RE: Known chart

October 7, 2008

Dear Ash ji,

Surely I will get the chart of this native's wife and will put it in the forum sometime tomorrow after analyzing it myself.

I have spoken to this native to given me the details.

Now here, I have a question......

If the wife's chart also shows problems in bearing a biological child then it is clear that the couple might not have one.

Now what happens if the wife's chart does NOT show any such indication?

In other words, if the chart of only one partner shows that he/she is fit for producing children then does the planetary placements of the other partner helps or stops them from producing biological child?

If that is so then this phenomenon becomes very important while we match the charts for arranged marriages.

I personally believe that the phases of MD & AD at the right age of both partners are of great importance here when one partner is capable while the other is not so capable, as visible astrologically from their charts.

Can I please have your words of wisdom on this facet.

Regards,

Nikhlesh Mathur

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

>Dear Nikhlesh ji,

>

>If you also have the chart of this native's wife then please give that as

>well. For child birth both charts must be checked very carefully.

>

>Also the marriage time can be checked in wife's chart too. That way you

>can also check by overlapping of charts the relation between Su, Mo for

>friendship and Ra, Sa with Ma and Ve.

>

>Cheers !!!

>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> On Behalf Of nikhlesh

>mathur

>Tuesday October 7, 2008 9:33 AM

>

>Re: Re: RE: Known chart

>

>07.10.2008

>

>Dear Group Members,

>

> A very happy Dusshera to you all......

>

>For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known marriage date

>and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well known to me.

>

>I request the members to try the same.......

>

>Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9

>Sg 39

>

>Known facts:

>Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother

>Marriage took place on 08.11.1981

>Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.

>

>Question :

>Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories.

>Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted in late

>Feb 1996).

>

>My Analysis:

>

>1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for marriage. It is lord of

>A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In Navansh Sa sees

>LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime back, we do

>not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by Sa.

>

>2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa) of Natal chart by

>its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together.

>

>3. So there are delays both from Sa & Ju. Sa is 4.Li.26(Libra).

>

>4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived in Virgo in the

>transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This occurred on

>17.07.1980. So native's marriage talks must have gathered momentum after

>that.

>

>5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage (apart from Ma & Ve

>being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is marriage is not seen

>good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate) or 2:12

>(tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be assumed that

>some void may be there.

>

>6. At that time the native was passing through the AD of Ve in the MD of

>Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed with Ma. It

>has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK from both Sun & Moon.

>Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and this Ma is LoE

> from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of Sa was over

>it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So the native

>got engaged in March 1981.

>

>7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD of Ve (ie before

>May 1981) probably because;

>

>i) Certain voids are observed in native's married life and Ve has high

>points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage in high power

>planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into account Ve

>points get decreased to less than 12.

>

>ii) Secondly, Jupiter's delay is also to be added to Sa delay. Since

>17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo. The delay by Ju

>came to be over when Ju entered Libra (Libra is 7th in Kal-purush kundali

>and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in Libra).

>Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on 8th Nov

>1981.

>

>(There were no shortage of Mahurut's during this interim period of March

>1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me).

>

>8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD was also of

>Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in the

>Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses A,B,C, come

>eagerly forward to complete the related event.

>

>9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native got married in the

>AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married life. He could

>not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child ( in late

>Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of Mars. Here Ke should behave like Sa & Mo

>but more specifically like Sa)

>

>As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by this

>example.

>

>I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other laws (plus

>the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing.

>

>I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially pertaining to

>the delay factors of Sa & Ju.

>Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered Libra in

>transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when it entered

>Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. I think I am making some error

>in judging the end of the delay period by Sa & Ju.

>

>I need help here please..........

>

>Besides, I would also request the experienced KAS members to try & evaluate

>the chart as to why this person could not have a biological child and

>ultimately adopted one.

>

>Regards,

>Nikhlesh Mathur

>

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October 8, 2008

Dear Nikhlesh Ji, Here is the analysis of the chart for marriage as per the data submitted by you. This chart has- Blessings. As lagna lord Ju and 9th lord Su are in 5/9 position in navamsa. Su to Ve distance is < 43 deg. Ve is in Makha nakshtra, in the sign of Su.Ve is also 6th lord. Ve is with Ma. Therefore Ve becomes weak. LoD is Ju who is in 7th house strongly placed in house B with 6 bindus.This way Ju antara must give the marriage subject to other factors. This Ju occupies 6th house in navamsa along with LoA Sa . So both these planets loose their status. Let us see the delay in the chart. House A is itself lorded by Sa , it occupies house C and it aspects LoB Me in navamsa. Therefore Sa indicates full delay. But there is no Ju delay in the chart.How did you mention Ju delay in the chart ? Ju aspects LoA Sa

but Ju is with 6 bindus in house B so Ju can not cause delay.On the contrary Ju moderate the delay. So marriage might take place in second sector of antara. It you calculate the delay period then it is over on 26 Oct 1979 when Me antara in Su main was passing through. Next following antara was that of Ke. Ke is similar to Mo and Sa. It will act more like Sa. Both of these planets are weak in WS for 7th house. Ke is in 4th of navamsa. Here Ke could have given the event. Ke aspects house A in rasi. I could not understand why Ke could not furnish the result. Next following antara is that of Ve . Here Ve is LoC and 6th lord as well. Ve is SD to Ma (LoE). Since Ve is in Makha nakshtra and weak, probably could not give the event. But it has helped the native by getting the marriage fixed. Now Mo antara in Mo main started. Mo is weak in WS with 8 points. Mo is weak in 2nd and 5th also. Mo is not

competent enough to furnish the marriage event unless there is indications of unhappy married life. If Mo has furnished the marriage then why not Ke antara could do so ? Ke came before Mo. Marriage took place in 2nd sector of Mo antara. Now regarding the child birth. Mo occupies 5th with 6 bindus . It is in 10th place from its own house. Thus spoiling the 8th house. Second point is that her 8th house is in Ra/Ke axis. Position of Ke in 8th house is not good for the fertility of the native. Sa also aspects her 8th house. Ju being the 12lord of 5th aspects 8th lord Mo in navamsa. This aspect might be malefic. There must be some problem with her vertility in ova. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishranikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur wrote: Dear Ash ji, Surely I will get the chart of this native's wife and will put it in the forum sometime tomorrow after analyzing it myself.I have spoken to this native to given me the details.Now here, I have a question......If the wife's chart also shows problems in bearing a biological child then it is clear that the couple might not have one.Now what happens if the wife's chart does NOT show any such indication?In other words, if the chart of only one partner shows that he/she is fit for producing children then does the planetary

placements of the other partner helps or stops them from producing biological child?If that is so then this phenomenon becomes very important while we match the charts for arranged marriages.I personally believe that the phases of MD & AD at the right age of both partners are of great importance here when one partner is capable while the other is not so capable, as visible astrologically from their charts.Can I please have your words of wisdom on this facet.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca wrote :>Dear Nikhlesh ji,>>If you also have the chart of this native's wife then please give that as>well. For child birth both charts must be checked very carefully.>>Also the marriage time can be checked in wife's chart too. That way you>can also check by overlapping of charts the relation between Su, Mo for>friendship and Ra, Sa

with Ma and Ve.>>Cheers !!!>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca>> >[ ] On Behalf Of nikhlesh>mathur>Tuesday October 7, 2008 9:33 AM> >Re: Re: RE: Known chart>>>07.10.2008>>Dear Group Members,>> A very happy Dusshera to you all......>>For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known marriage date>and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well known to me.>>I request the members to try the same.......>>Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY

22:19:0, Asc: 9>Sg 39>>Known facts:>Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother>Marriage took place on 08.11.1981>Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.>>Question :>Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories.>Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted in late>Feb 1996).>>My Analysis:>>1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for marriage. It is lord of>A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In Navansh Sa sees>LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime back, we do>not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by Sa.>>2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa) of Natal chart by>its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together.>>3.

So there are delays both from Sa & Ju. Sa is 4.Li.26(Libra).>>4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived in Virgo in the>transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This occurred on>17.07.1980. So native's marriage talks must have gathered momentum after>that.>>5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage (apart from Ma & Ve>being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is marriage is not seen>good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate) or 2:12>(tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be assumed that>some void may be there.>>6. At that time the native was passing through the AD of Ve in the MD of>Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed with Ma. It>has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK

from both Sun & Moon.>Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and this Ma is LoE> from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of Sa was over>it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So the native>got engaged in March 1981.>>7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD of Ve (ie before>May 1981) probably because;>>i) Certain voids are observed in native's married life and Ve has high>points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage in high power>planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into account Ve>points get decreased to less than 12.>>ii) Secondly, Jupiter's delay is also to be added to Sa delay. Since>17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo. The delay by Ju>came to be over when Ju entered Libra

(Libra is 7th in Kal-purush kundali>and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in Libra).>Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on 8th Nov>1981.>>(There were no shortage of Mahurut's during this interim period of March>1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me).>>8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD was also of>Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in the>Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses A,B,C, come>eagerly forward to complete the related event.>>9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native got married in the>AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married life. He could>not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child ( in late>Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of

Mars. Here Ke should behave like Sa & Mo>but more specifically like Sa)>>As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by this>example.>>I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other laws (plus>the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing.>>I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially pertaining to>the delay factors of Sa & Ju.>Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered Libra in>transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when it entered>Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. I think I am making some error>in judging the end of the delay period by Sa & Ju.>>I need help here please..........>>Besides, I would also request the experienced KAS members to try & evaluate>the chart as to why this person could not have a

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October 8, 2008

Dear

Nikhlesh ji,

Today

Medical Advancements have become very good. Just think for child birth we are

studying 12th house as Karak.

So what does that mean, it means that 12th house is the Doer

or say Natural means via mating.

For that one must have a good 7th house i.e

Root Karak.

So

the status of both these house must be studied as well. Guru is NK karak

for child birth and its also called putra karak and Venus is Karak for 12th i.e. Natural 7th

lord.

So

that is 1 aspect of things.

Secondly, the health of the natives and 8th house also

becomes important. If those are

spoilt then there can be problems.

Now,

our basic law and u have noticed in this chart is that the marriage happened in

low points. So here the husband and

wife might be getting along well or might have good relationship, however the

low points indicates something.

This

shows that there is some problem.

Now what sort of problem is another thing. I have mentioned about such charts in

some earlier emails when talking about marriage in low points.

