Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 07.10.2008 Dear Group Members, A very happy Dusshera to you all...... For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known marriage date and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well known to me. I request the members to try the same....... Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9 Sg 39 Known facts: Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother Marriage took place on 08.11.1981 Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child. Question : Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories. Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted in late Feb 1996). My Analysis: 1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for marriage. It is lord of A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In Navansh Sa sees LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime back, we do not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by Sa. 2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa) of Natal chart by its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together. 3. So there are delays both from Sa & Ju. Sa is 4.Li.26(Libra). 4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived in Virgo in the transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This occurred on 17.07.1980. So native’s marriage talks must have gathered momentum after that. 5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage (apart from Ma & Ve being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is marriage is not seen good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate) or 2:12 (tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be assumed that some void may be there. 6. At that time the native was passing through the AD of Ve in the MD of Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed with Ma. It has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK from both Sun & Moon. Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and this Ma is LoE from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of Sa was over it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So the native got engaged in March 1981. 7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD of Ve (ie before May 1981) probably because; i) Certain voids are observed in native’s married life and Ve has high points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage in high power planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into account Ve points get decreased to less than 12. ii) Secondly, Jupiter’s delay is also to be added to Sa delay. Since 17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo. The delay by Ju came to be over when Ju entered Libra (Libra is 7th in Kal-purush kundali and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in Libra). Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on 8th Nov 1981. (There were no shortage of Mahurut’s during this interim period of March 1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me). 8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD was also of Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in the Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses A,B,C, come eagerly forward to complete the related event. 9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native got married in the AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married life. He could not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child ( in late Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of Mars. Here Ke should behave like Sa & Mo but more specifically like Sa) As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by this example. I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other laws (plus the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing. I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially pertaining to the delay factors of Sa & Ju. Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered Libra in transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when it entered Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. I think I am making some error in judging the end of the delay period by Sa & Ju. I need help here please………………………… Besides, I would also request the experienced KAS members to try & evaluate the chart as to why this person could not have a biological child and ultimately adopted one. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh ji, If you also have the chart of this native’s wife then please give that as well. For child birth both charts must be checked very carefully. Also the marriage time can be checked in wife’s chart too. That way you can also check by overlapping of charts the relation between Su, Mo for friendship and Ra, Sa with Ma and Ve. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur Tuesday October 7, 2008 9:33 AM To: Re: Re: RE: Known chart 07.10.2008 Dear Group Members, A very happy Dusshera to you all...... For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known marriage date and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well known to me. I request the members to try the same....... Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9 Sg 39 Known facts: Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother Marriage took place on 08.11.1981 Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child. Question : Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories. Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted in late Feb 1996). My Analysis: 1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for marriage. It is lord of A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In Navansh Sa sees LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime back, we do not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by Sa. 2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa) of Natal chart by its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together. 3. So there are delays both from Sa & Ju. Sa is 4.Li.26(Libra). 4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived in Virgo in the transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This occurred on 17.07.1980. So native’s marriage talks must have gathered momentum after that. 5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage (apart from Ma & Ve being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is marriage is not seen good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate) or 2:12 (tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be assumed that some void may be there. 6. At that time the native was passing through the AD of Ve in the MD of Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed with Ma. It has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK from both Sun & Moon. Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and this Ma is LoE from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of Sa was over it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So the native got engaged in March 1981. 7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD of Ve (ie before May 1981) probably because; i) Certain voids are observed in native’s married life and Ve has high points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage in high power planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into account Ve points get decreased to less than 12. ii) Secondly, Jupiter’s delay is also to be added to Sa delay. Since 17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo. The delay by Ju came to be over when Ju entered Libra (Libra is 7th in Kal-purush kundali and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in Libra). Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on 8th Nov 1981. (There were no shortage of Mahurut’s during this interim period of March 1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me). 8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD was also of Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in the Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses A,B,C, come eagerly forward to complete the related event. 