Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Sub: 24.12.53,12:05 pm, 11.N.28, 78.E.10, Asc: 6Pi58 Dear Ramesh JI & Prabha ji & all Group Members, I think all of us, at some point of time, thought on the same lines which Ramesh ji have mentioned. Actually, I am beggining to be drawn towards a view point that in case of love marriage or even arranged marriage within known families, it is very difficult to ascertain the accurate marriage date. So many factors work simultaneously and on most occasions they act counter to the derivation. This particular chart showed indications of love marriage and in case of most affairs, the couples normally decide between themselves about marriage before they spill the beans. The date of their common decision / agreement can also be termed as marriage, even if there has been no physical involvement. The definition of marriage is itself different to different people, society, country etc. A serious thought process / talks etc for eligible people in familiries, by the elders of either families may also come under the sector which gets derived ( or seriously indicated) for marriage through KAS analysis . Sometimes (however it is quite rare now in modern society), the parents / grand parents decide the groom / bride but keep it confidential to the concerned native till they come to stand on their feet. Besides, there could be several reasons ( even reasons such as obstructions due to death of some far off relative of the family) for the alteration in dates, as has been time & again emphasized by senior KAS members. With time, I think some of us will be able to tabulate the exact derived dates by KAS rules and the corresponding actual date of marriage and then evolve some permutations & combinations in the charts to draw out some similarity. I think something positive will come out which will clarify & popularize KAS further. Practice on charts will definitely make us do this one day. I just wanted to express my thoughts on this, and hence this mail. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 ramesh mishra wrote : >Dear Prabha Ji and all, > I think you did not read my mail. I had written that the native might have married in the month of Jun/1982. > There is a difference of 10 months quite longer difference from that of Aug/1981. > Once I too thought of Sa antara but I discarded it with the following reasons. > 1.The native lagna SAV point is high with 32 points. > 2.His Mo is under the influences of Ra and Ke. > 3.His Ve is in Mool nakshtra and aspected by Sa. > 4.His both the luminaries are aspected by Sa. > 5.His Sa LoE is in 6th house in navamsa. Though Sa is LoE and entitled for giving the result of 7th in its antara, being in 6th house I rejected this antara considering the abovementioned factors which may cause further delay. > So I opted Me LoD antara. Moreover Me is in 7th in navamsa. > However mistake is mistake. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya wrote: > Respected Guruji, Ash ji, and List members, >1. His wife confirms the birth time but is not sure. So time of birth >can be 12.16am. >2. He was away from parents and did his schooling staying in a >hostel. >3. He is also persistent and does things his own way. >4. Other some details are - He worked in a bank (his first job) >around october 1975. He met his wife in 1978 and married her on >19/8/1981. His parents didn't have good relation. His mother >actually left his father in 1975 and because of that he couldn't get >good percentage in graduation. >5. After meeting his wife she encouraged him to study and his >first training for services was on 25/8/1981. >6. Child was born after 6yrs of delay on 16/1/1987. >Thanks >Prabha >PS:- Since we are focussing on date of marriage, is it ok if I post >his wife's details. > , " Ash's >Corner " <kas wrote: > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji and Prabha ji, > > > > Very good analysis. So you did come to Sa antra and Me antra. > > > > Yes, one thing, when there is 1:7 relation between lagna and 7th >lord then > > it means opposition or more like dominating. When there are >disputes then > > its 6:8 or 2:12 relation. > > > > So overall there is less happiness and also as u have observed >clearly about > > the status of Natural karak venus who is spoilt by being in mool >and being > > aspected by Sa and Sa also aspects both luminaries. > > > > Also about the nature of the person, his moon is aspected by >Rahu and its > > with Sa making him more detached and also whimsical and >persistent about > > things as