Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji, I want to make clear the laws and apply them here, hopefully I am making some progress. Paul Newman January 26 1925 6:30 am Shaker Heights, OH 41N31, 81W33 I acquired the date and time form Light on Relationships book and location of birth and marriage date years from wikipedia. I cannot validate the authenticity of the birth data, hopefully with more practice. Paul Newman Married twice 1949 1st marriage, 1958 till death was second marriage he died September 2008. First thing I noticed was that Ju, Me, Ve are all in the 6L star venus (7th house focus). Venus and sun are less than 43 degrees apart, but more than three, so this is good. Saturn aspects Venus, Jupiter and Mercury, I think because venus is 6L Saturn's aspect does affect it's quality, is this right? Ju, Me, Ve all three caste malefic aspects to 7H. From Lagna: 1L Ju and 7L Me =1/1 From Moon: 1L Sa and 7L Su=4/10 = 10 From Sun: 1L Sa and 7L Mo= 2/12 = D-9 Ju/Me=2/12 = Sa/Su= 2/12= Sa/Mo = 5/9=30 I am not sure the points that 1/1, 1/7 or 2/12 give (per lesson 10). Saturn is in HA, LoC aspects LoB, therefore should be full delay. For D-9 chart there is a zero in 7H from Saturn. However, I think because Jupiter is present with LoB and LoC this could have moderated the delay (could this be right). His first marriage took place in 1949 at 24 years. In natal chart Saturn is 21.47 Libra and in 1949 the transit of Saturn was at 11.44 Leo. First marriage took place in 1949, which is Jupiter MD and could be venus or sun antara. Points for the seventh house are low only Sun and Jupiter have high points. I just want to make sure if this is right; Jupiter gave marriage in its MD because: Jupiter is LoD is SD to Me, which is LoB and Ve LoC. Jupiter (I do not see at least) does not associate with LoA. Now if we take Venus antara; Ve is LoC, with LoB and LoD, no relation to LoA. Unless we look at the position of Saturn in D-1 and Venus in D-9 both are in Libra. I believe this would make Venus SD to Saturn, Saturn is LoA, would this be right? Venus is also 6L. Now we take Sun antara, Su is posted in HA, SD to Sa LoA. Sun could give marriage. Also, for 7H Jupiter and Sun have the only high points. Ve aspects HB and Su is in HA, therefore in their antaras they should not be able to give results, but their SD can or SD of LoD or LoE. Ve is SD to Ju LoD who has second highest points for the 7H. Su is SD to Sa and Ve, Sa is LoA in HC and Ve as stated above. I believe because Ve is SD to Jupiter who is LoD it could promise results in its anatara. Moreover, Ve is 6L and first marriage did break. I do have a question I am shaky in my understanding of the 4/10 SD. In this chart Mars is with 4 points in Aries and Sun in Capricorn with 3 points, would they act as SD, or does Mars have to be more than 4 points? If not, then Jupiter/sun could give marriage as Jupiter is LoD and Mars is LoE and Jupiter/Sun have the highest points for the seventh house. Since we know that first marriage broke, we can say venus antara gave marriage based on the above assessments? Guru Ji wrote some possibilities for calculating if a chart could have two marriages: (msg.1074) One is if 7L is in a dual rashi with venus 7L =Me and in Sag. With Venus. Sight of Jupiter having more points on 7th house and Seventh Lord. More points of Jupiter more no. of marriages. Jupiter has 5 points. sight on 7H with 7L. More Planets with Venus, or related with Venus, More relation with opposite sex. If Jupiter checks such Venus then the relations are limited up to close Friendship only. And relation with only one wife continues. (I think Jupiter here maybe checked it to two marriages. However, I think 7L with 6L and all three planets in 6L star may have been reason for first break) If Venus and 7th lord in SAM navamansha (2,4,6,8, ....) and aspected by Saturn and Mars, indicates min 2 marriages. 7L=Me and Ve are in Libra navamsa, which is first house not the houses mentioned above in D-9 and 11H in D-1, however Saturn and mars do aspect. To time second marriage do we take 2H as focus house in KAS, I ask because in other systems 2h is seen for second spouse, I believe. I look forward to all your guidance, and thank you in advance for your patience. Shalini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Dear Shalini Ji, I am very happy to see that you are really taking sincere interest in learning this system. And you have shown tremendous improvement in the past 3-4 months. With the given data, assuming it to be correct, here is my analysis: Paul Newman January 26 1925 6:30 am Shaker Heights, OH 41N31, 81W33 Paul Newman Married twice 1949 1st marriage, 1958 till death was second marriage he died September 2008. In this chart there are few points to be noticed: 1. Ve as 6L is a strong SD to Me and Ju with all three being in Ve Nakshatra. 2. Difference of SAV between Lagna and 7H ie 29/18 is more. Not only that 7H is very less. 3. Ve is malefically aspecting 7H. 4. There is a rule which says that: In the place where 7L is situated, if Ve is there and gives more than 5 points, the person has much interest in sexual acts. 5. LL/7L: Ju/Me 1:1 to be considered as 4:10; Mo L/7L: Sa/Su is in 4:10 position; Ve L/7L: Ju/Me 1:1 to be considered as 4:10 ---- Total 30 points. 6. Ju is with Ve and also LL Ju and 9L Su are in 5:9 in D9 - so blessings are there. But this blessings is reduced as Ju is SD to 6L and Su is SD to 6L. 7. All planets are benefic for the houses they reisde but aspect malefically. Except Su. 8. All planets are being afflicted by 6L Ve. LoA: Sa; LoB: Me; LoC: Ve; LoD: Ju; LoE: Ma; RK: Su; 6L: Ve 1. Sa as LoA is spoiled as Ve is aspecting it. 2. RK Su is in HoA which is good but is also in 4th from Sa with 3 points. And therefore oppose Sa. 3. Sa as LoA aspects LoB and LoC - so Sa delay is there. 4. This Sa delay gets over somewhere around september 1950. Since this period can be in Su antra or Ve antra, I may not be able to predict which antra he got married. I wonder how he remained married the second time round because this chart according to me shows unhappy married life. Maybe his wife's chart need to be comapared to his chart. Below in caps are the answers to some of your doubts. Thanks Prabha , " shalini3004 " <shalini3004 wrote: > > Dear Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji, I want to make clear the laws and apply them here, hopefully I am making some progress. Paul Newman January 26 1925 6:30 am Shaker Heights, OH 41N31, 81W33 I acquired the date and time form Light on Relationships book and location of birth and marriage date years from wikipedia. I cannot validate the authenticity of the birth data, hopefully with more practice. Paul Newman Married twice 1949 1st marriage, 1958 till death was second marriage he died September 2008. >>First thing I noticed was that Ju, Me, Ve are all in the 6L star venus (7th house focus). Venus and sun are less than 43 degrees apart, but more than three, so this is good. Saturn aspects Venus, Jupiter and Mercury, I think because venus is 6L Saturn's aspect does affect it's quality, is this right? Prabha: NO I DONT THINK Sa ASPECT WILL AFFECT Ve. BUT I THINK Ve ASPECT ON