Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Dear Ramesh ji, Yes, I am going through the lessons. I shall do it with greater concentration now. Actually it happens in all fields that one sometimes get stuck up on simple issues, which otherwise are not difficult. In free time I will try to search in the old mails of KAS. Anyways, thanks a lot for your reply. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 ramesh mishra wrote : >Dear Nikhlesh Ji, > If you go through the lessons of Donna's website then all your doubt will be clear. > In that there is a separate lesson of Samadharmi. > If there is still any doubt understanding the points then we may clear your doubts but first go through the lessons. > Thanks > Ramesh Mishra > >nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur wrote: > >Dear Ramesh ji, > > Many thanks for your prompt reply. >The funda' is becoming clear day by day. > >Now suppose if Ma had 3 points and Me only 2 in Taurus sign then would it be that Me then controlled Ju inspite of Ma in enemy sign. > >The fewer points are important or being in enemy sign is important? > >Just one more point here.......; > >How Ju is SD to Ma ? Infact, can you please elaborate a bit your reply to point 3 below. > >Also when does actually a planet 4th from a weaker one, opposes the weaker one? Or, is it that it does not opppose? I am a bit confued here at the moment. > >Thanks for your time. Such questions came up because you explained it quite nicely. > >Regards, >Nikhlesh Mathur > >On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 ramesh mishra wrote : > >Dear Nikhlesh Ji, > > As per your query below is the answers of your question. > > 1. Me is with 3 bindus and Ma is with 2 bindus in Taurus for Cp ascendant. > > > This means Ma is weak in 5th house and enemy to house owner. > > Here the weaker planet is Ma so Ma will control Ju and Ju will give points to Ma. > > > 2. No. Only weakest planet controls the planet with>4 bindus placed in 4th house from that planet. > > > 3. No Ju is SD to Ma.If antara of Ju comes first then Ju will step in for giving the result > > > 4.Yes. Explained in 1. > > Others may correct me if I am wrong anywhere. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > >nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur wrote: > > > >06.12.2008 > > > >Sub : Learning KAS > > > >Dear Group Members, > > > > In continuation with the process of understanding the basic fundamentals of KAS, once again, > > > >My Query is: > > > >For example in Capricorn ascendant, Me & Ma are in 5th house with points BAV 3 & 2 respectively and Ju is in 8th house with BAV 5 points > > > >then; > > > >i) Out of Me & Ma which one will control Ju? > > > >ii) Is it that both of them will have control on Ju? > > > >iii) Is it that Ju will oppose both Me & Ma in its AD? > > > >iv) Will the power of the planets for the houses concerned play a bigger role in deciding which one will control Ju? > > > >Regards, > >Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > > > Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh Ji, I am attaching two docs.file for you. Hope this may help you. I had found it out from my pen drive where it was saved. Thanks Ramesh Mishranikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur wrote: Dear Ramesh ji, Yes, I am going through the lessons. I shall do it with greater concentration now.Actually it happens in all fields that one sometimes get stuck up on simple issues, which otherwise are not difficult.In free time I will try to search in the old mails of KAS.Anyways, thanks a lot for your reply.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Sat, 06 Dec 2008 ramesh mishra wrote :>Dear Nikhlesh Ji,> If you go through the lessons of Donna's website then all your doubt will be clear.> In that there is a separate lesson of Samadharmi.> If there is still any doubt understanding the points then we may clear your doubts but first go through the lessons.> Thanks> Ramesh Mishra>>nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:>>Dear Ramesh ji,>> Many thanks for your prompt reply.>The funda' is becoming clear day by day.>>Now suppose if Ma had 3 points and Me only 2 in Taurus sign then would it be that Me then controlled Ju inspite of Ma in enemy sign.>>The fewer points are important or being in enemy sign is important?>>Just one more point here.......;>>How Ju is SD to Ma ? Infact, can you please elaborate a bit your reply to point 3 below.>>Also when does actually a planet 4th from a weaker one, opposes the weaker one? Or, is it that it does not opppose? I am a bit confued here at the moment.>>Thanks for your time. Such questions came up because you explained it quite nicely.>>Regards,>Nikhlesh Mathur>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 ramesh mishra wrote :> >Dear Nikhlesh Ji,> > As per your query below is the answers of your question.> > 1. Me is with 3 bindus and Ma is with 2 bindus in Taurus for Cp ascendant.>> > This means Ma is weak in 5th house and enemy to house owner.> > Here the weaker planet is Ma so Ma will control Ju and Ju will give points to Ma.>> > 2. No. Only weakest planet controls the planet with>4 bindus placed in 4th house from that planet.>> > 3. No Ju is SD to Ma.If antara of Ju comes first then Ju will step in for giving the result>> > 4.Yes. Explained in 1.> > Others may correct me if I am wrong anywhere.> > Ramesh Mishra> >> >nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:> >> >06.12.2008> >> >Sub : Learning KAS> >> >Dear Group Members,> >> > In continuation with the process of understanding the basic fundamentals of KAS, once again,> >> >My Query is:> >> >For example in Capricorn ascendant, Me & Ma are in 5th house with points BAV 3 & 2 respectively and Ju is in 8th house with BAV 5 points> >> >then;> >> >i) Out of Me & Ma which one will control Ju?> >> >ii) Is it that both of them will have control on Ju?> >> >iii) Is it that Ju will oppose both Me & Ma in its AD?> >> >iv) Will the power of the planets for the houses concerned play a bigger role in deciding which one will control Ju?> >> >Regards,> >Nikhlesh Mathur> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>>>>>>> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Dear Ramesh, Hope you are well. How is your study on KAS is going? Next week I will be little bit free at work and will send you the email about my thoughts on the chart you were looking for Marriage. Over the months, I have collected some of the old archived mails from the group for my study. I am attaching those with this email. Take care Bala Dear Manu and Dadhi, Lets take 1 example from the lesson. Mercury in 4th house : Person lives in rented house ; has a good job. Of course it reduces maritial happiness. How do we come to these ? 1) For Aries lagna mercury is 3rd lord and 6th lord. House and Happiness from home is 4th house. Mercury is 12th lord from B.12th from B is not condusive to the result of 4th this we know.Now Mercury has gone into lagna and it is with more points. So such planets are eager to give results in general case but here there is an exception that is also given in our laws.If 12th from B goes to House D or E then it reduces the results of that house. So here it may give a house but it may be rented. 2nd point. : The person has a good job. Here 3rd lord and 6th lord is mercury. For 6th as B for job, 3rd house is LoD. At the same time Mercury has gone into Karak sthan with more points. LoD in House A with more points so it becomes even more eager to give good job in his antra. 3rd point : It reduces marital happines. Firstly its 6th lord. Secondly its with more points and in lagna aspecting 7th house with malefic dristi. So here it will reduce maritial happiness. So Like this others points can be read in terms of ABCDE houses. I am trying to write in short as I am busy with work.... this is how I started readig.. but I am still learning and hopefully Krushnaji can correct me if I am going wrong somewhere. Like this try to read all other planets and results give. I agree I am not 100% clear on the navamsa part in reference to what Dadhi said and would love if Krushnaji whenever he can comment on the same and give us guidance. Cheers !!!Ash Manu Batura <manubatura wrote: Dear Ash, If it was not Sun or Moon that we were considering, then 7 to 9 houses results can take place. 2 due to placement in D or E. 4 due to lordship of D or E. 1 to 3 due to aspects (can be malefic or benefic). Is that correct? Regards, Manu In , " ashsam73 " wrote: Dear Manu, W.r.t your question on finding results for other houses, if you study the lesson think in terms of house ABCDE and u will get most of the answers.The results are for plantes with more points in a house.Taurus lagna with Sun in lagna with more points would means 4th lord in lagna with more points. So such a sun will become eager to give results for 4th house and 8th house. Here also Sun will aspect 7th house but its aspect cant be taken as malefic so its good for 7th house and 11th house results being loD and loe. If Sun is in the first 3deg20 and then next 3deg20 so in total first 6deg40 then its in navamsa of Shani (capricorn and aquarius) at the same time if the rising degree is first 3deg20 then navamsa rising will be capricorn and from 3deg20 to 6deg40 it will be in navamsa of aquarius. With our laws we know that Sun/moon/lagna in more sectors of Shani makes a person brilliant. Regarding the Vedic Astrology portion I will defer that part to Krushnaji. Like this you can think for all planets in particular house and for all lagnas. I hope that this gives you some guidance and like I am still learning and trying to undertand lesson 29 and for other lagnas too . I hope that helps. Cheers !!! Ash In , " Manu Batura " wrote: Dear Ash, Krushnaji, I have a doubt in lesson 29. It is stated that the statements are for Aries ascendant. How do we interpret for other ascendants. Should we cyclically rotate the houses as the lagna changes and will the interpretations stay the same? Do the degrees (qualitative) of the features change from lagna to lagna.I mean as vedic astrology characterises people as per their lagna, do we also do the same in KAS? Thanks & Regards, Manu Career change Respected Guru's and learned students, I am a new student and find this sight informative. My question is that career related.I left my job on May 28, 2004 to pursue a sales job. I am not happy with my decision and am wondering if I will find a suitable job in the near future. I am including my chart below for your reference. Any feed back would be much appreciated. Warm Regards, Debbie Natal Chart November 18, 1963 Time: 10:33:00 Time Zone: 8:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 121 W 29' 36 " , 38 N 34' 54 " Sacramento, California, USA Altitude: 20.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Shobhana - Nija Karthika Tithi: Sukla Tritiya (Ma) (75.48% left) Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo) Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (5.27% left) Yoga: Sukarman (Ma) Karana: Taitula (Me) Hora Lord: Mars (5 min sign: Ge) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Cp) Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:55:27 Sunset: 16:46:29 Janma Ghatis: 9.0646 Ayanamsa: 23-20-52.47 Sidereal Time: 14:15:21 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 19 Sg 45' 48.74 " PSha 2 Sg Vi Sun - DK 2 Sc 21' 14.86 " Visa 4 Sc Cn Moon - AK 29 Sc 17' 49.26 " Jye 4 Sc Pi Mars - AmK 24 Sc 12' 35.13 " Jye 3 Sc Aq Mercury - PK 10 Sc 15' 03.42 " Anu 3 Sc Li Jupiter ® - PiK 16 Pi 39' 55.02 " UBha 4 Pi Sc Venus - MK 23 Sc 07' 50.16 " Jye 2 Sc Cp Saturn - BK 23 Cp 46' 08.47 " Dhan 1 Cp Le Rahu - GK 20 Ge 17' 47.06 " Puna 1 Ge Ar Ketu 20 Sg 17' 47.06 " PSha 3 Sg Li Maandi 22 Aq 02' 13.70 " PBha 1 Aq Ar Gulika 7 Aq 24' 06.50 " Sata 1 Aq Sg Bhava Lagna 26 Sg 35' 20.59 " PSha 4 Sg Sc Hora Lagna 20 Aq 58' 35.16 " PBha 1 Aq Ar Ghati Lagna 4 Le 08' 18.87 " Makh 2 Le Ta Vighati Lagna 9 Sc 56' 57.44 " Anu 2 Sc Vi Varnada Lagna 19 Sc 45' 48.74 " Aswi 1 Sc Li Sree Lagna 0 Sg 46' 58.85 " Mool 1 Sg Ar Dhooma 15 Pi 41' 14.86 " UBha 4 Pi Sc Vyatipata 14 Ar 18' 45.14 " Bhar 1 Ar Le Parivesha 14 Li 18' 45.14 " Swat 3 Li Aq Indra Chapa 15 Vi 41' 14.86 " Hast 2 Vi Ta Upaketu 2 Li 21' 14.86 " Chit 3 Li Li Kaala 20 Ar 32' 59.70 " Bhar 3 Ar Li Mrityu 25 Sc 01' 09.57 " Jye 3 Sc Aq Artha Prahara 11 Sg 39' 41.22 " Mool 4 Sg Cn Yama Ghantaka 0 Cp 45' 58.57 " USha 2 Cp Cp Dear Debbie, Please cast your chart using Krushnas ayanamsa. Then our antras will match this system. You can find out the value from the worksheet in the file section on Krushnas ayanamsa. Here Venus in your chart is LoE for Job and Venus is placed in 12th house where Venus gets enhanced. Venus is also placed in its dhan sthan i.e 2nd from 11th house. Moon is with Ketu in lagna and getting 7th aspect of Rahu. You have 42 points in 10th house as compared to 32 points in 11th house. So a lot of effort you must put in to make income or might be getting lesser returns as compared to the effort you put in. Lagna points are 24 so u have an adjusting nature. Moon with Ketu in lagna though the distance is greater than 15 degrees will have effect. It will make u obsessive and passionate. Venus is also with Mars and in 12th house. Venus is very close to mars and they also come together in navamsa. There is full delay for your marriage but its moderated by Guru. So you might have met around 1985/86 i.e in Venus/Saturn antra as per Krushnas ayanamsa. Death of your husband is clearly seen. Mahadasha of Sun who is 3rd lord from 7th and in Antra of Jupiter who has the highest points for 2nd house caused seperation. Death happens in antra of highest points and Jupiter has highest points for 2nd house. You are back in relationship again since in Moon/Shani antra. Check shanis points for 5th and 12th. Coming to your job and change of job. You are in Venus antra. Venus has less points though its LoE for 6th house. At the same time points of venus is less in 11th house, 2nd house, 3rd house, 5th house, 6th house (LoE), 10th house, 11th house and 12th house. Since Venus is LoE it will give u job but no satisfaction from it. Income. More effort needed. However you will be optimistic and try to look at the brighter side of things. Due to your moon being aspected by Rahu you may take things to the extremes due to obsessive nature. Moon is also with Rahu in navamsa. 3rd house points are less in this antra so try not to loose your cool quickly. Shani and Guru's points are 8. So its good. You will make ends meet in some way or the other. Oh, you have the blessing of Guru or Father. This blessing will help you overcome difficult times. This is very powerful. The guys you date or are with in relationship u will love truely and will be practical about things. Period between 2001/01 thru 2002/08 might have been worry some for you. Might have had some toothaches and might have had some people at work trying to spoil your name. I am out of time... Can you comment on my analysis please. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, I have a few questions. Can you kindly let me know what is the behavior of ve in other houses also. Also Ash, isn't it correct that dhan stan is 2nd from lagna? Why was 11th house chosen in this case. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, 2nd house from any house is the dhan sthan of that house. Venus is in 2nd from own house in this case Venus owns 11th house. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Anil, I do not have much time however I did see your chart quickly. You just finished antra of Venus who has 11 point for 6th house but is in House D for 6th as B with 4 bindus and is 2nd lord. So defnitely it will give u a lot of worries. Sun antra just started. It has good points for 6th but its still has 12 for 11th and 17 points for 12th. So its showing more expenses than income. Again Sun is in 2nd house with 5 bindus so again it will be a period of worry but more stable for job. You also may have a strong desire to do business. About your family joining you if that is depending on you getting a stable job then sun antra is upto 2005/01/30. Then comes moon. Moon is showing some change in job for you in ketu mahadasha. Even Shani and Jupiter points are 7. So overall period of planet in 2nd house with more points, Sa + Ju points less than 8, more expenses than income is the flavour about Sun. Also its good for childbirth if you are trying. Cheers !!! Ash , " anil " <anilmunjanattu> wrote: Dear Mr.Ash, Let me request your help to locate the time where I can live with my family. I married in November 1997. Now I am at Middle East. Because of inconsistency of job, I could not bring them with me so far. Kindly see the period if I can settle down in my job and join with my family. DOB: 15th May 1967, Time: 5.58.25 am 76E16 9N58 (Cochin) India Wife's DOB: 10th June 1974, Time: 5.17.40 am 76E16 9N58 (Cochin)India Regards, anil Dear Manu, 10th house is for authority and 6th lord in 10th with more points makes one " allergic " to authority.. so might cause her to " rebel " or go against the advise of say elders or father or someone who has authority over her like elders or father or parents. Again Guru in in its uncha sthan so more multiplication factor. This is also coupled with 35 bindus in lagna along with close aspect of rahu on moon. In female chart you check both 11th house and 5th house for conception. Cheers !!! Ash In , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: Dear Ash, You have given interesting points to think about. There are so many factors that indicate problems.Also, the influence of rahu on moon to a close degree also indicates that she might have taken a crazy decision. I could not understand two points: 1. 6th lord in 10th. How does this effect? 2. For conception I think you are refering to 11th lord.Is that right? Does 11th house rule conception.And if the 11th house is weak does it mean that there shall be problems in conception? Thanks again for your points. Thanks & Regards, Manu In , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Here are a few observations I think you can understand these If I just write them in point form. 1) 1 zero due to Mars in 12th 2) Lagna points 35 3) Moon aspected by Rahu with with 7th dristi (differnce < 4 deg) 4) 6th lord in 10th 5) Guru in libra 6) Venus to sun distance > 43deg20 and its aspected by Shani and Shani aspects a luminiary. 7) Venus in Moola. 8) Me and Ma is in House D for 7th. Me is 12th lord and LoD for 12th and Mars is LoD for 5th and 7th lord and is situated in 4th house and are SD. 9) 6th lord aspecting 2nd house (family) 10) All planets are affected by 6th lord. Ketu also is SD to 6th lord The time asked was for 20/5/1998 that falls in antra of Venus. From above points its showing multiple relations. There is no delay and for her to leave or elope there must be strong attraction. She might have come close the guy in Ketu antra. Ketu is in House E for 12th.She also has high points in lagna and moon afflicted by rahu. Venus antra lasts from 1998/02 thru 2001/04.Its in 3rd house so it is also triggering 6th and 10th house. Can you find out if she took up a job during this period. Yes, Venus also has less points for 2nd house it has 11 points so showing less happiness from family.If this lady eloped during the begining of Venus sector there is also chance for conception in Venus antra as Ve is LoD for 11th and with 20 points for 11th. In any case it was good exercise. Cheers !!! Ash In , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: Dear Ash, and list members, I was informed that the girl ran away with a poor boy of low character causing immense grief to her family.It might be a good exercie to see why this happened from her chart even if it is a post analysis. Thanks & Regards, Manu In , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Did matters of 6th and 10th trigger. The native might have got some award or recognition or a change in job. Awating your answer. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash In , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: Hi, My friend forwarded me a chart.The following are the birth details of a girl. 1/31/1979, 0:14am, Pune,India ASC: Lib 9:48 Can you describe what event happened on 5/20/1998? I think it is a somewhat difficult exercise.Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, Did matters of 6th and 10th trigger. The native might have got some award or recognition or a change in job. Awating your answer. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Denis, House A i.e. FK for 9th house is 4th house. 9th house includes Father. It also indicates higher education, Guru, Fortune amongts other thing. Now NK is Moon (4th house in kalpurush) chart. So NK governs the overall health of 9 house which includes father. Also remember we need to check functional karak too i.e. 4th house in Rasi chart. There are different school of thought. We follow 3rd for mother and 9th for father. I think this discussion was held in the past between Krushnaji and Das Guptaji. You can look up on the archives for the actual reasoning. If I get time I shall try to find it and post you the link. Now for Death of Father we consider 4th house as B. For natural death of father we check for highest points in 4th house just like we do for natural death for self from 8th house points, for death of spouse from 2nd house (8th from 7th house). Sun is Natural 5th lord. If you will notice keenly its Karak for 10th house for power, authority. 5th house is also the House of Crown. 5th house is kinda overall in charge of health of 10th house. Another way of looking at the same phenemon.. 5th house is also of degree or " Gain of Knowledge " i.e. 2nd house from 4th. 4th hosue is of knowledge and 5th is gain or wealth of it. Now if you get a good degree or a higher degree i.e. stronger is the 5th house.. you have more chances of getting a more " Authorative " job.... i.e. 10th house automatically becomes strong... when such thing happens even LOD and LOE get a boost. House " A " denotes the Quantum. That is why we start this theory with " A " and then go to " B " and so on. If " A " or Natural Karak and along with that if Functional Karak is spoilt that is " A " from your chart then sometimes even lords of House D and E who are eager to give results their power diminishes.... So try to see things from the view point of " A " , " B " , " C " , and samrudhni sthans " D " and " E " . Hope that helps. Cheers !!! Ash , Labouré Denis <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > It will be helpful. I have a question about this theory. > > According to Krushna, the father is in the 9th house. For the 9th house, the 4th is the house A. So, Moon is the natural karaka for the father. There is an inconsistency somewhere. Should the father be in the 10th house, the Sun should be the natural karaka. > > What is your understanding of this point? > > Thanks a lot > Denis > > - > ashsam73 > > Monday, August 04, 2003 1:27 PM > My Personal Meet With Krushnaji - An Experience to Share > > > In another discussion I had with Krushnaji, he explained in short > that there was a huge theory behind House A,B,C and D and E. He had > received one of the highest jyotish awards in the India and also was > offerend a PhD for his system by Sri Lankan University and he was > offered to fly there and receive the honour but due to the situation > beyond his reach he was not able to go and receive the Doctorate. Dear Denis, Dymocks tests do not give past events. I do not know what is the basis for the time and its rectification. So I am not too keen on that. I am sure others members may be. I prefer to predict more of life events rather than find out when lightning struck or if someone won a lottery or when someones dog died !!! but that is MY PREFERENCE. For now I am more interested to learn the Ashtakvarg system more thoroughly. Maybe in future I may take part in such tests but for now I want to focus on understanding the system in more detail. I do not understand your question about being confused on timing of the event. Follow this procedure. 1) Select the correct antra based on the worksheet for timing of event. I am sure you can do that with whats taught. 2) Next step is break the antra into 3 equal parts. 3) Try to find the correct 1/3rd sector that the event will fall under. 4) Even if you consider Venus/Venus Mahadasha/Antra then max antra period you will get for the 1/3rd part is 13 months and 10 days and for Sun/Sun it would be 3 months. So basic range will be from 3 months roughly to 13 months roughly. 5) Now from that you can pick up the strongest significators and suns transit over it as you have said (or weakest significator for bad events). If you consider antra the leave that and take the other 2 periods and make a list of dates. 6) Things in India are done during good Mahurat. So after that see a good mahurat for the event to happen. For example when Sun is in Leo like now then people generally avoid marriages.. atleast till end October or early November that too you would have to find a proper Mahurat. I specificially do not know the reason or the philosophical reasoning for this but this is how it is and a lot of people in India follow that. Even if 20% of people follow that in India I think thats more population that entire Europe... !!! 7) I think if you follow procedures upto here you can narrow down the event to a few dates or even events upto 13 days either way. 8) If you further want to go in deeper then I think we will have to wait for Krushnaji to give us more lessons on that. I think till then we can practice what we have learnt so far Follow these steps and see how much success you get. All these things have been given in the lessons. Now coming to the worksheet about Sanjay. In my convesation with Krushnaji he was using yours and Sanjays worksheet. Sanjays worksheet is CORRECT and I have not worked with yours but since Krushnaji also uses it I assume its CORRECT. In fact I had put in the check for 6th lord in 6th house and Krushnaji told me to correct it and he confirmed that What Sanjay had done is CORRECT. So I went and changed my logic. So be rest assured that the the work you and Sanjay have done is proper. For timing what you and Sanjay have done is Proper. Now second part it to see the effect. If you read Krushnajis email to Margarita for Childbirth and Samdharmi recently you will see how hes considered points for Jupiter to be 14 instead of low. THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE SEPERATELY. So there is no anomalies. Hope that clarifies. Cheers !!! Ash Dear List Members, Here was one question Krushnaji had asked me when explaining 4:10 theory. I thought it was interesting.... So here it is.. Assume the following scenario. 1) Lagna : Libra and Mars is in 4th house (Capricorn) with 5 bindus. 2) Lagna : Leo and Mars is in 4th house (Scorpio) with 5 bindus. Assume that for Marriage i.e. House B = 7. How will Mars react for both cases. Hint : Here as per our laws Mars is in House D with 5 bindus and can give marriage in both cases but what is the difference i.e. overall result ? How will such a Mars act ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, I am a silent member but I have been following the discussions since Krushna started this list and I try to apply the principles in real life in order to see how they work. I cannot participate actively because I read the contributions during my working time. Also I am not a professional astrologer. As to your question: For Libra lagna, Mars rules the 2nd and 7th houses.These are related to marriage.Moreover Mars is exalted and occupy house " D " with 5 points. Since, it is located in the 10th from the 7th( Aries-Mars). The spouse shall be working mostly for himself. This may mean that he will have egoistic manner and will pursue his owns interests at the expense of the married life. For Leo Lagna, Mars rules and is placed in house " D " with 5 points. It is also located in the 10th from the 7th. Mars is sandharmi to Sun, lagna lord. This should lead to a more balanced married life. Please correct me if I am wrong, Cheers, Pingo dear philippe i would like to add in whatever you hv mentioned. for leo lagna-ascendent ,MARS IS the lord of4th house and the 9th house,so it is RAJYOGKARAK for leo lagna.although some importance-effect may get reduced, being badhakesh.( for lagna 2-5-8-11 lord of 9th house) with regards deepak --- philippe bonin <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I think that in both cases Mars can give marriage > but it is aspecting 7th > house. In the case of Libra lagna, Mars is not lord > of D nor E and its > aspect on 7th house has a value of -5. In the case > of Leo lagna Mars is lord > of D in D with more points and its aspect on 7th > house can't be bad. So if > my understanding is correct the result should be > better in the case of Leo > lagna. Please correct me if I'm wrong. > > Best regards > Philippe Hello Ash, Thank you for wharing this question. Yes, Mars can give results for both and Mars has also aspect on the same houses. So here it's a question of " quality " of the marriage meaning that Mars is different for Libra then for Leo asc For Libra asc Mars is the lord of the 2nd always creating problems. A worrysome lord that aspects 2 marriage houses or gives marriage in his sub is worse than one that is lord of 4th and 9th. which is the case for Leo asc Best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, Philippe, Pingo, and list members, All of you are close there is one more subtle difference. Yes Margarita a slight subtlity and yes its got to do with Quality. If someone ask about " Timing " in both cases Mars can furnish the result. What will be the quality ? There was a post by Krushnaji on this part ... Very good churning of thoughts.... If it helps.. I answered in a smiliar way and I also could not think of it..... and Krushnaji had a smile on his face and had told me to think again.... he he he... One more thing.. this point will make readings even more better.... Keep on thinking.. Good job guys.. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Deepak, We already consider ALL yogakaraks in this system indirectly. If you read the lessons on Samdharmis and read in detail on part of Natural Samdharmi you will understand this part. Even of Shani and Venus they are yogakaras for each others lagna... so in this system they become natural samdharmi and can step in for the other... i.e. if one is a strong significator and if it cant give result for some reason or the other like its period is far away and if the other gets the opportunity it will furnish the result... Shani and Venus are Natural Samdharmi Mars and Sun are natural samdharmi Mars and Moon are natural samdharmi. If the antra of say Mars was far and if Sun came in first it would furnish the result.. there is an exception that if Mars and Moon or Mars and Sun or Venus and Shani were in 1:7 position then They do not become Natural Samdhamari. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash hello Ash, I see you smiling when messages come in. Well enjoy the twistings of our minds. Now for Leo asc Mars IS LOD so the result of house B depends on this Mars in Scorpio. For Libra asc Mars is IN D being lord of A and D so here Mars can give results for " timing " the event of marriage but it will be Saturn LOD who will decide on the " quality " of the marriage. Well, am I on the right track ??? Hear from you Margarita Dear Margarita, You are kinda on the right track.. but its got more to do with 4:10 ... think.. ) Cheers !!! Ash Dear listmembers participating in trying to solve the 4/10 puzzle., I transmit part of my conversation I had with Ash on the web. He helped me out and I thought everybody could profit from it. Of course the solution is obvious, I just wasn't able to put the pieces together.... Here it comes ashsam73: if MARS with 5 bindus is in 4th house what will it to do 7th house ???? margarita: it's harming that house of course ashsam73: Perfect !!! ashsam73: Mars with 5 bindus WILL GIVE MARRIAGE BUT WHAT ABOUT QUALITY margarita: BAD QUALITY ashsam73: YES YES YES !!! ashsam73: so how can u interpret it.. ashsam73: hve u got my chart ? open it.. i will demonstrate it... quicky ashsam73: Venus is with 3 bnidus so it will OPPOSE 4TH HOUSE, its planet and HOUSE ashsam73: mars in sco in 4th house.. CANNOT HARM 7TH HOUSE as it's LOD. BUT in case where Mars is exalted.. it is not LOD or LOE so it will give -5 to 7th house AND oppose 7th house.. due to 4:10; and since Mars is in exaltation.. power will be felt as 5*1.4 = 7 bindus ( 1.4 is multiplcation factor) margarita: YES So, we see how this problem illustrates different things we learned : 1. lords of D and E don't harm house B 2. planets in own house or exaltation lose their quality as LOD and LOE 3.Planets oppose the 4th house and planets in that house (depends on the bindus) Best regards to all Margarita Dear Krushnaji,Margarita and list members, Just to add to that..and clarify something.. In both cases Mars can give marriage, but the quality will be different. Scenario : For Mars in Capricon with 5 bindus and in 4th house ----------------------------- 1) Mars in capricorn in 4th house with 5 bindus will cast a dristi of -5. (It will be FELT like -7 due to the fact that Mars is in Capricorn). 2) Since Mars is with 5 bindus in House D as per our law given in lessons it will act like LOD and will furnish the result and the result will be felt is like +7 (due to it begin in its exaltation state so use multiplication factor of 1.4 so its 5 bindus * 1.4 is the FEELING and not to be considered for timing). Also such a mars will aspect 11th house i.e House C and House B. 3) Now we know that Mars has 3 dristis so such a powerful mars will be good for house its placed it but will cast dristi of -5 (felt like -7 this part we need to consider in your mind) 4) Also we need to consider the fact that such a Mars with 5 bindus will oppose 7th house but help the 1st house.. i.e planets with high bindus OPPOSE house from them and help the house in 10th from them.. and that too being exalted to effect " Felt " will be of higher degree. 5) So interpret such a result... Yes such a Mars will give marriage but it may also take it away or cause a seperation ... or basically oppose 7th house matters and results felt will be with POWER due to it being exalted i.e. felt like after multiplying by 1.4. Scenario : For Mars in Scorpio with 5 bindus and in 4th house ----------------------------- 1) Mars is in own sign Scorpio in 4th house with 5 bindus so its in House D and itself is LOD so *though* it has 5 bindus it CANNOT cast -5 bindus and reduce the result of House B i.e. 7th hosue and House C i.e. 11th house. Infact its result will be felt is much better due to fact that its in own house and Multiplication factor is 1.2 2) Such a Mars with 5 bindus cannot oppose 7th house and it will also help the 1st house. Also notice that LOE is also natural samdharmi to Mars. i.e. House E is Cancer and its lord is Moon. So D and E are samdharmis. 3) So results felt by such a Mars will be beneficial. Here due to the fact that Mars is in own sign its multiplication factor is also higher so overall good results for Marriage. Krushnaji, Please feel free to correct me if I have missed out on any other vital point. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hello Tushar, Sorry for the delay, was busy. Now, if you are following the system, you will see that death of father (with Krushna ayanaamsa) is in Saturn/Venus. july 1985 Father is 9th house, death of father is 8th from the 9th = 4th Venus is LOC and LOD for the 4th and has 31 points in the worksheet Main dasa lord is lord A or the Sun and Sun is in Saturn's nakshatra. So here we see the relationship between mahadasa lord and LOA changing job for the better was again in Venus antar (Mercury/Venus) in september 2000 Venus is house LOD and C for the 10th, she is also in D. Venus scores high agin for 10th and 11th. These events match with the chart so I suppose it's correct. I asked Krushna to have a look at this chart. You will also see that we have here again Mars in Capricorn for Libra asc. Here of course Mars has only 4 points and collects the points from Venus but nevertheless Mars exhalted in Capricorn will oppose the 7th house of marriage Hope you got it ?? Best regards Margarita Tushar wrote: > hello margarita > > according to sugession I have tried to findout any > major event of his life but there is not much. I could > find only two major events in his life. > > (1) He lost his father in July 1990 > (2) He changed his job with the change of city in > September 2000 and find considerable difference in job > satisfaction as well remuneration. > > rest part of his life does not contain any major > incidence of event > > I hope this may help > > regards, > > Tushar Dear Margarita, I just went through the chart. I think there is something not right. The death of father was not in Shani/Venus but in Shani/Rahu and in July 1990 and not July 1985. Change of Job was in Sept 2000 in Merc/Venus as you have said. Points in 12th are low i.e 11 and Shani is LOE and venus is its natural samdharmi so it may step in. So this move should be a happy move. Venus is LOD for 4th house so again eager to give 4th house things. Points in 5th house is high and so is 6th and so is 10th and 11th. So this event sort of fits.. but death of father.. I am not too sure.. Rahu represents Mars and Shani. Shani is LOE for 11th house.. so it should give life... so I am not too sure of this event.. however I may be wrong.. Still am not convinced of the accuracy of birth time. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Krushnaji, Margarita, Donna and list members, Margairta, thank you very much for writing this up I really appreciate it. I shall try to make this as simple as possible for the members and hopefully it will be of least effort for Donna. It will be nice though to add just simple diagrams or charts. I shall try to elucidate this thing further for the list members and Krushnaji please feel free to correct if I have not understood anything correctly which can be a possibility. Uptill now if we focus and understand the lesson we can predict the correct antra. There has been a lesson on narrowing down things further. In addition to this and if possible we can add this part to the existing lesson with a few diagrams or charts to demonstrate some important principles. Philosophy and approach to narrowing down to the proper 1/3rd part in the antra: --- Lords of D and E are always EAGER to give results. Lords of D and E are special in this system. Lord of D is 10th from the house under focus and Lord of E is the 6th house from the house under focus. So when they get an opportunity the try to give result quicky and on the double. We all know that Shani is the delay causing planet. Now also Guru is a delay causing planet. Guru can delay things due to it being slow moving planet. This was covered in the lesson for delay in marriage. A Specific law : ----------------- If the delay causing planet is also the lord of D or E and if in ITS antra its causing the event then the event will happen in the first 1/3rd part of its antra. Example scenario. ----------------- 1) Libra lagna, Shani in 5th in Aquarius. LOD is Capricorn. No Zeroes in SAV. Here assume that Shani is causing Full delay i.e. upto 27.5 years. So as per lesson so far if there was full delay for the event then event would take place in the LAST 1/3rd part or sector of the antra. Now if here for example for Marraige, Shani is causing full delay but Shani itself is giving result due to it being LOD then in Shanis antra the event will take place in the 1st 1/3rd part or sector of shanis antra. 2) Scenario 2 - Libra lagna, 1 Zero in SAV and Shani in 5th. In this scenario is similar to first one, except there is 1 zero in SAV. In this case, Shani due to the fact that its LOD will try to give the result in the 1st 1/3rd part of its antra BUT there is 1 zero in SAV to this may push the event to 2nd part or the 2nd 1/3rd sector in the antra OF LOD ONLY. 3) Scenario 3 - Libra lagna, 2 Zeroes in SAV and Shani in 5th. Again similar to scenario 2 but here there are 2 Zeroes in SAV so event will get pushed to 3rd 1/3rd sector. These things we must keep in mind when narrowing down to the proper 1/3rd sector. Another Concept --------------- Say for a particular planet points are low and its a period of difficulty or emmense struggle for a native. The after that antra another antra starts which is very good for all houses. Lets continue with the example of marraige. The antra in the past was very difficult overall and assume a new antra has started which is very good overall and can give the event. Then in such a case it takes time for the new antra to was out the old antras difficult period.. just like when one is sad and then one watches a comedy movie .. it takes some time to get into the " fun " mood and then start to laugh... In such a case give the event 2nd 1/3rd sector.. and leave the 1st 1/3rd sector for it to " kinda get in the mood phase " . This part what I have written, Krushnaji can you please check this part and correct me if I had not understood you correctly. I request List members to look at their charts and verify the same. If they feel that their charts will help other list members learn please feel free to post the chart and the event with the proper date and we can see how these laws fit and if not then we can try to study the reason behind it. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , margarita lettens <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > > Hello Donna, > > I had a conversation with Ash where he explained the finesses about > delay. I thought it could be interesting to put this on the " files > section " so members who become interested can find it there in the future. > > > > When Saturn aspects houses A,B and C for an event, we know there is > full delay. > > Let's take an example Libra asc and Saturn in Aquarius, the 5^th house. > > (perhaps we could draw the picture here) > > Now this delay is modulated according to the following laws : > > But in this case Saturn is also LOD (lord of D) and eager to give results. > > If the event ( marriage) takes place in the delay causing planet and if > this planet is LOD or LOE, then the event will take place in the first > 1/3 part of the antar dasa > > > > Now imagine that there is 1 zero in the SAV table, then the delay will > be moved to the 2^nd part of the antar dasa. > > > > Suppose there are 2 zeros in the SAV table, then the delay will move to > the 3th part of the antar dasa. > > > > With this in mind we will be able to come much closer to the timing of > the event. > > > > Jupiter can also act as a delay planet because he is slow moving and can > aspect either one of the houses A, B or C or their lords. > > > > The same is true for the other planets. > > Suppose Venus is giving an avent. Venus is fast moving so the event is > going to happen in the 1^st part of the antar dasa. But 1 zero in the > SAV table will move the event to the 2^nd part and 2 zeros to the 3th part. > > > > It would be great if Ash could bring eventual corrections or more > explantation and if Donna then could put it in the files section after > having submitted it to Krushna to make sure everything is correct. Dear Philippe and List Members, There were some points that I had got confused which during my conversation with Krushnaji got clairifed and it made a lot of sense. I shall try to put down what I can think of so that its out here on the web. Based on this we can look at the charts that Philippe has given. Quality of Job -------------- This you can see through planet placement in the chart. What kind of profession ------------------------ 1) This you can see from 10th lords from Lagna, Sun and Moon and thier placements in Navamsa and its lords can show the inclination of the person. 2) Even planets in 10th house from lagna, sun and moon with high bindus their positions in Navamsa also can give the inclination. 3) DBCE points i.e. 3:6:10:11th house points to be seen. If they are in ascending order then business is indicated or high authority position like CEO. 3:6:10:11 in ascending order shows the grace of the Karak i.e. 1st house which deals with nature and personality. So in order for a person to do business he must have the personality, daring etc. 3 > 6 > 10 > 11 means good parakram or courage (3) more social status (6) more authority (10) and even more returns i.e. income (11) and this is for Karak i.e. house 1. Hence 3:6:10:11 shows the grace of House A which is lagna. 4) MOST IMPORTANTLY .. REFER TO LESSON ON OCCUPATION ANALYSIS FROM FILE SECTION. This is for timing. ------------------ Starting of a Job. As we know that starting of any Good event happens in the strongest significator or its samdharmi or LOD and LOE. 6th house is for Job. If you ask a question Why 6th house for Job ? The answer lies here. For everything we start with House A. Its the most important. House A as we call it Karak house controls the health of House B. So if we consider Job, it means starting of INCOME which is 11th house. So if we consider 11th house as B then House 6 becomes House A. So that is why we consider 6th house for INITIATING OF INCOME meaning Job. If you think more closely for ANY event house A controls the quantum and the overall health. If House A is weak for any reason then the overall Quality of House B suffers and even House D and E as they are special in this system as they are always eager to give results also indirectly become weak. Krushnaji had advised me to study House A very carefully and I guess thats why we start the scheme of ABCDE with the Karak house as first house to See and hence A. For TIMING we refer to worksheet and then decide. What kind of job etc we can see from planetary position. We should also keep this point in mind. So start of any job i.e starting of income we check stongest significator for 6th house or LOD or LOE or samdharmi to strongest significator. We also should consider Desha, Kaal, Paatra too just like finding a proper age for getting a job can be after 18 years or so.. or in some places lesser then 18.. my point being if the antra of a strong significator is runing at the age of 4 years old the kid cannot do a job.. so some common sense should be applied too...lol.. NOW AFTER U SEE THE STARTING OF JOB we then MOVE over to 5th house points. I asked Krushnaji, Why 5th house ? He replied that why did I select 6th from Job so I said cause its Karak for 11th house. Now he said after you get a job what do u get. I said Authority.. and then the answer was clear. Authority is 10th house and Karak for Authority was 5th house (being 8th from 10th house) in the same way 8th from 11th house (income) was 6th house. So if planet then has low points for 5th house then that could show ups and downs in job. You can then go in finer using Transits of Sun etc to narrow down details.. but for now its just high level to understand why we are using such houses as step 1. Also think of it this way, if House A " authorises " then House B event will take place. The more stronger is House A more higher " quantum " will the result of House B will be. Another thing we also need to see is the Points difference between 11th and 12th house in the worksheet for each Antra. If points of 11th are lower than 12th [NOT SAV BUT FOR EACH PLANET] then it means that during that ANTRA expenses will be more than Income. Also study 10th house similarly as compared to 11th and 12th and it will show the effort one puts in that antra for the income he receives........ THIS PART IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT. For example .. Higher is the degree (5th house for degree) then person will have more change to get a HIGHER AUTHORITY job (10th house). Krushnaji, can you please add your comments if I am confused about anything that I have written here. With this in mind we can take some charts and start to study for Job, Job Changes. So if List Members can share some charts with event dates we can see if it follows this chain of high and low points for 6th, 5th, and also look at 10th, 11th and 12th points as per the worksheet so see if someone changed jobs for better prospect etc. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Krushnaji and List Members, This was a chart that came to me from a list member. The question was " Why am I having cash flow difficulty from the past 3-4 years but it seems to be getting better ? " This is the data. I think a little rectification might be needed which I have not.. instead I am going to ask the list members to make an attempt to time the following. Data of the Native : March 8th, 1967 17:40 IST 26N17 73E04 India. 1) When did this person marry ? 2) He had 2 children 1 boy and 1 girl when were they conceived ? 3) Is this gentleman doing business or is in service ? 4) What is his profession related to ? 5) Why was he having cash flow problems for the past 4/5 years but seems to be improving now? Krushnaji, a few things need clarification on this chart. 1) I attempted this chart as a blind analysis, got the antra right for point 1 however did not get the correct 1/3rd sector right. 2) Got point 3 ok however point 2 was not very clear w.r.t first child birth being a boy. 4) Did not get the profession right. 5) Was not clear on point 5 and I specifically thought this chart might be good for studies for me as well as list members to see trends.. 6) The native has 1 zero point in 9th house so its not clear about children... A few more questions... I shall wait till list members attempt this chart. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash dear ash, attempt to work out timings. 1) marriage might hv taken place before 30--10--1993. guru/guru 2)if marriage has taken place as above 1st child before 30-10-1993. ( boy?) 2 nd child between 12 05 1996 to 18 08 1998. 3)might be doing service cum business. teaching profession--but subject might be related to ART. 4)financial difficulties (jup/ketu--jup/ven ) jupiter located in 12th house and lord of 5th house and 8th house. with regards, deepak Dear Deepak, Very good attempt. Can you please give reasoning and justification for these things so that list members understand. Can you also give a more specific answer for marriage ? Before 30/10/1993 is vague.. I am not gettign what system are you using. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, I'm making an attempt on the chart you gave. As for marriage, Venus is conjunct to Saturn and in Saturn's navamsa. It is aspected by Jupiter in rasi and navamsa although the aspect in rasi is negative. So I would say moderate delay (around 24 I guess for India). Rahu/Mars seems good because Rahu is samdharmi to venus NK and Mars is LOD for 7th house. The end of Mars' antra seems compatible with delay so it could be the beginning of 1991. As for children, Jupiter is NK and is in 12th house (A) with 6 points, so its mahadasha is good. It is LOE for XII with good score and in house A for V with more points so could give conception for first child. Mercury is LOD for V with acceptable score for XII and good score for V so I think Mercury's antra also gave a child. Now for job as III, VI, X, XI are in ascending order (though not strictly ascending) I think he could have his own business. Mercury and Sun are aspecting first house, this is often an indication for job linked to high technology, computers... We also find Venus (10th lord and 10th lord from Chandra lagna) and Mars (10th lord from Surya lagna) in Saturn's navamsa, which could denote technical ability. As for cash flow problems, I don't understand why the current antra (Moon) is bringing better results because it has low points for 2nd house. Mercury's antra didn't seem good (because Mercury is conjunct to first lord, 12th from II), nor Ketu samdharmi to Mars and Venus (which have low points for II), and Venus isn't better. As for Sun, it is first lord afflicting Mercury second lord by conjunction. Well, just an attempt... Best regards Philippe Dear Philippe, Its not just only an attempt but a brilliant one !!!!! You will realise why I said that once I give the answer. I shall wait for a bit more before others try to attempt before I give the answer. Care to go into a little more details i.e. get the right 1/3rd sector for marriage and child birth (conception) now that you have selected the antras... There is also a very important factor for the reason why the native faced financial difficulty and I know you know it, you are just over looking it. Hint Follow Shanis transit and look at SAV points... Very very Good... Looking forward to your response. You should try to select the proper 1/3rd sector and make an attempt in that way reasoning and understanding will get cleared for the procedure. Hint for marriage, Check where Mars is placed w.r.t. ownership of house, yes its LOD but where is it placed w.r.t. House D ??? Think over these points.... I think you can get it right on the dot.. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, thank you for your feed-back. I'm not comfortable yet with the 1/3rd portions of antras but I'll make a try. As for financial difficulties, I think I see your point: from April 1998 to June 2000 Saturn was transiting Aries where it gets 0 point. Aries is in ninth house ie house A for II=B (financial questions). It shouldn't have been good. So maybe it improved when Saturn's transit in Aries ended. Now trying to narrow down the timing of events, as for marriage, Mars is in Saturn's navamsa but aspected by Jupiter. So it could give 2nd 1/3rd portion and it would be earlier as I thought. For first child's conception, Jupiter is slow moving but in sign and navamsa of Moon which is fast so maybe first 1/3rd portion?? For second child, Mercury is in Saturn's sign and navamsa but is LOD for V so maybe 2nd 1/3rd portion ? I don't know if my reasoning is relevant nor if I used the indications you gave me properly. Anyway, it's fine to do such exercises. Thanks and best regards Philippe Dear Philippe, One more thing, check which planet is giving 0 to 9th house. And the thing is that it will affect the karaktwa of the planet thats giving 0 i.e. no support from that planet. If Shani is giving 0 points to 9th house then in the chart check Shani hold karaktwa for which house. Those house will not help... About 1/3rd part, consider the follwing, 1) Check what the delay is if its moderate then 2nd 1/3rd sector, if its early then 1st 1/3rd sector and full then last 1/3rd sector. 2) After checkign point 1 then check the planet giving result. If that planet is LOD or LOE then its very eager to give result. So it will try to give immediately as antra starts. 3) After that check if there are any zeroes. If 1 zero then even if its LOD or LOE so ideally it would be 1st 1/3rd sector but now it will move to 2nd 1/3rd sector... if there are 2 zeroes then it will move to 3rd 1/3rd sector. There may be slight variations of these rules.. but lets go with these for now and other variations will come out with more practice. Its not that complicated. So make an attempt with these rules and see. Practice will only makes things clear. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear List Members, Can members who have had multiple job changes or major financial ups and downs or something like huge hike in pay due to change of job or may have lost a lot of wealth or income suddenly for some reason or the other. Can List Members come forward with such charts if you have any with the following data. 1) Date Of Birth 2) Place of Birth 3) Time of Birth 4) Country of Birth and DST if applicable. 5) Job - From and through dates OR 5) Financial ups or downs - From dates and Through dates. 6) Overall feeling of good fortune or bad like for example " Someone may experience this for about 15 years of good / bad fortune " Some Past events to verify the chart a) Marriage date b) Date of birth of children c) Sickness / Accidents if any d) Death of any relative e) Misc dates if you can think of any that may help. I would like to study such charts in detail and discuss them on the list using Ashtakvarg System. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear List Members, I would like to submit my chart for this analysis. I am a real estate salesperson and have been trying to use ashtakavarga system to analyze when sales come. I have dates of when contracts were written and dates when I was paid. My information is as follows. Date of birth: June 1, 1966 Place of birth: Kansas City, MO Time Zone 6 Lat: 39 N 06 Lon 94 W 34 Time of Birth: 2:11 am CST United States Started selling Real Estate in February of 2000 until now I receive large sums of money but very sporadically. Past Events Marriage date: 10-20-1990 Birth of Children: 3-16-1984 4-12-1989 2-2-1992 Had a major accident on 12-9-1995. Suicide of my half-brother on 1-1-1996 Dates when I have written contracts this year are as follows: 5-10-2003 2-11-2003 3-28-2003 5-30-2003 6-10-2003 The year of 2002. I had very little income, this year has been better but still up and down. Thank you Stacey Dear Stacy, I just casted your chart and tried to match the events of your marriage and child birth. Except the first child none of the events match. I am getting your marriage in Moons antra that has -1 points. Also its aspecting house B so itself has no power to give results. First child conception in in Merc antra i.e. 4th house lord who is LOE so that fits. 2nd child's conception july 88. Now if conception happend in Venus antra i.e. very end then Venus is LOD for 11th house so conception is possible if it happened in Suns antra then Sun has only 6 points in worksheet for 11th house so venus antra is ok.. but sun though karak but hmm.. 3rd child's conception is may 1991 i.e. in Mars antra. Mars again has only 7 points for 11th house and is aspecting House A for conception house i.e. 11th house as B so 6th is A and mars aspects it. How confident are you of your time of birth Stacy ? Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Stacey, You were married in 1990 but you had children in 1984/03. Now If I consider *that* as your marriage date then it falls in Mercury's antra and that has highest points for 7th house and it fits. I guess things are more straight forward in India.. as compared to the west... I guess.. I am just not getting proper reasoning for 3rd child. Krushnaji and Margarita, can you confirm if Mars being LOD for 5th house can it give conception for a Female chart ??? 1) DBCE points are in ascending order so Business is indicated. 2) 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Sun, Shani.. (does it point to real estate ??) 3) lagna, sun and moon in 2 spots in navamsa, drekkhan and trimsamsa in sign of shani so good intellegence. 4) High points in SAV for 1st house. You started your business in Venus antra. Using Krushnas Ayanamsa around the time when mahadasha changed so karaktwa of Shani getting over and that of Mercury starting. So idea must have come during that time to do something on own. At that time MErcury antra was running and Mercury is with 5 bindus and in 3rd house so its very eager to give results for 6th and 10th i.e. (4th and 8th fom itself as its in House D of 6th house with high bindus and House E of 10th with 5 binds). So due to this fact you might have kept your job. Points in Mercury for 10th , 11th and 12th hosue are 17,15 and 4. MErcury is LOE for 11th and LOD for 10th so eager to give power and Income and at that time expense might have also been low so more savings. Then came Ketu antra and ketu is samdharmi to Guru and Mars. Again This antra will have mixed results. Mars is 2nd lord so Ketu antra will also have stress, unessasory tention or tooth aches. If you notice the following 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4 Mars 8 8 4 Guru 6 18 10 So here Ketu represents Mars and Guru so there will be on an average much lower results in " quantum " as compared to Mercury antra that might have been fantastic..... can u confirm the same please.. Now Since 2000/12 thru 2003/20 the native is running Antra of Venus. Venus is in 2nd house with High points. This will bring stress as being placed in 2nd house with high points. Such people with planets in 2nd with high points it might cause false accuasation also. Since it has high points it will boost 11th house but Oppose 5th house so native will have to work harder in this antra but income will be there.. Antra 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4 ----------------------------- Mars 8 8 4 Guru 6 18 10 ----------------------------- Venus 19 18 10 So compared to Ketu antra it will definitely be better at the same time person may also have to work harder than Ketu antra for the income. Expenses will be about the same. For 11th house (income) high planets getting high points are Mercury, Guru and Venus. Ketu represents Guru and Rahu represents Venus. So when sun transits House and Sign of these grahas better results for " income " can be expected. Points of Venus for 11th house Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 6 8 7 15 18 18 5 -- -- -- Based on that lets study the dates keeping in mind that venus antra is running. 1)5-10-2003 On 10/5 i.e May 10th Sun was transitting Sign and constellation of Venus and Mars. (Venus has 18 points) 2) 11/2/2003 i.e Suns transit into Shani and Mars (does not fit) however if it were between Feb 20th and March 4th then sun would have transitted Shani and Rahu and Rahu = Venus... so again that would fit.... [Can you confirm about this contract was there any revision or re-writing ??] 3) 28/3/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Jupiter and Saturn (Guru has high points) 4) 30/5/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Sun (Venus has high points) 5) 10/6/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Mars. (Venus has high points) So in this way you can check how Venus is appearing and Guru is appearing... going forward when Sun transits Gemini or Virgo also some better results as Mercury also has higher points... If you study your lifes income trends then you will notice that whenever sun transitted Signs or Nakshatra of Mercury, Guru, Venus and Constellations of Rahu and Ketu you might have got someing positive for income... On the same token if you also notice difficult times for income can be when Sun transits Sign of Sun, Moon, Mars and Saturn and excluding constellations of Guru, Mercury, Venus, Rahu and Ketu. There is a lesson on probable date finder in the file section you can download the same and find out the probable dates... and times for achieving success. Assuming your chart is correct this can show you how to approach this. Now another thing you can check... is this 1)5-10-2003 on 10/5/2003 total points were 198. 2) 11/2/2003 total points were 198. 3) 28/3/2003 total points were 222. So higher level of stress as antra of 2nd lord is running 4) 30/5/2003 total points were 187 so much more relaxed but felt that u had lesser control... 5) 10/6/2003 total points were 191.. so things were upbeat as compared to 30th of May but more stress too..... Can you please confirm the same... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash I have tried to answer your questions in Caps below. Stacey Hoffmann ashsam73 [ashsam73] Friday, August 22, 2003 1:47 PM Re: Request for Members - Submit Charts for Job/Financial Analysis Dear Stacey, You were married in 1990 but you had children in 1984/03. Now If I consider *that* as your marriage date then it falls in Mercury's antra and that has highest points for 7th house and it fits. I guess things are more straight forward in India.. as compared to the west... I guess.. YES I LEFT HOME AT THE AGE OF 16 DUE TO PROBLEMS WITH FATHER. I am just not getting proper reasoning for 3rd child. Krushnaji and Margarita, can you confirm if Mars being LOD for 5th house can it give conception for a Female chart ??? IF MARS AND VENUS HAVE EXCHANGED PLACES, CAN MARS BE SANDHARMI FOR VENUS? 1) DBCE points are in ascending order so Business is indicated. 2) 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Sun, Shani.. (does it point to real estate ??) 3) lagna, sun and moon in 2 spots in navamsa, drekkhan and trimsamsa in sign of shani so good intellegence. 4) High points in SAV for 1st house. You started your business in Venus antra. Using Krushnas Ayanamsa around the time when mahadasha changed so karaktwa of Shani getting over and that of Mercury starting. So idea must have come during that time to do something on own. At that time MErcury antra was running and Mercury is with 5 bindus and in 3rd house so its very eager to give results for 6th and 10th i.e. (4th and 8th fom itself as its in House D of 6th house with high bindus and House E of 10th with 5 binds). So due to this fact you might have kept your job. Points in Mercury for 10th , 11th and 12th hosue are 17,15 and 4. MErcury is LOE for 11th and LOD for 10th so eager to give power and Income and at that time expense might have also been low so more savings. YES I DID KEEP MY JOB FOR A WHILE AND EXPENSES WERE LOW AT THIS POINT. Then came Ketu antra and ketu is samdharmi to Guru and Mars. Again This antra will have mixed results. Mars is 2nd lord so Ketu antra will also have stress, unessasory tention or tooth aches. If you notice the following 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4 Mars 8 8 4 Guru 6 18 10 So here Ketu represents Mars and Guru so there will be on an average much lower results in " quantum " as compared to Mercury antra that might have been fantastic..... can u confirm the same please.. YES, EXACTLY RIGHT. STRESS WAS HIGHER, EXPENSES WENT WAY UP, AND BUSINESS WENT DOWN. Now Since 2000/12 thru 2003/20 the native is running Antra of Venus. Venus is in 2nd house with High points. This will bring stress as being placed in 2nd house with high points. Such people with planets in 2nd with high points it might cause false accuasation also. Since it has high points it will boost 11th house but Oppose 5th house so native will have to work harder in this antra but income will be there.. Antra 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4 ----------------------------- Mars 8 8 4 Guru 6 18 10 ----------------------------- Venus 19 18 10 So compared to Ketu antra it will definitely be better at the same time person may also have to work harder than Ketu antra for the income. Expenses will be about the same. For 11th house (income) high planets getting high points are Mercury, Guru and Venus. Ketu represents Guru and Rahu represents Venus. So when sun transits House and Sign of these grahas better results for " income " can be expected. Points of Venus for 11th house Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 6 8 7 15 18 18 5 -- -- -- Based on that lets study the dates keeping in mind that venus antra is running. 1)5-10-2003 On 10/5 i.e May 10th Sun was transitting Sign and constellation of Venus and Mars. (Venus has 18 points) 2) 11/2/2003 i.e Suns transit into Shani and Mars (does not fit) however if it were between Feb 20th and March 4th then sun would have transitted Shani and Rahu and Rahu = Venus... so again that would fit.... [Can you confirm about this contract was there any revision or re-writing ??] FINAL DATE ON THIS CONTRACT WAS REACHED FEB. 13TH 3) 28/3/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Jupiter and Saturn (Guru has high points) 4) 30/5/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Sun (Venus has high points) 5) 10/6/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Mars. (Venus has high points) So in this way you can check how Venus is appearing and Guru is appearing... going forward when Sun transits Gemini or Virgo also some better results as Mercury also has higher points... If you study your lifes income trends then you will notice that whenever sun transitted Signs or Nakshatra of Mercury, Guru, Venus and Constellations of Rahu and Ketu you might have got someing positive for income... On the same token if you also notice difficult times for income can be when Sun transits Sign of Sun, Moon, Mars and Saturn and excluding constellations of Guru, Mercury, Venus, Rahu and Ketu. There is a lesson on probable date finder in the file section you can download the same and find out the probable dates... and times for achieving success. I HAVE ONLY DISCOVERED THE LIST 2 WEEKS AGO AND AM STILL GOING THROUGH THE LESSONS. I HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THIS LESSON YET. Assuming your chart is correct this can show you how to approach this. THIS IS THE BIRTH TIME ON MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE. I HAVE NOT RECTIFIED IT YET BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IT NEEDS RECTIFICATION. Now another thing you can check... is this 1)5-10-2003 on 10/5/2003 total points were 198. 2) 11/2/2003 total points were 198. 3) 28/3/2003 total points were 222. So higher level of stress as antra of 2nd lord is running 4) 30/5/2003 total points were 187 so much more relaxed but felt that u had lesser control... 5) 10/6/2003 total points were 191.. so things were upbeat as compared to 30th of May but more stress too..... YES THE LEVELS OF STRESS YOU MENTION ON EACH OF THESE IS CORRECT. Can you please confirm the same... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Stacey Hoffmann " <spaceyhoff@e...> wrote: > Dear List Members, > I would like to submit my chart for this analysis. I am a real estate > salesperson and have been trying to use ashtakavarga system to analyze > when sales come. I have dates of when contracts were written and dates > when I was paid. My information is as follows. > Date of birth: June 1, 1966 > Place of birth: Kansas City, MO Time Zone 6 Lat: 39 N 06 Lon 94 W 34 > Time of Birth: 2:11 am CST > United States > > Started selling Real Estate in February of 2000 until now > > I receive large sums of money but very sporadically. > > Past Events > Marriage date: 10-20-1990 > > Birth of Children: > 3-16-1984 > 4-12-1989 > 2-2-1992 > > Had a major accident on 12-9-1995. > Suicide of my half-brother on 1-1-1996 > Dates when I have written contracts this year are as follows: > 5-10-2003 > 2-11-2003 > 3-28-2003 > 5-30-2003 > 6-10-2003 > The year of 2002. I had very little income, this year has been better > but still up and down. > Thank you > Stacey Hello Stacey, Welome to the list. I saw Ash did a good analysis about your chart. As you are learning, i thought it interesting to point out some particularities in your chart that are important in the system 1) Saturn has 6 points in the 1st, quite exceptional (i mean having 6 points) 2) Mars has 8 points in the 1st house 3) As there are 3 planets in your 3th house they boost your first because they all give points to the 11th from their position, so your 1st house becomes strong which gives a stubborn nature, you know what you want and are a fighter 4) check sub periods of mars 1975,1991, they were probably more difficult because Mars is lord of the 2nd 5) Moon is with mars and in mars navamsa, so more daring and quick decisions 6) lords of 1st and 9th have 2/12 relationship; this indicates the troublesome relationship with your father 2/12 relationship means " separation " 7) relationship between 1st and 3th are 3:11; this meaans better relationship between you and mother or more understanding 8) as points in the 1st are higher than in the 7th, you tend to dominate in a relationship unless your husband also has high points in his first house Well these were just a few thoughts Hope to read you often of the list Good luck Margarita Hello Ash, Stacey, 3° child born 2nd february 1992 in Saturn/Mars. Conception was also in Saturn/Mars. I think for female chart we should look at both houses 11th and 5th, but also at 12th and at the father's chart. Mars is LOD for the 12th and for the 5th. Mars has 13 points in the WS for the 5th but Mars can also act for samdharmi for Mercury who is a strong planet for childbirth in this chart. I think this is why it gave results. All contracts stated where in Saturn/Venus. Venus has good points for 3th, 6th and 11th houses, so it seems that contracts signid in 2003 were more profitable than those in 2002 In 2002 Jupiter was in Gemini (5p)and in Cancer (4p); Saturn was mostly in Taurus(4p) and by the end of the year in Gemini(2p). From this I deduce that the beginning of 2002 was more favorable than the end of the year concerning contracts. But as this is a new topic, I'm not too sure about that. but it seems that 2003 is not a bad year. Note that the sub period is changing by the end of october 2003. Best regards Margarita hi group, I have been a silent member watching/reading the postings for the past one year or so. I post my birth chart for analysis: DOB: 29.04.1957 TOB: 00.20.00 (midnight of 28th April) POB: Bangalore Asc: Capri, Sun, Moon, Venus, Merc®, ketu: Aries Mars: Gemini Jupiter®: Leo Rahu: Libra Saturn®: Scorpio I was hit by thunderbolt like financial scam in April/May 2002 which engulfed many of the co-op banks in Maharashtra/Gujarat of Western India. I was running Mars Dasha - Saturn bhukti when I was tossed for a six. I could find no logical/rational explanation for being the victim and resorted to looking for other explanations such as astro phenomena etc. Can the enlightended group members go through the chart and clarify whether the thunderbolt was foretold and if I could have minimised the impact if known in advance. thanx and regards narayan Dear Narayan, I went through the chart. 1) The antra u were running during April/May 2002 was that of Mars/Shani. 2) Check Shanis points. It has weak points i.e. less than 12 for the following houses. 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12th house. For 5th house it has 12 points so border line and can go either way. Here Shani is LOD for 5th and 4th house so its trying to give better results for 5th house so there will be ups and downs in terms of continuity of job. 3) Now Most important. At the time of April/May 2002, Shani was transitting Taurus in your chart thats 5th house and Moon is giving 0 points to it. So is it surprising that you faced troubles. At the same time Guru was transitting Gemini and in your chart its giving 4 points. So total of Guru + Shani = 4 points only. 4) Shani is also the lord of 2nd house so you will face a lot of stress and worries. This is aggrivated with Shanis transit over house with 0 points. 5) Using this system its very clear. By the way just to clarify Birth Time 1) Were you married during 1983/06 thru 1983/09. i.e. Suns antra. 2) Possible conception of children during 1984/07 and 1985/06 i.e antra of Sun. Using krushnas ayanamsa. 3) Other possiblities are in Shanis antra i.e. 1986/04 thru 1987/03 (LOD for 5th house) and Venus (LOE) i.e. 1988/06 thru 1989/06. Can you confirm the same, Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Narayan, The possiblilty of releif comes after March 25-30th 2003. This will start to look little better. Worries would get little better after 12/2002 but much more difference will be felt after March 25-30th 2003 but still. If you had a job it will get smoother/more stability after end March 2003. Relationship with wife that was also under strain will get much better and you will get family happiness and maybe some luxury like car or home too... Please confirm, Cheers !!! Ash Hello Narayam, Welcome , I see you casted the chart yourself but didn't use our ayanamsa. With Krushna's ayanamsa Jupiter goes to 0°12 Virgo and will receive sight of Mars with -7 points. ; this affects the quality of Jupiter and Jupiter is FK and NK for the 5th = speculation; he's also NK for the 2nd, house of wealth and the FK for the 8th house, also related to money. This just to point out how the ayanamsa can change the outlook of the chart . I wanted to point out that you take quick and daring decisions and act without too much hindsight; this makes you more vulnerable to losses. This trait is seen through the fact that the Moon is in Mars sign and Ketu nakshatra. Moon is also in Mars navamsa. Look how many times your Moon turns up in Mars sign in the div charts !! April/May 2002 was indeed the last part of Mars/saturn. Saturn as lord of the 2nd house (12th from the 3th) is considered as less good for health and general well being. Saturn can act for itself but also as natural samdharmi to Venus Venus is the 12th lord for the 11th (income)and also LOC for the 12th(losses) If you look at the points for Venus in the WS you will see that it gives more losses than gains. But let's focus only on Saturn to keep things simple. First let's look at the points for Saturn in the WS; its points for income ar rather low, so it cannot give favorable results. Look at the transits of Jup and Sat. for april and may 2002 These transits happen mostly in Taurus, house with 19 points only; this is low indeed Jupiter was in Gemini (more precisely in nakshatra of rahu)were it has 4 points, Saturn was in Taurus (more precisely in nakshatra of Moon) were it has 2 points, Let's only consider points of Jup and Sat 4 + 2 = 6; points should at least be 8 to give favorable results " if " the points of the sub planet in the WS are more more than 12 which is really a minimul. Note that the Moon has 0 points for this house Mars entered Taurus in april Sun, Venus,Mercury, all passed through this sign and the Moon did that twice. To conclcude think also about the following : You had Saturn transiting in Aries(2000), especially over de Moon and in 2002 were still under influence of this Saturn transit. Look how many points Jupiter (previous sub) has (in WS) for the 1st house(-3) and points of Saturn for the 1st (9). If we consider the 1st as " general well being " these points indicate much stress and fatigue so perhaps much risks or bad judgment during rahu and jupiter sub was responsible for losses during Saturn sub. Any feed back is welcome, we're all still learning, so don't take this as " ultimate truth " Best regards Margarita Dear Ash and Margarita, Thank you for both for wonderful analysis and kudos to you both for the prompt reply. Referring to the analysis of Margarita, I confirm that I take very quick and spontaneous decisions (regarding money as also investments) and many times regret later. Regarding ups and downs in job during the period in question, many times I thought of change of job, but presently am sticking to the present job. Referring to the analysis of Ash, I confirm that situation eased after Dec. 2002 and and became much smoother after March 2003. But I wish to add that the ease of tension is more of mental attitude, but on the ground level the chances of recovery of investment is still remote. Yes, I again confirm that domestic bliss has improved considerably after March 2003. I have car since 1998 and yes, I have made investment for construction of new house during the period, but havent moved so far. Regarding sun's antra for checking the correctness of birth time, the period 6/83 to 9/83 is not correct as I didnt have any marriage or girlfriend during that period. But the period 7/84 to 6/88 is right on the target as I had a serious love affair and had physical relationship, but it didnt result in conception. To give the correct date I will say that the love affair started on or about 25 Feb 85 and lasted till Dec. 1995 or thereabout. I did eventually get married on 26.08.2001 (yes, very late marriage) and had birth of a baby daughter on 24.07.2002. My father passed away in the last week of Oct. 1989 (on ekadashi day, 4 days prior to diwali). So I request the group, particularly Ash and Margarita to explore the chart further and analyse the same. With greetings and regards narayan Dear Narayan, Thank you for your feeback. I studied the dates you gave and all the dates did fit with the system. 1) I had made a error in typing .. the second period in which your relationship started was Rahu and Not Sun. The antra period give was right. Rahu is in the 10th which is LOE for 5th (love) and Rahu represents Venus (LOE for 5th) and Jupiter (LOE) for 12th house or eager to give bed pleasures.. so it fits as per what you say. Being in House E for 5th house it can also give childbirth. Again both charts have to be considered and stopping child birth is in ones hands. 2) The period I gave for ease of tention is *for mental period* because of Shanis transit. Shani is 2nd lord, transitting over a house with 0 points. A 0 in a house reduces results of that house. There could be blot on your name during that period and full period of worry and tention. All this aggrivated by transit of Saturn who holds karakatwa for 6th and 7th house matters so bank money related (6th house) or partnerships etc.. 5th house is also of Speculaiton as Margarita correctly pointed out.. and a Zero there is reducing that. So once Shani moves out of 5th and when Shanis antra gets over you will feel more relief and mentally. 3) Again if you see your marriage using this system it happened in Mars/Guru and Guru is LOE for 7th house so it fits properly. Guru cannot give conception as he is weak for 5th house if you see the points in the worksheet. 4) As soon as Shanis antra kicked in in Mars man conception happened. Shani is LOD for 5th house i.e. lord of 2nd house. So this also fits. 5) About home also see the worksheet and see the points that Mercury is getting. I beleive that will give the answer. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hello Narayan, Ash covered all topics nicely. Did you notice that Jupiter is strong for certain aspects of relationship.(having an affait and marriage came under jupiter) There was just the death of the father that wasn't covered. According the ayanamsa we use this was during Moon/Moon For this event we look at the 8th from the 9th = 4th house. You see Moon has 5 points for that house and Karak is Mars who is samdharmi to mainlord Moon; this also fits nicely Moon, according to points in the WS, can give results Best regards Margarita Hi Ash and Margarita, I went through the lessons and couldnt resist making about a prediction about my chart for change of job and/or change of place. I surmise I am due for change of job (for the better!!) and residence during January/February 2004. Can u please confirm?? thanx narayan z1e1b1r1a wrote: > > Hello Narayan, First let's get the sub periods right, at least then we are talking about the same time period. Mars/Ketu will start on 18 november 2003 and Mars/Venus will start 15th of april 2004. For the moment you are still in Mars/Mercury. If you casted the chart with another ayanamsa, you will have other dates Ketu will act for Mars, Sun and Jupiter. Ketu will be in house D for the 7th and in house E for the 11th. For job related questions we look at the 6th house, for authority at the 10th , for income at the 11th. For change in residence, it should be the 9th house here as you are not going abroad. Note all these houses are taken as " B " . Could me tell you about your reasoning so I could follow better Best regards Margarita Dear Narayan, Please use proper Ayanamsa as per this system then our antras will match then we can all be on the same page. Also please cast the worksheet and then you will be able to understand what we are saying about why certain things happen in certain antras only and from there we can go and narrow it down to pin point dates. Its a long process but lets go one step at a time. 1) For Job Change there is not just one House we must see. 6th house we take as B for job. 6th house holds karaktwa for 11th house. So when we say to time someone getting first job then we place House B = 6th house. Generally highest points for 6th house or LOD or LOE or planets in House D or E i.e. 11th of 3rd house with High points i.e. > 4 bindus are more eager to give job in their antra. 2) After you get job then you shift focus to 5th house. Why ? The reason is because 5th house holds karakatwas for 10th house i.e. Authority. Here is there are low points then person may have changes in job ... but then how to see if job is there or not ... 3) For that we check Income and for that we check points in 11th house and for authority again we check points of 10th house as B. So now if there is change of job and no income could mean that person might be unemployed during that time... but again there are so many things one has to see w.r.t. which other planets are samdharmis. For example if Say Venus antra is running then we know that Venus is Natural Samdhamrmi to Shani, similarly for Mars and Sun and Mars and Moon. These as per basic Vedic Astrology if u study keenly are Yogakaraks for each others house i.e Venus is Yogakarak planet for Shani's ascendents i.e. CApricorn and Aquarius and For Cancer and Leo Its Mars these all thigns you can get from lessons.... and all these are used together with points for timing. 4) For expenses you can check 12th house. Compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th for the antra running can show how much effort you need to put for income and in that antra how much expense you will have. If for that antra points of 12th are higher then there might be more expenses than income. In your chart now check closely. For current Antra. For 4th house Mercury is LOE so it does not matter how many points Mercury has it is eager to give results for 4th house. So its not surpirse you might have gotten some luxuries. It also has highest points for 4th house. Now also see points for 5th house for Mercury. Its giving only 5 points in the worksheet. Means that there can be change in job. Now check points of 10th, 11th and 12th. Here you can see points of 10th are 7, 11th = 17 and 12th = 20. So here this is showing me that you will might not have high authority (high authority means more work and more stress) here points are low, the COMPARED TO THAT you r getting very good income. Points are 17 much higher than 12 and for 12th house points are even higher 20 points. So from that I can deduct that maybe you bought a house, change in job, and high expense maybe because of house so you might spend money behind that. Now again MErcury is LOD for 12th house so its expenses for better things i.e. you will get more comfort as 12th house is for moksha and also for pleasures so being LOD or LOE it will give u happiness and pleasure .... Now you can go ahead and do the same for KEtu period. Ketu is samdharmi to Mars and Sun. For the 4th house Mars is giving 1 bindus and Sun is giving 3 bindus. So mars will act more like Sun. Now Sun is LOD for 11th hosue so again better income and better for 3rd house so more parakram. Now compare ketu antra with mercury. In mercury you had higher expenses but in ketu antra expenses will fall down, income will be much better than you made in Mercury antra so more savings. Please make your chart with Krushnas ayanamsa, Cast your worksheet and try to match the events. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hi! A friend wants to know when she is likely to get married. Her birth details are: 26th Oct 1974, 12:40noon, New Delhi, India Any analysis will be greatly appreciated. Warm regards Dear Mita, Your friends lagna is at 2Cp22. A difference of about 10 mins changes the lagna. Want to clarify a few things to ascertain the lagna. 1) Spending trend. With Cap 12th SAV points are more than 11th so her spending trend is more than savings 2) Is Allergic to authorative figure ? Does not like being told what to do or does not respond well to authority ? 6th lord in 10th 3) Is your friend sutbborn, my way or the high way kinda attitude ? And is she very confident in everything she does and egoistic ? 36 bindus in lagna v/s 26 bindus in lagna capricorn 4) Did your friend fall in love during 1992/10 thru 1994/02 5) Your friend must be very brilliant and have a photographic memory ? 6) If your friend was in a relationship it might have broken in 1994/02 thru 1995/01 this is using capricorn lagna in Mars antra. Low points for 5th and borderline for 12th i.e 12 points. Some other characteristics irrsepective of lagna. 1) Venus is spoilt. Its less than 3 degrees from Sun. Good thing is that this venus is not aspected by Shani and it also receives a check from Guru via its aspect. Can you confirm please. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hi, Ash. I am now aware that when Venus is > 43* from Sun, Guru with Venus can check it. However, how does this work in the case where Venus is < 3* from Sun? As the native loses interest in sex/marriage, are you saying that if Guru is conjunct/aspecting such a Venus - then it helps out by improving Venus's " impotence " due to Sun? So Jupiter with a Combust Venus means Native is not completely disinterested in sex/marriage? Thanks - Sateesh. ======== Dear Sateesh.... hmm.. .good point... You are right. I am just going to recap what we had discussed on chat. Venus to Sun distance > 43 degrees will make venus go out of the grap of Sun. If Saturn aspects it, it makes this worst. If Shani also aspects a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa then this may deny marriage or cause multiple relations. Now the planet that can check such a venus is Guru. If Venus is with Guru then Guru can check Venus. i.e. such a person will not forget his responsibilities towards his wife and family. On the other hand Venus < 3 degrees looses its venusian qualities. If its retrogate then it may have some power, if its direct and < 3 degrees then it looses all power. Such a person looses interest in " sex " , " sensual things " and other happy happy things that venus tends to shower a person with hmm .. I hope you get the drift. In the first case Guru can check Venus from going astray and even if say Venus shows its quality then it may be with sanction. In 2nd case the native itself looses the " venusian " qualities and so Guru might try to stop it from going to other extremes. Like if a person is married then instead of becoming bramachary one may have " sex " for producing children. Guru is also putrakarak. NK for child birth in male chart. Ruler of 12th house in kalpurush chart. In both cases mind you venus is spoilt and it does not change venus however Guru " checks " venus. I hope Margarita and Krushnaji can correct my understanding in regards to this topic. Good quesetion. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, Many thanks - it makes it clearer now. It would be interesting to see any " living " examples of < 3* Venus helped by Jupiter. No rush on this though :-) . Cheers - Sateesh. Hello, Look at the 3th house (12th from the 4th) for permanent relocation and also to the 12th house from lagna. Planets with low points in WS for the 12th house from lagna indicate " away from home " and planets with more points for the 112th from lagna can indicate " going back home " . Try to look at this together with other factors lakine for ex : When 4th lord is in the 3th = less family happiness, so this " could " indicate somebody who moves often also. The whole chart must be judged of course; these are only some factors to look at Best regards Margarita kpkanitkar wrote Hello Margarita Thanks for reply I have one chart 10 Dec 1968 11.52 am Bombay India Here Sat is lord of lagna and 12th which is in 2nd and retro while 4th lord Venus is in 12th. sat interesting have 0 points in 2nd house where sat is present. That the reason this question is. And Venus Which is 4th lord is in 12th and is in 12th house and Venus ashtakvarga points are 4 each in 3rd and 12th house. Does venus has more role or Sat in such case? Regards KPK Dear KPK, Zero given by any planet means less happiness for that house. It can mean that when Shani transitted Pisces this native might have had problems with authority and job. Did this native have a change of job or did he face any problems for his job or did he loose the job after Feb 20th 1996. It can also mean that no cooperation from subordinates or a blot on name. That period might have been with lots of stress and worries.. during the 2.5 years when shani transitted over pisces. Please confirm, Thanks, Cheers !!! Dear KPK and list members, I think I realised what I overlooked. Thanks for your response. Your answer made it clear. Let me explain. When shani transits over a house with low points yes the native faces problems. Those problems come via the house that shani holds karaktwa for. Now Shani holds karaktwa for 7th house and 8th house in the natives chart. So problems will come via that area. So you said the native faced problems in the area or no co-operation for marriage 7th house and also via 8th house matters for the 2nd house which is for family, wealth, karak for marriage etc. Sorry about that. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Dadhi, All 3 are important for finding profession. It is not whichever is stronger of the 3 but ALL 3. Take your chart for example. 1) 10th lord from lagna is Aquarius. Its lord is Shani. Now Shani is placed in Scorpio navamsa and its lord is Mars. So we get Mars. 2) 10th lord from Sun is Cancer. Its lord Moon is placed in navamsa of Guru. So we get Guru. 3) 10th house from Moon is Pisces. Lord of Pisces is Guru who is placed in navasma of Gemini so again Mercury. So your profession or inclination will be for profession linked to Mars, Guru and Mercury. The lesson on finding occupation has more details like finding the intellegence of a person. A butcher and an autoposy surgeon both deal with similar things but to be an autopsy surgeon one needs more qualification and intellegence and more delicate hands etc. So we need to see lagna, sun and moon in sectors of shani in navamsa, drekkhana and trimsamsa to judge the intellegence. This is also very important. Also we might need to check DBCE points (SAV) i.e. 3,6,10 and 11 poinst and points in lagna to check the confidence of the person etc etc..... Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash > Dear Dadhi, > All 3 are important for finding profession. It is not whichever is > stronger of the 3 but ALL 3. OK. But if it is so for KAS, it is somewhat different from standard jyotish shastras... > The lesson on finding occupation has more details like finding the > intellegence of a person. A butcher and an autoposy surgeon both > deal with similar things but to be an autopsy surgeon one needs more > qualification and intellegence and more delicate hands etc. So we > need to see lagna, sun and moon in sectors of shani in navamsa, > drekkhana and trimsamsa to judge the intellegence. This is also very > important. Regarding intelligence, it would be nice that some additional explanation is given. I do not understand what exactly one has to do with Lg, Su, and Mo in sectors of Shani. Good grasping power, inteligence, memory etc. is required everywhere, in many professions. Let say someone is a movie actor like Depardieu from France. I think he is somewhat known there. He does not have Lg, Mo or Su in any sector of Shani (for Navamsha, Drekhana and Trimshamsha), but mostly in Mars sector. But he is an actor. He has to remember a lot of text given to him. Now, since he does not have either Lg, Mo or Su in sectors of Shani - is he less inteligent ? I do not know... maybe... . but does not seem so. Let say that a person believes in God and Lg, Mo and Su are prominent in sectors of Jupiter (as explained in lesson). And that person might be very inteligent, and not have 2 or 3 Lg, Mo or Su in sectors of Shani. How to explain this ? All the best, Dadhi Selection of houses for Degree and post graduate: If one gets a degree that increases the status of the person then 6th and 10th along with 5th house and their lords have to be studied as 6th house increases the status and 10th for profession this is from lagna. 5th house is for degree and 9th for advanced learning and spiritual learning. But before you dwelve into the degree, the intellegence of the person has to be gauged as success and failure would depend on it. The karak for intellegence is Saturn and if lagna lord, Sun and Moon are in the Saturnian sign in Navamsa, Drekkhana and Trimsamsa then the person can be very intellegent. 4th house is for knowlege and 5th for degree. For an institute , which does not give any degree, 12th house and 9th hosue would have to be studied for spirituality and higher learning. Sometimes we find that a person may be very intellegent but the dasa running at that point might now be favourable at all, though a person is inclined and wants to do say for example engineering but during the maturity of grade 12 marks and at the time of admission if the dasa running is not favourable then he may not get admission into a college, this can also be studied from Navamsa lords of 10th house from Sun, lagna and moon have to be studied and their respective strengths. What may be good education or level of education in one coutry may be different from the other, and this is also to be studied depending on the place one is in. This have been rewritten by ash from my answer in the group, I liked it, so if filed will be useful for other members. So sending in the group as a lesson. Dear Donna,Please rewrite it if required and Please put it in file section, krushna Hello Dadhi, I understand your confusion about " intelligence " . I think we must use our good common sense and not focus exactly on " words " that can have many different meanings for different people who use them. Intelligence is also one of these terms and what is qualified as being intelligent here is the capacity to " grasp " things, to understand them, to control them. So when either asc Sun or Moon lands up in navamsa, drekkana or trimsamsa of saturn, the person has a good fotographic memory and " grasps " things quickly. Saturn is also a symbol of organised knowledge while Jupiter represents more knowledge that comes from inheritance from ancestors knowledge but not needing big personal effort to understand, it's mostly repeated. There are other forms of intelligence like " intuition " if they can help other intellectual faculties, they are not considered under Saturn. I hope I'm making things clear. Another topic perhaps interesting to know in studying this system is the following. One needs good basics knowledge of Vedic Astrology, something you seem to master quite well. This system is only for " timing " certain events and see " when " they can happen. If points in WS are high, the event can happen but this does not mean that the event will be happy. A strong sixth lord giving results will not give " happy " results for all houses even with high points. So conception or childbirth could be indicated but it could be a mentally retarded child for example. Or if somebody marries in a period with high points this does not meaan that the marriage will be happy. I had some problems to keep those two things separate in the beginning but I'm sure you will manage because when I read your mails your questions indicate that you are on the right track. Good luck and best regards Margarita Dear Krushnaji, Margarita, Dadhi and list members, DBCE points if in ascending order show the grace of karak. So if we are checking 3:6:10:11 points from lagna it means we are checking Grace of karak who is lagna. So may show the personality of the preson so in this chase if they are in ascending order it shows a person who can take daring, is confident and such persons can do their own business. Now you check them also from Moon and Sun and you can get an idea. So if 2 are in zigzag and if 1 is in ascending order then more towards service. There is more towards it and I am still thinking on this part. There are 3 types of business 1) Continous rolling of money like say a restaurant. [LAGNA] 2) Contract type work so one gets money after work finished [MOON] 3) Fixed Salary where one gets paid on a particular day. [sUN] Now if you are studying for a fixed income then you can check poitns of DBCE from Sun. For contract income you can check DBCE from moon and for continious income you can check from lagna. But overall results must be seen from Lagna. i.e 3:6:10:11 from lagna. Good and bad period should be considered from Lagna and Worksheet. We also need to consider the sign placement of Sun and moon if they are in a friends sign of enemies sign. Basically we need to study the status of each. Now for any finaicial problems the transit of Saturn and Guru are very important. To go into to detail on why you can study the kalpurush chart. If in a malefic is transitting a house with 0 points then more problems and where the problem is coming from can be studied from the karaktwa of the transitting malefic planet. We also have to study the SAV points where Sun, Moon and Lagna have. Krushnaji and Margarita, please feel free to correct my understanding. And add to what I have written if I have missed out something. I hope that helps, Thanking you, Cheers !!! Hello Dadhi, Thanks for the chart of BV Raman. I think this chart is interesting even if I don't know if the TOB has not been " adapted " for certain purposes. I saw, as you pointed out, how often Sun,Moon or Asc land up in Saturn's in the important divisional charts.It surely must have helped him a lot in mastering astrology. I think this chart is also interesting to illustrate nicely the so famous " samdharmi " principle and how planets behave in this particular case in their 4:10 relationship. Look at Mars(3p) in 7the and Jupiter (5p) in 10th. Mars is going to collect points from Jupiter and thus gets strength from him. Mars is aspecting Jupiter with +5 points and make Jupiter strong;so both planets become very strong in the chart. Without going into multiple details the positions in kendras and high MF (multiplication factor) for all planets except Venus is also an interesting factor. Best regards Margarita Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to my Briefcase ] Dear Krushna, Ash and members, I would like to present one interesting chart: Male, 23.09.2003. / 21:03 / 16 E 00, 45 N 50 / +1 As you see, the boy is still very small, but has the Down Syndrom. I tried to analyse some doshas in his chart according to KAS. Many doshas are present, but I tried to focus on his intelligence and personality. Please correct me if something is wrong. 1. worksheet points for planets are mostly quite LOW. Except for 2nd and 7th house, most of the planets do not cooperate so much for other houses. It seems that he will not have a normal life. 2. he is born in Ketu Dasha, indicating some suffering due to previous karma. The following Dashas are also not so good. 3. Lagna lord is debilitated and in the sign with lowest points (SAV) together with Su who has less than average bindus (BAV). 4. there is no DBCE ascending order from any house. 5. Saturn is very malefic, because of his aspect on Ju, Me and Mo (Shani has 5 bindus). Saturn aspect on Mo (mind; communication abilities as 3rd lord), Ju (karaka for lagna, as 8th lord) and Me (lord of 2nd and 5th, speach and inteligence). 6. Aditionally, 12th lord Ma (5 bindus in BAV) also badly aspects Ju, Me and Mo ... and Mars also aspects Su (lord of the 4th and karaka for 9th house) and Ve. If my attempt is right, his intelligence and future are not so bright. The boy is the son of my friend. Naturally, he is worried about the future of his son. What do you all think, is there any possibility for some kind of normal life, in some period of time (Dasha) ? OTOH, it seems that the boy could be an intelligent one. He has Lg and Mo in three sectors of Shani and maybe, he should be encouraged to learn something. Any suggestions? All the best, Dadhi Dear Krushnaji, Dadhi and list members, I did some research on the web w.r.t. down syndrome. Its a genetic disorder and do with chromosome abnormality. I do not have much knowledge in the field of medical astrology. Maybe others who have more knowledge can comment on the same. Maybe Krushnaji can shed some light and give some guidance on how are genetic abnormalities seen or studied. Cheers !!! Ash Hello Dadhi, Thank you for the chart. We did similar chart on down's syndrome and Krushna gave a mail about it dated on 6th january 2002, I'm sure you can study the chart i posted and his answer. I have no time to go into the chart right now but at first sight 3th lord is in the 4th house and moon is in nakshatra of ketu. Relationship between 1st and 5th lords are 2:12. These are factors that indicate " mentally retarded child " . I hope this helps you on the way. I will study this chart and make the worksheet when i have some free moment. Thanks and best regards Margarita Dear Margarita and Dadhi, Thanks Margarita that was a good lead. I went through the post given by Krushnaji. I noticed the following things. 1) Venus is in 12th from its own house 2) 12th from 4th house is in 4th house 3) 1 zero due to Moon in 5th house. Moon incidentlally rules 3rd house who holds karaktwas for 8th house. 4) Points in the WS for 6th house are all very low. Even Ju and Moon who are LoD and LoE have less points. So recovery from illness might be more difficult. 5) As per your direction and Krushnajis mail, 3rd lord is in 4th so reducing 4th house happiness, Lord of 5th house goes into 12th from 5th i.e. 4th house so reduces 5th house happiness and also coupled with that 5th has a zero given by moon (karak for 8th). 6) Overall all points in WS are weak for pretty much all the houses and by all planets. 7) Points in 2nd in WS are stronger so the child may get support from family. 8) Moon is in nak of Ketu. 9) 6th lord is in 5th house and samdharmi to sun, moon, mercury aspecting Mars in navamsa. 10) Mars overall strength of Mars is weak for each and every house in WS so again he is NK for lagna and weak again. 11) Sa is in 2nd house with more points and Me i.e. 2nd lord is SD to Venus, Moon and Jupiter so in antra of all these planets there will be lot of stress and worries. These were some points that I could see. Will wait for Margaritas response. Thanks for posting the chart. Cheers !!! Ash Hello Ash, Thanks for the input. Here I just tried to point out some configurations that indicate a mentally retarded person and these factors should always be checked before analysing any chart because usually people don't mention these states and we can be led on the wrong track. Down's syndrome is not an illness; it's just another way of " being " so I don't think factors about illness or recovery should be checked. One other thing Krushna mentioned I think is that in the father's chart Saturn probably is in the 10th house, but I'm not 100% sure of that. Dadhi you could check that because it's your friend's child. Best regards Margarita > One other thing Krushna mentioned I think is that in the father's > chart Saturn probably is in the 10th house, but I'm not 100% sure of > that. Dadhi you could check that because it's your friend's child. Father's data: 04 Feb 1962 / 07:25 AM / 16E00, 45N50 / +1 (see chart below). Saturn is not in 10th house. All planets are in the 1st house (!?).... Dear Ash, Margarita, Dadhi, and List members, For Male chart refer the navmansha chart, Sa is in 10th. Navamansha and Rashi chart have equal status. (take birth time 7:15) In Female chart 11th house should also be refered for Child birth. In female chart Mars is in 8th house and Rahu is in 11th. This combination indicates cesarean, and more pron for a mentally retarded child. (Sag lg) krushna Dear Krushna, Thank you for this nice points. I have one dilemma regarding mother. It seems to me strange that she got baby in Saturn bhukti. Saturn is in the house D, but with 0 bindus, and Saturn is not samdharmi to Moon or Jupiter (lords of D and E). I think that it was stated somewhere that planets in D or E should have high bindus or be significators for an event. I would be pleased if you or someone else can explain this situation. All the best, Dadhi Dear Dadhi, For child birth we study the conception time which falls in Guru antra in the last 1/3rd sector. Guru has become strong due to Mars i.e Mars gives its points to Guru and Guru controls it. Guru is also LoE for 11th house and is situated with LoD and is Naturak Karak. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash I agree that it becomes a case study. My friend is willing to cooperate. Some details from his life: - His was actually born at 07:15, not 07:25 (but it does not change the position of lagna). - He left school in 1979 and travelled around Europe - 0n July 1st 1979 he got employed as a warehouseman. - His grandfather died on 20th February 1985. He loved his grandfather very much. - He worked till 1990 in the same company, and after that he went to another company as truck driver. - In March 1992 he got fired, and on 1st May 1992 he went to war. He came back on 1st December 1992. - He worked in the new company as warehouseman and delivery-man from 1st March 1993 till 1st September 2003 with a little interruption : he went to war on 5th August 1995 and came back exactly after one month later, on 5th of September. - In 1999 he went to India. He has been interested in spiritual life since 1979. - He fell in love with his future wife and they started dating on 1st November 2001. He got married to her on 26th January 2002. - From 1st of September 2003 he has been working as a commercial clerk in a new company. - His grandmother died on 4th October 2003. - He has big phobia: claustrophobia (elevator, bus and tram jams etc.) - His wealth is below the average. > Maybe we can do this chart as a blind chart analysis. > > With Guidance of Krushnaji I am sure we all will get to learn > something new as each charts is unique. It would be nice if Krushna has time to help. > Also if possible can you get the chart of wife. She was born on 25th May 1976. at 21:00, 16E00, 45N50 / +1 (However, her TOB should be rectified, since lagna could be either in Sg or Sc +/- few minutes). > I beleive that statistics that I read on the web for Down Syndrome > only 15% data pointed to this syndrome coming from father. > So it would also be better to study mothers chart to see if at the > time of conception if that nakshatra was afflicted by Rahu and/or > Mars. I got some additional info about the mother: - her parents got divorced on November 1978. - half-sister was born on 18.11.1983., and half-brother on 26.5.1985. - grandfather died on 13.12.1995. - graduated in biology on 18.6.2003. - delivered the baby through Cesarean section All the best, Dadhi Dear Dadhi, Here is my attempt. Basic Observations. 1) Here 6th lord is touching all planets. 2) 2nd lord is in 12th from itself. 3) 6th lord touching all planets i.e. all planets are SD to 6th lord. 4) All planets are SD to 2nd lord. 5) Venus is giving 0 to 7th house. First job in july 1979 in AD of Moon. Moon has 15 points for 6th house. Also Moon is LoD for 10th house. Moon also is having 20 points for 11th house so triggering income. Death of Grandfather 20th feb 1985 in Rahu/Saturn. Saturn has 13 points for 12th house and is SD to Ve and Me. Mahadasha is of 7th lord or Rahu is more like Moon. March 92 - lost job, went to war and got another job after all in Rahu/Sun. Sun has low points for 10th/5th house but high for 6th so quicky go another job. Marriage happened on 26th Jan 2002. There is considerable delay. Venus to sun distance is only 1.8, its with Shani and shani is with sun and moon and shani i..e karak is in 12th from 2nd and venus giving 0 bindus to 7th house. Now marriage happened in Mercury antra who is 6th lord and in last sector. Decision might have been made in the 2nd sector itself w.r.t marriage. Mercury has the lowest points for 7th house and is LoD for 12th house. When marriages happenen in lowest significator or 6th lord then there is some problems or the other in marriage or delayed/problems in child birth etc. In his wifes chart there are 3 zeroes in the chart and guru is in libra in navamsa. Jupiter is LoD and is getting power from Mars who is LoE. There is delay and Guru is checking delay due to Shani. So Marriage happened as soon as Guru's antra kicked in. Guru has highest points in WS for each and every house. It also has the highest points for 11th house so will give conception. Its pretty late now.. I must get some rest. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Manu, Brilliant question. I also had been thinking on this question. Krushnaji and Margarita, can you please go through this email and point out my (mis)understandings and feel free to point out anything in addition I might have missed or overlooked. I am still in the thought process so I may also need more guidance. I shall share with you what I have thought and understood thus far. It is said that when planets TRANSIT through a house with HIGH SAV it gives good results. This is one place where this is used. So take a chart and see where planets are today and then you see the natal chart and add all the points where planets are Transitting Today. When you do that what have you done ? Indirectly you have considerd so many things. SAV is the strength that each planet and lagna give to each house. Then you check where planets are Transitting today then those BENEFIC bindus (SAV) are picked up where a particular planet is transitting. So that is step 1. So when you add up SAV points (as per lesson) and you get more than 196 points (28 average bindus in a house for 7 planets 28 x 7 = 196) So if daily points are more than 197 then Generally thigns go your way so you will feel happy / elated. Now we add another layer. Say if antra of 2nd lord is running and one is getting - ASSUME 210 points then person will have more " worries " as 2nd lord's antra gives stress. So more points here might show that. Then we can add another layer. We then get into each planet and study them. Say if Shani is transitting a house with 0 points then again more points (SAV Total) for the day may show more stress. If Shani at the same time is transitting a house 12th from itself so based on the chart you can find out what house Shani is FK for and one can make finer deductions that way. If Say lagna is Scorpio and Mars at that time is Transitting 12th house (12th from lagna) and overall points for the day are say 176 then person might feel sick on that day or might have headache or some flavour for ill health. For Sco lagna, Karak for 6th (health) is lagna and Mars is Transitting a house 12th from lagna so it looses status. So in this way each planet w.r.t chart must be checked. For checking Financial Status, Transit of Guru and Shani is very very important. Shani and Guru rules 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th house in Kal purush chart. If a planet is giving good points for 11th house in Worksheet however if Guru + Shani points total is less than 8 then here antra is helping but Transits are not so if a person is doing business his payment might get stuckup or not proper flow of money etc might be faced. Sometimes you notice some persons might loose their jobs however Transit of Guru + Shani points are more than 8 then in such cases he can still get some help from somewhere wherein he might be able to fulfill his daily needs. Where help can come, you can go deeper into the system but we can leave that for now. This is one of the primary reasons when Shani transitts a house with 0 points a person faces financial problems because UNLESS Guru transitts a house where he is giving 8 points only then can total points be 8. Otherwise Transits wont help and person faces financial crunch. So many people ask, when I can repay my debt. Here good antra for income along with good Transits of Guru and Shani are important. If that happens then he gets help from all angles and can repay his / her debt. For people getting into the mood if u know what I mean, here Transit of Venus must be studied closely. If Antra is good, and daily points (SAV total is good) along with Transitting Venus through a house with more than 4 bindus might help. For seeing mood for the day, I think this question you have asked in your mail, you can check Study moon and its status. IF moon is transitting Gemini and at the same time daily points are low then you might not feel pretty good in your mind. Might feel confused or might not be able to think clearly. Once a friend of mine I had told in 3 days he might not feel well. He said that for long time he had not fallen sick or and was in perfect health. 3rd day came along and he got a severe headache and a came down with a flu. Here I had checked the status of Mars along with some other things. Sun is the spirit. Life force. You can check the status of Sun like that. In such a way you can go deeper and deeper using same principles that we have learnt in the lessons. The real power is in SAV. Just the basic on what each house points in SAV shows and how we get each bindu (favourable yog) we do that unknowingly so we cover a vast portion of Vedic Astrology including all the contras. Brilliant question. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Manu, Worksheet is what you use in the end to select the right significator that can furnish the event. After you select the proper planet then you can narrow it down further using the proper 1/3rd sector and Suns transit. This all is given in lesson. But before you reach this step you have to study the chart first and judge the status of each planet. When I say status, I mean in detail on the bindus it gets, sign placment, navamsa placment, in the house of friend/enemy, its samdharmis, its div chart status, 4:10, influence of 6th lord, influence of 12th from B (house under focus), planets in 12th from own house, planet placment in a house (say if LoB is placed in 2nd house from B, so it goes to dhan sthan so status is enhanced so such way if planet goes to 10th house so in upchaya so better etc etc). Even before you reach that you also need to study the nature of the person, his intellegence, how a person will react to an event for example if a person has say more than 35 points in lagna in SAV then person might be very adament and ego centric. He might be having the attitude of " my way or the high way " attitude and might not be adjustive person. The psychology of such a person might be very different as compared to a person with say 26 bindus in lagna. Again their intellegence factors is very important. Also we need to study say other factors like blessings of a guru/father, of mother, nav pancham yogs etc to see things. With all that you get an idea of the person first. So now lets assemble these things and start with the last thing that I wrote above first. 1) So study the chart - get an idea of the person in short psychology 2) Study the status of each and every planet from all angles. 3) Study how the event will be happy / unhappy. 4) Then use worksheet to pin point the event. So say if u are studying marriage, then for example if lagna/7th lords are in 6:8, points for 5th (assume male chart) are low in WS, Venus is in krittika and its distance to sun is > 43 deg and its asp by Shani and shani asp a luminiary at the same time say if guru is in 0-3deg20 in Libra rasi and say lagna SAV is 37 and intellegence is moderate. And to add to all that say if Venus and Mars are together and its aspected by Guru. So if u see such thigns (based on the lessons) you can get inclination that this chart is not of happy marriage and if there is it might be multiple or not long lasting or only limiting to pleasures. So then if the question asked is " When will I get married ? " Here study first if marriage is possible (lesson on denial of marriage). If indications are there and MARRIAGE IS UNHAPPY then what ANTRA will you select from worksheet ? Here we go by logic that IF IT WERE AN HAPPY EVENT IT WOULD TAKE PLACE IN HIGHEST SIGNIFICATOR. UNHAPPY EVENTS HAPPEN IN LOWEST SIGNIFICATOR. So here what will you pick ? Cheers !!! Ash Dear Manu, Planets in 4:10 are called Mutual Coworkers which is given in texts that are available. It means planest that help each other. Can exchange / replace the other planet if the planet is not able to give results due to any reason like if its having its dristi on primary upchayas or maybe its period has just gotten over as there was delay etc so in that case its samdharmi can step forward to " Help " . When we cast SAV from BAV it does not cover this special relationship. So we consider this seperately in the worksheet. This is the highest level samdharmi. But we need to study this relation closely. So in worksheet if you study closely you first Consider BASIC strength i.e. A+B+C points. With that you get what the planet strength is for that house on its own without considering any 4:10, aspects etc. Consider 10th place as the Boss and 4th from it as the Subordinate. So say 4th house is Boss and 7th house is Subbordinate or 10th house is boss and lagna is subordinate or 5th is boss and 8th is subordinate etc etc. After establishing the relationship of Boss-Subordinate we then focus on planet. Say if a planet is resident in the Boss house and there is a planet in the Subordinate house. Let us establish the nature of planet as strict or lienent. If a planet is with more points i.e. > 4 then he is a noble planet and if a planet is with less bindus < 4 he is strict. Now let us combine the above and get an understanding. If Boss is strict (planet in 10th is < 4 bindus) then Planet in the subordinate will have to listen to the boss. Here he gives the points to the Boss planet (in the WS). Now the question becons is ? 1) What is the Subordinate is also a culprit (< 4 bindus) 2) What is the Boss is a noble man (> 4 bindus) and the subordinate is culprit (< 4 bindus) 3) What if Boss is strict (< 4 bindus) and Subordinate is noble man (> 4 bindus) 4) What if Boss is strict (< 4 bindus) and Subordinate is also culprit but with more points than boss. i.e Say if Boss = 2 bindus and Subordinate is with 3 bindus. 5) What is Boss is strict (< 4 bindus) and subordinate is also culprit (< 4) however with lesser point than Boss. i.e. Say if Boss = 3 bindus and Subordinate = 2 bindus. Here is where you start to get in deeper. Basic law is if Planet is in 10th with less points then it will control the planet in the 4th. 4th will give its points. Now solving above scenarios 1) Subordinate will have to give it points to Boss but he is still culprit so he will do so but with opposition. He will help the boss but in malefic deeds. 2)If Boss is noble man and subordinate is culprit here, Boss CANNOT control the subordinate. Here if Subordinate gets a chance he will OPPOSE the boss and cause mischief. Here no matter what the Boss is still Boss so culprit will act as though he is supporting the boss but at last minute might back out his support. So here he will not support and cause opposition. 3) Best situation is when Boss is strict and a he has a noble and trust worthy subordinate. Here Subordinate will go out his way to help the boss out. This is when Subordinate planet has > 4 bindus and Boss is strict < 4 bindus. Here Subordinate will help the boss to give good results without any opposition. 4) Here Both Boss = 2 bindus and Subordinate = 3 bindus. Here both are malefic. Boss is the bigger " Don " here. So here you have a situation wherein 2 culprits or malefics are working helping each other scratching each others back. But both will help each other in malefic deeds. [in vedic astrology combination of Mars and Saturn in 4:10 is not considered good as generally both have less than 4 bindus and what happens is that here you get 2 natural malefics working helping each other cause more havoc in a chart]. In our system we say a planet is malefic if the planet has < 4 binds and a benefic if the planet has > 4 bindus. 5) Here Boss = 3 and Subordinate = 2. Here again both are malefic. So Subordinate will give its points the Boss but will also OPPOSE the boss if it gets chance as the subordinate is even more malefic than that Boss. My suggestion is study the flow of worksheet. You will get an understanding on the SEQUENCE of the flow and try to understand what is happening. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Hello Ash and List Members, > > That was very instructive. thank you. I will try to practice a few > horoscopes. > > I had one more doubt. Is there any logical basis for 4:10 theory? I > understood the reasoning behind Upachayas. For instance, > if 'children' is the event, house B is 5th. A is 12 which is for > mating and is a precondition. C is house 9 and the reason which is to > continue our Vansh by means of grandchildren. It expands our family > (house 2/house D). And it brings about a change of state for our > responsiblity (house 10/house E). > > This is a beautiful relationship between houses. So, naturally we > should expect some such relation for 4:10 theory of samdharmis too. > Is there any such relation? > > The only thing I can think of is a bit crude: > > Since, 4th house represents mother, any planet placed in 4th from > another planet gives strength to the planet in 10th from it. Kindly > excuse me if I totally missed the point. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu Dear Manu, Dadhi and list members, If you all have any chart with proper birth time and known events then please list them. Then you can practice the basics and find out why certain things happened at such and such time. That will make learning on real charts and more fun and meaning ful. Like that you should solve some charts and then once you start to get a proper approach and get stronger in fundamentals then we can start to take more blind charts. Then you will get more and more confidence. Stronger the basics more will be the clarity. Some of the questions that most people ask 1) Health 2) Job - a) When will I get job ? b) When will I get promotion ? c) Layoffs ? d) Bonus ? e) Stress non cooperation at work 3) Income / Finance a) Why do I have debt ? b) How will my such and such period will be for income ? c) Financial Crunch / Crises d) Best periods / Favourable periods for income e) When will one be able to repay debt 4) Marriage a) Marriage happened but no happiness why ? b) Why is there delay in marriage ? c) When will one Marry ? d) Seperation e) Multiple Marriages f) Timing of Happy marriages g) Timing of Unhappy marriages 5) Children a) Trying for children but no sucess why ? b) Delayed in childbirth c) When will one have a child ? d) Will the child be Male/Female/Twins ? e) Ceasearean birth ? f) Miscarrages why ? 6) Court Cases - Legal Matters 7) House / Home / Car / Luxuries a) When will one be able to buy a house 8) Career / Education a) Inclination to a career b) Intellegence of a person c) Knowledge/degree/postgraduate d) Travelling abroad for education e) Scholarhips 9) Service / Business a) Are there indications for business ? If you observe closely you will see that most people ask such / these questions. If you are able to answer these questions you will be able to help a lot of people. Cheers !!! Ash Hello Ash and List members, In lesson 21, Vyavasaya Jataka (Occupation), Step four for the sample horoscope states that Me and Sa have good points for all 12 houses as per the worksheet. Does this mean that we have to construct 12 worksheets with each house as House B to determine the occupation planets. That is too much work, isn't it? Is my understanding correct? I don't think so. Can you please explain the procedure of step 4 in more detail. Also I was analyzing a horoscope and I found that hs10 and hs11 from lagna have 28, 29 points in SAV and hs10 and hs11 from Mo have 24 and 37. So, what do we predict?: 1. Less effort, more earnings, or, 2. More effort, less earnings. It will be a nice idea to analyse horoscope as exercise problems. I am always for this technique. Ash do you have any good horoscopes for us. I shall try and ask my friends for their horoscopes. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, Please consider the latitude and long. The place is not Bombay. sorry about the confusion. March 8, 1967 17.50 IST 26n17, 73E04 Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash and members, Here is my attempt... Below is the chart, both D-1 and D-9. +--------------+ |Ve Sa |Ra | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Su MeR | |JuR | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| D-1 |-----------| | | |Lg | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | |Mo |Ma Ke | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ +--------------+ | Ke |MeR |Su | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | |JuR | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| D-9 |-----------| | Ve Ma | | | | | | | | | | Mo Lg | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | |Sa Ra | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ > Chart data: male born 8th of march 1967 at 17h50 in Bombay > Zone 5.30 73E4 – 26N17 -ayanamsa 22:23:5 > > Question : > > 1. When did the native marry ? House A is Virgo, aspected by Ve (badly, because Ve has more points) and Sa (positively, because Sa has low points). However, Sa aspects house A, but there is no delay because the aspect of Ju (this rule is mentioned in one text). Karaka of A is Me, situated in Saturn's house, house B. Venus is not far away from Su, not in bad nakshatra, but it is with 6th lord (Sa). That is not so good. Fortunately, Ve is strong and not too close to Saturn. Saturn aspects in D-9 are not related to ABC houses, so no delay. Using KAS, it seems that native got married in Rahu dasha when he was 19-21 years old. Rahu acts like Mars (LoD and also FK for 2nd and 9th houses) and Ve (karaka for marriage). Bhukti should be Ve or Su or Mo. Su and Mo more likely, because Mo is LoE and Su is placed in B. Both are weak in WS, but Mo slightly... > 2. When did conception of his children occur (native has one male and > one female child) ? 5th house rules children in male chart. 