Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Dear Group, We were recently discussing the delay of Guru. Here, with the data given (right or wrong I haven’t checked), but it seems this chart came as a good example to check. The data I have used is 4th Oct 1964 20:14 Gorakhpur 26N45 83E22 The problem here is that I don’t know which Gorakhpur the native has mentioned. Nor the proper co-ordinates are given nor the proper procedure to submit the chart to this list is followed i.e. providing many events. Here the Marriage date is given which is 14th Dec 1996. Planet Degrees As 8 Ta 6 Su 18 Vi 56 Mo 5 Vi 52 Ma 19 Cn 16 Me 10 Vi 24 JuR 3 Ta 1 Ve 6 Le 14 SaR 6 Aq 32 Ra 4 Ge 11 Ke 4 Sg 11 With this data, the calculation is as follows. There is no delay due to Shani because Saturn aspects 7th house,  Sa aspects Ju in navamsa which is 11th lord but it is not aspecting 2nd house or its lord Me. Therefore there is no delay caused by Saturn. Here Guru is in lagna with 7 bindus, so it is Aspecting 7th house and with its 5th sight it is aspecting Me who is 2nd lord with malefic dristi, so it will cause delay. In such charts, there is also more chances of separation. http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson12.pdf 1 : Lagna and 7th lords are in 2:12, which is applicable in this case. 2 : Sun to Venus is more than 43 deg and Ve is aspected by Sa by 7th sight. Here Sa is not aspecting any luminary. 3: Ju is in lagna with more points i.e more than 4 which is applicable in this case. 4: Sight of Ju on 7th house and 2nd lord is applicable and here Ju is with more bindus. 5: 6th lord is in 4th house. The marriage of this native took place in Ve antra which is 6th lord. So there are many laws matching. Next is calculation for delay. Here there is no delay due to Sa and there is delay due to Ju. Ju is very powerful with 7 bindus and its sight will be equally malefic. So this Guru will cause delay. 6th lord is in 4th house and Ve is spoilt. So delay of Guru is more. So basic delay of Guru is about 24 years and then there after its enhanced as it has to rectify problems like 6th lord in 4th house and Ve to Sun distance is more so it might cause more delay. So, after 24 years, Guru would be in lagna and 7th lord is in 3rd house. So Guru has to finish its transit in 1st house, and 2nd house and come to 3rd house to aspect 7th house and then second hit is also there as Ma the 7th lord is in 3rd house. So these would make 2 hits. So by this time 2nd sector of Shani will pass, and therefore Sa can’t then give delay. If Ju has to rectify more delay then it will have to then come from 3rd house to 7th house so about 3-4 years more delay as it will come into 7th house so 1 more hit and then from there it will aspect Ma in 3rd house. However, here after Saturn, comes the antra of Me who is weak and then Ketu who is SD to Guru who is again weak for 7th house. So here the antra’s are weak or alternatively if you consider that there are more problems then say 1 more hit is required then that would cause delay of about 3-4 more years, so these won’t give marriage. Then comes antra of Ve, which is 6th lord and with high power.  So here, Ve will give marriage. So here, Ve gave marriage and the native was 32 year of age. I hope this example gives some idea on delay caused by Guru. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Sukruti Saxena Tuesday February 3, 2009 4:42 AM To: Cc: aarceemastro2002 Re: Re: Pls under go the following details Place of Birth Gorakhpur time of birth 20:14 hours DOB oct 4 ,1964 This freind of mine is seperated(not divorced yet) She is staying with her parents She has 4yearold daughter staying with her She is running a preprimary school with the financial help of her father School is in Gandhinagar Gujarat Kindly tell when her school will give name & fame --- On Mon, 2/2/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 Re: will my marriage go for divorce , Monday, 2 February, 2009, 6:15 PM Hello Amu, Can you give the birth details of your husband? Ramesh Mishra Amutha Periasamy <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote: Hi ramesh thanks for the reply. i got maried on september 4th 2008 . i dont have father and mother. He expired on 2002. i dont have anything else. Will i remarry and go for new relation. when will i get divorce. Will i go abroad ? please help me . Thanks amu --- On Sun, 2/1/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co.. in> wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> Re: will my marriage go for divorce @ . com, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com Sunday, February 1, 2009, 1:59 PM Hello Amutha Ji, You have not given any past events to validitate the birth time.However assuming it correct I may say that you seem to be stubborn and this quality may not match with your in-laws.However your husband might co-operate you but you should keep controlling your behaviour. Your behaviour may lead to the divorce after a year or two. You did not give your date of marriage also.Kindly confirm whether you married in Jan 2008. If not then what is the date of marriage ? Thanks Ramesh Mishra " amutha.periasamy " <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote: Hello Gurujis i am married and i created lot of troubles to my inlaws house. Is there a chance that i will live with my husband in the future. or it will go for divorce or do i face some court cases. please suggest. date of birth: 6 - 12 - 1983 time of birth: 19:30 P.M Place of birth: kumbakonam, TamilNadu, India. Thanks amutha rcmastro ------------ --------- --------- --- Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Dear Group, For further self study, you can closely study the antra’s after marriage till today w.r.t the power in the marriage related house and see how life has unfolded for the native. I think, those who will study it, with a lot of scrutiny will learn a lot. In any case, good luck for your study. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ash's Corner Tuesday February 3, 2009 3:53 PM To: RE: Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Group, We were recently discussing the delay of Guru. Here, with the data given (right or wrong I haven’t checked), but it seems this chart came as a good example to check. The data I have used is 4th Oct 1964 20:14 Gorakhpur 26N45 83E22 The problem here is that I don’t know which Gorakhpur the native has mentioned. Nor the proper co-ordinates are given nor the proper procedure to submit the chart to this list is followed i.e. providing many events. Here the Marriage date is given which is 14th Dec 1996. Planet Degrees As 8 Ta 6 Su 18 Vi 56 Mo 5 Vi 52 Ma 19 Cn 16 Me 10 Vi 24 JuR 3 Ta 1 Ve 6 Le 14 SaR 6 Aq 32 Ra 4 Ge 11 Ke 4 Sg 11 With this data, the calculation is as follows. There is no delay due to Shani because Saturn aspects 7th house, Sa aspects Ju in navamsa which is 11th lord but it is not aspecting 2nd house or its lord Me. Therefore there is no delay caused by Saturn. Here Guru is in lagna with 7 bindus, so it is Aspecting 7th house and with its 5th sight it is aspecting Me who is 2nd lord with malefic dristi, so it will cause delay. In such charts, there is also more chances of separation. http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson12.pdf 1 : Lagna and 7th lords are in 2:12, which is applicable in this case. 2 : Sun to Venus is more than 43 deg and Ve is aspected by Sa by 7th sight. Here Sa is not aspecting any luminary. 3: Ju is in lagna with more points i.e more than 4 which is applicable in this case. 4: Sight of Ju on 7th house and 2nd lord is applicable and here Ju is with more bindus. 5: 6th lord is in 4th house. The marriage of this native took place in Ve antra which is 6th lord. So there are many laws matching. Next is calculation for delay. Here there is no delay due to Sa and there is delay due to Ju. Ju is very powerful with 7 bindus and its sight will be equally malefic. So this Guru will cause delay. 