Sa IN D9 IS NOT GOOD FOR Sa. >>Ju, Me, Ve all three caste malefic aspects to 7H. From Lagna: 1L Ju and 7L Me =1/1 From Moon: 1L Sa and 7L Su=4/10 = 10 From Sun: 1L Sa and 7L Mo= 2/12 = D-9 Ju/Me=2/12 = Sa/Su= 2/12= Sa/Mo = 5/9=30 I am not sure the points that 1/1, 1/7 or 2/12 give (per lesson 10). Prabha: REFER Msg 8616. >> Saturn is in HA, LoC aspects LoB, therefore should be full delay. For D-9 chart there is a zero in 7H from Saturn. However, I think because Jupiter is present with LoB and LoC this could have moderated the delay (could this be right). Prabha: Ju ASPECT ON LoC DOESNT MATTER AND MODERATION OF Ju DELAY IS ONLY WHEN Ju ASPECTS Sa CONDITION BEING THAT Ju IS NOT IN THE SIGN/NAKSHATRA/NAVAMSHA OF Sa. ALSO Ju SHOULD NOT BE SPOILT BEING IN LIBRA EITHER IN D1 OR D9. >> His first marriage took place in 1949 at 24 years. In natal chart Saturn is 21.47 Libra and in 1949 the transit of Saturn was at 11.44 Leo. Prabha: REFER Msg 19891 IN WHICH ASHJI HAS CLEARLY MENTIONED HOW TO SEE Sa DELAY. >> First marriage took place in 1949, which is Jupiter MD and could be venus or sun antara. Points for the seventh house are low only Sun and Jupiter have high points. I just want to make sure if this is right; Jupiter gave marriage in its MD because: Jupiter is LoD is SD to Me, which is LoB and Ve LoC. Jupiter (I do not see at least) does not associate with LoA. Prabha: WE DO NOT SEE THE MAHADASHA LORD TO CALCULATE THE TIMING OF MARRIAGE. ONLY THE STATUS OF ANTARDASHA LORD IS TO BE SEEN. >> Now if we take Venus antara; Ve is LoC, with LoB and LoD, no relation to LoA. Unless we look at the position of Saturn in D-1 and Venus in D-9 both are in Libra. I believe this would make Venus SD to Saturn, Saturn is LoA, would this be right? Venus is also 6L. Prabha: Sa AND Ve CAN BE SD OF THE LOWEST DEGREE BUT FOR TIMING EVENT FOR MARRIAGE THERE NEED NOT BE ANY RELATION OF ANTARDASHA LORD TO LoA. >> Now we take Sun antara, Su is posted in HA, SD to Sa LoA. Sun could give marriage. Also, for 7H Jupiter and Sun have the only high points. Ve aspects HB and Su is in HA, therefore in their antaras they should not be able to give results, but their SD can or SD of LoD or LoE. Ve is SD to Ju LoD who has second highest points for the 7H. Su is SD to Sa and Ve, Sa is LoA in HC and Ve as stated above. I believe because Ve is SD to Jupiter who is LoD it could promise results in its anatara. Moreover, Ve is 6L and first marriage did break. Prabha: EVEN IF Ju HAD LESS POINTS IT WILL GIVE THE EVENT BEING LoD. EVEN Su COULD HAVE GIVEN MARRIAGE. IN THE ARCHIVES I HAVE READ THAT MARRIAGE CAN HAPPEN IN HIGHEST POINTS AND IF SECOND MARRIAGE IS PROMISED CAN BREAK IN LOWEST POINTS. > I do have a question I am shaky in my understanding of the 4/10 SD. In this chart Mars is with 4 points in Aries and Sun in Capricorn with 3 points, would they act as SD, or does Mars have to be more than 4 points? If not, then Jupiter/sun could give marriage as Jupiter is LoD and Mars is LoE and Jupiter/Sun have the highest points for the seventh house. Prabha: Ma BEING IN 4th FROM Su, Ma IS SD TO Su i.e. Ma CAN STAND-IN FOR Su AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. Ma BEING THE SUBORDINATE. HERE IN THIS CASE Ma WITH 4 POINTS MAY OR MAY NOT STAND FOR Su. > Since we know that first marriage broke, we can say venus antara gave marriage based on the above assessments? Prabha: Ve MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE GIVEN MARRIAGE. > Guru Ji wrote some possibilities for calculating if a chart could have two marriages: (msg.1074) One is if 7L is in a dual rashi with venus 7L =Me and in Sag. With Venus. Sight of Jupiter having more points on 7th house and Seventh Lord. More points of Jupiter more no. of marriages. Jupiter has 5 points. sight on 7H with 7L. More Planets with Venus, or related with Venus, More relation with opposite sex. If Jupiter checks such Venus then the relations are limited up to close Friendship only. And relation with only one wife continues. (I think Jupiter here maybe checked it to two marriages. However, I think 7L with 6L and all three planets in 6L star may have been reason for first break) If Venus and 7th lord in SAM navamansha (2,4,6,8, ....) and aspected by Saturn and Mars, indicates min 2 marriages. 7L=Me and Ve are in Libra navamsa, which is first house not the houses mentioned above in D-9 and 11H in D-1, however Saturn and mars do aspect. > To time second marriage do we take 2H as focus house in KAS, I ask because in other systems 2h is seen for second spouse, I believe. Prabha: FOR SECOND MARRIAGE ALSO 7th HOUSE IS THE FOCUS HOUSE > I look forward to all your guidance, and thank you in advance for your patience. > Shalini PS: I would appreciate the comments of seniors for any mistakes. 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Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Dear Prabha Ji, Thank you for your encouragement and guidance. I have just taken a quick skim as soon as I can I will look over all your points thoroughly. For Saturn delay looking at Ash Ji's post and applying it here (or trying to at least) I thought that at age 24 the delay was not yet over. Of course, I may not be calculating this correctly. Which is why I was looking for moderation for delay. Yes, it does seem either of the two antaras can give marriage. I was leaning towards Venus by virtue of being 6L and have less points for 7H. You are right after I seen his chart even I wondered how his second marriage fared. They also suffered a loos of a son through drug addiction. Thank you so much for your help. Shalini , " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya wrote: > > Dear Shalini Ji, > I am very happy to see that you are really taking sincere interest in learning this system. And you have shown tremendous improvement in the past 3-4 months. > > With the given data, assuming it to be correct, here is my analysis: > Paul Newman January 26 1925 6:30 am Shaker Heights, OH 41N31, 81W33 > Paul Newman Married twice 1949 1st marriage, 1958 till death was second marriage he died September 2008. > > In this chart there are few points to be noticed: > 1. Ve as 6L is a strong SD to Me and Ju with all three being in Ve Nakshatra. > 2. Difference of SAV between Lagna and 7H ie 29/18 is more. Not only that 7H is very less. > 3. Ve is malefically aspecting 7H. > 4. There is a rule which says that: In the place where 7L is situated, if Ve is there and gives more than 5 points, the person has much interest in sexual acts. > 5. LL/7L: Ju/Me 1:1 to be considered as 4:10; Mo L/7L: Sa/Su is in 4:10 position; Ve L/7L: Ju/Me 1:1 to be considered as 4:10 ---- Total 30 points. > 6. Ju is with Ve and also LL Ju and 9L Su are in 5:9 in D9 - so blessings are there. But this blessings is reduced as Ju is SD to 6L and Su is SD to 6L. > 7. All planets are benefic for the houses they reisde but aspect malefically. Except Su. > 8. All planets are being afflicted by 6L Ve. > > LoA: Sa; LoB: Me; LoC: Ve; LoD: Ju; LoE: Ma; RK: Su; 6L: Ve > 1. Sa as LoA is spoiled as Ve is aspecting it. > 2. RK Su is in HoA which is good but is also in 4th from Sa with 3 points. And therefore oppose Sa. > 3. Sa as LoA aspects LoB