9th house is house C and 12th lord is karaka, as the lord of house A. Jupiter ( NK ) is situated in house A with more points. Both Jupiter and FK Moon are weak in WS (btw, most of planets). LoD and LoE are strong in WS. 5th house is aspected by Rahu and Saturn. Rahu afflicts it, and Saturn aspect is good. According to the rules, no zero points should be in 9th, and here we have zero point. I do not know what to do with it........ this person has children. According to the rules, DBCE points are in increasing order and female child should be first. But, to tell you sincerely, I do not know how to find conception time using KAS. I do not know the rules. > 3. Has this person his own business or has he a job related to > " service " Points DBCE from 6th (as B) are very good, ascending (not zig-zag) for own business. His confidence is good. He can save some money. > 4. Why did the native face troubles (cash-flow) since 1999 > and is the situation improving now ? Saturn gives zero points for Aries, and from/during 1999 Saturn was there. So, bad luck and hardships. Regarding situation now, he is in Ma Bhukti, and Ma is strong in WS only for four houses, 4,7,11 and 12th. If we look at 11th as gains, situation should be better these days. Ju in transit is in good place where he has 6 points, Saturn so so... but situation seems to be better. All the best, Dadhi Dear Dadhi, Let me first Congratulate you on your attempt and answer. You have a natural knack for financial astrology. You pointed out exactly with WS and Transit of Shani. I will write in more detail on this chart explaning each event in detail. Let me also congratulate you on observing the zero point in the 9th house and being quizzed on what it meant. You clearly found out that there was not delay due to Shani in this chart. This is correct. Margarita has pointed out that we check Shanis aspect on house ABC in Rasi only and Lords of LoA, LoB and LoC in Navamsa and Rashi. In any case now you know this. There is additional delay due to that 1 zero point. This delay is over and above delay due to shani which in this case shani is not causing delay. So just small delay due to 1 zero point. We check distance of Venus to Sun and not Saturn. Shani enhances the bad qualities of Venus. You have raised an interesting question on why there was child birth despite a zero in 9th. Here let me point out a few things. A zero in 9th house or 8th house shows some deficiency in those areas. Here this person has the blessings of his Guru or Father. This is a special case. Here Self is Lagna and Guru/Father is 9th house. Look at the lords of Lagna/9th lords. They are in Nav- Pancham or 5:9 relation. This can also be checked in Navamsa as Rasi and Navamsa have equal status. Here its due to this fact that the delay causing and deficiency to dissipate. So person has child birth and will find himself lucky. Now for Financial part you were right on target. Here is something more I would like to add. Shani and Guru own last 4 houses of Kal purush chart. Here their transits are very important when you are studying finanicial astrology. Here Transit points of both Shani + Guru in the place where they are transitting must be atleast 8 and more. So generally when Shani transits a house with 0 points then unless Guru transits a house with 8 bindus their total will be LESS THAN 8. This is very important when studying finance. We should practice this as there are other parts to this when will come out when we solve more and more charts. But I am glad that you picked up the problem area and very correctly pointed out why the native felt a financial crunch. As soon as Shani moved out of Aries and Guru and Shani points totaled when to more than 8 the native started to find more ease in the financial area and things have begun improving. There is more to write but these were some points I found in your analysis. Very good attempt. With more practice you can pin point the event. You nearly zeroed in on the marriage antra and were right on spotting the financial problem area and this chart was tricky for that 1 zero point which you spotted so u were on the right track. Congratz !!! Cheers !!! Ash Hello Ash and List Members, Here is my attempt... The person does not seem to be very intelligent, hence he married. Just kidding! Well actually, I think his marriage took place in the period from 10/27/1990 to 12/3/1992 when {ju, ju} was in effect. This is based on the master worksheet with the following final values. Ju 17 Ma 13 Me 13 Mo 11 Su 10 Sa 3 Ve 1 Ju is also placed in E. I used Sanjay's worksheet. There seems to be a minor defect. In sheets H1 to H12, Cells D30-J30 incorrectly add the ashtakavarga points rather than 5. Hence, ju's points turn out to be 18 rather than 17 in the sheet. The other two transit planets are Ma and Me. However, since Ma gets only 9 points for 2nd house, I do not take its effect for transit. Me gets 18 points for house 2. Hence, transit planets are Ju and Me. To narrow down the time, I used punarvasu in gemini for sun's transit, the former ruled by Ju and latter by Me. Su was transitting Gem, Punarvasu from 7/5/1990 to 7/15/1990, 1991 and 1992. Why would he marry when there were rains near Mumbai??? (Incase he did get married where he was born.) Since, Saturn causes full delay in the chart, the marriage may be likely in the last section of time. i.e. 7/6/1992 to 7/15/1992 when he was 25. Fairly ok time for Indian male marriage. For conception, we consider the first subperiod of strongest significator for childbirth, i.e. Me with 18 points. So it may have happened in {Ju, Me} dasha from 6/3/1995 to 8/27/1997. I don't know how to narrow down the time. Since the sarva points for hs3, hs6, hs10, hs11 are in straight order being 29, 31, 31, 35, the native should be doing business with success. Also, it seems that his business might be related to working at night time due to points in hs4, hs5, hs6 and hs7 being high. In 1999, {Ju, Ve} was in effect. Both have only 2 points in master worksheet for Hs2! Hence, the cash flow problem. Actually I am just guessing for this one. I don't know how else to find the answer. Well, there can be two types of defects in the above analysis, first there might be some calculation mistakes since, I recently added support for dashas and Krushna's ayanamsa to my app. And secondly there can be a lack of understanding on my part. That's it. Thanks for your patience. Regards, Manu Dear Manu, Brilliant Analysis. Here are some points 1) You have picked up the marriage antra perfectly. The marriage did happen in Jupiter antra. So Congratz !!! 2) The worksheet is proper. If a planet has more points than 5 then we add those points as that would give proper picture. Both the worksheets are proper. 3) You are right, the native is doing business. 4) You are also right about the antra of the child birth. Congratz !!! 5) Financial astrology part I have answered in more detail to Dadhi. 6) You have the worksheet and 11th is for income. Transit of Guru and Shani are very important. These should give you a proper picture. Only 1 thing I wanted to point out was the fact that there is no full delay so marriage should have occured in 2nd sector however here lagna/9th are in 5:9 so the native has blessings of Guru so first sector can give. Very nice attempt. Here are the dates 1) Marriage date : 24th November 1991. 2) First child is male, born in November 1992 (conception about feb.1992) =Jup./Jup. 3) Second child is female born in July 1996 (conception in oct/nov 1995) = Jup./Merc. 4) Native is doing business 5) Cash flow problems due to Sa + Ju transit and Antra. Margarita has done a detailed analysis and write up on this chart and once Krushnaji approves it we will try to put it up in the file section. It is a very detailed analysis. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Sateesh, Manu, Dadhi, Puneet and List Members, Sateesh has shared his chart with list members. Apr 15,1973 Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 Hounslow, England Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 Lagna using Krushna's ayanamsa - 28:56 Virgo - and Virgo rises in Navamsa too To practice financial astrology can you study his chart and just overall at antra level and say how his Shani, Venus, Sun antras were in terms of Work, Income, Job, Expenses. Hint : Look at WS and compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th (effort, income, expenses) , 6th, (job) and change of job (5th). How do you think his next antra that is about to start which is Moon will be ? Just a high level antar dasha analysis. This is to demonstrate and bring out the technique on how powerful WS is where you can see results at a glance. Hopefully Sateesh can give us feedback on your analysis directly. Cheers !!! Ash Hello Sateesh, Ash and List Members, Here is my attempt... SAV for 10th 11th and 12th are 26, 36, 26. The return you get as compared to your effort is quite high. Also, your expenses are constrained allowing you to save a lot of money. Su seems to be the important occupation planet in your chart since it is the lord of the navamsa house where 10th lord from lagna, sun as well as moon in rasi are situated in navamsa. Hence, your job might be related to position of authority which requires wisdom of approach due to Jupiter. 5th and 6th points are 29, 37. Also strength for the 5th house indicate you will change jobs frequently. hs11 strengths indicate that all planets favour a good flow of income to your pocket. Beleive me Sateesh, you seem to be blessed by Goddess Laxmi! Antras of Su, Ve Sa help you gear forward in your professional field. Antra of Sa might not be favourable for you to change jobs. Your Moon antra began since 9/9/2003 and will be till 3/2/2005 in ra mahadasha. This period will be marked with job changes for your benefit. It might also be a period when you may buy a house, or a car etc. Except for the 12th, Mo has very good strength points for all areas of life. This will be a very favourable period for you. Thanks & Regards, Manu > To practice financial astrology can you study his chart and just > overall at antra level and say how his Shani, Venus, Sun antras were > in terms of Work, Income, Job, Expenses. > > Hint : Look at WS and compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th > (effort, income, expenses) , 6th, (job) and change of job (5th). Points are in increasing order only from Sun, and are in zig-zag order from Lg and Mo, so it seems that Sateesh has some service. This seems to be so as 3rd has more points than 11th. But, this service looks like good position, possibly some authority post. He can save money, can get money easily, without much effort ( 10th, 11th, 12th are 26, 36, 26 respectively) from Mo and Lg, and 29, 37, 21 from Su. So, no problem to save money. His income is legal as 8th has low points. High SAV in the 6th indicates good reputation in society. Good job. But, since 6th lord Sa aspects 11th, and 6th, some caution is needed with possible investments (specially Ju/Sa period and later). Regarding income (11th), all planets are strong in WS, and not so strong in for 12th. That is positive in his chart. Sateesh is in Rahu period, who acts as Venus and Jupiter (Venus nakshatra and Jupiter sign). Venus is very strong in WS, and good lord (lord of 2nd and 9th) for luck and money. So, overall, Ra period should be good. Also, taking 11th house as house B, 6th as A, 3rd as C - all houses are VERY strong. Even NK Mercury is strong in WS for 11th. Money could come from wife too. All periods: Ra/Ke, Ra/Ve, Ra/Su are good. Shani period would be generally bad, as Sa is weak for all houses except 2nd and 11th. Only 2/11 prosper in Sa bhukti. Su and Ve are good, but due to weak Ve in the 10th, some problems in carrier in Ve period. > How do you think his next antra that is about to start which is Moon > will be ? Mo is strong in WS for 2,4,6,7,10 and 11th house. So overall good time for above mentioned houses. That means income, position, relationships, reputation, home and wealth. It seems that better time is during Mo antra. Ju will move to Virgo (not so excellent), but Sa to Cancer (very good). Ju has less points in Vi, but Sa more in Cn .... but Cn has high SAV points. But, when Ju moves to Libra after some time and Sa comes back from Gemini, that will be powerfull period for income..... but it is Ra/Ma period. I hope that my attempt has some sense.... All the best, Dadhi Hello List Members, Here are the chart details of my friend. Female, 20 Nov 1976, 3:34 pm. Mumbai, India. Lat: 18.55N, Long: 72.54E, DST: 0, Zone: 5hr 30mins Asc is Pis 24:04 She is unmarried and the delay in marriage is a cause of concern for her parents. A. Can you identify why there was a delay in her marriage? When will the marriage be likely and will the marriage bring happiness for her? B. Are there any combinations that indicate change of jobs, foreign travel, good income. C. Were the previous 3 years beneficial for her family? How good is the current antra? I shall myself try to analyse this chart too for Ash and others to verify. Thanks & Regards, Manu Messages Messages Help Reply | Forward | View Source | Unwrap Lines Message 5920 of 7835 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:52 pm Sateesh Chart - Further Note Dear Sateesh, Manu, Dadhi, Puneet and all, I have read your answers, but I have to rush to the airport. I shall reply in more detail later on. All are on proper track. Here I would like you all to observe the points in each antra in the Worksheet. So say for example, take Sateesh's Venus antra. In that if you observe check points gotten by Venus for 10th, 11th and 12th house. That will show you HOW MUCH EFFORT V/S INCOME V/S EXPENDITURE would be there. This is a powerful concept that one can appy to see how each antra will act. Re-Visit both the charts and check the antra and also check antra of Moon for Sateesh to make a future (and near by prediction) on how his Moon antra will be. Manu, I saw that there was slight difference in the start of Moon antra for Sateesh. Moon antra starts on 13th of Feb 2004 for Sateesh. Right now he is in the very end of Sun antra as per KAY (Krushnas Ayanamsa). Ok, got to rush... Cheers !!! Ash Hello Ash, Sateesh and all, Here's my attempt, please correct me where needed: We know that loss of job was Oct. 5 2001 during Rahu/Venus. ·Sub of 2nd lord (venus) was running so more worry is indicated ·Venus also has 17 points for 2nd house so worries would be felt more than less ·Venus is also natural samdharmi to 6th lord (Saturn) who is aspecting B, D, and E for 6th house ·Saturn is also 12L from B so no satisfaction for 6th house under its influence ·In navamsa Saturn is aspecting Venus ·Through 4/10 Venus is samdharmi to Mars (LOD for 6th) ·In worksheet Venus gives less than 12 points for 6th house – job,and 10th house –status of the person so during that period could be loss of job ·Expenses would be manageable because Venus gives higher points in WS for 12th house? 2nd and 8th house points are good, maybe he got help from unearned source i.e. from family? ·Antra of sun gives relief by escaping period of 6th lord but Sun is samdharmi to 2nd lord Ve so worries remain. In sun's sub points in 6th and 10th are good so he could get a job and his status therefore increased from being unemployed. Points for earning income from 11th are also good, points for 12th show expenditures being there also. I do not understand how 5th house plays into this. ·I think there was delay in getting the job because Saturn is aspecting houses C and D taking 6th as B, and Jupiter is aspecting E and A. This may be a trend that he has to face i.e. delay factor for job ·During moon antra there may be a change in job giving more status 6,10,and 11 remain good in WS and there also shows change of authority from low points for 5th house. Probably involving him moving from to a foreign place due to very low points for 12th in WS?? Ash and Margarita please comment,correct and add as appropriate. thanks, Puneet , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Sateesh, Manu, Dadhi, Puneet and List Members, > > Sateesh has shared his chart with list members. > > Apr 15,1973 > Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 > Hounslow, England > Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 > > Lagna using Krushna's ayanamsa - 28:56 Virgo - and Virgo rises in > Navamsa too > > To practice financial astrology can you study his chart and just > overall at antra level and say how his Shani, Venus, Sun antras were > in terms of Work, Income, Job, Expenses. > > Hint : Look at WS and compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th > (effort, income, expenses) , 6th, (job) and change of job (5th). > > How do you think his next antra that is about to start which is Moon > will be ? > > Just a high level antar dasha analysis. > > This is to demonstrate and bring out the technique on how powerful WS > is where you can see results at a glance. > > Hopefully Sateesh can give us feedback on your analysis directly. > > Cheers !!! > Ash Dear Puneet, Many thanks indeed - please see CAPS - - " pjoshi1975 " <sunnyjoshi25 Sunday, January 25, 2004 5:26 PM Re: More Practice Charts We know that loss of job was Oct. 5 2001 during Rahu/Venus. ·Sub of 2nd lord (venus) was running so more worry is indicated ·Venus also has 17 points for 2nd house so worries would be felt more than less ALL CORRECT. MUCH INCOME, BUT MUCH WORRY/TENSION TOO. ·Venus is also natural samdharmi to 6th lord (Saturn) who is aspecting B, D, and E for 6th house ·Saturn is also 12L from B so no satisfaction for 6th house under its influence ·In navamsa Saturn is aspecting Venus YES TO ALL POINTS. ·Through 4/10 Venus is samdharmi to Mars (LOD for 6th) PLEASE ELABORATE ON WHAT THIS INDICATES. ·In worksheet Venus gives less than 12 points for 6th house - job,and 10th house -status of the person so during that period could be loss of job GOOD POINT. ·Expenses would be manageable because Venus gives higher points in WS for 12th house? 2nd and 8th house points are good, maybe he got help from unearned source i.e. from family? VERY GOOD, EXPENSES WERE JUST ABOUT MANAGEABLE (I SPENT A LOT!) - HAD TO TURN TO FAMILY FOR FINANCIAL SUPPORT WHEN I CAME CLOSE TO RUNNING OUT OF MONEY. ·Antra of sun gives relief by escaping period of 6th lord but Sun is samdharmi to 2nd lord Ve so worries remain. In sun's sub points in 6th and 10th are good so he could get a job and his status therefore increased from being unemployed. YES - AS PER MY REPLIES TO MANU AND DADHI, THIS WAS ATTAINED RIGHT AT END OF LAST SECTOR OF SUN - ASH MAY HAVE EXPLAINED WHY JOB WAS DELAYED TO LAST SECTOR - IF NOT, HE CAN TELL YOU :-) . Points for earning income from 11th are also good, points for 12th show expenditures being there also. I do not understand how 5th house plays into this. MOST INCOME THROUGHOUT SUN HAS BEEN THROUGH SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS (SUN IS IN 8TH) - I HAVE ALSO SPENT WHERE I COULD ON LUXURIES, ETC. - ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY FAR LESS SO THAN THE AMOUNT I COULD SPEND ON LUXURIES IN VENUS ANTRA (AS I WAS IN GREAT JOBS IN ITS FIRST 2 SECTORS). ·I think there was delay in getting the job because Saturn is aspecting houses C and D taking 6th as B, EXCELLENT - YES, DELAY TO LAST 1/3RD WAS DUE SATURN ON B,C,D FOR 6TH. and Jupiter is aspecting E and A. WHAT IS RELEVANCE OF JUPITER HERE? JUPITER CONTRIBUTED TO DELAY? This may be a trend that he has to face i.e. delay factor for job OK. ·During moon antra there may be a change in job giving more status 6,10,and 11 remain good in WS and there also shows change of authority from low points for 5th house. Probably involving him moving from to a foreign place due to very low points for 12th in WS?? THIS NEW EMPLOYER IS STRONGLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIGGEST AIRLINES - AND I AM BASED IN AIRPORT - PERHAPS IF I PROGRESS IN THE COMPANY, I MAY GET TO USE THE LOW POINTS MOON GIVES FOR 12TH HOUSE. I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED. Ash and Margarita please comment,correct and add as appropriate. thanks, Puneet GREAT WORK. Best - Sateesh. Dear Ash and Puneet, Please see my feedback in ** ** . - " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 Monday, January 26, 2004 4:30 PM Re: More Practice Charts Dear Puneet, Here are my answers in CAPS. Sateesh can clarify. Very nice attempt. Cheers !!! Ash , " pjoshi1975 " <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > We know that loss of job was Oct. 5 2001 during Rahu/Venus. ·Sub of 2nd lord (venus) was running so more worry is indicated ASH : TRUE. ** Yes. ** > ·Venus also has 17 points for 2nd house so worries would be felt more than less ASH : YES. ** Correct. ** ASH : IN THE WORKSHEET POINTS OF 12TH ARE MORE THAN 11TH AND 10TH ARE LESS THAN 11TH. VENUS IS GETTING 10 FOR 10TH HOUSE, 15 FOR 11TH AND 18 FOR 12TH HOUSE. STUDYING THE STATUS OF VENUS AND VENUS IS LOE FOR 12TH HOUSE. SO IT WILL GIVE LUXURIES, TRAVEL, MORE EXPENDITURE. CHECK WHERE IT HAS LESS POINTS. ** Yes, it gave all these things. bought new car, foreign travel with free plane tickets, spending money on video games, etc. ** ASH : VERY NICE ANALYSIS. ITS ALSO HOUSE OF CROWN. HERE SUN HAS 12 POINTS SO CAN GO EITHER WAY. SUN IS ALSO IN 8TH HOUSE WITH LOW BINDUS SO IT CONTROLS AND INFLUENCES 11TH HOUSE. LAGNA/SUN/MOON AND THEIR 10TH LORDS FROM THEM ARE ALL IN NAVAMSA OF SUN SO NATIVE IS MORE INCLINDED OR ATTRACTED TOWARDS EITHER GOVERNMENT JOBS OR JOBS WITH HIGH AUTHORITY. ** Correct on all points. Most of my employment has been either in Government jobs, or in Airlines/Airports/national Telecoms - and in the U.K., the airlines/airports/telecoms are now all privatised sectors, BUT run very much in the way Government sector does - since they ALL used to be Government controlled. ** ASH : FOR DELAY, WE CHECK SHANIS ASPECT ON HOUSE ABC IN RASI AND LOA, LOB AND LOC IN RASHI AND NAVAMSA. IF ALL 3 ARE AFFECTED THEN FULL DELAY. HERE KEEP 6TH AS B AND A BECOMES LAGNA AND C BECOMES 10TH. LOA AND LOC ARE BOTH MERCURY AND LOB IS SHANI HIMSELF. MERCURY IS ASPECTED BY SHANI. SO FULL DELAY. SO JOB WILL COME IN LAST 1/3RD SECTOR OF SUN ANTRA. ** Yes, that is correct. Right at end of last 1/3rd. ** > ·During moon antra there may be a change in job giving more status 6,10,and 11 remain good in WS and there also shows change of authority from low points for 5th house. Probably involving him moving from to a foreign place due to very low points for 12th in WS?? ASH : VERY NICE. ALSO CHECK POINTS OF SUN FOR 4TH HOUSE. HERE FOR 4TH HOUSE ITS HAVING MORE POINTS AND MOON IS IN HOUSE D WITH MORE POINTS FOR 4TH AS B AND ALSO FOR 8TH HOUSE ITS IN HOUSE E WITH MORE BINDUS SO BETTER RESULTS FOR THESE HOUSES. ** Does this imply I will be happier staying in this country (4th) in Moon Antra, and less happy (low 12th points for Moon) if I go overseas (in the Moon Antra)? ** Many thanks - Sat. Dear Sanjay, I have not found any E mail, in October. Any how, I remember some thing, It may be with respect to the ascendent. If one ascendent gives 36:22:30:and 33 in 3:6:10:and 11 house then the person can be in good post. Here his 3rd house is hightest, so his dreams are very high, Sixth is social status is only 22, Work is 30 and income is 33. More income is possible only when the person is in authority and responsibility. For second case 28:29:32:31, Means doing hard work and getting less return. The points in 10th house are more then in 11th house. krushna , " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg@l...> wrote: > Respected Krushnaji, > > This is in one of your emails in October where you were looking at > rectifying a chart and trying to choose between Capricorn or Sagittarius > ascendants. The following two options were coming and you had given your > interpretation. > > > >In one of your messages, you had interpreted the points in this way: > > > > > >36:22:30:33 ->The person should be in service, but should have some > > >authority and should have somewhat sophisticated work. > > > > > >28:29:32:31 -> This indicates hard work and less income compared to work > > >(more work by hand than head). > > > > > I just wanted to know the reasoning behind this. > > Kind regards > Sanjay Dear Sanjay, Plerase read my earlier mail, I have given it for general nature, it means this can be used for each and every house. Again I am giving it. wHEN THE POINTS IN D,B,C,AND E ARE IN INCREASING ORDER, THE RESULT OF HOUSE B IS MUCH GRACEFUL. If we take the case of marriage if points in 4th, 7th, 11th and 12th are in increasing order, we can say a very happy marriage life. Now a days it is very difficult to find such case, because now life is a adjustment. krushna Respected Peterji, Pranam, I appreciate the hard work you are doing to learn this system. I will put my comments in Capital and in bracket near to the point. krushna > " Peter Sutcliffe " <petermay@p...> > > >Re: Complete analysis >Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:11:41 +1000 > >Respected Krushna, >I have been trying to catch up with all the correspondance on Ron's chart >but it comes in quicker than I can keep up with. >I will not give the answers to the exercise set earlier although I have >done >it. The answers ahve been given several times already and it seems >pointless >just to repeat them. I have however been looking at the the analysis of >Ron's chart for his marriage, the separation, and the birth of the >children. >My reasoniong does not seem to be exactly the same as the others so perhaps >you could look at it and tell me if it is acceptable. I have also added a >couple of questions at the end. >Ron's Marriage. House 7 = B >Using house 7 as B I got Ju=30 ( CORRECT, BUT AFTER CONSIDERING AGAIN THE >SIGHT OF 12TH LORD FROM HOUSE B I.E. SATURN IT COMES TO 23) points Venus >23, Mercury 19 (IT SHOULD BE 7 AFTER CONSIDERING THE POINTS GAINED BY THE >SIGHT OF SATURN BEING 12TH LORD FROM HOUSE B ) and Mars 18(IT SHOULD BE 23, >YOU MAY NOT HAVE CONSIDERED THE SIGHT OF JUPITER). >Me and Venus both aspect house B and are disqualified but Ju and Mars are >both suitable for the marriage.( HERE JUPITER IS WITH 23, MARS WITH 23, >VENUS WITH 23, SUN WITH 19, MOON WITH 18, SATURN WITH 9 AND MERCURY WITH 7 >ONLY. HERE MARS IS MORE EAGER TO GIVE THE MARRIAGE. ) Looking first at the >sub-periond of Ju I >find the first to be at age 10 and obviously too early, the second sub is >not then until the age of 43 which even by western standards is to delayed >in spite of the fact that Ju is aspected by Sa. Looking at Mars the first >sub is at age 6 ( too earlt ) and the next is from 8th Feb 1960 until 14th >Jan 1960, this would make him 24/25 years of age which is very suitable. I >would there expect the marriage to be peformed in this sub-period. It was >in >fact peformed 7th Oct 1960. >Separation. House 6 = B (THIS WAS NOT A SEPERATION, TEMP LIVING AT >DIFFERENT PLACES (VIYOG) THE MERCURY GIVES ONLY 7 POINTS, SO IT HAVE >SEPRATED THEM MERCURY = KETU = RAHU.) Although someone else suggested >using 2nd house for this event I felt that >the 6th would be better as it is 12th to the 7th indication loss of long >term relationship. I did in fact look at the 2nd house also and although >the >actual points differed the ranking of the planets in points order was >identical for both houses. For house 6 the points were Ju=42, Sa=31,Me=26. >Ju is disqualified as it aspects house C. Rahu can act as sandharmi to Ju >and so I would expect Ra sub to indicate the separation. As Ra is sandharmi >to Ju which is the most powerful planet on the chart I would expect it to >give protection to the marriage and thus the separation is not permanent. >I am not happy about this one as although the separation was not long it >was >definately a malefic event and as such I am not sure whether I should have >been using the highest point scorer or the lowest. >Birth of Children House 5 = B >Using house 5 as B the points were Ju=40, Sa = 25, Venus =24, Me = 24. With >Ju having maximum points at 40 and also being the main Karaka for children >this was the obvious choice however it is disqualified due to an aspect top >house A. Both Ra and Venus can act as sandharmi to Ju so this is where I >would look first. The first sub after the marriage is that of Ra and as >this >is the most likely time for child birth (THE LORD OF HOUSE D AND E HERE ARE >MERCURY AND VENUS, AND MERCURY IS REPRESENTED BY RAHU AND KETU, THE >CONCEPTION IS IN THIS PERIOD ONLY, AND OR THE POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR) I >would expect the first child to be >born in this sub which was from 14th Jan 1961 to 9th June 1963. The first >daughter was actually born 8th Feb 1962. >The first son was actually born in a Sa sub-period and I could find >nothing >to tie in this with the birth of a child particularly as Sa is disqualifed >by aspecting house C. The 2nd son was born in a Venus sub and as Venus is >sandharmi to Ju this could be expected. This particular sub is also the >first suitable sub-period after the birth of the 2nd child so again it is >quite suitable. ( FOR CONSIDERING THE CHILDREN WE MUST TAKE IT AS >CONCEPTION, ACTUAL BIRTH IS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED. HERE ALL THE THREE ARE IN >LINE WITH THE SYSTEM) > >Comments on the above would be appreciated Mr Krushna and I have one >question. Could you please give me a fuller explanation regarding Ra/ Ke >acting as sandharmi. Several people said that Ra would be sandharmi to Ju >and I take it that this was because Ra was in Sagittarius which is ruled by >Ju. You stated that Ke represented Me, I take it that this is because it is >in Gemini which is ruled by Mercury. I also think that Ra would be >sandharmi >to Ve because they are in the same sign and house in the navamsa and that >Ra could be sandharmi to Ke as Ke is the a constellation ruled by Ra ( >Ardra).( CORRECT) >(I HOPE THIS WILL CLEAR ALL THE POINTS. ) >Yours trespectfully, >Peter >I will now continue to try and catch up on all the other mail over >Chrismas. >THANKS KRUSHNA > Respected Krushnaji, I have been looking at some charts of people I know and have been trying to see if they have the increasing points for D,B,C and E in some house. I checked about 15 charts and found that many of these have these points in at least some charts. I am giving some details of the persons and I would be grateful if you can inform me how to interpret this. 1. Male, 35 years old, Chief Executive of a small factory - His 8th house has 23:24:28:38 in D:B:C:E. His 6th house has 38:26:30:37. Now the 6th points are not in ascending order but these are ascending for B:C:E. 2. Male, 33 years old, started his own export trading business 2 years ago and is fairly successful - His 5th house has 21:23:27:33 and 6th house has 33:33:33:39. 3. Male 27 years, working as sales manager in an international company, doing well in his job - His 10th house has 27:29:28:40 which is not in ascending order but is generally increasing. 4. Male, 40 years, professional with his own very successful practice - His 1st house has 28:29:30:46 and 12th house has 18:24:30:30. Please advise if the same points in the last two house qualify as increasing points. 5. Male 45 years old, industrialist with several factories - His 11th house has 23:24:26:35. However, his 6th house points are not in ascending order. 6. Male 33 years, successful company executive - His 6th house has 28:31:35:43 points. Why is he not a successful businessman? 7. Male child 12 years with a history of epilepsy and learning difficulties - His 4th house has 25:27:28:28 and his 5th 26:28:28:36. Both houses are related with education, an area in which he has problems. 8. Female, 36, Reiki Master, very high spiritual energy level - Her 9th house has 28:30:28:35 which is not in strict ascending order. Her 10th house has 20:26:35:35 but she does not have a job or business. Your explanations of all these cases would be highly appreciated. Kind regards Sanjay Dear Sanjay, We should take 3:6:10:11 from 'A', which gives the idea of the results for karkatva of 'A'. the result is connected to house 'C'. For being a successful businessman 3:6:10:and 11 th should be in increaseing order from ascendent and or Moon. This also gives good authority, good position of authority, or ownership, with some persons working under him. Please note that if a person gets good points for a perticular house, then he have to loose some thing. He can get his success at the cost of some other house. For Example if a person have points in 4th house, 7th house, 11th house, and 12th house in increaseing order, then we can say he is getting good marital life. At the same time his expenditure is more then his income. He enjoys the life, but with debt. Please check how you selected the houses. krushna Respected Krushnaji, I selected the houses as 3:6:10:11 from A. For example, when I mention that a person has increasing points for the 11th house, I take 6th house as A and then take the points of D(8th), B(11th), C(3rd), and E(4th). Could you please give me the explanations for the 8 cases cited by me? Kind regards Sanjay ----- Original Dear Sanjay, Answer in Capital AND NOTE AT THE BOTTOM. > >I have been looking at some charts of people I know and have been trying >to > >see if they have the increasing points for D,B,C and E in some house. I > >checked about 15 charts and found that many of these have these points in > >at > >least some charts. I am giving some details of the persons and I would be > >grateful if you can inform me how to interpret this. > > > >1. Male, 35 years old, Chief Executive of a small factory - His 8th house > >has 23:24:28:38 in D:B:C:E. IT MEANS HE IS HAVING GOOD COURAGE. DONT HAVE >GOOD MANAGEMENT, GOES IN OPTIMISTIC CONDITION, EARNING IS GOOD. IF HE WOULD >HAVE SERVED HE WOULD HAVE GOT MORE MONEY. HE MUST GET GOOD RESULT FOR 8TH >HOUSE. HE CAN NOT BE HAPPY COMPAIRED TO IF HE WOULD BE IN SERVICE. ASK HIM. His 6th house has 38:26:30:37. Now the 6th > >points are not in ascending order but these are ascending for B:C:E. THE SAME THING MUST BE CHECKED FROM MOON ALSO. ( MOON CHART, KEEP THE POINTS IN THE SAME WAY) > > 2. Male, 33 years old, started his own export trading business 2 years > >ago > >and is fairly successful - His 5th house has 21:23:27:33 and 6th house >has > >33:33:33:39. IT IS GOOD FOR OWN BUSINESS. THERE IS NO DEVIATION IN THE >POINTS. > > >3. Male 27 years, working as sales manager in an international company, > >doing well in his job - His 10th house has 27:29:28:40 which is not in > >ascending order but is generally increasing. THIS CAN GIVE HIM A GOOD >POST WITH AUTHORITY. > > > >4. Male, 40 years, professional with his own very successful practice - >His > >1st house has 28:29:30:46 GOOD ATRACTIVE PERSONALITY, CAN IMPRESS OTHERS, >AND HAVE GOOD CONVINCING POWER and 12th house has 18:24:30:30. Please >advise if > >the same points in the last two house qualify as increasing points.HERE >AGAIN NO DEVIATION. EQUAL POINTS MEANS NO DEVIATION iF WE PLOT A GRAPH IT >SHOULD NOT GO DOWN FOR GOD RESULT. > > >5. Male 45 years old, industrialist with several factories - His 11th >house > >has 23:24:26:35. However, his 6th house points are not in ascending >order. CHECK FROM MOON, HE MUST KEEP CHECK ON INVESTMENTS, OPTIMISTIC >CONDITION WILL MAKE HIM SUFFER IN THE END. LASTLY HE MAY HAVE TO LOOSE >MORE. > > > >6. Male 33 years, successful company executive - His 6th house has > >28:31:35:43 points. Why is he not a successful businessman? RESULT CAN BE >EITHER ON HIGHER POST OR OWN BUSINESS. BEING AN EXECUTIVE MUST HAVE MORE >SUBORDINATE. > > >7. Male child 12 years with a history of epilepsy and learning > >difficulties - His 4th house has 25:27:28:28 HE WILL HAVE GOOD KNOWEDGE >AND MUST BE GETTING MUCH SUPPORT AND LOVE FROM FAMILY and his 5th >26:28:28:36. Both > >houses are related with education, FOR DEGREE 9TH HOUSE an area in which >he has problems. > > >8. Female, 36, Reiki Master, very high spiritual energy level - Her 9th > >house has 28:30:28:35 which is not in strict ascending order. Her 10th > >house > >has 20:26:35:35 but she does not have a job or business. 10TH HOUSE IS >DEBILATED. 6TH HOUSE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. > > > >Your explanations of all these cases would be highly appreciated. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > NOW DEAR SANJAY, THIS IS ONE OF THE REQUIRMENT FOR HAVING GOOD >RESULT, IT ALONE CANNOT CONTROL THE THING. STATUS OF KARAK PLANET, LORD OF >D AND E , EFFECT OF 12TH LORD FROM 'B', NO ZERO POINTS BY ANY PLANET IN ANY >HOUSE, MAXIMUM PLANETS WITH LESS POINTS, SO BENEFIC SIGHT EFFECT, 4:10 >RELATION SHIP, YOGKARAK (ONE PLANET HAVING LORDSHIP OF 'A' AND 'B') eX MARS >FOR CANCER ETC. THEN THIS ASCENDING ORDER CAN GIVE GOOD RESULT. fROM THE >ABOVE DATUM LEVEL IS FIXED, THEN HOW MUCH ABOVE ONE CAN REACH CAN BE SEEN. >ALL THE PLANETS MUST HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS AS A SIGNIFICATOR FOR SUCH >HOUSE. THEN THE INCREASEING ORDER OF THE POINTS IN 3:6:10:11 WILL GIVE GOOD >RESULT, AND PERSON WILL NOT FACE ANY DIFFICULTY FOR THAT HOUSE. KRUSHNA > Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for your reply. So it means that this is just one of the things to be looked at and must be balanced with other influences. Also, we should see the houses both from ascendant and Moon. But will that not lead to more confusion? Or you mean that we should see the points of DBCE from both ascendant and the Moon? You had promised earlier that you would be sending us a list of which houses are taken as house B for which matter. I hope you are going to send this soon. Kind regards Sanjay Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for your reply. So it means that this is just one of the things to be looked at and must be balanced with other influences. Also, we should see the houses both from ascendant and Moon. But will that not lead to more confusion? Or you mean that we should see the points of DBCE from both ascendant and the Moon? You had promised earlier that you would be sending us a list of which houses are taken as house B for which matter. I hope you are going to send this soon. Kind regards Sanjay Respected Krushnaji, Last week you had posted a chart for study where a person died early. Now that we know that the person has died, we can justify. However, if we were looking at the chart blindly without having this information, then there are many puzzles. In the worksheet for 8th house, all planets are strong. The natural karak Mercury and the functional karak Jupiter both have more than 12 points. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus are all combust but the combustion is not within 3 degrees. Even if Saturn is the strongest significator, there were 4 sub periods before this so why should he have died in this one? The only connection with 12th lord is Moon being in D but it has 6 points so this is not so bad. You also mentioned that luminaries are not bad as 12th house lords. In the worksheet for the 7th house, the natural and functional karakas Venus and Saturn and strong and not spoiled due to any aspect or association with the 12th lord from 7. Venus is combust but is more than 3 degrees from the Sun so does not lose its karaktva. I thought the person gets married in the sub period of the significator with low points only if the karak is spoiled or if the 12th house lord casts serious bad aspects. In this case, it only aspects A. So why did the person get married in the sub of the 12th lord. I thought you had said that if the 12th lord has less points, it is better. In this case, it did not matter. So from what I see, we can explain the problems after these happen but we can't predict these from the chart. Please advise how these events could be predicted with more surety from the chart. Kind regards Sanjay Dear Sanjay, Yes, You are here, One of my prediction just came true. That is only you and you will ask such questions. I was aspecting this from you. Any how I will explain you all your quarries. For your information all my predictions for this person came true, except the date of his death found by me. He died six months earlier. My date was ahead by six months. To day is too late, Tomarrow I will explain the details, and will creat more questions for you. Cool Down for the time being. krushna Respected Krushna, I've gone again trough the worksheets of my own chart to find out how it can be explained that I married (I mean really married) during the period of Jupiter with only 3 points, the lowest of all. (27th of june 1964) In the worksheet points of Jupiter are very irregular and jump from 19 to minus 3 Jupiter is also the lord of the 12th from B. Lord of asc, Moon and Sun are in 6/8 relationship with the lord of the 7th. According to one of your remarks, when someone marries in the in a period of a weak planet the marriage breaks up later. Well, I'm still married to the same man and that since 36 years and without major ups and downs. Of course we don't agree everytime on everything but I would find life extremely boring if this was the case. Do you have any suggestion where or how to look ? Many thanks Margarita Dear Margarita, The results of the vedic astrology are based on the indian customs, and that too for olden age. At that time in India, Womens were not having any authority. They were not able to take any decision on their own account. All the decisions were taken by the male. Still in India position is not much changed. As on today also, 90% of the populatiom might be following the old customs. The vedic astrology laws are according to the same situation. Please go through the following example: 1. The Mars if it is in 12th, 1st, 4th 7th or 8th house if found in the chart the chart is called as MANGALIC. For that Similar person should be selected. Means the effect of the Mars should be nuetralised by the planetary combinations in chart of the spouse. It means the person having Mars in above places should be married with a person haveing Planetary combinations which nuetralises the effect. This means if the combination in two charts are nuetralised the malefic effect, there will not be any problem. 2. Apart from this if the planetary friendshp if in two charts is powerful there will not be any dispute which may go to the extreme end. I think if you if you overlape your husband's chart on your chart, then you may find that either his Saturn or Rahu is aspecting your Venus. Similarly his Mars must be aspecting your Venus. The Sun in his chart must be aspecting your Moon, or must be in same sign. These combinations give good friendship. This phenomenon over shedes the other malefic yoga of the chart, concerned with the marriage. In friendship person overlooks the drawbacks of his friends. The person is accepted with his deficiencies. No dispute arises on that account. In india the marriage is a tie between two persons. It brings limitation on both the persons, in behavier. Some restrictions are to be followed. In western culture it may be called as friendship tie, which may not put any restriction. So no disputes. While coming in contact with persons from Western culture, Knowing some informations, I came to the conclusion that the Marriage for the persons should be studied from fifth and 12th house, considering them as house 'B'. If such study is made for your chart, the complete scene changes. Jupiter becames more eager to give such relations. Lastly when for last 36 years you are in married life with the same person, with out any dispute, means you have good blessings from your ancestors, that you are enjoying. krushna Respected Krusshna, Thank you soo much for this long and elaborate answer. Indeed my husband's Saturn aspects my Venus His Mars is in the same house as my Venus His Sun is in the same sign as mine Our Moons have a 3/11 relationship I will look at this 5th and 12th house as B for marriage in the future because I understand the cultural differences you mentioned. Thanks once more Best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, Your husband and you have very good planetary relationship, which gives very good relations. It gives adjustment from both side, and both needs each other. Such couples should be taken as exceptions to all laws. krushna Respected Krushna, This is the chart of a person who has no children I tried to understand why female born 23 of june 1952 at 03.30 hours, zone -1 lat 7E29 Long 48N32 asc 23°26 taurus Sun 9°22 gemini - 3 bindus Moon 17°38 gemini - 3 bindus Mars 10°03 Libra - 4 bindus Mercury 25°06 gemini - bindus Jupiter 20°05 aries 6 bindus Venus 8°52 gemini 5 bindus Saturn 16°08 virgo 3 bindus By taking the 5th house (virgo) as B the Sun becomes the 12th lord and influences other plantes. BUT Sun canot take this negative signification of 12th lord. I feel Saturn's presence in the 5th is not a sufficient reason to deny children If I think about conception I can look at the 12th as B and there Jupiter as 12th lord is of course a restricting influence. But conception could have happend in other sub periods. If I look at the 9th house as B, Jupiter becomes again lord of the 12th from B and I have the same question This person said she didn't want any children. So where do I situate that ? Does your system explain the possibility of having or not having children, and/or also the possibility of not wanting any. By looking at her chart I have the feeling that she is too involved with herself to think about having children, but this has nothing to do with strenght of planets in worksheet. Could you comment on this chart please Many thanks Margarita Dear Margarita, Regarding no childern: With the given data, the ascendent is Gemini. Even If the DST considered it remain same. My Ayannansha came as 22:10:16, as per my computer. You have given Taurus ascendent. Please check the same. All other planets are within reasonable limit. The Moon ( lord of house D, gives zero in 12th house (A) and Saturn gives zero in 5th house (B). Lord of house C is situated in 12th from B. The F.Karak planet Venus, is in Ararda, which spoils it. and It is with in 3 degrees from Sun. So the F. Karak looses its karakatva. Zero Points due to Saturn in 5th house and zero points due to Moon in 12th house indicates no child. The Natural karak Jupiter is in the sight of Sixth lord ( of the chart), Mars, and also it is situated in the sign of mars. All these clealy indicates no child. krushna Respected Krushna, Thanks for answering my question. I understand perfectly the reasoning. The only problem is the asc. At that given time and place the Sun is far from up because it's if fact only 02h30 in the morning. Even if it's the longest day of the year in these latitudes, it's still night. I tried three different programs and with the same ayanamsa I obtain 23° Taurus. So the only possible error must be that the birthtime is not correct otherwise this problem cannot be explained. Thanks anyway for looking at the problem Best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, The Sun rise for the place is 2:34:34 am and sun set is 06:29:40 pm for the day. the Gemini ascendent starts at 1:54:57 am and ends 04:14:01. I think this will clear the matter. krushna Dear Anil Kedia, The stock market is based on the Government policy, and over all situation. The general trend of the stock market depends on the transit of the planets and finding the total points acquired by the planets in sarvastak. For India you can use the chart for 15th Aug 1947, time 00:01 am Delhi. Find the points for each day, as per the planetary position,Make the total. This way you can find points for all the days of the year. Then you can plot it on graph, so deviations or upgradation can be easily find out. This can give the trend of the market. It can give only 70% reliabilty for stock market. But indicates the overall situation of the country in very good manner. Points going instantaneously high indicates some good decision taken by or action taken by the government. Some times the action is delayed by some hours. krushna Respected Krushna, In following chart I just wondered if the person is not going to face some health and other problems in the coming years male born 18 august 1953 at 07h10 zone -1 makes 06h10 G.M.T. long 3E14 lat 51N13 ayanamsa 22:11:43 asc 18°03 leo - Sun 2°48 leo -/ Moon 7°37 scorpio -/ mars 20°18 cancer -/ mercury 15°08 cancer -/ jupiter 29°16 taurus -/ venus 24°01 gemini -/ saturn 0°45 libra -/ rahu 10°51 capricorn. As I got most of past events right(which is never difficult) I'm just wondering that his Venus dasha doesn't look so good. Venus is lord of the 3th which is house A for the 8th Jupiter becomes the 12th lord considering the 9th and the 6th as house B and Jupiter has 6 points, scoring -1 for the second house, the house of family and income; he also aspects the 6th of job where he gets 7 points. So I was thinking that Jupiter sub could bring some problems about income and job. In the 10th he is of course strong but his aspects are not. Saturn bhukti seems not happy for the 5th house (as B) because Saturn as lord of the 6th he aspects houses A B and C Mercury bukhti is not favourable because it's lord of the 2nd house Kethu bukti cannot bring much change because it is samdharmi to Moon who is very weak in the worksheet because of Jupiter's aspect. Kethu is also samdharmi to Saturn who is lord of the 6th and to Mercury through conjonction. Perhaps Mars who is very strong can bring some help ? But Mars is samdharmi to Moon and exchanges house with her ? I always get interesting answers and it helps me to reason more along your lines but I feel I have still a long way to go. If I'm not taking up too much of your time, I should appreciate your comments Many thanks and best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, You have written zone -1, I think it means GMT -1 , But from the calculations it seems you have taken it as day saving time(DST). So I have taken it in the same way. Your reading is very correct. I will add some more for your study, which may be helpful. 1. His Saturn is aspecting Mercury ( lord of A, and C for marriage) and Saturn it self is the lord of B, more over Saturn gives zero in 12th house, this indicates delayed marriage. Lord of asc, and 7th from it is in 3:11 , from Moon 2:12, from Venus 3:11. Means marrital life should be based on adjustment. 2. Points in 3:6:10 and 11th house are 26:28:36:28 indicates Service, and more responsibility compared to earning. From Moon 3:6:10:11 are 28:34:28:and 28 , indicates same. 3. Moon in fourth house in scorpio with 4 points indicates harse talk, but adjustive nature. 4. The ascendent , Moon and Sun in Navamansha, Drekkana, and Trishma chart no one is in the sign ruled by Saturn, indicates average brilliency. 5. Mars is getting power due to saturn in the fourth place, so mars becomes powerful. So result for 11th, 12th, 4th, 9th, 10th 2nd, and 1st house can be experienced in the sub of Saturn and Mars. Mars being the lord of house D, but gets power due to Saturn lord og 12th house from B, will not give good result for 7th house. 6. Saturn lord of 6th situated in 3rd house and having Zero in the 10th house from it, indicates some lungs problem, or similar troublein Saturn Sub. He might be having some problems regarding piles. 7. Current period will obstruct in personality developement and social status, and also for 9th house. 8. Jupiter sub period which is up to April 2003, will be helpful in eternal developement, He must be suggested to eat less spicy food. The Saturns travel in 12th house will be creating some worries, and at the same time he will have Mercury Sub. krushana Dear Members, Solving the blind analysis for any chart, for the event happen on any perticulat date. One should adopt following procedure, I think with a little practice, one can find reach to the perfection. 1. Cast the chart, for the person using his D.O.B, place of birth and time, using KRUSHNA'S AYANANSHA ONLY. This is more important. Result using this ayanansha are more correct. I recommond this ayanansha for any system, for better result. 2. Find the Vishontary Dasha, and Sub Dasha 3. Find out Main period lord and Sub period lord on the date of the event. 4. Find which houses are having lordship of main period lord, also find its samdharmi. The result is generally linked with the karkatva of the main period lord or its samdharmi. It can represent the house where it is situated. 5. Find the house/s the sub period lord rules, and the house where it is situated. The sub period lord generally gives the results of 4th or 8th house from its house or 4th or 8th house from its situation. If the samdharmi planet is aspecting any of the house A,B, C, so it can represents the samdharmi. ( this is going reverse way, As we say if any planet aspects houseA,B,or C then it's samdharmi will give the result) 6. We can find all the houses, for which the sub lord can give the result, and its karkatva related to the main lord. For Example if we take the case given by Exercise 5, or ABA 1 ( name given by Mr Ron) We can find that the main period was of Rahu, and Sub period was of Moon. Now Rahu is situated in 9th house, and represents Mars and Saturn. Mars is ruler of 2nd and 9th house. and Saturn is lord of 11th and 12th house. The Moon is sub lord and can can be said to give the result for the house 'B' are 8th, 12th, 2nd, and 6th house. For 8th house karkatva goes to Venus, for 12th house karak is Mercury, For 2nd the karkatva goes to Mars or Rahu, and for 6th house karak is Jupiter. The main period lord represents Mars so only 2nd house. The 2nd house represents the family, death of the husband etc. Now considering Family matter, Moon is weak significator, and also for the longevity of husband. Studying other factors, Natural Karak of marriage is Venus and is in krittika, spoils the marital happiness. It's situation in 2nd also bad. Mercury is more powerful for marriage, as it gets points from Saturn being in fourth house. But it has to do nothing with the current period. So it can be confirmed that in moon sub period is bad for the longevity of the husband. so we can say depart from her husband or demise of her husband. Similar procedure can be followed for solving any blind chart. krushna Respected Krushna, I try to find out when exactly this person is going to move. I mean by that a big move because he is going to Australia. So I thought at taking the 4th as B. The only thing which seems evident is that he is going to move before his moon subperiod starts in august but to pick out the right moment is difficult His tob is 04 april 1969 at 16h35 in Bujumbura Burundi lat 03S23 long 29E22. I'm just curious because different plantes can give the results although it is clear that it will happen in the sun sub; but I don't know where the Sun has to transit to make it happen. Thanks for looking into that if you have time Best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, I have taken the time zone GMT + 2 hours due to long 29:22. I think it should be correct. You said 'moving' it means migrating to australiya with his family, or going alone. If the action is of permanant nature then 3rd house should be treated as 'B'. If it is temparay shifting then 9th house and if it is only for travelling 12th house. In any case for finding the date of the event, the transit of sun should be in powerful significators ( Sign and constellation). krushna Dear Amitabh, House B is the house under focus. For example if you are timing marriage then the house to time marriage from is 7th house. So you consider 7th house as B. We call 7th house as " House B " . Now Karak sthan for Marriage is 8th from 7th house or HOUSE B and that is denoted by HOUSE A. So that becomes 2nd house. The result or phalit sthan is called HOUSE C and that is 5th house from House B. House D and E are called Samrudhi sthan and are upchaya houses. House D is 10th house from House B so in our case for timing marriage House D would become 4th house and House E is 6th from House B so that is 12th house. So here I summarise. First find out the house or the event that you want to time. As per Vedic Astrolgy for each event there is a House. Choose that house and call that HOUSE B. Now once HOUSE B is fixed... the event and House B depend on other houses which being A,C,D and E. These Houses are House A = 8th From reference of House B. House B = House under Focus House C = 5th From reference of House B. House D = 10th From reference of House B. House E = 6th From reference of House B. I hope the terminology is clear. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Samina, I casted the chart with the data, You have said that the time is approimate. Based on the event of his first marriage, I think he may have been born earlier than the time given. Marriage in Shani antra seems proper and also the seperation and divorse are in line in Mercury antra. First lets study the basic indication in the chart. I am taking the chart with Leo Lagna. Krushnaji and Margarita may feel free to correct me. Here are some laws that can be seen from the chart : 1) With Krushnas Ayanamsa I am getting Guru at 0Li10 so its position in Rashi and Navamsa is in Libra. This spoils Guru. 2) 6th lord is in 4th house. 3) Lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8, Moon and 7th lord are in 2:12 and Sun and 7th lords are in 4:10. Other Aspects - Profession 4) 3:6:10 points are rising and can show that the person is very independent in nature. 5) 10th lords from lagna/sun/moon are in navamsa of sun, guru, guru. So the native might be in more advisory position or management or teaching position in a graphics designing firm. 6) Lagna/Sun/Moon are in more sectors of Mercury and Venus. Timing of Events. The only event given is that the native married on 4th November 1986 and divorsed in less than 3 years. With Leo lagna I am getting full delay. After the delay Shan i antra is running. Shani has lowest points for 7th house. So person will marry during that time and as per the laws given, when an event happens in lowest points it will break during planet with highest points or LoD or LoE. So when Ketu antra kicked it and Ketu is in sign of Mars and in nakshtra of Ketu so Ketu is SD to Mars who is LoD. So more possibilities of breaking of marriage during Ketu antra. Mars also has the highest points for 7th house. So BASED ON THIS ONLY EVENT the timing is matching as per the system. I am not going in further to zoom into the proper sector as 1 event is not enough for it. Krushnaji and Margarita and others more senior may add or correct me. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " saminamalik50 " <saminamalik50@h...> wrote: > DOB 12 July 1958 > Place Lahore.Pakistan.Time approx 10.05 am > Male,by profession a graphic designer. > > He married on 4Nov 1986 and divorced his wife after a little less > than 3 years.{date not well known}Has a boy from this wife. > He has his Jupiter in Libra which is the only reason for a unhappy > married life in his chart. > > He again married after a few years and is pulling on well with his > second wife.Has one boy and 2 girls from his second wife. > > WHAT I AM TRYING TO LOOK FOR: > His first wife complained and he confessed that he has no interest in > sex which was the basic reason for divorce.{he usually used to stay > away for weeks from home inspite of the fact that he was in the same > town} > > Can any senior member help diagnose this chart for learning point of > view. > > RGds These days I am in a fix,trying to use the benifits of astrology. Krushna Jee and senior members may please give a guideline. DOB 18th Nov 1979 Place Kasur Pakistan Time 2.30Pm 74.28 E 31.07 N Guru Krushna system shows the following points when 7th house is taken as B Me 25 ve 20 mo 19 su 17 sa 14 ma 13 ju 5 Since he has Venus in Jyethia nakshatra I would like to see that he gets married in the sub period of the planet which does not disturb his married life. FIRST OPTION: If I marry him now in the Sub period of mercury{which has highest points} then the next sub period which is that of Ketu which is Samdharmi to Saturn in Navamsa chart{lying in the same house} since he has an infflicted Venus {has 3rd sight of Saturn and 4th of Mars and Saturn also aspects sun}the chances of a separation are there when Saturn transits the 6th house {end of a relationship} during the sub period of Ketu. SECOND OPTION: I should marry him in the sub period of Venus{which starts on 8th of Dec 2006} which is followed by sub of sun ,moon,mars which will take him to the end of 2014 an age of 35 years when he will be mature enough to take care of himself. A little thinking by fellow members will be highly appreciated. Rgds Dear Krushnaji, Samina, Margarita and list members, You have raised a good topic for discussion. I will put down my thoughts and others may join in ... Lets start with discussing Houses and what it means. 12th house ---------- 12th house is house of enjoyments, Moksha apart from other things. Its House E for 7th as B. Its House D for 3rd as B. Its House C for 8th as B. It is A for 5th house and B for result of enjoymenet, Moksha etc. 12th house is that of Long Journeys. So I would think that 12th house as B could mean long distance travels or travels overseas in todays context. 12th house is also House C for 8th house i.e. like result after death or phalit sthan of death. Maybe journey to next life....... ????. 12th house is also house of Moksha and enjoyments. 3rd House --------- 3rd House. 3rd house as B, for that 12th house becomes D and 10th house as B then 3rd house is E. So its eager to give Authority and pleasures or long journey. 3rd house is also 12th from 4th house and 4th house is HomeLand apart from other things. As per KAS we know about that 12th from B and its effect on B. So it could mean displacing a person from Home Land, for a long journey (12th house is House D) and also might get Authority in another country (10th house). Maybe one can say that one Migrates (12th from 4th) to another country overseas (12th) where he gets authority (10th). 9th house --------- 9th house is 12th from 10th house. Its House D for 12th as B. It is also House E for 4th house as B. Here it could mean or translate into Travel due to change of authority (12th from 10th) to another location (12th) but within Home Land (4th). So maybe travel due to work. 7th house --------- 7th house is Karak for 12th as B. It is 4th from 4th house so its subordinate to 4th house so will try to help 4th house and 4th house being home land. It is House E to 2nd house and D to 10th. It is also C to 3rd house. Here it could mean, Short term travels for Authority (10th) but will also trigger 2nd house so might be close to family and its subordinate to 4th house so home land. 7th is also 2nd from 6th. house of job so could be work related. In your mail you have asked about reason for travel. I think that can be seen from Karak. For death of mother its 5th or SD to 5th lord and for death of father its 11th or SD to 11th lord from a childs chart. During antra of death of the parents and if its having relation to 12th house or lord it can mean travel for such a thing. Also daily points one can check. If they are low < 196 it could mean that person is feeling more depressed. It travelling for marriage or other happy ocassion also from daily transit of points one can get an idea of the mood of the person. If its more than 196 it could mean person is happy on that day.... But for travel there should be a link to the above houses I feel i.e. antra lord running must have some relation to the above houses. Please feel free to correct me.... Cheers !!! Ash , " saminamalik50 " <saminamalik50@h...> wrote: > Dear Krushna Ji and Senior list members; > > In one of the posts Krushna Ji mentioned the following. > > 1.Take 3rd house as house B for migration. > 2.Take 9th house as house B for travelling. > 3.Take 12th house for recreational travelling etc. > > I was looking at a chart and observed that when she migrated rule 1 > was followed. > She came to see her parents after about 3 years rule 3 was followed > {she came in the antardasa of the planet with less than 12 points} > > QUESTION:[1}Which house is to be taken as B {wether 9 or 12}if she > visit the country on the death of her one of her parents{about this I > think house 9 should be taken as house B} > > [2]Which house is to be taken as house B if she visits the country on > the marriage of a brother or sister.{about this I personally think > house 12 should be taken as B} > > Your help in clearing the concept will be highly appreciated. > > rgds > > Samina ar Samina, Yes, death is a happy event. All happy events happen in the strongest significator or LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E with more points. Now if the impact of death of a person affects the native then I feel that it will show low points as person might not be happy or another way of looking is the person will cease to get happiness from say mother or father. Whatever events impact the native can be seen from a chart. Indirect events we need to study more closely on how it may impact the native. Say death of Father might give inheritance so 8th house might show a rise in points. 9th house is father and 12th from B is 8th house. So 8th MAY go up in points. So inheritance may be how it affects. Thats my understanding so far. I hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash Hello mbaqueen, I am providing the calculated points for your chart for House 7 (House B for marriage). They might help you in your analysis. ju - 20, ve - 14, me - 13, ma - 13, mo - 12, su - 10, sa - 09. Also there is an excel sheet in Files section that can calculate the points for you. Regards, Manu , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Well, with asc in Sag too I can't find the reason for delay! > Others might be able to help me out. > > Regards, > Manu > > , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > Oops! I think the asc on the border is what is causing a problem. > > Birth time rectification is required. > > > > I will perform a second try. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > , " Manu Batura " > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Can you please confirm if your chart is this? > > > > > > ############################################# asc . cap 00°42' > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # su(4) vir 23°08' > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # mo(5) gem 29°33' > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. ke .. # .. mo sa # ju(5) aqu 16°32' > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # me(4) lib 17°00' > > > ############################################# ve(5) vir 15°53' > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ma(2) vir 24°50' > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # sa(5) gem 25°57' > > > # .. ju .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ra .. sco 20°32' > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ke .. tau 20°32' > > > ############//////RASI//D-1//////############ > > > # // .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # > > > ############################################# > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. # .. ra .. # .. me .. # ma su ve # > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # > > > ############################################# > > > > > > Actually, I could not find any reason for the delay in marriage?! > > > > > > It has been a long time since I saw any chart and I might have > made > > a > > > mistake, but can you please verify the birth details? > > > Maybe Ash and others will be able to provide correct analysis. > > > > > > I have taken the following values for Guntur. > > > > > > Long = 80.29E, Lat = 16.18N > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mba_queen " > > > <mba_queen> wrote: > > > > Dear gurus, > > > > > > > > Please analyse my chart related to my marriage and married life. > > > > > > > > DOB:oct 9th'1974 > > > > > > > > POB:Guntur,India > > > > > > > > TOB:13:05hrs > > > > > > > > Iam not yet married and Iam so curious to know why it is > delayed? > > > And > > > > when it could happen.How my married life will be? > > > > > > > > I tried to calcuate points for each house..but because of my > > > > ignorance I couldn't understand the first step of calculating > > > points > > > > in ASHTAKAVARGA chart.If possible,anyone of you could help in > > > > calculating points of that chart. > > > > > > > > Thanks Dear Manu, Welcome back to the list. With Sagittarius lagna here are some observations Sa is in 7th, House B, It is LoA and it conjoins Venus who is LoC in navamsa so full delay. Guru is in Aquarius sign of delay casuing planet Shani so he cant check delay caused by Sa. So full delay. Please read point 5 in lesson in Lesson 24. Guru also aspects 7th house malefically and this also causes further delay. Cheers !!! Ash Dear ? How can you go to lesson 24 without first understanding lesson 1 thru 23 and casting your worksheet. Manu has given you the points for 7th house. Currently u are going through antra of 6th lord. Lagna and 7th are in nav pancham. Next antra is that of Sun who has 10 points for 7th however he has good ponits for 12th and 5th and is in House E for 5th with more points. 5th and 7th i.e LoD and LoE are having some relation. LAgna has 32 points and lagna and 7th are having 6:8 relation. 2nd lord is gaining status by going into primary upchaya sthan in 7th house. i.e. in 6th house from 2nd. Lagna and 3rd lords are in nav pancham so you have blessings of mother. Like that so many things have to first considred before getting into timing. Have you read the lesson on Non Maritial Status ? Are any of the law matching. Please read even point 5 of lesson 24 carefully. Its clearly given that Sa with Moon and having less points. In your case Sa is with 4 bindus so on borderline or neutral so it can go either way. My suggestion is that before jumping into timing and getting all worried by reading 1 point is not right. You will get married. When I shall leave that to you and others to make an attempt. Manu had done nice work by assisting you by casting your worksheet and giving you the poitns for 7th house. I hope that Manu and you continue. Also please post your name out of courtesy. Cheers !!! Ash Dear ? How can you go to lesson 24 without first understanding lesson 1 thru 23 and casting your worksheet. Manu has given you the points for 7th house. Currently u are going through antra of 6th lord. Lagna and 7th are in nav pancham. Next antra is that of Sun who has 10 points for 7th however he has good ponits for 12th and 5th and is in House E for 5th with more points. 5th and 7th i.e LoD and LoE are having some relation. LAgna has 32 points and lagna and 7th are having 6:8 relation. 2nd lord is gaining status by going into primary upchaya sthan in 7th house. i.e. in 6th house from 2nd. Lagna and 3rd lords are in nav pancham so you have blessings of mother. Like that so many things have to first considred before getting into timing. Have you read the lesson on Non Maritial Status ? Are any of the law matching. Please read even point 5 of lesson 24 carefully. Its clearly given that Sa with Moon and having less points. In your case Sa is with 4 bindus so on borderline or neutral so it can go either way. My suggestion is that before jumping into timing and getting all worried by reading 1 point is not right. You will get married. When I shall leave that to you and others to make an attempt. Manu had done nice work by assisting you by casting your worksheet and giving you the poitns for 7th house. I hope that Manu and you continue. Also please post your name out of courtesy. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash and Manu, Before asking you something,I would like to say thanks to both of you for analyzing my chart. I got one question(not related to my chart).If the Lord of sun's house and the lord of 7th from sun's house are in same house,how can we calculate points. Thanks Hema ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Krushnaji and Manu, Yes, I also feel the same and agree with all your findings. Mars is LoE and its in 11th from 12th house so in upchaya and also its in 6th from 5th house. So again 5th and 12th house gain status. Yes its with Venus who is 6th lord and 11th lord and loosing status for 11th house. About 2nd sector is also what I think. So I agree with your findings. Now I would like to confirm IF Moon will not give results. Moon its with 12 points so it can go either way. Studying Status of Moon, Moon is in Krishna Pax and in 12th from 8th. So again loosing status. Now Moon is SD to Karak Shani at the same time its also SD to Mercury. Moon is natural samdharmi to Mars who is LoE. So overall I feel that it does might not give results. Krushnaji when you get a chance can you guide us regarding if Moon can give results for timing of events for marriage. I hope Krushnaji can confirm our findings. Also can you confirm the sector. Here Mars is LoE and there is full delay. So delay will be second sector. Here lagna and 3rd are in 5:9 so will the event happen in 1st sector itself ? If in Moon the event will be in last sector. Is that proper ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash In , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: Hi Ash, I tried to see Hema's chart again wrt to marriage. Please let me know if there are mistakes. I rectified by -5 mins to get sag asc.First of all, lord of asc (ju) and lord of 7th (me) are in 5:9.lord of mo (me) and lord of 7th from mo (ju) are again in 5:9.Lord of su (me) and lord of 7th from su (ju) are again in 5:9!So, marriage points are 90. That is good. Ve is in nakst of Hasta. Diff from sun is 7.2 degrees. That is good. SAV of hs1 is 32. (So, as Ash analysed, the native might be head strong). For B as hs7, Sa is LoA in rasi as well as navamsa. It is also placed with LoC (ve) in navamsa. And as Ash pointed out, Mo is placed with Sa in hs7 in rasi.So, I am assuming full delay. Full delay ended on 7/14/2002 when native was 27.8 yrs. She has been in me/ve since then which ends on 8/2/2004 when me/su shall start.Looking at the strength sheet, it seems that it was good that the native was not marriage in ve antra since it is lord of 6th. su with low points (10) may not be able to give results either. The next antra is mo. Mo has only 12 points and is afflicted by saturn in 7th. Hence that too may not give results. Actually I am not sure here! Anyways, next antra is ma. Ma has 13 points and is LoE. Hence it is eager to give results. So, marriage may happen is Ma antra from 11/8/2006 to 11/5/2007. It may happen in second sector since Ju has 5th sight on Sa. Regards, Manu In , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, For finding proper sector I am still practicing it.I will share with you what I have found. If there is a delay causing planet say it can be Venus or Guru or Sa then its last sector. At the same time there is a law that IF THE DELAY CAUSING PLANET IS LOD OR LOE then it will give it in first sector. Now this can be modified buy Zeroes in SAV.We also need to see if say the strong significator is saw with Shani etc. So I am still practicing such things and hopefully will be more confident with more practice.I think here again u need to get an understanding first of the chart and then you can narrow to proper sector. Say delay causing planets antra is running and so it will try to give in 1st sector at the same time there is 1 zero and at the same time say for marriage there lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 it means there is blessing of father or guru so in that case the event MAY happen in the first sector only.So such things and again overall chart should be kept in mind.Thats been my experience this far. Cheers !!! Ash In , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: Thanks Ash,Also, will it be correct to say that sector selection is used only when Sa itself becomes the significator.Then, we can determine in which sector of its antar-dasha the event happens by the rules.However, what should we do when sa causes full delay but is not the significator? Ash,I will try to analyse Hema's chart this evening to see if I can figure out the period. Thanks & Regards, Manu In , Ash Sam<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Sa is delay causing planet and that is clear.When Ju malefically aspects 7th house or its lord then that can also cause further delay.There is also a law when Guru is in lagna with more points it can cause seperation or divorse.In such a case it can cause further delay also in selecting the proper sector.It will cause delay.Zeores in SAV also cause delay and so does so many other things for example if venus is spoilt then that can also cause delay.So we should keep all these things in mind.Study each status carefully.Guru in libra can also cause delay. We need to study whole chart.For that we need to solve so many charts and it will come with experience and you will start to get a feeler on such things. Cheers !!! Ash Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, I have a few more doubts about delay.The lessons say that Ju and Sa are delay causing planets. Is it that Sa causes delay and Ju checks it or can Jupiter can also cause full delay when there is no delay due to Saturn?In this case how do we measure the delay? Thanks & Regards, Manu In , Ash Sam<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, In that case I would think when it first reaches 0 deg. Thanks,Cheers !!! Ash Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, I was refering to the retrogression of Saturn. Regards,Manu In , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu,How 2 times.Sa is at 16 deg into Cancer so in 2.5 year it will hit 16 deg in Leo and 2.5 year after that into Virgo...............to 0 deg Cancer. So the cycle starts from 16 deg Cancer.So only once.I think it will be clear now. Cheers !!!Ash In , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, Thanks a lot. However, sometimes Sa will cut 0 degrees twice.Should we take the first cut or the second? Thanks & Regards, Manu In , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Sorry ignore my previous email too in rush I made mistake.Say Sa is 16 degrees in Cancer. So for full delay caused by Shani it will be till Shani transits around the chart and comes to 0 deg Cancer. Thanks,Cheers !!! Ash In , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash Read CAN as LIB in previous mail. Regards, Manu In , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, I really need to get my concepts cleared about delay before sa causes more delay. I have a few doubts:Let us say that a native was born when Sa was in LIB. Now if there is full delay,should we consider then delay to be from the case when Sa moves from CAN -> PIS (0 degrees)or should we consider it to be from the case when LIB ->LIB(full cycle) -> PIS (0 degrees). I have many many more doubts about delay.I will ask them later. Thanks & Regards, Manu In , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Welcome back to the list. With Sagittarius lagna here are some observations Sa is in 7th, House B, It is LoA and it conjoins Venus who is LoC in navamsa so full delay.Guru is in Aquarius sign of delay casuing planet Shani so he cant check delay caused by Sa. So full delay. Please read point 5 in lesson in Lesson 24.Guru also aspects 7th house malefically and this also causes further delay. Cheers !!! Ash In , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: Well, with asc in Sag too I can't find === message truncated === Dear Krushnaji, Manu and Hema, Manu and Hema, your previous mail I shall answer in the morning when I feel more fresh. Here is my understanding. 1) 5:9 is nav pancham. Nakshatras in 5:9 houses are same. If you see from House ABCDE then if you observe keenly House B and C are always in nav pancham. 2) 3:11 are in upchaya which is good. 3) 2:12 means disharmony. 4) 6:8 means disputes 5) 1:7 means 1 and 7th houses are always enemies. So in this case its more a fight for domination. Natural samdharmi's when in 1:7 position cease to become Samdharmis. So for example Venus and Saturn are in opposite houses then they will not be natural samdhamris as they become like functional enemies. Similarly for Moon and Mars and Moon and Sun. 6) Same house : Here they becomes Samdharmis. if the distance between the 2 planets is less than 15 degrees then consider them as 4:10 and if greater than 15 degrees then consider it as 2:12 7) 4:10 is boss / subordinate relation or opposition but with respect. About allocating points I shall leave that to Krushnaji. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Manu, Its the other way. First you see the chart and see happiness is it promised in the chart. If there are indications of say multiple marriages or a seperation then in such cases either marriage will be in lowest significator and will break in highest significator or LoD or LoE. Worksheet give u strength of planet for all houses. When the event will happen in lowest points from WS or LoD or LoE from WS or highest points from WS is our choice based on what we first judge from a chart. So use the worksheet to see overall results and to time but that is the last step. First u have to study the chart and then use Worksheet to time. Now quality of event is different from timing. You can time a marriage i.e. from worksheet. Say you see that a chart has problems but still there are no laws fitting for a No Marriage scenario. Then in that case marriage will take place. So that is timing of event. So if someone asks u. .when will I get married you can use the worksheet to time it maybe in the weakest significator. Now quality of marriage is differnt issue. Problems may start to creep in when planets with more points come up and about and when LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E come then such things will get enhanced and it MAY break if such things are seen. That is also timing of an event. Similarly for Job, see the nature of person, his intellegence, capability first, see his lagna points, and also see where lagna lord is, 6th lord is.. if say lagna lord is in 12th then status of Karak of A for job is weakened. Such things show us something. At the same time see if Moon is with Rahu then it can show something about natore of the person .. see lagna lord in relation to say 9th lord or 11th lord for boss or friends if they are in 5:9 then its nice person is friendly can get along if in 6:8 then it can show some issues... now at the same time say lagna points are over 40 then person can be very adamenet or sensitive and may break or leave job etc etc.... So we need to see all things together. Think over this. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Some things are very evident. Ve is in nakshatra of aridra. Divorce is clear. And I can't beleive this, Sa has 57 strength points for hs7! It is also LoD. The marriage must have happened in Sa antra. Sa has only 2 points and it aspects A, B and C. Hence, it directly bags 18 extra points for sitting at the right place in the horoscope. Not only that, Sa only controls, ju, ve and ma in this horoscope. And having only 2 points, it is a very strict master. According to me, since, ve su diff is 28. That is good. Although ve does have sight of sa that spoils the karaktwa. I still do not think it might lead to extra-marital relationships. 6L mangal has 3 points and hence, is also a cruel slave to Sa. 6L is with ve, karaktwa of hs7. Hence, it spoils ve too. Ve is already under Sa's influence. I think it is to do with the interaction of Sa, Ju, Me, and Ma. It will be nice to know the answer from Krushnaji. It seems like a special chart! Thanks & regards, Manu , " pjoshi1975 " <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > Dear Ash, Manu and group, > > This chart Krushnaji gave and asked some questions (see Msg: 2878). > Nobody followed up to answer it. So let us take it up now. It could > be paramour chart. > > Male, July 21,1966 > 4:15pm (GMT+5.5) at 28N39, 77E13 > I get lagna 22Sc55 > > Info given: married in period Aug 92 to Sept 93 > Sept 96 to Feb 99 differences started between husband and wife > Wife Left him in Feb 97 to April 98 > > Questions asked by Krushnaji are as follows: > is this a case of extra marital relation of the husband? > Or is it a effect of 6L with 2L,7L, and 5L? > Or is it a chart of multiple marriage? > > As Krushnaji mentioned in the post, all planets are getting high > points in WS for 7th house. This can give tendancy extra maritial > relationship. Looking at it I see problems started in end of Ma/Venus > dasa and must have got much worse in Ma/Sun. See points for 5,7,12 in > worksheet for these periods they are all high. I can't beleive how > high points get in Sun antar is it for real? He must have got into > extra marital relation in Ma/Ve and it got out of control in sun > antar so wife left him. Please give your comments/analysis. > > Puneet Dear Krushnaji, Puneet, Manu and List members, Basic Chart Observation. ------------------------ In this chart Mars is with Venus in 1 sign. Venus is in Aadra and its under influence of Shani (4:10). LoE for 7th is conjoining LoD for 5th (Guru and Venus) are in 1 sign. Moon is in sign of Leo. Lagna and 7th are in 4:10, Moon sign and 7th is in 6:8 and Sun sign and 7th is in 5:9. 6th lord is conjoining LoB, LoA and aspecting House C. 6th lord is conjoining LoE and is aspecting LoD in navamsa. So its afflicting all primary and secondary upchaya sthan or their lords. All the points for 7th are high. A zero due to Mars in 4th. Shani in 5th with low points. Timing of event. ---------------- There is full delay due to Sa and its moderated by Jupiter. There is additional delay due to Mars in 4th house. Marriage happened in Guru antra. Here from all the above observation this is chart for which marriage is due to 12th house matters. Here Marriage is in Gurus antar dasha. Guru is LoE for 12th and LoD for 5th. So its triggering Love and 12th house matters. Points for Guru for 12th house is also 27. The antra after Venus in Mars MD is that of Sa. Sa has 33 points for 12th house, then its Mercury who has less points for 12th. After that came Ketu (Guru), Venus, Sun and Moon. All of them have good points for 12th. Venus and Mars are SD to 2nd lord Guru so again there will be stress during this stage. Marriage also happened in 2nd lords antra so again its showing stress. Then came Rahu/Rahu and Rahu = Mars and 6th lord. Here Mars has only 6 points for 5th house and lowest points for 12th house. This marriage is a marriage of 5th and 12th house. When points have gone down its showing the jatak and his wife have seperated. Marriage performed in SD to 6th lord and 2nd lord and 6th lord afflicting A,B,C,D,E or their lords cant give happiness. This is a chart of multiple marriages studded with worries. As soon as passion from a relation ship will end the person will look for another partner. Krushnaji, please feel free to point out my errors. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Krushnaji, I have tried to answer the question. Kindly let me know my mistakes. The following is the rasi chart of the native: ############################################# asc . sag 16°02' # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # su(4) gem 02°43' # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # mo(4) gem 13°28' # .. ra .. # .. ve .. # .. me .. # .. su mo # ju(5) aqu 15°07' # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # me(6) tau 10°22' ############################################# ve(5) ari 25°11' # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ma(4) vir 09°39' # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # sa(2) leo 21°18' # .. ju .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ra .. pis 11°08' # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ke .. vir 11°08' ############//////RASI//D-1//////############ # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. sa .. # # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ############################################# # // .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. ma ke # # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # ############################################# Nakst[asc-ve, su-ma, mo-ra, me-mo, ve-ve, ma-su, ju-ra, sa-ve, ra-sa, ke-mo] Let us consider the quality of marriage: The 7th lord me is in 6th house and is also aspected by Saturn. The natural karak for marriage, Ve, is also lord of 6th house. These indications are not good for the house of marriage and point to divorce. Let us see when the marriage might have happened. There is no delay due to saturn. The following are the dashas: START........MD/AD...2nd sector...3rd sector...Age -------------------- 10/16/1969 - ju/su - 01/21/1970 - 04/28/1970 - 19.3346 08/05/1970 - ju/mo - 01/14/1971 - 06/25/1971 - 20.1368 12/05/1971 - ju/ma - 03/27/1972 - 07/19/1972 - 21.4701 11/10/1972 - ju/ra - 08/29/1973 - 06/17/1974 - 22.4037 04/05/1975 - sa/sa - 04/05/1976 - 04/06/1977 - 24.802 04/08/1978 - sa/me - 03/01/1979 - 01/23/1980 - 27.8109 12/16/1980 - sa/ke - 04/30/1981 - 09/12/1981 - 30.5022 01/25/1982 - sa/ve - 02/14/1983 - 03/06/1984 - 31.611 There are also no indications of delayed marriage or no marriage. Hence, the marriage might have happened in the antar dasha of ma with ju as MD. Ma has less points for marriage and it is LoE. It is also LoE for 12th house. Ma being placed in sign of mercury, it might have happened in the second sector from 3/1972 to 7/1972 when native was 21 yrs old. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Amitabh, 5th house is used for degrees, 6th for increase in the status and the 10th for profession. You may want to read lesson 28 for this. The fifth house should trigger to obtain any kind of degrees or certifications. If the current antra makes 5th as LoD or LoE then degree or certifications can be obtained. But as indicated in the lessons, you should also look at the intelligence of the person. Krushnaji and Ash will be able to explain this in more detail. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, 2nd house is of wealth, family etc. Worksheet is important as it will give u timing of events. If 12th triggers at the same time also 4th is triggering then person may invest in say fixed asset. If 2nd is triggering and 2nd is higher than 11th then the pesron may invest in bonds, stocks etc. Personality of the person, how much daring he has, moon status, intellegence, points in WS, SAV all should be checked together. Like this you should apply yourself. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Hello Krushnaji, Ash, List Members, > > I understand that we can check finance position in an antra by > checking points of 11th and 12th. However, how can we check financial > success of the person during his life. Is there anything besides 11th > and 12th SAV that should be checked. > > I have a horoscope of the person who has never been able to push > ahead in terms of finance despite great pains. Every endeavor failed > subsequently. > > I guess hs9 would also be important in this matter. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu Dear Dadhi, A couple of points as per my understanding. Aquring wealth is different from being born in a wealthy family. I am talking about wealth generated. In short I am talking of 2nd house. Now in this mail you have talked of comparing 10th,11th and 12th house. So effort, income and expense. Wealth is 2nd house. If you are comparing 11th with 12th, ineffect you are comparing income v/s expenditure. If you are comparing 10th, 11th and 12th then you are trying to see the effort put in (10th) as compared to income (11th) and at the same time keeping an eye on the expenses so comparing it to expense (12th). Now if we also see 2nd house then we are checking for 2nd house matters and that could be wealth. So now say you are comparing 11th house to 2nd house and 12th house. So now say if 11th house is triggering and at the same time for example 2nd house points are more than 11th and say 12th house is also triggering so it may mean than the expense is say going towards wealth generation. If 12th house is triggering and say 4th house is also triggering then it could mean expense for 4th house matters like car or home. Yes we can take other charts for study purposes. In the chart that Sameer gave and he has not commented but in his case 4th house was triggering and 12th. He has not commented on my reading as yet for which I am waiting. Multiplication factor is to give an idea on quality as it shows the backing of a sign. About Transit of Ju and Sa is also very important. We must check that also. Actually we must see all 12 houses together. Just as an example say 12th house is triggering and 6th house points are low then it could also mean that one is having expense towards say health bills. These are some guide lines and I also would like to study the same. If we can get some charts and some periods where people acquired wealth then we can study such things in further detail and hash it out. So infact if we can get charts of people who have worked hard and made wealth during certain times rather than being born in rich family would be a better exercise atleast in my opinion. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Swaroopa, You brought your house in Venus antra in Ju mahadasha. Cast your worksheet and you will see the points Ve receives for 4th house is the highest. There is no delay so 1st sector and you purchased it when sun transitted Mars/Mercury sign/nak. Something might have started during Aug 17th-30th and then Sept 13th thru Sept 16th. Can you confirm this. Venus also has high points for all houses. It might have been an overall good period Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hi, > I bought a site in Bangalore and paid the cost of the land on > 12/12/2002. My DOB:12/12/1970, Place of birth: Hosur, Dharmapuri > district in Tamilnadu (near Bangalore), Time: 0:07:40 (midnight of > twelfth December or early morning of 13th Dec 1970)Would you like to > consider analysis on my chart ? I paid out of savings and loan. > Swaroopa Dear Kamlesh, Check your SAV points in 11th and 12th house. 12th house points are 38 and 11th is 32. Is this expenditure pattern surprising. Cast your worksheet and compare the points of 11th and 12th house. You will see that point of 12th is more than 11th for all house so you will be spending more except in the antra of sun. Last May you were running Ra/Ma. Ma has 11 points in 5th, 13 in 11th and 14 in 12th. Points in 2nd house is also 12 so it can go either way. Back in May Sa and Ju points were 7. Please cast your worksheet and read the lessons. What I have written will become clear. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , " krsham " <krsham> wrote: > > Hi, > > How about this chart: > > DOB: Jan 26, 1981 > TOB: 19:55 > Place: Manila, Philippines > > The subject has incurred a great financial loss in an attempted > venture in speculation last May. He has Ju - Sat - Moon in the second > house and the 2nd lord is in 6th house. He is running Rahu Mahadasa > and Rahu is in his house of expenditures (12th house). > > What will be his expenditure pattern and where will he invest(fixed > assets or liquid cash)? Is speculation advisable for such a person? > How will his financial standing be? > > Regards, > > Kamlesh Hi Ash, > My first application to BDA for the site got rejected in August(the > deposit money was returned then) and I applied a second time in > September. Yes, life has been good for me until now. > Swaroopa Dear Franco, How sure are u of this birth time. Is this chart of male or female ? Is this the first marriage of the native ? Cheers !!! Ash , " franco_well " <francowell@n...> wrote: > > Dear learned list members..... > > What astrological factors were present > on 3-30-1980 supporting marriage for > a person born on 6-30-1949 @ 7:56AM > in Pottstown, PA? > > Namaste.....Franco Dear Franco, Ok. Thanks for the clarification. As per KAS here is my analyisis. Sa is in 2nd house with 0 points. It is aspecting house C (11th house) and Itself is LoB (7th house). It is situated in Karak sthan with 0 points. This gives delay to about 26.5 year i.e on March 5th 1975 Sa crossed 20 deg in Gemini. After that there is additional delay of about 10% due to Sa as he is giving 0 points to karak sthan. So 26.5 * 1.10 = 29.8 years. So marriage will be after this age. Antra running at that time is Mars in Moon Mahadasha. Moon is in Karak sthan and in 2nd from own house. Its with 4 points. So can give marriage in its Mahadasha. Now when delay gets over last part of Mars antra is running. Mars has 11 points for 7th house. Next antra after that is that of Rahu. Rahu is samdharmi to Guru and Mercury. Mercury is LoE. So Rahu will step in as one of the planets is aspecting primary significator house. Now we have narrowed down to Moon MD and Rahu mahadasha. Now narrowing it down further. Here there is full delay and here Rahu is representing mercury who is LoE. So it is very eager to give result. So delay is reduced 2nd sector. Now narrowing it down further we will use suns transit. Here Mercury is strongest significator and rahu is also SD to Mercury. So suns transit over Mercury-Rahu will be the strongest. Sun transits Mercury Sign and nakshtara of Rahu from June 22nd thru July 5th. The marriage was held on 30th June 1980. Death of Mother : March 1990 during Mars/Jupiter. Mars is 3rd lord from 3rd house and antar of planet in House D i.e. Guru in 7th house with 5 bindus. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Franco, Here is the break up Moon Rahu 1979-May-20 1980-Nov-18 Sector 1 1979-May-20 1979-Nov-19 Sector 2 1979-Nov-19 1980-May-19 Sector 3 1980-May-19 1980-Nov-18 I have said 2nd sector is when marriage will take place. I made a mistake the period I took was falling outside the 2nd sector. You can find the probable dates using probable date finder. All these things are given in the lessons. You can download the same and apply it for all events of your life. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Mr. Ash, Yes! They match perfactly. Regards rahul , Ash <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Rahul, > Please address me as Ash. > When there is transfer the the place of work changes, the bosses changes, environment changes and location changes. 6th, 5th,9th house, 10th hosue will reflect that. That is why I picked those antras at a glance. Have you checked if they match. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > Rahul <astro_ra> wrote: > > > Dear Ash Ji!, > > I had last changed my job in may 2000. After that there is no job > changes. Yes Of course change of Places (transfers) are there in this > tennure in the same company. > 1. Transfer to Derahadun in april 2001 to Sep'01 than back to H.O. > 2. Transfer to Delhi in Nov'02 and bach to H.o in Apil'03. > 3. Promoted (without any financial hike) and transfered back to delhi > i in July'03. > > Prior to this I had changed my job in Feb'95 and June'96, > > Jobless period Oct'98 to April'99 > > Joined a job in April'99 and left that Job in Oct'99. Again Jobless > till May'2000. During this Period I had Done some additional > Certification Course after leaving the Job. Hope this information > will help you analysing my chart. > > Is ther any possibility of Change of Job in near future? > > Thanking You, > > Regards > Rahul > > , " ashsam73 " > wrote: > > > > Dear Rahul, > > Can you also give the job changes. You might have had job changes > > during ve, me and sun antra's as per KAY. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manu, Dadhi and list members, > > > > > > This is a very interesting chart. We should discuss it. > > > > > > I have casted the chart using the time given by the native. > > > > > > If Rahul can provide more detail regarding line of work, any love > > > relationships, previous marriages, degree it will help in > analysis. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Rahul " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Manu, > > > > > > > > At the outset thanks you for your interest. Sir the > > > > > > > > Lattitude is : 18.46 N > > > > > > > > Longitude is :84.05 E. > > > > > > > > It is in India and hence timezone is +5.30Hrs and No Day light > > > saving > > > > time. > > > > Thanking you again, > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rahul > > > > > > > > , " Manu Batura " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rahul, > > > > > > > > > > Can you please let us know the latitude and longitude of the > > > place > > > > > and the time zone. Also was there any daylight saving time in > > > > effect. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > , " Rahul " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any one please tell me about my financial future and > > > marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > My Date Of Birth is 1st April 1969 > > > > > > > > > > > > Time Of Birth is 17:09 > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth is Parlakimidi. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am more worried about my future. Whether I will have a > > > > > successfull > > > > > > married life. When I will get marry? > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my computer generated horoscope, the strength > of > > > my > > > > > 11th > > > > > > house(ashtakVargo) is more in comparing to strength of > other > > > > houses > > > > > > (which indicates Comforts, Cash in-flow and friends), but > in > > > fact > > > > > > this is not true in my case(I don't have a single friend > > even, > > > > > cash > > > > > > in flow is not good etc.). Is there any chance of getting a > > > wrong > > > > > > report. Is there any chance of getting a wrong > report,because > > > of > > > > > > wrong birth time in some minutes. The Birth time may be > Plus > > or > > > > > Minus > > > > > > 5 minutes. Please Help me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rahul > " Manu Batura " <manubatura> Mon Nov 8, 2004 4:27 pm Re: Query regarding marriage Dear Ash, I tried to analyse Yogesh's chart but I have a query. Full delay is clearly evident in the chart since Sa is in 5th house. His father's death happened in Ve/Ra, Ve is SD to Ju (loa for 4th). Ra is SD to Saturn (highest significator for 4th). I tried to determine the time of marriage. A very good marital compatibility is seen from the chart and it seems to me that is shall be an arranged marriage. However, I am facing some problems narrowing down the event of marriage. It is clear that Sa shall gie the event after full delay that ended on 7/14/2002. However, since Sa is LoE I would have expected that the marriage should have happened in the 1st sector of the antra. I can't understand why it did not happen? Does the time require further rectification? Thanks & Regards, Manu , Jitjag <jitjag1> wrote: > Hi Manu , > > Sorry ... Time of Birth is 7.00 AM and not 7.00 PM ... > > Thank You, > > > Yogesh > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Yogesh, > > Are you sure of your Birth time? > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > , " jitjag1 " > <jitjag1> wrote: > > > > Hi Ash and other learned mebers, > > > > As given on main page I am providing following information … > > > > 1) Complete birth data. > > > > Birth date : 5th March 1975 > > > > Time of Birth : 7.00 PM > > > > Birth Place : Malad – Mumbai, Maharashtra, India > > > > > > 2) Education level of the native. > > > > Electronics Eng. passed in 1996. > > > > 3) Means of earning a living, and when the job began. Any change in > > jobs, date of pay raise, etc. > > > > Occupation : Software eng. > > Date of first job : 10-March-1997. > > Change of Job : 01-Jun-2001. > > > > Came to US for onsite assignment on 10-March-2003. > > > > Till Last year every year got promoted to next level. > > > > > > 4) If married then give the date of marriage. Please also mention > if > > it is a pre-arranged marriage or a love marriage. Also, give the > > chart of the life partner. > > > > Not married > > > > 5) If there are problems in the marital life, please specify with > > date. > > > > NA.. > > > > 6) If there are children, then give their dates of birth. > > NA > > > > 7) Specify whether parents are still living. If not, give their > > dates of passing. > > > > Father expired in 04-Sep-1997 > > > > > > Could you please tell me when will I get married …. > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Yogesh Dear Manu and Yogesh, Good question Manu. As per our laws if the delay causing planet is LoD or LoE then it should give the result in the 1st sector. So either both of us are overlooking something or birth data needs further rectification. One thing here Shani is in House E for 12th as B with less points so it may have given some closeness with someone. I would like to confirm this. Secondly I would like to confirm if Yogesh was brought up by someone who is not his mother. Thirdly I would like to Ask yogesh regarding the accuracy of the birth time and the source. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Raji, 1:7 means the lords are in sign of enemies. 1:7 or 7:7 as some write it means there is a struggle for domination. Yes, Raji, I agree atleast 2-3 points much match if we go verbatim however in this chart there are other factors or you can say psychological factors. a) Venus is too close to sun. She is not the romatic kind. Even might not be comfortable around guys. Please confirm this. If anyone opposes or has any difference of opinion with what she is thinking she might not like that ... b) She might not even bother too much with keep things in proper place or might not be very particular about how she dresses up either. Again can you please confirm this... Now she is very intellegent and she knows it and might think that she is always right. Will not easily accept let alone compromise. She is very independent and either might be (or in time) will rise to prominent position of authority or will do her own business. She needs that space to do things her way. If her bosses oppose her she will not like it or may leave job / jobs. Now again Rahu is aspecting moon so again she will be obsessive about things she does or she will not like to rest till she finishes the tasks she takes up. She is not the emotional kind of person but she would be very sensitive. If the person she dates/marries does not take care she will walk off.... She may look for someone having higher status than her. Also 6th lord is conjoining and aspecting all planets. Now also most planets are aspecting 9th house in such cases the person itself becomes very hard work. She also will not beleive much in superstitions and might want to see things first before accepting/beleive them. Now blessing of father/guru is also very important in any chart. Here Lagna/9th lords are in 1:7. Now venus also has less points for 2nd house. Venus is NK for marriage and its spoilt by being very close to Sun and being aspected by Sa and also conjoins Mars. Here considering all factors I think that this lady might be so busy with her job/autority and working that she may not have time for anything else. If she might be in relationships it might not last long ... I hope others join in this disucssion so that we get some more clarity... This is an interesting chart... thanks Cheers !!! Ash , " raji1153 " <raji1153> wrote: > > As per lesson 24, there should be 2-3 points satisfying, right? > I could not find a single point satisfying. > > Considering other lessons like rules for analysing marriage > etc, nothing is metioned about 7:7 relationship between Lagna lord > and seventh lord and for the Lords of the Moon Sign and Sun Sign and > the seventh lords from these. Hence I'm not able to come to a > conclusion at all. > > , Ash <ashsam73> > wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Manu, Dadhi and list members, > > > > I am pasting the degree of planets. > > > > Planet/DegreeNakshatraLordNavamsaAs28 Cp 31DhanisthaMaViSu22 Pi > 27RevatiMeCpMo23 Pi 27RevatiMeAqMa21 Pi 57RevatiMeCpMe1 Pi 42Purva > BhadrapadaJuCnJu11 Vi 40HastaMoArVe21 Pi 49RevatiMeCpSa13 Vi > 10HastaMoArRa14 Cn 57PushyaSaScKe14 Cp 57SravanaMoTa > > > > > > In this chart is there marriage ? > > > > My analysis is > > > > 1) Lagna points are very high of 46. > > 2) lagna/sun/moon is falling in 4 sectors of Sa in d3, d9 and > trishansha. > > 3) Venus to Sun distance is Less than 1 degrees and is aspected by > Sa and it conjoins mars. > > > > 4) As per Lesson 24 (Rules for non maritial status and point 7 and > I quote it says " When Venus and Moon are situated in any 1 house and > Sa and Ma are situated in 7th house from them it gives no marriage " > > > > In this chart Ve (spoilt) and Mo is in 3rd house and its aspected > by Sa from 9t however Mars conjoins this combination. So u get Ve, > Mo, Ma and aspected by Sa. Can this be treated the same or does the > combination HAS to be as its given i.e. Ve and Mo in 1 sign and Sa > and Ma in 7th ? > > > > Can you please clarify ? > > > > 5) DBCE poitns from Sun and Moon are in rising order and all > points of 10th and 11th . Good income and authority, independent, > head strong / adament..... > > > > The native seems to be very adament, egoistic and having a lot of > pride, but practical in approach.. and hard working.. > > > > No blessing of father or guru is in this chart either ... lagna > and 7th lords are in 1:7 again problems with adjusment... > > > > Is there a marriage in this chart considering all these factors ? > > > > Can you please guide.... > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > raji1153 <raji1153> wrote: > > > > > > Dear learned members, > > > > I'm finding the analysis of this chart extremely difficult > > with every planet occupying either the 3rd or the 9th house. All > > rules laid out seem to hold true for this horoscope with planets > > either in association or aspecting each other. Will somebody be > kind > > enough to analyse this horoscope... > > > > Birth Details : > > ------------------ > > DOB : 5th April, 1981. > > TOB : 03:30 AM > > POB : Belgaum, Karnataka. > > Gender : Female. > > > > - Education level of the native - Electronics engineering Graduate. > > - Means of earning a living - Software Professional > > - when the job began - 7th Oct 2002. > > - Any change in jobs, date of pay raise - Switched to a different > > company On 23 Dec, 2003. > > > > - If married then give the date of marriage. Please also mention > if > > it is a pre-arranged marriage or a love marriage. Also, give the > > chart of the life partner - Not Married. > > - If there are problems in the marital life, please specify with > > date - NA > > - If there are children, then give their dates of birth - NA > > - Specify whether parents are still living - Yes. > > - Any accident, or similar event with date - None. > > > > Thanks in advance. Let me mark my answers below. But before that, I would like to say a couple of things about this native. She is the only daughter to her parents, born after a long struggle. Her mother had 2-3 miscarriages before she was born. She led a life of protected childhood all through her teens and college life. Excelled in academics and dance and music. Dance has been her passion. She had to leave home for her first job. Second job took her further away from home. Very attached to parents and home and is now desparately trying for a transfer/change of job to go to hometown. She is quite goodlooking and has a great sense of humour, and hence is very popular among the opposite sex. But yes, guys also feel that their egos are hurt with her statements. She is currently involved in a relationship with her ex colleague. This has been going on since Feb 2003. Her parents however are not favoring this. Guess she's waiting for their consent. There is absolutely no problems from the guy's side, I suppose. But will they wait is yet to be seen. Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to my Briefcase ] Thanks Ash, Ash, I was also thinking about the Mo and Sa in 7th together scenario. Why does this combination delay marriage? Is there an explanation wrt points? One thing is sure the combination gives less AV points to 7th house, only 6 if we do not consider the other planets. However, this cannot be the only reason, since there are many more combinations of mo and sa too that give low points to hs7. For example, mo in asc and sa in 6th give only 5 points. It seems like an 8 dimensional clock (disregarding ra and ke)! with 12^8 combinations (actually not quite since me and ve can't go away from su that much). But then we have divisionals too. Great! Thanks & Regards, Manu , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > Its the other way. First you see the chart and see happiness is it > promised in the chart. If there are indications of say multiple > marriages or a seperation then in such cases either marriage will be > in lowest significator and will break in highest significator or LoD > or LoE. > > Worksheet give u strength of planet for all houses. When the event > will happen in lowest points from WS or LoD or LoE from WS or highest > points from WS is our choice based on what we first judge from a > chart. > > So use the worksheet to see overall results and to time but that is > the last step. First u have to study the chart and then use > Worksheet to time. > > Now quality of event is different from timing. > > You can time a marriage i.e. from worksheet. Say you see that a > chart has problems but still there are no laws fitting for a No > Marriage scenario. Then in that case marriage will take place. So > that is timing of event. So if someone asks u. .when will I get > married you can use the worksheet to time it maybe in the weakest > significator. > > Now quality of marriage is differnt issue. Problems may start to > creep in when planets with more points come up and about and when LoD > or LoE or planets in House D or E come then such things will get > enhanced and it MAY break if such things are seen. That is also > timing of an event. > > Similarly for Job, see the nature of person, his intellegence, > capability first, see his lagna points, and also see where lagna lord > is, 6th lord is.. if say lagna lord is in 12th then status of Karak > of A for job is weakened. Such things show us something. At the > same time see if Moon is with Rahu then it can show something about > natore of the person .. see lagna lord in relation to say 9th lord or > 11th lord for boss or friends if they are in 5:9 then its nice person > is friendly can get along if in 6:8 then it can show some issues... > now at the same time say lagna points are over 40 then person can be > very adamenet or sensitive and may break or leave job etc etc.... > > So we need to see all things together. Think over this. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > I have one more query. It is dealing with quality of events. > > > > Now the lessons state that the quality of the event and timing of > the > > event are two different things and should not be mixed together. > > > > We also find that when the event takes place in the significator > > having lowest points the results are bad. > > > > So, can we apply this rule that when the karaka is spoilt and their > > are other indications too the the results will be spoilt then we > can > > use the lowest significator to time events. > > > > In this case, we shall be using the quality of the event to time > the > > event but that may be the correct thing to do. > > > > Will this be the appropriate thing to do? > > > > Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji and Manu, > > > > > > Yes, I also feel the same and agree with all your findings. > > > > > > Mars is LoE and its in 11th from 12th house so in upchaya and > also > > > its in 6th from 5th house. So again 5th and 12th house gain > > status. > > > Yes its with Venus who is 6th lord and 11th lord and loosing > status > > > for 11th house. About 2nd sector is also what I think. So I > agree > > > with your findings. > > > > > > Now I would like to confirm IF Moon will not give results. > > > > > > Moon its with 12 points so it can go either way. Studying Status > > of > > > Moon, Moon is in Krishna Pax and in 12th from 8th. So again > > loosing > > > status. > > > > > > Now Moon is SD to Karak Shani at the same time its also SD to > > > Mercury. Moon is natural samdharmi to Mars who is LoE. So > overall > > I > > > feel that it does might not give results. > > > > > > Krushnaji when you get a chance can you guide us regarding if > Moon > > > can give results for timing of events for marriage. > > > > > > I hope Krushnaji can confirm our findings. Also can you confirm > > the > > > sector. > > > > > > Here Mars is LoE and there is full delay. So delay will be > second > > > sector. Here lagna and 3rd are in 5:9 so will the event happen > in > > > 1st sector itself ? > > > > > > If in Moon the event will be in last sector. Is that proper ? > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manu Batura " > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > Hi Ash, > > > > > > > > I tried to see Hema's chart again wrt to marriage. Please let > me > > > know > > > > if there are mistakes. > > > > > > > > I rectified by -5 mins to get sag asc. > > > > > > > > First of all, lord of asc (ju) and lord of 7th (me) are in 5:9. > > > > lord of mo (me) and lord of 7th from mo (ju) are again in 5:9. > > > > Lord of su (me) and lord of 7th from su (ju) are again in 5:9! > > > > > > > > So, marriage points are 90. That is good. > > > > > > > > Ve is in nakst of Hasta. Diff from sun is 7.2 degrees. That is > > good. > > > > SAV of hs1 is 32. (So, as Ash analysed, the native might be > head > > > > strong). > > > > > > > > For B as hs7, Sa is LoA in rasi as well as navamsa. It is also > > > placed > > > > with LoC (ve) in navamsa. > > > > > > > > And as Ash pointed out, Mo is placed with Sa in hs7 in rasi. > > > > > > > > So, I am assuming full delay. > > > > > > > > Full delay ended on 7/14/2002 when native was 27.8 yrs. She has > > > been > > > > in me/ve since then which ends on 8/2/2004 when me/su shall > start. > > > > > > > > Looking at the strength sheet, it seems that it was good that > the > > > > native was not marriage in ve antra since it is lord of 6th. su > > > with > > > > low points (10) may not be able to give results either. > > > > > > > > The next antra is mo. Mo has only 12 points and is afflicted by > > > > saturn in 7th. Hence that too may not give results. Actually I > am > > > not > > > > sure here! > > > > > > > > Anyways, next antra is ma. Ma has 13 points and is LoE. Hence > it > > is > > > > eager to give results. > > > > > > > > So, marriage may happen is Ma antra from 11/8/2006 to 11/5/2007. > > > > > > > > It may happen in second sector since Ju has 5th sight on Sa. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > For finding proper sector I am still practicing it. > > > > > I will share with you what I have found. If there is a delay > > > > causing > > > > > planet say it can be Venus or Guru or Sa then its last > sector. > > > At > > > > > the same time there is a law that IF THE DELAY CAUSING PLANET > > IS > > > > LOD > > > > > OR LOE then it will give it in first sector. Now this can be > > > > > modified buy Zeroes in SAV. > > > > > We also need to see if say the strong significator is saw > with > > > > Shani > > > > > etc. So I am still practicing such things and hopefully will > > be > > > > more > > > > > confident with more practice. > > > > > I think here again u need to get an understanding first of > the > > > > chart > > > > > and then you can narrow to proper sector. > > > > > > > > > > Say delay causing planets antra is running and so it will try > > to > > > > give > > > > > in 1st sector at the same time there is 1 zero and at the > same > > > time > > > > > say for marriage there lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 it > means > > > > there > > > > > is blessing of father or guru so in that case the event MAY > > > happen > > > > in > > > > > the first sector only. > > > > > > > > > > So such things and again overall chart should be kept in > mind. > > > > Thats > > > > > been my experience this far. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Manu > Batura " > > > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, will it be correct to say that sector selection is > used > > > > only > > > > > > when Sa itself becomes the significator. > > > > > > Then, we can determine in which sector of its antar-dasha > the > > > > event > > > > > > happens by the rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, what should we do when sa causes full delay but is > > not > > > > the > > > > > > significator? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash, I will try to analyse Hema's chart this evening to see > > if > > > I > > > > > can > > > > > > figure out the period. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > Sa is delay causing planet and that is clear. > > > > > > > When Ju malefically aspects 7th house or its lord then > > > > > > > that can also cause further delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a law when Guru is in lagna with more > > > > > > > points it can cause seperation or divorse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In such a case it can cause further delay also in > > > > > > > selecting the proper sector. It will cause delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zeores in SAV also cause delay and so does so many > > > > > > > other things for example if venus is spoilt then that > > > > > > > can also cause delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So we should keep all these things in mind. Study > > > > > > > each status carefully. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru in libra can also cause delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to study whole chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For that we need to solve so many charts and it will > > > > > > > come with experience and you will start to get a > > > > > > > feeler on such things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a few more doubts about delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lessons say that Ju and Sa are delay causing > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it that Sa causes delay and Ju checks it or can > > > > > > > > Jupiter can also > > > > > > > > cause full delay when there is no delay due to > > > > > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case how do we measure the delay? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ash > > > > > > > > Sam > > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > > > In that case I would think when it first reaches 0 > > > > > > > > > deg. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was refering to the retrogression of Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > > > > > How 2 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 16 deg into Cancer so in 2.5 year it > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > hit 16 deg in > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > and 2.5 year after that into Virgo > > > > > > > > ............... > > > > > > > > > > to 0 deg Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the cycle starts from 16 deg Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So only once. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it will be clear now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > " Manu Batura " > > > > > > > > > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. However, sometimes Sa will cut > > > > > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > > > degrees twice. > > > > > > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > > > > > we take the first cut or the second? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry ignore my previous email too.. in > > > > > > > > rush I > > > > > > > > > > made mistake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say Sa is 16 degrees in Cancer. So for > > > > > > > > full > > > > > > > > > > delay caused by > > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be till Shani transits around the > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > and comes to 0 deg > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > , " Manu > > > > > > > > > > Batura " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read CAN as LIB in previous mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu In , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, I really need to get my concepts cleared about delay before sa causes more delay. I have a few doubts:Let us say that a native was born when Sa was in LIB. Now if there is full delay,should we consider then delay to be from the case when Sa moves from CAN -> PIS (0 degrees)or should we consider it to be from the case when LIB ->LIB(full cycle) -> PIS (0 degrees). I have many many more doubts about delay.I will ask them later. Thanks & Regards, Manu In , " ashsam73 " wrote: Dear Manu, Welcome back to the list. With Sagittarius lagna here are some observations Sa is in 7th, House B, It is LoA and it conjoins Venus who is LoC in navamsa so full delay. Guru is in Aquarius sign of delay casuing planet Shani so he cant check delay caused by Sa. So full delay.Please read point 5 in lesson in Lesson 24.Guru also aspects 7th house malefically and this also causes further delay. Cheers !!! Ash New Lesson " Vyavsaya Jatak " ( Occupation ) This is one of the branch of astrology, to determine the favorable occupation of the jatak. Earning and the occupation are two different things. If a person doing the work as per his liking, does not mean that he will earn more. Planetary position can decides the liking of the person, In which subject he can have his liking, in which subject a person can go ahead. How much money he can earn is entirely different thing. From the chart we can find out, in which line a person can utilise his capecity to maximum. A person may be in any occupation, or business, the earning is depends on his DHANYOG. A foolish wealthy person can get respect in the socity. A wise, but poor person donot get any respect in the society. That is the reason every person wants to earn money. Happiness can not be purchased by money, still it is undoubtably true that money is the main intrument to to get happiness. So every body, even a poor or wealthy person, is interested to know that how much wealth I will earn. To be a wealthy person, to get substantial money in life ( unearned money, lottery), or getting substantial money by own efforts, all these things are depends on planetary positions at the time of birth. A person can utilise his capecity to maximum possible. A vehicle speedometer is having speed to maximum may be up to 200 KMH, but a person can drive it up to the speed he can control it. This depends upon the capecity of the person. Same way a person can earn to his capecity. Still there is something different then work. A person gets ample money by the way of will, or by being adopted by some wealthy person, or by getting lottery, Here only the luck factor is responsible. In a perticular business one person gets substential money, and other in the same work looses every thing. Some person all of a sudden gets promosion and becames higher officer, other more capeble person gets redradation. All these are the game of stars. All these things we can read to some extent fron the birth chart, and can be utilised to some limit for benefit. The result of any house can not be determined from the sign in that house or the planets situated in that house. For this we must find the strength of these house and planets. Only the astakvarg system is the most reliable system which gives the correct strength of the planets and the houses. For finding the capebility of the person, we must know his brilliency, his memory, his grasping power. It can be decided, which line will be suitable for the person. The lord of 10th house and its samdharmi planets can guide, which line will be suiatable. This should be checked from the 10th house from Lagna, Sun and Moon. Fourth house indicates the knowedge. Karak for knowedge is Saturn. If Lagna, Sun and Moon are situated in the house owned by Saturn in Navamansha, Trishansha, and Dreshkona charts. If no one is situated in the house of Saturn then the person have sharpness of grasping below average. If in one house, person is some what brillient of average capecity. Two places means above average, and if three places then god memory and sharpness. ( This phenomenon can be used for rectification of the birth time ) Skill of the person depends upon the grasping power. More skillful work requires more sharpness of mind. some of the Work or business denoted by the 10th lord and its samdharmi as fallows: Sun: Then business related to Gold, ornaments, Speculations, Gove Services, Authority, Polytics, executors of any task, Factioory owner etc. Moon : Silver, liquid substances, Drinks, Eatable, Liquid medicines, liquor, Female utility materials, singing and cenema talkies etc. Mars : Militery, Police officer, Sergon, Skilled in opersating machines, buchers, Steel and cast iron work, Weapons and tools manufacturing, Constructional material, Blood and medicines which makes person unconsous are under the control of Mars. Mercury: Printing press, Books, publisher, news papers, post office, courier services, Insurence, writers, students, vehicles, railway, Computers soft wares etc. Jupiter: Civil court matters, Judges, advocates, solisitors, Professors, teachers, School, Colleges, Commercial sea services, transports eating houses, computers hardwares etc. Venus: Art and design works, actors, Dance, music, Pearls, tiolets, perfumes, graded eating houses, nursing homes, sweets makeup materials for womens etc. Saturn: Mines, Minerals, labors, granes, oil, lubricants, Wood, old man, farming, sanitation, all sorts of hard work. These are few works. Now with combinations of two ore more planets, this list can be un ending. After determination of the brilliency, and the suiable line, we should find out the earning, and favourable planets. The Worksheet is very important tool for this. From the work sheet we can find the most strong planet, and most strong house. The vertical total of every planet should be minimum 144, and must get minimum 12 points in 2, 5, 8, 10 and 11th houses. The planet which gets minimum 12 points for all the houses is more powerful. We should not go on the total only. It should not give negative points for any house. Suppose there are two planets say X and Y. Total of planet X is say 175, and that of Y is 150. Planet X is having less then 12 points for 10 and 11. other houses are having more points, where as Y is having minimum 12 points for all the house. Then Y should be treated as more powerful. Similarly We must find the total of the points gained by each planet for every house. The house which gets more then 12 points due to all the seven planets should be treated as strong. The total points should not be less then 84. ( IN MY LAST NOTES I HAVE WRITTEN BY MISTAKE 72, WHICH SHOULD BE CORRECTED.) Points against D,B,C and E houses agains 6th house should be less then 28. For Own work or higher posting these points should be in rising order. If deviation is more in the points of above houses, then it indicates service, or lower work. For higher authority, and for having subordinates under any person, lors of trine and centres should be samdharmi. ( they may be in same navamansha, or same sign.) The occupation can be sujjested for the strongest planets. It must be in relations to the capecity of the person. We will solve charts given by Shree Peterji, so more fundamentals will be clear. Can any body try it? I will give my comments on 23rd. krushna Dear Krushnaji, It is so uncanny, I looked at mine, and it completely describes the various work I do ! Thank you very much. I have one question : To ascertain if one is self employed or working for someone else even if the calculations show them to be in ascending order as in 2, 5, 8, 10 houses, how do I go about it ? With respects, Swee Dear Swee, The houses should be for 5th house = D(2),B(5),C(9) and E (10), instead you mentioned 2,5,8,10. If these points are in asending order, person gets success in A house Karkatva. So 5th house matters, Authority, Educations, Study of occult science, Adhyatmic matters, etc. Person likes to do some social work. This should be checked with Moon also, and mean should be taken. For self employed, or higher authority, we must see points for 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th house of the chart, from Lagna and Moon. krushna Respected Peterji, I have also searched my mail, in which I told about total of the points, But not found. In Feb end and complete march, My maximum mails delayed and might have lost. So I have changed my address. Now My mails are reaching with a click of button. For your reference I am puting it again here. The strength of the planet: The total of all points got by a planet for all the 12 house is considered as a overall strength of the planet. fOR A PLANET HAVING GOOD STRENGTH,It should not be less then 144. More over it should not get less then 12 points for any house. The planet which gets minimum 12 points for all the houses, and total is min 144 for all the houses is said to be benefic planet. Both the conditions should be fulfilled. Such planet will give benefic result. If such planet is 12th lord from house B, its result will be moderated for house B. (This phenomenon is used for Vastu shastra with Astakvarg base.) Strength of the house: The strength of the house is the total of all the planets for that house. ( Total of Row 17 ) This total should be Minimum 84 and points due to each planets should not be less then 12. Such house should be consdidered as strong. All the results indicated by that house can be experenced as benefic. (This is also used for fixing benefic direction of home in Vastu shashtra.) krushna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Dear Ramesh ji, Even i will say to you, Thank you very much Regards Anup --- On Mon, 8/12/08, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002Re: Re: Re: Learning KAS Date: Monday, 8 December, 2008, 9:36 PM Dear Nikhlesh Ji, I am attaching two docs.file for you. Hope this may help you. I had found it out from my pen drive where it was saved. Thanks Ramesh Mishranikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur@ rediffmail. com> wrote: Dear Ramesh ji, Yes, I am going through the lessons. I shall do it with greater concentration now.Actually it happens in all fields that one sometimes get stuck up on simple issues, which otherwise are not difficult.In free time I will try to search in the old mails of KAS.Anyways, thanks a lot for your reply.