9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native got married in the AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married life. He could not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child ( in late Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of Mars. Here Ke should behave like Sa & Mo but more specifically like Sa) As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by this example. I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other laws (plus the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing. I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially pertaining to the delay factors of Sa & Ju. Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered Libra in transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when it entered Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. I think I am making some error in judging the end of the delay period by Sa & Ju. I need help here please………………………… Besides, I would also request the experienced KAS members to try & evaluate the chart as to why this person could not have a biological child and ultimately adopted one. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh ji, One point I need to highlight. “8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD was also of Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in the Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses A,B,C, come eagerly forward to complete the related event.” You wrote that Mo is in 2nd house in Navamsa in House A of Navamsa Kundali. We do not see it that way. Mo is in 2nd house in Navamsa. House A, B and C are from Rasi. So here we can say that Mo is in own sign in Navamsa. House A B and C are 2nd, 7th and 11th in RASI. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur Tuesday October 7, 2008 9:33 AM To: Re: Re: RE: Known chart 07.10.2008 Dear Group Members, A very happy Dusshera to you all...... For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known marriage date and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well known to me. I request the members to try the same....... Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9 Sg 39 Known facts: Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother Marriage took place on 08.11.1981 Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child. Question : Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories. Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted in late Feb 1996). My Analysis: 1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for marriage. It is lord of A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In Navansh Sa sees LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime back, we do not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by Sa. 2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa) of Natal chart by its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together. 3. So there are delays both from Sa & Ju. Sa is 4.Li.26(Libra). 4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived in Virgo in the transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This occurred on 17.07.1980. So native’s marriage talks must have gathered momentum after that. 5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage (apart from Ma & Ve being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is marriage is not seen good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate) or 2:12 (tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be assumed that some void may be there. 6. At that time the native was passing through the AD of Ve in the MD of Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed with Ma. It has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK from both Sun & Moon. Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and this Ma is LoE from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of Sa was over it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So the native got engaged in March 1981. 7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD of Ve (ie before May 1981) probably because; i) Certain voids are observed in native’s married life and Ve has high points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage in high power planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into account Ve points get decreased to less than 12. ii) Secondly, Jupiter’s delay is also to be added to Sa delay. Since 17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo. The delay by Ju came to be over when Ju entered Libra (Libra is 7th in Kal-purush kundali and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in Libra). Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on 8th Nov 1981. (There were no shortage of Mahurut’s during this interim period of March 1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me). 8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD was also of Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in the Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses A,B,C, come eagerly forward to complete the related event. 9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native got married in the AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married life. He could not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child ( in late Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of Mars. Here Ke should behave like Sa & Mo but more specifically like Sa) As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by this example. I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other laws (plus the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing. I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially pertaining to the delay factors of Sa & Ju. Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered Libra in transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when it entered Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. I think I am making some error in judging the end of the delay period by Sa & Ju. I need help here please………………………… Besides, I would also request the experienced KAS members to try & evaluate the chart as to why this person could not have a biological child and ultimately adopted one. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Dear Ash ji, Thanks a lot Mr Ash for explaining the laws as a Master would do to a class of students. Just a couple of more questions on this subject matter;;;;;;;; 1. The more such aspcets of Blessings in the chart, the more are the Blessings............Is this true? 2. Even if a native has only one such aspect of blessings either in the natal or in the navansh or from Sun or from Moon, then we would consider the native to be blessed. 3. You said that the Karak control the status of House B. Does this means that if Karak is weak or is aspected by malefic planet then it will disturb the house B matters? In the exmaple if 10th lord is in 5th then it is understood that 3rd house matters will get badly affected. You also said that if 10th lord is in 5th then 10th house looses its status? What actually is meant by status here? Does it means that such a native will not have authority at his work place or his/her professional status be always low or in plain words he/she might not get high positions? Earnestly requesting to explain all of us to get our basics more clear. Thanks & Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : >Dear Nikhlesh ji, > >Mo is in Leo so Sun and Mars (Aries) are mo/9th. Now check where Su and Ma >are in navamsa. They are in 5:9. > >Same way Sun is in Pisces and 9th from pisces is Sco so Ma is 9th lord so >again Ju and Ma are in 5:9 in Rasi. Here Ju is also 6th lord so point has >to be kept in mind. > >Lagna and 9th lord of Navamsa are in 5:9 i.e. Sa and Me. > >Mo is also in Leo in Navamsa so again Su and Ma are in 5:9 in Navamsa. > >These are all standard laws, which we check for Lagna and 9th, we should >also check from Mo and Sun too. Its given in lessons that we should check >all things from Lagna and Sun and Moon. Also for example we are checking >lagna, sun and moon in Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa for intelligence so >we are considering all 3 to get total effect. > >So I hope this is clear. > > >Another point you have asked is about 10th lord in 5th house means in 8th >house from own house. So here this is overall effect and not pertaining to >some antra. Karak controls the status of House B. > >Now 10th lord by virtue of being in 8th house means 10th house as A is >effected, so it means results of 3rd house is B will get affected. This is >overall effect. It means 10th house is loosing its status. > >Regarding her looks etc, that is a whole different topic and Guru ji will >cover it in due course of time. So we can wait till then. > >Remainder part of Breathing problems and also of other things regarding 7th >and 8th house, if those can be checked it will be good. > >Both charts are showing problems, in male chart he married in low points and >in female chart she married in 6th lord antra (Ra=Ve and Ju). So it is in >line. > >Other things regarding her smartness, diplomacy and tack and also god >fearing and pooja etc are all in line. Those can be checked easily. > >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh >mathur >Saturday October 11, 2008 9:25 AM > >Re: RE: RE: RE: Known chart > > >Dear Ash ji, > > Your analysis clarified many fundamentals. I have noted >them separately in my notes file. Thanks a lot for the same. > >Now, I somehow could not understand the following; > >1. You said that the chart has blessing looking from the Moon chart. I >could not find it how. Infact from Moon chart the lord of Asc (Su) and lord >of 9th (Ma) are 3:11. Will this be a blessing? I am right now thinking that >only 5:9 relationship of Asc & 9th give the blessings. > >2. Can you please make us understand this blessing part once again? >In the above chart there are several aspects which are causing problem in >marriage life but the blessings are neutralizing all of them (except the >child part). > >The spouse of this lady is having good relations with the entire family of >this lady and is revered & called upon to finalize important discussions of >the lady's family members. This lady keeps the status of her spouse quite >high and takes good care and maintains good relationship with the members of >the spouse's family. > > >Meanwhile a general question erupted in my mind (not exactly related to this >chart) while understanding your analysis. > >1. Does it give problems pertaining to that house if the lord of A from >it is sitting in the house A itself. For example if lord of 10th is sitting >in the 5th house, then does it give problem to the 10th house matters in its >AD or even otherwise, or say if lord of 7th is sitting in the 2nd house then >does it give problem for marriage in general or its AD. T >hough I feel to have read about this, but at the moment I am missing it. >Can you please clarify? > >Coming back to this couple or rather this lady, I can share the following >information which is confirmed; > >1. The lady has a strange skin related problem where-in the face, hands >etc are covered with reddish patches (there is no itching in it). Her looks >are spoiled ( is it due to bad Ve ?) > >It is assumed to be a delayed reaction of some medicine because this lady >was on medicine of different types for years together(Allopathic, >Homeopathic, Ayurvedic and may be even on some provided by the pseudo >practitioners). This was all because she & her spouse were desperate to have >child and got into all sorts of advices without gaining anything from them. > >2. The lady does not have any other obvious disease or any kind of >illness (except some common problems of teeth). > >3. Yes, she is god-fearing, does her pooja rituals, and strongly >believes in astrology; she is a housewife. > >4. One significant thing is that one of her younger brother is >financially & status-wise very well while the other younger one has problems >in meeting both ends. > >Regards, > >Nikhlesh Mathur > > > >On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : > >Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > >This chart also has blessing as well. Ofcouse this would depend on exact > >data but in Navamsa there is a blessing. Also from Mo and Sun too. So > >there is blessing and in some cases 6th lord is involved afflicting the > >same. > > > >Now, there is delay as u have given and Ju cannot check it. At the same > >time here Ju is with 4 bindus but it is 6th lord. Now Such a Guru is with > >Sa in navamsa and its aspected by Ma too. These things will spoil Guru and > >then this might make the native more prone to cancer. > > > >Also this lady might have some breathing problems or asthma or something of > >that sort, if you can confirm it will be good learning. > > > >Now this Guru which is spoilt is aspecting 7th house and is also conjoining > >7th lord and 8th lord. This can give problems relating to these areas so >it > >might give some problems with her ovaries production or her Fallopian tubes > >or she might have something like a cystic fibrosis. > > > >This might cause some problems. In this chart 2nd lord is in 9th house >i.e. > >in 8th from 2nd house so it will definitely affect happiness of 7th house > >and also NK Venus is only 0.8 deg away from Sun and at same time being > >aspected by Saturn. > > > >Karak for conception is 6th house i..e 11th as B. We check both 5th and > >11th house for child birth. Here the status of 6th lord is spoilt as given > >above so this might cause problems with result of 11th house. > > > >Also another point to note is that the marriage was in Rahu period. Now Ra > >is SD to Ve and Ju. Ju is 6th lord. So here it will give marriage as its > >in House D but it can't give happiness as there is involvement of 6th lord. > >So here there is Timing v/s Quality too. So timing can happen and it did. > > > >Also one more point to note is that 6th lord is in 3rd house so that is > >karak sthan for 8th house and its lord Me is in 8th from 3rd. So this >might > >cause some problems with 8th house matters as well. Also 6th lord is > >conjoining 8th lord of Rasi in navamsa and on top of that the 6th lord has > >been further disturbed by Ma and Sa making it more malefic. > > > >6th lord is Ve and its SD to Ju who is also 6th lord. Here Ju is aspecting > >9th house thereby having enemity with 9th house so it will also act more > >like 6th lord. > > > >Here to both Karaks for marriage Su and Ve are both in SD to 6th lord as > >well. At same time Ve is too close to sun and aspected by Sa and Su is in > >8th from 2nd house as well. > > > >So all these things are pointing to less happiness in marital life but >there > >will not be a break in marriage due to blessings and also this lady is >smart > >and has also will believe in karmakand and puja and is god fearing. > > > >This is a good chart to study. > > > >I do understand that these matters are very personal and it might put >Nitish > >ji in an awkard position to ask these things. That said, if information >can > >be found then it will be good learning and can confirm all these findings. > > > >Thanks, > >Cheers !!! > >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh > >mathur > >Friday October 10, 2008 9:16 AM > > > >Re: RE: RE: Known chart > > > > > >10.10.08 > >Dear Group Members, > > > > Thanks to Mr Ash for his words on the case. > > > >I got the chart of the wife of this native ans did my analysis on it. > > > >It is as follows.......... > > > >We were discussing the marriage date and child adoption of this native > >(Native: Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9 > >Sg 39) > > > >Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother > >Marriage took place on 08.11.1981 > >Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child. > > > >For cross-verification we thought of checking the same with the birth > >details of this native's wife. > > > >Wife's birth details are: 11/04/1957, 13:44 hrs, 26.53.N, 75.50 E, Asc = > >22Cn 22 > > > > > >Analysis of marriage date: > > > >Sa is in 5th house in natal chart. So it is aspecting A,B,C and therefore > >causing full delay. Ju is seeing lord of A (Su) in natal chart. So there is > >delay of Ju