and LoC - so Sa delay is there. > 4. This Sa delay gets over somewhere around september 1950. > > Since this period can be in Su antra or Ve antra, I may not be able to predict which antra he got married. > I wonder how he remained married the second time round because this chart according to me shows unhappy married life. Maybe his wife's chart need to be comapared to his chart. > > Below in caps are the answers to some of your doubts. > Thanks > Prabha > , " shalini3004 " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji, > I want to make clear the laws and apply them here, hopefully I am making some progress. > Paul Newman January 26 1925 6:30 am Shaker Heights, OH 41N31, 81W33 > I acquired the date and time form Light on Relationships book and location of birth and marriage date years from wikipedia. I cannot validate the authenticity of the birth data, hopefully with more practice. > Paul Newman Married twice 1949 1st marriage, 1958 till death was second marriage he died September 2008. > >>First thing I noticed was that Ju, Me, Ve are all in the 6L star venus (7th house focus). Venus and sun are less than 43 degrees apart, but more than three, so this is good. Saturn aspects Venus, Jupiter and Mercury, I think because venus is 6L Saturn's aspect does affect it's quality, is this right? > Prabha: NO I DONT THINK Sa ASPECT WILL AFFECT Ve. BUT I THINK Ve ASPECT ON Sa IN D9 IS NOT GOOD FOR Sa. > > >>Ju, Me, Ve all three caste malefic aspects to 7H. > From Lagna: 1L Ju and 7L Me =1/1 > From Moon: 1L Sa and 7L Su=4/10 = 10 > From Sun: 1L Sa and 7L Mo= 2/12 = > D-9 > Ju/Me=2/12 = > Sa/Su= 2/12= > Sa/Mo = 5/9=30 > I am not sure the points that 1/1, 1/7 or 2/12 give (per lesson 10). > Prabha: REFER Msg 8616. > > >> Saturn is in HA, LoC aspects LoB, therefore should be full delay. For D-9 chart there is a zero in 7H from Saturn. However, I think because Jupiter is present with LoB and LoC this could have moderated the delay (could this be right). > Prabha: Ju ASPECT ON LoC DOESNT MATTER AND MODERATION OF Ju DELAY IS ONLY WHEN Ju ASPECTS Sa CONDITION BEING THAT Ju IS NOT IN THE SIGN/NAKSHATRA/NAVAMSHA OF Sa. ALSO Ju SHOULD NOT BE SPOILT BEING IN LIBRA EITHER IN D1 OR D9. > > >> His first marriage took place in 1949 at 24 years. In natal chart Saturn is 21.47 Libra and in 1949 the transit of Saturn was at 11.44 Leo. > Prabha: REFER Msg 19891 IN WHICH ASHJI HAS CLEARLY MENTIONED HOW TO SEE Sa DELAY. > > >> First marriage took place in 1949, which is Jupiter MD and could be venus or sun antara. Points for the seventh house are low only Sun and Jupiter have high points. > I just want to make sure if this is right; Jupiter gave marriage in its MD because: > Jupiter is LoD is SD to Me, which is LoB and Ve LoC. Jupiter (I do not see at least) does not associate with LoA. > Prabha: WE DO NOT SEE THE MAHADASHA LORD TO CALCULATE THE TIMING OF MARRIAGE. ONLY THE STATUS OF ANTARDASHA LORD IS TO BE SEEN. > > >> Now if we take Venus antara; Ve is LoC, with LoB and LoD, no relation to LoA. Unless we look at the position of Saturn in D-1 and Venus in D-9 both are in Libra. I believe this would make Venus SD to Saturn, Saturn is LoA, would this be right? Venus is also 6L. > Prabha: Sa AND Ve CAN BE SD OF THE LOWEST DEGREE BUT FOR TIMING EVENT FOR MARRIAGE THERE NEED NOT BE ANY RELATION OF ANTARDASHA LORD TO LoA. > > >> Now we take Sun antara, Su is posted in HA, SD to Sa LoA. Sun could give marriage. Also, for 7H Jupiter and Sun have the only high points. > Ve aspects HB and Su is in HA, therefore in their antaras they should not be able to give results, but their SD can or SD of LoD or LoE. > Ve is SD to Ju LoD who has second highest points for the 7H. Su is SD to Sa and Ve, Sa is LoA in HC and Ve as stated above. I believe because Ve is SD to Jupiter who is LoD it could promise results in its anatara. Moreover, Ve is 6L and first marriage did break. > Prabha: EVEN IF Ju HAD LESS POINTS IT WILL GIVE THE EVENT BEING LoD. EVEN Su COULD HAVE GIVEN MARRIAGE. IN THE ARCHIVES I HAVE READ THAT MARRIAGE CAN HAPPEN IN HIGHEST POINTS AND IF SECOND MARRIAGE IS PROMISED CAN BREAK IN LOWEST POINTS. > > > I do have a question I am shaky in my understanding of the 4/10 SD. In this chart Mars is with 4 points in Aries and Sun in Capricorn with 3 points, would they act as SD, or does Mars have to be more than 4 points? If not, then Jupiter/sun could give marriage as Jupiter is LoD and Mars is LoE and Jupiter/Sun have the highest points for the seventh house. > Prabha: Ma BEING IN 4th FROM Su, Ma IS SD TO Su i.e. Ma CAN STAND-IN FOR Su AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. Ma BEING THE SUBORDINATE. HERE IN THIS CASE Ma WITH 4 POINTS MAY OR MAY NOT STAND FOR Su. > > > Since we know that first marriage broke, we can say venus antara gave marriage based on the above assessments? > Prabha: Ve MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE GIVEN MARRIAGE. > > > Guru Ji wrote some possibilities for calculating if a chart could have two marriages: (msg.1074) > One is if 7L is in a dual rashi with venus > 7L =Me and in Sag. With Venus. > Sight of Jupiter having more points on 7th house and Seventh > Lord. More points of Jupiter more no. of marriages. > Jupiter has 5 points. sight on 7H with 7L. > More Planets with Venus, or related with Venus, More relation > with opposite sex. If Jupiter checks such Venus then the relations > are limited up to close Friendship only. And relation with only one > wife continues. > (I think Jupiter here maybe checked it to two marriages. However, I think 7L with 6L and all three planets in 6L star may have been reason for first break) > If Venus and 7th lord in SAM navamansha (2,4,6,8, ....) and > aspected by Saturn and Mars, indicates min 2 marriages. > 7L=Me and Ve are in Libra navamsa, which is first house not the houses mentioned above in D-9 and 11H in D-1, however Saturn and mars do aspect. > > > To time second marriage do we take 2H as focus house in KAS, I ask because in other systems 2h is seen for second spouse, I believe. > Prabha: FOR SECOND MARRIAGE ALSO 7th HOUSE IS THE FOCUS HOUSE > > > I look forward to all your guidance, and thank you in advance for your patience. > > Shalini > > PS: I would appreciate the comments of seniors for any mistakes. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Dear Prabha ji, Ash Ji, Anup ji Paul Newman's wife Joanne Woodward they married on January 29, 1958 His second her first Marriage she had a brief engagement to someone else prior to her marriage to Paul Newman. They together have three daughters. Her Birth Details are: BIRTHDATE: 27-Feb-1930 TIME: 4:0 DST: No KAS AYANAMSA: 21:58:59 PLACE: Thomasville Ga Time Zone: EST +05:00 Latitude: 33 N 41 Longitude: 84 W 20 His Birth Details are: NAME: PN BIRTHDATE: 26-Jan-1925 TIME: 6:30 DST: No KAS AYANAMSA: 21:54:40 PLACE: Cleveland Oh Time Zone: EST +05:00 Latitude: 41 N 31 Longitude: 81 W 33 In both charts Venus is not spoiled (I believe) in terms of being in arudra, kittika or any sun star, moola or jyestha nor is the distance of the sun affecting Venus (msg.