Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Dear Ash, How is 2nd and 11th house treated in KAS? 2nd is Dhana sthaan and 11th is labha sthaan. I am looking at a horoscope that has shani-rahu dasha running and next dasha will be shani-guru. Guru has high points in a ll houses except 8th and 11th. However has over 30 points in WS for 2nd house. Guru is also 2nd and 11th lord ( Kumbha lagna). In traditonal VA, 11th lord is considered malefic. The guru in the horoscope is in the 12 th house in KAS but late degrres of Sagi with Lahiri in 11th house. Guru is with moon the sixth lord in navansha. The question pertains to buying/investment etc. From VA standpoint guru antara will not be good. From KAS standpoint also dasha of 2nd lord should be cause for worries and in my opinion the investment should be avoided. Question is how does KAS treat 2nd and 11th house from standpoint of gains/money. Guru has hogh points for 5th so if one treats this a speculation it can be percieved as good, but I beleive 2nd lordship of guru should trump. If any of the learned members want to comment on this the data is 17 Mar 1937, 5:28 AM 73 E51, 18N 31 Thanks The data is --- " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: ______________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Dear SPK, I still recall once Ash has explained this in past which i am reproducing for yout refernce as i dont remember amil number. Hope this will help u understand a little. "Acutally the key word is not bribe its not to misplay with money. Now 2nd house is important as it denotes wealth. 8th house is unearned wealth. In charts which have more planets in 2nd house, such persons must not go for easy money such as speculation or taking bribes like that to make a quick buck. Study some charts, in due course of time, keeping this law in mind. Now if planet is there with more than 4 bindus then its aspect on 8th house will be malefic subject to condition. In such a case ,there are 2 sides of the coin, 1st is the basics i.e. one is for timing of event and the other is quality. Now say if 1st lord is in 2nd with more bindus, then it means LoE for 8th house, is in 2nd house means wealth, so such a person might make a lot of money (timing of event) if the native tries to speculate but at the same time, he might loose it all in 2nd lords antra or SD to 2nd lord. Its getting hard for me as so many scenarios are flashing in my mind, and those are just following the basics. So best way is to first make the basics strong and then such things will automatically come to you Jagdish. But one thing, keep such charts in mind. Now u asked about bribes, then do not think like that. In general one should not misplay with money, or others money or go for easy speculation or making a quick buck if u know " Regards Anup SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Dear Ash,How is 2nd and 11th house treated in KAS?2nd is Dhana sthaan and 11th is labha sthaan.I am looking at a horoscope that has shani-rahu dasharunning and next dasha will be shani-guru. Guru hashigh points in a ll houses except 8th and 11th.However has over 30 points in WS for 2nd house.Guru is also 2nd and 11th lord ( Kumbha lagna). Intraditonal VA, 11th lord is considered malefic. Theguru in the horoscope is in the 12 th house in KAS butlate degrres of Sagi with Lahiri in 11th house. Guruis with moon the sixth lord in navansha.The question pertains to buying/investment etc. FromVA standpoint guru antara will not be good. From KASstandpoint also dasha of 2nd lord should be cause forworries and in my opinion the investment should beavoided.Question is how does KAS treat 2nd and 11th house fromstandpoint of gains/money. Guru has hogh points for5th so if one treats this a speculation it can bepercieved as good, but I beleive 2nd lordship of gurushould trump.If any of the learned members want to comment on thisthe data is 17 Mar 1937, 5:28 AM 73 E51, 18N 31ThanksThe data is --- "Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca" <kas wrote:________Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Thanks Anup, The question was not about bribes. The real question is about 2nd and 11th house. How does KAS treat 11th house. In traditional VA 11th lord dasha is considered malefic. The 2nd lord dasha has a maraka taint but gives results according to association. In KAS 2nd lord dasha is considered to be a headache. If the person has good points for Guru in this case for 2nd huse but low points for 11th house ( as it happens in this case also 8th house). How will the antara traspire? Thanks Satish --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > Dear SPK, > > > I still recall once Ash has explained this in past > which i am > reproducing for yout refernce as i dont remember > amil number. > Hope this will help u understand a little. > > > " Acutally the key word is not bribe its not to > misplay with money. Now > 2nd house is important as it denotes wealth. 8th > house is unearned > wealth. In charts which have more planets in 2nd > house, such persons > must not go for easy money such as speculation or > taking bribes like > that to make a quick buck. > Study some charts, in due course of time, keeping > this law in mind. > > Now if planet is there with more than 4 bindus then > its aspect on 8th > house will be malefic subject to condition. In such > a case ,there are > 2 sides of the coin, 1st is the basics i.e. one is > for timing of event > and the other is quality. > Now say if 1st lord is in 2nd with more bindus, > then it means LoE for > 8th house, is in 2nd house means wealth, so such a > person might make a > lot of money (timing of event) if the native tries > to speculate but at > the same time, he might loose it all in 2nd lords > antra or SD to 2nd > lord. > > Its getting hard for me as so many scenarios are > flashing in my mind, > and those are just following the basics. So best > way is to first make > the basics strong and then such things will > automatically come to you > Jagdish. > > But one thing, keep such charts in mind. > > Now u asked about bribes, then do not think like > that. In general one > should not misplay with money, or others money or > go for easy > speculation or making a quick buck if u know " > > > Regards > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Dear Ash, > > How is 2nd and 11th house treated in KAS? > > 2nd is Dhana sthaan and 11th is labha sthaan. > > I am looking at a horoscope that has shani-rahu > dasha > running and next dasha will be shani-guru. Guru has > high points in a ll houses except 8th and 11th. > However has over 30 points in WS for 2nd house. > > Guru is also 2nd and 11th lord ( Kumbha lagna). In > traditonal VA, 11th lord is considered malefic. The > guru in the horoscope is in the 12 th house in KAS > but > late degrres of Sagi with Lahiri in 11th house. Guru > is with moon the sixth lord in navansha. > > The