Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Dear Group, I came across a chart in another group, which is a good chart to explain the recent discussion regarding the difference between Timing of Event and Quality of an Event. The information that was given is as follows. 1) 5th May 1971, 18:27, Mangalore, 12N52, 74E53, TZ -5:30 IST. 2) Has a daughter of 8 years 3) Lost her husband 6 years back. 4) Is in deep debt 5) Here concern is that when will this native get out of debt and when she will get married. With this data I get the following chart. Planet Degrees As 18 Li 13 Su 21 Ar 49 Mo 27 Le 5 Ma 8 Cp 18 Me 0 Ar 46 JuR 11 Sc 13 Ve 21 Pi 45 Sa 1 Ta 50 Ra 26 Cp 48 Ke 26 Cn 48 In this chart, Venus, Mars and Sun are in their unccha sthan or sign of exaltation. Saturn is in the sign of a good friend. So overall the status of this chart REDUCES. Out of Ve, Ma and Su, VE and Ma have 6 and 5 bindus each. There is a lot of 4:10 action going, Sa is in 10th from Mo and Sa = 3 bindus and Mo = 4 bindus. So this is good 4:10 as there is power transfer. Ma and Sun are also in 4:10 but here Ma = 5 and Su = 3 so this is not good as there is opposition to Ma from Sun. So reverse effect of a good 4 :10. Mercury too is in 4th place from Ma and Me = 4 bindus and Ma = 5 so again, here Boss is more noble than subordinate, but since Me is 4 bindus it can go ether way. But this point is to be kept in mind. Guru is also in libra in this chart. As per Guru’s teachings, when more planets are in unccha sthan or MT or own sign, then in such charts, a person might get things, but it will be at a very high cost or at a very dear cost. Now coming to the event of Marriage. We can see that Natural Karak Venus is in 6th house. Functional Karak Mars is in navamsa of 6th lord which is also the 6th sign in Rasi. Mars is also karak for 12th house. Guru is in libra (natural mool karak). 6th lord is in 2nd house (karak sthan for marriage) Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 6 5 6 19 23 7 28 7th house points are as above. As you can see, that only Me, Ju and Sa are strong. Out of which Guru is in libra and it’s the 6th lord. So now considering all these thing and the study of karak and mool karak and phal sthan i.e. 7th lord, 2nd lord and Guru and Venus, all these lords or house are affected by 6th lord. Even LoC, Sun is SD to Guru. Guru is 6th lord with more bindus i.e. 5 bindus and its become even more malefic by being in Libra. So the quality of House B i.e. phal sthan when karak and RK are spoilt becomes spoilt. This is different from Timing of Event. Now for Timing of Event we will use our laws, which will help us select the proper significator from the WS. So, here we know that the result of 7th house will suffer, so now we will use of technique for timing of event. The marriage date is not given in this case. Here, Saturn is aspecting 2nd house in Rasi, and its aspecting Mars who is LoB and Sun who is LoC in navamsa. So there is delay in this chart due to Shani. Guru does not aspect Mars so there is no delay due to Guru. There are no zeroes either. So main delay causing planet is Shani. Now here, since this is the chart of a lady, then as per her community if she is from orthodox family then we have to consider that and the place where she lives as per that what is considered early, moderate and delayed marriage. So if we got by direct calculation then we can say that delay would be about 27 / 27.5 years if we go by the calculation. So at that time Guru antra is running. Guru is very powerful and it is the 6th lord so it will be eager to give marriage. Now this lady has lost her husband 6 years back so about 2002/2003 time frame as exact date is not given. During that time the antra of end of Saturn or Mercury was running. Saturn has highest power for 2nd house so that has potential to give break in marriage or Mercury has high power in 2nd house as well and is placed in 7th house which is House E for 2nd and its with 4 bindus so like I said earlier, it can go either way. Next antra that came after that is Ketu. Ketu is more like Mo so the power is less in the WS, and then that is followed by Venus, Su, Mo and Ma and all these planets are continuously weak in the 7th house as you can see above. So this will give less happiness regarding 7th house matters. Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 8 4 11 9 12 22 24 9 5 5 20 23 -1 25 Regarding financial debt problems, I am just focusing on 11th vs 12th points for explanation purpose, however also keenly check 6th, 10th and other house as well to get deeper understanding of whats going on in her life. I will restrict to 11th vs 12th. Only 2 planets are strong Ve and Sa. 11th house is also for conception, so Sa antra might give conception and its given that child is 8 years old so that is in the ball park. 11th house is also for conception. For finances and debt, Su, Mo, Me, Ju and Sa all have more power in 12th compared to 11th. Su, Mo and Ma come one after the other in Vim dasha scheme in most of the MD’s except in Mo or Ma MD. In this case, she is running Ra MD currently so MD will change to Guru in 2012 Feb so again Guru too has more power for 12th as compared to 11th and after that will come Saturn and that too has more power in 12th as compared to 11th after that will come Me and Ke and those too are showing the same thing. So you can see clearly that there is some problem or you can say that things will be tight from the first glance at the power. So I hope that the Quality and Timing difference is clear. Cheers !!! 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Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Dear Group, I just got the exact dates. I had requested the person to give it to me. Marriage of the native : 10th Feb 2000 Death of Husband: 16th Jan 2003 Daughter born: 11 Jan 2001 So here, delay calculation that I did I selected Guru antra due to problems. However, after delay period was over Guru’s last sector and last portion was running. 27.5 years got over on 3rd Nov 1998. Jupiter 1996-Nov-06 1999-Apr-01 SECTORS 1996-Nov-06 1999-Apr-01 Sector 1 1996-Nov-06 1997-Aug-25 Sector 2 1997-Aug-25 1998-Jun-13 Sector 3 1998-Jun-13 1999-Apr-01 So here, the last period Skipped and marriage happened in 1st sector of Sa. Sa is highest power planet. Again, our law is that if Delay Causing Planet is LoD or LoE then even will be there in the 1st sector. So that has happened. Here. Saturn 1999-Apr-01 2002-Feb-05 SECTORS 1999-Apr-01 2002-Feb-05 Sector 1 1999-Apr-01 2000-Mar-13 Sector 2 2000-Mar-13 2001-Feb-23 Sector 3 2001-Feb-23 2002-Feb-05 PDF (Sa is highest and Ra is in house D) Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar So this event is matching, it was error on my part, where in I took Ju antra, despite I saw it was the end of last sector, so instead of skipping it and going to Sa, I considered that. KAS system is showing perfectly. Birth of Child i.e Conception in April 1999, so that is in Sa antra, Sa is highest for 11th. So in line. Death of husband is on 16th Jan 2000, antra of Me and pdf of Sa-Su. Sa is highest for 2nd house and Sun is LoD. Note: Saturn is very powerful for this native, and that I had explained below (4:10). If you will notice, all these major events, Saturn is playing a role in antra and pdf. When sun transits powerful planets i.e. based on points in WS, then events trigger. This is the basic of selection of probable dates. So, here most events are happening in Sa sign or nak. This is a point to note. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ash's Corner Thursday February 5, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: KAS - Example Chart Solved Dear Group, I came across a chart in another group, which is a good chart to explain the recent discussion regarding the difference between Timing of Event and Quality of an Event. The information that was given is as follows. 1) 5th May 1971, 18:27, Mangalore, 12N52, 74E53, TZ -5:30 IST. 2) Has a daughter of 8 years 3) Lost her husband 6 years back. 4) Is in deep debt 5) Here concern is that when will this native get out of debt and when she will get married. With this data I get the following chart. Planet Degrees As 18 Li 13 Su 21 Ar 49 Mo 27 Le 5 Ma 8 Cp 18 Me 0 Ar 46 JuR 11 Sc 13 Ve 21 Pi 45 Sa 1 Ta 50 Ra 26 Cp 48 Ke 26 Cn 48 In this chart, Venus, Mars and Sun are in their unccha sthan or sign of exaltation. Saturn is in the sign of a good friend. So overall the status of this chart REDUCES. Out of Ve, Ma and Su, VE and Ma have 6 and 5 bindus each. There is a lot of 4:10 action going, Sa is in 10th from Mo and Sa = 3 bindus and Mo = 4 bindus. So this is good 4:10 as there is power transfer. Ma and Sun are also in 4:10 but here Ma = 5 and Su = 3 so this is not good as there is opposition to Ma from Sun. So reverse effect of