Now,

for husband and wife to marry or say 2 people to marry then marriage date must

be shown in both charts or it should be same date correct?

Same

way, if say one in the couple has some problem then both charts will indicate

some problem so say, the marriage might be in low points.

The

power of understanding that when marriage happens in lowest points or low

points i.e. less than 12 in WS has a very deep meaning. You can go into great detail using

advanced portion of KAS, however for Timing of Event that is not necessary.

The

wife’s chart also must show problem.

Now, unless the husband has some other relation for that there must be yog’s and might have child with some other lady then it’s

a different matter and its better we do not probe any further. This I am saying in general and not for

this particular case.

However,

the big thing is that this native married in lowest points and there is not

natural child. So as far as timing

of events goes, things are in line.

Now,

the wife’s chart can also be studied in detail. Both charts will be in line.

Such

things can also be used in rectification of a chart as well.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur

Wednesday October 8, 2008

12:39 AM

To:

Re: RE:

Known chart

Dear Ash ji,

Surely I will get the chart of this

native's wife and will put it in the forum sometime tomorrow after analyzing it

myself.

I have spoken to this native to given me the details.

Now here, I have a question......

If the wife's chart also shows problems in bearing a biological child then it

is clear that the couple might not have one.

Now what happens if the wife's chart does NOT show any such indication?

In other words, if the chart of only one partner shows that he/she is fit for

producing children then does the planetary placements of the other partner

helps or stops them from producing biological child?

If that is so then this phenomenon becomes very important while we match the

charts for arranged marriages.

I personally believe that the phases of MD & AD at the right age of both

partners are of great importance here when one partner is capable while the

other is not so capable, as visible astrologically from their charts.

Can I please have your words of wisdom on this facet.

Regards,

Nikhlesh Mathur

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

>Dear Nikhlesh ji,

>

>If you also have the chart of this native's wife then please give that as

>well. For child birth both charts must be checked very carefully.

>

>Also the marriage time can be checked in wife's chart too. That way

you

>can also check by overlapping of charts the relation between Su, Mo for

>friendship and Ra, Sa with Ma and Ve.

>

>Cheers !!!

>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> On Behalf Of nikhlesh

>mathur

>Tuesday October 7, 2008 9:33 AM

>

>Re: Re: RE: Known chart

>

>07.10.2008

>

>Dear Group Members,

>

> A very happy

Dusshera to you all......

>

>For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known marriage date

>and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well known to me.

>

>I request the members to try the same.......

>

>Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9

>Sg 39

>

>Known facts:

>Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother

>Marriage took place on 08.11.1981

>Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.

>

>Question :

>Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories.

>Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted in late

>Feb 1996).

>

>My Analysis:

>

>1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for marriage. It is

lord of

>A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In Navansh Sa sees

>LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime back, we do

>not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by Sa.

>

>2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa) of Natal

chart by

>its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together.

>

>3. So there are delays both from Sa & Ju. Sa is

4.Li.26(Libra).

>

>4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived in Virgo in

the

>transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This occurred on

>17.07.1980. So native's marriage talks must have gathered momentum after

>that.

>

>5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage (apart

from Ma & Ve

>being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is marriage is not

seen

>good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate) or 2:12

>(tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be assumed

that

>some void may be there.

>

>6. At that time the native was passing through the AD of Ve in

the MD of

>Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed with Ma. It

>has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK from both Sun &

Moon.

>Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and this Ma

is LoE

> from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of Sa was

over

>it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So the native

>got engaged in March 1981.

>

>7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD of Ve (ie

before

>May 1981) probably because;

>

>i) Certain voids are observed in native's married life and Ve

has high

>points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage in high

power

>planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into account Ve

>points get decreased to less than 12.

>

>ii) Secondly, Jupiter's delay is also to be added to Sa delay.

Since

>17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo. The delay

by Ju

>came to be over when Ju entered Libra (Libra is 7th in Kal-purush kundali

>and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in Libra).

>Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on 8th Nov

>1981.

>

>(There were no shortage of Mahurut's during this interim period of March

>1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me).

>

>8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD was

also of

>Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in the

>Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses A,B,C,

come

>eagerly forward to complete the related event.

>

>9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native got

married in the

>AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married life. He

could

>not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child ( in late

>Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of Mars. Here Ke should behave like Sa

& Mo

>but more specifically like Sa)

>

>As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by this

>example.

>

>I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other laws (plus

>the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing.

>

>I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially pertaining to

>the delay factors of Sa & Ju.

>Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered Libra in

>transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when it

entered

>Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. I think I am making some

error

>in judging the end of the delay period by Sa & Ju.

>

>I need help here please..........

>

>Besides, I would also request the experienced KAS members to try &

evaluate

>the chart as to why this person could not have a biological child and

>ultimately adopted one.

>

>Regards,

>Nikhlesh Mathur

>

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October 10, 2008

10.10.08

Dear Group Members,

Thanks to Mr Ash for his words on the case.

I got the chart of the wife of this native ans did my analysis on it.

It is as follows..........

We were discussing the marriage date and child adoption of this native (Native: Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9 Sg 39)

Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother

Marriage took place on 08.11.1981

Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.

For cross-verification we thought of checking the same with the birth details of this native’s wife.

Wife’s birth details are: 11/04/1957, 13:44 hrs, 26.53.N, 75.50 E, Asc = 22Cn 22

Analysis of marriage date:

Sa is in 5th house in natal chart. So it is aspecting A,B,C and therefore causing full delay. Ju is seeing lord of A (Su) in natal chart. So there is delay of Ju also.

There is no aspect of Ju on Sa. So Ju is not moderating the dealy.

Sa is 21.Sc.40. So the delay of Sa will be over when Sa cross 21:40 degrees in Virgo. It did so on 18th Oct 1981 ( Is this right? I personally need to understand this concept again. Can anyone explain please).

We see here that inspite of marriage fixation in March 1981, the event got extended to beyond Oct 1981.

On 18th Oct 1981 the Ju was in Virgo and thus was casting its 5th eye on the 7th house. Interestingly the delay of Ju was also getting over simultaneously (Is this right to analyze like this……..?).

Ju was then in its last lap in Virgo. It moved on to Libra on 23rd Oct 1981 (7th house of Kal-Purush kundali).

This lady got married on 8th Nov 1981 with the native: Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0,Asc: 9 Sg 39).

There is no zero in the chart. The lady got married in the AD of Rahu (sector-2). Rahu for her is acting more like Ve.

Her Ve is LoD for her 7th house and has high points from Asc. The same Ve has low points for 7th from both Sun & Moon.

Interestingly here her LoE is Me. This Me is SD to Ve because her Me is in the Nks of Ve. So Me (LoE here) must also have facilitated the event of marriage.

Now the point to ponder upon is that she got married in AD of high power planet but her husband got married in the AD of low power planet for 7th house.

Having said this, another point which is significant here is that the Ve of this lady is hardly 1 degree away from her Sun. So the natural qualities of Ve are totally spoiled (remember she & her husband do not have a biological child).

Analysis for child:

Taking B=5, A=12, C= 9, D=2, E=10,

LoA = Me, LoB = Ma, LoC=Ju, LoD = Su, LoE= Me

Sa is sitting in house B & is seeing house LoB.

Ju is seeing LoB.

These placements show delay in child birth.

The Functional karak for child is Me which has good points for almost all the houses. Yes, it is aspected by Rahu in natal chart but at the same time Ju sees it in Navansh.

The natural Karak for the child is Venus ( 12th house) which is also a karak of the 7th house. For this lady the Ve is totally spoiled (due to extremely close proximity to Sun).

This could be the single largest reason for her not being able to bear a child biologically.

I could not see any medical related problem in this context. Apart from a very bad Venus I am not able to see any other reason for this lady being issueless.

So is this a case where this lady could not bear the child only because of related medical problems in her spouse?

I have a strong inkling for this. May be I will gather courage and ask the native someday sometime about this.

Awaiting analysis and reasoning of other KAS group members, please………….

Regards,

Nikhlesh Mathur

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

>Dear Nikhlesh ji,

>

>Today Medical Advancements have become very good. Just think for child

>birth we are studying 12th house as Karak. So what does that mean, it means

>that 12th house is the Doer or say Natural means via mating. For that one

>must have a good 7th house i.e Root Karak.

>

>So the status of both these house must be studied as well. Guru is NK karak

>for child birth and its also called putra karak and Venus is Karak for 12th

>i.e. Natural 7th lord.

>

>So that is 1 aspect of things. Secondly, the health of the natives and 8th

>house also becomes important. If those are spoilt then there can be

>problems.

>

>Now, our basic law and u have noticed in this chart is that the marriage

>happened in low points. So here the husband and wife might be getting along

>well or might have good relationship, however the low points indicates

>something.

>

>This shows that there is some problem. Now what sort of problem is another

>thing. I have mentioned about such charts in some earlier emails when

>talking about marriage in low points.

>

>Now, for husband and wife to marry or say 2 people to marry then marriage

>date must be shown in both charts or it should be same date correct?

>

>Same way, if say one in the couple has some problem then both charts will

>indicate some problem so say, the marriage might be in low points.

>

>The power of understanding that when marriage happens in lowest points or

>low points i.e. less than 12 in WS has a very deep meaning. You can go into

>great detail using advanced portion of KAS, however for Timing of Event that

>is not necessary.

>

>The wife's chart also must show problem. Now, unless the husband has some

>other relation for that there must be yog's and might have child with some

>other lady then it's a different matter and its better we do not probe any

>further. This I am saying in general and not for this particular case.

>

>However, the big thing is that this native married in lowest points and

>there is not natural child. So as far as timing of events goes, things are

>in line.

>

>Now, the wife's chart can also be studied in detail. Both charts will be in

>line.

>

>Such things can also be used in rectification of a chart as well.

>

>Cheers !!!

>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> On Behalf Of nikhlesh

>mathur

>Wednesday October 8, 2008 12:39 AM

>

>Re: RE: Known chart

>

>Dear Ash ji,

>

> Surely I will get the chart of this native's wife and will put

>it in the forum sometime tomorrow after analyzing it myself.

>

>I have spoken to this native to given me the details.

>

>Now here, I have a question......

>

>If the wife's chart also shows problems in bearing a biological child then

>it is clear that the couple might not have one.

>

>Now what happens if the wife's chart does NOT show any such indication?

