Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 05.05.2008 Sub: Functional Karak / Natural Karak Dear Group Members, I am a silent member of the group mainly because of professional work load. But I read most of the mails on this forum. Here I wish to express one of my queries, the answer to which may be lying in the Archieves. But can any one with enhanced experience now, throw some light on it. Query: How does NK and FK differ from the point of view of giving results? If someone is running an AD of any planet which is either FK or NK then how does the result differ if it is NK from the result if that planet is FK for the same house. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Sun, 04 May 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : >Dear Anup, > >When there exist a 1:7 between NSD planets i.e. Sa and Ve and Ma and Mo or >Ma and Su then in that case they cease to become NSD. > >Now lets say Sa and Ve are in 1:7 in rasi or navamsa but Sa is in navamsa of >venus and venus is in navamsa of sa then they will cease to act as NSD but >will become FSD. I hope its clear. > >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of Anup. M >Sunday May 4, 2008 1:32 PM > >RE: Re: Love marriage-attraction > >Dear Ash, > >Admiited that both Venus and Mer have touch >of each other,but Ash,what about opposition in navamsa >of Venus and Mer asper KAS rules? > >Are not they sld be treated enemies of each other and can oppose >each other for timing of events as well? > >Its new concept,nobody is participating though,but >i wanna learn differently also. > >Regards >Anup > > > > > " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: >Dear Anup, >No Anup, here I was seeing it from different angle. Yes, u are correct when >you say that Ve is in navamsa of Me so Ve is SD to Me , means Ve can step in >for Me. Here Mercury is eager and this will make Ve eager as well, but here >Ve itself is malefic for 7th house so as far as timing goes, it becomes >eager to furnish the timing but quality is different, so here, in this case, >marriage in low points means............. >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > On Behalf Of Anup. M >Sunday May 4, 2008 1:12 PM > >RE: Re: Love marriage-attraction >Dear Ash, >Here Venus can step in for Mer and not Mer for Venus >if i am not wrong.So in Venus antra,Mer can not stepin >as per archives. >Also Venus is opposing mercury in navamsa. >Plz guide us. >Regards >Anup > > " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: >Dear Anup, >Ve is in navamsa of Virgo thereby making it SD to Me. >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > On Behalf Of Anup. M >Sunday May 4, 2008 12:55 PM > >RE: Re: Love marriage-attraction >Dear Ash, >I am getting Asc26 Le 28 >Venus is opposing Mer in navamsa. >So Venus cant be SD to Mer. >Plz correct me. >Regards >Anup > > > " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: >Dear Bala, >I went though both charts, however, I would to ask if the girl's chart is >correct? >Yes, one thing to note in both cases is that marriage is happening in lowest >points. In the girl's chart with the current data, all our laws for >multiple marriages or unhappy marriage are applicable. Venus to Sun is 46, >Ve in moola, Sun in 7th, Ju in libra, also Ju is 6th lord and its aspecting >7th house and 2nd lord too etc etc. Here also to note that lagna and 7th >are in 5:9 in both rasi. In both cases, Mars has become very powerful. >In the boy's chart there is delay due to Sa and moderated and there is 1 >zero due to Sa too. So say delay is 29 and moderated to 25 and that time Ve >antra was running. Ve is SD to Me who is in House D with 6 bindus so eager, >thereby making Venus eager to deliver, however Venus itself is weak. So >here marriage is in low power planet. >Now, as per our laws, if marriage happens in low points then it breaks in >high power planet. Now, also one more point to note that these laws are >based on Indian society so they have to be translated in accordance. >Now, due to attraction, the couple might have come close together, and in >Boys chart its in Ve antra, and Ve is LoE for 5th and placed in House E for >12th with more points thereby making it eager. >Also in many cases when the couple do not have children then also marriage >happen in low points. >Note: In the girls chart, DBCE points are rising from Sun, Ju is in libra, >Ju is aspecting 2nd and 7th lord/ house, Ve is moola, and there is delay due >to Saturn and Sun is in 7th house. These things shows multiple marriages or >relations. >What is their status currently Bala, regarding happiness in marriage or >children? >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > On Behalf Of >Balasubramanian >Sunday May 4, 2008 10:48 AM > > Re: Love marriage-attraction >Dear Anup, > >I note your points. Position of Lagna as indicated by you is correct. >The native (male) informed me that his grandfather himself