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Sat, 06 Dec 2008 ramesh mishra wrote :>Dear Nikhlesh Ji,> If you go through the lessons of Donna's website then all your doubt will be clear.> In that there is a separate lesson of Samadharmi.> If there is still any doubt understanding the points then we may clear your doubts but first go through the lessons.> Thanks> Ramesh Mishra>>nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur@ rediffmail. com> wrote:>>Dear Ramesh ji,>> Many thanks for your prompt reply.>The funda' is becoming clear day by day..>>Now suppose if Ma had 3 points and Me only 2 in Taurus sign then would it be that Me then controlled Ju inspite of Ma in enemy sign.>>The fewer points are important or being in enemy sign is important?>>Just one more point here.......;>>How Ju is SD to Ma ? Infact, can you please elaborate a bit your reply to point 3 below.>>Also when does actually a planet 4th from a weaker one, opposes the weaker one? Or, is it that it does not opppose? I am a bit confued here at the moment.>>Thanks for your time. Such questions came up because you explained it quite nicely.>>Regards,>Nikhlesh Mathur>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 ramesh mishra wrote :> >Dear Nikhlesh Ji,> > As per your query below is the answers of your question.> > 1.. Me is with 3 bindus and Ma is with 2 bindus in Taurus for Cp ascendant.>> > This means Ma is weak in 5th house and enemy to house owner.> > Here the weaker planet is Ma so Ma will control Ju and Ju will give points to Ma.>> > 2. No. Only weakest planet controls the planet with>4 bindus placed in 4th house from that planet.>> > 3. No Ju is SD to Ma.If antara of Ju comes first then Ju will step in for giving the result>> > 4.Yes. Explained in 1.> > Others may correct me if I am wrong anywhere.> > Ramesh Mishra> >> >nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur@ rediffmail. com> wrote:> >> >06.12.2008> >> >Sub : Learning KAS> >> >Dear Group Members,> >> > In continuation with the process of understanding the basic fundamentals of KAS, once again,> >> >My Query is:> >> >For example in Capricorn ascendant, Me & Ma are in 5th house with points BAV 3 & 2 respectively and Ju is in 8th house with BAV 5 points> >> >then;> >> >i) Out of Me & Ma which one will control Ju?> >> >ii) Is it that both of them will have control on Ju?> >> >iii) Is it that Ju will oppose both Me & Ma in its AD?> >> >iv) Will the power of the planets for the houses concerned play a bigger role in deciding which one will control Ju?> >> >Regards,> >Nikhlesh Mathur> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >------------ --------- --------- ---> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>>>>>>------------ --------- --------- ---> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Dear Ramesh, Hope you are well. How is your study on KAS is going? Next week I will be little bit free at work and will send you the email about my thoughts on the chart you were looking for Marriage. Over the months, I have collected some of the old archived mails from the group for my study. I am attaching those with this email. Take care Bala Dear Manu and Dadhi, Lets take 1 example from the lesson. Mercury in 4th house : Person lives in rented house ; has a good job. Of course it reduces maritial happiness. How do we come to these ? 1) For Aries lagna mercury is 3rd lord and 6th lord. House and Happiness from home is 4th house. Mercury is 12th lord from B.12th from B is not condusive to the result of 4th this we know.Now Mercury has gone into lagna and it is with more points. So such planets are eager to give results in general case but here there is an exception that is also given in our laws.If 12th from B goes to House D or E then it reduces the results of that house. So here it may give a house but it may be rented. 2nd point. : The person has a good job. Here 3rd lord and 6th lord is mercury. For 6th as B for job, 3rd house is LoD. At the same time Mercury has gone into Karak sthan with more points. LoD in House A with more points so it becomes even more eager to give good job in his antra. 3rd point : It reduces marital happines. Firstly its 6th lord. Secondly its with more points and in lagna aspecting 7th house with malefic dristi. So here it will reduce maritial happiness. So Like this others points can be read in terms of ABCDE houses. I am trying to write in short as I am busy with work.... this is how I started readig.. but I am still learning and hopefully Krushnaji can correct me if I am going wrong somewhere. Like this try to read all other planets and results give. I agree I am not 100% clear on the navamsa part in reference to what Dadhi said and would love if Krushnaji whenever he can comment on the same and give us guidance. Cheers !!!Ash Manu Batura <manubatura wrote: Dear Ash, If it was not Sun or Moon that we were considering, then 7 to 9 houses results can take place. 2 due to placement in D or E. 4 due to lordship of D or E. 1 to 3 due to aspects (can be malefic or benefic). Is that correct? Regards, Manu In , "ashsam73"wrote: Dear Manu, W.r.t your question on finding results for other houses, if you study the lesson think in terms of house ABCDE and u will get most of the answers.The results are for plantes with more points in a house.Taurus lagna with Sun in lagna with more points would means 4th lord in lagna with more points. So such a sun will become eager to give results for 4th house and 8th house. Here also Sun will aspect 7th house but its aspect cant be taken as malefic so its good for 7th house and 11th house results being loD and loe. If Sun is in the first 3deg20 and then next 3deg20 so in total first 6deg40 then its in navamsa of Shani (capricorn and aquarius) at the same time if the rising degree is first 3deg20 then navamsa rising will be capricorn and from 3deg20 to 6deg40 it will be in navamsa of aquarius. With our laws we know that Sun/moon/lagna in more sectors of Shani makes a person brilliant. Regarding the Vedic Astrology portion I will defer that part to Krushnaji. Like this you can think for all planets in particular house and for all lagnas. I hope that this gives you some guidance and like I am still learning and trying to undertand lesson 29 and for other lagnas too . I hope that helps. Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura" wrote: Dear Ash, Krushnaji, I have a doubt in lesson 29. It is stated that the statements are for Aries ascendant. How do we interpret for other ascendants. Should we cyclically rotate the houses as the lagna changes and will the interpretations stay the same? Do the degrees (qualitative) of the features change from lagna to lagna.I mean as vedic astrology characterises people as per their lagna, do we also do the same in KAS? Thanks & Regards, Manu Career change Respected Guru's and learned students, I am a new student and find this sight informative. My question is that career related.I left my job on May 28, 2004 to pursue a sales job. I am not happy with my decision and am wondering if I will find a suitable job in the near future. I am including my chart below for your reference. Any feed back would be much appreciated. Warm Regards, Debbie Natal Chart November 18, 1963 Time: 10:33:00 Time Zone: 8:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 121 W 29' 36", 38 N 34' 54" Sacramento, California, USA Altitude: 20.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Shobhana - Nija Karthika Tithi: Sukla Tritiya (Ma) (75.48% left) Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo) Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (5.27% left) Yoga: Sukarman (Ma) Karana: Taitula (Me) Hora Lord: Mars (5 min sign: Ge) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Cp) Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:55:27 Sunset: 16:46:29 Janma Ghatis: 9.0646 Ayanamsa: 23-20-52.47 Sidereal Time: 14:15:21 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 19 Sg 45' 48.74" PSha 2 Sg Vi Sun - DK 2 Sc 21' 14.86" Visa 4 Sc Cn Moon - AK 29 Sc 17' 49.26" Jye 4 Sc Pi Mars - AmK 24 Sc 12' 35.13" Jye 3 Sc Aq Mercury - PK 10 Sc 15' 03.42" Anu 3 Sc Li Jupiter ® - PiK 16 Pi 39' 55.02" UBha 4 Pi Sc Venus - MK 23 Sc 07' 50.16" Jye 2 Sc Cp Saturn - BK 23 Cp 46' 08.47" Dhan 1 Cp Le Rahu - GK 20 Ge 17' 47.06" Puna 1 Ge Ar Ketu 20 Sg 17' 47.06" PSha 3 Sg Li Maandi 22 Aq 02' 13.70" PBha 1 Aq Ar Gulika 7 Aq 24' 06.50" Sata 1 Aq Sg Bhava Lagna 26 Sg 35' 20.59" PSha 4 Sg Sc Hora Lagna 20 Aq 58' 35.16" PBha 1 Aq Ar Ghati Lagna 4 Le 08' 18.87" Makh 2 Le Ta Vighati Lagna 9 Sc 56' 57.44" Anu 2 Sc Vi Varnada Lagna 19 Sc 45' 48.74" Aswi 1 Sc Li Sree Lagna 0 Sg 46' 58.85" Mool 1 Sg Ar Dhooma 15 Pi 41' 14.86" UBha 4 Pi Sc Vyatipata 14 Ar 18' 45.14" Bhar 1 Ar Le Parivesha 14 Li 18' 45.14" Swat 3 Li Aq Indra Chapa 15 Vi 41' 14.86" Hast 2 Vi Ta Upaketu 2 Li 21' 14.86" Chit 3 Li Li Kaala 20 Ar 32' 59.70" Bhar 3 Ar Li Mrityu 25 Sc 01' 09.57" Jye 3 Sc Aq Artha Prahara 11 Sg 39' 41.22" Mool 4 Sg Cn Yama Ghantaka 0 Cp 45' 58.57" USha 2 Cp Cp Dear Debbie, Please cast your chart using Krushnas ayanamsa. Then our antras will match this system. You can find out the value from the worksheet in the file section on Krushnas ayanamsa. Here Venus in your chart is LoE for Job and Venus is placed in 12th house where Venus gets enhanced. Venus is also placed in its dhan sthan i.e 2nd from 11th house. Moon is with Ketu in lagna and getting 7th aspect of Rahu. You have 42 points in 10th house as compared to 32 points in 11th house. So a lot of effort you must put in to make income or might be getting lesser returns as compared to the effort you put in. Lagna points are 24 so u have an adjusting nature. Moon with Ketu in lagna though the distance is greater than 15 degrees will have effect. It will make u obsessive and passionate. Venus is also with Mars and in 12th house. Venus is very close to mars and they also come together in navamsa. There is full delay for your marriage but its moderated by Guru. So you might have met around 1985/86 i.e in Venus/Saturn antra as per Krushnas ayanamsa. Death of your husband is clearly seen. Mahadasha of Sun who is 3rd lord from 7th and in Antra of Jupiter who has the highest points for 2nd house caused seperation. Death happens in antra of highest points and Jupiter has highest points for 2nd house. You are back in relationship again since in Moon/Shani antra. Check shanis points for 5th and 12th. Coming to your job and change of job. You are in Venus antra. Venus has less points though its LoE for 6th house. At the same time points of venus is less in 11th house, 2nd house, 3rd house, 5th house, 6th house (LoE), 10th house, 11th house and 12th house. Since Venus is LoE it will give u job but no satisfaction from it. Income. More effort needed. However you will be optimistic and try to look at the brighter side of things. Due to your moon being aspected by Rahu you may take things to the extremes due to obsessive nature. Moon is also with Rahu in navamsa. 3rd house points are less in this antra so try not to loose your cool quickly. Shani and Guru's points are 8. So its good. You will make ends meet in some way or the other. Oh, you have the blessing of Guru or Father. This blessing will help you overcome difficult times. This is very powerful. The guys you date or are with in relationship u will love truely and will be practical about things. Period between 2001/01 thru 2002/08 might have been worry some for you. Might have had some toothaches and might have had some people at work trying to spoil your name. I am out of time... Can you comment on my analysis please. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, I have a few questions. Can you kindly let me know what is the behavior of ve in other houses also. Also Ash, isn't it correct that dhan stan is 2nd from lagna? Why was 11th house chosen in this case. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, 2nd house from any house is the dhan sthan of that house. Venus is in 2nd from own house in this case Venus owns 11th house. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Anil, I do not have much time however I did see your chart quickly. You just finished antra of Venus who has 11 point for 6th house but is in House D for 6th as B with 4 bindus and is 2nd lord. So defnitely it will give u a lot of worries. Sun antra just started. It has good points for 6th but its still has 12 for 11th and 17 points for 12th. So its showing more expenses than income. Again Sun is in 2nd house with 5 bindus so again it will be a period of worry but more stable for job. You also may have a strong desire to do business. About your family joining you if that is depending on you getting a stable job then sun antra is upto 2005/01/30. Then comes moon. Moon is showing some change in job for you in ketu mahadasha. Even Shani and Jupiter points are 7. So overall period of planet in 2nd house with more points, Sa + Ju points less than 8, more expenses than income is the flavour about Sun. Also its good for childbirth if you are trying. Cheers !!! Ash , "anil"<anilmunjanattu> wrote: Dear Mr.Ash, Let me request your help to locate the time where I can live with my family. I married in November 1997. Now I am at Middle East. Because of inconsistency of job, I could not bring them with me so far. Kindly see the period if I can settle down in my job and join with my family. DOB: 15th May 1967, Time: 5.58.25 am 76E16 9N58 (Cochin) India Wife's DOB: 10th June 1974, Time: 5.17.40 am 76E16 9N58 (Cochin)India Regards, anil Dear Manu, 10th house is for authority and 6th lord in 10th with more points makes one "allergic" to authority.. so might cause her to "rebel" or go against the advise of say elders or father or someone who has authority over her like elders or father or parents. Again Guru in in its uncha sthan so more multiplication factor. This is also coupled with 35 bindus in lagna along with close aspect of rahu on moon. In female chart you check both 11th house and 5th house for conception. Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Dear Ash, You have given interesting points to think about. There are so many factors that indicate problems.Also, the influence of rahu on moon to a close degree also indicates that she might have taken a crazy decision. I could not understand two points: 1. 6th lord in 10th. How does this effect? 2. For conception I think you are refering to 11th lord.Is that right? Does 11th house rule conception.And if the 11th house is weak does it mean that there shall be problems in conception? Thanks again for your points. Thanks & Regards, Manu In , "ashsam73" <ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Here are a few observations I think you can understand these If I just write them in point form. 1) 1 zero due to Mars in 12th 2) Lagna points 35 3) Moon aspected by Rahu with with 7th dristi (differnce < 4 deg) 4) 6th lord in 10th 5) Guru in libra 6) Venus to sun distance > 43deg20 and its aspected by Shani and Shani aspects a luminiary. 7) Venus in Moola. 8) Me and Ma is in House D for 7th. Me is 12th lord and LoD for 12th and Mars is LoD for 5th and 7th lord and is situated in 4th house and are SD. 9) 6th lord aspecting 2nd house (family) 10) All planets are affected by 6th lord. Ketu also is SD to 6th lord The time asked was for 20/5/1998 that falls in antra of Venus. From above points its showing multiple relations. There is no delay and for her to leave or elope there must be strong attraction. She might have come close the guy in Ketu antra. Ketu is in House E for 12th.She also has high points in lagna and moon afflicted by rahu. Venus antra lasts from 1998/02 thru 2001/04.Its in 3rd house so it is also triggering 6th and 10th house. Can you find out if she took up a job during this period. Yes, Venus also has less points for 2nd house it has 11 points so showing less happiness from family.If this lady eloped during the begining of Venus sector there is also chance for conception in Venus antra as Ve is LoD for 11th and with 20 points for 11th.. In any case it was good exercise. Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura" <manubatura> wrote: Dear Ash, and list members, I was informed that the girl ran away with a poor boy of low character causing immense grief to her family.It might be a good exercie to see why this happened from her chart even if it is a post analysis. Thanks & Regards, Manu In , "ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Did matters of 6th and 10th trigger. The native might have got some award or recognition or a change in job. Awating your answer. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Hi, My friend forwarded me a chart.The following are the birth details of a girl. 1/31/1979, 0:14am, Pune,India ASC: Lib 9:48 Can you describe what event happened on 5/20/1998? I think it is a somewhat difficult exercise.Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, Did matters of 6th and 10th trigger. The native might have got some award or recognition or a change in job. Awating your answer. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Denis, House A i.e. FK for 9th house is 4th house. 9th house includes Father. It also indicates higher education, Guru, Fortune amongts other thing. Now NK is Moon (4th house in kalpurush) chart. So NK governs the overall health of 9 house which includes father. Also remember we need to check functional karak too i.e. 4th house in Rasi chart. There are different school of thought. We follow 3rd for mother and 9th for father. I think this discussion was held in the past between Krushnaji and Das Guptaji. You can look up on the archives for the actual reasoning. If I get time I shall try to find it and post you the link. Now for Death of Father we consider 4th house as B. For natural death of father we check for highest points in 4th house just like we do for natural death for self from 8th house points, for death of spouse from 2nd house (8th from 7th house). Sun is Natural 5th lord. If you will notice keenly its Karak for 10th house for power, authority. 5th house is also the House of Crown. 5th house is kinda overall in charge of health of 10th house. Another way of looking at the same phenemon.. 5th house is also of degree or "Gain of Knowledge" i.e. 2nd house from 4th. 4th hosue is of knowledge and 5th is gain or wealth of it. Now if you get a good degree or a higher degree i.e. stronger is the 5th house.. you have more chances of getting a more "Authorative" job.... i.e. 10th house automatically becomes strong... when such thing happens even LOD and LOE get a boost. House "A" denotes the Quantum. That is why we start this theory with "A" and then go to "B" and so on. If "A" or Natural Karak and along with that if Functional Karak is spoilt that is "A" from your chart then sometimes even lords of House D and E who are eager to give results their power diminishes.... So try to see things from the view point of "A", "B","C", and samrudhni sthans "D" and "E". Hope that helps. Cheers !!! Ash , Labouré Denis <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > It will be helpful. I have a question about this theory. > > According to Krushna, the father is in the 9th house. For the 9th house, the 4th is the house A. So, Moon is the natural karaka for the father. There is an inconsistency somewhere. Should the father be in the 10th house, the Sun should be the natural karaka. > > What is your understanding of this point? > > Thanks a lot > Denis > > - > ashsam73 > > Monday, August 04, 2003 1:27 PM > My Personal Meet With Krushnaji - An Experience to Share > > > In another discussion I had with Krushnaji, he explained in short > that there was a huge theory behind House A,B,C and D and E. He had > received one of the highest jyotish awards in the India and also was > offerend a PhD for his system by Sri Lankan University and he was > offered to fly there and receive the honour but due to the situation > beyond his reach he was not able to go and receive the Doctorate. Dear Denis, Dymocks tests do not give past events. I do not know what is the basis for the time and its rectification. So I am not too keen on that. I am sure others members may be. I prefer to predict more of life events rather than find out when lightning struck or if someone won a lottery or when someones dog died !!! but that is MY PREFERENCE. For now I am more interested to learn the Ashtakvarg system more thoroughly. Maybe in future I may take part in such tests but for now I want to focus on understanding the system in more detail. I do not understand your question about being confused on timing of the event. Follow this procedure. 1) Select the correct antra based on the worksheet for timing of event. I am sure you can do that with whats taught. 2) Next step is break the antra into 3 equal parts. 3) Try to find the correct 1/3rd sector that the event will fall under. 4) Even if you consider Venus/Venus Mahadasha/Antra then max antra period you will get for the 1/3rd part is 13 months and 10 days and for Sun/Sun it would be 3 months. So basic range will be from 3 months roughly to 13 months roughly. 5) Now from that you can pick up the strongest significators and suns transit over it as you have said (or weakest significator for bad events). If you consider antra the leave that and take the other 2 periods and make a list of dates. 6) Things in India are done during good Mahurat. So after that see a good mahurat for the event to happen. For example when Sun is in Leo like now then people generally avoid marriages.. atleast till end October or early November that too you would have to find a proper Mahurat. I specificially do not know the reason or the philosophical reasoning for this but this is how it is and a lot of people in India follow that. Even if 20% of people follow that in India I think thats more population that entire Europe... !!! 7) I think if you follow procedures upto here you can narrow down the event to a few dates or even events upto 13 days either way. 8) If you further want to go in deeper then I think we will have to wait for Krushnaji to give us more lessons on that. I think till then we can practice what we have learnt so far Follow these steps and see how much success you get. All these things have been given in the lessons. Now coming to the worksheet about Sanjay. In my convesation with Krushnaji he was using yours and Sanjays worksheet. Sanjays worksheet is CORRECT and I have not worked with yours but since Krushnaji also uses it I assume its CORRECT. In fact I had put in the check for 6th lord in 6th house and Krushnaji told me to correct it and he confirmed that What Sanjay had done is CORRECT. So I went and changed my logic. So be rest assured that the the work you and Sanjay have done is proper. For timing what you and Sanjay have done is Proper. Now second part it to see the effect. If you read Krushnajis email to Margarita for Childbirth and Samdharmi recently you will see how hes considered points for Jupiter to be 14 instead of low. THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE SEPERATELY. So there is no anomalies. Hope that clarifies. Cheers !!! Ash Dear List Members, Here was one question Krushnaji had asked me when explaining 4:10 theory. I thought it was interesting.... So here it is.. Assume the following scenario. 1) Lagna : Libra and Mars is in 4th house (Capricorn) with 5 bindus. 2) Lagna : Leo and Mars is in 4th house (Scorpio) with 5 bindus. Assume that for Marriage i.e. House B = 7. How will Mars react for both cases. Hint : Here as per our laws Mars is in House D with 5 bindus and can give marriage in both cases but what is the difference i.e. overall result ? How will such a Mars act ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, I am a silent member but I have been following the discussions since Krushna started this list and I try to apply the principles in real life in order to see how they work. I cannot participate actively because I read the contributions during my working time. Also I am not a professional astrologer. As to your question: For Libra lagna, Mars rules the 2nd and 7th houses.These are related to marriage.Moreover Mars is exalted and occupy house "D" with 5 points. Since, it is located in the 10th from the 7th( Aries-Mars). The spouse shall be working mostly for himself. This may mean that he will have egoistic manner and will pursue his owns interests at the expense of the married life. For Leo Lagna, Mars rules and is placed in house "D" with 5 points. It is also located in the 10th from the 7th. Mars is sandharmi to Sun, lagna lord. This should lead to a more balanced married life. Please correct me if I am wrong, Cheers, Pingo dear philippe i would like to add in whatever you hv mentioned. for leo lagna-ascendent ,MARS IS the lord of4th house and the 9th house,so it is RAJYOGKARAK for leo lagna.although some importance-effect may get reduced, being badhakesh.( for lagna 2-5-8-11 lord of 9th house) with regards deepak --- philippe bonin <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I think that in both cases Mars can give marriage > but it is aspecting 7th > house. In the case of Libra lagna, Mars is not lord > of D nor E and its > aspect on 7th house has a value of -5. In the case > of Leo lagna Mars is lord > of D in D with more points and its aspect on 7th > house can't be bad. So if > my understanding is correct the result should be > better in the case of Leo > lagna. Please correct me if I'm wrong. > > Best regards > Philippe Hello Ash, Thank you for wharing this question. Yes, Mars can give results for both and Mars has also aspect on the same houses. So here it's a question of "quality" of the marriage meaning that Mars is different for Libra then for Leo asc For Libra asc Mars is the lord of the 2nd always creating problems. A worrysome lord that aspects 2 marriage houses or gives marriage in his sub is worse than one that is lord of 4th and 9th. which is the case for Leo asc Best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, Philippe, Pingo, and list members, All of you are close there is one more subtle difference. Yes Margarita a slight subtlity and yes its got to do with Quality. If someone ask about "Timing" in both cases Mars can furnish the result. What will be the quality ? There was a post by Krushnaji on this part ... Very good churning of thoughts.... If it helps.. I answered in a smiliar way and I also could not think of it..... and Krushnaji had a smile on his face and had told me to think again.... he he he... One more thing.. this point will make readings even more better.... Keep on thinking.. Good job guys.. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Deepak, We already consider ALL yogakaraks in this system indirectly. If you read the lessons on Samdharmis and read in detail on part of Natural Samdharmi you will understand this part. Even of Shani and Venus they are yogakaras for each others lagna... so in this system they become natural samdharmi and can step in for the other... i.e. if one is a strong significator and if it cant give result for some reason or the other like its period is far away and if the other gets the opportunity it will furnish the result... Shani and Venus are Natural Samdharmi Mars and Sun are natural samdharmi Mars and Moon are natural samdharmi. If the antra of say Mars was far and if Sun came in first it would furnish the result.. there is an exception that if Mars and Moon or Mars and Sun or Venus and Shani were in 1:7 position then They do not become Natural Samdhamari. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash hello Ash, I see you smiling when messages come in. Well enjoy the twistings of our minds. Now for Leo asc Mars IS LOD so the result of house B depends on this Mars in Scorpio. For Libra asc Mars is IN D being lord of A and D so here Mars can give results for "timing" the event of marriage but it will be Saturn LOD who will decide on the "quality" of the marriage. Well, am I on the right track ??? Hear from you Margarita Dear Margarita, You are kinda on the right track.. but its got more to do with 4:10 ... think.. ) Cheers !!! Ash Dear listmembers participating in trying to solve the 4/10 puzzle., I transmit part of my conversation I had with Ash on the web. He helped me out and I thought everybody could profit from it. Of course the solution is obvious, I just wasn't able to put the pieces together.... Here it comes ashsam73: if MARS with 5 bindus is in 4th house what will it to do 7th house ???? margarita: it's harming that house of course ashsam73: Perfect !!! ashsam73: Mars with 5 bindus WILL GIVE MARRIAGE BUT WHAT ABOUT QUALITY margarita: BAD QUALITY ashsam73: YES YES YES !!! ashsam73: so how can u interpret it.. ashsam73: hve u got my chart ? open it.. i will demonstrate it... quicky ashsam73: Venus is with 3 bnidus so it will OPPOSE 4TH HOUSE, its planet and HOUSE ashsam73: mars in sco in 4th house.. CANNOT HARM 7TH HOUSE as it's LOD. BUT in case where Mars is exalted.. it is not LOD or LOE so it will give -5 to 7th house AND oppose 7th house.. due to 4:10; and since Mars is in exaltation.. power will be felt as 5*1.4 = 7 bindus ( 1.4 is multiplcation factor) margarita: YES So, we see how this problem illustrates different things we learned : 1. lords of D and E don't harm house B 2. planets in own house or exaltation lose their quality as LOD and LOE 3.Planets oppose the 4th house and planets in that house (depends on the bindus) Best regards to all Margarita Dear Krushnaji,Margarita and list members, Just to add to that..and clarify something.. In both cases Mars can give marriage, but the quality will be different. Scenario : For Mars in Capricon with 5 bindus and in 4th house ----------------------------- 1) Mars in capricorn in 4th house with 5 bindus will cast a dristi of -5. (It will be FELT like -7 due to the fact that Mars is in Capricorn). 2) Since Mars is with 5 bindus in House D as per our law given in lessons it will act like LOD and will furnish the result and the result will be felt is like +7 (due to it begin in its exaltation state so use multiplication factor of 1.4 so its 5 bindus * 1.4 is the FEELING and not to be considered for timing). Also such a mars will aspect 11th house i.e House C and House B. 3) Now we know that Mars has 3 dristis so such a powerful mars will be good for house its placed it but will cast dristi of -5 (felt like -7 this part we need to consider in your mind) 4) Also we need to consider the fact that such a Mars with 5 bindus will oppose 7th house but help the 1st house.. i.e planets with high bindus OPPOSE house from them and help the house in 10th from them.. and that too being exalted to effect "Felt" will be of higher degree. 5) So interpret such a result... Yes such a Mars will give marriage but it may also take it away or cause a seperation ... or basically oppose 7th house matters and results felt will be with POWER due to it being exalted i.e. felt like after multiplying by 1.4. Scenario : For Mars in Scorpio with 5 bindus and in 4th house ----------------------------- 1) Mars is in own sign Scorpio in 4th house with 5 bindus so its in House D and itself is LOD so *though* it has 5 bindus it CANNOT cast -5 bindus and reduce the result of House B i.e. 7th hosue and House C i.e. 11th house. Infact its result will be felt is much better due to fact that its in own house and Multiplication factor is 1.2 2) Such a Mars with 5 bindus cannot oppose 7th house and it will also help the 1st house. Also notice that LOE is also natural samdharmi to Mars. i.e. House E is Cancer and its lord is Moon. So D and E are samdharmis. 3) So results felt by such a Mars will be beneficial. Here due to the fact that Mars is in own sign its multiplication factor is also higher so overall good results for Marriage. Krushnaji, Please feel free to correct me if I have missed out on any other vital point. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hello Tushar, Sorry for the delay, was busy. Now, if you are following the system, you will see that death of father (with Krushna ayanaamsa) is in Saturn/Venus. july 1985 Father is 9th house, death of father is 8th from the 9th = 4th Venus is LOC and LOD for the 4th and has 31 points in the worksheet Main dasa lord is lord A or the Sun and Sun is in Saturn's nakshatra. So here we see the relationship between mahadasa lord and LOA changing job for the better was again in Venus antar (Mercury/Venus) in september 2000 Venus is house LOD and C for the 10th, she is also in D. Venus scores high agin for 10th and 11th. These events match with the chart so I suppose it's correct. I asked Krushna to have a look at this chart. You will also see that we have here again Mars in Capricorn for Libra asc. Here of course Mars has only 4 points and collects the points from Venus but nevertheless Mars exhalted in Capricorn will oppose the 7th house of marriage Hope you got it ?? Best regards Margarita Tushar wrote: > hello margarita > > according to sugession I have tried to findout any > major event of his life but there is not much. I could > find only two major events in his life. > > (1) He lost his father in July 1990 > (2) He changed his job with the change of city in > September 2000 and find considerable difference in job > satisfaction as well remuneration. > > rest part of his life does not contain any major > incidence of event > > I hope this may help > > regards, > > Tushar Dear Margarita, I just went through the chart. I think there is something not right. The death of father was not in Shani/Venus but in Shani/Rahu and in July 1990 and not July 1985. Change of Job was in Sept 2000 in Merc/Venus as you have said. Points in 12th are low i.e 11 and Shani is LOE and venus is its natural samdharmi so it may step in. So this move should be a happy move. Venus is LOD for 4th house so again eager to give 4th house things. Points in 5th house is high and so is 6th and so is 10th and 11th. So this event sort of fits.. but death of father.. I am not too sure.. Rahu represents Mars and Shani. Shani is LOE for 11th house.. so it should give life... so I am not too sure of this event.. however I may be wrong.. Still am not convinced of the accuracy of birth time. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Krushnaji, Margarita, Donna and list members, Margairta, thank you very much for writing this up I really appreciate it. I shall try to make this as simple as possible for the members and hopefully it will be of least effort for Donna. It will be nice though to add just simple diagrams or charts. I shall try to elucidate this thing further for the list members and Krushnaji please feel free to correct if I have not understood anything correctly which can be a possibility. Uptill now if we focus and understand the lesson we can predict the correct antra. There has been a lesson on narrowing down things further. In addition to this and if possible we can add this part to the existing lesson with a few diagrams or charts to demonstrate some important principles. Philosophy and approach to narrowing down to the proper 1/3rd part in the antra: --- Lords of D and E are always EAGER to give results. Lords of D and E are special in this system. Lord of D is 10th from the house under focus and Lord of E is the 6th house from the house under focus. So when they get an opportunity the try to give result quicky and on the double. We all know that Shani is the delay causing planet. Now also Guru is a delay causing planet. Guru can delay things due to it being slow moving planet. This was covered in the lesson for delay in marriage. A Specific law : ----------------- If the delay causing planet is also the lord of D or E and if in ITS antra its causing the event then the event will happen in the first 1/3rd part of its antra. Example scenario. ----------------- 1) Libra lagna, Shani in 5th in Aquarius. LOD is Capricorn. No Zeroes in SAV. Here assume that Shani is causing Full delay i.e. upto 27.5 years. So as per lesson so far if there was full delay for the event then event would take place in the LAST 1/3rd part or sector of the antra. Now if here for example for Marraige, Shani is causing full delay but Shani itself is giving result due to it being LOD then in Shanis antra the event will take place in the 1st 1/3rd part or sector of shanis antra. 2) Scenario 2 - Libra lagna, 1 Zero in SAV and Shani in 5th. In this scenario is similar to first one, except there is 1 zero in SAV. In this case, Shani due to the fact that its LOD will try to give the result in the 1st 1/3rd part of its antra BUT there is 1 zero in SAV to this may push the event to 2nd part or the 2nd 1/3rd sector in the antra OF LOD ONLY. 3) Scenario 3 - Libra lagna, 2 Zeroes in SAV and Shani in 5th. Again similar to scenario 2 but here there are 2 Zeroes in SAV so event will get pushed to 3rd 1/3rd sector. These things we must keep in mind when narrowing down to the proper 1/3rd sector. Another Concept --------------- Say for a particular planet points are low and its a period of difficulty or emmense struggle for a native. The after that antra another antra starts which is very good for all houses. Lets continue with the example of marraige. The antra in the past was very difficult overall and assume a new antra has started which is very good overall and can give the event. Then in such a case it takes time for the new antra to was out the old antras difficult period.. just like when one is sad and then one watches a comedy movie .. it takes some time to get into the "fun" mood and then start to laugh... In such a case give the event 2nd 1/3rd sector.. and leave the 1st 1/3rd sector for it to "kinda get in the mood phase". This part what I have written, Krushnaji can you please check this part and correct me if I had not understood you correctly. I request List members to look at their charts and verify the same. If they feel that their charts will help other list members learn please feel free to post the chart and the event with the proper date and we can see how these laws fit and if not then we can try to study the reason behind it. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , margarita lettens <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > > Hello Donna, > > I had a conversation with Ash where he explained the finesses about > delay. I thought it could be interesting to put this on the "files > section" so members who become interested can find it there in the future. > > > > When Saturn aspects houses A,B and C for an event, we know there is > full delay. > > Let's take an example Libra asc and Saturn in Aquarius, the 5^th house. > > (perhaps we could draw the picture here) > > Now this delay is modulated according to the following laws : > > But in this case Saturn is also LOD (lord of D) and eager to give results. > > If the event ( marriage) takes place in the delay causing planet and if > this planet is LOD or LOE, then the event will take place in the first > 1/3 part of the antar dasa > > > > Now imagine that there is 1 zero in the SAV table, then the delay will > be moved to the 2^nd part of the antar dasa. > > > > Suppose there are 2 zeros in the SAV table, then the delay will move to > the 3th part of the antar dasa. > > > > With this in mind we will be able to come much closer to the timing of > the event. > > > > Jupiter can also act as a delay planet because he is slow moving and can > aspect either one of the houses A, B or C or their lords. > > > > The same is true for the other planets. > > Suppose Venus is giving an avent. Venus is fast moving so the event is > going to happen in the 1^st part of the antar dasa. But 1 zero in the > SAV table will move the event to the 2^nd part and 2 zeros to the 3th part. > > > > It would be great if Ash could bring eventual corrections or more > explantation and if Donna then could put it in the files section after > having submitted it to Krushna to make sure everything is correct. Dear Philippe and List Members, There were some points that I had got confused which during my conversation with Krushnaji got clairifed and it made a lot of sense. I shall try to put down what I can think of so that its out here on the web. Based on this we can look at the charts that Philippe has given. Quality of Job -------------- This you can see through planet placement in the chart. What kind of profession ------------------------ 1) This you can see from 10th lords from Lagna, Sun and Moon and thier placements in Navamsa and its lords can show the inclination of the person. 2) Even planets in 10th house from lagna, sun and moon with high bindus their positions in Navamsa also can give the inclination. 3) DBCE points i.e. 3:6:10:11th house points to be seen. If they are in ascending order then business is indicated or high authority position like CEO. 3:6:10:11 in ascending order shows the grace of the Karak i.e. 1st house which deals with nature and personality. So in order for a person to do business he must have the personality, daring etc. 3 > 6 > 10 > 11 means good parakram or courage (3) more social status (6) more authority (10) and even more returns i.e. income (11) and this is for Karak i.e. house 1. Hence 3:6:10:11 shows the grace of House A which is lagna. 4) MOST IMPORTANTLY .. REFER TO LESSON ON OCCUPATION ANALYSIS FROM FILE SECTION. This is for timing. ------------------ Starting of a Job. As we know that starting of any Good event happens in the strongest significator or its samdharmi or LOD and LOE. 6th house is for Job. If you ask a question Why 6th house for Job ? The answer lies here. For everything we start with House A. Its the most important. House A as we call it Karak house controls the health of House B. So if we consider Job, it means starting of INCOME which is 11th house. So if we consider 11th house as B then House 6 becomes House A. So that is why we consider 6th house for INITIATING OF INCOME meaning Job. If you think more closely for ANY event house A controls the quantum and the overall health. If House A is weak for any reason then the overall Quality of House B suffers and even House D and E as they are special in this system as they are always eager to give results also indirectly become weak. Krushnaji had advised me to study House A very carefully and I guess thats why we start the scheme of ABCDE with the Karak house as first house to See and hence A. For TIMING we refer to worksheet and then decide. What kind of job etc we can see from planetary position. We should also keep this point in mind. So start of any job i.e starting of income we check stongest significator for 6th house or LOD or LOE or samdharmi to strongest significator. We also should consider Desha, Kaal, Paatra too just like finding a proper age for getting a job can be after 18 years or so.. or in some places lesser then 18.. my point being if the antra of a strong significator is runing at the age of 4 years old the kid cannot do a job.. so some common sense should be applied too...lol.. NOW AFTER U SEE THE STARTING OF JOB we then MOVE over to 5th house points. I asked Krushnaji, Why 5th house ? He replied that why did I select 6th from Job so I said cause its Karak for 11th house. Now he said after you get a job what do u get. I said Authority.. and then the answer was clear. Authority is 10th house and Karak for Authority was 5th house (being 8th from 10th house) in the same way 8th from 11th house (income) was 6th house. So if planet then has low points for 5th house then that could show ups and downs in job. You can then go in finer using Transits of Sun etc to narrow down details.. but for now its just high level to understand why we are using such houses as step 1. Also think of it this way, if House A "authorises" then House B event will take place. The more stronger is House A more higher "quantum" will the result of House B will be. Another thing we also need to see is the Points difference between 11th and 12th house in the worksheet for each Antra. If points of 11th are lower than 12th [NOT SAV BUT FOR EACH PLANET] then it means that during that ANTRA expenses will be more than Income. Also study 10th house similarly as compared to 11th and 12th and it will show the effort one puts in that antra for the income he receives........ THIS PART IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT. For example .. Higher is the degree (5th house for degree) then person will have more change to get a HIGHER AUTHORITY job (10th house). Krushnaji, can you please add your comments if I am confused about anything that I have written here. With this in mind we can take some charts and start to study for Job, Job Changes. So if List Members can share some charts with event dates we can see if it follows this chain of high and low points for 6th, 5th, and also look at 10th, 11th and 12th points as per the worksheet so see if someone changed jobs for better prospect etc. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Krushnaji and List Members, This was a chart that came to me from a list member. The question was "Why am I having cash flow difficulty from the past 3-4 years but it seems to be getting better ?" This is the data. I think a little rectification might be needed which I have not.. instead I am going to ask the list members to make an attempt to time the following. Data of the Native : March 8th, 1967 17:40 IST 26N17 73E04 India. 1) When did this person marry ? 2) He had 2 children 1 boy and 1 girl when were they conceived ? 3) Is this gentleman doing business or is in service ? 4) What is his profession related to ? 5) Why was he having cash flow problems for the past 4/5 years but seems to be improving now? Krushnaji, a few things need clarification on this chart. 1) I attempted this chart as a blind analysis, got the antra right for point 1 however did not get the correct 1/3rd sector right. 2) Got point 3 ok however point 2 was not very clear w.r.t first child birth being a boy. 4) Did not get the profession right. 5) Was not clear on point 5 and I specifically thought this chart might be good for studies for me as well as list members to see trends.. 6) The native has 1 zero point in 9th house so its not clear about children... A few more questions... I shall wait till list members attempt this chart. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash dear ash, attempt to work out timings. 1) marriage might hv taken place before 30--10--1993. guru/guru 2)if marriage has taken place as above 1st child before 30-10-1993. ( boy?) 2 nd child between 12 05 1996 to 18 08 1998. 3)might be doing service cum business. teaching profession--but subject might be related to ART. 4)financial difficulties (jup/ketu--jup/ven ) jupiter located in 12th house and lord of 5th house and 8th house. with regards, deepak Dear Deepak, Very good attempt. Can you please give reasoning and justification for these things so that list members understand. Can you also give a more specific answer for marriage ? Before 30/10/1993 is vague.. I am not gettign what system are you using. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, I'm making an attempt on the chart you gave. As for marriage, Venus is conjunct to Saturn and in Saturn's navamsa. It is aspected by Jupiter in rasi and navamsa although the aspect in rasi is negative. So I would say moderate delay (around 24 I guess for India). Rahu/Mars seems good because Rahu is samdharmi to venus NK and Mars is LOD for 7th house. The end of Mars' antra seems compatible with delay so it could be the beginning of 1991. As for children, Jupiter is NK and is in 12th house (A) with 6 points, so its mahadasha is good. It is LOE for XII with good score and in house A for V with more points so could give conception for first child. Mercury is LOD for V with acceptable score for XII and good score for V so I think Mercury's antra also gave a child. Now for job as III, VI, X, XI are in ascending order (though not strictly ascending) I think he could have his own business. Mercury and Sun are aspecting first house, this is often an indication for job linked to high technology, computers... We also find Venus (10th lord and 10th lord from Chandra lagna) and Mars (10th lord from Surya lagna) in Saturn's navamsa, which could denote technical ability. As for cash flow problems, I don't understand why the current antra (Moon) is bringing better results because it has low points for 2nd house. Mercury's antra didn't seem good (because Mercury is conjunct to first lord, 12th from II), nor Ketu samdharmi to Mars and Venus (which have low points for II), and Venus isn't better. As for Sun, it is first lord afflicting Mercury second lord by conjunction. Well, just an attempt... Best regards Philippe Dear Philippe, Its not just only an attempt but a brilliant one !!!!! You will realise why I said that once I give the answer. I shall wait for a bit more before others try to attempt before I give the answer. Care to go into a little more details i.e. get the right 1/3rd sector for marriage and child birth (conception) now that you have selected the antras... There is also a very important factor for the reason why the native faced financial difficulty and I know you know it, you are just over looking it. Hint Follow Shanis transit and look at SAV points... Very very Good... Looking forward to your response. You should try to select the proper 1/3rd sector and make an attempt in that way reasoning and understanding will get cleared for the procedure. Hint for marriage, Check where Mars is placed w.r.t. ownership of house, yes its LOD but where is it placed w.r.t. House D ??? Think over these points.... I think you can get it right on the dot.. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, thank you for your feed-back. I'm not comfortable yet with the 1/3rd portions of antras but I'll make a try. As for financial difficulties, I think I see your point: from April 1998 to June 2000 Saturn was transiting Aries where it gets 0 point. Aries is in ninth house ie house A for II=B (financial questions). It shouldn't have been good. So maybe it improved when Saturn's transit in Aries ended. Now trying to narrow down the timing of events, as for marriage, Mars is in Saturn's navamsa but aspected by Jupiter. So it could give 2nd 1/3rd portion and it would be earlier as I thought. For first child's conception, Jupiter is slow moving but in sign and navamsa of Moon which is fast so maybe first 1/3rd portion?? For second child, Mercury is in Saturn's sign and navamsa but is LOD for V so maybe 2nd 1/3rd portion ? I don't know if my reasoning is relevant nor if I used the indications you gave me properly. Anyway, it's fine to do such exercises. Thanks and best regards Philippe Dear Philippe, One more thing, check which planet is giving 0 to 9th house. And the thing is that it will affect the karaktwa of the planet thats giving 0 i.e. no support from that planet. If Shani is giving 0 points to 9th house then in the chart check Shani hold karaktwa for which house. Those house will not help... About 1/3rd part, consider the follwing, 1) Check what the delay is if its moderate then 2nd 1/3rd sector, if its early then 1st 1/3rd sector and full then last 1/3rd sector. 2) After checkign point 1 then check the planet giving result. If that planet is LOD or LOE then its very eager to give result. So it will try to give immediately as antra starts. 3) After that check if there are any zeroes. If 1 zero then even if its LOD or LOE so ideally it would be 1st 1/3rd sector but now it will move to 2nd 1/3rd sector... if there are 2 zeroes then it will move to 3rd 1/3rd sector. There may be slight variations of these rules.. but lets go with these for now and other variations will come out with more practice. Its not that complicated. So make an attempt with these rules and see. Practice will only makes things clear. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear List Members, Can members who have had multiple job changes or major financial ups and downs or something like huge hike in pay due to change of job or may have lost a lot of wealth or income suddenly for some reason or the other. Can List Members come forward with such charts if you have any with the following data. 1) Date Of Birth 2) Place of Birth 3) Time of Birth 4) Country of Birth and DST if applicable. 5) Job - From and through dates OR 5) Financial ups or downs - From dates and Through dates. 6) Overall feeling of good fortune or bad like for example "Someone may experience this for about 15 years of good / bad fortune" Some Past events to verify the chart a) Marriage date b) Date of birth of children c) Sickness / Accidents if any d) Death of any relative e) Misc dates if you can think of any that may help. I would like to study such charts in detail and discuss them on the list using Ashtakvarg System. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear List Members, I would like to submit my chart for this analysis. I am a real estate salesperson and have been trying to use ashtakavarga system to analyze when sales come. I have dates of when contracts were written and dates when I was paid. My information is as follows. Date of birth: June 1, 1966 Place of birth: Kansas City, MO Time Zone 6 Lat: 39 N 06 Lon 94 W 34 Time of Birth: 2:11 am CST United States Started selling Real Estate in February of 2000 until now I receive large sums of money but very sporadically. Past Events Marriage date: 10-20-1990 Birth of Children: 3-16-1984 4-12-1989 2-2-1992 Had a major accident on 12-9-1995. Suicide of my half-brother on 1-1-1996 Dates when I have written contracts this year are as follows: 5-10-2003 2-11-2003 3-28-2003 5-30-2003 6-10-2003 The year of 2002. I had very little income, this year has been better but still up and down. Thank you Stacey Dear Stacy, I just casted your chart and tried to match the events of your marriage and child birth. Except the first child none of the events match. I am getting your marriage in Moons antra that has -1 points. Also its aspecting house B so itself has no power to give results. First child conception in in Merc antra i.e. 4th house lord who is LOE so that fits. 2nd child's conception july 88. Now if conception happend in Venus antra i.e. very end then Venus is LOD for 11th house so conception is possible if it happened in Suns antra then Sun has only 6 points in worksheet for 11th house so venus antra is ok.. but sun though karak but hmm.. 3rd child's conception is may 1991 i.e. in Mars antra. Mars again has only 7 points for 11th house and is aspecting House A for conception house i.e. 11th house as B so 6th is A and mars aspects it. How confident are you of your time of birth Stacy ? Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Stacey, You were married in 1990 but you had children in 1984/03. Now If I consider *that* as your marriage date then it falls in Mercury's antra and that has highest points for 7th house and it fits. I guess things are more straight forward in India.. as compared to the west... I guess.. I am just not getting proper reasoning for 3rd child. Krushnaji and Margarita, can you confirm if Mars being LOD for 5th house can it give conception for a Female chart ??? 1) DBCE points are in ascending order so Business is indicated. 2) 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Sun, Shani.. (does it point to real estate ??) 3) lagna, sun and moon in 2 spots in navamsa, drekkhan and trimsamsa in sign of shani so good intellegence. 4) High points in SAV for 1st house. You started your business in Venus antra. Using Krushnas Ayanamsa around the time when mahadasha changed so karaktwa of Shani getting over and that of Mercury starting. So idea must have come during that time to do something on own. At that time MErcury antra was running and Mercury is with 5 bindus and in 3rd house so its very eager to give results for 6th and 10th i.e. (4th and 8th fom itself as its in House D of 6th house with high bindus and House E of 10th with 5 binds). So due to this fact you might have kept your job. Points in Mercury for 10th , 11th and 12th hosue are 17,15 and 4. MErcury is LOE for 11th and LOD for 10th so eager to give power and Income and at that time expense might have also been low so more savings. Then came Ketu antra and ketu is samdharmi to Guru and Mars. Again This antra will have mixed results. Mars is 2nd lord so Ketu antra will also have stress, unessasory tention or tooth aches. If you notice the following 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4 Mars 8 8 4 Guru 6 18 10 So here Ketu represents Mars and Guru so there will be on an average much lower results in "quantum" as compared to Mercury antra that might have been fantastic..... can u confirm the same please.. Now Since 2000/12 thru 2003/20 the native is running Antra of Venus. Venus is in 2nd house with High points. This will bring stress as being placed in 2nd house with high points. Such people with planets in 2nd with high points it might cause false accuasation also. Since it has high points it will boost 11th house but Oppose 5th house so native will have to work harder in this antra but income will be there.. Antra 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4 ----------------------------- Mars 8 8 4 Guru 6 18 10 ----------------------------- Venus 19 18 10 So compared to Ketu antra it will definitely be better at the same time person may also have to work harder than Ketu antra for the income. Expenses will be about the same. For 11th house (income) high planets getting high points are Mercury, Guru and Venus. Ketu represents Guru and Rahu represents Venus. So when sun transits House and Sign of these grahas better results for "income" can be expected. Points of Venus for 11th house Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 6 8 7 15 18 18 5 -- -- -- Based on that lets study the dates keeping in mind that venus antra is running. 1)5-10-2003 On 10/5 i.e May 10th Sun was transitting Sign and constellation of Venus and Mars. (Venus has 18 points) 2) 11/2/2003 i.e Suns transit into Shani and Mars (does not fit) however if it were between Feb 20th and March 4th then sun would have transitted Shani and Rahu and Rahu = Venus... so again that would fit.... [Can you confirm about this contract was there any revision or re-writing ??] 3) 28/3/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Jupiter and Saturn (Guru has high points) 4) 30/5/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Sun (Venus has high points) 5) 10/6/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Mars. (Venus has high points) So in this way you can check how Venus is appearing and Guru is appearing... going forward when Sun transits Gemini or Virgo also some better results as Mercury also has higher points... If you study your lifes income trends then you will notice that whenever sun transitted Signs or Nakshatra of Mercury, Guru, Venus and Constellations of Rahu and Ketu you might have got someing positive for income... On the same token if you also notice difficult times for income can be when Sun transits Sign of Sun, Moon, Mars and Saturn and excluding constellations of Guru, Mercury, Venus, Rahu and Ketu. There is a lesson on probable date finder in the file section you can download the same and find out the probable dates... and times for achieving success. Assuming your chart is correct this can show you how to approach this. Now another thing you can check... is this 1)5-10-2003 on 10/5/2003 total points were 198. 2) 11/2/2003 total points were 198. 3) 28/3/2003 total points were 222. So higher level of stress as antra of 2nd lord is running 4) 30/5/2003 total points were 187 so much more relaxed but felt that u had lesser control... 5) 10/6/2003 total points were 191.. so things were upbeat as compared to 30th of May but more stress too..... Can you please confirm the same... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash I have tried to answer your questions in Caps below. Stacey Hoffmann ashsam73 [ashsam73] Friday, August 22, 2003 1:47 PM Re: Request for Members - Submit Charts for Job/Financial Analysis Dear Stacey, You were married in 1990 but you had children in 1984/03. Now If I consider *that* as your marriage date then it falls in Mercury's antra and that has highest points for 7th house and it fits. I guess things are more straight forward in India.. as compared to the west... I guess.. YES I LEFT HOME AT THE AGE OF 16 DUE TO PROBLEMS WITH FATHER. I am just not getting proper reasoning for 3rd child. Krushnaji and Margarita, can you confirm if Mars being LOD for 5th house can it give conception for a Female chart ??? IF MARS AND VENUS HAVE EXCHANGED PLACES, CAN MARS BE SANDHARMI FOR VENUS? 1) DBCE points are in ascending order so Business is indicated. 2) 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Sun, Shani.. (does it point to real estate ??) 3) lagna, sun and moon in 2 spots in navamsa, drekkhan and trimsamsa in sign of shani so good intellegence. 4) High points in SAV for 1st house. You started your business in Venus antra. Using Krushnas Ayanamsa around the time when mahadasha changed so karaktwa of Shani getting over and that of Mercury starting. So idea must have come during that time to do something on own. At that time MErcury antra was running and Mercury is with 5 bindus and in 3rd house so its very eager to give results for 6th and 10th i.e. (4th and 8th fom itself as its in House D of 6th house with high bindus and House E of 10th with 5 binds). So due to this fact you might have kept your job. Points in Mercury for 10th , 11th and 12th hosue are 17,15 and 4. MErcury is LOE for 11th and LOD for 10th so eager to give power and Income and at that time expense might have also been low so more savings. YES I DID KEEP MY JOB FOR A WHILE AND EXPENSES WERE LOW AT THIS POINT. Then came Ketu antra and ketu is samdharmi to Guru and Mars. Again This antra will have mixed results. Mars is 2nd lord so Ketu antra will also have stress, unessasory tention or tooth aches. If you notice the following 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4 Mars 8 8 4 Guru 6 18 10 So here Ketu represents Mars and Guru so there will be on an average much lower results in "quantum" as compared to Mercury antra that might have been fantastic..... can u confirm the same please.. YES, EXACTLY RIGHT. STRESS WAS HIGHER, EXPENSES WENT WAY UP, AND BUSINESS WENT DOWN. Now Since 2000/12 thru 2003/20 the native is running Antra of Venus. Venus is in 2nd house with High points. This will bring stress as being placed in 2nd house with high points. Such people with planets in 2nd with high points it might cause false accuasation also. Since it has high points it will boost 11th house but Oppose 5th house so native will have to work harder in this antra but income will be there.. Antra 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4 ----------------------------- Mars 8 8 4 Guru 6 18 10 ----------------------------- Venus 19 18 10 So compared to Ketu antra it will definitely be better at the same time person may also have to work harder than Ketu antra for the income. Expenses will be about the same. For 11th house (income) high planets getting high points are Mercury, Guru and Venus. Ketu represents Guru and Rahu represents Venus. So when sun transits House and Sign of these grahas better results for "income" can be expected. Points of Venus for 11th house Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 6 8 7 15 18 18 5 -- -- -- Based on that lets study the dates keeping in mind that venus antra is running. 1)5-10-2003 On 10/5 i.e May 10th Sun was transitting Sign and constellation of Venus and Mars. (Venus has 18 points) 2) 11/2/2003 i.e Suns transit into Shani and Mars (does not fit) however if it were between Feb 20th and March 4th then sun would have transitted Shani and Rahu and Rahu = Venus... so again that would fit.... [Can you confirm about this contract was there any revision or re-writing ??] FINAL DATE ON THIS CONTRACT WAS REACHED FEB. 13TH 3) 28/3/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Jupiter and Saturn (Guru has high points) 4) 30/5/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Sun (Venus has high points) 5) 10/6/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Mars. (Venus has high points) So in this way you can check how Venus is appearing and Guru is appearing... going forward when Sun transits Gemini or Virgo also some better results as Mercury also has higher points... If you study your lifes income trends then you will notice that whenever sun transitted Signs or Nakshatra of Mercury, Guru, Venus and Constellations of Rahu and Ketu you might have got someing positive for income... On the same token if you also notice difficult times for income can be when Sun transits Sign of Sun, Moon, Mars and Saturn and excluding constellations of Guru, Mercury, Venus, Rahu and Ketu. There is a lesson on probable date finder in the file section you can download the same and find out the probable dates... and times for achieving success. I HAVE ONLY DISCOVERED THE LIST 2 WEEKS AGO AND AM STILL GOING THROUGH THE LESSONS. I HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THIS LESSON YET. Assuming your chart is correct this can show you how to approach this. THIS IS THE BIRTH TIME ON MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE. I HAVE NOT RECTIFIED IT YET BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IT NEEDS RECTIFICATION. Now another thing you can check... is this 1)5-10-2003 on 10/5/2003 total points were 198. 2) 11/2/2003 total points were 198. 3) 28/3/2003 total points were 222. So higher level of stress as antra of 2nd lord is running 4) 30/5/2003 total points were 187 so much more relaxed but felt that u had lesser control... 5) 10/6/2003 total points were 191.. so things were upbeat as compared to 30th of May but more stress too..... YES THE LEVELS OF STRESS YOU MENTION ON EACH OF THESE IS CORRECT. Can you please confirm the same... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , "Stacey Hoffmann" <spaceyhoff@e...> wrote: > Dear List Members, > I would like to submit my chart for this analysis. I am a real estate > salesperson and have been trying to use ashtakavarga system to analyze > when sales come. I have dates of when contracts were written and dates > when I was paid. My information is as follows. > Date of birth: June 1, 1966 > Place of birth: Kansas City, MO Time Zone 6 Lat: 39 N 06 Lon 94 W 34 > Time of Birth: 2:11 am CST > United States > > Started selling Real Estate in February of 2000 until now > > I receive large sums of money but very sporadically. > > Past Events > Marriage date: 10-20-1990 > > Birth of Children: > 3-16-1984 > 4-12-1989 > 2-2-1992 > > Had a major accident on 12-9-1995. > Suicide of my half-brother on 1-1-1996 > Dates when I have written contracts this year are as follows: > 5-10-2003 > 2-11-2003 > 3-28-2003 > 5-30-2003 > 6-10-2003 > The year of 2002. I had very little income, this year has been better > but still up and down. > Thank you > Stacey Hello Stacey, Welome to the list. I saw Ash did a good analysis about your chart. As you are learning, i thought it interesting to point out some particularities in your chart that are important in the system 1) Saturn has 6 points in the 1st, quite exceptional (i mean having 6 points) 2) Mars has 8 points in the 1st house 3) As there are 3 planets in your 3th house they boost your first because they all give points to the 11th from their position, so your 1st house becomes strong which gives a stubborn nature, you know what you want and are a fighter 4) check sub periods of mars 1975,1991, they were probably more difficult because Mars is lord of the 2nd 5) Moon is with mars and in mars navamsa, so more daring and quick decisions 6) lords of 1st and 9th have 2/12 relationship; this indicates the troublesome relationship with your father 2/12 relationship means "separation" 7) relationship between 1st and 3th are 3:11; this meaans better relationship between you and mother or more understanding 8) as points in the 1st are higher than in the 7th, you tend to dominate in a relationship unless your husband also has high points in his first house Well these were just a few thoughts Hope to read you often of the list Good luck Margarita Hello Ash, Stacey, 3° child born 2nd february 1992 in Saturn/Mars. Conception was also in Saturn/Mars. I think for female chart we should look at both houses 11th and 5th, but also at 12th and at the father's chart. Mars is LOD for the 12th and for the 5th. Mars has 13 points in the WS for the 5th but Mars can also act for samdharmi for Mercury who is a strong planet for childbirth in this chart. I think this is why it gave results. All contracts stated where in Saturn/Venus. Venus has good points for 3th, 6th and 11th houses, so it seems that contracts signid in 2003 were more profitable than those in 2002 In 2002 Jupiter was in Gemini (5p)and in Cancer (4p); Saturn was mostly in Taurus(4p) and by the end of the year in Gemini(2p). From this I deduce that the beginning of 2002 was more favorable than the end of the year concerning contracts. But as this is a new topic, I'm not too sure about that. but it seems that 2003 is not a bad year. Note that the sub period is changing by the end of october 2003. Best regards Margarita hi group, I have been a silent member watching/reading the postings for the past one year or so. I post my birth chart for analysis: DOB: 29.04.1957 TOB: 00.20.00 (midnight of 28th April) POB: Bangalore Asc: Capri, Sun, Moon, Venus, Merc®, ketu: Aries Mars: Gemini Jupiter®: Leo Rahu: Libra Saturn®: Scorpio I was hit by thunderbolt like financial scam in April/May 2002 which engulfed many of the co-op banks in Maharashtra/Gujarat of Western India. I was running Mars Dasha - Saturn bhukti when I was tossed for a six. I could find no logical/rational explanation for being the victim and resorted to looking for other explanations such as astro phenomena etc. Can the enlightended group members go through the chart and clarify whether the thunderbolt was foretold and if I could have minimised the impact if known in advance. thanx and regards narayan Dear Narayan, I went through the chart. 1) The antra u were running during April/May 2002 was that of Mars/Shani. 2) Check Shanis points. It has weak points i.e. less than 12 for the following houses. 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12th house. For 5th house it has 12 points so border line and can go either way. Here Shani is LOD for 5th and 4th house so its trying to give better results for 5th house so there will be ups and downs in terms of continuity of job. 3) Now Most important. At the time of April/May 2002, Shani was transitting Taurus in your chart thats 5th house and Moon is giving 0 points to it. So is it surprising that you faced troubles. At the same time Guru was transitting Gemini and in your chart its giving 4 points. So total of Guru + Shani = 4 points only. 4) Shani is also the lord of 2nd house so you will face a lot of stress and worries. This is aggrivated with Shanis transit over house with 0 points. 5) Using this system its very clear. By the way just to clarify Birth Time 1) Were you married during 1983/06 thru 1983/09. i.e. Suns antra. 2) Possible conception of children during 1984/07 and 1985/06 i.e antra of Sun. Using krushnas ayanamsa. 3) Other possiblities are in Shanis antra i.e. 1986/04 thru 1987/03 (LOD for 5th house) and Venus (LOE) i.e. 1988/06 thru 1989/06. Can you confirm the same, Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Narayan, The possiblilty of releif comes after March 25-30th 2003. This will start to look little better. Worries would get little better after 12/2002 but much more difference will be felt after March 25-30th 2003 but still. If you had a job it will get smoother/more stability after end March 2003. Relationship with wife that was also under strain will get much better and you will get family happiness and maybe some luxury like car or home too... Please confirm, Cheers !!! Ash Hello Narayam, Welcome , I see you casted the chart yourself but didn't use our ayanamsa. With Krushna's ayanamsa Jupiter goes to 0°12 Virgo and will receive sight of Mars with -7 points. ; this affects the quality of Jupiter and Jupiter is FK and NK for the 5th = speculation; he's also NK for the 2nd, house of wealth and the FK for the 8th house, also related to money. This just to point out how the ayanamsa can change the outlook of the chart . I wanted to point out that you take quick and daring decisions and act without too much hindsight; this makes you more vulnerable to losses. This trait is seen through the fact that the Moon is in Mars sign and Ketu nakshatra. Moon is also in Mars navamsa. Look how many times your Moon turns up in Mars sign in the div charts !! April/May 2002 was indeed the last part of Mars/saturn. Saturn as lord of the 2nd house (12th from the 3th) is considered as less good for health and general well being. Saturn can act for itself but also as natural samdharmi to Venus Venus is the 12th lord for the 11th (income)and also LOC for the 12th(losses) If you look at the points for Venus in the WS you will see that it gives more losses than gains. But let's focus only on Saturn to keep things simple. First let's look at the points for Saturn in the WS; its points for income ar rather low, so it cannot give favorable results. Look at the transits of Jup and Sat. for april and may 2002 These transits happen mostly in Taurus, house with 19 points only; this is low indeed Jupiter was in Gemini (more precisely in nakshatra of rahu)were it has 4 points, Saturn was in Taurus (more precisely in nakshatra of Moon) were it has 2 points, Let's only consider points of Jup and Sat 4 + 2 = 6; points should at least be 8 to give favorable results "if" the points of the sub planet in the WS are more more than 12 which is really a minimul. Note that the Moon has 0 points for this house Mars entered Taurus in april Sun, Venus,Mercury, all passed through this sign and the Moon did that twice. To conclcude think also about the following : You had Saturn transiting in Aries(2000), especially over de Moon and in 2002 were still under influence of this Saturn transit. Look how many points Jupiter (previous sub) has (in WS) for the 1st house(-3) and points of Saturn for the 1st (9). If we consider the 1st as "general well being" these points indicate much stress and fatigue so perhaps much risks or bad judgment during rahu and jupiter sub was responsible for losses during Saturn sub. Any feed back is welcome, we're all still learning, so don't take this as "ultimate truth" Best regards Margarita Dear Ash and Margarita, Thank you for both for wonderful analysis and kudos to you both for the prompt reply. Referring to the analysis of Margarita, I confirm that I take very quick and spontaneous decisions (regarding money as also investments) and many times regret later. Regarding ups and downs in job during the period in question, many times I thought of change of job, but presently am sticking to the present job. Referring to the analysis of Ash, I confirm that situation eased after Dec. 2002 and and became much smoother after March 2003. But I wish to add that the ease of tension is more of mental attitude, but on the ground level the chances of recovery of investment is still remote. Yes, I again confirm that domestic bliss has improved considerably after March 2003. I have car since 1998 and yes, I have made investment for construction of new house during the period, but havent moved so far. Regarding sun's antra for checking the correctness of birth time, the period 6/83 to 9/83 is not correct as I didnt have any marriage or girlfriend during that period. But the period 7/84 to 6/88 is right on the target as I had a serious love affair and had physical relationship, but it didnt result in conception. To give the correct date I will say that the love affair started on or about 25 Feb 85 and lasted till Dec. 1995 or thereabout. I did eventually get married on 26.08.2001 (yes, very late marriage) and had birth of a baby daughter on 24.07.2002. My father passed away in the last week of Oct. 1989 (on ekadashi day, 4 days prior to diwali). So I request the group, particularly Ash and Margarita to explore the chart further and analyse the same. With greetings and regards narayan Dear Narayan, Thank you for your feeback. I studied the dates you gave and all the dates did fit with the system. 1) I had made a error in typing .. the second period in which your relationship started was Rahu and Not Sun. The antra period give was right. Rahu is in the 10th which is LOE for 5th (love) and Rahu represents Venus (LOE for 5th) and Jupiter (LOE) for 12th house or eager to give bed pleasures.. so it fits as per what you say. Being in House E for 5th house it can also give childbirth. Again both charts have to be considered and stopping child birth is in ones hands. 2) The period I gave for ease of tention is *for mental period* because of Shanis transit. Shani is 2nd lord, transitting over a house with 0 points. A 0 in a house reduces results of that house. There could be blot on your name during that period and full period of worry and tention. All this aggrivated by transit of Saturn who holds karakatwa for 6th and 7th house matters so bank money related (6th house) or partnerships etc.. 5th house is also of Speculaiton as Margarita correctly pointed out.. and a Zero there is reducing that. So once Shani moves out of 5th and when Shanis antra gets over you will feel more relief and mentally. 3) Again if you see your marriage using this system it happened in Mars/Guru and Guru is LOE for 7th house so it fits properly. Guru cannot give conception as he is weak for 5th house if you see the points in the worksheet. 4) As soon as Shanis antra kicked in in Mars man conception happened. Shani is LOD for 5th house i.e. lord of 2nd house. So this also fits. 5) About home also see the worksheet and see the points that Mercury is getting. I beleive that will give the answer. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hello Narayan, Ash covered all topics nicely. Did you notice that Jupiter is strong for certain aspects of relationship.(having an affait and marriage came under jupiter) There was just the death of the father that wasn't covered. According the ayanamsa we use this was during Moon/Moon For this event we look at the 8th from the 9th = 4th house. You see Moon has 5 points for that house and Karak is Mars who is samdharmi to mainlord Moon; this also fits nicely Moon, according to points in the WS, can give results Best regards Margarita Hi Ash and Margarita, I went through the lessons and couldnt resist making about a prediction about my chart for change of job and/or change of place. I surmise I am due for change of job (for the better!!) and residence during January/February 2004. Can u please confirm?? thanx narayan z1e1b1r1a wrote: > > Hello Narayan, First let's get the sub periods right, at least then we are talking about the same time period. Mars/Ketu will start on 18 november 2003 and Mars/Venus will start 15th of april 2004. For the moment you are still in Mars/Mercury. If you casted the chart with another ayanamsa, you will have other dates Ketu will act for Mars, Sun and Jupiter. Ketu will be in house D for the 7th and in house E for the 11th. For job related questions we look at the 6th house, for authority at the 10th , for income at the 11th. For change in residence, it should be the 9th house here as you are not going abroad. Note all these houses are taken as "B" . Could me tell you about your reasoning so I could follow better Best regards Margarita Dear Narayan, Please use proper Ayanamsa as per this system then our antras will match then we can all be on the same page. Also please cast the worksheet and then you will be able to understand what we are saying about why certain things happen in certain antras only and from there we can go and narrow it down to pin point dates. Its a long process but lets go one step at a time. 1) For Job Change there is not just one House we must see. 6th house we take as B for job. 6th house holds karaktwa for 11th house. So when we say to time someone getting first job then we place House B = 6th house. Generally highest points for 6th house or LOD or LOE or planets in House D or E i.e. 11th of 3rd house with High points i.e. > 4 bindus are more eager to give job in their antra. 2) After you get job then you shift focus to 5th house. Why ? The reason is because 5th house holds karakatwas for 10th house i.e. Authority. Here is there are low points then person may have changes in job ... but then how to see if job is there or not ... 3) For that we check Income and for that we check points in 11th house and for authority again we check points of 10th house as B. So now if there is change of job and no income could mean that person might be unemployed during that time... but again there are so many things one has to see w.r.t. which other planets are samdharmis. For example if Say Venus antra is running then we know that Venus is Natural Samdhamrmi to Shani, similarly for Mars and Sun and Mars and Moon. These as per basic Vedic Astrology if u study keenly are Yogakaraks for each others house i.e Venus is Yogakarak planet for Shani's ascendents i.e. CApricorn and Aquarius and For Cancer and Leo Its Mars these all thigns you can get from lessons.... and all these are used together with points for timing. 4) For expenses you can check 12th house. Compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th for the antra running can show how much effort you need to put for income and in that antra how much expense you will have. If for that antra points of 12th are higher then there might be more expenses than income. In your chart now check closely. For current Antra. For 4th house Mercury is LOE so it does not matter how many points Mercury has it is eager to give results for 4th house. So its not surpirse you might have gotten some luxuries. It also has highest points for 4th house. Now also see points for 5th house for Mercury. Its giving only 5 points in the worksheet. Means that there can be change in job. Now check points of 10th, 11th and 12th. Here you can see points of 10th are 7, 11th = 17 and 12th = 20. So here this is showing me that you will might not have high authority (high authority means more work and more stress) here points are low, the COMPARED TO THAT you r getting very good income. Points are 17 much higher than 12 and for 12th house points are even higher 20 points. So from that I can deduct that maybe you bought a house, change in job, and high expense maybe because of house so you might spend money behind that. Now again MErcury is LOD for 12th house so its expenses for better things i.e. you will get more comfort as 12th house is for moksha and also for pleasures so being LOD or LOE it will give u happiness and pleasure .... Now you can go ahead and do the same for KEtu period. Ketu is samdharmi to Mars and Sun. For the 4th house Mars is giving 1 bindus and Sun is giving 3 bindus. So mars will act more like Sun. Now Sun is LOD for 11th hosue so again better income and better for 3rd house so more parakram. Now compare ketu antra with mercury. In mercury you had higher expenses but in ketu antra expenses will fall down, income will be much better than you made in Mercury antra so more savings. Please make your chart with Krushnas ayanamsa, Cast your worksheet and try to match the events. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hi! A friend wants to know when she is likely to get married. Her birth details are: 26th Oct 1974, 12:40noon, New Delhi, India Any analysis will be greatly appreciated. Warm regards Dear Mita, Your friends lagna is at 2Cp22. A difference of about 10 mins changes the lagna. Want to clarify a few things to ascertain the lagna. 1) Spending trend. With Cap 12th SAV points are more than 11th so her spending trend is more than savings 2) Is Allergic to authorative figure ? Does not like being told what to do or does not respond well to authority ? 6th lord in 10th 3) Is your friend sutbborn, my way or the high way kinda attitude ? And is she very confident in everything she does and egoistic ? 36 bindus in lagna v/s 26 bindus in lagna capricorn 4) Did your friend fall in love during 1992/10 thru 1994/02 5) Your friend must be very brilliant and have a photographic memory ? 6) If your friend was in a relationship it might have broken in 1994/02 thru 1995/01 this is using capricorn lagna in Mars antra. Low points for 5th and borderline for 12th i.e 12 points. Some other characteristics irrsepective of lagna. 1) Venus is spoilt. Its less than 3 degrees from Sun. Good thing is that this venus is not aspected by Shani and it also receives a check from Guru via its aspect. Can you confirm please. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hi, Ash. I am now aware that when Venus is > 43* from Sun, Guru with Venus can check it. However, how does this work in the case where Venus is < 3* from Sun? As the native loses interest in sex/marriage, are you saying that if Guru is conjunct/aspecting such a Venus - then it helps out by improving Venus's "impotence" due to Sun? So Jupiter with a Combust Venus means Native is not completely disinterested in sex/marriage? Thanks - Sateesh. ======== Dear Sateesh.... hmm.. .good point... You are right. I am just going to recap what we had discussed on chat. Venus to Sun distance > 43 degrees will make venus go out of the grap of Sun. If Saturn aspects it, it makes this worst. If Shani also aspects a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa then this may deny marriage or cause multiple relations. Now the planet that can check such a venus is Guru. If Venus is with Guru then Guru can check Venus. i.e. such a person will not forget his responsibilities towards his wife and family. On the other hand Venus < 3 degrees looses its venusian qualities. If its retrogate then it may have some power, if its direct and < 3 degrees then it looses all power. Such a person looses interest in "sex", "sensual things" and other happy happy things that venus tends to shower a person with hmm .. I hope you get the drift. In the first case Guru can check Venus from going astray and even if say Venus shows its quality then it may be with sanction. In 2nd case the native itself looses the "venusian" qualities and so Guru might try to stop it from going to other extremes. Like if a person is married then instead of becoming bramachary one may have "sex" for producing children. Guru is also putrakarak. NK for child birth in male chart. Ruler of 12th house in kalpurush chart. In both cases mind you venus is spoilt and it does not change venus however Guru "checks" venus. I hope Margarita and Krushnaji can correct my understanding in regards to this topic. Good quesetion. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, Many thanks - it makes it clearer now. It would be interesting to see any "living" examples of < 3* Venus helped by Jupiter. No rush on this though :-) . Cheers - Sateesh. Hello, Look at the 3th house (12th from the 4th) for permanent relocation and also to the 12th house from lagna. Planets with low points in WS for the 12th house from lagna indicate "away from home" and planets with more points for the 112th from lagna can indicate "going back home". Try to look at this together with other factors lakine for ex : When 4th lord is in the 3th = less family happiness, so this "could" indicate somebody who moves often also. The whole chart must be judged of course; these are only some factors to look at Best regards Margarita kpkanitkar wrote Hello Margarita Thanks for reply I have one chart 10 Dec 1968 11.52 am Bombay India Here Sat is lord of lagna and 12th which is in 2nd and retro while 4th lord Venus is in 12th. sat interesting have 0 points in 2nd house where sat is present. That the reason this question is. And Venus Which is 4th lord is in 12th and is in 12th house and Venus ashtakvarga points are 4 each in 3rd and 12th house. Does venus has more role or Sat in such case? Regards KPK Dear KPK, Zero given by any planet means less happiness for that house. It can mean that when Shani transitted Pisces this native might have had problems with authority and job. Did this native have a change of job or did he face any problems for his job or did he loose the job after Feb 20th 1996. It can also mean that no cooperation from subordinates or a blot on name. That period might have been with lots of stress and worries.. during the 2.5 years when shani transitted over pisces. Please confirm, Thanks, Cheers !!! Dear KPK and list members, I think I realised what I overlooked. Thanks for your response. Your answer made it clear. Let me explain. When shani transits over a house with low points yes the native faces problems. Those problems come via the house that shani holds karaktwa for. Now Shani holds karaktwa for 7th house and 8th house in the natives chart. So problems will come via that area. So you said the native faced problems in the area or no co-operation for marriage 7th house and also via 8th house matters for the 2nd house which is for family, wealth, karak for marriage etc. Sorry about that. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Dadhi, All 3 are important for finding profession. It is not whichever is stronger of the 3 but ALL 3. Take your chart for example. 1) 10th lord from lagna is Aquarius. Its lord is Shani. Now Shani is placed in Scorpio navamsa and its lord is Mars. So we get Mars. 2) 10th lord from Sun is Cancer. Its lord Moon is placed in navamsa of Guru. So we get Guru. 3) 10th house from Moon is Pisces. Lord of Pisces is Guru who is placed in navasma of Gemini so again Mercury. So your profession or inclination will be for profession linked to Mars, Guru and Mercury. The lesson on finding occupation has more details like finding the intellegence of a person. A butcher and an autoposy surgeon both deal with similar things but to be an autopsy surgeon one needs more qualification and intellegence and more delicate hands etc. So we need to see lagna, sun and moon in sectors of shani in navamsa, drekkhana and trimsamsa to judge the intellegence. This is also very important. Also we might need to check DBCE points (SAV) i.e. 3,6,10 and 11 poinst and points in lagna to check the confidence of the person etc etc..... Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash > Dear Dadhi, > All 3 are important for finding profession. It is not whichever is > stronger of the 3 but ALL 3. OK. But if it is so for KAS, it is somewhat different from standard jyotish shastras... > The lesson on finding occupation has more details like finding the > intellegence of a person. A butcher and an autoposy surgeon both > deal with similar things but to be an autopsy surgeon one needs more > qualification and intellegence and more delicate hands etc. So we > need to see lagna, sun and moon in sectors of shani in navamsa, > drekkhana and trimsamsa to judge the intellegence. This is also very > important. Regarding intelligence, it would be nice that some additional explanation is given. I do not understand what exactly one has to do with Lg, Su, and Mo in sectors of Shani. Good grasping power, inteligence, memory etc. is required everywhere, in many professions. Let say someone is a movie actor like Depardieu from France. I think he is somewhat known there. He does not have Lg, Mo or Su in any sector of Shani (for Navamsha, Drekhana and Trimshamsha), but mostly in Mars sector. But he is an actor. He has to remember a lot of text given to him. Now, since he does not have either Lg, Mo or Su in sectors of Shani - is he less inteligent ? I do not know... maybe... . but does not seem so. Let say that a person believes in God and Lg, Mo and Su are prominent in sectors of Jupiter (as explained in lesson). And that person might be very inteligent, and not have 2 or 3 Lg, Mo or Su in sectors of Shani. How to explain this ? All the best, Dadhi Selection of houses for Degree and post graduate: If one gets a degree that increases the status of the person then 6th and 10th along with 5th house and their lords have to be studied as 6th house increases the status and 10th for profession this is from lagna. 5th house is for degree and 9th for advanced learning and spiritual learning. But before you dwelve into the degree, the intellegence of the person has to be gauged as success and failure would depend on it. The karak for intellegence is Saturn and if lagna lord, Sun and Moon are in the Saturnian sign in Navamsa, Drekkhana and Trimsamsa then the person can be very intellegent. 4th house is for knowlege and 5th for degree. For an institute , which does not give any degree, 12th house and 9th hosue would have to be studied for spirituality and higher learning. Sometimes we find that a person may be very intellegent but the dasa running at that point might now be favourable at all, though a person is inclined and wants to do say for example engineering but during the maturity of grade 12 marks and at the time of admission if the dasa running is not favourable then he may not get admission into a college, this can also be studied from Navamsa lords of 10th house from Sun, lagna and moon have to be studied and their respective strengths. What may be good education or level of education in one coutry may be different from the other, and this is also to be studied depending on the place one is in. This have been rewritten by ash from my answer in the group, I liked it, so if filed will be useful for other members. So sending in the group as a lesson. Dear Donna,Please rewrite it if required and Please put it in file section, krushna Hello Dadhi, I understand your confusion about "intelligence". I think we must use our good common sense and not focus exactly on "words" that can have many different meanings for different people who use them. Intelligence is also one of these terms and what is qualified as being intelligent here is the capacity to "grasp" things, to understand them, to control them. So when either asc Sun or Moon lands up in navamsa, drekkana or trimsamsa of saturn, the person has a good fotographic memory and "grasps" things quickly. Saturn is also a symbol of organised knowledge while Jupiter represents more knowledge that comes from inheritance from ancestors knowledge but not needing big personal effort to understand, it's mostly repeated. There are other forms of intelligence like "intuition" if they can help other intellectual faculties, they are not considered under Saturn. I hope I'm making things clear. Another topic perhaps interesting to know in studying this system is the following. One needs good basics knowledge of Vedic Astrology, something you seem to master quite well. This system is only for "timing" certain events and see "when" they can happen. If points in WS are high, the event can happen but this does not mean that the event will be happy. A strong sixth lord giving results will not give "happy" results for all houses even with high points. So conception or childbirth could be indicated but it could be a mentally retarded child for example. Or if somebody marries in a period with high points this does not meaan that the marriage will be happy. I had some problems to keep those two things separate in the beginning but I'm sure you will manage because when I read your mails your questions indicate that you are on the right track. Good luck and best regards Margarita Dear Krushnaji, Margarita, Dadhi and list members, DBCE points if in ascending order show the grace of karak. So if we are checking 3:6:10:11 points from lagna it means we are checking Grace of karak who is lagna. So may show the personality of the preson so in this chase if they are in ascending order it shows a person who can take daring, is confident and such persons can do their own business. Now you check them also from Moon and Sun and you can get an idea. So if 2 are in zigzag and if 1 is in ascending order then more towards service. There is more towards it and I am still thinking on this part. There are 3 types of business 1) Continous rolling of money like say a restaurant. [LAGNA] 2) Contract type work so one gets money after work finished [MOON] 3) Fixed Salary where one gets paid on a particular day. [sUN] Now if you are studying for a fixed income then you can check poitns of DBCE from Sun. For contract income you can check DBCE from moon and for continious income you can check from lagna. But overall results must be seen from Lagna. i.e 3:6:10:11 from lagna. Good and bad period should be considered from Lagna and Worksheet. We also need to consider the sign placement of Sun and moon if they are in a friends sign of enemies sign. Basically we need to study the status of each. Now for any finaicial problems the transit of Saturn and Guru are very important. To go into to detail on why you can study the kalpurush chart. If in a malefic is transitting a house with 0 points then more problems and where the problem is coming from can be studied from the karaktwa of the transitting malefic planet. We also have to study the SAV points where Sun, Moon and Lagna have. Krushnaji and Margarita, please feel free to correct my understanding. And add to what I have written if I have missed out something. I hope that helps, Thanking you, Cheers !!! Hello Dadhi, Thanks for the chart of BV Raman. I think this chart is interesting even if I don't know if the TOB has not been "adapted" for certain purposes. I saw, as you pointed out, how often Sun,Moon or Asc land up in Saturn's in the important divisional charts.It surely must have helped him a lot in mastering astrology. I think this chart is also interesting to illustrate nicely the so famous "samdharmi" principle and how planets behave in this particular case in their 4:10 relationship. Look at Mars(3p) in 7the and Jupiter (5p) in 10th. Mars is going to collect points from Jupiter and thus gets strength from him. Mars is aspecting Jupiter with +5 points and make Jupiter strong;so both planets become very strong in the chart. Without going into multiple details the positions in kendras and high MF (multiplication factor) for all planets except Venus is also an interesting factor. Best regards Margarita Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to my Briefcase ] Dear Krushna, Ash and members, I would like to present one interesting chart: Male, 23.09.2003. / 21:03 / 16 E 00, 45 N 50 / +1 As you see, the boy is still very small, but has the Down Syndrom. I tried to analyse some doshas in his chart according to KAS. Many doshas are present, but I tried to focus on his intelligence and personality. Please correct me if something is wrong. 1. worksheet points for planets are mostly quite LOW. Except for 2nd and 7th house, most of the planets do not cooperate so much for other houses. It seems that he will not have a normal life. 2. he is born in Ketu Dasha, indicating some suffering due to previous karma. The following Dashas are also not so good. 3. Lagna lord is debilitated and in the sign with lowest points (SAV) together with Su who has less than average bindus (BAV). 4. there is no DBCE ascending order from any house. 5. Saturn is very malefic, because of his aspect on Ju, Me and Mo (Shani has 5 bindus). Saturn aspect on Mo (mind; communication abilities as 3rd lord), Ju (karaka for lagna, as 8th lord) and Me (lord of 2nd and 5th, speach and inteligence). 6. Aditionally, 12th lord Ma (5 bindus in BAV) also badly aspects Ju, Me and Mo ... and Mars also aspects Su (lord of the 4th and karaka for 9th house) and Ve. If my attempt is right, his intelligence and future are not so bright. The boy is the son of my friend. Naturally, he is worried about the future of his son. What do you all think, is there any possibility for some kind of normal life, in some period of time (Dasha) ? OTOH, it seems that the boy could be an intelligent one. He has Lg and Mo in three sectors of Shani and maybe, he should be encouraged to learn something. Any suggestions? All the best, Dadhi Dear Krushnaji, Dadhi and list members, I did some research on the web w.r.t. down syndrome. Its a genetic disorder and do with chromosome abnormality. I do not have much knowledge in the field of medical astrology. Maybe others who have more knowledge can comment on the same. Maybe Krushnaji can shed some light and give some guidance on how are genetic abnormalities seen or studied. Cheers !!! Ash Hello Dadhi, Thank you for the chart. We did similar chart on down's syndrome and Krushna gave a mail about it dated on 6th january 2002, I'm sure you can study the chart i posted and his answer. I have no time to go into the chart right now but at first sight 3th lord is in the 4th house and moon is in nakshatra of ketu. Relationship between 1st and 5th lords are 2:12. These are factors that indicate "mentally retarded child". I hope this helps you on the way. I will study this chart and make the worksheet when i have some free moment. Thanks and best regards Margarita Dear Margarita and Dadhi, Thanks Margarita that was a good lead. I went through the post given by Krushnaji. I noticed the following things. 1) Venus is in 12th from its own house 2) 12th from 4th house is in 4th house 3) 1 zero due to Moon in 5th house. Moon incidentlally rules 3rd house who holds karaktwas for 8th house. 4) Points in the WS for 6th house are all very low. Even Ju and Moon who are LoD and LoE have less points. So recovery from illness might be more difficult. 5) As per your direction and Krushnajis mail, 3rd lord is in 4th so reducing 4th house happiness, Lord of 5th house goes into 12th from 5th i.e. 4th house so reduces 5th house happiness and also coupled with that 5th has a zero given by moon (karak for 8th). 6) Overall all points in WS are weak for pretty much all the houses and by all planets. 7) Points in 2nd in WS are stronger so the child may get support from family. 8) Moon is in nak of Ketu. 9) 6th lord is in 5th house and samdharmi to sun, moon, mercury aspecting Mars in navamsa. 10) Mars overall strength of Mars is weak for each and every house in WS so again he is NK for lagna and weak again. 11) Sa is in 2nd house with more points and Me i.e. 2nd lord is SD to Venus, Moon and Jupiter so in antra of all these planets there will be lot of stress and worries. These were some points that I could see. Will wait for Margaritas response. Thanks for posting the chart. Cheers !!! Ash Hello Ash, Thanks for the input. Here I just tried to point out some configurations that indicate a mentally retarded person and these factors should always be checked before analysing any chart because usually people don't mention these states and we can be led on the wrong track. Down's syndrome is not an illness; it's just another way of "being" so I don't think factors about illness or recovery should be checked. One other thing Krushna mentioned I think is that in the father's chart Saturn probably is in the 10th house, but I'm not 100% sure of that. Dadhi you could check that because it's your friend's child. Best regards Margarita > One other thing Krushna mentioned I think is that in the father's > chart Saturn probably is in the 10th house, but I'm not 100% sure of > that. Dadhi you could check that because it's your friend's child. Father's data: 04 Feb 1962 / 07:25 AM / 16E00, 45N50 / +1 (see chart below). Saturn is not in 10th house. All planets are in the 1st house (!?).... Dear Ash, Margarita, Dadhi, and List members, For Male chart refer the navmansha chart, Sa is in 10th. Navamansha and Rashi chart have equal status. (take birth time 7:15) In Female chart 11th house should also be refered for Child birth. In female chart Mars is in 8th house and Rahu is in 11th. This combination indicates cesarean, and more pron for a mentally retarded child. (Sag lg) krushna Dear Krushna, Thank you for this nice points. I have one dilemma regarding mother. It seems to me strange that she got baby in Saturn bhukti. Saturn is in the house D, but with 0 bindus, and Saturn is not samdharmi to Moon or Jupiter (lords of D and E). I think that it was stated somewhere that planets in D or E should have high bindus or be significators for an event. I would be pleased if you or someone else can explain this situation. All the best, Dadhi Dear Dadhi, For child birth we study the conception time which falls in Guru antra in the last 1/3rd sector. Guru has become strong due to Mars i.e Mars gives its points to Guru and Guru controls it. Guru is also LoE for 11th house and is situated with LoD and is Naturak Karak. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash I agree that it becomes a case study. My friend is willing to cooperate. Some details from his life: - His was actually born at 07:15, not 07:25 (but it does not change the position of lagna). - He left school in 1979 and travelled around Europe - 0n July 1st 1979 he got employed as a warehouseman. - His grandfather died on 20th February 1985. He loved his grandfather very much. - He worked till 1990 in the same company, and after that he went to another company as truck driver. - In March 1992 he got fired, and on 1st May 1992 he went to war. He came back on 1st December 1992. - He worked in the new company as warehouseman and delivery-man from 1st March 1993 till 1st September 2003 with a little interruption : he went to war on 5th August 1995 and came back exactly after one month later, on 5th of September. - In 1999 he went to India. He has been interested in spiritual life since 1979. - He fell in love with his future wife and they started dating on 1st November 2001. He got married to her on 26th January 2002. - From 1st of September 2003 he has been working as a commercial clerk in a new company. - His grandmother died on 4th October 2003. - He has big phobia: claustrophobia (elevator, bus and tram jams etc.) - His wealth is below the average. > Maybe we can do this chart as a blind chart analysis. > > With Guidance of Krushnaji I am sure we all will get to learn > something new as each charts is unique. It would be nice if Krushna has time to help. > Also if possible can you get the chart of wife. She was born on 25th May 1976. at 21:00, 16E00, 45N50 / +1 (However, her TOB should be rectified, since lagna could be either in Sg or Sc +/- few minutes). > I beleive that statistics that I read on the web for Down Syndrome > only 15% data pointed to this syndrome coming from father. > So it would also be better to study mothers chart to see if at the > time of conception if that nakshatra was afflicted by Rahu and/or > Mars. I got some additional info about the mother: - her parents got divorced on November 1978. - half-sister was born on 18.11.1983., and half-brother on 26.5.1985. - grandfather died on 13.12.1995. - graduated in biology on 18.6.2003. - delivered the baby through Cesarean section All the best, Dadhi Dear Dadhi, Here is my attempt. Basic Observations. 1) Here 6th lord is touching all planets. 2) 2nd lord is in 12th from itself. 3) 6th lord touching all planets i.e. all planets are SD to 6th lord. 4) All planets are SD to 2nd lord. 5) Venus is giving 0 to 7th house. First job in july 1979 in AD of Moon. Moon has 15 points for 6th house. Also Moon is LoD for 10th house. Moon also is having 20 points for 11th house so triggering income. Death of Grandfather 20th feb 1985 in Rahu/Saturn. Saturn has 13 points for 12th house and is SD to Ve and Me. Mahadasha is of 7th lord or Rahu is more like Moon. March 92 - lost job, went to war and got another job after all in Rahu/Sun. Sun has low points for 10th/5th house but high for 6th so quicky go another job. Marriage happened on 26th Jan 2002. There is considerable delay. Venus to sun distance is only 1.8, its with Shani and shani is with sun and moon and shani i..e karak is in 12th from 2nd and venus giving 0 bindus to 7th house. Now marriage happened in Mercury antra who is 6th lord and in last sector. Decision might have been made in the 2nd sector itself w.r.t marriage. Mercury has the lowest points for 7th house and is LoD for 12th house. When marriages happenen in lowest significator or 6th lord then there is some problems or the other in marriage or delayed/problems in child birth etc. In his wifes chart there are 3 zeroes in the chart and guru is in libra in navamsa. Jupiter is LoD and is getting power from Mars who is LoE. There is delay and Guru is checking delay due to Shani. So Marriage happened as soon as Guru's antra kicked in. Guru has highest points in WS for each and every house. It also has the highest points for 11th house so will give conception. Its pretty late now.. I must get some rest. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Manu, Brilliant question. I also had been thinking on this question. Krushnaji and Margarita, can you please go through this email and point out my (mis)understandings and feel free to point out anything in addition I might have missed or overlooked. I am still in the thought process so I may also need more guidance. I shall share with you what I have thought and understood thus far. It is said that when planets TRANSIT through a house with HIGH SAV it gives good results. This is one place where this is used. So take a chart and see where planets are today and then you see the natal chart and add all the points where planets are Transitting Today. When you do that what have you done ? Indirectly you have considerd so many things. SAV is the strength that each planet and lagna give to each house. Then you check where planets are Transitting today then those BENEFIC bindus (SAV) are picked up where a particular planet is transitting. So that is step 1. So when you add up SAV points (as per lesson) and you get more than 196 points (28 average bindus in a house for 7 planets 28 x 7 = 196) So if daily points are more than 197 then Generally thigns go your way so you will feel happy / elated. Now we add another layer. Say if antra of 2nd lord is running and one is getting - ASSUME 210 points then person will have more "worries" as 2nd lord's antra gives stress. So more points here might show that. Then we can add another layer. We then get into each planet and study them. Say if Shani is transitting a house with 0 points then again more points (SAV Total) for the day may show more stress. If Shani at the same time is transitting a house 12th from itself so based on the chart you can find out what house Shani is FK for and one can make finer deductions that way. If Say lagna is Scorpio and Mars at that time is Transitting 12th house (12th from lagna) and overall points for the day are say 176 then person might feel sick on that day or might have headache or some flavour for ill health. For Sco lagna, Karak for 6th (health) is lagna and Mars is Transitting a house 12th from lagna so it looses status. So in this way each planet w.r.t chart must be checked. For checking Financial Status, Transit of Guru and Shani is very very important. Shani and Guru rules 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th house in Kal purush chart. If a planet is giving good points for 11th house in Worksheet however if Guru + Shani points total is less than 8 then here antra is helping but Transits are not so if a person is doing business his payment might get stuckup or not proper flow of money etc might be faced. Sometimes you notice some persons might loose their jobs however Transit of Guru + Shani points are more than 8 then in such cases he can still get some help from somewhere wherein he might be able to fulfill his daily needs. Where help can come, you can go deeper into the system but we can leave that for now. This is one of the primary reasons when Shani transitts a house with 0 points a person faces financial problems because UNLESS Guru transitts a house where he is giving 8 points only then can total points be 8. Otherwise Transits wont help and person faces financial crunch. So many people ask, when I can repay my debt. Here good antra for income along with good Transits of Guru and Shani are important. If that happens then he gets help from all angles and can repay his / her debt. For people getting into the mood if u know what I mean, here Transit of Venus must be studied closely. If Antra is good, and daily points (SAV total is good) along with Transitting Venus through a house with more than 4 bindus might help. For seeing mood for the day, I think this question you have asked in your mail, you can check Study moon and its status. IF moon is transitting Gemini and at the same time daily points are low then you might not feel pretty good in your mind. Might feel confused or might not be able to think clearly. Once a friend of mine I had told in 3 days he might not feel well. He said that for long time he had not fallen sick or and was in perfect health. 3rd day came along and he got a severe headache and a came down with a flu. Here I had checked the status of Mars along with some other things. Sun is the spirit. Life force. You can check the status of Sun like that. In such a way you can go deeper and deeper using same principles that we have learnt in the lessons. The real power is in SAV. Just the basic on what each house points in SAV shows and how we get each bindu (favourable yog) we do that unknowingly so we cover a vast portion of Vedic Astrology including all the contras. Brilliant question. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Manu, Worksheet is what you use in the end to select the right significator that can furnish the event. After you select the proper planet then you can narrow it down further using the proper 1/3rd sector and Suns transit. This all is given in lesson. But before you reach this step you have to study the chart first and judge the status of each planet. When I say status, I mean in detail on the bindus it gets, sign placment, navamsa placment, in the house of friend/enemy, its samdharmis, its div chart status, 4:10, influence of 6th lord, influence of 12th from B (house under focus), planets in 12th from own house, planet placment in a house (say if LoB is placed in 2nd house from B, so it goes to dhan sthan so status is enhanced so such way if planet goes to 10th house so in upchaya so better etc etc). Even before you reach that you also need to study the nature of the person, his intellegence, how a person will react to an event for example if a person has say more than 35 points in lagna in SAV then person might be very adament and ego centric. He might be having the attitude of "my way or the high way" attitude and might not be adjustive person. The psychology of such a person might be very different as compared to a person with say 26 bindus in lagna. Again their intellegence factors is very important. Also we need to study say other factors like blessings of a guru/father, of mother, nav pancham yogs etc to see things. With all that you get an idea of the person first. So now lets assemble these things and start with the last thing that I wrote above first. 1) So study the chart - get an idea of the person in short psychology 2) Study the status of each and every planet from all angles. 3) Study how the event will be happy / unhappy. 4) Then use worksheet to pin point the event. So say if u are studying marriage, then for example if lagna/7th lords are in 6:8, points for 5th (assume male chart) are low in WS, Venus is in krittika and its distance to sun is > 43 deg and its asp by Shani and shani asp a luminiary at the same time say if guru is in 0-3deg20 in Libra rasi and say lagna SAV is 37 and intellegence is moderate. And to add to all that say if Venus and Mars are together and its aspected by Guru. So if u see such thigns (based on the lessons) you can get inclination that this chart is not of happy marriage and if there is it might be multiple or not long lasting or only limiting to pleasures. So then if the question asked is "When will I get married ?" Here study first if marriage is possible (lesson on denial of marriage). If indications are there and MARRIAGE IS UNHAPPY then what ANTRA will you select from worksheet ? Here we go by logic that IF IT WERE AN HAPPY EVENT IT WOULD TAKE PLACE IN HIGHEST SIGNIFICATOR. UNHAPPY EVENTS HAPPEN IN LOWEST SIGNIFICATOR. So here what will you pick ? Cheers !!! Ash Dear Manu, Planets in 4:10 are called Mutual Coworkers which is given in texts that are available. It means planest that help each other. Can exchange / replace the other planet if the planet is not able to give results due to any reason like if its having its dristi on primary upchayas or maybe its period has just gotten over as there was delay etc so in that case its samdharmi can step forward to "Help". When we cast SAV from BAV it does not cover this special relationship. So we consider this seperately in the worksheet. This is the highest level samdharmi. But we need to study this relation closely. So in worksheet if you study closely you first Consider BASIC strength i.e. A+B+C points. With that you get what the planet strength is for that house on its own without considering any 4:10, aspects etc. Consider 10th place as the Boss and 4th from it as the Subordinate. So say 4th house is Boss and 7th house is Subbordinate or 10th house is boss and lagna is subordinate or 5th is boss and 8th is subordinate etc etc. After establishing the relationship of Boss-Subordinate we then focus on planet. Say if a planet is resident in the Boss house and there is a planet in the Subordinate house. Let us establish the nature of planet as strict or lienent. If a planet is with more points i.e. > 4 then he is a noble planet and if a planet is with less bindus < 4 he is strict. Now let us combine the above and get an understanding. If Boss is strict (planet in 10th is < 4 bindus) then Planet in the subordinate will have to listen to the boss. Here he gives the points to the Boss planet (in the WS). Now the question becons is ? 1) What is the Subordinate is also a culprit (< 4 bindus) 2) What is the Boss is a noble man (> 4 bindus) and the subordinate is culprit (< 4 bindus) 3) What if Boss is strict (< 4 bindus) and Subordinate is noble man (> 4 bindus) 4) What if Boss is strict (< 4 bindus) and Subordinate is also culprit but with more points than boss. i.e Say if Boss = 2 bindus and Subordinate is with 3 bindus. 5) What is Boss is strict (< 4 bindus) and subordinate is also culprit (< 4) however with lesser point than Boss. i.e. Say if Boss = 3 bindus and Subordinate = 2 bindus. Here is where you start to get in deeper. Basic law is if Planet is in 10th with less points then it will control the planet in the 4th. 4th will give its points. Now solving above scenarios 1) Subordinate will have to give it points to Boss but he is still culprit so he will do so but with opposition. He will help the boss but in malefic deeds. 2)If Boss is noble man and subordinate is culprit here, Boss CANNOT control the subordinate. Here if Subordinate gets a chance he will OPPOSE the boss and cause mischief. Here no matter what the Boss is still Boss so culprit will act as though he is supporting the boss but at last minute might back out his support. So here he will not support and cause opposition. 3) Best situation is when Boss is strict and a he has a noble and trust worthy subordinate. Here Subordinate will go out his way to help the boss out. This is when Subordinate planet has > 4 bindus and Boss is strict < 4 bindus. Here Subordinate will help the boss to give good results without any opposition. 4) Here Both Boss = 2 bindus and Subordinate = 3 bindus. Here both are malefic. Boss is the bigger "Don" here. So here you have a situation wherein 2 culprits or malefics are working helping each other scratching each others back. But both will help each other in malefic deeds. [in vedic astrology combination of Mars and Saturn in 4:10 is not considered good as generally both have less than 4 bindus and what happens is that here you get 2 natural malefics working helping each other cause more havoc in a chart]. In our system we say a planet is malefic if the planet has < 4 binds and a benefic if the planet has > 4 bindus. 5) Here Boss = 3 and Subordinate = 2. Here again both are malefic. So Subordinate will give its points the Boss but will also OPPOSE the boss if it gets chance as the subordinate is even more malefic than that Boss. My suggestion is study the flow of worksheet. You will get an understanding on the SEQUENCE of the flow and try to understand what is happening. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash , "Manu Batura" <manubatura> wrote: > Hello Ash and List Members, > > That was very instructive. thank you. I will try to practice a few > horoscopes. > > I had one more doubt. Is there any logical basis for 4:10 theory? I > understood the reasoning behind Upachayas. For instance, > if 'children' is the event, house B is 5th. A is 12 which is for > mating and is a precondition. C is house 9 and the reason which is to > continue our Vansh by means of grandchildren. It expands our family > (house 2/house D). And it brings about a change of state for our > responsiblity (house 10/house E). > > This is a beautiful relationship between houses. So, naturally we > should expect some such relation for 4:10 theory of samdharmis too. > Is there any such relation? > > The only thing I can think of is a bit crude: > > Since, 4th house represents mother, any planet placed in 4th from > another planet gives strength to the planet in 10th from it. Kindly > excuse me if I totally missed the point. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu Dear Manu, Dadhi and list members, If you all have any chart with proper birth time and known events then please list them. Then you can practice the basics and find out why certain things happened at such and such time. That will make learning on real charts and more fun and meaning ful. Like that you should solve some charts and then once you start to get a proper approach and get stronger in fundamentals then we can start to take more blind charts. Then you will get more and more confidence. Stronger the basics more will be the clarity. Some of the questions that most people ask 1) Health 2) Job - a) When will I get job ? b) When will I get promotion ? c) Layoffs ? d) Bonus ? e) Stress non cooperation at work 3) Income / Finance a) Why do I have debt ? b) How will my such and such period will be for income ? c) Financial Crunch / Crises d) Best periods / Favourable periods for income e) When will one be able to repay debt 4) Marriage a) Marriage happened but no happiness why ? b) Why is there delay in marriage ? c) When will one Marry ? d) Seperation e) Multiple Marriages f) Timing of Happy marriages g) Timing of Unhappy marriages 5) Children a) Trying for children but no sucess why ? b) Delayed in childbirth c) When will one have a child ? d) Will the child be Male/Female/Twins ? e) Ceasearean birth ? f) Miscarrages why ? 6) Court Cases - Legal Matters 7) House / Home / Car / Luxuries a) When will one be able to buy a house 8) Career / Education a) Inclination to a career b) Intellegence of a person c) Knowledge/degree/postgraduate d) Travelling abroad for education e) Scholarhips 9) Service / Business a) Are there indications for business ? If you observe closely you will see that most people ask such / these questions. If you are able to answer these questions you will be able to help a lot of people. Cheers !!! Ash Hello Ash and List members, In lesson 21, Vyavasaya Jataka (Occupation), Step four for the sample horoscope states that Me and Sa have good points for all 12 houses as per the worksheet. Does this mean that we have to construct 12 worksheets with each house as House B to determine the occupation planets. That is too much work, isn't it? Is my understanding correct? I don't think so. Can you please explain the procedure of step 4 in more detail. Also I was analyzing a horoscope and I found that hs10 and hs11 from lagna have 28, 29 points in SAV and hs10 and hs11 from Mo have 24 and 37. So, what do we predict?: 1. Less effort, more earnings, or, 2. More effort, less earnings. It will be a nice idea to analyse horoscope as exercise problems. I am always for this technique. Ash do you have any good horoscopes for us. I shall try and ask my friends for their horoscopes. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, Please consider the latitude and long. The place is not Bombay. sorry about the confusion. March 8, 1967 17.50 IST 26n17, 73E04 Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash and members, Here is my attempt... Below is the chart, both D-1 and D-9. +--------------+ |Ve Sa |Ra | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Su MeR | |JuR | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| D-1 |-----------| | | |Lg | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | |Mo |Ma Ke | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ +--------------+ | Ke |MeR |Su | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | |JuR | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| D-9 |-----------| | Ve Ma | | | | | | | | | | Mo Lg | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | |Sa Ra | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ > Chart data: male born 8th of march 1967 at 17h50 in Bombay > Zone 5.30 73E4 – 26N17 -ayanamsa 22:23:5 > > Question : > > 1. When did the native marry ? House A is Virgo, aspected by Ve (badly, because Ve has more points) and Sa (positively, because Sa has low points). However, Sa aspects house A, but there is no delay because the aspect of Ju (this rule is mentioned in one text). Karaka of A is Me, situated in Saturn's house, house B. Venus is not far away from Su, not in bad nakshatra, but it is with 6th lord (Sa). That is not so good. Fortunately, Ve is strong and not too close to Saturn. Saturn aspects in D-9 are not related to ABC houses, so no delay. Using KAS, it seems that native got married in Rahu dasha when he was 19-21 years old. Rahu acts like Mars (LoD and also FK for 2nd and 9th houses) and Ve (karaka for marriage). Bhukti should be Ve or Su or Mo. Su and Mo more likely, because Mo is LoE and Su is placed in B. Both are weak in WS, but Mo slightly... > 2. When did conception of his children occur (native has one male and > one female child) ? 5th house rules children in male chart. 