question pertains to buying/investment etc. From > VA standpoint guru antara will not be good. From KAS > standpoint also dasha of 2nd lord should be cause > for > worries and in my opinion the investment should be > avoided. > > Question is how does KAS treat 2nd and 11th house > from > standpoint of gains/money. Guru has hogh points for > 5th so if one treats this a speculation it can be > percieved as good, but I beleive 2nd lordship of > guru > should trump. > > If any of the learned members want to comment on > this > > the data is 17 Mar 1937, 5:28 AM 73 E51, 18N 31 > > Thanks > > The data is > --- " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > ________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. Try it now. ______________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Dear Satish, Why is the 11th lord dasha considered malefic and is it for all events of life? Is traditionally 11th lord dasha considered malefic for all the house for which its upachaya also such as 6th, 11th itself, 7th, 2nd and 4th house results? If you are going by Vedic then in Vedic its also given that upachaya is the house of growth, heap and prosperity then if u use vedic then u must also use all the parameters? KAS is not different from Vedic so I would like to understand this basic as to why is 11th house considered malefic. Once we understand that then we can proceed, because the basics of KAS is based on upachaya and that is given in VA also. Satish, otherwise what will happen is that we will be talking 2 different languages and the basic of 2nd house and 11th house will be lost. So please explain to me why is 11th lord dasha considered malefic and is it a blanket statement or are there any exceptions and if there are then what are they so we should cover it from all angles. I would also request Gopal to take part in this as he is also following traditional astrology so that way we can get to the root of it. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of SPK Saturday March 22, 2008 8:15 AM Re: 2nd and 11th house Thanks Anup, The question was not about bribes. The real question is about 2nd and 11th house. How does KAS treat 11th house. In traditional VA 11th lord dasha is considered malefic. The 2nd lord dasha has a maraka taint but gives results according to association. In KAS 2nd lord dasha is considered to be a headache. If the person has good points for Guru in this case for 2nd huse but low points for 11th house ( as it happens in this case also 8th house). How will the antara traspire? Thanks Satish --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1 > wrote: > Dear SPK, > > > I still recall once Ash has explained this in past > which i am > reproducing for yout refernce as i dont remember > amil number. > Hope this will help u understand a little. > > > " Acutally the key word is not bribe its not to > misplay with money. Now > 2nd house is important as it denotes wealth. 8th > house is unearned > wealth. In charts which have more planets in 2nd > house, such persons > must not go for easy money such as speculation or > taking bribes like > that to make a quick buck. > Study some charts, in due course of time, keeping > this law in mind. > > Now if planet is there with more than 4 bindus then > its aspect on 8th > house will be malefic subject to condition. In such > a case ,there are > 2 sides of the coin, 1st is the basics i.e. one is > for timing of event > and the other is quality. > Now say if 1st lord is in 2nd with more bindus, > then it means LoE for > 8th house, is in 2nd house means wealth, so such a > person might make a > lot of money (timing of event) if the native tries > to speculate but at > the same time, he might loose it all in 2nd lords > antra or SD to 2nd > lord. > > Its getting hard for me as so many scenarios are > flashing in my mind, > and those are just following the basics. So best > way is to first make > the basics strong and then such things will > automatically come to you > Jagdish. > > But one thing, keep such charts in mind. > > Now u asked about bribes, then do not think like > that. In general one > should not misplay with money, or others money or > go for easy > speculation or making a quick buck if u know " > > > Regards > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote: > Dear Ash, > > How is 2nd and 11th house treated in KAS? > > 2nd is Dhana sthaan and 11th is labha sthaan. > > I am looking at a horoscope that has shani-rahu > dasha > running and next dasha will be shani-guru. Guru has > high points in a ll houses except 8th and 11th. > However has over 30 points in WS for 2nd house. > > Guru is also 2nd and 11th lord ( Kumbha lagna). In > traditonal VA, 11th lord is considered malefic. The > guru in the horoscope is in the 12 th house in KAS > but > late degrres of Sagi with Lahiri in 11th house. Guru > is with moon the sixth lord in navansha. > > The question pertains to buying/investment etc. From > VA standpoint guru antara will not be good. From KAS > standpoint also dasha of 2nd lord should be cause > for > worries and in my opinion the investment should be > avoided. > > Question is how does KAS treat 2nd and 11th house > from > standpoint of gains/money. Guru has hogh points for > 5th so if one treats this a speculation it can be > percieved as good, but I beleive 2nd lordship of > guru > should trump. > > If any of the learned members want to comment on > this > > the data is 17 Mar 1937, 5:28 AM 73 E51, 18N 31 > > Thanks > > The data is > --- " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca " <kas wrote: > > ________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. Try it now. ________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Dear Ash, The main reason I see is that the 11th lord can never be a friend of the lagna lord. 3,6, and 11th lords are malefic as they are unfriendly to the lagna lord. The trines will be invariably friendly to lagna lord.(There are a few exceptions as for kanya lagna shani is 5th and 6th lord so a benefic and a malefic of the same order.) There other nuances but for most part this holds true. Thats why 11th lord is malefic. 2nd and 12th lord is considered neutral and gives results as per association. This is a s per Laghu Parashari. The trines especially 9th lord can never be unfriendly to the lagna lord so is benefic. Satish --- " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > Dear Satish, > > > > Why is the 11th lord dasha considered malefic and is > it for all events of > life? > > > > Is traditionally 11th lord dasha considered malefic > for all the house for > which its upachaya also such as 6th, 11th itself, > 7th, 2nd and 4th house > results? > > > > If you are going by Vedic then in Vedic its also > given that upachaya is the > house of growth, heap and prosperity then if u use > vedic then u must also > use all the parameters? > > > > KAS is not different from Vedic so I would like to > understand this basic as > to why is 11th house considered malefic. > > > > Once we understand that then we can proceed, because > the basics of KAS is > based on upachaya and that is given in VA also. > > > > Satish, otherwise what will happen is that we will > be talking 2 different > languages and the basic of 2nd house and 11th house > will be lost. > > > > So please explain to me why is 11th lord dasha > considered malefic and is it > a blanket statement or are there any exceptions and > if there are then what > are they so we should cover it from all angles. > > > > I would also request Gopal to take part in this as > he is also following > traditional astrology so that way we can get to the > root of it. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On > Behalf Of SPK > Saturday March 22, 2008 8:15 AM > > Re: 2nd and 11th > house > > > > Thanks Anup, > > The question was not about bribes. The real question > is about 2nd and 11th house. How does KAS treat 11th > house. In traditional VA 11th lord dasha is > considered > malefic. The 2nd lord dasha has a maraka taint but > gives results according to association. In KAS 2nd > lord dasha is considered to be a headache. If the > person has good points for Guru in this case for 2nd > huse but low points for 11th house ( as it happens > in > this case also 8th house). How will the antara > traspire? > > Thanks > > Satish > --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1 (AT) (DOT) > <dalh_1%40> com> wrote: > > > Dear SPK, > > > > > > I still recall once Ash has explained this in past > > which i am > > reproducing for yout refernce as i dont remember > > amil number. > > Hope this will help u understand a little. > > > > > > " Acutally the key word is not bribe its not to > > misplay with money. Now > > 2nd house is important as it denotes wealth. 8th > > house is unearned > > wealth. In charts which have more planets in 2nd > > house, such persons > > must not go for easy money such as speculation or > > taking bribes like > > that to make a quick buck. > > Study some charts, in due course of time, keeping > > this law in mind. > > > > Now if planet is there with more than 4 bindus > then > > its aspect on 8th > > house will be malefic subject to condition. In > such > > a case ,there are > > 2 sides of the coin, 1st is the basics i.e. one is > > for timing of event > > and the other is quality. > > Now say if 1st lord is in 2nd with more bindus, > > then it means LoE for > > 8th house, is in 2nd house means wealth, so such a > > person might make a > > lot of money (timing of event) if the native tries > > to speculate but at > > the same time, he might loose it all in 2nd lords > > antra or SD to 2nd > > lord. > > > > Its getting hard for me as so many scenarios are > > flashing in my mind, > > and those are just following the basics. So best > > way is to first make > > the basics strong and then such things will > > automatically come to you > > Jagdish. > > > > But one thing, keep such charts in mind. > > > > Now u asked about bribes, then do not think like > > that. In general one > > should not misplay with money, or others money or > > go for easy > > speculation or making a quick buck if u know " > > > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@ > <aquaris_rising%40> > > wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > How is 2nd and 11th house treated in KAS? > > > > 2nd is Dhana sthaan and 11th is labha sthaan. > > > > I am looking at a horoscope that has shani-rahu > > dasha > > running and next dasha will be shani-guru. Guru > has > > high points in a ll houses except 8th and 11th. > > However has over 30 points in WS for 2nd house. > > > > Guru is also 2nd and 11th lord ( Kumbha lagna). In > > traditonal VA, 11th lord is considered malefic. > The > > guru in the horoscope is in the 12 th house in KAS > > but > > late degrres of Sagi with Lahiri in 11th house. > Guru > > is with moon the sixth lord in navansha. > > > > The question pertains to buying/investment etc. > From > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Dear Satish, In VA its given that upachaya is house house of growth. So for 1st house, 11th house is 11th so upachaya. So what to agree on? Is the definition of upachaya wrong or is it that approach that 11th lord is not friendly to 1st lord not correct? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of SPK Saturday March 22, 2008 12:40 PM RE: 2nd and 11th house Dear Ash, The main reason I see is that the 11th lord can never be a friend of the lagna lord. 3,6, and 11th lords are malefic as they are unfriendly to the lagna lord. The trines will be invariably friendly to lagna lord.(There are a few exceptions as for kanya lagna shani is 5th and 6th lord so a benefic and a malefic of the same order.) There other nuances but for most part this holds true. Thats why 11th lord is malefic. 2nd and 12th lord is considered neutral and gives results as per association. This is a s per Laghu Parashari. The trines especially 9th lord can never be unfriendly to the lagna lord so is benefic. Satish --- " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca " <kas wrote: > Dear Satish, > > > > Why is the 11th lord dasha considered malefic and is > it for all events of > life? > > > > Is traditionally 11th lord dasha considered malefic > for all the house for > which its upachaya also such as 6th, 11th itself, > 7th, 2nd and 4th house > results? > > > > If you are going by Vedic then in Vedic its also > given that upachaya is the > house of growth, heap and prosperity then if u use > vedic then u must also > use all the parameters? > > > > KAS is not different from Vedic so I would like to > understand this basic as > to why is 11th house considered malefic. > > > > Once we understand that then we can proceed, because > the basics of KAS is > based on upachaya and that is given in VA also. > > > > Satish, otherwise what will happen is that we will > be talking 2 different > languages and the basic of 2nd house and 11th house > will be lost. > > > > So please explain to me why is 11th lord dasha > considered malefic and is it > a blanket statement or are there any exceptions and > if there are then what > are they so we should cover it from all angles. > > > > I would also request Gopal to take part in this as > he is also following > traditional astrology so that way we can get to the > root of it. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On > Behalf Of SPK > Saturday March 22, 2008 8:15 AM > > Re: 2nd and 11th > house > > > > Thanks Anup, > > The question was not about bribes. The real question > is about 2nd and 11th house. How does KAS treat 11th > house. In traditional VA 11th lord dasha is > considered > malefic. The 2nd lord dasha has a maraka taint but > gives results according to association. In KAS 2nd > lord dasha is considered to be a headache. If the > person has good points for Guru in this case for 2nd > huse but low points for 11th house ( as it happens > in > this case also 8th house). How will the antara > traspire? > > Thanks > > Satish > --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1 (AT) (DOT) > <dalh_1%40> com> wrote: > > > Dear SPK, > > > > > > I still recall once Ash has explained this in past > > which i am > > reproducing for yout refernce as i dont remember > > amil number. > > Hope this will help u understand a little. > > > > > > " Acutally the key word is not bribe its not to > > misplay with money. Now > > 2nd house is important as it denotes wealth. 8th > > house is unearned > > wealth. In charts which have more planets in 2nd > > house, such persons > > must not go for easy money such as speculation or > > taking bribes like > > that to make a quick buck. > > Study some charts, in due course of time, keeping > > this law in mind. > > > > Now if planet is there with more than 4 bindus > then > > its aspect on 8th > > house will be malefic subject to condition. In > such > > a case ,there are > > 2 sides of the coin, 1st is the basics i.e. one is > > for timing of event > > and the other is quality. > > Now say if 1st lord is in 2nd with more bindus, > > then it means LoE for > > 8th house, is in 2nd house means wealth, so such a > > person might make a > > lot of money (timing of event) if the native tries > > to speculate but at > > the same time, he might loose it all in 2nd lords > > antra or SD to 2nd > > lord. > > > > Its getting hard for me as so many scenarios are > > flashing in my mind, > > and those are just following the basics. So best > > way is to first make > > the basics strong and then such things will > > automatically come to you > > Jagdish. > > > > But one thing, keep such charts in mind. > > > > Now u asked about bribes, then do not think like > > that. In general one > > should not misplay with money, or others money or > > go for easy > > speculation or making a quick buck if u know " > > > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK <aquaris_rising@ > <aquaris_rising%40> > > wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > How is 2nd and 11th house treated in KAS? > > > > 2nd is Dhana sthaan and 11th is labha sthaan. > > > > I am looking at a horoscope that has shani-rahu > > dasha > > running and next dasha will be shani-guru. Guru > has > > high points in a ll houses except 8th and 11th. > > However has over 30 points in WS for 2nd house. > > > > Guru is also 2nd and 11th lord ( Kumbha lagna). In > > traditonal VA, 11th lord is considered malefic. > The > > guru in the horoscope is in the 12 th house in KAS > > but > > late degrres of Sagi with Lahiri in 11th house. > Guru > > is with moon the sixth lord in navansha. > > > > The question pertains to buying/investment etc. > From > === message truncated === ________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Dear Satish and Ash, Sorry to jump in with my two cents... 11th lord is per standard VA certainly malefic, but mostly regarding longevity and yogas (specifically raja yogas in Laghu Parashari). However, yogas in KAS are taken care from another perspective. Since upachayas are cornestones of KAS, I would say for 11th that it is positive, Krushnaji mentioned somewhere (in archives) that 2nd lord antra has also positive sides/effects. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Dear Ash, That is the crux of the question. 6th house is also upachaya house for 1st. But it is treated as house of disease/debt etc. in VA. 6th house in KAS is also teated as malefic. Yesit is more so for 7th as B, but in general also it is treated as bad and 6th lord is treated as malefic. Am I correct in this or is 6th lord bad only for matters of 7th house ? Thanks Satish --- " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > Dear Satish, > > > > In VA its given that upachaya is house house of > growth. So for 1st house, > 11th house is 11th so upachaya. > > > > So what to agree on? > > > > Is the definition of upachaya wrong or is it that > approach that 11th lord is > not friendly to 1st lord not correct? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On > Behalf Of SPK > Saturday March 22, 2008 12:40 PM > > RE: 2nd and 11th > house > > > > Dear Ash, > > The main reason I see is that the 11th lord can > never > be a friend of the lagna lord. 3,6, and 11th lords > are > malefic as they are unfriendly to the lagna lord. > The > trines will be invariably friendly to lagna > lord.(There are a few exceptions as for kanya lagna > shani is 5th and 6th lord so a benefic and a malefic > of the same order.) > > There other nuances but for most part this holds > true. > Thats why 11th lord is malefic. > > 2nd and 12th lord is considered neutral and gives > results as per association. This is a s per Laghu > Parashari. > > The trines especially 9th lord can never be > unfriendly > to the lagna lord so is benefic. > > Satish > --- " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) > <Corner%40ashtro.ca> ca " <kas > <kas%40ashtro.ca> > wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > Why is the 11th lord dasha considered malefic and > is > > it for all events of > > life? > > > > > > > > Is traditionally 11th lord dasha considered > malefic > > for all the house for > > which its upachaya also such as 6th, 11th itself, > > 7th, 2nd and 4th house > > results? > > > > > > > > If you are going by Vedic then in Vedic its also > > given that upachaya is the > > house of growth, heap and prosperity then if u use > > vedic then u must also > > use all the parameters? > > > > > > > > KAS is not different from Vedic so I would like to > > understand this basic as > > to why is 11th house considered malefic. > > > > > > > > Once we understand that then we can proceed, > because > > the basics of KAS is > > based on upachaya and that is given in VA also. > > > > > > > > Satish, otherwise what will happen is that we will > > be talking 2 different > > languages and the basic of 2nd house and 11th > house > > will be lost. > > > > > > > > So please explain to me why is 11th lord dasha > > considered malefic and is it > > a blanket statement or are there any exceptions > and > > if there are then what > > are they so we should cover it from all angles. > > > > > > > > I would also request Gopal to take part in this as > > he is also following > > traditional astrology so that way we can get to > the > > root of it. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> > ca/> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents > > [astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents ] > On > > Behalf Of SPK > > Saturday March 22, 2008 8:15 AM > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents > > Re: 2nd and > 11th > > house > > > > > > > > Thanks Anup, > > > > The question was not about bribes. The real > question > > is about 2nd and 11th house. How does KAS treat > 11th > > house. In traditional VA 11th lord dasha is > > considered > > malefic. The 2nd lord dasha has a maraka taint but > > gives results according to association. In KAS 2nd > > lord dasha is considered to be a headache. If the > > person has good points for Guru in this case for > 2nd > > huse but low points for 11th house ( as it happens > > in > > this case also 8th house). How will the antara > > traspire? > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1 (AT) (DOT) > > <dalh_1%40> com> wrote: > > > > > Dear SPK, > > > > > > > > > I still recall once Ash has explained this in > past > > > which i am > > > reproducing for yout refernce as i dont remember > > > amil number. > > > Hope this will help u understand a little. > > > > > > > > > " Acutally the key word is not bribe its not to > > > misplay with money. Now > > > 2nd house is important as it denotes wealth. 8th > > > house is unearned > > > wealth. In charts which have more planets in 2nd > > > house, such persons > > > must not go for easy money such as speculation > or > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Dear Dadhi, I am very glad that u joined in and I also invite others to join in this discussion as personally I would like to get to the root of this. Yes, Dadhi you are correct, the upachaya theory is of prime importance in KAS. This upachaya has been given in each and every VA book. I do not think anyone will oppose that. This is the basics. 3, 6, 10 and 11th are special as upachaya and the meaning of that as per Sanskrit disctionary is Heap, Growth and Prosperity. So in my opinion this must be used by each and everyone using VA. Now, Laghu Parasari also says in the initial part that The below has been taken from the following site. Those with original texts can confirm this if the translation is correct. http://www.astrojyoti.com/laghuparashari.htm “2. For the enlightenment of the learned astrologers, I compose this Udu-daya-Pradeep on the basis of Parashara Hora-Shastra. 3. We will include the Astrological results (good or bad) of the Nakshatra Dasha Paddhati as shown in Vimshottari System; and do not believe in Ashtottari System. 4. The learned should make themselves familiar with the fundamentals of Astrology through other works. Here only the specific principles will be explained.” So here I take it that the basics and meaning of upachaya house, if its not mentioned in Laghu Parasara has certainly been given in Hora-Shastra. Now, for 6th as B in KAS, we are taking 11th and 3rd as E and D house so this is also considered and ofcourse House A is 1st house. Now, if u just take 11th house as malefic then what in essence one is saying and correct me if I have not understood this clearly, is that “Success is MALEFIC for 1st or SELF”. That would also mean that Child is MALEFIC for Mother. i.e. 3rd house is Mother so 1st house is SELF. In Prashna, one takes 11th house to find out the success of the Query and that is 1st. Dadhi, one thing, KAS and VA CANNOT be different. KAS is part and parcel of VA only and infact things get clarified. How is it possible for 11th house to be Malefic for 1st. Infact 1st house is Root KARAK for 11th house. A strong SELF is the Karak for 6th house and 6th house is Karak for 11th house. A person with good health / social status etc can get good success 11th. Or other way to say, is that Good Individuality is required for a Good Job and health and the better the job the better will be the Income. So the mool karak for 11th is 1st. So how can 11th be Malefic for 1st? This is the basic irrespective of VA or KAS. This must be understood clearly. What Laghu Parasarai said is not incorrect but the context for that has to be clearly understood. Yes, that is correct, what you have said about 2nd lord is not only worries but that is just one part but there are all good things too. If you talk of Raj Yog then 11th house is the success. It is the dhan sthan from 10th house so how it can be bad? We must have clear understanding of Basics and why the Rishis have same malefic and what is meant by malefic and for what house its malefic? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Dadhi Saturday March 22, 2008 2:12 PM RE: 2nd and 11th house Dear Satish and Ash, Sorry to jump in with my two cents... 11th lord is per standard VA certainly malefic, but mostly regarding longevity and yogas (specifically raja yogas in Laghu Parashari). However, yogas in KAS are taken care from another perspective. Since upachayas are cornestones of KAS, I would say for 11th that it is positive, Krushnaji mentioned somewhere (in archives) that 2nd lord antra has also positive sides/effects. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Dear Satish and Dadhi, I am including Dadhi in this discussion as well. 6th house as per KAS is the worst house or we say black hole, but then again, we do not say that for ALL houses. For example, if u check the WS, for 1st house its House E, for 6th house its House B, for 2nd house its House C for 9th house its House D and for 11th house its House A. Just see the calculation from H1 to H12 and u can see that we do add power if the sight of 6th lord is Benefic for houses. So here we are taking care of the contras. 6th house is the house of Disease as its denotes stomach and all disease start from stomach. However for 1st house it is NOT bad. That is reflected in the points. So 6th house is treated as malefic but if 1st lord is in 6th house then KARAK itself has come to House B if 6th as B. So that is VERY powerful. 6th lord in 11th house makes 6th house very powerful as KARAK for 11th house has come to 11th house. So here we are differentiating such things. I hope this is clear. Yes for 7th house as B then 6th is 12th from B and also the black hole so 2 different things here. So now, please can u explain to me why is Success Malefic for SELF? i.e 11th house malefic for 1st. So if u go by lordship theory then it contradicts the upachaya theory. Laghu prasarai and the author of that has asked to use both? So then what is the truth. What exactly did the author of Laghu Parasari mean when he said 3, 6 and 11 are trik and in what context? I have to rush out now, but please write and I shall come back and reply. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of SPK Saturday March 22, 2008 2:38 PM RE: 2nd and 11th house Dear Ash, That is the crux of the question. 6th house is also upachaya house for 1st. But it is treated as house of disease/debt etc. in VA. 6th house in KAS is also teated as malefic. Yesit is more so for 7th as B, but in general also it is treated as bad and 6th lord is treated as malefic. Am I correct in this or is 6th lord bad only for matters of 7th house ? Thanks Satish --- " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca " <kas wrote: > Dear Satish, > > > > In VA its given that upachaya is house house of > growth. So for 1st house, > 11th house is 11th so upachaya. > > > > So what to agree on? > > > > Is the definition of upachaya wrong or is it that > approach that 11th lord is > not friendly to 1st lord not correct? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On > Behalf Of SPK > Saturday March 22, 2008 12:40 PM > > RE: 2nd and 11th > house > > > > Dear Ash, > > The main reason I see is that the 11th lord can > never > be a friend of the lagna lord. 3,6, and 11th lords > are > malefic as they are unfriendly to the lagna lord. > The > trines will be invariably friendly to lagna > lord.(There are a few exceptions as for kanya lagna > shani is 5th and 6th lord so a benefic and a malefic > of the same order.) > > There other nuances but for most part this holds > true. > Thats why 11th lord is malefic. > > 2nd and 12th lord is considered neutral and gives > results as per association. This is a s per Laghu > Parashari. > > The trines especially 9th lord can never be > unfriendly > to the lagna lord so is benefic. > > Satish > --- " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) > <Corner%40ashtro.ca> ca " <kas > <kas%40ashtro.ca> > wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > Why is the 11th lord dasha considered malefic and > is > > it for all events of > > life? > > > > > > > > Is traditionally 11th lord dasha considered > malefic > > for all the house for > > which its upachaya also such as 6th, 11th itself, > > 7th, 2nd and 4th house > > results? > > > > > > > > If you are going by Vedic then in Vedic its also > > given that upachaya is the > > house of growth, heap and prosperity then if u use > > vedic then u must also > > use all the parameters? > > > > > > > > KAS is not different from Vedic so I would like to > > understand this basic as > > to why is 11th house considered malefic. > > > > > > > > Once we understand that then we can proceed, > because > > the basics of KAS is > > based on upachaya and that is given in VA also. > > > > > > > > Satish, otherwise what will happen is that we will > > be talking 2 different > > languages and the basic of 2nd house and 11th > house > > will be lost. > > > > > > > > So please explain to me why is 11th lord dasha > > considered malefic and is it > > a blanket statement or are there any exceptions > and > > if there are then what > > are they so we should cover it from all angles. > > > > > > > > I would also request Gopal to take part in this as > > he is also following > > traditional astrology so that way we can get to > the > > root of it. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> > ca/> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents > > [astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents ] > On > > Behalf Of SPK > > Saturday March 22, 2008 8:15 AM > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents > > Re: 2nd and > 11th > > house > > > > > > > > Thanks Anup, > > > > The question was not about bribes. The real > question > > is about 2nd and 11th house. How does KAS treat > 11th > > house. In traditional VA 11th lord dasha is > > considered > > malefic. The 2nd lord dasha has a maraka taint but > > gives results according to association. In KAS 2nd > > lord dasha is considered to be a headache. If the > > person has good points for Guru in this case for > 2nd > > huse but low points for 11th house ( as it happens > > in > > this case also 8th house). How will the antara > > traspire? > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1 (AT) (DOT) > > <dalh_1%40> com> wrote: > > > > > Dear SPK, > > > > > > > > > I still recall once Ash has explained this in > past > > > which i am > > > reproducing for yout refernce as i dont remember > > > amil number. > > > Hope this will help u understand a little. > > > > > > > > > " Acutally the key word is not bribe its not to > > > misplay with money. Now > > > 2nd house is important as it denotes wealth. 8th > > > house is unearned > > > wealth. In charts which have more planets in 2nd > > > house, such persons > > > must not go for easy money such as speculation > or > === message truncated === ________ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Dear Ash, Dadhi It has been a big diacotomy with me for many years. Some systems treat 11th house as most benefic( System's approach) this does not appear to be case if you go by Laghu parashari. Secondly, Parashar says planets in 11th house are good but laghu parashri says 11th lord is malefic. I have found that to be true to a degree. that In KAS dasha of 2nd lord is supposed to be agitating, similarly antara of 11th has not produced many pleasant outcomes. There may be gains but they are quite trasitory and by the end of the anatra they all evaporate. One way to look at it from KAS is 11th is house D for 2nd so if 2nd lord gives headaches won't 11th lord do that as well being LoD for 2nd? Satish --- " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > Dear Satish and Dadhi, > > > > I am including Dadhi in this discussion as well. > > > > 6th house as per KAS is the worst house or we say > black hole, but then > again, we do not say that for ALL houses. > > > > For example, if u check the WS, for 1st house its > House E, for 6th house its > House B, for 2nd house its House C for 9th house its > House D and for 11th > house its House A. Just see the calculation from H1 > to H12 and u can see > that we do add power if the sight of 6th lord is > Benefic for houses. > > > > So here we are taking care of the contras. > > > > 6th house is the house of Disease as its denotes > stomach and all disease > start from stomach. However for 1st house it is NOT > bad. That is reflected > in the points. > > > > So 6th house is treated as malefic but if 1st lord > is in 6th house then > KARAK itself has come to House B if 6th as B. So > that is VERY powerful. > 6th lord in 11th house makes 6th house very powerful > as KARAK for 11th house > has come to 11th house. > > > > So here we are differentiating such things. > > > > I hope this is clear. Yes for 7th house as B then > 6th is 12th from B and > also the black hole so 2 different things here. > > > > So now, please can u explain to me why is Success > Malefic for SELF? i.e > 11th house malefic for 1st. > > > > So if u go by lordship theory then it contradicts > the upachaya theory. > > > > Laghu prasarai and the author of that has asked to > use both? > > > > So then what is the truth. > > > > What exactly did the author of Laghu Parasari mean > when he said 3, 6 and 11 > are trik and in what context? > > > > > > I have to rush out now, but please write and I shall > come back and reply. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On > Behalf Of SPK > Saturday March 22, 2008 2:38 PM > > RE: 2nd and 11th > house > > > > Dear Ash, > > That is the crux of the question. 