Diff between 1st and 2nd child birth timing?

March 27, 2009

Hi,

I am new to KAS and studying it at the moment.

I have 2 questions regarding Progeny?

1. Should one consider 7th house as a B house for 2nd child (being 3rd from

5th)? In Vedic astrology 7th house is considered to indicate 2nd child.

If not how is it that both children birth events are attached to the same 5th

house and hence the same LoD/LoE?

2. Should the timing for the progeny be evaluated for the date when child is

born or when the child is concieved (i.e. 9 months prior)?

Thanks

Samir.

March 27, 2009

Dear Samir,

In KAS we consider 5th house for child in a male chart and 11th house

along with 5th house in a female chart.

So these houses are fixed as house B for child birth.

The most prabable antra for the first child birth is in which marriage

happens.Now your question why same LoD or LoE we consider for

second child lies in the fact of difference of bhukti's length of different

planets.

The antra duration of sun ma be quite short say 3-6 months where as of Ve,

Sa or Ra is almost 2 to 3 years long. This is a hint and you can work on this.

Regarding your third part of of query, in KAS we take conception date

as birth time.

I hope this clarifies your doubts

Regards

Anup

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kurlakid <kurlakid Diff between 1st and 2nd child birth timing? Date: Friday, 27 March, 2009, 11:01 PM

Hi,I am new to KAS and studying it at the moment.I have 2 questions regarding Progeny?1. Should one consider 7th house as a B house for 2nd child (being 3rd from 5th)? In Vedic astrology 7th house is considered to indicate 2nd child.If not how is it that both children birth events are attached to the same 5th house and hence the same LoD/LoE?2. Should the timing for the progeny be evaluated for the date when child is born or when the child is concieved (i.e. 9 months prior)?ThanksSamir.

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March 29, 2009

Hello Anup,

Thanks for your answers.

I am studying the following chart where I am stuck for the 2nd child birth

event.

DOB: 15-MAR-1966

TOB: 10:30 AM

POB: Mumbai(18N58,72E50)

1st Child: Born May 2001

Dasha: (Mars-Jupiter both by birth date as well as conception date)

KAS Justification:

Main lord:

MA is FK for 5th House

Sub lord:

JU is NK for 5th,

JU has 12 or more points (25 points) as a significator for 5th house in

worksheet

JU is posited in D house for 5th as B house. Thus JU will offer results for B as

5th house.

This fits KAS.

BUT,

2nd Child: Born Dec 2007

Dasha: (Rahu-Rahu both by birth date as well as conception date)

RA is samdharmi to SU as a Nakshatra Lord. RA is in Taurus but VE is 6th Lord

and can not be Samadharmi as per rule. So RA is Samadharmi to SU.

Main Lord:

RA/SU is not NK or FK for 5th house.

Sub lord: RA/SU

SU has less than 12 points in worksheet for 5th house.

SU is not related to D or E house, neither by position nor by lordship for 5th

house as B.

NOW

If I consider RA samdharmi to JU as Navamsa Lord then it fits the KAS; but in

D9, JU is opposite to RA and so by rule JU can not be Samdharmi to RA by use of

D9.

So I can't seem to fit the results of 2nd child birth to KAS antardasha.

Your advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

Samir.

, " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

>

> Dear Samir,

>

> In KAS we consider 5th house for child in a male chart and 11th house

> along with 5th house in a female chart.

>

> So these houses are fixed as house B for child birth.

>

> The most prabable antra for the first child birth is in which marriage

> happens.Now your question why same LoD or LoE we consider for

> second child lies in the fact of difference of bhukti's length of different

> planets.

>

> The antra duration of sun ma be quite short say 3-6 months where as of Ve,

> Sa or Ra is almost 2 to 3 years long. This is a hint and you can work on this.

>

> Regarding your third part of of query, in KAS we take conception date

> as birth time.

>

> I hope this clarifies your doubts

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

> --- On Fri, 27/3/09, kurlakid <kurlakid wrote:

>

> kurlakid <kurlakid

> Diff between 1st and 2nd child birth

timing?

>

> Friday, 27 March, 2009, 11:01 PM

Hi,

>

> I am new to KAS and studying it at the moment.

> I have 2 questions regarding Progeny?

>

> 1. Should one consider 7th house as a B house for 2nd child (being 3rd from

5th)? In Vedic astrology 7th house is considered to indicate 2nd child.

>

> If not how is it that both children birth events are attached to the same 5th

house and hence the same LoD/LoE?

>

> 2. Should the timing for the progeny be evaluated for the date when child is

born or when the child is concieved (i.e. 9 months prior)?

>

> Thanks

> Samir.

>

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March 29, 2009

Dear Samir ji,

You are on the right track.