also. > > > >There is no aspect of Ju on Sa. So Ju is not moderating the dealy. > > > >Sa is 21.Sc.40. So the delay of Sa will be over when Sa cross 21:40 degrees > >in Virgo. It did so on 18th Oct 1981 ( Is this right? I personally need to > >understand this concept again. Can anyone explain please). > > > >We see here that inspite of marriage fixation in March 1981, the event got > >extended to beyond Oct 1981. > > > >On 18th Oct 1981 the Ju was in Virgo and thus was casting its 5th eye on >the > >7th house. Interestingly the delay of Ju was also getting over > >simultaneously (Is this right to analyze like this....?). > > > >Ju was then in its last lap in Virgo. It moved on to Libra on 23rd Oct 1981 > >(7th house of Kal-Purush kundali). > > > >This lady got married on 8th Nov 1981 with the native: Male, 25.09.1953, > >13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0,Asc: 9 Sg 39). > > > > > >There is no zero in the chart. The lady got married in the AD of Rahu > >(sector-2). Rahu for her is acting more like Ve. > > > >Her Ve is LoD for her 7th house and has high points from Asc. The same Ve > >has low points for 7th from both Sun & Moon. > > > >Interestingly here her LoE is Me. This Me is SD to Ve because her Me is in > >the Nks of Ve. So Me (LoE here) must also have facilitated the event of > >marriage. > > > >Now the point to ponder upon is that she got married in AD of high power > >planet but her husband got married in the AD of low power planet for 7th > >house. > > > >Having said this, another point which is significant here is that the Ve of > >this lady is hardly 1 degree away from her Sun. So the natural qualities of > >Ve are totally spoiled (remember she & her husband do not have a biological > >child). > > > >Analysis for child: > > > >Taking B=5, A=12, C= 9, D=2, E=10, > >LoA = Me, LoB = Ma, LoC=Ju, LoD = Su, LoE= Me > > > >Sa is sitting in house B & is seeing house LoB. > >Ju is seeing LoB. > > > >These placements show delay in child birth. > > > >The Functional karak for child is Me which has good points for almost all > >the houses. Yes, it is aspected by Rahu in natal chart but at the same time > >Ju sees it in Navansh. > > > >The natural Karak for the child is Venus ( 12th house) which is also a >karak > >of the 7th house. For this lady the Ve is totally spoiled (due to extremely > >close proximity to Sun). > > > >This could be the single largest reason for her not being able to bear a > >child biologically. > > > >I could not see any medical related problem in this context. Apart from a > >very bad Venus I am not able to see any other reason for this lady being > >issueless. > > > >So is this a case where this lady could not bear the child only because of > >related medical problems in her spouse? > > > >I have a strong inkling for this. May be I will gather courage and ask the > >native someday sometime about this. > > > >Awaiting analysis and reasoning of other KAS group members, please..... > > > >Regards, > >Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > >On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : > > >Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > >Today Medical Advancements have become very good. Just think for child > > >birth we are studying 12th house as Karak. So what does that mean, it > >means > > >that 12th house is the Doer or say Natural means via mating. For that >one > > >must have a good 7th house i.e Root Karak. > > > > > >So the status of both these house must be studied as well. Guru is NK > >karak > > >for child birth and its also called putra karak and Venus is Karak for >12th > > >i.e. Natural 7th lord. > > > > > >So that is 1 aspect of things. Secondly, the health of the natives and >8th > > >house also becomes important. If those are spoilt then there can be > > >problems. > > > > > >Now, our basic law and u have noticed in this chart is that the marriage > > >happened in low points. So here the husband and wife might be getting > >along > > >well or might have good relationship, however the low points indicates > > >something. > > > > > >This shows that there is some problem. Now what sort of problem is >another > > >thing. I have mentioned about such charts in some earlier emails when > > >talking about marriage in low points. > > > > > >Now, for husband and wife to marry or say 2 people to marry then marriage > > >date must be shown in both charts or it should be same date correct? > > > > > >Same way, if say one in the couple has some problem then both charts will > > >indicate some problem so say, the marriage might be in low points. > > > > > >The power of understanding that when marriage happens in lowest points or > > >low points i.e. less than 12 in WS has a very deep meaning. You can go > >into > > >great detail using advanced portion of KAS, however for Timing of Event > >that > > >is not necessary. > > > > > >The wife's chart also must show problem. Now, unless the husband has >some > > >other relation for that there must be yog's and might have child with >some > > >other lady then it's a different matter and its better we do not probe >any > > >further. This I am saying in general and not for this particular case. > > > > > >However, the big thing is that this native married in lowest points and > > >there is not natural child. So as far as timing of events goes, things >are > > >in line. > > > > > >Now, the wife's chart can also be studied in detail. Both charts will be > >in > > >line. > > > > > >Such things can also be used in rectification of a chart as well. > > > > > >Cheers !!! > > >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh > > >mathur > > >Wednesday October 8, 2008 12:39 AM > > > > > >Re: RE: Known chart > > > > > > > > >Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > Surely I will get the chart of this native's wife and will >put > > >it in the forum sometime tomorrow after analyzing it myself. > > > > > >I have spoken to this native to given me the details. > > > > > >Now here, I have a question...... > > > > > >If the wife's chart also shows problems in bearing a biological child >then > > >it is clear that the couple might not have one. > > > > > >Now what happens if the wife's chart does NOT show any such indication? > > > > > >In other words, if the chart of only one partner shows that he/she is fit > > >for producing children then does the planetary placements of the other > > >partner helps or stops them from producing biological child? > > > > > >If that is so then this phenomenon becomes very important while we match > >the > > >charts for arranged marriages. > > > > > >I personally believe that the phases of MD & AD at the right age of both > > >partners are of great importance here when one partner is capable while >the > > >other is not so capable, as visible astrologically from their charts. > > > > > >Can I please have your words of wisdom on this facet. > > > > > >Regards, > > >Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > >On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : > > > >Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > >If you also have the chart of this native's wife then please give that >as > > > >well. For child birth both charts must be checked very carefully. > > > > > > > >Also the marriage time can be checked in wife's chart too. That way >you > > > >can also check by overlapping of charts the relation between Su, Mo for > > > >friendship and Ra, Sa with Ma and Ve. > > > > > > > >Cheers !!! > > > >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh > > > >mathur > > > >Tuesday October 7, 2008 9:33 AM > > > > > > > >Re: Re: RE: Known chart > > > > > > > > > > > >07.10.2008 > > > > > > > >Dear Group Members, > > > > > > > > A very happy Dusshera to you all...... > > > > > > > >For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known marriage > >date > > > >and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well known to > >me. > > > > > > > >I request the members to try the same....... > > > > > > > >Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, >Asc: > >9 > > > >Sg 39 > > > > > > > >Known facts: > > > >Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother > > > >Marriage took place on 08.11.1981 > > > >Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child. > > > > > > > >Question : > > > >Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories. > > > >Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted in > >late > > > >Feb 1996). > > > > > > > >My Analysis: > > > > > > > >1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for marriage. It is lord >of > > > >A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In Navansh Sa > >sees > > > >LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime back, we >do > > > >not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by Sa. > > > > > > > >2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa) of Natal chart >by > > > >its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together. > > > > > > > >3. So there are delays both from Sa & Ju. Sa is 4.Li.26(Libra). > > > > > > > >4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived in Virgo in the > > > >transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This >occurred > >on > > > >17.07.1980. So native's marriage talks must have gathered momentum >after > > > >that. > > > > > > > >5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage (apart from Ma & > >Ve > > > >being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is marriage is not > > >seen > > > >good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate) or >2:12 > > > >(tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be assumed >that > > > >some void may be there. > > > > > > > >6. At that time the native was passing through the AD of Ve in the >MD > >of > > > >Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed with Ma. >It > > > >has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK from both Sun & > > >Moon. > > > >Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and this Ma >is > > >LoE > > > > from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of Sa was > > >over > > > >it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So the > >native > > > >got engaged in March 1981. > > > > > > > >7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD of Ve (ie >before > > > >May 1981) probably because; > > > > > > > >i) Certain voids are observed in native's married life and Ve has >high > > > >points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage in high power > > > >planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into account Ve > > > >points get decreased to less than 12. > > > > > > > >ii) Secondly, Jupiter's delay is also to be added to Sa delay. Since > > > >17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo. The delay >by > >Ju > > > >came to be over when Ju entered Libra (Libra is 7th in Kal-purush >kundali > > > >and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in >Libra). > > > >Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on 8th >Nov > > > >1981. > > > > > > > >(There were no shortage of Mahurut's during this interim period of >March > > > >1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me). > > > > > > > >8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD was also of > > > >Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in the > > > >Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses A,B,C, > > >come > > > >eagerly forward to complete the related event. > > > > > > > >9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native got married in > >the > > > >AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married life. He > > >could > > > >not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child ( in > >late > > > >Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of Mars. Here Ke should behave like Sa > & > > >Mo > > > >but more specifically like Sa) > > > > > > > >As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by this > > > >example. > > > > > > > >I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other laws > >(plus > > > >the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing. > > > > > > > >I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially pertaining >to > > > >the delay factors of Sa & Ju. > > > >Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered Libra in > > > >transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when it >entered > > > >Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. I think I am making some > >error > > > >in judging the end of the delay period by Sa & Ju. > > > > > > > >I need help here please.......... > > > > > > > >Besides, I would also request the experienced KAS members to try & > >evaluate > > > >the chart as to why this person could not have a biological child and > > > >ultimately adopted one. > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > >Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ><http://adworks.rediff.com/cgi-bin/AdWorks/click.cgi/www.rediff.com/signatu > > >r > > > > > > >e-home.htm/1050715198@Middle5/2206641_2199021/2201649/1?PARTNER=3 & OAS_QUERY > > >= > > > >null> Rediff Shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ><http://adworks.rediff.com/cgi-bin/AdWorks/click.cgi/www.rediff.com/signatu > >r > > > >e-home.htm/1050715198@Middle5/2206641_2199021/2201650/1?PARTNER=3 & OAS_QUERY > >= > > >null> Rediff Shopping > > > > > > > > > > ><http://adworks.rediff.com/cgi-bin/AdWorks/click.cgi/www.rediff.com/signatu >r > >e-home.htm/1050715198@Middle5/2206641_2199021/2201649/1?PARTNER=3 & OAS_QUERY >= > >null> Rediff Shopping > > > > > ><http://adworks.rediff.com/cgi-bin/AdWorks/click.cgi/www.rediff.com/signatur >e-home.htm/1050715198@Middle5/2606998_2599290/2602379/1?PARTNER=3 & OAS_QUERY= >null> Black578x38_banner2.gif > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh ji, You are taking good interest in KAS and learning it from your heart, so I do not mind explaining infact, if even a few of you all learn, KAS well, this knowledge will remain nicely in this world and in safe hands. Rest of my answers below yours in Blue. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur Monday October 13, 2008 6:15 AM To: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: Known chart Dear Ash ji, Thanks a lot Mr Ash for explaining the laws as a Master would do to a class of students. Just a couple of more questions on this subject matter;;;;;;;; 1. The more such aspcets of Blessings in the chart, the more are the Blessings............Is this true? Ash: Blessings is good. It all acts to protect. A powerful blessing will always help. This in due course of time, when you solve many charts, this phenomenon will become clear. When you encounter such charts, just observe the life of the person or have a talk with them asking them their experiences and you will find so many things. Sometimes u might encounter so many problems in a chart, but the life still goes well. 2. Even if a native has only one such aspect of blessings either in the natal or in the navansh or from Sun or from Moon, then we would consider the native to be blessed. Ash: A Blessing is a Blessing. In my opinion infinite is infinite. Infinite + Infinite is still Infinite. 3. You said that the Karak control the status of House B. Does this means that if Karak is weak or is aspected by malefic planet then it will disturb the house B matters? In the exmaple if 10th lord is in 5th then it is understood that 3rd house matters will get badly affected. You also said that if 10th lord is in 5th then 10th house looses its status? What actually is meant by status here? Does it means that such a native will not have authority at his work place or his/her professional status be always low or in plain words he/she might not get high positions? Ash: If you read standard texts that are available then u will notice that everyone is taking 6th, 8th and 12th house as bad houses. In my opinion, the theory is correct but over time but the selection of house has been not correct. In KAS we say, 6th house is the Black hole so here we are taking 6th HOUSE OF THE CHART, then we are saying planet in 8th is not good, means PLANET IN 8TH FROM ITS OWN HOUSE and then Planet in 12th is not good means PLANET IN 12TH FROM OWN HOUSE is not good. So just think, If u were to say that in 1 line, wouldn’t u say planets in 6th, 8th and 12th are not good and it has been taken to be in chart. Now, in KAS we are taking planet in 12th house in Rasi as the best house means we are saying that the RESULTS of planets in the 12th house of the chart are enhanced. We are also saying that planets in 12th house from ANY HOUSE is not good. So 4th lord in 3rd, 9th lord in 8th , 7th lord in 6th etc etc. So here we are distinguishing Planet in 12th house of the Chart v/s Planet in 12th house from ITS OWN HOUSE. Planet in 8th house it is said is not good, Now if u just take RASI and lagna then LL in 8th house means LL is loosing status. So that is correct. Now if you take 3rd lord in 8th house i.e. Keeping 8th house FIXED means 8th house of RASI then how it is possible. 