>

>In other words, if the chart of only one partner shows that he/she is fit

>for producing children then does the planetary placements of the other

>partner helps or stops them from producing biological child?

>

>If that is so then this phenomenon becomes very important while we match the

>charts for arranged marriages.

>

>I personally believe that the phases of MD & AD at the right age of both

>partners are of great importance here when one partner is capable while the

>other is not so capable, as visible astrologically from their charts.

>

>Can I please have your words of wisdom on this facet.

>

>Regards,

>Nikhlesh Mathur

>

>On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

> >Dear Nikhlesh ji,

> >

> >If you also have the chart of this native's wife then please give that as

> >well. For child birth both charts must be checked very carefully.

> >

> >Also the marriage time can be checked in wife's chart too. That way you

> >can also check by overlapping of charts the relation between Su, Mo for

> >friendship and Ra, Sa with Ma and Ve.

> >

> >Cheers !!!

> >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > On Behalf Of nikhlesh

> >mathur

> >Tuesday October 7, 2008 9:33 AM

> >

> >Re: Re: RE: Known chart

> >

> >07.10.2008

> >

> >Dear Group Members,

> >

> > A very happy Dusshera to you all......

> >

> >For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known marriage date

> >and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well known to me.

> >

> >I request the members to try the same.......

> >

> >Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9

> >Sg 39

> >

> >Known facts:

> >Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother

> >Marriage took place on 08.11.1981

> >Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.

> >

> >Question :

> >Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories.

> >Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted in late

> >Feb 1996).

> >

> >My Analysis:

> >

> >1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for marriage. It is lord of

> >A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In Navansh Sa sees

> >LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime back, we do

> >not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by Sa.

> >

> >2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa) of Natal chart by

> >its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together.

> >

> >3. So there are delays both from Sa & Ju. Sa is 4.Li.26(Libra).

> >

> >4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived in Virgo in the

> >transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This occurred on

> >17.07.1980. So native's marriage talks must have gathered momentum after

> >that.

> >

> >5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage (apart from Ma & Ve

> >being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is marriage is not

>seen

> >good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate) or 2:12

> >(tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be assumed that

> >some void may be there.

> >

> >6. At that time the native was passing through the AD of Ve in the MD of

> >Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed with Ma. It

> >has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK from both Sun &

>Moon.

> >Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and this Ma is

>LoE

> > from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of Sa was

>over

> >it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So the native

> >got engaged in March 1981.

> >

> >7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD of Ve (ie before

> >May 1981) probably because;

> >

> >i) Certain voids are observed in native's married life and Ve has high

> >points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage in high power

> >planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into account Ve

> >points get decreased to less than 12.

> >

> >ii) Secondly, Jupiter's delay is also to be added to Sa delay. Since

> >17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo. The delay by Ju

> >came to be over when Ju entered Libra (Libra is 7th in Kal-purush kundali

> >and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in Libra).

> >Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on 8th Nov

> >1981.

> >

> >(There were no shortage of Mahurut's during this interim period of March

> >1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me).

> >

> >8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD was also of

> >Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in the

> >Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses A,B,C,

>come

> >eagerly forward to complete the related event.

> >

> >9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native got married in the

> >AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married life. He

>could

> >not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child ( in late

> >Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of Mars. Here Ke should behave like Sa &

>Mo

> >but more specifically like Sa)

> >

> >As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by this

> >example.

> >

> >I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other laws (plus

> >the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing.

> >

> >I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially pertaining to

> >the delay factors of Sa & Ju.

> >Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered Libra in

> >transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when it entered

> >Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. I think I am making some error

> >in judging the end of the delay period by Sa & Ju.

> >

> >I need help here please..........

> >

> >Besides, I would also request the experienced KAS members to try & evaluate

> >the chart as to why this person could not have a biological child and

> >ultimately adopted one.

> >

> >Regards,

> >Nikhlesh Mathur

> >

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October 10, 2008

Dear

Nikhlesh ji,

This

chart also has blessing as well. Ofcouse this would depend on exact data but in Navamsa there

is a blessing. Also from Mo and Sun

too. So there is blessing and in

some cases 6th lord is involved afflicting the same.

Now,

there is delay as u have given and Ju cannot check it. At the same time here Ju is with 4

bindus but it is 6th lord.

Now Such a Guru is with Sa in navamsa and its aspected by Ma too. These things will spoil Guru and then

this might make the native more prone to cancer.

Also

this lady might have some breathing problems or asthma or something of that

sort, if you can confirm it will be good learning.

Now

this Guru which is spoilt is aspecting 7th house and is also

conjoining 7th lord and 8th lord. This can give problems relating to these

areas so it might give some problems with her ovaries production or her Fallopian

tubes or she might have something like a cystic fibrosis.

This

might cause some problems. In this

chart 2nd lord is in 9th house i.e. in 8th

from 2nd house so it will definitely affect happiness of 7th

house and also NK Venus is only 0.8 deg away from Sun and at same time being

aspected by Saturn.

Karak

for conception is 6th house i..e 11th as B. We check both 5th and 11th

house for child birth. Here the

status of 6th lord is spoilt as given above so this might cause

problems with result of 11th house.

Also

another point to note is that the marriage was in Rahu period. Now Ra is SD to Ve

and Ju. Ju is 6th

lord. So here it will give marriage

as its in House D but it can’t give happiness as there is involvement of

6th lord. So here there

is Timing v/s Quality too. So

timing can happen and it did.

Also

one more point to note is that 6th lord is in 3rd house

so that is karak sthan for 8th house and

its lord Me is in 8th from 3rd. So this might cause some problems with 8th

house matters as well. Also 6th

lord is conjoining 8th lord of Rasi in navamsa and on top of that

the 6th lord has been further disturbed by Ma and Sa making it more

malefic.

6th

lord is Ve and its SD to Ju who is also 6th

lord. Here Ju is aspecting 9th

house thereby having enemity with 9th

house so it will also act more like 6th lord.

Here

to both Karaks for marriage Su and Ve are both in SD to 6th lord as well. At same time Ve

is too close to sun and aspected by Sa and Su is in 8th from 2nd

house as well.

So

all these things are pointing to less happiness in marital life but there will

not be a break in marriage due to blessings and also this lady is smart and has

also will believe in karmakand and puja and is god

fearing.

This

is a good chart to study.

I

do understand that these matters are very personal and it might put Nitish ji in an awkard position to ask these things. That said, if information can be found

then it will be good learning and can confirm all these findings.

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur

Friday October 10, 2008 9:16

AM

To:

Re: RE: RE:

Known chart

10.10.08

Dear Group Members,

Thanks to Mr Ash

for his words on the case.

I got the chart of the wife of this native ans did my analysis on it.

It is as follows..........

We were discussing the marriage date and child adoption of this native (Native:

Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9 Sg 39)

Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother

Marriage took place on 08.11.1981

Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.

For cross-verification we thought of checking the same with the birth

details of this native’s wife.

Wife’s birth details are: 11/04/1957, 13:44 hrs, 26.53.N, 75.50 E, Asc =

22Cn 22

Analysis of marriage date:

Sa is in 5th house in natal chart. So it is aspecting A,B,C and therefore

causing full delay. Ju is seeing lord of A (Su) in natal chart. So there is

delay of Ju also.

There is no aspect of Ju on Sa. So Ju is not moderating the dealy.

Sa is 21.Sc.40. So the delay of Sa will be over when Sa cross 21:40 degrees in

Virgo. It did so on 18th Oct 1981 ( Is this right? I personally need to

understand this concept again. Can anyone explain please).

We see here that inspite of marriage fixation in March 1981, the event got

extended to beyond Oct 1981.

On 18th Oct 1981 the Ju was in Virgo and thus was casting its 5th eye on the

7th house. Interestingly the delay of Ju was also getting over simultaneously

(Is this right to analyze like this……..?).

Ju was then in its last lap in Virgo. It moved on to Libra on 23rd Oct 1981

(7th house of Kal-Purush kundali).

This lady got married on 8th Nov 1981 with the native: Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13

hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0,Asc: 9 Sg 39).

There is no zero in the chart. The lady got married in the AD of Rahu (sector-2).

Rahu for her is acting more like Ve.

Her Ve is LoD for her 7th house and has high points from Asc. The same Ve has

low points for 7th from both Sun & Moon.

Interestingly here her LoE is Me. This Me is SD to Ve because her Me is in the

Nks of Ve. So Me (LoE here) must also have facilitated the event of marriage.

Now the point to ponder upon is that she got married in AD of high power planet

but her husband got married in the AD of low power planet for 7th house.

Having said this, another point which is significant here is that the Ve of

this lady is hardly 1 degree away from her Sun. So the natural qualities of Ve

are totally spoiled (remember she & her husband do not have a biological

child).

Analysis for child:

Taking B=5, A=12, C= 9, D=2, E=10,

LoA = Me, LoB = Ma, LoC=Ju, LoD = Su, LoE= Me

Sa is sitting in house B & is seeing house LoB.

Ju is seeing LoB.

These placements show delay in child birth.

The Functional karak for child is Me which has good points for almost all the

houses. Yes, it is aspected by Rahu in natal chart but at the same time Ju sees

it in Navansh.

The natural Karak for the child is Venus ( 12th house) which is also a karak of

the 7th house. For this lady the Ve is totally spoiled (due to extremely close

proximity to Sun).

This could be the single largest reason for her not being able to bear a child

biologically.

I could not see any medical related problem in this context. Apart from a very

bad Venus I am not able to see any other reason for this lady being issueless.

So is this a case where this lady could not bear the child only because of

related medical problems in her spouse?

I have a strong inkling for this. May be I will gather courage and ask the

native someday sometime about this.

Awaiting analysis and reasoning of other KAS group members, please………….

Regards,

Nikhlesh Mathur

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

>Dear Nikhlesh ji,

>

>Today Medical Advancements have become very good. Just think for

child

>birth we are studying 12th house as Karak. So what does that mean, it

means

>that 12th house is the Doer or say Natural means via mating. For that

one

>must have a good 7th house i.e Root Karak.

>

>So the status of both these house must be studied as well. Guru is NK

karak

>for child birth and its also called putra karak and Venus is Karak for 12th

>i.e. Natural 7th lord.

>

>So that is 1 aspect of things. Secondly, the health of the natives

and 8th

>house also becomes important. If those are spoilt then there can be

>problems.