Just to clear your confusion,while going for antra of second child,

here Rahu is SD to Ve and Sun and Rahu is in Sa Navamsa.So

these three can represent Rahu.

If this chart belongs to a female (i presume) then Sun is there as LoE

in 11th house to give event for second child.But in 5th house Sun has less

than 12 points so this can indicates a female.

Regards

Anup

--- On Sun, 29/3/09, kurlakid <kurlakid wrote:

kurlakid <kurlakid Re: Diff between 1st and 2nd child birth timing? Date: Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 10:25 PM

Hello Anup,Thanks for your answers.I am studying the following chart where I am stuck for the 2nd child birth event.DOB: 15-MAR-1966TOB: 10:30 AMPOB: Mumbai(18N58, 72E50)1st Child: Born May 2001 Dasha: (Mars-Jupiter both by birth date as well as conception date)KAS Justification:Main lord:MA is FK for 5th HouseSub lord:JU is NK for 5th, JU has 12 or more points (25 points) as a significator for 5th house in worksheetJU is posited in D house for 5th as B house. Thus JU will offer results for B as 5th house.This fits KAS.BUT,2nd Child: Born Dec 2007 Dasha: (Rahu-Rahu both by birth date as well as conception date)RA is samdharmi to SU as a Nakshatra Lord. RA is in Taurus but VE is 6th Lord and can not be Samadharmi as per rule. So RA is Samadharmi to SU.Main Lord:RA/SU is not NK or FK for 5th house.Sub lord: RA/SU SU has less

than 12 points in worksheet for 5th house.SU is not related to D or E house, neither by position nor by lordship for 5th house as B.NOWIf I consider RA samdharmi to JU as Navamsa Lord then it fits the KAS; but in D9, JU is opposite to RA and so by rule JU can not be Samdharmi to RA by use of D9.So I can't seem to fit the results of 2nd child birth to KAS antardasha.Your advice would be appreciated.ThanksSamir.astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote:>> Dear Samir,> > In KAS we consider 5th house for child in a male chart and 11th house> along with 5th house in a female chart.> > So these

houses are fixed as house B for child birth.> > The most prabable antra for the first child birth is in which marriage> happens.Now your question why same LoD or LoE we consider for > second child lies in the fact of difference of bhukti's length of different > planets.> > The antra duration of sun ma be quite short say 3-6 months where as of Ve,> Sa or Ra is almost 2 to 3 years long. This is a hint and you can work on this.> > Regarding your third part of of query, in KAS we take conception date > as birth time.> > I hope this clarifies your doubts> > Regards> Anup> > > > --- On Fri, 27/3/09, kurlakid <kurlakid@.. .> wrote:> > > kurlakid <kurlakid@.. .>> Subject:

[astrologyandtiming events] Diff between 1st and 2nd child birth timing?> astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> Friday, 27 March, 2009, 11:01 PM> > > > > > > Hi,> > I am new to KAS and studying it at the moment.> I have 2 questions regarding Progeny?> > 1. Should one consider 7th house as a B house for 2nd child (being 3rd from 5th)? In Vedic astrology 7th house is considered to indicate 2nd child.> > If not how is it that both children birth events are attached to the same 5th house and hence the same LoD/LoE?> > 2. Should the timing for the progeny be evaluated for the date when child is born or when the child is concieved

(i.e. 9 months prior)?> > Thanks> Samir.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/>

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March 30, 2009

Dear Anup ji

Thanks for your valuable guidance. The chart is of a male.

1. I did not consider VE as SD to RA because it is a 6th lord in Rashi chart and

I read a rule in notes that 6th lord does not act as SD. Is that wrong?

2. RA being SD to SA, satisfies the antra for 2nd child. Thanks for pointing

that out.

Last question on this topic regarding JU and Progeny:

--------------------

If JU is a sublord and both NK as well as FK; but does not relate to D & E

houses by position or lordship, could it still give results for 5th house -

Progeny by virtue of being NK and FK?

In the chart below:

Chart: Male

DOB: 02-AUG-1972

TOB: 18:10 Hrs

POB: Mumbai(18N58, 72E50)

I think that the current RA-JU dasha should provide progeny results. JU is FK

being lord of 12th house as well as posited in 12th house(12th house being 8th

from 5th). Also JU is transiting Capricorn currently and aspecting 5th house.

You comments would be appreciated.

Thanks

Samir.

UK

, " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote:

>

> Dear Samir ji,

>

> You are on the right track.

>

> Just to clear your confusion,while going for antra of second child,

> here Rahu is SD to Ve and Sun and Rahu is in Sa Navamsa.So

> these three can represent Rahu.

>

> If this chart belongs to a female (i presume) then Sun is there as LoE

> in 11th house to give event for second child.But in 5th house Sun has less

> than 12 points so this can indicates a female.