3rd lord in 8th house means its in its UPACHAYA sthan means its in the HOUSE OF GROWTH so how it can be bad? Now just think, if u say 3rd lord in 8th MEANS 8TH FROM 3RD , so that means 10th house then it makes sense. Also it will make sense if u say that 10th lord in 3rd means its GOOD for 10th house matters because 10th lord has gone into its UPACHAYA STAHAN so it will help GROW the 10th house significance means KARAK for 3rd has gone in Phal sthan. So 10th lord in 5th house is not good as its in 8TH FROM 10TH whereas 10th lord in 3rd house means its in 6th (upchaya) sthan from 10th is good. Another basic point is that if 6th house of the chart is taken to be worst then its opposite house i.e. 12th house will become the best. 1:7 denote opposite things. This is also the basics. So, here keep an open mind to understand this and then with practice these concepts will become clear. If you read some of the texts that are there in books with this understanding, so many things will become clear. The minute u FIX 8th and 12th house as constant in a chart then the meaning of upchaya will go away and by that I mean say 8th house, then 3rd lord in 8th is in 6th from 3rd, 6th lord in 8th means growth of 6th, 11th lord in 8th means House D or 10th house from 11th, 8th lord in 12th house means 8th house results are enhanced and in VA u are calling it VRY so like that. Same way for 12th house, for 7th house it is 6th house from it so house of growth, for 7th house. Now here it will become contradictory if u will say that 12th house of chart is BAD and also its UPCHAYA. Yes, 7th lord in 6th means in 12th from 7th is bad, and 2 folds, one it is in 12th from 7th and secondly its IN 6TH HOUSE of chart. Planets in 12th house of the chart are said to be enhanced and the opposite of that is the case when we say that planets in 6th house loose their property akin to being in the black hole. I think this will clarify the basics we are using in KAS. I think this will clear your doubts. Earnestly requesting to explain all of us to get our basics more clear. Thanks & Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : >Dear Nikhlesh ji, > >Mo is in Leo so Sun and Mars (Aries) are mo/9th. Now check where Su and Ma >are in navamsa. They are in 5:9. > >Same way Sun is in Pisces and 9th from pisces is Sco so Ma is 9th lord so >again Ju and Ma are in 5:9 in Rasi. Here Ju is also 6th lord so point has >to be kept in mind. > >Lagna and 9th lord of Navamsa are in 5:9 i.e. Sa and Me. > >Mo is also in Leo in Navamsa so again Su and Ma are in 5:9 in Navamsa. > >These are all standard laws, which we check for Lagna and 9th, we should >also check from Mo and Sun too. Its given in lessons that we should check >all things from Lagna and Sun and Moon. Also for example we are checking >lagna, sun and moon in Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa for intelligence so >we are considering all 3 to get total effect. > >So I hope this is clear. > > >Another point you have asked is about 10th lord in 5th house means in 8th >house from own house. So here this is overall effect and not pertaining to >some antra. Karak controls the status of House B. > >Now 10th lord by virtue of being in 8th house means 10th house as A is >effected, so it means results of 3rd house is B will get affected. This is >overall effect. It means 10th house is loosing its status. > >Regarding her looks etc, that is a whole different topic and Guru ji will >cover it in due course of time. So we can wait till then. > >Remainder part of Breathing problems and also of other things regarding 7th >and 8th house, if those can be checked it will be good. > >Both charts are showing problems, in male chart he married in low points and >in female chart she married in 6th lord antra (Ra=Ve and Ju). So it is in >line. > >Other things regarding her smartness, diplomacy and tack and also god >fearing and pooja etc are all in line. Those can be checked easily. > >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh >mathur >Saturday October 11, 2008 9:25 AM > >Re: RE: RE: RE: Known chart > > >Dear Ash ji, > > Your analysis clarified many fundamentals. I have noted >them separately in my notes file. Thanks a lot for the same. > >Now, I somehow could not understand the following; > >1. You said that the chart has blessing looking from the Moon chart. I >could not find it how. Infact from Moon chart the lord of Asc (Su) and lord >of 9th (Ma) are 3:11. Will this be a blessing? I am right now thinking that >only 5:9 relationship of Asc & 9th give the blessings. > >2. Can you please make us understand this blessing part once again? >In the above chart there are several aspects which are causing problem in >marriage life but the blessings are neutralizing all of them (except the >child part). > >The spouse of this lady is having good relations with the entire family of >this lady and is revered & called upon to finalize important discussions of >the lady's family members. This lady keeps the status of her spouse quite >high and takes good care and maintains good relationship with the members of >the spouse's family. > > >Meanwhile a general question erupted in my mind (not exactly related to this >chart) while understanding your analysis. > >1. Does it give problems pertaining to that house if the lord of A from >it is sitting in the house A itself. For example if lord of 10th is sitting >in the 5th house, then does it give problem to the 10th house matters in its >AD or even otherwise, or say if lord of 7th is sitting in the 2nd house then >does it give problem for marriage in general or its AD. T >hough I feel to have read about this, but at the moment I am missing it. >Can you please clarify? > >Coming back to this couple or rather this lady, I can share the following >information which is confirmed; > >1. The lady has a strange skin related problem where-in the face, hands >etc are covered with reddish patches (there is no itching in it). Her looks >are spoiled ( is it due to bad Ve ?) > >It is assumed to be a delayed reaction of some medicine because this lady >was on medicine of different types for years together(Allopathic, >Homeopathic, Ayurvedic and may be even on some provided by the pseudo >practitioners). This was all because she & her spouse were desperate to have >child and got into all sorts of advices without gaining anything from them. > >2. The lady does not have any other obvious disease or any kind of >illness (except some common problems of teeth). > >3. Yes, she is god-fearing, does her pooja rituals, and strongly >believes in astrology; she is a housewife. > >4. One significant thing is that one of her younger brother is >financially & status-wise very well while the other younger one has problems >in meeting both ends. > >Regards, > >Nikhlesh Mathur > > > >On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : > >Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > >This chart also has blessing as well. Ofcouse this would depend on exact > >data but in Navamsa there is a blessing. Also from Mo and Sun too. So > >there is blessing and in some cases 6th lord is involved afflicting the > >same. > > > >Now, there is delay as u have given and Ju cannot check it. At the same > >time here Ju is with 4 bindus but it is 6th lord. Now Such a Guru is with > >Sa in navamsa and its aspected by Ma too. These things will spoil Guru and > >then this might make the native more prone to cancer. > > > >Also this lady might have some breathing problems or asthma or something of > >that sort, if you can confirm it will be good learning. > > > >Now this Guru which is spoilt is aspecting 7th house and is also conjoining > >7th lord and 8th lord. This can give problems relating to these areas so >it > >might give some problems with her ovaries production or her Fallopian tubes > >or she might have something like a cystic fibrosis. > > > >This might cause some problems. In this chart 2nd lord is in 9th house >i.e. > >in 8th from 2nd house so it will definitely affect happiness of 7th house > >and also NK Venus is only 0.8 deg away from Sun and at same time being > >aspected by Saturn. > > > >Karak for conception is 6th house i..e 11th as B. We check both 5th and > >11th house for child birth. Here the status of 6th lord is spoilt as given > >above so this might cause problems with result of 11th house. > > > >Also another point to note is that the marriage was in Rahu period. Now Ra > >is SD to Ve and Ju. Ju is 6th lord. So here it will give marriage as its > >in House D but it can't give happiness as there is involvement of 6th lord. > >So here there is Timing v/s Quality too. So timing can happen and it did. > > > >Also one more point to note is that 6th lord is in 3rd house so that is > >karak sthan for 8th house and its lord Me is in 8th from 3rd. So this >might > >cause some problems with 8th house matters as well. Also 6th lord is > >conjoining 8th lord of Rasi in navamsa and on top of that the 6th lord has > >been further disturbed by Ma and Sa making it more malefic. > > > >6th lord is Ve and its SD to Ju who is also 6th lord. Here Ju is aspecting > >9th house thereby having enemity with 9th house so it will also act more > >like 6th lord. > > > >Here to both Karaks for marriage Su and Ve are both in SD to 6th lord as > >well. At same time Ve is too close to sun and aspected by Sa and Su is in > >8th from 2nd house as well. > > > >So all these things are pointing to less happiness in marital life but >there > >will not be a break in marriage due to blessings and also this lady is >smart > >and has also will believe in karmakand and puja and is god fearing. > > > >This is a good chart to study. > > > >I do understand that these matters are very personal and it might put >Nitish > >ji in an awkard position to ask these things. That said, if information >can > >be found then it will be good learning and can confirm all these findings. > > > >Thanks, > >Cheers !!! > >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh > >mathur > >Friday October 10, 2008 9:16 AM > > > >Re: RE: RE: Known chart > > > > > >10.10.08 > >Dear Group Members, > > > > Thanks to Mr Ash for his words on the case. > > > >I got the chart of the wife of this native ans did my analysis on it. > > > >It is as follows.......... > > > >We were discussing the marriage date and child adoption of this native > >(Native: Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9 > >Sg 39) > > > >Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother > >Marriage took place on 08.11.1981 > >Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child. > > > >For cross-verification we thought of checking the same with the birth > >details of this native's wife. > > > >Wife's birth details are: 11/04/1957, 13:44 hrs, 26.53.N, 75.50 E, Asc = > >22Cn 22 > > > > > >Analysis of marriage date: > > > >Sa is in 5th house in natal chart. So it is aspecting A,B,C and therefore > >causing full delay. Ju is seeing lord of A (Su) in natal chart. So there is > >delay of Ju also. > > > >There is no aspect of Ju on Sa. So Ju is not moderating the dealy. > > > >Sa is 21.Sc.40. So the delay of Sa will be over when Sa cross 21:40 degrees > >in Virgo. It did so on 18th Oct 1981 ( Is this right? I personally need to > >understand this concept again. Can anyone explain please). > > > >We see here that inspite of marriage fixation in March 1981, the event got > >extended to beyond Oct 1981. > > > >On 18th Oct 1981 the Ju was in Virgo and thus was casting its 5th eye on >the > >7th house. Interestingly the delay of Ju was also getting over > >simultaneously (Is this right to analyze like this....?). > > > >Ju was then in its last lap in Virgo. It moved on to Libra on 23rd Oct 1981 > >(7th house of Kal-Purush kundali). > > > >This lady got married on 8th Nov 1981 with the native: Male, 25.09.1953, > >13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0,Asc: 9 Sg 39). > > > > > >There is no zero in the chart. The lady got married in the AD of Rahu > >(sector-2). Rahu for her is acting more like Ve. > > > >Her Ve is LoD for her 7th house and has high points from Asc. The same Ve > >has low points for 7th from both Sun & Moon. > > > >Interestingly here her LoE is Me. This Me is SD to Ve because her Me is in > >the Nks of Ve. So Me (LoE here) must also have facilitated the event of > >marriage. > > > >Now the point to ponder upon is that she got married in AD of high power > >planet but her husband got married in the AD of low power planet for 7th > >house. > > > >Having said this, another point which is significant here is that the Ve of > >this lady is hardly 1 degree away from her Sun. So the natural qualities of > >Ve are totally spoiled (remember she & her husband do not have a biological > >child). > > > >Analysis for child: > > > >Taking B=5, A=12, C= 9, D=2, E=10, > >LoA = Me, LoB = Ma, LoC=Ju, LoD = Su, LoE= Me > > > >Sa is sitting in house B & is seeing house LoB. > >Ju is seeing LoB. > > > >These placements show delay in child birth. > > > >The Functional karak for child is Me which has good points for almost all > >the houses. Yes, it is aspected by Rahu in natal chart but at the same time > >Ju sees it in Navansh. > > > >The natural Karak for the child is Venus ( 12th house) which is also a >karak > >of the 7th house. For this lady the Ve is totally spoiled (due to extremely > >close proximity to Sun). > > > >This could be the single largest reason for her not being able to bear a > >child biologically. > > > >I could not see any medical related problem in this context. Apart from a > >very bad Venus I am not able to see any other reason for this lady being > >issueless. > > > >So is this a case where this lady could not bear the child only because of > >related medical problems in her spouse? > > > >I have a strong inkling for this. May be I will gather courage and ask the > >native someday sometime about this. > > > >Awaiting analysis and reasoning of other KAS group members, please..... > > > >Regards, > >Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > >On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : > > >Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > >Today Medical Advancements have become very good. Just think for child > > >birth we are studying 12th house as Karak. So what does that mean, it > >means > > >that 12th house is the Doer or say Natural means via mating. For that >one > > >must have a good 7th house i.e Root Karak. > > > > > >So the status of both these house must be studied as well. Guru is NK > >karak > > >for child birth and its also called putra karak and Venus is Karak for >12th > > >i.e. Natural 7th lord. > > > > > >So that is 1 aspect of things. Secondly, the health of the natives and >8th > > >house also becomes important. If those are spoilt then there can be > > >problems. > > > > > >Now, our basic law and u have noticed in this chart is that the marriage > > >happened in low points. So here the husband and wife might be getting > >along > > >well or might have good relationship, however the low points indicates > > >something. > > > > > >This shows that there is some problem. Now what sort of problem is >another > > >thing. I have mentioned about such charts in some earlier emails when > > >talking about marriage in low points. > > > > > >Now, for husband and wife to marry or say 2 people to marry then marriage > > >date must be shown in both charts or it should be same date correct? > > > > > >Same