# 8776). In both charts Saturn aspects Venus which enhance Venus in a good way, is this correct? In both charts 6L is Venus. Prabha ji, you had a very good point as to how the second marriage sustained after looking at her chart even her 7H is not so strong (I believe, senior members please guide me if my understanding is wrong). Per msg. #1696 Mutual attraction among two people are very strong when; 1. Female Mars is aspected by Male Rahu or Saturn His Rahu is in Cancer her mars in Capricorn, therefore his rahu aspects her mars. Moreover, in D-9 his rahu is in Capricorn. 2. Female Mars must be aspected by male venus. This point does not match 3. Sun and Moon connection. Both of their sun and moon are deposited by Saturn, Her sun and moon are in Aquarius and his moon is in Aquarius and sun is in Capricorn. 4. Female Saturn aspect or conjunct male venus (in another post cannot find where I wrote the number). Her Saturn when overlapping charts is in Sag. And his venus is also in Sag. Maybe a strong attraction/friendship kept the relationship from breaking. If such strong influences are there and say both charts did have spoilt Venus's by sun distance or star and having Saturn influence and luminary does this mitigate the bad affects of both charts such strong attraction/friendship per the points above? I hope senior members will help me understand the points more clearly. Sincerely, Shalini , " shalini3004 " <shalini3004 wrote: > > Dear Prabha Ji, > > Thank you for your encouragement and guidance. I have just taken a quick skim as soon as I can I will look over all your points thoroughly. > > For Saturn delay looking at Ash Ji's post and applying it here (or trying to at least) I thought that at age 24 the delay was not yet over. Of course, I may not be calculating this correctly. Which is why I was looking for moderation for delay. > > Yes, it does seem either of the two antaras can give marriage. I was leaning towards Venus by virtue of being 6L and have less points for 7H. > > You are right after I seen his chart even I wondered how his second marriage fared. They also suffered a loos of a son through drug addiction. > > Thank you so much for your help. > > Shalini > > , " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shalini Ji, > > I am very happy to see that you are really taking sincere interest in learning this system. And you have shown tremendous improvement in the past 3-4 months. > > > > With the given data, assuming it to be correct, here is my analysis: > > Paul Newman January 26 1925 6:30 am Shaker Heights, OH 41N31, 81W33 > > Paul Newman Married twice 1949 1st marriage, 1958 till death was second marriage he died September 2008. > > > > In this chart there are few points to be noticed: > > 1. Ve as 6L is a strong SD to Me and Ju with all three being in Ve Nakshatra. > > 2. Difference of SAV between Lagna and 7H ie 29/18 is more. Not only that 7H is very less. > > 3. Ve is malefically aspecting 7H. > > 4. There is a rule which says that: In the place where 7L is situated, if Ve is there and gives more than 5 points, the person has much interest in sexual acts. > > 5. LL/7L: Ju/Me 1:1 to be considered as 4:10; Mo L/7L: Sa/Su is in 4:10 position; Ve L/7L: Ju/Me 1:1 to be considered as 4:10 ---- Total 30 points. > > 6. Ju is with Ve and also LL Ju and 9L Su are in 5:9 in D9 - so blessings are there. But this blessings is reduced as Ju is SD to 6L and Su is SD to 6L. > > 7. All planets are benefic for the houses they reisde but aspect malefically. Except Su. > > 8. All planets are being afflicted by 6L Ve. > > > > LoA: Sa; LoB: Me; LoC: Ve; LoD: Ju; LoE: Ma; RK: Su; 6L: Ve > > 1. Sa as LoA is spoiled as Ve is aspecting it. > > 2. RK Su is in HoA which is good but is also in 4th from Sa with 3 points. And therefore oppose Sa. > > 3. Sa as LoA aspects LoB and LoC - so Sa delay is there. > > 4. This Sa delay gets over somewhere around september 1950. > > > > Since this period can be in Su antra or Ve antra, I may not be able to predict which antra he got married. > > I wonder how he remained married the second time round because this chart according to me shows unhappy married life. Maybe his wife's chart need to be comapared to his chart. > > > > Below in caps are the answers to some of your doubts. > > Thanks > > Prabha > > , " shalini3004 " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji, > > I want to make clear the laws and apply them here, hopefully I am making some progress. > > Paul Newman January 26 1925 6:30 am Shaker Heights, OH 41N31, 81W33 > > I acquired the date and time form Light on Relationships book and location of birth and marriage date years from wikipedia. I cannot validate the authenticity of the birth data, hopefully with more practice. > > Paul Newman Married twice 1949 1st marriage, 1958 till death was second marriage he died September 2008. > > >>First thing I noticed was that Ju, Me, Ve are all in the 6L star venus (7th house focus). Venus and sun are less than 43 degrees apart, but more than three, so this is good. Saturn aspects Venus, Jupiter and Mercury, I think because venus is 6L Saturn's aspect does affect it's quality, is this right? > > Prabha: NO I DONT THINK Sa ASPECT WILL AFFECT Ve. BUT I THINK Ve ASPECT ON Sa IN D9 IS NOT GOOD FOR Sa. > > > > >>Ju, Me, Ve all three caste malefic aspects to 7H. > > From Lagna: 1L Ju and 7L Me =1/1 > > From Moon: 1L Sa and 7L Su=4/10 = 10 > > From Sun: 1L Sa and 7L Mo= 2/12 = > > D-9 > > Ju/Me=2/12 = > > Sa/Su= 2/12= > > Sa/Mo = 5/9=30 > > I am not sure the points that 1/1, 1/7 or 2/12 give (per lesson 10). > > Prabha: REFER Msg 8616. > > > > >> Saturn is in HA, LoC aspects LoB, therefore should be full delay. For D-9 chart there is a zero in 7H from Saturn. However, I think because Jupiter is present with LoB and LoC this could have moderated the delay (could this be right). > > Prabha: Ju ASPECT ON LoC DOESNT MATTER AND MODERATION OF Ju DELAY IS ONLY WHEN Ju ASPECTS Sa CONDITION BEING THAT Ju IS NOT IN THE SIGN/NAKSHATRA/NAVAMSHA OF Sa. ALSO Ju SHOULD NOT BE SPOILT BEING IN LIBRA EITHER IN D1 OR D9. > > > > >> His first marriage took place in 1949 at 24 years. In natal chart Saturn is 21.47 Libra and in 1949 the transit of Saturn was at 11.44 Leo. > > Prabha: REFER Msg 19891 IN WHICH ASHJI HAS CLEARLY MENTIONED HOW TO SEE Sa DELAY. > > > > >> First marriage took place in 1949, which is Jupiter MD and could be venus or sun antara. Points for the seventh house are low only Sun and Jupiter have high points. > > I just want to make sure if this is right; Jupiter gave marriage in its MD because: > > Jupiter is LoD is SD to Me, which is LoB and Ve LoC. Jupiter (I do not see at least) does not associate with LoA. > > Prabha: WE DO NOT SEE THE MAHADASHA LORD TO CALCULATE THE TIMING OF MARRIAGE. ONLY THE STATUS OF ANTARDASHA LORD IS TO BE SEEN. > > > > >> Now if we take Venus antara; Ve is LoC, with LoB and LoD, no relation to LoA. Unless we look at the position of Saturn in D-1 and Venus in D-9 both are in Libra. I believe this would make Venus SD to Saturn, Saturn is LoA, would this be right? Venus is also 6L. > > Prabha: Sa AND Ve CAN BE SD OF THE LOWEST DEGREE BUT FOR TIMING EVENT FOR MARRIAGE THERE NEED NOT BE ANY RELATION OF ANTARDASHA LORD TO LoA. > > > > >> Now we take Sun antara, Su is posted in HA, SD to Sa