>

> Regards

> Anup

>

> --- On Sun, 29/3/09, kurlakid <kurlakid wrote:

>

> kurlakid <kurlakid

> Re: Diff between 1st and 2nd child birth

timing?

>

> Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 10:25 PM

Hello Anup,

>

> Thanks for your answers.

> I am studying the following chart where I am stuck for the 2nd child birth

event.

>

> DOB: 15-MAR-1966

> TOB: 10:30 AM

> POB: Mumbai(18N58, 72E50)

>

> 1st Child: Born May 2001

> Dasha: (Mars-Jupiter both by birth date as well as conception date)

> KAS Justification:

> Main lord:

> MA is FK for 5th House

>

> Sub lord:

> JU is NK for 5th,

> JU has 12 or more points (25 points) as a significator for 5th house in

worksheet

> JU is posited in D house for 5th as B house. Thus JU will offer results for B

as 5th house.

>

> This fits KAS.

>

> BUT,

>

> 2nd Child: Born Dec 2007

> Dasha: (Rahu-Rahu both by birth date as well as conception date)

> RA is samdharmi to SU as a Nakshatra Lord. RA is in Taurus but VE is 6th Lord

and can not be Samadharmi as per rule. So RA is Samadharmi to SU.

>

> Main Lord:

> RA/SU is not NK or FK for 5th house.

>

> Sub lord: RA/SU

> SU has less than 12 points in worksheet for 5th house.

> SU is not related to D or E house, neither by position nor by lordship for 5th

house as B.

>

> NOW

> If I consider RA samdharmi to JU as Navamsa Lord then it fits the KAS; but in

D9, JU is opposite to RA and so by rule JU can not be Samdharmi to RA by use of

D9.

>

> So I can't seem to fit the results of 2nd child birth to KAS antardasha.

>

> Your advice would be appreciated.

>

> Thanks

> Samir.

> astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Samir,

> >

> > In KAS we consider 5th house for child in a male chart and 11th house

> > along with 5th house in a female chart.

> >

> > So these houses are fixed as house B for child birth.

> >

> > The most prabable antra for the first child birth is in which marriage

> > happens.Now your question why same LoD or LoE we consider for

> > second child lies in the fact of difference of bhukti's length of different

> > planets.

> >

> > The antra duration of sun ma be quite short say 3-6 months where as of Ve,

> > Sa or Ra is almost 2 to 3 years long. This is a hint and you can work on

this.

> >

> > Regarding your third part of of query, in KAS we take conception date

> > as birth time.

> >

> > I hope this clarifies your doubts

> >

> > Regards

> > Anup

> >

> > --- On Fri, 27/3/09, kurlakid <kurlakid@ .> wrote:

> >

> > kurlakid <kurlakid@ .>

> > [astrologyandtiming events] Diff between 1st and 2nd child birth

timing?

> > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com

> > Friday, 27 March, 2009, 11:01 PM

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am new to KAS and studying it at the moment.

> > I have 2 questions regarding Progeny?

> >

> > 1. Should one consider 7th house as a B house for 2nd child (being 3rd from

5th)? In Vedic astrology 7th house is considered to indicate 2nd child.

> >

> > If not how is it that both children birth events are attached to the same

5th house and hence the same LoD/LoE?

> >

> > 2. Should the timing for the progeny be evaluated for the date when child is

born or when the child is concieved (i.e. 9 months prior)?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Samir.

> >

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March 30, 2009

Dear Samir ji,

As per KAS rule Rahu and Ketu will be SD to sign and Nakshtra lord

give timing accordingly based on the points and status of the planet

they represent.

So sign lord could be 6th lord or some other planet,this have to

perform its duty to represent Rahu or Ketu by all means.

I would like to point out here that if previous chart was of a male

you should look for 5th house as B while assesing other houses

concerned.

The chart you have given is close one and needs validation of lagna

as it is close to borderline.Check Jup status and how it gains power

in all houses and emerges as second strongest in this chart.

Regards

Anup

--- On Mon, 30/3/09, kurlakid <kurlakid wrote:

kurlakid <kurlakid Re: Diff between 1st and 2nd child birth timing? Date: Monday, 30 March, 2009, 9:21 PM

Dear Anup jiThanks for your valuable guidance. The chart is of a male. 1. I did not consider VE as SD to RA because it is a 6th lord in Rashi chart and I read a rule in notes that 6th lord does not act as SD. Is that wrong?2. RA being SD to SA, satisfies the antra for 2nd child. Thanks for pointing that out.Last question on this topic regarding JU and Progeny:------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -----If JU is a sublord and both NK as well as FK; but does not relate to D & E houses by position or lordship, could it still give results for 5th house - Progeny by virtue of being NK and FK?In the chart below:Chart: MaleDOB: 02-AUG-1972TOB: 18:10 HrsPOB: Mumbai(18N58, 72E50)I think that the current RA-JU dasha should provide progeny results. JU is FK being lord of 12th house as well as posited in 12th house(12th house being 8th from 5th). Also JU is transiting