9th house is house C and 12th lord is karaka, as the lord of house A. Jupiter ( NK ) is situated in house A with more points. Both Jupiter and FK Moon are weak in WS (btw, most of planets). LoD and LoE are strong in WS. 5th house is aspected by Rahu and Saturn. Rahu afflicts it, and Saturn aspect is good. According to the rules, no zero points should be in 9th, and here we have zero point. I do not know what to do with it........ this person has children. According to the rules, DBCE points are in increasing order and female child should be first. But, to tell you sincerely, I do not know how to find conception time using KAS. I do not know the rules. > 3. Has this person his own business or has he a job related to > "service" Points DBCE from 6th (as B) are very good, ascending (not zig-zag) for own business. His confidence is good. He can save some money. > 4. Why did the native face troubles (cash-flow) since 1999 > and is the situation improving now ? Saturn gives zero points for Aries, and from/during 1999 Saturn was there. So, bad luck and hardships. Regarding situation now, he is in Ma Bhukti, and Ma is strong in WS only for four houses, 4,7,11 and 12th. If we look at 11th as gains, situation should be better these days. Ju in transit is in good place where he has 6 points, Saturn so so... but situation seems to be better. All the best, Dadhi Dear Dadhi, Let me first Congratulate you on your attempt and answer. You have a natural knack for financial astrology. You pointed out exactly with WS and Transit of Shani. I will write in more detail on this chart explaning each event in detail. Let me also congratulate you on observing the zero point in the 9th house and being quizzed on what it meant. You clearly found out that there was not delay due to Shani in this chart. This is correct. Margarita has pointed out that we check Shanis aspect on house ABC in Rasi only and Lords of LoA, LoB and LoC in Navamsa and Rashi. In any case now you know this. There is additional delay due to that 1 zero point. This delay is over and above delay due to shani which in this case shani is not causing delay. So just small delay due to 1 zero point. We check distance of Venus to Sun and not Saturn. Shani enhances the bad qualities of Venus. You have raised an interesting question on why there was child birth despite a zero in 9th. Here let me point out a few things. A zero in 9th house or 8th house shows some deficiency in those areas. Here this person has the blessings of his Guru or Father. This is a special case. Here Self is Lagna and Guru/Father is 9th house. Look at the lords of Lagna/9th lords. They are in Nav- Pancham or 5:9 relation. This can also be checked in Navamsa as Rasi and Navamsa have equal status. Here its due to this fact that the delay causing and deficiency to dissipate. So person has child birth and will find himself lucky. Now for Financial part you were right on target. Here is something more I would like to add. Shani and Guru own last 4 houses of Kal purush chart. Here their transits are very important when you are studying finanicial astrology. Here Transit points of both Shani + Guru in the place where they are transitting must be atleast 8 and more. So generally when Shani transits a house with 0 points then unless Guru transits a house with 8 bindus their total will be LESS THAN 8. This is very important when studying finance. We should practice this as there are other parts to this when will come out when we solve more and more charts. But I am glad that you picked up the problem area and very correctly pointed out why the native felt a financial crunch. As soon as Shani moved out of Aries and Guru and Shani points totaled when to more than 8 the native started to find more ease in the financial area and things have begun improving. There is more to write but these were some points I found in your analysis. Very good attempt. With more practice you can pin point the event. You nearly zeroed in on the marriage antra and were right on spotting the financial problem area and this chart was tricky for that 1 zero point which you spotted so u were on the right track. Congratz !!! Cheers !!! Ash Hello Ash and List Members, Here is my attempt... The person does not seem to be very intelligent, hence he married. Just kidding! Well actually, I think his marriage took place in the period from 10/27/1990 to 12/3/1992 when {ju, ju} was in effect. This is based on the master worksheet with the following final values. Ju 17 Ma 13 Me 13 Mo 11 Su 10 Sa 3 Ve 1 Ju is also placed in E. I used Sanjay's worksheet. There seems to be a minor defect. In sheets H1 to H12, Cells D30-J30 incorrectly add the ashtakavarga points rather than 5. Hence, ju's points turn out to be 18 rather than 17 in the sheet. The other two transit planets are Ma and Me. However, since Ma gets only 9 points for 2nd house, I do not take its effect for transit. Me gets 18 points for house 2. Hence, transit planets are Ju and Me. To narrow down the time, I used punarvasu in gemini for sun's transit, the former ruled by Ju and latter by Me. Su was transitting Gem, Punarvasu from 7/5/1990 to 7/15/1990, 1991 and 1992. Why would he marry when there were rains near Mumbai??? (Incase he did get married where he was born.) Since, Saturn causes full delay in the chart, the marriage may be likely in the last section of time. i.e. 7/6/1992 to 7/15/1992 when he was 25. Fairly ok time for Indian male marriage. For conception, we consider the first subperiod of strongest significator for childbirth, i.e. Me with 18 points. So it may have happened in {Ju, Me} dasha from 6/3/1995 to 8/27/1997. I don't know how to narrow down the time. Since the sarva points for hs3, hs6, hs10, hs11 are in straight order being 29, 31, 31, 35, the native should be doing business with success. Also, it seems that his business might be related to working at night time due to points in hs4, hs5, hs6 and hs7 being high. In 1999, {Ju, Ve} was in effect. Both have only 2 points in master worksheet for Hs2! Hence, the cash flow problem. Actually I am just guessing for this one. I don't know how else to find the answer. Well, there can be two types of defects in the above analysis, first there might be some calculation mistakes since, I recently added support for dashas and Krushna's ayanamsa to my app. And secondly there can be a lack of understanding on my part. That's it. Thanks for your patience. Regards, Manu Dear Manu, Brilliant Analysis. Here are some points 1) You have picked up the marriage antra perfectly. The marriage did happen in Jupiter antra. So Congratz !!! 2) The worksheet is proper. If a planet has more points than 5 then we add those points as that would give proper picture. Both the worksheets are proper. 3) You are right, the native is doing business. 4) You are also right about the antra of the child birth. Congratz !!! 5) Financial astrology part I have answered in more detail to Dadhi. 6) You have the worksheet and 11th is for income. Transit of Guru and Shani are very important. These should give you a proper picture. Only 1 thing I wanted to point out was the fact that there is no full delay so marriage should have occured in 2nd sector however here lagna/9th are in 5:9 so the native has blessings of Guru so first sector can give. Very nice attempt. Here are the dates 1) Marriage date : 24th November 1991. 2) First child is male, born in November 1992 (conception about feb.1992) =Jup./Jup. 3) Second child is female born in July 1996 (conception in oct/nov 1995) = Jup./Merc. 4) Native is doing business 5) Cash flow problems due to Sa + Ju transit and Antra. Margarita has done a detailed analysis and write up on this chart and once Krushnaji approves it we will try to put it up in the file section. It is a very detailed analysis. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Sateesh, Manu, Dadhi, Puneet and List Members, Sateesh has shared his chart with list members. Apr 15,1973 Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 Hounslow, England Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 Lagna using Krushna's ayanamsa - 28:56 Virgo - and Virgo rises in Navamsa too To practice financial astrology can you study his chart and just overall at antra level and say how his Shani, Venus, Sun antras were in terms of Work, Income, Job, Expenses. Hint : Look at WS and compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th (effort, income, expenses) , 6th, (job) and change of job (5th). How do you think his next antra that is about to start which is Moon will be ? Just a high level antar dasha analysis. This is to demonstrate and bring out the technique on how powerful WS is where you can see results at a glance. Hopefully Sateesh can give us feedback on your analysis directly. Cheers !!! Ash Hello Sateesh, Ash and List Members, Here is my attempt... SAV for 10th 11th and 12th are 26, 36, 26. The return you get as compared to your effort is quite high. Also, your expenses are constrained allowing you to save a lot of money. Su seems to be the important occupation planet in your chart since it is the lord of the navamsa house where 10th lord from lagna, sun as well as moon in rasi are situated in navamsa. Hence, your job might be related to position of authority which requires wisdom of approach due to Jupiter. 5th and 6th points are 29, 37. Also strength for the 5th house indicate you will change jobs frequently. hs11 strengths indicate that all planets favour a good flow of income to your pocket. Beleive me Sateesh, you seem to be blessed by Goddess Laxmi! Antras of Su, Ve Sa help you gear forward in your professional field. Antra of Sa might not be favourable for you to change jobs. Your Moon antra began since 9/9/2003 and will be till 3/2/2005 in ra mahadasha. This period will be marked with job changes for your benefit. It might also be a period when you may buy a house, or a car etc. Except for the 12th, Mo has very good strength points for all areas of life. This will be a very favourable period for you. Thanks & Regards, Manu > To practice financial astrology can you study his chart and just > overall at antra level and say how his Shani, Venus, Sun antras were > in terms of Work, Income, Job, Expenses. > > Hint : Look at WS and compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th > (effort, income, expenses) , 6th, (job) and change of job (5th). Points are in increasing order only from Sun, and are in zig-zag order from Lg and Mo, so it seems that Sateesh has some service. This seems to be so as 3rd has more points than 11th. But, this service looks like good position, possibly some authority post. He can save money, can get money easily, without much effort ( 10th, 11th, 12th are 26, 36, 26 respectively) from Mo and Lg, and 29, 37, 21 from Su. So, no problem to save money. His income is legal as 8th has low points. High SAV in the 6th indicates good reputation in society. Good job. But, since 6th lord Sa aspects 11th, and 6th, some caution is needed with possible investments (specially Ju/Sa period and later). Regarding income (11th), all planets are strong in WS, and not so strong in for 12th. That is positive in his chart. Sateesh is in Rahu period, who acts as Venus and Jupiter (Venus nakshatra and Jupiter sign). Venus is very strong in WS, and good lord (lord of 2nd and 9th) for luck and money. So, overall, Ra period should be good. Also, taking 11th house as house B, 6th as A, 3rd as C - all houses are VERY strong. Even NK Mercury is strong in WS for 11th. Money could come from wife too. All periods: Ra/Ke, Ra/Ve, Ra/Su are good. Shani period would be generally bad, as Sa is weak for all houses except 2nd and 11th. Only 2/11 prosper in Sa bhukti. Su and Ve are good, but due to weak Ve in the 10th, some problems in carrier in Ve period. > How do you think his next antra that is about to start which is Moon > will be ? Mo is strong in WS for 2,4,6,7,10 and 11th house. So overall good time for above mentioned houses. That means income, position, relationships, reputation, home and wealth. It seems that better time is during Mo antra. Ju will move to Virgo (not so excellent), but Sa to Cancer (very good). Ju has less points in Vi, but Sa more in Cn .... but Cn has high SAV points. But, when Ju moves to Libra after some time and Sa comes back from Gemini, that will be powerfull period for income..... but it is Ra/Ma period. I hope that my attempt has some sense.... All the best, Dadhi Hello List Members, Here are the chart details of my friend. Female, 20 Nov 1976, 3:34 pm. Mumbai, India. Lat: 18.55N, Long: 72.54E, DST: 0, Zone: 5hr 30mins Asc is Pis 24:04 She is unmarried and the delay in marriage is a cause of concern for her parents. A. Can you identify why there was a delay in her marriage? When will the marriage be likely and will the marriage bring happiness for her? B. Are there any combinations that indicate change of jobs, foreign travel, good income. C. Were the previous 3 years beneficial for her family? How good is the current antra? I shall myself try to analyse this chart too for Ash and others to verify. Thanks & Regards, Manu Messages Messages Help Reply | Forward | View Source | Unwrap Lines Message 5920 of 7835 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # "ashsam73" <ashsam73> Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:52 pm Sateesh Chart - Further Note Dear Sateesh, Manu, Dadhi, Puneet and all, I have read your answers, but I have to rush to the airport. I shall reply in more detail later on. All are on proper track. Here I would like you all to observe the points in each antra in the Worksheet. So say for example, take Sateesh's Venus antra. In that if you observe check points gotten by Venus for 10th, 11th and 12th house. That will show you HOW MUCH EFFORT V/S INCOME V/S EXPENDITURE would be there. This is a powerful concept that one can appy to see how each antra will act. Re-Visit both the charts and check the antra and also check antra of Moon for Sateesh to make a future (and near by prediction) on how his Moon antra will be. Manu, I saw that there was slight difference in the start of Moon antra for Sateesh. Moon antra starts on 13th of Feb 2004 for Sateesh. Right now he is in the very end of Sun antra as per KAY (Krushnas Ayanamsa). Ok, got to rush... Cheers !!! Ash Hello Ash, Sateesh and all, Here's my attempt, please correct me where needed: We know that loss of job was Oct. 5 2001 during Rahu/Venus. ·Sub of 2nd lord (venus) was running so more worry is indicated ·Venus also has 17 points for 2nd house so worries would be felt more than less ·Venus is also natural samdharmi to 6th lord (Saturn) who is aspecting B, D, and E for 6th house ·Saturn is also 12L from B so no satisfaction for 6th house under its influence ·In navamsa Saturn is aspecting Venus ·Through 4/10 Venus is samdharmi to Mars (LOD for 6th) ·In worksheet Venus gives less than 12 points for 6th house – job,and 10th house –status of the person so during that period could be loss of job ·Expenses would be manageable because Venus gives higher points in WS for 12th house? 2nd and 8th house points are good, maybe he got help from unearned source i.e. from family? ·Antra of sun gives relief by escaping period of 6th lord but Sun is samdharmi to 2nd lord Ve so worries remain. In sun's sub points in 6th and 10th are good so he could get a job and his status therefore increased from being unemployed. Points for earning income from 11th are also good, points for 12th show expenditures being there also. I do not understand how 5th house plays into this. ·I think there was delay in getting the job because Saturn is aspecting houses C and D taking 6th as B, and Jupiter is aspecting E and A. This may be a trend that he has to face i.e. delay factor for job ·During moon antra there may be a change in job giving more status 6,10,and 11 remain good in WS and there also shows change of authority from low points for 5th house. Probably involving him moving from to a foreign place due to very low points for 12th in WS?? Ash and Margarita please comment,correct and add as appropriate. thanks, Puneet , "ashsam73" <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Sateesh, Manu, Dadhi, Puneet and List Members, > > Sateesh has shared his chart with list members. > > Apr 15,1973 > Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 > Hounslow, England > Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 > > Lagna using Krushna's ayanamsa - 28:56 Virgo - and Virgo rises in > Navamsa too > > To practice financial astrology can you study his chart and just > overall at antra level and say how his Shani, Venus, Sun antras were > in terms of Work, Income, Job, Expenses. > > Hint : Look at WS and compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th > (effort, income, expenses) , 6th, (job) and change of job (5th). > > How do you think his next antra that is about to start which is Moon > will be ? > > Just a high level antar dasha analysis. > > This is to demonstrate and bring out the technique on how powerful WS > is where you can see results at a glance. > > Hopefully Sateesh can give us feedback on your analysis directly. > > Cheers !!! > Ash Dear Puneet, Many thanks indeed - please see CAPS - - "pjoshi1975" <sunnyjoshi25 Sunday, January 25, 2004 5:26 PM Re: More Practice Charts We know that loss of job was Oct. 5 2001 during Rahu/Venus. ·Sub of 2nd lord (venus) was running so more worry is indicated ·Venus also has 17 points for 2nd house so worries would be felt more than less ALL CORRECT. MUCH INCOME, BUT MUCH WORRY/TENSION TOO. ·Venus is also natural samdharmi to 6th lord (Saturn) who is aspecting B, D, and E for 6th house ·Saturn is also 12L from B so no satisfaction for 6th house under its influence ·In navamsa Saturn is aspecting Venus YES TO ALL POINTS. ·Through 4/10 Venus is samdharmi to Mars (LOD for 6th) PLEASE ELABORATE ON WHAT THIS INDICATES. ·In worksheet Venus gives less than 12 points for 6th house - job,and 10th house -status of the person so during that period could be loss of job GOOD POINT. ·Expenses would be manageable because Venus gives higher points in WS for 12th house? 2nd and 8th house points are good, maybe he got help from unearned source i.e. from family? VERY GOOD, EXPENSES WERE JUST ABOUT MANAGEABLE (I SPENT A LOT!) - HAD TO TURN TO FAMILY FOR FINANCIAL SUPPORT WHEN I CAME CLOSE TO RUNNING OUT OF MONEY. ·Antra of sun gives relief by escaping period of 6th lord but Sun is samdharmi to 2nd lord Ve so worries remain. In sun's sub points in 6th and 10th are good so he could get a job and his status therefore increased from being unemployed. YES - AS PER MY REPLIES TO MANU AND DADHI, THIS WAS ATTAINED RIGHT AT END OF LAST SECTOR OF SUN - ASH MAY HAVE EXPLAINED WHY JOB WAS DELAYED TO LAST SECTOR - IF NOT, HE CAN TELL YOU :-) . Points for earning income from 11th are also good, points for 12th show expenditures being there also. I do not understand how 5th house plays into this. MOST INCOME THROUGHOUT SUN HAS BEEN THROUGH SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS (SUN IS IN 8TH) - I HAVE ALSO SPENT WHERE I COULD ON LUXURIES, ETC. - ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY FAR LESS SO THAN THE AMOUNT I COULD SPEND ON LUXURIES IN VENUS ANTRA (AS I WAS IN GREAT JOBS IN ITS FIRST 2 SECTORS). ·I think there was delay in getting the job because Saturn is aspecting houses C and D taking 6th as B, EXCELLENT - YES, DELAY TO LAST 1/3RD WAS DUE SATURN ON B,C,D FOR 6TH. and Jupiter is aspecting E and A. WHAT IS RELEVANCE OF JUPITER HERE? JUPITER CONTRIBUTED TO DELAY? This may be a trend that he has to face i.e. delay factor for job OK. ·During moon antra there may be a change in job giving more status 6,10,and 11 remain good in WS and there also shows change of authority from low points for 5th house. Probably involving him moving from to a foreign place due to very low points for 12th in WS?? THIS NEW EMPLOYER IS STRONGLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIGGEST AIRLINES - AND I AM BASED IN AIRPORT - PERHAPS IF I PROGRESS IN THE COMPANY, I MAY GET TO USE THE LOW POINTS MOON GIVES FOR 12TH HOUSE. I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED. Ash and Margarita please comment,correct and add as appropriate. thanks, Puneet GREAT WORK. Best - Sateesh. Dear Ash and Puneet, Please see my feedback in ** ** . - "ashsam73" <ashsam73 Monday, January 26, 2004 4:30 PM Re: More Practice Charts Dear Puneet, Here are my answers in CAPS. Sateesh can clarify. Very nice attempt. Cheers !!! Ash , "pjoshi1975" <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > We know that loss of job was Oct. 5 2001 during Rahu/Venus. ·Sub of 2nd lord (venus) was running so more worry is indicated ASH : TRUE. ** Yes. ** > ·Venus also has 17 points for 2nd house so worries would be felt more than less ASH : YES. ** Correct. ** ASH : IN THE WORKSHEET POINTS OF 12TH ARE MORE THAN 11TH AND 10TH ARE LESS THAN 11TH. VENUS IS GETTING 10 FOR 10TH HOUSE, 15 FOR 11TH AND 18 FOR 12TH HOUSE. STUDYING THE STATUS OF VENUS AND VENUS IS LOE FOR 12TH HOUSE. SO IT WILL GIVE LUXURIES, TRAVEL, MORE EXPENDITURE. CHECK WHERE IT HAS LESS POINTS. ** Yes, it gave all these things. bought new car, foreign travel with free plane tickets, spending money on video games, etc. ** ASH : VERY NICE ANALYSIS. ITS ALSO HOUSE OF CROWN. HERE SUN HAS 12 POINTS SO CAN GO EITHER WAY. SUN IS ALSO IN 8TH HOUSE WITH LOW BINDUS SO IT CONTROLS AND INFLUENCES 11TH HOUSE. LAGNA/SUN/MOON AND THEIR 10TH LORDS FROM THEM ARE ALL IN NAVAMSA OF SUN SO NATIVE IS MORE INCLINDED OR ATTRACTED TOWARDS EITHER GOVERNMENT JOBS OR JOBS WITH HIGH AUTHORITY. ** Correct on all points. Most of my employment has been either in Government jobs, or in Airlines/Airports/national Telecoms - and in the U.K., the airlines/airports/telecoms are now all privatised sectors, BUT run very much in the way Government sector does - since they ALL used to be Government controlled. ** ASH : FOR DELAY, WE CHECK SHANIS ASPECT ON HOUSE ABC IN RASI AND LOA, LOB AND LOC IN RASHI AND NAVAMSA. IF ALL 3 ARE AFFECTED THEN FULL DELAY. HERE KEEP 6TH AS B AND A BECOMES LAGNA AND C BECOMES 10TH. LOA AND LOC ARE BOTH MERCURY AND LOB IS SHANI HIMSELF. MERCURY IS ASPECTED BY SHANI. SO FULL DELAY. SO JOB WILL COME IN LAST 1/3RD SECTOR OF SUN ANTRA. ** Yes, that is correct. Right at end of last 1/3rd. ** > ·During moon antra there may be a change in job giving more status 6,10,and 11 remain good in WS and there also shows change of authority from low points for 5th house. Probably involving him moving from to a foreign place due to very low points for 12th in WS?? ASH : VERY NICE. ALSO CHECK POINTS OF SUN FOR 4TH HOUSE. HERE FOR 4TH HOUSE ITS HAVING MORE POINTS AND MOON IS IN HOUSE D WITH MORE POINTS FOR 4TH AS B AND ALSO FOR 8TH HOUSE ITS IN HOUSE E WITH MORE BINDUS SO BETTER RESULTS FOR THESE HOUSES. ** Does this imply I will be happier staying in this country (4th) in Moon Antra, and less happy (low 12th points for Moon) if I go overseas (in the Moon Antra)? ** Many thanks - Sat. Dear Sanjay, I have not found any E mail, in October. Any how, I remember some thing, It may be with respect to the ascendent. If one ascendent gives 36:22:30:and 33 in 3:6:10:and 11 house then the person can be in good post. Here his 3rd house is hightest, so his dreams are very high, Sixth is social status is only 22, Work is 30 and income is 33. More income is possible only when the person is in authority and responsibility. For second case 28:29:32:31, Means doing hard work and getting less return. The points in 10th house are more then in 11th house. krushna , "Sanjay Jaggia" <sanjaygg@l...> wrote: > Respected Krushnaji, > > This is in one of your emails in October where you were looking at > rectifying a chart and trying to choose between Capricorn or Sagittarius > ascendants. The following two options were coming and you had given your > interpretation. > > > >In one of your messages, you had interpreted the points in this way: > > > > > >36:22:30:33 ->The person should be in service, but should have some > > >authority and should have somewhat sophisticated work. > > > > > >28:29:32:31 -> This indicates hard work and less income compared to work > > >(more work by hand than head). > > > > > I just wanted to know the reasoning behind this. > > Kind regards > Sanjay Dear Sanjay, Plerase read my earlier mail, I have given it for general nature, it means this can be used for each and every house. Again I am giving it. wHEN THE POINTS IN D,B,C,AND E ARE IN INCREASING ORDER, THE RESULT OF HOUSE B IS MUCH GRACEFUL. If we take the case of marriage if points in 4th, 7th, 11th and 12th are in increasing order, we can say a very happy marriage life. Now a days it is very difficult to find such case, because now life is a adjustment. krushna Respected Peterji, Pranam, I appreciate the hard work you are doing to learn this system. I will put my comments in Capital and in bracket near to the point. krushna >"Peter Sutcliffe" <petermay@p...> > > >Re: Complete analysis >Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:11:41 +1000 > >Respected Krushna, >I have been trying to catch up with all the correspondance on Ron's chart >but it comes in quicker than I can keep up with. >I will not give the answers to the exercise set earlier although I have >done >it. The answers ahve been given several times already and it seems >pointless >just to repeat them. I have however been looking at the the analysis of >Ron's chart for his marriage, the separation, and the birth of the >children. >My reasoniong does not seem to be exactly the same as the others so perhaps >you could look at it and tell me if it is acceptable. I have also added a >couple of questions at the end. >Ron's Marriage. House 7 = B >Using house 7 as B I got Ju=30 ( CORRECT, BUT AFTER CONSIDERING AGAIN THE >SIGHT OF 12TH LORD FROM HOUSE B I.E. SATURN IT COMES TO 23) points Venus >23, Mercury 19 (IT SHOULD BE 7 AFTER CONSIDERING THE POINTS GAINED BY THE >SIGHT OF SATURN BEING 12TH LORD FROM HOUSE B ) and Mars 18(IT SHOULD BE 23, >YOU MAY NOT HAVE CONSIDERED THE SIGHT OF JUPITER). >Me and Venus both aspect house B and are disqualified but Ju and Mars are >both suitable for the marriage.( HERE JUPITER IS WITH 23, MARS WITH 23, >VENUS WITH 23, SUN WITH 19, MOON WITH 18, SATURN WITH 9 AND MERCURY WITH 7 >ONLY. HERE MARS IS MORE EAGER TO GIVE THE MARRIAGE. ) Looking first at the >sub-periond of Ju I >find the first to be at age 10 and obviously too early, the second sub is >not then until the age of 43 which even by western standards is to delayed >in spite of the fact that Ju is aspected by Sa. Looking at Mars the first >sub is at age 6 ( too earlt ) and the next is from 8th Feb 1960 until 14th >Jan 1960, this would make him 24/25 years of age which is very suitable. I >would there expect the marriage to be peformed in this sub-period. It was >in >fact peformed 7th Oct 1960. >Separation. House 6 = B (THIS WAS NOT A SEPERATION, TEMP LIVING AT >DIFFERENT PLACES (VIYOG) THE MERCURY GIVES ONLY 7 POINTS, SO IT HAVE >SEPRATED THEM MERCURY = KETU = RAHU.) Although someone else suggested >using 2nd house for this event I felt that >the 6th would be better as it is 12th to the 7th indication loss of long >term relationship. I did in fact look at the 2nd house also and although >the >actual points differed the ranking of the planets in points order was >identical for both houses. For house 6 the points were Ju=42, Sa=31,Me=26. >Ju is disqualified as it aspects house C. Rahu can act as sandharmi to Ju >and so I would expect Ra sub to indicate the separation. As Ra is sandharmi >to Ju which is the most powerful planet on the chart I would expect it to >give protection to the marriage and thus the separation is not permanent. >I am not happy about this one as although the separation was not long it >was >definately a malefic event and as such I am not sure whether I should have >been using the highest point scorer or the lowest. >Birth of Children House 5 = B >Using house 5 as B the points were Ju=40, Sa = 25, Venus =24, Me = 24. With >Ju having maximum points at 40 and also being the main Karaka for children >this was the obvious choice however it is disqualified due to an aspect top >house A. Both Ra and Venus can act as sandharmi to Ju so this is where I >would look first. The first sub after the marriage is that of Ra and as >this >is the most likely time for child birth (THE LORD OF HOUSE D AND E HERE ARE >MERCURY AND VENUS, AND MERCURY IS REPRESENTED BY RAHU AND KETU, THE >CONCEPTION IS IN THIS PERIOD ONLY, AND OR THE POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR) I >would expect the first child to be >born in this sub which was from 14th Jan 1961 to 9th June 1963. The first >daughter was actually born 8th Feb 1962. >The first son was actually born in a Sa sub-period and I could find >nothing >to tie in this with the birth of a child particularly as Sa is disqualifed >by aspecting house C. The 2nd son was born in a Venus sub and as Venus is >sandharmi to Ju this could be expected. This particular sub is also the >first suitable sub-period after the birth of the 2nd child so again it is >quite suitable. ( FOR CONSIDERING THE CHILDREN WE MUST TAKE IT AS >CONCEPTION, ACTUAL BIRTH IS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED. HERE ALL THE THREE ARE IN >LINE WITH THE SYSTEM) > >Comments on the above would be appreciated Mr Krushna and I have one >question. Could you please give me a fuller explanation regarding Ra/ Ke >acting as sandharmi. Several people said that Ra would be sandharmi to Ju >and I take it that this was because Ra was in Sagittarius which is ruled by >Ju. You stated that Ke represented Me, I take it that this is because it is >in Gemini which is ruled by Mercury. I also think that Ra would be >sandharmi >to Ve because they are in the same sign and house in the navamsa and that >Ra could be sandharmi to Ke as Ke is the a constellation ruled by Ra ( >Ardra).( CORRECT) >(I HOPE THIS WILL CLEAR ALL THE POINTS. ) >Yours trespectfully, >Peter >I will now continue to try and catch up on all the other mail over >Chrismas. >THANKS KRUSHNA > Respected Krushnaji, I have been looking at some charts of people I know and have been trying to see if they have the increasing points for D,B,C and E in some house. I checked about 15 charts and found that many of these have these points in at least some charts. I am giving some details of the persons and I would be grateful if you can inform me how to interpret this. 1. Male, 35 years old, Chief Executive of a small factory - His 8th house has 23:24:28:38 in D:B:C:E. His 6th house has 38:26:30:37. Now the 6th points are not in ascending order but these are ascending for B:C:E. 2. Male, 33 years old, started his own export trading business 2 years ago and is fairly successful - His 5th house has 21:23:27:33 and 6th house has 33:33:33:39. 3. Male 27 years, working as sales manager in an international company, doing well in his job - His 10th house has 27:29:28:40 which is not in ascending order but is generally increasing. 4. Male, 40 years, professional with his own very successful practice - His 1st house has 28:29:30:46 and 12th house has 18:24:30:30. Please advise if the same points in the last two house qualify as increasing points. 5. Male 45 years old, industrialist with several factories - His 11th house has 23:24:26:35. However, his 6th house points are not in ascending order. 6. Male 33 years, successful company executive - His 6th house has 28:31:35:43 points. Why is he not a successful businessman? 7. Male child 12 years with a history of epilepsy and learning difficulties - His 4th house has 25:27:28:28 and his 5th 26:28:28:36. Both houses are related with education, an area in which he has problems. 8. Female, 36, Reiki Master, very high spiritual energy level - Her 9th house has 28:30:28:35 which is not in strict ascending order. Her 10th house has 20:26:35:35 but she does not have a job or business. Your explanations of all these cases would be highly appreciated. Kind regards Sanjay Dear Sanjay, We should take 3:6:10:11 from 'A', which gives the idea of the results for karkatva of 'A'. the result is connected to house 'C'. For being a successful businessman 3:6:10:and 11 th should be in increaseing order from ascendent and or Moon. This also gives good authority, good position of authority, or ownership, with some persons working under him. Please note that if a person gets good points for a perticular house, then he have to loose some thing. He can get his success at the cost of some other house. For Example if a person have points in 4th house, 7th house, 11th house, and 12th house in increaseing order, then we can say he is getting good marital life. At the same time his expenditure is more then his income. He enjoys the life, but with debt. Please check how you selected the houses. krushna Respected Krushnaji, I selected the houses as 3:6:10:11 from A. For example, when I mention that a person has increasing points for the 11th house, I take 6th house as A and then take the points of D(8th), B(11th), C(3rd), and E(4th). Could you please give me the explanations for the 8 cases cited by me? Kind regards Sanjay ----- Original Dear Sanjay, Answer in Capital AND NOTE AT THE BOTTOM. > >I have been looking at some charts of people I know and have been trying >to > >see if they have the increasing points for D,B,C and E in some house. I > >checked about 15 charts and found that many of these have these points in > >at > >least some charts. I am giving some details of the persons and I would be > >grateful if you can inform me how to interpret this. > > > >1. Male, 35 years old, Chief Executive of a small factory - His 8th house > >has 23:24:28:38 in D:B:C:E. IT MEANS HE IS HAVING GOOD COURAGE. DONT HAVE >GOOD MANAGEMENT, GOES IN OPTIMISTIC CONDITION, EARNING IS GOOD. IF HE WOULD >HAVE SERVED HE WOULD HAVE GOT MORE MONEY. HE MUST GET GOOD RESULT FOR 8TH >HOUSE. HE CAN NOT BE HAPPY COMPAIRED TO IF HE WOULD BE IN SERVICE. ASK HIM. His 6th house has 38:26:30:37. Now the 6th > >points are not in ascending order but these are ascending for B:C:E. THE SAME THING MUST BE CHECKED FROM MOON ALSO. ( MOON CHART, KEEP THE POINTS IN THE SAME WAY) > > 2. Male, 33 years old, started his own export trading business 2 years > >ago > >and is fairly successful - His 5th house has 21:23:27:33 and 6th house >has > >33:33:33:39. IT IS GOOD FOR OWN BUSINESS. THERE IS NO DEVIATION IN THE >POINTS. > > >3. Male 27 years, working as sales manager in an international company, > >doing well in his job - His 10th house has 27:29:28:40 which is not in > >ascending order but is generally increasing. THIS CAN GIVE HIM A GOOD >POST WITH AUTHORITY. > > > >4. Male, 40 years, professional with his own very successful practice - >His > >1st house has 28:29:30:46 GOOD ATRACTIVE PERSONALITY, CAN IMPRESS OTHERS, >AND HAVE GOOD CONVINCING POWER and 12th house has 18:24:30:30. Please >advise if > >the same points in the last two house qualify as increasing points.HERE >AGAIN NO DEVIATION. EQUAL POINTS MEANS NO DEVIATION iF WE PLOT A GRAPH IT >SHOULD NOT GO DOWN FOR GOD RESULT. > > >5. Male 45 years old, industrialist with several factories - His 11th >house > >has 23:24:26:35. However, his 6th house points are not in ascending >order. CHECK FROM MOON, HE MUST KEEP CHECK ON INVESTMENTS, OPTIMISTIC >CONDITION WILL MAKE HIM SUFFER IN THE END. LASTLY HE MAY HAVE TO LOOSE >MORE. > > > >6. Male 33 years, successful company executive - His 6th house has > >28:31:35:43 points. Why is he not a successful businessman? RESULT CAN BE >EITHER ON HIGHER POST OR OWN BUSINESS. BEING AN EXECUTIVE MUST HAVE MORE >SUBORDINATE. > > >7. Male child 12 years with a history of epilepsy and learning > >difficulties - His 4th house has 25:27:28:28 HE WILL HAVE GOOD KNOWEDGE >AND MUST BE GETTING MUCH SUPPORT AND LOVE FROM FAMILY and his 5th >26:28:28:36. Both > >houses are related with education, FOR DEGREE 9TH HOUSE an area in which >he has problems. > > >8. Female, 36, Reiki Master, very high spiritual energy level - Her 9th > >house has 28:30:28:35 which is not in strict ascending order. Her 10th > >house > >has 20:26:35:35 but she does not have a job or business. 10TH HOUSE IS >DEBILATED. 6TH HOUSE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. > > > >Your explanations of all these cases would be highly appreciated. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > NOW DEAR SANJAY, THIS IS ONE OF THE REQUIRMENT FOR HAVING GOOD >RESULT, IT ALONE CANNOT CONTROL THE THING. STATUS OF KARAK PLANET, LORD OF >D AND E , EFFECT OF 12TH LORD FROM 'B', NO ZERO POINTS BY ANY PLANET IN ANY >HOUSE, MAXIMUM PLANETS WITH LESS POINTS, SO BENEFIC SIGHT EFFECT, 4:10 >RELATION SHIP, YOGKARAK (ONE PLANET HAVING LORDSHIP OF 'A' AND 'B') eX MARS >FOR CANCER ETC. THEN THIS ASCENDING ORDER CAN GIVE GOOD RESULT. fROM THE >ABOVE DATUM LEVEL IS FIXED, THEN HOW MUCH ABOVE ONE CAN REACH CAN BE SEEN. >ALL THE PLANETS MUST HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS AS A SIGNIFICATOR FOR SUCH >HOUSE. THEN THE INCREASEING ORDER OF THE POINTS IN 3:6:10:11 WILL GIVE GOOD >RESULT, AND PERSON WILL NOT FACE ANY DIFFICULTY FOR THAT HOUSE. KRUSHNA > Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for your reply. So it means that this is just one of the things to be looked at and must be balanced with other influences. Also, we should see the houses both from ascendant and Moon. But will that not lead to more confusion? Or you mean that we should see the points of DBCE from both ascendant and the Moon? You had promised earlier that you would be sending us a list of which houses are taken as house B for which matter. I hope you are going to send this soon. Kind regards Sanjay Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for your reply. So it means that this is just one of the things to be looked at and must be balanced with other influences. Also, we should see the houses both from ascendant and Moon. But will that not lead to more confusion? Or you mean that we should see the points of DBCE from both ascendant and the Moon? You had promised earlier that you would be sending us a list of which houses are taken as house B for which matter. I hope you are going to send this soon. Kind regards Sanjay Respected Krushnaji, Last week you had posted a chart for study where a person died early. Now that we know that the person has died, we can justify. However, if we were looking at the chart blindly without having this information, then there are many puzzles. In the worksheet for 8th house, all planets are strong. The natural karak Mercury and the functional karak Jupiter both have more than 12 points. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus are all combust but the combustion is not within 3 degrees. Even if Saturn is the strongest significator, there were 4 sub periods before this so why should he have died in this one? The only connection with 12th lord is Moon being in D but it has 6 points so this is not so bad. You also mentioned that luminaries are not bad as 12th house lords. In the worksheet for the 7th house, the natural and functional karakas Venus and Saturn and strong and not spoiled due to any aspect or association with the 12th lord from 7. Venus is combust but is more than 3 degrees from the Sun so does not lose its karaktva. I thought the person gets married in the sub period of the significator with low points only if the karak is spoiled or if the 12th house lord casts serious bad aspects. In this case, it only aspects A. So why did the person get married in the sub of the 12th lord. I thought you had said that if the 12th lord has less points, it is better. In this case, it did not matter. So from what I see, we can explain the problems after these happen but we can't predict these from the chart. Please advise how these events could be predicted with more surety from the chart. Kind regards Sanjay Dear Sanjay, Yes, You are here, One of my prediction just came true. That is only you and you will ask such questions. I was aspecting this from you. Any how I will explain you all your quarries. For your information all my predictions for this person came true, except the date of his death found by me. He died six months earlier. My date was ahead by six months. To day is too late, Tomarrow I will explain the details, and will creat more questions for you. Cool Down for the time being. krushna Respected Krushna, I've gone again trough the worksheets of my own chart to find out how it can be explained that I married (I mean really married) during the period of Jupiter with only 3 points, the lowest of all. (27th of june 1964) In the worksheet points of Jupiter are very irregular and jump from 19 to minus 3 Jupiter is also the lord of the 12th from B. Lord of asc, Moon and Sun are in 6/8 relationship with the lord of the 7th. According to one of your remarks, when someone marries in the in a period of a weak planet the marriage breaks up later. Well, I'm still married to the same man and that since 36 years and without major ups and downs. Of course we don't agree everytime on everything but I would find life extremely boring if this was the case. Do you have any suggestion where or how to look ? Many thanks Margarita Dear Margarita, The results of the vedic astrology are based on the indian customs, and that too for olden age. At that time in India, Womens were not having any authority. They were not able to take any decision on their own account. All the decisions were taken by the male. Still in India position is not much changed. As on today also, 90% of the populatiom might be following the old customs. The vedic astrology laws are according to the same situation. Please go through the following example: 1. The Mars if it is in 12th, 1st, 4th 7th or 8th house if found in the chart the chart is called as MANGALIC. For that Similar person should be selected. Means the effect of the Mars should be nuetralised by the planetary combinations in chart of the spouse. It means the person having Mars in above places should be married with a person haveing Planetary combinations which nuetralises the effect. This means if the combination in two charts are nuetralised the malefic effect, there will not be any problem. 2. Apart from this if the planetary friendshp if in two charts is powerful there will not be any dispute which may go to the extreme end. I think if you if you overlape your husband's chart on your chart, then you may find that either his Saturn or Rahu is aspecting your Venus. Similarly his Mars must be aspecting your Venus. The Sun in his chart must be aspecting your Moon, or must be in same sign. These combinations give good friendship. This phenomenon over shedes the other malefic yoga of the chart, concerned with the marriage. In friendship person overlooks the drawbacks of his friends. The person is accepted with his deficiencies. No dispute arises on that account. In india the marriage is a tie between two persons. It brings limitation on both the persons, in behavier. Some restrictions are to be followed. In western culture it may be called as friendship tie, which may not put any restriction. So no disputes. While coming in contact with persons from Western culture, Knowing some informations, I came to the conclusion that the Marriage for the persons should be studied from fifth and 12th house, considering them as house 'B'. If such study is made for your chart, the complete scene changes. Jupiter becames more eager to give such relations. Lastly when for last 36 years you are in married life with the same person, with out any dispute, means you have good blessings from your ancestors, that you are enjoying. krushna Respected Krusshna, Thank you soo much for this long and elaborate answer. Indeed my husband's Saturn aspects my Venus His Mars is in the same house as my Venus His Sun is in the same sign as mine Our Moons have a 3/11 relationship I will look at this 5th and 12th house as B for marriage in the future because I understand the cultural differences you mentioned. Thanks once more Best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, Your husband and you have very good planetary relationship, which gives very good relations. It gives adjustment from both side, and both needs each other. Such couples should be taken as exceptions to all laws. krushna Respected Krushna, This is the chart of a person who has no children I tried to understand why female born 23 of june 1952 at 03.30 hours, zone -1 lat 7E29 Long 48N32 asc 23°26 taurus Sun 9°22 gemini - 3 bindus Moon 17°38 gemini - 3 bindus Mars 10°03 Libra - 4 bindus Mercury 25°06 gemini - bindus Jupiter 20°05 aries 6 bindus Venus 8°52 gemini 5 bindus Saturn 16°08 virgo 3 bindus By taking the 5th house (virgo) as B the Sun becomes the 12th lord and influences other plantes. BUT Sun canot take this negative signification of 12th lord. I feel Saturn's presence in the 5th is not a sufficient reason to deny children If I think about conception I can look at the 12th as B and there Jupiter as 12th lord is of course a restricting influence. But conception could have happend in other sub periods. If I look at the 9th house as B, Jupiter becomes again lord of the 12th from B and I have the same question This person said she didn't want any children. So where do I situate that ? Does your system explain the possibility of having or not having children, and/or also the possibility of not wanting any. By looking at her chart I have the feeling that she is too involved with herself to think about having children, but this has nothing to do with strenght of planets in worksheet. Could you comment on this chart please Many thanks Margarita Dear Margarita, Regarding no childern: With the given data, the ascendent is Gemini. Even If the DST considered it remain same. My Ayannansha came as 22:10:16, as per my computer. You have given Taurus ascendent. Please check the same. All other planets are within reasonable limit. The Moon ( lord of house D, gives zero in 12th house (A) and Saturn gives zero in 5th house (B). Lord of house C is situated in 12th from B. The F.Karak planet Venus, is in Ararda, which spoils it. and It is with in 3 degrees from Sun. So the F. Karak looses its karakatva. Zero Points due to Saturn in 5th house and zero points due to Moon in 12th house indicates no child. The Natural karak Jupiter is in the sight of Sixth lord ( of the chart), Mars, and also it is situated in the sign of mars. All these clealy indicates no child. krushna Respected Krushna, Thanks for answering my question. I understand perfectly the reasoning. The only problem is the asc. At that given time and place the Sun is far from up because it's if fact only 02h30 in the morning. Even if it's the longest day of the year in these latitudes, it's still night. I tried three different programs and with the same ayanamsa I obtain 23° Taurus. So the only possible error must be that the birthtime is not correct otherwise this problem cannot be explained. Thanks anyway for looking at the problem Best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, The Sun rise for the place is 2:34:34 am and sun set is 06:29:40 pm for the day. the Gemini ascendent starts at 1:54:57 am and ends 04:14:01. I think this will clear the matter. krushna Dear Anil Kedia, The stock market is based on the Government policy, and over all situation. The general trend of the stock market depends on the transit of the planets and finding the total points acquired by the planets in sarvastak. For India you can use the chart for 15th Aug 1947, time 00:01 am Delhi. Find the points for each day, as per the planetary position,Make the total. This way you can find points for all the days of the year. Then you can plot it on graph, so deviations or upgradation can be easily find out. This can give the trend of the market. It can give only 70% reliabilty for stock market. But indicates the overall situation of the country in very good manner. Points going instantaneously high indicates some good decision taken by or action taken by the government. Some times the action is delayed by some hours. krushna Respected Krushna, In following chart I just wondered if the person is not going to face some health and other problems in the coming years male born 18 august 1953 at 07h10 zone -1 makes 06h10 G.M.T. long 3E14 lat 51N13 ayanamsa 22:11:43 asc 18°03 leo - Sun 2°48 leo -/ Moon 7°37 scorpio -/ mars 20°18 cancer -/ mercury 15°08 cancer -/ jupiter 29°16 taurus -/ venus 24°01 gemini -/ saturn 0°45 libra -/ rahu 10°51 capricorn. As I got most of past events right(which is never difficult) I'm just wondering that his Venus dasha doesn't look so good. Venus is lord of the 3th which is house A for the 8th Jupiter becomes the 12th lord considering the 9th and the 6th as house B and Jupiter has 6 points, scoring -1 for the second house, the house of family and income; he also aspects the 6th of job where he gets 7 points. So I was thinking that Jupiter sub could bring some problems about income and job. In the 10th he is of course strong but his aspects are not. Saturn bhukti seems not happy for the 5th house (as B) because Saturn as lord of the 6th he aspects houses A B and C Mercury bukhti is not favourable because it's lord of the 2nd house Kethu bukti cannot bring much change because it is samdharmi to Moon who is very weak in the worksheet because of Jupiter's aspect. Kethu is also samdharmi to Saturn who is lord of the 6th and to Mercury through conjonction. Perhaps Mars who is very strong can bring some help ? But Mars is samdharmi to Moon and exchanges house with her ? I always get interesting answers and it helps me to reason more along your lines but I feel I have still a long way to go. If I'm not taking up too much of your time, I should appreciate your comments Many thanks and best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, You have written zone -1, I think it means GMT -1 , But from the calculations it seems you have taken it as day saving time(DST). So I have taken it in the same way. Your reading is very correct. I will add some more for your study, which may be helpful. 1. His Saturn is aspecting Mercury ( lord of A, and C for marriage) and Saturn it self is the lord of B, more over Saturn gives zero in 12th house, this indicates delayed marriage. Lord of asc, and 7th from it is in 3:11 , from Moon 2:12, from Venus 3:11. Means marrital life should be based on adjustment. 2. Points in 3:6:10 and 11th house are 26:28:36:28 indicates Service, and more responsibility compared to earning. From Moon 3:6:10:11 are 28:34:28:and 28 , indicates same. 3. Moon in fourth house in scorpio with 4 points indicates harse talk, but adjustive nature. 4. The ascendent , Moon and Sun in Navamansha, Drekkana, and Trishma chart no one is in the sign ruled by Saturn, indicates average brilliency. 5. Mars is getting power due to saturn in the fourth place, so mars becomes powerful. So result for 11th, 12th, 4th, 9th, 10th 2nd, and 1st house can be experienced in the sub of Saturn and Mars. Mars being the lord of house D, but gets power due to Saturn lord og 12th house from B, will not give good result for 7th house. 6. Saturn lord of 6th situated in 3rd house and having Zero in the 10th house from it, indicates some lungs problem, or similar troublein Saturn Sub. He might be having some problems regarding piles. 7. Current period will obstruct in personality developement and social status, and also for 9th house. 8. Jupiter sub period which is up to April 2003, will be helpful in eternal developement, He must be suggested to eat less spicy food. The Saturns travel in 12th house will be creating some worries, and at the same time he will have Mercury Sub. krushana Dear Members, Solving the blind analysis for any chart, for the event happen on any perticulat date. One should adopt following procedure, I think with a little practice, one can find reach to the perfection. 1. Cast the chart, for the person using his D.O.B, place of birth and time, using KRUSHNA'S AYANANSHA ONLY. This is more important. Result using this ayanansha are more correct. I recommond this ayanansha for any system, for better result. 2. Find the Vishontary Dasha, and Sub Dasha 3. Find out Main period lord and Sub period lord on the date of the event. 4. Find which houses are having lordship of main period lord, also find its samdharmi. The result is generally linked with the karkatva of the main period lord or its samdharmi. It can represent the house where it is situated. 5. Find the house/s the sub period lord rules, and the house where it is situated. The sub period lord generally gives the results of 4th or 8th house from its house or 4th or 8th house from its situation. If the samdharmi planet is aspecting any of the house A,B, C, so it can represents the samdharmi. ( this is going reverse way, As we say if any planet aspects houseA,B,or C then it's samdharmi will give the result) 6. We can find all the houses, for which the sub lord can give the result, and its karkatva related to the main lord. For Example if we take the case given by Exercise 5, or ABA 1 ( name given by Mr Ron) We can find that the main period was of Rahu, and Sub period was of Moon. Now Rahu is situated in 9th house, and represents Mars and Saturn. Mars is ruler of 2nd and 9th house. and Saturn is lord of 11th and 12th house. The Moon is sub lord and can can be said to give the result for the house 'B' are 8th, 12th, 2nd, and 6th house. For 8th house karkatva goes to Venus, for 12th house karak is Mercury, For 2nd the karkatva goes to Mars or Rahu, and for 6th house karak is Jupiter. The main period lord represents Mars so only 2nd house. The 2nd house represents the family, death of the husband etc. Now considering Family matter, Moon is weak significator, and also for the longevity of husband. Studying other factors, Natural Karak of marriage is Venus and is in krittika, spoils the marital happiness. It's situation in 2nd also bad. Mercury is more powerful for marriage, as it gets points from Saturn being in fourth house. But it has to do nothing with the current period. So it can be confirmed that in moon sub period is bad for the longevity of the husband. so we can say depart from her husband or demise of her husband. Similar procedure can be followed for solving any blind chart. krushna Respected Krushna, I try to find out when exactly this person is going to move. I mean by that a big move because he is going to Australia. So I thought at taking the 4th as B. The only thing which seems evident is that he is going to move before his moon subperiod starts in august but to pick out the right moment is difficult His tob is 04 april 1969 at 16h35 in Bujumbura Burundi lat 03S23 long 29E22. I'm just curious because different plantes can give the results although it is clear that it will happen in the sun sub; but I don't know where the Sun has to transit to make it happen. Thanks for looking into that if you have time Best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, I have taken the time zone GMT + 2 hours due to long 29:22. I think it should be correct. You said 'moving' it means migrating to australiya with his family, or going alone. If the action is of permanant nature then 3rd house should be treated as 'B'. If it is temparay shifting then 9th house and if it is only for travelling 12th house. In any case for finding the date of the event, the transit of sun should be in powerful significators ( Sign and constellation). krushna Dear Amitabh, House B is the house under focus. For example if you are timing marriage then the house to time marriage from is 7th house. So you consider 7th house as B. We call 7th house as "House B". Now Karak sthan for Marriage is 8th from 7th house or HOUSE B and that is denoted by HOUSE A. So that becomes 2nd house. The result or phalit sthan is called HOUSE C and that is 5th house from House B. House D and E are called Samrudhi sthan and are upchaya houses. House D is 10th house from House B so in our case for timing marriage House D would become 4th house and House E is 6th from House B so that is 12th house. So here I summarise. First find out the house or the event that you want to time. As per Vedic Astrolgy for each event there is a House. Choose that house and call that HOUSE B. Now once HOUSE B is fixed... the event and House B depend on other houses which being A,C,D and E. These Houses are House A = 8th From reference of House B. House B = House under Focus House C = 5th From reference of House B. House D = 10th From reference of House B. House E = 6th From reference of House B. I hope the terminology is clear. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Samina, I casted the chart with the data, You have said that the time is approimate. Based on the event of his first marriage, I think he may have been born earlier than the time given. Marriage in Shani antra seems proper and also the seperation and divorse are in line in Mercury antra. First lets study the basic indication in the chart. I am taking the chart with Leo Lagna. Krushnaji and Margarita may feel free to correct me. Here are some laws that can be seen from the chart : 1) With Krushnas Ayanamsa I am getting Guru at 0Li10 so its position in Rashi and Navamsa is in Libra. This spoils Guru. 2) 6th lord is in 4th house. 3) Lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8, Moon and 7th lord are in 2:12 and Sun and 7th lords are in 4:10. Other Aspects - Profession 4) 3:6:10 points are rising and can show that the person is very independent in nature. 5) 10th lords from lagna/sun/moon are in navamsa of sun, guru, guru. So the native might be in more advisory position or management or teaching position in a graphics designing firm. 6) Lagna/Sun/Moon are in more sectors of Mercury and Venus. Timing of Events. The only event given is that the native married on 4th November 1986 and divorsed in less than 3 years. With Leo lagna I am getting full delay. After the delay Shan i antra is running. Shani has lowest points for 7th house. So person will marry during that time and as per the laws given, when an event happens in lowest points it will break during planet with highest points or LoD or LoE. So when Ketu antra kicked it and Ketu is in sign of Mars and in nakshtra of Ketu so Ketu is SD to Mars who is LoD. So more possibilities of breaking of marriage during Ketu antra. Mars also has the highest points for 7th house. So BASED ON THIS ONLY EVENT the timing is matching as per the system. I am not going in further to zoom into the proper sector as 1 event is not enough for it. Krushnaji and Margarita and others more senior may add or correct me. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , "saminamalik50" <saminamalik50@h...> wrote: > DOB 12 July 1958 > Place Lahore.Pakistan.Time approx 10.05 am > Male,by profession a graphic designer. > > He married on 4Nov 1986 and divorced his wife after a little less > than 3 years.{date not well known}Has a boy from this wife. > He has his Jupiter in Libra which is the only reason for a unhappy > married life in his chart. > > He again married after a few years and is pulling on well with his > second wife.Has one boy and 2 girls from his second wife. > > WHAT I AM TRYING TO LOOK FOR: > His first wife complained and he confessed that he has no interest in > sex which was the basic reason for divorce.{he usually used to stay > away for weeks from home inspite of the fact that he was in the same > town} > > Can any senior member help diagnose this chart for learning point of > view. > > RGds These days I am in a fix,trying to use the benifits of astrology. Krushna Jee and senior members may please give a guideline. DOB 18th Nov 1979 Place Kasur Pakistan Time 2.30Pm 74.28 E 31.07 N Guru Krushna system shows the following points when 7th house is taken as B Me 25 ve 20 mo 19 su 17 sa 14 ma 13 ju 5 Since he has Venus in Jyethia nakshatra I would like to see that he gets married in the sub period of the planet which does not disturb his married life. FIRST OPTION: If I marry him now in the Sub period of mercury{which has highest points} then the next sub period which is that of Ketu which is Samdharmi to Saturn in Navamsa chart{lying in the same house} since he has an infflicted Venus {has 3rd sight of Saturn and 4th of Mars and Saturn also aspects sun}the chances of a separation are there when Saturn transits the 6th house {end of a relationship} during the sub period of Ketu. SECOND OPTION: I should marry him in the sub period of Venus{which starts on 8th of Dec 2006} which is followed by sub of sun ,moon,mars which will take him to the end of 2014 an age of 35 years when he will be mature enough to take care of himself. A little thinking by fellow members will be highly appreciated. Rgds Dear Krushnaji, Samina, Margarita and list members, You have raised a good topic for discussion. I will put down my thoughts and others may join in ... Lets start with discussing Houses and what it means. 12th house ---------- 12th house is house of enjoyments, Moksha apart from other things. Its House E for 7th as B. Its House D for 3rd as B. Its House C for 8th as B. It is A for 5th house and B for result of enjoymenet, Moksha etc. 12th house is that of Long Journeys. So I would think that 12th house as B could mean long distance travels or travels overseas in todays context. 12th house is also House C for 8th house i.e. like result after death or phalit sthan of death. Maybe journey to next life....... ????. 12th house is also house of Moksha and enjoyments. 3rd House --------- 3rd House. 3rd house as B, for that 12th house becomes D and 10th house as B then 3rd house is E. So its eager to give Authority and pleasures or long journey. 3rd house is also 12th from 4th house and 4th house is HomeLand apart from other things. As per KAS we know about that 12th from B and its effect on B. So it could mean displacing a person from Home Land, for a long journey (12th house is House D) and also might get Authority in another country (10th house). Maybe one can say that one Migrates (12th from 4th) to another country overseas (12th) where he gets authority (10th). 9th house --------- 9th house is 12th from 10th house. Its House D for 12th as B. It is also House E for 4th house as B. Here it could mean or translate into Travel due to change of authority (12th from 10th) to another location (12th) but within Home Land (4th). So maybe travel due to work. 7th house --------- 7th house is Karak for 12th as B. It is 4th from 4th house so its subordinate to 4th house so will try to help 4th house and 4th house being home land. It is House E to 2nd house and D to 10th. It is also C to 3rd house. Here it could mean, Short term travels for Authority (10th) but will also trigger 2nd house so might be close to family and its subordinate to 4th house so home land. 7th is also 2nd from 6th. house of job so could be work related. In your mail you have asked about reason for travel. I think that can be seen from Karak. For death of mother its 5th or SD to 5th lord and for death of father its 11th or SD to 11th lord from a childs chart. During antra of death of the parents and if its having relation to 12th house or lord it can mean travel for such a thing. Also daily points one can check. If they are low < 196 it could mean that person is feeling more depressed. It travelling for marriage or other happy ocassion also from daily transit of points one can get an idea of the mood of the person. If its more than 196 it could mean person is happy on that day.... But for travel there should be a link to the above houses I feel i.e. antra lord running must have some relation to the above houses. Please feel free to correct me.... Cheers !!! Ash , "saminamalik50" <saminamalik50@h...> wrote: > Dear Krushna Ji and Senior list members; > > In one of the posts Krushna Ji mentioned the following. > > 1.Take 3rd house as house B for migration. > 2.Take 9th house as house B for travelling. > 3.Take 12th house for recreational travelling etc. > > I was looking at a chart and observed that when she migrated rule 1 > was followed. > She came to see her parents after about 3 years rule 3 was followed > {she came in the antardasa of the planet with less than 12 points} > > QUESTION:[1}Which house is to be taken as B {wether 9 or 12}if she > visit the country on the death of her one of her parents{about this I > think house 9 should be taken as house B} > > [2]Which house is to be taken as house B if she visits the country on > the marriage of a brother or sister.{about this I personally think > house 12 should be taken as B} > > Your help in clearing the concept will be highly appreciated. > > rgds > > Samina ar Samina, Yes, death is a happy event. All happy events happen in the strongest significator or LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E with more points. Now if the impact of death of a person affects the native then I feel that it will show low points as person might not be happy or another way of looking is the person will cease to get happiness from say mother or father. Whatever events impact the native can be seen from a chart. Indirect events we need to study more closely on how it may impact the native. Say death of Father might give inheritance so 8th house might show a rise in points. 9th house is father and 12th from B is 8th house. So 8th MAY go up in points. So inheritance may be how it affects. Thats my understanding so far. I hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash Hello mbaqueen, I am providing the calculated points for your chart for House 7 (House B for marriage). They might help you in your analysis. ju - 20, ve - 14, me - 13, ma - 13, mo - 12, su - 10, sa - 09. Also there is an excel sheet in Files section that can calculate the points for you. Regards, Manu , "Manu Batura" <manubatura> wrote: > Well, with asc in Sag too I can't find the reason for delay! > Others might be able to help me out. > > Regards, > Manu > > , "Manu Batura" > <manubatura> wrote: > > Oops! I think the asc on the border is what is causing a problem. > > Birth time rectification is required. > > > > I will perform a second try. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > , "Manu Batura" > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Can you please confirm if your chart is this? > > > > > > ############################################# asc . cap 00°42' > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # su(4) vir 23°08' > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # mo(5) gem 29°33' > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. ke .. # .. mo sa # ju(5) aqu 16°32' > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # me(4) lib 17°00' > > > ############################################# ve(5) vir 15°53' > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ma(2) vir 24°50' > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # sa(5) gem 25°57' > > > # .. ju .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ra .. sco 20°32' > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ke .. tau 20°32' > > > ############//////RASI//D-1//////############ > > > # // .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # > > > ############################################# > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. # .. ra .. # .. me .. # ma su ve # > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # > > > ############################################# > > > > > > Actually, I could not find any reason for the delay in marriage?! > > > > > > It has been a long time since I saw any chart and I might have > made > > a > > > mistake, but can you please verify the birth details? > > > Maybe Ash and others will be able to provide correct analysis. > > > > > > I have taken the following values for Guntur. > > > > > > Long = 80.29E, Lat = 16.18N > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "mba_queen" > > > <mba_queen> wrote: > > > > Dear gurus, > > > > > > > > Please analyse my chart related to my marriage and married life. > > > > > > > > DOB:oct 9th'1974 > > > > > > > > POB:Guntur,India > > > > > > > > TOB:13:05hrs > > > > > > > > Iam not yet married and Iam so curious to know why it is > delayed? > > > And > > > > when it could happen.How my married life will be? > > > > > > > > I tried to calcuate points for each house..but because of my > > > > ignorance I couldn't understand the first step of calculating > > > points > > > > in ASHTAKAVARGA chart.If possible,anyone of you could help in > > > > calculating points of that chart. > > > > > > > > Thanks Dear Manu, Welcome back to the list. With Sagittarius lagna here are some observations Sa is in 7th, House B, It is LoA and it conjoins Venus who is LoC in navamsa so full delay. Guru is in Aquarius sign of delay casuing planet Shani so he cant check delay caused by Sa. So full delay. Please read point 5 in lesson in Lesson 24. Guru also aspects 7th house malefically and this also causes further delay. Cheers !!! Ash Dear ? How can you go to lesson 24 without first understanding lesson 1 thru 23 and casting your worksheet. Manu has given you the points for 7th house. Currently u are going through antra of 6th lord. Lagna and 7th are in nav pancham. Next antra is that of Sun who has 10 points for 7th however he has good ponits for 12th and 5th and is in House E for 5th with more points. 5th and 7th i.e LoD and LoE are having some relation. LAgna has 32 points and lagna and 7th are having 6:8 relation. 2nd lord is gaining status by going into primary upchaya sthan in 7th house. i.e. in 6th house from 2nd. Lagna and 3rd lords are in nav pancham so you have blessings of mother. Like that so many things have to first considred before getting into timing. Have you read the lesson on Non Maritial Status ? Are any of the law matching. Please read even point 5 of lesson 24 carefully. Its clearly given that Sa with Moon and having less points. In your case Sa is with 4 bindus so on borderline or neutral so it can go either way. My suggestion is that before jumping into timing and getting all worried by reading 1 point is not right. You will get married. When I shall leave that to you and others to make an attempt. Manu had done nice work by assisting you by casting your worksheet and giving you the poitns for 7th house. I hope that Manu and you continue. Also please post your name out of courtesy. Cheers !!! Ash Dear ? How can you go to lesson 24 without first understanding lesson 1 thru 23 and casting your worksheet. Manu has given you the points for 7th house. Currently u are going through antra of 6th lord. Lagna and 7th are in nav pancham. Next antra is that of Sun who has 10 points for 7th however he has good ponits for 12th and 5th and is in House E for 5th with more points. 5th and 7th i.e LoD and LoE are having some relation. LAgna has 32 points and lagna and 7th are having 6:8 relation. 2nd lord is gaining status by going into primary upchaya sthan in 7th house. i.e. in 6th house from 2nd. Lagna and 3rd lords are in nav pancham so you have blessings of mother. Like that so many things have to first considred before getting into timing. Have you read the lesson on Non Maritial Status ? Are any of the law matching. Please read even point 5 of lesson 24 carefully. Its clearly given that Sa with Moon and having less points. In your case Sa is with 4 bindus so on borderline or neutral so it can go either way. My suggestion is that before jumping into timing and getting all worried by reading 1 point is not right. You will get married. When I shall leave that to you and others to make an attempt. Manu had done nice work by assisting you by casting your worksheet and giving you the poitns for 7th house. I hope that Manu and you continue. Also please post your name out of courtesy. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash and Manu, Before asking you something,I would like to say thanks to both of you for analyzing my chart. I got one question(not related to my chart).If the Lord of sun's house and the lord of 7th from sun's house are in same house,how can we calculate points. Thanks Hema ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Krushnaji and Manu, Yes, I also feel the same and agree with all your findings. Mars is LoE and its in 11th from 12th house so in upchaya and also its in 6th from 5th house. So again 5th and 12th house gain status. Yes its with Venus who is 6th lord and 11th lord and loosing status for 11th house. About 2nd sector is also what I think. So I agree with your findings. Now I would like to confirm IF Moon will not give results. Moon its with 12 points so it can go either way. Studying Status of Moon, Moon is in Krishna Pax and in 12th from 8th. So again loosing status. Now Moon is SD to Karak Shani at the same time its also SD to Mercury. Moon is natural samdharmi to Mars who is LoE. So overall I feel that it does might not give results. Krushnaji when you get a chance can you guide us regarding if Moon can give results for timing of events for marriage. I hope Krushnaji can confirm our findings. Also can you confirm the sector. Here Mars is LoE and there is full delay. So delay will be second sector. Here lagna and 3rd are in 5:9 so will the event happen in 1st sector itself ? If in Moon the event will be in last sector. Is that proper ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Hi Ash, I tried to see Hema's chart again wrt to marriage. Please let me know if there are mistakes. I rectified by -5 mins to get sag asc.First of all, lord of asc (ju) and lord of 7th (me) are in 5:9.lord of mo (me) and lord of 7th from mo (ju) are again in 5:9.Lord of su (me) and lord of 7th from su (ju) are again in 5:9!So, marriage points are 90. That is good. Ve is in nakst of Hasta. Diff from sun is 7.2 degrees. That is good. SAV of hs1 is 32. (So, as Ash analysed, the native might be head strong). For B as hs7, Sa is LoA in rasi as well as navamsa. It is also placed with LoC (ve) in navamsa. And as Ash pointed out, Mo is placed with Sa in hs7 in rasi.So, I am assuming full delay. Full delay ended on 7/14/2002 when native was 27.8 yrs. She has been in me/ve since then which ends on 8/2/2004 when me/su shall start.Looking at the strength sheet, it seems that it was good that the native was not marriage in ve antra since it is lord of 6th. su with low points (10) may not be able to give results either. The next antra is mo. Mo has only 12 points and is afflicted by saturn in 7th. Hence that too may not give results. Actually I am not sure here! Anyways, next antra is ma. Ma has 13 points and is LoE. Hence it is eager to give results. So, marriage may happen is Ma antra from 11/8/2006 to 11/5/2007. It may happen in second sector since Ju has 5th sight on Sa. Regards, Manu In , "ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, For finding proper sector I am still practicing it.I will share with you what I have found. If there is a delay causing planet say it can be Venus or Guru or Sa then its last sector. At the same time there is a law that IF THE DELAY CAUSING PLANET IS LOD OR LOE then it will give it in first sector. Now this can be modified buy Zeroes in SAV.We also need to see if say the strong significator is saw with Shani etc. So I am still practicing such things and hopefully will be more confident with more practice.I think here again u need to get an understanding first of the chart and then you can narrow to proper sector. Say delay causing planets antra is running and so it will try to give in 1st sector at the same time there is 1 zero and at the same time say for marriage there lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 it means there is blessing of father or guru so in that case the event MAY happen in the first sector only.So such things and again overall chart should be kept in mind.Thats been my experience this far. Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Thanks Ash,Also, will it be correct to say that sector selection is used only when Sa itself becomes the significator.Then, we can determine in which sector of its antar-dasha the event happens by the rules.However, what should we do when sa causes full delay but is not the significator? Ash,I will try to analyse Hema's chart this evening to see if I can figure out the period. Thanks & Regards, Manu In , Ash Sam<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Sa is delay causing planet and that is clear.When Ju malefically aspects 7th house or its lord then that can also cause further delay.There is also a law when Guru is in lagna with more points it can cause seperation or divorse.In such a case it can cause further delay also in selecting the proper sector.It will cause delay.Zeores in SAV also cause delay and so does so many other things for example if venus is spoilt then that can also cause delay.So we should keep all these things in mind.Study each status carefully.Guru in libra can also cause delay. We need to study whole chart.For that we need to solve so many charts and it will come with experience and you will start to get a feeler on such things. Cheers !!! Ash Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, I have a few more doubts about delay.The lessons say that Ju and Sa are delay causing planets. Is it that Sa causes delay and Ju checks it or can Jupiter can also cause full delay when there is no delay due to Saturn?In this case how do we measure the delay? Thanks & Regards, Manu In , Ash Sam<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, In that case I would think when it first reaches 0 deg. Thanks,Cheers !!! Ash Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, I was refering to the retrogression of Saturn. Regards,Manu In ,"ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu,How 2 times.Sa is at 16 deg into Cancer so in 2.5 year it will hit 16 deg in Leo and 2.5 year after that into Virgo...............to 0 deg Cancer. So the cycle starts from 16 deg Cancer.So only once.I think it will be clear now. Cheers !!!Ash In ,"Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, Thanks a lot. However, sometimes Sa will cut 0 degrees twice.Should we take the first cut or the second? Thanks & Regards, Manu In ,"ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Sorry ignore my previous email too in rush I made mistake.Say Sa is 16 degrees in Cancer. So for full delay caused by Shani it will be till Shani transits around the chart and comes to 0 deg Cancer. Thanks,Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash Read CAN as LIB in previous mail. Regards, Manu In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, I really need to get my concepts cleared about delay before sa causes more delay. I have a few doubts:Let us say that a native was born when Sa was in LIB. Now if there is full delay,should we consider then delay to be from the case when Sa moves from CAN -> PIS (0 degrees)or should we consider it to be from the case when LIB ->LIB(full cycle) -> PIS (0 degrees). I have many many more doubts about delay.I will ask them later. Thanks & Regards, Manu In ,"ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Welcome back to the list. With Sagittarius lagna here are some observations Sa is in 7th, House B, It is LoA and it conjoins Venus who is LoC in navamsa so full delay.Guru is in Aquarius sign of delay casuing planet Shani so he cant check delay caused by Sa. So full delay. Please read point 5 in lesson in Lesson 24.Guru also aspects 7th house malefically and this also causes further delay. Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Well, with asc in Sag too I can't find === message truncated === Dear Krushnaji, Manu and Hema, Manu and Hema, your previous mail I shall answer in the morning when I feel more fresh. Here is my understanding. 1) 5:9 is nav pancham. Nakshatras in 5:9 houses are same. If you see from House ABCDE then if you observe keenly House B and C are always in nav pancham. 2) 3:11 are in upchaya which is good. 3) 2:12 means disharmony. 4) 6:8 means disputes 5) 1:7 means 1 and 7th houses are always enemies. So in this case its more a fight for domination. Natural samdharmi's when in 1:7 position cease to become Samdharmis. So for example Venus and Saturn are in opposite houses then they will not be natural samdhamris as they become like functional enemies. Similarly for Moon and Mars and Moon and Sun. 6) Same house : Here they becomes Samdharmis. if the distance between the 2 planets is less than 15 degrees then consider them as 4:10 and if greater than 15 degrees then consider it as 2:12 7) 4:10 is boss / subordinate relation or opposition but with respect. About allocating points I shall leave that to Krushnaji. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Manu, Its the other way. First you see the chart and see happiness is it promised in the chart. If there are indications of say multiple marriages or a seperation then in such cases either marriage will be in lowest significator and will break in highest significator or LoD or LoE. Worksheet give u strength of planet for all houses. When the event will happen in lowest points from WS or LoD or LoE from WS or highest points from WS is our choice based on what we first judge from a chart. So use the worksheet to see overall results and to time but that is the last step. First u have to study the chart and then use Worksheet to time. Now quality of event is different from timing. You can time a marriage i.e. from worksheet. Say you see that a chart has problems but still there are no laws fitting for a No Marriage scenario. Then in that case marriage will take place. So that is timing of event. So if someone asks u. .when will I get married you can use the worksheet to time it maybe in the weakest significator. Now quality of marriage is differnt issue. Problems may start to creep in when planets with more points come up and about and when LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E come then such things will get enhanced and it MAY break if such things are seen. That is also timing of an event. Similarly for Job, see the nature of person, his intellegence, capability first, see his lagna points, and also see where lagna lord is, 6th lord is.. if say lagna lord is in 12th then status of Karak of A for job is weakened. Such things show us something. At the same time see if Moon is with Rahu then it can show something about natore of the person .. see lagna lord in relation to say 9th lord or 11th lord for boss or friends if they are in 5:9 then its nice person is friendly can get along if in 6:8 then it can show some issues... now at the same time say lagna points are over 40 then person can be very adamenet or sensitive and may break or leave job etc etc.... So we need to see all things together. Think over this. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Some things are very evident. Ve is in nakshatra of aridra. Divorce is clear. And I can't beleive this, Sa has 57 strength points for hs7! It is also LoD. The marriage must have happened in Sa antra. Sa has only 2 points and it aspects A, B and C. Hence, it directly bags 18 extra points for sitting at the right place in the horoscope. Not only that, Sa only controls, ju, ve and ma in this horoscope. And having only 2 points, it is a very strict master. According to me, since, ve su diff is 28. That is good. Although ve does have sight of sa that spoils the karaktwa. I still do not think it might lead to extra-marital relationships. 6L mangal has 3 points and hence, is also a cruel slave to Sa. 6L is with ve, karaktwa of hs7. Hence, it spoils ve too. Ve is already under Sa's influence. I think it is to do with the interaction of Sa, Ju, Me, and Ma. It will be nice to know the answer from Krushnaji. It seems like a special chart! Thanks & regards, Manu , "pjoshi1975" <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > Dear Ash, Manu and group, > > This chart Krushnaji gave and asked some questions (see Msg: 2878). > Nobody followed up to answer it. So let us take it up now. It could > be paramour chart. > > Male, July 21,1966 > 4:15pm (GMT+5.5) at 28N39, 77E13 > I get lagna 22Sc55 > > Info given: married in period Aug 92 to Sept 93 > Sept 96 to Feb 99 differences started between husband and wife > Wife Left him in Feb 97 to April 98 > > Questions asked by Krushnaji are as follows: > is this a case of extra marital relation of the husband? > Or is it a effect of 6L with 2L,7L, and 5L? > Or is it a chart of multiple marriage? > > As Krushnaji mentioned in the post, all planets are getting high > points in WS for 7th house. This can give tendancy extra maritial > relationship. Looking at it I see problems started in end of Ma/Venus > dasa and must have got much worse in Ma/Sun. See points for 5,7,12 in > worksheet for these periods they are all high. I can't beleive how > high points get in Sun antar is it for real? He must have got into > extra marital relation in Ma/Ve and it got out of control in sun > antar so wife left him. Please give your comments/analysis. > > Puneet Dear Krushnaji, Puneet, Manu and List members, Basic Chart Observation. ------------------------ In this chart Mars is with Venus in 1 sign. Venus is in Aadra and its under influence of Shani (4:10). LoE for 7th is conjoining LoD for 5th (Guru and Venus) are in 1 sign. Moon is in sign of Leo. Lagna and 7th are in 4:10, Moon sign and 7th is in 6:8 and Sun sign and 7th is in 5:9. 6th lord is conjoining LoB, LoA and aspecting House C. 6th lord is conjoining LoE and is aspecting LoD in navamsa. So its afflicting all primary and secondary upchaya sthan or their lords. All the points for 7th are high. A zero due to Mars in 4th. Shani in 5th with low points. Timing of event. ---------------- There is full delay due to Sa and its moderated by Jupiter. There is additional delay due to Mars in 4th house. Marriage happened in Guru antra. Here from all the above observation this is chart for which marriage is due to 12th house matters. Here Marriage is in Gurus antar dasha. Guru is LoE for 12th and LoD for 5th. So its triggering Love and 12th house matters. Points for Guru for 12th house is also 27. The antra after Venus in Mars MD is that of Sa. Sa has 33 points for 12th house, then its Mercury who has less points for 12th. After that came Ketu (Guru), Venus, Sun and Moon. All of them have good points for 12th. Venus and Mars are SD to 2nd lord Guru so again there will be stress during this stage. Marriage also happened in 2nd lords antra so again its showing stress. Then came Rahu/Rahu and Rahu = Mars and 6th lord. Here Mars has only 6 points for 5th house and lowest points for 12th house. This marriage is a marriage of 5th and 12th house. When points have gone down its showing the jatak and his wife have seperated. Marriage performed in SD to 6th lord and 2nd lord and 6th lord afflicting A,B,C,D,E or their lords cant give happiness. This is a chart of multiple marriages studded with worries. As soon as passion from a relation ship will end the person will look for another partner. Krushnaji, please feel free to point out my errors. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Krushnaji, I have tried to answer the question. Kindly let me know my mistakes. The following is the rasi chart of the native: ############################################# asc . sag 16°02' # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # su(4) gem 02°43' # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # mo(4) gem 13°28' # .. ra .. # .. ve .. # .. me .. # .. su mo # ju(5) aqu 15°07' # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # me(6) tau 10°22' ############################################# ve(5) ari 25°11' # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ma(4) vir 09°39' # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # sa(2) leo 21°18' # .. ju .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ra .. pis 11°08' # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ke .. vir 11°08' ############//////RASI//D-1//////############ # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. sa .. # # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ############################################# # // .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. ma ke # # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # ############################################# Nakst[asc-ve, su-ma, mo-ra, me-mo, ve-ve, ma-su, ju-ra, sa-ve, ra-sa, ke-mo] Let us consider the quality of marriage: The 7th lord me is in 6th house and is also aspected by Saturn. The natural karak for marriage, Ve, is also lord of 6th house. These indications are not good for the house of marriage and point to divorce. Let us see when the marriage might have happened. There is no delay due to saturn. The following are the dashas: START........MD/AD...2nd sector...3rd sector...Age -------------------- 10/16/1969 - ju/su - 01/21/1970 - 04/28/1970 - 19.3346 08/05/1970 - ju/mo - 01/14/1971 - 06/25/1971 - 20.1368 12/05/1971 - ju/ma - 03/27/1972 - 07/19/1972 - 21.4701 11/10/1972 - ju/ra - 08/29/1973 - 06/17/1974 - 22.4037 04/05/1975 - sa/sa - 04/05/1976 - 04/06/1977 - 24.802 04/08/1978 - sa/me - 03/01/1979 - 01/23/1980 - 27.8109 12/16/1980 - sa/ke - 04/30/1981 - 09/12/1981 - 30.5022 01/25/1982 - sa/ve - 02/14/1983 - 03/06/1984 - 31.611 There are also no indications of delayed marriage or no marriage. Hence, the marriage might have happened in the antar dasha of ma with ju as MD. Ma has less points for marriage and it is LoE. It is also LoE for 12th house. Ma being placed in sign of mercury, it might have happened in the second sector from 3/1972 to 7/1972 when native was 21 yrs old. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Amitabh, 5th house is used for degrees, 6th for increase in the status and the 10th for profession. You may want to read lesson 28 for this. The fifth house should trigger to obtain any kind of degrees or certifications. If the current antra makes 5th as LoD or LoE then degree or certifications can be obtained. But as indicated in the lessons, you should also look at the intelligence of the person. Krushnaji and Ash will be able to explain this in more detail. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, 2nd house is of wealth, family etc. Worksheet is important as it will give u timing of events. If 12th triggers at the same time also 4th is triggering then person may invest in say fixed asset. If 2nd is triggering and 2nd is higher than 11th then the pesron may invest in bonds, stocks etc. Personality of the person, how much daring he has, moon status, intellegence, points in WS, SAV all should be checked together. Like this you should apply yourself. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , "Manu Batura" <manubatura> wrote: > Hello Krushnaji, Ash, List Members, > > I understand that we can check finance position in an antra by > checking points of 11th and 12th. However, how can we check financial > success of the person during his life. Is there anything besides 11th > and 12th SAV that should be checked. > > I have a horoscope of the person who has never been able to push > ahead in terms of finance despite great pains. Every endeavor failed > subsequently. > > I guess hs9 would also be important in this matter. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu Dear Dadhi, A couple of points as per my understanding. Aquring wealth is different from being born in a wealthy family. I am talking about wealth generated. In short I am talking of 2nd house. Now in this mail you have talked of comparing 10th,11th and 12th house. So effort, income and expense. Wealth is 2nd house. If you are comparing 11th with 12th, ineffect you are comparing income v/s expenditure. If you are comparing 10th, 11th and 12th then you are trying to see the effort put in (10th) as compared to income (11th) and at the same time keeping an eye on the expenses so comparing it to expense (12th). Now if we also see 2nd house then we are checking for 2nd house matters and that could be wealth. So now say you are comparing 11th house to 2nd house and 12th house. So now say if 11th house is triggering and at the same time for example 2nd house points are more than 11th and say 12th house is also triggering so it may mean than the expense is say going towards wealth generation. If 12th house is triggering and say 4th house is also triggering then it could mean expense for 4th house matters like car or home. Yes we can take other charts for study purposes. In the chart that Sameer gave and he has not commented but in his case 4th house was triggering and 12th. He has not commented on my reading as yet for which I am waiting. Multiplication factor is to give an idea on quality as it shows the backing of a sign. About Transit of Ju and Sa is also very important. We must check that also. Actually we must see all 12 houses together. Just as an example say 12th house is triggering and 6th house points are low then it could also mean that one is having expense towards say health bills. These are some guide lines and I also would like to study the same. If we can get some charts and some periods where people acquired wealth then we can study such things in further detail and hash it out. So infact if we can get charts of people who have worked hard and made wealth during certain times rather than being born in rich family would be a better exercise atleast in my opinion. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Swaroopa, You brought your house in Venus antra in Ju mahadasha. Cast your worksheet and you will see the points Ve receives for 4th house is the highest. There is no delay so 1st sector and you purchased it when sun transitted Mars/Mercury sign/nak. Something might have started during Aug 17th-30th and then Sept 13th thru Sept 16th. Can you confirm this. Venus also has high points for all houses. It might have been an overall good period Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hi, > I bought a site in Bangalore and paid the cost of the land on > 12/12/2002. My DOB:12/12/1970, Place of birth: Hosur, Dharmapuri > district in Tamilnadu (near Bangalore), Time: 0:07:40 (midnight of > twelfth December or early morning of 13th Dec 1970)Would you like to > consider analysis on my chart ? I paid out of savings and loan. > Swaroopa Dear Kamlesh, Check your SAV points in 11th and 12th house. 12th house points are 38 and 11th is 32. Is this expenditure pattern surprising. Cast your worksheet and compare the points of 11th and 12th house. You will see that point of 12th is more than 11th for all house so you will be spending more except in the antra of sun. Last May you were running Ra/Ma. Ma has 11 points in 5th, 13 in 11th and 14 in 12th. Points in 2nd house is also 12 so it can go either way. Back in May Sa and Ju points were 7. Please cast your worksheet and read the lessons. What I have written will become clear. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , "krsham" <krsham> wrote: > > Hi, > > How about this chart: > > DOB: Jan 26, 1981 > TOB: 19:55 > Place: Manila, Philippines > > The subject has incurred a great financial loss in an attempted > venture in speculation last May. He has Ju - Sat - Moon in the second > house and the 2nd lord is in 6th house. He is running Rahu Mahadasa > and Rahu is in his house of expenditures (12th house). > > What will be his expenditure pattern and where will he invest(fixed > assets or liquid cash)? Is speculation advisable for such a person? > How will his financial standing be? > > Regards, > > Kamlesh Hi Ash, > My first application to BDA for the site got rejected in August(the > deposit money was returned then) and I applied a second time in > September. Yes, life has been good for me until now. > Swaroopa Dear Franco, How sure are u of this birth time. Is this chart of male or female ? Is this the first marriage of the native ? Cheers !!! Ash , "franco_well" <francowell@n...> wrote: > > Dear learned list members..... > > What astrological factors were present > on 3-30-1980 supporting marriage for > a person born on 6-30-1949 @ 7:56AM > in Pottstown, PA? > > Namaste.....Franco Dear Franco, Ok. Thanks for the clarification. As per KAS here is my analyisis. Sa is in 2nd house with 0 points. It is aspecting house C (11th house) and Itself is LoB (7th house). It is situated in Karak sthan with 0 points. This gives delay to about 26.5 year i.e on March 5th 1975 Sa crossed 20 deg in Gemini. After that there is additional delay of about 10% due to Sa as he is giving 0 points to karak sthan. So 26.5 * 1.10 = 29.8 years. So marriage will be after this age. Antra running at that time is Mars in Moon Mahadasha. Moon is in Karak sthan and in 2nd from own house. Its with 4 points. So can give marriage in its Mahadasha. Now when delay gets over last part of Mars antra is running. Mars has 11 points for 7th house. Next antra after that is that of Rahu. Rahu is samdharmi to Guru and Mercury. Mercury is LoE. So Rahu will step in as one of the planets is aspecting primary significator house. Now we have narrowed down to Moon MD and Rahu mahadasha. Now narrowing it down further. Here there is full delay and here Rahu is representing mercury who is LoE. So it is very eager to give result. So delay is reduced 2nd sector. Now narrowing it down further we will use suns transit. Here Mercury is strongest significator and rahu is also SD to Mercury. So suns transit over Mercury-Rahu will be the strongest. Sun transits Mercury Sign and nakshtara of Rahu from June 22nd thru July 5th. The marriage was held on 30th June 1980. Death of Mother : March 1990 during Mars/Jupiter. Mars is 3rd lord from 3rd house and antar of planet in House D i.e. Guru in 7th house with 5 bindus. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Franco, Here is the break up Moon Rahu 1979-May-20 1980-Nov-18 Sector 1 1979-May-20 1979-Nov-19 Sector 2 1979-Nov-19 1980-May-19 Sector 3 1980-May-19 1980-Nov-18 I have said 2nd sector is when marriage will take place. I made a mistake the period I took was falling outside the 2nd sector. You can find the probable dates using probable date finder. All these things are given in the lessons. You can download the same and apply it for all events of your life. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Mr. Ash, Yes! They match perfactly. Regards rahul , Ash <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Rahul, > Please address me as Ash. > When there is transfer the the place of work changes, the bosses changes, environment changes and location changes. 6th, 5th,9th house, 10th hosue will reflect that. That is why I picked those antras at a glance. Have you checked if they match. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > Rahul <astro_ra> wrote: > > > Dear Ash Ji!, > > I had last changed my job in may 2000. After that there is no job > changes. Yes Of course change of Places (transfers) are there in this > tennure in the same company. > 1. Transfer to Derahadun in april 2001 to Sep'01 than back to H.O. > 2. Transfer to Delhi in Nov'02 and bach to H.o in Apil'03. > 3. Promoted (without any financial hike) and transfered back to delhi > i in July'03. > > Prior to this I had changed my job in Feb'95 and June'96, > > Jobless period Oct'98 to April'99 > > Joined a job in April'99 and left that Job in Oct'99. Again Jobless > till May'2000. During this Period I had Done some additional > Certification Course after leaving the Job. Hope this information > will help you analysing my chart. > > Is ther any possibility of Change of Job in near future? > > Thanking You, > > Regards > Rahul > > , "ashsam73" > wrote: > > > > Dear Rahul, > > Can you also give the job changes. You might have had job changes > > during ve, me and sun antra's as per KAY. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , "ashsam73" > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manu, Dadhi and list members, > > > > > > This is a very interesting chart. We should discuss it. > > > > > > I have casted the chart using the time given by the native. > > > > > > If Rahul can provide more detail regarding line of work, any love > > > relationships, previous marriages, degree it will help in > analysis. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , "Rahul" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Manu, > > > > > > > > At the outset thanks you for your interest. Sir the > > > > > > > > Lattitude is : 18.46 N > > > > > > > > Longitude is :84.05 E. > > > > > > > > It is in India and hence timezone is +5.30Hrs and No Day light > > > saving > > > > time. > > > > Thanking you again, > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rahul > > > > > > > > , "Manu Batura" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rahul, > > > > > > > > > > Can you please let us know the latitude and longitude of the > > > place > > > > > and the time zone. Also was there any daylight saving time in > > > > effect. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > , "Rahul" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any one please tell me about my financial future and > > > marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > My Date Of Birth is 1st April 1969 > > > > > > > > > > > > Time Of Birth is 17:09 > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth is Parlakimidi. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am more worried about my future. Whether I will have a > > > > > successfull > > > > > > married life. When I will get marry? > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my computer generated horoscope, the strength > of > > > my > > > > > 11th > > > > > > house(ashtakVargo) is more in comparing to strength of > other > > > > houses > > > > > > (which indicates Comforts, Cash in-flow and friends), but > in > > > fact > > > > > > this is not true in my case(I don't have a single friend > > even, > > > > > cash > > > > > > in flow is not good etc.). Is there any chance of getting a > > > wrong > > > > > > report. Is there any chance of getting a wrong > report,because > > > of > > > > > > wrong birth time in some minutes. The Birth time may be > Plus > > or > > > > > Minus > > > > > > 5 minutes. Please Help me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rahul > "Manu Batura" <manubatura> Mon Nov 8, 2004 4:27 pm Re: Query regarding marriage Dear Ash, I tried to analyse Yogesh's chart but I have a query. Full delay is clearly evident in the chart since Sa is in 5th house. His father's death happened in Ve/Ra, Ve is SD to Ju (loa for 4th). Ra is SD to Saturn (highest significator for 4th). I tried to determine the time of marriage. A very good marital compatibility is seen from the chart and it seems to me that is shall be an arranged marriage. However, I am facing some problems narrowing down the event of marriage. It is clear that Sa shall gie the event after full delay that ended on 7/14/2002. However, since Sa is LoE I would have expected that the marriage should have happened in the 1st sector of the antra. I can't understand why it did not happen? Does the time require further rectification? Thanks & Regards, Manu , Jitjag <jitjag1> wrote: > Hi Manu , > > Sorry ... Time of Birth is 7.00 AM and not 7.00 PM ... > > Thank You, > > > Yogesh > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Yogesh, > > Are you sure of your Birth time? > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > , "jitjag1" > <jitjag1> wrote: > > > > Hi Ash and other learned mebers, > > > > As given on main page I am providing following information … > > > > 1) Complete birth data. > > > > Birth date : 5th March 1975 > > > > Time of Birth : 7.00 PM > > > > Birth Place : Malad – Mumbai, Maharashtra, India > > > > > > 2) Education level of the native. > > > > Electronics Eng. passed in 1996. > > > > 3) Means of earning a living, and when the job began. Any change in > > jobs, date of pay raise, etc. > > > > Occupation : Software eng. > > Date of first job : 10-March-1997. > > Change of Job : 01-Jun-2001. > > > > Came to US for onsite assignment on 10-March-2003. > > > > Till Last year every year got promoted to next level. > > > > > > 4) If married then give the date of marriage. Please also mention > if > > it is a pre-arranged marriage or a love marriage. Also, give the > > chart of the life partner. > > > > Not married > > > > 5) If there are problems in the marital life, please specify with > > date. > > > > NA.. > > > > 6) If there are children, then give their dates of birth. > > NA > > > > 7) Specify whether parents are still living. If not, give their > > dates of passing. > > > > Father expired in 04-Sep-1997 > > > > > > Could you please tell me when will I get married …. > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Yogesh Dear Manu and Yogesh, Good question Manu. As per our laws if the delay causing planet is LoD or LoE then it should give the result in the 1st sector. So either both of us are overlooking something or birth data needs further rectification. One thing here Shani is in House E for 12th as B with less points so it may have given some closeness with someone. I would like to confirm this. Secondly I would like to confirm if Yogesh was brought up by someone who is not his mother. Thirdly I would like to Ask yogesh regarding the accuracy of the birth time and the source. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Raji, 1:7 means the lords are in sign of enemies. 1:7 or 7:7 as some write it means there is a struggle for domination. Yes, Raji, I agree atleast 2-3 points much match if we go verbatim however in this chart there are other factors or you can say psychological factors. a) Venus is too close to sun. She is not the romatic kind. Even might not be comfortable around guys. Please confirm this. If anyone opposes or has any difference of opinion with what she is thinking she might not like that ... b) She might not even bother too much with keep things in proper place or might not be very particular about how she dresses up either. Again can you please confirm this... Now she is very intellegent and she knows it and might think that she is always right. Will not easily accept let alone compromise. She is very independent and either might be (or in time) will rise to prominent position of authority or will do her own business. She needs that space to do things her way. If her bosses oppose her she will not like it or may leave job / jobs. Now again Rahu is aspecting moon so again she will be obsessive about things she does or she will not like to rest till she finishes the tasks she takes up. She is not the emotional kind of person but she would be very sensitive. If the person she dates/marries does not take care she will walk off.... She may look for someone having higher status than her. Also 6th lord is conjoining and aspecting all planets. Now also most planets are aspecting 9th house in such cases the person itself becomes very hard work. She also will not beleive much in superstitions and might want to see things first before accepting/beleive them. Now blessing of father/guru is also very important in any chart. Here Lagna/9th lords are in 1:7. Now venus also has less points for 2nd house. Venus is NK for marriage and its spoilt by being very close to Sun and being aspected by Sa and also conjoins Mars. Here considering all factors I think that this lady might be so busy with her job/autority and working that she may not have time for anything else. If she might be in relationships it might not last long ... I hope others join in this disucssion so that we get some more clarity... This is an interesting chart... thanks Cheers !!! Ash , "raji1153" <raji1153> wrote: > > As per lesson 24, there should be 2-3 points satisfying, right? > I could not find a single point satisfying. > > Considering other lessons like rules for analysing marriage > etc, nothing is metioned about 7:7 relationship between Lagna lord > and seventh lord and for the Lords of the Moon Sign and Sun Sign and > the seventh lords from these. Hence I'm not able to come to a > conclusion at all. > > , Ash <ashsam73> > wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Manu, Dadhi and list members, > > > > I am pasting the degree of planets. > > > > Planet/DegreeNakshatraLordNavamsaAs28 Cp 31DhanisthaMaViSu22 Pi > 27RevatiMeCpMo23 Pi 27RevatiMeAqMa21 Pi 57RevatiMeCpMe1 Pi 42Purva > BhadrapadaJuCnJu11 Vi 40HastaMoArVe21 Pi 49RevatiMeCpSa13 Vi > 10HastaMoArRa14 Cn 57PushyaSaScKe14 Cp 57SravanaMoTa > > > > > > In this chart is there marriage ? > > > > My analysis is > > > > 1) Lagna points are very high of 46. > > 2) lagna/sun/moon is falling in 4 sectors of Sa in d3, d9 and > trishansha. > > 3) Venus to Sun distance is Less than 1 degrees and is aspected by > Sa and it conjoins mars. > > > > 4) As per Lesson 24 (Rules for non maritial status and point 7 and > I quote it says "When Venus and Moon are situated in any 1 house and > Sa and Ma are situated in 7th house from them it gives no marriage" > > > > In this chart Ve (spoilt) and Mo is in 3rd house and its aspected > by Sa from 9t however Mars conjoins this combination. So u get Ve, > Mo, Ma and aspected by Sa. Can this be treated the same or does the > combination HAS to be as its given i.e. Ve and Mo in 1 sign and Sa > and Ma in 7th ? > > > > Can you please clarify ? > > > > 5) DBCE poitns from Sun and Moon are in rising order and all > points of 10th and 11th . Good income and authority, independent, > head strong / adament..... > > > > The native seems to be very adament, egoistic and having a lot of > pride, but practical in approach.. and hard working.. > > > > No blessing of father or guru is in this chart either ... lagna > and 7th lords are in 1:7 again problems with adjusment... > > > > Is there a marriage in this chart considering all these factors ? > > > > Can you please guide.... > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > raji1153 <raji1153> wrote: > > > > > > Dear learned members, > > > > I'm finding the analysis of this chart extremely difficult > > with every planet occupying either the 3rd or the 9th house. All > > rules laid out seem to hold true for this horoscope with planets > > either in association or aspecting each other. Will somebody be > kind > > enough to analyse this horoscope... > > > > Birth Details : > > ------------------ > > DOB : 5th April, 1981. > > TOB : 03:30 AM > > POB : Belgaum, Karnataka. > > Gender : Female. > > > > - Education level of the native - Electronics engineering Graduate. > > - Means of earning a living - Software Professional > > - when the job began - 7th Oct 2002. > > - Any change in jobs, date of pay raise - Switched to a different > > company On 23 Dec, 2003. > > > > - If married then give the date of marriage. Please also mention > if > > it is a pre-arranged marriage or a love marriage. Also, give the > > chart of the life partner - Not Married. > > - If there are problems in the marital life, please specify with > > date - NA > > - If there are children, then give their dates of birth - NA > > - Specify whether parents are still living - Yes. > > - Any accident, or similar event with date - None. > > > > Thanks in advance. Let me mark my answers below. But before that, I would like to say a couple of things about this native. She is the only daughter to her parents, born after a long struggle. Her mother had 2-3 miscarriages before she was born. She led a life of protected childhood all through her teens and college life. Excelled in academics and dance and music. Dance has been her passion. She had to leave home for her first job. Second job took her further away from home. Very attached to parents and home and is now desparately trying for a transfer/change of job to go to hometown. She is quite goodlooking and has a great sense of humour, and hence is very popular among the opposite sex. But yes, guys also feel that their egos are hurt with her statements. She is currently involved in a relationship with her ex colleague. This has been going on since Feb 2003. Her parents however are not favoring this. Guess she's waiting for their consent. There is absolutely no problems from the guy's side, I suppose. But will they wait is yet to be seen. Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to my Briefcase ] Thanks Ash, Ash, I was also thinking about the Mo and Sa in 7th together scenario. Why does this combination delay marriage? Is there an explanation wrt points? One thing is sure the combination gives less AV points to 7th house, only 6 if we do not consider the other planets. However, this cannot be the only reason, since there are many more combinations of mo and sa too that give low points to hs7. For example, mo in asc and sa in 6th give only 5 points. It seems like an 8 dimensional clock (disregarding ra and ke)! with 12^8 combinations (actually not quite since me and ve can't go away from su that much). But then we have divisionals too. Great! Thanks & Regards, Manu , "ashsam73" <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > Its the other way. First you see the chart and see happiness is it > promised in the chart. If there are indications of say multiple > marriages or a seperation then in such cases either marriage will be > in lowest significator and will break in highest significator or LoD > or LoE. > > Worksheet give u strength of planet for all houses. When the event > will happen in lowest points from WS or LoD or LoE from WS or highest > points from WS is our choice based on what we first judge from a > chart. > > So use the worksheet to see overall results and to time but that is > the last step. First u have to study the chart and then use > Worksheet to time. > > Now quality of event is different from timing. > > You can time a marriage i.e. from worksheet. Say you see that a > chart has problems but still there are no laws fitting for a No > Marriage scenario. Then in that case marriage will take place. So > that is timing of event. So if someone asks u. .when will I get > married you can use the worksheet to time it maybe in the weakest > significator. > > Now quality of marriage is differnt issue. Problems may start to > creep in when planets with more points come up and about and when LoD > or LoE or planets in House D or E come then such things will get > enhanced and it MAY break if such things are seen. That is also > timing of an event. > > Similarly for Job, see the nature of person, his intellegence, > capability first, see his lagna points, and also see where lagna lord > is, 6th lord is.. if say lagna lord is in 12th then status of Karak > of A for job is weakened. Such things show us something. At the > same time see if Moon is with Rahu then it can show something about > natore of the person .. see lagna lord in relation to say 9th lord or > 11th lord for boss or friends if they are in 5:9 then its nice person > is friendly can get along if in 6:8 then it can show some issues... > now at the same time say lagna points are over 40 then person can be > very adamenet or sensitive and may break or leave job etc etc.... > > So we need to see all things together. Think over this. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , "Manu Batura" > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > I have one more query. It is dealing with quality of events. > > > > Now the lessons state that the quality of the event and timing of > the > > event are two different things and should not be mixed together. > > > > We also find that when the event takes place in the significator > > having lowest points the results are bad. > > > > So, can we apply this rule that when the karaka is spoilt and their > > are other indications too the the results will be spoilt then we > can > > use the lowest significator to time events. > > > > In this case, we shall be using the quality of the event to time > the > > event but that may be the correct thing to do. > > > > Will this be the appropriate thing to do? > > > > Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji and Manu, > > > > > > Yes, I also feel the same and agree with all your findings. > > > > > > Mars is LoE and its in 11th from 12th house so in upchaya and > also > > > its in 6th from 5th house. So again 5th and 12th house gain > > status. > > > Yes its with Venus who is 6th lord and 11th lord and loosing > status > > > for 11th house. About 2nd sector is also what I think. So I > agree > > > with your findings. > > > > > > Now I would like to confirm IF Moon will not give results. > > > > > > Moon its with 12 points so it can go either way. Studying Status > > of > > > Moon, Moon is in Krishna Pax and in 12th from 8th. So again > > loosing > > > status. > > > > > > Now Moon is SD to Karak Shani at the same time its also SD to > > > Mercury. Moon is natural samdharmi to Mars who is LoE. So > overall > > I > > > feel that it does might not give results. > > > > > > Krushnaji when you get a chance can you guide us regarding if > Moon > > > can give results for timing of events for marriage. > > > > > > I hope Krushnaji can confirm our findings. Also can you confirm > > the > > > sector. > > > > > > Here Mars is LoE and there is full delay. So delay will be > second > > > sector. Here lagna and 3rd are in 5:9 so will the event happen > in > > > 1st sector itself ? > > > > > > If in Moon the event will be in last sector. Is that proper ? > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manu Batura" > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > Hi Ash, > > > > > > > > I tried to see Hema's chart again wrt to marriage. Please let > me > > > know > > > > if there are mistakes. > > > > > > > > I rectified by -5 mins to get sag asc. > > > > > > > > First of all, lord of asc (ju) and lord of 7th (me) are in 5:9. > > > > lord of mo (me) and lord of 7th from mo (ju) are again in 5:9. > > > > Lord of su (me) and lord of 7th from su (ju) are again in 5:9! > > > > > > > > So, marriage points are 90. That is good. > > > > > > > > Ve is in nakst of Hasta. Diff from sun is 7.2 degrees. That is > > good. > > > > SAV of hs1 is 32. (So, as Ash analysed, the native might be > head > > > > strong). > > > > > > > > For B as hs7, Sa is LoA in rasi as well as navamsa. It is also > > > placed > > > > with LoC (ve) in navamsa. > > > > > > > > And as Ash pointed out, Mo is placed with Sa in hs7 in rasi. > > > > > > > > So, I am assuming full delay. > > > > > > > > Full delay ended on 7/14/2002 when native was 27.8 yrs. She has > > > been > > > > in me/ve since then which ends on 8/2/2004 when me/su shall > start. > > > > > > > > Looking at the strength sheet, it seems that it was good that > the > > > > native was not marriage in ve antra since it is lord of 6th. su > > > with > > > > low points (10) may not be able to give results either. > > > > > > > > The next antra is mo. Mo has only 12 points and is afflicted by > > > > saturn in 7th. Hence that too may not give results. Actually I > am > > > not > > > > sure here! > > > > > > > > Anyways, next antra is ma. Ma has 13 points and is LoE. Hence > it > > is > > > > eager to give results. > > > > > > > > So, marriage may happen is Ma antra from 11/8/2006 to 11/5/2007. > > > > > > > > It may happen in second sector since Ju has 5th sight on Sa. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > For finding proper sector I am still practicing it.. > > > > > I will share with you what I have found. If there is a delay > > > > causing > > > > > planet say it can be Venus or Guru or Sa then its last > sector. > > > At > > > > > the same time there is a law that IF THE DELAY CAUSING PLANET > > IS > > > > LOD > > > > > OR LOE then it will give it in first sector. Now this can be > > > > > modified buy Zeroes in SAV. > > > > > We also need to see if say the strong significator is saw > with > > > > Shani > > > > > etc. So I am still practicing such things and hopefully will > > be > > > > more > > > > > confident with more practice. > > > > > I think here again u need to get an understanding first of > the > > > > chart > > > > > and then you can narrow to proper sector. > > > > > > > > > > Say delay causing planets antra is running and so it will try > > to > > > > give > > > > > in 1st sector at the same time there is 1 zero and at the > same > > > time > > > > > say for marriage there lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 it > means > > > > there > > > > > is blessing of father or guru so in that case the event MAY > > > happen > > > > in > > > > > the first sector only. > > > > > > > > > > So such things and again overall chart should be kept in > mind. > > > > Thats > > > > > been my experience this far. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manu > Batura" > > > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, will it be correct to say that sector selection is > used > > > > only > > > > > > when Sa itself becomes the significator. > > > > > > Then, we can determine in which sector of its antar-dasha > the > > > > event > > > > > > happens by the rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, what should we do when sa causes full delay but is > > not > > > > the > > > > > > significator? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash, I will try to analyse Hema's chart this evening to see > > if > > > I > > > > > can > > > > > > figure out the period. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > Sa is delay causing planet and that is clear. > > > > > > > When Ju malefically aspects 7th house or its lord then > > > > > > > that can also cause further delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a law when Guru is in lagna with more > > > > > > > points it can cause seperation or divorse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In such a case it can cause further delay also in > > > > > > > selecting the proper sector. It will cause delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zeores in SAV also cause delay and so does so many > > > > > > > other things for example if venus is spoilt then that > > > > > > > can also cause delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So we should keep all these things in mind. Study > > > > > > > each status carefully. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru in libra can also cause delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to study whole chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For that we need to solve so many charts and it will > > > > > > > come with experience and you will start to get a > > > > > > > feeler on such things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a few more doubts about delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lessons say that Ju and Sa are delay causing > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it that Sa causes delay and Ju checks it or can > > > > > > > > Jupiter can also > > > > > > > > cause full delay when there is no delay due to > > > > > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case how do we measure the delay? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , Ash > > > > > > > > Sam > > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > > > In that case I would think when it first reaches 0 > > > > > > > > > deg. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was refering to the retrogression of Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > > > > > > > > "ashsam73" > > > > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > > > > > How 2 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 16 deg into Cancer so in 2.5 year it > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > hit 16 deg in > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > and 2.5 year after that into Virgo > > > > > > > > ............... > > > > > > > > > > to 0 deg Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the cycle starts from 16 deg Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So only once. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it will be clear now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > "Manu Batura" > > > > > > > > > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. However, sometimes Sa will cut > > > > > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > > > degrees twice. > > > > > > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > > > > > we take the first cut or the second? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > "ashsam73" > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry ignore my previous email too.. in > > > > > > > > rush I > > > > > > > > > > made mistake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say Sa is 16 degrees in Cancer. So for > > > > > > > > full > > > > > > > > > > delay caused by > > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be till Shani transits around the > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > and comes to 0 deg > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > , "Manu > > > > > > > > > > Batura" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read CAN as LIB in previous mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, I really need to get my concepts cleared about delay before sa causes more delay. I have a few doubts:Let us say that a native was born when Sa was in LIB. Now if there is full delay,should we consider then delay to be from the case when Sa moves from CAN -> PIS (0 degrees)or should we consider it to be from the case when LIB ->LIB(full cycle) -> PIS (0 degrees). I have many many more doubts about delay.I will ask them later. Thanks & Regards, Manu In ,"ashsam73" wrote: Dear Manu, Welcome back to the list. With Sagittarius lagna here are some observations Sa is in 7th, House B, It is LoA and it conjoins Venus who is LoC in navamsa so full delay. Guru is in Aquarius sign of delay casuing planet Shani so he cant check delay caused by Sa. So full delay.Please read point 5 in lesson in Lesson 24.Guru also aspects 7th house malefically and this also causes further delay. Cheers !!! Ash New Lesson " Vyavsaya Jatak " ( Occupation ) This is one of the branch of astrology, to determine the favorable occupation of the jatak. Earning and the occupation are two different things. If a person doing the work as per his liking, does not mean that he will earn more. Planetary position can decides the liking of the person, In which subject he can have his liking, in which subject a person can go ahead. How much money he can earn is entirely different thing. From the chart we can find out, in which line a person can utilise his capecity to maximum. A person may be in any occupation, or business, the earning is depends on his DHANYOG. A foolish wealthy person can get respect in the socity. A wise, but poor person donot get any respect in the society. That is the reason every person wants to earn money. Happiness can not be purchased by money, still it is undoubtably true that money is the main intrument to to get happiness. So every body, even a poor or wealthy person, is interested to know that how much wealth I will earn. To be a wealthy person, to get substantial money in life ( unearned money, lottery), or getting substantial money by own efforts, all these things are depends on planetary positions at the time of birth. A person can utilise his capecity to maximum possible. A vehicle speedometer is having speed to maximum may be up to 200 KMH, but a person can drive it up to the speed he can control it. This depends upon the capecity of the person. Same way a person can earn to his capecity. Still there is something different then work. A person gets ample money by the way of will, or by being adopted by some wealthy person, or by getting lottery, Here only the luck factor is responsible. In a perticular business one person gets substential money, and other in the same work looses every thing. Some person all of a sudden gets promosion and becames higher officer, other more capeble person gets redradation. All these are the game of stars. All these things we can read to some extent fron the birth chart, and can be utilised to some limit for benefit. The result of any house can not be determined from the sign in that house or the planets situated in that house. For this we must find the strength of these house and planets. Only the astakvarg system is the most reliable system which gives the correct strength of the planets and the houses. For finding the capebility of the person, we must know his brilliency, his memory, his grasping power. It can be decided, which line will be suitable for the person. The lord of 10th house and its samdharmi planets can guide, which line will be suiatable. This should be checked from the 10th house from Lagna, Sun and Moon. Fourth house indicates the knowedge. Karak for knowedge is Saturn. If Lagna, Sun and Moon are situated in the house owned by Saturn in Navamansha, Trishansha, and Dreshkona charts. If no one is situated in the house of Saturn then the person have sharpness of grasping below average. If in one house, person is some what brillient of average capecity. Two places means above average, and if three places then god memory and sharpness. ( This phenomenon can be used for rectification of the birth time ) Skill of the person depends upon the grasping power. More skillful work requires more sharpness of mind. some of the Work or business denoted by the 10th lord and its samdharmi as fallows: Sun: Then business related to Gold, ornaments, Speculations, Gove Services, Authority, Polytics, executors of any task, Factioory owner etc. Moon : Silver, liquid substances, Drinks, Eatable, Liquid medicines, liquor, Female utility materials, singing and cenema talkies etc. Mars : Militery, Police officer, Sergon, Skilled in opersating machines, buchers, Steel and cast iron work, Weapons and tools manufacturing, Constructional material, Blood and medicines which makes person unconsous are under the control of Mars. Mercury: Printing press, Books, publisher, news papers, post office, courier services, Insurence, writers, students, vehicles, railway, Computers soft wares etc. Jupiter: Civil court matters, Judges, advocates, solisitors, Professors, teachers, School, Colleges, Commercial sea services, transports eating houses, computers hardwares etc. Venus: Art and design works, actors, Dance, music, Pearls, tiolets, perfumes, graded eating houses, nursing homes, sweets makeup materials for womens etc. Saturn: Mines, Minerals, labors, granes, oil, lubricants, Wood, old man, farming, sanitation, all sorts of hard work. These are few works. Now with combinations of two ore more planets, this list can be un ending. After determination of the brilliency, and the suiable line, we should find out the earning, and favourable planets. The Worksheet is very important tool for this. From the work sheet we can find the most strong planet, and most strong house. The vertical total of every planet should be minimum 144, and must get minimum 12 points in 2, 5, 8, 10 and 11th houses. The planet which gets minimum 12 points for all the houses is more powerful. We should not go on the total only. It should not give negative points for any house. Suppose there are two planets say X and Y. Total of planet X is say 175, and that of Y is 150. Planet X is having less then 12 points for 10 and 11. other houses are having more points, where as Y is having minimum 12 points for all the house. Then Y should be treated as more powerful. Similarly We must find the total of the points gained by each planet for every house. The house which gets more then 12 points due to all the seven planets should be treated as strong. The total points should not be less then 84. ( IN MY LAST NOTES I HAVE WRITTEN BY MISTAKE 72, WHICH SHOULD BE CORRECTED.) Points against D,B,C and E houses agains 6th house should be less then 28. For Own work or higher posting these points should be in rising order. If deviation is more in the points of above houses, then it indicates service, or lower work. For higher authority, and for having subordinates under any person, lors of trine and centres should be samdharmi. ( they may be in same navamansha, or same sign.) The occupation can be sujjested for the strongest planets. It must be in relations to the capecity of the person. We will solve charts given by Shree Peterji, so more fundamentals will be clear. Can any body try it? I will give my comments on 23rd. krushna Dear Krushnaji, It is so uncanny, I looked at mine, and it completely describes the various work I do ! Thank you very much. I have one question : To ascertain if one is self employed or working for someone else even if the calculations show them to be in ascending order as in 2, 5, 8, 10 houses, how do I go about it ? With respects, Swee Dear Swee, The houses should be for 5th house = D(2),B(5),C(9) and E (10), instead you mentioned 2,5,8,10. If these points are in asending order, person gets success in A house Karkatva. So 5th house matters, Authority, Educations, Study of occult science, Adhyatmic matters, etc. Person likes to do some social work. This should be checked with Moon also, and mean should be taken. For self employed, or higher authority, we must see points for 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th house of the chart, from Lagna and Moon. krushna Respected Peterji, I have also searched my mail, in which I told about total of the points, But not found. In Feb end and complete march, My maximum mails delayed and might have lost. So I have changed my address. Now My mails are reaching with a click of button. For your reference I am puting it again here. The strength of the planet: The total of all points got by a planet for all the 12 house is considered as a overall strength of the planet. fOR A PLANET HAVING GOOD STRENGTH,It should not be less then 144. More over it should not get less then 12 points for any house. The planet which gets minimum 12 points for all the houses, and total is min 144 for all the houses is said to be benefic planet. Both the conditions should be fulfilled. Such planet will give benefic result. If such planet is 12th lord from house B, its result will be moderated for house B. (This phenomenon is used for Vastu shastra with Astakvarg base.) Strength of the house: The strength of the house is the total of all the planets for that house. ( Total of Row 17 ) This total should be Minimum 84 and points due to each planets should not be less then 12. Such house should be consdidered as strong. All the results indicated by that house can be experenced as benefic. (This is also used for fixing benefic direction of home in Vastu shashtra.) krushna Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Dear Anup Ji, It is my pleasure. Regards. Ramesh Mishra"Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Ramesh ji, Even i will say to you, Thank you very much Regards Anup --- On Mon, 8/12/08, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Re: Learning KAS Date: Monday, 8 December, 2008, 9:36 PM Dear Nikhlesh Ji, I am attaching two docs.file for you. Hope this may help you. I had found it out from my pen drive where it was saved. Thanks Ramesh Mishranikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur@ rediffmail. com> wrote: Dear Ramesh ji, Yes, I am going through the lessons. I shall do it with greater concentration now.Actually it happens in all fields that one sometimes get stuck up on simple issues, which otherwise are not difficult.In free time I will try to search in the old mails of KAS.Anyways, thanks a lot for your reply.