he has more sectors of Sa and Me. > > > > There is also 6:8 between lagna and 9th so blessing factor is not >there. > > Native might be away or might have less happiness from father >maybe due to > > living away from father in early age or separation from father. If >Prabha > > ji can find out it will be good. > > > > Therefore for timing of event, LoD and LoE are eager. That has >to be kept > > in mind. If they get a chance they will try to give the event and >that too > > eagerly. Here even if Sa was causing delay or say delay >causing if the time > > was 12:16 still then it would try to give the marriage in the 1st >sector > > itself as our laws is that " if the delay causing planet, itself is lod >or > > loe then it will try to give the event in 1st sector or early " . > > > > So if Prabha ji can find out when his marriage was fixed and was >the delay > > due to mahurat or some other man made factors it will also be >good learning. > > > > This is a very interesting chart, so keep this finding in mind >when studying > > other charts. You will find that LoD and LoE are very eager to >give event > > if they get a chance. > > > > The marriage quality is not good, but marriage has sustained >and they have a > > child together as well. So on the whole marriage happened in >LoE was good > > but quality was poor. > > > > Yes, one more thing, now that we know the career is as IAS >officer, Ju and > > Me and Ma are main career giving planets. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On >Behalf Of nikhlesh > > mathur > > Tuesday November 18, 2008 5:17 AM > > > > Re: A chart to study date >of marriage > > > > 18.11.2008 > > Question by Prabha ji: 24.12.53,12:05 pm, 11.N.28, 78.E.10 > > Asc: 6Pi58 > > Marriage when: > > > > Mt attempt at it; > > > > 1. There are no zeros in the chart. > > > > 2. Sa is aspecting only house A,but there is no delay by Sa. > > > > 3. Ju is aspecting house B and LoB in both natal & Navansh. >So there is > > Ju delay in the chart. Ju is in the sign belonging to Ve in the >natal chart. > > > > 4. Ve is spoilt as it is in the Mol Nks. It is further spoilt as it is > > aspected by Sa in both natal & Navansh. Ve is also associated >with 6th lord > > in natal chart.Uptil March 1986 the native was in the MD of Ve. > > > > 5. Except Ma & Ju, all planets have more than 12 points for >7th house. > > > > 6. General marriage happiness is not seen in the chart as lord >of Asc & > > lord of 7th ie Ju & Me are 1:7, Moon sign lord Moon is 4:10 to >7th lord from > > Moon, Sun sign lord Me is 1:7 to 7th lord Me from it. The 1st >house points > > are on the higher side which shows egoistic attitude in marital >relations. > > > > 7. The 5th house and the lord of 5th house are affected by Sa > & Ra and > > this definitely shows delay in child. Now we need to judge >whether the delay > > in child is due to delay in marriage or delay do to biological / >medical > > reasons. In male chart if 11th house & 8th house are affected it >creates > > problem in child birth. Here both are affected by Ma & Ra. > > > > 8. The 7th lord Ve is affected by Sa, then by 6th lord and then >by the > > virtue of it being in Mool Nks. The presence of Ma with fewer >points in 8th > > house also disturbs reproductive capability. Further, both Ma > & Sa are in > > the Nks of Rahu. > > > > 9. Let us first try to evaluate the marriage date. > > > > 10. Me & Sa are LoD & LoE for 7th house matters. So both >should be eager > > to give marriage in their AD's, particularly in the MD of Ve. This >means > > that marriage could have happened during Jan 1979 to Feb 1980 >(sector-1 of > > AD of Sa) or from March 1982 to March 1083(sector-1 of AD of >Me). There are > > no zeros in the chart, so I am presuming sector-1 in both cases. > > > > But both Me & Sa have high points for 7th house. And >marriage happiness is > > not seen here. This is contradictory. > > > > Hence marriage must not have happened in the AD of SA or >Me. > > > > 11. We have also observed that there is less happiness in >marital life > > and therefore marriage might have happened in a low power >planet. This could > > be Ju. But the AD of Ju completed in Jan1979 ( 25 yrs age) and >Ju delay was > > not over by that time. > > > > 12. Here Ketu is working like Ju and AD of Ketu was from Jan >1985 to > > March 1986. In 1985 (say in March 1985) Ju was in Capricorn >and hence > > aspecting the 7th house. > > > > 13. So I believe that marriage might have happened in the >period Jan > > 1985 to June 1985. The birth of child must have got further >delayed. > > > > Regards, > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 prabha.acharya wrote : > > >Respected Guruji, Ash ji, and List members, > > >This is a chart of a male: > > >DOB 24/12/1953 > > >TOB 12.05pm > > >POB Rasipuram, Tamil Nadu, India. > > > 11N28, 78E10 > > > > > >To find the date of marriage. > > >He is married and has a 18yr old son. > > > > > >Thanks > > >Prabha > > > > > > Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh ji, What a wonderful mail. You have articulated your chain of thoughts and the acceptance that a lot of thought goes into timing of events for an event like marriage. This is sort of a graduation email, and by that I meant that you have taken the laws of KAS, and have applied them. Initially one applies the laws and considers them as “Fixed” and then after solving many charts, one begins to realize that the laws given are “Guidelines” which have to be augmented by “intelligent” application and to be understood w.r.t. Desh Kaal and Paatra principle. Even all the Maharishis have to be carefully understood applied with sense and judgment. For example in Chapter 4 of Brihat Jataka “If Makara or Kumbha navamsa rises at the time of conception, aspected by Sani, the child will be born after 4 years. If Katakamsa rises at the time of conception, aspected by Chandra, then the birth occurs after 12 years of pregnancy. The details in this chapter must be carefully understood and applied with sense and judgment.” Even in other classics such things are given. You are on proper track Nikhlesh ji and these questions and chain of thoughts have come to you after sincere solving of many charts and now you are progressing to the next level of depth. With KAS, you will gain the understanding of how Powerful the WS is a tool and with that we are getting the power of all 7 planets in all 12 house of the Rasi and all 16 D charts. This is such a huge thing. In due course of time, the magnitude just of this will be appreciated. Even finding if any chart has delay or moderate delay or no delay in a clear way is a big thing too. Now delay is relative as that will depend on various other factors based on so many things. But still you are able to say that this chart has delay and delay is w.r.t what is considered early. So if for someone or the general trend is marriage at 15/16 then delay might be even 23 years. If in some where early marriage is about 24 then delay might be 34/35/36 or like that and then too it might depend on nature of the person too, surroundings etc etc etc. All such things are to be applied with intelligence and judgment after considering all factors. Yes, one more thing, if a person approaches an astrologer then you will find that the accuracy of readings increases too as one can find out easily about the society, background, culture, upbringing (sanskriti) etc etc. All these are playing a part as well. When solving charts here on list, we are sticking to the laws and the science portion only and trying to judge with the data we have. That is one of the reasons why Guru ji has also asked to furnish more and more events so that we can judge if the chart is correct. Without knowing or verifying the correctness of the chart, making any predictions is of no use. I really enjoyed reading this mail. When I started KAS and to where I am now in my understanding has truly been a journey and where I am destined to be I am sure will be another wonderful journey. So enjoying every moment of it. J Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur Thursday November 20, 2008 8:44 AM To: Re: Re: Re: A chart to study date of marriage Sub: 24.12.53,12:05 pm, 11.N.28, 78.E.10, Asc: 6Pi58 Dear Ramesh JI & Prabha ji & all Group Members, I think all of us, at some point of time, thought on the same lines which Ramesh ji have mentioned. Actually, I am beggining to be drawn towards a view point that in case of love marriage or even arranged marriage within known families, it is very difficult to ascertain the accurate marriage date. So many factors work simultaneously and on most occasions they act counter to the derivation. This particular chart showed indications of love marriage and in case of most affairs, the couples normally decide between themselves about marriage before they spill the beans. The date of their common decision / agreement can also be termed as marriage, even if there has been no physical involvement. The definition of marriage is itself different to different people, society, country etc. A serious thought process / talks etc for eligible people