Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Dear Ash, Prafulla, Dadhi, Anup, and All members As I mentioned this is the big diachotomy and has been troubling me for a long time. How to resolve this? 1. There is Upachaya principle. So 3 6 10 11 form any house are house of growth for that house. 2. We also know that 3, 6 , 11th lord from lagna is not a friendly lord to the lagna lord. So how to reconcile this? Are we missing the context here ? What does growth of 1st house mean ? Do we mean only health and physical well being ? Then how come 6th house of disease be growth house for 1st? From KAS perspective how to treat 6th house ? Yes it is bad for 7th as B. How does it behave for other houses. Do we treat it as a bad for other houses as well? Thanks Satish --- " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > Dear Prafulla, > > > > Malefics in 3, 6 10 and 11 are good no doubt but in > what context. That was > the first question that Krushnaji had asked when he > had started the list. > > > > Yes, even if that is understood and in what context > that has been said by > traditionalist then so many things will get clear. > > > > I had written a long post on that as well, I believe > it was to Sanjiva or > Satish. > > > > Then again, my very simple and basic question is, > what are upachaya sthan > and what is the meaning and the use of it in VA? > > > > All the seers have only said that only 3 6 10 and > 11th house are the house > of growth from any house and the rest are not. So > how can 11th house be > malefic for 1st house. > > > > My fundamental question remains unanswered still, > > > > -- If one says that 11th house is malefic for 1st > house, then what is the > meaning of upachaya sthan? > > > > What is the use of upachaya sthan in VA? Has that > been given or explained. > > > > > I think everyone is saying that upachaya means > growth, heap and prosperity, > so how can 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th be bad from any > house? > > > > Please can you or Satish or Dadhi explain to me what > did Santhanamji mean > that 11th lord is malefic for 1st house? If he has > said that then what is > the meaning of upachaya? > > > > I think Santhanamji has also translated that 3, 6, > 10 and 11th house from > any house are the upachaya sthan. > > > > > > So why the contradiction? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > _____ > > > On > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang > Sunday March 23, 2008 12:16 AM > > RE: 2nd and 11th > house > > > > Dear Ash > > One more thing from vedic astrology perspective: > > Bhavartha Ratnakar has explained for various lagna > that lords of 3/6/11 are > bad (not necessarily the houses); and if 11th lord > joins trine lord or > kendra lord (must be natural malefic) - then it > gives yoga karka > results..else it is considered bad. > > Upachaya generally are growth factors and strongly > indicates present life > karma. Native got to work for the respective > results. > > I also heard few traditionalists saying that natural > malefic in 3/6/11 > (specially if they are debilitated) are wealth > givers. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > " If you pick up a starving dog and make him > prosperous, he will not bite > you. This is the principal difference between a dog > and a man. " > > ************************************************ > > > > > kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > > Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:39:18 -0400 > > astrologyandtiminge > <%40> > vents > > RE: 2nd and > 11th house > > > > Dear Dadhi, > > > > > > > > I am very glad that u joined in and I also invite > others to join in this > > discussion as personally I would like to get to > the root of this. > > > > > > > > Yes, Dadhi you are correct, the upachaya theory is > of prime importance in > > KAS. This upachaya has been given in each and > every VA book. I do not > > think anyone will oppose that. This is the basics. > 3, 6, 10 and 11th > > are > > special as upachaya and the meaning of that as per > Sanskrit disctionary > > is > > Heap, Growth and Prosperity. So in my opinion this > must be used by each > > and > > everyone using VA. > > > > > > > > Now, Laghu Parasari also says in the initial part > that > > > > > > > > The below has been taken from the following site. > Those with original > > texts > > can confirm this if the translation is correct. > > > > > > > > http://www.astrojyo > <http://www.astrojyoti.com/laghuparashari.htm> > ti.com/laghuparashari.htm > > > > > > > > " 2. For the enlightenment of the learned > astrologers, I compose this > > Udu-daya-Pradeep on the basis of Parashara > Hora-Shastra. > > 3. We will include the Astrological results (good > or bad) of the > > Nakshatra > > Dasha Paddhati as shown in Vimshottari System; and > do not believe in > > Ashtottari System. > > 4. The learned should make themselves familiar > with the fundamentals of > > Astrology through other works. Here only the > specific principles will be > > explained. " > > > > > > > > So here I take it that the basics and meaning of > upachaya house, if its > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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