LoA. Sun could give marriage. Also, for 7H Jupiter and Sun have the only high points. > > Ve aspects HB and Su is in HA, therefore in their antaras they should not be able to give results, but their SD can or SD of LoD or LoE. > > Ve is SD to Ju LoD who has second highest points for the 7H. Su is SD to Sa and Ve, Sa is LoA in HC and Ve as stated above. I believe because Ve is SD to Jupiter who is LoD it could promise results in its anatara. Moreover, Ve is 6L and first marriage did break. > > Prabha: EVEN IF Ju HAD LESS POINTS IT WILL GIVE THE EVENT BEING LoD. EVEN Su COULD HAVE GIVEN MARRIAGE. IN THE ARCHIVES I HAVE READ THAT MARRIAGE CAN HAPPEN IN HIGHEST POINTS AND IF SECOND MARRIAGE IS PROMISED CAN BREAK IN LOWEST POINTS. > > > > > I do have a question I am shaky in my understanding of the 4/10 SD. In this chart Mars is with 4 points in Aries and Sun in Capricorn with 3 points, would they act as SD, or does Mars have to be more than 4 points? If not, then Jupiter/sun could give marriage as Jupiter is LoD and Mars is LoE and Jupiter/Sun have the highest points for the seventh house. > > Prabha: Ma BEING IN 4th FROM Su, Ma IS SD TO Su i.e. Ma CAN STAND-IN FOR Su AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. Ma BEING THE SUBORDINATE. HERE IN THIS CASE Ma WITH 4 POINTS MAY OR MAY NOT STAND FOR Su. > > > > > Since we know that first marriage broke, we can say venus antara gave marriage based on the above assessments? > > Prabha: Ve MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE GIVEN MARRIAGE. > > > > > Guru Ji wrote some possibilities for calculating if a chart could have two marriages: (msg.1074) > > One is if 7L is in a dual rashi with venus > > 7L =Me and in Sag. With Venus. > > Sight of Jupiter having more points on 7th house and Seventh > > Lord. More points of Jupiter more no. of marriages. > > Jupiter has 5 points. sight on 7H with 7L. > > More Planets with Venus, or related with Venus, More relation > > with opposite sex. If Jupiter checks such Venus then the relations > > are limited up to close Friendship only. And relation with only one > > wife continues. > > (I think Jupiter here maybe checked it to two marriages. However, I think 7L with 6L and all three planets in 6L star may have been reason for first break) > > If Venus and 7th lord in SAM navamansha (2,4,6,8, ....) and > > aspected by Saturn and Mars, indicates min 2 marriages. > > 7L=Me and Ve are in Libra navamsa, which is first house not the houses mentioned above in D-9 and 11H in D-1, however Saturn and mars do aspect. > > > > > To time second marriage do we take 2H as focus house in KAS, I ask because in other systems 2h is seen for second spouse, I believe. > > Prabha: FOR SECOND MARRIAGE ALSO 7th HOUSE IS THE FOCUS HOUSE > > > > > I look forward to all your guidance, and thank you in advance for your patience. > > > Shalini > > > > PS: I would appreciate the comments of seniors for any mistakes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Dear Shalini ji You are seriously studying astrology and it truly shows in the questions you pose. KEEP IT UP! As regards to the points raised by you, last time I answered because of your enthusiasm. It is always better to study chart of people whose timing of events can be verified. Yes in this case(I have not studied but according to your analysis) since wife's chart is matching with husband's chart so though they would have had differences but due to the friendship stayed together. Shalini ji I would request you to take up any chart other than celebrity charts - as these datas are most of the time manipulated by people to suit their analysis. So what happens with such charts is we tend to match events with time instead of analysing that this time such an event would have/will happen. I think you understood what I want to convey. Thanks Prabha , " shalini3004 " <shalini3004 wrote: > > Dear Prabha ji, Ash Ji, Anup ji > > Paul Newman's wife Joanne Woodward they married on January 29, 1958 His second her first Marriage she had a brief engagement to someone else prior to her marriage to Paul Newman. They together have three daughters. > > Her Birth Details are: > > BIRTHDATE: 27-Feb-1930 > TIME: 4:0 DST: No > KAS AYANAMSA: 21:58:59 > > PLACE: Thomasville Ga > Time Zone: EST +05:00 > Latitude: 33 N 41 > Longitude: 84 W 20 > > His Birth Details are: > NAME: PN > BIRTHDATE: 26-Jan-1925 > TIME: 6:30 DST: No > KAS AYANAMSA: 21:54:40 > > PLACE: Cleveland Oh > Time Zone: EST +05:00 > Latitude: 41 N 31 > Longitude: 81 W 33 > > In both charts Venus is not spoiled (I believe) in terms of being in arudra, kittika or any sun star, moola or jyestha nor is the distance of the sun affecting Venus (msg.# 8776). In both charts Saturn aspects Venus which enhance Venus in a good way, is this correct? In both charts 6L is Venus. Prabha ji, you had a very good point as to how the second marriage sustained after looking at her chart even her 7H is not so strong (I believe, senior members please guide me if my understanding is wrong). > > Per msg. #1696 Mutual attraction among two people are very strong when; > > 1. Female Mars is aspected by Male Rahu or Saturn > > His Rahu is in Cancer her mars in Capricorn, therefore his rahu aspects her mars. Moreover, in D-9 his rahu is in Capricorn. > > 2. Female Mars must be aspected by male venus. > > This point does not match > > 3. Sun and Moon connection. > > Both of their sun and moon are deposited by Saturn, Her sun and moon are in Aquarius and his moon is in Aquarius and sun is in Capricorn. > > 4. Female Saturn aspect or conjunct male venus (in another post cannot find where I wrote the number). > Her Saturn when overlapping charts is in Sag. And his venus is also in Sag. > > Maybe a strong attraction/friendship kept the relationship from breaking. > > If such strong influences are there and say both charts did have spoilt Venus's by sun distance or star and having Saturn influence and luminary does this mitigate the bad affects of both charts such strong attraction/friendship per the points above? > > I hope senior members will help me understand the points more clearly. > > Sincerely, > > Shalini > > > , " shalini3004 " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prabha Ji, > > > > Thank you for your encouragement and guidance. I have just taken a quick skim as soon as I can I will look over all your points thoroughly. > > > > For Saturn delay looking at Ash Ji's post and applying it here (or trying to at least) I thought that at age 24 the delay was not yet over. Of course, I may not be calculating this correctly. Which is why I was looking for moderation for delay. > > > > Yes, it does seem either of the two antaras can give marriage. I was leaning towards Venus by virtue of being 6L and have less points for 7H. > > > > You are right after I seen his chart even I wondered how his second marriage fared. They also suffered a loos of a son through drug addiction. > > > > Thank you so much for your help. > > > > Shalini > > > > , " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shalini Ji, > > > I am very happy to see that you are really taking sincere interest in learning this system. And you have shown tremendous