>

>Now, our basic law and u have noticed in this chart is that the marriage

>happened in low points. So here the husband and wife might be getting

along

>well or might have good relationship, however the low points indicates

>something.

>

>This shows that there is some problem. Now what sort of problem is

another

>thing. I have mentioned about such charts in some earlier emails when

>talking about marriage in low points.

>

>Now, for husband and wife to marry or say 2 people to marry then marriage

>date must be shown in both charts or it should be same date correct?

>

>Same way, if say one in the couple has some problem then both charts will

>indicate some problem so say, the marriage might be in low points.

>

>The power of understanding that when marriage happens in lowest points or

>low points i.e. less than 12 in WS has a very deep meaning. You can

go into

>great detail using advanced portion of KAS, however for Timing of Event

that

>is not necessary.

>

>The wife's chart also must show problem. Now, unless the husband has

some

>other relation for that there must be yog's and might have child with some

>other lady then it's a different matter and its better we do not probe any

>further. This I am saying in general and not for this particular

case.

>

>However, the big thing is that this native married in lowest points and

>there is not natural child. So as far as timing of events goes,

things are

>in line.

>

>Now, the wife's chart can also be studied in detail. Both charts will

be in

>line.

>

>Such things can also be used in rectification of a chart as well.

>

>Cheers !!!

>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> On Behalf Of nikhlesh

>mathur

>Wednesday October 8, 2008 12:39 AM

>

>Re: RE: Known chart

>

>Dear Ash ji,

>

> Surely I will get the chart of

this native's wife and will put

>it in the forum sometime tomorrow after analyzing it myself.

>

>I have spoken to this native to given me the details.

>

>Now here, I have a question......

>

>If the wife's chart also shows problems in bearing a biological child then

>it is clear that the couple might not have one.

>

>Now what happens if the wife's chart does NOT show any such indication?

>

>In other words, if the chart of only one partner shows that he/she is fit

>for producing children then does the planetary placements of the other

>partner helps or stops them from producing biological child?

>

>If that is so then this phenomenon becomes very important while we match

the

>charts for arranged marriages.

>

>I personally believe that the phases of MD & AD at the right age of

both

>partners are of great importance here when one partner is capable while the

>other is not so capable, as visible astrologically from their charts.

>

>Can I please have your words of wisdom on this facet.

>

>Regards,

>Nikhlesh Mathur

>

>On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

> >Dear Nikhlesh ji,

> >

> >If you also have the chart of this native's wife then please give that

as

> >well. For child birth both charts must be checked very carefully.

> >

> >Also the marriage time can be checked in wife's chart too. That

way you

> >can also check by overlapping of charts the relation between Su, Mo

for

> >friendship and Ra, Sa with Ma and Ve.

> >

> >Cheers !!!

> >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > On Behalf Of

nikhlesh

> >mathur

> >Tuesday October 7, 2008 9:33 AM

> >

> >Re: Re: RE: Known chart

> >

> >07.10.2008

> >

> >Dear Group Members,

> >

> > A very

happy Dusshera to you all......

> >

> >For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known marriage

date

> >and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well known

to me.

> >

> >I request the members to try the same.......

> >

> >Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0,

Asc: 9

> >Sg 39

> >

> >Known facts:

> >Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother

> >Marriage took place on 08.11.1981

> >Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.

> >

> >Question :

> >Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories.

> >Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted in

late

> >Feb 1996).

> >

> >My Analysis:

> >

> >1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for marriage.

It is lord of

> >A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In Navansh Sa

sees

> >LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime back, we

do

> >not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by Sa.

> >

> >2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa) of

Natal chart by

> >its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together.

> >

> >3. So there are delays both from Sa & Ju. Sa is

4.Li.26(Libra).

> >

> >4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived in

Virgo in the

> >transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This

occurred on

> >17.07.1980. So native's marriage talks must have gathered momentum

after

> >that.

> >

> >5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage

(apart from Ma & Ve

> >being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is marriage is

not

>seen

> >good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate) or

2:12

> >(tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be

assumed that

> >some void may be there.

> >

> >6. At that time the native was passing through the AD of

Ve in the MD of

> >Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed with Ma.

It

> >has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK from both Sun

&

>Moon.

> >Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and this

Ma is

>LoE

> > from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of Sa

was

>over

> >it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So the

native

> >got engaged in March 1981.

> >

> >7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD of

Ve (ie before

> >May 1981) probably because;

> >

> >i) Certain voids are observed in native's married life

and Ve has high

> >points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage in

high power

> >planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into account

Ve

> >points get decreased to less than 12.

> >

> >ii) Secondly, Jupiter's delay is also to be added to Sa

delay. Since

> >17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo. The

delay by Ju

> >came to be over when Ju entered Libra (Libra is 7th in Kal-purush

kundali

> >and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in

Libra).

> >Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on 8th

Nov

> >1981.

> >

> >(There were no shortage of Mahurut's during this interim period of

March

> >1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me).

> >

> >8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD

was also of

> >Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in

the

> >Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses

A,B,C,

>come

> >eagerly forward to complete the related event.

> >

> >9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native got

married in the

> >AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married life. He

>could

> >not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child ( in

late

> >Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of Mars. Here Ke should behave like

Sa &

>Mo

> >but more specifically like Sa)

> >

> >As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by this

> >example.

> >

> >I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other laws

(plus

> >the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing.

> >

> >I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially pertaining

to

> >the delay factors of Sa & Ju.

> >Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered Libra in

> >transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when it

entered

> >Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. I think I am making

some error

> >in judging the end of the delay period by Sa & Ju.

> >

> >I need help here please..........

> >

> >Besides, I would also request the experienced KAS members to try &

evaluate

> >the chart as to why this person could not have a biological child and

> >ultimately adopted one.

> >

> >Regards,

> >Nikhlesh Mathur

> >

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October 10, 2008

No appologies required Mr. Ash.

Coincidently, Nitish is the name of my son. Someday I would like to be called as Nitish's father.

You have fulfilled the wish partly, now itself.

Therefore, I am rather thankful to you.......

Regards,

Nikhlesh Mathur

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

>My appoligies for mis-spelling your name. Please read " Nitish " as

> " Nikhlesh "

>

>Cheers !!!

>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> On Behalf Of nikhlesh

>mathur

>Friday October 10, 2008 9:16 AM

>

>Re: RE: RE: Known chart

>

>10.10.08

>Dear Group Members,

>

> Thanks to Mr Ash for his words on the case.

>

>I got the chart of the wife of this native ans did my analysis on it.

>

>It is as follows..........

>

>We were discussing the marriage date and child adoption of this native

>(Native: Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9

>Sg 39)

>

>Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother

>Marriage took place on 08.11.1981

>Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.

>

>For cross-verification we thought of checking the same with the birth

>details of this native's wife.

>

>Wife's birth details are: 11/04/1957, 13:44 hrs, 26.53.N, 75.50 E, Asc =

>22Cn 22

>

>Analysis of marriage date:

>

>Sa is in 5th house in natal chart. So it is aspecting A,B,C and therefore

>causing full delay. Ju is seeing lord of A (Su) in natal chart. So there is

>delay of Ju also.

>

>There is no aspect of Ju on Sa. So Ju is not moderating the dealy.

>

>Sa is 21.Sc.40. So the delay of Sa will be over when Sa cross 21:40 degrees

>in Virgo. It did so on 18th Oct 1981 ( Is this right? I personally need to

>understand this concept again. Can anyone explain please).

>

>We see here that inspite of marriage fixation in March 1981, the event got

>extended to beyond Oct 1981.

>

>On 18th Oct 1981 the Ju was in Virgo and thus was casting its 5th eye on the

>7th house. Interestingly the delay of Ju was also getting over

>simultaneously (Is this right to analyze like this....?).

>

>Ju was then in its last lap in Virgo. It moved on to Libra on 23rd Oct 1981

>(7th house of Kal-Purush kundali).

>

>This lady got married on 8th Nov 1981 with the native: Male, 25.09.1953,

>13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0,Asc: 9 Sg 39).

>

>There is no zero in the chart. The lady got married in the AD of Rahu

>(sector-2). Rahu for her is acting more like Ve.

>

>Her Ve is LoD for her 7th house and has high points from Asc. The same Ve

>has low points for 7th from both Sun & Moon.

>

>Interestingly here her LoE is Me. This Me is SD to Ve because her Me is in

>the Nks of Ve. So Me (LoE here) must also have facilitated the event of

>marriage.

>

>Now the point to ponder upon is that she got married in AD of high power

>planet but her husband got married in the AD of low power planet for 7th

>house.

>

>Having said this, another point which is significant here is that the Ve of

>this lady is hardly 1 degree away from her Sun. So the natural qualities of

>Ve are totally spoiled (remember she & her husband do not have a biological

>child).

>

>Analysis for child:

>

>Taking B=5, A=12, C= 9, D=2, E=10,

>LoA = Me, LoB = Ma, LoC=Ju, LoD = Su, LoE= Me

>

>Sa is sitting in house B & is seeing house LoB.

>Ju is seeing LoB.

>

>These placements show delay in child birth.

>

>The Functional karak for child is Me which has good points for almost all

>the houses. Yes, it is aspected by Rahu in natal chart but at the same time

>Ju sees it in Navansh.

>

>The natural Karak for the child is Venus ( 12th house) which is also a karak

>of the 7th house. For this lady the Ve is totally spoiled (due to extremely

>close proximity to Sun).

>

>This could be the single largest reason for her not being able to bear a

>child biologically.

>

>I could not see any medical related problem in this context. Apart from a

>very bad Venus I am not able to see any other reason for this lady being

>issueless.

>

>So is this a case where this lady could not bear the child only because of

>related medical problems in her spouse?

>

>I have a strong inkling for this. May be I will gather courage and ask the

>native someday sometime about this.

>

>Awaiting analysis and reasoning of other KAS group members, please.....

>

>Regards,

>Nikhlesh Mathur

>

>On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

> >Dear Nikhlesh ji,

> >

> >Today Medical Advancements have become very good. Just think for child

> >birth we are studying 12th house as Karak. So what does that mean, it

>means

> >that 12th house is the Doer or say Natural means via mating. For that one

> >must have a good 7th house i.e Root Karak.

> >

> >So the status of both these house must be studied as well. Guru is NK

>karak

> >for child birth and its also called putra karak and Venus is Karak for 12th

> >i.e. Natural 7th lord.