is an >Astrologer and that the birth time can never be wrong. > >All other points mentioned by you are noted by me. As you said let me >wait till other members respond. > >Bala > > ><%40> , " Anup. M " ><dalh_1 wrote: > > > > Dear Bala and List, > > > > You have attempted this in nice way applying KAS > > and its rules.I wld like to write few words in this context, > > while going thru your mail. > > > > I am getting Asc 26 Le 28 for male chart. > > There is Saturn delay moderated/nullify by Jup aspect on > > Sat in navamsa. > > Venus the natural Karka and Mer,the FK both are > > debiliated in Navamsa. > > 1st house have 33pts as compared to 20 in 7th house. > > > > Marriage happened in Aug2004 in Venus antra. > > Venus aspects house C. > > So how marriage happened in Venus antra? > > Sun being SD can not step in for Venus here. > > > > Venus is spoiled a little being within 4deg to Sun > > and with Sun.. > > In venus antra,involvement in a relationship > > cant be denied.Sat and Mars become strong taking points > > from Mer and Moon respectively. > > > > While taking Virgo lagna,Sun and Venus can give marriage. > > I may be wrong but members can correct me. > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Balasubramanian <yenbeeyes wrote: > > Dear Ash and list members, > > > > I was going through the post 'attraction' in the forum. I give below >2 charts which ended up in marriage. Boy is a Hindu and the girl is a >Russian. I would request Ash and other members to see whether my >reasoning is correct. > > > > Boy's Data: 04th January, 1978; TOB: 22:42: Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > Long: 77 E 26; Lat: 8 N 10; Ayanamsa used: 22:39:38 > > > > Girl's Data: 02nd February, 1979; TOB: 16:15: Time Zone: EET -2.00 > > Long: 28 E 38; Lat: 53 N 17; Ayanamsa used: 22:40:33 > > > > About Attraction: If we overlap the charts - > > > > In Rasi Chart: > > 1. Saturn of Male conjojns Saturn of Female. > > 2. Rahu of Male aspects Mars of Female. > > 3. Mars of Male aspects Mars of Female. > > 4. Rahu of female aspects Venus. > > > > In the Navamsa Chart > > 1. Saturn of Male conjoins Mars of Female. > > 2. Rahu of Male conjoins Mars of Female. > > 3. Mars of Male aspects Venus of Female. > > 4. Mars of Male aspects Mars of Female. > > 5. Moon of Female and Sun of Male aspect each other (For friendship) > > > > So relationship between Venus with Rahu in the male's chart,Mars >with Rahu in both the charts and Mars with Saturn in female chart is >established. > > Relationship of Mars and Venus is in femlae chart only. > > Sun annd Moon relationship is also only in female chart. > > > > Timing of friendship: > > > > 5th house is the house of friendship. In both the charts Jupiter has >the highest points in the WS for 5th house. > > > > The couple informed that they got into friendship around middle of 2003. > > > > Girl was having Antara of Ketu from 14.05.2003 to 13.07.2004 > > Boy was having Antara of Venus from 03.09.2001 to 02.11.2004 > > > > Ketu in Girl's chart should give effects of Jupiter as he is in his >constellation or Saturn in whose house he is placed. > > In boy's chart there is only aspect of Jupiter from house 'C' on Venus. > > > > My little knowledge is unable to corelate this. Can any one explain >the samee ? > > > > Other Points: > > > > Actual marriage took place on 21st August 2004 in Foreign country - >Belarus. > > > > Girl was running Antara of Sun : 13.07.2004 to 31.10.2004. Sun is >having the lowest points in WS for 7th house. > > Boy was running Antara of Venus: 03.09.2001 to 02.11.2004. Venus is >having the lowest points in WS for 7th house. > > > > In Girl's chart Sun is with LOE-Mercury. Being Samdharmi to Mercury >who is having more than 12 points in WS of 7th house might have >brought about the marriage. > > > > In Boy's chart Sun is with venus in the 5th house. Hence being >Samdharmi to Sun who has 16 points in the WS of 7th house he might >have triggered the marriage. > > > > Other than this I am unable to find out any reason for the timing of >marriage. > > > > What other points are to be seen? > > > > If we see the PDF the combination of planets -denoting the >significance- are Moon and Mercury during 3rd Aug to 16th Aug and Sun >and Ketu during 17th Aug. to 30th Aug. > > > > The distance between Venus and Sun is less than 43 degree (around 36 >degree). But Venus is in Mula Nakshatra. So it gets spoiled. (or is it >to be taken only when the distance is more than 43 degree). However >there is no aspect of either Jupiter or Saturn on Venus. > > And also Jupiter is in Libra Navamsa - What would be the outcome of >this ? > > > > Also there is an aspect of 6th lord (Saturn in boy's chart and >Jupiter in girl's chart) aspecting the 7th house. > > > > The Ascendant of the boy has 33 points and the Girl has only 22 >points SAV. > > > > The combinations of Lord of Lagna, Moon and Sun plus the lord of 7th > from