improvement in the past 3-4 months. > > > > > > With the given data, assuming it to be correct, here is my analysis: > > > Paul Newman January 26 1925 6:30 am Shaker Heights, OH 41N31, 81W33 > > > Paul Newman Married twice 1949 1st marriage, 1958 till death was second marriage he died September 2008. > > > > > > In this chart there are few points to be noticed: > > > 1. Ve as 6L is a strong SD to Me and Ju with all three being in Ve Nakshatra. > > > 2. Difference of SAV between Lagna and 7H ie 29/18 is more. Not only that 7H is very less. > > > 3. Ve is malefically aspecting 7H. > > > 4. There is a rule which says that: In the place where 7L is situated, if Ve is there and gives more than 5 points, the person has much interest in sexual acts. > > > 5. LL/7L: Ju/Me 1:1 to be considered as 4:10; Mo L/7L: Sa/Su is in 4:10 position; Ve L/7L: Ju/Me 1:1 to be considered as 4:10 ---- Total 30 points. > > > 6. Ju is with Ve and also LL Ju and 9L Su are in 5:9 in D9 - so blessings are there. But this blessings is reduced as Ju is SD to 6L and Su is SD to 6L. > > > 7. All planets are benefic for the houses they reisde but aspect malefically. Except Su. > > > 8. All planets are being afflicted by 6L Ve. > > > > > > LoA: Sa; LoB: Me; LoC: Ve; LoD: Ju; LoE: Ma; RK: Su; 6L: Ve > > > 1. Sa as LoA is spoiled as Ve is aspecting it. > > > 2. RK Su is in HoA which is good but is also in 4th from Sa with 3 points. And therefore oppose Sa. > > > 3. Sa as LoA aspects LoB and LoC - so Sa delay is there. > > > 4. This Sa delay gets over somewhere around september 1950. > > > > > > Since this period can be in Su antra or Ve antra, I may not be able to predict which antra he got married. > > > I wonder how he remained married the second time round because this chart according to me shows unhappy married life. Maybe his wife's chart need to be comapared to his chart. > > > > > > Below in caps are the answers to some of your doubts. > > > Thanks > > > Prabha > > > , " shalini3004 " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji, > > > I want to make clear the laws and apply them here, hopefully I am making some progress. > > > Paul Newman January 26 1925 6:30 am Shaker Heights, OH 41N31, 81W33 > > > I acquired the date and time form Light on Relationships book and location of birth and marriage date years from wikipedia. I cannot validate the authenticity of the birth data, hopefully with more practice. > > > Paul Newman Married twice 1949 1st marriage, 1958 till death was second marriage he died September 2008. > > > >>First thing I noticed was that Ju, Me, Ve are all in the 6L star venus (7th house focus). Venus and sun are less than 43 degrees apart, but more than three, so this is good. Saturn aspects Venus, Jupiter and Mercury, I think because venus is 6L Saturn's aspect does affect it's quality, is this right? > > > Prabha: NO I DONT THINK Sa ASPECT WILL AFFECT Ve. BUT I THINK Ve ASPECT ON Sa IN D9 IS NOT GOOD FOR Sa. > > > > > > >>Ju, Me, Ve all three caste malefic aspects to 7H. > > > From Lagna: 1L Ju and 7L Me =1/1 > > > From Moon: 1L Sa and 7L Su=4/10 = 10 > > > From Sun: 1L Sa and 7L Mo= 2/12 = > > > D-9 > > > Ju/Me=2/12 = > > > Sa/Su= 2/12= > > > Sa/Mo = 5/9=30 > > > I am not sure the points that 1/1, 1/7 or 2/12 give (per lesson 10). > > > Prabha: REFER Msg 8616. > > > > > > >> Saturn is in HA, LoC aspects LoB, therefore should be full delay. For D-9 chart there is a zero in 7H from Saturn. However, I think because Jupiter is present with LoB and LoC this could have moderated the delay (could this be right). > > > Prabha: Ju ASPECT ON LoC DOESNT MATTER AND MODERATION OF Ju DELAY IS ONLY WHEN Ju ASPECTS Sa CONDITION BEING THAT Ju IS NOT IN THE SIGN/NAKSHATRA/NAVAMSHA OF Sa. ALSO Ju SHOULD NOT BE SPOILT BEING IN LIBRA EITHER IN D1 OR D9. > > > > > > >> His first marriage took place in 1949 at 24 years. In natal chart Saturn is 21.47 Libra and in 1949 the transit of Saturn was at 11.44 Leo. > > > Prabha: REFER Msg 19891 IN WHICH ASHJI HAS CLEARLY MENTIONED HOW TO SEE Sa DELAY. > > > > > > >> First marriage took place in 1949, which is Jupiter MD and could be venus or sun antara. Points for the seventh house are low only Sun and Jupiter have high points. > > > I just want to make sure if this is right; Jupiter gave marriage in its MD because: > > > Jupiter is LoD is SD to Me, which is LoB and Ve LoC. Jupiter (I do not see at least) does not associate with LoA. > > > Prabha: WE DO NOT SEE THE MAHADASHA LORD TO CALCULATE THE TIMING OF MARRIAGE. ONLY THE STATUS OF ANTARDASHA LORD IS TO BE SEEN. > > > > > > >> Now if we take Venus antara; Ve is LoC, with LoB and LoD, no relation to LoA. Unless we look at the position of Saturn in D-1 and Venus in D-9 both are in Libra. I believe this would make Venus SD to Saturn, Saturn is LoA, would this be right? Venus is also 6L. > > > Prabha: Sa AND Ve CAN BE SD OF THE LOWEST DEGREE BUT FOR TIMING EVENT FOR MARRIAGE THERE NEED NOT BE ANY RELATION OF ANTARDASHA LORD TO LoA. > > > > > > >> Now we take Sun antara, Su is posted in HA, SD to Sa LoA. Sun could give marriage. Also, for 7H Jupiter and Sun have the only high points. > > > Ve aspects HB and Su is in HA, therefore in their antaras they should not be able to give results, but their SD can or SD of LoD or LoE. > > > Ve is SD to Ju LoD who has second highest points for the 7H. Su is SD to Sa and Ve, Sa is LoA in HC and Ve as stated above. I believe because Ve is SD to Jupiter who is LoD it could promise results in its anatara. Moreover, Ve is 6L and first marriage did break. > > > Prabha: EVEN IF Ju HAD LESS POINTS IT WILL GIVE THE EVENT BEING LoD. EVEN Su COULD HAVE GIVEN MARRIAGE. IN THE ARCHIVES I HAVE READ THAT MARRIAGE CAN HAPPEN IN HIGHEST POINTS AND IF SECOND MARRIAGE IS PROMISED CAN BREAK IN LOWEST POINTS. > > > > > > > I do have a question I am shaky in my understanding of the 4/10 SD. In this chart Mars is with 4 points in Aries and Sun in Capricorn with 3 points, would they act as SD, or does Mars have to be more than 4 points? If not, then Jupiter/sun could give marriage as Jupiter is LoD and Mars is LoE and Jupiter/Sun have the highest points for the seventh house. > > > Prabha: Ma BEING IN 4th FROM Su, Ma IS SD TO Su i.e. Ma CAN STAND-IN FOR Su AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. Ma BEING THE SUBORDINATE. HERE IN THIS CASE Ma WITH 4 POINTS MAY OR MAY NOT STAND FOR Su. > > > > > > > Since we know that first marriage broke, we can say venus antara gave marriage based on the above assessments? > > > Prabha: Ve MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE GIVEN MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > Guru Ji wrote some possibilities for calculating if a chart could have two marriages: (msg.1074) > > > One is if 7L is in a dual rashi with venus > > > 7L =Me and in Sag. With Venus. > > > Sight of Jupiter having more points on 7th house and Seventh > > > Lord. More points of Jupiter more no. of marriages. > > > Jupiter has 5 points. sight on 7H with 7L. > > > More Planets with Venus, or related with Venus, More relation > > > with opposite sex. If Jupiter checks such Venus then the relations > > > are limited up to close Friendship only. And relation with only one > > > wife continues. > > > (I think Jupiter here maybe checked it to two marriages. However, I think 7L with 6L and all three planets in 6L star may have been reason for first break) > > > If Venus and 7th lord in SAM navamansha (2,4,6,8, ....) and > > > aspected by Saturn and Mars, indicates min 2 marriages. > > > 7L=Me and Ve are in Libra navamsa, which is first house not the houses mentioned above in D-9 and 11H in D-1, however Saturn and mars do aspect. > > > > > > > To time second marriage do we take 2H as focus house in KAS, I ask because in other systems 2h is seen for second spouse, I believe. > > > Prabha: FOR SECOND MARRIAGE ALSO 7th HOUSE IS THE FOCUS HOUSE > > > > > > > I look forward to all your guidance, and thank you in advance for your patience. > > > > Shalini > > > > > > PS: I would appreciate the comments of seniors for any mistakes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Dear Prabha Ji, Thank you again for your encouragement. Yes, you are right to look into charts that are verified. Actually, I have this book and only wanted to apply the laws and as you said in two of them I found some incorrect data, but all the same it is interesting to apply the KAS Laws on them. I am currently looking at an interesting chart (of so many in the files) of three marriages and three divorces which Ash Ji had posted. I will have questions I am sure, but I want to just understand it a little more on my own before I post them. Thank You again for your patience and help. Sincerely, Shalini , " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya wrote: > > Dear Shalini ji > You are seriously studying astrology and it truly shows in the questions you pose. KEEP IT UP! > As regards to the points raised by you, last time I answered because of your enthusiasm. It is always better to study chart of people whose timing of events can be verified. Yes in this case(I have not studied but according to your analysis) since wife's chart is matching with husband's chart so though they would have had differences but due to the friendship stayed together. > Shalini ji I would request you to take up any chart other than celebrity charts - as these datas are most of the time manipulated by people to suit their analysis. So what happens with such charts is we tend to match events with time instead of analysing that this time such an event would have/will happen. I think you understood what I want to convey. > Thanks > Prabha > > , " shalini3004 " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prabha ji, Ash Ji, Anup ji > > > > Paul Newman's wife Joanne Woodward they married on January 29, 1958 His second her first Marriage she had a brief engagement to someone else prior to her marriage to Paul Newman. They together have three daughters. > > > > Her Birth Details are: > > > > BIRTHDATE: 27-Feb-1930 > > TIME: 4:0 DST: No > > KAS AYANAMSA: 21:58:59 > > > > PLACE: Thomasville Ga > > Time Zone: EST +05:00 > > Latitude: 33 N 41 > > Longitude: 84 W 20 > > > > His Birth Details are: > > NAME: PN > > BIRTHDATE: 26-Jan-1925 > > TIME: 6:30 DST: No > > KAS AYANAMSA: 21:54:40 > > > > PLACE: Cleveland Oh > > Time Zone: EST +05:00 > > Latitude: 41 N 31 > > Longitude: 81 W 33 > > > > In both charts Venus is not spoiled (I believe) in terms of being in arudra, kittika or any sun star, moola or jyestha nor is the distance of the sun affecting Venus (msg.# 8776). In both charts Saturn aspects Venus which enhance Venus in a good way, is this correct? In both charts 6L is Venus. Prabha ji, you had a very good point as to how the second marriage sustained after looking at her chart even her 7H is not so strong (I believe, senior members please guide me if my understanding is wrong). > > > > Per msg. #1696 Mutual attraction among two people are very strong when; > > > > 1. Female Mars is aspected by Male Rahu or Saturn > > > > His Rahu is in Cancer her mars in Capricorn, therefore his rahu aspects her mars. Moreover, in D-9 his rahu is in Capricorn. > > > > 2. Female Mars must be aspected by male venus. > > > > This point does not match > > > > 3. Sun and Moon connection. > > > > Both of their sun and moon are deposited by Saturn, Her sun and moon are in Aquarius and his moon is in Aquarius and sun is in Capricorn. > > > > 4. Female Saturn aspect or conjunct male venus (in another post cannot find where I wrote the number). > > Her Saturn when overlapping charts is in Sag. And his venus is also in Sag. > > > > Maybe a strong attraction/friendship kept the relationship from breaking. > > > > If such strong influences are there and say both charts did have spoilt Venus's by sun distance or star and having Saturn influence and luminary does this mitigate the bad affects of both charts such strong attraction/friendship per the points above? > > > > I hope senior members will help me understand the points more clearly. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Shalini > > > > > > , " shalini3004 " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabha Ji, > > > > > > Thank you for your encouragement and guidance. I have just taken a quick skim as soon as I can I will look over all your points thoroughly. > > > > > > For Saturn delay looking at Ash Ji's post and applying it here (or trying to at least) I thought that at age 24 the delay was not yet over. Of course, I may not be calculating this correctly. Which is why I was looking for moderation for delay. > > > > > > Yes, it does seem either of the two antaras can give marriage. I was leaning towards Venus by virtue of being 6L and have less points for 7H. > > > > > > You are right after I seen his chart even I wondered how his second marriage fared. They also suffered a loos of a son through drug addiction. > > > > > > Thank you so much for your help. > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > , " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shalini Ji, > > > > I am very happy to see that you are really taking sincere interest in learning this system. And you have shown tremendous improvement in the past 3-4 months. > > > > > > > > With the given data, assuming it to be correct, here is my analysis: > > > > Paul Newman January 26 1925 6:30 am Shaker Heights, OH 41N31, 81W33 > > > > Paul Newman Married twice 1949 1st marriage, 1958 till death was second marriage he died September 2008. > > > > > > > > In this chart there are few points to be noticed: > > > > 1. Ve as 6L is a strong SD to Me and Ju with all three being in Ve Nakshatra. > > > > 2. Difference of SAV between Lagna and 7H ie 29/18 is more. Not only that 7H is very less. > > > > 3. Ve is malefically aspecting 7H. > > > > 4. There is a rule which says that: In the place where 7L is situated, if Ve is there and gives more than 5 points, the person has much interest in sexual acts. > > > > 5. LL/7L: Ju/Me 1:1 to be considered as 4:10; Mo L/7L: Sa/Su is in 4:10 position; Ve L/7L: Ju/Me 1:1 to be considered as 4:10 ---- Total 30 points. > > > > 6. Ju is with Ve and also LL Ju and 9L Su are in 5:9 in D9 - so blessings are there. But this blessings is reduced as Ju is SD to 6L and Su is SD to 6L. > > > > 7. All planets are benefic for the houses they reisde but aspect