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Sat, 06 Dec 2008 ramesh mishra wrote :>Dear Nikhlesh Ji,> If you go through the lessons of Donna's website then all your doubt will be clear.> In that there is a separate lesson of Samadharmi.> If there is still any doubt understanding the points then we may clear your doubts but first go through the lessons.> Thanks> Ramesh Mishra>>nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur@ rediffmail. com> wrote:>>Dear Ramesh ji,>> Many thanks for your prompt reply.>The funda' is becoming clear day by day..>>Now suppose if Ma had 3 points and Me only 2 in Taurus sign then would it be that Me then controlled Ju inspite of Ma in enemy sign.>>The fewer points are important or being in enemy sign is important?>>Just one more point here.......;>>How Ju is SD to Ma ? Infact, can you please elaborate a bit your reply to point 3 below.>>Also when does actually a planet 4th from a weaker one, opposes the weaker one? Or, is it that it does not opppose? I am a bit confued here at the moment.>>Thanks for your time. Such questions came up because you explained it quite nicely.>>Regards,>Nikhlesh Mathur>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 ramesh mishra wrote :> >Dear Nikhlesh Ji,> > As per your query below is the answers of your question.> > 1.. Me is with 3 bindus and Ma is with 2 bindus in Taurus for Cp ascendant.>> > This means Ma is weak in 5th house and enemy to house owner.> > Here the weaker planet is Ma so Ma will control Ju and Ju will give points to Ma.>> > 2. No. Only weakest planet controls the planet with>4 bindus placed in 4th house from that planet.>> > 3. No Ju is SD to Ma.If antara of Ju comes first then Ju will step in for giving the result>> > 4.Yes. Explained in 1.> > Others may correct me if I am wrong anywhere.> > Ramesh Mishra> >> >nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur@ rediffmail. com> wrote:> >> >06.12.2008> >> >Sub : Learning KAS> >> >Dear Group Members,> >> > In continuation with the process of understanding the basic fundamentals of KAS, once again,> >> >My Query is:> >> >For example in Capricorn ascendant, Me & Ma are in 5th house with points BAV 3 & 2 respectively and Ju is in 8th house with BAV 5 points> >> >then;> >> >i) Out of Me & Ma which one will control Ju?> >> >ii) Is it that both of them will have control on Ju?> >> >iii) Is it that Ju will oppose both Me & Ma in its AD?> >> >iv) Will the power of the planets for the houses concerned play a bigger role in deciding which one will control Ju?> >> >Regards,> >Nikhlesh Mathur> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >------------ --------- --------- ---> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>>>>>>------------ --------- --------- ---> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Dear Ramesh, Hope you are well. How is your study on KAS is going? Next week I will be little bit free at work and will send you the email about my thoughts on the chart you were looking for Marriage. Over the months, I have collected some of the old archived mails from the group for my study. I am attaching those with this email. Take care Bala Dear Manu and Dadhi, Lets take 1 example from the lesson. Mercury in 4th house : Person lives in rented house ; has a good job. Of course it reduces maritial happiness. How do we come to these ? 1) For Aries lagna mercury is 3rd lord and 6th lord. House and Happiness from home is 4th house. Mercury is 12th lord from B.12th from B is not condusive to the result of 4th this we know.Now Mercury has gone into lagna and it is with more points. So such planets are eager to give results in general case but here there is an exception that is also given in our laws.If 12th from B goes to House D or E then it reduces the results of that house. So here it may give a house but it may be rented. 2nd point. : The person has a good job. Here 3rd lord and 6th lord is mercury. For 6th as B for job, 3rd house is LoD. At the same time Mercury has gone into Karak sthan with more points. LoD in House A with more points so it becomes even more eager to give good job in his antra. 3rd point : It reduces marital happines. Firstly its 6th lord. Secondly its with more points and in lagna aspecting 7th house with malefic dristi. So here it will reduce maritial happiness. So Like this others points can be read in terms of ABCDE houses. I am trying to write in short as I am busy with work.... this is how I started readig.. but I am still learning and hopefully Krushnaji can correct me if I am going wrong somewhere. Like this try to read all other planets and results give. I agree I am not 100% clear on the navamsa part in reference to what Dadhi said and would love if Krushnaji whenever he can comment on the same and give us guidance. Cheers !!!Ash Manu Batura <manubatura > wrote: Dear Ash, If it was not Sun or Moon that we were considering, then 7 to 9 houses results can take place. 2 due to placement in D or E. 4 due to lordship of D or E. 1 to 3 due to aspects (can be malefic or benefic). Is that correct? Regards, Manu In , "ashsam73"wrote: Dear Manu, W.r.t your question on finding results for other houses, if you study the lesson think in terms of house ABCDE and u will get most of the answers.The results are for plantes with more points in a house.Taurus lagna with Sun in lagna with more points would means 4th lord in lagna with more points. So such a sun will become eager to give results for 4th house and 8th house. Here also Sun will aspect 7th house but its aspect cant be taken as malefic so its good for 7th house and 11th house results being loD and loe. If Sun is in the first 3deg20 and then next 3deg20 so in total first 6deg40 then its in navamsa of Shani (capricorn and aquarius) at the same time if the rising degree is first 3deg20 then navamsa rising will be capricorn and from 3deg20 to 6deg40 it will be in navamsa of aquarius. With our laws we know that Sun/moon/lagna in more sectors of Shani makes a person brilliant. Regarding the Vedic Astrology portion I will defer that part to Krushnaji. Like this you can think for all planets in particular house and for all lagnas. I hope that this gives you some guidance and like I am still learning and trying to undertand lesson 29 and for other lagnas too . I hope that helps. Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura" wrote: Dear Ash, Krushnaji, I have a doubt in lesson 29. It is stated that the statements are for Aries ascendant. How do we interpret for other ascendants. Should we cyclically rotate the houses as the lagna changes and will the interpretations stay the same? Do the degrees (qualitative) of the features change from lagna to lagna.I mean as vedic astrology characterises people as per their lagna, do we also do the same in KAS? Thanks & Regards, Manu Career change Respected Guru's and learned students, I am a new student and find this sight informative. My question is that career related.I left my job on May 28, 2004 to pursue a sales job. I am not happy with my decision and am wondering if I will find a suitable job in the near future. I am including my chart below for your reference. Any feed back would be much appreciated. Warm Regards, Debbie Natal Chart November 18, 1963 Time: 10:33:00 Time Zone: 8:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 121 W 29' 36", 38 N 34' 54" Sacramento, California, USA Altitude: 20.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Shobhana - Nija Karthika Tithi: Sukla Tritiya (Ma) (75.48% left) Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo) Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (5.27% left) Yoga: Sukarman (Ma) Karana: Taitula (Me) Hora Lord: Mars (5 min sign: Ge) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Cp) Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:55:27 Sunset: 16:46:29 Janma Ghatis: 9.0646 Ayanamsa: 23-20-52.47 Sidereal Time: 14:15:21 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 19 Sg 45' 48.74" PSha 2 Sg Vi Sun - DK 2 Sc 21' 14.86" Visa 4 Sc Cn Moon - AK 29 Sc 17' 49.26" Jye 4 Sc Pi Mars - AmK 24 Sc 12' 35.13" Jye 3 Sc Aq Mercury - PK 10 Sc 15' 03.42" Anu 3 Sc Li Jupiter ® - PiK 16 Pi 39' 55.02" UBha 4 Pi Sc Venus - MK 23 Sc 07' 50.16" Jye 2 Sc Cp Saturn - BK 23 Cp 46' 08.47" Dhan 1 Cp Le Rahu - GK 20 Ge 17' 47.06" Puna 1 Ge Ar Ketu 20 Sg 17' 47.06" PSha 3 Sg Li Maandi 22 Aq 02' 13.70" PBha 1 Aq Ar Gulika 7 Aq 24' 06.50" Sata 1 Aq Sg Bhava Lagna 26 Sg 35' 20.59" PSha 4 Sg Sc Hora Lagna 20 Aq 58' 35.16" PBha 1 Aq Ar Ghati Lagna 4 Le 08' 18.87" Makh 2 Le Ta Vighati Lagna 9 Sc 56' 57.44" Anu 2 Sc Vi Varnada Lagna 19 Sc 45' 48.74" Aswi 1 Sc Li Sree Lagna 0 Sg 46' 58.85" Mool 1 Sg Ar Dhooma 15 Pi 41' 14.86" UBha 4 Pi Sc Vyatipata 14 Ar 18' 45.14" Bhar 1 Ar Le Parivesha 14 Li 18' 45.14" Swat 3 Li Aq Indra Chapa 15 Vi 41' 14.86" Hast 2 Vi Ta Upaketu 2 Li 21' 14.86" Chit 3 Li Li Kaala 20 Ar 32' 59.70" Bhar 3 Ar Li Mrityu 25 Sc 01' 09.57" Jye 3 Sc Aq Artha Prahara 11 Sg 39' 41.22" Mool 4 Sg Cn Yama Ghantaka 0 Cp 45' 58.57" USha 2 Cp Cp Dear Debbie, Please cast your chart using Krushnas ayanamsa. Then our antras will match this system. You can find out the value from the worksheet in the file section on Krushnas ayanamsa. Here Venus in your chart is LoE for Job and Venus is placed in 12th house where Venus gets enhanced. Venus is also placed in its dhan sthan i.e 2nd from 11th house. Moon is with Ketu in lagna and getting 7th aspect of Rahu. You have 42 points in 10th house as compared to 32 points in 11th house. So a lot of effort you must put in to make income or might be getting lesser returns as compared to the effort you put in. Lagna points are 24 so u have an adjusting nature. Moon with Ketu in lagna though the distance is greater than 15 degrees will have effect. It will make u obsessive and passionate. Venus is also with Mars and in 12th house. Venus is very close to mars and they also come together in navamsa. There is full delay for your marriage but its moderated by Guru. So you might have met around 1985/86 i.e in Venus/Saturn antra as per Krushnas ayanamsa. Death of your husband is clearly seen. Mahadasha of Sun who is 3rd lord from 7th and in Antra of Jupiter who has the highest points for 2nd house caused seperation. Death happens in antra of highest points and Jupiter has highest points for 2nd house. You are back in relationship again since in Moon/Shani antra. Check shanis points for 5th and 12th. Coming to your job and change of job. You are in Venus antra. Venus has less points though its LoE for 6th house. At the same time points of venus is less in 11th house, 2nd house, 3rd house, 5th house, 6th house (LoE), 10th house, 11th house and 12th house. Since Venus is LoE it will give u job but no satisfaction from it. Income. More effort needed. However you will be optimistic and try to look at the brighter side of things. Due to your moon being aspected by Rahu you may take things to the extremes due to obsessive nature. Moon is also with Rahu in navamsa. 3rd house points are less in this antra so try not to loose your cool quickly. Shani and Guru's points are 8. So its good. You will make ends meet in some way or the other. Oh, you have the blessing of Guru or Father. This blessing will help you overcome difficult times. This is very powerful. The guys you date or are with in relationship u will love truely and will be practical about things. Period between 2001/01 thru 2002/08 might have been worry some for you. Might have had some toothaches and might have had some people at work trying to spoil your name. I am out of time... Can you comment on my analysis please. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, I have a few questions. Can you kindly let me know what is the behavior of ve in other houses also. Also Ash, isn't it correct that dhan stan is 2nd from lagna? Why was 11th house chosen in this case. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, 2nd house from any house is the dhan sthan of that house. Venus is in 2nd from own house in this case Venus owns 11th house. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Anil, I do not have much time however I did see your chart quickly. You just finished antra of Venus who has 11 point for 6th house but is in House D for 6th as B with 4 bindus and is 2nd lord. So defnitely it will give u a lot of worries. Sun antra just started. It has good points for 6th but its still has 12 for 11th and 17 points for 12th. So its showing more expenses than income. Again Sun is in 2nd house with 5 bindus so again it will be a period of worry but more stable for job. You also may have a strong desire to do business. About your family joining you if that is depending on you getting a stable job then sun antra is upto 2005/01/30. Then comes moon. Moon is showing some change in job for you in ketu mahadasha. Even Shani and Jupiter points are 7. So overall period of planet in 2nd house with more points, Sa + Ju points less than 8, more expenses than income is the flavour about Sun. Also its good for childbirth if you are trying. Cheers !!! Ash , "anil"<anilmunjanattu> wrote: Dear Mr.Ash, Let me request your help to locate the time where I can live with my family. I married in November 1997. Now I am at Middle East. Because of inconsistency of job, I could not bring them with me so far. Kindly see the period if I can settle down in my job and join with my family. DOB: 15th May 1967, Time: 5.58.25 am 76E16 9N58 (Cochin) India Wife's DOB: 10th June 1974, Time: 5.17.40 am 76E16 9N58 (Cochin)India Regards, anil Dear Manu, 10th house is for authority and 6th lord in 10th with more points makes one "allergic" to authority.. so might cause her to "rebel" or go against the advise of say elders or father or someone who has authority over her like elders or father or parents. Again Guru in in its uncha sthan so more multiplication factor. This is also coupled with 35 bindus in lagna along with close aspect of rahu on moon. In female chart you check both 11th house and 5th house for conception. Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Dear Ash, You have given interesting points to think about. There are so many factors that indicate problems.Also, the influence of rahu on moon to a close degree also indicates that she might have taken a crazy decision. I could not understand two points: 1. 6th lord in 10th. How does this effect? 2. For conception I think you are refering to 11th lord.Is that right? Does 11th house rule conception.And if the 11th house is weak does it mean that there shall be problems in conception? Thanks again for your points. Thanks & Regards, Manu In , "ashsam73" <ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Here are a few observations I think you can understand these If I just write them in point form. 1) 1 zero due to Mars in 12th 2) Lagna points 35 3) Moon aspected by Rahu with with 7th dristi (differnce < 4 deg) 4) 6th lord in 10th 5) Guru in libra 6) Venus to sun distance > 43deg20 and its aspected by Shani and Shani aspects a luminiary. 7) Venus in Moola. 8) Me and Ma is in House D for 7th. Me is 12th lord and LoD for 12th and Mars is LoD for 5th and 7th lord and is situated in 4th house and are SD. 9) 6th lord aspecting 2nd house (family) 10) All planets are affected by 6th lord. Ketu also is SD to 6th lord The time asked was for 20/5/1998 that falls in antra of Venus. From above points its showing multiple relations. There is no delay and for her to leave or elope there must be strong attraction. She might have come close the guy in Ketu antra. Ketu is in House E for 12th.She also has high points in lagna and moon afflicted by rahu. Venus antra lasts from 1998/02 thru 2001/04.Its in 3rd house so it is also triggering 6th and 10th house. Can you find out if she took up a job during this period. Yes, Venus also has less points for 2nd house it has 11 points so showing less happiness from family.If this lady eloped during the begining of Venus sector there is also chance for conception in Venus antra as Ve is LoD for 11th and with 20 points for 11th.. In any case it was good exercise. Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura" <manubatura> wrote: Dear Ash, and list members, I was informed that the girl ran away with a poor boy of low character causing immense grief to her family.It might be a good exercie to see why this happened from her chart even if it is a post analysis. Thanks & Regards, Manu In , "ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Did matters of 6th and 10th trigger. The native might have got some award or recognition or a change in job. Awating your answer. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Hi, My friend forwarded me a chart.The following are the birth details of a girl. 1/31/1979, 0:14am, Pune,India ASC: Lib 9:48 Can you describe what event happened on 5/20/1998? I think it is a somewhat difficult exercise.Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, Did matters of 6th and 10th trigger. The native might have got some award or recognition or a change in job. Awating your answer. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Denis, House A i.e. FK for 9th house is 4th house. 9th house includes Father. It also indicates higher education, Guru, Fortune amongts other thing. Now NK is Moon (4th house in kalpurush) chart. So NK governs the overall health of 9 house which includes father. Also remember we need to check functional karak too i.e. 4th house in Rasi chart. There are different school of thought. We follow 3rd for mother and 9th for father. I think this discussion was held in the past between Krushnaji and Das Guptaji. You can look up on the archives for the actual reasoning. If I get time I shall try to find it and post you the link. Now for Death of Father we consider 4th house as B. For natural death of father we check for highest points in 4th house just like we do for natural death for self from 8th house points, for death of spouse from 2nd house (8th from 7th house). Sun is Natural 5th lord. If you will notice keenly its Karak for 10th house for power, authority. 5th house is also the House of Crown. 5th house is kinda overall in charge of health of 10th house. Another way of looking at the same phenemon.. 5th house is also of degree or "Gain of Knowledge" i.e. 2nd house from 4th. 4th hosue is of knowledge and 5th is gain or wealth of it. Now if you get a good degree or a higher degree i.e. stronger is the 5th house.. you have more chances of getting a more "Authorative" job.... i.e. 10th house automatically becomes strong... when such thing happens even LOD and LOE get a boost. House "A" denotes the Quantum. That is why we start this theory with "A" and then go to "B" and so on. If "A" or Natural Karak and along with that if Functional Karak is spoilt that is "A" from your chart then sometimes even lords of House D and E who are eager to give results their power diminishes.... So try to see things from the view point of "A", "B","C", and samrudhni sthans "D" and "E". Hope that helps. Cheers !!! Ash , Labouré Denis <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > It will be helpful. I have a question about this theory. > > According to Krushna, the father is in the 9th house. For the 9th house, the 4th is the house A. So, Moon is the natural karaka for the father. There is an inconsistency somewhere. Should the father be in the 10th house, the Sun should be the natural karaka. > > What is your understanding of this point? > > Thanks a lot > Denis > > - > ashsam73 > > Monday, August 04, 2003 1:27 PM > My Personal Meet With Krushnaji - An Experience to Share > > > In another discussion I had with Krushnaji, he explained in short > that there was a huge theory behind House A,B,C and D and E. He had > received one of the highest jyotish awards in the India and also was > offerend a PhD for his system by Sri Lankan University and he was > offered to fly there and receive the honour but due to the situation > beyond his reach he was not able to go and receive the Doctorate. Dear Denis, Dymocks tests do not give past events. I do not know what is the basis for the time and its rectification. So I am not too keen on that. I am sure others members may be. I prefer to predict more of life events rather than find out when lightning struck or if someone won a lottery or when someones dog died !!! but that is MY PREFERENCE. For now I am more interested to learn the Ashtakvarg system more thoroughly. Maybe in future I may take part in such tests but for now I want to focus on understanding the system in more detail. I do not understand your question about being confused on timing of the event. Follow this procedure. 1) Select the correct antra based on the worksheet for timing of event. I am sure you can do that with whats taught. 2) Next step is break the antra into 3 equal parts. 3) Try to find the correct 1/3rd sector that the event will fall under. 4) Even if you consider Venus/Venus Mahadasha/Antra then max antra period you will get for the 1/3rd part is 13 months and 10 days and for Sun/Sun it would be 3 months. So basic range will be from 3 months roughly to 13 months roughly. 5) Now from that you can pick up the strongest significators and suns transit over it as you have said (or weakest significator for bad events). If you consider antra the leave that and take the other 2 periods and make a list of dates. 6) Things in India are done during good Mahurat. So after that see a good mahurat for the event to happen. For example when Sun is in Leo like now then people generally avoid marriages.. atleast till end October or early November that too you would have to find a proper Mahurat. I specificially do not know the reason or the philosophical reasoning for this but this is how it is and a lot of people in India follow that. Even if 20% of people follow that in India I think thats more population that entire Europe... !!! 7) I think if you follow procedures upto here you can narrow down the event to a few dates or even events upto 13 days either way. 8) If you further want to go in deeper then I think we will have to wait for Krushnaji to give us more lessons on that. I think till then we can practice what we have learnt so far Follow these steps and see how much success you get. All these things have been given in the lessons. Now coming to the worksheet about Sanjay. In my convesation with Krushnaji he was using yours and Sanjays worksheet. Sanjays worksheet is CORRECT and I have not worked with yours but since Krushnaji also uses it I assume its CORRECT. In fact I had put in the check for 6th lord in 6th house and Krushnaji told me to correct it and he confirmed that What Sanjay had done is CORRECT. So I went and changed my logic. So be rest assured that the the work you and Sanjay have done is proper. For timing what you and Sanjay have done is Proper. Now second part it to see the effect. If you read Krushnajis email to Margarita for Childbirth and Samdharmi recently you will see how hes considered points for Jupiter to be 14 instead of low. THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE SEPERATELY. So there is no anomalies. Hope that clarifies. Cheers !!! Ash Dear List Members, Here was one question Krushnaji had asked me when explaining 4:10 theory. I thought it was interesting.... So here it is.. Assume the following scenario. 1) Lagna : Libra and Mars is in 4th house (Capricorn) with 5 bindus. 2) Lagna : Leo and Mars is in 4th house (Scorpio) with 5 bindus. Assume that for Marriage i.e. House B = 7. How will Mars react for both cases. Hint : Here as per our laws Mars is in House D with 5 bindus and can give marriage in both cases but what is the difference i.e. overall result ? How will such a Mars act ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, I am a silent member but I have been following the discussions since Krushna started this list and I try to apply the principles in real life in order to see how they work. I cannot participate actively because I read the contributions during my working time. Also I am not a professional astrologer. As to your question: For Libra lagna, Mars rules the 2nd and 7th houses.These are related to marriage.Moreover Mars is exalted and occupy house "D" with 5 points. Since, it is located in the 10th from the 7th( Aries-Mars). The spouse shall be working mostly for himself. This may mean that he will have egoistic manner and will pursue his owns interests at the expense of the married life. For Leo Lagna, Mars rules and is placed in house "D" with 5 points. It is also located in the 10th from the 7th. Mars is sandharmi to Sun, lagna lord. This should lead to a more balanced married life. Please correct me if I am wrong, Cheers, Pingo dear philippe i would like to add in whatever you hv mentioned. for leo lagna-ascendent ,MARS IS the lord of4th house and the 9th house,so it is RAJYOGKARAK for leo lagna.although some importance-effect may get reduced, being badhakesh.( for lagna 2-5-8-11 lord of 9th house) with regards deepak --- philippe bonin <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I think that in both cases Mars can give marriage > but it is aspecting 7th > house. In the case of Libra lagna, Mars is not lord > of D nor E and its > aspect on 7th house has a value of -5. In the case > of Leo lagna Mars is lord > of D in D with more points and its aspect on 7th > house can't be bad. So if > my understanding is correct the result should be > better in the case of Leo > lagna. Please correct me if I'm wrong. > > Best regards > Philippe Hello Ash, Thank you for wharing this question. Yes, Mars can give results for both and Mars has also aspect on the same houses. So here it's a question of "quality" of the marriage meaning that Mars is different for Libra then for Leo asc For Libra asc Mars is the lord of the 2nd always creating problems. A worrysome lord that aspects 2 marriage houses or gives marriage in his sub is worse than one that is lord of 4th and 9th. which is the case for Leo asc Best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, Philippe, Pingo, and list members, All of you are close there is one more subtle difference. Yes Margarita a slight subtlity and yes its got to do with Quality. If someone ask about "Timing" in both cases Mars can furnish the result. What will be the quality ? There was a post by Krushnaji on this part ... Very good churning of thoughts.... If it helps.. I answered in a smiliar way and I also could not think of it..... and Krushnaji had a smile on his face and had told me to think again.... he he he... One more thing.. this point will make readings even more better.... Keep on thinking.. Good job guys.. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Deepak, We already consider ALL yogakaraks in this system indirectly. If you read the lessons on Samdharmis and read in detail on part of Natural Samdharmi you will understand this part. Even of Shani and Venus they are yogakaras for each others lagna... so in this system they become natural samdharmi and can step in for the other... i.e. if one is a strong significator and if it cant give result for some reason or the other like its period is far away and if the other gets the opportunity it will furnish the result... Shani and Venus are Natural Samdharmi Mars and Sun are natural samdharmi Mars and Moon are natural samdharmi. If the antra of say Mars was far and if Sun came in first it would furnish the result.. there is an exception that if Mars and Moon or Mars and Sun or Venus and Shani were in 1:7 position then They do not become Natural Samdhamari. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash hello Ash, I see you smiling when messages come in. Well enjoy the twistings of our minds. Now for Leo asc Mars IS LOD so the result of house B depends on this Mars in Scorpio. For Libra asc Mars is IN D being lord of A and D so here Mars can give results for "timing" the event of marriage but it will be Saturn LOD who will decide on the "quality" of the marriage. Well, am I on the right track ??? Hear from you Margarita Dear Margarita, You are kinda on the right track.. but its got more to do with 4:10 ... think.. ) Cheers !!! Ash Dear listmembers participating in trying to solve the 4/10 puzzle., I transmit part of my conversation I had with Ash on the web. He helped me out and I thought everybody could profit from it. Of course the solution is obvious, I just wasn't able to put the pieces together.... Here it comes ashsam73: if MARS with 5 bindus is in 4th house what will it to do 7th house ???? margarita: it's harming that house of course ashsam73: Perfect !!! ashsam73: Mars with 5 bindus WILL GIVE MARRIAGE BUT WHAT ABOUT QUALITY margarita: BAD QUALITY ashsam73: YES YES YES !!! ashsam73: so how can u interpret it.. ashsam73: hve u got my chart ? open it.. i will demonstrate it... quicky ashsam73: Venus is with 3 bnidus so it will OPPOSE 4TH HOUSE, its planet and HOUSE ashsam73: mars in sco in 4th house.. CANNOT HARM 7TH HOUSE as it's LOD. BUT in case where Mars is exalted.. it is not LOD or LOE so it will give -5 to 7th house AND oppose 7th house.. due to 4:10; and since Mars is in exaltation.. power will be felt as 5*1.4 = 7 bindus ( 1.4 is multiplcation factor) margarita: YES So, we see how this problem illustrates different things we learned : 1. lords of D and E don't harm house B 2. planets in own house or exaltation lose their quality as LOD and LOE 3.Planets oppose the 4th house and planets in that house (depends on the bindus) Best regards to all Margarita Dear Krushnaji,Margarita and list members, Just to add to that..and clarify something.. In both cases Mars can give marriage, but the quality will be different. Scenario : For Mars in Capricon with 5 bindus and in 4th house ----------------------------- 1) Mars in capricorn in 4th house with 5 bindus will cast a dristi of -5. (It will be FELT like -7 due to the fact that Mars is in Capricorn). 2) Since Mars is with 5 bindus in House D as per our law given in lessons it will act like LOD and will furnish the result and the result will be felt is like +7 (due to it begin in its exaltation state so use multiplication factor of 1.4 so its 5 bindus * 1.4 is the FEELING and not to be considered for timing). Also such a mars will aspect 11th house i.e House C and House B. 3) Now we know that Mars has 3 dristis so such a powerful mars will be good for house its placed it but will cast dristi of -5 (felt like -7 this part we need to consider in your mind) 4) Also we need to consider the fact that such a Mars with 5 bindus will oppose 7th house but help the 1st house.. i.e planets with high bindus OPPOSE house from them and help the house in 10th from them.. and that too being exalted to effect "Felt" will be of higher degree. 5) So interpret such a result... Yes such a Mars will give marriage but it may also take it away or cause a seperation ... or basically oppose 7th house matters and results felt will be with POWER due to it being exalted i.e. felt like after multiplying by 1.4. Scenario : For Mars in Scorpio with 5 bindus and in 4th house ----------------------------- 1) Mars is in own sign Scorpio in 4th house with 5 bindus so its in House D and itself is LOD so *though* it has 5 bindus it CANNOT cast -5 bindus and reduce the result of House B i.e. 7th hosue and House C i.e. 11th house. Infact its result will be felt is much better due to fact that its in own house and Multiplication factor is 1.2 2) Such a Mars with 5 bindus cannot oppose 7th house and it will also help the 1st house. Also notice that LOE is also natural samdharmi to Mars. i.e. House E is Cancer and its lord is Moon. So D and E are samdharmis. 3) So results felt by such a Mars will be beneficial. Here due to the fact that Mars is in own sign its multiplication factor is also higher so overall good results for Marriage. Krushnaji, Please feel free to correct me if I have missed out on any other vital point. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hello Tushar, Sorry for the delay, was busy. Now, if you are following the system, you will see that death of father (with Krushna ayanaamsa) is in Saturn/Venus. july 1985 Father is 9th house, death of father is 8th from the 9th = 4th Venus is LOC and LOD for the 4th and has 31 points in the worksheet Main dasa lord is lord A or the Sun and Sun is in Saturn's nakshatra. So here we see the relationship between mahadasa lord and LOA changing job for the better was again in Venus antar (Mercury/Venus) in september 2000 Venus is house LOD and C for the 10th, she is also in D. Venus scores high agin for 10th and 11th. These events match with the chart so I suppose it's correct. I asked Krushna to have a look at this chart. You will also see that we have here again Mars in Capricorn for Libra asc. Here of course Mars has only 4 points and collects the points from Venus but nevertheless Mars exhalted in Capricorn will oppose the 7th house of marriage Hope you got it ?? Best regards Margarita Tushar wrote: > hello margarita > > according to sugession I have tried to findout any > major event of his life but there is not much. I could > find only two major events in his life. > > (1) He lost his father in July 1990 > (2) He changed his job with the change of city in > September 2000 and find considerable difference in job > satisfaction as well remuneration. > > rest part of his life does not contain any major > incidence of event > > I hope this may help > > regards, > > Tushar Dear Margarita, I just went through the chart. I think there is something not right. The death of father was not in Shani/Venus but in Shani/Rahu and in July 1990 and not July 1985. Change of Job was in Sept 2000 in Merc/Venus as you have said. Points in 12th are low i.e 11 and Shani is LOE and venus is its natural samdharmi so it may step in. So this move should be a happy move. Venus is LOD for 4th house so again eager to give 4th house things. Points in 5th house is high and so is 6th and so is 10th and 11th. So this event sort of fits.. but death of father.. I am not too sure.. Rahu represents Mars and Shani. Shani is LOE for 11th house.. so it should give life... so I am not too sure of this event.. however I may be wrong.. Still am not convinced of the accuracy of birth time. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Krushnaji, Margarita, Donna and list members, Margairta, thank you very much for writing this up I really appreciate it. I shall try to make this as simple as possible for the members and hopefully it will be of least effort for Donna. It will be nice though to add just simple diagrams or charts. I shall try to elucidate this thing further for the list members and Krushnaji please feel free to correct if I have not understood anything correctly which can be a possibility. Uptill now if we focus and understand the lesson we can predict the correct antra. There has been a lesson on narrowing down things further. In addition to this and if possible we can add this part to the existing lesson with a few diagrams or charts to demonstrate some important principles. Philosophy and approach to narrowing down to the proper 1/3rd part in the antra: --- Lords of D and E are always EAGER to give results. Lords of D and E are special in this system. Lord of D is 10th from the house under focus and Lord of E is the 6th house from the house under focus. So when they get an opportunity the try to give result quicky and on the double. We all know that Shani is the delay causing planet. Now also Guru is a delay causing planet. Guru can delay things due to it being slow moving planet. This was covered in the lesson for delay in marriage. A Specific law : ----------------- If the delay causing planet is also the lord of D or E and if in ITS antra its causing the event then the event will happen in the first 1/3rd part of its antra. Example scenario. ----------------- 1) Libra lagna, Shani in 5th in Aquarius. LOD is Capricorn. No Zeroes in SAV. Here assume that Shani is causing Full delay i.e. upto 27.5 years. So as per lesson so far if there was full delay for the event then event would take place in the LAST 1/3rd part or sector of the antra. Now if here for example for Marraige, Shani is causing full delay but Shani itself is giving result due to it being LOD then in Shanis antra the event will take place in the 1st 1/3rd part or sector of shanis antra. 2) Scenario 2 - Libra lagna, 1 Zero in SAV and Shani in 5th. In this scenario is similar to first one, except there is 1 zero in SAV. In this case, Shani due to the fact that its LOD will try to give the result in the 1st 1/3rd part of its antra BUT there is 1 zero in SAV to this may push the event to 2nd part or the 2nd 1/3rd sector in the antra OF LOD ONLY. 3) Scenario 3 - Libra lagna, 2 Zeroes in SAV and Shani in 5th. Again similar to scenario 2 but here there are 2 Zeroes in SAV so event will get pushed to 3rd 1/3rd sector. These things we must keep in mind when narrowing down to the proper 1/3rd sector. Another Concept --------------- Say for a particular planet points are low and its a period of difficulty or emmense struggle for a native. The after that antra another antra starts which is very good for all houses. Lets continue with the example of marraige. The antra in the past was very difficult overall and assume a new antra has started which is very good overall and can give the event. Then in such a case it takes time for the new antra to was out the old antras difficult period.. just like when one is sad and then one watches a comedy movie .. it takes some time to get into the "fun" mood and then start to laugh... In such a case give the event 2nd 1/3rd sector.. and leave the 1st 1/3rd sector for it to "kinda get in the mood phase". This part what I have written, Krushnaji can you please check this part and correct me if I had not understood you correctly. I request List members to look at their charts and verify the same. If they feel that their charts will help other list members learn please feel free to post the chart and the event with the proper date and we can see how these laws fit and if not then we can try to study the reason behind it. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , margarita lettens <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > > Hello Donna, > > I had a conversation with Ash where he explained the finesses about > delay. I thought it could be interesting to put this on the "files > section" so members who become interested can find it there in the future. > > > > When Saturn aspects houses A,B and C for an event, we know there is > full delay. > > Let's take an example Libra asc and Saturn in Aquarius, the 5^th house. > > (perhaps we could draw the picture here) > > Now this delay is modulated according to the following laws : > > But in this case Saturn is also LOD (lord of D) and eager to give results. > > If the event ( marriage) takes place in the delay causing planet and if > this planet is LOD or LOE, then the event will take place in the first > 1/3 part of the antar dasa > > > > Now imagine that there is 1 zero in the SAV table, then the delay will > be moved to the 2^nd part of the antar dasa. > > > > Suppose there are 2 zeros in the SAV table, then the delay will move to > the 3th part of the antar dasa. > > > > With this in mind we will be able to come much closer to the timing of > the event. > > > > Jupiter can also act as a delay planet because he is slow moving and can > aspect either one of the houses A, B or C or their lords. > > > > The same is true for the other planets. > > Suppose Venus is giving an avent. Venus is fast moving so the event is > going to happen in the 1^st part of the antar dasa. But 1 zero in the > SAV table will move the event to the 2^nd part and 2 zeros to the 3th part. > > > > It would be great if Ash could bring eventual corrections or more > explantation and if Donna then could put it in the files section after > having submitted it to Krushna to make sure everything is correct. Dear Philippe and List Members, There were some points that I had got confused which during my conversation with Krushnaji got clairifed and it made a lot of sense. I shall try to put down what I can think of so that its out here on the web. Based on this we can look at the charts that Philippe has given. Quality of Job -------------- This you can see through planet placement in the chart. What kind of profession ------------------------ 1) This you can see from 10th lords from Lagna, Sun and Moon and thier placements in Navamsa and its lords can show the inclination of the person. 2) Even planets in 10th house from lagna, sun and moon with high bindus their positions in Navamsa also can give the inclination. 3) DBCE points i.e. 3:6:10:11th house points to be seen. If they are in ascending order then business is indicated or high authority position like CEO. 3:6:10:11 in ascending order shows the grace of the Karak i.e. 1st house which deals with nature and personality. So in order for a person to do business he must have the personality, daring etc. 3 > 6 > 10 > 11 means good parakram or courage (3) more social status (6) more authority (10) and even more returns i.e. income (11) and this is for Karak i.e. house 1. Hence 3:6:10:11 shows the grace of House A which is lagna. 4) MOST IMPORTANTLY .. REFER TO LESSON ON OCCUPATION ANALYSIS FROM FILE SECTION. This is for timing. ------------------ Starting of a Job. As we know that starting of any Good event happens in the strongest significator or its samdharmi or LOD and LOE. 6th house is for Job. If you ask a question Why 6th house for Job ? The answer lies here. For everything we start with House A. Its the most important. House A as we call it Karak house controls the health of House B. So if we consider Job, it means starting of INCOME which is 11th house. So if we consider 11th house as B then House 6 becomes House A. So that is why we consider 6th house for INITIATING OF INCOME meaning Job. If you think more closely for ANY event house A controls the quantum and the overall health. If House A is weak for any reason then the overall Quality of House B suffers and even House D and E as they are special in this system as they are always eager to give results also indirectly become weak. Krushnaji had advised me to study House A very carefully and I guess thats why we start the scheme of ABCDE with the Karak house as first house to See and hence A. For TIMING we refer to worksheet and then decide. What kind of job etc we can see from planetary position. We should also keep this point in mind. So start of any job i.e starting of income we check stongest significator for 6th house or LOD or LOE or samdharmi to strongest significator. We also should consider Desha, Kaal, Paatra too just like finding a proper age for getting a job can be after 18 years or so.. or in some places lesser then 18.. my point being if the antra of a strong significator is runing at the age of 4 years old the kid cannot do a job.. so some common sense should be applied too...lol.. NOW AFTER U SEE THE STARTING OF JOB we then MOVE over to 5th house points. I asked Krushnaji, Why 5th house ? He replied that why did I select 6th from Job so I said cause its Karak for 11th house. Now he said after you get a job what do u get. I said Authority.. and then the answer was clear. Authority is 10th house and Karak for Authority was 5th house (being 8th from 10th house) in the same way 8th from 11th house (income) was 6th house. So if planet then has low points for 5th house then that could show ups and downs in job. You can then go in finer using Transits of Sun etc to narrow down details.. but for now its just high level to understand why we are using such houses as step 1. Also think of it this way, if House A "authorises" then House B event will take place. The more stronger is House A more higher "quantum" will the result of House B will be. Another thing we also need to see is the Points difference between 11th and 12th house in the worksheet for each Antra. If points of 11th are lower than 12th [NOT SAV BUT FOR EACH PLANET] then it means that during that ANTRA expenses will be more than Income. Also study 10th house similarly as compared to 11th and 12th and it will show the effort one puts in that antra for the income he receives........ THIS PART IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT. For example .. Higher is the degree (5th house for degree) then person will have more change to get a HIGHER AUTHORITY job (10th house). Krushnaji, can you please add your comments if I am confused about anything that I have written here. With this in mind we can take some charts and start to study for Job, Job Changes. So if List Members can share some charts with event dates we can see if it follows this chain of high and low points for 6th, 5th, and also look at 10th, 11th and 12th points as per the worksheet so see if someone changed jobs for better prospect etc. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Krushnaji and List Members, This was a chart that came to me from a list member. The question was "Why am I having cash flow difficulty from the past 3-4 years but it seems to be getting better ?" This is the data. I think a little rectification might be needed which I have not.. instead I am going to ask the list members to make an attempt to time the following. Data of the Native : March 8th, 1967 17:40 IST 26N17 73E04 India. 1) When did this person marry ? 2) He had 2 children 1 boy and 1 girl when were they conceived ? 3) Is this gentleman doing business or is in service ? 4) What is his profession related to ? 5) Why was he having cash flow problems for the past 4/5 years but seems to be improving now? Krushnaji, a few things need clarification on this chart. 1) I attempted this chart as a blind analysis, got the antra right for point 1 however did not get the correct 1/3rd sector right. 2) Got point 3 ok however point 2 was not very clear w.r.t first child birth being a boy. 4) Did not get the profession right. 5) Was not clear on point 5 and I specifically thought this chart might be good for studies for me as well as list members to see trends.. 6) The native has 1 zero point in 9th house so its not clear about children... A few more questions... I shall wait till list members attempt this chart. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash dear ash, attempt to work out timings. 1) marriage might hv taken place before 30--10--1993. guru/guru 2)if marriage has taken place as above 1st child before 30-10-1993. ( boy?) 2 nd child between 12 05 1996 to 18 08 1998. 3)might be doing service cum business. teaching profession--but subject might be related to ART. 4)financial difficulties (jup/ketu--jup/ven ) jupiter located in 12th house and lord of 5th house and 8th house. with regards, deepak Dear Deepak, Very good attempt. Can you please give reasoning and justification for these things so that list members understand. Can you also give a more specific answer for marriage ? Before 30/10/1993 is vague.. I am not gettign what system are you using. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, I'm making an attempt on the chart you gave. As for marriage, Venus is conjunct to Saturn and in Saturn's navamsa. It is aspected by Jupiter in rasi and navamsa although the aspect in rasi is negative. So I would say moderate delay (around 24 I guess for India). Rahu/Mars seems good because Rahu is samdharmi to venus NK and Mars is LOD for 7th house. The end of Mars' antra seems compatible with delay so it could be the beginning of 1991. As for children, Jupiter is NK and is in 12th house (A) with 6 points, so its mahadasha is good. It is LOE for XII with good score and in house A for V with more points so could give conception for first child. Mercury is LOD for V with acceptable score for XII and good score for V so I think Mercury's antra also gave a child. Now for job as III, VI, X, XI are in ascending order (though not strictly ascending) I think he could have his own business. Mercury and Sun are aspecting first house, this is often an indication for job linked to high technology, computers... We also find Venus (10th lord and 10th lord from Chandra lagna) and Mars (10th lord from Surya lagna) in Saturn's navamsa, which could denote technical ability. As for cash flow problems, I don't understand why the current antra (Moon) is bringing better results because it has low points for 2nd house. Mercury's antra didn't seem good (because Mercury is conjunct to first lord, 12th from II), nor Ketu samdharmi to Mars and Venus (which have low points for II), and Venus isn't better. As for Sun, it is first lord afflicting Mercury second lord by conjunction. Well, just an attempt... Best regards Philippe Dear Philippe, Its not just only an attempt but a brilliant one !!!!! You will realise why I said that once I give the answer. I shall wait for a bit more before others try to attempt before I give the answer. Care to go into a little more details i.e. get the right 1/3rd sector for marriage and child birth (conception) now that you have selected the antras... There is also a very important factor for the reason why the native faced financial difficulty and I know you know it, you are just over looking it. Hint Follow Shanis transit and look at SAV points... Very very Good... Looking forward to your response. You should try to select the proper 1/3rd sector and make an attempt in that way reasoning and understanding will get cleared for the procedure. Hint for marriage, Check where Mars is placed w.r.t. ownership of house, yes its LOD but where is it placed w.r.t. House D ??? Think over these points.... I think you can get it right on the dot.. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, thank you for your feed-back. I'm not comfortable yet with the 1/3rd portions of antras but I'll make a try. As for financial difficulties, I think I see your point: from April 1998 to June 2000 Saturn was transiting Aries where it gets 0 point. Aries is in ninth house ie house A for II=B (financial questions). It shouldn't have been good. So maybe it improved when Saturn's transit in Aries ended. Now trying to narrow down the timing of events, as for marriage, Mars is in Saturn's navamsa but aspected by Jupiter. So it could give 2nd 1/3rd portion and it would be earlier as I thought. For first child's conception, Jupiter is slow moving but in sign and navamsa of Moon which is fast so maybe first 1/3rd portion?? For second child, Mercury is in Saturn's sign and navamsa but is LOD for V so maybe 2nd 1/3rd portion ? I don't know if my reasoning is relevant nor if I used the indications you gave me properly. Anyway, it's fine to do such exercises. Thanks and best regards Philippe Dear Philippe, One more thing, check which planet is giving 0 to 9th house. And the thing is that it will affect the karaktwa of the planet thats giving 0 i.e. no support from that planet. If Shani is giving 0 points to 9th house then in the chart check Shani hold karaktwa for which house. Those house will not help... About 1/3rd part, consider the follwing, 1) Check what the delay is if its moderate then 2nd 1/3rd sector, if its early then 1st 1/3rd sector and full then last 1/3rd sector. 2) After checkign point 1 then check the planet giving result. If that planet is LOD or LOE then its very eager to give result. So it will try to give immediately as antra starts. 3) After that check if there are any zeroes. If 1 zero then even if its LOD or LOE so ideally it would be 1st 1/3rd sector but now it will move to 2nd 1/3rd sector... if there are 2 zeroes then it will move to 3rd 1/3rd sector. There may be slight variations of these rules.. but lets go with these for now and other variations will come out with more practice. Its not that complicated. So make an attempt with these rules and see. Practice will only makes things clear. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear List Members, Can members who have had multiple job changes or major financial ups and downs or something like huge hike in pay due to change of job or may have lost a lot of wealth or income suddenly for some reason or the other. Can List Members come forward with such charts if you have any with the following data. 1) Date Of Birth 2) Place of Birth 3) Time of Birth 4) Country of Birth and DST if applicable. 5) Job - From and through dates OR 5) Financial ups or downs - From dates and Through dates. 6) Overall feeling of good fortune or bad like for example "Someone may experience this for about 15 years of good / bad fortune" Some Past events to verify the chart a) Marriage date b) Date of birth of children c) Sickness / Accidents if any d) Death of any relative e) Misc dates if you can think of any that may help. I would like to study such charts in detail and discuss them on the list using Ashtakvarg System. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear List Members, I would like to submit my chart for this analysis. I am a real estate salesperson and have been trying to use ashtakavarga system to analyze when sales come. I have dates of when contracts were written and dates when I was paid. My information is as follows. Date of birth: June 1, 1966 Place of birth: Kansas City, MO Time Zone 6 Lat: 39 N 06 Lon 94 W 34 Time of Birth: 2:11 am CST United States Started selling Real Estate in February of 2000 until now I receive large sums of money but very sporadically. Past Events Marriage date: 10-20-1990 Birth of Children: 3-16-1984 4-12-1989 2-2-1992 Had a major accident on 12-9-1995. Suicide of my half-brother on 1-1-1996 Dates when I have written contracts this year are as follows: 5-10-2003 2-11-2003 3-28-2003 5-30-2003 6-10-2003 The year of 2002. I had very little income, this year has been better but still up and down. Thank you Stacey Dear Stacy, I just casted your chart and tried to match the events of your marriage and child birth. Except the first child none of the events match. I am getting your marriage in Moons antra that has -1 points. Also its aspecting house B so itself has no power to give results. First child conception in in Merc antra i.e. 4th house lord who is LOE so that fits. 2nd child's conception july 88. Now if conception happend in Venus antra i.e. very end then Venus is LOD for 11th house so conception is possible if it happened in Suns antra then Sun has only 6 points in worksheet for 11th house so venus antra is ok.. but sun though karak but hmm.. 3rd child's conception is may 1991 i.e. in Mars antra. Mars again has only 7 points for 11th house and is aspecting House A for conception house i.e. 11th house as B so 6th is A and mars aspects it. How confident are you of your time of birth Stacy ? Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Stacey, You were married in 1990 but you had children in 1984/03. Now If I consider *that* as your marriage date then it falls in Mercury's antra and that has highest points for 7th house and it fits. I guess things are more straight forward in India.. as compared to the west... I guess.. I am just not getting proper reasoning for 3rd child. Krushnaji and Margarita, can you confirm if Mars being LOD for 5th house can it give conception for a Female chart ??? 1) DBCE points are in ascending order so Business is indicated. 2) 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Sun, Shani.. (does it point to real estate ??) 3) lagna, sun and moon in 2 spots in navamsa, drekkhan and trimsamsa in sign of shani so good intellegence. 4) High points in SAV for 1st house. You started your business in Venus antra. Using Krushnas Ayanamsa around the time when mahadasha changed so karaktwa of Shani getting over and that of Mercury starting. So idea must have come during that time to do something on own. At that time MErcury antra was running and Mercury is with 5 bindus and in 3rd house so its very eager to give results for 6th and 10th i.e. (4th and 8th fom itself as its in House D of 6th house with high bindus and House E of 10th with 5 binds). So due to this fact you might have kept your job. Points in Mercury for 10th , 11th and 12th hosue are 17,15 and 4. MErcury is LOE for 11th and LOD for 10th so eager to give power and Income and at that time expense might have also been low so more savings. Then came Ketu antra and ketu is samdharmi to Guru and Mars. Again This antra will have mixed results. Mars is 2nd lord so Ketu antra will also have stress, unessasory tention or tooth aches. If you notice the following 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4 Mars 8 8 4 Guru 6 18 10 So here Ketu represents Mars and Guru so there will be on an average much lower results in "quantum" as compared to Mercury antra that might have been fantastic..... can u confirm the same please.. Now Since 2000/12 thru 2003/20 the native is running Antra of Venus. Venus is in 2nd house with High points. This will bring stress as being placed in 2nd house with high points. Such people with planets in 2nd with high points it might cause false accuasation also. Since it has high points it will boost 11th house but Oppose 5th house so native will have to work harder in this antra but income will be there.. Antra 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4 ----------------------------- Mars 8 8 4 Guru 6 18 10 ----------------------------- Venus 19 18 10 So compared to Ketu antra it will definitely be better at the same time person may also have to work harder than Ketu antra for the income. Expenses will be about the same. For 11th house (income) high planets getting high points are Mercury, Guru and Venus. Ketu represents Guru and Rahu represents Venus. So when sun transits House and Sign of these grahas better results for "income" can be expected. Points of Venus for 11th house Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 6 8 7 15 18 18 5 -- -- -- Based on that lets study the dates keeping in mind that venus antra is running. 1)5-10-2003 On 10/5 i.e May 10th Sun was transitting Sign and constellation of Venus and Mars. (Venus has 18 points) 2) 11/2/2003 i.e Suns transit into Shani and Mars (does not fit) however if it were between Feb 20th and March 4th then sun would have transitted Shani and Rahu and Rahu = Venus... so again that would fit.... [Can you confirm about this contract was there any revision or re-writing ??] 3) 28/3/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Jupiter and Saturn (Guru has high points) 4) 30/5/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Sun (Venus has high points) 5) 10/6/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Mars. (Venus has high points) So in this way you can check how Venus is appearing and Guru is appearing... going forward when Sun transits Gemini or Virgo also some better results as Mercury also has higher points... If you study your lifes income trends then you will notice that whenever sun transitted Signs or Nakshatra of Mercury, Guru, Venus and Constellations of Rahu and Ketu you might have got someing positive for income... On the same token if you also notice difficult times for income can be when Sun transits Sign of Sun, Moon, Mars and Saturn and excluding constellations of Guru, Mercury, Venus, Rahu and Ketu. There is a lesson on probable date finder in the file section you can download the same and find out the probable dates... and times for achieving success. Assuming your chart is correct this can show you how to approach this. Now another thing you can check... is this 1)5-10-2003 on 10/5/2003 total points were 198. 2) 11/2/2003 total points were 198. 3) 28/3/2003 total points were 222. So higher level of stress as antra of 2nd lord is running 4) 30/5/2003 total points were 187 so much more relaxed but felt that u had lesser control... 5) 10/6/2003 total points were 191.. so things were upbeat as compared to 30th of May but more stress too..... Can you please confirm the same... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash I have tried to answer your questions in Caps below. Stacey Hoffmann ashsam73 [ashsam73 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] Friday, August 22, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Request for Members - Submit Charts for Job/Financial Analysis Dear Stacey, You were married in 1990 but you had children in 1984/03. Now If I consider *that* as your marriage date then it falls in Mercury's antra and that has highest points for 7th house and it fits. I guess things are more straight forward in India.. as compared to the west... I guess.. YES I LEFT HOME AT THE AGE OF 16 DUE TO PROBLEMS WITH FATHER. I am just not getting proper reasoning for 3rd child. Krushnaji and Margarita, can you confirm if Mars being LOD for 5th house can it give conception for a Female chart ??? IF MARS AND VENUS HAVE EXCHANGED PLACES, CAN MARS BE SANDHARMI FOR VENUS? 1) DBCE points are in ascending order so Business is indicated. 2) 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Sun, Shani.. (does it point to real estate ??) 3) lagna, sun and moon in 2 spots in navamsa, drekkhan and trimsamsa in sign of shani so good intellegence. 4) High points in SAV for 1st house. You started your business in Venus antra. Using Krushnas Ayanamsa around the time when mahadasha changed so karaktwa of Shani getting over and that of Mercury starting. So idea must have come during that time to do something on own. At that time MErcury antra was running and Mercury is with 5 bindus and in 3rd house so its very eager to give results for 6th and 10th i.e. (4th and 8th fom itself as its in House D of 6th house with high bindus and House E of 10th with 5 binds). So due to this fact you might have kept your job. Points in Mercury for 10th , 11th and 12th hosue are 17,15 and 4. MErcury is LOE for 11th and LOD for 10th so eager to give power and Income and at that time expense might have also been low so more savings. YES I DID KEEP MY JOB FOR A WHILE AND EXPENSES WERE LOW AT THIS POINT. Then came Ketu antra and ketu is samdharmi to Guru and Mars. Again This antra will have mixed results. Mars is 2nd lord so Ketu antra will also have stress, unessasory tention or tooth aches. If you notice the following 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4 Mars 8 8 4 Guru 6 18 10 So here Ketu represents Mars and Guru so there will be on an average much lower results in "quantum" as compared to Mercury antra that might have been fantastic..... can u confirm the same please.. YES, EXACTLY RIGHT. STRESS WAS HIGHER, EXPENSES WENT WAY UP, AND BUSINESS WENT DOWN. Now Since 2000/12 thru 2003/20 the native is running Antra of Venus. Venus is in 2nd house with High points. This will bring stress as being placed in 2nd house with high points. Such people with planets in 2nd with high points it might cause false accuasation also. Since it has high points it will boost 11th house but Oppose 5th house so native will have to work harder in this antra but income will be there.. Antra 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4 ----------------------------- Mars 8 8 4 Guru 6 18 10 ----------------------------- Venus 19 18 10 So compared to Ketu antra it will definitely be better at the same time person may also have to work harder than Ketu antra for the income. Expenses will be about the same. For 11th house (income) high planets getting high points are Mercury, Guru and Venus. Ketu represents Guru and Rahu represents Venus. So when sun transits House and Sign of these grahas better results for "income" can be expected. Points of Venus for 11th house Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 6 8 7 15 18 18 5 -- -- -- Based on that lets study the dates keeping in mind that venus antra is running. 1)5-10-2003 On 10/5 i.e May 10th Sun was transitting Sign and constellation of Venus and Mars. (Venus has 18 points) 2) 11/2/2003 i.e Suns transit into Shani and Mars (does not fit) however if it were between Feb 20th and March 4th then sun would have transitted Shani and Rahu and Rahu = Venus... so again that would fit.... [Can you confirm about this contract was there any revision or re-writing ??] FINAL DATE ON THIS CONTRACT WAS REACHED FEB. 13TH 3) 28/3/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Jupiter and Saturn (Guru has high points) 4) 30/5/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Sun (Venus has high points) 5) 10/6/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Mars. (Venus has high points) So in this way you can check how Venus is appearing and Guru is appearing... going forward when Sun transits Gemini or Virgo also some better results as Mercury also has higher points... If you study your lifes income trends then you will notice that whenever sun transitted Signs or Nakshatra of Mercury, Guru, Venus and Constellations of Rahu and Ketu you might have got someing positive for income... On the same token if you also notice difficult times for income can be when Sun transits Sign of Sun, Moon, Mars and Saturn and excluding constellations of Guru, Mercury, Venus, Rahu and Ketu. There is a lesson on probable date finder in the file section you can download the same and find out the probable dates... and times for achieving success. I HAVE ONLY DISCOVERED THE LIST 2 WEEKS AGO AND AM STILL GOING THROUGH THE LESSONS. I HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THIS LESSON YET. Assuming your chart is correct this can show you how to approach this. THIS IS THE BIRTH TIME ON MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE. I HAVE NOT RECTIFIED IT YET BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IT NEEDS RECTIFICATION. Now another thing you can check... is this 1)5-10-2003 on 10/5/2003 total points were 198. 2) 11/2/2003 total points were 198. 3) 28/3/2003 total points were 222. So higher level of stress as antra of 2nd lord is running 4) 30/5/2003 total points were 187 so much more relaxed but felt that u had lesser control... 5) 10/6/2003 total points were 191.. so things were upbeat as compared to 30th of May but more stress too..... YES THE LEVELS OF STRESS YOU MENTION ON EACH OF THESE IS CORRECT. Can you please confirm the same... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , "Stacey Hoffmann" <spaceyhoff@e...> wrote: > Dear List Members, > I would like to submit my chart for this analysis. I am a real estate > salesperson and have been trying to use ashtakavarga system to analyze > when sales come. I have dates of when contracts were written and dates > when I was paid. My information is as follows. > Date of birth: June 1, 1966 > Place of birth: Kansas City, MO Time Zone 6 Lat: 39 N 06 Lon 94 W 34 > Time of Birth: 2:11 am CST > United States > > Started selling Real Estate in February of 2000 until now > > I receive large sums of money but very sporadically. > > Past Events > Marriage date: 10-20-1990 > > Birth of Children: > 3-16-1984 > 4-12-1989 > 2-2-1992 > > Had a major accident on 12-9-1995. > Suicide of my half-brother on 1-1-1996 > Dates when I have written contracts this year are as follows: > 5-10-2003 > 2-11-2003 > 3-28-2003 > 5-30-2003 > 6-10-2003 > The year of 2002. I had very little income, this year has been better > but still up and down. > Thank you > Stacey Hello Stacey, Welome to the list. I saw Ash did a good analysis about your chart. As you are learning, i thought it interesting to point out some particularities in your chart that are important in the system 1) Saturn has 6 points in the 1st, quite exceptional (i mean having 6 points) 2) Mars has 8 points in the 1st house 3) As there are 3 planets in your 3th house they boost your first because they all give points to the 11th from their position, so your 1st house becomes strong which gives a stubborn nature, you know what you want and are a fighter 4) check sub periods of mars 1975,1991, they were probably more difficult because Mars is lord of the 2nd 5) Moon is with mars and in mars navamsa, so more daring and quick decisions 6) lords of 1st and 9th have 2/12 relationship; this indicates the troublesome relationship with your father 2/12 relationship means "separation" 7) relationship between 1st and 3th are 3:11; this meaans better relationship between you and mother or more understanding 8) as points in the 1st are higher than in the 7th, you tend to dominate in a relationship unless your husband also has high points in his first house Well these were just a few thoughts Hope to read you often of the list Good luck Margarita Hello Ash, Stacey, 3° child born 2nd february 1992 in Saturn/Mars. Conception was also in Saturn/Mars. I think for female chart we should look at both houses 11th and 5th, but also at 12th and at the father's chart. Mars is LOD for the 12th and for the 5th. Mars has 13 points in the WS for the 5th but Mars can also act for samdharmi for Mercury who is a strong planet for childbirth in this chart. I think this is why it gave results. All contracts stated where in Saturn/Venus. Venus has good points for 3th, 6th and 11th houses, so it seems that contracts signid in 2003 were more profitable than those in 2002 In 2002 Jupiter was in Gemini (5p)and in Cancer (4p); Saturn was mostly in Taurus(4p) and by the end of the year in Gemini(2p). From this I deduce that the beginning of 2002 was more favorable than the end of the year concerning contracts. But as this is a new topic, I'm not too sure about that. but it seems that 2003 is not a bad year. Note that the sub period is changing by the end of october 2003. Best regards Margarita hi group, I have been a silent member watching/reading the postings for the past one year or so. I post my birth chart for analysis: DOB: 29.04.1957 TOB: 00.20.00 (midnight of 28th April) POB: Bangalore Asc: Capri, Sun, Moon, Venus, Merc®, ketu: Aries Mars: Gemini Jupiter®: Leo Rahu: Libra Saturn®: Scorpio I was hit by thunderbolt like financial scam in April/May 2002 which engulfed many of the co-op banks in Maharashtra/Gujarat of Western India. I was running Mars Dasha - Saturn bhukti when I was tossed for a six. I could find no logical/rational explanation for being the victim and resorted to looking for other explanations such as astro phenomena etc. Can the enlightended group members go through the chart and clarify whether the thunderbolt was foretold and if I could have minimised the impact if known in advance. thanx and regards narayan Dear Narayan, I went through the chart. 1) The antra u were running during April/May 2002 was that of Mars/Shani. 2) Check Shanis points. It has weak points i.e. less than 12 for the following houses. 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12th house. For 5th house it has 12 points so border line and can go either way. Here Shani is LOD for 5th and 4th house so its trying to give better results for 5th house so there will be ups and downs in terms of continuity of job. 3) Now Most important. At the time of April/May 2002, Shani was transitting Taurus in your chart thats 5th house and Moon is giving 0 points to it. So is it surprising that you faced troubles. At the same time Guru was transitting Gemini and in your chart its giving 4 points. So total of Guru + Shani = 4 points only. 4) Shani is also the lord of 2nd house so you will face a lot of stress and worries. This is aggrivated with Shanis transit over house with 0 points. 5) Using this system its very clear. By the way just to clarify Birth Time 1) Were you married during 1983/06 thru 1983/09. i.e. Suns antra. 2) Possible conception of children during 1984/07 and 1985/06 i.e antra of Sun. Using krushnas ayanamsa. 3) Other possiblities are in Shanis antra i.e. 1986/04 thru 1987/03 (LOD for 5th house) and Venus (LOE) i.e. 1988/06 thru 1989/06. Can you confirm the same, Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Narayan, The possiblilty of releif comes after March 25-30th 2003. This will start to look little better. Worries would get little better after 12/2002 but much more difference will be felt after March 25-30th 2003 but still. If you had a job it will get smoother/more stability after end March 2003. Relationship with wife that was also under strain will get much better and you will get family happiness and maybe some luxury like car or home too... Please confirm, Cheers !!! Ash Hello Narayam, Welcome , I see you casted the chart yourself but didn't use our ayanamsa. With Krushna's ayanamsa Jupiter goes to 0°12 Virgo and will receive sight of Mars with -7 points. ; this affects the quality of Jupiter and Jupiter is FK and NK for the 5th = speculation; he's also NK for the 2nd, house of wealth and the FK for the 8th house, also related to money. This just to point out how the ayanamsa can change the outlook of the chart . I wanted to point out that you take quick and daring decisions and act without too much hindsight; this makes you more vulnerable to losses. This trait is seen through the fact that the Moon is in Mars sign and Ketu nakshatra. Moon is also in Mars navamsa. Look how many times your Moon turns up in Mars sign in the div charts !! April/May 2002 was indeed the last part of Mars/saturn. Saturn as lord of the 2nd house (12th from the 3th) is considered as less good for health and general well being. Saturn can act for itself but also as natural samdharmi to Venus Venus is the 12th lord for the 11th (income)and also LOC for the 12th(losses) If you look at the points for Venus in the WS you will see that it gives more losses than gains. But let's focus only on Saturn to keep things simple. First let's look at the points for Saturn in the WS; its points for income ar rather low, so it cannot give favorable results. Look at the transits of Jup and Sat. for april and may 2002 These transits happen mostly in Taurus, house with 19 points only; this is low indeed Jupiter was in Gemini (more precisely in nakshatra of rahu)were it has 4 points, Saturn was in Taurus (more precisely in nakshatra of Moon) were it has 2 points, Let's only consider points of Jup and Sat 4 + 2 = 6; points should at least be 8 to give favorable results "if" the points of the sub planet in the WS are more more than 12 which is really a minimul. Note that the Moon has 0 points for this house Mars entered Taurus in april Sun, Venus,Mercury, all passed through this sign and the Moon did that twice. To conclcude think also about the following : You had Saturn transiting in Aries(2000), especially over de Moon and in 2002 were still under influence of this Saturn transit. Look how many points Jupiter (previous sub) has (in WS) for the 1st house(-3) and points of Saturn for the 1st (9). If we consider the 1st as "general well being" these points indicate much stress and fatigue so perhaps much risks or bad judgment during rahu and jupiter sub was responsible for losses during Saturn sub. Any feed back is welcome, we're all still learning, so don't take this as "ultimate truth" Best regards Margarita Dear Ash and Margarita, Thank you for both for wonderful analysis and kudos to you both for the prompt reply. Referring to the analysis of Margarita, I confirm that I take very quick and spontaneous decisions (regarding money as also investments) and many times regret later. Regarding ups and downs in job during the period in question, many times I thought of change of job, but presently am sticking to the present job. Referring to the analysis of Ash, I confirm that situation eased after Dec. 2002 and and became much smoother after March 2003. But I wish to add that the ease of tension is more of mental attitude, but on the ground level the chances of recovery of investment is still remote. Yes, I again confirm that domestic bliss has improved considerably after March 2003. I have car since 1998 and yes, I have made investment for construction of new house during the period, but havent moved so far. Regarding sun's antra for checking the correctness of birth time, the period 6/83 to 9/83 is not correct as I didnt have any marriage or girlfriend during that period. But the period 7/84 to 6/88 is right on the target as I had a serious love affair and had physical relationship, but it didnt result in conception. To give the correct date I will say that the love affair started on or about 25 Feb 85 and lasted till Dec. 1995 or thereabout. I did eventually get married on 26.08.2001 (yes, very late marriage) and had birth of a baby daughter on 24.07.2002. My father passed away in the last week of Oct. 1989 (on ekadashi day, 4 days prior to diwali). So I request the group, particularly Ash and Margarita to explore the chart further and analyse the same. With greetings and regards narayan Dear Narayan, Thank you for your feeback. I studied the dates you gave and all the dates did fit with the system. 1) I had made a error in typing .. the second period in which your relationship started was Rahu and Not Sun. The antra period give was right. Rahu is in the 10th which is LOE for 5th (love) and Rahu represents Venus (LOE for 5th) and Jupiter (LOE) for 12th house or eager to give bed pleasures.. so it fits as per what you say. Being in House E for 5th house it can also give childbirth. Again both charts have to be considered and stopping child birth is in ones hands. 2) The period I gave for ease of tention is *for mental period* because of Shanis transit. Shani is 2nd lord, transitting over a house with 0 points. A 0 in a house reduces results of that house. There could be blot on your name during that period and full period of worry and tention. All this aggrivated by transit of Saturn who holds karakatwa for 6th and 7th house matters so bank money related (6th house) or partnerships etc.. 5th house is also of Speculaiton as Margarita correctly pointed out.. and a Zero there is reducing that. So once Shani moves out of 5th and when Shanis antra gets over you will feel more relief and mentally. 3) Again if you see your marriage using this system it happened in Mars/Guru and Guru is LOE for 7th house so it fits properly. Guru cannot give conception as he is weak for 5th house if you see the points in the worksheet. 4) As soon as Shanis antra kicked in in Mars man conception happened. Shani is LOD for 5th house i.e. lord of 2nd house. So this also fits. 5) About home also see the worksheet and see the points that Mercury is getting. I beleive that will give the answer. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hello Narayan, Ash covered all topics nicely. Did you notice that Jupiter is strong for certain aspects of relationship.(having an affait and marriage came under jupiter) There was just the death of the father that wasn't covered. According the ayanamsa we use this was during Moon/Moon For this event we look at the 8th from the 9th = 4th house. You see Moon has 5 points for that house and Karak is Mars who is samdharmi to mainlord Moon; this also fits nicely Moon, according to points in the WS, can give results Best regards Margarita Hi Ash and Margarita, I went through the lessons and couldnt resist making about a prediction about my chart for change of job and/or change of place. I surmise I am due for change of job (for the better!!) and residence during January/February 2004. Can u please confirm?? thanx narayan z1e1b1r1a wrote: > > Hello Narayan, First let's get the sub periods right, at least then we are talking about the same time period. Mars/Ketu will start on 18 november 2003 and Mars/Venus will start 15th of april 2004. For the moment you are still in Mars/Mercury. If you casted the chart with another ayanamsa, you will have other dates Ketu will act for Mars, Sun and Jupiter. Ketu will be in house D for the 7th and in house E for the 11th. For job related questions we look at the 6th house, for authority at the 10th , for income at the 11th. For change in residence, it should be the 9th house here as you are not going abroad. Note all these houses are taken as "B" . Could me tell you about your reasoning so I could follow better Best regards Margarita Dear Narayan, Please use proper Ayanamsa as per this system then our antras will match then we can all be on the same page. Also please cast the worksheet and then you will be able to understand what we are saying about why certain things happen in certain antras only and from there we can go and narrow it down to pin point dates. Its a long process but lets go one step at a time. 1) For Job Change there is not just one House we must see. 6th house we take as B for job. 6th house holds karaktwa for 11th house. So when we say to time someone getting first job then we place House B = 6th house. Generally highest points for 6th house or LOD or LOE or planets in House D or E i.e. 11th of 3rd house with High points i.e. > 4 bindus are more eager to give job in their antra. 2) After you get job then you shift focus to 5th house. Why ? The reason is because 5th house holds karakatwas for 10th house i.e. Authority. Here is there are low points then person may have changes in job ... but then how to see if job is there or not ... 3) For that we check Income and for that we check points in 11th house and for authority again we check points of 10th house as B. So now if there is change of job and no income could mean that person might be unemployed during that time... but again there are so many things one has to see w.r.t. which other planets are samdharmis. For example if Say Venus antra is running then we know that Venus is Natural Samdhamrmi to Shani, similarly for Mars and Sun and Mars and Moon. These as per basic Vedic Astrology if u study keenly are Yogakaraks for each others house i.e Venus is Yogakarak planet for Shani's ascendents i.e. CApricorn and Aquarius and For Cancer and Leo Its Mars these all thigns you can get from lessons.... and all these are used together with points for timing. 4) For expenses you can check 12th house. Compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th for the antra running can show how much effort you need to put for income and in that antra how much expense you will have. If for that antra points of 12th are higher then there might be more expenses than income. In your chart now check closely. For current Antra. For 4th house Mercury is LOE so it does not matter how many points Mercury has it is eager to give results for 4th house. So its not surpirse you might have gotten some luxuries. It also has highest points for 4th house. Now also see points for 5th house for Mercury. Its giving only 5 points in the worksheet. Means that there can be change in job. Now check points of 10th, 11th and 12th. Here you can see points of 10th are 7, 11th = 17 and 12th = 20. So here this is showing me that you will might not have high authority (high authority means more work and more stress) here points are low, the COMPARED TO THAT you r getting very good income. Points are 17 much higher than 12 and for 12th house points are even higher 20 points. So from that I can deduct that maybe you bought a house, change in job, and high expense maybe because of house so you might spend money behind that. Now again MErcury is LOD for 12th house so its expenses for better things i.e. you will get more comfort as 12th house is for moksha and also for pleasures so being LOD or LOE it will give u happiness and pleasure .... Now you can go ahead and do the same for KEtu period. Ketu is samdharmi to Mars and Sun. For the 4th house Mars is giving 1 bindus and Sun is giving 3 bindus. So mars will act more like Sun. Now Sun is LOD for 11th hosue so again better income and better for 3rd house so more parakram. Now compare ketu antra with mercury. In mercury you had higher expenses but in ketu antra expenses will fall down, income will be much better than you made in Mercury antra so more savings. Please make your chart with Krushnas ayanamsa, Cast your worksheet and try to match the events. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hi! A friend wants to know when she is likely to get married. Her birth details are: 26th Oct 1974, 12:40noon, New Delhi, India Any analysis will be greatly appreciated. Warm regards Dear Mita, Your friends lagna is at 2Cp22. A difference of about 10 mins changes the lagna. Want to clarify a few things to ascertain the lagna. 1) Spending trend. With Cap 12th SAV points are more than 11th so her spending trend is more than savings 2) Is Allergic to authorative figure ? Does not like being told what to do or does not respond well to authority ? 6th lord in 10th 3) Is your friend sutbborn, my way or the high way kinda attitude ? And is she very confident in everything she does and egoistic ? 36 bindus in lagna v/s 26 bindus in lagna capricorn 4) Did your friend fall in love during 1992/10 thru 1994/02 5) Your friend must be very brilliant and have a photographic memory ? 6) If your friend was in a relationship it might have broken in 1994/02 thru 1995/01 this is using capricorn lagna in Mars antra. Low points for 5th and borderline for 12th i.e 12 points. Some other characteristics irrsepective of lagna. 1) Venus is spoilt. Its less than 3 degrees from Sun. Good thing is that this venus is not aspected by Shani and it also receives a check from Guru via its aspect. Can you confirm please. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hi, Ash. I am now aware that when Venus is > 43* from Sun, Guru with Venus can check it. However, how does this work in the case where Venus is < 3* from Sun? As the native loses interest in sex/marriage, are you saying that if Guru is conjunct/aspecting such a Venus - then it helps out by improving Venus's "impotence" due to Sun? So Jupiter with a Combust Venus means Native is not completely disinterested in sex/marriage? Thanks - Sateesh. ======== Dear Sateesh.... hmm.. ..good point... You are right. I am just going to recap what we had discussed on chat. Venus to Sun distance > 43 degrees will make venus go out of the grap of Sun. If Saturn aspects it, it makes this worst. If Shani also aspects a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa then this may deny marriage or cause multiple relations. Now the planet that can check such a venus is Guru. If Venus is with Guru then Guru can check Venus. i.e. such a person will not forget his responsibilities towards his wife and family. On the other hand Venus < 3 degrees looses its venusian qualities. If its retrogate then it may have some power, if its direct and < 3 degrees then it looses all power. Such a person looses interest in "sex", "sensual things" and other happy happy things that venus tends to shower a person with hmm .. I hope you get the drift. In the first case Guru can check Venus from going astray and even if say Venus shows its quality then it may be with sanction. In 2nd case the native itself looses the "venusian" qualities and so Guru might try to stop it from going to other extremes. Like if a person is married then instead of becoming bramachary one may have "sex" for producing children. Guru is also putrakarak. NK for child birth in male chart. Ruler of 12th house in kalpurush chart. In both cases mind you venus is spoilt and it does not change venus however Guru "checks" venus. I hope Margarita and Krushnaji can correct my understanding in regards to this topic. Good quesetion. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash, Many thanks - it makes it clearer now. It would be interesting to see any "living" examples of < 3* Venus helped by Jupiter. No rush on this though :-) . Cheers - Sateesh. Hello, Look at the 3th house (12th from the 4th) for permanent relocation and also to the 12th house from lagna. Planets with low points in WS for the 12th house from lagna indicate "away from home" and planets with more points for the 112th from lagna can indicate "going back home". Try to look at this together with other factors lakine for ex : When 4th lord is in the 3th = less family happiness, so this "could" indicate somebody who moves often also. The whole chart must be judged of course; these are only some factors to look at Best regards Margarita kpkanitkar wrote Hello Margarita Thanks for reply I have one chart 10 Dec 1968 11.52 am Bombay India Here Sat is lord of lagna and 12th which is in 2nd and retro while 4th lord Venus is in 12th. sat interesting have 0 points in 2nd house where sat is present. That the reason this question is. And Venus Which is 4th lord is in 12th and is in 12th house and Venus ashtakvarga points are 4 each in 3rd and 12th house. Does venus has more role or Sat in such case? Regards KPK Dear KPK, Zero given by any planet means less happiness for that house. It can mean that when Shani transitted Pisces this native might have had problems with authority and job. Did this native have a change of job or did he face any problems for his job or did he loose the job after Feb 20th 1996. It can also mean that no cooperation from subordinates or a blot on name. That period might have been with lots of stress and worries.. during the 2.5 years when shani transitted over pisces. Please confirm, Thanks, Cheers !!! Dear KPK and list members, I think I realised what I overlooked. Thanks for your response. Your answer made it clear. Let me explain. When shani transits over a house with low points yes the native faces problems. Those problems come via the house that shani holds karaktwa for. Now Shani holds karaktwa for 7th house and 8th house in the natives chart. So problems will come via that area. So you said the native faced problems in the area or no co-operation for marriage 7th house and also via 8th house matters for the 2nd house which is for family, wealth, karak for marriage etc. Sorry about that. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Dadhi, All 3 are important for finding profession. It is not whichever is stronger of the 3 but ALL 3. Take your chart for example. 1) 10th lord from lagna is Aquarius. Its lord is Shani. Now Shani is placed in Scorpio navamsa and its lord is Mars. So we get Mars. 2) 10th lord from Sun is Cancer. Its lord Moon is placed in navamsa of Guru. So we get Guru. 3) 10th house from Moon is Pisces. Lord of Pisces is Guru who is placed in navasma of Gemini so again Mercury. So your profession or inclination will be for profession linked to Mars, Guru and Mercury. The lesson on finding occupation has more details like finding the intellegence of a person. A butcher and an autoposy surgeon both deal with similar things but to be an autopsy surgeon one needs more qualification and intellegence and more delicate hands etc. So we need to see lagna, sun and moon in sectors of shani in navamsa, drekkhana and trimsamsa to judge the intellegence. This is also very important. Also we might need to check DBCE points (SAV) i.e. 3,6,10 and 11 poinst and points in lagna to check the confidence of the person etc etc..... Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash > Dear Dadhi, > All 3 are important for finding profession. It is not whichever is > stronger of the 3 but ALL 3. OK. But if it is so for KAS, it is somewhat different from standard jyotish shastras... > The lesson on finding occupation has more details like finding the > intellegence of a person. A butcher and an autoposy surgeon both > deal with similar things but to be an autopsy surgeon one needs more > qualification and intellegence and more delicate hands etc. So we > need to see lagna, sun and moon in sectors of shani in navamsa, > drekkhana and trimsamsa to judge the intellegence. This is also very > important. Regarding intelligence, it would be nice that some additional explanation is given. I do not understand what exactly one has to do with Lg, Su, and Mo in sectors of Shani. Good grasping power, inteligence, memory etc. is required everywhere, in many professions. Let say someone is a movie actor like Depardieu from France. I think he is somewhat known there. He does not have Lg, Mo or Su in any sector of Shani (for Navamsha, Drekhana and Trimshamsha), but mostly in Mars sector. But he is an actor. He has to remember a lot of text given to him. Now, since he does not have either Lg, Mo or Su in sectors of Shani - is he less inteligent ? I do not know... maybe... . but does not seem so. Let say that a person believes in God and Lg, Mo and Su are prominent in sectors of Jupiter (as explained in lesson). And that person might be very inteligent, and not have 2 or 3 Lg, Mo or Su in sectors of Shani. How to explain this ? All the best, Dadhi Selection of houses for Degree and post graduate: If one gets a degree that increases the status of the person then 6th and 10th along with 5th house and their lords have to be studied as 6th house increases the status and 10th for profession this is from lagna. 5th house is for degree and 9th for advanced learning and spiritual learning. But before you dwelve into the degree, the intellegence of the person has to be gauged as success and failure would depend on it. The karak for intellegence is Saturn and if lagna lord, Sun and Moon are in the Saturnian sign in Navamsa, Drekkhana and Trimsamsa then the person can be very intellegent. 4th house is for knowlege and 5th for degree. For an institute , which does not give any degree, 12th house and 9th hosue would have to be studied for spirituality and higher learning. Sometimes we find that a person may be very intellegent but the dasa running at that point might now be favourable at all, though a person is inclined and wants to do say for example engineering but during the maturity of grade 12 marks and at the time of admission if the dasa running is not favourable then he may not get admission into a college, this can also be studied from Navamsa lords of 10th house from Sun, lagna and moon have to be studied and their respective strengths. What may be good education or level of education in one coutry may be different from the other, and this is also to be studied depending on the place one is in. This have been rewritten by ash from my answer in the group, I liked it, so if filed will be useful for other members. So sending in the group as a lesson. Dear Donna,Please rewrite it if required and Please put it in file section, krushna Hello Dadhi, I understand your confusion about "intelligence". I think we must use our good common sense and not focus exactly on "words" that can have many different meanings for different people who use them. Intelligence is also one of these terms and what is qualified as being intelligent here is the capacity to "grasp" things, to understand them, to control them. So when either asc Sun or Moon lands up in navamsa, drekkana or trimsamsa of saturn, the person has a good fotographic memory and "grasps" things quickly. Saturn is also a symbol of organised knowledge while Jupiter represents more knowledge that comes from inheritance from ancestors knowledge but not needing big personal effort to understand, it's mostly repeated. There are other forms of intelligence like "intuition" if they can help other intellectual faculties, they are not considered under Saturn. I hope I'm making things clear. Another topic perhaps interesting to know in studying this system is the following. One needs good basics knowledge of Vedic Astrology, something you seem to master quite well. This system is only for "timing" certain events and see "when" they can happen. If points in WS are high, the event can happen but this does not mean that the event will be happy. A strong sixth lord giving results will not give "happy" results for all houses even with high points. So conception or childbirth could be indicated but it could be a mentally retarded child for example. Or if somebody marries in a period with high points this does not meaan that the marriage will be happy. I had some problems to keep those two things separate in the beginning but I'm sure you will manage because when I read your mails your questions indicate that you are on the right track. Good luck and best regards Margarita Dear Krushnaji, Margarita, Dadhi and list members, DBCE points if in ascending order show the grace of karak. So if we are checking 3:6:10:11 points from lagna it means we are checking Grace of karak who is lagna. So may show the personality of the preson so in this chase if they are in ascending order it shows a person who can take daring, is confident and such persons can do their own business. Now you check them also from Moon and Sun and you can get an idea. So if 2 are in zigzag and if 1 is in ascending order then more towards service. There is more towards it and I am still thinking on this part. There are 3 types of business 1) Continous rolling of money like say a restaurant. [LAGNA] 2) Contract type work so one gets money after work finished [MOON] 3) Fixed Salary where one gets paid on a particular day. [sUN] Now if you are studying for a fixed income then you can check poitns of DBCE from Sun. For contract income you can check DBCE from moon and for continious income you can check from lagna. But overall results must be seen from Lagna. i.e 3:6:10:11 from lagna. Good and bad period should be considered from Lagna and Worksheet. We also need to consider the sign placement of Sun and moon if they are in a friends sign of enemies sign. Basically we need to study the status of each. Now for any finaicial problems the transit of Saturn and Guru are very important. To go into to detail on why you can study the kalpurush chart. If in a malefic is transitting a house with 0 points then more problems and where the problem is coming from can be studied from the karaktwa of the transitting malefic planet. We also have to study the SAV points where Sun, Moon and Lagna have. Krushnaji and Margarita, please feel free to correct my understanding. And add to what I have written if I have missed out something. I hope that helps, Thanking you, Cheers !!! Hello Dadhi, Thanks for the chart of BV Raman. I think this chart is interesting even if I don't know if the TOB has not been "adapted" for certain purposes. I saw, as you pointed out, how often Sun,Moon or Asc land up in Saturn's in the important divisional charts.It surely must have helped him a lot in mastering astrology. I think this chart is also interesting to illustrate nicely the so famous "samdharmi" principle and how planets behave in this particular case in their 4:10 relationship. Look at Mars(3p) in 7the and Jupiter (5p) in 10th. Mars is going to collect points from Jupiter and thus gets strength from him. Mars is aspecting Jupiter with +5 points and make Jupiter strong;so both planets become very strong in the chart. Without going into multiple details the positions in kendras and high MF (multiplication factor) for all planets except Venus is also an interesting factor. Best regards Margarita Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to my Briefcase ] Dear Krushna, Ash and members, I would like to present one interesting chart: Male, 23.09.2003. / 21:03 / 16 E 00, 45 N 50 / +1 As you see, the boy is still very small, but has the Down Syndrom. I tried to analyse some doshas in his chart according to KAS. Many doshas are present, but I tried to focus on his intelligence and personality. Please correct me if something is wrong. 1. worksheet points for planets are mostly quite LOW. Except for 2nd and 7th house, most of the planets do not cooperate so much for other houses. It seems that he will not have a normal life. 2. he is born in Ketu Dasha, indicating some suffering due to previous karma. The following Dashas are also not so good. 3. Lagna lord is debilitated and in the sign with lowest points (SAV) together with Su who has less than average bindus (BAV). 4. there is no DBCE ascending order from any house. 5. Saturn is very malefic, because of his aspect on Ju, Me and Mo (Shani has 5 bindus). Saturn aspect on Mo (mind; communication abilities as 3rd lord), Ju (karaka for lagna, as 8th lord) and Me (lord of 2nd and 5th, speach and inteligence). 6. Aditionally, 12th lord Ma (5 bindus in BAV) also badly aspects Ju, Me and Mo ... and Mars also aspects Su (lord of the 4th and karaka for 9th house) and Ve. If my attempt is right, his intelligence and future are not so bright. The boy is the son of my friend. Naturally, he is worried about the future of his son. What do you all think, is there any possibility for some kind of normal life, in some period of time (Dasha) ? OTOH, it seems that the boy could be an intelligent one. He has Lg and Mo in three sectors of Shani and maybe, he should be encouraged to learn something. Any suggestions? All the best, Dadhi Dear Krushnaji, Dadhi and list members, I did some research on the web w.r.t. down syndrome. Its a genetic disorder and do with chromosome abnormality. I do not have much knowledge in the field of medical astrology. Maybe others who have more knowledge can comment on the same. Maybe Krushnaji can shed some light and give some guidance on how are genetic abnormalities seen or studied. Cheers !!! Ash Hello Dadhi, Thank you for the chart. We did similar chart on down's syndrome and Krushna gave a mail about it dated on 6th january 2002, I'm sure you can study the chart i posted and his answer. I have no time to go into the chart right now but at first sight 3th lord is in the 4th house and moon is in nakshatra of ketu. Relationship between 1st and 5th lords are 2:12. These are factors that indicate "mentally retarded child". I hope this helps you on the way. I will study this chart and make the worksheet when i have some free moment. Thanks and best regards Margarita Dear Margarita and Dadhi, Thanks Margarita that was a good lead. I went through the post given by Krushnaji. I noticed the following things. 1) Venus is in 12th from its own house 2) 12th from 4th house is in 4th house 3) 1 zero due to Moon in 5th house. Moon incidentlally rules 3rd house who holds karaktwas for 8th house. 4) Points in the WS for 6th house are all very low. Even Ju and Moon who are LoD and LoE have less points. So recovery from illness might be more difficult. 5) As per your direction and Krushnajis mail, 3rd lord is in 4th so reducing 4th house happiness, Lord of 5th house goes into 12th from 5th i.e. 4th house so reduces 5th house happiness and also coupled with that 5th has a zero given by moon (karak for 8th). 6) Overall all points in WS are weak for pretty much all the houses and by all planets. 7) Points in 2nd in WS are stronger so the child may get support from family. 8) Moon is in nak of Ketu. 9) 6th lord is in 5th house and samdharmi to sun, moon, mercury aspecting Mars in navamsa. 10) Mars overall strength of Mars is weak for each and every house in WS so again he is NK for lagna and weak again. 11) Sa is in 2nd house with more points and Me i.e. 2nd lord is SD to Venus, Moon and Jupiter so in antra of all these planets there will be lot of stress and worries. These were some points that I could see. Will wait for Margaritas response. Thanks for posting the chart. Cheers !!! Ash Hello Ash, Thanks for the input. Here I just tried to point out some configurations that indicate a mentally retarded person and these factors should always be checked before analysing any chart because usually people don't mention these states and we can be led on the wrong track. Down's syndrome is not an illness; it's just another way of "being" so I don't think factors about illness or recovery should be checked. One other thing Krushna mentioned I think is that in the father's chart Saturn probably is in the 10th house, but I'm not 100% sure of that. Dadhi you could check that because it's your friend's child. Best regards Margarita > One other thing Krushna mentioned I think is that in the father's > chart Saturn probably is in the 10th house, but I'm not 100% sure of > that. Dadhi you could check that because it's your friend's child. Father's data: 04 Feb 1962 / 07:25 AM / 16E00, 45N50 / +1 (see chart below). Saturn is not in 10th house. All planets are in the 1st house (!?).... Dear Ash, Margarita, Dadhi, and List members, For Male chart refer the navmansha chart, Sa is in 10th. Navamansha and Rashi chart have equal status. (take birth time 7:15) In Female chart 11th house should also be refered for Child birth. In female chart Mars is in 8th house and Rahu is in 11th. This combination indicates cesarean, and more pron for a mentally retarded child. (Sag lg) krushna Dear Krushna, Thank you for this nice points. I have one dilemma regarding mother. It seems to me strange that she got baby in Saturn bhukti. Saturn is in the house D, but with 0 bindus, and Saturn is not samdharmi to Moon or Jupiter (lords of D and E). I think that it was stated somewhere that planets in D or E should have high bindus or be significators for an event. I would be pleased if you or someone else can explain this situation. All the best, Dadhi Dear Dadhi, For child birth we study the conception time which falls in Guru antra in the last 1/3rd sector. Guru has become strong due to Mars i.e Mars gives its points to Guru and Guru controls it. Guru is also LoE for 11th house and is situated with LoD and is Naturak Karak. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash I agree that it becomes a case study. My friend is willing to cooperate. Some details from his life: - His was actually born at 07:15, not 07:25 (but it does not change the position of lagna). - He left school in 1979 and travelled around Europe - 0n July 1st 1979 he got employed as a warehouseman. - His grandfather died on 20th February 1985. He loved his grandfather very much. - He worked till 1990 in the same company, and after that he went to another company as truck driver. - In March 1992 he got fired, and on 1st May 1992 he went to war. He came back on 1st December 1992. - He worked in the new company as warehouseman and delivery-man from 1st March 1993 till 1st September 2003 with a little interruption : he went to war on 5th August 1995 and came back exactly after one month later, on 5th of September. - In 1999 he went to India. He has been interested in spiritual life since 1979. - He fell in love with his future wife and they started dating on 1st November 2001. He got married to her on 26th January 2002. - From 1st of September 2003 he has been working as a commercial clerk in a new company. - His grandmother died on 4th October 2003. - He has big phobia: claustrophobia (elevator, bus and tram jams etc.) - His wealth is below the average. > Maybe we can do this chart as a blind chart analysis. > > With Guidance of Krushnaji I am sure we all will get to learn > something new as each charts is unique. It would be nice if Krushna has time to help. > Also if possible can you get the chart of wife. She was born on 25th May 1976. at 21:00, 16E00, 45N50 / +1 (However, her TOB should be rectified, since lagna could be either in Sg or Sc +/- few minutes). > I beleive that statistics that I read on the web for Down Syndrome > only 15% data pointed to this syndrome coming from father. > So it would also be better to study mothers chart to see if at the > time of conception if that nakshatra was afflicted by Rahu and/or > Mars. I got some additional info about the mother: - her parents got divorced on November 1978. - half-sister was born on 18.11.1983., and half-brother on 26.5.1985. - grandfather died on 13.12.1995. - graduated in biology on 18.6.2003. - delivered the baby through Cesarean section All the best, Dadhi Dear Dadhi, Here is my attempt. Basic Observations. 1) Here 6th lord is touching all planets. 2) 2nd lord is in 12th from itself. 3) 6th lord touching all planets i.e. all planets are SD to 6th lord. 4) All planets are SD to 2nd lord. 5) Venus is giving 0 to 7th house. First job in july 1979 in AD of Moon. Moon has 15 points for 6th house. Also Moon is LoD for 10th house. Moon also is having 20 points for 11th house so triggering income. Death of Grandfather 20th feb 1985 in Rahu/Saturn. Saturn has 13 points for 12th house and is SD to Ve and Me. Mahadasha is of 7th lord or Rahu is more like Moon. March 92 - lost job, went to war and got another job after all in Rahu/Sun. Sun has low points for 10th/5th house but high for 6th so quicky go another job. Marriage happened on 26th Jan 2002. There is considerable delay. Venus to sun distance is only 1.8, its with Shani and shani is with sun and moon and shani i..e karak is in 12th from 2nd and venus giving 0 bindus to 7th house. Now marriage happened in Mercury antra who is 6th lord and in last sector. Decision might have been made in the 2nd sector itself w.r.t marriage. Mercury has the lowest points for 7th house and is LoD for 12th house. When marriages happenen in lowest significator or 6th lord then there is some problems or the other in marriage or delayed/problems in child birth etc. In his wifes chart there are 3 zeroes in the chart and guru is in libra in navamsa. Jupiter is LoD and is getting power from Mars who is LoE. There is delay and Guru is checking delay due to Shani. So Marriage happened as soon as Guru's antra kicked in. Guru has highest points in WS for each and every house. It also has the highest points for 11th house so will give conception. Its pretty late now.. I must get some rest. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Manu, Brilliant question. I also had been thinking on this question. Krushnaji and Margarita, can you please go through this email and point out my (mis)understandings and feel free to point out anything in addition I might have missed or overlooked. I am still in the thought process so I may also need more guidance. I shall share with you what I have thought and understood thus far. It is said that when planets TRANSIT through a house with HIGH SAV it gives good results. This is one place where this is used. So take a chart and see where planets are today and then you see the natal chart and add all the points where planets are Transitting Today. When you do that what have you done ? Indirectly you have considerd so many things. SAV is the strength that each planet and lagna give to each house. Then you check where planets are Transitting today then those BENEFIC bindus (SAV) are picked up where a particular planet is transitting. So that is step 1. So when you add up SAV points (as per lesson) and you get more than 196 points (28 average bindus in a house for 7 planets 28 x 7 = 196) So if daily points are more than 197 then Generally thigns go your way so you will feel happy / elated. Now we add another layer. Say if antra of 2nd lord is running and one is getting - ASSUME 210 points then person will have more "worries" as 2nd lord's antra gives stress. So more points here might show that. Then we can add another layer. We then get into each planet and study them. Say if Shani is transitting a house with 0 points then again more points (SAV Total) for the day may show more stress. If Shani at the same time is transitting a house 12th from itself so based on the chart you can find out what house Shani is FK for and one can make finer deductions that way. If Say lagna is Scorpio and Mars at that time is Transitting 12th house (12th from lagna) and overall points for the day are say 176 then person might feel sick on that day or might have headache or some flavour for ill health. For Sco lagna, Karak for 6th (health) is lagna and Mars is Transitting a house 12th from lagna so it looses status. So in this way each planet w.r.t chart must be checked. For checking Financial Status, Transit of Guru and Shani is very very important. Shani and Guru rules 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th house in Kal purush chart. If a planet is giving good points for 11th house in Worksheet however if Guru + Shani points total is less than 8 then here antra is helping but Transits are not so if a person is doing business his payment might get stuckup or not proper flow of money etc might be faced. Sometimes you notice some persons might loose their jobs however Transit of Guru + Shani points are more than 8 then in such cases he can still get some help from somewhere wherein he might be able to fulfill his daily needs. Where help can come, you can go deeper into the system but we can leave that for now. This is one of the primary reasons when Shani transitts a house with 0 points a person faces financial problems because UNLESS Guru transitts a house where he is giving 8 points only then can total points be 8. Otherwise Transits wont help and person faces financial crunch. So many people ask, when I can repay my debt. Here good antra for income along with good Transits of Guru and Shani are important. If that happens then he gets help from all angles and can repay his / her debt. For people getting into the mood if u know what I mean, here Transit of Venus must be studied closely. If Antra is good, and daily points (SAV total is good) along with Transitting Venus through a house with more than 4 bindus might help. For seeing mood for the day, I think this question you have asked in your mail, you can check Study moon and its status. IF moon is transitting Gemini and at the same time daily points are low then you might not feel pretty good in your mind. Might feel confused or might not be able to think clearly. Once a friend of mine I had told in 3 days he might not feel well. He said that for long time he had not fallen sick or and was in perfect health. 3rd day came along and he got a severe headache and a came down with a flu. Here I had checked the status of Mars along with some other things. Sun is the spirit. Life force. You can check the status of Sun like that. In such a way you can go deeper and deeper using same principles that we have learnt in the lessons. The real power is in SAV. Just the basic on what each house points in SAV shows and how we get each bindu (favourable yog) we do that unknowingly so we cover a vast portion of Vedic Astrology including all the contras. Brilliant question. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Manu, Worksheet is what you use in the end to select the right significator that can furnish the event. After you select the proper planet then you can narrow it down further using the proper 1/3rd sector and Suns transit. This all is given in lesson. But before you reach this step you have to study the chart first and judge the status of each planet. When I say status, I mean in detail on the bindus it gets, sign placment, navamsa placment, in the house of friend/enemy, its samdharmis, its div chart status, 4:10, influence of 6th lord, influence of 12th from B (house under focus), planets in 12th from own house, planet placment in a house (say if LoB is placed in 2nd house from B, so it goes to dhan sthan so status is enhanced so such way if planet goes to 10th house so in upchaya so better etc etc). Even before you reach that you also need to study the nature of the person, his intellegence, how a person will react to an event for example if a person has say more than 35 points in lagna in SAV then person might be very adament and ego centric. He might be having the attitude of "my way or the high way" attitude and might not be adjustive person. The psychology of such a person might be very different as compared to a person with say 26 bindus in lagna. Again their intellegence factors is very important. Also we need to study say other factors like blessings of a guru/father, of mother, nav pancham yogs etc to see things. With all that you get an idea of the person first. So now lets assemble these things and start with the last thing that I wrote above first. 1) So study the chart - get an idea of the person in short psychology 2) Study the status of each and every planet from all angles. 3) Study how the event will be happy / unhappy. 4) Then use worksheet to pin point the event. So say if u are studying marriage, then for example if lagna/7th lords are in 6:8, points for 5th (assume male chart) are low in WS, Venus is in krittika and its distance to sun is > 43 deg and its asp by Shani and shani asp a luminiary at the same time say if guru is in 0-3deg20 in Libra rasi and say lagna SAV is 37 and intellegence is moderate. And to add to all that say if Venus and Mars are together and its aspected by Guru. So if u see such thigns (based on the lessons) you can get inclination that this chart is not of happy marriage and if there is it might be multiple or not long lasting or only limiting to pleasures. So then if the question asked is "When will I get married ?" Here study first if marriage is possible (lesson on denial of marriage). If indications are there and MARRIAGE IS UNHAPPY then what ANTRA will you select from worksheet ? Here we go by logic that IF IT WERE AN HAPPY EVENT IT WOULD TAKE PLACE IN HIGHEST SIGNIFICATOR. UNHAPPY EVENTS HAPPEN IN LOWEST SIGNIFICATOR. So here what will you pick ? Cheers !!! Ash Dear Manu, Planets in 4:10 are called Mutual Coworkers which is given in texts that are available. It means planest that help each other. Can exchange / replace the other planet if the planet is not able to give results due to any reason like if its having its dristi on primary upchayas or maybe its period has just gotten over as there was delay etc so in that case its samdharmi can step forward to "Help". When we cast SAV from BAV it does not cover this special relationship. So we consider this seperately in the worksheet. This is the highest level samdharmi. But we need to study this relation closely. So in worksheet if you study closely you first Consider BASIC strength i.e. A+B+C points. With that you get what the planet strength is for that house on its own without considering any 4:10, aspects etc. Consider 10th place as the Boss and 4th from it as the Subordinate. So say 4th house is Boss and 7th house is Subbordinate or 10th house is boss and lagna is subordinate or 5th is boss and 8th is subordinate etc etc. After establishing the relationship of Boss-Subordinate we then focus on planet. Say if a planet is resident in the Boss house and there is a planet in the Subordinate house. Let us establish the nature of planet as strict or lienent. If a planet is with more points i.e. > 4 then he is a noble planet and if a planet is with less bindus < 4 he is strict. Now let us combine the above and get an understanding. If Boss is strict (planet in 10th is < 4 bindus) then Planet in the subordinate will have to listen to the boss. Here he gives the points to the Boss planet (in the WS). Now the question becons is ? 1) What is the Subordinate is also a culprit (< 4 bindus) 2) What is the Boss is a noble man (> 4 bindus) and the subordinate is culprit (< 4 bindus) 3) What if Boss is strict (< 4 bindus) and Subordinate is noble man (> 4 bindus) 4) What if Boss is strict (< 4 bindus) and Subordinate is also culprit but with more points than boss. i.e Say if Boss = 2 bindus and Subordinate is with 3 bindus. 5) What is Boss is strict (< 4 bindus) and subordinate is also culprit (< 4) however with lesser point than Boss. i.e. Say if Boss = 3 bindus and Subordinate = 2 bindus. Here is where you start to get in deeper. Basic law is if Planet is in 10th with less points then it will control the planet in the 4th. 4th will give its points. Now solving above scenarios 1) Subordinate will have to give it points to Boss but he is still culprit so he will do so but with opposition. He will help the boss but in malefic deeds. 2)If Boss is noble man and subordinate is culprit here, Boss CANNOT control the subordinate. Here if Subordinate gets a chance he will OPPOSE the boss and cause mischief. Here no matter what the Boss is still Boss so culprit will act as though he is supporting the boss but at last minute might back out his support. So here he will not support and cause opposition. 3) Best situation is when Boss is strict and a he has a noble and trust worthy subordinate. Here Subordinate will go out his way to help the boss out. This is when Subordinate planet has > 4 bindus and Boss is strict < 4 bindus. Here Subordinate will help the boss to give good results without any opposition. 4) Here Both Boss = 2 bindus and Subordinate = 3 bindus. Here both are malefic. Boss is the bigger "Don" here. So here you have a situation wherein 2 culprits or malefics are working helping each other scratching each others back. But both will help each other in malefic deeds. [in vedic astrology combination of Mars and Saturn in 4:10 is not considered good as generally both have less than 4 bindus and what happens is that here you get 2 natural malefics working helping each other cause more havoc in a chart]. In our system we say a planet is malefic if the planet has < 4 binds and a benefic if the planet has > 4 bindus. 5) Here Boss = 3 and Subordinate = 2. Here again both are malefic. So Subordinate will give its points the Boss but will also OPPOSE the boss if it gets chance as the subordinate is even more malefic than that Boss. My suggestion is study the flow of worksheet. You will get an understanding on the SEQUENCE of the flow and try to understand what is happening. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash , "Manu Batura" <manubatura> wrote: > Hello Ash and List Members, > > That was very instructive. thank you. I will try to practice a few > horoscopes. > > I had one more doubt. Is there any logical basis for 4:10 theory? I > understood the reasoning behind Upachayas. For instance, > if 'children' is the event, house B is 5th. A is 12 which is for > mating and is a precondition. C is house 9 and the reason which is to > continue our Vansh by means of grandchildren. It expands our family > (house 2/house D). And it brings about a change of state for our > responsiblity (house 10/house E). > > This is a beautiful relationship between houses. So, naturally we > should expect some such relation for 4:10 theory of samdharmis too. > Is there any such relation? > > The only thing I can think of is a bit crude: > > Since, 4th house represents mother, any planet placed in 4th from > another planet gives strength to the planet in 10th from it. Kindly > excuse me if I totally missed the point. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu Dear Manu, Dadhi and list members, If you all have any chart with proper birth time and known events then please list them. Then you can practice the basics and find out why certain things happened at such and such time. That will make learning on real charts and more fun and meaning ful. Like that you should solve some charts and then once you start to get a proper approach and get stronger in fundamentals then we can start to take more blind charts. Then you will get more and more confidence. Stronger the basics more will be the clarity. Some of the questions that most people ask 1) Health 2) Job - a) When will I get job ? b) When will I get promotion ? c) Layoffs ? d) Bonus ? e) Stress non cooperation at work 3) Income / Finance a) Why do I have debt ? b) How will my such and such period will be for income ? c) Financial Crunch / Crises d) Best periods / Favourable periods for income e) When will one be able to repay debt 4) Marriage a) Marriage happened but no happiness why ? b) Why is there delay in marriage ? c) When will one Marry ? d) Seperation e) Multiple Marriages f) Timing of Happy marriages g) Timing of Unhappy marriages 5) Children a) Trying for children but no sucess why ? b) Delayed in childbirth c) When will one have a child ? d) Will the child be Male/Female/Twins ? e) Ceasearean birth ? f) Miscarrages why ? 6) Court Cases - Legal Matters 7) House / Home / Car / Luxuries a) When will one be able to buy a house 8) Career / Education a) Inclination to a career b) Intellegence of a person c) Knowledge/degree/postgraduate d) Travelling abroad for education e) Scholarhips 9) Service / Business a) Are there indications for business ? If you observe closely you will see that most people ask such / these questions. If you are able to answer these questions you will be able to help a lot of people. Cheers !!! Ash Hello Ash and List members, In lesson 21, Vyavasaya Jataka (Occupation), Step four for the sample horoscope states that Me and Sa have good points for all 12 houses as per the worksheet. Does this mean that we have to construct 12 worksheets with each house as House B to determine the occupation planets. That is too much work, isn't it? Is my understanding correct? I don't think so. Can you please explain the procedure of step 4 in more detail. Also I was analyzing a horoscope and I found that hs10 and hs11 from lagna have 28, 29 points in SAV and hs10 and hs11 from Mo have 24 and 37. So, what do we predict?: 1. Less effort, more earnings, or, 2. More effort, less earnings. It will be a nice idea to analyse horoscope as exercise problems. I am always for this technique. Ash do you have any good horoscopes for us. I shall try and ask my friends for their horoscopes. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, Please consider the latitude and long. The place is not Bombay. sorry about the confusion. March 8, 1967 17.50 IST 26n17, 73E04 Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash and members, Here is my attempt... Below is the chart, both D-1 and D-9. +--------------+ |Ve Sa |Ra | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Su MeR | |JuR | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| D-1 |-----------| | | |Lg | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | |Mo |Ma Ke | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ +--------------+ | Ke |MeR |Su | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | |JuR | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| D-9 |-----------| | Ve Ma | | | | | | | | | | Mo Lg | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | |Sa Ra | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ > Chart data: male born 8th of march 1967 at 17h50 in Bombay > Zone 5.30 73E4 – 26N17 -ayanamsa 22:23:5 > > Question : > > 1. When did the native marry ? House A is Virgo, aspected by Ve (badly, because Ve has more points) and Sa (positively, because Sa has low points). However, Sa aspects house A, but there is no delay because the aspect of Ju (this rule is mentioned in one text). Karaka of A is Me, situated in Saturn's house, house B. Venus is not far away from Su, not in bad nakshatra, but it is with 6th lord (Sa). That is not so good. Fortunately, Ve is strong and not too close to Saturn. Saturn aspects in D-9 are not related to ABC houses, so no delay. Using KAS, it seems that native got married in Rahu dasha when he was 19-21 years old. Rahu acts like Mars (LoD and also FK for 2nd and 9th houses) and Ve (karaka for marriage). Bhukti should be Ve or Su or Mo. Su and Mo more likely, because Mo is LoE and Su is placed in B. Both are weak in WS, but Mo slightly... > 2. When did conception of his children occur (native has one male and > one female child) ? 5th house rules children in male chart. 