them - for the girl it is more than 50 and the boy it is only 40. > > > > Does all these indicate any trouble in the married life ? > > > > Message for Mr. Ash: > > > > I am still going through the Archives. Oh! What a store of >information it has. In the meantime, I got this horoscope for >analysis. The doubts that I got I have mentioned above. Kindly clarify. > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. >Try it now. > > > > > _____ > >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try ><http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http:/mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H >DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > > > _____ > >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try ><http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http:/mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H >DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > > > _____ > >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try ><http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http:/mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H >DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh, I am happy that you have begun posting your queries. NK and FK do not give results. The Karaks i.e House A and Lord of A, control the status of House B. As far as timing of result is concerned we can get from the WS, but the status is controlled by House A and LoA or FK and NK (which is from kalpurush chart). Eager planets for timing of events are LoD and LoE and Planets in House D and E with more than 4 points. Just as an analogy, if someone ask’s you a question, when will I purchase a car or property, then you can find the timing of event using the WS, but the status of it, will be controlled by FK and NK so it might be a Nano or a SL500 Mercedez that is the status. Say, if Venus is spoilt, so will be the result of Marriage. Here Venus is natural 2nd lord i.e. lord of Taurus. So I hope this important distinction is clear. FK is one step ahead of NK. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur Monday May 5, 2008 3:59 AM To: Re: RE: FK & NK 05.05.2008 Sub: Functional Karak / Natural Karak Dear Group Members, I am a silent member of the group mainly because of professional work load. But I read most of the mails on this forum. Here I wish to express one of my queries, the answer to which may be lying in the Archieves. But can any one with enhanced experience now, throw some light on it. Query: How does NK and FK differ from the point of view of giving results? If someone is running an AD of any planet which is either FK or NK then how does the result differ if it is NK from the result if that planet is FK for the same house. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Sun, 04 May 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : >Dear Anup, > >When there exist a 1:7 between NSD planets i.e. Sa and Ve and Ma and Mo or >Ma and Su then in that case they cease to become NSD. > >Now lets say Sa and Ve are in 1:7 in rasi or navamsa but Sa is in navamsa of >venus and venus is in navamsa of sa then they will cease to act as NSD but >will become FSD. I hope its clear. > >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of Anup. M >Sunday May 4, 2008 1:32 PM > >RE: Re: Love marriage-attraction > >Dear Ash, > >Admiited that both Venus and Mer have touch >of each other,but Ash,what about opposition in navamsa >of Venus and Mer asper KAS rules? > >Are not they sld be treated enemies of each other and can oppose >each other for timing of events as well? > >Its new concept,nobody is participating though,but >i wanna learn differently also. > >Regards >Anup > > > > > " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: >Dear Anup, >No Anup, here I was seeing it from different angle. Yes, u are correct when >you say that Ve is in navamsa of Me so Ve is SD to Me , means Ve can step in >for Me. Here Mercury is eager and this will make Ve eager as well, but here >Ve itself is malefic for 7th house so as far as timing goes, it becomes >eager to furnish the timing but quality is different, so here, in this case, >marriage in low points means............. >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > On Behalf Of Anup. M >Sunday May 4, 2008 1:12 PM > >RE: Re: Love marriage-attraction >Dear Ash, >Here Venus can step in for Mer and not Mer for Venus >if i am not wrong.So in Venus antra,Mer can not stepin >as per archives. >Also Venus is opposing mercury in navamsa. >Plz guide us. >Regards >Anup > > " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: >Dear Anup, >Ve is in navamsa of Virgo thereby making it SD to Me. >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > On Behalf Of Anup. M >Sunday May 4, 2008 12:55 PM > >RE: Re: Love marriage-attraction >Dear Ash, >I am getting Asc26 Le 28 >Venus is opposing Mer in navamsa. >So Venus cant be SD to Mer. >Plz correct