in familiries, by the elders of either families may also come under the sector which gets derived ( or seriously indicated) for marriage through KAS analysis . Sometimes (however it is quite rare now in modern society), the parents / grand parents decide the groom / bride but keep it confidential to the concerned native till they come to stand on their feet. Besides, there could be several reasons ( even reasons such as obstructions due to death of some far off relative of the family) for the alteration in dates, as has been time & again emphasized by senior KAS members. With time, I think some of us will be able to tabulate the exact derived dates by KAS rules and the corresponding actual date of marriage and then evolve some permutations & combinations in the charts to draw out some similarity. I think something positive will come out which will clarify & popularize KAS further. Practice on charts will definitely make us do this one day. I just wanted to express my thoughts on this, and hence this mail. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 ramesh mishra wrote : >Dear Prabha Ji and all, > I think you did not read my mail. I had written that the native might have married in the month of Jun/1982. > There is a difference of 10 months quite longer difference from that of Aug/1981. > Once I too thought of Sa antara but I discarded it with the following reasons. > 1.The native lagna SAV point is high with 32 points. > 2.His Mo is under the influences of Ra and Ke. > 3.His Ve is in Mool nakshtra and aspected by Sa. > 4.His both the luminaries are aspected by Sa. > 5.His Sa LoE is in 6th house in navamsa. Though Sa is LoE and entitled for giving the result of 7th in its antara, being in 6th house I rejected this antara considering the abovementioned factors which may cause further delay. > So I opted Me LoD antara. Moreover Me is in 7th in navamsa. > However mistake is mistake. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya wrote: > Respected Guruji, Ash ji, and List members, >1. His wife confirms the birth time but is not sure. So time of birth >can be 12.16am. >2. He was away from parents and did his schooling staying in a >hostel. >3. He is also persistent and does things his own way. >4. Other some details are - He worked in a bank (his first job) >around october 1975. He met his wife in 1978 and married her on >19/8/1981. His parents didn't have good relation. His mother >actually left his father in 1975 and because of that he couldn't get >good percentage in graduation. >5. After meeting his wife she encouraged him to study and his >first training for services was on 25/8/1981. >6. Child was born after 6yrs of delay on 16/1/1987. >Thanks >Prabha >PS:- Since we are focussing on date of marriage, is it ok if I post >his wife's details. > , " Ash's >Corner " <kas wrote: > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji and Prabha ji, > > > > Very good analysis. So you did come to Sa antra and Me antra. > > > > Yes, one thing, when there is 1:7 relation between lagna and 7th >lord then > > it means opposition or more like dominating. When there are >disputes then > > its 6:8 or 2:12 relation. > > > > So overall there is less happiness and also as u have observed >clearly about > > the status of Natural karak venus who is spoilt by being in mool >and being > > aspected by Sa and Sa also aspects both luminaries. > > > > Also about the nature of the person, his moon is aspected by >Rahu and its > > with Sa making him more detached and also whimsical and >persistent about > > things as he has more sectors of Sa and Me. > > > > There is also 6:8 between lagna and 9th so blessing factor is not >there. > > Native might be away or might have less happiness from father >maybe due to > > living away from father in early age or separation from father. If >Prabha > > ji can find out it will be good. > > > > Therefore for timing of event, LoD and LoE are eager. That has >to be kept > > in mind. If they get a chance they will try to give the event and >that too > > eagerly. Here even if Sa was causing delay or say delay >causing if the time > > was 12:16 still then it would try to give the marriage in the 1st >sector > > itself as our laws is that " if the delay causing planet, itself is lod >or > > loe then it will try to give the event in 1st sector or early " . > > > > So if Prabha ji can find out when his marriage was fixed and was >the delay > > due to mahurat or some other man made factors it will also be >good learning. > > > > This is a very interesting chart, so keep this finding in mind >when studying > > other charts. You will find that LoD and LoE are very eager to >give event > > if they get a chance. > > > > The marriage quality is not good, but marriage has sustained >and they have a > > child together as well. So on the whole marriage happened in >LoE was good > > but quality was poor. > > > > Yes, one more thing, now that we know the career is as IAS >officer, Ju and > > Me and Ma are main career giving planets. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On >Behalf Of nikhlesh > > mathur > > Tuesday November 18, 2008 5:17 AM > > > > Re: A chart to study date >of marriage > > > > 18.11.2008 > > Question by Prabha ji: 24.12.53,12:05 pm, 11.N.28, 78.E.10 > > Asc: 6Pi58 > > Marriage when: > > > > Mt attempt at it; > > > > 1. There are no zeros in the chart. > > > > 2. Sa is aspecting only house A,but there is no delay by Sa. > > > > 3. Ju is aspecting house B and LoB in both natal & Navansh. >So there is > > Ju delay in the chart. Ju is in the sign belonging to Ve in the >natal chart. > > > > 4. Ve is spoilt as it is in the Mol Nks. It is further spoilt as it is > > aspected by Sa in both natal & Navansh. Ve is also associated >with 6th lord > > in natal chart.Uptil March 1986 the native was in the MD of Ve. > > > > 5. Except Ma & Ju, all planets have more than 12 points for >7th house. > > > > 6. General marriage happiness is not seen in the chart as lord >of Asc & > > lord of 7th ie Ju & Me are 1:7, Moon sign lord Moon is 4:10 to >7th lord from > > Moon, Sun sign lord Me is 1:7 to 7th lord Me from it. The 1st >house points > > are on the higher side which shows egoistic attitude in marital >relations. > > > > 7. The 5th house and the lord of 5th house are affected by Sa > & Ra and > > this definitely shows delay in child. Now we need to judge >whether the delay > > in child is due to delay in marriage or delay do to biological / >medical > > reasons. In male chart if 11th house & 8th house are affected it >creates > > problem in child birth. Here both are affected by Ma & Ra. > > > > 8. The 7th lord Ve is affected by Sa, then by 6th lord and then >by the > > virtue of it being in Mool Nks. The presence of Ma with fewer >points in 8th > > house also disturbs reproductive capability. Further, both Ma > & Sa are in > > the Nks of Rahu. > > > > 9. Let us first try to evaluate the marriage date. > > > > 10. Me & Sa are LoD & LoE for 7th house matters. So both >should be eager > > to give marriage in their AD's, particularly in the MD of Ve. This >means > > that marriage could have happened during Jan 1979 to Feb 1980 >(sector-1 of > > AD of Sa) or from March 1982 to March 1083(sector-1 of AD of >Me). There are > > no zeros in the chart, so I am presuming sector-1 in both cases. > > > > But both Me & Sa have high points for 7th house. And >marriage happiness is > > not seen here. This is contradictory. > > > > Hence marriage must not have happened in the AD of SA or >Me. > > > > 11. We have also observed that there is less happiness in >marital life > > and therefore marriage might have happened in a low power >planet. This could > > be Ju. But the AD of Ju completed in Jan1979 ( 25 yrs age) and >Ju delay was > > not over by that time. > > > > 12. Here Ketu is working like Ju and AD of Ketu was from Jan >1985 to > > March 1986. In 1985 (say in March 1985) Ju was in Capricorn >and hence > > aspecting the 7th house. > > > > 13. So I believe that marriage might have happened in the >period Jan > > 1985 to June 1985. The birth of child must have got further >delayed. > > > > Regards, > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 prabha.acharya wrote : > > >Respected Guruji, Ash ji, and List members, > > >This is a chart of a male: > > >DOB 24/12/1953 > > >TOB 12.05pm > > >POB Rasipuram, Tamil Nadu, India. > > > 11N28, 78E10 > > > > > >To find the date of marriage. > > >He is married and has a 18yr old son. > > > > > >Thanks > > >Prabha > > > > > > Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Dear Ash ji, Thanks for your appreciation. I too have started enjoying the analysis by KAS theories and with each mail of all our members, some new thing gets clarified. I am really thankful to you and each one of them. I re-write the essence of the mails from senior & experienced members as KAS rules and have till now accumulated about 70 pertinent points. I keep reading those and this is helping in the study. I look forward to many more technical clarifications ( from time to time) from you & all other members to go futher deep down in the