9th house is house C and 12th lord is karaka, as the lord of house A. Jupiter ( NK ) is situated in house A with more points. Both Jupiter and FK Moon are weak in WS (btw, most of planets). LoD and LoE are strong in WS. 5th house is aspected by Rahu and Saturn. Rahu afflicts it, and Saturn aspect is good. According to the rules, no zero points should be in 9th, and here we have zero point. I do not know what to do with it........ this person has children. According to the rules, DBCE points are in increasing order and female child should be first. But, to tell you sincerely, I do not know how to find conception time using KAS. I do not know the rules. > 3. Has this person his own business or has he a job related to > "service" Points DBCE from 6th (as B) are very good, ascending (not zig-zag) for own business. His confidence is good. He can save some money. > 4. Why did the native face troubles (cash-flow) since 1999 > and is the situation improving now ? Saturn gives zero points for Aries, and from/during 1999 Saturn was there. So, bad luck and hardships. Regarding situation now, he is in Ma Bhukti, and Ma is strong in WS only for four houses, 4,7,11 and 12th. If we look at 11th as gains, situation should be better these days. Ju in transit is in good place where he has 6 points, Saturn so so... but situation seems to be better. All the best, Dadhi Dear Dadhi, Let me first Congratulate you on your attempt and answer. You have a natural knack for financial astrology. You pointed out exactly with WS and Transit of Shani. I will write in more detail on this chart explaning each event in detail. Let me also congratulate you on observing the zero point in the 9th house and being quizzed on what it meant. You clearly found out that there was not delay due to Shani in this chart. This is correct. Margarita has pointed out that we check Shanis aspect on house ABC in Rasi only and Lords of LoA, LoB and LoC in Navamsa and Rashi. In any case now you know this. There is additional delay due to that 1 zero point. This delay is over and above delay due to shani which in this case shani is not causing delay. So just small delay due to 1 zero point. We check distance of Venus to Sun and not Saturn. Shani enhances the bad qualities of Venus. You have raised an interesting question on why there was child birth despite a zero in 9th. Here let me point out a few things. A zero in 9th house or 8th house shows some deficiency in those areas. Here this person has the blessings of his Guru or Father. This is a special case. Here Self is Lagna and Guru/Father is 9th house. Look at the lords of Lagna/9th lords. They are in Nav- Pancham or 5:9 relation. This can also be checked in Navamsa as Rasi and Navamsa have equal status. Here its due to this fact that the delay causing and deficiency to dissipate. So person has child birth and will find himself lucky. Now for Financial part you were right on target. Here is something more I would like to add. Shani and Guru own last 4 houses of Kal purush chart. Here their transits are very important when you are studying finanicial astrology. Here Transit points of both Shani + Guru in the place where they are transitting must be atleast 8 and more. So generally when Shani transits a house with 0 points then unless Guru transits a house with 8 bindus their total will be LESS THAN 8. This is very important when studying finance. We should practice this as there are other parts to this when will come out when we solve more and more charts. But I am glad that you picked up the problem area and very correctly pointed out why the native felt a financial crunch. As soon as Shani moved out of Aries and Guru and Shani points totaled when to more than 8 the native started to find more ease in the financial area and things have begun improving. There is more to write but these were some points I found in your analysis. Very good attempt. With more practice you can pin point the event. You nearly zeroed in on the marriage antra and were right on spotting the financial problem area and this chart was tricky for that 1 zero point which you spotted so u were on the right track. Congratz !!! Cheers !!! Ash Hello Ash and List Members, Here is my attempt... The person does not seem to be very intelligent, hence he married. Just kidding! Well actually, I think his marriage took place in the period from 10/27/1990 to 12/3/1992 when {ju, ju} was in effect. This is based on the master worksheet with the following final values. Ju 17 Ma 13 Me 13 Mo 11 Su 10 Sa 3 Ve 1 Ju is also placed in E. I used Sanjay's worksheet. There seems to be a minor defect. In sheets H1 to H12, Cells D30-J30 incorrectly add the ashtakavarga points rather than 5. Hence, ju's points turn out to be 18 rather than 17 in the sheet. The other two transit planets are Ma and Me. However, since Ma gets only 9 points for 2nd house, I do not take its effect for transit. Me gets 18 points for house 2. Hence, transit planets are Ju and Me. To narrow down the time, I used punarvasu in gemini for sun's transit, the former ruled by Ju and latter by Me. Su was transitting Gem, Punarvasu from 7/5/1990 to 7/15/1990, 1991 and 1992. Why would he marry when there were rains near Mumbai??? (Incase he did get married where he was born.) Since, Saturn causes full delay in the chart, the marriage may be likely in the last section of time. i.e. 7/6/1992 to 7/15/1992 when he was 25. Fairly ok time for Indian male marriage. For conception, we consider the first subperiod of strongest significator for childbirth, i.e. Me with 18 points. So it may have happened in {Ju, Me} dasha from 6/3/1995 to 8/27/1997. I don't know how to narrow down the time. Since the sarva points for hs3, hs6, hs10, hs11 are in straight order being 29, 31, 31, 35, the native should be doing business with success. Also, it seems that his business might be related to working at night time due to points in hs4, hs5, hs6 and hs7 being high. In 1999, {Ju, Ve} was in effect. Both have only 2 points in master worksheet for Hs2! Hence, the cash flow problem. Actually I am just guessing for this one. I don't know how else to find the answer. Well, there can be two types of defects in the above analysis, first there might be some calculation mistakes since, I recently added support for dashas and Krushna's ayanamsa to my app. And secondly there can be a lack of understanding on my part. That's it. Thanks for your patience. Regards, Manu Dear Manu, Brilliant Analysis. Here are some points 1) You have picked up the marriage antra perfectly. The marriage did happen in Jupiter antra. So Congratz !!! 2) The worksheet is proper. If a planet has more points than 5 then we add those points as that would give proper picture. Both the worksheets are proper. 3) You are right, the native is doing business. 4) You are also right about the antra of the child birth. Congratz !!! 5) Financial astrology part I have answered in more detail to Dadhi. 6) You have the worksheet and 11th is for income. Transit of Guru and Shani are very important. These should give you a proper picture. Only 1 thing I wanted to point out was the fact that there is no full delay so marriage should have occured in 2nd sector however here lagna/9th are in 5:9 so the native has blessings of Guru so first sector can give. Very nice attempt. Here are the dates 1) Marriage date : 24th November 1991. 2) First child is male, born in November 1992 (conception about feb.1992) =Jup./Jup. 3) Second child is female born in July 1996 (conception in oct/nov 1995) = Jup./Merc. 4) Native is doing business 5) Cash flow problems due to Sa + Ju transit and Antra. Margarita has done a detailed analysis and write up on this chart and once Krushnaji approves it we will try to put it up in the file section. It is a very detailed analysis. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Sateesh, Manu, Dadhi, Puneet and List Members, Sateesh has shared his chart with list members. Apr 15,1973 Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 Hounslow, England Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 Lagna using Krushna's ayanamsa - 28:56 Virgo - and Virgo rises in Navamsa too To practice financial astrology can you study his chart and just overall at antra level and say how his Shani, Venus, Sun antras were in terms of Work, Income, Job, Expenses. Hint : Look at WS and compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th (effort, income, expenses) , 6th, (job) and change of job (5th). How do you think his next antra that is about to start which is Moon will be ? Just a high level antar dasha analysis. This is to demonstrate and bring out the technique on how powerful WS is where you can see results at a glance. Hopefully Sateesh can give us feedback on your analysis directly. Cheers !!! Ash Hello Sateesh, Ash and List Members, Here is my attempt... SAV for 10th 11th and 12th are 26, 36, 26. The return you get as compared to your effort is quite high. Also, your expenses are constrained allowing you to save a lot of money. Su seems to be the important occupation planet in your chart since it is the lord of the navamsa house where 10th lord from lagna, sun as well as moon in rasi are situated in navamsa. Hence, your job might be related to position of authority which requires wisdom of approach due to Jupiter. 5th and 6th points are 29, 37. Also strength for the 5th house indicate you will change jobs frequently. hs11 strengths indicate that all planets favour a good flow of income to your pocket. Beleive me Sateesh, you seem to be blessed by Goddess Laxmi! Antras of Su, Ve Sa help you gear forward in your professional field. Antra of Sa might not be favourable for you to change jobs. Your Moon antra began since 9/9/2003 and will be till 3/2/2005 in ra mahadasha. This period will be marked with job changes for your benefit. It might also be a period when you may buy a house, or a car etc. Except for the 12th, Mo has very good strength points for all areas of life. This will be a very favourable period for you. Thanks & Regards, Manu > To practice financial astrology can you study his chart and just > overall at antra level and say how his Shani, Venus, Sun antras were > in terms of Work, Income, Job, Expenses. > > Hint : Look at WS and compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th > (effort, income, expenses) , 6th, (job) and change of job (5th). Points are in increasing order only from Sun, and are in zig-zag order from Lg and Mo, so it seems that Sateesh has some service. This seems to be so as 3rd has more points than 11th. But, this service looks like good position, possibly some authority post. He can save money, can get money easily, without much effort ( 10th, 11th, 12th are 26, 36, 26 respectively) from Mo and Lg, and 29, 37, 21 from Su. So, no problem to save money. His income is legal as 8th has low points. High SAV in the 6th indicates good reputation in society. Good job. But, since 6th lord Sa aspects 11th, and 6th, some caution is needed with possible investments (specially Ju/Sa period and later). Regarding income (11th), all planets are strong in WS, and not so strong in for 12th. That is positive in his chart. Sateesh is in Rahu period, who acts as Venus and Jupiter (Venus nakshatra and Jupiter sign). Venus is very strong in WS, and good lord (lord of 2nd and 9th) for luck and money. So, overall, Ra period should be good. Also, taking 11th house as house B, 6th as A, 3rd as C - all houses are VERY strong. Even NK Mercury is strong in WS for 11th. Money could come from wife too. All periods: Ra/Ke, Ra/Ve, Ra/Su are good. Shani period would be generally bad, as Sa is weak for all houses except 2nd and 11th. Only 2/11 prosper in Sa bhukti. Su and Ve are good, but due to weak Ve in the 10th, some problems in carrier in Ve period. > How do you think his next antra that is about to start which is Moon > will be ? Mo is strong in WS for 2,4,6,7,10 and 11th house. So overall good time for above mentioned houses. That means income, position, relationships, reputation, home and wealth. It seems that better time is during Mo antra. Ju will move to Virgo (not so excellent), but Sa to Cancer (very good). Ju has less points in Vi, but Sa more in Cn .... but Cn has high SAV points. But, when Ju moves to Libra after some time and Sa comes back from Gemini, that will be powerfull period for income..... but it is Ra/Ma period. I hope that my attempt has some sense.... All the best, Dadhi Hello List Members, Here are the chart details of my friend. Female, 20 Nov 1976, 3:34 pm. Mumbai, India. Lat: 18.55N, Long: 72.54E, DST: 0, Zone: 5hr 30mins Asc is Pis 24:04 She is unmarried and the delay in marriage is a cause of concern for her parents. A. Can you identify why there was a delay in her marriage? When will the marriage be likely and will the marriage bring happiness for her? B. Are there any combinations that indicate change of jobs, foreign travel, good income. C. Were the previous 3 years beneficial for her family? How good is the current antra? I shall myself try to analyse this chart too for Ash and others to verify. Thanks & Regards, Manu Messages Messages Help Reply | Forward | View Source | Unwrap Lines Message 5920 of 7835 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # "ashsam73" <ashsam73> Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:52 pm Sateesh Chart - Further Note Dear Sateesh, Manu, Dadhi, Puneet and all, I have read your answers, but I have to rush to the airport. I shall reply in more detail later on. All are on proper track. Here I would like you all to observe the points in each antra in the Worksheet. So say for example, take Sateesh's Venus antra. In that if you observe check points gotten by Venus for 10th, 11th and 12th house. That will show you HOW MUCH EFFORT V/S INCOME V/S EXPENDITURE would be there. This is a powerful concept that one can appy to see how each antra will act. Re-Visit both the charts and check the antra and also check antra of Moon for Sateesh to make a future (and near by prediction) on how his Moon antra will be. Manu, I saw that there was slight difference in the start of Moon antra for Sateesh. Moon antra starts on 13th of Feb 2004 for Sateesh. Right now he is in the very end of Sun antra as per KAY (Krushnas Ayanamsa). Ok, got to rush... Cheers !!! Ash Hello Ash, Sateesh and all, Here's my attempt, please correct me where needed: We know that loss of job was Oct. 5 2001 during Rahu/Venus. ·Sub of 2nd lord (venus) was running so more worry is indicated ·Venus also has 17 points for 2nd house so worries would be felt more than less ·Venus is also natural samdharmi to 6th lord (Saturn) who is aspecting B, D, and E for 6th house ·Saturn is also 12L from B so no satisfaction for 6th house under its influence ·In navamsa Saturn is aspecting Venus ·Through 4/10 Venus is samdharmi to Mars (LOD for 6th) ·In worksheet Venus gives less than 12 points for 6th house – job,and 10th house –status of the person so during that period could be loss of job ·Expenses would be manageable because Venus gives higher points in WS for 12th house? 2nd and 8th house points are good, maybe he got help from unearned source i.e. from family? ·Antra of sun gives relief by escaping period of 6th lord but Sun is samdharmi to 2nd lord Ve so worries remain. In sun's sub points in 6th and 10th are good so he could get a job and his status therefore increased from being unemployed. Points for earning income from 11th are also good, points for 12th show expenditures being there also. I do not understand how 5th house plays into this. ·I think there was delay in getting the job because Saturn is aspecting houses C and D taking 6th as B, and Jupiter is aspecting E and A. This may be a trend that he has to face i.e. delay factor for job ·During moon antra there may be a change in job giving more status 6,10,and 11 remain good in WS and there also shows change of authority from low points for 5th house. Probably involving him moving from to a foreign place due to very low points for 12th in WS?? Ash and Margarita please comment,correct and add as appropriate. thanks, Puneet , "ashsam73" <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Sateesh, Manu, Dadhi, Puneet and List Members, > > Sateesh has shared his chart with list members. > > Apr 15,1973 > Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 > Hounslow, England > Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 > > Lagna using Krushna's ayanamsa - 28:56 Virgo - and Virgo rises in > Navamsa too > > To practice financial astrology can you study his chart and just > overall at antra level and say how his Shani, Venus, Sun antras were > in terms of Work, Income, Job, Expenses. > > Hint : Look at WS and compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th > (effort, income, expenses) , 6th, (job) and change of job (5th). > > How do you think his next antra that is about to start which is Moon > will be ? > > Just a high level antar dasha analysis. > > This is to demonstrate and bring out the technique on how powerful WS > is where you can see results at a glance. > > Hopefully Sateesh can give us feedback on your analysis directly. > > Cheers !!! > Ash Dear Puneet, Many thanks indeed - please see CAPS - - "pjoshi1975" <sunnyjoshi25 > Sunday, January 25, 2004 5:26 PM Re: More Practice Charts We know that loss of job was Oct. 5 2001 during Rahu/Venus. ·Sub of 2nd lord (venus) was running so more worry is indicated ·Venus also has 17 points for 2nd house so worries would be felt more than less ALL CORRECT. MUCH INCOME, BUT MUCH WORRY/TENSION TOO. ·Venus is also natural samdharmi to 6th lord (Saturn) who is aspecting B, D, and E for 6th house ·Saturn is also 12L from B so no satisfaction for 6th house under its influence ·In navamsa Saturn is aspecting Venus YES TO ALL POINTS. ·Through 4/10 Venus is samdharmi to Mars (LOD for 6th) PLEASE ELABORATE ON WHAT THIS INDICATES. ·In worksheet Venus gives less than 12 points for 6th house - job,and 10th house -status of the person so during that period could be loss of job GOOD POINT. ·Expenses would be manageable because Venus gives higher points in WS for 12th house? 2nd and 8th house points are good, maybe he got help from unearned source i.e. from family? VERY GOOD, EXPENSES WERE JUST ABOUT MANAGEABLE (I SPENT A LOT!) - HAD TO TURN TO FAMILY FOR FINANCIAL SUPPORT WHEN I CAME CLOSE TO RUNNING OUT OF MONEY. ·Antra of sun gives relief by escaping period of 6th lord but Sun is samdharmi to 2nd lord Ve so worries remain. In sun's sub points in 6th and 10th are good so he could get a job and his status therefore increased from being unemployed. YES - AS PER MY REPLIES TO MANU AND DADHI, THIS WAS ATTAINED RIGHT AT END OF LAST SECTOR OF SUN - ASH MAY HAVE EXPLAINED WHY JOB WAS DELAYED TO LAST SECTOR - IF NOT, HE CAN TELL YOU :-) . Points for earning income from 11th are also good, points for 12th show expenditures being there also. I do not understand how 5th house plays into this. MOST INCOME THROUGHOUT SUN HAS BEEN THROUGH SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS (SUN IS IN 8TH) - I HAVE ALSO SPENT WHERE I COULD ON LUXURIES, ETC. - ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY FAR LESS SO THAN THE AMOUNT I COULD SPEND ON LUXURIES IN VENUS ANTRA (AS I WAS IN GREAT JOBS IN ITS FIRST 2 SECTORS). ·I think there was delay in getting the job because Saturn is aspecting houses C and D taking 6th as B, EXCELLENT - YES, DELAY TO LAST 1/3RD WAS DUE SATURN ON B,C,D FOR 6TH. and Jupiter is aspecting E and A. WHAT IS RELEVANCE OF JUPITER HERE? JUPITER CONTRIBUTED TO DELAY? This may be a trend that he has to face i.e. delay factor for job OK. ·During moon antra there may be a change in job giving more status 6,10,and 11 remain good in WS and there also shows change of authority from low points for 5th house. Probably involving him moving from to a foreign place due to very low points for 12th in WS?? THIS NEW EMPLOYER IS STRONGLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIGGEST AIRLINES - AND I AM BASED IN AIRPORT - PERHAPS IF I PROGRESS IN THE COMPANY, I MAY GET TO USE THE LOW POINTS MOON GIVES FOR 12TH HOUSE. I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED. Ash and Margarita please comment,correct and add as appropriate. thanks, Puneet GREAT WORK. Best - Sateesh. Dear Ash and Puneet, Please see my feedback in ** ** . - "ashsam73" <ashsam73 > Monday, January 26, 2004 4:30 PM Re: More Practice Charts Dear Puneet, Here are my answers in CAPS. Sateesh can clarify. Very nice attempt. Cheers !!! Ash , "pjoshi1975" <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > We know that loss of job was Oct. 5 2001 during Rahu/Venus. ·Sub of 2nd lord (venus) was running so more worry is indicated ASH : TRUE. ** Yes. ** > ·Venus also has 17 points for 2nd house so worries would be felt more than less ASH : YES. ** Correct. ** ASH : IN THE WORKSHEET POINTS OF 12TH ARE MORE THAN 11TH AND 10TH ARE LESS THAN 11TH. VENUS IS GETTING 10 FOR 10TH HOUSE, 15 FOR 11TH AND 18 FOR 12TH HOUSE. STUDYING THE STATUS OF VENUS AND VENUS IS LOE FOR 12TH HOUSE. SO IT WILL GIVE LUXURIES, TRAVEL, MORE EXPENDITURE. CHECK WHERE IT HAS LESS POINTS. ** Yes, it gave all these things. bought new car, foreign travel with free plane tickets, spending money on video games, etc. ** ASH : VERY NICE ANALYSIS. ITS ALSO HOUSE OF CROWN. HERE SUN HAS 12 POINTS SO CAN GO EITHER WAY. SUN IS ALSO IN 8TH HOUSE WITH LOW BINDUS SO IT CONTROLS AND INFLUENCES 11TH HOUSE. LAGNA/SUN/MOON AND THEIR 10TH LORDS FROM THEM ARE ALL IN NAVAMSA OF SUN SO NATIVE IS MORE INCLINDED OR ATTRACTED TOWARDS EITHER GOVERNMENT JOBS OR JOBS WITH HIGH AUTHORITY. ** Correct on all points. Most of my employment has been either in Government jobs, or in Airlines/Airports/national Telecoms - and in the U.K., the airlines/airports/telecoms are now all privatised sectors, BUT run very much in the way Government sector does - since they ALL used to be Government controlled. ** ASH : FOR DELAY, WE CHECK SHANIS ASPECT ON HOUSE ABC IN RASI AND LOA, LOB AND LOC IN RASHI AND NAVAMSA. IF ALL 3 ARE AFFECTED THEN FULL DELAY. HERE KEEP 6TH AS B AND A BECOMES LAGNA AND C BECOMES 10TH. LOA AND LOC ARE BOTH MERCURY AND LOB IS SHANI HIMSELF. MERCURY IS ASPECTED BY SHANI. SO FULL DELAY. SO JOB WILL COME IN LAST 1/3RD SECTOR OF SUN ANTRA. ** Yes, that is correct. Right at end of last 1/3rd. ** > ·During moon antra there may be a change in job giving more status 6,10,and 11 remain good in WS and there also shows change of authority from low points for 5th house. Probably involving him moving from to a foreign place due to very low points for 12th in WS?? ASH : VERY NICE. ALSO CHECK POINTS OF SUN FOR 4TH HOUSE. HERE FOR 4TH HOUSE ITS HAVING MORE POINTS AND MOON IS IN HOUSE D WITH MORE POINTS FOR 4TH AS B AND ALSO FOR 8TH HOUSE ITS IN HOUSE E WITH MORE BINDUS SO BETTER RESULTS FOR THESE HOUSES. ** Does this imply I will be happier staying in this country (4th) in Moon Antra, and less happy (low 12th points for Moon) if I go overseas (in the Moon Antra)? ** Many thanks - Sat. Dear Sanjay, I have not found any E mail, in October. Any how, I remember some thing, It may be with respect to the ascendent. If one ascendent gives 36:22:30:and 33 in 3:6:10:and 11 house then the person can be in good post. Here his 3rd house is hightest, so his dreams are very high, Sixth is social status is only 22, Work is 30 and income is 33. More income is possible only when the person is in authority and responsibility. For second case 28:29:32:31, Means doing hard work and getting less return. The points in 10th house are more then in 11th house. krushna , "Sanjay Jaggia" <sanjaygg@l...> wrote: > Respected Krushnaji, > > This is in one of your emails in October where you were looking at > rectifying a chart and trying to choose between Capricorn or Sagittarius > ascendants. The following two options were coming and you had given your > interpretation. > > > >In one of your messages, you had interpreted the points in this way: > > > > > >36:22:30:33 ->The person should be in service, but should have some > > >authority and should have somewhat sophisticated work. > > > > > >28:29:32:31 -> This indicates hard work and less income compared to work > > >(more work by hand than head). > > > > > I just wanted to know the reasoning behind this. > > Kind regards > Sanjay Dear Sanjay, Plerase read my earlier mail, I have given it for general nature, it means this can be used for each and every house. Again I am giving it. wHEN THE POINTS IN D,B,C,AND E ARE IN INCREASING ORDER, THE RESULT OF HOUSE B IS MUCH GRACEFUL. If we take the case of marriage if points in 4th, 7th, 11th and 12th are in increasing order, we can say a very happy marriage life. Now a days it is very difficult to find such case, because now life is a adjustment. krushna Respected Peterji, Pranam, I appreciate the hard work you are doing to learn this system. I will put my comments in Capital and in bracket near to the point. krushna >"Peter Sutcliffe" <petermay@p...> > > >Re: Complete analysis >Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:11:41 +1000 > >Respected Krushna, >I have been trying to catch up with all the correspondance on Ron's chart >but it comes in quicker than I can keep up with. >I will not give the answers to the exercise set earlier although I have >done >it. The answers ahve been given several times already and it seems >pointless >just to repeat them. I have however been looking at the the analysis of >Ron's chart for his marriage, the separation, and the birth of the >children. >My reasoniong does not seem to be exactly the same as the others so perhaps >you could look at it and tell me if it is acceptable. I have also added a >couple of questions at the end. >Ron's Marriage. House 7 = B >Using house 7 as B I got Ju=30 ( CORRECT, BUT AFTER CONSIDERING AGAIN THE >SIGHT OF 12TH LORD FROM HOUSE B I.E. SATURN IT COMES TO 23) points Venus >23, Mercury 19 (IT SHOULD BE 7 AFTER CONSIDERING THE POINTS GAINED BY THE >SIGHT OF SATURN BEING 12TH LORD FROM HOUSE B ) and Mars 18(IT SHOULD BE 23, >YOU MAY NOT HAVE CONSIDERED THE SIGHT OF JUPITER). >Me and Venus both aspect house B and are disqualified but Ju and Mars are >both suitable for the marriage.( HERE JUPITER IS WITH 23, MARS WITH 23, >VENUS WITH 23, SUN WITH 19, MOON WITH 18, SATURN WITH 9 AND MERCURY WITH 7 >ONLY. HERE MARS IS MORE EAGER TO GIVE THE MARRIAGE. ) Looking first at the >sub-periond of Ju I >find the first to be at age 10 and obviously too early, the second sub is >not then until the age of 43 which even by western standards is to delayed >in spite of the fact that Ju is aspected by Sa. Looking at Mars the first >sub is at age 6 ( too earlt ) and the next is from 8th Feb 1960 until 14th >Jan 1960, this would make him 24/25 years of age which is very suitable. I >would there expect the marriage to be peformed in this sub-period. It was >in >fact peformed 7th Oct 1960. >Separation. House 6 = B (THIS WAS NOT A SEPERATION, TEMP LIVING AT >DIFFERENT PLACES (VIYOG) THE MERCURY GIVES ONLY 7 POINTS, SO IT HAVE >SEPRATED THEM MERCURY = KETU = RAHU.) Although someone else suggested >using 2nd house for this event I felt that >the 6th would be better as it is 12th to the 7th indication loss of long >term relationship. I did in fact look at the 2nd house also and although >the >actual points differed the ranking of the planets in points order was >identical for both houses. For house 6 the points were Ju=42, Sa=31,Me=26. >Ju is disqualified as it aspects house C. Rahu can act as sandharmi to Ju >and so I would expect Ra sub to indicate the separation. As Ra is sandharmi >to Ju which is the most powerful planet on the chart I would expect it to >give protection to the marriage and thus the separation is not permanent. >I am not happy about this one as although the separation was not long it >was >definately a malefic event and as such I am not sure whether I should have >been using the highest point scorer or the lowest. >Birth of Children House 5 = B >Using house 5 as B the points were Ju=40, Sa = 25, Venus =24, Me = 24. With >Ju having maximum points at 40 and also being the main Karaka for children >this was the obvious choice however it is disqualified due to an aspect top >house A. Both Ra and Venus can act as sandharmi to Ju so this is where I >would look first. The first sub after the marriage is that of Ra and as >this >is the most likely time for child birth (THE LORD OF HOUSE D AND E HERE ARE >MERCURY AND VENUS, AND MERCURY IS REPRESENTED BY RAHU AND KETU, THE >CONCEPTION IS IN THIS PERIOD ONLY, AND OR THE POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR) I >would expect the first child to be >born in this sub which was from 14th Jan 1961 to 9th June 1963. The first >daughter was actually born 8th Feb 1962. >The first son was actually born in a Sa sub-period and I could find >nothing >to tie in this with the birth of a child particularly as Sa is disqualifed >by aspecting house C. The 2nd son was born in a Venus sub and as Venus is >sandharmi to Ju this could be expected. This particular sub is also the >first suitable sub-period after the birth of the 2nd child so again it is >quite suitable. ( FOR CONSIDERING THE CHILDREN WE MUST TAKE IT AS >CONCEPTION, ACTUAL BIRTH IS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED. HERE ALL THE THREE ARE IN >LINE WITH THE SYSTEM) > >Comments on the above would be appreciated Mr Krushna and I have one >question. Could you please give me a fuller explanation regarding Ra/ Ke >acting as sandharmi. Several people said that Ra would be sandharmi to Ju >and I take it that this was because Ra was in Sagittarius which is ruled by >Ju. You stated that Ke represented Me, I take it that this is because it is >in Gemini which is ruled by Mercury. I also think that Ra would be >sandharmi >to Ve because they are in the same sign and house in the navamsa and that >Ra could be sandharmi to Ke as Ke is the a constellation ruled by Ra ( >Ardra).( CORRECT) >(I HOPE THIS WILL CLEAR ALL THE POINTS. ) >Yours trespectfully, >Peter >I will now continue to try and catch up on all the other mail over >Chrismas. >THANKS KRUSHNA > Respected Krushnaji, I have been looking at some charts of people I know and have been trying to see if they have the increasing points for D,B,C and E in some house. I checked about 15 charts and found that many of these have these points in at least some charts. I am giving some details of the persons and I would be grateful if you can inform me how to interpret this. 1. Male, 35 years old, Chief Executive of a small factory - His 8th house has 23:24:28:38 in D:B:C:E. His 6th house has 38:26:30:37. Now the 6th points are not in ascending order but these are ascending for B:C:E. 2. Male, 33 years old, started his own export trading business 2 years ago and is fairly successful - His 5th house has 21:23:27:33 and 6th house has 33:33:33:39. 3. Male 27 years, working as sales manager in an international company, doing well in his job - His 10th house has 27:29:28:40 which is not in ascending order but is generally increasing. 4. Male, 40 years, professional with his own very successful practice - His 1st house has 28:29:30:46 and 12th house has 18:24:30:30. Please advise if the same points in the last two house qualify as increasing points. 5. Male 45 years old, industrialist with several factories - His 11th house has 23:24:26:35. However, his 6th house points are not in ascending order. 6. Male 33 years, successful company executive - His 6th house has 28:31:35:43 points. Why is he not a successful businessman? 7. Male child 12 years with a history of epilepsy and learning difficulties - His 4th house has 25:27:28:28 and his 5th 26:28:28:36. Both houses are related with education, an area in which he has problems. 8. Female, 36, Reiki Master, very high spiritual energy level - Her 9th house has 28:30:28:35 which is not in strict ascending order. Her 10th house has 20:26:35:35 but she does not have a job or business. Your explanations of all these cases would be highly appreciated. Kind regards Sanjay Dear Sanjay, We should take 3:6:10:11 from 'A', which gives the idea of the results for karkatva of 'A'. the result is connected to house 'C'. For being a successful businessman 3:6:10:and 11 th should be in increaseing order from ascendent and or Moon. This also gives good authority, good position of authority, or ownership, with some persons working under him. Please note that if a person gets good points for a perticular house, then he have to loose some thing. He can get his success at the cost of some other house. For Example if a person have points in 4th house, 7th house, 11th house, and 12th house in increaseing order, then we can say he is getting good marital life. At the same time his expenditure is more then his income. He enjoys the life, but with debt. Please check how you selected the houses. krushna Respected Krushnaji, I selected the houses as 3:6:10:11 from A. For example, when I mention that a person has increasing points for the 11th house, I take 6th house as A and then take the points of D(8th), B(11th), C(3rd), and E(4th). Could you please give me the explanations for the 8 cases cited by me? Kind regards Sanjay ----- Original Dear Sanjay, Answer in Capital AND NOTE AT THE BOTTOM. > >I have been looking at some charts of people I know and have been trying >to > >see if they have the increasing points for D,B,C and E in some house. I > >checked about 15 charts and found that many of these have these points in > >at > >least some charts. I am giving some details of the persons and I would be > >grateful if you can inform me how to interpret this. > > > >1. Male, 35 years old, Chief Executive of a small factory - His 8th house > >has 23:24:28:38 in D:B:C:E. IT MEANS HE IS HAVING GOOD COURAGE. DONT HAVE >GOOD MANAGEMENT, GOES IN OPTIMISTIC CONDITION, EARNING IS GOOD. IF HE WOULD >HAVE SERVED HE WOULD HAVE GOT MORE MONEY. HE MUST GET GOOD RESULT FOR 8TH >HOUSE. HE CAN NOT BE HAPPY COMPAIRED TO IF HE WOULD BE IN SERVICE. ASK HIM. His 6th house has 38:26:30:37. Now the 6th > >points are not in ascending order but these are ascending for B:C:E. THE SAME THING MUST BE CHECKED FROM MOON ALSO. ( MOON CHART, KEEP THE POINTS IN THE SAME WAY) > > 2. Male, 33 years old, started his own export trading business 2 years > >ago > >and is fairly successful - His 5th house has 21:23:27:33 and 6th house >has > >33:33:33:39. IT IS GOOD FOR OWN BUSINESS. THERE IS NO DEVIATION IN THE >POINTS. > > >3. Male 27 years, working as sales manager in an international company, > >doing well in his job - His 10th house has 27:29:28:40 which is not in > >ascending order but is generally increasing. THIS CAN GIVE HIM A GOOD >POST WITH AUTHORITY. > > > >4. Male, 40 years, professional with his own very successful practice - >His > >1st house has 28:29:30:46 GOOD ATRACTIVE PERSONALITY, CAN IMPRESS OTHERS, >AND HAVE GOOD CONVINCING POWER and 12th house has 18:24:30:30. Please >advise if > >the same points in the last two house qualify as increasing points.HERE >AGAIN NO DEVIATION. EQUAL POINTS MEANS NO DEVIATION iF WE PLOT A GRAPH IT >SHOULD NOT GO DOWN FOR GOD RESULT. > > >5. Male 45 years old, industrialist with several factories - His 11th >house > >has 23:24:26:35. However, his 6th house points are not in ascending >order. CHECK FROM MOON, HE MUST KEEP CHECK ON INVESTMENTS, OPTIMISTIC >CONDITION WILL MAKE HIM SUFFER IN THE END. LASTLY HE MAY HAVE TO LOOSE >MORE. > > > >6. Male 33 years, successful company executive - His 6th house has > >28:31:35:43 points. Why is he not a successful businessman? RESULT CAN BE >EITHER ON HIGHER POST OR OWN BUSINESS. BEING AN EXECUTIVE MUST HAVE MORE >SUBORDINATE. > > >7. Male child 12 years with a history of epilepsy and learning > >difficulties - His 4th house has 25:27:28:28 HE WILL HAVE GOOD KNOWEDGE >AND MUST BE GETTING MUCH SUPPORT AND LOVE FROM FAMILY and his 5th >26:28:28:36. Both > >houses are related with education, FOR DEGREE 9TH HOUSE an area in which >he has problems. > > >8. Female, 36, Reiki Master, very high spiritual energy level - Her 9th > >house has 28:30:28:35 which is not in strict ascending order. Her 10th > >house > >has 20:26:35:35 but she does not have a job or business. 10TH HOUSE IS >DEBILATED. 6TH HOUSE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. > > > >Your explanations of all these cases would be highly appreciated. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > NOW DEAR SANJAY, THIS IS ONE OF THE REQUIRMENT FOR HAVING GOOD >RESULT, IT ALONE CANNOT CONTROL THE THING. STATUS OF KARAK PLANET, LORD OF >D AND E , EFFECT OF 12TH LORD FROM 'B', NO ZERO POINTS BY ANY PLANET IN ANY >HOUSE, MAXIMUM PLANETS WITH LESS POINTS, SO BENEFIC SIGHT EFFECT, 4:10 >RELATION SHIP, YOGKARAK (ONE PLANET HAVING LORDSHIP OF 'A' AND 'B') eX MARS >FOR CANCER ETC. THEN THIS ASCENDING ORDER CAN GIVE GOOD RESULT. fROM THE >ABOVE DATUM LEVEL IS FIXED, THEN HOW MUCH ABOVE ONE CAN REACH CAN BE SEEN. >ALL THE PLANETS MUST HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS AS A SIGNIFICATOR FOR SUCH >HOUSE. THEN THE INCREASEING ORDER OF THE POINTS IN 3:6:10:11 WILL GIVE GOOD >RESULT, AND PERSON WILL NOT FACE ANY DIFFICULTY FOR THAT HOUSE. KRUSHNA > Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for your reply. So it means that this is just one of the things to be looked at and must be balanced with other influences. Also, we should see the houses both from ascendant and Moon. But will that not lead to more confusion? Or you mean that we should see the points of DBCE from both ascendant and the Moon? You had promised earlier that you would be sending us a list of which houses are taken as house B for which matter. I hope you are going to send this soon. Kind regards Sanjay Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for your reply. So it means that this is just one of the things to be looked at and must be balanced with other influences. Also, we should see the houses both from ascendant and Moon. But will that not lead to more confusion? Or you mean that we should see the points of DBCE from both ascendant and the Moon? You had promised earlier that you would be sending us a list of which houses are taken as house B for which matter. I hope you are going to send this soon. Kind regards Sanjay Respected Krushnaji, Last week you had posted a chart for study where a person died early. Now that we know that the person has died, we can justify. However, if we were looking at the chart blindly without having this information, then there are many puzzles. In the worksheet for 8th house, all planets are strong. The natural karak Mercury and the functional karak Jupiter both have more than 12 points. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus are all combust but the combustion is not within 3 degrees. Even if Saturn is the strongest significator, there were 4 sub periods before this so why should he have died in this one? The only connection with 12th lord is Moon being in D but it has 6 points so this is not so bad. You also mentioned that luminaries are not bad as 12th house lords. In the worksheet for the 7th house, the natural and functional karakas Venus and Saturn and strong and not spoiled due to any aspect or association with the 12th lord from 7. Venus is combust but is more than 3 degrees from the Sun so does not lose its karaktva. I thought the person gets married in the sub period of the significator with low points only if the karak is spoiled or if the 12th house lord casts serious bad aspects. In this case, it only aspects A. So why did the person get married in the sub of the 12th lord. I thought you had said that if the 12th lord has less points, it is better. In this case, it did not matter. So from what I see, we can explain the problems after these happen but we can't predict these from the chart. Please advise how these events could be predicted with more surety from the chart. Kind regards Sanjay Dear Sanjay, Yes, You are here, One of my prediction just came true. That is only you and you will ask such questions. I was aspecting this from you. Any how I will explain you all your quarries. For your information all my predictions for this person came true, except the date of his death found by me. He died six months earlier. My date was ahead by six months. To day is too late, Tomarrow I will explain the details, and will creat more questions for you. Cool Down for the time being. krushna Respected Krushna, I've gone again trough the worksheets of my own chart to find out how it can be explained that I married (I mean really married) during the period of Jupiter with only 3 points, the lowest of all. (27th of june 1964) In the worksheet points of Jupiter are very irregular and jump from 19 to minus 3 Jupiter is also the lord of the 12th from B. Lord of asc, Moon and Sun are in 6/8 relationship with the lord of the 7th. According to one of your remarks, when someone marries in the in a period of a weak planet the marriage breaks up later. Well, I'm still married to the same man and that since 36 years and without major ups and downs. Of course we don't agree everytime on everything but I would find life extremely boring if this was the case. Do you have any suggestion where or how to look ? Many thanks Margarita Dear Margarita, The results of the vedic astrology are based on the indian customs, and that too for olden age. At that time in India, Womens were not having any authority. They were not able to take any decision on their own account. All the decisions were taken by the male. Still in India position is not much changed. As on today also, 90% of the populatiom might be following the old customs. The vedic astrology laws are according to the same situation. Please go through the following example: 1. The Mars if it is in 12th, 1st, 4th 7th or 8th house if found in the chart the chart is called as MANGALIC. For that Similar person should be selected. Means the effect of the Mars should be nuetralised by the planetary combinations in chart of the spouse. It means the person having Mars in above places should be married with a person haveing Planetary combinations which nuetralises the effect. This means if the combination in two charts are nuetralised the malefic effect, there will not be any problem. 2. Apart from this if the planetary friendshp if in two charts is powerful there will not be any dispute which may go to the extreme end. I think if you if you overlape your husband's chart on your chart, then you may find that either his Saturn or Rahu is aspecting your Venus. Similarly his Mars must be aspecting your Venus. The Sun in his chart must be aspecting your Moon, or must be in same sign. These combinations give good friendship. This phenomenon over shedes the other malefic yoga of the chart, concerned with the marriage. In friendship person overlooks the drawbacks of his friends. The person is accepted with his deficiencies. No dispute arises on that account. In india the marriage is a tie between two persons. It brings limitation on both the persons, in behavier. Some restrictions are to be followed. In western culture it may be called as friendship tie, which may not put any restriction. So no disputes. While coming in contact with persons from Western culture, Knowing some informations, I came to the conclusion that the Marriage for the persons should be studied from fifth and 12th house, considering them as house 'B'. If such study is made for your chart, the complete scene changes. Jupiter becames more eager to give such relations. Lastly when for last 36 years you are in married life with the same person, with out any dispute, means you have good blessings from your ancestors, that you are enjoying. krushna Respected Krusshna, Thank you soo much for this long and elaborate answer. Indeed my husband's Saturn aspects my Venus His Mars is in the same house as my Venus His Sun is in the same sign as mine Our Moons have a 3/11 relationship I will look at this 5th and 12th house as B for marriage in the future because I understand the cultural differences you mentioned. Thanks once more Best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, Your husband and you have very good planetary relationship, which gives very good relations. It gives adjustment from both side, and both needs each other. Such couples should be taken as exceptions to all laws. krushna Respected Krushna, This is the chart of a person who has no children I tried to understand why female born 23 of june 1952 at 03.30 hours, zone -1 lat 7E29 Long 48N32 asc 23°26 taurus Sun 9°22 gemini - 3 bindus Moon 17°38 gemini - 3 bindus Mars 10°03 Libra - 4 bindus Mercury 25°06 gemini - bindus Jupiter 20°05 aries 6 bindus Venus 8°52 gemini 5 bindus Saturn 16°08 virgo 3 bindus By taking the 5th house (virgo) as B the Sun becomes the 12th lord and influences other plantes. BUT Sun canot take this negative signification of 12th lord. I feel Saturn's presence in the 5th is not a sufficient reason to deny children If I think about conception I can look at the 12th as B and there Jupiter as 12th lord is of course a restricting influence. But conception could have happend in other sub periods. If I look at the 9th house as B, Jupiter becomes again lord of the 12th from B and I have the same question This person said she didn't want any children. So where do I situate that ? Does your system explain the possibility of having or not having children, and/or also the possibility of not wanting any. By looking at her chart I have the feeling that she is too involved with herself to think about having children, but this has nothing to do with strenght of planets in worksheet. Could you comment on this chart please Many thanks Margarita Dear Margarita, Regarding no childern: With the given data, the ascendent is Gemini. Even If the DST considered it remain same. My Ayannansha came as 22:10:16, as per my computer. You have given Taurus ascendent. Please check the same. All other planets are within reasonable limit. The Moon ( lord of house D, gives zero in 12th house (A) and Saturn gives zero in 5th house (B). Lord of house C is situated in 12th from B. The F.Karak planet Venus, is in Ararda, which spoils it. and It is with in 3 degrees from Sun. So the F. Karak looses its karakatva. Zero Points due to Saturn in 5th house and zero points due to Moon in 12th house indicates no child. The Natural karak Jupiter is in the sight of Sixth lord ( of the chart), Mars, and also it is situated in the sign of mars. All these clealy indicates no child. krushna Respected Krushna, Thanks for answering my question. I understand perfectly the reasoning. The only problem is the asc. At that given time and place the Sun is far from up because it's if fact only 02h30 in the morning. Even if it's the longest day of the year in these latitudes, it's still night. I tried three different programs and with the same ayanamsa I obtain 23° Taurus. So the only possible error must be that the birthtime is not correct otherwise this problem cannot be explained. Thanks anyway for looking at the problem Best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, The Sun rise for the place is 2:34:34 am and sun set is 06:29:40 pm for the day. the Gemini ascendent starts at 1:54:57 am and ends 04:14:01. I think this will clear the matter. krushna Dear Anil Kedia, The stock market is based on the Government policy, and over all situation. The general trend of the stock market depends on the transit of the planets and finding the total points acquired by the planets in sarvastak. For India you can use the chart for 15th Aug 1947, time 00:01 am Delhi. Find the points for each day, as per the planetary position,Make the total. This way you can find points for all the days of the year. Then you can plot it on graph, so deviations or upgradation can be easily find out. This can give the trend of the market. It can give only 70% reliabilty for stock market. But indicates the overall situation of the country in very good manner. Points going instantaneously high indicates some good decision taken by or action taken by the government. Some times the action is delayed by some hours. krushna Respected Krushna, In following chart I just wondered if the person is not going to face some health and other problems in the coming years male born 18 august 1953 at 07h10 zone -1 makes 06h10 G.M.T. long 3E14 lat 51N13 ayanamsa 22:11:43 asc 18°03 leo - Sun 2°48 leo -/ Moon 7°37 scorpio -/ mars 20°18 cancer -/ mercury 15°08 cancer -/ jupiter 29°16 taurus -/ venus 24°01 gemini -/ saturn 0°45 libra -/ rahu 10°51 capricorn. As I got most of past events right(which is never difficult) I'm just wondering that his Venus dasha doesn't look so good. Venus is lord of the 3th which is house A for the 8th Jupiter becomes the 12th lord considering the 9th and the 6th as house B and Jupiter has 6 points, scoring -1 for the second house, the house of family and income; he also aspects the 6th of job where he gets 7 points. So I was thinking that Jupiter sub could bring some problems about income and job. In the 10th he is of course strong but his aspects are not. Saturn bhukti seems not happy for the 5th house (as B) because Saturn as lord of the 6th he aspects houses A B and C Mercury bukhti is not favourable because it's lord of the 2nd house Kethu bukti cannot bring much change because it is samdharmi to Moon who is very weak in the worksheet because of Jupiter's aspect. Kethu is also samdharmi to Saturn who is lord of the 6th and to Mercury through conjonction. Perhaps Mars who is very strong can bring some help ? But Mars is samdharmi to Moon and exchanges house with her ? I always get interesting answers and it helps me to reason more along your lines but I feel I have still a long way to go. If I'm not taking up too much of your time, I should appreciate your comments Many thanks and best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, You have written zone -1, I think it means GMT -1 , But from the calculations it seems you have taken it as day saving time(DST). So I have taken it in the same way. Your reading is very correct. I will add some more for your study, which may be helpful. 1. His Saturn is aspecting Mercury ( lord of A, and C for marriage) and Saturn it self is the lord of B, more over Saturn gives zero in 12th house, this indicates delayed marriage. Lord of asc, and 7th from it is in 3:11 , from Moon 2:12, from Venus 3:11. Means marrital life should be based on adjustment. 2. Points in 3:6:10 and 11th house are 26:28:36:28 indicates Service, and more responsibility compared to earning. From Moon 3:6:10:11 are 28:34:28:and 28 , indicates same. 3. Moon in fourth house in scorpio with 4 points indicates harse talk, but adjustive nature. 4. The ascendent , Moon and Sun in Navamansha, Drekkana, and Trishma chart no one is in the sign ruled by Saturn, indicates average brilliency. 5. Mars is getting power due to saturn in the fourth place, so mars becomes powerful. So result for 11th, 12th, 4th, 9th, 10th 2nd, and 1st house can be experienced in the sub of Saturn and Mars. Mars being the lord of house D, but gets power due to Saturn lord og 12th house from B, will not give good result for 7th house. 6. Saturn lord of 6th situated in 3rd house and having Zero in the 10th house from it, indicates some lungs problem, or similar troublein Saturn Sub. He might be having some problems regarding piles. 7. Current period will obstruct in personality developement and social status, and also for 9th house. 8. Jupiter sub period which is up to April 2003, will be helpful in eternal developement, He must be suggested to eat less spicy food. The Saturns travel in 12th house will be creating some worries, and at the same time he will have Mercury Sub. krushana Dear Members, Solving the blind analysis for any chart, for the event happen on any perticulat date. One should adopt following procedure, I think with a little practice, one can find reach to the perfection. 1. Cast the chart, for the person using his D.O.B, place of birth and time, using KRUSHNA'S AYANANSHA ONLY. This is more important. Result using this ayanansha are more correct. I recommond this ayanansha for any system, for better result. 2. Find the Vishontary Dasha, and Sub Dasha 3. Find out Main period lord and Sub period lord on the date of the event. 4. Find which houses are having lordship of main period lord, also find its samdharmi. The result is generally linked with the karkatva of the main period lord or its samdharmi. It can represent the house where it is situated. 5. Find the house/s the sub period lord rules, and the house where it is situated. The sub period lord generally gives the results of 4th or 8th house from its house or 4th or 8th house from its situation. If the samdharmi planet is aspecting any of the house A,B, C, so it can represents the samdharmi. ( this is going reverse way, As we say if any planet aspects houseA,B,or C then it's samdharmi will give the result) 6. We can find all the houses, for which the sub lord can give the result, and its karkatva related to the main lord. For Example if we take the case given by Exercise 5, or ABA 1 ( name given by Mr Ron) We can find that the main period was of Rahu, and Sub period was of Moon. Now Rahu is situated in 9th house, and represents Mars and Saturn. Mars is ruler of 2nd and 9th house. and Saturn is lord of 11th and 12th house. The Moon is sub lord and can can be said to give the result for the house 'B' are 8th, 12th, 2nd, and 6th house. For 8th house karkatva goes to Venus, for 12th house karak is Mercury, For 2nd the karkatva goes to Mars or Rahu, and for 6th house karak is Jupiter. The main period lord represents Mars so only 2nd house. The 2nd house represents the family, death of the husband etc. Now considering Family matter, Moon is weak significator, and also for the longevity of husband. Studying other factors, Natural Karak of marriage is Venus and is in krittika, spoils the marital happiness. It's situation in 2nd also bad. Mercury is more powerful for marriage, as it gets points from Saturn being in fourth house. But it has to do nothing with the current period. So it can be confirmed that in moon sub period is bad for the longevity of the husband. so we can say depart from her husband or demise of her husband. Similar procedure can be followed for solving any blind chart. krushna Respected Krushna, I try to find out when exactly this person is going to move. I mean by that a big move because he is going to Australia. So I thought at taking the 4th as B. The only thing which seems evident is that he is going to move before his moon subperiod starts in august but to pick out the right moment is difficult His tob is 04 april 1969 at 16h35 in Bujumbura Burundi lat 03S23 long 29E22. I'm just curious because different plantes can give the results although it is clear that it will happen in the sun sub; but I don't know where the Sun has to transit to make it happen. Thanks for looking into that if you have time Best regards Margarita Dear Margarita, I have taken the time zone GMT + 2 hours due to long 29:22. I think it should be correct. You said 'moving' it means migrating to australiya with his family, or going alone. If the action is of permanant nature then 3rd house should be treated as 'B'. If it is temparay shifting then 9th house and if it is only for travelling 12th house. In any case for finding the date of the event, the transit of sun should be in powerful significators ( Sign and constellation). krushna Dear Amitabh, House B is the house under focus. For example if you are timing marriage then the house to time marriage from is 7th house. So you consider 7th house as B. We call 7th house as "House B". Now Karak sthan for Marriage is 8th from 7th house or HOUSE B and that is denoted by HOUSE A. So that becomes 2nd house. The result or phalit sthan is called HOUSE C and that is 5th house from House B. House D and E are called Samrudhi sthan and are upchaya houses. House D is 10th house from House B so in our case for timing marriage House D would become 4th house and House E is 6th from House B so that is 12th house. So here I summarise. First find out the house or the event that you want to time. As per Vedic Astrolgy for each event there is a House. Choose that house and call that HOUSE B. Now once HOUSE B is fixed... the event and House B depend on other houses which being A,C,D and E. These Houses are House A = 8th From reference of House B. House B = House under Focus House C = 5th From reference of House B. House D = 10th From reference of House B. House E = 6th From reference of House B. I hope the terminology is clear. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Samina, I casted the chart with the data, You have said that the time is approimate. Based on the event of his first marriage, I think he may have been born earlier than the time given. Marriage in Shani antra seems proper and also the seperation and divorse are in line in Mercury antra. First lets study the basic indication in the chart. I am taking the chart with Leo Lagna. Krushnaji and Margarita may feel free to correct me. Here are some laws that can be seen from the chart : 1) With Krushnas Ayanamsa I am getting Guru at 0Li10 so its position in Rashi and Navamsa is in Libra. This spoils Guru. 2) 6th lord is in 4th house. 3) Lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8, Moon and 7th lord are in 2:12 and Sun and 7th lords are in 4:10. Other Aspects - Profession 4) 3:6:10 points are rising and can show that the person is very independent in nature. 5) 10th lords from lagna/sun/moon are in navamsa of sun, guru, guru. So the native might be in more advisory position or management or teaching position in a graphics designing firm. 6) Lagna/Sun/Moon are in more sectors of Mercury and Venus. Timing of Events. The only event given is that the native married on 4th November 1986 and divorsed in less than 3 years. With Leo lagna I am getting full delay. After the delay Shan i antra is running. Shani has lowest points for 7th house. So person will marry during that time and as per the laws given, when an event happens in lowest points it will break during planet with highest points or LoD or LoE. So when Ketu antra kicked it and Ketu is in sign of Mars and in nakshtra of Ketu so Ketu is SD to Mars who is LoD. So more possibilities of breaking of marriage during Ketu antra. Mars also has the highest points for 7th house. So BASED ON THIS ONLY EVENT the timing is matching as per the system. I am not going in further to zoom into the proper sector as 1 event is not enough for it. Krushnaji and Margarita and others more senior may add or correct me. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , "saminamalik50" <saminamalik50@h...> wrote: > DOB 12 July 1958 > Place Lahore.Pakistan.Time approx 10.05 am > Male,by profession a graphic designer. > > He married on 4Nov 1986 and divorced his wife after a little less > than 3 years.{date not well known}Has a boy from this wife. > He has his Jupiter in Libra which is the only reason for a unhappy > married life in his chart. > > He again married after a few years and is pulling on well with his > second wife.Has one boy and 2 girls from his second wife. > > WHAT I AM TRYING TO LOOK FOR: > His first wife complained and he confessed that he has no interest in > sex which was the basic reason for divorce.{he usually used to stay > away for weeks from home inspite of the fact that he was in the same > town} > > Can any senior member help diagnose this chart for learning point of > view. > > RGds These days I am in a fix,trying to use the benifits of astrology. Krushna Jee and senior members may please give a guideline. DOB 18th Nov 1979 Place Kasur Pakistan Time 2.30Pm 74.28 E 31.07 N Guru Krushna system shows the following points when 7th house is taken as B Me 25 ve 20 mo 19 su 17 sa 14 ma 13 ju 5 Since he has Venus in Jyethia nakshatra I would like to see that he gets married in the sub period of the planet which does not disturb his married life. FIRST OPTION: If I marry him now in the Sub period of mercury{which has highest points} then the next sub period which is that of Ketu which is Samdharmi to Saturn in Navamsa chart{lying in the same house} since he has an infflicted Venus {has 3rd sight of Saturn and 4th of Mars and Saturn also aspects sun}the chances of a separation are there when Saturn transits the 6th house {end of a relationship} during the sub period of Ketu. SECOND OPTION: I should marry him in the sub period of Venus{which starts on 8th of Dec 2006} which is followed by sub of sun ,moon,mars which will take him to the end of 2014 an age of 35 years when he will be mature enough to take care of himself. A little thinking by fellow members will be highly appreciated. Rgds Dear Krushnaji, Samina, Margarita and list members, You have raised a good topic for discussion. I will put down my thoughts and others may join in ... Lets start with discussing Houses and what it means. 12th house ---------- 12th house is house of enjoyments, Moksha apart from other things. Its House E for 7th as B. Its House D for 3rd as B. Its House C for 8th as B. It is A for 5th house and B for result of enjoymenet, Moksha etc. 12th house is that of Long Journeys. So I would think that 12th house as B could mean long distance travels or travels overseas in todays context. 12th house is also House C for 8th house i.e. like result after death or phalit sthan of death. Maybe journey to next life....... ????. 12th house is also house of Moksha and enjoyments. 3rd House --------- 3rd House. 3rd house as B, for that 12th house becomes D and 10th house as B then 3rd house is E. So its eager to give Authority and pleasures or long journey. 3rd house is also 12th from 4th house and 4th house is HomeLand apart from other things. As per KAS we know about that 12th from B and its effect on B. So it could mean displacing a person from Home Land, for a long journey (12th house is House D) and also might get Authority in another country (10th house). Maybe one can say that one Migrates (12th from 4th) to another country overseas (12th) where he gets authority (10th). 9th house --------- 9th house is 12th from 10th house. Its House D for 12th as B. It is also House E for 4th house as B. Here it could mean or translate into Travel due to change of authority (12th from 10th) to another location (12th) but within Home Land (4th). So maybe travel due to work. 7th house --------- 7th house is Karak for 12th as B. It is 4th from 4th house so its subordinate to 4th house so will try to help 4th house and 4th house being home land. It is House E to 2nd house and D to 10th. It is also C to 3rd house. Here it could mean, Short term travels for Authority (10th) but will also trigger 2nd house so might be close to family and its subordinate to 4th house so home land. 7th is also 2nd from 6th. house of job so could be work related. In your mail you have asked about reason for travel. I think that can be seen from Karak. For death of mother its 5th or SD to 5th lord and for death of father its 11th or SD to 11th lord from a childs chart. During antra of death of the parents and if its having relation to 12th house or lord it can mean travel for such a thing. Also daily points one can check. If they are low < 196 it could mean that person is feeling more depressed. It travelling for marriage or other happy ocassion also from daily transit of points one can get an idea of the mood of the person. If its more than 196 it could mean person is happy on that day.... But for travel there should be a link to the above houses I feel i.e. antra lord running must have some relation to the above houses. Please feel free to correct me.... Cheers !!! Ash , "saminamalik50" <saminamalik50@h...> wrote: > Dear Krushna Ji and Senior list members; > > In one of the posts Krushna Ji mentioned the following. > > 1.Take 3rd house as house B for migration. > 2.Take 9th house as house B for travelling. > 3.Take 12th house for recreational travelling etc. > > I was looking at a chart and observed that when she migrated rule 1 > was followed. > She came to see her parents after about 3 years rule 3 was followed > {she came in the antardasa of the planet with less than 12 points} > > QUESTION:[1}Which house is to be taken as B {wether 9 or 12}if she > visit the country on the death of her one of her parents{about this I > think house 9 should be taken as house B} > > [2]Which house is to be taken as house B if she visits the country on > the marriage of a brother or sister.{about this I personally think > house 12 should be taken as B} > > Your help in clearing the concept will be highly appreciated. > > rgds > > Samina ar Samina, Yes, death is a happy event. All happy events happen in the strongest significator or LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E with more points. Now if the impact of death of a person affects the native then I feel that it will show low points as person might not be happy or another way of looking is the person will cease to get happiness from say mother or father. Whatever events impact the native can be seen from a chart. Indirect events we need to study more closely on how it may impact the native. Say death of Father might give inheritance so 8th house might show a rise in points. 9th house is father and 12th from B is 8th house. So 8th MAY go up in points. So inheritance may be how it affects. Thats my understanding so far. I hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash Hello mbaqueen, I am providing the calculated points for your chart for House 7 (House B for marriage). They might help you in your analysis. ju - 20, ve - 14, me - 13, ma - 13, mo - 12, su - 10, sa - 09. Also there is an excel sheet in Files section that can calculate the points for you. Regards, Manu , "Manu Batura" <manubatura> wrote: > Well, with asc in Sag too I can't find the reason for delay! > Others might be able to help me out. > > Regards, > Manu > > , "Manu Batura" > <manubatura> wrote: > > Oops! I think the asc on the border is what is causing a problem. > > Birth time rectification is required. > > > > I will perform a second try. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > , "Manu Batura" > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Can you please confirm if your chart is this? > > > > > > ############################################# asc . cap 00°42' > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # su(4) vir 23°08' > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # mo(5) gem 29°33' > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. ke .. # .. mo sa # ju(5) aqu 16°32' > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # me(4) lib 17°00' > > > ############################################# ve(5) vir 15°53' > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ma(2) vir 24°50' > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # sa(5) gem 25°57' > > > # .. ju .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ra .. sco 20°32' > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ke .. tau 20°32' > > > ############//////RASI//D-1//////############ > > > # // .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # > > > ############################################# > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. ... # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # > > > # .. .. .. # .. ra .. # .. me .. # ma su ve # > > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # > > > ############################################# > > > > > > Actually, I could not find any reason for the delay in marriage?! > > > > > > It has been a long time since I saw any chart and I might have > made > > a > > > mistake, but can you please verify the birth details? > > > Maybe Ash and others will be able to provide correct analysis. > > > > > > I have taken the following values for Guntur. > > > > > > Long = 80.29E, Lat = 16.18N > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "mba_queen" > > > <mba_queen> wrote: > > > > Dear gurus, > > > > > > > > Please analyse my chart related to my marriage and married life. > > > > > > > > DOB:oct 9th'1974 > > > > > > > > POB:Guntur,India > > > > > > > > TOB:13:05hrs > > > > > > > > Iam not yet married and Iam so curious to know why it is > delayed? > > > And > > > > when it could happen.How my married life will be? > > > > > > > > I tried to calcuate points for each house..but because of my > > > > ignorance I couldn't understand the first step of calculating > > > points > > > > in ASHTAKAVARGA chart.If possible,anyone of you could help in > > > > calculating points of that chart. > > > > > > > > Thanks Dear Manu, Welcome back to the list. With Sagittarius lagna here are some observations Sa is in 7th, House B, It is LoA and it conjoins Venus who is LoC in navamsa so full delay. Guru is in Aquarius sign of delay casuing planet Shani so he cant check delay caused by Sa. So full delay. Please read point 5 in lesson in Lesson 24. Guru also aspects 7th house malefically and this also causes further delay. Cheers !!! Ash Dear ? How can you go to lesson 24 without first understanding lesson 1 thru 23 and casting your worksheet. Manu has given you the points for 7th house. Currently u are going through antra of 6th lord. Lagna and 7th are in nav pancham. Next antra is that of Sun who has 10 points for 7th however he has good ponits for 12th and 5th and is in House E for 5th with more points. 5th and 7th i.e LoD and LoE are having some relation. LAgna has 32 points and lagna and 7th are having 6:8 relation. 2nd lord is gaining status by going into primary upchaya sthan in 7th house. i.e. in 6th house from 2nd. Lagna and 3rd lords are in nav pancham so you have blessings of mother. Like that so many things have to first considred before getting into timing. Have you read the lesson on Non Maritial Status ? Are any of the law matching. Please read even point 5 of lesson 24 carefully. Its clearly given that Sa with Moon and having less points. In your case Sa is with 4 bindus so on borderline or neutral so it can go either way. My suggestion is that before jumping into timing and getting all worried by reading 1 point is not right. You will get married. When I shall leave that to you and others to make an attempt. Manu had done nice work by assisting you by casting your worksheet and giving you the poitns for 7th house. I hope that Manu and you continue. Also please post your name out of courtesy. Cheers !!! Ash Dear ? How can you go to lesson 24 without first understanding lesson 1 thru 23 and casting your worksheet. Manu has given you the points for 7th house. Currently u are going through antra of 6th lord. Lagna and 7th are in nav pancham. Next antra is that of Sun who has 10 points for 7th however he has good ponits for 12th and 5th and is in House E for 5th with more points. 5th and 7th i.e LoD and LoE are having some relation. LAgna has 32 points and lagna and 7th are having 6:8 relation. 2nd lord is gaining status by going into primary upchaya sthan in 7th house. i.e. in 6th house from 2nd. Lagna and 3rd lords are in nav pancham so you have blessings of mother. Like that so many things have to first considred before getting into timing. Have you read the lesson on Non Maritial Status ? Are any of the law matching. Please read even point 5 of lesson 24 carefully. Its clearly given that Sa with Moon and having less points. In your case Sa is with 4 bindus so on borderline or neutral so it can go either way. My suggestion is that before jumping into timing and getting all worried by reading 1 point is not right. You will get married. When I shall leave that to you and others to make an attempt. Manu had done nice work by assisting you by casting your worksheet and giving you the poitns for 7th house. I hope that Manu and you continue. Also please post your name out of courtesy. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Ash and Manu, Before asking you something,I would like to say thanks to both of you for analyzing my chart. I got one question(not related to my chart).If the Lord of sun's house and the lord of 7th from sun's house are in same house,how can we calculate points. Thanks Hema ashsam73 <ashsam73 > wrote: Dear Krushnaji and Manu, Yes, I also feel the same and agree with all your findings. Mars is LoE and its in 11th from 12th house so in upchaya and also its in 6th from 5th house. So again 5th and 12th house gain status. Yes its with Venus who is 6th lord and 11th lord and loosing status for 11th house. About 2nd sector is also what I think. So I agree with your findings. Now I would like to confirm IF Moon will not give results. Moon its with 12 points so it can go either way. Studying Status of Moon, Moon is in Krishna Pax and in 12th from 8th. So again loosing status. Now Moon is SD to Karak Shani at the same time its also SD to Mercury. Moon is natural samdharmi to Mars who is LoE. So overall I feel that it does might not give results. Krushnaji when you get a chance can you guide us regarding if Moon can give results for timing of events for marriage. I hope Krushnaji can confirm our findings. Also can you confirm the sector. Here Mars is LoE and there is full delay. So delay will be second sector. Here lagna and 3rd are in 5:9 so will the event happen in 1st sector itself ? If in Moon the event will be in last sector. Is that proper ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Hi Ash, I tried to see Hema's chart again wrt to marriage. Please let me know if there are mistakes. I rectified by -5 mins to get sag asc.First of all, lord of asc (ju) and lord of 7th (me) are in 5:9.lord of mo (me) and lord of 7th from mo (ju) are again in 5:9.Lord of su (me) and lord of 7th from su (ju) are again in 5:9!So, marriage points are 90. That is good. Ve is in nakst of Hasta. Diff from sun is 7.2 degrees. That is good. SAV of hs1 is 32. (So, as Ash analysed, the native might be head strong). For B as hs7, Sa is LoA in rasi as well as navamsa. It is also placed with LoC (ve) in navamsa. And as Ash pointed out, Mo is placed with Sa in hs7 in rasi.So, I am assuming full delay. Full delay ended on 7/14/2002 when native was 27.8 yrs. She has been in me/ve since then which ends on 8/2/2004 when me/su shall start.Looking at the strength sheet, it seems that it was good that the native was not marriage in ve antra since it is lord of 6th. su with low points (10) may not be able to give results either. The next antra is mo. Mo has only 12 points and is afflicted by saturn in 7th. Hence that too may not give results. Actually I am not sure here! Anyways, next antra is ma. Ma has 13 points and is LoE. Hence it is eager to give results. So, marriage may happen is Ma antra from 11/8/2006 to 11/5/2007. It may happen in second sector since Ju has 5th sight on Sa. Regards, Manu In , "ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, For finding proper sector I am still practicing it.I will share with you what I have found. If there is a delay causing planet say it can be Venus or Guru or Sa then its last sector. At the same time there is a law that IF THE DELAY CAUSING PLANET IS LOD OR LOE then it will give it in first sector. Now this can be modified buy Zeroes in SAV.We also need to see if say the strong significator is saw with Shani etc. So I am still practicing such things and hopefully will be more confident with more practice.I think here again u need to get an understanding first of the chart and then you can narrow to proper sector. Say delay causing planets antra is running and so it will try to give in 1st sector at the same time there is 1 zero and at the same time say for marriage there lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 it means there is blessing of father or guru so in that case the event MAY happen in the first sector only.So such things and again overall chart should be kept in mind.Thats been my experience this far. Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Thanks Ash,Also, will it be correct to say that sector selection is used only when Sa itself becomes the significator.Then, we can determine in which sector of its antar-dasha the event happens by the rules.However, what should we do when sa causes full delay but is not the significator? Ash,I will try to analyse Hema's chart this evening to see if I can figure out the period. Thanks & Regards, Manu In , Ash Sam<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Sa is delay causing planet and that is clear.When Ju malefically aspects 7th house or its lord then that can also cause further delay.There is also a law when Guru is in lagna with more points it can cause seperation or divorse.In such a case it can cause further delay also in selecting the proper sector.It will cause delay.Zeores in SAV also cause delay and so does so many other things for example if venus is spoilt then that can also cause delay.So we should keep all these things in mind.Study each status carefully.Guru in libra can also cause delay. We need to study whole chart.For that we need to solve so many charts and it will come with experience and you will start to get a feeler on such things. Cheers !!! Ash Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, I have a few more doubts about delay.The lessons say that Ju and Sa are delay causing planets. Is it that Sa causes delay and Ju checks it or can Jupiter can also cause full delay when there is no delay due to Saturn?In this case how do we measure the delay? Thanks & Regards, Manu In , Ash Sam<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, In that case I would think when it first reaches 0 deg. Thanks,Cheers !!! Ash Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, I was refering to the retrogression of Saturn. Regards,Manu In ,"ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu,How 2 times.Sa is at 16 deg into Cancer so in 2.5 year it will hit 16 deg in Leo and 2.5 year after that into Virgo...............to 0 deg Cancer. So the cycle starts from 16 deg Cancer.So only once.I think it will be clear now. Cheers !!!Ash In ,"Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, Thanks a lot. However, sometimes Sa will cut 0 degrees twice.Should we take the first cut or the second? Thanks & Regards, Manu In ,"ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Sorry ignore my previous email too in rush I made mistake.Say Sa is 16 degrees in Cancer. So for full delay caused by Shani it will be till Shani transits around the chart and comes to 0 deg Cancer. Thanks,Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash Read CAN as LIB in previous mail. Regards, Manu In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, I really need to get my concepts cleared about delay before sa causes more delay. I have a few doubts:Let us say that a native was born when Sa was in LIB. Now if there is full delay,should we consider then delay to be from the case when Sa moves from CAN -> PIS (0 degrees)or should we consider it to be from the case when LIB ->LIB(full cycle) -> PIS (0 degrees). I have many many more doubts about delay.I will ask them later. Thanks & Regards, Manu In ,"ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote: Dear Manu, Welcome back to the list. With Sagittarius lagna here are some observations Sa is in 7th, House B, It is LoA and it conjoins Venus who is LoC in navamsa so full delay.Guru is in Aquarius sign of delay casuing planet Shani so he cant check delay caused by Sa. So full delay. Please read point 5 in lesson in Lesson 24.Guru also aspects 7th house malefically and this also causes further delay. Cheers !!! Ash In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Well, with asc in Sag too I can't find === message truncated === Dear Krushnaji, Manu and Hema, Manu and Hema, your previous mail I shall answer in the morning when I feel more fresh. Here is my understanding. 1) 5:9 is nav pancham. Nakshatras in 5:9 houses are same. If you see from House ABCDE then if you observe keenly House B and C are always in nav pancham. 2) 3:11 are in upchaya which is good. 3) 2:12 means disharmony. 4) 6:8 means disputes 5) 1:7 means 1 and 7th houses are always enemies. So in this case its more a fight for domination. Natural samdharmi's when in 1:7 position cease to become Samdharmis. So for example Venus and Saturn are in opposite houses then they will not be natural samdhamris as they become like functional enemies. Similarly for Moon and Mars and Moon and Sun. 6) Same house : Here they becomes Samdharmis. if the distance between the 2 planets is less than 15 degrees then consider them as 4:10 and if greater than 15 degrees then consider it as 2:12 7) 4:10 is boss / subordinate relation or opposition but with respect. About allocating points I shall leave that to Krushnaji. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Manu, Its the other way. First you see the chart and see happiness is it promised in the chart. If there are indications of say multiple marriages or a seperation then in such cases either marriage will be in lowest significator and will break in highest significator or LoD or LoE. Worksheet give u strength of planet for all houses. When the event will happen in lowest points from WS or LoD or LoE from WS or highest points from WS is our choice based on what we first judge from a chart. So use the worksheet to see overall results and to time but that is the last step. First u have to study the chart and then use Worksheet to time. Now quality of event is different from timing. You can time a marriage i.e. from worksheet. Say you see that a chart has problems but still there are no laws fitting for a No Marriage scenario. Then in that case marriage will take place. So that is timing of event. So if someone asks u. .when will I get married you can use the worksheet to time it maybe in the weakest significator. Now quality of marriage is differnt issue. Problems may start to creep in when planets with more points come up and about and when LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E come then such things will get enhanced and it MAY break if such things are seen. That is also timing of an event. Similarly for Job, see the nature of person, his intellegence, capability first, see his lagna points, and also see where lagna lord is, 6th lord is.. if say lagna lord is in 12th then status of Karak of A for job is weakened. Such things show us something. At the same time see if Moon is with Rahu then it can show something about natore of the person .. see lagna lord in relation to say 9th lord or 11th lord for boss or friends if they are in 5:9 then its nice person is friendly can get along if in 6:8 then it can show some issues... now at the same time say lagna points are over 40 then person can be very adamenet or sensitive and may break or leave job etc etc.... So we need to see all things together. Think over this. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Some things are very evident. Ve is in nakshatra of aridra. Divorce is clear. And I can't beleive this, Sa has 57 strength points for hs7! It is also LoD. The marriage must have happened in Sa antra. Sa has only 2 points and it aspects A, B and C. Hence, it directly bags 18 extra points for sitting at the right place in the horoscope. Not only that, Sa only controls, ju, ve and ma in this horoscope. And having only 2 points, it is a very strict master. According to me, since, ve su diff is 28. That is good. Although ve does have sight of sa that spoils the karaktwa. I still do not think it might lead to extra-marital relationships. 6L mangal has 3 points and hence, is also a cruel slave to Sa. 6L is with ve, karaktwa of hs7. Hence, it spoils ve too. Ve is already under Sa's influence. I think it is to do with the interaction of Sa, Ju, Me, and Ma. It will be nice to know the answer from Krushnaji. It seems like a special chart! Thanks & regards, Manu , "pjoshi1975" <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > Dear Ash, Manu and group, > > This chart Krushnaji gave and asked some questions (see Msg: 2878). > Nobody followed up to answer it. So let us take it up now. It could > be paramour chart. > > Male, July 21,1966 > 4:15pm (GMT+5.5) at 28N39, 77E13 > I get lagna 22Sc55 > > Info given: married in period Aug 92 to Sept 93 > Sept 96 to Feb 99 differences started between husband and wife > Wife Left him in Feb 97 to April 98 > > Questions asked by Krushnaji are as follows: > is this a case of extra marital relation of the husband? > Or is it a effect of 6L with 2L,7L, and 5L? > Or is it a chart of multiple marriage? > > As Krushnaji mentioned in the post, all planets are getting high > points in WS for 7th house. This can give tendancy extra maritial > relationship. Looking at it I see problems started in end of Ma/Venus > dasa and must have got much worse in Ma/Sun. See points for 5,7,12 in > worksheet for these periods they are all high. I can't beleive how > high points get in Sun antar is it for real? He must have got into > extra marital relation in Ma/Ve and it got out of control in sun > antar so wife left him. Please give your comments/analysis. > > Puneet Dear Krushnaji, Puneet, Manu and List members, Basic Chart Observation. ---------------------this chart Mars is with Venus in 1 sign. Venus is in Aadra and its under influence of Shani (4:10). LoE for 7th is conjoining LoD for 5th (Guru and Venus) are in 1 sign. Moon is in sign of Leo. Lagna and 7th are in 4:10, Moon sign and 7th is in 6:8 and Sun sign and 7th is in 5:9. 6th lord is conjoining LoB, LoA and aspecting House C. 6th lord is conjoining LoE and is aspecting LoD in navamsa. So its afflicting all primary and secondary upchaya sthan or their lords. All the points for 7th are high. A zero due to Mars in 4th. Shani in 5th with low points. Timing of event. ---------------- There is full delay due to Sa and its moderated by Jupiter. There is additional delay due to Mars in 4th house. Marriage happened in Guru antra. Here from all the above observation this is chart for which marriage is due to 12th house matters. Here Marriage is in Gurus antar dasha. Guru is LoE for 12th and LoD for 5th. So its triggering Love and 12th house matters. Points for Guru for 12th house is also 27. The antra after Venus in Mars MD is that of Sa. Sa has 33 points for 12th house, then its Mercury who has less points for 12th. After that came Ketu (Guru), Venus, Sun and Moon. All of them have good points for 12th. Venus and Mars are SD to 2nd lord Guru so again there will be stress during this stage. Marriage also happened in 2nd lords antra so again its showing stress. Then came Rahu/Rahu and Rahu = Mars and 6th lord. Here Mars has only 6 points for 5th house and lowest points for 12th house. This marriage is a marriage of 5th and 12th house. When points have gone down its showing the jatak and his wife have seperated. Marriage performed in SD to 6th lord and 2nd lord and 6th lord afflicting A,B,C,D,E or their lords cant give happiness. This is a chart of multiple marriages studded with worries. As soon as passion from a relation ship will end the person will look for another partner. Krushnaji, please feel free to point out my errors. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Krushnaji, I have tried to answer the question. Kindly let me know my mistakes. The following is the rasi chart of the native: ############################################# asc . sag 16°02' # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # su(4) gem 02°43' # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # mo(4) gem 13°28' # .. ra .. # .. ve .. # .. me .. # .. su mo # ju(5) aqu 15°07' # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # me(6) tau 10°22' ############################################# ve(5) ari 25°11' # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ma(4) vir 09°39' # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # sa(2) leo 21°18' # .. ju .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ra .. pis 11°08' # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ke .. vir 11°08' ############//////RASI//D-1//////############ # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. sa .. # # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ############################################# # // .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. ma ke # # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # ############################################# Nakst[asc-ve, su-ma, mo-ra, me-mo, ve-ve, ma-su, ju-ra, sa-ve, ra-sa, ke-mo] Let us consider the quality of marriage: The 7th lord me is in 6th house and is also aspected by Saturn. The natural karak for marriage, Ve, is also lord of 6th house. These indications are not good for the house of marriage and point to divorce. Let us see when the marriage might have happened. There is no delay due to saturn. The following are the dashas: START........MD/AD...2nd sector...3rd sector...Age -------------------- 10/16/1969 - ju/su - 01/21/1970 - 04/28/1970 - 19.3346 08/05/1970 - ju/mo - 01/14/1971 - 06/25/1971 - 20.1368 12/05/1971 - ju/ma - 03/27/1972 - 07/19/1972 - 21.4701 11/10/1972 - ju/ra - 08/29/1973 - 06/17/1974 - 22.4037 04/05/1975 - sa/sa - 04/05/1976 - 04/06/1977 - 24.802 04/08/1978 - sa/me - 03/01/1979 - 01/23/1980 - 27.8109 12/16/1980 - sa/ke - 04/30/1981 - 09/12/1981 - 30.5022 01/25/1982 - sa/ve - 02/14/1983 - 03/06/1984 - 31.611 There are also no indications of delayed marriage or no marriage. Hence, the marriage might have happened in the antar dasha of ma with ju as MD. Ma has less points for marriage and it is LoE. It is also LoE for 12th house. Ma being placed in sign of mercury, it might have happened in the second sector from 3/1972 to 7/1972 when native was 21 yrs old. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Amitabh, 5th house is used for degrees, 6th for increase in the status and the 10th for profession. You may want to read lesson 28 for this. The fifth house should trigger to obtain any kind of degrees or certifications. If the current antra makes 5th as LoD or LoE then degree or certifications can be obtained. But as indicated in the lessons, you should also look at the intelligence of the person. Krushnaji and Ash will be able to explain this in more detail. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, 2nd house is of wealth, family etc. Worksheet is important as it will give u timing of events. If 12th triggers at the same time also 4th is triggering then person may invest in say fixed asset. If 2nd is triggering and 2nd is higher than 11th then the pesron may invest in bonds, stocks etc. Personality of the person, how much daring he has, moon status, intellegence, points in WS, SAV all should be checked together. Like this you should apply yourself. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , "Manu Batura" <manubatura> wrote: > Hello Krushnaji, Ash, List Members, > > I understand that we can check finance position in an antra by > checking points of 11th and 12th. However, how can we check financial > success of the person during his life. Is there anything besides 11th > and 12th SAV that should be checked. > > I have a horoscope of the person who has never been able to push > ahead in terms of finance despite great pains. Every endeavor failed > subsequently. > > I guess hs9 would also be important in this matter. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu Dear Dadhi, A couple of points as per my understanding. Aquring wealth is different from being born in a wealthy family. I am talking about wealth generated. In short I am talking of 2nd house. Now in this mail you have talked of comparing 10th,11th and 12th house. So effort, income and expense. Wealth is 2nd house. If you are comparing 11th with 12th, ineffect you are comparing income v/s expenditure. If you are comparing 10th, 11th and 12th then you are trying to see the effort put in (10th) as compared to income (11th) and at the same time keeping an eye on the expenses so comparing it to expense (12th). Now if we also see 2nd house then we are checking for 2nd house matters and that could be wealth. So now say you are comparing 11th house to 2nd house and 12th house. So now say if 11th house is triggering and at the same time for example 2nd house points are more than 11th and say 12th house is also triggering so it may mean than the expense is say going towards wealth generation. If 12th house is triggering and say 4th house is also triggering then it could mean expense for 4th house matters like car or home. Yes we can take other charts for study purposes. In the chart that Sameer gave and he has not commented but in his case 4th house was triggering and 12th. He has not commented on my reading as yet for which I am waiting. Multiplication factor is to give an idea on quality as it shows the backing of a sign. About Transit of Ju and Sa is also very important. We must check that also. Actually we must see all 12 houses together. Just as an example say 12th house is triggering and 6th house points are low then it could also mean that one is having expense towards say health bills. These are some guide lines and I also would like to study the same. If we can get some charts and some periods where people acquired wealth then we can study such things in further detail and hash it out. So infact if we can get charts of people who have worked hard and made wealth during certain times rather than being born in rich family would be a better exercise atleast in my opinion. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Swaroopa, You brought your house in Venus antra in Ju mahadasha. Cast your worksheet and you will see the points Ve receives for 4th house is the highest. There is no delay so 1st sector and you purchased it when sun transitted Mars/Mercury sign/nak. Something might have started during Aug 17th-30th and then Sept 13th thru Sept 16th. Can you confirm this. Venus also has high points for all houses. It might have been an overall good period Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Hi, > I bought a site in Bangalore and paid the cost of the land on > 12/12/2002. My DOB:12/12/1970, Place of birth: Hosur, Dharmapuri > district in Tamilnadu (near Bangalore), Time: 0:07:40 (midnight of > twelfth December or early morning of 13th Dec 1970)Would you like to > consider analysis on my chart ? I paid out of savings and loan. > Swaroopa Dear Kamlesh, Check your SAV points in 11th and 12th house. 12th house points are 38 and 11th is 32. Is this expenditure pattern surprising. Cast your worksheet and compare the points of 11th and 12th house. You will see that point of 12th is more than 11th for all house so you will be spending more except in the antra of sun. Last May you were running Ra/Ma. Ma has 11 points in 5th, 13 in 11th and 14 in 12th. Points in 2nd house is also 12 so it can go either way. Back in May Sa and Ju points were 7. Please cast your worksheet and read the lessons. What I have written will become clear. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , "krsham" <krsham> wrote: > > Hi, > > How about this chart: > > DOB: Jan 26, 1981 > TOB: 19:55 > Place: Manila, Philippines > > The subject has incurred a great financial loss in an attempted > venture in speculation last May. He has Ju - Sat - Moon in the second > house and the 2nd lord is in 6th house. He is running Rahu Mahadasa > and Rahu is in his house of expenditures (12th house). > > What will be his expenditure pattern and where will he invest(fixed > assets or liquid cash)? Is speculation advisable for such a person? > How will his financial standing be? > > Regards, > > Kamlesh Hi Ash, > My first application to BDA for the site got rejected in August(the > deposit money was returned then) and I applied a second time in > September. Yes, life has been good for me until now. > Swaroopa Dear Franco, How sure are u of this birth time. Is this chart of male or female ? Is this the first marriage of the native ? Cheers !!! Ash , "franco_well" <francowell@n...> wrote: > > Dear learned list members..... > > What astrological factors were present > on 3-30-1980 supporting marriage for > a person born on 6-30-1949 @ 7:56AM > in Pottstown, PA? > > Namaste.....Franco Dear Franco, Ok. Thanks for the clarification. As per KAS here is my analyisis. Sa is in 2nd house with 0 points. It is aspecting house C (11th house) and Itself is LoB (7th house). It is situated in Karak sthan with 0 points. This gives delay to about 26.5 year i.e on March 5th 1975 Sa crossed 20 deg in Gemini. After that there is additional delay of about 10% due to Sa as he is giving 0 points to karak sthan. So 26.5 * 1.10 = 29.8 years. So marriage will be after this age. Antra running at that time is Mars in Moon Mahadasha. Moon is in Karak sthan and in 2nd from own house. Its with 4 points. So can give marriage in its Mahadasha. Now when delay gets over last part of Mars antra is running. Mars has 11 points for 7th house. Next antra after that is that of Rahu. Rahu is samdharmi to Guru and Mercury. Mercury is LoE. So Rahu will step in as one of the planets is aspecting primary significator house. Now we have narrowed down to Moon MD and Rahu mahadasha. Now narrowing it down further. Here there is full delay and here Rahu is representing mercury who is LoE. So it is very eager to give result. So delay is reduced 2nd sector. Now narrowing it down further we will use suns transit. Here Mercury is strongest significator and rahu is also SD to Mercury. So suns transit over Mercury-Rahu will be the strongest. Sun transits Mercury Sign and nakshtara of Rahu from June 22nd thru July 5th. The marriage was held on 30th June 1980. Death of Mother : March 1990 during Mars/Jupiter. Mars is 3rd lord from 3rd house and antar of planet in House D i.e. Guru in 7th house with 5 bindus. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Franco, Here is the break up Moon Rahu 1979-May-20 1980-Nov-18 Sector 1 1979-May-20 1979-Nov-19 Sector 2 1979-Nov-19 1980-May-19 Sector 3 1980-May-19 1980-Nov-18 I have said 2nd sector is when marriage will take place. I made a mistake the period I took was falling outside the 2nd sector. You can find the probable dates using probable date finder. All these things are given in the lessons. You can download the same and apply it for all events of your life. Cheers !!! Ash Dear Mr. Ash, Yes! They match perfactly. Regards rahul , Ash <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Rahul, > Please address me as Ash. > When there is transfer the the place of work changes, the bosses changes, environment changes and location changes. 6th, 5th,9th house, 10th hosue will reflect that. That is why I picked those antras at a glance. Have you checked if they match. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > Rahul <astro_ra> wrote: > > > Dear Ash Ji!, > > I had last changed my job in may 2000. After that there is no job > changes. Yes Of course change of Places (transfers) are there in this > tennure in the same company. > 1. Transfer to Derahadun in april 2001 to Sep'01 than back to H.O. > 2. Transfer to Delhi in Nov'02 and bach to H.o in Apil'03. > 3. Promoted (without any financial hike) and transfered back to delhi > i in July'03. > > Prior to this I had changed my job in Feb'95 and June'96, > > Jobless period Oct'98 to April'99 > > Joined a job in April'99 and left that Job in Oct'99. Again Jobless > till May'2000. During this Period I had Done some additional > Certification Course after leaving the Job. Hope this information > will help you analysing my chart. > > Is ther any possibility of Change of Job in near future? > > Thanking You, > > Regards > Rahul > > , "ashsam73" > wrote: > > > > Dear Rahul, > > Can you also give the job changes. You might have had job changes > > during ve, me and sun antra's as per KAY. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , "ashsam73" > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manu, Dadhi and list members, > > > > > > This is a very interesting chart. We should discuss it. > > > > > > I have casted the chart using the time given by the native. > > > > > > If Rahul can provide more detail regarding line of work, any love > > > relationships, previous marriages, degree it will help in > analysis. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , "Rahul" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Manu, > > > > > > > > At the outset thanks you for your interest. Sir the > > > > > > > > Lattitude is : 18.46 N > > > > > > > > Longitude is :84.05 E. > > > > > > > > It is in India and hence timezone is +5.30Hrs and No Day light > > > saving > > > > time. > > > > Thanking you again, > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rahul > > > > > > > > --- In , "Manu Batura" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rahul, > > > > > > > > > > Can you please let us know the latitude and longitude of the > > > place > > > > > and the time zone. Also was there any daylight saving time in > > > > effect. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > , "Rahul" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any one please tell me about my financial future and > > > marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > My Date Of Birth is 1st April 1969 > > > > > > > > > > > > Time Of Birth is 17:09 > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth is Parlakimidi. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am more worried about my future. Whether I will have a > > > > > successfull > > > > > > married life. When I will get marry? > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my computer generated horoscope, the strength > of > > > my > > > > > 11th > > > > > > house(ashtakVargo) is more in comparing to strength of > other > > > > houses > > > > > > (which indicates Comforts, Cash in-flow and friends), but > in > > > fact > > > > > > this is not true in my case(I don't have a single friend > > even, > > > > > cash > > > > > > in flow is not good etc.). Is there any chance of getting a > > > wrong > > > > > > report. Is there any chance of getting a wrong > report,because > > > of > > > > > > wrong birth time in some minutes. The Birth time may be > Plus > > or > > > > > Minus > > > > > > 5 minutes. Please Help me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rahul > "Manu Batura" <manubatura> Mon Nov 8, 2004 4:27 pm Re: Query regarding marriage Dear Ash, I tried to analyse Yogesh's chart but I have a query. Full delay is clearly evident in the chart since Sa is in 5th house. His father's death happened in Ve/Ra, Ve is SD to Ju (loa for 4th). Ra is SD to Saturn (highest significator for 4th). I tried to determine the time of marriage. A very good marital compatibility is seen from the chart and it seems to me that is shall be an arranged marriage. However, I am facing some problems narrowing down the event of marriage. It is clear that Sa shall gie the event after full delay that ended on 7/14/2002. However, since Sa is LoE I would have expected that the marriage should have happened in the 1st sector of the antra. I can't understand why it did not happen? Does the time require further rectification? Thanks & Regards, Manu , Jitjag <jitjag1> wrote: > Hi Manu , > > Sorry ... Time of Birth is 7.00 AM and not 7.00 PM ... > > Thank You, > > > Yogesh > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Yogesh, > > Are you sure of your Birth time? > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > --- In , "jitjag1" > <jitjag1> wrote: > > > > Hi Ash and other learned mebers, > > > > As given on main page I am providing following information … > > > > 1) Complete birth data. > > > > Birth date : 5th March 1975 > > > > Time of Birth : 7.00 PM > > > > Birth Place : Malad – Mumbai, Maharashtra, India > > > > > > 2) Education level of the native. > > > > Electronics Eng. passed in 1996. > > > > 3) Means of earning a living, and when the job began. Any change in > > jobs, date of pay raise, etc. > > > > Occupation : Software eng. > > Date of first job : 10-March-1997. > > Change of Job : 01-Jun-2001. > > > > Came to US for onsite assignment on 10-March-2003. > > > > Till Last year every year got promoted to next level. > > > > > > 4) If married then give the date of marriage. Please also mention > if > > it is a pre-arranged marriage or a love marriage. Also, give the > > chart of the life partner. > > > > Not married > > > > 5) If there are problems in the marital life, please specify with > > date. > > > > NA.. > > > > 6) If there are children, then give their dates of birth. > > NA > > > > 7) Specify whether parents are still living. If not, give their > > dates of passing. > > > > Father expired in 04-Sep-1997 > > > > > > Could you please tell me when will I get married …. > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Yogesh Dear Manu and Yogesh, Good question Manu. As per our laws if the delay causing planet is LoD or LoE then it should give the result in the 1st sector. So either both of us are overlooking something or birth data needs further rectification. One thing here Shani is in House E for 12th as B with less points so it may have given some closeness with someone. I would like to confirm this. Secondly I would like to confirm if Yogesh was brought up by someone who is not his mother. Thirdly I would like to Ask yogesh regarding the accuracy of the birth time and the source. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash Dear Raji, 1:7 means the lords are in sign of enemies. 1:7 or 7:7 as some write it means there is a struggle for domination. Yes, Raji, I agree atleast 2-3 points much match if we go verbatim however in this chart there are other factors or you can say psychological factors. a) Venus is too close to sun. She is not the romatic kind. Even might not be comfortable around guys. Please confirm this. If anyone opposes or has any difference of opinion with what she is thinking she might not like that ... b) She might not even bother too much with keep things in proper place or might not be very particular about how she dresses up either. Again can you please confirm this... Now she is very intellegent and she knows it and might think that she is always right. Will not easily accept let alone compromise. She is very independent and either might be (or in time) will rise to prominent position of authority or will do her own business. She needs that space to do things her way. If her bosses oppose her she will not like it or may leave job / jobs. Now again Rahu is aspecting moon so again she will be obsessive about things she does or she will not like to rest till she finishes the tasks she takes up. She is not the emotional kind of person but she would be very sensitive. If the person she dates/marries does not take care she will walk off.... She may look for someone having higher status than her. Also 6th lord is conjoining and aspecting all planets. Now also most planets are aspecting 9th house in such cases the person itself becomes very hard work. She also will not beleive much in superstitions and might want to see things first before accepting/beleive them. Now blessing of father/guru is also very important in any chart. Here Lagna/9th lords are in 1:7. Now venus also has less points for 2nd house. Venus is NK for marriage and its spoilt by being very close to Sun and being aspected by Sa and also conjoins Mars. Here considering all factors I think that this lady might be so busy with her job/autority and working that she may not have time for anything else. If she might be in relationships it might not last long ... I hope others join in this disucssion so that we get some more clarity... This is an interesting chart... thanks Cheers !!! Ash , "raji1153" <raji1153> wrote: > > As per lesson 24, there should be 2-3 points satisfying, right? > I could not find a single point satisfying. > > Considering other lessons like rules for analysing marriage > etc, nothing is metioned about 7:7 relationship between Lagna lord > and seventh lord and for the Lords of the Moon Sign and Sun Sign and > the seventh lords from these. Hence I'm not able to come to a > conclusion at all. > > , Ash <ashsam73> > wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Manu, Dadhi and list members, > > > > I am pasting the degree of planets. > > > > Planet/DegreeNakshatraLordNavamsaAs28 Cp 31DhanisthaMaViSu22 Pi > 27RevatiMeCpMo23 Pi 27RevatiMeAqMa21 Pi 57RevatiMeCpMe1 Pi 42Purva > BhadrapadaJuCnJu11 Vi 40HastaMoArVe21 Pi 49RevatiMeCpSa13 Vi > 10HastaMoArRa14 Cn 57PushyaSaScKe14 Cp 57SravanaMoTa > > > > > > In this chart is there marriage ? > > > > My analysis is > > > > 1) Lagna points are very high of 46. > > 2) lagna/sun/moon is falling in 4 sectors of Sa in d3, d9 and > trishansha. > > 3) Venus to Sun distance is Less than 1 degrees and is aspected by > Sa and it conjoins mars. > > > > 4) As per Lesson 24 (Rules for non maritial status and point 7 and > I quote it says "When Venus and Moon are situated in any 1 house and > Sa and Ma are situated in 7th house from them it gives no marriage" > > > > In this chart Ve (spoilt) and Mo is in 3rd house and its aspected > by Sa from 9t however Mars conjoins this combination. So u get Ve, > Mo, Ma and aspected by Sa. Can this be treated the same or does the > combination HAS to be as its given i.e. Ve and Mo in 1 sign and Sa > and Ma in 7th ? > > > > Can you please clarify ? > > > > 5) DBCE poitns from Sun and Moon are in rising order and all > points of 10th and 11th . Good income and authority, independent, > head strong / adament..... > > > > The native seems to be very adament, egoistic and having a lot of > pride, but practical in approach.. and hard working.. > > > > No blessing of father or guru is in this chart either ... lagna > and 7th lords are in 1:7 again problems with adjusment... > > > > Is there a marriage in this chart considering all these factors ? > > > > Can you please guide.... > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > raji1153 <raji1153> wrote: > > > > > > Dear learned members, > > > > I'm finding the analysis of this chart extremely difficult > > with every planet occupying either the 3rd or the 9th house. All > > rules laid out seem to hold true for this horoscope with planets > > either in association or aspecting each other. Will somebody be > kind > > enough to analyse this horoscope... > > > > Birth Details : > > ------------------ > > DOB : 5th April, 1981. > > TOB : 03:30 AM > > POB : Belgaum, Karnataka. > > Gender : Female. > > > > - Education level of the native - Electronics engineering Graduate. > > - Means of earning a living - Software Professional > > - when the job began - 7th Oct 2002. > > - Any change in jobs, date of pay raise - Switched to a different > > company On 23 Dec, 2003. > > > > - If married then give the date of marriage. Please also mention > if > > it is a pre-arranged marriage or a love marriage. Also, give the > > chart of the life partner - Not Married. > > - If there are problems in the marital life, please specify with > > date - NA > > - If there are children, then give their dates of birth - NA > > - Specify whether parents are still living - Yes. > > - Any accident, or similar event with date - None. > > > > Thanks in advance. Let me mark my answers below. But before that, I would like to say a couple of things about this native. She is the only daughter to her parents, born after a long struggle. Her mother had 2-3 miscarriages before she was born. She led a life of protected childhood all through her teens and college life. Excelled in academics and dance and music. Dance has been her passion. She had to leave home for her first job. Second job took her further away from home. Very attached to parents and home and is now desparately trying for a transfer/change of job to go to hometown. She is quite goodlooking and has a great sense of humour, and hence is very popular among the opposite sex. But yes, guys also feel that their egos are hurt with her statements. She is currently involved in a relationship with her ex colleague. This has been going on since Feb 2003. Her parents however are not favoring this. Guess she's waiting for their consent. There is absolutely no problems from the guy's side, I suppose. But will they wait is yet to be seen. Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to my Briefcase ] Thanks Ash, Ash, I was also thinking about the Mo and Sa in 7th together scenario. Why does this combination delay marriage? Is there an explanation wrt points? One thing is sure the combination gives less AV points to 7th house, only 6 if we do not consider the other planets. However, this cannot be the only reason, since there are many more combinations of mo and sa too that give low points to hs7. For example, mo in asc and sa in 6th give only 5 points. It seems like an 8 dimensional clock (disregarding ra and ke)! with 12^8 combinations (actually not quite since me and ve can't go away from su that much). But then we have divisionals too. Great! Thanks & Regards, Manu , "ashsam73" <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > Its the other way. First you see the chart and see happiness is it > promised in the chart. If there are indications of say multiple > marriages or a seperation then in such cases either marriage will be > in lowest significator and will break in highest significator or LoD > or LoE. > > Worksheet give u strength of planet for all houses. When the event > will happen in lowest points from WS or LoD or LoE from WS or highest > points from WS is our choice based on what we first judge from a > chart. > > So use the worksheet to see overall results and to time but that is > the last step. First u have to study the chart and then use > Worksheet to time. > > Now quality of event is different from timing. > > You can time a marriage i.e. from worksheet. Say you see that a > chart has problems but still there are no laws fitting for a No > Marriage scenario. Then in that case marriage will take place. So > that is timing of event. So if someone asks u. .when will I get > married you can use the worksheet to time it maybe in the weakest > significator. > > Now quality of marriage is differnt issue. Problems may start to > creep in when planets with more points come up and about and when LoD > or LoE or planets in House D or E come then such things will get > enhanced and it MAY break if such things are seen. That is also > timing of an event. > > Similarly for Job, see the nature of person, his intellegence, > capability first, see his lagna points, and also see where lagna lord > is, 6th lord is.. if say lagna lord is in 12th then status of Karak > of A for job is weakened. Such things show us something. At the > same time see if Moon is with Rahu then it can show something about > natore of the person .. see lagna lord in relation to say 9th lord or > 11th lord for boss or friends if they are in 5:9 then its nice person > is friendly can get along if in 6:8 then it can show some issues... > now at the same time say lagna points are over 40 then person can be > very adamenet or sensitive and may break or leave job etc etc.... > > So we need to see all things together. Think over this. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , "Manu Batura" > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > I have one more query. It is dealing with quality of events. > > > > Now the lessons state that the quality of the event and timing of > the > > event are two different things and should not be mixed together. > > > > We also find that when the event takes place in the significator > > having lowest points the results are bad. > > > > So, can we apply this rule that when the karaka is spoilt and their > > are other indications too the the results will be spoilt then we > can > > use the lowest significator to time events. > > > > In this case, we shall be using the quality of the event to time > the > > event but that may be the correct thing to do. > > > > Will this be the appropriate thing to do? > > > > Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji and Manu, > > > > > > Yes, I also feel the same and agree with all your findings. > > > > > > Mars is LoE and its in 11th from 12th house so in upchaya and > also > > > its in 6th from 5th house. So again 5th and 12th house gain > > status. > > > Yes its with Venus who is 6th lord and 11th lord and loosing > status > > > for 11th house. About 2nd sector is also what I think. So I > agree > > > with your findings. > > > > > > Now I would like to confirm IF Moon will not give results. > > > > > > Moon its with 12 points so it can go either way. Studying Status > > of > > > Moon, Moon is in Krishna Pax and in 12th from 8th. So again > > loosing > > > status. > > > > > > Now Moon is SD to Karak Shani at the same time its also SD to > > > Mercury. Moon is natural samdharmi to Mars who is LoE. So > overall > > I > > > feel that it does might not give results. > > > > > > Krushnaji when you get a chance can you guide us regarding if > Moon > > > can give results for timing of events for marriage. > > > > > > I hope Krushnaji can confirm our findings. Also can you confirm > > the > > > sector. > > > > > > Here Mars is LoE and there is full delay. So delay will be > second > > > sector. Here lagna and 3rd are in 5:9 so will the event happen > in > > > 1st sector itself ? > > > > > > If in Moon the event will be in last sector. Is that proper ? > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manu Batura" > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > Hi Ash, > > > > > > > > I tried to see Hema's chart again wrt to marriage. Please let > me > > > know > > > > if there are mistakes. > > > > > > > > I rectified by -5 mins to get sag asc. > > > > > > > > First of all, lord of asc (ju) and lord of 7th (me) are in 5:9. > > > > lord of mo (me) and lord of 7th from mo (ju) are again in 5:9. > > > > Lord of su (me) and lord of 7th from su (ju) are again in 5:9! > > > > > > > > So, marriage points are 90. That is good. > > > > > > > > Ve is in nakst of Hasta. Diff from sun is 7.2 degrees. That is > > good. > > > > SAV of hs1 is 32. (So, as Ash analysed, the native might be > head > > > > strong). > > > > > > > > For B as hs7, Sa is LoA in rasi as well as navamsa. It is also > > > placed > > > > with LoC (ve) in navamsa. > > > > > > > > And as Ash pointed out, Mo is placed with Sa in hs7 in rasi. > > > > > > > > So, I am assuming full delay. > > > > > > > > Full delay ended on 7/14/2002 when native was 27.8 yrs. She has > > > been > > > > in me/ve since then which ends on 8/2/2004 when me/su shall > start. > > > > > > > > Looking at the strength sheet, it seems that it was good that > the > > > > native was not marriage in ve antra since it is lord of 6th. su > > > with > > > > low points (10) may not be able to give results either. > > > > > > > > The next antra is mo. Mo has only 12 points and is afflicted by > > > > saturn in 7th. Hence that too may not give results. Actually I > am > > > not > > > > sure here! > > > > > > > > Anyways, next antra is ma. Ma has 13 points and is LoE. Hence > it > > is > > > > eager to give results. > > > > > > > > So, marriage may happen is Ma antra from 11/8/2006 to 11/5/2007. > > > > > > > > It may happen in second sector since Ju has 5th sight on Sa. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > For finding proper sector I am still practicing it.. > > > > > I will share with you what I have found. If there is a delay > > > > causing > > > > > planet say it can be Venus or Guru or Sa then its last > sector. > > > At > > > > > the same time there is a law that IF THE DELAY CAUSING PLANET > > IS > > > > LOD > > > > > OR LOE then it will give it in first sector. Now this can be > > > > > modified buy Zeroes in SAV. > > > > > We also need to see if say the strong significator is saw > with > > > > Shani > > > > > etc. So I am still practicing such things and hopefully will > > be > > > > more > > > > > confident with more practice. > > > > > I think here again u need to get an understanding first of > the > > > > chart > > > > > and then you can narrow to proper sector. > > > > > > > > > > Say delay causing planets antra is running and so it will try > > to > > > > give > > > > > in 1st sector at the same time there is 1 zero and at the > same > > > time > > > > > say for marriage there lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 it > means > > > > there > > > > > is blessing of father or guru so in that case the event MAY > > > happen > > > > in > > > > > the first sector only. > > > > > > > > > > So such things and again overall chart should be kept in > mind. > > > > Thats > > > > > been my experience this far. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manu > Batura" > > > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, will it be correct to say that sector selection is > used > > > > only > > > > > > when Sa itself becomes the significator. > > > > > > Then, we can determine in which sector of its antar-dasha > the > > > > event > > > > > > happens by the rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, what should we do when sa causes full delay but is > > not > > > > the > > > > > > significator? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash, I will try to analyse Hema's chart this evening to see > > if > > > I > > > > > can > > > > > > figure out the period. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > Sa is delay causing planet and that is clear. > > > > > > > When Ju malefically aspects 7th house or its lord then > > > > > > > that can also cause further delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a law when Guru is in lagna with more > > > > > > > points it can cause seperation or divorse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In such a case it can cause further delay also in > > > > > > > selecting the proper sector. It will cause delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zeores in SAV also cause delay and so does so many > > > > > > > other things for example if venus is spoilt then that > > > > > > > can also cause delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So we should keep all these things in mind. Study > > > > > > > each status carefully. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru in libra can also cause delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to study whole chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For that we need to solve so many charts and it will > > > > > > > come with experience and you will start to get a > > > > > > > feeler on such things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a few more doubts about delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lessons say that Ju and Sa are delay causing > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it that Sa causes delay and Ju checks it or can > > > > > > > > Jupiter can also > > > > > > > > cause full delay when there is no delay due to > > > > > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case how do we measure the delay? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ash > > > > > > > > Sam > > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > > > In that case I would think when it first reaches 0 > > > > > > > > > deg. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was refering to the retrogression of Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > "ashsam73" > > > > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > > > > > How 2 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 16 deg into Cancer so in 2.5 year it > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > hit 16 deg in > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > and 2.5 year after that into Virgo > > > > > > > > ............... > > > > > > > > > > to 0 deg Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the cycle starts from 16 deg Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So only once. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it will be clear now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > "Manu Batura" > > > > > > > > > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. However, sometimes Sa will cut > > > > > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > > > degrees twice. > > > > > > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > > > > > we take the first cut or the second? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > "ashsam73" > > > > > > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry ignore my previous email too.. in > > > > > > > > rush I > > > > > > > > > > made mistake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say Sa is 16 degrees in Cancer. So for > > > > > > > > full > > > > > > > > > > delay caused by > > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be till Shani transits around the > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > and comes to 0 deg > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manu > > > > > > > > > > Batura" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read CAN as LIB in previous mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote: Hello Ash, I really need to get my concepts cleared about delay before sa causes more delay. I have a few doubts:Let us say that a native was born when Sa was in LIB. Now if there is full delay,should we consider then delay to be from the case when Sa moves from CAN -> PIS (0 degrees)or should we consider it to be from the case when LIB ->LIB(full cycle) -> PIS (0 degrees). I have many many more doubts about delay.I will ask them later. Thanks & Regards, Manu In ,"ashsam73" wrote: Dear Manu, Welcome back to the list. With Sagittarius lagna here are some observations Sa is in 7th, House B, It is LoA and it conjoins Venus who is LoC in navamsa so full delay. Guru is in Aquarius sign of delay casuing planet Shani so he cant check delay caused by Sa. So full delay.Please read point 5 in lesson in Lesson 24.Guru also aspects 7th house malefically and this also causes further delay. Cheers !!! Ash New Lesson " Vyavsaya Jatak " ( Occupation ) This is one of the branch of astrology, to determine the favorable occupation of the jatak. Earning and the occupation are two different things. If a person doing the work as per his liking, does not mean that he will earn more. Planetary position can decides the liking of the person, In which subject he can have his liking, in which subject a person can go ahead. How much money he can earn is entirely different thing. From the chart we can find out, in which line a person can utilise his capecity to maximum. A person may be in any occupation, or business, the earning is depends on his DHANYOG. A foolish wealthy person can get respect in the socity. A wise, but poor person donot get any respect in the society. That is the reason every person wants to earn money. Happiness can not be purchased by money, still it is undoubtably true that money is the main intrument to to get happiness. So every body, even a poor or wealthy person, is interested to know that how much wealth I will earn. To be a wealthy person, to get substantial money in life ( unearned money, lottery), or getting substantial money by own efforts, all these things are depends on planetary positions at the time of birth. A person can utilise his capecity to maximum possible. A vehicle speedometer is having speed to maximum may be up to 200 KMH, but a person can drive it up to the speed he can control it. This depends upon the capecity of the person. Same way a person can earn to his capecity. Still there is something different then work. A person gets ample money by the way of will, or by being adopted by some wealthy person, or by getting lottery, Here only the luck factor is responsible. In a perticular business one person gets substential money, and other in the same work looses every thing. Some person all of a sudden gets promosion and becames higher officer, other more capeble person gets redradation. All these are the game of stars. All these things we can read to some extent fron the birth chart, and can be utilised to some limit for benefit. The result of any house can not be determined from the sign in that house or the planets situated in that house. For this we must find the strength of these house and planets. Only the astakvarg system is the most reliable system which gives the correct strength of the planets and the houses. For finding the capebility of the person, we must know his brilliency, his memory, his grasping power. It can be decided, which line will be suitable for the person. The lord of 10th house and its samdharmi planets can guide, which line will be suiatable. This should be checked from the 10th house from Lagna, Sun and Moon. Fourth house indicates the knowedge. Karak for knowedge is Saturn. If Lagna, Sun and Moon are situated in the house owned by Saturn in Navamansha, Trishansha, and Dreshkona charts. If no one is situated in the house of Saturn then the person have sharpness of grasping below average. If in one house, person is some what brillient of average capecity. Two places means above average, and if three places then god memory and sharpness. ( This phenomenon can be used for rectification of the birth time ) Skill of the person depends upon the grasping power. More skillful work requires more sharpness of mind. some of the Work or business denoted by the 10th lord and its samdharmi as fallows: Sun: Then business related to Gold, ornaments, Speculations, Gove Services, Authority, Polytics, executors of any task, Factioory owner etc. Moon : Silver, liquid substances, Drinks, Eatable, Liquid medicines, liquor, Female utility materials, singing and cenema talkies etc. Mars : Militery, Police officer, Sergon, Skilled in opersating machines, buchers, Steel and cast iron work, Weapons and tools manufacturing, Constructional material, Blood and medicines which makes person unconsous are under the control of Mars. Mercury: Printing press, Books, publisher, news papers, post office, courier services, Insurence, writers, students, vehicles, railway, Computers soft wares etc. Jupiter: Civil court matters, Judges, advocates, solisitors, Professors, teachers, School, Colleges, Commercial sea services, transports eating houses, computers hardwares etc. Venus: Art and design works, actors, Dance, music, Pearls, tiolets, perfumes, graded eating houses, nursing homes, sweets makeup materials for womens etc. Saturn: Mines, Minerals, labors, granes, oil, lubricants, Wood, old man, farming, sanitation, all sorts of hard work. These are few works. Now with combinations of two ore more planets, this list can be un ending. After determination of the brilliency, and the suiable line, we should find out the earning, and favourable planets. The Worksheet is very important tool for this. From the work sheet we can find the most strong planet, and most strong house. The vertical total of every planet should be minimum 144, and must get minimum 12 points in 2, 5, 8, 10 and 11th houses. The planet which gets minimum 12 points for all the houses is more powerful. We should not go on the total only. It should not give negative points for any house. Suppose there are two planets say X and Y. Total of planet X is say 175, and that of Y is 150. Planet X is having less then 12 points for 10 and 11. other houses are having more points, where as Y is having minimum 12 points for all the house. Then Y should be treated as more powerful. Similarly We must find the total of the points gained by each planet for every house. The house which gets more then 12 points due to all the seven planets should be treated as strong. The total points should not be less then 84. ( IN MY LAST NOTES I HAVE WRITTEN BY MISTAKE 72, WHICH SHOULD BE CORRECTED.) Points against D,B,C and E houses agains 6th house should be less then 28. For Own work or higher posting these points should be in rising order. If deviation is more in the points of above houses, then it indicates service, or lower work. For higher authority, and for having subordinates under any person, lors of trine and centres should be samdharmi. ( they may be in same navamansha, or same sign.) The occupation can be sujjested for the strongest planets. It must be in relations to the capecity of the person. We will solve charts given by Shree Peterji, so more fundamentals will be clear. Can any body try it? I will give my comments on 23rd. krushna Dear Krushnaji, It is so uncanny, I looked at mine, and it completely describes the various work I do ! Thank you very much. I have one question : To ascertain if one is self employed or working for someone else even if the calculations show them to be in ascending order as in 2, 5, 8, 10 houses, how do I go about it ? With respects, Swee Dear Swee, The houses should be for 5th house = D(2),B(5),C(9) and E (10), instead you mentioned 2,5,8,10. If these points are in asending order, person gets success in A house Karkatva. So 5th house matters, Authority, Educations, Study of occult science, Adhyatmic matters, etc. Person likes to do some social work. This should be checked with Moon also, and mean should be taken. For self employed, or higher authority, we must see points for 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th house of the chart, from Lagna and Moon. krushna Respected Peterji, I have also searched my mail, in which I told about total of the points, But not found. In Feb end and complete march, My maximum mails delayed and might have lost. So I have changed my address. Now My mails are reaching with a click of button. For your reference I am puting it again here. The strength of the planet: The total of all points got by a planet for all the 12 house is considered as a overall strength of the planet. fOR A PLANET HAVING GOOD STRENGTH,It should not be less then 144. More over it should not get less then 12 points for any house. The planet which gets minimum 12 points for all the houses, and total is min 144 for all the houses is said to be benefic planet. Both the conditions should be fulfilled. Such planet will give benefic result. If such planet is 12th lord from house B, its result will be moderated for house B. (This phenomenon is used for Vastu shastra with Astakvarg base.) Strength of the house: The strength of the house is the total of all the planets for that house. ( Total of Row 17 ) This total should be Minimum 84 and points due to each planets should not be less then 12. Such house should be consdidered as strong. All the results indicated by that house can be experenced as benefic. (This is also used for fixing benefic direction of home in Vastu shashtra.) krushna Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008  Dear Ramesh Ji, That was so very kind of you to share these wealth of material for everyone in this group who is willing to learn KAS. Thank you very much. This is great! awesome!! - ramesh mishra Monday, December 08, 2008 10:06 AM Re: Re: Re: Learning KAS Dear Nikhlesh Ji, I am attaching two docs.file for you. Hope this may help you. I had found it out from my pen drive where it was saved. Thanks Ramesh Mishranikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Ramesh ji, Yes, I am going through the lessons. I shall do it with greater concentration now.Actually it happens in all fields that one sometimes get stuck up on simple issues, which otherwise are not difficult.In free time I will try to search in the old mails of KAS.Anyways, thanks a lot for your reply.