a good 4 :10. Mercury too is in 4th place from Ma and Me = 4 bindus and Ma = 5 so again, here Boss is more noble than subordinate, but since Me is 4 bindus it can go ether way. But this point is to be kept in mind. Guru is also in libra in this chart. As per Guru’s teachings, when more planets are in unccha sthan or MT or own sign, then in such charts, a person might get things, but it will be at a very high cost or at a very dear cost. Now coming to the event of Marriage. We can see that Natural Karak Venus is in 6th house. Functional Karak Mars is in navamsa of 6th lord which is also the 6th sign in Rasi. Mars is also karak for 12th house. Guru is in libra (natural mool karak). 6th lord is in 2nd house (karak sthan for marriage) Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 6 5 6 19 23 7 28 7th house points are as above. As you can see, that only Me, Ju and Sa are strong. Out of which Guru is in libra and it’s the 6th lord. So now considering all these thing and the study of karak and mool karak and phal sthan i.e. 7th lord, 2nd lord and Guru and Venus, all these lords or house are affected by 6th lord. Even LoC, Sun is SD to Guru. Guru is 6th lord with more bindus i.e. 5 bindus and its become even more malefic by being in Libra. So the quality of House B i.e. phal sthan when karak and RK are spoilt becomes spoilt. This is different from Timing of Event. Now for Timing of Event we will use our laws, which will help us select the proper significator from the WS. So, here we know that the result of 7th house will suffer, so now we will use of technique for timing of event. The marriage date is not given in this case. Here, Saturn is aspecting 2nd house in Rasi, and its aspecting Mars who is LoB and Sun who is LoC in navamsa. So there is delay in this chart due to Shani. Guru does not aspect Mars so there is no delay due to Guru. There are no zeroes either. So main delay causing planet is Shani. Now here, since this is the chart of a lady, then as per her community if she is from orthodox family then we have to consider that and the place where she lives as per that what is considered early, moderate and delayed marriage. So if we got by direct calculation then we can say that delay would be about 27 / 27.5 years if we go by the calculation. So at that time Guru antra is running. Guru is very powerful and it is the 6th lord so it will be eager to give marriage. Now this lady has lost her husband 6 years back so about 2002/2003 time frame as exact date is not given. During that time the antra of end of Saturn or Mercury was running. Saturn has highest power for 2nd house so that has potential to give break in marriage or Mercury has high power in 2nd house as well and is placed in 7th house which is House E for 2nd and its with 4 bindus so like I said earlier, it can go either way. Next antra that came after that is Ketu. Ketu is more like Mo so the power is less in the WS, and then that is followed by Venus, Su, Mo and Ma and all these planets are continuously weak in the 7th house as you can see above. So this will give less happiness regarding 7th house matters. Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 8 4 11 9 12 22 24 9 5 5 20 23 -1 25 Regarding financial debt problems, I am just focusing on 11th vs 12th points for explanation purpose, however also keenly check 6th, 10th and other house as well to get deeper understanding of whats going on in her life. I will restrict to 11th vs 12th. Only 2 planets are strong Ve and Sa. 11th house is also for conception, so Sa antra might give conception and its given that child is 8 years old so that is in the ball park. 11th house is also for conception. For finances and debt, Su, Mo, Me, Ju and Sa all have more power in 12th compared to 11th. Su, Mo and Ma come one after the other in Vim dasha scheme in most of the MD’s except in Mo or Ma MD. In this case, she is running Ra MD currently so MD will change to Guru in 2012 Feb so again Guru too has more power for 12th as compared to 11th and after that will come Saturn and that too has more power in 12th as compared to 11th after that will come Me and Ke and those too are showing the same thing. So you can see clearly that there is some problem or you can say that things will be tight from the first glance at the power. So I hope that the Quality and Timing difference is clear. Cheers !!! 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