KAS understanding. Thanks & Regards, NIkhlesh Mathur Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : >Dear Nikhlesh ji, > >What a wonderful mail. You have articulated your chain of thoughts and the >acceptance that a lot of thought goes into timing of events for an event >like marriage. This is sort of a graduation email, and by that I meant that >you have taken the laws of KAS, and have applied them. Initially one >applies the laws and considers them as " Fixed " and then after solving many >charts, one begins to realize that the laws given are " Guidelines " which >have to be augmented by " intelligent " application and to be understood >w.r.t. Desh Kaal and Paatra principle. > >Even all the Maharishis have to be carefully understood applied with sense >and judgment. > >For example in Chapter 4 of Brihat Jataka > > " If Makara or Kumbha navamsa rises at the time of conception, aspected by >Sani, the child will be born after 4 years. If Katakamsa rises at the time >of conception, aspected by Chandra, then the birth occurs after 12 years of >pregnancy. The details in this chapter must be carefully understood and >applied with sense and judgment. " > >Even in other classics such things are given. > >You are on proper track Nikhlesh ji and these questions and chain of >thoughts have come to you after sincere solving of many charts and now you >are progressing to the next level of depth. > >With KAS, you will gain the understanding of how Powerful the WS is a tool >and with that we are getting the power of all 7 planets in all 12 house of >the Rasi and all 16 D charts. This is such a huge thing. In due course of >time, the magnitude just of this will be appreciated. > >Even finding if any chart has delay or moderate delay or no delay in a clear >way is a big thing too. Now delay is relative as that will depend on >various other factors based on so many things. But still you are able to >say that this chart has delay and delay is w.r.t what is considered early. > >So if for someone or the general trend is marriage at 15/16 then delay might >be even 23 years. If in some where early marriage is about 24 then delay >might be 34/35/36 or like that and then too it might depend on nature of the >person too, surroundings etc etc etc. All such things are to be applied >with intelligence and judgment after considering all factors. > >Yes, one more thing, if a person approaches an astrologer then you will find >that the accuracy of readings increases too as one can find out easily about >the society, background, culture, upbringing (sanskriti) etc etc. All these >are playing a part as well. When solving charts here on list, we are >sticking to the laws and the science portion only and trying to judge with >the data we have. That is one of the reasons why Guru ji has also asked to >furnish more and more events so that we can judge if the chart is correct. >Without knowing or verifying the correctness of the chart, making any >predictions is of no use. > >I really enjoyed reading this mail. When I started KAS and to where I am >now in my understanding has truly been a journey and where I am destined to >be I am sure will be another wonderful journey. So enjoying every moment of >it. :-) > > >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh >mathur >Thursday November 20, 2008 8:44 AM > >Re: Re: Re: A chart to study date of >marriage > > >Sub: 24.12.53,12:05 pm, 11.N.28, 78.E.10, Asc: 6Pi58 > >Dear Ramesh JI & Prabha ji & all Group Members, > > I think all of us, at some point of time, >thought on the same lines which Ramesh ji have mentioned. > >Actually, I am beggining to be drawn towards a view point that in case of >love marriage or even arranged marriage within known families, it is very >difficult to ascertain the accurate marriage date. So many factors work >simultaneously and on most occasions they act counter to the derivation. > >This particular chart showed indications of love marriage and in case of >most affairs, the couples normally decide between themselves about marriage >before they spill the beans. > >The date of their common decision / agreement can also be termed as >marriage, even if there has been no physical involvement. > >The definition of marriage is itself different to different people, society, >country etc. > >A serious thought process / talks etc for eligible people in familiries, by >the elders of either families may also come under the sector which gets >derived ( or seriously indicated) for marriage through KAS analysis . > >Sometimes (however it is quite rare