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Sat, 06 Dec 2008 ramesh mishra wrote :>Dear Nikhlesh Ji,> If you go through the lessons of Donna's website then all your doubt will be clear.> In that there is a separate lesson of Samadharmi.> If there is still any doubt understanding the points then we may clear your doubts but first go through the lessons.> Thanks> Ramesh Mishra>>nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:>>Dear Ramesh ji,>> Many thanks for your prompt reply.>The funda' is becoming clear day by day.>>Now suppose if Ma had 3 points and Me only 2 in Taurus sign then would it be that Me then controlled Ju inspite of Ma in enemy sign.>>The fewer points are important or being in enemy sign is important?>>Just one more point here.......;>>How Ju is SD to Ma ? Infact, can you please elaborate a bit your reply to point 3 below.>>Also when does actually a planet 4th from a weaker one, opposes the weaker one? Or, is it that it does not opppose? I am a bit confued here at the moment.>>Thanks for your time. Such questions came up because you explained it quite nicely.>>Regards,>Nikhlesh Mathur>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 ramesh mishra wrote :> >Dear Nikhlesh Ji,> > As per your query below is the answers of your question.> > 1. Me is with 3 bindus and Ma is with 2 bindus in Taurus for Cp ascendant.>> > This means Ma is weak in 5th house and enemy to house owner.> > Here the weaker planet is Ma so Ma will control Ju and Ju will give points to Ma.>> > 2. No. Only weakest planet controls the planet with>4 bindus placed in 4th house from that planet.>> > 3. No Ju is SD to Ma.If antara of Ju comes first then Ju will step in for giving the result>> > 4.Yes. Explained in 1.> > Others may correct me if I am wrong anywhere.> > Ramesh Mishra> >> >nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:> >> >06.12.2008> >> >Sub : Learning KAS> >> >Dear Group Members,> >> > In continuation with the process of understanding the basic fundamentals of KAS, once again,> >> >My Query is:> >> >For example in Capricorn ascendant, Me & Ma are in 5th house with points BAV 3 & 2 respectively and Ju is in 8th house with BAV 5 points> >> >then;> >> >i) Out of Me & Ma which one will control Ju?> >> >ii) Is it that both of them will have control on Ju?> >> >iii) Is it that Ju will oppose both Me & Ma in its AD?> >> >iv) Will the power of the planets for the houses concerned play a bigger role in deciding which one will control Ju?> >> >Regards,> >Nikhlesh Mathur> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>>>>>>> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Dear Ramesh, Hope you are well. How is your study on KAS is going? Next week I will be little bit free at work and will send you the email about my thoughts on the chart you were looking for Marriage. Over the months, I have collected some of the old archived mails from the group for my study. I am attaching those with this email. Take care Bala Dear Manu and Dadhi, Lets take 1 example from the lesson. Mercury in 4th house : Person lives in rented house ; has a good job. Of course it reduces maritial happiness. How do we come to these ? 1) For Aries lagna mercury is 3rd lord and 6th lord. House and Happiness from home is 4th house. Mercury is 12th lord from B.12th from B is not condusive to the result of 4th this we know.Now Mercury has gone into lagna and it is with more points. So such planets are eager to give results in general case but here there is an exception that is also given in our laws.If 12th from B goes to House D or E then it reduces the results of that house. So here it may give a house but it may be rented. 2nd point. : The person has a good job. Here 3rd lord and 6th lord is mercury. For 6th as B for job, 3rd house is LoD. At the same time Mercury has gone into Karak sthan with more points. LoD in House A with more points so it becomes even more eager to give good job in his antra. 3rd point : It reduces marital happines. Firstly its 6th lord. Secondly its with more points and in lagna aspecting 7th house with malefic dristi. So here it will reduce maritial happiness. So Like this others points can be read in terms of ABCDE houses. I am trying to write in short as I am busy with work.... this is how I started readig.. but I am still learning and hopefully Krushnaji can correct me if I am going wrong somewhere. Like this try to read all other planets and results give. I agree I am not 100% clear on the navamsa part in reference to what Dadhi said and would love if Krushnaji whenever he can comment on the same and give us guidance. Cheers !!!Ash Manu Batura <manubatura wrote: Dear Ash, If it was not Sun or Moon that we were considering, then 7 to 9 houses results can take place. 2 due to placement in D or E. 4 due to lordship of D or E. 1 to 3 due to aspects (can be malefic or benefic). Is that correct? Regards, Manu In , "ashsam73"wrote: Dear Manu,W.r.t your question on finding results for other houses, if you study the lesson think in termsof house ABCDE and u will get most of the answers.The results are for plantes with more pointsin a house.Taurus lagna with Sun in lagna with more points would means 4th lord in lagna with more points. So such a sun will become eager to give results for 4th house and 8th house. Here also Sun will aspect 7th house but its aspect cant be taken as malefic so its good for 7th house and 11th house results being loD and loe. If Sun is in the first 3deg20 and then next 3deg20 so in total first 6deg40 then its in navamsaof Shani (capricorn and aquarius) at the same time if the rising degree is first 3deg20 then navamsa rising will be capricorn and from 3deg20 to 6deg40 it will be in navamsa of aquarius. With our laws we know that Sun/moon/lagna in more sectors of Shani makes a person brilliant. Regarding the Vedic Astrology portion I will defer that part to Krushnaji.Like this you can think for all planets in particular house and for all lagnas.I hope that this gives you some guidance and like I am still learning and trying to undertand lesson 29 and for other lagnas too .I hope that helps.Cheers !!! AshIn , "Manu Batura" wrote:Dear Ash, Krushnaji,I have a doubt in lesson 29. It is stated that the statements are for Aries ascendant. How do we interpret for other ascendants. Should we cyclically rotate the houses as the lagna changes and will the interpretations stay the same?Do the degrees (qualitative) of the features change from lagna to lagna.I mean as vedic astrology characterises people as per their lagna, do we also do the same in KAS?Thanks & Regards,ManuCareer changeRespected Guru's and learned students,I am a new student and find this sight informative. My question is that career related.I left my job on May 28, 2004 to pursue a sales job. I am not happy with my decision and am wondering if I will find a suitable job in the near future. I am including my chart below for your reference. Any feed back would be much appreciated.Warm Regards,DebbieNatal ChartNovember 18, 1963Time: 10:33:00Time Zone: 8:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 121 W 29' 36", 38 N 34' 54"Sacramento, California, USAAltitude: 20.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Shobhana - Nija KarthikaTithi: Sukla Tritiya (Ma) (75.48% left)Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (5.27% left)Yoga: Sukarman (Ma)Karana: Taitula (Me)Hora Lord: Mars (5 min sign: Ge)Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Cp)Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Mars)Sunrise: 6:55:27Sunset: 16:46:29Janma Ghatis: 9.0646Ayanamsa: 23-20-52.47Sidereal Time: 14:15:21Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi NavamsaLagna 19 Sg 45' 48.74" PSha 2 Sg ViSun - DK 2 Sc 21' 14.86" Visa 4 Sc CnMoon - AK 29 Sc 17' 49.26" Jye 4 Sc PiMars - AmK 24 Sc 12' 35.13" Jye 3 Sc AqMercury - PK 10 Sc 15' 03.42" Anu 3 Sc LiJupiter ® - PiK 16 Pi 39' 55.02" UBha 4 Pi ScVenus - MK 23 Sc 07' 50.16" Jye 2 Sc CpSaturn - BK 23 Cp 46' 08.47" Dhan 1 Cp LeRahu - GK 20 Ge 17' 47.06" Puna 1 Ge ArKetu 20 Sg 17' 47.06" PSha 3 Sg LiMaandi 22 Aq 02' 13.70" PBha 1 Aq ArGulika 7 Aq 24' 06.50" Sata 1 Aq SgBhava Lagna 26 Sg 35' 20.59" PSha 4 Sg ScHora Lagna 20 Aq 58' 35.16" PBha 1 Aq ArGhati Lagna 4 Le 08' 18.87" Makh 2 Le TaVighati Lagna 9 Sc 56' 57.44" Anu 2 Sc ViVarnada Lagna 19 Sc 45' 48.74" Aswi 1 Sc LiSree Lagna 0 Sg 46' 58.85" Mool 1 Sg ArDhooma 15 Pi 41' 14.86" UBha 4 Pi ScVyatipata 14 Ar 18' 45.14" Bhar 1 Ar LeParivesha 14 Li 18' 45.14" Swat 3 Li AqIndra Chapa 15 Vi 41' 14.86" Hast 2 Vi TaUpaketu 2 Li 21' 14.86" Chit 3 Li LiKaala 20 Ar 32' 59.70" Bhar 3 Ar LiMrityu 25 Sc 01' 09.57" Jye 3 Sc AqArtha Prahara 11 Sg 39' 41.22" Mool 4 Sg CnYama Ghantaka 0 Cp 45' 58.57" USha 2 Cp CpDear Debbie,Please cast your chart using Krushnas ayanamsa. Then our antras willmatch this system.You can find out the value from the worksheet in the file section onKrushnas ayanamsa.Here Venus in your chart is LoE for Job and Venus is placed in 12thhouse where Venus gets enhanced. Venus is also placed in its dhansthan i.e 2nd from 11th house.Moon is with Ketu in lagna and getting 7th aspect of Rahu.You have 42 points in 10th house as compared to 32 points in 11thhouse. So a lot of effort you must put in to make income or might begetting lesser returns as compared to the effort you put in. Lagnapoints are 24 so u have an adjusting nature.Moon with Ketu in lagna though the distance is greater than 15degrees will have effect. It will make u obsessive and passionate.Venus is also with Mars and in 12th house. Venus is very close tomars and they also come together in navamsa.There is full delay for your marriage but its moderated by Guru. Soyou might have met around 1985/86 i.e in Venus/Saturn antra as perKrushnas ayanamsa.Death of your husband is clearly seen. Mahadasha of Sun who is 3rdlord from 7th and in Antra of Jupiter who has the highest points for2nd house caused seperation.Death happens in antra of highest points and Jupiter has highestpoints for 2nd house.You are back in relationship again since in Moon/Shani antra. Checkshanis points for 5th and 12th.Coming to your job and change of job. You are in Venus antra. Venushas less points though its LoE for 6th house. At the same timepoints of venus is less in 11th house, 2nd house, 3rd house, 5thhouse, 6th house (LoE), 10th house, 11th house and 12th house.Since Venus is LoE it will give u job but no satisfaction from it.Income. More effort needed. However you will be optimistic and tryto look at the brighter side of things.Due to your moon being aspected by Rahu you may take things to theextremes due to obsessive nature. Moon is also with Rahu innavamsa. 3rd house points are less in this antra so try not to looseyour cool quickly.Shani and Guru's points are 8. So its good. You will make ends meetin some way or the other.Oh, you have the blessing of Guru or Father. This blessing will helpyou overcome difficult times. This is very powerful.The guys you date or are with in relationship u will love truely andwill be practical about things.Period between 2001/01 thru 2002/08 might have been worry some foryou. Might have had some toothaches and might have had some peopleat work trying to spoil your name.I am out of time...Can you comment on my analysis please.Cheers !!!AshDear Ash,I have a few questions. Can you kindly let me know what is thebehavior of ve in other houses also. Also Ash, isn't it correct thatdhan stan is 2nd from lagna? Why was 11th house chosen in this case.Thanks & Regards,ManuDear Manu,2nd house from any house is the dhan sthan of that house.Venus is in 2nd from own house in this case Venus owns 11th house.Thanks,Cheers !!!AshDear Anil,I do not have much time however I did see your chart quickly. Youjust finished antra of Venus who has 11 point for 6th house but is inHouse D for 6th as B with 4 bindus and is 2nd lord. So defnitely itwill give u a lot of worries.Sun antra just started. It has good points for 6th but its still has12 for 11th and 17 points for 12th. So its showing more expensesthan income. Again Sun is in 2nd house with 5 bindus so again itwill be a period of worry but more stable for job.You also may have a strong desire to do business.About your family joining you if that is depending on you getting astable job then sun antra is upto 2005/01/30.Then comes moon. Moon is showing some change in job for you in ketumahadasha. Even Shani and Jupiter points are 7. So overall periodof planet in 2nd house with more points, Sa + Ju points less than 8,more expenses than income is the flavour about Sun.Also its good for childbirth if you are trying.Cheers !!!Ash , "anil"<anilmunjanattu> wrote: Dear Mr.Ash, Let me request your help to locate the time where I can live with my family. I married in November 1997. Now I am at Middle East. Because of inconsistency of job, I could not bring them with me so far. Kindly see the period if I can settle down in my job and join with my family. DOB: 15th May 1967, Time: 5.58.25 am 76E16 9N58 (Cochin) India Wife's DOB: 10th June 1974, Time: 5.17.40 am 76E16 9N58 (Cochin)India Regards, anilDear Manu,10th house is for authority and 6th lord in 10th with more pointsmakes one "allergic" to authority.. so might cause her to "rebel" orgo against the advise of say elders or father or someone who hasauthority over her like elders or father or parents. Again Guru inin its uncha sthan so more multiplication factor. This is alsocoupled with 35 bindus in lagna along with close aspect of rahu onmoon.In female chart you check both 11th house and 5th house forconception.Cheers !!!AshIn , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote:Dear Ash,You have given interesting points to think about. There are so many factors that indicate problems.Also, the influence of rahu on moon to a close degree also indicates that she might have taken a crazy decision.I could not understand two points:1. 6th lord in 10th. How does this effect?2. For conception I think you are refering to 11th lord.Is that right? Does 11th house rule conception.And if the 11th house is weak does it mean that there shall be problems in conception?Thanks again for your points.Thanks & Regards,ManuIn , "ashsam73" <ashsam73> wrote:Dear Manu,Here are a few observations I think you can understand these If I just write them in point form.1) 1 zero due to Mars in 12th2) Lagna points 353) Moon aspected by Rahu with with 7th dristi (differnce < 4 deg)4) 6th lord in 10th5) Guru in libra6) Venus to sun distance > 43deg20 and its aspected by Shani and Shani aspects a luminiary.7) Venus in Moola.8) Me and Ma is in House D for 7th. Me is 12th lord and LoD for 12th and Mars is LoD for 5th and 7th lord and is situated in 4th house and are SD.9) 6th lord aspecting 2nd house (family)10) All planets are affected by 6th lord. Ketu also is SD to 6th lordThe time asked was for 20/5/1998 that falls in antra of Venus.From above points its showing multiple relations. There is no delay and for her to leave or elope there must be strong attraction.She might have come close the guy in Ketu antra. Ketu is in House E for 12th.She also has high points in lagna and moon afflicted by rahu.Venus antra lasts from 1998/02 thru 2001/04.Its in 3rd house so it is also triggering 6th and 10th house. Can you find out if she took up a job during this period.Yes, Venus also has less points for 2nd house it has 11 points so showing less happiness from family.If this lady eloped during the begining of Venus sector there is also chance for conception in Venus antra as Ve is LoD for 11th and with 20 points for 11th.In any case it was good exercise.Cheers !!! AshIn , "Manu Batura" <manubatura> wrote:Dear Ash, and list members,I was informed that the girl ran away with a poor boy of low character causing immense grief to her family.It might be a good exercie to see why this happened from her chart even if it is a post analysis.Thanks & Regards,ManuIn , "ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote:Dear Manu,Did matters of 6th and 10th trigger. The native might have got some award or recognition or a change in job.Awating your answer.Thanks,Cheers !!! AshIn , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote:Hi,My friend forwarded me a chart.The following are the birth details of a girl.1/31/1979, 0:14am, Pune,IndiaASC: Lib 9:48Can you describe what event happened on 5/20/1998?I think it is a somewhat difficult exercise.Thanks & Regards,Manu Dear Manu,Did matters of 6th and 10th trigger. The native might have got someaward or recognition or a change in job.Awating your answer.Thanks,Cheers !!!AshDear Denis,House A i.e. FK for 9th house is 4th house. 9th house includesFather. It also indicates higher education, Guru, Fortune amongtsother thing. Now NK is Moon (4th house in kalpurush) chart. So NKgoverns the overall health of 9 house which includes father. Alsoremember we need to check functional karak too i.e. 4th house in Rasichart.There are different school of thought. We follow 3rd for mother and9th for father. I think this discussion was held in the past betweenKrushnaji and Das Guptaji. You can look up on the archives for theactual reasoning. If I get time I shall try to find it and post youthe link.Now for Death of Father we consider 4th house as B. For naturaldeath of father we check for highest points in 4th house just like wedo for natural death for self from 8th house points, for death ofspouse from 2nd house (8th from 7th house).Sun is Natural 5th lord. If you will notice keenly its Karak for10th house for power, authority. 5th house is also the House ofCrown. 5th house is kinda overall in charge of health of 10thhouse. Another way of looking at the same phenemon.. 5th house isalso of degree or "Gain of Knowledge" i.e. 2nd house from 4th. 4thhosue is of knowledge and 5th is gain or wealth of it. Now if youget a good degree or a higher degree i.e. stronger is the 5th house..you have more chances of getting a more "Authorative" job.... i.e.10th house automatically becomes strong... when such thing happenseven LOD and LOE get a boost. House "A" denotes the Quantum.That is why we start this theory with "A" and then go to "B" and soon. If "A" or Natural Karak and along with that if Functional Karakis spoilt that is "A" from your chart then sometimes even lords ofHouse D and E who are eager to give results their power diminishes....So try to see things from the view point of "A", "B","C", andsamrudhni sthans "D" and "E".Hope that helps.Cheers !!!Ash , Labour� Denis<Laboure@W...> wrote:> Dear Ash,>> It will be helpful. I have a question about this theory.>> According to Krushna, the father is in the 9th house. For the 9thhouse, the 4th is the house A. So, Moon is the natural karaka for thefather. There is an inconsistency somewhere. Should the father be inthe 10th house, the Sun should be the natural karaka.>> What is your understanding of this point?>> Thanks a lot> Denis>> -> ashsam73> > Monday, August 04, 2003 1:27 PM> My Personal Meet WithKrushnaji - An Experience to Share>>> In another discussion I had with Krushnaji, he explained in short> that there was a huge theory behind House A,B,C and D and E. Hehad> received one of the highest jyotish awards in the India and alsowas> offerend a PhD for his system by Sri Lankan University and he was> offered to fly there and receive the honour but due to thesituation> beyond his reach he was not able to go and receive the Doctorate.Dear Denis,Dymocks tests do not give past events. I do not know what is thebasis for the time and its rectification. So I am not too keen onthat. I am sure others members may be. I prefer to predict more oflife events rather than find out when lightning struck or if someonewon a lottery or when someones dog died !!! but that is MYPREFERENCE. For now I am more interested to learn the Ashtakvargsystem more thoroughly. Maybe in future I may take part in suchtests but for now I want to focus on understanding the system in moredetail.I do not understand your question about being confused on timing ofthe event.Follow this procedure.1) Select the correct antra based on the worksheet for timing ofevent. I am sure you can do that with whats taught.2) Next step is break the antra into 3 equal parts.3) Try to find the correct 1/3rd sector that the event will fallunder.4) Even if you consider Venus/Venus Mahadasha/Antra then max antraperiod you will get for the 1/3rd part is 13 months and 10 days andfor Sun/Sun it would be 3 months. So basic range will be from 3months roughly to 13 months roughly.5) Now from that you can pick up the strongest significators and sunstransit over it as you have said (or weakest significator for badevents). If you consider antra the leave that and take the other 2periods and make a list of dates.6) Things in India are done during good Mahurat. So after that see agood mahurat for the event to happen. For example when Sun is in Leolike now then people generally avoid marriages.. atleast till endOctober or early November that too you would have to find a properMahurat. I specificially do not know the reason or the philosophicalreasoning for this but this is how it is and a lot of people in Indiafollow that. Even if 20% of people follow that in India I thinkthats more population that entire Europe... !!!7) I think if you follow procedures upto here you can narrow down theevent to a few dates or even events upto 13 days either way.8) If you further want to go in deeper then I think we will have towait for Krushnaji to give us more lessons on that. I think tillthen we can practice what we have learnt so farFollow these steps and see how much success you get. All thesethings have been given in the lessons.Now coming to the worksheet about Sanjay. In my convesation withKrushnaji he was using yours and Sanjays worksheet. Sanjaysworksheet is CORRECT and I have not worked with yours but sinceKrushnaji also uses it I assume its CORRECT.In fact I had put in the check for 6th lord in 6th house andKrushnaji told me to correct it and he confirmed that What Sanjay haddone is CORRECT. So I went and changed my logic. So be rest assuredthat the the work you and Sanjay have done is proper.For timing what you and Sanjay have done is Proper. Now second partit to see the effect. If you read Krushnajis email to Margarita forChildbirth and Samdharmi recently you will see how hes consideredpoints for Jupiter to be 14 instead of low. THAT IS WHAT YOU SEESEPERATELY. So there is no anomalies.Hope that clarifies.Cheers !!!Ash Dear List Members,Here was one question Krushnaji had asked me when explaining 4:10theory. I thought it was interesting.... So here it is..Assume the following scenario.1) Lagna : Libra and Mars is in 4th house (Capricorn) with 5 bindus.2) Lagna : Leo and Mars is in 4th house (Scorpio) with 5 bindus.Assume that for Marriage i.e. House B = 7. How will Mars react forboth cases.Hint : Here as per our laws Mars is in House D with 5 bindus and cangive marriage in both cases but what is the difference i.e. overallresult ? How will such a Mars act ?Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshDear Ash,I am a silent member but I have been following the discussions sinceKrushna started this list and I try to apply the principles in real life inorder to see how they work. I cannot participate actively because I readthe contributions during my working time. Also I am not a professionalastrologer.As to your question:For Libra lagna, Mars rules the 2nd and 7th houses.These are related tomarriage.Moreover Mars is exalted and occupy house "D" with 5 points. Since,it is located in the 10th from the 7th( Aries-Mars). The spouse shall beworking mostly for himself. This may mean that he will have egoistic mannerand will pursue his owns interests at the expense of the married life.For Leo Lagna, Mars rules and is placed in house "D" with 5 points. It isalso located in the 10th from the 7th. Mars is sandharmi to Sun, lagna lord.This should lead to a more balanced married life.Please correct me if I am wrong,Cheers,Pingodear philippei would like to add in whatever you hv mentioned. forleo lagna-ascendent ,MARS IS the lord of4th house andthe 9th house,so it is RAJYOGKARAK for leolagna.although some importance-effect may get reduced,being badhakesh.( for lagna 2-5-8-11 lord of 9thhouse)with regardsdeepak--- philippe bonin <philippe.bonin@w...>wrote:>> Dear Ash,>> I think that in both cases Mars can give marriage> but it is aspecting 7th> house. In the case of Libra lagna, Mars is not lord> of D nor E and its> aspect on 7th house has a value of -5. In the case> of Leo lagna Mars is lord> of D in D with more points and its aspect on 7th> house can't be bad. So if> my understanding is correct the result should be> better in the case of Leo> lagna. Please correct me if I'm wrong.>> Best regards> PhilippeHello Ash,Thank you for wharing this question. Yes, Mars can give results for bothand Mars has also aspect on the same houses. So here it's a question of"quality" of the marriage meaning that Mars is different for Libra thenfor Leo ascFor Libra asc Mars is the lord of the 2nd always creating problems. Aworrysome lord that aspects 2 marriage houses or gives marriage in hissub is worse than one that is lord of 4th and 9th. which is the case forLeo ascBest regardsMargaritaDear Margarita, Philippe, Pingo, and list members,All of you are close there is one more subtle difference. YesMargarita a slight subtlity and yes its got to do with Quality.If someone ask about "Timing" in both cases Mars can furnish theresult.What will be the quality ? There was a post by Krushnaji on thispart ...Very good churning of thoughts....If it helps.. I answered in a smiliar way and I also could not thinkof it..... and Krushnaji had a smile on his face and had told me tothink again.... he he he...One more thing.. this point will make readings even more better....Keep on thinking.. Good job guys..Cheers !!!Ash Dear Deepak,We already consider ALL yogakaraks in this system indirectly.If you read the lessons on Samdharmis and read in detail on part ofNatural Samdharmi you will understand this part.Even of Shani and Venus they are yogakaras for each others lagna...so in this system they become natural samdharmi and can step in forthe other... i.e. if one is a strong significator and if it cant giveresult for some reason or the other like its period is far away andif the other gets the opportunity it will furnish the result...Shani and Venus are Natural SamdharmiMars and Sun are natural samdharmiMars and Moon are natural samdharmi.If the antra of say Mars was far and if Sun came in first it wouldfurnish the result.. there is an exception that if Mars and Moon orMars and Sun or Venus and Shani were in 1:7 position then They do notbecome Natural Samdhamari.Hope that helps,Cheers !!!Ash hello Ash,I see you smiling when messages come in. Well enjoy the twistings ofour minds.Now for Leo asc Mars IS LOD so the result of house B depends on thisMars in Scorpio.For Libra asc Mars is IN D being lord of A and D so here Mars can giveresults for "timing" the event of marriage but it will be Saturn LOD whowill decide on the "quality" of the marriage.Well, am I on the right track ???Hear from youMargaritaDear Margarita,You are kinda on the right track.. but its got more to do with4:10 ... think.. )Cheers !!!AshDear listmembers participating in trying to solve the 4/10 puzzle.,I transmit part of my conversation I had with Ash on the web. He helpedme out and I thought everybody could profit from it. Of course thesolution is obvious, I just wasn't able to put the pieces together....Here it comesashsam73: if MARS with 5 bindus is in 4th house what will it to do 7thhouse ????margarita: it's harming that house of courseashsam73: Perfect !!!ashsam73: Mars with 5 bindus WILL GIVE MARRIAGE BUT WHAT ABOUT QUALITYmargarita: BAD QUALITYashsam73: YES YES YES !!!ashsam73: so how can u interpret it..ashsam73: hve u got my chart ? open it.. i will demonstrate it... quickyashsam73: Venus is with 3 bnidus so it will OPPOSE 4TH HOUSE, its planetand HOUSEashsam73: mars in sco in 4th house.. CANNOT HARM 7TH HOUSE as it's LOD.BUT in case where Mars is exalted.. it is not LOD or LOE so it will give-5 to 7th house AND oppose 7th house.. due to 4:10; and since Mars is inexaltation.. power will be felt as 5*1.4 = 7 bindus ( 1.4 ismultiplcation factor)margarita: YESSo, we see how this problem illustrates different things we learned :1. lords of D and E don't harm house B2. planets in own house or exaltation lose their quality as LOD and LOE3.Planets oppose the 4th house and planets in that house (depends on thebindus)Best regards to allMargaritaDear Krushnaji,Margarita and list members,Just to add to that..and clarify something..In both cases Mars can give marriage, but the quality will bedifferent.Scenario : For Mars in Capricon with 5 bindus and in 4th house-----------------------------1) Mars in capricorn in 4th house with 5 bindus will cast a dristiof -5. (It will be FELT like -7 due to the fact that Mars is inCapricorn).2) Since Mars is with 5 bindus in House D as per our law given inlessons it will act like LOD and will furnish the result and theresult will be felt is like +7 (due to it begin in its exaltationstate so use multiplication factor of 1.4 so its 5 bindus * 1.4 isthe FEELING and not to be considered for timing). Also such a marswill aspect 11th house i.e House C and House B.3) Now we know that Mars has 3 dristis so such a powerful mars willbe good for house its placed it but will cast dristi of -5 (feltlike -7 this part we need to consider in your mind)4) Also we need to consider the fact that such a Mars with 5 binduswill oppose 7th house but help the 1st house.. i.e planets with highbindus OPPOSE house from them and help the house in 10th from them..and that too being exalted to effect "Felt" will be of higher degree.5) So interpret such a result... Yes such a Mars will give marriagebut it may also take it away or cause a seperation ... or basicallyoppose 7th house matters and results felt will be with POWER due toit being exalted i.e. felt like after multiplying by 1.4.Scenario : For Mars in Scorpio with 5 bindus and in 4th house-----------------------------1) Mars is in own sign Scorpio in 4th house with 5 bindus so its inHouse D and itself is LOD so *though* it has 5 bindus it CANNOTcast -5 bindus and reduce the result of House B i.e. 7th hosue andHouse C i.e. 11th house. Infact its result will be felt is muchbetter due to fact that its in own house and Multiplication factor is1.22) Such a Mars with 5 bindus cannot oppose 7th house and it will alsohelp the 1st house. Also notice that LOE is also natural samdharmito Mars. i.e. House E is Cancer and its lord is Moon. So D and E aresamdharmis.3) So results felt by such a Mars will be beneficial. Here due tothe fact that Mars is in own sign its multiplication factor is alsohigher so overall good results for Marriage.Krushnaji, Please feel free to correct me if I have missed out on anyother vital point.Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash Hello Tushar,Sorry for the delay, was busy.Now, if you are following the system, you will see that death of father(with Krushna ayanaamsa) is in Saturn/Venus. july 1985Father is 9th house, death of father is 8th from the 9th = 4thVenus is LOC and LOD for the 4th and has 31 points in the worksheetMain dasa lord is lord A or the Sun and Sun is in Saturn's nakshatra.So here we see the relationship between mahadasa lord and LOAchanging job for the better was again in Venus antar (Mercury/Venus) inseptember 2000Venus is house LOD and C for the 10th, she is also in D. Venus scoreshigh agin for 10th and 11th.These events match with the chart so I suppose it's correct. I askedKrushna to have a look at this chart. You will also see that we havehere again Mars in Capricorn for Libra asc. Here of course Mars has only4 points and collects the points from Venus but nevertheless Marsexhalted in Capricorn will oppose the 7th house of marriageHope you got it ??Best regardsMargaritaTushar wrote:> hello margarita>> according to sugession I have tried to findout any> major event of his life but there is not much. I could> find only two major events in his life.>> (1) He lost his father in July 1990> (2) He changed his job with the change of city in> September 2000 and find considerable difference in job> satisfaction as well remuneration.>> rest part of his life does not contain any major> incidence of event>> I hope this may help>> regards,>> Tushar Dear Margarita,I just went through the chart. I think there is something not right.The death of father was not in Shani/Venus but in Shani/Rahu and inJuly 1990 and not July 1985.Change of Job was in Sept 2000 in Merc/Venus as you have said.Points in 12th are low i.e 11 and Shani is LOE and venus is itsnatural samdharmi so it may step in. So this move should be a happymove. Venus is LOD for 4th house so again eager to give 4th housethings. Points in 5th house is high and so is 6th and so is 10th and11th. So this event sort of fits.. but death of father.. I am nottoo sure..Rahu represents Mars and Shani. Shani is LOE for 11th house.. so itshould give life... so I am not too sure of this event.. however Imay be wrong..Still am not convinced of the accuracy of birth time.Thanks,Cheers !!!AshDear Krushnaji, Margarita, Donna and list members,Margairta, thank you very much for writing this up I reallyappreciate it. I shall try to make this as simple as possible forthe members and hopefully it will be of least effort for Donna. Itwill be nice though to add just simple diagrams or charts.I shall try to elucidate this thing further for the list members andKrushnaji please feel free to correct if I have not understoodanything correctly which can be a possibility.Uptill now if we focus and understand the lesson we can predict thecorrect antra. There has been a lesson on narrowing down thingsfurther.In addition to this and if possible we can add this part to theexisting lesson with a few diagrams or charts to demonstrate someimportant principles.Philosophy and approach to narrowing down to the proper 1/3rd part inthe antra:---Lords of D and E are always EAGER to give results. Lords of D and Eare special in this system. Lord of D is 10th from the house underfocus and Lord of E is the 6th house from the house under focus.So when they get an opportunity the try to give result quicky and onthe double.We all know that Shani is the delay causing planet. Now also Guru isa delay causing planet. Guru can delay things due to it being slowmoving planet. This was covered in the lesson for delay in marriage.A Specific law :-----------------If the delay causing planet is also the lord of D or E and if in ITSantra its causing the event then the event will happen in the first1/3rd part of its antra.Example scenario.-----------------1) Libra lagna, Shani in 5th in Aquarius. LOD is Capricorn. NoZeroes in SAV.Here assume that Shani is causing Full delay i.e. upto 27.5 years.So as per lesson so far if there was full delay for the event thenevent would take place in the LAST 1/3rd part or sector of the antra.Now if here for example for Marraige, Shani is causing full delay butShani itself is giving result due to it being LOD then in Shanisantra the event will take place in the 1st 1/3rd part or sector ofshanis antra.2) Scenario 2 - Libra lagna, 1 Zero in SAV and Shani in 5th.In this scenario is similar to first one, except there is 1 zero inSAV. In this case, Shani due to the fact that its LOD will try togive the result in the 1st 1/3rd part of its antra BUT there is 1zero in SAV to this may push the event to 2nd part or the 2nd 1/3rdsector in the antra OF LOD ONLY.3) Scenario 3 - Libra lagna, 2 Zeroes in SAV and Shani in 5th.Again similar to scenario 2 but here there are 2 Zeroes in SAV soevent will get pushed to 3rd 1/3rd sector.These things we must keep in mind when narrowing down to the proper1/3rd sector.Another Concept---------------Say for a particular planet points are low and its a period ofdifficulty or emmense struggle for a native. The after that antraanother antra starts which is very good for all houses. Letscontinue with the example of marraige. The antra in the past wasvery difficult overall and assume a new antra has started which isvery good overall and can give the event.Then in such a case it takes time for the new antra to was out theold antras difficult period.. just like when one is sad and then onewatches a comedy movie .. it takes some time to get into the "fun"mood and then start to laugh...In such a case give the event 2nd 1/3rd sector.. and leave the 1st1/3rd sector for it to "kinda get in the mood phase".This part what I have written, Krushnaji can you please check thispart and correct me if I had not understood you correctly.I request List members to look at their charts and verify the same.If they feel that their charts will help other list members learnplease feel free to post the chart and the event with the proper dateand we can see how these laws fit and if not then we can try to studythe reason behind it.Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , margarita lettens<dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Hello Ash,>> Hello Donna,>> I had a conversation with Ash where he explained the finesses about> delay. I thought it could be interesting to put this on the "files> section" so members who become interested can find it there in thefuture.>>>> When Saturn aspects houses A,B and C for an event, we know thereis> full delay.>> Let's take an example Libra asc and Saturn in Aquarius, the 5^thhouse.>> (perhaps we could draw the picture here)>> Now this delay is modulated according to the following laws :>> But in this case Saturn is also LOD (lord of D) and eager to giveresults.>> If the event ( marriage) takes place in the delay causing planetand if> this planet is LOD or LOE, then the event will take place in thefirst> 1/3 part of the antar dasa>>>> Now imagine that there is 1 zero in the SAV table, then the delaywill> be moved to the 2^nd part of the antar dasa.>>>> Suppose there are 2 zeros in the SAV table, then the delay willmove to> the 3th part of the antar dasa.>>>> With this in mind we will be able to come much closer to the timingof> the event.>>>> Jupiter can also act as a delay planet because he is slow movingand can> aspect either one of the houses A, B or C or their lords.>>>> The same is true for the other planets.>> Suppose Venus is giving an avent. Venus is fast moving so the eventis> going to happen in the 1^st part of the antar dasa. But 1 zero inthe> SAV table will move the event to the 2^nd part and 2 zeros to the3th part.>>>> It would be great if Ash could bring eventual corrections or more> explantation and if Donna then could put it in the files sectionafter> having submitted it to Krushna to make sure everything is correct.Dear Philippe and List Members,There were some points that I had got confused which during myconversation with Krushnaji got clairifed and it made a lot of sense.I shall try to put down what I can think of so that its out here onthe web. Based on this we can look at the charts that Philippe hasgiven.Quality of Job--------------This you can see through planet placement in the chart.What kind of profession------------------------1) This you can see from 10th lords from Lagna, Sun and Moon andthier placements in Navamsa and its lords can show the inclination ofthe person.2) Even planets in 10th house from lagna, sun and moon with highbindus their positions in Navamsa also can give the inclination.3) DBCE points i.e. 3:6:10:11th house points to be seen. If they arein ascending order then business is indicated or high authorityposition like CEO. 3:6:10:11 in ascending order shows the grace ofthe Karak i.e. 1st house which deals with nature and personality. Soin order for a person to do business he must have the personality,daring etc. 3 > 6 > 10 > 11 means good parakram or courage (3) moresocial status (6) more authority (10) and even more returns i.e.income (11) and this is for Karak i.e. house 1. Hence 3:6:10:11shows the grace of House A which is lagna.4) MOST IMPORTANTLY .. REFER TO LESSON ON OCCUPATION ANALYSIS FROMFILE SECTION.This is for timing.------------------Starting of a Job.As we know that starting of any Good event happens in the strongestsignificator or its samdharmi or LOD and LOE.6th house is for Job. If you ask a question Why 6th house for Job ?The answer lies here. For everything we start with House A. Its themost important. House A as we call it Karak house controls thehealth of House B.So if we consider Job, it means starting of INCOME which is 11thhouse. So if we consider 11th house as B then House 6 becomes HouseA. So that is why we consider 6th house for INITIATING OF INCOMEmeaning Job. If you think more closely for ANY event house Acontrols the quantum and the overall health. If House A is weak forany reason then the overall Quality of House B suffers and even HouseD and E as they are special in this system as they are always eagerto give results also indirectly become weak. Krushnaji had advisedme to study House A very carefully and I guess thats why we start thescheme of ABCDE with the Karak house as first house to See and henceA.For TIMING we refer to worksheet and then decide. What kind of jobetc we can see from planetary position. We should also keep thispoint in mind.So start of any job i.e starting of income we check stongestsignificator for 6th house or LOD or LOE or samdharmi to strongestsignificator.We also should consider Desha, Kaal, Paatra too just like finding aproper age for getting a job can be after 18 years or so.. or in someplaces lesser then 18.. my point being if the antra of a strongsignificator is runing at the age of 4 years old the kid cannot do ajob.. so some common sense should be applied too...lol..NOW AFTER U SEE THE STARTING OF JOB we then MOVE over to 5th housepoints.I asked Krushnaji, Why 5th house ? He replied that why did I select6th from Job so I said cause its Karak for 11th house. Now he saidafter you get a job what do u get. I said Authority.. and then theanswer was clear. Authority is 10th house and Karak for Authoritywas 5th house (being 8th from 10th house) in the same way 8th from11th house (income) was 6th house.So if planet then has low points for 5th house then that could showups and downs in job. You can then go in finer using Transits of Sunetc to narrow down details.. but for now its just high level tounderstand why we are using such houses as step 1.Also think of it this way, if House A "authorises" then House B eventwill take place. The more stronger is House A more higher "quantum"will the result of House B will be.Another thing we also need to see is the Points difference between11th and 12th house in the worksheet for each Antra.If points of 11th are lower than 12th [NOT SAV BUT FOR EACH PLANET]then it means that during that ANTRA expenses will be more thanIncome. Also study 10th house similarly as compared to 11th and 12thand it will show the effort one puts in that antra for the income hereceives........ THIS PART IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT.For example .. Higher is the degree (5th house for degree) thenperson will have more change to get a HIGHER AUTHORITY job (10thhouse).Krushnaji, can you please add your comments if I am confused aboutanything that I have written here.With this in mind we can take some charts and start to study for Job,Job Changes.So if List Members can share some charts with event dates we can seeif it follows this chain of high and low points for 6th, 5th, andalso look at 10th, 11th and 12th points as per the worksheet so seeif someone changed jobs for better prospect etc.Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshDear Krushnaji and List Members,This was a chart that came to me from a list member.The question was "Why am I having cash flow difficulty from the past3-4 years but it seems to be getting better ?"This is the data. I think a little rectification might be neededwhich I have not.. instead I am going to ask the list members to makean attempt to time the following.Data of the Native :March 8th, 196717:40 IST26N1773E04India.1) When did this person marry ?2) He had 2 children 1 boy and 1 girl when were they conceived ?3) Is this gentleman doing business or is in service ?4) What is his profession related to ?5) Why was he having cash flow problems for the past 4/5 years butseems to be improving now?Krushnaji, a few things need clarification on this chart.1) I attempted this chart as a blind analysis, got the antra rightfor point 1 however did not get the correct 1/3rd sector right.2) Got point 3 ok however point 2 was not very clear w.r.t firstchild birth being a boy.4) Did not get the profession right.5) Was not clear on point 5 and I specifically thought this chartmight be good for studies for me as well as list members to seetrends..6) The native has 1 zero point in 9th house so its not clear aboutchildren...A few more questions...I shall wait till list members attempt this chart.Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash dear ash,attempt to work out timings.1) marriage might hv taken place before30--10--1993. guru/guru2)if marriage has taken place as above 1st childbefore 30-10-1993. ( boy?)2 nd child between 12 05 1996 to 18 08 1998.3)might be doing service cum business. teachingprofession--but subject might be related to ART.4)financial difficulties (jup/ketu--jup/ven )jupiter located in 12th house and lord of 5th houseand 8th house.with regards,deepakDear Deepak,Very good attempt. Can you please give reasoning and justificationfor these things so that list members understand.Can you also give a more specific answer for marriage ? Before30/10/1993 is vague..I am not gettign what system are you using.Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshDear Ash,I'm making an attempt on the chart you gave.As for marriage, Venus is conjunct to Saturn and in Saturn's navamsa. It isaspected by Jupiter in rasi and navamsa although the aspect in rasi isnegative. So I would say moderate delay (around 24 I guess for India).Rahu/Mars seems good because Rahu is samdharmi to venus NK and Mars is LODfor 7th house. The end of Mars' antra seems compatible with delay so itcould be the beginning of 1991.As for children, Jupiter is NK and is in 12th house (A) with 6 points, soits mahadasha is good. It is LOE for XII with good score and in house A forV with more points so could give conception for first child. Mercury is LODfor V with acceptable score for XII and good score for V so I thinkMercury's antra also gave a child.Now for job as III, VI, X, XI are in ascending order (though not strictlyascending) I think he could have his own business. Mercury and Sun areaspecting first house, this is often an indication for job linked to hightechnology, computers... We also find Venus (10th lord and 10th lord fromChandra lagna) and Mars (10th lord from Surya lagna) in Saturn's navamsa,which could denote technical ability.As for cash flow problems, I don't understand why the current antra (Moon)is bringing better results because it has low points for 2nd house.Mercury's antra didn't seem good (because Mercury is conjunct to first lord,12th from II), nor Ketu samdharmi to Mars and Venus (which have low pointsfor II), and Venus isn't better. As for Sun, it is first lord afflictingMercury second lord by conjunction.Well, just an attempt...Best regardsPhilippeDear Philippe,Its not just only an attempt but a brilliant one !!!!!You will realise why I said that once I give the answer. I shallwait for a bit more before others try to attempt before I give theanswer.Care to go into a little more details i.e. get the right 1/3rd sectorfor marriage and child birth (conception) now that you have selectedthe antras...There is also a very important factor for the reason why the nativefaced financial difficulty and I know you know it, you are just overlooking it. Hint Follow Shanis transit and look at SAV points...Very very Good... Looking forward to your response. You should try toselect the proper 1/3rd sector and make an attempt in that wayreasoning and understanding will get cleared for the procedure.Hint for marriage, Check where Mars is placed w.r.t. ownership ofhouse, yes its LOD but where is it placed w.r.t. House D ???Think over these points.... I think you can get it right on the dot..Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshDear Ash,thank you for your feed-back. I'm not comfortable yet with the 1/3rdportions of antras but I'll make a try.As for financial difficulties, I think I see your point: from April 1998 toJune 2000 Saturn was transiting Aries where it gets 0 point. Aries is inninth house ie house A for II=B (financial questions). It shouldn't havebeen good. So maybe it improved when Saturn's transit in Aries ended.Now trying to narrow down the timing of events, as for marriage, Mars is inSaturn's navamsa but aspected by Jupiter. So it could give 2nd 1/3rd portionand it would be earlier as I thought.For first child's conception, Jupiter is slow moving but in sign and navamsaof Moon which is fast so maybe first 1/3rd portion??For second child, Mercury is in Saturn's sign and navamsa but is LOD for Vso maybe 2nd 1/3rd portion ?I don't know if my reasoning is relevant nor if I used the indications yougave me properly.Anyway, it's fine to do such exercises.Thanks and best regardsPhilippe Dear Philippe,One more thing, check which planet is giving 0 to 9th house. And thething is that it will affect the karaktwa of the planet thats giving0 i.e. no support from that planet.If Shani is giving 0 points to 9th house then in the chart checkShani hold karaktwa for which house. Those house will not help...About 1/3rd part, consider the follwing,1) Check what the delay is if its moderate then 2nd 1/3rd sector, ifits early then 1st 1/3rd sector and full then last 1/3rd sector.2) After checkign point 1 then check the planet giving result. Ifthat planet is LOD or LOE then its very eager to give result. So itwill try to give immediately as antra starts.3) After that check if there are any zeroes. If 1 zero then even ifits LOD or LOE so ideally it would be 1st 1/3rd sector but now itwill move to 2nd 1/3rd sector... if there are 2 zeroes then it willmove to 3rd 1/3rd sector.There may be slight variations of these rules.. but lets go withthese for now and other variations will come out with more practice.Its not that complicated.So make an attempt with these rules and see. Practice will onlymakes things clear.Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshDear List Members,Can members who have had multiple job changes or major financial upsand downs or something like huge hike in pay due to change of job ormay have lost a lot of wealth or income suddenly for some reason orthe other.Can List Members come forward with such charts if you have any withthe following data.1) Date Of Birth2) Place of Birth3) Time of Birth4) Country of Birth and DST if applicable.5) Job - From and through datesOR5) Financial ups or downs - From dates and Through dates.6) Overall feeling of good fortune or bad like for example"Someone may experience this for about 15 years of good / bad fortune"Some Past events to verify the charta) Marriage dateb) Date of birth of childrenc) Sickness / Accidents if anyd) Death of any relativee) Misc dates if you can think of any that may help.I would like to study such charts in detail and discuss them on thelist using Ashtakvarg System.Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshDear List Members,I would like to submit my chart for this analysis. I am a real estate salesperson and have been trying to use ashtakavarga system to analyze when sales come. I have dates of when contracts were written and dates when I was paid. My information is as follows.Date of birth: June 1, 1966Place of birth: Kansas City, MO Time Zone 6 Lat: 39 N 06 Lon 94 W 34Time of Birth: 2:11 am CSTUnited StatesStarted selling Real Estate in February of 2000 until now I receive large sums of money but very sporadically. Past EventsMarriage date: 10-20-1990 Birth of Children:3-16-19844-12-19892-2-1992 Had a major accident on 12-9-1995. Suicide of my half-brother on 1-1-1996Dates when I have written contracts this year are as follows:5-10-20032-11-20033-28-20035-30-20036-10-2003The year of 2002. I had very little income, this year has been better but still up and down. Thank youStacey Dear Stacy,I just casted your chart and tried to match the events of yourmarriage and child birth. Except the first child none of the eventsmatch.I am getting your marriage in Moons antra that has -1 points. Alsoits aspecting house B so itself has no power to give results.First child conception in in Merc antra i.e. 4th house lord who isLOE so that fits.2nd child's conception july 88. Now if conception happend in Venusantra i.e. very end then Venus is LOD for 11th house so conception ispossible if it happened in Suns antra then Sun has only 6 points inworksheet for 11th house so venus antra is ok.. but sun though karakbut hmm..3rd child's conception is may 1991 i.e. in Mars antra. Mars againhas only 7 points for 11th house and is aspecting House A forconception house i.e. 11th house as B so 6th is A and mars aspectsit.How confident are you of your time of birth Stacy ?Thanks,Cheers !!!AshDear Stacey,You were married in 1990 but you had children in 1984/03. Now If Iconsider *that* as your marriage date then it falls in Mercury'santra and that has highest points for 7th house and it fits.I guess things are more straight forward in India.. as compared tothe west... I guess..I am just not getting proper reasoning for 3rd child. Krushnaji andMargarita, can you confirm if Mars being LOD for 5th house can itgive conception for a Female chart ???1) DBCE points are in ascending order so Business is indicated.2) 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Sun,Shani.. (does it point to real estate ??)3) lagna, sun and moon in 2 spots in navamsa, drekkhan and trimsamsain sign of shani so good intellegence.4) High points in SAV for 1st house.You started your business in Venus antra. Using Krushnas Ayanamsaaround the time when mahadasha changed so karaktwa of Shani gettingover and that of Mercury starting. So idea must have come duringthat time to do something on own.At that time MErcury antra was running and Mercury is with 5 bindusand in 3rd house so its very eager to give results for 6th and 10thi.e. (4th and 8th fom itself as its in House D of 6th house with highbindus and House E of 10th with 5 binds).So due to this fact you might have kept your job. Points in Mercuryfor 10th , 11th and 12th hosue are 17,15 and 4. MErcury is LOE for11th and LOD for 10th so eager to give power and Income and at thattime expense might have also been low so more savings.Then came Ketu antra and ketu is samdharmi to Guru and Mars. AgainThis antra will have mixed results. Mars is 2nd lord so Ketu antrawill also have stress, unessasory tention or tooth aches. If younotice the following10th 11th 12th pointsMercury 17 15 4Mars 8 8 4Guru 6 18 10So here Ketu represents Mars and Guru so there will be on an averagemuch lower results in "quantum" as compared to Mercury antra thatmight have been fantastic..... can u confirm the same please..Now Since 2000/12 thru 2003/20 the native is running Antra of Venus.Venus is in 2nd house with High points. This will bring stress asbeing placed in 2nd house with high points. Such people with planetsin 2nd with high points it might cause false accuasation also.Since it has high points it will boost 11th house but Oppose 5thhouse so native will have to work harder in this antra but incomewill be there..Antra 10th 11th 12th pointsMercury 17 15 4-----------------------------Mars 8 8 4Guru 6 18 10-----------------------------Venus 19 18 10So compared to Ketu antra it will definitely be better at the sametime person may also have to work harder than Ketu antra for theincome. Expenses will be about the same.For 11th house (income) high planets getting high points areMercury, Guru and Venus. Ketu represents Guru and Rahu representsVenus. So when sun transits House and Sign of these grahas betterresults for "income" can be expected.Points of Venus for 11th houseSu Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa6 8 7 15 18 18 5-- -- --Based on that lets study the dates keeping in mind that venus antrais running.1)5-10-2003On 10/5 i.e May 10th Sun was transitting Sign and constellation ofVenus and Mars. (Venus has 18 points)2) 11/2/2003 i.e Suns transit into Shani and Mars (does not fit)however if it were between Feb 20th and March 4th then sun would havetransitted Shani and Rahu and Rahu = Venus... so again that wouldfit.... [Can you confirm about this contract was there any revisionor re-writing ??]3) 28/3/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Jupiter and Saturn (Guru has highpoints)4) 30/5/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Sun (Venus has highpoints)5) 10/6/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Mars. (Venus has highpoints)So in this way you can check how Venus is appearing and Guru isappearing... going forward when Sun transits Gemini or Virgo alsosome better results as Mercury also has higher points...If you study your lifes income trends then you will notice thatwhenever sun transitted Signs or Nakshatra of Mercury, Guru, Venusand Constellations of Rahu and Ketu you might have got someingpositive for income...On the same token if you also notice difficult times for income canbe when Sun transits Sign of Sun, Moon, Mars and Saturn and excludingconstellations of Guru, Mercury, Venus, Rahu and Ketu.There is a lesson on probable date finder in the file section you candownload the same and find out the probable dates... and times forachieving success.Assuming your chart is correct this can show you how to approach this.Now another thing you can check... is this1)5-10-2003on 10/5/2003 total points were 198.2) 11/2/2003 total points were 198.3) 28/3/2003 total points were 222. So higher level of stress asantra of 2nd lord is running4) 30/5/2003 total points were 187 so much more relaxed but felt thatu had lesser control...5) 10/6/2003 total points were 191.. so things were upbeat ascompared to 30th of May but more stress too.....Can you please confirm the same...Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshI have tried to answer your questions in Caps below.Stacey Hoffmannashsam73 [ashsam73] Friday, August 22, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Request for Members - Submit Charts for Job/Financial Analysis Dear Stacey,You were married in 1990 but you had children in 1984/03. Now If I consider *that* as your marriage date then it falls in Mercury's antra and that has highest points for 7th house and it fits. I guess things are more straight forward in India.. as compared to the west... I guess..YES I LEFT HOME AT THE AGE OF 16 DUE TO PROBLEMS WITH FATHER.I am just not getting proper reasoning for 3rd child. Krushnaji and Margarita, can you confirm if Mars being LOD for 5th house can it give conception for a Female chart ???IF MARS AND VENUS HAVE EXCHANGED PLACES, CAN MARS BE SANDHARMI FOR VENUS?1) DBCE points are in ascending order so Business is indicated.2) 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Sun, Shani.. (does it point to real estate ??)3) lagna, sun and moon in 2 spots in navamsa, drekkhan and trimsamsa in sign of shani so good intellegence.4) High points in SAV for 1st house.You started your business in Venus antra. Using Krushnas Ayanamsa around the time when mahadasha changed so karaktwa of Shani getting over and that of Mercury starting. So idea must have come during that time to do something on own. At that time MErcury antra was running and Mercury is with 5 bindus and in 3rd house so its very eager to give results for 6th and 10th i.e. (4th and 8th fom itself as its in House D of 6th house with high bindus and House E of 10th with 5 binds). So due to this fact you might have kept your job. Points in Mercury for 10th , 11th and 12th hosue are 17,15 and 4. MErcury is LOE for 11th and LOD for 10th so eager to give power and Income and at that time expense might have also been low so more savings.YES I DID KEEP MY JOB FOR A WHILE AND EXPENSES WERE LOW AT THIS POINT.Then came Ketu antra and ketu is samdharmi to Guru and Mars. Again This antra will have mixed results. Mars is 2nd lord so Ketu antra will also have stress, unessasory tention or tooth aches. If you notice the following 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4Mars 8 8 4Guru 6 18 10So here Ketu represents Mars and Guru so there will be on an average much lower results in "quantum" as compared to Mercury antra that might have been fantastic..... can u confirm the same please..YES, EXACTLY RIGHT. STRESS WAS HIGHER, EXPENSES WENT WAY UP, AND BUSINESS WENT DOWN.Now Since 2000/12 thru 2003/20 the native is running Antra of Venus. Venus is in 2nd house with High points. This will bring stress as being placed in 2nd house with high points. Such people with planets in 2nd with high points it might cause false accuasation also.Since it has high points it will boost 11th house but Oppose 5th house so native will have to work harder in this antra but income will be there..Antra 10th 11th 12th points Mercury 17 15 4-----------------------------Mars 8 8 4Guru 6 18 10-----------------------------Venus 19 18 10So compared to Ketu antra it will definitely be better at the same time person may also have to work harder than Ketu antra for the income. Expenses will be about the same.For 11th house (income) high planets getting high points are Mercury, Guru and Venus. Ketu represents Guru and Rahu represents Venus. So when sun transits House and Sign of these grahas better results for "income" can be expected. Points of Venus for 11th houseSu Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 6 8 7 15 18 18 5 -- -- -- Based on that lets study the dates keeping in mind that venus antra is running.1)5-10-2003On 10/5 i.e May 10th Sun was transitting Sign and constellation of Venus and Mars. (Venus has 18 points)2) 11/2/2003 i.e Suns transit into Shani and Mars (does not fit) however if it were between Feb 20th and March 4th then sun would have transitted Shani and Rahu and Rahu = Venus... so again that would fit.... [Can you confirm about this contract was there any revision or re-writing ??]FINAL DATE ON THIS CONTRACT WAS REACHED FEB. 13TH 3) 28/3/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Jupiter and Saturn (Guru has high points)4) 30/5/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Sun (Venus has high points)5) 10/6/2003 i.e. Suns transit into Venus and Mars. (Venus has high points)So in this way you can check how Venus is appearing and Guru is appearing... going forward when Sun transits Gemini or Virgo also some better results as Mercury also has higher points...If you study your lifes income trends then you will notice that whenever sun transitted Signs or Nakshatra of Mercury, Guru, Venus and Constellations of Rahu and Ketu you might have got someing positive for income...On the same token if you also notice difficult times for income can be when Sun transits Sign of Sun, Moon, Mars and Saturn and excluding constellations of Guru, Mercury, Venus, Rahu and Ketu.There is a lesson on probable date finder in the file section you can download the same and find out the probable dates... and times for achieving success.I HAVE ONLY DISCOVERED THE LIST 2 WEEKS AGO AND AM STILL GOING THROUGH THE LESSONS. I HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THIS LESSON YET. Assuming your chart is correct this can show you how to approach this.THIS IS THE BIRTH TIME ON MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE. I HAVE NOT RECTIFIED IT YET BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IT NEEDS RECTIFICATION.Now another thing you can check... is this1)5-10-2003on 10/5/2003 total points were 198. 2) 11/2/2003 total points were 198.3) 28/3/2003 total points were 222. So higher level of stress as antra of 2nd lord is running4) 30/5/2003 total points were 187 so much more relaxed but felt that u had lesser control... 5) 10/6/2003 total points were 191.. so things were upbeat as compared to 30th of May but more stress too.....YES THE LEVELS OF STRESS YOU MENTION ON EACH OF THESE IS CORRECT.Can you please confirm the same...Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "Stacey Hoffmann" <spaceyhoff@e...> wrote:> Dear List Members,> I would like to submit my chart for this analysis. I am a real estate> salesperson and have been trying to use ashtakavarga system to analyze> when sales come. I have dates of when contracts were written and dates> when I was paid. My information is as follows.> Date of birth: June 1, 1966> Place of birth: Kansas City, MO Time Zone 6 Lat: 39 N 06 Lon 94 W 34> Time of Birth: 2:11 am CST> United States> > Started selling Real Estate in February of 2000 until now> > I receive large sums of money but very sporadically. > > Past Events> Marriage date: 10-20-1990> > Birth of Children:> 3-16-1984> 4-12-1989> 2-2-1992> > Had a major accident on 12-9-1995. > Suicide of my half-brother on 1-1-1996> Dates when I have written contracts this year are as follows:> 5-10-2003> 2-11-2003> 3-28-2003> 5-30-2003> 6-10-2003> The year of 2002. I had very little income, this year has been better> but still up and down. > Thank you> Stacey Hello Stacey,Welome to the list. I saw Ash did a good analysis about your chart. Asyou are learning, i thought it interesting to point out someparticularities in your chart that are important in the system1) Saturn has 6 points in the 1st, quite exceptional (i mean having 6points)2) Mars has 8 points in the 1st house3) As there are 3 planets in your 3th house they boost your firstbecause they all give points to the 11th from their position, so your1st house becomes strong which gives a stubborn nature, you know whatyou want and are a fighter4) check sub periods of mars 1975,1991, they were probably moredifficult because Mars is lord of the 2nd5) Moon is with mars and in mars navamsa, so more daring and quick decisions6) lords of 1st and 9th have 2/12 relationship; this indicates thetroublesome relationship with your father 2/12 relationship means"separation"7) relationship between 1st and 3th are 3:11; this meaans betterrelationship between you and mother or more understanding8) as points in the 1st are higher than in the 7th, you tend to dominatein a relationship unless your husband also has high points in his firsthouseWell these were just a few thoughtsHope to read you often of the listGood luckMargaritaHello Ash, Stacey,3� child born 2nd february 1992 in Saturn/Mars. Conception was also inSaturn/Mars.I think for female chart we should look at both houses 11th and 5th, butalso at 12th and at the father's chart.Mars is LOD for the 12th and for the 5th. Mars has 13 points in the WSfor the 5th but Mars can also act for samdharmi for Mercury who is astrong planet for childbirth in this chart. I think this is why it gaveresults.All contracts stated where in Saturn/Venus. Venus has good points for3th, 6th and 11th houses, so it seems that contracts signid in 2003 weremore profitable than those in 2002In 2002 Jupiter was in Gemini (5p)and in Cancer (4p); Saturn was mostlyin Taurus(4p) and by the end of the year in Gemini(2p).From this I deduce that the beginning of 2002 was more favorable thanthe end of the year concerning contracts.But as this is a new topic, I'm not too sure about that. but it seemsthat 2003 is not a bad year.Note that the sub period is changing by the end of october 2003.Best regardsMargaritahi group,I have been a silent member watching/reading the postings for thepast one year or so. I post my birth chart for analysis:DOB: 29.04.1957 TOB: 00.20.00 (midnight of 28th April) POB: BangaloreAsc: Capri,Sun, Moon, Venus, Merc®, ketu: AriesMars: GeminiJupiter®: LeoRahu: LibraSaturn®: ScorpioI was hit by thunderbolt like financial scam in April/May 2002 whichengulfed many of the co-op banks in Maharashtra/Gujarat of WesternIndia. I was running Mars Dasha - Saturn bhukti when I was tossedfor a six. I could find no logical/rational explanation for beingthe victim and resorted to looking for other explanations such asastro phenomena etc.Can the enlightended group members go through the chart and clarifywhether the thunderbolt was foretold and if I could have minimisedthe impact if known in advance.thanx and regardsnarayan Dear Narayan,I went through the chart.1) The antra u were running during April/May 2002 was that ofMars/Shani.2) Check Shanis points. It has weak points i.e. less than 12 for thefollowing houses. 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12th house. For 5th houseit has 12 points so border line and can go either way. Here Shani isLOD for 5th and 4th house so its trying to give better results for5th house so there will be ups and downs in terms of continuity ofjob.3) Now Most important. At the time of April/May 2002, Shani wastransitting Taurus in your chart thats 5th house and Moon is giving 0points to it. So is it surprising that you faced troubles. At thesame time Guru was transitting Gemini and in your chart its giving 4points. So total of Guru + Shani = 4 points only.4) Shani is also the lord of 2nd house so you will face a lot ofstress and worries. This is aggrivated with Shanis transit overhouse with 0 points.5) Using this system its very clear.By the way just to clarify Birth Time1) Were you married during 1983/06 thru 1983/09. i.e. Suns antra.2) Possible conception of children during 1984/07 and 1985/06 i.eantra of Sun. Using krushnas ayanamsa.3) Other possiblities are in Shanis antra i.e. 1986/04 thru 1987/03(LOD for 5th house) and Venus (LOE) i.e. 1988/06 thru 1989/06.Can you confirm the same,Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshDear Narayan,The possiblilty of releif comes after March 25-30th 2003. This willstart to look little better. Worries would get little better after12/2002 but much more difference will be felt after March 25-30th2003 but still. If you had a job it will get smoother/more stabilityafter end March 2003. Relationship with wife that was also understrain will get much better and you will get family happiness andmaybe some luxury like car or home too...Please confirm,Cheers !!!AshHello Narayam,Welcome , I see you casted the chart yourself but didn't use our ayanamsa. With Krushna's ayanamsa Jupiter goes to 0�12 Virgo and will receive sight of Mars with -7 points. ; this affects the quality of Jupiter and Jupiter is FK and NK for the 5th = speculation; he's also NK for the 2nd, house of wealth and the FK for the 8th house, also related to money. This just to point out how the ayanamsa can change the outlook of the chart .I wanted to point out that you take quick and daring decisions and act without too much hindsight; this makes you more vulnerable to losses. This trait is seen through the fact that the Moon is in Mars sign and Ketu nakshatra. Moon is also in Mars navamsa. Look how many times your Moon turns up in Mars sign in the div charts !!April/May 2002 was indeed the last part of Mars/saturn. Saturn as lord of the 2nd house (12th from the 3th) is considered as less good for health and general well being.Saturn can act for itself but also as natural samdharmi to VenusVenus is the 12th lord for the 11th (income)and also LOC for the 12th(losses) If you look at the points for Venus in the WS you will see that it gives more losses than gains.But let's focus only on Saturn to keep things simple.First let's look at the points for Saturn in the WS; its points for income ar rather low, so it cannot give favorable results.Look at the transits of Jup and Sat. for april and may 2002These transits happen mostly in Taurus, house with 19 points only; this is low indeedJupiter was in Gemini (more precisely in nakshatra of rahu)were it has 4 points,Saturn was in Taurus (more precisely in nakshatra of Moon) were it has 2 points,Let's only consider points of Jup and Sat 4 + 2 = 6; points should at least be 8 to give favorable results "if" the points of the sub planet in the WS are more more than 12 which is really a minimul.Note that the Moon has 0 points for this houseMars entered Taurus in april Sun, Venus,Mercury, all passed through this sign and the Moon did that twice.To conclcude think also about the following : You had Saturn transiting in Aries(2000), especially over de Moon and in 2002 were still under influence of this Saturn transit. Look how many points Jupiter (previous sub) has (in WS) for the 1st house(-3) and points of Saturn for the 1st (9). If we consider the 1st as "general well being" these points indicate much stress and fatigue so perhaps much risks or bad judgment during rahu and jupiter sub was responsible for losses during Saturn sub.Any feed back is welcome, we're all still learning, so don't take this as "ultimate truth"Best regardsMargaritaDear Ash and Margarita,Thank you for both for wonderful analysis and kudos to you both forthe prompt reply.Referring to the analysis of Margarita, I confirm that I take veryquick and spontaneous decisions (regarding money as also investments)and many times regret later. Regarding ups and downs in job duringthe period in question, many times I thought of change of job, butpresently am sticking to the present job.Referring to the analysis of Ash, I confirm that situation easedafter Dec. 2002 and and became much smoother after March 2003. But Iwish to add that the ease of tension is more of mental attitude, buton the ground level the chances of recovery of investment is stillremote. Yes, I again confirm that domestic bliss has improvedconsiderably after March 2003. I have car since 1998 and yes, I havemade investment for construction of new house during the period, buthavent moved so far.Regarding sun's antra for checking the correctness of birth time, theperiod 6/83 to 9/83 is not correct as I didnt have any marriage orgirlfriend during that period. But the period 7/84 to 6/88 is righton the target as I had a serious love affair and had physicalrelationship, but it didnt result in conception. To give the correctdate I will say that the love affair started on or about 25 Feb 85and lasted till Dec. 1995 or thereabout.I did eventually get married on 26.08.2001 (yes, very late marriage)and had birth of a baby daughter on 24.07.2002. My father passedaway in the last week of Oct. 1989 (on ekadashi day, 4 days prior todiwali).So I request the group, particularly Ash and Margarita to explore thechart further and analyse the same.With greetings and regardsnarayanDear Narayan,Thank you for your feeback.I studied the dates you gave and all the dates did fit with thesystem.1) I had made a error in typing .. the second period in which yourrelationship started was Rahu and Not Sun. The antra period give wasright. Rahu is in the 10th which is LOE for 5th (love) and Rahurepresents Venus (LOE for 5th) and Jupiter (LOE) for 12th house oreager to give bed pleasures.. so it fits as per what you say. Beingin House E for 5th house it can also give childbirth. Again bothcharts have to be considered and stopping child birth is in oneshands.2) The period I gave for ease of tention is *for mental period*because of Shanis transit. Shani is 2nd lord, transitting over ahouse with 0 points. A 0 in a house reduces results of that house.There could be blot on your name during that period and full periodof worry and tention. All this aggrivated by transit of Saturn whoholds karakatwa for 6th and 7th house matters so bank money related(6th house) or partnerships etc.. 5th house is also of Speculaiton asMargarita correctly pointed out.. and a Zero there is reducing that.So once Shani moves out of 5th and when Shanis antra gets over youwill feel more relief and mentally.3) Again if you see your marriage using this system it happened inMars/Guru and Guru is LOE for 7th house so it fits properly. Gurucannot give conception as he is weak for 5th house if you see thepoints in the worksheet.4) As soon as Shanis antra kicked in in Mars man conceptionhappened. Shani is LOD for 5th house i.e. lord of 2nd house. Sothis also fits.5) About home also see the worksheet and see the points that Mercuryis getting. I beleive that will give the answer.Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshHello Narayan,Ash covered all topics nicely.Did you notice that Jupiter is strong for certain aspects ofrelationship.(having an affait and marriage came under jupiter)There was just the death of the father that wasn't covered. Accordingthe ayanamsa we use this was during Moon/MoonFor this event we look at the 8th from the 9th = 4th house.You see Moon has 5 points for that house and Karak is Mars who issamdharmi to mainlord Moon; this also fits nicelyMoon, according to points in the WS, can give resultsBest regardsMargaritaHi Ash and Margarita,I went through the lessons and couldnt resist making about aprediction about my chart for change of job and/or change of place.I surmise I am due for change of job (for the better!!) and residenceduring January/February 2004.Can u please confirm??thanxnarayanz1e1b1r1a wrote:>> Hello Narayan,First let's get the sub periods right, at least then we are talkingabout the same time period.Mars/Ketu will start on 18 november 2003 and Mars/Venus will start 15thof april 2004.For the moment you are still in Mars/Mercury.If you casted the chart with another ayanamsa, you will have other datesKetu will act for Mars, Sun and Jupiter. Ketu will be in house D for the7th and in house E for the 11th.For job related questions we look at the 6th house, for authority at the10th , for income at the 11th.For change in residence, it should be the 9th house here as you are notgoing abroad.Note all these houses are taken as "B" .Could me tell you about your reasoning so I could follow betterBest regardsMargaritaDear Narayan,Please use proper Ayanamsa as per this system then our antras willmatch then we can all be on the same page.Also please cast the worksheet and then you will be able tounderstand what we are saying about why certain things happen incertain antras only and from there we can go and narrow it down topin point dates. Its a long process but lets go one step at a time.1) For Job Change there is not just one House we must see. 6th housewe take as B for job. 6th house holds karaktwa for 11th house. Sowhen we say to time someone getting first job then we place House B =6th house. Generally highest points for 6th house or LOD or LOE orplanets in House D or E i.e. 11th of 3rd house with High points i.e.> 4 bindus are more eager to give job in their antra.2) After you get job then you shift focus to 5th house. Why ? Thereason is because 5th house holds karakatwas for 10th house i.e.Authority. Here is there are low points then person may have changesin job ... but then how to see if job is there or not ...3) For that we check Income and for that we check points in 11thhouse and for authority again we check points of 10th house as B. Sonow if there is change of job and no income could mean that personmight be unemployed during that time... but again there are so manythings one has to see w.r.t. which other planets are samdharmis. Forexample if Say Venus antra is running then we know that Venus isNatural Samdhamrmi to Shani, similarly for Mars and Sun and Mars andMoon. These as per basic Vedic Astrology if u study keenly areYogakaraks for each others house i.e Venus is Yogakarak planet forShani's ascendents i.e. CApricorn and Aquarius and For Cancer and LeoIts Mars these all thigns you can get from lessons.... and all theseare used together with points for timing.4) For expenses you can check 12th house. Compare points between10th, 11th and 12th for the antra running can show how much effortyou need to put for income and in that antra how much expense youwill have. If for that antra points of 12th are higher then theremight be more expenses than income.In your chart now check closely. For current Antra.For 4th house Mercury is LOE so it does not matter how many pointsMercury has it is eager to give results for 4th house. So its notsurpirse you might have gotten some luxuries. It also has highestpoints for 4th house.Now also see points for 5th house for Mercury. Its giving only 5points in the worksheet. Means that there can be change in job.Now check points of 10th, 11th and 12th. Here you can see points of10th are 7, 11th = 17 and 12th = 20. So here this is showing me thatyou will might not have high authority (high authority means morework and more stress) here points are low, the COMPARED TO THAT you rgetting very good income. Points are 17 much higher than 12 and for12th house points are even higher 20 points. So from that I candeduct that maybe you bought a house, change in job, and high expensemaybe because of house so you might spend money behind that. Nowagain MErcury is LOD for 12th house so its expenses for better thingsi.e. you will get more comfort as 12th house is for moksha and alsofor pleasures so being LOD or LOE it will give u happiness andpleasure ....Now you can go ahead and do the same for KEtu period.Ketu is samdharmi to Mars and Sun. For the 4th house Mars is giving1 bindus and Sun is giving 3 bindus. So mars will act more likeSun. Now Sun is LOD for 11th hosue so again better income and betterfor 3rd house so more parakram.Now compare ketu antra with mercury. In mercury you had higherexpenses but in ketu antra expenses will fall down, income will bemuch better than you made in Mercury antra so more savings.Please make your chart with Krushnas ayanamsa, Cast your worksheetand try to match the events.Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshHi!A friend wants to know when she is likely to get married.Her birth details are:26th Oct 1974, 12:40noon, New Delhi, IndiaAny analysis will be greatly appreciated.Warm regardsDear Mita,Your friends lagna is at 2Cp22. A difference of about 10 minschanges the lagna.Want to clarify a few things to ascertain the lagna.1) Spending trend. With Cap 12th SAV points are more than 11th soher spending trend is more than savings2) Is Allergic to authorative figure ? Does not like being told whatto do or does not respond well to authority ? 6th lord in 10th3) Is your friend sutbborn, my way or the high way kinda attitude ?And is she very confident in everything she does and egoistic ?36 bindus in lagna v/s 26 bindus in lagna capricorn4) Did your friend fall in love during 1992/10 thru 1994/025) Your friend must be very brilliant and have a photographic memory ?6) If your friend was in a relationship it might have broken in1994/02 thru 1995/01 this is using capricorn lagna in Mars antra.Low points for 5th and borderline for 12th i.e 12 points.Some other characteristics irrsepective of lagna.1) Venus is spoilt. Its less than 3 degrees from Sun. Good thing isthat this venus is not aspected by Shani and it also receives a checkfrom Guru via its aspect.Can you confirm please.Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshHi, Ash. I am now aware that when Venus is > 43* from Sun, Guru with Venus can check it. However, how does this work in the case where Venus is < 3* from Sun? As the native loses interest in sex/marriage, are you saying that if Guru is conjunct/aspecting such a Venus - then it helps out by improving Venus's "impotence" due to Sun? So Jupiter with a Combust Venus means Native is not completely disinterested in sex/marriage? Thanks - Sateesh. ========Dear Sateesh....hmm.. .good point...You are right. I am just going to recap what we had discussed onchat.Venus to Sun distance > 43 degrees will make venus go out of the grapof Sun. If Saturn aspects it, it makes this worst. If Shani alsoaspects a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa then this may deny marriage orcause multiple relations. Now the planet that can check such a venusis Guru. If Venus is with Guru then Guru can check Venus. i.e. sucha person will not forget his responsibilities towards his wife andfamily.On the other hand Venus < 3 degrees looses its venusian qualities.If its retrogate then it may have some power, if its direct and < 3degrees then it looses all power. Such a person looses interestin "sex", "sensual things" and other happy happy things that venustends to shower a person with hmm .. I hope you get the drift.In the first case Guru can check Venus from going astray and even ifsay Venus shows its quality then it may be with sanction.In 2nd case the native itself looses the "venusian" qualities and soGuru might try to stop it from going to other extremes. Like if aperson is married then instead of becoming bramachary one mayhave "sex" for producing children. Guru is also putrakarak. NK forchild birth in male chart. Ruler of 12th house in kalpurush chart.In both cases mind you venus is spoilt and it does not change venushowever Guru "checks" venus.I hope Margarita and Krushnaji can correct my understanding inregards to this topic.Good quesetion.Cheers !!!AshDear Ash, Many thanks - it makes it clearer now. It would be interesting to see any "living" examples of < 3* Venus helped by Jupiter. No rush on this though :-) . Cheers - Sateesh. Hello,Look at the 3th house (12th from the 4th) for permanent relocation andalso to the 12th house from lagna.Planets with low points in WS for the 12th house from lagna indicate"away from home" and planets with more points for the 112th from lagnacan indicate "going back home". Try to look at this together with otherfactors lakine for ex : When 4th lord is in the 3th = less familyhappiness, so this "could" indicate somebody who moves often also.The whole chart must be judged of course; these are only some factors tolook atBest regardsMargaritakpkanitkar wroteHello MargaritaThanks for replyI have one chart10 Dec 196811.52 amBombay IndiaHere Sat is lord of lagna and 12th which is in 2nd and retro while4th lord Venus is in 12th.sat interesting have 0 points in 2nd house where sat is present. Thatthe reason this question is.And Venus Which is 4th lord is in 12th and is in 12th house and Venusashtakvarga points are 4 each in 3rd and 12th house.Does venus has more role or Sat in such case?RegardsKPKDear KPK,Zero given by any planet means less happiness for that house. It canmean that when Shani transitted Pisces this native might have hadproblems with authority and job.Did this native have a change of job or did he face any problems forhis job or did he loose the job after Feb 20th 1996.It can also mean that no cooperation from subordinates or a blot onname. That period might have been with lots of stress and worries..during the 2.5 years when shani transitted over pisces.Please confirm,Thanks,Cheers !!!Dear KPK and list members,I think I realised what I overlooked. Thanks for your response.Your answer made it clear.Let me explain. When shani transits over a house with low points yesthe native faces problems. Those problems come via the house thatshani holds karaktwa for.Now Shani holds karaktwa for 7th house and 8th house in the nativeschart. So problems will come via that area.So you said the native faced problems in the area or no co-operationfor marriage 7th house and also via 8th house matters for the 2ndhouse which is for family, wealth, karak for marriage etc.Sorry about that.Thanks,Cheers !!!AshDear Dadhi,All 3 are important for finding profession. It is not whichever isstronger of the 3 but ALL 3.Take your chart for example.1) 10th lord from lagna is Aquarius. Its lord is Shani. Now Shaniis placed in Scorpio navamsa and its lord is Mars. So we get Mars.2) 10th lord from Sun is Cancer. Its lord Moon is placed in navamsaof Guru. So we get Guru.3) 10th house from Moon is Pisces. Lord of Pisces is Guru who isplaced in navasma of Gemini so again Mercury.So your profession or inclination will be for profession linked toMars, Guru and Mercury.The lesson on finding occupation has more details like finding theintellegence of a person. A butcher and an autoposy surgeon bothdeal with similar things but to be an autopsy surgeon one needs morequalification and intellegence and more delicate hands etc. So weneed to see lagna, sun and moon in sectors of shani in navamsa,drekkhana and trimsamsa to judge the intellegence. This is also veryimportant. Also we might need to check DBCE points (SAV) i.e. 3,6,10and 11 poinst and points in lagna to check the confidence of theperson etc etc.....Hope that helps,Cheers !!!Ash> Dear Dadhi,> All 3 are important for finding profession. It is not whichever is> stronger of the 3 but ALL 3. OK. But if it is so for KAS, it is somewhat different from standard jyotish shastras... > The lesson on finding occupation has more details like finding the> intellegence of a person. A butcher and an autoposy surgeon both> deal with similar things but to be an autopsy surgeon one needs more> qualification and intellegence and more delicate hands etc. So we> need to see lagna, sun and moon in sectors of shani in navamsa,> drekkhana and trimsamsa to judge the intellegence. This is also very> important. Regarding intelligence, it would be nice that some additional explanation is given. I do not understand what exactly one has to do with Lg, Su, and Mo in sectors of Shani. Good grasping power, inteligence, memory etc. is required everywhere, in many professions. Let say someone is a movie actor like Depardieu from France. I think he is somewhat known there. He does not have Lg, Mo or Su in any sector of Shani (for Navamsha, Drekhana and Trimshamsha), but mostly in Mars sector. But he is an actor. He has to remember a lot of text given to him. Now, since he does not have either Lg, Mo or Su in sectors of Shani - is he less inteligent ? I do not know... maybe... . but does not seem so. Let say that a person believes in God and Lg, Mo and Su are prominent in sectors of Jupiter (as explained in lesson). And that person might be very inteligent, and not have 2 or 3 Lg, Mo or Su in sectors of Shani. How to explain this ? All the best,Dadhi Selection of houses for Degree and post graduate:If one gets a degree that increases the status ofthe person then 6th and 10th along with 5th houseand their lords have to be studied as 6th houseincreases the status and 10th for profession this isfrom lagna. 5th house is for degree and 9th foradvanced learning and spiritual learning. But beforeyou dwelve into the degree, the intellegence of theperson has to be gauged as success and failure woulddepend on it. The karak for intellegence is Saturnand if lagna lord, Sun and Moon are in the Saturniansign in Navamsa, Drekkhana and Trimsamsa then theperson can be very intellegent. 4th house is forknowlege and 5th for degree. For an institute , whichdoes not give any degree, 12th house and 9th hosuewould have to be studied for spirituality and higherlearning.Sometimes we find that a person may be veryintellegent but the dasa running at that point mightnow be favourable at all, though a person is inclinedand wants to do say for example engineering butduring the maturity of grade 12 marks and at the timeof admission if the dasa running is not favourablethen he may not get admission into a college, this canalso be studied from Navamsa lords of 10th house fromSun, lagna and moon have to be studied and theirrespective strengths.What may be good education or level of educationinone coutry may be different from the other, and thisis also to be studied depending on the place one isin.This have been rewritten by ash from my answer inthe group, I liked it, so if filed will be useful forother members. So sending in the group as a lesson.Dear Donna,Please rewrite it if required andPlease put it in file section,krushnaHello Dadhi,I understand your confusion about "intelligence". I think we must useour good common sense and not focus exactly on "words" that can havemany different meanings for different people who use them.Intelligence is also one of these terms and what is qualified asbeing intelligent here is the capacity to "grasp" things, tounderstand them, to control them. So when either asc Sun or Moonlands up in navamsa, drekkana or trimsamsa of saturn, the person hasa good fotographic memory and "grasps" things quickly. Saturn is alsoa symbol of organised knowledge while Jupiter represents moreknowledge that comes from inheritance from ancestors knowledge butnot needing big personal effort to understand, it's mostly repeated.There are other forms of intelligence like "intuition" if they canhelp other intellectual faculties, they are not considered underSaturn. I hope I'm making things clear.Another topic perhaps interesting to know in studying this system isthe following. One needs good basics knowledge of Vedic Astrology,something you seem to master quite well. This system is onlyfor "timing" certain events and see "when" they can happen. If pointsin WS are high, the event can happen but this does not mean that theevent will be happy. A strong sixth lord giving results will notgive "happy" results for all houses even with high points.So conception or childbirth could be indicated but it could be amentally retarded child for example. Or if somebody marries in aperiod with high points this does not meaan that the marriage will behappy.I had some problems to keep those two things separate in thebeginning but I'm sure you will manage because when I read your mailsyour questions indicate that you are on the right track.Good luck and best regardsMargaritaDear Krushnaji, Margarita, Dadhi and list members,DBCE points if in ascending order show the grace of karak. So if weare checking 3:6:10:11 points from lagna it means we are checkingGrace of karak who is lagna. So may show the personality of thepreson so in this chase if they are in ascending order it shows aperson who can take daring, is confident and such persons can dotheir own business. Now you check them also from Moon and Sun andyou can get an idea. So if 2 are in zigzag and if 1 is in ascendingorder then more towards service.There is more towards it and I am still thinking on this part.There are 3 types of business1) Continous rolling of money like say a restaurant. [LAGNA]2) Contract type work so one gets money after work finished [MOON]3) Fixed Salary where one gets paid on a particular day. [sUN]Now if you are studying for a fixed income then you can check poitnsof DBCE from Sun. For contract income you can check DBCE from moonand for continious income you can check from lagna.But overall results must be seen from Lagna. i.e 3:6:10:11 fromlagna. Good and bad period should be considered from Lagna andWorksheet.We also need to consider the sign placement of Sun and moon if theyare in a friends sign of enemies sign. Basically we need to studythe status of each.Now for any finaicial problems the transit of Saturn and Guru arevery important. To go into to detail on why you can study thekalpurush chart.If in a malefic is transitting a house with 0 points then moreproblems and where the problem is coming from can be studied from thekaraktwa of the transitting malefic planet.We also have to study the SAV points where Sun, Moon and Lagna have.Krushnaji and Margarita, please feel free to correct myunderstanding. And add to what I have written if I have missed outsomething.I hope that helps,Thanking you,Cheers !!! Hello Dadhi,Thanks for the chart of BV Raman.I think this chart is interesting even if I don't know if the TOB hasnot been "adapted" for certain purposes.I saw, as you pointed out, how often Sun,Moon or Asc land up inSaturn's in the important divisional charts.It surely must havehelped him a lot in mastering astrology.I think this chart is also interesting to illustrate nicely the sofamous "samdharmi" principle and how planets behave in thisparticular case in their 4:10 relationship.Look at Mars(3p) in 7the and Jupiter (5p) in 10th. Mars is going tocollect points from Jupiter and thus gets strength from him. Mars isaspecting Jupiter with +5 points and make Jupiter strong;so bothplanets become very strong in the chart.Without going into multiple details the positions in kendras and highMF (multiplication factor) for all planets except Venus is also aninteresting factor.Best regardsMargaritaPlain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to my Briefcase ] Dear Krushna, Ash and members,I would like to present one interesting chart: Male, 23.09.2003. / 21:03 / 16 E 00, 45 N 50 / +1 As you see, the boy is still very small, but has the Down Syndrom. I tried to analyse some doshas in his chart according to KAS. Many doshas are present, but I tried to focus on his intelligence and personality. Please correct me if something is wrong. 1. worksheet points for planets are mostly quite LOW. Except for 2nd and 7th house, most of the planets do not cooperate so much for other houses. It seems that he will not have a normal life. 2. he is born in Ketu Dasha, indicating some suffering due to previous karma. The following Dashas are also not so good. 3. Lagna lord is debilitated and in the sign with lowest points (SAV) together with Su who has less than average bindus (BAV). 4. there is no DBCE ascending order from any house. 5. Saturn is very malefic, because of his aspect on Ju, Me and Mo (Shani has 5 bindus).Saturn aspect on Mo (mind; communication abilities as 3rd lord), Ju (karaka for lagna, as 8th lord) and Me (lord of 2nd and 5th, speach and inteligence). 6. Aditionally, 12th lord Ma (5 bindus in BAV) also badly aspects Ju, Me and Mo ... and Mars also aspects Su (lord of the 4th and karaka for 9th house) and Ve. If my attempt is right, his intelligence and future are not so bright. The boy is the son of my friend. Naturally, he is worried about the future of his son. What do you all think, is there any possibility for some kind of normal life, in some period of time (Dasha) ? OTOH, it seems that the boy could be an intelligent one. He has Lg and Mo in three sectors of Shani and maybe, he should be encouraged to learn something. Any suggestions? All the best,Dadhi Dear Krushnaji, Dadhi and list members,I did some research on the web w.r.t. down syndrome. Its a geneticdisorder and do with chromosome abnormality.I do not have much knowledge in the field of medical astrology.Maybe others who have more knowledge can comment on the same.Maybe Krushnaji can shed some light and give some guidance on how aregenetic abnormalities seen or studied.Cheers !!!AshHello Dadhi,Thank you for the chart.We did similar chart on down's syndrome and Krushna gave a mail aboutit dated on 6th january 2002, I'm sure you can study the chart iposted and his answer.I have no time to go into the chart right now but at first sight 3thlord is in the 4th house and moon is in nakshatra of ketu.Relationship between 1st and 5th lords are 2:12. These are factorsthat indicate "mentally retarded child".I hope this helps you on the way. I will study this chart and makethe worksheet when i have some free moment.Thanks and best regardsMargaritaDear Margarita and Dadhi,Thanks Margarita that was a good lead. I went through the post givenby Krushnaji.I noticed the following things.1) Venus is in 12th from its own house2) 12th from 4th house is in 4th house3) 1 zero due to Moon in 5th house. Moon incidentlally rules 3rdhouse who holds karaktwas for 8th house.4) Points in the WS for 6th house are all very low. Even Ju and Moonwho are LoD and LoE have less points. So recovery from illness mightbe more difficult.5) As per your direction and Krushnajis mail, 3rd lord is in 4th soreducing 4th house happiness, Lord of 5th house goes into 12th from5th i.e. 4th house so reduces 5th house happiness and also coupledwith that 5th has a zero given by moon (karak for 8th).6) Overall all points in WS are weak for pretty much all the housesand by all planets.7) Points in 2nd in WS are stronger so the child may get support fromfamily.8) Moon is in nak of Ketu.9) 6th lord is in 5th house and samdharmi to sun, moon, mercuryaspecting Mars in navamsa.10) Mars overall strength of Mars is weak for each and every house inWS so again he is NK for lagna and weak again.11) Sa is in 2nd house with more points and Me i.e. 2nd lord is SD toVenus, Moon and Jupiter so in antra of all these planets there willbe lot of stress and worries.These were some points that I could see.Will wait for Margaritas response.Thanks for posting the chart.Cheers !!!AshHello Ash,Thanks for the input. Here I just tried to point out someconfigurations that indicate a mentally retarded person and thesefactors should always be checked before analysing any chart becauseusually people don't mention these states and we can be led on thewrong track. Down's syndrome is not an illness; it's just another wayof "being" so I don't think factors about illness or recovery shouldbe checked.One other thing Krushna mentioned I think is that in the father'schart Saturn probably is in the 10th house, but I'm not 100% sure ofthat. Dadhi you could check that because it's your friend's child.Best regardsMargarita> One other thing Krushna mentioned I think is that in the father's> chart Saturn probably is in the 10th house, but I'm not 100% sure of> that. Dadhi you could check that because it's your friend's child. Father's data: 04 Feb 1962 / 07:25 AM / 16E00, 45N50 / +1 (see chart below). Saturn is not in 10th house. All planets are in the 1st house (!?).... Dear Ash, Margarita, Dadhi, and List members,For Male chart refer the navmansha chart, Sa is in 10th.Navamansha and Rashi chart have equal status. (take birth time 7:15)In Female chart 11th house should also be refered for Child birth.In female chart Mars is in 8th house and Rahu is in 11th. Thiscombination indicates cesarean, and more pron for a mentally retardedchild. (Sag lg)krushnaDear Krushna,Thank you for this nice points. I have one dilemma regarding mother. It seems to me strange that she got baby in Saturn bhukti. Saturn is in the house D, but with 0 bindus, and Saturn is not samdharmi to Moon or Jupiter (lords of D and E). I think that it was stated somewhere that planets in D or E should have high bindus or be significators for an event. I would be pleased if you or someone else can explain this situation. All the best,DadhiDear Dadhi,For child birth we study the conception time which falls in Guruantra in the last 1/3rd sector. Guru has become strong due to Marsi.e Mars gives its points to Guru and Guru controls it.Guru is also LoE for 11th house and is situated with LoD and isNaturak Karak.Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshI agree that it becomes a case study. My friend is willing to cooperate. Some details from his life: - His was actually born at 07:15, not 07:25 (but it does not change the position of lagna). - He left school in 1979 and travelled around Europe - 0n July 1st 1979 he got employed as a warehouseman. - His grandfather died on 20th February 1985. He loved his grandfather very much. - He worked till 1990 in the same company, and after that he went to another company as truck driver. - In March 1992 he got fired, and on 1st May 1992 he went to war. He came back on 1st December 1992. - He worked in the new company as warehouseman and delivery-man from 1st March 1993 till 1st September 2003 with a little interruption : he went to war on 5th August 1995 and came back exactly after one month later, on 5th of September. - In 1999 he went to India. He has been interested in spiritual life since 1979. - He fell in love with his future wife and they started dating on 1st November 2001. He got married to her on 26th January 2002. - From 1st of September 2003 he has been working as a commercial clerk in a new company. - His grandmother died on 4th October 2003. - He has big phobia: claustrophobia (elevator, bus and tram jams etc.) - His wealth is below the average. > Maybe we can do this chart as a blind chart analysis.>> With Guidance of Krushnaji I am sure we all will get to learn> something new as each charts is unique. It would be nice if Krushna has time to help. > Also if possible can you get the chart of wife. She was born on 25th May 1976. at 21:00, 16E00, 45N50 / +1 (However, her TOB should be rectified, since lagna could be either in Sg or Sc +/- few minutes). > I beleive that statistics that I read on the web for Down Syndrome> only 15% data pointed to this syndrome coming from father.> So it would also be better to study mothers chart to see if at the> time of conception if that nakshatra was afflicted by Rahu and/or> Mars. I got some additional info about the mother: - her parents got divorced on November 1978. - half-sister was born on 18.11.1983., and half-brother on 26.5.1985. - grandfather died on 13.12.1995. - graduated in biology on 18.6.2003. - delivered the baby through Cesarean section All the best,DadhiDear Dadhi,Here is my attempt.Basic Observations.1) Here 6th lord is touching all planets.2) 2nd lord is in 12th from itself.3) 6th lord touching all planets i.e. all planets are SD to 6th lord.4) All planets are SD to 2nd lord.5) Venus is giving 0 to 7th house.First job in july 1979 in AD of Moon. Moon has 15 points for 6thhouse. Also Moon is LoD for 10th house. Moon also is having 20points for 11th house so triggering income.Death of Grandfather 20th feb 1985 in Rahu/Saturn. Saturn has 13points for 12th house and is SD to Ve and Me. Mahadasha is of 7thlord or Rahu is more like Moon.March 92 - lost job, went to war and got another job after all inRahu/Sun.Sun has low points for 10th/5th house but high for 6th so quicky goanother job.Marriage happened on 26th Jan 2002.There is considerable delay. Venus to sun distance is only 1.8, itswith Shani and shani is with sun and moon and shani i..e karak is in12th from 2nd and venus giving 0 bindus to 7th house.Now marriage happened in Mercury antra who is 6th lord and in lastsector. Decision might have been made in the 2nd sector itself w.r.tmarriage. Mercury has the lowest points for 7th house and is LoD for12th house.When marriages happenen in lowest significator or 6th lord then thereis some problems or the other in marriage or delayed/problems inchild birth etc.In his wifes chart there are 3 zeroes in the chart and guru is inlibra in navamsa.Jupiter is LoD and is getting power from Mars who is LoE. There isdelay and Guru is checking delay due to Shani. So Marriage happenedas soon as Guru's antra kicked in. Guru has highest points in WS foreach and every house. It also has the highest points for 11th houseso will give conception.Its pretty late now.. I must get some rest.Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Manu,Brilliant question. I also had been thinking on this question.Krushnaji and Margarita, can you please go through this email andpoint out my (mis)understandings and feel free to point out anythingin addition I might have missed or overlooked.I am still in the thought process so I may also need more guidance.I shall share with you what I have thought and understood thus far.It is said that when planets TRANSIT through a house with HIGH SAV itgives good results. This is one place where this is used.So take a chart and see where planets are today and then you see thenatal chart and add all the points where planets are TransittingToday.When you do that what have you done ?Indirectly you have considerd so many things. SAV is the strengththat each planet and lagna give to each house. Then you check whereplanets are Transitting today then those BENEFIC bindus (SAV) arepicked up where a particular planet is transitting.So that is step 1.So when you add up SAV points (as per lesson) and you get more than196 points (28 average bindus in a house for 7 planets 28 x 7 = 196)So if daily points are more than 197 then Generally thigns go yourway so you will feel happy / elated.Now we add another layer. Say if antra of 2nd lord is running andone is getting - ASSUME 210 points then person will havemore "worries" as 2nd lord's antra gives stress. So more pointshere might show that.Then we can add another layer.We then get into each planet and study them. Say if Shani istransitting a house with 0 points then again more points (SAV Total)for the day may show more stress. If Shani at the same time istransitting a house 12th from itself so based on the chart you canfind out what house Shani is FK for and one can make finer deductionsthat way.If Say lagna is Scorpio and Mars at that time is Transitting 12thhouse (12th from lagna) and overall points for the day are say 176then person might feel sick on that day or might have headache orsome flavour for ill health. For Sco lagna, Karak for 6th (health)is lagna and Mars is Transitting a house 12th from lagna so it loosesstatus. So in this way each planet w.r.t chart must be checked.For checking Financial Status, Transit of Guru and Shani is very veryimportant. Shani and Guru rules 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th house inKal purush chart. If a planet is giving good points for 11th housein Worksheet however if Guru + Shani points total is less than 8 thenhere antra is helping but Transits are not so if a person is doingbusiness his payment might get stuckup or not proper flow of moneyetc might be faced.Sometimes you notice some persons might loose their jobs howeverTransit of Guru + Shani points are more than 8 then in such cases hecan still get some help from somewhere wherein he might be able tofulfill his daily needs. Where help can come, you can go deeper intothe system but we can leave that for now.This is one of the primary reasons when Shani transitts a house with0 points a person faces financial problems because UNLESS Gurutransitts a house where he is giving 8 points only then can totalpoints be 8. Otherwise Transits wont help and person faces financialcrunch.So many people ask, when I can repay my debt. Here good antra forincome along with good Transits of Guru and Shani are important. Ifthat happens then he gets help from all angles and can repay his /her debt.For people getting into the mood if u know what I mean, here Transitof Venus must be studied closely. If Antra is good, and daily points(SAV total is good) along with Transitting Venus through a house withmore than 4 bindus might help.For seeing mood for the day, I think this question you have asked inyour mail, you can check Study moon and its status. IF moon istransitting Gemini and at the same time daily points are low then youmight not feel pretty good in your mind. Might feel confused ormight not be able to think clearly.Once a friend of mine I had told in 3 days he might not feel well.He said that for long time he had not fallen sick or and was inperfect health. 3rd day came along and he got a severe headache anda came down with a flu. Here I had checked the status of Mars alongwith some other things.Sun is the spirit. Life force. You can check the status of Sun likethat.In such a way you can go deeper and deeper using same principles thatwe have learnt in the lessons.The real power is in SAV. Just the basic on what each house pointsin SAV shows and how we get each bindu (favourable yog) we do thatunknowingly so we cover a vast portion of Vedic Astrology includingall the contras.Brilliant question.Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshDear Manu,Worksheet is what you use in the end to select the right significatorthat can furnish the event. After you select the proper planet thenyou can narrow it down further using the proper 1/3rd sector and Sunstransit. This all is given in lesson.But before you reach this step you have to study the chart first andjudge the status of each planet. When I say status, I mean in detailon the bindus it gets, sign placment, navamsa placment, in the houseof friend/enemy, its samdharmis, its div chart status, 4:10,influence of 6th lord, influence of 12th from B (house under focus),planets in 12th from own house, planet placment in a house (say ifLoB is placed in 2nd house from B, so it goes to dhan sthan so statusis enhanced so such way if planet goes to 10th house so in upchaya sobetter etc etc).Even before you reach that you also need to study the nature of theperson, his intellegence, how a person will react to an event forexample if a person has say more than 35 points in lagna in SAV thenperson might be very adament and ego centric. He might be having theattitude of "my way or the high way" attitude and might not beadjustive person. The psychology of such a person might be verydifferent as compared to a person with say 26 bindus in lagna.Again their intellegence factors is very important.Also we need to study say other factors like blessings of aguru/father, of mother, nav pancham yogs etc to see things.With all that you get an idea of the person first.So now lets assemble these things and start with the last thing thatI wrote above first.1) So study the chart - get an idea of the person in short psychology2) Study the status of each and every planet from all angles.3) Study how the event will be happy / unhappy.4) Then use worksheet to pin point the event.So say if u are studying marriage, then for example if lagna/7thlords are in 6:8, points for 5th (assume male chart) are low in WS,Venus is in krittika and its distance to sun is > 43 deg and its aspby Shani and shani asp a luminiary at the same time say if guru is in0-3deg20 in Libra rasi and say lagna SAV is 37 and intellegence ismoderate. And to add to all that say if Venus and Mars are togetherand its aspected by Guru.So if u see such thigns (based on the lessons) you can getinclination that this chart is not of happy marriage and if there isit might be multiple or not long lasting or only limiting topleasures.So then if the question asked is "When will I get married ?" Herestudy first if marriage is possible (lesson on denial of marriage).If indications are there and MARRIAGE IS UNHAPPY then what ANTRA willyou select from worksheet ?Here we go by logic that IF IT WERE AN HAPPY EVENT IT WOULD TAKEPLACE IN HIGHEST SIGNIFICATOR.UNHAPPY EVENTS HAPPEN IN LOWEST SIGNIFICATOR.So here what will you pick ?Cheers !!!Ash Dear Manu,Planets in 4:10 are called Mutual Coworkers which is given in textsthat are available. It means planest that help each other. Canexchange / replace the other planet if the planet is not able to giveresults due to any reason like if its having its dristi on primaryupchayas or maybe its period has just gotten over as there was delayetc so in that case its samdharmi can step forward to "Help".When we cast SAV from BAV it does not cover this specialrelationship. So we consider this seperately in the worksheet. Thisis the highest level samdharmi. But we need to study this relationclosely.So in worksheet if you study closely you first Consider BASICstrength i.e. A+B+C points. With that you get what the planetstrength is for that house on its own without considering any 4:10,aspects etc.Consider 10th place as the Boss and 4th from it as the Subordinate.So say 4th house is Boss and 7th house is Subbordinate or 10th houseis boss and lagna is subordinate or 5th is boss and 8th issubordinate etc etc.After establishing the relationship of Boss-Subordinate we then focuson planet. Say if a planet is resident in the Boss house and thereis a planet in the Subordinate house.Let us establish the nature of planet as strict or lienent. If aplanet is with more points i.e. > 4 then he is a noble planet and ifa planet is with less bindus < 4 he is strict.Now let us combine the above and get an understanding.If Boss is strict (planet in 10th is < 4 bindus) then Planet in thesubordinate will have to listen to the boss. Here he gives thepoints to the Boss planet (in the WS).Now the question becons is ?1) What is the Subordinate is also a culprit (< 4 bindus)2) What is the Boss is a noble man (> 4 bindus) and the subordinateis culprit (< 4 bindus)3) What if Boss is strict (< 4 bindus) and Subordinate is noble man(> 4 bindus)4) What if Boss is strict (< 4 bindus) and Subordinate is alsoculprit but with more points than boss. i.e Say if Boss = 2 bindusand Subordinate is with 3 bindus.5) What is Boss is strict (< 4 bindus) and subordinate is alsoculprit (< 4) however with lesser point than Boss. i.e. Say if Boss= 3 bindus and Subordinate = 2 bindus.Here is where you start to get in deeper.Basic law is if Planet is in 10th with less points then it willcontrol the planet in the 4th. 4th will give its points.Now solving above scenarios1) Subordinate will have to give it points to Boss but he is stillculprit so he will do so but with opposition. He will help the bossbut in malefic deeds.2)If Boss is noble man and subordinate is culprit here, Boss CANNOTcontrol the subordinate. Here if Subordinate gets a chance he willOPPOSE the boss and cause mischief. Here no matter what the Boss isstill Boss so culprit will act as though he is supporting the bossbut at last minute might back out his support. So here he will notsupport and cause opposition.3) Best situation is when Boss is strict and a he has a noble andtrust worthy subordinate. Here Subordinate will go out his way tohelp the boss out. This is when Subordinate planet has > 4 bindusand Boss is strict < 4 bindus. Here Subordinate will help the bossto give good results without any opposition.4) Here Both Boss = 2 bindus and Subordinate = 3 bindus. Here bothare malefic. Boss is the bigger "Don" here. So here you have asituation wherein 2 culprits or malefics are working helping eachother scratching each others back. But both will help each other inmalefic deeds. [in vedic astrology combination of Mars and Saturn in4:10 is not considered good as generally both have less than 4 bindusand what happens is that here you get 2 natural malefics workinghelping each other cause more havoc in a chart]. In our system wesay a planet is malefic if the planet has < 4 binds and a benefic ifthe planet has > 4 bindus.5) Here Boss = 3 and Subordinate = 2. Here again both are malefic.So Subordinate will give its points the Boss but will also OPPOSE theboss if it gets chance as the subordinate is even more malefic thanthat Boss.My suggestion is study the flow of worksheet. You will get anunderstanding on the SEQUENCE of the flow and try to understand whatis happening.Hope that helps,Cheers !!!Ash , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote:> Hello Ash and List Members,>> That was very instructive. thank you. I will try to practice a few> horoscopes.>> I had one more doubt. Is there any logical basis for 4:10 theory? I> understood the reasoning behind Upachayas. For instance,> if 'children' is the event, house B is 5th. A is 12 which is for> mating and is a precondition. C is house 9 and the reason which isto> continue our Vansh by means of grandchildren. It expands our family> (house 2/house D). And it brings about a change of state for our> responsiblity (house 10/house E).>> This is a beautiful relationship between houses. So, naturally we> should expect some such relation for 4:10 theory of samdharmis too.> Is there any such relation?>> The only thing I can think of is a bit crude:>> Since, 4th house represents mother, any planet placed in 4th from> another planet gives strength to the planet in 10th from it. Kindly> excuse me if I totally missed the point.>> Thanks & Regards,> Manu Dear Manu, Dadhi and list members,If you all have any chart with proper birth time and known eventsthen please list them. Then you can practice the basics and find outwhy certain things happened at such and such time. That will makelearning on real charts and more fun and meaning ful.Like that you should solve some charts and then once you start to geta proper approach and get stronger in fundamentals then we can startto take more blind charts. Then you will get more and moreconfidence.Stronger the basics more will be the clarity.Some of the questions that most people ask1) Health2) Job -a) When will I get job ?b) When will I get promotion ?c) Layoffs ?d) Bonus ?e) Stress non cooperation at work3) Income / Financea) Why do I have debt ?b) How will my such and such period will be for income ?c) Financial Crunch / Crisesd) Best periods / Favourable periods for incomee) When will one be able to repay debt4) Marriagea) Marriage happened but no happiness why ?b) Why is there delay in marriage ?c) When will one Marry ?d) Seperatione) Multiple Marriagesf) Timing of Happy marriagesg) Timing of Unhappy marriages5) Childrena) Trying for children but no sucess why ?b) Delayed in childbirthc) When will one have a child ?d) Will the child be Male/Female/Twins ?e) Ceasearean birth ?f) Miscarrages why ?6) Court Cases - Legal Matters7) House / Home / Car / Luxuriesa) When will one be able to buy a house8) Career / Educationa) Inclination to a careerb) Intellegence of a personc) Knowledge/degree/postgraduated) Travelling abroad for educatione) Scholarhips9) Service / Businessa) Are there indications for business ?If you observe closely you will see that most people ask such / thesequestions. If you are able to answer these questions you will beable to help a lot of people.Cheers !!!Ash Hello Ash and List members,In lesson 21, Vyavasaya Jataka (Occupation), Step four for the samplehoroscope states that Me and Sa have good points for all 12 houses asper the worksheet. Does this mean that we have to construct 12worksheets with each house as House B to determine the occupationplanets. That is too much work, isn't it? Is my understandingcorrect? I don't think so.Can you please explain the procedure of step 4 in more detail.Also I was analyzing a horoscope and I found that hs10 and hs11 fromlagna have 28, 29 points in SAV and hs10 and hs11 from Mo have 24 and37. So, what do we predict?:1. Less effort, more earnings, or,2. More effort, less earnings.It will be a nice idea to analyse horoscope as exercise problems. Iam always for this technique. Ash do you have any good horoscopes forus. I shall try and ask my friends for their horoscopes.Thanks & Regards,Manu Dear Manu,Please consider the latitude and long. The place isnot Bombay. sorry about the confusion.March 8, 196717.50 IST26n17, 73E04Cheers !!!AshDear Ash and members,Here is my attempt... Below is the chart, both D-1 and D-9. +--------------+|Ve Sa |Ra | | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Su MeR | |JuR || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| D-1 |-----------|| | |Lg || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| |Mo |Ma Ke | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ +--------------+| Ke |MeR |Su | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |JuR || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| D-9 |-----------|| Ve Ma | | || | | || | | Mo Lg || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | | |Sa Ra || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ > Chart data: male born 8th of march 1967 at 17h50 in Bombay> Zone 5.30 73E4 � 26N17 -ayanamsa 22:23:5> > Question :> > 1. When did the native marry ? House A is Virgo, aspected by Ve (badly, because Ve has more points) and Sa (positively, because Sa has low points). However, Sa aspects house A, but there is no delay because the aspect of Ju (this rule is mentioned in one text). Karaka of A is Me, situated in Saturn's house, house B. Venus is not far away from Su, not in bad nakshatra, but it is with 6th lord (Sa). That is not so good. Fortunately, Ve is strong and not too close to Saturn. Saturn aspects in D-9 are not related to ABC houses, so no delay. Using KAS, it seems that native got married in Rahu dasha when he was 19-21 years old. Rahu acts like Mars (LoD and also FK for 2nd and 9th houses) and Ve (karaka for marriage). Bhukti should be Ve or Su or Mo. Su and Mo more likely, because Mo is LoE and Su is placed in B. Both are weak in WS, but Mo slightly... > 2. When did conception of his children occur (native has one male and> one female child) ? 5th house rules children in male chart. 