> >

> >So that is 1 aspect of things. Secondly, the health of the natives and 8th

> >house also becomes important. If those are spoilt then there can be

> >problems.

> >

> >Now, our basic law and u have noticed in this chart is that the marriage

> >happened in low points. So here the husband and wife might be getting

>along

> >well or might have good relationship, however the low points indicates

> >something.

> >

> >This shows that there is some problem. Now what sort of problem is another

> >thing. I have mentioned about such charts in some earlier emails when

> >talking about marriage in low points.

> >

> >Now, for husband and wife to marry or say 2 people to marry then marriage

> >date must be shown in both charts or it should be same date correct?

> >

> >Same way, if say one in the couple has some problem then both charts will

> >indicate some problem so say, the marriage might be in low points.

> >

> >The power of understanding that when marriage happens in lowest points or

> >low points i.e. less than 12 in WS has a very deep meaning. You can go

>into

> >great detail using advanced portion of KAS, however for Timing of Event

>that

> >is not necessary.

> >

> >The wife's chart also must show problem. Now, unless the husband has some

> >other relation for that there must be yog's and might have child with some

> >other lady then it's a different matter and its better we do not probe any

> >further. This I am saying in general and not for this particular case.

> >

> >However, the big thing is that this native married in lowest points and

> >there is not natural child. So as far as timing of events goes, things are

> >in line.

> >

> >Now, the wife's chart can also be studied in detail. Both charts will be

>in

> >line.

> >

> >Such things can also be used in rectification of a chart as well.

> >

> >Cheers !!!

> >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > On Behalf Of nikhlesh

> >mathur

> >Wednesday October 8, 2008 12:39 AM

> >

> >Re: RE: Known chart

> >

> >Dear Ash ji,

> >

> > Surely I will get the chart of this native's wife and will put

> >it in the forum sometime tomorrow after analyzing it myself.

> >

> >I have spoken to this native to given me the details.

> >

> >Now here, I have a question......

> >

> >If the wife's chart also shows problems in bearing a biological child then

> >it is clear that the couple might not have one.

> >

> >Now what happens if the wife's chart does NOT show any such indication?

> >

> >In other words, if the chart of only one partner shows that he/she is fit

> >for producing children then does the planetary placements of the other

> >partner helps or stops them from producing biological child?

> >

> >If that is so then this phenomenon becomes very important while we match

>the

> >charts for arranged marriages.

> >

> >I personally believe that the phases of MD & AD at the right age of both

> >partners are of great importance here when one partner is capable while the

> >other is not so capable, as visible astrologically from their charts.

> >

> >Can I please have your words of wisdom on this facet.

> >

> >Regards,

> >Nikhlesh Mathur

> >

> >On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

> > >Dear Nikhlesh ji,

> > >

> > >If you also have the chart of this native's wife then please give that as

> > >well. For child birth both charts must be checked very carefully.

> > >

> > >Also the marriage time can be checked in wife's chart too. That way you

> > >can also check by overlapping of charts the relation between Su, Mo for

> > >friendship and Ra, Sa with Ma and Ve.

> > >

> > >Cheers !!!

> > >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > >

> > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh

> > >mathur

> > >Tuesday October 7, 2008 9:33 AM

> > >

> > >Re: Re: RE: Known chart

> > >

> > >07.10.2008

> > >

> > >Dear Group Members,

> > >

> > > A very happy Dusshera to you all......

> > >

> > >For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known marriage

>date

> > >and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well known to

>me.

> > >

> > >I request the members to try the same.......

> > >

> > >Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc:

>9

> > >Sg 39

> > >

> > >Known facts:

> > >Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother

> > >Marriage took place on 08.11.1981

> > >Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.

> > >

> > >Question :

> > >Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories.

> > >Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted in

>late

> > >Feb 1996).

> > >

> > >My Analysis:

> > >

> > >1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for marriage. It is lord of

> > >A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In Navansh Sa

>sees

> > >LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime back, we do

> > >not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by Sa.

> > >

> > >2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa) of Natal chart by

> > >its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together.

> > >

> > >3. So there are delays both from Sa & Ju. Sa is 4.Li.26(Libra).

> > >

> > >4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived in Virgo in the

> > >transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This occurred

>on

> > >17.07.1980. So native's marriage talks must have gathered momentum after

> > >that.

> > >

> > >5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage (apart from Ma &

>Ve

> > >being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is marriage is not

> >seen

> > >good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate) or 2:12

> > >(tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be assumed that

> > >some void may be there.

> > >

> > >6. At that time the native was passing through the AD of Ve in the MD

>of

> > >Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed with Ma. It

> > >has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK from both Sun &

> >Moon.

> > >Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and this Ma is

> >LoE

> > > from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of Sa was

> >over

> > >it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So the

>native

> > >got engaged in March 1981.

> > >

> > >7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD of Ve (ie before

> > >May 1981) probably because;

> > >

> > >i) Certain voids are observed in native's married life and Ve has high

> > >points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage in high power

> > >planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into account Ve

> > >points get decreased to less than 12.

> > >

> > >ii) Secondly, Jupiter's delay is also to be added to Sa delay. Since

> > >17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo. The delay by

>Ju

> > >came to be over when Ju entered Libra (Libra is 7th in Kal-purush kundali

> > >and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in Libra).

> > >Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on 8th Nov

> > >1981.

> > >

> > >(There were no shortage of Mahurut's during this interim period of March

> > >1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me).

> > >

> > >8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD was also of

> > >Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in the

> > >Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses A,B,C,

> >come

> > >eagerly forward to complete the related event.

> > >

> > >9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native got married in

>the

> > >AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married life. He

> >could

> > >not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child ( in

>late

> > >Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of Mars. Here Ke should behave like Sa &

> >Mo

> > >but more specifically like Sa)

> > >

> > >As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by this

> > >example.

> > >

> > >I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other laws

>(plus

> > >the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing.

> > >

> > >I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially pertaining to

> > >the delay factors of Sa & Ju.

> > >Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered Libra in

> > >transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when it entered

> > >Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. I think I am making some

>error

> > >in judging the end of the delay period by Sa & Ju.

> > >

> > >I need help here please..........

> > >

> > >Besides, I would also request the experienced KAS members to try &

>evaluate

> > >the chart as to why this person could not have a biological child and

> > >ultimately adopted one.

> > >

> > >Regards,

> > >Nikhlesh Mathur

> > >

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October 11, 2008

Dear Ash ji,

Your analysis clarified many fundamentals. I have noted them separately in my notes file. Thanks a lot for the same.

Now, I somehow could not understand the following;

1. You said that the chart has blessing looking from the Moon chart. I could not find it how. Infact from Moon chart the lord of Asc (Su) and lord of 9th (Ma) are 3:11. Will this be a blessing? I am right now thinking that only 5:9 relationship of Asc & 9th give the blessings.

2. Can you please make us understand this blessing part once again?

In the above chart there are several aspects which are causing problem in marriage life but the blessings are neutralizing all of them (except the child part).

The spouse of this lady is having good relations with the entire family of this lady and is revered & called upon to finalize important discussions of the lady’s family members. This lady keeps the status of her spouse quite high and takes good care and maintains good relationship with the members of the spouse’s family.

Meanwhile a general question erupted in my mind (not exactly related to this chart) while understanding your analysis.

1. Does it give problems pertaining to that house if the lord of A from it is sitting in the house A itself. For example if lord of 10th is sitting in the 5th house, then does it give problem to the 10th house matters in its AD or even otherwise, or say if lord of 7th is sitting in the 2nd house then does it give problem for marriage in general or its AD. T

hough I feel to have read about this, but at the moment I am missing it.

Can you please clarify?

Coming back to this couple or rather this lady, I can share the following information which is confirmed;

1. The lady has a strange skin related problem where-in the face, hands etc are covered with reddish patches (there is no itching in it). Her looks are spoiled ( is it due to bad Ve ?)

It is assumed to be a delayed reaction of some medicine because this lady was on medicine of different types for years together(Allopathic, Homeopathic, Ayurvedic and may be even on some provided by the pseudo practitioners). This was all because she & her spouse were desperate to have child and got into all sorts of advices without gaining anything from them.

2. The lady does not have any other obvious disease or any kind of illness (except some common problems of teeth).

3. Yes, she is god-fearing, does her pooja rituals, and strongly believes in astrology; she is a housewife.

4. One significant thing is that one of her younger brother is financially & status-wise very well while the other younger one has problems in meeting both ends.

Regards,

Nikhlesh Mathur

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

>Dear Nikhlesh ji,

>

>This chart also has blessing as well. Ofcouse this would depend on exact

>data but in Navamsa there is a blessing. Also from Mo and Sun too. So

>there is blessing and in some cases 6th lord is involved afflicting the

>same.

>

>Now, there is delay as u have given and Ju cannot check it. At the same

>time here Ju is with 4 bindus but it is 6th lord. Now Such a Guru is with

>Sa in navamsa and its aspected by Ma too. These things will spoil Guru and

>then this might make the native more prone to cancer.

>

>Also this lady might have some breathing problems or asthma or something of

>that sort, if you can confirm it will be good learning.

>

>Now this Guru which is spoilt is aspecting 7th house and is also conjoining

>7th lord and 8th lord. This can give problems relating to these areas so it

>might give some problems with her ovaries production or her Fallopian tubes

>or she might have something like a cystic fibrosis.

>

>This might cause some problems. In this chart 2nd lord is in 9th house i.e.

>in 8th from 2nd house so it will definitely affect happiness of 7th house

>and also NK Venus is only 0.8 deg away from Sun and at same time being

>aspected by Saturn.

>

>Karak for conception is 6th house i..e 11th as B. We check both 5th and

>11th house for child birth. Here the status of 6th lord is spoilt as given

>above so this might cause problems with result of 11th house.

>

>Also another point to note is that the marriage was in Rahu period. Now Ra

>is SD to Ve and Ju. Ju is 6th lord. So here it will give marriage as its

>in House D but it can't give happiness as there is involvement of 6th lord.

>So here there is Timing v/s Quality too. So timing can happen and it did.

>

>Also one more point to note is that 6th lord is in 3rd house so that is

>karak sthan for 8th house and its lord Me is in 8th from 3rd. So this might

>cause some problems with 8th house matters as well. Also 6th lord is

>conjoining 8th lord of Rasi in navamsa and on top of that the 6th lord has

>been further disturbed by Ma and Sa making it more malefic.