me. >Regards >Anup > > > " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: >Dear Bala, >I went though both charts, however, I would to ask if the girl's chart is >correct? >Yes, one thing to note in both cases is that marriage is happening in lowest >points. In the girl's chart with the current data, all our laws for >multiple marriages or unhappy marriage are applicable. Venus to Sun is 46, >Ve in moola, Sun in 7th, Ju in libra, also Ju is 6th lord and its aspecting >7th house and 2nd lord too etc etc. Here also to note that lagna and 7th >are in 5:9 in both rasi. In both cases, Mars has become very powerful. >In the boy's chart there is delay due to Sa and moderated and there is 1 >zero due to Sa too. So say delay is 29 and moderated to 25 and that time Ve >antra was running. Ve is SD to Me who is in House D with 6 bindus so eager, >thereby making Venus eager to deliver, however Venus itself is weak. So >here marriage is in low power planet. >Now, as per our laws, if marriage happens in low points then it breaks in >high power planet. Now, also one more point to note that these laws are >based on Indian society so they have to be translated in accordance. >Now, due to attraction, the couple might have come close together, and in >Boys chart its in Ve antra, and Ve is LoE for 5th and placed in House E for >12th with more points thereby making it eager. >Also in many cases when the couple do not have children then also marriage >happen in low points. >Note: In the girls chart, DBCE points are rising from Sun, Ju is in libra, >Ju is aspecting 2nd and 7th lord/ house, Ve is moola, and there is delay due >to Saturn and Sun is in 7th house. These things shows multiple marriages or >relations. >What is their status currently Bala, regarding happiness in marriage or >children? >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > On Behalf Of >Balasubramanian >Sunday May 4, 2008 10:48 AM > > Re: Love marriage-attraction >Dear Anup, > >I note your points. Position of Lagna as indicated by you is correct. >The native (male) informed me that his grandfather himself is an >Astrologer and that the birth time can never be wrong. > >All other points mentioned by you are noted by me. As you said let me >wait till other members respond. > >Bala > > ><%40> , " Anup. M " ><dalh_1 wrote: > > > > Dear Bala and List, > > > > You have attempted this in nice way applying KAS > > and its rules.I wld like to write few words in this context, > > while going thru your mail. > > > > I am getting Asc 26 Le 28 for male chart. > > There is Saturn delay moderated/nullify by Jup aspect on > > Sat in navamsa. > > Venus the natural Karka and Mer,the FK both are > > debiliated in Navamsa. > > 1st house have 33pts as compared to 20 in 7th house. > > > > Marriage happened in Aug2004 in Venus antra. > > Venus aspects house C. > > So how marriage happened in Venus antra? > > Sun being SD can not step in for Venus here. > > > > Venus is spoiled a little being within 4deg to Sun > > and with Sun.. > > In venus antra,involvement in a relationship > > cant be denied.Sat and Mars become strong taking points > > from Mer and Moon respectively. > > > > While taking Virgo lagna,Sun and Venus can give marriage. > > I may be wrong but members can correct me. > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Balasubramanian <yenbeeyes wrote: > > Dear Ash and list members, > > > > I was going through the post 'attraction' in the forum. I give below >2 charts which ended up in marriage. Boy is a Hindu and the girl is a >Russian. I would request Ash and other members to see whether my >reasoning is correct. > > > > Boy's Data: 04th January, 1978; TOB: 22:42: Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > Long: 77 E 26; Lat: 8 N 10; Ayanamsa used: 22:39:38 > > > > Girl's Data: 02nd February, 1979; TOB: 16:15: Time Zone: EET -2.00 > > Long: 28 E 38; Lat: 53 N 17; Ayanamsa used: 22:40:33 > > > > About Attraction: If we overlap the charts - > > > > In Rasi Chart: > > 1. Saturn of Male conjojns Saturn of Female. > > 2. Rahu of Male aspects Mars of Female. > > 3. Mars of Male aspects Mars of Female. > > 4. Rahu of female aspects Venus. > > > > In the Navamsa Chart > > 1. Saturn of Male conjoins Mars of Female. > > 2. Rahu of Male conjoins Mars of Female. > > 3. Mars of Male aspects Venus of Female. > > 4. Mars of Male aspects Mars of Female. > > 5. Moon of Female and Sun of Male aspect each other (For friendship) > > > > So relationship between Venus with Rahu in the male's chart,Mars >with Rahu in both the charts and Mars with Saturn in female chart is >established. > > Relationship of Mars and Venus is in femlae chart only. > > Sun annd Moon relationship is also only in female chart. > > > > Timing of friendship: > > > > 5th house is the house of friendship. In both the charts Jupiter has >the highest points in the WS for 5th house. > > > > The couple informed that they got into friendship