now in modern society), the parents / >grand parents decide the groom / bride but keep it confidential to the >concerned native till they come to stand on their feet. > >Besides, there could be several reasons ( even reasons such as obstructions >due to death of some far off relative of the family) for the alteration in >dates, as has been time & again emphasized by senior KAS members. > >With time, I think some of us will be able to tabulate the exact derived >dates by KAS rules and the corresponding actual date of marriage and then >evolve some permutations & combinations in the charts to draw out some >similarity. > >I think something positive will come out which will clarify & popularize KAS >further. > >Practice on charts will definitely make us do this one day. > >I just wanted to express my thoughts on this, and hence this mail. > >Regards, >Nikhlesh Mathur > >On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 ramesh mishra wrote : > >Dear Prabha Ji and all, > > I think you did not read my mail. I had written that the native might >have married in the month of Jun/1982. > > There is a difference of 10 months quite longer difference from that of >Aug/1981. > > Once I too thought of Sa antara but I discarded it with the following >reasons. > > 1.The native lagna SAV point is high with 32 points. > > 2.His Mo is under the influences of Ra and Ke. > > 3.His Ve is in Mool nakshtra and aspected by Sa. > > 4.His both the luminaries are aspected by Sa. > > 5.His Sa LoE is in 6th house in navamsa. Though Sa is LoE and entitled >for giving the result of 7th in its antara, being in 6th house I rejected >this antara considering the abovementioned factors which may cause further >delay. > > So I opted Me LoD antara. Moreover Me is in 7th in navamsa. > > However mistake is mistake. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya wrote: > > Respected Guruji, Ash ji, and List members, > >1. His wife confirms the birth time but is not sure. So time of birth > >can be 12.16am. > >2. He was away from parents and did his schooling staying in a > >hostel. > >3. He is also persistent and does things his own way. > >4. Other some details are - He worked in a bank (his first job) > >around october 1975. He met his wife in 1978 and married her on > >19/8/1981. His parents didn't have good relation. His mother > >actually left his father in 1975 and because of that he couldn't get > >good percentage in graduation. > >5. After meeting his wife she encouraged him to study and his > >first training for services was on 25/8/1981. > >6. Child was born after 6yrs of delay on 16/1/1987. > >Thanks > >Prabha > >PS:- Since we are focussing on date of marriage, is it ok if I post > >his wife's details. > > , " Ash's > >Corner " <kas wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji and Prabha ji, > > > > > > Very good analysis. So you did come to Sa antra and Me antra. > > > > > > Yes, one thing, when there is 1:7 relation between lagna and 7th > >lord then > > > it means opposition or more like dominating. When there are > >disputes then > > > its 6:8 or 2:12 relation. > > > > > > So overall there is less happiness and also as u have observed > >clearly about > > > the status of Natural karak venus who is spoilt by being in mool > >and being > > > aspected by Sa and Sa also aspects both luminaries. > > > > > > Also about the nature of the person, his moon is aspected by > >Rahu and its > > > with Sa making him more detached and also whimsical and > >persistent about > > > things as he has more sectors of Sa and Me. > > > > > > There is also 6:8 between lagna and 9th so blessing factor is not > >there. > > > Native might be away or might have less happiness from father > >maybe due to > > > living away from father in early age or separation from father. If > >Prabha > > > ji can find out it will be good. > > > > > > Therefore for timing of event, LoD and LoE are eager. That has > >to be kept > > > in mind. If they get a chance they will try to give the event and > >that too > > > eagerly. Here even if Sa was causing delay or say delay > >causing if the time > > > was 12:16 still then it would try to give the marriage in the 1st > >sector > > > itself as our laws is that " if the delay causing planet, itself is lod > >or > > > loe then it will try to give the event in 1st sector or early " . > > > > > > So if Prabha ji can find out when his marriage was fixed and was > >the delay > > > due to mahurat or some other man made factors it will also be > >good learning. > > > > > > This is a very interesting chart, so keep this finding in mind > >when studying > > > other charts. You will find that LoD and LoE are very eager to > >give event > > > if they get a chance. > > > > > > The marriage quality is not good, but marriage has sustained > >and they have a > > > child together as well. So on the whole marriage happened in > >LoE was good > > > but quality was poor. > > > > > > Yes, one more thing, now that we know the career is as IAS > >officer, Ju and > > > Me and Ma are main career giving planets. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > On > >Behalf Of nikhlesh > > > mathur > > > Tuesday November 18, 2008 5:17 AM > > > > > > Re: A chart to study date > >of marriage > > > > > > 18.11.2008 > > > Question by Prabha ji: 24.12.53,12:05 pm, 11.N.28, 78.E.10 > > > Asc: 6Pi58 > > > Marriage when: > > > > > > Mt attempt at it; > > > > > > 1. There are no zeros in the chart. > > > > > > 2. Sa is aspecting only house A,but there is no delay by Sa. > > > > > > 3. Ju is aspecting house B and LoB in both natal & Navansh. > >So there is > > > Ju delay in the chart. Ju is in the sign belonging to Ve in the > >natal chart. > > > > > > 4. Ve is spoilt as it is in the Mol Nks. It is further spoilt as it is > > > aspected by Sa in both natal & Navansh. Ve is also associated > >with 6th lord > > > in natal chart.Uptil March 1986 the native was in the MD of Ve. > > > > > > 5. Except Ma & Ju, all planets have more than 12 points for > >7th house. > > > > > > 6. General marriage happiness is not seen in the chart as lord > >of Asc & > > > lord of 7th ie Ju & Me are 1:7, Moon sign lord Moon is 4:10 to > >7th lord from > > > Moon, Sun sign lord Me is 1:7 to 7th lord Me from it. The 1st > >house points > > > are on the higher side which shows egoistic attitude in marital > >relations. > > > > > > 7. The 5th house and the lord of 5th house are affected by Sa > > & Ra and > > > this definitely shows delay in child. Now we need to judge > >whether the delay > > > in child is due to delay in marriage or delay do to biological / > >medical > > > reasons. In male chart if 11th house & 8th house are affected it > >creates > > > problem in child birth. Here both are affected by Ma & Ra. > > > > > > 8. The 7th lord Ve is affected by Sa, then by 6th lord and then > >by the > > > virtue of it being in Mool Nks. The presence of Ma with fewer > >points in 8th > > > house also disturbs reproductive capability. Further, both Ma > > & Sa are in > > > the Nks of Rahu. > > > > > > 9. Let us first try to evaluate the marriage date. > > > > > > 10. Me & Sa are LoD & LoE for 7th house matters. So both > >should be eager > > > to give marriage in their AD's, particularly in the MD of Ve. This > >means > > > that marriage could have happened during Jan 1979 to Feb 1980 > >(sector-1 of > > > AD of Sa) or from March 1982 to March 1083(sector-1 of AD of > >Me). There are > > > no zeros in the chart, so I am presuming sector-1 in both cases. > > > > > > But both Me & Sa have high points for 7th house. And > >marriage happiness is > > > not seen here. This is contradictory. > > > > > > Hence marriage must not have happened in the AD of SA or > >Me. > > > > > > 11. We have also observed that there is less happiness in > >marital life > > > and therefore marriage might have happened in a low power > >planet. This could > > > be Ju. But the AD of Ju completed in Jan1979 ( 25 yrs age) and > >Ju delay was > > > not over by that time. > > > > > > 12. Here Ketu is working like Ju and AD of Ketu was from Jan > >1985 to > > > March 1986. In 1985 (say in March 1985) Ju was in Capricorn > >and hence > > > aspecting the 7th house. > > > > > > 13. So I believe that marriage might have happened in the > >period Jan > > > 1985 to June 1985. The birth of child must have got further > >delayed. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 prabha.acharya wrote : > > > >Respected Guruji, Ash ji, and List members, > > > >This is a chart of a male: > > > >DOB 24/12/1953 > > > >TOB 12.05pm > > > >POB Rasipuram, Tamil Nadu, India. > > > > 11N28, 78E10 > > > > > > > >To find the date of marriage. > > > >He is married and has a 18yr old son. > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > >Prabha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! > > > ><http://adworks.rediff.com/cgi-bin/AdWorks/click.cgi/www.rediff.com/signatur >e-default.htm/1050715198@Middle5/2206641_2199021/2201651/1?PARTNER=3 & OAS_QUE >RY=null> Rediff Shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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