9th house is house C and 12th lord is karaka, as the lord of house A. Jupiter ( NK ) is situated in house A with more points. Both Jupiter and FK Moon are weak in WS (btw, most of planets). LoD and LoE are strong in WS. 5th house is aspected by Rahu and Saturn. Rahu afflicts it, and Saturn aspect is good. According to the rules, no zero points should be in 9th, and here we have zero point. I do not know what to do with it........ this person has children. According to the rules, DBCE points are in increasing order and female child should be first. But, to tell you sincerely, I do not know how to find conception time using KAS. I do not know the rules. > 3. Has this person his own business or has he a job related to> "service" Points DBCE from 6th (as B) are very good, ascending (not zig-zag) for own business. His confidence is good. He can save some money. > 4. Why did the native face troubles (cash-flow) since 1999> and is the situation improving now ? Saturn gives zero points for Aries, and from/during 1999 Saturn was there. So, bad luck and hardships. Regarding situation now, he is in Ma Bhukti, and Ma is strong in WS only for four houses, 4,7,11 and 12th. If we look at 11th as gains, situation should be better these days. Ju in transit is in good place where he has 6 points, Saturn so so... but situation seems to be better. All the best,DadhiDear Dadhi,Let me first Congratulate you on your attempt and answer.You have a natural knack for financial astrology.You pointed out exactly with WS and Transit of Shani.I will write in more detail on this chart explaning each event indetail.Let me also congratulate you on observing the zero point in the 9thhouse and being quizzed on what it meant.You clearly found out that there was not delay due to Shani in thischart. This is correct. Margarita has pointed out that we checkShanis aspect on house ABC in Rasionly and Lords of LoA, LoB and LoC in Navamsa and Rashi. In any casenow you know this.There is additional delay due to that 1 zero point. This delay isover and above delay due to shani which in this case shani is notcausing delay. So just small delay due to1 zero point.We check distance of Venus to Sun and not Saturn. Shani enhances thebad qualities of Venus.You have raised an interesting question on why there was child birthdespite a zero in 9th.Here let me point out a few things. A zero in 9th house or 8th houseshows some deficiency in those areas. Here this person has theblessings of his Guru or Father.This is a special case. Here Self is Lagna and Guru/Father is 9thhouse. Look at the lords of Lagna/9th lords. They are in Nav-Pancham or 5:9 relation. This can also bechecked in Navamsa as Rasi and Navamsa have equal status.Here its due to this fact that the delay causing and deficiency todissipate. So person has child birth and will find himself lucky.Now for Financial part you were right on target.Here is something more I would like to add.Shani and Guru own last 4 houses of Kal purush chart. Here theirtransits are very important when you are studying finanicialastrology.Here Transit points of both Shani + Guru in the place where they aretransitting must be atleast 8 and more.So generally when Shani transits a house with 0 points then unlessGuru transits a house with 8 bindus their total will be LESS THAN 8.This is very important when studying finance.We should practice this as there are other parts to this when willcome out when we solve more and more charts.But I am glad that you picked up the problem area and very correctlypointed out why the native felt a financial crunch.As soon as Shani moved out of Aries and Guru and Shani points totaledwhen to more than 8 the native started to find more ease in thefinancial area and things have begunimproving.There is more to write but these were some points I found in youranalysis.Very good attempt. With more practice you can pin point the event.You nearly zeroed in on the marriage antra and were right on spottingthe financial problem area and this chart was tricky for that 1 zeropoint which you spotted so u wereon the right track.Congratz !!!Cheers !!!Ash Hello Ash and List Members,Here is my attempt...The person does not seem to be very intelligent, hence he married.Just kidding! :)Well actually, I think his marriage took place in the period from10/27/1990 to 12/3/1992 when {ju, ju} was in effect. This is based onthe master worksheetwith the following final values.Ju 17Ma 13Me 13Mo 11Su 10Sa 3Ve 1Ju is also placed in E.I used Sanjay's worksheet. There seems to be a minor defect.In sheets H1 to H12, Cells D30-J30 incorrectly add theashtakavarga points rather than 5. Hence, ju's points turn out to be18 rather than 17 in the sheet.The other two transit planets are Ma and Me. However, since Ma getsonly 9 points for 2nd house,I do not take its effect for transit. Me gets 18 points for house 2.Hence, transit planets are Ju and Me. To narrow down the time, I usedpunarvasu in geminifor sun's transit, the former ruled by Ju and latter by Me.Su was transitting Gem, Punarvasu from 7/5/1990 to 7/15/1990, 1991and 1992.Why would he marry when there were rains near Mumbai??? (Incase hedid get married where he was born.)Since, Saturn causes full delay in the chart, the marriage may belikely in the last section of time.i.e. 7/6/1992 to 7/15/1992 when he was 25. Fairly ok time for Indianmale marriage.For conception, we consider the first subperiod of strongestsignificator for childbirth, i.e. Me with 18 points.So it may have happened in {Ju, Me} dasha from 6/3/1995 to 8/27/1997.I don't know how to narrow down the time.Since the sarva points for hs3, hs6, hs10, hs11 are in straight orderbeing 29, 31, 31, 35, the native shouldbe doing business with success. Also, it seems that his businessmight be related to working at night timedue to points in hs4, hs5, hs6 and hs7 being high.In 1999, {Ju, Ve} was in effect. Both have only 2 points in masterworksheet for Hs2! Hence, the cash flow problem.Actually I am just guessing for this one. I don't know how else tofind the answer.Well, there can be two types of defects in the above analysis, firstthere might be some calculation mistakessince, I recently added support for dashas and Krushna's ayanamsa tomy app. And secondly there can be a lackof understanding on my part.That's it. Thanks for your patience. :)Regards,Manu Dear Manu,Brilliant Analysis.Here are some points1) You have picked up the marriage antra perfectly. The marriage didhappen in Jupiter antra. So Congratz !!!2) The worksheet is proper. If a planet has more points than 5 thenwe add those points as that would give proper picture. Both theworksheets are proper.3) You are right, the native is doing business.4) You are also right about the antra of the child birth.Congratz !!!5) Financial astrology part I have answered in more detail to Dadhi.6) You have the worksheet and 11th is for income. Transit of Guruand Shani are very important. These should give you a properpicture.Only 1 thing I wanted to point out was the fact that there is no fulldelay so marriage should have occured in 2nd sector however herelagna/9th are in 5:9 so the native hasblessings of Guru so first sector can give.Very nice attempt.Here are the dates1) Marriage date : 24th November 1991.2) First child is male, born in November 1992 (conception aboutfeb.1992) =Jup./Jup.3) Second child is female born in July 1996 (conception in oct/nov1995) = Jup./Merc.4) Native is doing business5) Cash flow problems due to Sa + Ju transit and Antra.Margarita has done a detailed analysis and write up on this chart andonce Krushnaji approves it we will try to put it up in the filesection.It is a very detailed analysis.Cheers !!!AshDear Sateesh, Manu, Dadhi, Puneet and List Members,Sateesh has shared his chart with list members.Apr 15,1973Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1Hounslow, EnglandLongitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29Lagna using Krushna's ayanamsa - 28:56 Virgo - and Virgo rises inNavamsa tooTo practice financial astrology can you study his chart and justoverall at antra level and say how his Shani, Venus, Sun antras werein terms of Work, Income, Job, Expenses.Hint : Look at WS and compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th(effort, income, expenses) , 6th, (job) and change of job (5th).How do you think his next antra that is about to start which is Moonwill be ?Just a high level antar dasha analysis.This is to demonstrate and bring out the technique on how powerful WSis where you can see results at a glance.Hopefully Sateesh can give us feedback on your analysis directly.Cheers !!!AshHello Sateesh, Ash and List Members,Here is my attempt...SAV for 10th 11th and 12th are 26, 36, 26.The return you get as compared to your effort is quite high. Also,your expenses are constrainedallowing you to save a lot of money.Su seems to be the important occupation planet in your chart since itis the lord of the navamsa house where10th lord from lagna, sun as well as moon in rasi are situated innavamsa.Hence, your job might be related to position of authority whichrequires wisdom of approach due to Jupiter.5th and 6th points are 29, 37. Also strength for the 5th houseindicate you will change jobs frequently.hs11 strengths indicate that all planets favour a good flow of incometo your pocket.Beleive me Sateesh, you seem to be blessed by Goddess Laxmi!Antras of Su, Ve Sa help you gear forward in your professional field.Antra of Sa might not be favourable for you to change jobs.Your Moon antra began since 9/9/2003 and will be till 3/2/2005 in ramahadasha. This period will be markedwith job changes for your benefit. It might also be a period when youmay buy a house, or a car etc.Except for the 12th, Mo has very good strength points for all areasof life. This will be a very favourableperiod for you.Thanks & Regards,Manu> To practice financial astrology can you study his chart and just> overall at antra level and say how his Shani, Venus, Sun antras were> in terms of Work, Income, Job, Expenses.> > Hint : Look at WS and compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th> (effort, income, expenses) , 6th, (job) and change of job (5th). Points are in increasing order only from Sun, and are in zig-zag order from Lg and Mo, so it seems that Sateesh has some service. This seems to be so as 3rd has more points than 11th.But, this service looks like good position, possibly some authority post. He can save money, can get money easily, without much effort ( 10th, 11th, 12th are 26, 36, 26 respectively) from Mo and Lg, and 29, 37, 21 from Su. So, no problem to save money. His income is legal as 8th has low points. High SAV in the 6th indicates good reputation in society. Good job. But, since 6th lord Sa aspects 11th, and 6th, some caution is needed with possible investments (specially Ju/Sa period and later). Regarding income (11th), all planets are strong in WS, and not so strong in for 12th. That is positive in his chart. Sateesh is in Rahu period, who acts as Venus and Jupiter (Venus nakshatra and Jupiter sign). Venus is very strong in WS, and good lord (lord of 2nd and 9th) for luck and money. So, overall, Ra period should be good. Also, taking 11th house as house B, 6th as A, 3rd as C - all houses are VERY strong. Even NK Mercury is strong in WS for 11th. Money could come from wife too. All periods: Ra/Ke, Ra/Ve, Ra/Su are good. Shani period would be generally bad, as Sa is weak for all houses except 2nd and 11th. Only 2/11 prosper in Sa bhukti. Su and Ve are good, but due to weak Ve in the 10th, some problems in carrier in Ve period. > How do you think his next antra that is about to start which is Moon> will be ?Mo is strong in WS for 2,4,6,7,10 and 11th house. So overall good time for above mentioned houses. That means income, position, relationships, reputation, home and wealth. It seems that better time is during Mo antra. Ju will move to Virgo (not so excellent), but Sa to Cancer (very good). Ju has less points in Vi, but Sa more in Cn .... but Cn has high SAV points. But, when Ju moves to Libra after some time and Sa comes back from Gemini, that will be powerfull period for income..... but it is Ra/Ma period. I hope that my attempt has some sense.... All the best,Dadhi Hello List Members,Here are the chart details of my friend.Female, 20 Nov 1976, 3:34 pm. Mumbai, India.Lat: 18.55N, Long: 72.54E, DST: 0, Zone: 5hr 30minsAsc is Pis 24:04She is unmarried and the delay in marriage is a cause of concern forher parents.A. Can you identify why there was a delay in her marriage?When will the marriage be likely and will the marriage bringhappiness for her?B. Are there any combinations that indicate change of jobs, foreigntravel, good income.C. Were the previous 3 years beneficial for her family? How good isthe current antra?I shall myself try to analyse this chart too for Ash and others toverify.Thanks & Regards,Manu Messages Messages Help Reply | Forward | View Source | Unwrap Lines Message 5920 of 7835 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # "ashsam73" <ashsam73> Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:52 pm Sateesh Chart - Further Note Dear Sateesh, Manu, Dadhi, Puneet and all,I have read your answers, but I have to rush to the airport.I shall reply in more detail later on.All are on proper track.Here I would like you all to observe the points in each antra in theWorksheet.So say for example, take Sateesh's Venus antra. In that if youobserve check points gotten by Venus for 10th, 11th and 12th house.That will show you HOW MUCH EFFORT V/S INCOME V/S EXPENDITURE wouldbe there. This is a powerful concept that one can appy to see howeach antra will act.Re-Visit both the charts and check the antra and also check antra ofMoon for Sateesh to make a future (and near by prediction) on how hisMoon antra will be.Manu, I saw that there was slight difference in the start of Moonantra for Sateesh. Moon antra starts on 13th of Feb 2004 forSateesh. Right now he is in the very end of Sun antra as per KAY(Krushnas Ayanamsa).Ok, got to rush...Cheers !!!Ash Hello Ash, Sateesh and all,Here's my attempt, please correct me where needed:We know that loss of job was Oct. 5 2001 during Rahu/Venus.�Sub of 2nd lord (venus) was running so more worry is indicated�Venus also has 17 points for 2nd house so worries would be feltmore than less�Venus is also natural samdharmi to 6th lord (Saturn) who isaspecting B, D, and E for 6th house�Saturn is also 12L from B so no satisfaction for 6th house underits influence�In navamsa Saturn is aspecting Venus�Through 4/10 Venus is samdharmi to Mars (LOD for 6th)�In worksheet Venus gives less than 12 points for 6th house �job,and 10th house �status of the person so during that period couldbe loss of job�Expenses would be manageable because Venus gives higher points inWS for 12th house? 2nd and 8th house points are good, maybe he gothelp from unearned source i.e. from family?�Antra of sun gives relief by escaping period of 6th lord but Sunis samdharmi to 2nd lord Ve so worries remain. In sun's sub pointsin 6th and 10th are good so he could get a job and his statustherefore increased from being unemployed. Points for earning incomefrom 11th are also good, points for 12th show expenditures beingthere also. I do not understand how 5th house plays into this.�I think there was delay in getting the job because Saturn isaspecting houses C and D taking 6th as B, and Jupiter is aspecting Eand A. This may be a trend that he has to face i.e. delay factor forjob�During moon antra there may be a change in job giving more status6,10,and 11 remain good in WS and there also shows change ofauthority from low points for 5th house. Probably involving himmoving from to a foreign place due to very low points for 12th inWS??Ash and Margarita please comment,correct and add as appropriate.thanks,Puneet , "ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote:> Dear Sateesh, Manu, Dadhi, Puneet and List Members,>> Sateesh has shared his chart with list members.>> Apr 15,1973> Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1> Hounslow, England> Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29>> Lagna using Krushna's ayanamsa - 28:56 Virgo - and Virgo rises in> Navamsa too>> To practice financial astrology can you study his chart and just> overall at antra level and say how his Shani, Venus, Sun antraswere> in terms of Work, Income, Job, Expenses.>> Hint : Look at WS and compare points between 10th, 11th and 12th> (effort, income, expenses) , 6th, (job) and change of job (5th).>> How do you think his next antra that is about to start which isMoon> will be ?>> Just a high level antar dasha analysis.>> This is to demonstrate and bring out the technique on how powerfulWS> is where you can see results at a glance.>> Hopefully Sateesh can give us feedback on your analysis directly.>> Cheers !!!> AshDear Puneet, Many thanks indeed - please see CAPS - - "pjoshi1975" <sunnyjoshi25Sunday, January 25, 2004 5:26 PM Re: More Practice ChartsWe know that loss of job was Oct. 5 2001 during Rahu/Venus.�Sub of 2nd lord (venus) was running so more worry is indicated�Venus also has 17 points for 2nd house so worries would be felt more than less ALL CORRECT. MUCH INCOME, BUT MUCH WORRY/TENSION TOO. �Venus is also natural samdharmi to 6th lord (Saturn) who is aspecting B, D, and E for 6th house�Saturn is also 12L from B so no satisfaction for 6th house under its influence�In navamsa Saturn is aspecting Venus YES TO ALL POINTS. �Through 4/10 Venus is samdharmi to Mars (LOD for 6th) PLEASE ELABORATE ON WHAT THIS INDICATES. �In worksheet Venus gives less than 12 points for 6th house - job,and 10th house -status of the person so during that period couldbe loss of job GOOD POINT. �Expenses would be manageable because Venus gives higher points in WS for 12th house? 2nd and 8th house points are good, maybe he got help from unearned source i.e. from family? VERY GOOD, EXPENSES WERE JUST ABOUT MANAGEABLE (I SPENT A LOT!) - HAD TO TURN TO FAMILY FOR FINANCIAL SUPPORT WHEN I CAME CLOSE TO RUNNING OUT OF MONEY.�Antra of sun gives relief by escaping period of 6th lord but Sun is samdharmi to 2nd lord Ve so worries remain. In sun's sub points in 6th and 10th are good so he could get a job and his status therefore increased from being unemployed. YES - AS PER MY REPLIES TO MANU AND DADHI, THIS WAS ATTAINED RIGHT AT END OF LAST SECTOR OF SUN - ASH MAY HAVE EXPLAINED WHY JOB WAS DELAYED TO LAST SECTOR - IF NOT, HE CAN TELL YOU :-) . Points for earning income from 11th are also good, points for 12th show expenditures being there also. I do not understand how 5th house plays into this. MOST INCOME THROUGHOUT SUN HAS BEEN THROUGH SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS (SUN IS IN 8TH) - I HAVE ALSO SPENT WHERE I COULD ON LUXURIES, ETC. - ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY FAR LESS SO THAN THE AMOUNT I COULD SPEND ON LUXURIES IN VENUS ANTRA (AS I WAS IN GREAT JOBS IN ITS FIRST 2 SECTORS). �I think there was delay in getting the job because Saturn is aspecting houses C and D taking 6th as B, EXCELLENT - YES, DELAY TO LAST 1/3RD WAS DUE SATURN ON B,C,D FOR 6TH. and Jupiter is aspecting E and A. WHAT IS RELEVANCE OF JUPITER HERE? JUPITER CONTRIBUTED TO DELAY? This may be a trend that he has to face i.e. delay factor for job OK.�During moon antra there may be a change in job giving more status 6,10,and 11 remain good in WS and there also shows change of authority from low points for 5th house. Probably involving him moving from to a foreign place due to very low points for 12th in WS?? THIS NEW EMPLOYER IS STRONGLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIGGEST AIRLINES - AND I AM BASED IN AIRPORT - PERHAPS IF I PROGRESS IN THE COMPANY, I MAY GET TO USE THE LOW POINTS MOON GIVES FOR 12TH HOUSE. I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED.Ash and Margarita please comment,correct and add as appropriate.thanks,Puneet GREAT WORK. Best - Sateesh.Dear Ash and Puneet, Please see my feedback in ** ** . - "ashsam73" <ashsam73Monday, January 26, 2004 4:30 PM Re: More Practice ChartsDear Puneet,Here are my answers in CAPS.Sateesh can clarify.Very nice attempt.Cheers !!!Ash , "pjoshi1975" <sunnyjoshi25> wrote:> We know that loss of job was Oct. 5 2001 during Rahu/Venus. �Sub of 2nd lord (venus) was running so more worry is indicatedASH : TRUE. ** Yes. **> �Venus also has 17 points for 2nd house so worries would be felt more than lessASH : YES. ** Correct. ** ASH : IN THE WORKSHEET POINTS OF 12TH ARE MORE THAN 11TH AND 10TH ARE LESS THAN 11TH. VENUS IS GETTING 10 FOR 10TH HOUSE, 15 FOR 11TH AND 18 FOR 12TH HOUSE. STUDYING THE STATUS OF VENUS AND VENUS IS LOE FOR 12TH HOUSE. SO IT WILL GIVE LUXURIES, TRAVEL, MORE EXPENDITURE. CHECK WHERE IT HAS LESS POINTS. ** Yes, it gave all these things. bought new car, foreign travel with free plane tickets, spending money on video games, etc. ** ASH : VERY NICE ANALYSIS. ITS ALSO HOUSE OF CROWN. HERE SUN HAS 12 POINTS SO CAN GO EITHER WAY. SUN IS ALSO IN 8TH HOUSE WITH LOW BINDUS SO IT CONTROLS AND INFLUENCES 11TH HOUSE. LAGNA/SUN/MOON AND THEIR 10TH LORDS FROM THEM ARE ALL IN NAVAMSA OF SUN SO NATIVE IS MORE INCLINDED OR ATTRACTED TOWARDS EITHER GOVERNMENT JOBS OR JOBS WITH HIGH AUTHORITY. ** Correct on all points. Most of my employment has been either in Government jobs, or in Airlines/Airports/national Telecoms - and in the U.K., the airlines/airports/telecoms are now all privatised sectors, BUT run very much in the way Government sector does - since they ALL used to be Government controlled. **ASH : FOR DELAY, WE CHECK SHANIS ASPECT ON HOUSE ABC IN RASI AND LOA, LOB AND LOC IN RASHI AND NAVAMSA. IF ALL 3 ARE AFFECTED THEN FULL DELAY.HERE KEEP 6TH AS B AND A BECOMES LAGNA AND C BECOMES 10TH. LOA AND LOC ARE BOTH MERCURY AND LOB IS SHANI HIMSELF.MERCURY IS ASPECTED BY SHANI. SO FULL DELAY. SO JOB WILL COME IN LAST 1/3RD SECTOR OF SUN ANTRA. ** Yes, that is correct. Right at end of last 1/3rd. ** > �During moon antra there may be a change in job giving more status 6,10,and 11 remain good in WS and there also shows change of authority from low points for 5th house. Probably involving him moving from to a foreign place due to very low points for 12th in WS?? ASH : VERY NICE. ALSO CHECK POINTS OF SUN FOR 4TH HOUSE. HERE FOR 4TH HOUSE ITS HAVING MORE POINTS AND MOON IS IN HOUSE D WITH MORE POINTS FOR 4TH AS B AND ALSO FOR 8TH HOUSE ITS IN HOUSE E WITH MORE BINDUS SO BETTER RESULTS FOR THESE HOUSES. ** Does this imply I will be happier staying in this country (4th) in Moon Antra, and less happy (low 12th points for Moon) if I go overseas (in the Moon Antra)? ** Many thanks - Sat. Dear Sanjay,I have not found any E mail, in October.Any how, I remember some thing, It may be with respect to theascendent. If one ascendent gives 36:22:30:and 33 in 3:6:10:and 11house then the person can be in good post. Here his 3rd house ishightest, so his dreams are very high, Sixth is social status is only22, Work is 30 and income is 33. More income is possible only whenthe person is in authority and responsibility.For second case 28:29:32:31, Means doing hard work and gettingless return. The points in 10th house are more then in 11th house.krushna , "Sanjay Jaggia"<sanjaygg@l...> wrote:> Respected Krushnaji,>> This is in one of your emails in October where you were looking at> rectifying a chart and trying to choose between Capricorn orSagittarius> ascendants. The following two options were coming and you had givenyour> interpretation.>> > >In one of your messages, you had interpreted the points in thisway:> > >> > >36:22:30:33 ->The person should be in service, but should havesome> > >authority and should have somewhat sophisticated work.> > >> > >28:29:32:31 -> This indicates hard work and less income comparedto work> > >(more work by hand than head).> > >>> I just wanted to know the reasoning behind this.>> Kind regards> Sanjay Dear Sanjay,Plerase read my earlier mail, I have given it for general nature, itmeans this can be used for each and every house. Again I am giving it.wHEN THE POINTS IN D,B,C,AND E ARE IN INCREASING ORDER, THE RESULT OFHOUSE B IS MUCH GRACEFUL.If we take the case of marriage if points in 4th, 7th, 11th and 12thare in increasing order, we can say a very happy marriage life. Now a daysit is very difficult to find such case, because now life is a adjustment.krushnaRespected Peterji,Pranam,I appreciate the hard work you are doing to learn this system.I will put my comments in Capital and in bracket near to the point.krushna>"Peter Sutcliffe" <petermay@p...>> >>Re: Complete analysis>Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:11:41 +1000>>Respected Krushna,>I have been trying to catch up with all the correspondance on Ron's chart>but it comes in quicker than I can keep up with.>I will not give the answers to the exercise set earlier although I have>done>it. The answers ahve been given several times already and it seems>pointless>just to repeat them. I have however been looking at the the analysis of>Ron's chart for his marriage, the separation, and the birth of the>children.>My reasoniong does not seem to be exactly the same as the others so perhaps>you could look at it and tell me if it is acceptable. I have also added a>couple of questions at the end.>Ron's Marriage. House 7 = B>Using house 7 as B I got Ju=30 ( CORRECT, BUT AFTER CONSIDERING AGAIN THE>SIGHT OF 12TH LORD FROM HOUSE B I.E. SATURN IT COMES TO 23) points Venus>23, Mercury 19 (IT SHOULD BE 7 AFTER CONSIDERING THE POINTS GAINED BY THE>SIGHT OF SATURN BEING 12TH LORD FROM HOUSE B ) and Mars 18(IT SHOULD BE 23,>YOU MAY NOT HAVE CONSIDERED THE SIGHT OF JUPITER).>Me and Venus both aspect house B and are disqualified but Ju and Mars are>both suitable for the marriage.( HERE JUPITER IS WITH 23, MARS WITH 23,>VENUS WITH 23, SUN WITH 19, MOON WITH 18, SATURN WITH 9 AND MERCURY WITH 7>ONLY. HERE MARS IS MORE EAGER TO GIVE THE MARRIAGE. ) Looking first at the>sub-periond of Ju I>find the first to be at age 10 and obviously too early, the second sub is>not then until the age of 43 which even by western standards is to delayed>in spite of the fact that Ju is aspected by Sa. Looking at Mars the first>sub is at age 6 ( too earlt ) and the next is from 8th Feb 1960 until 14th>Jan 1960, this would make him 24/25 years of age which is very suitable. I>would there expect the marriage to be peformed in this sub-period. It was>in>fact peformed 7th Oct 1960.>Separation. House 6 = B (THIS WAS NOT A SEPERATION, TEMP LIVING AT>DIFFERENT PLACES (VIYOG) THE MERCURY GIVES ONLY 7 POINTS, SO IT HAVE>SEPRATED THEM MERCURY = KETU = RAHU.) Although someone else suggested>using 2nd house for this event I felt that>the 6th would be better as it is 12th to the 7th indication loss of long>term relationship. I did in fact look at the 2nd house also and although>the>actual points differed the ranking of the planets in points order was>identical for both houses. For house 6 the points were Ju=42, Sa=31,Me=26.>Ju is disqualified as it aspects house C. Rahu can act as sandharmi to Ju>and so I would expect Ra sub to indicate the separation. As Ra is sandharmi>to Ju which is the most powerful planet on the chart I would expect it to>give protection to the marriage and thus the separation is not permanent.>I am not happy about this one as although the separation was not long it>was>definately a malefic event and as such I am not sure whether I should have>been using the highest point scorer or the lowest.>Birth of Children House 5 = B>Using house 5 as B the points were Ju=40, Sa = 25, Venus =24, Me = 24. With>Ju having maximum points at 40 and also being the main Karaka for children>this was the obvious choice however it is disqualified due to an aspect top>house A. Both Ra and Venus can act as sandharmi to Ju so this is where I>would look first. The first sub after the marriage is that of Ra and as>this>is the most likely time for child birth (THE LORD OF HOUSE D AND E HERE ARE>MERCURY AND VENUS, AND MERCURY IS REPRESENTED BY RAHU AND KETU, THE>CONCEPTION IS IN THIS PERIOD ONLY, AND OR THE POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR) I>would expect the first child to be>born in this sub which was from 14th Jan 1961 to 9th June 1963. The first>daughter was actually born 8th Feb 1962.>The first son was actually born in a Sa sub-period and I could find>nothing>to tie in this with the birth of a child particularly as Sa is disqualifed>by aspecting house C. The 2nd son was born in a Venus sub and as Venus is>sandharmi to Ju this could be expected. This particular sub is also the>first suitable sub-period after the birth of the 2nd child so again it is>quite suitable. ( FOR CONSIDERING THE CHILDREN WE MUST TAKE IT AS>CONCEPTION, ACTUAL BIRTH IS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED. HERE ALL THE THREE ARE IN>LINE WITH THE SYSTEM)>>Comments on the above would be appreciated Mr Krushna and I have one>question. Could you please give me a fuller explanation regarding Ra/ Ke>acting as sandharmi. Several people said that Ra would be sandharmi to Ju>and I take it that this was because Ra was in Sagittarius which is ruled by>Ju. You stated that Ke represented Me, I take it that this is because it is>in Gemini which is ruled by Mercury. I also think that Ra would be>sandharmi>to Ve because they are in the same sign and house in the navamsa and that>Ra could be sandharmi to Ke as Ke is the a constellation ruled by Ra (>Ardra).( CORRECT)>(I HOPE THIS WILL CLEAR ALL THE POINTS. )>Yours trespectfully,>Peter>I will now continue to try and catch up on all the other mail over>Chrismas.>THANKSKRUSHNA> Respected Krushnaji,I have been looking at some charts of people I know and have been trying tosee if they have the increasing points for D,B,C and E in some house. Ichecked about 15 charts and found that many of these have these points in atleast some charts. I am giving some details of the persons and I would begrateful if you can inform me how to interpret this.1. Male, 35 years old, Chief Executive of a small factory - His 8th househas 23:24:28:38 in D:B:C:E. His 6th house has 38:26:30:37. Now the 6thpoints are not in ascending order but these are ascending for B:C:E.2. Male, 33 years old, started his own export trading business 2 years agoand is fairly successful - His 5th house has 21:23:27:33 and 6th house has33:33:33:39.3. Male 27 years, working as sales manager in an international company,doing well in his job - His 10th house has 27:29:28:40 which is not inascending order but is generally increasing.4. Male, 40 years, professional with his own very successful practice - His1st house has 28:29:30:46 and 12th house has 18:24:30:30. Please advise ifthe same points in the last two house qualify as increasing points.5. Male 45 years old, industrialist with several factories - His 11th househas 23:24:26:35. However, his 6th house points are not in ascending order.6. Male 33 years, successful company executive - His 6th house has28:31:35:43 points. Why is he not a successful businessman?7. Male child 12 years with a history of epilepsy and learningdifficulties - His 4th house has 25:27:28:28 and his 5th 26:28:28:36. Bothhouses are related with education, an area in which he has problems.8. Female, 36, Reiki Master, very high spiritual energy level - Her 9thhouse has 28:30:28:35 which is not in strict ascending order. Her 10th househas 20:26:35:35 but she does not have a job or business.Your explanations of all these cases would be highly appreciated.Kind regardsSanjay Dear Sanjay,We should take 3:6:10:11 from 'A', which gives the idea of theresults for karkatva of 'A'. the result is connected to house 'C'.For being a successful businessman 3:6:10:and 11 th should be in increaseingorder from ascendent and or Moon. This also gives good authority, goodposition of authority, or ownership, with some persons working under him.Please note that if a person gets good points for a perticularhouse, then he have to loose some thing. He can get his success at the costof some other house.For Example if a person have points in 4th house, 7th house, 11thhouse, and 12th house in increaseing order, then we can say he is gettinggood marital life. At the same time his expenditure is more then his income.He enjoys the life, but with debt.Please check how you selected the houses.krushnaRespected Krushnaji,I selected the houses as 3:6:10:11 from A. For example, when I mention thata person has increasing points for the 11th house, I take 6th house as A andthen take the points of D(8th), B(11th), C(3rd), and E(4th). Could youplease give me the explanations for the 8 cases cited by me?Kind regardsSanjay----- Original Dear Sanjay,Answer in Capital AND NOTE AT THE BOTTOM.> >I have been looking at some charts of people I know and have been trying>to> >see if they have the increasing points for D,B,C and E in some house. I> >checked about 15 charts and found that many of these have these points in> >at> >least some charts. I am giving some details of the persons and I would be> >grateful if you can inform me how to interpret this.> >> >1. Male, 35 years old, Chief Executive of a small factory - His 8th house> >has 23:24:28:38 in D:B:C:E. IT MEANS HE IS HAVING GOOD COURAGE. DONT HAVE>GOOD MANAGEMENT, GOES IN OPTIMISTIC CONDITION, EARNING IS GOOD. IF HE WOULD>HAVE SERVED HE WOULD HAVE GOT MORE MONEY. HE MUST GET GOOD RESULT FOR 8TH>HOUSE. HE CAN NOT BE HAPPY COMPAIRED TO IF HE WOULD BE IN SERVICE. ASK HIM.His 6th house has 38:26:30:37. Now the 6th> >points are not in ascending order but these are ascending for B:C:E.THE SAME THING MUST BE CHECKED FROM MOON ALSO. ( MOON CHART, KEEP THE POINTSIN THE SAME WAY)> > 2. Male, 33 years old, started his own export trading business 2 years> >ago> >and is fairly successful - His 5th house has 21:23:27:33 and 6th house>has> >33:33:33:39. IT IS GOOD FOR OWN BUSINESS. THERE IS NO DEVIATION IN THE>POINTS. >> >3. Male 27 years, working as sales manager in an international company,> >doing well in his job - His 10th house has 27:29:28:40 which is not in> >ascending order but is generally increasing. THIS CAN GIVE HIM A GOOD>POST WITH AUTHORITY.> >> >4. Male, 40 years, professional with his own very successful practice ->His> >1st house has 28:29:30:46 GOOD ATRACTIVE PERSONALITY, CAN IMPRESS OTHERS,>AND HAVE GOOD CONVINCING POWER and 12th house has 18:24:30:30. Please>advise if> >the same points in the last two house qualify as increasing points.HERE>AGAIN NO DEVIATION. EQUAL POINTS MEANS NO DEVIATION iF WE PLOT A GRAPH IT>SHOULD NOT GO DOWN FOR GOD RESULT. >> >5. Male 45 years old, industrialist with several factories - His 11th>house> >has 23:24:26:35. However, his 6th house points are not in ascending>order. CHECK FROM MOON, HE MUST KEEP CHECK ON INVESTMENTS, OPTIMISTIC>CONDITION WILL MAKE HIM SUFFER IN THE END. LASTLY HE MAY HAVE TO LOOSE>MORE.> >> >6. Male 33 years, successful company executive - His 6th house has> >28:31:35:43 points. Why is he not a successful businessman? RESULT CAN BE>EITHER ON HIGHER POST OR OWN BUSINESS. BEING AN EXECUTIVE MUST HAVE MORE>SUBORDINATE. >> >7. Male child 12 years with a history of epilepsy and learning> >difficulties - His 4th house has 25:27:28:28 HE WILL HAVE GOOD KNOWEDGE>AND MUST BE GETTING MUCH SUPPORT AND LOVE FROM FAMILY and his 5th>26:28:28:36. Both> >houses are related with education, FOR DEGREE 9TH HOUSE an area in which>he has problems. >> >8. Female, 36, Reiki Master, very high spiritual energy level - Her 9th> >house has 28:30:28:35 which is not in strict ascending order. Her 10th> >house> >has 20:26:35:35 but she does not have a job or business. 10TH HOUSE IS>DEBILATED. 6TH HOUSE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.> >> >Your explanations of all these cases would be highly appreciated.> >> >Kind regards> >Sanjay> > NOW DEAR SANJAY, THIS IS ONE OF THE REQUIRMENT FOR HAVING GOOD>RESULT, IT ALONE CANNOT CONTROL THE THING. STATUS OF KARAK PLANET, LORD OF>D AND E , EFFECT OF 12TH LORD FROM 'B', NO ZERO POINTS BY ANY PLANET IN ANY>HOUSE, MAXIMUM PLANETS WITH LESS POINTS, SO BENEFIC SIGHT EFFECT, 4:10>RELATION SHIP, YOGKARAK (ONE PLANET HAVING LORDSHIP OF 'A' AND 'B') eX MARS>FOR CANCER ETC. THEN THIS ASCENDING ORDER CAN GIVE GOOD RESULT. fROM THE>ABOVE DATUM LEVEL IS FIXED, THEN HOW MUCH ABOVE ONE CAN REACH CAN BE SEEN.>ALL THE PLANETS MUST HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS AS A SIGNIFICATOR FOR SUCH>HOUSE. THEN THE INCREASEING ORDER OF THE POINTS IN 3:6:10:11 WILL GIVE GOOD>RESULT, AND PERSON WILL NOT FACE ANY DIFFICULTY FOR THAT HOUSE.KRUSHNA> Respected Krushnaji,Thank you for your reply. So it means that this is just one of the things tobe looked at and must be balanced with other influences. Also, we should seethe houses both from ascendant and Moon. But will that not lead to moreconfusion? Or you mean that we should see the points of DBCE from bothascendant and the Moon?You had promised earlier that you would be sending us a list of which housesare taken as house B for which matter. I hope you are going to send thissoon.Kind regardsSanjayRespected Krushnaji,Thank you for your reply. So it means that this is just one of the things tobe looked at and must be balanced with other influences. Also, we should seethe houses both from ascendant and Moon. But will that not lead to moreconfusion? Or you mean that we should see the points of DBCE from bothascendant and the Moon?You had promised earlier that you would be sending us a list of which housesare taken as house B for which matter. I hope you are going to send thissoon.Kind regardsSanjayRespected Krushnaji,Last week you had posted a chart for study where a person died early.Now that we know that the person has died, we can justify. However, if wewere looking at the chart blindly without having this information, thenthere are many puzzles.In the worksheet for 8th house, all planets are strong. The natural karakMercury and the functional karak Jupiter both have more than 12 points.Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus are all combust but the combustion is notwithin 3 degrees. Even if Saturn is the strongest significator, there were 4sub periods before this so why should he have died in this one? The onlyconnection with 12th lord is Moon being in D but it has 6 points so this isnot so bad. You also mentioned that luminaries are not bad as 12th houselords.In the worksheet for the 7th house, the natural and functional karakas Venusand Saturn and strong and not spoiled due to any aspect or association withthe 12th lord from 7. Venus is combust but is more than 3 degrees from theSun so does not lose its karaktva. I thought the person gets married in thesub period of the significator with low points only if the karak is spoiledor if the 12th house lord casts serious bad aspects. In this case, it onlyaspects A. So why did the person get married in the sub of the 12th lord. Ithought you had said that if the 12th lord has less points, it is better. Inthis case, it did not matter.So from what I see, we can explain the problems after these happen but wecan't predict these from the chart. Please advise how these events could bepredicted with more surety from the chart.Kind regardsSanjayDear Sanjay,Yes, You are here, One of my prediction just came true. That is onlyyou and you will ask such questions. I was aspecting this from you. Any howI will explain you all your quarries.For your information all my predictions for this person came true,except the date of his death found by me. He died six months earlier. Mydate was ahead by six months.To day is too late, Tomarrow I will explain the details, and willcreat more questions for you.Cool Down for the time being.krushnaRespected Krushna,I've gone again trough the worksheets of my own chart to find out how it can be explained that I married (I mean really married) during the period of Jupiter with only 3 points, the lowest of all. (27th of june 1964)In the worksheet points of Jupiter are very irregular and jump from 19 to minus 3Jupiter is also the lord of the 12th from B.Lord of asc, Moon and Sun are in 6/8 relationship with the lord of the 7th.According to one of your remarks, when someone marries in the in a period of a weak planet the marriage breaks up later.Well, I'm still married to the same man and that since 36 years and without major ups and downs.Of course we don't agree everytime on everything but I would find life extremely boring if this was the case.Do you have any suggestion where or how to look ?Many thanksMargaritaDear Margarita,The results of the vedic astrology are based on the indian customs,and that too for olden age. At that time in India, Womens were not havingany authority. They were not able to take any decision on their own account.All the decisions were taken by the male. Still in India position is notmuch changed. As on today also, 90% of the populatiom might be following theold customs. The vedic astrology laws are according to the same situation.Please go through the following example:1. The Mars if it is in 12th, 1st, 4th 7th or 8th house if found in thechart the chart is called as MANGALIC. For that Similar person should beselected. Means the effect of the Mars should be nuetralised by theplanetary combinations in chart of the spouse. It means the person havingMars in above places should be married with a person haveing Planetarycombinations which nuetralises the effect.This means if the combination in two charts are nuetralised the maleficeffect, there will not be any problem.2. Apart from this if the planetary friendshp if in two charts is powerfulthere will not be any dispute which may go to the extreme end.I think if you if you overlape your husband's chart on your chart, then youmay find that either his Saturn or Rahu is aspecting your Venus. Similarlyhis Mars must be aspecting your Venus. The Sun in his chart must beaspecting your Moon, or must be in same sign. These combinations give goodfriendship. This phenomenon over shedes the other malefic yoga of the chart,concerned with the marriage. In friendship person overlooks the drawbacks ofhis friends. The person is accepted with his deficiencies. No dispute ariseson that account.In india the marriage is a tie between two persons. It bringslimitation on both the persons, in behavier. Some restrictions are to befollowed. In western culture it may be called as friendship tie, which maynot put any restriction. So no disputes. While coming in contact withpersons from Western culture, Knowing some informations, I came to theconclusion that the Marriage for the persons should be studied from fifthand 12th house, considering them as house 'B'. If such study is made foryour chart, the complete scene changes. Jupiter becames more eager to givesuch relations.Lastly when for last 36 years you are in married life with the sameperson, with out any dispute, means you have good blessings from yourancestors, that you are enjoying.krushnaRespected Krusshna,Thank you soo much for this long and elaborate answer.Indeed my husband's Saturn aspects my VenusHis Mars is in the same house as my VenusHis Sun is in the same sign as mineOur Moons have a 3/11 relationshipI will look at this 5th and 12th house as B for marriage in the future because I understand the cultural differences you mentioned.Thanks once moreBest regardsMargaritaDear Margarita,Your husband and you have very good planetary relationship, whichgives very good relations. It gives adjustment from both side, and bothneeds each other. Such couples should be taken as exceptions to all laws.krushnaRespected Krushna,This is the chart of a person who has no childrenI tried to understand whyfemale born 23 of june 1952 at 03.30 hours, zone -1lat 7E29 Long 48N32asc 23�26 taurusSun 9�22 gemini - 3 bindusMoon 17�38 gemini - 3 bindusMars 10�03 Libra - 4 bindusMercury 25�06 gemini - bindusJupiter 20�05 aries 6 bindus Venus 8�52 gemini 5 bindusSaturn 16�08 virgo 3 bindusBy taking the 5th house (virgo) as B the Sun becomes the 12th lord and influences other plantes. BUT Sun canot take this negative signification of 12th lord.I feel Saturn's presence in the 5th is not a sufficient reason to deny childrenIf I think about conception I can look at the 12th as B and there Jupiter as 12th lord is of course a restricting influence. But conception could have happend in other sub periods.If I look at the 9th house as B, Jupiter becomes again lord of the 12th from B and I have the same questionThis person said she didn't want any children. So where do I situate that ? Does your system explain the possibility of having or not having children, and/or also the possibility of not wanting any.By looking at her chart I have the feeling that she is too involved with herself to think about having children, but this has nothing to do with strenght of planets in worksheet.Could you comment on this chart pleaseMany thanksMargaritaDear Margarita,Regarding no childern:With the given data, the ascendent is Gemini. Even If the DST consideredit remain same. My Ayannansha came as 22:10:16, as per my computer. You havegiven Taurus ascendent. Please check the same.All other planets are within reasonable limit.The Moon ( lord of house D, gives zero in 12th house (A) and Saturn giveszero in 5th house (B). Lord of house C is situated in 12th from B.The F.Karak planet Venus, is in Ararda, which spoils it. and It iswith in 3 degrees from Sun. So the F. Karak looses its karakatva.Zero Points due to Saturn in 5th house and zero points due to Moon in12th house indicates no child.The Natural karak Jupiter is in the sight of Sixth lord ( of thechart), Mars, and also it is situated in the sign of mars.All these clealy indicates no child.krushnaRespected Krushna,Thanks for answering my question. I understand perfectly the reasoning. Theonly problem is the asc. At that given time and place the Sun is far from upbecause it's if fact only 02h30 in the morning. Even if it's the longest dayof the year in these latitudes, it's still night. I tried three differentprograms and with the same ayanamsa I obtain 23� Taurus. So the onlypossible error must be that the birthtime is not correct otherwise thisproblem cannot be explained.Thanks anyway for looking at the problemBest regardsMargaritaDear Margarita,The Sun rise for the place is 2:34:34 am and sun set is 06:29:40 pm forthe day. the Gemini ascendent starts at 1:54:57 am and ends 04:14:01.I think this will clear the matter.krushna Dear Anil Kedia,The stock market is based on the Government policy, and over allsituation. The general trend of the stock market depends on the transit ofthe planets and finding the total points acquired by the planets insarvastak. For India you can use the chart for 15th Aug 1947, time 00:01 amDelhi.Find the points for each day, as per the planetary position,Make thetotal. This way you can find points for all the days of the year.Then you can plot it on graph, so deviations or upgradation can beeasily find out. This can give the trend of the market. It can give only 70%reliabilty for stock market. But indicates the overall situation of thecountry in very good manner. Points going instantaneously high indicatessome good decision taken by or action taken by the government. Some timesthe action is delayed by some hours.krushnaRespected Krushna,In following chart I just wondered if the person is not going to face some health and other problems in the coming yearsmale born 18 august 1953 at 07h10 zone -1 makes 06h10 G.M.T.long 3E14 lat 51N13 ayanamsa 22:11:43asc 18�03 leo - Sun 2�48 leo -/ Moon 7�37 scorpio -/ mars 20�18 cancer -/ mercury 15�08 cancer -/ jupiter 29�16 taurus -/ venus 24�01 gemini -/ saturn 0�45 libra -/ rahu 10�51 capricorn.As I got most of past events right(which is never difficult) I'm just wondering that his Venus dasha doesn't look so good.Venus is lord of the 3th which is house A for the 8thJupiter becomes the 12th lord considering the 9th and the 6th as house B and Jupiter has 6 points, scoring -1 for the second house, the house of family and income; he also aspects the 6th of job where he gets 7 points. So I was thinking that Jupiter sub could bring some problems about income and job. In the 10th he is of course strong but his aspects are not. Saturn bhukti seems not happy for the 5th house (as B) because Saturn as lord of the 6th he aspects houses A B and C Mercury bukhti is not favourable because it's lord of the 2nd house Kethu bukti cannot bring much change because it is samdharmi to Moon who is very weak in the worksheet because of Jupiter's aspect. Kethu is also samdharmi to Saturn who is lord of the 6th and to Mercury through conjonction. Perhaps Mars who is very strong can bring some help ? But Mars is samdharmi to Moon and exchanges house with her ? I always get interesting answers and it helps me to reason more along your lines but I feel I have still a long way to go. If I'm not taking up too much of your time, I should appreciate your commentsMany thanks and best regardsMargarita Dear Margarita,You have written zone -1, I think it means GMT -1 , But from thecalculations it seems you have taken it as day saving time(DST). So I havetaken it in the same way.Your reading is very correct.I will add some more for your study, which may be helpful.1. His Saturn is aspecting Mercury ( lord of A, and C for marriage) andSaturn it self is the lord of B, more over Saturn gives zero in 12th house,this indicates delayed marriage. Lord of asc, and 7th from it is in 3:11 ,from Moon 2:12, from Venus 3:11. Means marrital life should be based onadjustment.2. Points in 3:6:10 and 11th house are 26:28:36:28 indicates Service, andmore responsibility compared to earning. From Moon 3:6:10:11 are28:34:28:and 28 , indicates same.3. Moon in fourth house in scorpio with 4 points indicates harse talk, butadjustive nature.4. The ascendent , Moon and Sun in Navamansha, Drekkana, and Trishma chartno one is in the sign ruled by Saturn, indicates average brilliency.5. Mars is getting power due to saturn in the fourth place, so mars becomespowerful. So result for 11th, 12th, 4th, 9th, 10th 2nd, and 1st house can beexperienced in the sub of Saturn and Mars. Mars being the lord of house D,but gets power due to Saturn lord og 12th house from B, will not give goodresult for 7th house.6. Saturn lord of 6th situated in 3rd house and having Zero in the 10thhouse from it, indicates some lungs problem, or similar troublein SaturnSub. He might be having some problems regarding piles.7. Current period will obstruct in personality developement and socialstatus, and also for 9th house.8. Jupiter sub period which is up to April 2003, will be helpful in eternaldevelopement,He must be suggested to eat less spicy food.The Saturns travel in 12th house will be creating some worries, and atthe same time he will have Mercury Sub.krushanaDear Members,Solving the blind analysis for any chart, for the event happenon any perticulat date. One should adopt following procedure, I thinkwith a little practice, one can find reach to the perfection.1. Cast the chart, for the person using his D.O.B, place of birth andtime, using KRUSHNA'S AYANANSHA ONLY. This is more important. Resultusing this ayanansha are more correct. I recommond this ayanansha forany system, for better result.2. Find the Vishontary Dasha, and Sub Dasha3. Find out Main period lord and Sub period lord on the date of theevent.4. Find which houses are having lordship of main period lord, alsofind its samdharmi. The result is generally linked with the karkatvaof the main period lord or its samdharmi. It can represent the housewhere it is situated.5. Find the house/s the sub period lord rules, and the house where itis situated. The sub period lord generally gives the results of 4thor 8th house from its house or 4th or 8th house from its situation.If the samdharmi planet is aspecting any of the house A,B, C, so itcan represents the samdharmi. ( this is going reverse way, As we sayif any planet aspects houseA,B,or C then it's samdharmi will give theresult)6. We can find all the houses, for which the sub lord can give theresult, and its karkatva related to the main lord.For Example if we take the case given by Exercise 5, or ABA 1( name given by Mr Ron) We can find that the main period was of Rahu,and Sub period was of Moon. Now Rahu is situated in 9th house, andrepresents Mars and Saturn. Mars is ruler of 2nd and 9th house. andSaturn is lord of 11th and 12th house.The Moon is sub lord and can can be said to give the result forthe house 'B' are 8th, 12th, 2nd, and 6th house. For 8th housekarkatva goes to Venus, for 12th house karak is Mercury, For 2nd thekarkatva goes to Mars or Rahu, and for 6th house karak is Jupiter.The main period lord represents Mars so only 2nd house.The 2nd house represents the family, death of the husband etc.Now considering Family matter, Moon is weak significator, and alsofor the longevity of husband.Studying other factors, Natural Karak of marriage is Venus andis in krittika, spoils the marital happiness. It's situation in 2ndalso bad.Mercury is more powerful for marriage, as it gets points fromSaturn being in fourth house. But it has to do nothing with thecurrent period.So it can be confirmed that in moon sub period is bad for thelongevity of the husband. so we can say depart from her husband ordemise of her husband.Similar procedure can be followed for solving any blind chart.krushnaRespected Krushna,I try to find out when exactly this person is going to move. I mean by that a big move because he is going to Australia.So I thought at taking the 4th as B. The only thing which seems evident is that he is going to move before his moon subperiod starts in august but to pick out the right moment is difficultHis tob is 04 april 1969 at 16h35 in Bujumbura Burundilat 03S23long 29E22.I'm just curious because different plantes can give the results although it is clear that it will happen in the sun sub; but I don't know where the Sun has to transit to make it happen.Thanks for looking into that if you have timeBest regardsMargarita Dear Margarita,I have taken the time zone GMT + 2 hours due to long 29:22. I think itshould be correct.You said 'moving' it means migrating to australiya with his family,or going alone. If the action is of permanant nature then 3rd house shouldbe treated as 'B'. If it is temparay shifting then 9th house and if it isonly for travelling 12th house. In any case for finding the date of theevent, the transit of sun should be in powerful significators ( Sign andconstellation).krushnaDear Amitabh,House B is the house under focus. For example if youare timing marriage then the house to time marriagefrom is 7th house. So you consider 7th house as B.We call 7th house as "House B".Now Karak sthan for Marriage is 8th from 7th house orHOUSE B and that is denoted by HOUSE A. So thatbecomes 2nd house.The result or phalit sthan is called HOUSE C and thatis 5th house from House B.House D and E are called Samrudhi sthan and areupchaya houses. House D is 10th house from House B soin our case for timing marriage House D would become4th house and House E is 6th from House B so that is12th house.So here I summarise.First find out the house or the event that you want totime. As per Vedic Astrolgy for each event there is aHouse. Choose that house and call that HOUSE B.Now once HOUSE B is fixed... the event and House Bdepend on other houses which being A,C,D and E. TheseHouses areHouse A = 8th From reference of House B.House B = House under FocusHouse C = 5th From reference of House B.House D = 10th From reference of House B.House E = 6th From reference of House B.I hope the terminology is clear.Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshDear Samina,I casted the chart with the data, You have said that the time isapproimate. Based on the event of his first marriage, I think he mayhave been born earlier than the time given. Marriage in Shani antraseems proper and also the seperation and divorse are in line inMercury antra.First lets study the basic indication in the chart. I am taking thechart with Leo Lagna. Krushnaji and Margarita may feel free tocorrect me.Here are some laws that can be seen from the chart :1) With Krushnas Ayanamsa I am getting Guru at 0Li10 so its positionin Rashi and Navamsa is in Libra. This spoils Guru.2) 6th lord is in 4th house.3) Lagna and 7th lords are in 6:8, Moon and 7th lord are in 2:12 andSun and 7th lords are in 4:10.Other Aspects - Profession4) 3:6:10 points are rising and can show that the person is veryindependent in nature.5) 10th lords from lagna/sun/moon are in navamsa of sun, guru, guru.So the native might be in more advisory position or management orteaching position in a graphics designing firm.6) Lagna/Sun/Moon are in more sectors of Mercury and Venus.Timing of Events.The only event given is that the native married on 4th November 1986and divorsed in less than 3 years.With Leo lagna I am getting full delay. After the delay Shan i antrais running. Shani has lowest points for 7th house. So person willmarry during that time and as per the laws given, when an eventhappens in lowest points it will break during planet with highestpoints or LoD or LoE.So when Ketu antra kicked it and Ketu is in sign of Mars and innakshtra of Ketu so Ketu is SD to Mars who is LoD. So morepossibilities of breaking of marriage during Ketu antra. Mars alsohas the highest points for 7th house.So BASED ON THIS ONLY EVENT the timing is matching as per thesystem. I am not going in further to zoom into the proper sector as1 event is not enough for it.Krushnaji and Margarita and others more senior may add or correct me.Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "saminamalik50"<saminamalik50@h...> wrote:> DOB 12 July 1958> Place Lahore.Pakistan.Time approx 10.05 am> Male,by profession a graphic designer.>> He married on 4Nov 1986 and divorced his wife after a little less> than 3 years.{date not well known}Has a boy from this wife.> He has his Jupiter in Libra which is the only reason for a unhappy> married life in his chart.>> He again married after a few years and is pulling on well with his> second wife.Has one boy and 2 girls from his second wife.>> WHAT I AM TRYING TO LOOK FOR:> His first wife complained and he confessed that he has no interestin> sex which was the basic reason for divorce.{he usually used to stay> away for weeks from home inspite of the fact that he was in thesame> town}>> Can any senior member help diagnose this chart for learning pointof> view.>> RGds These days I am in a fix,trying to use the benifits of astrology.Krushna Jee and senior members may please give a guideline.DOB 18th Nov 1979Place Kasur PakistanTime 2.30Pm74.28 E 31.07 NGuru Krushna system shows the following points when 7th house istaken as BMe 25ve 20mo 19su 17sa 14ma 13ju 5Since he has Venus in Jyethia nakshatra I would like to see that hegets married in the sub period of the planet which does not disturbhis married life.FIRST OPTION: If I marry him now in the Sub period of mercury{whichhas highest points} then the next sub period which is that of Ketuwhich is Samdharmi to Saturn in Navamsa chart{lying in the same house}since he has an infflicted Venus {has 3rd sight of Saturn and 4th ofMars and Saturn also aspects sun}the chances of a separation arethere when Saturn transits the 6th house {end of a relationship}during the sub period of Ketu.SECOND OPTION: I should marry him in the sub period of Venus{whichstarts on 8th of Dec 2006} which is followed by sub of sun ,moon,marswhich will take him to the end of 2014 an age of 35 years when hewill be mature enough to take care of himself.A little thinking by fellow members will be highly appreciated.Rgds Dear Krushnaji, Samina, Margarita and list members,You have raised a good topic for discussion. I will put down mythoughts and others may join in ...Lets start with discussing Houses and what it means.12th house----------12th house is house of enjoyments, Moksha apart from other things.Its House E for 7th as B. Its House D for 3rd as B. Its House C for8th as B. It is A for 5th house and B for result of enjoymenet,Moksha etc.12th house is that of Long Journeys. So I would think that 12thhouse as B could mean long distance travels or travels overseas intodays context. 12th house is also House C for 8th house i.e. likeresult after death or phalit sthan of death. Maybe journey to nextlife....... ????. 12th house is also house of Moksha andenjoyments.3rd House---------3rd House. 3rd house as B, for that 12th house becomes D and 10thhouse as B then 3rd house is E. So its eager to give Authority andpleasures or long journey. 3rd house is also 12th from 4th house and4th house is HomeLand apart from other things. As per KAS we knowabout that 12th from B and its effect on B. So it could meandisplacing a person from Home Land, for a long journey (12th house isHouse D) and also might get Authority in another country (10th house).Maybe one can say that one Migrates (12th from 4th) to anothercountry overseas (12th) where he gets authority (10th).9th house---------9th house is 12th from 10th house. Its House D for 12th as B. It isalso House E for 4th house as B.Here it could mean or translate into Travel due to change ofauthority (12th from 10th) to another location (12th) but within HomeLand (4th). So maybe travel due to work.7th house---------7th house is Karak for 12th as B. It is 4th from 4th house so itssubordinate to 4th house so will try to help 4th house and 4th housebeing home land. It is House E to 2nd house and D to 10th. It isalso C to 3rd house.Here it could mean, Short term travels for Authority (10th) but willalso trigger 2nd house so might be close to family and itssubordinate to 4th house so home land. 7th is also 2nd from 6th.house of job so could be work related.In your mail you have asked about reason for travel. I think thatcan be seen from Karak.For death of mother its 5th or SD to 5th lord and for death of fatherits 11th or SD to 11th lord from a childs chart. During antra ofdeath of the parents and if its having relation to 12th house or lordit can mean travel for such a thing. Also daily points one cancheck. If they are low < 196 it could mean that person is feelingmore depressed.It travelling for marriage or other happy ocassion also from dailytransit of points one can get an idea of the mood of the person. Ifits more than 196 it could mean person is happy on that day....But for travel there should be a link to the above houses I feel i.e.antra lord running must have some relation to the above houses.Please feel free to correct me....Cheers !!!Ash , "saminamalik50"<saminamalik50@h...> wrote:> Dear Krushna Ji and Senior list members;>> In one of the posts Krushna Ji mentioned the following.>> 1.Take 3rd house as house B for migration.> 2.Take 9th house as house B for travelling.> 3.Take 12th house for recreational travelling etc.>> I was looking at a chart and observed that when she migrated rule 1> was followed.> She came to see her parents after about 3 years rule 3 was followed> {she came in the antardasa of the planet with less than 12 points}>> QUESTION:[1}Which house is to be taken as B {wether 9 or 12}if she> visit the country on the death of her one of her parents{about thisI> think house 9 should be taken as house B}>> [2]Which house is to be taken as house B if she visits the countryon> the marriage of a brother or sister.{about this I personally think> house 12 should be taken as B}>> Your help in clearing the concept will be highly appreciated.>> rgds>> Samina ar Samina,Yes, death is a happy event. All happy events happen in thestrongest significator or LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E withmore points.Now if the impact of death of a person affects the native then I feelthat it will show low points as person might not be happy or anotherway of looking is the person will cease to get happiness from saymother or father.Whatever events impact the native can be seen from a chart. Indirectevents we need to study more closely on how it may impact thenative. Say death of Father might give inheritance so 8th housemight show a rise in points. 9th house is father and 12th from B is8th house. So 8th MAY go up in points. So inheritance may be how itaffects.Thats my understanding so far.I hope that helps,Cheers !!!AshHello mbaqueen,I am providing the calculated points for your chart for House 7(House B for marriage).They might help you in your analysis.ju - 20, ve - 14, me - 13, ma - 13, mo - 12, su - 10, sa - 09.Also there is an excel sheet in Files section that can calculate thepoints for you.Regards,Manu , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote:> Well, with asc in Sag too I can't find the reason for delay!> Others might be able to help me out.>> Regards,> Manu>> , "Manu Batura"> <manubatura> wrote:> > Oops! I think the asc on the border is what is causing a problem.> > Birth time rectification is required.> >> > I will perform a second try.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> > Manu> >> > , "Manu Batura"> > <manubatura> wrote:> > > Hi,> > >> > > Can you please confirm if your chart is this?> > >> > > ############################################# asc . cap 00�42'> > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # su(4) vir 23�08'> > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # mo(5) gem 29�33'> > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. ke .. # .. mo sa # ju(5) aqu 16�32'> > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # me(4) lib 17�00'> > > ############################################# ve(5) vir 15�53'> > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ma(2) vir 24�50'> > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # sa(5) gem 25�57'> > > # .. ju .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ra .. sco 20�32'> > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ke .. tau 20�32'> > > ############//////RASI//D-1//////############> > > # // .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. #> > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. #> > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. #> > > # .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. #> > > #############################################> > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. #> > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. #> > > # .. .. .. # .. ra .. # .. me .. # ma su ve #> > > # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. #> > > #############################################> > >> > > Actually, I could not find any reason for the delay inmarriage?!> > >> > > It has been a long time since I saw any chart and I might have> made> > a> > > mistake, but can you please verify the birth details?> > > Maybe Ash and others will be able to provide correct analysis.> > >> > > I have taken the following values for Guntur.> > >> > > Long = 80.29E, Lat = 16.18N> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > > Manu> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "mba_queen"> > > <mba_queen> wrote:> > > > Dear gurus,> > > >> > > > Please analyse my chart related to my marriage and marriedlife.> > > >> > > > DOB:oct 9th'1974> > > >> > > > POB:Guntur,India> > > >> > > > TOB:13:05hrs> > > >> > > > Iam not yet married and Iam so curious to know why it is> delayed?> > > And> > > > when it could happen.How my married life will be?> > > >> > > > I tried to calcuate points for each house..but because of my> > > > ignorance I couldn't understand the first step of calculating> > > points> > > > in ASHTAKAVARGA chart.If possible,anyone of you could help in> > > > calculating points of that chart.> > > >> > > > ThanksDear Manu,Welcome back to the list.With Sagittarius lagna here are some observationsSa is in 7th, House B, It is LoA and it conjoins Venus who is LoC innavamsa so full delay. Guru is in Aquarius sign of delay casuingplanet Shani so he cant check delay caused by Sa. So full delay.Please read point 5 in lesson in Lesson 24.Guru also aspects 7th house malefically and this also causes furtherdelay.Cheers !!!AshDear ?How can you go to lesson 24 without first understanding lesson 1 thru23 and casting your worksheet.Manu has given you the points for 7th house. Currently u are goingthrough antra of 6th lord. Lagna and 7th are in nav pancham. Nextantra is that of Sun who has 10 points for 7th however he has goodponits for 12th and 5th and is in House E for 5th with more points.5th and 7th i.e LoD and LoE are having some relation.LAgna has 32 points and lagna and 7th are having 6:8 relation.2nd lord is gaining status by going into primary upchaya sthan in 7thhouse. i.e. in 6th house from 2nd. Lagna and 3rd lords are in navpancham so you have blessings of mother.Like that so many things have to first considred before getting intotiming.Have you read the lesson on Non Maritial Status ? Are any of the lawmatching. Please read even point 5 of lesson 24 carefully. Itsclearly given that Sa with Moon and having less points. In your caseSa is with 4 bindus so on borderline or neutral so it can go eitherway.My suggestion is that before jumping into timing and getting allworried by reading 1 point is not right.You will get married. When I shall leave that to you and others tomake an attempt. Manu had done nice work by assisting you by castingyour worksheet and giving you the poitns for 7th house.I hope that Manu and you continue.Also please post your name out of courtesy.Cheers !!!AshDear ?How can you go to lesson 24 without first understanding lesson 1 thru23 and casting your worksheet.Manu has given you the points for 7th house. Currently u are goingthrough antra of 6th lord. Lagna and 7th are in nav pancham. Nextantra is that of Sun who has 10 points for 7th however he has goodponits for 12th and 5th and is in House E for 5th with more points.5th and 7th i.e LoD and LoE are having some relation.LAgna has 32 points and lagna and 7th are having 6:8 relation.2nd lord is gaining status by going into primary upchaya sthan in 7thhouse. i.e. in 6th house from 2nd. Lagna and 3rd lords are in navpancham so you have blessings of mother.Like that so many things have to first considred before getting intotiming.Have you read the lesson on Non Maritial Status ? Are any of the lawmatching. Please read even point 5 of lesson 24 carefully. Itsclearly given that Sa with Moon and having less points. In your caseSa is with 4 bindus so on borderline or neutral so it can go eitherway.My suggestion is that before jumping into timing and getting allworried by reading 1 point is not right.You will get married. When I shall leave that to you and others tomake an attempt. Manu had done nice work by assisting you by castingyour worksheet and giving you the poitns for 7th house.I hope that Manu and you continue.Also please post your name out of courtesy.Cheers !!!AshDear Ash and Manu, Before asking you something,I would like to say thanks to both of you for analyzing my chart. I got one question(not related to my chart).If the Lord of sun's house and the lord of 7th from sun's house are in same house,how can we calculate points. ThanksHemaashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:Dear Krushnaji and Manu,Yes, I also feel the same and agree with all your findings. Mars is LoE and its in 11th from 12th house so in upchaya and also its in 6th from 5th house. So again 5th and 12th house gain status. Yes its with Venus who is 6th lord and 11th lord and loosing status for 11th house. About 2nd sector is also what I think. So I agree with your findings.Now I would like to confirm IF Moon will not give results.Moon its with 12 points so it can go either way. Studying Status of Moon, Moon is in Krishna Pax and in 12th from 8th. So again loosing status.Now Moon is SD to Karak Shani at the same time its also SD to Mercury. Moon is natural samdharmi to Mars who is LoE. So overall I feel that it does might not give results.Krushnaji when you get a chance can you guide us regarding if Moon can give results for timing of events for marriage.I hope Krushnaji can confirm our findings. Also can you confirm the sector.Here Mars is LoE and there is full delay. So delay will be second sector. Here lagna and 3rd are in 5:9 so will the event happen in 1st sector itself ?If in Moon the event will be in last sector. Is that proper ?Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshIn , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote:Hi Ash,I tried to see Hema's chart again wrt to marriage. Please let me know if there are mistakes. I rectified by -5 mins to get sag asc.First of all, lord of asc (ju) and lord of 7th (me) are in 5:9.lord of mo (me) and lord of 7th from mo (ju) are again in 5:9.Lord of su (me) and lord of 7th from su (ju) are again in 5:9!So, marriage points are 90. That is good.Ve is in nakst of Hasta. Diff from sun is 7.2 degrees. That is good.SAV of hs1 is 32. (So, as Ash analysed, the native might be head strong).For B as hs7, Sa is LoA in rasi as well as navamsa. It is also placed with LoC (ve) in navamsa.And as Ash pointed out, Mo is placed with Sa in hs7 in rasi.So, I am assuming full delay.Full delay ended on 7/14/2002 when native was 27.8 yrs. She has been in me/ve since then which ends on 8/2/2004 when me/su shall start.Looking at the strength sheet, it seems that it was good that the native was not marriage in ve antra since it is lord of 6th. su with low points (10) may not be able to give results either.The next antra is mo. Mo has only 12 points and is afflicted by saturn in 7th. Hence that too may not give results. Actually I am not sure here!Anyways, next antra is ma. Ma has 13 points and is LoE. Hence it is eager to give results.So, marriage may happen is Ma antra from 11/8/2006 to 11/5/2007.It may happen in second sector since Ju has 5th sight on Sa.Regards, Manu In , "ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote:Dear Manu,For finding proper sector I am still practicing it.I will share with you what I have found.If there is a delay causing planet say it can be Venus or Guru or Sa then its last sector. At the same time there is a law that IF THE DELAY CAUSING PLANET IS LOD OR LOE then it will give it in first sector. Now this can be modified buy Zeroes in SAV.We also need to see if say the strong significator is saw with Shani etc. So I am still practicing such things and hopefully will be more confident with more practice.I think here again u need to get an understanding first of the chart and then you can narrow to proper sector.Say delay causing planets antra is running and so it will try to give in 1st sector at the same time there is 1 zero and at the same time say for marriage there lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9it means there is blessing of father or guru so in that case the event MAY happen in the first sector only.So such things and again overall chart should be kept in mind.Thats been my experience this far.Cheers !!! AshIn , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote:Thanks Ash,Also, will it be correct to say that sector selection is used only when Sa itself becomes the significator.Then, we can determine in which sector of its antar-dasha the event happens by the rules.However, what should we do when sa causes full delaybut is not the significator?Ash,I will try to analyse Hema's chart this evening to see if I can figure out the period.Thanks & Regards,Manu In , Ash Sam<ashsam73> wrote:Dear Manu,Sa is delay causing planet and that is clear.When Ju malefically aspects 7th house or its lord then that can also cause further delay.There is also a law when Guru is in lagna with morepoints it can cause seperation or divorse.In such a case it can cause further delay also inselecting the proper sector.It will cause delay.Zeores in SAV also cause delay and so does so many other things for example if venus is spoilt then that can also cause delay.So we should keep all these things in mind.Study each status carefully.Guru in libra can also cause delay.We need to study whole chart.For that we need to solve so many charts and it will come with experience and you will start to get a feeler on such things.Cheers !!! Ash Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote:Hello Ash,I have a few more doubts about delay.The lessons say that Ju and Sa are delay causing planets.Is it that Sa causes delay and Ju checks it or can Jupiter can also cause full delay when there is no delay due to Saturn?In this case how do we measure the delay?Thanks & Regards, Manu In , Ash Sam<ashsam73> wrote:Dear Manu,In that case I would think when it first reaches 0 deg.Thanks,Cheers !!! Ash Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote:Hello Ash, I was refering to the retrogression of Saturn.Regards,Manu In ,"ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote:Dear Manu,How 2 times.Sa is at 16 deg into Cancer so in 2.5 year it will hit 16 deg in Leo and 2.5 year after that into Virgo...............to 0 deg Cancer.So the cycle starts from 16 deg Cancer.So only once.I think it will be clear now. Cheers !!!Ash In ,"Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote:Hello Ash,Thanks a lot. However, sometimes Sa will cut 0 degrees twice.Should we take the first cut or the second?Thanks & Regards,Manu In ,"ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote:Dear Manu,Sorry ignore my previous email too in rush I made mistake.Say Sa is 16 degrees in Cancer.So for full delay caused by Shani it will be till Shani transits around the chartand comes to 0 deg Cancer.Thanks,Cheers !!!AshIn , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote:Hello Ash Read CAN as LIB in previous mail.Regards,Manu In , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote:Hello Ash,I really need to get my concepts cleared about delay before sa causes more delay.I have a few doubts:Let us say that a native was born when Sa was in LIB. Now if there is full delay,should we consider then delay to be from the case when Sa moves from CAN -> PIS (0 degrees)or should we consider it to be from the case when LIB ->LIB(full cycle)-> PIS (0 degrees).I have many many more doubts about delay.I will ask them later.Thanks & Regards,Manu In ,"ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote:Dear Manu, Welcome back to the list.With Sagittarius lagna here are some observations Sa is in 7th, House B, It is LoA andit conjoins Venus who is LoC in navamsa so full delay.Guru is in Aquarius sign of delay casuing planet Shani so he cant check delay caused by Sa. So full delay.Please read point 5 in lesson in Lesson 24.Guru also aspects 7th house maleficallyand this also causes further delay. Cheers !!!AshIn , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote:Well, with asc in Sag too I can't find === message truncated ===Dear Krushnaji, Manu and Hema,Manu and Hema, your previous mail I shall answer in the morning whenI feel more fresh.Here is my understanding.1) 5:9 is nav pancham. Nakshatras in 5:9 houses are same. If yousee from House ABCDE then if you observe keenly House B and C arealways in nav pancham.2) 3:11 are in upchaya which is good.3) 2:12 means disharmony.4) 6:8 means disputes5) 1:7 means 1 and 7th houses are always enemies. So in this caseits more a fight for domination. Natural samdharmi's when in 1:7position cease to become Samdharmis. So for example Venus and Saturnare in opposite houses then they will not be natural samdhamris asthey become like functional enemies. Similarly for Moon and Mars andMoon and Sun.6) Same house : Here they becomes Samdharmis. if the distancebetween the 2 planets is less than 15 degrees then consider them as4:10 and if greater than 15 degrees then consider it as 2:127) 4:10 is boss / subordinate relation or opposition but with respect.About allocating points I shall leave that to Krushnaji.Cheers !!!AshDear Manu,Its the other way. First you see the chart and see happiness is itpromised in the chart. If there are indications of say multiplemarriages or a seperation then in such cases either marriage will bein lowest significator and will break in highest significator or LoDor LoE.Worksheet give u strength of planet for all houses. When the eventwill happen in lowest points from WS or LoD or LoE from WS or highestpoints from WS is our choice based on what we first judge from achart.So use the worksheet to see overall results and to time but that isthe last step. First u have to study the chart and then useWorksheet to time.Now quality of event is different from timing.You can time a marriage i.e. from worksheet. Say you see that achart has problems but still there are no laws fitting for a NoMarriage scenario. Then in that case marriage will take place. Sothat is timing of event. So if someone asks u. .when will I getmarried you can use the worksheet to time it maybe in the weakestsignificator.Now quality of marriage is differnt issue. Problems may start tocreep in when planets with more points come up and about and when LoDor LoE or planets in House D or E come then such things will getenhanced and it MAY break if such things are seen. That is alsotiming of an event.Similarly for Job, see the nature of person, his intellegence,capability first, see his lagna points, and also see where lagna lordis, 6th lord is.. if say lagna lord is in 12th then status of Karakof A for job is weakened. Such things show us something. At thesame time see if Moon is with Rahu then it can show something aboutnatore of the person .. see lagna lord in relation to say 9th lord or11th lord for boss or friends if they are in 5:9 then its nice personis friendly can get along if in 6:8 then it can show some issues...now at the same time say lagna points are over 40 then person can bevery adamenet or sensitive and may break or leave job etc etc....So we need to see all things together. Think over this.Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash Some things are very evident.Ve is in nakshatra of aridra. Divorce is clear.And I can't beleive this, Sa has 57 strength points for hs7! It isalso LoD. The marriage must have happened in Sa antra. Sa has only 2points and it aspects A, B and C. Hence, it directly bags 18 extrapoints for sitting at the right place in the horoscope. Not onlythat, Sa only controls, ju, ve and ma in this horoscope. And havingonly 2 points, it is a very strict master.According to me, since, ve su diff is 28. That is good.Although ve does have sight of sa that spoils the karaktwa. I stilldo not think it might lead to extra-marital relationships.6L mangal has 3 points and hence, is also a cruel slave to Sa. 6L iswith ve, karaktwa of hs7. Hence, it spoils ve too. Ve is alreadyunder Sa's influence.I think it is to do with the interaction of Sa, Ju, Me, and Ma.It will be nice to know the answer from Krushnaji. It seems like aspecial chart!Thanks & regards,Manu , "pjoshi1975"<sunnyjoshi25> wrote:>> Dear Ash, Manu and group,>> This chart Krushnaji gave and asked some questions (see Msg: 2878).> Nobody followed up to answer it. So let us take it up now. It could> be paramour chart.>> Male, July 21,1966> 4:15pm (GMT+5.5) at 28N39, 77E13> I get lagna 22Sc55>> Info given: married in period Aug 92 to Sept 93> Sept 96 to Feb 99 differences started between husband and wife> Wife Left him in Feb 97 to April 98>> Questions asked by Krushnaji are as follows:> is this a case of extra marital relation of the husband?> Or is it a effect of 6L with 2L,7L, and 5L?> Or is it a chart of multiple marriage?>> As Krushnaji mentioned in the post, all planets are getting high> points in WS for 7th house. This can give tendancy extra maritial> relationship. Looking at it I see problems started in end ofMa/Venus> dasa and must have got much worse in Ma/Sun. See points for 5,7,12in> worksheet for these periods they are all high. I can't beleive how> high points get in Sun antar is it for real? He must have got into> extra marital relation in Ma/Ve and it got out of control in sun> antar so wife left him. Please give your comments/analysis.>> Puneet Dear Krushnaji, Puneet, Manu and List members,Basic Chart Observation.------------------------In this chart Mars is with Venus in 1 sign. Venus is in Aadra andits under influence of Shani (4:10). LoE for 7th is conjoining LoDfor 5th (Guru and Venus) are in 1 sign. Moon is in sign of Leo.Lagna and 7th are in 4:10, Moon sign and 7th is in 6:8 and Sun signand 7th is in 5:9.6th lord is conjoining LoB, LoA and aspecting House C. 6th lord isconjoining LoE and is aspecting LoD in navamsa. So its afflictingall primary and secondary upchaya sthan or their lords.All the points for 7th are high.A zero due to Mars in 4th.Shani in 5th with low points.Timing of event.----------------There is full delay due to Sa and its moderated by Jupiter. Thereis additional delay due to Mars in 4th house. Marriage happened inGuru antra.Here from all the above observation this is chart for which marriageis due to 12th house matters. Here Marriage is in Gurus antardasha. Guru is LoE for 12th and LoD for 5th. So its triggering Loveand 12th house matters. Points for Guru for 12th house is also 27.The antra after Venus in Mars MD is that of Sa. Sa has 33 points for12th house, then its Mercury who has less points for 12th. Afterthat came Ketu (Guru), Venus, Sun and Moon. All of them have goodpoints for 12th. Venus and Mars are SD to 2nd lord Guru so againthere will be stress during this stage. Marriage also happened in2nd lords antra so again its showing stress.Then came Rahu/Rahu and Rahu = Mars and 6th lord. Here Mars has only6 points for 5th house and lowest points for 12th house.This marriage is a marriage of 5th and 12th house. When points havegone down its showing the jatak and his wife have seperated.Marriage performed in SD to 6th lord and 2nd lord and 6th lordafflicting A,B,C,D,E or their lords cant give happiness.This is a chart of multiple marriages studded with worries. As soonas passion from a relation ship will end the person will look foranother partner.Krushnaji, please feel free to point out my errors.Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash Dear Krushnaji,I have tried to answer the question. Kindly let me know my mistakes.The following is the rasi chart of the native:############################################# asc . sag 16�02'# .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # su(4) gem 02�43'# .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # mo(4) gem 13�28'# .. ra .. # .. ve .. # .. me .. # .. su mo # ju(5) aqu 15�07'# .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # me(6) tau 10�22'############################################# ve(5) ari 25�11'# .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ma(4) vir 09�39'# .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # sa(2) leo 21�18'# .. ju .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ra .. pis 11�08'# .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. # ke .. vir 11�08'############//////RASI//D-1//////############# .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. ## .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. ## .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. sa .. ## .. .. .. #/////////////////////# .. .. .. ############################################### // .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. ## .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. ## .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. ma ke ## .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. # .. .. .. ##############################################Nakst[asc-ve, su-ma, mo-ra, me-mo, ve-ve, ma-su, ju-ra, sa-ve, ra-sa,ke-mo]Let us consider the quality of marriage:The 7th lord me is in 6th house and is also aspected by Saturn.The natural karak for marriage, Ve, is also lord of 6th house.These indications are not good for the house of marriage and point todivorce.Let us see when the marriage might have happened.There is no delay due to saturn.The following are the dashas:START........MD/AD...2nd sector...3rd sector...Age--------------------10/16/1969 - ju/su - 01/21/1970 - 04/28/1970 - 19.334608/05/1970 - ju/mo - 01/14/1971 - 06/25/1971 - 20.136812/05/1971 - ju/ma - 03/27/1972 - 07/19/1972 - 21.470111/10/1972 - ju/ra - 08/29/1973 - 06/17/1974 - 22.403704/05/1975 - sa/sa - 04/05/1976 - 04/06/1977 - 24.80204/08/1978 - sa/me - 03/01/1979 - 01/23/1980 - 27.810912/16/1980 - sa/ke - 04/30/1981 - 09/12/1981 - 30.502201/25/1982 - sa/ve - 02/14/1983 - 03/06/1984 - 31.611There are also no indications of delayed marriage or no marriage.Hence, the marriage might have happened in the antar dasha of ma withju as MD.Ma has less points for marriage and it is LoE. It is also LoE for12th house.Ma being placed in sign of mercury, it might have happened in thesecondsector from 3/1972 to 7/1972 when native was 21 yrs old.Thanks & Regards,ManuDear Amitabh,5th house is used for degrees, 6th for increase in the status and the10th for profession.You may want to read lesson 28 for this.The fifth house should trigger to obtain any kind of degrees orcertifications. If the current antra makes 5th as LoD or LoE thendegree or certifications can be obtained.But as indicated in the lessons, you should also look at theintelligence of the person.Krushnaji and Ash will be able to explain this in more detail.Thanks & Regards,ManuDear Manu,2nd house is of wealth, family etc. Worksheet is important as itwill give u timing of events. If 12th triggers at the same time also4th is triggering then person may invest in say fixed asset. If 2ndis triggering and 2nd is higher than 11th then the pesron may investin bonds, stocks etc.Personality of the person, how much daring he has, moon status,intellegence, points in WS, SAV all should be checked together.Like this you should apply yourself.Thanks,Cheers !!!Ash , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote:> Hello Krushnaji, Ash, List Members,>> I understand that we can check finance position in an antra by> checking points of 11th and 12th. However, how can we checkfinancial> success of the person during his life. Is there anything besides11th> and 12th SAV that should be checked.>> I have a horoscope of the person who has never been able to push> ahead in terms of finance despite great pains. Every endeavorfailed> subsequently.>> I guess hs9 would also be important in this matter.>> Thanks & Regards,> ManuDear Dadhi,A couple of points as per my understanding.Aquring wealth is different from being born in a wealthy family. Iam talking about wealth generated. In short I am talking of 2ndhouse.Now in this mail you have talked of comparing 10th,11th and 12thhouse. So effort, income and expense. Wealth is 2nd house.If you are comparing 11th with 12th, ineffect you are comparingincome v/s expenditure. If you are comparing 10th, 11th and 12ththen you are trying to see the effort put in (10th) as compared toincome (11th) and at the same time keeping an eye on the expenses socomparing it to expense (12th).Now if we also see 2nd house then we are checking for 2nd housematters and that could be wealth. So now say you are comparing 11thhouse to 2nd house and 12th house.So now say if 11th house is triggering and at the same time forexample 2nd house points are more than 11th and say 12th house isalso triggering so it may mean than the expense is say going towardswealth generation.If 12th house is triggering and say 4th house is also triggering thenit could mean expense for 4th house matters like car or home.Yes we can take other charts for study purposes.In the chart that Sameer gave and he has not commented but in hiscase 4th house was triggering and 12th. He has not commented on myreading as yet for which I am waiting.Multiplication factor is to give an idea on quality as it shows thebacking of a sign.About Transit of Ju and Sa is also very important. We must checkthat also. Actually we must see all 12 houses together.Just as an example say 12th house is triggering and 6th house pointsare low then it could also mean that one is having expense towardssay health bills.These are some guide lines and I also would like to study the same.If we can get some charts and some periods where people acquiredwealth then we can study such things in further detail and hash itout. So infact if we can get charts of people who have worked hardand made wealth during certain times rather than being born in richfamily would be a better exercise atleast in my opinion.Thanking you,Cheers !!!AshDear Swaroopa,You brought your house in Venus antra in Ju mahadasha.Cast your worksheet and you will see the points Ve receives for 4thhouse is the highest. There is no delay so 1st sector and youpurchased it when sun transitted Mars/Mercury sign/nak.Something might have started during Aug 17th-30th and then Sept 13ththru Sept 16th. Can you confirm this.Venus also has high points for all houses. It might have been anoverall good periodThanking you,Cheers !!!Ash Hi,> I bought a site in Bangalore and paid the cost of the land on> 12/12/2002. My DOB:12/12/1970, Place of birth: Hosur, Dharmapuri> district in Tamilnadu (near Bangalore), Time: 0:07:40 (midnight of> twelfth December or early morning of 13th Dec 1970)Would you liketo> consider analysis on my chart ? I paid out of savings and loan.> SwaroopaDear Kamlesh,Check your SAV points in 11th and 12th house. 12th house points are38 and 11th is 32. Is this expenditure pattern surprising.Cast your worksheet and compare the points of 11th and 12th house.You will see that point of 12th is more than 11th for all house soyou will be spending more except in the antra of sun.Last May you were running Ra/Ma. Ma has 11 points in 5th, 13 in 11thand 14 in 12th. Points in 2nd house is also 12 so it can go eitherway. Back in May Sa and Ju points were 7.Please cast your worksheet and read the lessons. What I have writtenwill become clear.Thanks,Cheers !!!Ash , "krsham"<krsham> wrote:>> Hi,>> How about this chart:>> DOB: Jan 26, 1981> TOB: 19:55> Place: Manila, Philippines>> The subject has incurred a great financial loss in an attempted> venture in speculation last May. He has Ju - Sat - Moon in thesecond> house and the 2nd lord is in 6th house. He is running Rahu Mahadasa> and Rahu is in his house of expenditures (12th house).>> What will be his expenditure pattern and where will he invest(fixed> assets or liquid cash)? Is speculation advisable for such a person?> How will his financial standing be?>> Regards,>> KamleshHi Ash,> My first application to BDA for the site got rejected in August(the> deposit money was returned then) and I applied a second time in> September. Yes, life has been good for me until now.> SwaroopaDear Franco,How sure are u of this birth time.Is this chart of male or female ?Is this the first marriage of the native ?Cheers !!!Ash , "franco_well"<francowell@n...> wrote:>> Dear learned list members.....>> What astrological factors were present> on 3-30-1980 supporting marriage for> a person born on 6-30-1949 @ 7:56AM> in Pottstown, PA?>> Namaste.....FrancoDear Franco,Ok. Thanks for the clarification.As per KAS here is my analyisis.Sa is in 2nd house with 0 points. It is aspecting house C (11thhouse) and Itself is LoB (7th house). It is situated in Karak sthanwith 0 points.This gives delay to about 26.5 year i.e on March 5th 1975 Sa crossed20 deg in Gemini. After that there is additional delay of about 10%due to Sa as he is giving 0 points to karak sthan. So 26.5 * 1.10 =29.8 years. So marriage will be after this age.Antra running at that time is Mars in Moon Mahadasha. Moon is inKarak sthan and in 2nd from own house. Its with 4 points. So cangive marriage in its Mahadasha.Now when delay gets over last part of Mars antra is running. Marshas 11 points for 7th house. Next antra after that is that of Rahu.Rahu is samdharmi to Guru and Mercury. Mercury is LoE. So Rahu willstep in as one of the planets is aspecting primary significator house.Now we have narrowed down to Moon MD and Rahu mahadasha. Nownarrowing it down further. Here there is full delay and here Rahu isrepresenting mercury who is LoE. So it is very eager to give result.So delay is reduced 2nd sector.Now narrowing it down further we will use suns transit. Here Mercuryis strongest significator and rahu is also SD to Mercury. So sunstransit over Mercury-Rahu will be the strongest. Sun transitsMercury Sign and nakshtara of Rahu from June 22nd thru July 5th. Themarriage was held on 30th June 1980.Death of Mother : March 1990 during Mars/Jupiter. Mars is 3rd lordfrom 3rd house and antar of planet in House D i.e. Guru in 7th housewith 5 bindus.Cheers !!!AshDear Franco,Here is the break upMoon Rahu 1979-May-20 1980-Nov-18Sector 1 1979-May-20 1979-Nov-19Sector 2 1979-Nov-19 1980-May-19Sector 3 1980-May-19 1980-Nov-18I have said 2nd sector is when marriage will take place. I made amistake the period I took was falling outside the 2nd sector.You can find the probable dates using probable date finder.All these things are given in the lessons. You can download the sameand apply it for all events of your life.Cheers !!!AshDear Mr. Ash,Yes! They match perfactly.Regardsrahul , Ash <ashsam73>wrote:> Dear Rahul,> Please address me as Ash.> When there is transfer the the place of work changes, the bosseschanges, environment changes and location changes. 6th, 5th,9thhouse, 10th hosue will reflect that. That is why I picked thoseantras at a glance. Have you checked if they match.> Cheers !!!> Ash>>> Rahul <astro_ra> wrote:>>> Dear Ash Ji!,>> I had last changed my job in may 2000. After that there is no job> changes. Yes Of course change of Places (transfers) are there inthis> tennure in the same company.> 1. Transfer to Derahadun in april 2001 to Sep'01 than back to H.O.> 2. Transfer to Delhi in Nov'02 and bach to H.o in Apil'03.> 3. Promoted (without any financial hike) and transfered back todelhi> i in July'03.>> Prior to this I had changed my job in Feb'95 and June'96,>> Jobless period Oct'98 to April'99>> Joined a job in April'99 and left that Job in Oct'99. Again Jobless> till May'2000. During this Period I had Done some additional> Certification Course after leaving the Job. Hope this information> will help you analysing my chart.>> Is ther any possibility of Change of Job in near future?>> Thanking You,>> Regards> Rahul>> , "ashsam73"> wrote:> >> > Dear Rahul,> > Can you also give the job changes. You might have had job changes> > during ve, me and sun antra's as per KAY.> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> >> > , "ashsam73"> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Manu, Dadhi and list members,> > >> > > This is a very interesting chart. We should discuss it.> > >> > > I have casted the chart using the time given by the native.> > >> > > If Rahul can provide more detail regarding line of work, anylove> > > relationships, previous marriages, degree it will help in> analysis.> > >> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > >> > > , "Rahul"> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Mr. Manu,> > > >> > > > At the outset thanks you for your interest. Sir the> > > >> > > > Lattitude is : 18.46 N> > > >> > > > Longitude is :84.05 E.> > > >> > > > It is in India and hence timezone is +5.30Hrs and No Daylight> > > saving> > > > time.> > > > Thanking you again,> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Rahul> > > >> > > > , "ManuBatura"> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Rahul,> > > > >> > > > > Can you please let us know the latitude and longitude ofthe> > > place> > > > > and the time zone. Also was there any daylight saving timein> > > > effect.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > Manu> > > > >> > > > > , "Rahul"> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > >> > > > > > Can any one please tell me about my financial future and> > > marraige.> > > > > >> > > > > > My Date Of Birth is 1st April 1969> > > > > >> > > > > > Time Of Birth is 17:09> > > > > >> > > > > > Place of Birth is Parlakimidi.> > > > > >> > > > > > I am more worried about my future. Whether I will have a> > > > > successfull> > > > > > married life. When I will get marry?> > > > > >> > > > > > According to my computer generated horoscope, thestrength> of> > > my> > > > > 11th> > > > > > house(ashtakVargo) is more in comparing to strength of> other> > > > houses> > > > > > (which indicates Comforts, Cash in-flow and friends), but> in> > > fact> > > > > > this is not true in my case(I don't have a single friend> > even,> > > > > cash> > > > > > in flow is not good etc.). Is there any chance of gettinga> > > wrong> > > > > > report. Is there any chance of getting a wrong> report,because> > > of> > > > > > wrong birth time in some minutes. The Birth time may be> Plus> > or> > > > > Minus> > > > > > 5 minutes. Please Help me.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Rahul> "Manu Batura" <manubatura> Mon Nov 8, 2004 4:27 pm Re: Query regarding marriage Dear Ash,I tried to analyse Yogesh's chart but I have a query.Full delay is clearly evident in the chart since Sa is in 5th house.His father's death happened in Ve/Ra, Ve is SD to Ju (loa for 4th).Ra isSD to Saturn (highest significator for 4th).I tried to determine the time of marriage. A very good maritalcompatibilityis seen from the chart and it seems to me that is shall be anarranged marriage.However, I am facing some problems narrowing down the event ofmarriage.It is clear that Sa shall gie the event after full delay that endedon 7/14/2002. However, since Sa is LoE I would have expected that themarriage should have happened in the 1st sector of the antra. I can'tunderstand why it did not happen?Does the time require further rectification?Thanks & Regards,Manu , Jitjag<jitjag1> wrote:> Hi Manu ,>> Sorry ... Time of Birth is 7.00 AM and not 7.00 PM ...>> Thank You,>>> Yogesh>> Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote:>> Dear Yogesh,>> Are you sure of your Birth time?>> Thanks & Regards,> Manu>> , "jitjag1"> <jitjag1> wrote:> >> > Hi Ash and other learned mebers,> >> > As given on main page I am providing following information �> >> > 1) Complete birth data.> >> > Birth date : 5th March 1975> >> > Time of Birth : 7.00 PM> >> > Birth Place : Malad � Mumbai, Maharashtra, India> >> >> > 2) Education level of the native.> >> > Electronics Eng. passed in 1996.> >> > 3) Means of earning a living, and when the job began. Any changein> > jobs, date of pay raise, etc.> >> > Occupation : Software eng.> > Date of first job : 10-March-1997.> > Change of Job : 01-Jun-2001.> >> > Came to US for onsite assignment on 10-March-2003.> >> > Till Last year every year got promoted to next level.> >> >> > 4) If married then give the date of marriage. Please also mention> if> > it is a pre-arranged marriage or a love marriage. Also, give the> > chart of the life partner.> >> > Not married> >> > 5) If there are problems in the marital life, please specify with> > date.> >> > NA..> >> > 6) If there are children, then give their dates of birth.> > NA> >> > 7) Specify whether parents are still living. If not, give their> > dates of passing.> >> > Father expired in 04-Sep-1997> >> >> > Could you please tell me when will I get married �.> >> >> > Thank You,> >> >> > Yogesh Dear Manu and Yogesh,Good question Manu. As per our laws if the delay causing planet isLoD or LoE then it should give the result in the 1st sector. Soeither both of us are overlooking something or birth data needsfurther rectification.One thing here Shani is in House E for 12th as B with less points soit may have given some closeness with someone.I would like to confirm this.Secondly I would like to confirm if Yogesh was brought up by someonewho is not his mother.Thirdly I would like to Ask yogesh regarding the accuracy of thebirth time and the source.Thanks,Cheers !!!AshDear Raji,1:7 means the lords are in sign of enemies. 1:7 or 7:7 as some writeit means there is a struggle for domination.Yes, Raji, I agree atleast 2-3 points much match if we go verbatimhowever in this chart there are other factors or you can saypsychological factors.a) Venus is too close to sun. She is not the romatic kind. Evenmight not be comfortable around guys. Please confirm this. Ifanyone opposes or has any difference of opinion with what she isthinking she might not like that ...b) She might not even bother too much with keep things in properplace or might not be very particular about how she dresses upeither. Again can you please confirm this...Now she is very intellegent and she knows it and might think that sheis always right. Will not easily accept let alone compromise.She is very independent and either might be (or in time) will rise toprominent position of authority or will do her own business. Sheneeds that space to do things her way. If her bosses oppose her shewill not like it or may leave job / jobs.Now again Rahu is aspecting moon so again she will be obsessive aboutthings she does or she will not like to rest till she finishes thetasks she takes up.She is not the emotional kind of person but she would be verysensitive. If the person she dates/marries does not take care shewill walk off....She may look for someone having higher status than her.Also 6th lord is conjoining and aspecting all planets. Now also mostplanets are aspecting 9th house in such cases the person itselfbecomes very hard work. She also will not beleive much insuperstitions and might want to see things first beforeaccepting/beleive them.Now blessing of father/guru is also very important in any chart.Here Lagna/9th lords are in 1:7.Now venus also has less points for 2nd house. Venus is NK formarriage and its spoilt by being very close to Sun and being aspectedby Sa and also conjoins Mars.Here considering all factors I think that this lady might be so busywith her job/autority and working that she may not have time foranything else. If she might be in relationships it might not lastlong ...I hope others join in this disucssion so that we get some moreclarity...This is an interesting chart... thanksCheers !!!Ash , "raji1153"<raji1153> wrote:>> As per lesson 24, there should be 2-3 points satisfying, right?> I could not find a single point satisfying.>> Considering other lessons like rules for analysing marriage> etc, nothing is metioned about 7:7 relationship between Lagna lord> and seventh lord and for the Lords of the Moon Sign and Sun Signand> the seventh lords from these. Hence I'm not able to come to a> conclusion at all.>> , Ash<ashsam73>> wrote:> > Dear Krushnaji, Manu, Dadhi and list members,> >> > I am pasting the degree of planets.> >> > Planet/DegreeNakshatraLordNavamsaAs28 Cp 31DhanisthaMaViSu22 Pi> 27RevatiMeCpMo23 Pi 27RevatiMeAqMa21 Pi 57RevatiMeCpMe1 Pi 42Purva> BhadrapadaJuCnJu11 Vi 40HastaMoArVe21 Pi 49RevatiMeCpSa13 Vi> 10HastaMoArRa14 Cn 57PushyaSaScKe14 Cp 57SravanaMoTa> >> >> > In this chart is there marriage ?> >> > My analysis is> >> > 1) Lagna points are very high of 46.> > 2) lagna/sun/moon is falling in 4 sectors of Sa in d3, d9 and> trishansha.> > 3) Venus to Sun distance is Less than 1 degrees and is aspectedby> Sa and it conjoins mars.> >> > 4) As per Lesson 24 (Rules for non maritial status and point 7and> I quote it says "When Venus and Moon are situated in any 1 houseand> Sa and Ma are situated in 7th house from them it gives nomarriage"> >> > In this chart Ve (spoilt) and Mo is in 3rd house and its aspected> by Sa from 9t however Mars conjoins this combination. So u get Ve,> Mo, Ma and aspected by Sa. Can this be treated the same or doesthe> combination HAS to be as its given i.e. Ve and Mo in 1 sign and Sa> and Ma in 7th ?> >> > Can you please clarify ?> >> > 5) DBCE poitns from Sun and Moon are in rising order and all> points of 10th and 11th . Good income and authority, independent,> head strong / adament.....> >> > The native seems to be very adament, egoistic and having a lot of> pride, but practical in approach.. and hard working..> >> > No blessing of father or guru is in this chart either ... lagna> and 7th lords are in 1:7 again problems with adjusment...> >> > Is there a marriage in this chart considering all these factors ?> >> > Can you please guide....> >> > Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> >> >> >> > raji1153 <raji1153> wrote:> >> >> > Dear learned members,> >> > I'm finding the analysis of this chart extremely difficult> > with every planet occupying either the 3rd or the 9th house. All> > rules laid out seem to hold true for this horoscope with planets> > either in association or aspecting each other. Will somebody be> kind> > enough to analyse this horoscope...> >> > Birth Details :> > ------------------> > DOB : 5th April, 1981.> > TOB : 03:30 AM> > POB : Belgaum, Karnataka.> > Gender : Female.> >> > - Education level of the native - Electronics engineeringGraduate.> > - Means of earning a living - Software Professional> > - when the job began - 7th Oct 2002.> > - Any change in jobs, date of pay raise - Switched to a different> > company On 23 Dec, 2003.> >> > - If married then give the date of marriage. Please also mention> if> > it is a pre-arranged marriage or a love marriage. Also, give the> > chart of the life partner - Not Married.> > - If there are problems in the marital life, please specify with> > date - NA> > - If there are children, then give their dates of birth - NA> > - Specify whether parents are still living - Yes.> > - Any accident, or similar event with date - None.> >> > Thanks in advance. Let me mark my answers below. But before that, I would like to say acouple of things about this native.She is the only daughter to her parents, born after a long struggle.Her mother had 2-3 miscarriages before she was born. She led a lifeof protected childhood all through her teens and college life.Excelled in academics and dance and music. Dance has been herpassion. She had to leave home for her first job. Second job tookher further away from home. Very attached to parents and home and isnow desparately trying for a transfer/change of job to go tohometown.She is quite goodlooking and has a great sense of humour, and henceis very popular among the opposite sex. But yes, guys also feel thattheir egos are hurt with her statements.She is currently involved in a relationship with her ex colleague.This has been going on since Feb 2003. Her parents however are notfavoring this. Guess she's waiting for their consent. There isabsolutely no problems from the guy's side, I suppose. But will theywait is yet to be seen.Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to my Briefcase ] Thanks Ash,Ash, I was also thinking about the Mo and Sa in 7th togetherscenario. Why does this combination delay marriage?Is there an explanation wrt points?One thing is sure the combination gives less AV points to 7th house,only 6 if we do not consider the other planets.However, this cannot be the only reason, since there are many morecombinations of mo and sa too that give low points to hs7.For example, mo in asc and sa in 6th give only 5 points.It seems like an 8 dimensional clock (disregarding ra and ke)!with 12^8 combinations (actually not quite since me and ve can't goaway from su that much). But then we have divisionals too. Great! :)Thanks & Regards,Manu , "ashsam73"<ashsam73> wrote:> Dear Manu,> Its the other way. First you see the chart and see happiness is it> promised in the chart. If there are indications of say multiple> marriages or a seperation then in such cases either marriage willbe> in lowest significator and will break in highest significator orLoD> or LoE.>> Worksheet give u strength of planet for all houses. When the event> will happen in lowest points from WS or LoD or LoE from WS orhighest> points from WS is our choice based on what we first judge from a> chart.>> So use the worksheet to see overall results and to time but that is> the last step. First u have to study the chart and then use> Worksheet to time.>> Now quality of event is different from timing.>> You can time a marriage i.e. from worksheet. Say you see that a> chart has problems but still there are no laws fitting for a No> Marriage scenario. Then in that case marriage will take place. So> that is timing of event. So if someone asks u. .when will I get> married you can use the worksheet to time it maybe in the weakest> significator.>> Now quality of marriage is differnt issue. Problems may start to> creep in when planets with more points come up and about and whenLoD> or LoE or planets in House D or E come then such things will get> enhanced and it MAY break if such things are seen. That is also> timing of an event.>> Similarly for Job, see the nature of person, his intellegence,> capability first, see his lagna points, and also see where lagnalord> is, 6th lord is.. if say lagna lord is in 12th then status of Karak> of A for job is weakened. Such things show us something. At the> same time see if Moon is with Rahu then it can show something about> natore of the person .. see lagna lord in relation to say 9th lordor> 11th lord for boss or friends if they are in 5:9 then its niceperson> is friendly can get along if in 6:8 then it can show some issues...> now at the same time say lagna points are over 40 then person canbe> very adamenet or sensitive and may break or leave job etc etc....>> So we need to see all things together. Think over this.>> Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> Ash>>> , "Manu Batura"> <manubatura> wrote:> > Dear Ash,> >> > Thanks for your reply.> >> > I have one more query. It is dealing with quality of events.> >> > Now the lessons state that the quality of the event and timing of> the> > event are two different things and should not be mixed together.> >> > We also find that when the event takes place in the significator> > having lowest points the results are bad.> >> > So, can we apply this rule that when the karaka is spoilt andtheir> > are other indications too the the results will be spoilt then we> can> > use the lowest significator to time events.> >> > In this case, we shall be using the quality of the event to time> the> > event but that may be the correct thing to do.> >> > Will this be the appropriate thing to do?> >> > Regards,> > Manu> >> >> >> > , "ashsam73"> > <ashsam73> wrote:> > > Dear Krushnaji and Manu,> > >> > > Yes, I also feel the same and agree with all your findings.> > >> > > Mars is LoE and its in 11th from 12th house so in upchaya and> also> > > its in 6th from 5th house. So again 5th and 12th house gain> > status.> > > Yes its with Venus who is 6th lord and 11th lord and loosing> status> > > for 11th house. About 2nd sector is also what I think. So I> agree> > > with your findings.> > >> > > Now I would like to confirm IF Moon will not give results.> > >> > > Moon its with 12 points so it can go either way. StudyingStatus> > of> > > Moon, Moon is in Krishna Pax and in 12th from 8th. So again> > loosing> > > status.> > >> > > Now Moon is SD to Karak Shani at the same time its also SD to> > > Mercury. Moon is natural samdharmi to Mars who is LoE. So> overall> > I> > > feel that it does might not give results.> > >> > > Krushnaji when you get a chance can you guide us regarding if> Moon> > > can give results for timing of events for marriage.> > >> > > I hope Krushnaji can confirm our findings. Also can youconfirm> > the> > > sector.> > >> > > Here Mars is LoE and there is full delay. So delay will be> second> > > sector. Here lagna and 3rd are in 5:9 so will the event happen> in> > > 1st sector itself ?> > >> > > If in Moon the event will be in last sector. Is that proper ?> > >> > > Thanking you,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Manu Batura"> > > <manubatura> wrote:> > > > Hi Ash,> > > >> > > > I tried to see Hema's chart again wrt to marriage. Please let> me> > > know> > > > if there are mistakes.> > > >> > > > I rectified by -5 mins to get sag asc.> > > >> > > > First of all, lord of asc (ju) and lord of 7th (me) are in5:9.> > > > lord of mo (me) and lord of 7th from mo (ju) are again in 5:9.> > > > Lord of su (me) and lord of 7th from su (ju) are again in 5:9!> > > >> > > > So, marriage points are 90. That is good.> > > >> > > > Ve is in nakst of Hasta. Diff from sun is 7.2 degrees. Thatis> > good.> > > > SAV of hs1 is 32. (So, as Ash analysed, the native might be> head> > > > strong).> > > >> > > > For B as hs7, Sa is LoA in rasi as well as navamsa. It isalso> > > placed> > > > with LoC (ve) in navamsa.> > > >> > > > And as Ash pointed out, Mo is placed with Sa in hs7 in rasi.> > > >> > > > So, I am assuming full delay.> > > >> > > > Full delay ended on 7/14/2002 when native was 27.8 yrs. Shehas> > > been> > > > in me/ve since then which ends on 8/2/2004 when me/su shall> start.> > > >> > > > Looking at the strength sheet, it seems that it was good that> the> > > > native was not marriage in ve antra since it is lord of 6th.su> > > with> > > > low points (10) may not be able to give results either.> > > >> > > > The next antra is mo. Mo has only 12 points and is afflictedby> > > > saturn in 7th. Hence that too may not give results. ActuallyI> am> > > not> > > > sure here!> > > >> > > > Anyways, next antra is ma. Ma has 13 points and is LoE. Hence> it> > is> > > > eager to give results.> > > >> > > > So, marriage may happen is Ma antra from 11/8/2006 to11/5/2007.> > > >> > > > It may happen in second sector since Ju has 5th sight on Sa.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Manu> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "ashsam73"> > > > <ashsam73> wrote:> > > > > Dear Manu,> > > > > For finding proper sector I am still practicing it.> > > > > I will share with you what I have found. If there is adelay> > > > causing> > > > > planet say it can be Venus or Guru or Sa then its last> sector.> > > At> > > > > the same time there is a law that IF THE DELAY CAUSINGPLANET> > IS> > > > LOD> > > > > OR LOE then it will give it in first sector. Now this canbe> > > > > modified buy Zeroes in SAV.> > > > > We also need to see if say the strong significator is saw> with> > > > Shani> > > > > etc. So I am still practicing such things and hopefullywill> > be> > > > more> > > > > confident with more practice.> > > > > I think here again u need to get an understanding first of> the> > > > chart> > > > > and then you can narrow to proper sector.> > > > >> > > > > Say delay causing planets antra is running and so it willtry> > to> > > > give> > > > > in 1st sector at the same time there is 1 zero and at the> same> > > time> > > > > say for marriage there lagna and 9th lords are in 5:9 it> means> > > > there> > > > > is blessing of father or guru so in that case the event MAY> > > happen> > > > in> > > > > the first sector only.> > > > >> > > > > So such things and again overall chart should be kept in> mind.> > > > Thats> > > > > been my experience this far.> > > > >> > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Manu> Batura"> > > > > <manubatura> wrote:> > > > > > Thanks Ash,> > > > > >> > > > > > Also, will it be correct to say that sector selection is> used> > > > only> > > > > > when Sa itself becomes the significator.> > > > > > Then, we can determine in which sector of its antar-dasha> the> > > > event> > > > > > happens by the rules.> > > > > >> > > > > > However, what should we do when sa causes full delay butis> > not> > > > the> > > > > > significator?> > > > > >> > > > > > Ash, I will try to analyse Hema's chart this evening tosee> > if> > > I> > > > > can> > > > > > figure out the period.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Manu> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , Ash Sam> > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Manu,> > > > > > > Sa is delay causing planet and that is clear.> > > > > > > When Ju malefically aspects 7th house or its lord then> > > > > > > that can also cause further delay.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There is also a law when Guru is in lagna with more> > > > > > > points it can cause seperation or divorse.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In such a case it can cause further delay also in> > > > > > > selecting the proper sector. It will cause delay.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Zeores in SAV also cause delay and so does so many> > > > > > > other things for example if venus is spoilt then that> > > > > > > can also cause delay.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So we should keep all these things in mind. Study> > > > > > > each status carefully.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Guru in libra can also cause delay.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We need to study whole chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > For that we need to solve so many charts and it will> > > > > > > come with experience and you will start to get a> > > > > > > feeler on such things.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > Ash> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote:> > > > > > > > Hello Ash,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have a few more doubts about delay.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The lessons say that Ju and Sa are delay causing> > > > > > > > planets.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Is it that Sa causes delay and Ju checks it or can> > > > > > > > Jupiter can also> > > > > > > > cause full delay when there is no delay due to> > > > > > > > Saturn?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In this case how do we measure the delay?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > Manu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , Ash> > > > > > > > Sam> > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear Manu,> > > > > > > > > In that case I would think when it first reaches 0> > > > > > > > > deg.> > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > > Ash> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Hello Ash,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I was refering to the retrogression of Saturn.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Manu> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > > > > "ashsam73"> > > > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu,> > > > > > > > > > > How 2 times.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sa is at 16 deg into Cancer so in 2.5 year it> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > hit 16 deg in> > > > > > > > > > Leo> > > > > > > > > > > and 2.5 year after that into Virgo> > > > > > > > ...............> > > > > > > > > > to 0 deg Cancer.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > So the cycle starts from 16 deg Cancer.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > So only once.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I think it will be clear now.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > > > > Ash> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > > > > "Manu Batura"> > > > > > > > > > > <manubatura> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ash,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. However, sometimes Sa will cut> > > > > > > > 0> > > > > > > > > > degrees twice.> > > > > > > > > > > Should> > > > > > > > > > > > we take the first cut or the second?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Manu> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > > > > "ashsam73"> > > > > > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry ignore my previous email too.. in> > > > > > > > rush I> > > > > > > > > > made mistake.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Say Sa is 16 degrees in Cancer. So for> > > > > > > > full> > > > > > > > > > delay caused by> > > > > > > > > > > Shani> > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > will be till Shani transits around the> > > > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > > and comes to 0 deg> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > > , "Manu> > > > > > > > > > Batura"> > > > > > > > > > > > > <manubatura> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ash> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read CAN as LIB in previous mail.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ManuIn , "Manu Batura"<manubatura> wrote:Hello Ash,I really need to get my concepts cleared about delay before sa causes more delay.I have a few doubts:Let us say that a native was born when Sa was in LIB. Now if there isfull delay,should we consider then delay to be from the case when Sa moves from CAN -> PIS (0 degrees)or should we consider it to be from the case when LIB ->LIB(full cycle) -> PIS (0 degrees).I have many many more doubts about delay.I will ask them later.Thanks & Regards,ManuIn ,"ashsam73" wrote:Dear Manu,Welcome back to the list.With Sagittarius lagna here are some observationsSa is in 7th, House B, It is LoA and it conjoins Venus who is LoC innavamsa so full delay. Guru is in Aquarius sign of delay casuingplanet Shani so he cant check delay caused by Sa. So full delay.Please read point 5 in lesson in Lesson 24.Guru also aspects 7th house malefically and this also causes further delay.Cheers !!!Ash New Lesson " Vyavsaya Jatak " ( Occupation )This is one of the branch of astrology, todetermine the favorable occupation of the jatak.Earning and the occupation are two different things.If a person doing the work as per his liking, does notmean that he will earn more. Planetary position candecides the liking of the person, In which subject hecan have his liking, in which subject a person can goahead. How much money he can earn is entirelydifferent thing. From the chart we can find out, inwhich line a person can utilise his capecity tomaximum.A person may be in any occupation, or business,the earning is depends on his DHANYOG.A foolish wealthy person can get respect in thesocity. A wise, but poor person donot get any respectin the society. That is the reason every person wantsto earn money. Happiness can not be purchased bymoney, still it is undoubtably true that money is themain intrument to to get happiness. So every body,even a poor or wealthy person, is interested to knowthat how much wealth I will earn.To be a wealthy person, to get substantialmoney in life ( unearned money, lottery), or gettingsubstantial money by own efforts, all these things aredepends on planetary positions at the time of birth. Aperson can utilise his capecity to maximum possible.A vehicle speedometer is having speed tomaximum may be up to 200 KMH, but a person can driveit up to the speed he can control it. This dependsupon the capecity of the person. Same way a person canearn to his capecity.Still there is something different then work.A person gets ample money by the way of will, or bybeing adopted by some wealthy person, or by gettinglottery, Here only the luck factor is responsible.In a perticular business one person getssubstential money, and other in the same work loosesevery thing.Some person all of a sudden gets promosionand becames higher officer, other more capeble persongets redradation. All these are the game of stars.All these things we can read to some extentfron the birth chart, and can be utilised to somelimit for benefit.The result of any house can not be determinedfrom the sign in that house or the planets situated inthat house. For this we must find the strength ofthese house and planets.Only the astakvarg system is the mostreliable system which gives the correct strength ofthe planets and the houses.For finding the capebility of the person, wemust know his brilliency, his memory, his graspingpower. It can be decided, which line will be suitablefor the person. The lord of 10th house and itssamdharmi planets can guide, which line will besuiatable. This should be checked from the 10th housefrom Lagna, Sun and Moon.Fourth house indicates the knowedge. Karakfor knowedge is Saturn. If Lagna, Sun and Moon aresituated in the house owned by Saturn in Navamansha,Trishansha, and Dreshkona charts. If no one issituated in the house of Saturn then the person havesharpness of grasping below average. If in one house,person is some what brillient of average capecity. Twoplaces means above average, and if three places thengod memory and sharpness. ( This phenomenon can beused for rectification of the birth time )Skill of the person depends upon the graspingpower. More skillful work requires more sharpness ofmind.some of the Work or business denoted by the 10thlord and its samdharmi as fallows:Sun: Then business related to Gold, ornaments,Speculations, Gove Services, Authority, Polytics,executors of any task, Factioory owner etc.Moon : Silver, liquid substances, Drinks, Eatable,Liquid medicines, liquor, Female utility materials,singing and cenema talkies etc.Mars : Militery, Police officer, Sergon, Skilled inopersating machines, buchers, Steel and cast ironwork, Weapons and tools manufacturing, Constructionalmaterial, Blood and medicines which makes personunconsous are under the control of Mars.Mercury: Printing press, Books, publisher, newspapers, post office, courier services, Insurence,writers, students, vehicles, railway, Computers softwares etc.Jupiter: Civil court matters, Judges, advocates,solisitors, Professors, teachers, School, Colleges,Commercial sea services, transports eating houses,computers hardwares etc.Venus: Art and design works, actors, Dance, music,Pearls, tiolets, perfumes, graded eating houses,nursing homes, sweets makeup materials for womens etc.Saturn: Mines, Minerals, labors, granes, oil,lubricants, Wood, old man, farming, sanitation, allsorts of hard work.These are few works. Now with combinationsof two ore more planets, this list can be un ending.After determination of the brilliency, andthe suiable line, we should find out the earning, andfavourable planets.The Worksheet is very important tool forthis. From the work sheet we can find the most strongplanet, and most strong house.The vertical total of every planet should beminimum 144, and must get minimum 12 points in 2, 5,8, 10 and 11th houses. The planet which gets minimum12 points for all the houses is more powerful. Weshould not go on the total only. It should not givenegative points for any house.Suppose there are two planets say X and Y.Total of planet X is say 175, and that of Y is 150.Planet X is having less then 12 points for 10 and 11.other houses are having more points, where as Y ishaving minimum 12 points for all the house. Then Yshould be treated as more powerful.Similarly We must find the total of thepoints gained by each planet for every house. Thehouse which gets more then 12 points due to all theseven planets should be treated as strong. The totalpoints should not be less then 84. ( IN MY LAST NOTESI HAVE WRITTEN BY MISTAKE 72, WHICH SHOULD BECORRECTED.)Points against D,B,C and E houses agains 6thhouse should be less then 28. For Own work or higherposting these points should be in rising order.If deviation is more in the points of abovehouses, then it indicates service, or lower work.For higher authority, and for havingsubordinates under any person, lors of trine andcentres should be samdharmi. ( they may be in samenavamansha, or same sign.)The occupation can be sujjested for thestrongest planets. It must be in relations to thecapecity of the person.We will solve charts given by Shree Peterji,so more fundamentals will be clear.Can any body try it? I will give my commentson 23rd.krushnaDear Krushnaji, It is so uncanny, I looked at mine, and it completely describes the various work I do ! Thank you very much. I have one question : To ascertain if one is self employed or working for someone else even if the calculations show them to be in ascending order as in 2, 5, 8, 10 houses, how do I go about it ? With respects, Swee Dear Swee,The houses should be for 5th house = D(2),B(5),C(9) and E(10), instead you mentioned 2,5,8,10.If these points are in asending order, person gets success inA house Karkatva. So 5th house matters, Authority, Educations, Studyof occult science, Adhyatmic matters, etc. Person likes to do somesocial work. This should be checked with Moon also, and mean shouldbe taken.For self employed, or higher authority, we must see pointsfor 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th house of the chart, from Lagna and Moon.krushnaRespected Peterji,I have also searched my mail, in which I told about total ofthe points, But not found. In Feb end and complete march, My maximummails delayed and might have lost. So I have changed my address. NowMy mails are reaching with a click of button.For your reference I am puting it again here.The strength of the planet:The total of all points got by a planet for all the 12 houseis considered as a overall strength of the planet. fOR A PLANETHAVING GOOD STRENGTH,It should not be less then 144. More over itshould not get less then 12 points for any house.The planet which gets minimum 12 points for all the houses,and total is min 144 for all the houses is said to be beneficplanet. Both the conditions should be fulfilled. Such planet willgive benefic result. If such planet is 12th lord from house B, itsresult will be moderated for house B. (This phenomenon is used forVastu shastra with Astakvarg base.)Strength of the house:The strength of the house is the total of all the planetsfor that house. ( Total of Row 17 ) This total should be Minimum 84and points due to each planets should not be less then 12. Such houseshould be consdidered as strong. All the results indicated by thathouse can be experenced as benefic. (This is also used for fixingbenefic direction of home in Vastu shashtra.)krushna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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