malefically. Except Su. > > > > 8. All planets are being afflicted by 6L Ve. > > > > > > > > LoA: Sa; LoB: Me; LoC: Ve; LoD: Ju; LoE: Ma; RK: Su; 6L: Ve > > > > 1. Sa as LoA is spoiled as Ve is aspecting it. > > > > 2. RK Su is in HoA which is good but is also in 4th from Sa with 3 points. And therefore oppose Sa. > > > > 3. Sa as LoA aspects LoB and LoC - so Sa delay is there. > > > > 4. This Sa delay gets over somewhere around september 1950. > > > > > > > > Since this period can be in Su antra or Ve antra, I may not be able to predict which antra he got married. > > > > I wonder how he remained married the second time round because this chart according to me shows unhappy married life. Maybe his wife's chart need to be comapared to his chart. > > > > > > > > Below in caps are the answers to some of your doubts. > > > > Thanks > > > > Prabha > > > > , " shalini3004 " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji, > > > > I want to make clear the laws and apply them here, hopefully I am making some progress. > > > > Paul Newman January 26 1925 6:30 am Shaker Heights, OH 41N31, 81W33 > > > > I acquired the date and time form Light on Relationships book and location of birth and marriage date years from wikipedia. I cannot validate the authenticity of the birth data, hopefully with more practice. > > > > Paul Newman Married twice 1949 1st marriage, 1958 till death was second marriage he died September 2008. > > > > >>First thing I noticed was that Ju, Me, Ve are all in the 6L star venus (7th house focus). Venus and sun are less than 43 degrees apart, but more than three, so this is good. Saturn aspects Venus, Jupiter and Mercury, I think because venus is 6L Saturn's aspect does affect it's quality, is this right? > > > > Prabha: NO I DONT THINK Sa ASPECT WILL AFFECT Ve. BUT I THINK Ve ASPECT ON Sa IN D9 IS NOT GOOD FOR Sa. > > > > > > > > >>Ju, Me, Ve all three caste malefic aspects to 7H. > > > > From Lagna: 1L Ju and 7L Me =1/1 > > > > From Moon: 1L Sa and 7L Su=4/10 = 10 > > > > From Sun: 1L Sa and 7L Mo= 2/12 = > > > > D-9 > > > > Ju/Me=2/12 = > > > > Sa/Su= 2/12= > > > > Sa/Mo = 5/9=30 > > > > I am not sure the points that 1/1, 1/7 or 2/12 give (per lesson 10). > > > > Prabha: REFER Msg 8616. > > > > > > > > >> Saturn is in HA, LoC aspects LoB, therefore should be full delay. For D-9 chart there is a zero in 7H from Saturn. However, I think because Jupiter is present with LoB and LoC this could have moderated the delay (could this be right). > > > > Prabha: Ju ASPECT ON LoC DOESNT MATTER AND MODERATION OF Ju DELAY IS ONLY WHEN Ju ASPECTS Sa CONDITION BEING THAT Ju IS NOT IN THE SIGN/NAKSHATRA/NAVAMSHA OF Sa. ALSO Ju SHOULD NOT BE SPOILT BEING IN LIBRA EITHER IN D1 OR D9. > > > > > > > > >> His first marriage took place in 1949 at 24 years. In natal chart Saturn is 21.47 Libra and in 1949 the transit of Saturn was at 11.44 Leo. > > > > Prabha: REFER Msg 19891 IN WHICH ASHJI HAS CLEARLY MENTIONED HOW TO SEE Sa DELAY. > > > > > > > > >> First marriage took place in 1949, which is Jupiter MD and could be venus or sun antara. Points for the seventh house are low only Sun and Jupiter have high points. > > > > I just want to make sure if this is right; Jupiter gave marriage in its MD because: > > > > Jupiter is LoD is SD to Me, which is LoB and Ve LoC. Jupiter (I do not see at least) does not associate with LoA. > > > > Prabha: WE DO NOT SEE THE MAHADASHA LORD TO CALCULATE THE TIMING OF MARRIAGE. ONLY THE STATUS OF ANTARDASHA LORD IS TO BE SEEN. > > > > > > > > >> Now if we take Venus antara; Ve is LoC, with LoB and LoD, no relation to LoA. Unless we look at the position of Saturn in D-1 and Venus in D-9 both are in Libra. I believe this would make Venus SD to Saturn, Saturn is LoA, would this be right? Venus is also 6L. > > > > Prabha: Sa AND Ve CAN BE SD OF THE LOWEST DEGREE BUT FOR TIMING EVENT FOR MARRIAGE THERE NEED NOT BE ANY RELATION OF ANTARDASHA LORD TO LoA. > > > > > > > > >> Now we take Sun antara, Su is posted in HA, SD to Sa LoA. Sun could give marriage. Also, for 7H Jupiter and Sun have the only high points. > > > > Ve aspects HB and Su is in HA, therefore in their antaras they should not be able to give results, but their SD can or SD of LoD or LoE. > > > > Ve is SD to Ju LoD who has second highest points for the 7H. Su is SD to Sa and Ve, Sa is LoA in HC and Ve as stated above. I believe because Ve is SD to Jupiter who is LoD it could promise results in its anatara. Moreover, Ve is 6L and first marriage did break. > > > > Prabha: EVEN IF Ju HAD LESS POINTS IT WILL GIVE THE EVENT BEING LoD. EVEN Su COULD HAVE GIVEN MARRIAGE. IN THE ARCHIVES I HAVE READ THAT MARRIAGE CAN HAPPEN IN HIGHEST POINTS AND IF SECOND MARRIAGE IS PROMISED CAN BREAK IN LOWEST POINTS. > > > > > > > > > I do have a question I am shaky in my understanding of the 4/10 SD. In this chart Mars is with 4 points in Aries and Sun in Capricorn with 3 points, would they act as SD, or does Mars have to be more than 4 points? If not, then Jupiter/sun could give marriage as Jupiter is LoD and Mars is LoE and Jupiter/Sun have the highest points for the seventh house. > > > > Prabha: Ma BEING IN 4th FROM Su, Ma IS SD TO Su i.e. Ma CAN STAND-IN FOR Su AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. Ma BEING THE SUBORDINATE. HERE IN THIS CASE Ma WITH 4 POINTS MAY OR MAY NOT STAND FOR Su. > > > > > > > > > Since we know that first marriage broke, we can say venus antara gave marriage based on the above assessments? > > > > Prabha: Ve MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE GIVEN MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > Guru Ji wrote some possibilities for calculating if a chart could have two marriages: (msg.1074) > > > > One is if 7L is in a dual rashi with venus > > > > 7L =Me and in Sag. With Venus. > > > > Sight of Jupiter having more points on 7th house and Seventh > > > > Lord. More points of Jupiter more no. of marriages. > > > > Jupiter has 5 points. sight on 7H with 7L. > > > > More Planets with Venus, or related with Venus, More relation > > > > with opposite sex. If Jupiter checks such Venus then the relations > > > > are limited up to close Friendship only. And relation with only one > > > > wife continues. > > > > (I think Jupiter here maybe checked it to two marriages. However, I think 7L with 6L and all three planets in 6L star may have been reason for first break) > > > > If Venus and 7th lord in SAM navamansha (2,4,6,8, ....) and > > > > aspected by Saturn and Mars, indicates min 2 marriages. > > > > 7L=Me and Ve are in Libra navamsa, which is first house not the houses mentioned above in D-9 and 11H in D-1, however Saturn and mars do aspect. > > > > > > > > > To time second marriage do we take 2H as focus house in KAS, I ask because in other systems 2h is seen for second spouse, I believe. > > > > Prabha: FOR SECOND MARRIAGE ALSO 7th HOUSE IS THE FOCUS HOUSE > > > > > > > > > I look forward to all your guidance, and thank you in advance for your patience. > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > PS: I would appreciate the comments of seniors for any mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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