6th lord is in 4th house and Ve is spoilt. So delay of Guru is more. So basic delay of Guru is about 24 years and then there after its enhanced as it has to rectify problems like 6th lord in 4th house and Ve to Sun distance is more so it might cause more delay. So, after 24 years, Guru would be in lagna and 7th lord is in 3rd house. So Guru has to finish its transit in 1st house, and 2nd house and come to 3rd house to aspect 7th house and then second hit is also there as Ma the 7th lord is in 3rd house. So these would make 2 hits. So by this time 2nd sector of Shani will pass, and therefore Sa can’t then give delay. If Ju has to rectify more delay then it will have to then come from 3rd house to 7th house so about 3-4 years more delay as it will come into 7th house so 1 more hit and then from there it will aspect Ma in 3rd house. However, here after Saturn, comes the antra of Me who is weak and then Ketu who is SD to Guru who is again weak for 7th house. So here the antra’s are weak or alternatively if you consider that there are more problems then say 1 more hit is required then that would cause delay of about 3-4 more years, so these won’t give marriage. Then comes antra of Ve, which is 6th lord and with high power. So here, Ve will give marriage. So here, Ve gave marriage and the native was 32 year of age. I hope this example gives some idea on delay caused by Guru. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Sukruti Saxena Tuesday February 3, 2009 4:42 AM Cc: aarceemastro2002 Re: Re: Pls under go the following details Place of Birth Gorakhpur time of birth 20:14 hours DOB oct 4 ,1964 This freind of mine is seperated(not divorced yet) She is staying with her parents She has 4yearold daughter staying with her She is running a preprimary school with the financial help of her father School is in Gandhinagar Gujarat Kindly tell when her school will give name & fame --- On Mon, 2/2/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 Re: will my marriage go for divorce , Monday, 2 February, 2009, 6:15 PM Hello Amu, Can you give the birth details of your husband? Ramesh Mishra Amutha Periasamy <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote: Hi ramesh thanks for the reply. i got maried on september 4th 2008 . i dont have father and mother. He expired on 2002. i dont have anything else. Will i remarry and go for new relation. when will i get divorce. Will i go abroad ? please help me . Thanks amu --- On Sun, 2/1/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co.. in> wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> Re: will my marriage go for divorce @ . com, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com Sunday, February 1, 2009, 1:59 PM Hello Amutha Ji, You have not given any past events to validitate the birth time.However assuming it correct I may say that you seem to be stubborn and this quality may not match with your in-laws.However your husband might co-operate you but you should keep controlling your behaviour. Your behaviour may lead to the divorce after a year or two. You did not give your date of marriage also.Kindly confirm whether you married in Jan 2008. If not then what is the date of marriage ? Thanks Ramesh Mishra " amutha.periasamy " <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote: Hello Gurujis i am married and i created lot of troubles to my inlaws house. Is there a chance that i will live with my husband in the future. or it will go for divorce or do i face some court cases. please suggest. date of birth: 6 - 12 - 1983 time of birth: 19:30 P.M Place of birth: kumbakonam, TamilNadu, India. Thanks amutha rcmastro ------------ --------- --------- --- Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Dear Ash ji, Thanks for this wonderful "lesson" Regards Anup --- On Wed, 4/2/09, Ash's Corner <kas wrote: Ash's Corner <kasRE: Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Date: Wednesday, 4 February, 2009, 2:23 AM Dear Group, We were recently discussing the delay of Guru. Here, with the data given (right or wrong I haven’t checked), but it seems this chart came as a good example to check. The data I have used is 4th Oct 1964 20:14 Gorakhpur 26N45 83E22 The problem here is that I don’t know which Gorakhpur the native has mentioned. Nor the proper co-ordinates are given nor the proper procedure to submit the chart to this list is followed i.e. providing many events. Here the Marriage date is given which is 14th Dec 1996. Planet Degrees As 8 Ta 6 Su 18 Vi 56 Mo 5 Vi 52 Ma 19 Cn 16 Me 10 Vi 24 JuR 3 Ta 1 Ve 6 Le 14 SaR 6 Aq 32 Ra 4 Ge 11 Ke 4 Sg 11 With this data, the calculation is as follows. There is no delay due to Shani because Saturn aspects 7th house, Sa aspects Ju in navamsa which is 11th lord but it is not aspecting 2nd house or its lord Me. Therefore there is no delay caused by Saturn. Here Guru is in lagna with 7 bindus, so it is Aspecting 7th house and with its 5th sight it is aspecting Me who is 2nd lord with malefic dristi, so it will cause delay. In such charts, there is also more chances of separation. http://krushna. sageasita. com/pdf/lesson12 .pdf 1 : Lagna and 7th lords are in 2:12, which is applicable in this case. 2 : Sun to Venus is more than 43 deg and Ve is aspected by Sa by 7th sight. Here Sa is not aspecting any luminary. 3: Ju is in lagna with more points i.e more than 4 which is applicable in this case. 4: Sight of Ju on 7th house and 2nd lord is applicable and here Ju is with more bindus. 5: 6th lord is in 4th house. The marriage of this native took place in Ve antra which is 6th lord. So there are many laws matching. Next is calculation for delay. Here there is no delay due to Sa and there is delay due to Ju. Ju is very powerful with 7 bindus and its sight will be equally malefic. So this Guru will cause delay. 6th lord is in 4th house and Ve is spoilt. So delay of Guru is more. So basic delay of Guru is about 24 years and then there after its enhanced as it has to rectify problems like 6th lord in 4th house and Ve to Sun distance is more so it might cause more delay. So, after 24 years, Guru would be in lagna and 7th lord is in 3rd house. So Guru has to finish its transit in 1st house, and 2nd house and come to 3rd house to aspect 7th house and then second hit is also there as Ma the 7th lord is in 3rd house. So these would make 2 hits. So by this time 2nd sector of Shani will pass, and therefore Sa can’t then give delay. If Ju has to rectify more delay then it will have to then come from 3rd house to 7th house so about 3-4 years more delay as it will come into 7th house so 1 more hit and then from there it will aspect Ma in 3rd house. However, here after Saturn, comes the antra of Me who is weak and then Ketu who is SD to Guru who is again weak for 7th house. So here the antra’s are weak or alternatively if you consider that there are more problems then say 1 more hit is required then that would cause delay of about 3-4 more years, so these won’t give marriage. Then comes antra of Ve, which is 6th lord and with high power. So here, Ve will give marriage. So here, Ve gave marriage and the native was 32 year of age. I hope this example gives some idea on delay caused by Guru. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of Sukruti SaxenaTuesday February 3, 2009 4:42 AMastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comCc: aarceemastro2002@ .co. inRe: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Pls under go the following details Place of Birth Gorakhpur time of birth 20:14 hours DOB oct 4 ,1964 This freind of mine is seperated(not divorced yet) She is staying with her parents She has 4yearold daughter staying with her She is running a preprimary school with the financial help of her father School is in Gandhinagar Gujarat Kindly tell when her school will give name & fame--- On Mon, 2/2/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>[astrologyandtiming events] Re: will my marriage go for divorce, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comMonday, 2 February, 2009, 6:15 PM Hello Amu, Can you give the birth details of your husband? Ramesh MishraAmutha Periasamy <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote: Hi rameshthanks for the reply. i got maried on september 4th 2008 . i dont have father and mother. He expired on 2002.i dont have anything else. Will i remarry and go for new relation. when will i get divorce.Will i go abroad ? please help me . Thanksamu--- On Sun, 2/1/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co.. in> wrote:ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>Re: will my marriage go for divorce, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comSunday, February 1, 2009, 1:59 PMHello Amutha Ji,You have not given any past events to validitate the birth time.However assuming it correct I may say that you seem to be stubborn and this quality may not match with your in-laws.However your husband might co-operate you but you should keep controlling your behaviour.Your behaviour may lead to the divorce after a year or two.You did not give your date of marriage also.Kindly confirm whether you married in Jan 2008. If not then what is the date of marriage ?ThanksRamesh Mishra"amutha.periasamy" <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote:Hello Gurujisi am married and i created lot of troubles to my inlaws house.Is there a chance that i will live with my husband in the future.or it will go for divorce or do i face some court cases.please suggest. date of birth: 6 - 12 - 1983time of birth: 19:30 P.MPlace of birth: kumbakonam, TamilNadu, India.Thanksamutharcmastro------------ --------- --------- ---Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Dear Ash, Thanks for the example. Satish "Ash's Corner" <kas Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:53:08 PMRE: Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Group, We were recently discussing the delay of Guru. Here, with the data given (right or wrong I haven¢t checked), but it seems this chart came as a good example to check. The data I have used is 4th Oct 1964 20:14 Gorakhpur 26N45 83E22 The problem here is that I don¢t know which Gorakhpur the native has mentioned. Nor the proper co-ordinates are given nor the proper procedure to submit the chart to this list is followed i.e. providing many events. Here the Marriage date is given which is 14th Dec 1996. Planet Degrees As 8 Ta 6 Su 18 Vi 56 Mo 5 Vi 52 Ma 19 Cn 16 Me 10 Vi 24 JuR 3 Ta 1 Ve 6 Le 14 SaR 6 Aq 32 Ra 4 Ge 11 Ke 4 Sg 11 With this data, the calculation is as follows. There is no delay due to Shani because Saturn aspects 7th house, Sa aspects Ju in navamsa which is 11th lord but it is not aspecting 2nd house or its lord Me. Therefore there is no delay caused by Saturn. Here Guru is in lagna with 7 bindus, so it is Aspecting 7th house and with its 5th sight it is aspecting Me who is 2nd lord with malefic dristi, so it will cause delay. In such charts, there is also more chances of separation. http://krushna. sageasita. com/pdf/lesson12 .pdf 1 : Lagna and 7th lords are in 2:12, which is applicable in this case. 2 : Sun to Venus is more than 43 deg and Ve is aspected by Sa by 7th sight. Here Sa is not aspecting any luminary. 3: Ju is in lagna with more points i.e more than 4 which is applicable in this case. 4: Sight of Ju on 7th house and 2nd lord is applicable and here Ju is with more bindus. 5: 6th lord is in 4th house. The marriage of this native took place in Ve antra which is 6th lord. So there are many laws matching. Next is calculation for delay. Here there is no delay due to Sa and there is delay due to Ju. Ju is very powerful with 7 bindus and its sight will be equally malefic. So this Guru will cause delay. 6th lord is in 4th house and Ve is spoilt. So delay of Guru is more. So basic delay of Guru is about 24 years and then there after its enhanced as it has to rectify problems like 6th lord in 4th house and Ve to Sun distance is more so it might cause more delay. So, after 24 years, Guru would be in lagna and 7th lord is in 3rd house. So Guru has to finish its transit in 1st house, and 2nd house and come to 3rd house to aspect 7th house and then second hit is also there as Ma the 7th lord is in 3rd house. So these would make 2 hits. So by this time 2nd sector of Shani will pass, and therefore Sa can¢t then give delay. If Ju has to rectify more delay then it will have to then come from 3rd house to 7th house so about 3-4 years more delay as it will come into 7th house so 1 more hit and then from there it will aspect Ma in 3rd house. However, here after Saturn, comes the antra of Me who is weak and then Ketu who is SD to Guru who is again weak for 7th house. So here the antra¢s are weak or alternatively if you consider that there are more problems then say 1 more hit is required then that would cause delay of about 3-4 more years, so these won¢t give marriage. Then comes antra of Ve, which is 6th lord and with high power. So here, Ve will give marriage. So here, Ve gave marriage and the native was 32 year of age. I hope this example gives some idea on delay caused by Guru. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of Sukruti SaxenaTuesday February 3, 2009 4:42 AMastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comCc: aarceemastro2002@ .co. inRe: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Pls under go the following details Place of Birth Gorakhpur time of birth 20:14 hours DOB oct 4 ,1964 This freind of mine is seperated(not divorced yet) She is staying with her parents She has 4yearold daughter staying with her She is running a preprimary school with the financial help of her father School is in Gandhinagar Gujarat Kindly tell when her school will give name & fame--- On Mon, 2/2/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>[astrologyandtiming events] Re: will my marriage go for divorce, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comMonday, 2 February, 2009, 6:15 PM Hello Amu, Can you give the birth details of your husband? Ramesh MishraAmutha Periasamy <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote: Hi rameshthanks for the reply. i got maried on september 4th 2008 . i dont have father and mother. He expired on 2002.i dont have anything else. Will i remarry and go for new relation. when will i get divorce.Will i go abroad ? please help me . Thanksamu--- On Sun, 2/1/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co.. in> wrote:ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>Re: will my marriage go for divorce, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comSunday, February 1, 2009, 1:59 PMHello Amutha Ji,You have not given any past events to validitate the birth time.However assuming it correct I may say that you seem to be stubborn and this quality may not match with your in-laws.However your husband might co-operate you but you should keep controlling your behaviour.Your behaviour may lead to the divorce after a year or two.You did not give your date of marriage also.Kindly confirm whether you married in Jan 2008. If not then what is the date of marriage ?ThanksRamesh Mishra"amutha.periasamy" <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote:Hello Gurujisi am married and i created lot of troubles to my inlaws house.Is there a chance that i will live with my husband in the future.or it will go for divorce or do i face some court cases.please suggest. date of birth: 6 - 12 - 1983time of birth: 19:30 P.MPlace of birth: kumbakonam, TamilNadu, India.Thanksamutharcmastro------------ --------- --------- ---Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Dear Ash, I went through the example and I have one question. You had indicated the following >>> So basic delay of Guru is about 24 years and then there after its enhanced as it has to rectify problems like 6th lord in 4th house and Ve to Sun distance is more so it might cause more delay. >>>> The question I have is what blemishes in the chart can be rectified by Guru when there is Guru delay in the chart? Is venus- Sun distance a blemish that can be rectified by Guru before he gives timing in charts with Guru delay? Is Venus in Krittika, Ardra, Mula a blemish that needs to be rectified? Is Saturn aspect on Venus a Blemish that has to be rectified? Does Saturn aspect on luminaries a blemish that can be rectified? So the basic question is what blemish can be rectified or needs to be rectified by Guru for charts with Guru delay before timing can flow. Thanks for your patience in answering these questions. I think it is a very important point. Satish "Ash's Corner" <kas Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 9:53:25 PMRE: Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Group, For further self study, you can closely study the antra¢s after marriage till today w.r.t the power in the marriage related house and see how life has unfolded for the native. I think, those who will study it, with a lot of scrutiny will learn a lot. In any case, good luck for your study. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) caTuesday February 3, 2009 3:53 PMastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comRE: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Group, We were recently discussing the delay of Guru. Here, with the data given (right or wrong I haven¢t checked), but it seems this chart came as a good example to check. The data I have used is 4th Oct 1964 20:14 Gorakhpur 26N45 83E22 The problem here is that I don¢t know which Gorakhpur the native has mentioned. Nor the proper co-ordinates are given nor the proper procedure to submit the chart to this list is followed i.e. providing many events. Here the Marriage date is given which is 14th Dec 1996. Planet Degrees As 8 Ta 6 Su 18 Vi 56 Mo 5 Vi 52 Ma 19 Cn 16 Me 10 Vi 24 JuR 3 Ta 1 Ve 6 Le 14 SaR 6 Aq 32 Ra 4 Ge 11 Ke 4 Sg 11 With this data, the calculation is as follows. There is no delay due to Shani because Saturn aspects 7th house, Sa aspects Ju in navamsa which is 11th lord but it is not aspecting 2nd house or its lord Me. Therefore there is no delay caused by Saturn. Here Guru is in lagna with 7 bindus, so it is Aspecting 7th house and with its 5th sight it is aspecting Me who is 2nd lord with malefic dristi, so it will cause delay. In such charts, there is also more chances of separation. http://krushna. sageasita. com/pdf/lesson12 .pdf 1 : Lagna and 7th lords are in 2:12, which is applicable in this case. 2 : Sun to Venus is more than 43 deg and Ve is aspected by Sa by 7th sight. Here Sa is not aspecting any luminary. 3: Ju is in lagna with more points i.e more than 4 which is applicable in this case. 4: Sight of Ju on 7th house and 2nd lord is applicable and here Ju is with more bindus. 5: 6th lord is in 4th house. The marriage of this native took place in Ve antra which is 6th lord. So there are many laws matching. Next is calculation for delay. Here there is no delay due to Sa and there is delay due to Ju. Ju is very powerful with 7 bindus and its sight will be equally malefic. So this Guru will cause delay. 6th lord is in 4th house and Ve is spoilt. So delay of Guru is more. So basic delay of Guru is about 24 years and then there after its enhanced as it has to rectify problems like 6th lord in 4th house and Ve to Sun distance is more so it might cause more delay. So, after 24 years, Guru would be in lagna and 7th lord is in 3rd house. So Guru has to finish its transit in 1st house, and 2nd house and come to 3rd house to aspect 7th house and then second hit is also there as Ma the 7th lord is in 3rd house. So these would make 2 hits. So by this time 2nd sector of Shani will pass, and therefore Sa can¢t then give delay. If Ju has to rectify more delay then it will have to then come from 3rd house to 7th house so about 3-4 years more delay as it will come into 7th house so 1 more hit and then from there it will aspect Ma in 3rd house. However, here after Saturn, comes the antra of Me who is weak and then Ketu who is SD to Guru who is again weak for 7th house. So here the antra¢s are weak or alternatively if you consider that there are more problems then say 1 more hit is required then that would cause delay of about 3-4 more years, so these won¢t give marriage. Then comes antra of Ve, which is 6th lord and with high power. So here, Ve will give marriage. So here, Ve gave marriage and the native was 32 year of age. I hope this example gives some idea on delay caused by Guru. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of Sukruti SaxenaTuesday February 3, 2009 4:42 AMastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comCc: aarceemastro2002@ .co. inRe: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Pls under go the following details Place of Birth Gorakhpur time of birth 20:14 hours DOB oct 4 ,1964 This freind of mine is seperated(not divorced yet) She is staying with her parents She has 4yearold daughter staying with her She is running a preprimary school with the financial help of her father School is in Gandhinagar Gujarat Kindly tell when her school will give name & fame--- On Mon, 2/2/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>[astrologyandtiming events] Re: will my marriage go for divorce, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comMonday, 2 February, 2009, 6:15 PM Hello Amu, Can you give the birth details of your husband? Ramesh MishraAmutha Periasamy <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote: Hi rameshthanks for the reply. i got maried on september 4th 2008 . i dont have father and mother. He expired on 2002.i dont have anything else. Will i remarry and go for new relation. when will i get divorce.Will i go abroad ? please help me . Thanksamu--- On Sun, 2/1/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co.. in> wrote:ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>Re: will my marriage go for divorce, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comSunday, February 1, 2009, 1:59 PMHello Amutha Ji,You have not given any past events to validitate the birth time.However assuming it correct I may say that you seem to be stubborn and this quality may not match with your in-laws.However your husband might co-operate you but you should keep controlling your behaviour.Your behaviour may lead to the divorce after a year or two.You did not give your date of marriage also.Kindly confirm whether you married in Jan 2008. If not then what is the date of marriage ?ThanksRamesh Mishra"amutha.periasamy" <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote:Hello Gurujisi am married and i created lot of troubles to my inlaws house.Is there a chance that i will live with my husband in the future.or it will go for divorce or do i face some court cases.please suggest. date of birth: 6 - 12 - 1983time of birth: 19:30 P.MPlace of birth: kumbakonam, TamilNadu, India.Thanksamutharcmastro------------ --------- --------- ---Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Dear Satish ji, In short, more time is required for a person to mature. When Venus to Sun distance is more and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn then it enhanced the qualities of Venus and if at the same time Sa aspects both luminaries then its totally spoilt. Such a person’s qualities of Venus is very enhanced and its out of control of Sun who keeps Venus. Now just imagine the psychology of such a person, if Guru is not checking this Venus. Such a person might require more time to settle down in life. This is the basic idea. So more problems are there, then the measure we are taking is the transit of Ju and its aspect on 7th house or its lord. More the problems, more is the delay. This is also based on psychology and also in some way related to common sense. Now rectified I don’t know if it’s the right word, but by what I mean is that more problems are there, more delay is there. So Venus in Krittika means that that wont change. It is not like Ju if it aspects 7th house and its lord will rectify means remove all qualities of Ve being in krittika. Same way, 6th lord in 4th house means it will spoilt the happiness. 