around middle of 2003. > > > > Girl was having Antara of Ketu from 14.05.2003 to 13.07.2004 > > Boy was having Antara of Venus from 03.09.2001 to 02.11.2004 > > > > Ketu in Girl's chart should give effects of Jupiter as he is in his >constellation or Saturn in whose house he is placed. > > In boy's chart there is only aspect of Jupiter from house 'C' on Venus. > > > > My little knowledge is unable to corelate this. Can any one explain >the samee ? > > > > Other Points: > > > > Actual marriage took place on 21st August 2004 in Foreign country - >Belarus. > > > > Girl was running Antara of Sun : 13.07.2004 to 31.10.2004. Sun is >having the lowest points in WS for 7th house. > > Boy was running Antara of Venus: 03.09.2001 to 02.11.2004. Venus is >having the lowest points in WS for 7th house. > > > > In Girl's chart Sun is with LOE-Mercury. Being Samdharmi to Mercury >who is having more than 12 points in WS of 7th house might have >brought about the marriage. > > > > In Boy's chart Sun is with venus in the 5th house. Hence being >Samdharmi to Sun who has 16 points in the WS of 7th house he might >have triggered the marriage. > > > > Other than this I am unable to find out any reason for the timing of >marriage. > > > > What other points are to be seen? > > > > If we see the PDF the combination of planets -denoting the >significance- are Moon and Mercury during 3rd Aug to 16th Aug and Sun >and Ketu during 17th Aug. to 30th Aug. > > > > The distance between Venus and Sun is less than 43 degree (around 36 >degree). But Venus is in Mula Nakshatra. So it gets spoiled. (or is it >to be taken only when the distance is more than 43 degree). However >there is no aspect of either Jupiter or Saturn on Venus. > > And also Jupiter is in Libra Navamsa - What would be the outcome of >this ? > > > > Also there is an aspect of 6th lord (Saturn in boy's chart and >Jupiter in girl's chart) aspecting the 7th house. > > > > The Ascendant of the boy has 33 points and the Girl has only 22 >points SAV. > > > > The combinations of Lord of Lagna, Moon and Sun plus the lord of 7th > from them - for the girl it is more than 50 and the boy it is only 40. > > > > Does all these indicate any trouble in the married life ? > > > > Message for Mr. Ash: > > > > I am still going through the Archives. Oh! What a store of >information it has. In the meantime, I got this horoscope for >analysis. The doubts that I got I have mentioned above. Kindly clarify. > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. >Try it now. > > > > > _____ > >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try ><http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http:/mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H >DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > > > _____ > >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try ><http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http:/mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H >DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > > > _____ > >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try ><http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http:/mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H >DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh, Ash has explained so well. So nothing left simply. Please go through Krushna's FAQ Corner and then study Karkas : Natural & Functional. Everything will be clear. The FK is more powerful than NK. Regards Anup nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur wrote: 05.05.2008Sub: Functional Karak / Natural KarakDear Group Members, I am a silent member of the group mainly because of professional work load. But I read most of the mails on this forum.Here I wish to express one of my queries, the answer to which may be lying in the Archieves. But can any one with enhanced experience now, throw some light on it.Query: How does NK and FK differ from the point of view of giving results?If someone is running an AD of any planet which is either FK or NK then how does the result differ if it is NK from the result if that planet is FK for the same house.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Sun, 04 May 2008 Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca wrote :>Dear Anup,>>When there exist a 1:7 between NSD planets i.e. Sa and Ve and Ma and Mo or>Ma and Su then in that case they cease to become NSD.>>Now lets say Sa and Ve are in 1:7 in rasi or navamsa but Sa is in navamsa of>venus and venus is in navamsa of sa then they will cease to act as NSD but>will become FSD. I hope its clear.>>Cheers !!!>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca>> >[ ] On Behalf Of Anup. M>Sunday May 4, 2008 1:32 PM> >RE: Re: Love marriage-attraction>>Dear Ash,>>Admiited that both Venus and Mer have touch>of each other,but Ash,what about opposition in navamsa>of Venus and Mer asper KAS rules?