Capricorn currently and aspecting 5th house.You comments would be appreciated.ThanksSamir.UKastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote:>> Dear Samir ji,> > You are on the right track.> > Just to clear your confusion,while going for antra of second child,> here Rahu is SD to Ve and Sun and Rahu is in Sa Navamsa.So> these three can represent Rahu.> > If this chart belongs to a female (i presume) then Sun is there as LoE> in 11th house to give event for second child.But in 5th house Sun has less > than 12 points so this can indicates a female.> >

Regards> Anup> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 29/3/09, kurlakid <kurlakid@.. .> wrote:> > > kurlakid <kurlakid@.. .>> [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Diff between 1st and 2nd child birth timing?> astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 10:25 PM> > > > > > > Hello Anup,> > Thanks for your answers.> I am studying the following chart where I am stuck for the 2nd child birth

event.> > DOB: 15-MAR-1966> TOB: 10:30 AM> POB: Mumbai(18N58, 72E50)> > 1st Child: Born May 2001 > Dasha: (Mars-Jupiter both by birth date as well as conception date)> KAS Justification:> Main lord:> MA is FK for 5th House> > Sub lord:> JU is NK for 5th, > JU has 12 or more points (25 points) as a significator for 5th house in worksheet> JU is posited in D house for 5th as B house. Thus JU will offer results for B as 5th house.> > This fits KAS.> > BUT,> > 2nd Child: Born Dec 2007 > Dasha: (Rahu-Rahu both by birth date as well as conception date)> RA is samdharmi to SU as a Nakshatra Lord. RA is in Taurus but VE is 6th Lord and can not be Samadharmi as per rule. So RA is Samadharmi to SU.> > Main Lord:> RA/SU is not NK or FK for 5th house.> > Sub lord: RA/SU

> SU has less than 12 points in worksheet for 5th house.> SU is not related to D or E house, neither by position nor by lordship for 5th house as B.> > NOW> If I consider RA samdharmi to JU as Navamsa Lord then it fits the KAS; but in D9, JU is opposite to RA and so by rule JU can not be Samdharmi to RA by use of D9.> > So I can't seem to fit the results of 2nd child birth to KAS antardasha.> > Your advice would be appreciated.> > Thanks> Samir.> astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "Anup. M" <dalh_1@> wrote:> >> > Dear Samir,> > > > In KAS we consider 5th house for child in a male chart and 11th house> > along with 5th house in a female chart.> > > > So these houses are fixed as house B for child birth.> > > >

The most prabable antra for the first child birth is in which marriage> > happens.Now your question why same LoD or LoE we consider for > > second child lies in the fact of difference of bhukti's length of different > > planets.> > > > The antra duration of sun ma be quite short say 3-6 months where as of Ve,> > Sa or Ra is almost 2 to 3 years long. This is a hint and you can work on this.> > > > Regarding your third part of of query, in KAS we take conception date > > as birth time.> > > > I hope this clarifies your doubts> > > > Regards> > Anup> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 27/3/09, kurlakid <kurlakid@ .> wrote:> > > > > > kurlakid <kurlakid@

..>> > [astrologyandtiming events] Diff between 1st and 2nd child birth timing?> > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> > Friday, 27 March, 2009, 11:01 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,> > > > I am new to KAS and studying it at the moment.> > I have 2 questions regarding Progeny?> > > > 1. Should one consider 7th house as a B house for 2nd child (being 3rd from 5th)? In Vedic astrology 7th house is considered to indicate 2nd child.> > > > If not how is it that both children birth events are attached to the same 5th house and hence the same LoD/LoE?> > > > 2. Should the timing for the progeny be evaluated for the date when child is born or when the child is concieved (i.e. 9 months prior)?> > > > Thanks> >

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March 30, 2009

Dear Samir ji,

Also keep in mind that 6th lord is LoC for 2nd, LoA for

11th and LoB for 6th house

matters. It is LoD for 9th

and LoE for 1st house.

So for these house even in the program we add the value if 6th

lord is aspecting with benefic dristi. Please check H1 to H12 in the KAS

program and keenly study the same.

I think it will get clear.

Generally 6th lord and 6th house are

considered the worst house and most malefic house and opposite of that is the

12th house and its lord are considered most benefic.

For both the charts, Samir ji, please also give the date of marriage and some other

important events. If marriage has

taken place in lowest power planet then study of wife’s chart also is

important.

This chart is showing problems in marital life and maybe

separation as well. This also shows

delayed marriage. Please give more

details about this chart. With Sag lagna there is no direct delay.

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