4th house is an important house of sukh. It is Sukh sthan and with 6th lord there and with more points means it will spoil that. There will be problems. Now that is quality. Now Say if Ju is causing delay, so that is Timing of Event. So here, there might be some problem. So, now when timing of event, this might be a factor in causing delay. So we take 1 more hit of Ju to measure that. This is currently my understanding. Therefore more problems are there in the chart then more is the delay. So “rectified” might the word that I used, by which I mean to say, that “ok, we have overcome 1 problem and then onto next problem in the chart” So Ju will then aspect the 7th house or 7th lord so we are counting that and trying to estimate the delay. Even 0’s are causing delay, and 0 is due to a planet having no power in a house. So for that we are judging by %. What it means? It means that in that house, there is a planet that has no say, and that karaktwa is not supporting that house. So we are enhancing the delay. 2 zeroes cause more delay and if there are 3 delays and some other indications are there, then that might delay the marriage very much or deny it. So this is based on power. For Ve being in krittika or 6th lord in 2nd house or things like that, means these things are affecting the quality. For example for timing of marriage, if 7th lord is in 6th house or 6th lord is in 7th house, then we don’t use that and say there will be x amount of delay. Correct? We use that to judge the quality. We say that 7th lord is in 6th house means the karak for 12th house is in a black hole means 7th house quality is affected. When 2nd lord is in 6th house so that means that karak for 7th house is in black hole so again, it means that quality of 7th house i.e. the result is affected and spoilt. So these things are not used for timing of event of marriage. For calculating delay, we are using Saturn as delay causing, Ju as delay causing, 0’s. So one is quality and other is Timing of event. We are separating this. So if the quality of Karak and mook karak are spoilt, then the quality of 7th house is affected. So for Guru’s delay we are estimating how much quality is spoilt and that way we are using that as a barometer to check the delay and that just means trying to judge the psychology of the person. I hope this is clear and to add to this, I will say that, this is my understanding so far. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of SPK Wednesday February 4, 2009 7:42 PM Re: Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Ash, I went through the example and I have one question. You had indicated the following >>> So basic delay of Guru is about 24 years and then there after its enhanced as it has to rectify problems like 6th lord in 4th house and Ve to Sun distance is more so it might cause more delay. >>>> The question I have is what blemishes in the chart can be rectified by Guru when there is Guru delay in the chart? Is venus- Sun distance a blemish that can be rectified by Guru before he gives timing in charts with Guru delay? Is Venus in Krittika, Ardra, Mula a blemish that needs to be rectified? Is Saturn aspect on Venus a Blemish that has to be rectified? Does Saturn aspect on luminaries a blemish that can be rectified? So the basic question is what blemish can be rectified or needs to be rectified by Guru for charts with Guru delay before timing can flow. Thanks for your patience in answering these questions. I think it is a very important point. Satish " Ash's Corner " <kas Tuesday, February 3, 2009 9:53:25 PM RE: Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Group, For further self study, you can closely study the antra¢s after marriage till today w.r.t the power in the marriage related house and see how life has unfolded for the native. I think, those who will study it, with a lot of scrutiny will learn a lot. In any case, good luck for your study. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca Tuesday February 3, 2009 3:53 PM astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com RE: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Group, We were recently discussing the delay of Guru. Here, with the data given (right or wrong I haven¢t checked), but it seems this chart came as a good example to check. The data I have used is 4th Oct 1964 20:14 Gorakhpur 26N45 83E22 The problem here is that I don¢t know which Gorakhpur the native has mentioned. Nor the proper co-ordinates are given nor the proper procedure to submit the chart to this list is followed i.e. providing many events. Here the Marriage date is given which is 14th Dec 1996. Planet Degrees As 8 Ta 6 Su 18 Vi 56 Mo 5 Vi 52 Ma 19 Cn 16 Me 10 Vi 24 JuR 3 Ta 1 Ve 6 Le 14 SaR 6 Aq 32 Ra 4 Ge 11 Ke 4 Sg 11 With this data, the calculation is as follows. There is no delay due to Shani because Saturn aspects 7th house, Sa aspects Ju in navamsa which is 11th lord but it is not aspecting 2nd house or its lord Me. Therefore there is no delay caused by Saturn. Here Guru is in lagna with 7 bindus, so it is Aspecting 7th house and with its 5th sight it is aspecting Me who is 2nd lord with malefic dristi, so it will cause delay. In such charts, there is also more chances of separation. http://krushna. sageasita. com/pdf/lesson12 .pdf 1 : Lagna and 7th lords are in 2:12, which is applicable in this case. 2 : Sun to Venus is more than 43 deg and Ve is aspected by Sa by 7th sight. Here Sa is not aspecting any luminary. 3: Ju is in lagna with more points i.e more than 4 which is applicable in this case. 4: Sight of Ju on 7th house and 2nd lord is applicable and here Ju is with more bindus. 5: 6th lord is in 4th house. The marriage of this native took place in Ve antra which is 6th lord. So there are many laws matching. Next is calculation for delay. Here there is no delay due to Sa and there is delay due to Ju. Ju is very powerful with 7 bindus and its sight will be equally malefic. So this Guru will cause delay. 6th lord is in 4th house and Ve is spoilt. So delay of Guru is more. So basic delay of Guru is about 24 years and then there after its enhanced as it has to rectify problems like 6th lord in 4th house and Ve to Sun distance is more so it might cause more delay. So, after 24 years, Guru would be in lagna and 7th lord is in 3rd house. So Guru has to finish its transit in 1st house, and 2nd house and come to 3rd house to aspect 7th house and then second hit is also there as Ma the 7th lord is in 3rd house. So these would make 2 hits. So by this time 2nd sector of Shani will pass, and therefore Sa can¢t then give delay. If Ju has to rectify more delay then it will have to then come from 3rd house to 7th house so about 3-4 years more delay as it will come into 7th house so 1 more hit and then from there it will aspect Ma in 3rd house. However, here after Saturn, comes the antra of Me who is weak and then Ketu who is SD to Guru who is again weak for 7th house. So here the antra¢s are weak or alternatively if you consider that there are more problems then say 1 more hit is required then that would cause delay of about 3-4 more years, so these won¢t give marriage. Then comes antra of Ve, which is 6th lord and with high power. So here, Ve will give marriage. So here, Ve gave marriage and the native was 32 year of age. I hope this example gives some idea on delay caused by Guru. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of Sukruti Saxena Tuesday February 3, 2009 4:42 AM astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com Cc: aarceemastro2002@ .co. in Re: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Pls under go the following details Place of Birth Gorakhpur time of birth 20:14 hours DOB oct 4 ,1964 This freind of mine is seperated(not divorced yet) She is staying with her parents She has 4yearold daughter staying with her She is running a preprimary school with the financial help of her father School is in Gandhinagar Gujarat Kindly tell when her school will give name & fame --- On Mon, 2/2/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> [astrologyandtiming events] Re: will my marriage go for divorce , astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com Monday, 2 February, 2009, 6:15 PM Hello Amu, Can you give the birth details of your husband? Ramesh Mishra Amutha Periasamy <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote: Hi ramesh thanks for the reply. i got maried on september 4th 2008 . i dont have father and mother. He expired on 2002. i dont have anything else. Will i remarry and go for new relation. when will i get divorce. Will i go abroad ? please help me . Thanks amu --- On Sun, 2/1/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co.. in> wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> Re: will my marriage go for divorce @ . com, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com Sunday, February 1, 2009, 1:59 PM Hello Amutha Ji, You have not given any past events to validitate the birth time.However assuming it correct I may say that you seem to be stubborn and this quality may not match with your in-laws.However your husband might co-operate you but you should keep controlling your behaviour. Your behaviour may lead to the divorce after a year or two. You did not give your date of marriage also.Kindly confirm whether you married in Jan 2008. If not then what is the date of marriage ? Thanks Ramesh Mishra " amutha.periasamy " <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote: Hello Gurujis i am married and i created lot of troubles to my inlaws house. Is there a chance that i will live with my husband in the future. or it will go for divorce or do i face some court cases. please suggest. date of birth: 6 - 12 - 1983 time of birth: 19:30 P.M Place of birth: kumbakonam, TamilNadu, India. Thanks amutha rcmastro ------------ --------- --------- --- Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Dear Satish ji, I thought of another analogy to explain this. Say if Venus to Sun distance is more and its aspected by Sa and Sa aspects luminary and say Guru is not checking this combo and lets say, add to it, Ve is in krittika and its say conjoining Ma so such a person might want to enjoy life and just enjoy wine women and song. Lets even for say Ve is in 12th house J. So everything is enhanced. Now, assume there is Ju’s delay, so in this case, delay will become more, and why you might ask? Here just think of the psychology of the native. Such a person might have the mind set of enjoyment only. He or she might not want a commitment and they might enjoy with the opposite or same sex. If it is same sex person then in a place like India, marriage is not possible or based on particular religion as well. If say such a person is in Toronto, then they might be able to legally marry. (same sex marriage is permitted in Toronto). So here, we have to understand the root cause of the delay and that is based on psychology of the person. That is why in extreme case, I have mentioned and also Guru ji too, that such combinations might deny marriage. So that is in short. These laws given have a lot of depth. I hope this helps. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of SPK Wednesday February 4, 2009 7:42 PM Re: Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Ash, I went through the example and I have one question. You had indicated the following >>> So basic delay of Guru is about 24 years and then there after its enhanced as it has to rectify problems like 6th lord in 4th house and Ve to Sun distance is more so it might cause more delay. >>>> The question I have is what blemishes in the chart can be rectified by Guru when there is Guru delay in the chart? Is venus- Sun distance a blemish that can be rectified by Guru before he gives timing in charts with Guru delay? Is Venus in Krittika, Ardra, Mula a blemish that needs to be rectified? Is Saturn aspect on Venus a Blemish that has to be rectified? Does Saturn aspect on luminaries a blemish that can be rectified? So the basic question is what blemish can be rectified or needs to be rectified by Guru for charts with Guru delay before timing can flow. Thanks for your patience in answering these questions. I think it is a very important point. Satish " Ash's Corner " <kas Tuesday, February 3, 2009 9:53:25 PM RE: Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Group, For further self study, you can closely study the antra¢s after marriage till today w.r.t the power in the marriage related house and see how life has unfolded for the native. I think, those who will study it, with a lot of scrutiny will learn a lot. In any case, good luck for your study. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca Tuesday February 3, 2009 3:53 PM astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com RE: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Group, We were recently discussing the delay of Guru. Here, with the data given (right or wrong I haven¢t checked), but it seems this chart came as a good example to check. The data I have used is 4th Oct 1964 20:14 Gorakhpur 26N45 83E22 The problem here is that I don¢t know which Gorakhpur the native has mentioned. Nor the proper co-ordinates are given nor the proper procedure to submit the chart to this list is followed i.e. providing many events. Here the Marriage date is given which is 14th Dec 1996. Planet Degrees As 8 Ta 6 Su 18 Vi 56 Mo 5 Vi 52 Ma 19 Cn 16 Me 10 Vi 24 JuR 3 Ta 1 Ve 6 Le 14 SaR 6 Aq 32 Ra 4 Ge 11 Ke 4 Sg 11 With this data, the calculation is as follows. There is no delay due to Shani because Saturn aspects 7th house, Sa aspects Ju in navamsa which is 11th lord but it is not aspecting 2nd house or its lord Me. Therefore there is no delay caused by Saturn. Here Guru is in lagna with 7 bindus, so it is Aspecting 7th house and with its 5th sight it is aspecting Me who is 2nd lord with malefic dristi, so it will cause delay. In such charts, there is also more chances of separation. http://krushna. sageasita. com/pdf/lesson12 .pdf 1 : Lagna and 7th lords are in 2:12, which is applicable in this case. 2 : Sun to Venus is more than 43 deg and Ve is aspected by Sa by 7th sight. Here Sa is not aspecting any luminary. 3: Ju is in lagna with more points i.e more than 4 which is applicable in this case. 4: Sight of Ju on 7th house and 2nd lord is applicable and here Ju is with more bindus. 5: 6th lord is in 4th house. The marriage of this native took place in Ve antra which is 6th lord. So there are many laws matching. Next is calculation for delay. Here there is no delay due to Sa and there is delay due to Ju. Ju is very powerful with 7 bindus and its sight will be equally malefic. So this Guru will cause delay. 