn comes. Regards Anup Manu V Batura <astro.manu > wrote: Hello Krushnaji, Ash, I had a question regarding samdharmi concept. I will put this forward using an example. Let us assume Me is placed in 10th from Sa. Me has > 4 points and Sa has < 4 points. Hence, Sa opposes Me. Now, let us say Sa is placed in navamsa of Me. Hence, Sa is SD to Me. So, in above case Sa is SD to Me and also opposes Me. These are contradictory relations. So, how will the effect of such a pattern manifest itself? What will be the expected behavior of Sa in it’s antardasha? Thanks & Regards, Manu Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release 11/22/2007 6:55 PM Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1158 - Release 11/28/2007 9:11 PM Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1158 - Release 11/28/2007 9:11 PM Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Dear Ash, Thankyou very much for replying both the queries. These are basics and mind sld be clear in getting in these all. Well explained. Thanks & Regards, Anup Ash <kas wrote: Dear Anup, I have replied to Manu’s question just now. If Ketu is SD to Sa and mo and both Sa and Mo are in 1:7 then Ketu represents both. He will be more inclined toward the planet having more power in SAV. As far as timing of event is concerened then the WS will already take into effect the reduction or gain in power from both the planets. Let me explain. If Mo is with 5 bindus and Sa is with 3 bindus then Mo will remove power from Sa in the WS and Sa will add power in the WS to Mo. Now assume Ketu is more like Mo then it will go based on mo’s power in the WS which already has taken into effect the power added by Sa. If Ke is more like Sa then Sa’s power will be reduced in the WS so its result will be like Sa and it might give more difficult result, assuming there is no other benefic aspect of any other planet on Sa taking its points up. If both are equal then the result will be mixed. Anup, in such cases, when you get stuck, break up your question in your mind into smaller pieces and think logically, and I think u can answer most of the questions. Good question. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Anup. MThursday December 6, 2007 12:37 PMTo: Subject: RE: Samdharmi query Dear Ash, Here are two mails by Manu and me comprising two different queries.Hope you can get both of these one by one. Regards Anup Manu V Batura <astro.manu > wrote: Dear Anup, Very interesting question. I will try to answer as per my understanding. Krushnaji/Ash can correct me in case I err. Ke is conjunct Sa in Cap and in opposition to Mo. It is SD to sa and mo. In such case Ke will be more SD to planet with more bindus. It does not matter if the planet is in opposition to Ke or if Sa and Mo are in opposition. Now, it depends on behavior of Sa and Moon for giving the event. Let us assume tau is the lagna, so for 6th house, mo is very eager to give the event since it is placed in D with > 4 points as well as LoD. Sa aspects 6th house malefically hence spoils the results. So, in such cases you need to check if ke is more like sa or more like mo. In any case the effect of sa and mo in opposition will reduce the results of Ke, but I don’t think it will deny ke from giving events. Timing and quality are different, here quality will be effected, but timing may still happen. If you have any chart where ke has not given event in above case it will help for analysis and correcting my understanding. This is my current understanding. I hope it helps. Thanks & Regards, Manu size=2 width="100%" align=center tabIndex=-1> On Behalf Of Anup. MThursday, November 29, 2007 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Samdharmi query Dear Manu, i wld like to ask similar question. Suppose, Ketu in Capri with Saturn(with >4 points) and in nakshatra of Moon. So ketu represents Saturn and Moon. Moon in Cancer with 4 points. So Saturn aspects malefically Moon,and opposes Moon. In such case,Can Ketu antra skip without giving any event, If it's turn comes. Regards Anup Manu V Batura <astro.manu > wrote: Hello Krushnaji, Ash, I had a question regarding samdharmi concept. I will put this forward using an example. Let us assume Me is placed in 10th from Sa. Me has > 4 points and Sa has < 4 points. Hence, Sa opposes Me. Now, let us say Sa is placed in navamsa of Me. Hence, Sa is SD to Me. So, in above case Sa is SD to Me and also opposes Me. These are contradictory relations. So, how will the effect of such a pattern manifest itself? What will be the expected behavior of Sa in it’s antardasha? Thanks & Regards, Manu Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release 11/22/2007 6:55 PM Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1158 - Release 11/28/2007 9:11 PM Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1158 - Release 11/28/2007 9:11 PM Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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