6th house is also > upachaya house for 1st. But it is treated as house > of > disease/debt etc. in VA. 6th house in KAS is also > teated as malefic. Yesit is more so for 7th as B, > but > in general also it is treated as bad and 6th lord is > treated as malefic. Am I correct in this or is 6th > lord bad only for matters of 7th house ? > > Thanks > > Satish > --- " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) > <Corner%40ashtro.ca> ca " <kas > <kas%40ashtro.ca> > wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > In VA its given that upachaya is house house of > > growth. So for 1st house, > > 11th house is 11th so upachaya. > > > > > > > > So what to agree on? > > > > > > > > Is the definition of upachaya wrong or is it that > > approach that 11th lord is > > not friendly to 1st lord not correct? > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> > ca/> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > _____ > > > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents > > [astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents ] > On > > Behalf Of SPK > > Saturday March 22, 2008 12:40 PM > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents > > RE: 2nd and > 11th > > house > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > The main reason I see is that the 11th lord can > > never > > be a friend of the lagna lord. 3,6, and 11th lords > > are > > malefic as they are unfriendly to the lagna lord. > > The > > trines will be invariably friendly to lagna > > lord.(There are a few exceptions as for kanya > lagna > > shani is 5th and 6th lord so a benefic and a > malefic > > of the same order.) > > > > There other nuances but for most part this holds > > true. > > Thats why 11th lord is malefic. > > > > 2nd and 12th lord is considered neutral and gives > > results as per association. This is a s per Laghu > > Parashari. > > > > The trines especially 9th lord can never be > > unfriendly > > to the lagna lord so is benefic. > > > > Satish > > --- " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) > > <Corner%40ashtro.ca> ca " <kas > <kas%40ashtro.ca> === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Dear Ash, Satish, Dadhi If I may add the Vedic astrology perspective: 11th from any house is gain (successful completeion of work/task/objective ...e.g. 11th lord from 10th is 8th house indicator of retirement). But also is 6th from 6th. Hence is not pure benefic. 11th lord dasa will always be with debt/disease/enemy etc. Any benefic/malefic is related with two things - its jeeva and material ( " dravya " ). 11th is considered benefic for dravya only. If I may recall Late Santhanam's perspective - he has always considered 11th lord's dasa as most malefic one - simply for the fact that it catches native unguarded. For few lagnas - 11th lord does become badhka lord (if it is also 22nd drekkna lord) - and if so, it will certainly carry its ill effects in its MD/AD. Likewise - for few lagnas (e.g. leo / kumbha) - it is markesh also. So it carries ability to trouble native. regards / Prafulla Gang " If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. " ************************************************ > > kas > Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:48:56 -0400 > > RE: 2nd and 11th house > > Dear Satish and Dadhi, > > > > I am including Dadhi in this discussion as well. > > > > 6th house as per KAS is the worst house or we say black hole, but then > again, we do not say that for ALL houses. > > > > For example, if u check the WS, for 1st house its House E, for 6th house > its > House B, for 2nd house its House C for 9th house its House D and for 11th > house its House A. Just see the calculation from H1 to H12 and u can see > that we do add power if the sight of 6th lord is Benefic for houses. > > > > So here we are taking care of the contras. > > > > 6th house is the house of Disease as its denotes stomach and all disease > start from stomach. However for 1st house it is NOT bad. That is > reflected > in the points. > > > > So 6th house is treated as malefic but if 1st lord is in 6th house then > KARAK itself has come to House B if 6th as B. So that is VERY powerful. > 6th lord in 11th house makes 6th house very powerful as KARAK for 11th > house > has come to 11th house. > > > > So here we are differentiating such things. > > > > I hope this is clear. Yes for 7th house as B then 6th is 12th from B and > also the black hole so 2 different things here. > > > > So now, please can u explain to me why is Success Malefic for SELF? i.e > 11th house malefic for 1st. > > > > So if u go by lordship theory then it contradicts the upachaya theory. > > > > Laghu prasarai and the author of that has asked to use both? > > > > So then what is the truth. > > > > What exactly did the author of Laghu Parasari mean when he said 3, 6 and > 11 > are trik and in what context? > > > > > > I have to rush out now, but please write and I shall come back and reply. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of SPK > Saturday March 22, 2008 2:38 PM > > RE: 2nd and 11th house > > > > Dear Ash, > > That is the crux of the question. 6th house is also > upachaya house for 1st. But it is treated as house of > disease/debt etc. in VA. 6th house in KAS is also > teated as malefic. Yesit is more so for 7th as B, but > in general also it is treated as bad and 6th lord is > treated as malefic. Am I correct in this or is 6th > lord bad only for matters of 7th house ? > > Thanks > > Satish > --- " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) <Corner%40ashtro.ca> ca " <kas > <kas%40ashtro.ca> > wrote: > >> Dear Satish, >> >> >> >> In VA its given that upachaya is house house of >> growth. So for 1st house, >> 11th house is 11th so upachaya. >> >> >> >> So what to agree on? >> >> >> >> Is the definition of upachaya wrong or is it that >> approach that 11th lord is >> not friendly to 1st lord not correct? >> >> >> >> Cheers !!! >> >> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> ca/> >> http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca >> >> _____ >> >> astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents >> [astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents ] > On >> Behalf Of SPK >> Saturday March 22, 2008 12:40 PM >> astrologyandtiminge > <%40> vents >> RE: 2nd and 11th >> house >> >> >> >> Dear Ash, >> >> The main reason I see is that the 11th lord can >> never >> be a friend of the lagna lord. 3,6, and 11th lords >> are >> malefic as they are unfriendly to the lagna lord. >> The >> trines will be invariably friendly to lagna >> lord.