>>Are not they sld be treated enemies of each other and can oppose>each other for timing of events as well?>>Its new concept,nobody is participating though,but>i wanna learn differently also.>>Regards>Anup>>>>>"Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca" <kas wrote:>Dear Anup,>No Anup, here I was seeing it from different angle. Yes, u are correct when>you say that Ve is in navamsa of Me so Ve is SD to Me , means Ve can step in>for Me. Here Mercury is eager and this will make Ve eager as well, but here>Ve itself is malefic for 7th house so as far as timing goes, it becomes>eager to furnish the timing but quality is different, so here, in this case,>marriage in low points means.............>Cheers !!!>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> >[ ] On Behalf Of Anup. M>Sunday May 4, 2008 1:12 PM> >RE: Re: Love marriage-attraction>Dear Ash,>Here Venus can step in for Mer and not Mer for Venus>if i am not wrong.So in Venus antra,Mer can not stepin>as per archives.>Also Venus is opposing mercury in navamsa.>Plz guide us.>Regards>Anup>>"Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca" <kas wrote:>Dear Anup,>Ve is in navamsa of Virgo thereby making it SD to Me.>Cheers !!!>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> >[ ] On Behalf Of Anup. M>Sunday May 4, 2008 12:55 PM> >RE: Re: Love marriage-attraction>Dear Ash,>I am getting Asc26 Le 28>Venus is opposing Mer in navamsa.>So Venus cant be SD to Mer.>Plz correct me.>Regards>Anup>>>"Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca" <kas wrote:>Dear Bala,>I went though both charts, however, I would to ask if the girl's chart is>correct?>Yes, one thing to note in both cases is that marriage is happening in lowest>points. In the girl's chart with the current data, all our laws for>multiple marriages or unhappy marriage are applicable. Venus to Sun is 46,>Ve in moola, Sun in 7th, Ju in libra, also Ju is 6th lord and its aspecting>7th house and 2nd lord too etc etc. Here also to note that lagna and 7th>are in 5:9 in both rasi. In both cases, Mars has become very powerful.>In the boy's chart there is delay due to Sa and moderated and there is 1>zero due to Sa too. So say delay is 29 and moderated to 25 and that time Ve>antra was running. Ve is SD to Me who is in House D with 6 bindus so eager,>thereby making Venus eager to deliver, however Venus itself is weak. So>here marriage is in low power planet.>Now, as per our laws, if marriage happens in low points then it breaks in>high power planet. Now, also one more point to note that these laws are>based on Indian society so they have to be translated in accordance.>Now, due to attraction, the couple might have come close together, and in>Boys chart its in Ve antra, and Ve is LoE for 5th and placed in House E for>12th with more points thereby making it eager.>Also in many cases when the couple do not have children then also marriage>happen in low points.>Note: In the girls chart, DBCE points are rising from Sun, Ju is in libra,>Ju is aspecting 2nd and 7th lord/ house, Ve is moola, and there is delay due>to Saturn and Sun is in 7th house. These things shows multiple marriages or>relations.>What is their status currently Bala, regarding happiness in marriage or>children?>Cheers !!!>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> >[ ] On Behalf Of>Balasubramanian>Sunday May 4, 2008 10:48 AM> > Re: Love marriage-attraction>Dear Anup,>>I note your points. Position of Lagna as indicated by you is correct.>The native (male) informed me that his grandfather himself is an>Astrologer and that the birth time can never be wrong.>>All other points mentioned by you are noted by me. As you said let me>wait till other members respond.>>Bala>> ><%40> , "Anup. M"><dalh_1 wrote:> >> > Dear Bala and List,> >> > You have attempted this in nice way applying KAS> > and its rules.I wld like to write few words in this context,> > while going thru your mail.> >> > I am getting Asc 26 Le 28 for male chart.> > There is Saturn delay moderated/nullify by Jup aspect on> > Sat in navamsa.> > Venus the natural Karka and Mer,the FK both are> > debiliated in Navamsa.> > 1st house have 33pts as compared to 20 in 7th house.> >> > Marriage happened in Aug2004 in Venus antra.> > Venus aspects house C.> > So how marriage happened in Venus antra?> > Sun being SD can not step in for Venus here.> >> > Venus is spoiled a little being within 4deg to Sun> > and with Sun..> > In venus antra,involvement in a relationship> > cant be denied.Sat and Mars become strong taking points> > from Mer and Moon respectively.> >> > While taking Virgo lagna,Sun and Venus can give marriage.> > I may be wrong but members can correct me.> >> > Regards> > Anup> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Balasubramanian <yenbeeyes wrote:> > Dear Ash and list members,> >> > I was going through the post 'attraction' in the forum. I give below>2 charts which ended up in marriage. Boy is a Hindu and the girl is a>Russian. I would request Ash and other members to see whether my>reasoning is correct.