>

>6th lord is Ve and its SD to Ju who is also 6th lord. Here Ju is aspecting

>9th house thereby having enemity with 9th house so it will also act more

>like 6th lord.

>

>Here to both Karaks for marriage Su and Ve are both in SD to 6th lord as

>well. At same time Ve is too close to sun and aspected by Sa and Su is in

>8th from 2nd house as well.

>

>So all these things are pointing to less happiness in marital life but there

>will not be a break in marriage due to blessings and also this lady is smart

>and has also will believe in karmakand and puja and is god fearing.

>

>This is a good chart to study.

>

>I do understand that these matters are very personal and it might put Nitish

>ji in an awkard position to ask these things. That said, if information can

>be found then it will be good learning and can confirm all these findings.

>

>Thanks,

>Cheers !!!

>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> On Behalf Of nikhlesh

>mathur

>Friday October 10, 2008 9:16 AM

>

>Re: RE: RE: Known chart

>

>10.10.08

>Dear Group Members,

>

> Thanks to Mr Ash for his words on the case.

>

>I got the chart of the wife of this native ans did my analysis on it.

>

>It is as follows..........

>

>We were discussing the marriage date and child adoption of this native

>(Native: Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9

>Sg 39)

>

>Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother

>Marriage took place on 08.11.1981

>Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.

>

>For cross-verification we thought of checking the same with the birth

>details of this native's wife.

>

>Wife's birth details are: 11/04/1957, 13:44 hrs, 26.53.N, 75.50 E, Asc =

>22Cn 22

>

>Analysis of marriage date:

>

>Sa is in 5th house in natal chart. So it is aspecting A,B,C and therefore

>causing full delay. Ju is seeing lord of A (Su) in natal chart. So there is

>delay of Ju also.

>

>There is no aspect of Ju on Sa. So Ju is not moderating the dealy.

>

>Sa is 21.Sc.40. So the delay of Sa will be over when Sa cross 21:40 degrees

>in Virgo. It did so on 18th Oct 1981 ( Is this right? I personally need to

>understand this concept again. Can anyone explain please).

>

>We see here that inspite of marriage fixation in March 1981, the event got

>extended to beyond Oct 1981.

>

>On 18th Oct 1981 the Ju was in Virgo and thus was casting its 5th eye on the

>7th house. Interestingly the delay of Ju was also getting over

>simultaneously (Is this right to analyze like this....?).

>

>Ju was then in its last lap in Virgo. It moved on to Libra on 23rd Oct 1981

>(7th house of Kal-Purush kundali).

>

>This lady got married on 8th Nov 1981 with the native: Male, 25.09.1953,

>13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0,Asc: 9 Sg 39).

>

>There is no zero in the chart. The lady got married in the AD of Rahu

>(sector-2). Rahu for her is acting more like Ve.

>

>Her Ve is LoD for her 7th house and has high points from Asc. The same Ve

>has low points for 7th from both Sun & Moon.

>

>Interestingly here her LoE is Me. This Me is SD to Ve because her Me is in

>the Nks of Ve. So Me (LoE here) must also have facilitated the event of

>marriage.

>

>Now the point to ponder upon is that she got married in AD of high power

>planet but her husband got married in the AD of low power planet for 7th

>house.

>

>Having said this, another point which is significant here is that the Ve of

>this lady is hardly 1 degree away from her Sun. So the natural qualities of

>Ve are totally spoiled (remember she & her husband do not have a biological

>child).

>

>Analysis for child:

>

>Taking B=5, A=12, C= 9, D=2, E=10,

>LoA = Me, LoB = Ma, LoC=Ju, LoD = Su, LoE= Me

>

>Sa is sitting in house B & is seeing house LoB.

>Ju is seeing LoB.

>

>These placements show delay in child birth.

>

>The Functional karak for child is Me which has good points for almost all

>the houses. Yes, it is aspected by Rahu in natal chart but at the same time

>Ju sees it in Navansh.

>

>The natural Karak for the child is Venus ( 12th house) which is also a karak

>of the 7th house. For this lady the Ve is totally spoiled (due to extremely

>close proximity to Sun).

>

>This could be the single largest reason for her not being able to bear a

>child biologically.

>

>I could not see any medical related problem in this context. Apart from a

>very bad Venus I am not able to see any other reason for this lady being

>issueless.

>

>So is this a case where this lady could not bear the child only because of

>related medical problems in her spouse?

>

>I have a strong inkling for this. May be I will gather courage and ask the

>native someday sometime about this.

>

>Awaiting analysis and reasoning of other KAS group members, please.....

>

>Regards,

>Nikhlesh Mathur

>

>On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

> >Dear Nikhlesh ji,

> >

> >Today Medical Advancements have become very good. Just think for child

> >birth we are studying 12th house as Karak. So what does that mean, it

>means

> >that 12th house is the Doer or say Natural means via mating. For that one

> >must have a good 7th house i.e Root Karak.

> >

> >So the status of both these house must be studied as well. Guru is NK

>karak

> >for child birth and its also called putra karak and Venus is Karak for 12th

> >i.e. Natural 7th lord.

> >

> >So that is 1 aspect of things. Secondly, the health of the natives and 8th

> >house also becomes important. If those are spoilt then there can be

> >problems.

> >

> >Now, our basic law and u have noticed in this chart is that the marriage

> >happened in low points. So here the husband and wife might be getting

>along

> >well or might have good relationship, however the low points indicates

> >something.

> >

> >This shows that there is some problem. Now what sort of problem is another

> >thing. I have mentioned about such charts in some earlier emails when

> >talking about marriage in low points.

> >

> >Now, for husband and wife to marry or say 2 people to marry then marriage

> >date must be shown in both charts or it should be same date correct?

> >

> >Same way, if say one in the couple has some problem then both charts will

> >indicate some problem so say, the marriage might be in low points.

> >

> >The power of understanding that when marriage happens in lowest points or

> >low points i.e. less than 12 in WS has a very deep meaning. You can go

>into

> >great detail using advanced portion of KAS, however for Timing of Event

>that

> >is not necessary.

> >

> >The wife's chart also must show problem. Now, unless the husband has some

> >other relation for that there must be yog's and might have child with some

> >other lady then it's a different matter and its better we do not probe any

> >further. This I am saying in general and not for this particular case.

> >

> >However, the big thing is that this native married in lowest points and

> >there is not natural child. So as far as timing of events goes, things are

> >in line.

> >

> >Now, the wife's chart can also be studied in detail. Both charts will be

>in

> >line.

> >

> >Such things can also be used in rectification of a chart as well.

> >

> >Cheers !!!

> >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > On Behalf Of nikhlesh

> >mathur

> >Wednesday October 8, 2008 12:39 AM

> >

> >Re: RE: Known chart

> >

> >Dear Ash ji,

> >

> > Surely I will get the chart of this native's wife and will put

> >it in the forum sometime tomorrow after analyzing it myself.

> >

> >I have spoken to this native to given me the details.

> >

> >Now here, I have a question......

> >

> >If the wife's chart also shows problems in bearing a biological child then

> >it is clear that the couple might not have one.

> >

> >Now what happens if the wife's chart does NOT show any such indication?

> >

> >In other words, if the chart of only one partner shows that he/she is fit

> >for producing children then does the planetary placements of the other

> >partner helps or stops them from producing biological child?

> >

> >If that is so then this phenomenon becomes very important while we match

>the

> >charts for arranged marriages.

> >

> >I personally believe that the phases of MD & AD at the right age of both

> >partners are of great importance here when one partner is capable while the

> >other is not so capable, as visible astrologically from their charts.

> >

> >Can I please have your words of wisdom on this facet.

> >

> >Regards,

> >Nikhlesh Mathur

> >

> >On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

> > >Dear Nikhlesh ji,

> > >

> > >If you also have the chart of this native's wife then please give that as

> > >well. For child birth both charts must be checked very carefully.

> > >

> > >Also the marriage time can be checked in wife's chart too. That way you

> > >can also check by overlapping of charts the relation between Su, Mo for

> > >friendship and Ra, Sa with Ma and Ve.

> > >

> > >Cheers !!!

> > >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > >

> > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh

> > >mathur

> > >Tuesday October 7, 2008 9:33 AM

> > >

> > >Re: Re: RE: Known chart

> > >

> > >07.10.2008

> > >

> > >Dear Group Members,

> > >

> > > A very happy Dusshera to you all......

> > >

> > >For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known marriage

>date

> > >and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well known to

>me.

> > >

> > >I request the members to try the same.......

> > >

> > >Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc:

>9

> > >Sg 39

> > >

> > >Known facts:

> > >Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother

> > >Marriage took place on 08.11.1981

> > >Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.

> > >

> > >Question :

> > >Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories.

> > >Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted in

>late

> > >Feb 1996).

> > >

> > >My Analysis:

> > >

> > >1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for marriage. It is lord of

> > >A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In Navansh Sa

>sees

> > >LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime back, we do

> > >not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by Sa.

> > >

> > >2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa) of Natal chart by

> > >its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together.

> > >

> > >3. So there are delays both from Sa & Ju. Sa is 4.Li.26(Libra).

> > >

> > >4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived in Virgo in the

> > >transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This occurred

>on

> > >17.07.1980. So native's marriage talks must have gathered momentum after

> > >that.

> > >

> > >5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage (apart from Ma &

>Ve

> > >being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is marriage is not

> >seen

> > >good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate) or 2:12

> > >(tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be assumed that

> > >some void may be there.

> > >

> > >6. At that time the native was passing through the AD of Ve in the MD

>of

> > >Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed with Ma. It

> > >has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK from both Sun &

> >Moon.

> > >Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and this Ma is

> >LoE

> > > from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of Sa was

> >over

> > >it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So the

>native

> > >got engaged in March 1981.

> > >

> > >7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD of Ve (ie before

> > >May 1981) probably because;

> > >

> > >i) Certain voids are observed in native's married life and Ve has high

> > >points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage in high power

> > >planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into account Ve

> > >points get decreased to less than 12.

> > >

> > >ii) Secondly, Jupiter's delay is also to be added to Sa delay. Since

> > >17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo. The delay by

>Ju

> > >came to be over when Ju entered Libra (Libra is 7th in Kal-purush kundali

> > >and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in Libra).

> > >Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on 8th Nov

> > >1981.