way, if say one in the couple has some problem then both charts will > > >indicate some problem so say, the marriage might be in low points. > > > > > >The power of understanding that when marriage happens in lowest points or > > >low points i.e. less than 12 in WS has a very deep meaning. You can go > >into > > >great detail using advanced portion of KAS, however for Timing of Event > >that > > >is not necessary. > > > > > >The wife's chart also must show problem. Now, unless the husband has >some > > >other relation for that there must be yog's and might have child with >some > > >other lady then it's a different matter and its better we do not probe >any > > >further. This I am saying in general and not for this particular case. > > > > > >However, the big thing is that this native married in lowest points and > > >there is not natural child. So as far as timing of events goes, things >are > > >in line. > > > > > >Now, the wife's chart can also be studied in detail. Both charts will be > >in > > >line. > > > > > >Such things can also be used in rectification of a chart as well. > > > > > >Cheers !!! > > >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh > > >mathur > > >Wednesday October 8, 2008 12:39 AM > > > > > >Re: RE: Known chart > > > > > > > > >Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > Surely I will get the chart of this native's wife and will >put > > >it in the forum sometime tomorrow after analyzing it myself. > > > > > >I have spoken to this native to given me the details. > > > > > >Now here, I have a question...... > > > > > >If the wife's chart also shows problems in bearing a biological child >then > > >it is clear that the couple might not have one. > > > > > >Now what happens if the wife's chart does NOT show any such indication? > > > > > >In other words, if the chart of only one partner shows that he/she is fit > > >for producing children then does the planetary placements of the other > > >partner helps or stops them from producing biological child? > > > > > >If that is so then this phenomenon becomes very important while we match > >the > > >charts for arranged marriages. > > > > > >I personally believe that the phases of MD & AD at the right age of both > > >partners are of great importance here when one partner is capable while >the > > >other is not so capable, as visible astrologically from their charts. > > > > > >Can I please have your words of wisdom on this facet. > > > > > >Regards, > > >Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > >On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : > > > >Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > >If you also have the chart of this native's wife then please give that >as > > > >well. For child birth both charts must be checked very carefully. > > > > > > > >Also the marriage time can be checked in wife's chart too. That way >you > > > >can also check by overlapping of charts the relation between Su, Mo for > > > >friendship and Ra, Sa with Ma and Ve. > > > > > > > >Cheers !!! > > > >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh > > > >mathur > > > >Tuesday October 7, 2008 9:33 AM > > > > > > > >Re: Re: RE: Known chart > > > > > > > > > > > >07.10.2008 > > > > > > > >Dear Group Members, > > > > > > > > A very happy Dusshera to you all...... > > > > > > > >For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known marriage > >date > > > >and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well known to > >me. > > > > > > > >I request the members to try the same....... > > > > > > > >Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, >Asc: > >9 > > > >Sg 39 > > > > > > > >Known facts: > > > >Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother > > > >Marriage took place on 08.11.1981 > > > >Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child. > > > > > > > >Question : > > > >Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories. > > > >Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted in > >late > > > >Feb 1996). > > > > > > > >My Analysis: > > > > > > > >1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for marriage. It is lord >of > > > >A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In Navansh Sa > >sees > > > >LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime back, we >do > > > >not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by Sa. > > > > > > > >2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa) of Natal chart >by > > > >its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together. > > > > > > > >3. So there are delays both from Sa & Ju. Sa is 4.Li.26(Libra). > > > > > > > >4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived in Virgo in the > > > >transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This >occurred > >on > > > >17.07.1980. So native's marriage talks must have gathered momentum >after > > > >that. > > > > > > > >5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage (apart from Ma & > >Ve > > > >being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is marriage is not > > >seen > > > >good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate) or >2:12 > > > >(tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be assumed >that > > > >some void may be there. > > > > > > > >6. At that time the native was passing through the AD of Ve in the >MD > >of > > > >Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed with Ma. >It > > > >has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK from both Sun & > > >Moon. > > > >Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and this Ma >is > > >LoE > > > > from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of Sa was > > >over > > > >it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So the > >native > > > >got engaged in March 1981. > > > > > > > >7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD of Ve (ie >before > > > >May 1981) probably because; > > > > > > > >i) Certain voids are observed in native's married life and Ve has >high > > > >points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage in high power > > > >planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into account Ve > > > >points get decreased to less than 12. > > > > > > > >ii) Secondly, Jupiter's delay is also to be added to Sa delay. Since > > > >17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo. The delay >by > >Ju > > > >came to be over when Ju entered Libra (Libra is 7th in Kal-purush >kundali > > > >and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in >Libra). > > > >Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on 8th >Nov > > > >1981. > > > > > > > >(There were no shortage of Mahurut's during this interim period of >March > > > >1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me). > > > > > > > >8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD was also of > > > >Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in the > > > >Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses A,B,C, > > >come > > > >eagerly forward to complete the related event. > > > > > > > >9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native got married in > >the > > > >AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married life. He > > >could > > > >not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child ( in > >late > > > >Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of Mars. Here Ke should behave like Sa > & > > >Mo > > > >but more specifically like Sa) > > > > > > > >As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by this > > > >example. > > > > > > > >I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other laws > >(plus > > > >the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing. > > > > > > > >I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially pertaining >to > > > >the delay factors of Sa & Ju. > > > >Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered Libra in > > > >transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when it >entered > > > >Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. 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