> >> > Boy's Data: 04th January, 1978; TOB: 22:42: Time Zone: IST -5:30> > Long: 77 E 26; Lat: 8 N 10; Ayanamsa used: 22:39:38> >> > Girl's Data: 02nd February, 1979; TOB: 16:15: Time Zone: EET -2.00> > Long: 28 E 38; Lat: 53 N 17; Ayanamsa used: 22:40:33> >> > About Attraction: If we overlap the charts -> >> > In Rasi Chart:> > 1. Saturn of Male conjojns Saturn of Female.> > 2. Rahu of Male aspects Mars of Female.> > 3. Mars of Male aspects Mars of Female.> > 4. Rahu of female aspects Venus.> >> > In the Navamsa Chart> > 1. Saturn of Male conjoins Mars of Female.> > 2. Rahu of Male conjoins Mars of Female.> > 3. Mars of Male aspects Venus of Female.> > 4. Mars of Male aspects Mars of Female.> > 5. Moon of Female and Sun of Male aspect each other (For friendship)> >> > So relationship between Venus with Rahu in the male's chart,Mars>with Rahu in both the charts and Mars with Saturn in female chart is>established.> > Relationship of Mars and Venus is in femlae chart only.> > Sun annd Moon relationship is also only in female chart.> >> > Timing of friendship:> >> > 5th house is the house of friendship. In both the charts Jupiter has>the highest points in the WS for 5th house.> >> > The couple informed that they got into friendship around middle of 2003.> >> > Girl was having Antara of Ketu from 14.05.2003 to 13.07.2004> > Boy was having Antara of Venus from 03.09.2001 to 02.11.2004> >> > Ketu in Girl's chart should give effects of Jupiter as he is in his>constellation or Saturn in whose house he is placed.> > In boy's chart there is only aspect of Jupiter from house 'C' on Venus.> >> > My little knowledge is unable to corelate this. Can any one explain>the samee ?> >> > Other Points:> >> > Actual marriage took place on 21st August 2004 in Foreign country ->Belarus.> >> > Girl was running Antara of Sun : 13.07.2004 to 31.10.2004. Sun is>having the lowest points in WS for 7th house.> > Boy was running Antara of Venus: 03.09.2001 to 02.11.2004. Venus is>having the lowest points in WS for 7th house.> >> > In Girl's chart Sun is with LOE-Mercury. Being Samdharmi to Mercury>who is having more than 12 points in WS of 7th house might have>brought about the marriage.> >> > In Boy's chart Sun is with venus in the 5th house. Hence being>Samdharmi to Sun who has 16 points in the WS of 7th house he might>have triggered the marriage.> >> > Other than this I am unable to find out any reason for the timing of>marriage.> >> > What other points are to be seen?> >> > If we see the PDF the combination of planets -denoting the>significance- are Moon and Mercury during 3rd Aug to 16th Aug and Sun>and Ketu during 17th Aug. to 30th Aug.> >> > The distance between Venus and Sun is less than 43 degree (around 36>degree). But Venus is in Mula Nakshatra. So it gets spoiled. (or is it>to be taken only when the distance is more than 43 degree). However>there is no aspect of either Jupiter or Saturn on Venus.> > And also Jupiter is in Libra Navamsa - What would be the outcome of>this ?> >> > Also there is an aspect of 6th lord (Saturn in boy's chart and>Jupiter in girl's chart) aspecting the 7th house.> >> > The Ascendant of the boy has 33 points and the Girl has only 22>points SAV.> >> > The combinations of Lord of Lagna, Moon and Sun plus the lord of 7th> from them - for the girl it is more than 50 and the boy it is only 40.> >> > Does all these indicate any trouble in the married life ?> >> > Message for Mr. Ash:> >> > I am still going through the Archives. Oh! What a store of>information it has. In the meantime, I got this horoscope for>analysis. The doubts that I got I have mentioned above. Kindly clarify.> >> >> > Bala> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.>Try it now.> >>>> _____>>Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Sub: FK / NK gives status. Dear Ash & Hello Group Members, Yes the distinction is very much clear. Thanks for the clarification. FK & NK gives the status and not the result. House A and LOA also give the status of the work. It means that House A, LOA, FK & NK are all related to the Quality aspect of the work. If someone gets a job change in a particular AD it could be that he/she might not get a good change if the FK and NK of that house ( I think B=6th house for job change) has low points ( < 12). Alternatively, does it also mean that if you are not running the AD of the FK or NK planet then that work, even if accomplished due to certain other planetary combinations or due to the promotion by their SD planets, is not of the quality which is desired (or expected) by the native. In other words if FK & NK provide the status then does it mean that the best quality result are obtained only when the native is passing through their AD's. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Mon, 05 May 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : >Dear Nikhlesh, > >I am happy that you have begun posting your queries. > >NK and FK do not give results. The Karaks i.e House A and Lord of A, >control the status of House B. > >As far as timing of result is concerned we can get from the WS, but the >status is controlled by House A and LoA or FK and NK (which is from >kalpurush chart). > >Eager planets for timing of events are LoD and LoE and Planets in House D >and E with more than 4 points. > >Just as an analogy, if someone ask's you a question, when will I purchase a >car or property, then you can find the timing of event using the WS, but the >status of it, will be controlled by FK and NK so it might be a Nano or a >SL500 Mercedez that is the status. > >Say, if Venus is spoilt, so will be the result of Marriage. Here Venus is >natural 2nd lord i.e. lord of Taurus. > >So I hope this important distinction is clear. > >FK is one step ahead of NK. > > >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh >mathur >Monday May 5, 2008 3:59 AM > >Re: RE: FK & NK > > > > >05.05.2008 >Sub: Functional Karak / Natural Karak > >Dear Group Members, > > I am a silent member of the group mainly because of >professional work load. But I read most of the mails on this forum. > >Here I wish to express one of my queries, the answer to which may be lying >in the Archieves. But can any one with enhanced experience now, throw some >light on it. > >Query: How does NK and FK differ from the point of view of giving results? >If someone is running an AD of any planet which is either FK or NK then how >does the result differ if it is NK from the result if that planet is FK for >the same house. > >Regards, >Nikhlesh Mathur > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh and Anup, In our KAS, we are considering that. Just think over it, what we say for MD in KAS, how is that considered. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur wrote: > > > Sub: FK / NK gives status. > Dear Ash & Hello Group Members, > > Yes the distinction is very much clear. Thanks for the clarification. > > FK & NK gives the status and not the result. House A and LOA also give the status of the work. > > It means that House A, LOA, FK & NK are all related to the Quality aspect of the work. > > If someone gets a job change in a particular AD it could be that he/she might not get a good change if the FK and NK of that house ( I think B=6th house for job change) has low points ( < 12). > > Alternatively, does it also mean that if you are not running the AD of the FK or NK planet then that work, even if accomplished due to certain other planetary combinations or due to the promotion by their SD planets, is not of the quality which is desired (or expected) by the native. > > In other words if FK & NK provide the status then does it mean that the best quality result are obtained only when the native is passing through their AD's. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > On Mon, 05 May 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : > >Dear Nikhlesh, > > > >I am happy that you have begun posting your queries. > > > >NK and FK do not give results. The Karaks i.e House A and Lord of A, > >control the status of House B. > > > >As far as timing of result is concerned we can get from the WS, but the > >status is controlled by House A and LoA or FK and NK (which is from > >kalpurush chart). > > > >Eager planets for timing of events are LoD and LoE and Planets in House D > >and E with more than 4 points. > > > >Just as an analogy, if someone ask's you a question, when will I purchase a > >car or property, then you can find the timing of event using the WS, but the > >status of it, will be controlled by FK and NK so it might be a Nano or a > >SL500 Mercedez that is the status. > > > >Say, if Venus is spoilt, so will be the result of Marriage. Here Venus is > >natural 2nd lord i.e. lord of Taurus. > > > >So I hope this important distinction is clear. > > > >FK is one step ahead of NK. > > > > > >Cheers !!! > >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh > >mathur > >Monday May 5, 2008 3:59 AM > > > >Re: RE: FK & NK > > > > > > > > > >05.05.2008 > >Sub: Functional Karak / Natural Karak > > > >Dear Group Members, > > > > I am a silent member of the group mainly because of > >professional work load. But I read most of the mails on this forum. > > > >Here I wish to express one of my queries, the answer to which may be lying > >in the Archieves. But can any one with enhanced experience now, throw some > >light on it. > > > >Query: How does NK and FK differ from the point of view of giving results? > >If someone is running an AD of any planet which is either FK or NK then how > >does the result differ if it is NK from the result if that planet is FK for > >the same house. > > > >Regards, > >Nikhlesh Mathur > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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