> > >

> > >(There were no shortage of Mahurut's during this interim period of March

> > >1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me).

> > >

> > >8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon (the MD was also of

> > >Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house in the

> > >Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses A,B,C,

> >come

> > >eagerly forward to complete the related event.

> > >

> > >9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native got married in

>the

> > >AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married life. He

> >could

> > >not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child ( in

>late

> > >Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of Mars. Here Ke should behave like Sa &

> >Mo

> > >but more specifically like Sa)

> > >

> > >As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by this

> > >example.

> > >

> > >I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other laws

>(plus

> > >the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing.

> > >

> > >I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially pertaining to

> > >the delay factors of Sa & Ju.

> > >Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered Libra in

> > >transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when it entered

> > >Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. I think I am making some

>error

> > >in judging the end of the delay period by Sa & Ju.

> > >

> > >I need help here please..........

> > >

> > >Besides, I would also request the experienced KAS members to try &

>evaluate

> > >the chart as to why this person could not have a biological child and

> > >ultimately adopted one.

> > >

> > >Regards,

> > >Nikhlesh Mathur

> > >

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October 11, 2008

Dear

Nikhlesh ji,

Mo

is in Leo so Sun and Mars (Aries) are mo/9th. Now check where Su and Ma are in

navamsa. They are in 5:9.

Same

way Sun is in Pisces and 9th from pisces

is Sco so Ma is 9th lord so again Ju and Ma

are in 5:9 in Rasi. Here Ju is also

6th lord so point has to be kept in mind.

Lagna

and 9th lord of Navamsa are in 5:9 i.e. Sa and Me.

Mo

is also in Leo in Navamsa so again Su and Ma are in 5:9 in Navamsa.

These

are all standard laws, which we check for Lagna and 9th, we should

also check from Mo and Sun too. Its

given in lessons that we should check all things from Lagna and Sun and

Moon. Also for example we are

checking lagna, sun and moon in Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa for intelligence

so we are considering all 3 to get total effect.

So

I hope this is clear.

Another

point you have asked is about 10th lord in 5th house

means in 8th house from own house. So here this is overall effect and not

pertaining to some antra. Karak

controls the status of House B.

Now

10th lord by virtue of

being in 8th house means 10th house as A is effected, so

it means results of 3rd house is B will get affected. This is overall effect. It means 10th house is

loosing its status.

Regarding

her looks etc, that is a whole different topic and Guru ji

will cover it in due course of time.

So we can wait till then.

Remainder

part of Breathing problems and also of other things regarding 7th

and 8th house, if those can be checked it will be good.

Both

charts are showing problems, in male chart he married in low points and in

female chart she married in 6th lord antra (Ra=Ve

and Ju). So it is in line.

Other

things regarding her smartness, diplomacy and tack and also god fearing and pooja etc are all in line. Those can be checked easily.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur

Saturday October 11, 2008

9:25 AM

Re: RE: RE: RE:

Known chart

Dear Ash ji,

Your

analysis clarified many fundamentals. I have noted them separately in my notes

file. Thanks a lot for the same.

Now, I somehow could not understand the following;

1. You said that the chart has blessing looking from the

Moon chart. I could not find it how. Infact from Moon chart the lord of Asc

(Su) and lord of 9th (Ma) are 3:11. Will this be a blessing? I am right now

thinking that only 5:9 relationship of Asc & 9th give the blessings.

2. Can you please make us understand this blessing part once

again?

In the above chart there are several aspects which are causing problem in

marriage life but the blessings are neutralizing all of them (except the child

part).

The spouse of this lady is having good relations with the entire family of this

lady and is revered & called upon to finalize important discussions of the

lady’s family members. This lady keeps the status of her spouse quite

high and takes good care and maintains good relationship with the members of

the spouse’s family.

Meanwhile a general question erupted in my mind (not exactly related to this

chart) while understanding your analysis.

1. Does it give problems pertaining to that house if the

lord of A from it is sitting in the house A itself. For example if lord of 10th

is sitting in the 5th house, then does it give problem to the 10th house

matters in its AD or even otherwise, or say if lord of 7th is sitting in the

2nd house then does it give problem for marriage in general or its AD. T

hough I feel to have read about this, but at the moment I am missing it.

Can you please clarify?

Coming back to this couple or rather this lady, I can share the following

information which is confirmed;

1. The lady has a strange skin related problem where-in the

face, hands etc are covered with reddish patches (there is no itching in it).

Her looks are spoiled ( is it due to bad Ve ?)

It is assumed to be a delayed reaction of some medicine because this lady was

on medicine of different types for years together(Allopathic, Homeopathic,

Ayurvedic and may be even on some provided by the pseudo practitioners). This

was all because she & her spouse were desperate to have child and got into

all sorts of advices without gaining anything from them.

2. The lady does not have any other obvious disease or any

kind of illness (except some common problems of teeth).

3. Yes, she is god-fearing, does her pooja rituals, and

strongly believes in astrology; she is a housewife.

4. One significant thing is that one of her younger brother

is financially & status-wise very well while the other younger one has

problems in meeting both ends.

Regards,

Nikhlesh Mathur

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

>Dear Nikhlesh ji,

>

>This chart also has blessing as well. Ofcouse this would depend on

exact

>data but in Navamsa there is a blessing. Also from Mo and Sun

too. So

>there is blessing and in some cases 6th lord is involved afflicting the

>same.

>

>Now, there is delay as u have given and Ju cannot check it. At the

same

>time here Ju is with 4 bindus but it is 6th lord. Now Such a Guru is

with

>Sa in navamsa and its aspected by Ma too. These things will spoil

Guru and

>then this might make the native more prone to cancer.

>

>Also this lady might have some breathing problems or asthma or something of

>that sort, if you can confirm it will be good learning.

>

>Now this Guru which is spoilt is aspecting 7th house and is also conjoining

>7th lord and 8th lord. This can give problems relating to these areas

so it

>might give some problems with her ovaries production or her Fallopian tubes

>or she might have something like a cystic fibrosis.

>

>This might cause some problems. In this chart 2nd lord is in 9th

house i.e.

>in 8th from 2nd house so it will definitely affect happiness of 7th house

>and also NK Venus is only 0.8 deg away from Sun and at same time being

>aspected by Saturn.

>

>Karak for conception is 6th house i..e 11th as B. We check both 5th

and

>11th house for child birth. Here the status of 6th lord is spoilt as

given

>above so this might cause problems with result of 11th house.

>

>Also another point to note is that the marriage was in Rahu period.

Now Ra

>is SD to Ve and Ju. Ju is 6th lord. So here it will give

marriage as its

>in House D but it can't give happiness as there is involvement of 6th lord.

>So here there is Timing v/s Quality too. So timing can happen and it

did.

>

>Also one more point to note is that 6th lord is in 3rd house so that is

>karak sthan for 8th house and its lord Me is in 8th from 3rd. So this

might

>cause some problems with 8th house matters as well. Also 6th lord is

>conjoining 8th lord of Rasi in navamsa and on top of that the 6th lord has

>been further disturbed by Ma and Sa making it more malefic.

>

>6th lord is Ve and its SD to Ju who is also 6th lord. Here Ju is

aspecting

>9th house thereby having enemity with 9th house so it will also act more

>like 6th lord.

>

>Here to both Karaks for marriage Su and Ve are both in SD to 6th lord as

>well. At same time Ve is too close to sun and aspected by Sa and Su

is in

>8th from 2nd house as well.

>

>So all these things are pointing to less happiness in marital life but

there

>will not be a break in marriage due to blessings and also this lady is

smart

>and has also will believe in karmakand and puja and is god fearing.

>

>This is a good chart to study.

>

>I do understand that these matters are very personal and it might put

Nitish

>ji in an awkard position to ask these things. That said, if

information can

>be found then it will be good learning and can confirm all these findings.

>

>Thanks,

>Cheers !!!

>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> On Behalf Of nikhlesh

>mathur

>Friday October 10, 2008 9:16 AM

>

>Re: RE: RE: Known chart

>

>10.10.08

>Dear Group Members,

>

> Thanks to Mr

Ash for his words on the case.

>

>I got the chart of the wife of this native ans did my analysis on it.

>

>It is as follows..........

>

>We were discussing the marriage date and child adoption of this native

>(Native: Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0, Asc: 9

>Sg 39)

>

>Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother

>Marriage took place on 08.11.1981

>Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.

>

>For cross-verification we thought of checking the same with the birth

>details of this native's wife.

>

>Wife's birth details are: 11/04/1957, 13:44 hrs, 26.53.N, 75.50 E, Asc =

>22Cn 22

>

>Analysis of marriage date:

>

>Sa is in 5th house in natal chart. So it is aspecting A,B,C and therefore

>causing full delay. Ju is seeing lord of A (Su) in natal chart. So there is

>delay of Ju also.

>

>There is no aspect of Ju on Sa. So Ju is not moderating the dealy.

>

>Sa is 21.Sc.40. So the delay of Sa will be over when Sa cross 21:40 degrees

>in Virgo. It did so on 18th Oct 1981 ( Is this right? I personally need to

>understand this concept again. Can anyone explain please).

>

>We see here that inspite of marriage fixation in March 1981, the event got

>extended to beyond Oct 1981.

>

>On 18th Oct 1981 the Ju was in Virgo and thus was casting its 5th eye on

the

>7th house. Interestingly the delay of Ju was also getting over

>simultaneously (Is this right to analyze like this....?).

>

>Ju was then in its last lap in Virgo. It moved on to Libra on 23rd Oct 1981

>(7th house of Kal-Purush kundali).

>

>This lady got married on 8th Nov 1981 with the native: Male, 25.09.1953,

>13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY 22:19:0,Asc: 9 Sg 39).

>

>There is no zero in the chart. The lady got married in the AD of Rahu

>(sector-2). Rahu for her is acting more like Ve.

>

>Her Ve is LoD for her 7th house and has high points from Asc. The same Ve

>has low points for 7th from both Sun & Moon.

>

>Interestingly here her LoE is Me. This Me is SD to Ve because her Me is in

>the Nks of Ve. So Me (LoE here) must also have facilitated the event of

>marriage.

>

>Now the point to ponder upon is that she got married in AD of high power

>planet but her husband got married in the AD of low power planet for 7th

>house.

>

>Having said this, another point which is significant here is that the Ve of

>this lady is hardly 1 degree away from her Sun. So the natural qualities of

>Ve are totally spoiled (remember she & her husband do not have a

biological

>child).