6th lord is in 4th house and Ve is spoilt. So delay of Guru is more. So basic delay of Guru is about 24 years and then there after its enhanced as it has to rectify problems like 6th lord in 4th house and Ve to Sun distance is more so it might cause more delay. So, after 24 years, Guru would be in lagna and 7th lord is in 3rd house. So Guru has to finish its transit in 1st house, and 2nd house and come to 3rd house to aspect 7th house and then second hit is also there as Ma the 7th lord is in 3rd house. So these would make 2 hits. So by this time 2nd sector of Shani will pass, and therefore Sa can¢t then give delay. If Ju has to rectify more delay then it will have to then come from 3rd house to 7th house so about 3-4 years more delay as it will come into 7th house so 1 more hit and then from there it will aspect Ma in 3rd house. However, here after Saturn, comes the antra of Me who is weak and then Ketu who is SD to Guru who is again weak for 7th house. So here the antra¢s are weak or alternatively if you consider that there are more problems then say 1 more hit is required then that would cause delay of about 3-4 more years, so these won¢t give marriage. Then comes antra of Ve, which is 6th lord and with high power. So here, Ve will give marriage. So here, Ve gave marriage and the native was 32 year of age. I hope this example gives some idea on delay caused by Guru. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of Sukruti Saxena Tuesday February 3, 2009 4:42 AM astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com Cc: aarceemastro2002@ .co. in Re: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Pls under go the following details Place of Birth Gorakhpur time of birth 20:14 hours DOB oct 4 ,1964 This freind of mine is seperated(not divorced yet) She is staying with her parents She has 4yearold daughter staying with her She is running a preprimary school with the financial help of her father School is in Gandhinagar Gujarat Kindly tell when her school will give name & fame --- On Mon, 2/2/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> [astrologyandtiming events] Re: will my marriage go for divorce , astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com Monday, 2 February, 2009, 6:15 PM Hello Amu, Can you give the birth details of your husband? Ramesh Mishra Amutha Periasamy <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote: Hi ramesh thanks for the reply. i got maried on september 4th 2008 . i dont have father and mother. He expired on 2002. i dont have anything else. Will i remarry and go for new relation. when will i get divorce. Will i go abroad ? please help me . Thanks amu --- On Sun, 2/1/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co.. in> wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> Re: will my marriage go for divorce @ . com, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com Sunday, February 1, 2009, 1:59 PM Hello Amutha Ji, You have not given any past events to validitate the birth time.However assuming it correct I may say that you seem to be stubborn and this quality may not match with your in-laws.However your husband might co-operate you but you should keep controlling your behaviour. Your behaviour may lead to the divorce after a year or two. You did not give your date of marriage also.Kindly confirm whether you married in Jan 2008. If not then what is the date of marriage ? Thanks Ramesh Mishra " amutha.periasamy " <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote: Hello Gurujis i am married and i created lot of troubles to my inlaws house. Is there a chance that i will live with my husband in the future. or it will go for divorce or do i face some court cases. please suggest. date of birth: 6 - 12 - 1983 time of birth: 19:30 P.M Place of birth: kumbakonam, TamilNadu, India. Thanks amutha rcmastro ------------ --------- --------- --- Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Dear Ash, Thanks a lot for your answers as well as your patience in answering questions. May be Guruji can give a lesson on quantification of delay to formalize many things that are already scattered in the archives. Questions to be addressed for timing could be for charts with 1. Saturn delay and Jupiter delay 2. Saturn delay only and many blemishes in a chart 3. Guru delay only and blemishes to be rectified by gurus transit 4. No delays in a chart but many blemishes I will dig up a few archives that prabhaji had sent recently. Again thanks for your help. Satish "Ash's Corner" <kas Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 8:10:40 PMRE: Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Satish ji, In short, more time is required for a person to mature. When Venus to Sun distance is more and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn then it enhanced the qualities of Venus and if at the same time Sa aspects both luminaries then its totally spoilt. Such a person’s qualities of Venus is very enhanced and its out of control of Sun who keeps Venus. Now just imagine the psychology of such a person, if Guru is not checking this Venus. Such a person might require more time to settle down in life. This is the basic idea. So more problems are there, then the measure we are taking is the transit of Ju and its aspect on 7th house or its lord. More the problems, more is the delay. This is also based on psychology and also in some way related to common sense. Now rectified I don’t know if it’s the right word, but by what I mean is that more problems are there, more delay is there. So Venus in Krittika means that that wont change. It is not like Ju if it aspects 7th house and its lord will rectify means remove all qualities of Ve being in krittika. Same way, 6th lord in 4th house means it will spoilt the happiness. 4th house is an important house of sukh. It is Sukh sthan and with 6th lord there and with more points means it will spoil that. There will be problems. Now that is quality. Now Say if Ju is causing delay, so that is Timing of Event. So here, there might be some problem. So, now when timing of event, this might be a factor in causing delay. So we take 1 more hit of Ju to measure that. This is currently my understanding. Therefore more problems are there in the chart then more is the delay. So “rectified” might the word that I used, by which I mean to say, that “ok, we have overcome 1 problem and then onto next problem in the chart” So Ju will then aspect the 7th house or 7th lord so we are counting that and trying to estimate the delay. Even 0’s are causing delay, and 0 is due to a planet having no power in a house. So for that we are judging by %. What it means? It means that in that house, there is a planet that has no say, and that karaktwa is not supporting that house. So we are enhancing the delay. 2 zeroes cause more delay and if there are 3 delays and some other indications are there, then that might delay the marriage very much or deny it. So this is based on power. For Ve being in krittika or 6th lord in 2nd house or things like that, means these things are affecting the quality. For example for timing of marriage, if 7th lord is in 6th house or 6th lord is in 7th house, then we don’t use that and say there will be x amount of delay. Correct? We use that to judge the quality. We say that 7th lord is in 6th house means the karak for 12th house is in a black hole means 7th house quality is affected. When 2nd lord is in 6th house so that means that karak for 7th house is in black hole so again, it means that quality of 7th house i.e. the result is affected and spoilt. So these things are not used for timing of event of marriage. For calculating delay, we are using Saturn as delay causing, Ju as delay causing, 0’s. So one is quality and other is Timing of event. We are separating this. So if the quality of Karak and mook karak are spoilt, then the quality of 7th house is affected. So for Guru’s delay we are estimating how much quality is spoilt and that way we are using that as a barometer to check the delay and that just means trying to judge the psychology of the person. I hope this is clear and to add to this, I will say that, this is my understanding so far. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of SPKWednesday February 4, 2009 7:42 PMastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comRe: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Ash, I went through the example and I have one question. You had indicated the following >>> So basic delay of Guru is about 24 years and then there after its enhanced as it has to rectify problems like 6th lord in 4th house and Ve to Sun distance is more so it might cause more delay. >>>> The question I have is what blemishes in the chart can be rectified by Guru when there is Guru delay in the chart? Is venus- Sun distance a blemish that can be rectified by Guru before he gives timing in charts with Guru delay? Is Venus in Krittika, Ardra, Mula a blemish that needs to be rectified? Is Saturn aspect on Venus a Blemish that has to be rectified? Does Saturn aspect on luminaries a blemish that can be rectified? So the basic question is what blemish can be rectified or needs to be rectified by Guru for charts with Guru delay before timing can flow. Thanks for your patience in answering these questions. I think it is a very important point. Satish "Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca" <kasastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comTuesday, February 3, 2009 9:53:25 PMRE: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Group, For further self study, you can closely study the antra’s after marriage till today w.r.t the power in the marriage related house and see how life has unfolded for the native. I think, those who will study it, with a lot of scrutiny will learn a lot. In any case, good luck for your study. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) caTuesday February 3, 2009 3:53 PMastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comRE: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Gurus Delay - Case Solved. Dear Group, We were recently discussing the delay of Guru. Here, with the data given (right or wrong I haven’t checked), but it seems this chart came as a good example to check. The data I have used is 4th Oct 1964 20:14 Gorakhpur 26N45 83E22 The problem here is that I don’t know which Gorakhpur the native has mentioned. Nor the proper co-ordinates are given nor the proper procedure to submit the chart to this list is followed i.e. providing many events. Here the Marriage date is given which is 14th Dec 1996. Planet Degrees As 8 Ta 6 Su 18 Vi 56 Mo 5 Vi 52 Ma 19 Cn 16 Me 10 Vi 24 JuR 3 Ta 1 Ve 6 Le 14 SaR 6 Aq 32 Ra 4 Ge 11 Ke 4 Sg 11 With this data, the calculation is as follows. There is no delay due to Shani because Saturn aspects 7th house, Sa aspects Ju in navamsa which is 11th lord but it is not aspecting 2nd house or its lord Me. Therefore there is no delay caused by Saturn. Here Guru is in lagna with 7 bindus, so it is Aspecting 7th house and with its 5th sight it is aspecting Me who is 2nd lord with malefic dristi, so it will cause delay. In such charts, there is also more chances of separation. http://krushna. sageasita. com/pdf/lesson12 .pdf 1 : Lagna and 7th lords are in 2:12, which is applicable in this case. 2 : Sun to Venus is more than 43 deg and Ve is aspected by Sa by 7th sight. Here Sa is not aspecting any luminary. 3: Ju is in lagna with more points i.e more than 4 which is applicable in this case. 4: Sight of Ju on 7th house and 2nd lord is applicable and here Ju is with more bindus. 5: 6th lord is in 4th house. The marriage of this native took place in Ve antra which is 6th lord. So there are many laws matching. Next is calculation for delay. Here there is no delay due to Sa and there is delay due to Ju. Ju is very powerful with 7 bindus and its sight will be equally malefic. So this Guru will cause delay. 6th lord is in 4th house and Ve is spoilt. So delay of Guru is more. So basic delay of Guru is about 24 years and then there after its enhanced as it has to rectify problems like 6th lord in 4th house and Ve to Sun distance is more so it might cause more delay. So, after 24 years, Guru would be in lagna and 7th lord is in 3rd house. So Guru has to finish its transit in 1st house, and 2nd house and come to 3rd house to aspect 7th house and then second hit is also there as Ma the 7th lord is in 3rd house. So these would make 2 hits. So by this time 2nd sector of Shani will pass, and therefore Sa can’t then give delay. If Ju has to rectify more delay then it will have to then come from 3rd house to 7th house so about 3-4 years more delay as it will come into 7th house so 1 more hit and then from there it will aspect Ma in 3rd house. However, here after Saturn, comes the antra of Me who is weak and then Ketu who is SD to Guru who is again weak for 7th house. So here the antra’s are weak or alternatively if you consider that there are more problems then say 1 more hit is required then that would cause delay of about 3-4 more years, so these won’t give marriage. Then comes antra of Ve, which is 6th lord and with high power. So here, Ve will give marriage. So here, Ve gave marriage and the native was 32 year of age. I hope this example gives some idea on delay caused by Guru. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of Sukruti SaxenaTuesday February 3, 2009 4:42 AMastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comCc: aarceemastro2002@ .co. inRe: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Pls under go the following details Place of Birth Gorakhpur time of birth 20:14 hours DOB oct 4 ,1964 This freind of mine is seperated(not divorced yet) She is staying with her parents She has 4yearold daughter staying with her She is running a preprimary school with the financial help of her father School is in Gandhinagar Gujarat Kindly tell when her school will give name & fame--- On Mon, 2/2/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>[astrologyandtiming events] Re: will my marriage go for divorce, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comMonday, 2 February, 2009, 6:15 PM Hello Amu, Can you give the birth details of your husband? Ramesh MishraAmutha Periasamy <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote: Hi rameshthanks for the reply. i got maried on september 4th 2008 . i dont have father and mother. He expired on 2002.i dont have anything else. Will i remarry and go for new relation. when will i get divorce.Will i go abroad ? please help me . Thanksamu--- On Sun, 2/1/09, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co.. in> wrote:ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>Re: will my marriage go for divorce, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comSunday, February 1, 2009, 1:59 PMHello Amutha Ji,You have not given any past events to validitate the birth time.However assuming it correct I may say that you seem to be stubborn and this quality may not match with your in-laws.However your husband might co-operate you but you should keep controlling your behaviour.Your behaviour may lead to the divorce after a year or two.You did not give your date of marriage also.Kindly confirm whether you married in Jan 2008. If not then what is the date of marriage ?ThanksRamesh Mishra"amutha.periasamy" <amutha.periasamy@ > wrote:Hello Gurujisi am married and i created lot of troubles to my inlaws house.Is there a chance that i will live with my husband in the future.or it will go for divorce or do i face some court cases.please suggest. date of birth: 6 - 12 - 1983time of birth: 19:30 P.MPlace of birth: kumbakonam, TamilNadu, India.Thanksamutharcmastro------------ --------- --------- ---Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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