(There are a few exceptions as for kanya lagna >> shani is 5th and 6th lord so a benefic and a malefic >> of the same order.) >> >> There other nuances but for most part this holds >> true. >> Thats why 11th lord is malefic. >> >> 2nd and 12th lord is considered neutral and gives >> results as per association. This is a s per Laghu >> Parashari. >> >> The trines especially 9th lord can never be >> unfriendly >> to the lagna lord so is benefic. >> >> Satish >> --- " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) >> <Corner%40ashtro.ca> ca " <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> >> <kas%40ashtro.ca> > wrote: >> >>> Dear Satish, >>> >>> >>> >>> Why is the 11th lord dasha considered malefic and >> is >>> it for all events of >>> life? >>> >>> >>> >>> Is traditionally 11th lord dasha considered >> malefic >>> for all the house for >>> which its upachaya also such as 6th, 11th itself, >>> 7th, 2nd and 4th house >>> results? >>> >>> >>> >>> If you are going by Vedic then in Vedic its also >>> given that upachaya is the >>> house of growth, heap and prosperity then if u use >>> vedic then u must also >>> use all the parameters? >>> >>> >>> >>> KAS is not different from Vedic so I would like to >>> understand this basic as >>> to why is 11th house considered malefic. >>> >>> >>> >>> Once we understand that then we can proceed, >> because >>> the basics of KAS is >>> based on upachaya and that is given in VA also. >>> >>> >>> >>> Satish, otherwise what will happen is that we will >>> be talking 2 different >>> languages and the basic of 2nd house and 11th >> house >>> will be lost. >>> >>> >>> >>> So please explain to me why is 11th lord dasha >>> considered malefic and is it >>> a blanket statement or are there any exceptions >> and >>> if there are then what >>> are they so we should cover it from all angles. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would also request Gopal to take part in this as >>> he is also following >>> traditional astrology so that way we can get to >> the >>> root of it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers !!! >>> >>> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca/> > ca/> >> ca/> http://www.ashtro. >> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> astrologyandtiminge >> <%40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com >>> [astrologyandtiminge >> <%40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com] >> On >>> Behalf Of SPK >>> Saturday March 22, 2008 8:15 AM >>> astrologyandtiminge >> <%40> >> vents (AT) (DOT) <vents%40> com >>> Re: 2nd and >> 11th >>> house >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks Anup, >>> >>> The question was not about bribes. The real >> question >>> is about 2nd and 11th house. How does KAS treat >> 11th >>> house. In traditional VA 11th lord dasha is >>> considered >>> malefic. The 2nd lord dasha has a maraka taint but >>> gives results according to association. In KAS 2nd >>> lord dasha is considered to be a headache. If the >>> person has good points for Guru in this case for >> 2nd >>> huse but low points for 11th house ( as it happens >>> in >>> this case also 8th house). How will the antara >>> traspire? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Satish >>> --- " Anup. M " <dalh_1 (AT) (DOT) >>> <dalh_1%40> com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear SPK, >>>> >>>> >>>> I still recall once Ash has explained this in >> past >>>> which i am >>>> reproducing for yout refernce as i dont remember >>>> amil number. >>>> Hope this will help u understand a little. >>>> >>>> >>>> " Acutally the key word is not bribe its not to >>>> misplay with money. Now >>>> 2nd house is important as it denotes wealth. 8th >>>> house is unearned >>>> wealth. In charts which have more planets in 2nd >>>> house, such persons >>>> must not go for easy money such as speculation >> or >> > === message truncated === > > ________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www.. <http://www./r/hs> com/r/hs __________ FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Dear Ash, Satish, Praffula and all members, Sorry for late answer, but I am in another timezone... Praffula nicely explained some points, so no need to repeat it. However... > Now, if u just take 11th house as malefic then what in essence one is > saying and correct me if I have not understood this clearly, is that > " Success is MALEFIC for 1st or SELF " . No. " Problem " with standard explanation of some principles in VA is that they look at the problem from another viewpoint. Different than from KAS viewpoint. From Laghu Parashari viewpoint 11th is actually evil, not malefic. And all this Trishdai lords, when they are karaka due to relationships, they give yoga-karaka results... like some success, position, recognition from Goverment etc. because there are positive sides. Only thing is that planet become weaker in this situation. > In Prashna, one takes 11th house to find out the success of the Query and > that is 1st. Yes, that is so. > > Dadhi, one thing, KAS and VA CANNOT be different. KAS is part and parcel > of VA only and infact things get clarified. I know, but classical VA has another viewpoint and very general explanation. So, sometimes it seems to be big difference. Maybe you remember that we talked (either on the phone or on this list...) about Gajakeshari yoga (when Ju and Mo are not together, but in kendra to each other). Every VA books glorify this yoga as very good. Excellent. It may be so... But, from the KAS perspective, it is not always so, because of the 4/10 position is not same as 1/7. > How is it possible for 11th house to be Malefic for 1st. Infact 1st house > is Root KARAK for 11th house. > A person with good health / social status etc can get good success 11th. > Or other way to say, is that Good Individuality is required for a Good Job > and health and the better the job the better will be the Income. So the > mool karak for 11th is 1st. So how can 11th be Malefic for 1st? I agree with you. Your explanation is from KAS perspective and it is correct, because upachaya theory is in play here. 11th can not be malefic for the 1st. > This is the basic irrespective of VA or KAS. This must be understood > clearly. Ok, but... your logic and explanation, just one sentence before, was from KAS perspective. > What Laghu Parasarai said is not incorrect but the context for that has to > be clearly understood. I agree. > If you talk of Raj Yog then 11th house is the success. It is the dhan > sthan from 10th house so how it can be bad? Not bad. But now you talk form VA perspective regarding Raja Yoga. And even Laghu Parashari states that 10th and 11th lords relationships are not good for any yoga. If I talk from KAS perspective, 10th is 12th from 11th. KAS law is that any planet, which is strongest in the worksheet, do not give the result for the house concerned, if 1) have any relationship with the 12th lord or 2) If gets points due to the sight of 12th lord from any house. > We must have clear understanding of Basics and why the Rishis have same > malefic and what is meant by malefic and for what house its malefic? Sure. Just to repeat that Trishdai are little bit evil, not purely malefic. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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