>

>Analysis for child:

>

>Taking B=5, A=12, C= 9, D=2, E=10,

>LoA = Me, LoB = Ma, LoC=Ju, LoD = Su, LoE= Me

>

>Sa is sitting in house B & is seeing house LoB.

>Ju is seeing LoB.

>

>These placements show delay in child birth.

>

>The Functional karak for child is Me which has good points for almost all

>the houses. Yes, it is aspected by Rahu in natal chart but at the same time

>Ju sees it in Navansh.

>

>The natural Karak for the child is Venus ( 12th house) which is also a

karak

>of the 7th house. For this lady the Ve is totally spoiled (due to extremely

>close proximity to Sun).

>

>This could be the single largest reason for her not being able to bear a

>child biologically.

>

>I could not see any medical related problem in this context. Apart from a

>very bad Venus I am not able to see any other reason for this lady being

>issueless.

>

>So is this a case where this lady could not bear the child only because of

>related medical problems in her spouse?

>

>I have a strong inkling for this. May be I will gather courage and ask the

>native someday sometime about this.

>

>Awaiting analysis and reasoning of other KAS group members, please.....

>

>Regards,

>Nikhlesh Mathur

>

>On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

> >Dear Nikhlesh ji,

> >

> >Today Medical Advancements have become very good. Just think for

child

> >birth we are studying 12th house as Karak. So what does that

mean, it

>means

> >that 12th house is the Doer or say Natural means via mating. For

that one

> >must have a good 7th house i.e Root Karak.

> >

> >So the status of both these house must be studied as well. Guru

is NK

>karak

> >for child birth and its also called putra karak and Venus is Karak for

12th

> >i.e. Natural 7th lord.

> >

> >So that is 1 aspect of things. Secondly, the health of the

natives and 8th

> >house also becomes important. If those are spoilt then there can

be

> >problems.

> >

> >Now, our basic law and u have noticed in this chart is that the

marriage

> >happened in low points. So here the husband and wife might be

getting

>along

> >well or might have good relationship, however the low points indicates

> >something.

> >

> >This shows that there is some problem. Now what sort of problem

is another

> >thing. I have mentioned about such charts in some earlier emails

when

> >talking about marriage in low points.

> >

> >Now, for husband and wife to marry or say 2 people to marry then

marriage

> >date must be shown in both charts or it should be same date correct?

> >

> >Same way, if say one in the couple has some problem then both charts

will

> >indicate some problem so say, the marriage might be in low points.

> >

> >The power of understanding that when marriage happens in lowest points

or

> >low points i.e. less than 12 in WS has a very deep meaning. You

can go

>into

> >great detail using advanced portion of KAS, however for Timing of

Event

>that

> >is not necessary.

> >

> >The wife's chart also must show problem. Now, unless the husband

has some

> >other relation for that there must be yog's and might have child with

some

> >other lady then it's a different matter and its better we do not probe

any

> >further. This I am saying in general and not for this particular

case.

> >

> >However, the big thing is that this native married in lowest points

and

> >there is not natural child. So as far as timing of events goes,

things are

> >in line.

> >

> >Now, the wife's chart can also be studied in detail. Both charts

will be

>in

> >line.

> >

> >Such things can also be used in rectification of a chart as well.

> >

> >Cheers !!!

> >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > On Behalf Of

nikhlesh

> >mathur

> >Wednesday October 8, 2008 12:39 AM

> >

> >Re: RE: Known chart

> >

> >Dear Ash ji,

> >

> > Surely I will get the chart

of this native's wife and will put

> >it in the forum sometime tomorrow after analyzing it myself.

> >

> >I have spoken to this native to given me the details.

> >

> >Now here, I have a question......

> >

> >If the wife's chart also shows problems in bearing a biological child

then

> >it is clear that the couple might not have one.

> >

> >Now what happens if the wife's chart does NOT show any such

indication?

> >

> >In other words, if the chart of only one partner shows that he/she is

fit

> >for producing children then does the planetary placements of the other

> >partner helps or stops them from producing biological child?

> >

> >If that is so then this phenomenon becomes very important while we

match

>the

> >charts for arranged marriages.

> >

> >I personally believe that the phases of MD & AD at the right age

of both

> >partners are of great importance here when one partner is capable

while the

> >other is not so capable, as visible astrologically from their charts.

> >

> >Can I please have your words of wisdom on this facet.

> >

> >Regards,

> >Nikhlesh Mathur

> >

> >On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :

> > >Dear Nikhlesh ji,

> > >

> > >If you also have the chart of this native's wife then please give

that as

> > >well. For child birth both charts must be checked very

carefully.

> > >

> > >Also the marriage time can be checked in wife's chart too.

That way you

> > >can also check by overlapping of charts the relation between Su,

Mo for

> > >friendship and Ra, Sa with Ma and Ve.

> > >

> > >Cheers !!!

> > >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > >

> > > On Behalf Of

nikhlesh

> > >mathur

> > >Tuesday October 7, 2008 9:33 AM

> > >

> > >Re: Re: RE: Known chart

> > >

> > >07.10.2008

> > >

> > >Dear Group Members,

> > >

> > > A

very happy Dusshera to you all......

> > >

> > >For the sake of practice, I have taken up a chart with known

marriage

>date

> > >and then derived the date through KAS. The native is very well

known to

>me.

> > >

> > >I request the members to try the same.......

> > >

> > >Native : Male, 25.09.1953, 13:13 hrs, 27.N.22, 75.E.32, KAY

22:19:0, Asc:

>9

> > >Sg 39

> > >

> > >Known facts:

> > >Marriage fixation was in March 1981 by Elder brother, Mother

> > >Marriage took place on 08.11.1981

> > >Other relevant information: He does not have a biological child.

> > >

> > >Question :

> > >Deriving the already known marriage date as per the KAS theories.

> > >Finding relevance to the fact the he has an adopted child (adopted

in

>late

> > >Feb 1996).

> > >

> > >My Analysis:

> > >

> > >1. In natal chart Sa is present in house C for

marriage. It is lord of

> > >A. It does not have any aspect on LoB (Me) or LoC (Ve). In

Navansh Sa

>sees

> > >LoB of natal chart (Me) by 10th aspect but as learnt sometime

back, we do

> > >not see lords in Navansh for Sa delay. So there is full delay by

Sa.

> > >

> > >2. Ju is in house B in natal chart. Ju sees LoB (Sa)

of Natal chart by

> > >its 5th aspect. In Navansh Ju & Sa are together.

> > >

> > >3. So there are delays both from Sa & Ju.

Sa is 4.Li.26(Libra).

> > >

> > >4. Delay of Sa must have been over when Sa arrived

in Virgo in the

> > >transit for the first time after the birth of this native. This

occurred

>on

> > >17.07.1980. So native's marriage talks must have gathered

momentum after

> > >that.

> > >

> > >5. There is no strong indication of a love marriage

(apart from Ma &

>Ve

> > >being together with < 25 degree distance). Happiness is

marriage is not

> >seen

> > >good as per KAS laws. The combinations are either 4:10 (moderate)

or 2:12

> > >(tolerable). It is not bad either & in such cases it can be

assumed that

> > >some void may be there.

> > >

> > >6. At that time the native was passing through the

AD of Ve in the MD

>of

> > >Sun (May 1980 to May 1981). This Ve is 6th lord and is placed

with Ma. It

> > >has BAV high points (5). Ve is NK from Asc and NK + FK from both

Sun &

> >Moon.

> > >Ve has more than 12 points from Asc & Sun. Ve is SD to Ma and

this Ma is

> >LoE

> > > from Asc. Since the AD of Ve came first as soon as the delay of

Sa was

> >over

> > >it came forward to bring in the result for Ma (which is LoE). So

the

>native

> > >got engaged in March 1981.

> > >

> > >7. The marriage however did not take place in the AD

of Ve (ie before

> > >May 1981) probably because;

> > >

> > >i) Certain voids are observed in native's married

life and Ve has high

> > >points (>12). Unhappiness expected in marriage & marriage

in high power

> > >planet is contradictory with each other. Also taking MF into

account Ve

> > >points get decreased to less than 12.

> > >

> > >ii) Secondly, Jupiter's delay is also to be added to

Sa delay. Since

> > >17.07.1980 and until 26.10.1981 Ju traveled in Leo & Virgo.

The delay by

>Ju

> > >came to be over when Ju entered Libra (Libra is 7th in Kal-purush

kundali

> > >and here in natal chart also had its sight on the house B when in

Libra).

> > >Thus Ju delay got over on 26th Oct 1981 and the native married on

8th Nov

> > >1981.

> > >

> > >(There were no shortage of Mahurut's during this interim period

of March

> > >1981 to Nov 1981, as confirmed by the native to me).

> > >

> > >8. The native thus got married in the AD of Moon

(the MD was also of

> > >Moon). Looking back we find that his Moon is placed in 2nd house

in the

> > >Navansh ie. in house A of the Navansh kundali. Planets in houses

A,B,C,

> >come

> > >eagerly forward to complete the related event.

> > >

> > >9. Mo is having low points for 7th house. The native

got married in

>the

> > >AD of Mo. He has voids in his otherwise average happy married

life. He

> >could

> > >not have a biological child and late in life adopted a male child

( in

>late

> > >Feb 1996 during AD of Ketu in MD of Mars. Here Ke should behave

like Sa &

> >Mo

> > >but more specifically like Sa)

> > >

> > >As far as marriage is concerned the KAS laws stand validated by

this

> > >example.

> > >

> > >I would request KAS members to validate by using many more other

laws

>(plus

> > >the other angles) which did not strike me while analyzing.

> > >

> > >I would request KAS experts to verify my analysis specially

pertaining to

> > >the delay factors of Sa & Ju.

> > >Is it right to assume that Ju delay was over when it entered

Libra in

> > >transit (my analysis point no. 7 ii) & Sa delay was over when

it entered

> > >Virgo in transit (my analysis point no.4)?. I think I am

making some

>error

> > >in judging the end of the delay period by Sa & Ju.

> > >

> > >I need help here please..........

> > >

> > >Besides, I would also request the experienced KAS members to try

&

>evaluate

> > >the chart as to why this person could not have a biological child

and

> > >ultimately adopted one.

> > >

> > >Regards,

> > >Nikhlesh Mathur

> > >

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